Session 142: Alix & Ashtin Earle

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• 0:02Speaker 00

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• 0:41Speaker 01

  Why doesn't it? You guys, why don't you switch halfway?

• 0:46Speaker 02

  You don't have a bad side. Ashton.

• 0:52Speaker 02

  I can't.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  Just please, I can't hear about it this whole time. Please switch with her. Please.

• 0:57Speaker 02

  This is my therapist. Like, I'm gonna be talking to you like this the whole time. But like, if I'm talking like this.

• 1:05Speaker 03

  You look beautiful from this side.

• 1:07Speaker 01

  We gotta get going. Cheers.

• 1:10Speaker 02

  Cheers.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  Eyes. Cheers to Earl Meets World, out on Netflix September 4th. Eyes.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  Is our all-camera set? Is everyone good?

• 1:20Speaker 02

  Is everyone happy?

• 1:21Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:21Speaker 01

  Why don't we take a big sip?

• 1:23Speaker 02

  Okay. One, two, three.

• 1:29Speaker 01

  It's good.

• 1:30Speaker 02

  Delish.

• 1:31Speaker 01

  So how are you guys feeling?

• 1:32Speaker 03

  Chugging that.

• 1:33Speaker 01

  About Earl Meets World out soon. I watched the whole thing. Are you feeling better than you felt before watching it?

• 1:40Speaker 02

  I felt better once you watched it. And you were like, oh, I like it.

• 1:43Speaker 01

  I loved it.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  Well, thanks.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Is there anything like that you guys wish you spoke about more in Earl?

• 1:49Speaker 02

  Oh, so we're just getting right into it. Like, I didn't even get an introduction. Like, what happens? He's just like so spilt everything.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  Alex Earl, Ashton Earl. You guys don't need an introduction. Do you want one?

• 2:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  Alex and Ashton are two of the biggest influencers, soon-to-be-reality-stars in the world. With their new show, Earl Meets World, out on Netflix September 4th. It is eight episodes. And it follows around your family and your friends.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  I'm so excited.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  Are you feeling? Okay, so what made you feel better about it?

• 2:26Speaker 02

  I think, once I finally got to like, see the whole thing. And I was like, okay, it's coming out, it's happening. I don't know, I think like, I was so nervous about... It's just a different side. Like, you would agree, right? It's like, a different side than you would see of me online or on TikTok.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  It's very different, but it should be. If it was the same side of you online, then we'd have a problem.

• 2:45Speaker 02

  I know, but like, I'm scared for people to be like, oh my god, she's a bitch.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  I actually did not think you came off as a bitch at all. Did you think she came off as a bitch?

• 2:52Speaker 02

  I didn't watch it.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  In the moment where you like, think she's a bitch?

• 2:56Speaker 03

  Well, I always think Alex is a bitch. She's my sister.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:59Speaker 02

  But the thing is, like, you know what's crazy is, you, I think I had like... I just didn't know what filming a reality show was like before we actually started. Like, I had such a different idea in my head. I thought it was just like, I don't know, like, cameras rolling all the time, 24/7. Like, we were kind of fitting it into our schedule. Which I think I would do differently next time. Like, I think I would like, clear off three months and just only film.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  And be like, cameras up, 24/7.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  Because we were like, okay, we'll film this weekend, we'll film this weekend. So it was like, pretty jumpy. And in the beginning, I was so nervous. Like, I think the first, like, few episodes, I don't think I smiled or speak.

• 3:33Speaker 03

  I feel like I remember you, you were kind of awkward. And I was really surprised.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  I, every, I'm telling you, I'm the worst on the show. Like, everyone in my family shines, and I'm like, the worst.

• 3:43Speaker 01

  I don't think that's true at all.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  I was just so nervous in the beginning. Like, it was scary. And the first thing we filmed was, like, the breakup and moving out of Braxton's. And that was like, a really, really hard moment for me. And I was like, oh my god. And there's like, 10 camera people here staring at me like, sobbing and snorting. So that was like, it just took a second to get used to, I guess.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, but by the end, you were like, free crying.

• 4:07Speaker 03

  You were not scared to cry.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  I cried the whole season.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, but like, it felt, it felt to me, different than your content. A lot different.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  I know, that's what I'm scared about.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Wait, why? It should be the, in my mind, it should be the opposite. If it's the same, if it's the same thing as your content, then it, all it takes is for one person to turn it on and be like, well, I guess I could just watch it on TikTok.

• 4:26Speaker 02

  Right, but like, I'm just afraid of people hearing me like, complain and like...

• 4:30Speaker 03

  That's like, reality.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Whatever, I don't care.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  It's funny, it makes you relive everyone complains. How was Europe?

• 4:36Speaker 02

  That was the best two weeks of my life, I think.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Ugh, I know. I know, I know.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  I really needed that, as a reset. And I think we need to move there.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  I, Alex kept saying, you were at dinner the other night, Alex kept saying like, okay, like, we could do Italy. I'm like, Alex, you're not buying property in Italy.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  What if we did?

• 4:52Speaker 03

  I mean, Alex, the way you would call me at 7:00 AM, and you'd be at a party, and you're like, you have to come! Everyone's asking for you, every day. And I like, couldn't come.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  It's just better there. Everyone's better, the guys are better.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  The guys are better, aren't they?

• 5:04Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Like, they just don't make them like that here.

• 5:07Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 5:08Speaker 02

  Like, they're just more forward.

• 5:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, I feel like they're more like outgoing.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  They are more forward.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  Like, they don't care. Like, they are just, I just like how they...

• 5:17Speaker 03

  Like, guys here won't like, just go up to you and be like, you're beautiful. They like, want you to go.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, in Europe, it's like...

• 5:22Speaker 02

  They like, don't play games.

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're like, very beautiful girl.

• 5:25Speaker 02

  Sexy, fuck me.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you're like, alright.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  I wish that the cameras were up. I wish the cameras were up in Europe.

• 5:35Speaker 02

  Oh my god. I know.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh, it was so great, though. I mean, I like, had a really good time, I told you.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  I know.

• 5:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, you've had a good summer.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  You've had the, you've had a great summer. And you had, you had an unenjoyable summer last summer. Wait.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  What did I do last summer?

• 5:53Speaker 01

  No, no, no. Was it us that had a bad summer last summer?

• 5:56Speaker 03

  I didn't leave my bedroom last summer.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  Last summer was bad for us. I remember I called Ashton every day, being like, I hate my life. And Alex was like, you guys are so, like, all you do is complain.

• 6:03Speaker 03

  I would literally lay in bed every day, not move.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Oh, Ashton was depressed last summer.

• 6:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:07Speaker 02

  It's because we were having, we were having like, um, a come-down-from-brat summer.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  So that it was like, oof, like, this summer's just never gonna be that good.

• 6:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:16Speaker 02

  And then I completely outdid brat summer this summer.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  I know.

• 6:20Speaker 03

  I honestly had a great summer, too.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  You did.

• 6:22Speaker 03

  And I didn't even do Europe.

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Do you feel like you had a summer?

• 6:24Speaker 03

  Yes, you did.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  I felt like my summer kind of started and ended, like, at, well, okay. It was that, our Monaco weekend into the next week.

• 6:35Speaker 02

  I forgot about that.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  Best week of my life.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  I forgot that started our summer.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  That started our summer, which makes me feel a part of the summer in some way, because that did start it, and I was there for that. You would have had.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  I know, I missed out on a lot of trips this year.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  Ashton, what do you have to tell us about your summer?

• 6:50Speaker 03

  I've had a great summer.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, what do you have to tell us about your summer?

• 6:53Speaker 03

  Um, I feel like I've made a lot of new friends, and...

• 6:58Speaker 02

  Like, anyone in particular?

• 7:00Speaker 03

  No.

• 7:02Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  Every time I go to drink, I laugh.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  It's just hard, because it's like, you know what I will say is, I felt like, I made a lot of new friends this summer. A lot of new friends.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  I made a lot of friends.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  This was the summer of making new friends.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  I like, think I ventured out of my comfort zone. I feel like I got more social.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  You got way more social.

• 7:28Speaker 02

  I was...

• 7:28Speaker 03

  You've done a complete 180 this year.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  And I think because everyone was like, oh my god, every time I meet you, I think you are such a bitch. Because I don't speak, because I am afraid.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  You're shy.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  Like, I think when I meet people, like, they don't want to meet me, so I just like, don't...

• 7:41Speaker 01

  Wait, what do you mean by that?

• 7:43Speaker 02

  Like, I think when I'm meeting people, in my head, I'm like, they don't want to be talking to me. So then, I get awkward and don't say anything. But now I'm better.

• 7:51Speaker 01

  You're very, you, you're a shy person. I will say, when we first met, you, we weren't shy. You weren't shy. I went right up to your room, and we had the best night ever.

• 7:57Speaker 02

  Because you were having a panic attack, so I had to be like, okay.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Totally. What would your favorite, what would your favorite city you visited in Europe?

• 8:05Speaker 02

  Honestly, Sardinia was really pretty.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  It was beautiful there. Especially after we got out of Ibiza, which felt like, at the end of it, like a black hole.

• 8:14Speaker 03

  I mean, how long were you in Ibiza?

• 8:15Speaker 02

  Zombie land, eight days.

• 8:16Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 8:17Speaker 02

  I think that was not good.

• 8:18Speaker 03

  Did you go out every night?

• 8:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  One night, I took off, and it was like, I went on like, a little dinner date, but that was like, not partying. But then we did go do a party, but only for like, 30 minutes.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  Okay, is there anything on the show that you're like, I wish I did, I said this, I wish I didn't say this?

• 8:39Speaker 02

  Well, I think like, looking back now, even in some of my, because how we did our interviews, which is like the confessionals, we did it like throughout the season. And one, I just wish I like put on some like makeup and blew out my hair for them. They were like, we wanted to be like really chill, like you're like sitting on the couch, natural, and then I'm like, looking at it on the big screen and I'm like, oh my gosh, maybe not, but uh, we would film them throughout. So I think like, I could have been a little, maybe like a little bit more comfortable. I was more comfortable towards the end, I would say, but, you forget, and like in the moment, it feels so scary because you film a conversation for like an hour. So you think that everything is gonna be in there and like, you get out every single point and it's like, there's like,

• 9:21Speaker 02

  a minute or maybe two minutes of the conversation that actually makes it into the show. So I think that was also stressing me out too of like, I could not even possibly get all my points across if I wanted to, because it's like all gonna get cut out. Um, and even things that we filmed, like, there was, Braxton and I filmed this, which I told you about this before, but we filmed this um, like Valentine's Day campaign for Citmarg.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  I remember this. What happened to that?

• 9:48Speaker 02

  It just, it, we, he ended up not wanting to do it anymore after we did it. So we filmed the whole thing and we also like filmed, it for the show, like I was talking about it, it wasn't like done for the show, but.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  Was he mic'd up? Like, was he on the show?

• 10:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 10:04Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 10:05Speaker 02

  Um, but we were, doing this Valentine's Day campaign, which when Braxton and I broke up, we were like very amicable, very good, and we came up with this idea and I was like, this would be so fun and we're both investors in Citmarg and like, it'll be great. But basically the idea was like break up with bad margs and it looks like we're breaking up with each other, but we end up breaking up with the margs, whatever. It was like.

• 10:24Speaker 01

  So it's like a split screen and it's Alex and Braxton talking? And they're like, I just don't think this is working, I don't think this is da-da-da, I don't think blah-blah. And then you zoom out and.

• 10:37Speaker 02

  It's like, it looks like we were talking to each other, breaking up with each other, but when you zoom out, we're like not in the same booth. Like I'm talking to like a bad margarita and so is he. And it was just, it was all my idea and it was so phenomenal and then it, ended up not going through last minute, but that was something we filmed for the show of like, talking about like, behind the scenes after of like, oh my gosh, this isn't going live and what are we gonna do and now, like the Citmarg doesn't have anything to give her the screen. That didn't make it in the show.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  You guys fought a bunch on the show.

• 11:09Speaker 03

  Did we? Should I watch it? I'm like scared.

• 11:11Speaker 01

  Have you not?

• 11:12Speaker 03

  I'm too scared to watch it.

• 11:14Speaker 01

  You got in a fight about a few things?

• 11:16Speaker 02

  I'm about to fight her because she told me she was gonna bring me one of those shirts.

• 11:19Speaker 03

  Well, I made these shirts.

• 11:20Speaker 02

  She had another one that said no comment legally and I was gonna wear it. How good is that?

• 11:25Speaker 01

  Wait, it's cute, you're sisters.

• 11:28Speaker 03

  I wanted to have my own moment, sorry. So we fought a lot on the show?

• 11:31Speaker 01

  A little, like, you fought about her staying with you, then you fought about.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  When she leaked um.

• 11:42Speaker 01

  You fought when she leaked the real actives, which in the moment, I actually.

• 11:45Speaker 02

  I don't even wanna talk about it.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  Like, we could talk about it, but like, don't ask who's right or who's wrong, because I'm gonna freak out.

• 11:54Speaker 01

  You think you're right still?

• 11:56Speaker 02

  She thinks it's not that big of a deal.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  It was the full bottle.

• 11:59Speaker 02

  It wasn't. It was like half a second of me like, with the full bottle.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  Did anyone in the comments catch it?

• 12:04Speaker 03

  We caught it like in the first like two minutes. And she lost her bozongas on me. She screamed, you could have handled it more nicely.

• 12:12Speaker 02

  I couldn't have screamed, I was texting you.

• 12:14Speaker 03

  You were texting in all caps.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  I was about to say, when you um, pretend to look for another manager on the show with your dad, did he fully buy into that? Or did he like?

• 12:27Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  Because I could read it on his face that like he thought this was real.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  He was purple. I've never seen my dad that worried in his life.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  Are you nervous for the show to come out?

• 12:35Speaker 03

  I'm terrified.

• 12:36Speaker 02

  I was really nervous and now I've decided to just like let go and.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  Let go. It's happening, it's out.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  Like, it's already happening. What am I gonna do?

• 12:45Speaker 01

  Nothing.

• 12:45Speaker 03

  This is a good time for us to move to Europe, I think.

• 12:47Speaker 02

  That's what I said. We could go in September and go away for a while.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  No, what I think you should do is cameras up immediately.

• 12:55Speaker 03

  Cameras up for reactions.

• 12:56Speaker 01

  Like cameras up immediately now, because like the reaction to it is gonna be, interesting. You talk about a lot that you do not speak about online.

• 13:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I guess.

• 13:06Speaker 01

  You don't publicly say, anything about, like, you're, like, you'll be like, you'll say things like, I'm upset, I'm going through it, I broke up, but you don't, you really get into it on the show.

• 13:19Speaker 02

  I know, that's why it's scary. But we tried to just like trust the process a little bit. I mean, I don't know if I should say this either, but like when, we were filming and I was like hanging out with someone and they would like always like want me to like, talk about it. I do think like I can expose myself, but there's like a point when it comes to like other people that like, I don't wanna, expose their privacy.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  Are you nervous about that?

• 13:44Speaker 02

  Hmm, no.

• 13:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 13:46Speaker 03

  I feel like you were nervous about it.

• 13:47Speaker 02

  Now I'm like, like I should have just like spoke.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  In the moment, you were nervous, I do remember that.

• 13:52Speaker 03

  You were really nervous.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  But can I be honest, that's not really a big plot point of the show.

• 13:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:56Speaker 01

  A big plot point of the show is Braxton. Your breakup with him, moving on from him.

• 14:03Speaker 01

  You figuring out what you wanna do.

• 14:05Speaker 03

  I still don't know.

• 14:06Speaker 01

  You wanna model. I loved that storyline.

• 14:09Speaker 03

  Really?

• 14:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:10Speaker 03

  Was it like weird and crazy?

• 14:11Speaker 01

  No, it's what you wanted to do. It's what you want to do.

• 14:14Speaker 02

  I think it's so sweet. Like, you're so sweet in the show and I'm like, oh, Ashton.

• 14:19Speaker 03

  Weird and annoying and gross.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  Why? Why do you think that?

• 14:22Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 14:22Speaker 01

  Every single one of you is so concerned about how you come off in the show and it's really insane to me. Like Sally was freaking the fuck out.

• 14:31Speaker 02

  I don't know why Sally's freaking out.

• 14:32Speaker 03

  What Sally like in the show?

• 14:33Speaker 01

  Great, she's just your best friend.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  Quiet on the creek.

• 14:43Speaker 02

  Like, isn't that supposed to be a secret for the show?

• 14:45Speaker 03

  I think that's a secret.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Okay, that's a secret for the show. Sorry, bleep it, but.

• 14:48Speaker 03

  Cut it.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Keep the shh, because that was funny.

• 14:51Speaker 02

  I think going back and like looking back at the beginning of filming and it felt like I was always like in defense mode because, like I'm so used to having full control over like my content and what I put out and that's just like, how I've always done things. I don't even have anyone that helps me with like my socials. Like, I'd just like to do it all myself. And so I think like stepping into something else where I'm like, oh my gosh, like they have full control over all this stuff and I'm like putting, so much trust and intimate moments of my life, like in the hands of other people, felt so scary. So I felt like I was always like, on defense in the beginning and then I feel like you just have to kind of like, trust the process and let go and like that was something that happened with, the Alex Cooper stuff is like in the beginning, they were like, we wanna talk about this, like whatever.

• 15:34Speaker 02

  And I was like, I, I told production, I was like, I'm not talking about this at all. Like, first of all, it's irrelevant. That was like, a year or two ago at this point and I was just like, I'm not talking about it. I don't want to, like, there's no point in bringing this up. And then after Coachella, when everything like unfolded, it just like, happened to be a part of the moment of when we were filming. So I was like, I'm just gonna like, go for it and lean into it and I did, but I think like, I don't know, that's like also something that stresses me out a lot, that I'm like, I don't even wanna deal with it and like, I don't even care. I think it's just like, that is a tough, moment. I, I'm happy like we captured and we're able to like get the behind the scenes of all the feelings and stuff, but it's like.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  It's over.

• 16:14Speaker 03

  Jake, you're in the show, right?

• 16:15Speaker 01

  I'm in the show. I'm in the show at the Russian, Russian Center.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  Russian Center.

• 16:22Speaker 02

  That was crazy. Yeah, it just like got complicated. Was complicated, got more complicated. Wasn't like, just wasn't a good working relationship. I could put out new episodes, but they were still under unwell, so they were still like getting the monetization from that.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  And she couldn't like own her own episodes.

• 16:43Speaker 02

  Myself and they were in no rush really to hand it back to me because, they, they wanted me to like sign a.

• 16:51Speaker 01

  NDA.

• 16:52Speaker 02

  A like release agreement with, had an NDA, so we were working that out and it was just like a little, complicated of how we parted. So that's why I said, I was like, I'm not gonna say anything, I'm not gonna say that they dropped me, I'm just gonna like, keep my mouth quiet and I just said, I'm gonna start vlogging, like for right now. It was basically like a strike for my podcast. I was like, until we figure out how to do this and like, I don't wanna keep putting out episodes for you guys, even though the public thinks I'm not with you, which was like so confusing at the time. I was like, I'll just, basically go on strike and like do vlogs. So I made a post and was like, I'm gonna put my podcast on pause. I'm gonna do vlogs and all the comments went crazy of like, uh, Alex must have not given you something back, like yada, yada, yada.

• 17:38Speaker 02

  Matt texted me and was like, said something rude and then, and then Alex went on TikTok and was like, this is a lie, Alex owns all her whatever.

• 17:47Speaker 03

  I know, it was a story.

• 17:48Speaker 02

  All the rights to her thing. And then the next morning, they miraculously like handed everything back to me. And he had emailed me being like, we were trying to give this to you for weeks and it was like, okay, so.

• 18:02Speaker 03

  But honestly, your vlogs are so much better.

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I honestly hated the podcast.

• 18:07Speaker 03

  Remember when I had to do it with you? That was so bad.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  But it was like, I don't, I think it just like, I got into it from like just not the right, like I, you don't feel this way from your podcast, I felt drained. After like six months, I was like, oh my god, like, I feel like I'm exploiting every part of my life in like a way I don't want to and like even, like I was talking about like, other people and other things, just to have like a good story. And like, I was like, I don't know, like another like, part of my life I can share that like I felt like empty, like is the only way I could explain. I was like, I feel like I'm just like exposing myself to like, get some views on this and that was not like what I wanted. And then I also didn't really wanna interview people and I like suck at that, so I was like, that's not an option. And then I was like, Ashton, you're gonna podcast with me.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  And I did like talking and connecting with people and like when I did get to share like the vulnerable moments in my life, I loved it. But it just like started from such like, I just had the wrong mindset with it, like even going into it. Um, Alex was like, don't uh, get a boyfriend, Braxton. She was like, don't date him because like it's gonna be more entertaining to be single and, like podcast, so you could talk about your dating life and your sex life. And I was like, I don't want to talk about that online. So like dating, sure, but sex, no. And I just think I like, was taught maybe like not the best habits for it and like it just was like,

• 19:32Speaker 02

  wasn't a well-oiled machine in the beginning. There was just like a lot of, a lot of things, um.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  Well, I just remember you came to do my show for the first time and you saw Nolan and you said, who is that? And I said, well, Alex, that's my podcast producer.

• 19:46Speaker 02

  I said, I don't have one of those.

• 19:50Speaker 01

  What do you mean you don't have one of those? You said. What do you mean? Like, when I did Alex's podcast, she was like, we're like, literally like on the ground, screwing things in.

• 20:01Speaker 03

  With her cameras and microphones. She literally would like carry three microphones or cameras in a suitcase.

• 20:07Speaker 02

  I was giving them 50% to just hand me the cameras and do it.

• 20:11Speaker 03

  Even the setup I had in my room, I had to like set up all the cameras in my college bedroom.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I remember I went to Europe and I was there with like, I think it was like Josh Richards and Gabby, and I was like showing them like how I was lugging around this suitcase for my cameras. And they were like, what are you doing? I was like, really? Like, you don't do this? I was so confused.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  Cause does Barstool give Josh, like, do they like?

• 20:34Speaker 02

  I'm sure there's like a camera crew and a studio.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:38Speaker 02

  I'm tired of beating the goddamn dead horse. Like, I would like to move on.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  Let's move on.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  Let's move on.

• 20:44Speaker 01

  Should we cheers to moving on?

• 20:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  Cheers to moving on. Cheers to moving on.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  You have a crush.

• 20:55Speaker 03

  I'm having a little crush and I really like, like it.

• 20:58Speaker 01

  I like it too. I've never met them.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  I like it too, and it makes me sick to my stomach.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Really? What does it feel like to have a crush?

• 21:04Speaker 03

  It like, I'm having anxiety because I feel like I'm having a real crush.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  What is that? Why does that give you anxiety?

• 21:11Speaker 03

  Because that's scary.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  Because of?

• 21:15Speaker 03

  I like to be alone.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  You, really?

• 21:18Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. It's just easier that way.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  Why do you find that to be easier?

• 21:21Speaker 03

  Because like, then you can't get your feelings hurt. Like, I get like anxious.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  So it's a defense thing?

• 21:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  Okay, I understand that.

• 21:29Speaker 03

  You know, you get anxious, like, what if, I don't know, something happens and then I'm upset.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  Can I say how I view that? Like, I'm like, oh, great, I can relate to more sad music.

• 21:40Speaker 03

  True.

• 21:41Speaker 02

  Do you know, I, cause you know, I was never like?

• 21:44Speaker 01

  You were never a big Swifty.

• 21:46Speaker 02

  Okay, no, or just sad music in general. Like, I was like, turn it the fuck off. Like, I don't want to feel this way.

• 21:51Speaker 03

  Alex would yell at me every single day.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  All of a sudden now, it's like, if you go to my recently played, it's just like all the most depressing music you could find. And like, it was like Sienna Spiro. I'm like, oh.

• 22:00Speaker 03

  Thank God.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Pure.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  I love putting in my headphones, looking out the window, pretending like I'm in a movie.

• 22:07Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, isn't it the best?

• 22:09Speaker 02

  Yes, and I'm like, I feel sick to my stomach, like.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  Sad music makes me feel, have you heard the new, well, girl, we gotta get you there. Have you heard the new Phoebe Bridgers album?

• 22:19Speaker 03

  No, I've heard clips of it, of the one song.

• 22:22Speaker 01

  My God, Alex would actually love it.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  I don't know if she's ready for that. She might be.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  Cheers to that.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  There was a point this year where I was on All Too Well 10-minute version.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  Oh, that was a dark time for you.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  That was really bad.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  You had a dark time.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  Oh, and you know what's another thing about this show? That may have been like, I don't want to say like the darkest period of my life, cause that's a little dramatic, but like, that was the most like not like myself that I felt. And to the point where when we filmed and then we took like a month break or so, and then I came back and I filmed more like confessional stuff, the producers were like, huh? They were like, I've never seen you like this. Like, I've never seen you like so funny and giggly and whatever. Like, I'm telling you, like, I was like a sad, mean, angry little witch while we were filming. Like, I was, I was so stressed out.

• 23:12Speaker 03

  You didn't want to go out.

• 23:13Speaker 02

  I didn't want to go out. I didn't like anything. Like, I, I just wasn't happy. And so, yeah, great that we had cameras up.

• 23:21Speaker 03

  We also like started filming in January, and I remember the producers called me before we started filming. And they were like, so like, tell me about what's going on in your personal life. And I was like, I haven't like left the house in weeks. Like, I don't have a personal life.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  Don't make people like not want to watch.

• 23:37Speaker 03

  It's okay.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  No, the show was amazing, first of all, and my favorite episode, besides the one that I'm in, cause that one's a great one, is episode eight.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, episode eight is, I think I like episode seven.

• 23:50Speaker 01

  The final scene of episode eight, the entire room, when we were watching it, got up and screamed.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm so excited.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  It was just cinema.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  I can't even wa, like, it's also like, you know what's crazy about it is like, I'm watching it and I'm like, holy fuck, like, I'm so stressed out for her. Like, that was like, actually, like, there were so many moments during the show that I was like, I literally like don't want to be doing this in front of the cameras right now, but like, I'm just gonna like pull the trigger and do it. Like, that was so fucking scary. Like, that was, that was literally, like, you could see me like looking at the ceiling while I'm talking, like, I was so nervous. Oh, my God. And then the scene in, the scene in episode seven too, like, there was some times where I'm just like.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  What scene in episode seven?

• 24:34Speaker 02

  Um, between me, my mom and my sister, like, just like, there was some times where it was like, really, I was like, we just gotta rip the Band-Aid off and go here. But like, there was times where production was like, we'll step out of the house and we'll just give you guys a minute.

• 24:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, after that, they were like, okay, we're gonna give you guys a minute. And we're like.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  I was like, oh, so we're not bad.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, that was intense. I mean, I know you to be hysterical, but I thought this show showed you to be really funny.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  What?

• 24:59Speaker 01

  Alex, you know I think you're hysterical.

• 25:00Speaker 02

  I don't think I smiled once, the whole show.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, but like.

• 25:03Speaker 02

  Tell me, tell me throughout the season when you saw a smile on my face. No, yeah, you can't name one, one moment I smiled during the show.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  Wait, you do smile a few times.

• 25:12Speaker 03

  What about like when we were?

• 25:13Speaker 01

  You smile when you're with your sisters and your, and your younger brother.

• 25:17Speaker 02

  But like, I just don't think I was really myself, so I would like a second chance.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  Well, I actually think it was interesting the way you shift throughout the season, cause you started filming in January and you finished filming in what, May or June?

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, like May.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  That was a crazy period of growth in your career in general. So like, you can see that and it's fascinating to watch.

• 25:41Speaker 02

  No, I'm happy we have it captured. I would just would like, well, now I don't care. Like, I also feel like I was so stressed out about the concept of a show in the beginning and like I said, like letting go of that control. And now I think I've like, seen it, I've seen how it comes together, I understand it. Like, I just understand how it works a little more. You know, like, there were times where it's like, okay, like, you know, like, you guys really have to talk about this. And I'm like, I don't want to fucking talk about it. Like, we usually just sweep things under the rug in this household. Like, I don't want to talk about it. So in the moment, it felt really hard, but now I see like the beautiful thing and how it has all come together. So I like it a lot more now. Like, I like the process more now. I just was confused in the beginning.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  Like, you've got the basis out of the way.

• 26:25Speaker 03

  Like, that was like difficult at times.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  There's a Ryan Beatty lyric. Do you listen to Ryan Beatty?

• 26:30Speaker 03

  No.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  You would love him. And it says, let it, what? You would like, you would, you would like him. It's very sad. It's, that's the saddest it gets.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  He says, letting go of what you hold, holds you just the same. Okay, so let me break it down for you.

• 26:47Speaker 03

  An analysis.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  This is the second, the second time I've done this. So if.

• 26:51Speaker 02

  Letting go of what you hold.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  So I'm holding on to this, let's say I'm holding on to this like version of myself that I'm protecting and these things that I'm holding back. Once I let go of that and trust fall.

• 27:04Speaker 03

  Oh, like it'll.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  It'll hold you the same way that you were holding what you were grasping on so strongly to begin with.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  Why though?

• 27:12Speaker 01

  Because it's about not needing something to hold on to. Like, letting go of what you hold, holds you just the same, cause at the end of the day, like, you're still gonna be alive and breathing in your body, no matter the situation. Like, the circumstances might change. So like, no matter what changes around you, like, you can still control the way like you take care of yourself. I don't know, that's how I hear it.

• 27:35Speaker 03

  I feel like it's kind of like trusting the process. Alex is like, no.

• 27:39Speaker 01

  It's about trusting the process.

• 27:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  And I feel like holding on to your past like just holds you back in a way.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  That, that's it. Like, letting go of what you, letting go of what you hold, holds you just the same. Like, don't be worried that letting go of something that you think has kept you safe, you'll no longer be safe. This thing that you're letting go of, that you think is keeping you safe, you'll still be safe.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  Yes. I love it.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  Have you ever been like, I want a soda that's sour, but also sweet? Yeah, I bet you have. And you know who heard that request? Poppy. With only five grams of sugar, Poppy Sour Apple is quite simply one of the best sodas I've ever had in my entire life. If you know me, you know I love sour more than anything in the entire world. And sour can only last so long. You do need a kick of sweet in order to fully round out the experience. And Poppy Sour Apple does just that. It's refreshing, it's sour, it's sweet, and it's perfect for any season. I really do commend Poppy with how they've completely rebranded the soda industry. It's insane, it's insane what they've done.

• 28:55Speaker 01

  I always talk about this, but like literally a few years ago, like, I would go into bodegas in New York and I literally couldn't find Poppy's anywhere. Like, I couldn't find them on Uber Eats, I couldn't find them on Postmates, I couldn't find them anywhere. And now Poppy is everywhere because it is that good. They continue to raise the bar every time, and Sour Apple is no different. It is actually one of the best things I've ever had in my entire life. Like, a sour soda, my dream. Soda's back, but so much better. Poppy Sour Apple. Get it in your local store or on Amazon today.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  But are you happy overall with the show and how it came out?

• 29:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I think like I'm also happy all the episodes are dropping at once.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:36Speaker 02

  So you can get the like more well-rounded version than just like one episode at a time, I think, which stressed me out a little bit more. So I'm excited.

• 29:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I like that it's all coming out at the same day.

• 29:47Speaker 02

  Also, I'm really excited, like I truly am, for people to see like our family dynamic is definitely not normal. And I think like we're very comfortable with each other, but there's also still like a lot of problems that we have and stuff we need to work through. And I think like if I was younger, going through this divorce again with my parents, like I would have loved to see something like this and be like, wow, like there is either hope of where we can get to, or you can find like just something to relate to and like, okay, wow, like they still like fight like this. And like, I don't know, like I just, I think it would have been comforting to me. So I think that makes me feel really like secure in putting it out, even though I know it's gonna be like whatever people are gonna say. But I, I know that like I would have liked it if I was younger.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  I think that's what kind of made the Kardashians so big was that like people saw like, people were like, oh, I guess it's like normal to scream and fight with your family like this. Because like I remember, I remember when I was growing up, like, like my mom and dad are gonna kill me, but like we would scream, scream, scream and fight at each other all the time. And I lived in like this very suburban neighborhood where all these families were like having dinner together every single night. We didn't do that. Like, we don't have, we didn't have dinners together every single night. Like, it wasn't just like the normal family experience. So I think being able to watch something from someone that people look up to or want to be like, and have it not be a normal family experience is like reassuring. I think it's a beautiful way to look at it.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  And my mom is like dating and Todd and like, I don't know, it's just, I, I love it. So and I think like the little kids really do just bring such like levity to it all. Like, I love that like,

• 31:24Speaker 01

  Penelope!

• 31:25Speaker 02

  Thank God. They are seriously stars.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  They're stars.

• 31:29Speaker 03

  Wait, who's your favorite character in the show?

• 31:31Speaker 01

  Alyssa.

• 31:33Speaker 02

  Honestly, yeah. Alyssa kind of ate season one right up.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  She, I texted you and I said, Alyssa, that's my girl. Alyssa's my girl. She's just like, I don't know, I think she carries, she goes through life, she carries herself with such grace, she carries herself well.

• 31:48Speaker 02

  She's like funny, but like she doesn't try to be, she just is.

• 31:51Speaker 01

  She, you can, you can always tell when a person has a lot of love and they're not putting it on for the camera and that's just kind of who they are. And that's to your mom to me. And I also just like personally love your mom a lot.

• 32:01Speaker 03

  Oh, she's the best. She'll be so happy to hear that.

• 32:05Speaker 01

  I love you. Alyssa, I love you. She likes all my Instagram stories.

• 32:08Speaker 02

  Oh, she does that with everyone.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  Okay, well, she likes mine a lot.

• 32:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, she makes them feel special.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  Even like people, I'm like, Mom, you can't, like she's like liked comments before even like about like, she wouldn't, she likes everything. She liked comments that were mean about Ashley. And she was liking them. I'm like, Mom, you can't do this. Like, this is public that people can see you're liking this. And she was like, I didn't know. And I'm like, stop! Like, she's, she gets crazy with the double tap.

• 32:32Speaker 03

  She still likes all of Braxton's posts.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  Uh.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  Does she really?

• 32:36Speaker 03

  She still texts my ex-boyfriend from high school.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  She's like, she has too much love to give.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Can I say that that?

• 32:42Speaker 02

  She's filled with love and we love that about her.

• 32:45Speaker 01

  Are you nervous for Braxton to see the show?

• 32:48Speaker 02

  No.

• 32:49Speaker 01

  You just don't care?

• 32:49Speaker 02

  We had conversations like about everything that, like he knows everything that's in it. Because I told him, he knows everything that's in it. So, whatever.

• 32:59Speaker 01

  Nothing was malicious. It was your life.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  No. I said to him, I said, this is basically a brochure to date you. I said, you're fucking welcome. I was like, okay.

• 33:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, you do miss him a lot in the show.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  Right.

• 33:12Speaker 03

  Anyway, how's your love life?

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Mine? Uh, fine. Like, you know, it's not good. It's not not good. I've actually been focusing more on my friends.

• 33:22Speaker 03

  Good.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  I've been focusing more on my friends. I'm like, whatever, like lovers will come, lovers will go.

• 33:29Speaker 03

  Do you have a lover right now, Jake?

• 33:30Speaker 01

  No, I have no one. What are you talking, what are you laughing about?

• 33:36Speaker 02

  She asked me!

• 33:37Speaker 01

  No, she didn't. Okay.

• 33:44Speaker 01

  How's your love life, Alex?

• 33:47Speaker 02

  No, I've been talking too much.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  No, no, no. How was your love life?

• 33:50Speaker 02

  No, I was just...

• 33:51Speaker 01

  No, how's your, how's your love life? Please, how's your love life? How was your love life? How's your love life?

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Good. I just like, I, I don't like have a love. I'm just like, like I'm not like talking to anyone. But I'm like, um, talking to at least people.

• 34:13Speaker 03

  She's talking to multiple people.

• 34:15Speaker 02

  Like, there was a second there where I was like, this is getting scary. But now at least there's like, I've been like, whoa, okay, there's humans out there.

• 34:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  But like, it's kind of fun to not be like, I don't know, I, I'm so picky and not like needing to have a boyfriend. So it's just like, I actually think by like going out and like going on dates, it's so easy to write people off, is what I think. Like, I don't know, I'm so picky with stuff that like I can go out to dinner with a guy and be like, he did like three things I don't like. Like, I don't need to talk to him anymore.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  I mean, but in your defense, that one date you went on was the worst thing I've ever heard in my entire life.

• 34:53Speaker 02

  Well, that was like, that was out of control.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  What did he do again? He brought you to Starbucks?

• 34:58Speaker 02

  And he didn't have a plan for seven hours. So I got carsick and then we drove around in circles and then he asked me after seven hours of talking if I did OnlyFans. And I was like,

• 35:09Speaker 02

  okay, I guess you're not listening.

• 35:10Speaker 03

  Which also is Alex's worst nightmare, just like driving aimlessly, like listening to music down the beach. Her worst nightmare.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  Because for five, five hours, first of all, is not, like, I would like it with someone I liked, but he kept saying to me, I don't know what else to ask you. I was like, okay.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  Also, like, we're the type of person where it's like, we're, we're very similar in the sense that like, like the other day, even at dinner where it's like, everyone was like, why are you paying the check now? And you're like, no, I like that this happens. We just like, you like having a plan.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  I just like, also, that's my main attraction in a guy is a doer. Like, someone who can like just do it. Like, just get things done.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  I know.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  And so he was not, he was an undoer. He was not doing anything.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  What was everyone's favorite weekend of the summer?

• 36:00Speaker 02

  I mean, it has to be when we were in Monaco.

• 36:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was the best time of my life.

• 36:04Speaker 02

  Like, that was the best trip ever.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  I saw you open up in a way that I hadn't seen since the breakup.

• 36:12Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Like, you, you were solemn for a few months. You were sad, you were, and we, you talked about it with Stoss, but we went on that trip. We didn't bring a single plus one. It was you, me, Stoss and Stella. And it wasn't even about like guys, like there weren't, like that wasn't the focus of it. The focus of it was like, I, like, we're like conquering, we're having fun, like we're doing whatever. And I think with that, then the guys followed.

• 36:39Speaker 03

  I think, honestly, no offense to you.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  No, that's fine.

• 36:44Speaker 03

  But I think like Stoss really, you guys becoming friends was really, really good for you.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  I completely, a thousand, hundred percent agree.

• 36:52Speaker 03

  Changed, like you guys are such a dynamic duo. And it makes me so happy seeing you guys together. And I feel like she really like helped you out of your like weird phase you were in for so long.

• 37:02Speaker 01

  Well, because she doesn't let you, she doesn't let you be in that weird phase. Like, I remember when I got to Monaco, I was in my brace. And I was so upset about it. And she said, bitch, I went to the white party in a boot. And I said, okay, I guess, yeah. And then I was like, and she goes...

• 37:21Speaker 02

  Your fucking brace.

• 37:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, like she was like, she just doesn't, she's like...

• 37:25Speaker 03

  She's also like your type A boyfriend, because she handles everything and like always has a plan and always figures everything out.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  She's like a good mother.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  She's a good mother. She really brought it out of you in a really, really, really awesome way. And then when I left you guys.

• 37:37Speaker 02

  Then, uh...

• 37:38Speaker 01

  I was like, I was like, they're about to embark on the most beautiful summer of their lives.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  And they did.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, we had so much fun. That was fun.

• 37:48Speaker 03

  You guys are my favorite couple.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  I think like meeting new friends this summer was a really big thing for me.

• 37:53Speaker 01

  Me too. I met a lot of new people. I was in like Paris alone for two weeks.

• 37:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, how was that?

• 37:58Speaker 01

  It was, it was really fun. It was scary. I didn't like have friends. I met like Max, I met my new friend Emily. But we, this was the summer of like making new friends. And I think sometimes it's you and I, I think specifically.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  Relyed on our friends from college and then each other.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  Well, I always felt so, because I like to keep my circle close and small and like, once I have my friends, I'm like, I don't need to like go make new friends, but I think like I got too trapped in the mindset of feeling so comfortable that like I wasn't branching out and I became like a little antisocial, which you wouldn't think that I'm antisocial, but like, you know what it is too, is we're still so young and I don't know why I got in a mindset of like, I don't know, like we, we are settled in our ways or we're so like adults now and like everything. And I'm like, oh my gosh, we have so much life yet to live and like we can still make new friends and meet new people and go out with new groups and like nothing has to be set in its ways and I think that's beautiful.

• 39:02Speaker 01

  I think one part of the show that honestly really struck a chord with me was when you were talking to your dad about like you were like, I'm twenty five and I feel all like you, you've done all these incredible things, but you, I'm pretty sure you said you're like, you're like, I don't feel it. You know what I mean? Like you're, I think, tell me if I'm wrong, but you were feeling like the typical post grad is like you live in a city and you stay there and you make all these friends and you meet all these people and like you're traveling all the time and it was hard. But I think this summer you embrace that being a part of your life. And once you embrace that being a part of your life and being like, you're with me or like you can follow me and you can come with me and whoever comes into my life and come into my life. Once you embrace that, if that, am I making sense?

• 39:47Speaker 03

  No, I feel like you really like lived for yourself this summer and I feel like your whole career, you've kind of lived for what you're doing. And like you're being a little selfish and not caring about.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I'm still like all my friends.

• 40:00Speaker 03

  Oh, no, of course. No, I'm not saying about.

• 40:04Speaker 03

  I'm not saying about your friends. I'm saying about like.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  You're a phenomenal friend. You're both amazing friends.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  You're a great friend too. I always say that about you. I'm like, you are such like a loyal friend and it's so hard to find. And I can't believe I found you so early on.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  It was fate. I mean, it was really fate because I, I'll never ever forget it. Uh, we were in Alex's bathroom in LA and she looked at me a year and a half ago and goes, bitch, you need to grow thicker skin. She goes, if you actually want to do this, like I can't hear about this anymore. And it wasn't in like a, like in a, in a angry way. She was like, you need to grow thicker skin.

• 40:42Speaker 02

  Right. I mean, at some point you need to just like let go of what everyone is gonna have an opinion on something and that's like what we're here for.

• 40:51Speaker 03

  Can't make everyone happy.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  But also if no one has an opinion on you, are you doing your job right?

• 40:56Speaker 02

  Right. I guess not.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:00Speaker 01

  And it's like, even like, people have an opinion on everything. You made a new friend and the, I mean, the discourse online about you making a new friend was insane. And as someone who was there to witness the new friendship be made, it was just, it couldn't have been further from the truth. Like, that's Stoss's humor. That's what makes Stoss, Stoss. It's like her witty little, like that's why we love her.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  I also just don't get the thing when people are like, you guys are mean to each other or like with, with any friend though, I'm like, do you want to joke around with your friends?

• 41:31Speaker 01

  No, it's very strange.

• 41:32Speaker 02

  Like, I feel like you're not friends with someone if you can't like fuck around with them.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  When I talked to Peyton, she's like screaming at me and I'm like laughing and it's like, that's my best friend. Because that's what friendship is. Is that not what friendship is?

• 41:45Speaker 03

  No, it is. That's why me and Alex are like the closest.

• 41:47Speaker 02

  I think you're just like explaining it like a little aggressively.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  The horoscopes! Let's read our horoscopes.

• 41:58Speaker 02

  Like CoStar?

• 41:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 42:00Speaker 03

  Well, you don't have CoStar.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  I have this app called.

• 42:02Speaker 02

  Do you guys know yesterday it told me like it's okay to love multiple people at once? And I was like, fuck, yeah.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  I'll go first. And I honestly, I've been using this app that I think that you guys might like more than CoStar.

• 42:13Speaker 03

  Sometimes I feel like CoStar is just like.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  Come on, guys.

• 42:18Speaker 01

  It's called Shane, but it's, it's really, really good.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  How do you spell that?

• 42:21Speaker 01

  C H A N I. Okay, ready?

• 42:26Speaker 01

  You guys, this is why I'm telling you this app's the best. You seem to have, you seem to have a take on every topic and your words carry extra weight today. So by all means, use them. Just don't forget to follow through. Translate all that talk into practical action. The smaller and more sustainable, the better. Your big ideas hit even harder when you act on them. And I'm like, you know, I've been talking to you about stuff that I've been working on and they like seem small, but they become big once you take action on them.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  Take that action.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  I will. What's yours? Or who wants to go next?

• 42:59Speaker 03

  I'll go. Okay. Desire creates the future. Stop waiting for conditions to be perfect before you make your move. The thing you've been putting off can actually be started today with whatever resources you have right now. Motion creates momentum. Do eye on the prize, full stops, see it through. Don't cold war, fisty cuffs and downplaying. Is that telling me my bracelets are ugly?

• 43:23Speaker 01

  No. That's telling you as someone who's now watched the show, that I think you should really pursue modeling.

• 43:32Speaker 02

  I think so too. And there was something today happened and she was like nervous about it and I was like, I think you should do it.

• 43:38Speaker 01

  I mean, like you, that's telling you like, you're waiting for the condition to be the perfect show or the perfect this or the perfect that. If you just fucking do it, that's all that matters.

• 43:48Speaker 03

  Right, I'm gonna do it.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  Do it.

• 43:50Speaker 02

  Okay. You can be the warm light that pours over everyone you love. Your natural warmth draws people close, but not everyone who basks in your glow will return favor when you need it. Stop performing happiness for those who disappear when you're having a rough day. Do big tips,

• 44:07Speaker 02

  soft focus, hydration, don't over stain opportunism, name drop. Well, damn.

• 44:17Speaker 02

  Fuck. Okay, so cut the whole episode.

• 44:23Speaker 01

  We didn't name drop.

• 44:24Speaker 03

  No, we definitely did.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  We talked shit. I don't think that's name dropping.

• 44:28Speaker 02

  We definitely.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  You could have name dropped a lot more than you have.

• 44:31Speaker 02

  Okay, so I've been good.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  You've been great.

• 44:33Speaker 03

  Oh, I really liked that one for you.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was beautiful. There's always gonna be people like that that like bask in your, the glow that you create. And they will leave you on a moment's notice.

• 44:43Speaker 03

  And that's why for a while we were like, no new friends, no new friends.

• 44:46Speaker 02

  That's what we always said. We always say no new friends, but now we're like making new friends, but like with a caution. Yeah.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  I think it's all about learning how to make new friends. I think, okay, I think.

• 44:57Speaker 02

  You know what?

• 44:58Speaker 01

  You.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  No.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  You.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  I was gonna say you can, I think something I've struggled with and I've learned from my mistakes is when I meet people, I tell them every single detail of my life and I tell them everything and I like open up a million percent like, I've realized now you can like meet people without like exploiting every single thing in your life. Like, I've gotta stop doing that.

• 45:20Speaker 03

  But you can have so many friends that like don't actually know.

• 45:22Speaker 02

  When I meet someone, I'm like, I want to tell you everything.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  But also, like, I think we're accustomed to the college way of making friends because we all went to college. And we, making friends in college is very much like, we went out this weekend, we've spent the whole week together, we have class together, we're best friends. That's not how it works in the real world. You have to like, uh, hang out with like purpose. Like you have to like be, you have to like purposefully make plans with people and the people that kind of just like are suddenly there all the time, maybe aren't the best people. Like you both have, is what I'm saying making sense? Oh, you know what I'm really realizing right now? How lucky I am to have you guys.

• 46:07Speaker 03

  I'm so lucky to have you guys.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  I really am. Like, I really feel that way. Like, I don't know what I would do without you guys. I really don't. There's no.

• 46:15Speaker 02

  I don't know what I would do without you. I mean, you too, but like.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  But there are certain situations that I'm like, I don't know who's in the world is gonna relate to this besides you.

• 46:23Speaker 02

  No, seriously.

• 46:25Speaker 01

  I'm like, there's no one else I can speak to right now.

• 46:27Speaker 02

  No. We have had like a very similar career, upcoming trajectory and like, I think like it's so nice to have you by my side and just but beyond that, as like a friend in general, like you just, I don't know. Honestly, you make me feel better because you're always stressed out about something.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  Oh, I know. But I'm, but like when, when I like go through something, you're right. Like we, we came up kind of at a similar times and we're doing different things, but our, the audience we're presenting to are very similar. So there, there's no one else in this world that I can call and be like, how do you deal with this? Because the only person that knows how to deal with this is her.

• 47:10Speaker 03

  Jake.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  It's true. It's how I feel. Like I need to call Alex. She's the only person who will understand.

• 47:16Speaker 03

  I love you.

• 47:17Speaker 01

  I love you more than I love you. Sorry, I just hit you.

• 47:20Speaker 02

  Bitch.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  Well, what are you guys therapist about today?

• 47:25Speaker 03

  I'm therapist about Alex taking that seat because she wanted her good side on camera and now my bad side is facing the camera. Okay, but like every time we do something, you always.

• 47:35Speaker 01

  Is it every time?

• 47:35Speaker 03

  Every time we take a picture, every time we do anything, she needs the goods.

• 47:38Speaker 02

  You're beautiful on both.

• 47:40Speaker 03

  Nope, you're beautiful on both.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  No.

• 47:41Speaker 03

  And that's what pisses me off.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  I think you're more beautiful, which is why I offer you the other side.

• 47:45Speaker 03

  Alex.

• 47:46Speaker 02

  I'm not kidding. That is truth. I don't think she has a bad side like I have a bad side.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  You don't have a bad side. My bad side is like.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 47:55Speaker 03

  I look like a gremlin.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  No. I, I truly see so much beauty in you, which is why I allow you to have both sides. I promise, like, I swear, I swear. Okay, well.

• 48:09Speaker 03

  What are you therapist about?

• 48:10Speaker 02

  I was therapist about the shirt, but I don't want to like also attack you.

• 48:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, you look really cute.

• 48:16Speaker 01

  What is that shirt?

• 48:16Speaker 02

  Really? I feel like I look like I'm from That 70's Show.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm therapist that you both are like being weird about coming out tonight.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  Wait, when did I ever say I wasn't going out tonight?

• 48:26Speaker 01

  Today. I said, are you coming out tonight? You said, I don't know.

• 48:29Speaker 02

  When?

• 48:30Speaker 01

  Right when you walked in.

• 48:31Speaker 02

  I probably wasn't listening.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  Do you want to come out tonight?

• 48:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  Let's go out, let's black out. I have to go to Germany tomorrow. Like, please, my flight's at 3pm. I can black out till the world's.

• 48:41Speaker 03

  Okay, well, I have a birthday party with Sally, but maybe we'll meet you after.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  What about Alex?

• 48:45Speaker 02

  Well, right, the both of them are invited and not me.

• 48:47Speaker 03

  I think if she knew you were in New York, you would be invited. I think she only texted me and Sally because she knows we live here.

• 48:54Speaker 02

  I'm therapist about that.

• 48:55Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  This is a theme with you.

• 48:57Speaker 02

  What?

• 48:57Speaker 01

  That you're never invited to the stuff that.

• 48:59Speaker 03

  Cause you're never around.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  But it's the thought that counts.

• 49:03Speaker 02

  Right. So here's something that happened on the show that you don't know.

• 49:06Speaker 03

  I cannot talk about this. I cannot talk about it.

• 49:09Speaker 02

  Me, I'm in New York staying at her apartment. She doesn't think to be like, oh, me and Sally are going to this thing tonight. Come. She's just like, we're going, you're never here. So like, they didn't think to invite you. Yeah, but like, you know, I'm here, so invite me.

• 49:20Speaker 03

  It's not my birthday.

• 49:22Speaker 02

  I'm friends with her.

• 49:23Speaker 03

  Should I say Alex is here? Can she come?

• 49:25Speaker 02

  I don't want to go. This is what I mean.

• 49:29Speaker 03

  I knew you wouldn't want to go either.

• 49:31Speaker 02

  What am I therapist about?

• 49:34Speaker 02

  Maddie, do you know?

• 49:35Speaker 01

  God, I love Maddie. When Maddie enter, when Maddie entered your life, things shifted in a very, very good way. Yes, Maddie, you are, you are an un, Maddie, you are an unsung hero. Like, if I need to, if I need help with something, like, I go, I do go to Maddie.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  What's the best about Maddie is like, she always is like, it's just like fun because we're like, you know, like the same age and girls, but like, she always is like, whenever I tell her anything about a guy, she's like, go do it. Like, she like encourages like the worst behavior in the best way, but like, it's so fun.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  How was the white party this year?

• 50:11Speaker 02

  So much fun. Like, honestly, I had the best night ever. And that was a night, I was again, being like often very social and like making new friends with people and it was, it's just such a long party, you know, it starts at 5:00 and then it goes until 5:00 in the morning. So like, it's, there's like a lot of room for error. Um, and it's, it's so fun, though.

• 50:32Speaker 03

  That was like what started my summer, I think. I was like really in a dark place.

• 50:37Speaker 01

  You were?

• 50:38Speaker 03

  I always am. But then Alex and Stas called me and they're like, get.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  I told her, I'm going to get you out of your depression. And then I saw the person that she wanted to talk to and I flung my.

• 50:49Speaker 03

  Well, no, even before that, though, I remember I got ready.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  Let me tell you how Ashton's even.

• 50:53Speaker 03

  Party and I was like, wait, I've never looked better and I felt amazing.

• 50:55Speaker 02

  No. Let me tell you. Ashton, I was like, there's that guy, go talk to him. And she's like, no. And I said, okay, I will make myself look like a lunatic because I don't need this guy to like me. I need him to like you. So I'm going to look like a lunatic. And then what's going to happen here is you're going to swoop in and be like the cool, put together, like sexy, mature one and you're going to talk to him. So I'm like, let's go, like, let's go to drinks, like, whatever, like getting this guy. And I'm like, talking his ear off. And then the second that there was like, someone was like, Alex, can I talk to you? I like tapped her and I was like, get in there, like, go, like now. So like, I lured him to the bar with the three of us, but she wouldn't speak for the first like 30 minutes. So I was just rambling about God knows what. And then the second I got an out, I like tapped her and I was like, perfect, I'm leaving the bar to go talk to someone, you get in there. And now, then separated in two months.

• 51:40Speaker 02

  You're welcome.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  You really have it.

• 51:43Speaker 02

  Like.

• 51:44Speaker 03

  We haven't se, I've never like met someone and like just hung out with them every single day.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  I, for as long as I've known you, I haven't seen it.

• 51:51Speaker 03

  I don't like anyone.

• 51:52Speaker 02

  The cutest thing ever. But can you admit that it.

• 51:54Speaker 03

  Every time I have a crush on someone, you make it happen because I can't do it myself.

• 51:59Speaker 02

  I'm a really good wing woman for her.

• 52:00Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:01Speaker 01

  You are.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  Or anyone in general.

• 52:03Speaker 03

  I'm like really good at like hating men and not liking them, but if it's like I actually.

• 52:08Speaker 02

  She just won't do it. She won't talk.

• 52:09Speaker 03

  Have a crush on someone, I like can't speak.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  You know what it is about you, and I've always said this about you?

• 52:13Speaker 02

  Oh. Yeah, okay, I got first.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  What?

• 52:17Speaker 02

  They say, where did we go the one night in LA where she really wanted to see this person? So we made our, I, I didn't want to go out this night. I made us go to this party. I made us get dressed up. I made us get into the party. Then I found the person that was talking to the person she wanted to talk to. So then she could talk and she blew it, like, just completely blew it. She was a freak.

• 52:35Speaker 01

  Oh, I remember this. I remember this.

• 52:39Speaker 03

  I hadn't spoken to a boy at like.

• 52:41Speaker 02

  Like, it wasn't.

• 52:41Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, and I was so, I was supposed to come with you guys that night.

• 52:44Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. Yeah.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  And it was so bad.

• 52:46Speaker 02

  And I don't mean to call my sister a freak, but like, she's seriously like.

• 52:49Speaker 03

  I can be a freak sometimes.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  I've never seen like a situation go down more poorly than this in my entire life. Like, is she really just like, she made this guy get up and like actually be like.

• 52:58Speaker 03

  He goes, I'm going to go take a lap.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  What did you say to him again?

• 53:01Speaker 03

  I started like rambling, but I was like stuttering. Oh, my God. It was like out of a movie.

• 53:06Speaker 02

  She told like, the word, she told a one unfunny story, two unnecessary long, three, like, it made no sense. There was no plot to the story, like.

• 53:15Speaker 01

  But you also, I love going out with you guys so much. It's because I feel so confident because you guys enter the room with such confidence. It's like when we're, wherever we go, it's like, yeah, P, like, you know, it's like, you just, you leave the room, you enter the night with such like, you, I will do whatever the fuck I want. I don't care who, what the fuck anyone in this room says about me. And it, um, what's the word?

• 53:43Speaker 02

  Creates like an aura.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  It's, yeah, creates an aura.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  Except I don't really think I feel that way.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  I feel like you do. Sometimes when you have like a drink or two in you and you're like going out and walking in a place, you'll just be like.

• 53:52Speaker 02

  There's like.

• 53:53Speaker 03

  Alex's like shoulders back, tits up.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  Oh, it's the best thing on planet earth. I literally feel like a superstar.

• 53:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  Walking behind her like this.

• 53:59Speaker 03

  And she like is walking with like her back arched and just like scanning the room. She's like in diva mode. It's great. There's some nights that like I can turn it on.

• 54:07Speaker 01

  It's the best. And please turn it on tonight.

• 54:09Speaker 02

  Again.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  And you know where I think we should go tonight?

• 54:14Speaker 02

  Ladive.

• 54:14Speaker 01

  Ladive and then?

• 54:15Speaker 02

  Shay.

• 54:20Speaker 01

  I'm trying to get, tell me what's wrong. You know.

• 54:25Speaker 02

  Why did I not know they came in like a printout letter?

• 54:28Speaker 01

  I think it's changed.

• 54:30Speaker 03

  Do you not watch Therapists?

• 54:32Speaker 02

  I do.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  No, she doesn't.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  This year, I've decided to take a gap year before going to university because I don't know what I want to do with my life. None of my other friends are doing this and I'm sort of alone. Is this a good idea? And also, what would be some good things to do during this time? I don't want to waste it and I want to use it to learn something new, maybe.

• 54:51Speaker 03

  I think it's a great idea.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  It's a great idea. You know who took a gap year and had a wonderful time doing so and still had a great college experience? It's Stella.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  Really?

• 55:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. Her and Elliot graduated one year apart from each other, but they're the same age because Stella took a gap year. And she was like, it was great. I had a great time.

• 55:09Speaker 02

  I mean, yeah, what I would say is like, I feel like that point of your life is like about maturing and finding yourself. And like, you go to college and I think you really come out on the other side, like, everyone kind of goes down. Like, I feel like you go in, everyone kind of seems like similar, same, like, you like the same things and you leave and everyone kind of like blossoms and goes on their own path. And like, if you want to take the time to like find out who you are during this stage, like, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

• 55:33Speaker 03

  No, I think it's great. Also, I think you could learn a new language. You could learn a new like craft skill, try some new hobbies.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  I mean, just try not to stay still, I think is like the key to it. Like, be doing shit.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  The only thing I would say is like, I feel like when people do something or put it off, then they never go do it. Like, are you going to take a gap year and go?

• 55:54Speaker 03

  You can also like, maybe she's like, maybe they're figuring out like where they want to go to school or like what they want to do. I think it's a great time. You can also like visit your friends and see like how they're doing. You could travel.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  You don't need to know what you want to do going into college. Like, a lot of like getting into college for me was like very like. I picked the maj- I applied with the major I thought would get me into the school.

• 56:20Speaker 02

  I went in undecided and then I found what I liked.

• 56:22Speaker 01

  What I wanted to do.

• 56:23Speaker 02

  While I was there.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  I was just like, okay, which one is gonna get me into the school? I'm gonna pick that one. Like, you don't need to go into college knowing what you want to do. I had no idea what the fuck I wanted to do. I thought I- I had no idea what I wanted to do and then at the end of my sophomore year, I was like, okay, I think I wanna- I- I got this job in music and I was like, I'm gonna work in music. And then that became my entire personality trait and then this happened. Just like life happens.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:45Speaker 01

  And I think tra- take the time to travel. You're never gonna have a- You- you are never gonna have this year off ever again in your entire life.

• 56:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember when we were going to college. Sally couldn't get into Charleston unless she did like a semester abroad.

• 57:00Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  And she was like, in the moment, it felt like the biggest decision ever and she was like, I can't do this, whatever. And I was like, just do it. Like, go. You're gonna make so many amazing memories. You're gonna meet so many amazing people. Like, just- go do it and then go to, like, what is six months gonna do? You know, like, it- it seems like such a big deal in the moment, but like, it's gonna go by so fast. And she did it and she was like, I can't imagine if I didn't do that.

• 57:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think if you're able to, going abroad is a really great experience.

• 57:26Speaker 01

  Oh, I never got to do it.

• 57:27Speaker 02

  Well, I didn't do it.

• 57:28Speaker 03

  I loved it.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  Did you do it?

• 57:30Speaker 03

  I love-

• 57:30Speaker 01

  Where'd you go again?

• 57:31Speaker 02

  She loved it.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I remember that.

• 57:33Speaker 03

  And even if you're, you know, taking a gap year, you could take a class and like, even like a painting class or something, or like, learn the language of that country. Obviously, you know, if you're able to, but I loved it. And it was just so fun and it really got me out of my shell. I think it was really important for me as a person, especially because I was like more shy and awkward. I just went with like one friend and we kind of conquered. It was great.

• 57:55Speaker 01

  You wanna know what my favorite college story of Alex's of all time? When you visited her in Miami and you left your phone in her dorm so she could take you club in?

• 58:05Speaker 02

  We got so much trouble that night.

• 58:07Speaker 01

  What happened again?

• 58:08Speaker 03

  Because Alex was a freshman in college, so I was a junior in high school. I was like sixteen, I think. And she was like, we're going to the bars. And dad was like, you guys are not going out, you know, like, whatever. So, my dad had our location, so we were also going out at like two AM. We weren't just like going out at like ten PM normally.

• 58:27Speaker 02

  We left the dorm at two AM to go to the club.

• 58:30Speaker 03

  Yeah. And so, I left my phone in Alex's dorm room and I squeezed myself into like her sparkly high heels because my feet are two sizes bigger than hers and like put on one of her mini dresses and I was like, we're going to the club. We went to live. We were in the DJ booth.

• 58:45Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 58:47Speaker 03

  And-

• 58:48Speaker 02

  That was literally like my residency.

• 58:50Speaker 03

  Anywho, I think dad found out that we went to the clubs.

• 58:53Speaker 02

  Oh, no. The text I got from my dad, like, at this point, which I was already in um, hot water because when I went home for the break, I like, took this guy back to my dad's house and he saw on the cameras. And like, it was already like really bad. And um, he sent a text like that read me to filth. Like, it was so mean because I promised my parents I wouldn't take her out and I did.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  But what else were you supposed to do? You're visiting her at college. Were you even sitting on a class?

• 59:22Speaker 03

  No.

• 59:22Speaker 02

  And-

• 59:24Speaker 01

  Like, at that point, like, what are you doing if you're visiting college?

• 59:26Speaker 03

  No, and that's why Alex is the best big sister ever.

• 59:28Speaker 02

  And also, it was like, we were safe. Like, we were in the most secured spot we could have been in the club.

• 59:33Speaker 03

  We were literally in the DJ booth.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  We- we were like, yeah.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  The most secure, safe spot.

• 59:39Speaker 02

  We had our own bar, like, we were fine.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  If I don't go out tonight, like, I will.

• 59:44Speaker 02

  Okay. Like, we're gonna go out.

• 59:48Speaker 01

  Every time I mention to my best friend how I think a guy is cute or start crushing, soon after, I always see her texting or talking to him.

• 59:55Speaker 02

  These are the worst type of people. Sorry.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  This has been happening a lot. When I confront her, she always tells me, it's just text. Oh my god, I would literally freak the fuck out. I would literally freak the fuck out.

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  That's not your friend.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  And he's the one texting slash talking to her. I don't wanna make a huge thing about it, but I'm also like, what the fuck? Your friend is very insecure.

• 1:00:10Speaker 03

  You could never trust your friend, ever.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  That's not a friend. I don't think that's your friend.

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  That's not a friend.

• 1:00:15Speaker 03

  These, I'm sorry, might be like the worst type of human.

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  Well, it's all, and from what I've learned-

• 1:00:20Speaker 02

  Oh, and the girls always have such an elaborate excuse too, like, they're like, we're just friends.

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  I know. It's like, why are- and then they gaslight you. They're like, why are you feeling weird about it? Like,

• 1:00:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, stop.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  You're insecure. Like, you're weird. That's weird. That's just my, oh.

• 1:00:33Speaker 02

  Or the girls that are like, every time there's a guy and they have to make it known that like that guy wants to get with them and you're like, oh, please.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  You know that-

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  Or they're like, oh, I've gotten with them.

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  I think that's a narcissist. I think that's a narcissist.

• 1:00:44Speaker 03

  I think it's a mix of like insecurity and like narcissism.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. Is narcissism based in insecurity?

• 1:00:50Speaker 03

  Definitely.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  Or is it a disease?

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  Narcissism is like a disease.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it's a disease too. I don't think it's based in insecurity. Because I used to think I was a narcissist, but I've recently discovered I'm not.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  A narcissist.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  You can?

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Yes, you absolutely can. No empathy.

• 1:01:05Speaker 03

  I thought you said you can't.

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  It's like, like you, I met a real narcissist the other week, like a real and true one. They live in like a genuine reality. Like, it is like, it is, it's like, we all live in the world. Like, they live in a complete and separate world. Like, they, in their minds, like, they don't think they are hurting you or hurting anyone. Like, they don't think you're doing anything wrong. Like, they live in a separate world. It's a disease. It's a legitimate disease.

• 1:01:32Speaker 03

  No, but I think you can have narcissistic qualities.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  Right. But that's what people throw around the word and like, use the word.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. But that, yeah, that's an insecure person. And that's not a real friend. Sorry.

• 1:01:46Speaker 02

  No, let's continue on.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  My best friend of five years has been in a long, has been in a long distance relationship the entire time I've known her. Coincidentally, I've never met her boyfriend. That's super weird. We've worked together, graduated college together, gone on trips together, and I've never met him. When he's in town, they are always quote busy or quote not interested in what I, in what I invite them to. I've kind of gotten over it at this point, but every once in a while, it comes back up and my curiosity gets the best of me. I mean, at this point, I'd be like, is he real?

• 1:02:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, but also, like, yeah, that's a little crazy. The biggest thing about dating a guy for me is I want all my friends to be best friends with him. Like, that is very important.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  Do you feel that way?

• 1:02:24Speaker 02

  I literally meet a guy and I'm like, you need to meet my family right away. Friends, like, there's times, like, the summer, I'm literally out, I meet someone and I'm like FaceTiming my dad. And I'm like, dad, this is so and so.

• 1:02:35Speaker 01

  I mean, when you were with Broxton, he was friends with every single one of us.

• 1:02:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  But I feel, I would've felt comfortable calling him on my own.

• 1:02:42Speaker 03

  Like, imagine bringing a guy around your friends and he like doesn't wanna hang out with your friends. I would be like-

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  But, so what's this girl's problem?

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  She's just like, I'm very weirded out. My best friend of five years.

• 1:02:53Speaker 02

  No, that's very weird.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  It's very weird.

• 1:02:55Speaker 03

  So what do we do about that?

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  I feel like, do you say it to her? Like,

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have to just say like, what's going on?

• 1:03:02Speaker 03

  It's really weird that I haven't met your boyfriend.

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't think that's weird. And then, you know what I would do? I'd be like, is he real? I'd be like, at this point-

• 1:03:09Speaker 03

  Maybe like joke about it?

• 1:03:10Speaker 02

  Picture of him?

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Like, with the AI of it all, like, I don't believe that he is real.

• 1:03:14Speaker 03

  But like, why lie?

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  No, I'm serious. Like, that's where I would go.

• 1:03:17Speaker 02

  With the AI of it all.

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  I'm serious. I'd be like, is this man real? Like, you've, we've been best friends for five years. We graduated college. He comes and visits in the same city. Does he, do you speak negatively about me? Do you hate me? Or is he not real?

• 1:03:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, we gotta get to the bottom of this.

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  My sister is dating a total loser. He got a DUI, spent the-

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  Been there. Okay.

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  He got a DUI, spent the night in jail and legit has no money. She pays for all the rent. I'm sorry, I can't. Call me old fashioned, I can't do it. And he legit uses her as a sugar mama. She has this thing where she needs to take care of everyone, but how do I show her this guy is a leech?

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  You can't.

• 1:03:57Speaker 03

  It's really hard.

• 1:03:58Speaker 01

  Okay, Alex, take the wheels.

• 1:03:59Speaker 02

  I- I just feel like you've gotta let it run its course.

• 1:04:02Speaker 03

  They have to see it themselves.

• 1:04:04Speaker 02

  I've been in the position before where like I tried to fight with her about her boyfriend and all it did was like cause us to not talk for a year and a half. And like, I would rather-

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  A year and a half? You guys didn't speak for a year and a half?

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  Like, we spoke, obviously, but like, we weren't friends. I didn't call her and like update her on my life. Like, we didn't visit each other really. And like, I would so much rather like let her know that I'm there for her if anything were to have gone wrong than like, I don't know.

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, you like wanna like not have that hatred between your sisters, so-

• 1:04:35Speaker 02

  Like, we had a conversation one time and I knew she could hear me because she was crying.

• 1:04:39Speaker 03

  But I was still like, fuck you.

• 1:04:41Speaker 02

  Saying like, fuck you. But she was crying, so I knew that like I was getting through to her. But like, I would say that approach more so than like, don't fight with her.

• 1:04:48Speaker 03

  You can kind of like, I think there's a way to nicely tell someone like what you see without like being like, you need to break up with this person, like la la la, being aggressive. I think that's what we learned. You have to be nice about it and be like, I'm here for you. Because also, like, I've had friends where their boyfriends are like treating them like dog shit. And I'm like, you have to break up with him. They, you can't, like-

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  But like, you can't like make anyone to see it for themselves.

• 1:05:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, they have to, like, just finally come to terms with it.

• 1:05:13Speaker 02

  They won't feel safe to like confide in you. You know what I mean?

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  Like, if you're too like harsh about it, they're not gonna wanna be like, if I do actually feel a way, they're not gonna wanna tell you. They're gonna wanna tell someone who's gonna be like, it's okay.

• 1:05:26Speaker 03

  They're gonna like shut you out because it's like, they get defensive themselves. So then they're not gonna tell you what's actually going on.

• 1:05:32Speaker 02

  So basically-

• 1:05:33Speaker 03

  You have to be nice and supportive and just-

• 1:05:36Speaker 02

  Maybe like drop some comments in a nice way, but like-

• 1:05:39Speaker 03

  Try to give good sisterly advice.

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  It's kind of just like-

• 1:05:43Speaker 03

  You can't force someone to break up with someone.

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  It's that like, super unfortunate feeling of like, you, the only person in this life that you can control is yourself.

• 1:05:53Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  You literally cannot control anybody else. You can't control your mom, you can't control your sister, you can't control any, your best friend. You, you, sometimes unfortunate situations happen that you cannot control. And you have to come to terms with that.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Yeah. And it's also like,

• 1:06:12Speaker 02

  I don't know, maybe they're happy doing that. Also, it's not, I don't get it, but like-

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  She's happy.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  Well, girls, what did we learn today?

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  Wait, what did I learn? I definitely did.

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  I don't know if we learned anything today. I think we, I think, I think we definitely, I think we talked a lot of shit. We talked.

• 1:06:32Speaker 02

  We talked.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  We talked. Is there anything you guys wanna get off your chest before?

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  Oh, I learned that. I'm so excited for everyone to watch Earl Meets World.

• 1:06:41Speaker 01

  Me too. And if you have any questions, refer to this episode.

• 1:06:45Speaker 02

  Right. And we can always film more for you.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  Yes, cameras up soon, please. This was fun. Did you guys have fun?

• 1:06:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had so much fun.

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  All right, let's go get up, let's dance, let's party, and let's close out summer correctly. Summer's ending.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  Summer's ending. Bye pussies. Wait.

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  Tens up.

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  Is it the four?

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:07Speaker 02

  I went-

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  Bye pussies.

• 1:07:10Speaker 02

  Bye pussies.

• 1:07:12Speaker 03

  Tens up.

• 1:07:13Speaker 02

  You have to do it.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  Kill myself.

• 1:07:15Speaker 02

  She's saying tens up.

• 1:07:17Speaker 03

  You've clearly never watched an episode.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  No, she-

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  Bye pussies. Tens up.

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  And go stream Earl Meets World. All eight episodes will be out September fourth on Netflix.

• 1:07:47Speaker 00

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