Session 143: Nicole Kidman & Sandra Bullock

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• 0:42Speaker 01

  Three, two, one.

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  In case you missed it, the blindfold was a reference to Sandra Bullock's Bird Box. Tonight's episode is a very special-

• 0:58Speaker 02

  Let me.

• 0:59Speaker 03

  No, you go.

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  Tonight's episode is a very special episode. We have Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock.

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  These are two of my favorite actors, two of Jake's favorite actors. And yes, I was too nervous to come the day you were recording. I majorly regret it. I don't think I'll ever get that opportunity again, but-

• 1:13Speaker 01

  When Nicole and Sandra, when this opportunity arose, I at first was like, "I can't do this." And you were the one that was like, "Yes, you can."

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  I was like, "Are you out of your mind to not do that?"

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  Right.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  And so I'm just so like, I'm starstruck, really starstruck by people like that. Nicole, like Sandra, obviously is like-

• 1:34Speaker 01

  Well, your first car was named Sandra Bullock.

• 1:35Speaker 02

  My first car was called Sandra Bullock.

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  What's your favorite-

• 1:38Speaker 02

  Shout out Muffy, she helped me name my first car.

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  What's your favorite Sandra Bullock movie?

• 1:41Speaker 02

  You don't care.

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  Like, I said shout out Muffy, you just-

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  I care, I just-

• 1:50Speaker 02

  You love Muffy.

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  I love Muffy. What are your favorite movies from both the actresses here today?

• 1:57Speaker 02

  My favorite Nicole used to be Eyes Wide Shut. And now I think I've reverted back to my Moulin Rouge days.

• 2:04Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:04Speaker 02

  And Moulin Rouge was like, sort of an awakening for me as a kid. Like, that movie is, it's... Like, it's formative for a kid who wanted to do like theater when he was younger and stuff. And yeah, I love Ewan McGregor. I love Nicole. I think that movie's really major. And it's the reason, it was like the birth of my Baz Luhrmann phase.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Right.

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  Right.

• 2:28Speaker 01

  And you love Baz?

• 2:29Speaker 02

  I think he's a terrific director, yeah.

• 2:31Speaker 01

  My favorite Nicole Kidman movie is The Others.

• 2:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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  And then my favorite Sandra Bullock movie-

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  When did you watch The Others?

• 2:40Speaker 01

  When I was like, eight.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  My favorite Nicole, and then my favorite Sandra Bullock-

• 2:44Speaker 02

  Do you like Practical Magic 1?

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  Love.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, let's talk about it.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  Well, we do in that.

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  I'm sure you do.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  My favorite Sandra Bullock movie is Premonition.

• 2:55Speaker 02

  Wow, that's a crazy select.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  It's Premonition.

• 3:00Speaker 02

  I mean, she's terrific in that. She's terrific. Sandra Bullock is like, really my girl.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  Really my girl.

• 3:06Speaker 01

  Oh, honestly, I'm so, I'm so sorry. I take it back. My favorite Sandra Bullock movie is Bird Box.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  Really? Your favorite one?

• 3:12Speaker 01

  My favorite of all time. Bird Box is one of my favorite movies of all time.

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  Would it go in your Letterboxd 4?

• 3:17Speaker 01

  It could, yeah.

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  What would you say if you got asked for your Letterboxd 4?

• 3:21Speaker 01

  Okay, so-

• 3:21Speaker 02

  That's a good question. And I feel like nobody asked him that.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  My Letterboxd 4 would be Devil Wears Prada, Bridesmaids-

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  Bird Box, apparently.

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  Bird Box.

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  I love that movie.

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  I just think it's so, I love apocalyptic stuff.

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  Yeah, oh my god, love. But then I-

• 3:37Speaker 01

  You know what?

• 3:37Speaker 02

  You said that the other day, and then I said, "Yeah, and I like A Quiet Place," and you said, "Mm-mm."

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  I don't like A Quiet Place.

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  Okay, well-

• 3:43Speaker 01

  I just don't love how they have to be quiet the whole time.

• 3:46Speaker 02

  Right, so it's more like you're imagining yourself in that scenario and you know you'd be dead.

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  Yes.

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  Right, okay.

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  Immediately.

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  Yeah, no, you'd be like, you'd be one of those characters where it's like-

• 3:56Speaker 01

  Wait, what's going on? And then I'd be like, "No."

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  No, you would make it into like, the local restaurant where everyone's hiding and everyone's like, "Shh." Like, you would make it there. Like, yeah, I'm not saying you'd be the one getting out of the car screaming. You'd genuinely be like, "Okay, we have to be quiet."

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  Yeah.

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  But then we would get to the restaurant and like, we'd all be hiding and we'd all be like, "Okay, this thing is gonna kill us if we're not silent." It's like crawling on the ceiling or whatever.

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  Yeah.

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  And then, you'd sort of like, something absurd would come out of your mouth. And you, and you would make a noise.

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  Yeah.

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  But I don't know if it would be like, totally on purpose. I just think it's your nature to like-

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  Speak.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Get like, at least half of the room's eyes on you, which is a talent.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Thank you so much. Wow, you just reframed my day.

• 4:41Speaker 02

  Your day?

• 4:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was having a horrible day. You wanna know my favorite movie franchise of all time?

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  Yeah.

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  The Purge.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  No, no.

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  Yep. My dream is to star in a Purge movie.

• 4:53Speaker 02

  Okay, because I think The Purge 1, or like, The Purge movie that we were all so gagged by, is terrific.

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  They're all terrific, every single one of them. Election Year?

• 5:02Speaker 02

  I don't know what my favorite franchise is, but you didn't ask me my favorite Sandra Bullock movie.

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  I did.

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  I know I never got the chance to answer.

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  So what was yours?

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Okay, I think it is... A tie between Gravity? Yeah, cuz I know that rocked your shit.

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  Gravity I saw in theaters.

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  I saw it in theaters too.

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  Gravity Falls under my favorite type of movie, which is What Would You Do?

• 5:25Speaker 02

  But in which apocalyptic slash space movie would you do anything but die?

• 5:31Speaker 02

  Let's get real.

• 5:33Speaker 01

  I know I would, I would probably falter to conditions around me. But it's fun to think about. Like, what would you do?

• 5:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, there is like, a world in which I actually think that you would make it pretty far in something like The Hunger Games.

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  Hunger Games, I can see myself making it.

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  I don't think you'd be a diva. Like, I think you would kinda just be like, "Well, here we go. I'm gonna sharpen my teeth and bite these bitches."

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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  Yeah.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  In honor of Practical Magic 2, if you were able to have one magical power, what would it be?

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  I like the idea of flying.

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  Okay.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Simply for the feeling.

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  Uh-huh.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  Not because I wanna get somewhere quicker, which I would use it for, obviously, but like, it's not because of that. It's because... I really wanna feel like a bird.

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  My ideal superpower, magic power, would be telekinesis.

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  Telekinesis.

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  Yep.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  Anyway, I'm so honored to be... The, would you call this opening act?

• 6:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess. We should call it opening act instead of intro.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  Oh, intro, there you go. I'm so honored to be the intro and opening act for Nicole and Sandra. Yeah, they're, they're, they're, they are so legendary. I think it's like, so unbelievably iconic that you're having them on.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  I feel like they're some of our last great movie stars. Movie stars don't really exist anymore.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  Well, I think, I hate this like, movie stars don't exist anymore thing, because... I think the world is just changing and the world around the concept of a movie star is changing, and so like... The idea of them is changing and how you get there is changing.

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  Okay.

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  I do think that like, like, everyone's kind of a multi hyphenate these days.

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  Yeah.

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  And, but like I said, there are pros and cons, because then it brings into this, like, then people are going to the movie to see a movie.

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  Right.

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  Obsession.

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  Obsessed.

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  You think you're obsessed with me, so ask a minute.

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  And I said, "Me too." I'm obsessed with meee, as much as you.

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  Bar.

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  Yeah, actual bar.

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  Bar.

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  You know what's interesting that we spoke about is how both of them never thought Practical Magic 2 would ever be a thing. And the reason it became a thing was because it had this cult following on, like, online. And that's why the studio was like, "Let's make a second one."

• 7:56Speaker 02

  I love that movie.

• 7:57Speaker 01

  Me too.

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  I'm actually really excited for the second one.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  It's, it's really amazing.

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  When is it out?

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  Yeah, no, it's out on September 11th. It's brilliant. It's magical. Practical Magic 2 is brilliant, it's amazing, it's magical.

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  And you loved.

• 8:10Speaker 01

  Loved, the soundtrack's unbelievable. Well, Charlie-

• 8:13Speaker 02

  Nolan, can you look up Bird Box monologue to Boy and Girl?

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  Listen to me, we're going on a trip now. It's gonna be rough.

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  Okay, ready?

• 8:24Speaker 02

  Listen to me, we're going on a trip now. It's gonna be rough.

• 8:29Speaker 03

  If you hear something in the woods, you tell me.

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  If you hear something in the woods, you tell me.

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  If you hear something in the water, you tell me.

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  If you hear something in the water, you tell me.

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  Under no circumstances are you allowed to take off your blindfold.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  But under no circumstances are you allowed to take off your blindfold. Take the blindfold off.

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  Charlie?

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  Yeah.

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  I love you.

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  I love you too.

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  Thank you for doing this with me.

• 8:53Speaker 02

  No, thank you for having me, and as I said, this is a massive honor for me. Massive. I mean it. It's always an honor to be here. Remember, the first time I did this, I said, "I feel like I'm in a..." Valuable seat.

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  I know. That was very kind.

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  And I meant it.

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  And I really appreciated that.

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  Yeah.

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  Do you have any words for Sandra and Nicole before we part?

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  I'm very inspired by both of you, and I really hope I get the opportunity to meet...

• 9:21Speaker 02

  You, Sandra, and meet you again, Nicole.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  Charlie, I love you. But for real, I just would like to say that I am so beyond grateful that I was able to talk to Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock about Practical Magic 2. They both mean and have meant so much to me, and I know that, like, I don't take this space and what I do for granted. And, and I am so beyond grateful. They were so lovely, so kind. It was a real, like, meet your heroes moment, and I really hope that you guys love it as much as I did.

• 10:06Speaker 01

  Practical Magic 2 is out in theaters September 11th. It is fucking fantastic. Joey King and Maisy Williams star in it as their daughters. I really do feel like people are going back to the movie theaters, and this is such a movie that you have to see in a movie theater. It is so fun, and I am so honored I got to speak to the two stars about it. So Nicole and Sandra, thank you, pussies. I would not be here without you. Enjoy the episode. I love you.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman, welcome to Therapists.

• 10:40Speaker 04

  Thank you for having us.

• 10:41Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Thanks for being here. I'm so honored that you guys have chosen to come here on this wonderful press tour.

• 10:46Speaker 04

  The only place with air conditioning right now.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  I know, it's very hot out.

• 10:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was our deciding factor.

• 10:51Speaker 05

  It's gorgeous in here.

• 10:52Speaker 04

  Air conditioning?

• 10:53Speaker 01

  Yes. How was filming Practical Magic 2?

• 10:56Speaker 05

  It was really fun. We went to the UK in the summer and we shot. It was magical.

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  It really was. It was written in Alice's book. It was, it takes place, we leave our house and we have to go to London. And it was, it was beautiful. Like, we had the best weather. For some reason, it was freakishly stunning that summer, last summer. Just the people were just kind.

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  Yeah, people there are so kind.

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  They were really kind.

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  Crew was amazing.

• 11:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, just kind, optimistic, can do. It's like, even if you can't, they're like, alright, we'll try it. And it's like, just, it was, it was sort of, you let your guard down there a little bit. It was really nice.

• 11:32Speaker 05

  How come you've got the stuffy?

• 11:34Speaker 04

  Why are you always taking my stuff?

• 11:36Speaker 01

  Here, here, this is Cassandra.

• 11:38Speaker 04

  Cassandra?

• 11:39Speaker 01

  That's Cassandra. And that's, oh, I forget their name. Joe, what's that one? Patrick. I'm never letting that down.

• 11:45Speaker 04

  He doesn't get a puss?

• 11:46Speaker 05

  That's terrible.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  No, because, I don't know, because Joe Jonas named him. And I say, he wouldn't let go of Patrick.

• 11:52Speaker 04

  Well, it's from SpongeBob.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that's, I think that's what it was.

• 11:56Speaker 04

  But puss Patrick.

• 11:57Speaker 01

  Pee Pee. Yeah.

• 11:59Speaker 04

  P squared, yeah.

• 12:01Speaker 01

  Did you guys have a resident witch on set again, or?

• 12:04Speaker 04

  It was us, yeah.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was you guys, yeah.

• 12:08Speaker 04

  Hello. I mean, it was like, like, six of us that were, we had three generations of, but we had no resident witch that could curse us in any way. We were only surrounded by witches that would bless us.

• 12:20Speaker 05

  We're good witches.

• 12:21Speaker 01

  Right, because last time you guys had one and she was-

• 12:23Speaker 04

  She was brought on as sort of a, a knower of things. And turns out, um-

• 12:28Speaker 05

  We knew more.

• 12:29Speaker 04

  She, she might have known the things we didn't want to know about, yeah.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  What did you guys, what have you guys like, learned about witches from both the first film and the second film? Because I find myself like fascinated with them now.

• 12:40Speaker 04

  I have a whole theory on the witch.

• 12:43Speaker 05

  Come on, season of the witch, give it to us.

• 12:45Speaker 04

  No, you go. You had the microphone up your mouth first.

• 12:48Speaker 05

  I just really like the microphone.

• 12:50Speaker 04

  I can tell.

• 12:53Speaker 05

  I was about to sing a song.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  You can sing.

• 12:55Speaker 04

  No. This is what it was like working on, like, sometimes we're here and then Nicole will drift. And I just sort of watch like a balloon. She's so free. And they just hold on to each other and you just, you, do you want to talk about it or no?

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  Yeah, what, what do you guys?

• 13:10Speaker 04

  Thoughts on witches?

• 13:12Speaker 05

  Um, I mean, my mother always, she was born on Friday, Friday the 13th. So that somehow gave her, I think, magical powers. So I would say, I come from a long line of witches.

• 13:24Speaker 04

  Yeah. Like, I don't, I have a, I have a problem with the word witch, only because I believe it was born out of a negative connotation. It didn't feel like it was given with sweetness and kindness. It was, it was always, my daughter, and I brought this up earlier, my daughter asked me, she goes, why is it that they call women witches? But men are warlocks. And I went, that's a really great question. And, um, you know, witches were women who helped each other because they weren't given the same medical, you know, thing that men got. They had to come up with their own potion from the earth. Everything was, was natural. They had to help each other.

• 14:01Speaker 04

  They taught each other to read, you know, they, so if you look at it that way, and you go back to Salem and all those times, you go, oh, you look at it with different eyes. And it, it made me really sad because it was used to, to harm someone or to, to kill them in society. They go, oh, I'm, I'm mad at my aunt right now. She's a witch. And then she's burned at the stake.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:24Speaker 04

  And think about that.

• 14:25Speaker 05

  Because the, the Latin sinistra, right? So they had, let's get really deep here. Um, and it's left-handed. Birthmarks, red hair, all the things that people were kind of weirded out by. And suddenly, you're a witch, you're a witch.

• 14:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:41Speaker 01

  Wow, did, did you guys-

• 14:43Speaker 05

  Like, you would be burned at the stake usually for a birthmark or red hair and red hair. And left-handed, yeah. It was sinister.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. And this was only women?

• 14:52Speaker 04

  I mean, warlocks were burned as well. But like, women were, you know, it was, they were the target. And it's, you know, when we were doing research for this, and Al, not that you need to do research on Alice's book, but I just randomly had a thought and I go, I bet everything has a reason. Like, women are made fun of for going to bathroom in packs. They go, why do women need to go to the bathroom in packs? I said, I bet there is a reason. And there was. There were not bathrooms for women a couple hundred years ago. So they had to go in the fields. And when they went in the fields, they became vulnerable and were attacked. And so the women would all go together so that the women would be safe.

• 15:26Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 15:26Speaker 04

  That's why we go to the bathroom in packs.

• 15:28Speaker 01

  That's what people also say about, people also say that about gossip. Gossip was a way for women to share important information, like, under the guise of like, something secretive that they needed to get to each other. Did anything spiritual happen to you guys on set in the first or the second? Like, did you guys notice any signs or?

• 15:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, we, I mean, I, I just feel like this whole, to, to be going back to this so many years later, that's magical in its, in its own way. Like, kind of extraordinary that this film even found its own, its own following and that people championed it. And before you know it, there was a reason to make a second one. All this time, decades and decades later, that really happens.

• 16:12Speaker 04

  Especially for a film that, when it came out, we, we were not reviewed well. We, people came after us. Yeah, they were like, how many women do you need in a film? How many, how many emotional, like, how many tones do you need, you know, comedy and magic and love and drama and, you know, and I was like, have, have you lived life at all? But back then, we were chastised for it. It was, it was, there was a lot of shame attached to it. And we sort of went, oh, we thought we were making something that really was not just educational, but not mean spirited at all. It was about doing the right thing and helping others no matter what. And so there was, I was really surprised when it turned out that because of social,

• 16:50Speaker 04

  we, there was a whole world that went, no, you didn't make it for a group of people. Here we are. And if it wasn't for social, we would not have been able to make a second one. Everyone came out loud and proud and said, this is us, these are our people. It's not, you don't have to be a people because there's so many themes and thematics in this story that relate to everybody, every single human being on the planet. So we get to make this with a different feeling. Like, we came out of going, oh, God, we were, no one wanted, it was, it was, it was not a good press tour, that one. Um, but-

• 17:24Speaker 05

  But we had fun.

• 17:24Speaker 04

  Yeah. You weren't there. You weren't at the premiere.

• 17:27Speaker 05

  No.

• 17:27Speaker 04

  You were there. But it was, it was like, you were like this. You were, you, you could tell by the questions that, you, when people walk into the room every five minutes with their questions and they ask the same question, they sort of give you that look of like, yeah, the stink. They had the stink.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. And it was, it was not pretty. But, so this feels really, really, really nice.

• 17:49Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. Congratulations. I'm so happy that this time around, your experience is so much better.

• 17:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's very different.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  So you noticed-

• 17:56Speaker 05

  Well, what happened though, over the course of the last couple of decades, is people just latched onto it, loved it. I think the sisterhood part of it is incredibly compelling. The family, um, and it's just yummy. You know, it's fun and it's yummy. And hopefully that's what we're bringing this time around. Um, and, and it's fun.

• 18:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's real.

• 18:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  It is really fun.

• 18:19Speaker 04

  It's really real.

• 18:20Speaker 01

  It is really fun. Did you, so you guys, you guys noticed it, its resurgence on socials? That's how you picked up on like, the kind of cult classicness of it?

• 18:29Speaker 04

  Yeah. And also Warner Brothers was like, you do know what's happening. And I wasn't on social. I was like, I have no idea. And, because I couldn't understand why they kept saying, will you please come back and make this? I'm like, why? Were you not there when the first shit hit the fan? Because I was there and I did feel great. And then I started looking at it. And if you're not on social, you, you, you wouldn't have felt the way, but the second you toe dip, it is profound in how people connect to each other. It's like a community. And you realize, it's not a tiny community. It's pretty big.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:59Speaker 04

  And it's all about joy. And it's all about things that everyone wants for themselves, or for their family, or for their ancestors, or for, you know, for yourselves. And it just happens to have that magical little spin on top of it that has a little pointy hat or whatever you, however you want to fly the flag.

• 19:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:17Speaker 04

  You can fly it however you want. But the core of it all is just accepting everybody. No matter who they are, you are always welcome in the Owen's house. The aunts always had their door open. The light was always on. Didn't judge if this is what you wanted. And it's, that mentality, I think, is needed more now than ever. It's like, if you come with love, we'll be there for you.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  That's how, that's how it felt watching the second one. And also, I thought the music was so excellent. Did you guys have anything to do with, um, the music choices in the film?

• 19:46Speaker 04

  I did, yeah.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, the, when, when Landside played and then The Cure played, I thought, I just thought it was so fantastic and so well timed.

• 19:53Speaker 04

  It was, it was interesting because there was so much, because the first one, that we, I worked on the, the soundtrack, the first one, it, no one expected it. It went like double gold or double platinum, whatever. There's two records I have hanging in the house and it's really cold. Um, and, but with this one, it was like the pressure, we had to completely wash the brain and go, this is a new, a new story. Same people, so you need the tent pole moments, the nostalgia, like the, the Stevie Nicks who allowed us to orchestrate. We said, can we put some strings on it and have our composer put strings? And she's like, nah. So, uh, that was amazing.

• 20:26Speaker 05

  Thank you, Steve.

• 20:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. And then, um, Olivia was like, she doesn't license to anyone.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:31Speaker 04

  And licensed to us.

• 20:32Speaker 05

  Thank you, Olivia.

• 20:34Speaker 04

  Thank you, Olivia. Brandy Carlisle came in and sang-

• 20:38Speaker 05

  Thank you, Brandy.

• 20:40Speaker 04

  A song by Billy Joel, which is one of my favorite songs.

• 20:43Speaker 05

  Thank you, Billy.

• 20:44Speaker 04

  Who, Billy licensed it, licensed, licensed it to us. And Brandy's was like, I, I would love, love to sing this. So it's like- Everything just naturally came, you know, and that that is rare. And it just sort of what didn't work did not work. We tried to force some things like, well, this would be really cool to have. And you go, it doesn't belong here.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:03Speaker 04

  And so what belonged stuck. The minute you put it to cut it to picture, it was, you could, you could just feel it.

• 21:08Speaker 01

  Have you always been involved in the soundtrack of the movies you're in?

• 21:12Speaker 04

  Much as you, well, not every movie does a soundtrack.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 21:15Speaker 04

  And, and the first film, our soundtrack inadvertently became another narrator of the film. Like our first 20 minutes of the film didn't work. And that's why we have like four or five needle drops at the beginning. You know, Faith Hill was an unknown.

• 21:30Speaker 05

  Before needle drops had really.

• 21:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, they were doing, they have like a big song. They have like a big song, like the thing, yeah. Yeah. And then Faith Hill, when you remember when we got the song, we went, oh, this is nice. And we're like, put it here. And it just, it made the movie. Faith Hill made the movie.

• 21:47Speaker 05

  Thank you, Faye.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  I saw the coolest video the other day. It was of you and I did not know that you were the first person in the world to buy digital movie ticket.

• 21:58Speaker 04

  I was from the net. Yeah, I was the first because the net was all about hacking and computers. And people were like, what is, what is a hacker? Would this really happen? I'm like, ah, yeah. Like I was sort of like a mini techie at that time that so I'm not now comparatively. But yeah, it was, it was the first time that I ordered a ticket online. Yeah. Erwin, yeah, Erwin, Erwin Winkler did it. He did sort of set it all up and it was crazy.

• 22:22Speaker 01

  It is crazy to think how much the business has changed.

• 22:24Speaker 04

  How old we are.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no, no. It's crazy to think how much the business has changed. And you guys have been a part of the business since pre socials.

• 22:32Speaker 04

  Watch it, pre, pre-war, pre-electricity.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Pre-socials and post-socials. You just recently joined socials.

• 22:39Speaker 04

  I did, I did.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  What feels the most different about the business for better or for worse? Post the digital age.

• 22:47Speaker 05

  I think the direct contact. You suddenly have a direct access to people, your fan, you have, you, you can control your own narrative and voice, which I love. I mean, that is direct. And so you don't have that kind of wall between you if you don't want it. If you do, you can, you can put it up or you can go back and forth different times, you know? You can go, I don't have anything to say or do right now, so I'm just going quiet. It's, it's up to you.

• 23:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:16Speaker 05

  I like that.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  And how have you felt since joining Instagram?

• 23:20Speaker 04

  Well, initially it was really daunting. I wouldn't have joined had Warner Brothers not said, could you please? And I said, if I can be me and if I can have my voice and I like, you know, I, I like things to be playful and, and in service of someone else. And how can I shine a light on people and how can I have fun doing it? And I, if I can remain doing it this way and honor and in service of something else outside of me, great.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  But you were saying how you have now have direct contact with your audience. Was it a really frustrating feeling to not have that like 20 some years ago?

• 23:55Speaker 05

  Um, I think you're being interpreted a lot of times.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:59Speaker 05

  Through somebody else's voice or their perception of you. So, and that's fine, that's gonna happen. But at the same time, yeah, is it nice to be able to say, um, I, this is what I'm choosing to speak out on. This is what I want to say. This is what I want to show. This is, this is who I am. Yeah, it's always nice to have, have your own, your, your control over who you are because you can authentically say who you are. That's great.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:29Speaker 05

  And you also choose when you want to not say anything. It's your choice.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:34Speaker 05

  I love choice.

• 24:38Speaker 01

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• 26:16Speaker 01

  It is the end of summer and that means I am scrolling through my camera roll as I always do, looking past on all the trips I have been able to go on this past year. And the only thing that's made me want to do is plan another one. And the only way I will be doing that is on Booking.com because all my friends are incredibly picky. Love to all, but we are all incredibly picky. Booking.com helps us put all those preferences in one place and helps us find a house or a hotel that has everybody's needs met. And that way we have a roof over our head and we can enjoy the rest of the trip. Because as I've said, once you have a place to sleep, the rest of the trip kind of plans itself. Going on trips with your friends, like it's one of the best exercises of free will you can do.

• 26:59Speaker 01

  It's like, that is like the time when I most feel like an adult. I'm like, oh, I can literally just get up and leave. And Booking.com helps you get up and leave. Go on, book that trip. It's easy. Booking.com, Booking dot, yeah.

• 27:15Speaker 01

  Well, what are you guys there pissed about today?

• 27:18Speaker 04

  The inability to influence those who are making changes that I don't approve of in the world. That just, it's just a, it's a blanket and I'm trying not to always live in that downer, but it's just.

• 27:31Speaker 05

  You're not a downer.

• 27:33Speaker 04

  No, but it's like you, I live in a constant, the sky's falling. I'm, I'm.

• 27:36Speaker 05

  She does, yes.

• 27:37Speaker 04

  I, I, I'm preparing for the world. I have more prepared bags, trunks, things, you know?

• 27:41Speaker 01

  Really?

• 27:42Speaker 04

  Oh, big time.

• 27:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, you can really trigger her into.

• 27:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. Well, that just reminded me, you're in Bird Box where the world does end.

• 27:51Speaker 04

  It does, yes. And you want to be at my house if shit goes down.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  Wait, that's one of my favorite movies. That's one of my favorite movies of all time.

• 27:57Speaker 04

  I've got stuff there.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  That is one of my favorite apocalypse movies of all time, which is by the way, my favorite genre. I've seen every apocalypse movie under, under the sun. I'm fascinated by like.

• 28:06Speaker 05

  Same director as this film.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  Really? Oh, my God, she's fantastic. But I thought Bird Box was such a fascinating concept.

• 28:14Speaker 04

  The fact that we have a film out of it is a miracle because I'm literally running, we're in a jungle, running around with the blind foot. I'm like, I'm gonna be method and I'm gonna do this without, I ran into cameras, I ran into, you know? It was, it was, it was insanity. And, and as long as the heart of it was taking care of your kids. And what would you do is like the Sophie's Choice moment. I think I said, as long as we have that as the grounder of like, what would a mama do in this situation? And how does she do it? And how does she get them out of it? I think you can do anything as insane as it was. We're like, as long as it feels real to those people who are in it.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 28:51Speaker 04

  You know, and I said, if we got that, we'll be fine.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  And that was one of the first streamer Netflix movies at the time, if I remember, right?

• 28:58Speaker 04

  One, yeah, I think Will Smith had one, like he had the, the, yeah.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  Would there, would there ever be a second in the works?

• 29:05Speaker 04

  They talked about it, but I was like, do I really want to? I mean, we made Bird Box during a time when things were really bucolic and peaceful in the world and everything seemed very calm. Do I want to make something that really depicts where my mind's already at right now with all my little panic boxes for me and the kids? Should anything happen? My son's like, oh, come on, mom, really? I'm like, we need to have your HEPA filter. You have asthma, like I load up the car faster than anyone.

• 29:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:32Speaker 04

  So with that kind of mentality, do I want to be making a film? Which, you know, when I film, I'm from beginning, middle and end. In that same headspace, I, I don't want to do that right now. You know, I don't want to sit in that world when it kind of feels like.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  Like it could happen.

• 29:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. But I, I will be prepared for it.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  I, I was watching Disclosure Day the other day and I was like, oh, my God, like this could really just happen like.

• 29:55Speaker 04

  I didn't, I didn't see it. I didn't see it.

• 29:57Speaker 01

  Okay, so it's about aliens.

• 29:59Speaker 04

  I feel they're gonna be really nice when they get here.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  I also think so.

• 30:02Speaker 04

  I think they're here. I think they're here. We don't see them. They're watching us, laughing, maybe not at you, but a lot of me. They're looking Nicole going, good girl, Sandy, not so much.

• 30:13Speaker 05

  Yeah. Bad girl, I think they're here.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I also.

• 30:17Speaker 04

  Why would they not be here?

• 30:18Speaker 01

  I was turned into a believer from that movie. And I was like, I used to not believe in them. I used to really just like be very matter of fact and like what I could see is what was there. But I don't know, lately I've been after, after re-watching the first Practical Magic and watching the second the other day and then watching Disclosure Day. I'm like, God, maybe there is more than meets the eye here.

• 30:38Speaker 04

  I think there, I think there for sure is.

• 30:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:41Speaker 05

  I just love being here now. I mean, we can all get caught up in, oh, my gosh, there's this and there's that and everything. But then it's like, well, we're here now.

• 30:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:50Speaker 05

  Stay right here, right now, and enjoy the moment.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  How do you guys stay present in like such?

• 30:59Speaker 01

  Incredible moments that feel so out of body like you've both won Oscars. Like, how do you stay present in those moments?

• 31:06Speaker 05

  Both left our bodies when we won Oscars.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  I had two, I had two hours of sleep that night. I was hiding a newborn. I had no sleep that night. I had nothing. I messed up someone, I presented for someone, don't remember, I couldn't read the teleprompter. The poor gentleman didn't have a very good, like, I, I was a mess. I don't remember what I said. I was, I just wanted to get home for a feeding, like, eat, which is actually a nice balance.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:28Speaker 04

  Like, I had this incredible moment that I can't remember, but I was yearning to be back home for the moment that I was hiding. So, you know.

• 31:37Speaker 05

  And I was beyond lonely. I had the pinnacle of my success and I went home and was so lonely.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm so sorry.

• 31:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, crazy, though, that sort of, the confluence of events where you go, I wish I had, like, I had my mom with me and my dad, but I was like, ah, ah, where's my partner? Where's someone that I can share this with, where you can jump on the bed?

• 31:59Speaker 04

  You didn't have your babies.

• 32:00Speaker 05

  I've got my daughter here. Right now, she's watching it.

• 32:03Speaker 04

  I'm not pointing to some random, because she's got a bunch of babies in the corner. She brings, like, these infants and has them in the corner.

• 32:09Speaker 05

  But I was so, yeah, it was like one of the most profound moments where I went, I've got to get a life. And, yeah, yeah. And at the same time, I'm holding this gold statue where you go, this is, this is it. This is the highest sort of prize you can get in our industry. And so grateful and yet so lonely.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  Did it feel almost like, okay, now I can?

• 32:34Speaker 05

  Weird is what it felt. It actually felt like I'd love to be able to just, you know, be wrapped in somebody's arms right now and then, and the actual, what? But you know that feeling where you go, I'd love to be earthed now?

• 32:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:48Speaker 05

  Something that feels really, um, oh, okay, this is my real life.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  But was, was that like something you were reaching for?

• 32:56Speaker 05

  It then became.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:58Speaker 05

  Quest, yeah. It was, well, it was just like, oh, I realize what I'm, the chasm.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 33:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 33:06Speaker 04

  You realize what work.

• 33:07Speaker 05

  So, it's interesting what those things do.

• 33:09Speaker 04

  You think work fills up the cup? And it does in the moment because there's a lot to think about it, but when you go home, it's an empty cup. I think that's probably why a lot of people take it home because that's their sustenance. And if that's not, you know, it fills your cup, you go home, you're like, it's still empty.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  Right. How are you guys able to separate work and life? Like, when, when do you feel like you both discovered how to do that and find that proper balance?

• 33:35Speaker 05

  I, I think once you have kids, in terms of just going, okay, I've really got to learn how to, um, compartmentalize. Um, at the same time, I've still got to be able to do my, have my artistic, creative expression. So, a lot of it is sharing it. Like, my daughter's sitting over there, we'll go, she's, she's very aware of all the things that I go through, um, both of them are, and it's a very shared experience. And, um, and that, that kind of becomes beautiful then.

• 34:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:03Speaker 05

  So, so then, so, so if it blurs, you're able to then talk about it and you've, with your family. You jump in now.

• 34:15Speaker 04

  I'm just like, listen, and I can't, no. I mean, I think everyone's got, it's, it's different on every day, you know? I, I, I'm a mom first. Like, I, I am no good to any film production if I'm not great there and they're not great. You know, I didn't work for four, four years, I mean, I didn't work in front of the camera, I did other creative things, but I chose not to be, you know, I, I can't. Like, if, if, if something is not right, I, I can't show up. I don't know how to flip that switch. So, if there's the opportunity to be there, they're good and, and they're really good and they can be right by my side, I can be there. And that's, that's few and far between.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:54Speaker 04

  Few and far, I mean, they're sixteen and thirteen, both in the haves, but now they want nothing to do with me, but I still need everything to do, because you raise them to leave you. You know, you raise the things you love the most to leave you and I'm like, I'm not good. Yeah.

• 35:08Speaker 05

  No.

• 35:08Speaker 04

  You want them to go, I'm ready to go out and, she's, she's independent, they're bald, independent. I see the looks in her, I see the look in her eyes. So out of here. I'm gonna let mom think I'm here, but I'm not. But that's what you want.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:22Speaker 04

  And that's the most painful thing ever. So, I'd rather spend all my time with them and then run it through the door. I'm gonna be, I'm gonna have an empty cup.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  Have you guys ever seen?

• 35:33Speaker 05

  You'll have me.

• 35:36Speaker 04

  No, because you'll be tracking her everywhere. I know, I'll be following my kids like in a hoodie, like a balaclava and a black car SUV.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  That's like my dad.

• 35:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. I, I get your dad.

• 35:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, my dad will not let go.

• 35:48Speaker 04

  I'm, I will, why? Why should we?

• 35:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, he won't. He, there's like certain things he has that he, I let him still feel like he has, like, he won't let me drive.

• 35:58Speaker 04

  Does he live here?

• 35:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I live, we all live here and I do, I do not drive.

• 36:02Speaker 04

  So, he comes and drives you everywhere?

• 36:03Speaker 01

  Well, no, but he likes to sometimes.

• 36:05Speaker 04

  How sweet is that?

• 36:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:06Speaker 04

  I told my son, I was like, if you go to college, if you, if you go to that college there, you could live here, do the laundry. I'm not making right, wise choices right now. Your dad, I get that.

• 36:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:16Speaker 04

  Your dad and I.

• 36:17Speaker 01

  It's like his one thing, I'm like, okay, I won't drive, I don't want to drive.

• 36:19Speaker 04

  Does he, is he afraid that something might happen to you?

• 36:22Speaker 01

  He's like, you'll crash.

• 36:23Speaker 04

  Are you not a good driver?

• 36:24Speaker 01

  I don't think I am. I've never tried.

• 36:26Speaker 04

  Wait, wait, you don't even have a license? You don't have your license?

• 36:29Speaker 01

  No, I don't. I grew up in New York.

• 36:30Speaker 04

  Okay, can we please do something where we just take you on the road and teach you how to drive?

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:35Speaker 04

  By the way, excellent driver.

• 36:37Speaker 05

  I won't be in the car.

• 36:38Speaker 01

  Wait, yes.

• 36:39Speaker 04

  Yes, you will. Yes, you will. You will take care of all the other things.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  Speed three.

• 36:47Speaker 04

  But it'll be a very slow speed.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  It'll be the slowest of all the speeds.

• 36:51Speaker 04

  Let's teach you how to drive.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:53Speaker 04

  You, you and my son, because he's getting ready to take the little driver's license test. So, like, the, the, the, whatever, the, the, what is it called? Yeah, that one.

• 37:01Speaker 05

  Right, can drive.

• 37:02Speaker 04

  That one, yeah. It's like, do not talk to me, I'm not here. Well, if you didn't want us to focus on you, you shouldn't have come in the room. She's okay. I see it in her eyes.

• 37:10Speaker 05

  She's got no interest in us.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Do you like the show? Love it. Oh.

• 37:16Speaker 01

  My god, thank you.

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• 38:31Speaker 01

  What do you guys, I was, I was so curious to ask you, what are you watching on television or movies right now? Or what are you listening to?

• 38:37Speaker 05

  The Nadal documentary. I love tennis.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  Who is that?

• 38:45Speaker 04

  It's gonna be something really intelligent and fancy. Go ahead, Nicole.

• 38:50Speaker 05

  And what am I listening to right now?

• 38:52Speaker 04

  Well, tell us what the documentary's about. Nadal, the tennis player, Rafa, yeah.

• 38:56Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 38:58Speaker 04

  What did you think I said?

• 38:59Speaker 05

  That's why I thought you looked blank, both of you, when I said it.

• 39:02Speaker 04

  Because we felt really stupid just that we were, oh, she's watching.

• 39:06Speaker 05

  You gotta watch it. It plays, it's extraordinary because he plays through so much pain. It's fascinating, yeah.

• 39:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:13Speaker 04

  I feel better. Don't you feel better now that we know this?

• 39:14Speaker 01

  So much better. Now that you didn't know as well, I, I do feel better. I do feel better.

• 39:19Speaker 04

  It's the Aussie accent. Sometimes it just switches things, sounds up.

• 39:23Speaker 05

  I can do British then or American, what do you want? Irish?

• 39:27Speaker 04

  No, the Aussie's nice. It's nice.

• 39:28Speaker 01

  I love the Aussie.

• 39:29Speaker 05

  You don't want British?

• 39:31Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 39:32Speaker 04

  I don't want you British.

• 39:33Speaker 05

  You don't want that? Little bit? I can go like South London.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 39:41Speaker 04

  She's like, that wasn't very good. It was superb.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  What are you watching?

• 39:45Speaker 04

  When I'm working on a film, until it's locked, I don't allow myself to watch anything that is, that will make me wish I was doing what they were doing. Do you know what I mean? Something that will inspire me. So, I watch things that are sort of really fun. Like, I, I just went, like, I think I'm on the.

• 40:04Speaker 04

  I'm in the reality realm.

• 40:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was about to say, are you a tattooed reality?

• 40:08Speaker 04

  I'm like, which one?

• 40:09Speaker 01

  Is it Vanderpump?

• 40:10Speaker 04

  No, Ultimatum and Married at First Sight and Love is Blind. I love Love is, I watched Love is Blind with Love on the Spectrum to sort of balance things out, you know? I love Married at First Sight. I, it's, it's so good.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  What is the premise? You meet and you marry?

• 40:28Speaker 04

  Yes, you have a bunch of therapists. Okay, this is gonna be, I'm all for that. Who vet all the people. They've had people sign up, you know, a lot of people from social, people who really want to find love, a lot of people who are also just on it for the, you know, screen time. But they're vetted by these wonderful, wonderful therapists who find, you said, what is it that you want? You're supposed to be sincere, be really vulnerable, because they're doing the search. It's arranged marriage. So they find you a partner. You gear up, they come to your house, two weeks from now, you're getting married. Oh my God, the family, have to tell my dad, he hates me, he's disowning me, but I'm gonna do it anyway, because I want love. And so it's that whole process, and then they meet at the altar. And nine times out, what, eight times out of 10, it's a wicked good wedding, because

• 41:10Speaker 04

  they have a wedding, they walk down the aisle, they have a party, inevitably, they're wasted, they have a really good time. It's strangers, so you're like, oh, this person's fantastic. You know, do you want to consummate it all? Like, they're literally meeting, and they're talking about, will you consummate your marriage? I'm like, you just met five minutes ago. It's fabulous. And then they have to go live together. They get to go on vacation together.

• 41:33Speaker 05

  They literally get married, though?

• 41:34Speaker 04

  They get married there, yes.

• 41:36Speaker 05

  Contract and everything?

• 41:37Speaker 04

  Yes, but no one talks about, if this is a legally binding marriage.

• 41:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's what I'm asking.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  And you want to get divorced, does the show saddle you with the divorce process?

• 41:46Speaker 01

  Do they?

• 41:47Speaker 04

  I don't know. But if someone's genuinely going on, they're going, I'm doing a bad job in my life finding a partner, can you find them for me? I think it's a great concept.

• 41:56Speaker 05

  Maybe go on a date. Do you have to?

• 41:59Speaker 04

  Well, they have a date, it's called a wedding date.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  What have you guys noticed to be the most different about, like, this, the idea of fame and celebrity over the past 20, 30 years? Like, what has changed the most in your eyes?

• 42:12Speaker 04

  What's considered fame? And I think it goes back to what you were saying so beautifully about, social media gives you control and access to your own narrative. You get to say, this is who I am, this is how I want to present, versus the old studio system, which you were curated, controlled, and you didn't have access to your voice to sort of dispel a rumor or do any of that. It's just magnified now. You can be, there's different levels of how to express yourself, you know? But I realize how many creatives there are, because content is hard. And you watch these people who create many stories, and they get their families involved, and it's, I love storytelling that way. I go, it's, it's, I'm trying to find the beauty in it, and not the things that are

• 42:57Speaker 04

  so harmful to kids.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:58Speaker 04

  Because I have a daughter who doesn't have an iPhone, and she's at camp, and she's like, next, if you want me to go next year, you know I'm gonna need a phone. I'm like, no, you're not.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  That's the point of camp.

• 43:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  No phones.

• 43:09Speaker 04

  So, I think it's, I love watching people create, like, with what you have in your house, and your imagination, and writing, and so I think there's a different way to be creative and known for it, rather than this hierarchy of, this is a movie star, and this is who you are, and you are very important, you know? There's different ways to make stories come alive, you know? So, that's my feeling.

• 43:30Speaker 01

  Right, and you see that now with, like, creator-led projects, like Backrooms, or Obsession.

• 43:35Speaker 05

  Amazing.

• 43:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, have you seen Backrooms?

• 43:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:38Speaker 01

  It's cool.

• 43:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:40Speaker 01

  It's cool.

• 43:41Speaker 05

  What is it? So, Osgood Perkins, I think, was one of the producers or mentor for him. It was, it started off on, actually...

• 43:48Speaker 01

  Reddit.

• 43:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  It was a Reddit thread about, it was this, like, if I, I might, you will know if I'm explaining this wrong. It's like, there was a photo on Reddit of, like, this creepy room, and it just became this, all, it all started from this one photo, and it became The Backrooms, of like, this, like, really, like, unidentified spaces. And this YouTuber, I'm blanking on his name, made a movie about it, and he's like 20 years old.

• 44:15Speaker 05

  What's his name? Do you know?

• 44:17Speaker 04

  Kane Parsons.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  Kane Parsons.

• 44:19Speaker 04

  And, and the premise of it is what? Just, like, what happened in these rooms?

• 44:21Speaker 01

  It's like, the premise of it is, they're, they work at this furniture store, and the guy, this guy knocks down a wall by accident, if I'm remembering correctly.

• 44:28Speaker 04

  Oh my God, that's the best thing. I have, I have recurring dreams of finding hidden rooms in houses that I live in that are outfitted and stuck in time, and, oh my God, there's more stuff here, there's more to, I'm sure there's a deep...

• 44:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:42Speaker 04

  Rabbit hole, you can go in for that. But that, that's a great concept.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's cool, and it, what I liked about it, is that it, like, opens up a whole world of movies. Like, it's like, you could go on The Backrooms forever and ever and ever and ever.

• 44:54Speaker 05

  And then Obsession.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  Oh, I loved Obsession.

• 44:58Speaker 04

  I am, I'm sorry, I'm still stuck in, I'm in Ultimatum, in season three, so I'm gonna stay there until I'm finished.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  But you said, uh, something really cool, which I thought, you said, I don't want to watch something that I wish I was a part of. What is a movie that each of you did, that you thought to each other, like, oh, I wish I did that movie?

• 45:16Speaker 04

  I think my head would say, I wish I could do that.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:20Speaker 04

  I don't think I could do what Nick does.

• 45:22Speaker 05

  And I can't do what Sandy, I mean, Sandy is one of the greatest, if not the greatest, physical comedian, female working today.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  You are so incredible at that.

• 45:31Speaker 05

  She'll tell you why, she was, because you studied films.

• 45:34Speaker 04

  Oh, I will?

• 45:35Speaker 05

  No, but, I love how, how you found physical comedy.

• 45:38Speaker 04

  Comedy, yeah.

• 45:39Speaker 05

  Because it's literally wired in her since she was tiny.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  It was through your mom, right?

• 45:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, my, well, I was raised between Germany and the United States, my mother was an opera singer, and we'd go for the opera seasons, and I was raised by my grandmother and my cousins. But in Germany at that time, and you had ATV with, you know, like, a show from Italy in black and white, or a show from France, and it was, anyone who could physically translate a story to you, and usually through humor, I was riveted by. And then when we were in the States, I would watch Cale Burnett, Jerry Lewis, Lucille Ball, anyone with physical comedy abilities that could make you feel something without saying a lot, and make you laugh. And my mother is German, had no sense of humor unless I fell, or I'd, like, ate it on the floor, and she, I was like, okay. It had nothing to do with her being German, maybe it did.

• 46:27Speaker 04

  And I realized that that sort of accidental happening, and making it truthful within that moment, was gold for me. I loved how to physically figure out how to make a moment real physically with comedy, within a scene, you know, pull that chair up, pull this, make this difficult, don't tell me you did this, you know? It's, it's, it's thrilling to me. My body wants to do it.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  Is there a scene in one of your movies that you're most proud of, where you feel like your physical comedy really shined?

• 46:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. It's, it's small, no one else would care, but it was a scene that I had to do where I walked into a kitchen and had to shove, try to just bake something in the microwave, and then walk back. And I said, what I would like for you to do is pull the sheets out of the bed, because she was having a hard day. I said, how do we show that, other than, you know, I'm having a hard day? You know, I said, I'm gonna be making my frozen dinner, pull the sheet out here, I'm gonna wear a shoe that grips and has a rubber sole, so it catches. Don't let the door work in the microwave, put some utensils there, and I'll grab one and see if it works. And then do the same thing, don't tell me where it is, but pull it out before I return into that shot. And it was a shot where just, it was like, the first or second take, everything works,

• 47:41Speaker 04

  it was, I, it was one of my favorites, from Miss Congeniality. It was like, one scene where I'm just trying to make a frozen dinner.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  I rewatched that last night.

• 47:48Speaker 05

  So good, right?

• 47:49Speaker 01

  It's so good.

• 47:50Speaker 04

  It's just like, to show your anger...

• 47:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:52Speaker 04

  That way, when, like, that's what happens in life, you're pissed, and then you're trying to get your car keys, you can't find your car keys, with your jacket sleeve is turned inside out, like, and it's like, I'm best when I'm between a rock and a hard place.

• 48:03Speaker 01

  Right. I didn't know you produced Miss Congeniality. Was that one of the first films you produced?

• 48:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, I produced some smaller ones, didn't do very well, but they were learning ground. Yeah, yeah, so that was my first one that, that sort of hit.

• 48:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:17Speaker 05

  You and Melissa McCarthy.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  Oh, The Heat? Oh, so good.

• 48:22Speaker 04

  So good.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  So good.

• 48:24Speaker 04

  We are the rock and the hard place.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  You know what I rewatched of yours the other day, was The Others.

• 48:27Speaker 04

  Oh, it's so good.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  It is so good.

• 48:31Speaker 04

  It's so good.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  It is one of the best twists...

• 48:35Speaker 05

  That's not physical comedy.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  Of all time.

• 48:37Speaker 04

  It's internal, like, flipping, like, you're, you're like, what you have to sell through your eyes, and through, what she has to do in silence, it's incredible.

• 48:47Speaker 05

  But it was really interesting making The Others, because originally, it was written where she's meant to have this wild red hair, and look completely haggard and destroyed. And I was like, hmm, no, she needs to be so together and everything, because she's so meticulous about protecting her children.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  Right.

• 49:12Speaker 05

  So that all comes from a place of perfect care and protection, and wanting to have everything in order, and, and that's where, that's how that character started.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  What, out of all the films you both have ever done, has been the most fun to make for both of you?

• 49:34Speaker 05

  Practical magic.

• 49:37Speaker 04

  It was a hard shoot, though. We had a hard shoot.

• 49:42Speaker 04

  That was a hard shoot, Nicole.

• 49:43Speaker 05

  I'm like, oh, rose colored glasses. I loved making Volant Rouge. Yeah, because I got to fly on a trapeze and yeah, I mean, when do you get to do that, right?

• 49:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:54Speaker 05

  Be the courtesan who everybody is like, oh, and the sparkling diamond.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:01Speaker 04

  He did. He would always be like, the sparkling diamond in the sky.

• 50:07Speaker 05

  So, yeah, so that was fun. Singing, dancing, and, um, and acting.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. What about for you?

• 50:15Speaker 04

  Um, I mean, I have great times on set with the people, like you have hilarious memories.

• 50:21Speaker 04

  I think the most thankful I've ever been on, on a project where I go, wow, who I was when I started versus who I was when I came out was probably Gravity, because I got, I got to push my body.

• 50:31Speaker 01

  I saw that in theaters.

• 50:33Speaker 04

  You know, and I don't think, I don't think the film does justice to how hard it was for those people to make that film. You know, the behind the scenes, you look at it and you go, this technology didn't it? It was, it was brutal, but we went into it going, I hope it works. We didn't know if it would work up until the very last minute. But who I was when I started versus who I was when I was done, it was really, I, I always look back on that really grateful. I go, you spat me out, a person that I'm, I'm really proud of.

• 51:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  I love that movie.

• 51:06Speaker 05

  How long did it take to shoot?

• 51:07Speaker 04

  It wasn't that long. It was just isolating, you know, because I was in a box by myself with an earwig and no one to talk to for nine hours a day, you know, doing more. Because I had to do all the, what I did, you know, I was going slow motion with my body.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 51:20Speaker 04

  Zero G while I spoke in real time. So by the end, I, someone would hand me a water and George was like, you know what you just did? And I was like, no idea. He goes, they said, do you want a water? And you went.

• 51:34Speaker 04

  I was, I was, I was method acting. It was just really profound how they believed in technology that had just been invented weeks before to tell this story that Alfonso had. And that, that to me, I, I'm really thankful for that because you see people's belief in their story and you sign on, you go, okay, I, I, you know, you're incredible filmmakers, let's do it. I will be my best, as best as I can be my best.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, you were fantastic. Gravity is, I love space movies.

• 52:02Speaker 04

  Beautiful story. And I was, I was, you were diamond in the sky. I was an astronaut in the sky.

• 52:06Speaker 01

  You were.

• 52:06Speaker 04

  See, we were both in the sky.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  You both, you always do sync up. You guys are like.

• 52:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, we do.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  Do you feel like real life sisters sometimes?

• 52:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. We're so, I mean, I feel like I could say anything to Sandy and she'll listen, process it, and then give it, give me some sort of profound advice.

• 52:27Speaker 04

  Or I just, I'll take it to the grave.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:29Speaker 04

  Anything she tells me, take it to the grave.

• 52:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Both hold that. We hold, really, yeah.

• 52:34Speaker 01

  What was that call like when you both decided to hop on for Practical Magic 2? Like, who called to?

• 52:40Speaker 05

  It was a bunch of calls. We were.

• 52:42Speaker 04

  But we, we was, there was no like, should we do it? We're like, we're gonna do it.

• 52:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:46Speaker 04

  Which, what do we extract from the book? Because it, book is done. Beautiful stuff. There's three movies in that book. Um, how do we make this relationship, which soars from the first one? Like, we didn't know it would do, what that did, but there's something there. We have chemistry. It just happens. We do, you know, and we fight well and we love well and it's, and we're different enough to make it interesting every time there's either love or an argument.

• 53:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:13Speaker 04

  You know, so it wasn't a should we, we're like, okay, let's do it. How do we do it? And honor the fans, the first film, but evolve it and bring in the new generation.

• 53:22Speaker 01

  I mean, excellent job at it, though.

• 53:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're how great, sweet are Maisie and Joey?

• 53:26Speaker 01

  Unbelievable. Is it true you brought your own tequila to that?

• 53:31Speaker 04

  She did.

• 53:32Speaker 01

  You.

• 53:33Speaker 04

  The first one.

• 53:33Speaker 05

  First go.

• 53:34Speaker 04

  The first one, yeah.

• 53:35Speaker 05

  Second one, we were so cold and tired.

• 53:37Speaker 04

  We're so tired and cold. There was no, there's no drunkenness.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  But did you guys get like tipsy for that first one?

• 53:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, a bit.

• 53:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. Where we were really hammered was when we were sitting at the table insulting each other. All that sweat was real.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  Oh, and I never, what do you guys, what music are you listening to? I'm always so fascinated to know.

• 53:55Speaker 04

  Oh, I've gone down an old school hip hop road trip. I've just like, it's turned up the old, like, it's good, like old Tupac, but all the stuff has the same sort of downbeat that you just, you can do no wrong. You can run on the treadmill, you can do, it's, that's where I am right now. Hip hop road trip.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  I did a little, um, hip hop road trip with Little Kim earlier this year.

• 54:18Speaker 04

  She's popping up everywhere. Where is Little Kim these days is what I want to know. Do we know where she is?

• 54:24Speaker 01

  Maybe it's, I, God knows. Like, actually, God knows, but The Jump Off is one of the greatest rap songs of all time.

• 54:32Speaker 04

  She, she, no one gives her the credit she deserves.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  No one.

• 54:35Speaker 04

  At all.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  No one.

• 54:36Speaker 04

  At all. Same thing Missy Elliott. I'm sorry, Missy Elliott needs to go back on tour. She needs to bring it back. I'm, there's just some people that need to, yeah, we'll go, we'll show up. Yeah, yeah.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. If I saw The Jump Off live, I would be so in it.

• 54:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, put that out there.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  Please, Little Kim.

• 54:52Speaker 04

  Have Little Kim on your show.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, please.

• 54:54Speaker 04

  Would you?

• 54:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:56Speaker 04

  Well, don't say it.

• 54:57Speaker 01

  Okay. Little Kim, do you, if you want to come on the show, Sandra Bullock approved.

• 55:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, we need you. We really need you. Yeah.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  Who are you listening to?

• 55:06Speaker 05

  I jump around all the time. Um, you know, my, my standard go to is Fred again, just because why not?

• 55:13Speaker 01

  Really?

• 55:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  That's her favorite artist of all time.

• 55:18Speaker 05

  Oh, really?

• 55:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:20Speaker 01

  Have you seen him live?

• 55:21Speaker 05

  No.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Oh, you have to. Apparently his live shows are like.

• 55:25Speaker 04

  He was so good at going concerts, going to concerts.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I saw you guys at Coldplay.

• 55:29Speaker 04

  Oh, that was a great night.

• 55:31Speaker 01

  How was that?

• 55:32Speaker 05

  We so needed that, didn't we? That was, yeah.

• 55:34Speaker 04

  I mean, if, I, if I'd be lying if I'd say we didn't do crying. We, I mean, it was so, for some reason, so emotional and so vast, but so small. Like, you look around, you go, how does one band make everyone love each other for two hours for just a moment?

• 55:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:53Speaker 04

  There was, there was no animosity. Like, I'd just been to the, the Kendrick and SZA concert with my son and I was like, this is the greatest thing we've ever seen. You know, I'm trying not to embarrass him in the background. I'm just gonna chill and hang back.

• 56:05Speaker 04

  But he, if my kids weren't there at this one and there was no hanging back, it was unbelievable.

• 56:10Speaker 01

  I'm so jealous. I've never got to see them live.

• 56:12Speaker 04

  Go, you know, they're touring, I think, 2027. Go, go see it. It is like.

• 56:17Speaker 05

  Well, go together.

• 56:18Speaker 04

  The best part was.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  You're gonna teach me to drive?

• 56:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, we're taking you to Coldplay.

• 56:22Speaker 05

  I'm also seeing Harry Styles on, um, Halloween.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  Oh, I've seen him. He's spectacular.

• 56:27Speaker 05

  Excited.

• 56:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's spectacular. What's the best?

• 56:29Speaker 05

  You're invited to that.

• 56:30Speaker 04

  Madison Square Garden, right?

• 56:30Speaker 05

  Yeah. I invited you.

• 56:32Speaker 04

  Halloween, you know. I said, be there maybe, but I got, have kids.

• 56:36Speaker 05

  That means I won't be there.

• 56:38Speaker 04

  True, not true. It's a new me. It's a whole new me.

• 56:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Were you, did you use to cancel? Did you use to cancel plans?

• 56:44Speaker 05

  I'm coming out.

• 56:48Speaker 04

  Such a good song. Diana Ross. See, that's another one. It's on my hip hop road trip.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  Do you guys, what's the best concert you've ever been to?

• 56:55Speaker 05

  Oh, come on, you can't ask that. Prince.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  Prince.

• 56:59Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. I saw Prince.

• 57:01Speaker 04

  He was singing right to me. He was on that speaker doing his pushups right at me, looking right at me. I don't know if he knew it, but I felt it.

• 57:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 57:12Speaker 04

  A man in heels and earrings can steal any man's woman.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  Agreed.

• 57:16Speaker 04

  I'm sorry. I'm sorry. He could walk in, I, I'd be like, yes.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 57:20Speaker 05

  I go to concerts, so I've seen, I've seen everything. I saw Bowie.

• 57:26Speaker 04

  Really?

• 57:26Speaker 05

  Yeah. I loved Bowie. Um, I've done, you, you name it, I've, I've seen it.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:32Speaker 05

  So, yeah. ACDC.

• 57:36Speaker 04

  I would love.

• 57:37Speaker 05

  When I was, yeah.

• 57:38Speaker 04

  That would be great. Yeah.

• 57:39Speaker 05

  Back in Black. Charli XCX was, I mean, always.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  She was, oh, I saw her at Coachella. She was awesome.

• 57:45Speaker 05

  Yeah. So that's just so many different.

• 57:47Speaker 04

  We're not gonna look at you anymore.

• 57:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, sorry. Um, uh, you name it. I mean, I just love hearing live music.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  Have you seen The Strokes?

• 57:56Speaker 04

  No.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  I just saw them for the first time and I love The Strokes and it was one of the best shows of my entire life.

• 58:02Speaker 04

  Really?

• 58:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't know why, I think it's just because I'd been waiting so long to see them and I, there were so many, I had been to so many festivals where they were playing and I never got to see them. And then I finally was like, they were before Justin Bieber, so everyone was like, okay, we'll stand here and watch them. And it was just.

• 58:17Speaker 04

  That's amazing. And they sounded good, right?

• 58:19Speaker 01

  So good.

• 58:20Speaker 04

  Amazing.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  Okay, so these are the tell me what's wrongs. I have a very stubborn family and we can't say anything to each other without someone getting mad. I'm on the receiving end of all of the blame usually. I always say that people only act like others around them. And my friends and I definitely don't have issues. What should I do? It's constant.

• 58:39Speaker 04

  Okay, so just to clarify.

• 58:40Speaker 05

  It's very complicated.

• 58:41Speaker 04

  Our family blames.

• 58:44Speaker 04

  Our family blames. The family blames them for everything.

• 58:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:49Speaker 05

  Let's unpack it. I can't stand to let something go without understanding it. Let's leave that part out.

• 58:56Speaker 04

  No, but that third sentence is very revealing.

• 58:59Speaker 01

  You only act like those around you. So I must not be the problem if my friends and I don't have issues. But I have issues within my family.

• 59:06Speaker 04

  I see what you're saying. Okay, got it. All right.

• 59:08Speaker 05

  Thanks for that.

• 59:09Speaker 04

  I can't, I can't help because I don't have enough information, but I would suggest if it's something that's debilitating. When, when you come home, you can't be free and there's a lot of pressure. If you can afford a therapist, grab a therapist.

• 59:22Speaker 05

  I would say talk from your feelings.

• 59:25Speaker 04

  Oh my God. Didn't you just hear the family's very stubborn? They don't listen.

• 59:28Speaker 05

  I feel.

• 59:29Speaker 04

  You don't listen.

• 59:32Speaker 05

  I'm trying to. I feel like every time I bring something up, I get attacked.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  I know. It's always that I feel.

• 59:40Speaker 05

  I feel. I feel.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:45Speaker 05

  I feel. It may not be exactly.

• 59:47Speaker 04

  So you're saying step into the family dynamic using feeling words.

• 59:50Speaker 05

  You have the right to get angry at me or blame me, but I feel.

• 59:57Speaker 01

  I literally hate my boyfriend's music. This would totally be fine if we weren't dating because of course tastes are different and everything. But he always shows me his demos, plays live for me when he's working on something, etc. And I have to sit through the whole thing.

• 1:00:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:09Speaker 01

  I'm struggling here, but I don't want to lie to him. I also don't want to crush his spirits.

• 1:00:12Speaker 04

  Oh, this is a very, because music.

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  Gee.

• 1:00:16Speaker 04

  Fuels. Everything. And if you don't like the music, it's not going to ignite the fuel.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:00:24Speaker 04

  I mean, maybe the fuel gets ignited other ways in this because she didn't elaborate, but she's being very honest. I'm assuming it's a she, could be a he. Is it? Doesn't matter.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  That's unclear.

• 1:00:33Speaker 04

  Doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. This is a tricky one. Nicole?

• 1:00:40Speaker 04

  I feel, I feel, I feel what you are trying to say with your music is not something that resonates with me, but I hope it resonates.

• 1:00:49Speaker 05

  You have the right to make any music you want.

• 1:00:55Speaker 04

  But I feel, I don't know how to help on that one because that's insulting. That, this will crush the person.

• 1:01:00Speaker 05

  Find something you like in it.

• 1:01:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Someone new, maybe.

• 1:01:05Speaker 05

  Give him a bone.

• 1:01:08Speaker 04

  She can't give him the bone because it's not igniting the fire.

• 1:01:13Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  I'm kind of in love with my best friend and I have no idea what to do about it.

• 1:01:19Speaker 04

  Oh, tricky.

• 1:01:21Speaker 01

  I genuinely can't tell if she feels the same because we're both women. So who the fuck can really tell the difference between two people in love and female friendships? Like it's gotten to the point where I just forget that we aren't actually together.

• 1:01:32Speaker 04

  So through text.

• 1:01:36Speaker 04

  Propose something. Just go, you know what? It's a weird thing. I had a feeling for someone and it's a woman.

• 1:01:43Speaker 04

  And then see how the friend responds. You know, the friend is like, oh my God, that's so gross. I can't believe you like a woman.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:49Speaker 04

  Then you know to step out. If someone goes, oh my God, that's amazing. I had a feeling for a woman as well. What was it like? Toe dip and see if that's even something that they're open to.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Also, patience is a virtue.

• 1:02:01Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:02:01Speaker 01

  I don't have it, but it is a virtue.

• 1:02:02Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  Like really and truly.

• 1:02:04Speaker 05

  I don't have a lot of it either.

• 1:02:06Speaker 04

  You don't?

• 1:02:06Speaker 05

  Patience is hard. Yeah.

• 1:02:08Speaker 04

  I have a little too much.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  I feel like you guys have the most patience. You work on film sets all the time.

• 1:02:12Speaker 04

  No, but her, when she says she doesn't have patience, she's got a lot of things to do, see and explore. Like she's like, I'm not gonna, I'm gonna go. She's really brave that way.

• 1:02:22Speaker 01

  Like when you're on location, like you just?

• 1:02:24Speaker 05

  No, I just like, I'm curious and I'm filled with wonder.

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:30Speaker 04

  She's a diamond in the sky.

• 1:02:31Speaker 05

  No, I am. I love like.

• 1:02:33Speaker 04

  Rihanna song.

• 1:02:35Speaker 04

  Like a diamond. Shush. Diamond in the sky. I'm just gonna be the soundtrack to Nicole's life. I'm just gonna be over here singing little vignettes for her.

• 1:02:45Speaker 05

  I'm just listening to all of this.

• 1:02:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm sorry.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  What was it like on set with you guys?

• 1:02:49Speaker 04

  Not this. It was a hard shoot.

• 1:02:55Speaker 04

  I've been telling you. It was hard.

• 1:02:58Speaker 05

  Rose colored glasses.

• 1:02:59Speaker 04

  Oh my God, I'm gonna kill you. I will kill you on, live on this show.

• 1:03:05Speaker 04

  My Jonas pussy will come over here for my. Squidward pussy and now we're gonna do some physical comedy.

• 1:03:17Speaker 01

  Recently, I have been oversharing my business and other people's business a lot.

• 1:03:22Speaker 04

  Oh, stop good. Not good. Stop.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  I don't understand why. I don't think at all when I speak and after my stomach drops because I know I shouldn't have said that.

• 1:03:30Speaker 05

  Pause, count to thirty.

• 1:03:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:32Speaker 05

  Walk out of the room.

• 1:03:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, try your best because you don't want to do that. You don't want someone doing that to you.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:03:38Speaker 04

  Be someone who's a safe person to share business with. And if someone's sharing business with you that you know you can't keep, walk away. Just go, I can't. I'm not, say, I'm not a safe person to give this information to.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  Right. Like I can't hear it. I'll tell someone.

• 1:03:50Speaker 04

  And I know it's enticing. It's really enticing. Someone goes, I've got some tea. Like my daughter from camp, I got so much tea. And I'm like, what is it? And I don't know these kids. So and then after a while I went, I don't need to know.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:59Speaker 04

  That business.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:04:00Speaker 04

  I don't, I don't.

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:01Speaker 04

  I really don't.

• 1:04:02Speaker 01

  My friend's last room.

• 1:04:03Speaker 05

  I think we're quite good at this.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  You're fantastic.

• 1:04:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, anything. I love doing it.

• 1:04:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  I know this is.

• 1:04:09Speaker 04

  We need to be like a therapist talk show like that. We'll come in like every like half a year.

• 1:04:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, you'll come in and we'll do this again.

• 1:04:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  My friend's last roommate moved her boyfriend into our house without asking me.

• 1:04:20Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 1:04:21Speaker 01

  Ooh, obviously I got a lawyer to see if I could break my lease and now she's being horrible to me. She's acting like a seventh grader and sending me videos of them at the bar without me. Additionally, she's only been dating this guy for six months and he's a drug and gambling addict. Please prescribe.

• 1:04:35Speaker 05

  The plot thickens.

• 1:04:36Speaker 04

  Oh, I know what happened here. He spotted her. He wanted, he wanted in on that, got into a living situation because he didn't have a great place to live because he spent all his money from gambling. If he's an addict. He's using the girlfriend to have a place to live. He's now gaslighting and triangulating the three of them so that she turns on the roommate. Maybe this girlfriend will pay for the whole place. I have a place to live. The other one is out since she wants out on a lease. Or if they drive her out, they go, no harm, no foul. You broke your lease. Not our problem.

• 1:05:03Speaker 01

  I actually like, do you think that's probably what happened?

• 1:05:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm telling you, that's exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is. Yeah. And this poor girl is stuck in a really horrific manipulative situation.

• 1:05:14Speaker 05

  Did you hear that question before? Or you just came up with that?

• 1:05:16Speaker 04

  No, no. And sadly, sadly just came bubbling up.

• 1:05:21Speaker 04

  This poor girl's in a really tricky situation.

• 1:05:24Speaker 05

  Get out now.

• 1:05:26Speaker 04

  But if the lease is in her name and if she breaks the lease, it's gonna go on her credit history. It's not fair. So if her friend is listening, you get out. You go out.

• 1:05:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  Hey Jake, an amazing guest. So I have this friend who some days I would say is my best friend. And recently she hung out with a few girls from our friend group and she dead ass spilled like really bad secrets of mine and it obviously pissed me off.

• 1:05:52Speaker 04

  This is Lila. This is my daughter. This is her. This has got to be her. Sounds just like my daughter.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  Is Lila the one spilling the secrets or having the secrets spilled?

• 1:06:01Speaker 04

  Having the secrets spilled.

• 1:06:02Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 1:06:03Speaker 04

  She's, she's a secret spiller too.

• 1:06:04Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I can be as well. I'm the least confrontational person you could ever meet, but I want to say. But I want, but I want to say something to her about it so bad, but I'm just so scared. Help.

• 1:06:15Speaker 04

  Oh, you know what? This is where you just, it's what Nicole says. You say how you feel. Say, it really hurt me that you spent. And this, watch out because if this friend's willing to do that to you behind your back, you asking and being, being very responsible about your feelings, saying this hurt me. Might result in nothing, but at least you tried and now you know who this person is. And this person, if they don't accept you and hear you and make amends, they're gonna do it to you again.

• 1:06:39Speaker 05

  But on the flip side of it, you could fuse a very strong friendship. If you actually get in there, confront, work through it, you could end up stronger and better together.

• 1:06:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  Right. So you can go one way or another.

• 1:06:51Speaker 04

  But she's got at least.

• 1:06:53Speaker 05

  Deal with it. You'll stew on it otherwise.

• 1:06:55Speaker 04

  Yeah. And you might not have those friends in the end. If they go, I don't care. You do it to me.

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  Right. Well, then she'll learn what a narcissist is as well.

• 1:07:03Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 1:07:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, Nicole and Sandra.

• 1:07:06Speaker 04

  My God, this was serious therapy today.

• 1:07:11Speaker 05

  Tell us how you feel.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  I feel.

• 1:07:13Speaker 04

  I'm like, get out. Nicole's like, hold on.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  I honestly feel like really grateful that you guys took your time out of your busy schedule. You guys are like.

• 1:07:22Speaker 04

  You kidding? No, you're, you're giving us a place to like, share something that we really are crazy about, you know? You're giving us a place to be ourselves and to ask excellent questions.

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you.

• 1:07:34Speaker 04

  Show, show your vulnerability. You're a real person. No, but it's, it's really, it makes it easy, right?

• 1:07:40Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 1:07:40Speaker 04

  Because this is not an easy process. Like you feel like you need a shower, but this felt really nice. It feels like, it feels good.

• 1:07:46Speaker 05

  So thanks for having us on your couch.

• 1:07:48Speaker 04

  This is where this is a safe paneled room.

• 1:07:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:51Speaker 04

  Not all dark paneled rooms are safe.

• 1:07:53Speaker 05

  And everything stays within this room.

• 1:07:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:07:56Speaker 04

  I'm just so like, God, if I had an hour and a half to pick your brain, there's always alcohol in the hot tub involved, right?

• 1:08:04Speaker 04

  Nicole, it is, it is dangerous and fulfilling and educational and.

• 1:08:13Speaker 05

  Got a new view or?

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  I think you would love Housewives.

• 1:08:16Speaker 04

  I started with the original Atlanta Housewives.

• 1:08:18Speaker 01

  Okay, Atlanta.

• 1:08:19Speaker 04

  I started, I started with the original. They're the best of the best. Yes.

• 1:08:22Speaker 01

  But Salt Lake City.

• 1:08:23Speaker 05

  That's what I hear.

• 1:08:24Speaker 04

  The Mormon?

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  The Mormons.

• 1:08:25Speaker 04

  Oh, oh, I'm there with you. I'm there for, the drama now with like the serious drama when they had to shut down and all that.

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  It's, it's, they, somebody like gets arrested by the FBI on camera, on camera. Bravo cameras are up and somebody gets arrested by Homeland Security on camera.

• 1:08:42Speaker 04

  Is this recent? Wait, are they back up again?

• 1:08:43Speaker 01

  No, they're, they're, this person just got out of jail. Her name is Jen Shaw. And she would always say, um, it's shamanizing. And then she got arrested by Homeland Security.

• 1:08:54Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:08:54Speaker 05

  I have no idea what you're talking about.

• 1:08:55Speaker 04

  Oh, wait a minute, this isn't the Mormon Wives one.

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  No, no, no, this is Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

• 1:08:59Speaker 04

  Got it, okay.

• 1:09:00Speaker 01

  And it is some of the best television.

• 1:09:02Speaker 04

  Is the hair as good on that one as it is on the Mormon?

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  I don't watch the other one.

• 1:09:06Speaker 04

  You got, you, why?

• 1:09:07Speaker 01

  Because I'm so loyal to my Salt Lake housewives.

• 1:09:10Speaker 04

  There's no, there's no, there's no loyalty.

• 1:09:11Speaker 05

  How many of the Real Housewives are there, like, in terms of?

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  How many franchises?

• 1:09:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:16Speaker 01

  There's Atlanta, there's Beverly Hills, um.

• 1:09:18Speaker 04

  OC?

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  There's OC, there's New York, there's Salt Lake City, there's Rhode Island, which is fantastic.

• 1:09:24Speaker 04

  Is it good?

• 1:09:24Speaker 05

  That's what I hear.

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  There is Miami, there is, um, Potomac.

• 1:09:28Speaker 04

  We should do like a book club, but where we watch all the Housewives. I know, it's, we zoom.

• 1:09:32Speaker 05

  I'd like the book club.

• 1:09:33Speaker 01

  It's a genius character study, like, it's really amazing. These women are like, they bear it all.

• 1:09:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, for acting, it's amazing.

• 1:09:39Speaker 01

  Early, early Beverly Hills is some of.

• 1:09:42Speaker 04

  It's, it's priceless.

• 1:09:43Speaker 01

  It's priceless.

• 1:09:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, because they set the tone.

• 1:09:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:46Speaker 04

  They have in New York.

• 1:09:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:47Speaker 04

  Atlanta, Beverly Hills, New York, they set, it was like, they are the dark triad in the most brilliant way.

• 1:09:52Speaker 05

  You thought it up.

• 1:09:53Speaker 04

  Was it Ryan Seacrest?

• 1:09:54Speaker 01

  Andy, Andy Cohen.

• 1:09:56Speaker 04

  Did he?

• 1:09:56Speaker 01

  Orange, Orange County was the first one. And then it just kind of, I think New Jersey is actually what took it off when Teresa flipped the table. And.

• 1:10:04Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:05Speaker 04

  That was so good.

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  And Scary Island in New York, when they all show up to the island and Kelly Ben Simone has a psychotic break.

• 1:10:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:13Speaker 05

  I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm nodding as though I do.

• 1:10:16Speaker 04

  You have to go on vacation together when there's discord to some rental house that's fabulous and put them all together with alcohol and it's epic.

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  It's genuinely epic.

• 1:10:24Speaker 05

  Yeah. I've watched the Beverly Hills one.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  Oh, it's so good.

• 1:10:28Speaker 05

  Just the last season.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  Oh, just the last one?

• 1:10:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, actually Faith and I watched a tiny bit of it.

• 1:10:31Speaker 04

  Because of the leather, I've noticed, I'm on you, like, I've just started sliding down. You shouldn't do an interview with leather and leather, make a note for that for future guests, don't wear leather. Because I'm like, literally like, hey, Nicole. So she says she wants to be held when she goes home, here I am.

• 1:10:48Speaker 05

  You're so mean.

• 1:10:53Speaker 04

  That was decades ago. You are fine.

• 1:10:56Speaker 05

  I still would like to be held when I go home.

• 1:10:57Speaker 04

  You have children. Hug your mother when this is over.

• 1:11:01Speaker 05

  Two-minute hug every day.

• 1:11:03Speaker 04

  Oh my God, I'm literally on you at this point.

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  Well.

• 1:11:07Speaker 05

  Yes. Yes, anything else you'd like to ask us?

• 1:11:11Speaker 01

  Thank you for being here.

• 1:11:11Speaker 04

  Do we get swag?

• 1:11:13Speaker 01

  I was gonna offer it, I didn't think you wanted it.

• 1:11:14Speaker 04

  Oh my God, yes.

• 1:11:16Speaker 01

  Yes, of course.

• 1:11:17Speaker 04

  I want a hoodie.

• 1:11:17Speaker 01

  I'll give you a hoodie, I'll give your kids hoodies, anything you want, you can take the whole rack.

• 1:11:21Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:11:21Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:11:22Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:11:22Speaker 04

  Wow. Speaking of rack, I'm crushing you right now.

• 1:11:26Speaker 05

  Just my boob.

• 1:11:26Speaker 04

  That's, that's the rack I was talking about, that was the segue.

• 1:11:31Speaker 04

  Bye pussies.

• 1:11:32Speaker 05

  Bye pussies.

• 1:11:32Speaker 04

  Don't be one. No, be one.