Session 141: Towa Bird

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• 0:02Speaker 00

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• 0:41Speaker 01

  Hi pussies, welcome back to Therapist. Tonight, we have on my dear, dear, dear friend, Towa Bird. She is so exceptional as a musician, as a friend. I just adore her. And I'm so grateful I got to talk to her about her new album, Gentleman, which is fantastic. If you have not heard it, you must. She is incredible. Towa, I love you. Thank you for coming on the show. Yes, I did get a buzz cut. And not only did I get a buzz cut, I went back yesterday and I got it shorter. To the point where I was like, maybe I got it a little too short. I keep looking at myself. One thing about a buzz is when you open your camera roll, it is very jarring. But what's even more jarring is how long my hair was before. And that's something to sit on. Well, enjoy the episode.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  I love you pussies. Towa, I love you. Thank you for coming on the show. Go stream her new album, Gentleman, out now.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  Well, no, Towa's my, Towa's my girl. Like, you don't understand.

• 1:38Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  Towa protects me on nights out, like-

• 1:39Speaker 02

  I actually do. I'm like your bodyguard.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  You, Towa and Renee protect me on nights out. Not from anything in specific, just like from life.

• 1:48Speaker 02

  We're, we're like your lesbian moms. We're like just constantly over your shoulder. It's like the devil and the angel, and we sort of take turns.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  You do take turns.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  I did not know you were born in Hong Kong.

• 1:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, fun fact.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  A fun fact, indeed.

• 2:00Speaker 02

  I can't even believe we like haven't discussed this.

• 2:02Speaker 01

  I know, because we all, we, have we ever-

• 2:04Speaker 02

  We're usually just drunk.

• 2:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06Speaker 02

  We're usually drunk.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  Have we ever hung out normally?

• 2:10Speaker 02

  I think, I think, no, I think no. I think no.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  I think no. I think no as well.

• 2:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, we, I think we have tried.

• 2:17Speaker 01

  We've tried.

• 2:17Speaker 02

  And then we have failed.

• 2:19Speaker 01

  I was texting Renee today and she said, if we don't do dinner, like it's, we have to do it soon.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yes.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  We've seen each other at Anna Jack Thai.

• 2:26Speaker 02

  Oh my God, that was so cute.

• 2:28Speaker 01

  That was so cute. It's the best Thai in LA.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  It's so good. That was really cute. That was such a cute day. I remember you were like, I need to leave.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  I, oh, as always.

• 2:37Speaker 02

  But that's like, so your thing, isn't it?

• 2:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, because I eat a lot and then I'm like, I have to go, I have to go, I have to go. Um, have you ever had a Chipotle hangover?

• 2:45Speaker 02

  Are you experiencing that right now?

• 2:46Speaker 01

  I shot out of bed at 2:00 AM, just like my head hurt from the sodium.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  I, so the last, I've had Chipotle maybe once or twice in my life. And the last time I had it, I swore that I would never do it again because of what my body experienced.

• 2:59Speaker 01

  I literally like shot out of bed at 2:00 AM and, because there was so much sodium in it that it felt like I had drank.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, no, you're hungover from Chipotle.

• 3:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:08Speaker 02

  I, I experienced needing to literally shit everything out of my body-

• 3:13Speaker 01

  I wish I had that experience.

• 3:14Speaker 02

  At 2:00 AM. And it was really-

• 3:17Speaker 01

  Not it.

• 3:18Speaker 02

  That was like three years ago. And now I'm a grown and changed man from it.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  How've you been doing? I miss you, mean with my little brace.

• 3:27Speaker 02

  Your tiny little paw. What happened? Should we talk about it?

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  It was because we weren't there to protect you.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  It's because my lesbian mothers were not there.

• 3:35Speaker 02

  That's, that's where you went wrong.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  I know, I know.

• 3:38Speaker 02

  I know.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  But I, like, I think I have tendonitis or something, or something. Like my tendon is super swollen and it's like-

• 3:44Speaker 02

  Oh God.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  I know.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  So it wasn't like-

• 3:47Speaker 01

  It wasn't anything interesting.

• 3:48Speaker 02

  Nothing like happened and then now you have an injury.

• 3:50Speaker 01

  I just woke up and it was like, it was hurting and then it kept hurting and then it just got really swollen.

• 3:56Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  I know.

• 3:57Speaker 02

  I'm so sorry. I hate an injury.

• 3:59Speaker 01

  Like more than anything.

• 4:00Speaker 02

  Okay, last time, one of the last times I saw you, no, maybe this was like the time before last. We were on, on a front porch and I had, I had crutches.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Oh, you did have crutches. I thought you were about to bring up how drunk I got that night because I received multiple texts next morning.

• 4:16Speaker 02

  No, I would never air you out without, without your consent, without your consent. On, this is your house, baby. You, you can talk about whatever you want.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Thank you. Um, you did have crutches.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  I had crutches.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  But you were out.

• 4:26Speaker 02

  And it, I, I mean-

• 4:29Speaker 01

  You were out and about.

• 4:30Speaker 02

  We have to persevere. We cannot let these things like crutches stop us.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  No, and I can't let this stop me.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  But everyone is taking turns on the crutches.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were.

• 4:40Speaker 02

  People were like-

• 4:41Speaker 01

  They were, they were like the toy for the night.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  Did you feel cool on crutches?

• 4:45Speaker 02

  No, it was so uncool.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  What happened again?

• 4:48Speaker 02

  The novelty wore off in like five minutes. And then I was like, fuck, I'm on crutches for real at the club.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was a fun bar.

• 4:56Speaker 02

  It was really fun.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  Have you been back to that bar since?

• 4:58Speaker 02

  No.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  Neither of us. We should, we should do a night.

• 5:00Speaker 02

  We should, we should do a night.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Are you, well, first of all, congrats on the album.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  Thanks, babe. I feel so far away from you.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  I know.

• 5:08Speaker 02

  But this, I'm really on the, I'm on the therapist couch for real.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  You know Renee was like one of the first guests. I think she was the first, she might've been the first person, the first guest I ever recorded with.

• 5:18Speaker 02

  Really?

• 5:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Oh, that's so cute.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  I know, I know, it's so full circle.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  Damn, that's actually a really sweet joke.

• 5:25Speaker 01

  I know, I know.

• 5:27Speaker 02

  You've been doing so many great episodes. Fuck.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  It's been, it's been a lot. Thank you. But are, how, okay, well, congrats on your album.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  Thanks, thanks, girl.

• 5:38Speaker 01

  Are you planning on touring it?

• 5:41Speaker 02

  We'll have to find out.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 5:44Speaker 02

  We'll see, we'll be seeing.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Do you like tour?

• 5:47Speaker 02

  I love tour.

• 5:48Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  I love playing shows. I love playing live. So exciting. I played in LA, like I did a small, like album release show, maybe like two weeks ago. Oh, the album's been out for 10 days. Holy shit, 10 days ago.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was about to say, the album is out.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  Yes, it's out. She's out.

• 6:02Speaker 01

  She's out.

• 6:02Speaker 02

  She's out. She's 10 days, I was gonna say sober. She's 10 days born.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  She's 10 days, she's, uh, she's 10 days old.

• 6:10Speaker 02

  She's 10 days old.

• 6:11Speaker 01

  Um, and how are you feeling about it?

• 6:13Speaker 02

  So like weird, so good and really like excited and grateful. And it does feel like the most accurate representation of who I am right now. But then also the kind of, the up and down of it all where-

• 6:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:29Speaker 02

  You put something out and then you're suddenly susceptible to everybody's reception. And that can feel really, I don't know, it just like decalibrates you for a second. Because you're like so sure about this one thing and then suddenly everyone has an opinion about it. And even if it's overwhelmingly positive, you're like, whoa, wait, this changes how I feel about myself and my value as well as the work.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Do you feel like you need to turn, like get off the apps?

• 6:56Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm not trying to be on the apps, really.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 7:00Speaker 02

  I like post and then I run.

• 7:02Speaker 01

  Run, yeah. Because are you like easily swayed by opinion? Like if I, I like feel like sometimes, like, well, it's very different. I don't put out music, but when I put out something that I think is funny and someone tells me it's not funny, I'll be like, wait, is it not funny?

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Everything you do is funny though, Jake.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  Oh, Towa.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  I actually brought up the, um, the George Washington skit that you did.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  I got into these skits again.

• 7:25Speaker 02

  This was, how many years ago?

• 7:27Speaker 01

  Two?

• 7:28Speaker 02

  Really?

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:29Speaker 02

  Oh God, it feels like a decade.

• 7:30Speaker 01

  It's been a really long time.

• 7:32Speaker 02

  Um, and how that was like so, like one of the funniest pieces of comedy that I had seen.

• 7:38Speaker 01

  Uh, Towa, you're around all the time.

• 7:41Speaker 02

  I was like, you're just like in your house and it's so you. And it's, it's like hanging out with you. I don't know, it's so nice.

• 7:47Speaker 01

  Thank you. But yeah, I, I feel you on like the people receiving things in a way that you didn't think they were going to be received. It's like, it's like, it like keeps you up.

• 7:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it changes the way you feel about your work, but not necessarily in a bad way. It just kind of changes it.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:03Speaker 02

  And so I'm kind of experiencing that where people are receiving it and I'm, I'm like, okay, like, I'm responding to your reception. And that's gotta be okay. Like I just have to kind of accept it.

• 8:16Speaker 01

  It's, I feel like for musicians, what I've like learned is from you guys is like, when you put out a song, like it's not really, it's yours, but it becomes everyone else's. And like everyone else attaches meaning to it. So it must be so, not like weird, but like jarring to have people like attach meaning to a song. Like you meant for the song to go one way and it goes-

• 8:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  Another way, not necessarily bad, but just different.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, but also, yeah, that's also kind of the beauty of it all is like, you can write one song and you be very, very clear about what it is. And someone can interpret it for themselves incredibly differently. And that's also the beauty of doing what we do.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Have you ever interpreted a song so differently than the artist like meant to have it interpreted or?

• 9:04Speaker 02

  Oh my God, that's such a good question. Have you? I'm like trying to think.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  Uh-huh.

• 9:07Speaker 02

  Tell me, tell me yours.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  I'm trying to remember, but I remember speaking to someone once and being like, this is what I, like, this is how I felt about it. And they were like, oh no, that's not what I meant.

• 9:19Speaker 02

  No way. And you were talking to the artist.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  And then I remember like being like, no, that's not, and I, and they were like, but it's cool that you feel that way.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  But that's not like, or, or maybe I had seen them like, they'll do like a BTS of them writing it. And I was like, oh, that's not how I interpret it. I think that's why I like, um, but I've been like on it like a huge Bon Iver kick. And I've been listening to-

• 9:41Speaker 02

  He's so gas.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  So good, so gas.

• 9:43Speaker 02

  He's so good.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  So gas. You know what I've been wanting, trying to incorporate in my vocabulary lately, but I, I can't, for the life of me, do it properly.

• 9:53Speaker 02

  Tell true, Jake.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  Rate it. Do you rate it?

• 9:57Speaker 02

  I'm sold.

• 9:58Speaker 01

  Really?

• 9:58Speaker 02

  It worked. Yeah, it worked on me. I'm charmed.

• 10:01Speaker 01

  Like, I rate Bonnie Bear. Like, that's what I would say. Like, I rate him. I like, love how like, the Brits say that.

• 10:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I rate that.

• 10:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, you know, it sounds very good coming from you. But he gets that's his music is so up for interpretation that like, like, he's just saying something. And like, I saw like a Jacob Elordi interview where he was like, anything that like, he has like, certain sounds and lyrics that like, they just like, make sense to you.

• 10:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  I kind of like you Lana, kind of similarly.

• 10:30Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah. Trap Door Mama.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:33Speaker 02

  Do you know what I'm talking about?

• 10:34Speaker 01

  The Phineas and Billy video?

• 10:36Speaker 02

  Trap Door Mama.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  Trap Door Mama. What, what, what is she saying?

• 10:39Speaker 02

  And like that and like-

• 10:40Speaker 01

  Chateau Marmont.

• 10:42Speaker 02

  That and like, Adele Dazim, those two clips are constantly playing in my head.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  They are two sides of the same coin.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, they really are.

• 10:51Speaker 01

  They, they are.

• 10:52Speaker 02

  And that's, that's the beauty of life.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  That is, that is the beauty of life.

• 10:55Speaker 02

  Trap Door Mama.

• 10:56Speaker 01

  But I've also been listening to like, a lot of like, music that is so obviously not about how I take it. And it's so interesting to hear you say, like, from an artist's perspective, how you receive that.

• 11:07Speaker 02

  I'm gonna costume change real quick.

• 11:09Speaker 01

  Costume change.

• 11:11Speaker 02

  Are you guys lunch people? Do you have lunch?

• 11:13Speaker 01

  I am a dinner person, because I like to eat and go to bed.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 11:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:19Speaker 02

  So there's no break between eating and going to bed?

• 11:20Speaker 01

  No, it's like, remember when I saw you at Ant and Dec, I said, I have to get out of here, because I have to go to bed.

• 11:26Speaker 02

  Is that because you crave like solitude, or do you just want to be lying down?

• 11:29Speaker 01

  I can't, I just, I overdo it, because I smoke every time before, and then I overdo it, I'm like, just time for bed, I gotta go to bed. I can't think about this, I can't think about anything. Bedtime.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  Bedtime. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I personally crave solitude so much. Like, I love being alone. Yeah.

• 11:45Speaker 01

  Have you always been that way?

• 11:46Speaker 02

  I think so, yeah. I think so. I love being alone.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  What about it do you love?

• 11:51Speaker 02

  I get to just like, actually think. I don't know, I feel like I'm such, I'm such a, I'm not really like, an introvert or an extrovert, I'm somewhere in the middle. Like, an ambivert, or whatever it's called.

• 12:01Speaker 01

  Oh, I didn't even know that was a thing.

• 12:03Speaker 02

  Like, I, I love being around people and like, get supercharged off of it, but I also equally love being alone. I also think it's good for like, creative people, because if you're still enough, you actually get the ideas coming through. Like, if you like, sit still enough, if you're, if you're bored, that's when like, the good ideas come through, which is why you hear so many artists being like, came up with it in the shower, like, came up with it, like, waking up is, because your brain is kind of like, you're not really occupied with something else just yet.

• 12:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 12:32Speaker 02

  You're kind of in this place of limbo, and this place of boredom, and then you're able to-

• 12:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:39Speaker 02

  -come up with stuff.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  Do you, when you come up with like, song ideas or melodies, do you like, put them in like, a voice app, or notes, or write it down?

• 12:47Speaker 02

  I'm a notes app girlie.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Your notes app?

• 12:48Speaker 02

  I love a notes app. Huge into notes. My notes app is a fucking mess.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  What, is it, is it different, like, sections, or is it just one straight thing?

• 12:56Speaker 02

  One, it's one. One straight thing. Yeah, it's crazy. But I have like, different notes for different like, parts of my, like, I have like, a working out note, where I put like, do you have that too? No.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have like, different-

• 13:09Speaker 02

  I saw your pull-up video.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  Oh, did you like? That's what, that's kind of what happened with this.

• 13:14Speaker 02

  You were flying, girl.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  I was flying.

• 13:16Speaker 02

  You were flying, you were flinging and flying around.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  I was flying around. I'm trying, I'm really trying to do 12 in a row. I'm really trying to do 12 in a row, it's really hard. I'm gonna try tomorrow, if my wrist feels better. But I don't think it will.

• 13:28Speaker 02

  I don't think I can do a pull-up. I don't think so.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  I think you could.

• 13:32Speaker 02

  I haven't tried in, in many years.

• 13:34Speaker 01

  You're kind of like-

• 13:34Speaker 02

  I'm trying.

• 13:35Speaker 01

  You're kind of ripped.

• 13:36Speaker 02

  Jake, I'm trying.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  You look ripped. Like, you look great.

• 13:39Speaker 02

  That, that is like, the highest form of compliment.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  Well, the first thing, I thought you took off your jacket, I was like, oh my god. Jacked.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  Have you been on a workout grind?

• 13:50Speaker 02

  Yes, I have. I feel like my whole life is kind of, I'm like, a sports gal.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 13:54Speaker 02

  I grew up playing sports, so my whole life is a, um, football, soccer.

• 13:59Speaker 01

  I knew you, I, I, by the way, and I knew you were gonna say that.

• 14:02Speaker 02

  Why? Do I get that?

• 14:03Speaker 01

  Because like, everyone that doesn't live in the United States plays football, soccer.

• 14:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I feel like so many, especially so many women play football here. It's so cool.

• 14:13Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, it's a huge, it's huge for women here. It's huge. I hear women's soccer far more than I hear about men's soccer in the US.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  It's, I love that. It's so cool to me, because it's such a male-dominated sport, where I grew up.

• 14:25Speaker 01

  And where did you primarily grow up?

• 14:27Speaker 02

  So I was kind of like, back and forth between Hong Kong and Thailand for like, the first like, 16 years of my life.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  That's so cool.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  It's really cool. Yeah.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  I've been dying to go to both places. I've never been.

• 14:38Speaker 02

  Really?

• 14:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've never-

• 14:39Speaker 02

  That surprises me.

• 14:40Speaker 01

  I, I'm not the best-traveled person in the entire world. I really, I'm desperate to go to Thailand.

• 14:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's amazing. I'm going for, my best friend is getting married, um, in like, February of next year. I'm gonna go to her wedding.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  What's, like-

• 14:55Speaker 02

  And I'm gonna stand.

• 14:56Speaker 01

  I know this sounds-

• 14:57Speaker 02

  I'm gonna make it about me, she doesn't know that yet.

• 14:58Speaker 01

  Oh, well, that's the point of wedding. You're like, why else would you go?

• 15:01Speaker 02

  It's like, this is your only, this is your, this is the best day of your life, this is your-

• 15:07Speaker 01

  Well, if you're asking me to make a speech, like-

• 15:09Speaker 02

  She hasn't asked me to do that, because she knows that I'm gonna make it about myself.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  Well, you have to. What did growing up in, between Thailand and Hong Kong, like, look like for you? Like, what did that, like, what, what brought you between both places?

• 15:21Speaker 02

  My, my parents. I think they're, they're both kind of quite nomadic people in nature. Like, they, they're really curious, and they like to move around a lot. Like, they both moved away from their homes to Hong Kong when they were in their early twenties, too. So they, they just like to explore. And, you know, it wasn't necessarily like, their jobs that made them do that, it was just like, the way that they are as people. And I think, you know, I've lived in four countries, and I think they've probably rubbed that off on me a little bit.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  What do you notice is the biggest difference in Americanized Thai food and Chinese food than the actual, like, Chinese food and Thai food in the countries?

• 16:03Speaker 02

  I feel like they're, they're almost like, different things. Like, they, it doesn't even necessarily feel like a similar-

• 16:11Speaker 01

  It's like a separate cuisine entirely.

• 16:13Speaker 02

  It's kind of like a separate cuisine, and both of them are so good, but it just feels a little bit different. I feel like Thai is a little bit closer.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  But like, American and like, British Chinese food versus like, Hong Kong Chinese food feel quite separate.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  I don't, I think, I guess it's like, immigrant, like, Chinese families had to basically figure out a way that they could cook for, like, the white palate as well, and like, kind of make a business, um, as well as like, integrating their culture.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  So I feel like it's different, and it's, it's both amazing, and like, yeah.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  Do you have a dish, a favorite dish from Hong Kong that they don't serve here in the States or Thailand?

• 16:57Speaker 02

  Oh my god, that's such a good question. I feel like I haven't had like, egg waffles that have been really good here, yet. Like, uh, Hong Kong-style egg waffles. They're like, these little, I don't even know how to describe it. It's, it's, I need to like, show you a picture. It's, they're, they're gorgeous. They're delish.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  I want to go to Hong Kong so badly.

• 17:17Speaker 02

  And you can just like, get them from like, the auntie on the side of the road, and it's the best thing you've ever tasted.

• 17:23Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm so jealous that you got to like, experience.

• 17:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yes, her.

• 17:29Speaker 01

  Let me see?

• 17:30Speaker 02

  Her. Like, you wouldn't think that-

• 17:32Speaker 01

  Ooh, that looks amazing. Oh my god, that looks amazing.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's, it's really good. And then you can like, put little, they will sometimes fill them with like, Nutella, or like, whatever, condensed milk.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  Would you say like, dim, dim sum is a more Americanized version of-

• 17:48Speaker 02

  No, that's, that's very much like, traditional.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  Okay, because I love dim sum.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Where do you go to get like, do you ever, do you have any places that you go to get like, traditional Chinese food here?

• 17:59Speaker 02

  Honestly, like, not really. Like, I almost, I almost wait, because I go home quite a lot.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  And your parents are in-

• 18:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, my parents are in Hong Kong, so I kind of just like, I just hold out, and, but, um, Chifa is really good. It's not, it, it's like, um, a fusion of Cantonese and Peruvian food. The guy who's helped me like, creative direct this whole rollout, he owns Chifa. Umberto, Umberto Leon.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  I know him, he does Cats Eye as well.

• 18:29Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 18:30Speaker 02

  Dude, he's the best.

• 18:31Speaker 01

  He's awesome. I met his kids.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  I saw them at the Cats Eye show.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  So they're two, the two like, cutest, oh, I'm obsessed with them.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  I didn't know you were doing your creative direction.

• 18:42Speaker 02

  They always have a set on. Their nails are always amazing.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  Really?

• 18:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. They're like 12, and they always are like, setted.

• 18:50Speaker 01

  I wish I was doing my nails like that at 12, I was just painting them.

• 18:53Speaker 02

  You were painting them?

• 18:53Speaker 01

  I was. My friend, my, my, my, because I, I don't know if I like, I want to commit to the full polish now, but my friend, what he does is he'll get shiny buff on his nails, and he'll get a different color on his feet every time, because you can't see the feet most of the time.

• 19:09Speaker 02

  You should see my feet, it's crazy down there.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  Really?

• 19:12Speaker 02

  It's crazy down there.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  Like, what do you mean crazy?

• 19:14Speaker 02

  So I got, I got, this is kind of nasty. No, maybe it's not. Actually, maybe it's not.

• 19:19Speaker 01

  I mean, I just told you that I had a Chipotle hangover, so.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  So I got, I got a, like, a gel manicure, or pedicure on my, on my little tozzies, and it has stayed for so many months.

• 19:34Speaker 01

  That's the point, gel.

• 19:36Speaker 02

  And I'm like, I didn't ask for gel, but then suddenly I was getting gel, and like, the little light on my, on my feet.

• 19:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:44Speaker 02

  And they're like, so Renee actually chose the color, because I was like, girl, whatever you want. Like, you know, you have to look at my feet all the time, so like, just decorate them how you want. And she was like, I want them to be like, pink sparkly. So they're like, so they're like, Pepto Bismol pink. They're like, the most outrageous color of pink I've ever seen.

• 20:05Speaker 01

  I've been in a pink phase lately, so-

• 20:08Speaker 02

  Six months.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  Six, six months?

• 20:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  You've had the same color for six months?

• 20:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm like, I, well, I need to go back to the salon to get them taken off, but I'm like, at this point, I might as well just ride this shit out.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  No, you ride it for as long as you can, that's, and they haven't chipped?

• 20:20Speaker 02

  I just keep trimming them down.

• 20:22Speaker 01

  And they haven't chipped. And they have, they have the roots of the nail grown out?

• 20:25Speaker 02

  The roots are like, it's like, over halfway.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  Got it. So it's like, roots and a hair, totally.

• 20:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what I mean by, yeah, overshare.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, I, I've made a career out of oversharing.

• 20:38Speaker 02

  That's, but that's also what I do with you all the time, whether or not we're in the setting.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  Right, exactly. Um, so you watch Paradise?

• 20:46Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  I'm so glad we get to talk about this.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  You know, it's my favorite, it's been my favorite show.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  Renee was like, because you guys watch it together?

• 20:56Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 20:56Speaker 01

  She was like, this is the best show I've ever seen.

• 20:58Speaker 02

  She'll be mad if I, if I like do an episode without her, she would be mad.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  So are you?

• 21:02Speaker 02

  I wouldn't even, I wouldn't dare.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Are you caught up?

• 21:04Speaker 02

  I wouldn't dare. Yeah, yeah, I think, I, yeah, like, he runs through the.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. What'd you think of the finale?

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  Amazing. You know, they're only doing three seasons.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  I know, so next season's the last.

• 21:17Speaker 02

  Wait, I'm grieving.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  I know already.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  This is really sad.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  I know.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  What do you think's gonna happen? Do you have any predictions?

• 21:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, I think it's all about time travel and he is Sinatra's son in a different dimension that has fallen into this dimension.

• 21:33Speaker 02

  He is so hot.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  The hottest person to ever watch.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  He is so hot. I'm like, how do I look like that?

• 21:38Speaker 01

  No, I, and see that, I want to look like that.

• 21:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  Like, in another life, I was born his height with his body proportions. Like, that would be amazing for me personally.

• 21:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I wish that I could grow a beard like that. Imagine.

• 21:50Speaker 01

  Have you ever tried to grow a beard?

• 21:52Speaker 02

  Nothing's happening.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 21:54Speaker 02

  I'm in a place of stasis, unfortunately, with my beard, like.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  Have you wanted to?

• 21:58Speaker 02

  There's no movement. Grow a beard?

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:02Speaker 02

  Just for a vibe?

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:04Speaker 02

  It would be kind of fun to have a little beard.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  Oh, I hate how fast my facial hair grows.

• 22:08Speaker 02

  Really?

• 22:09Speaker 01

  I have to shave every two days.

• 22:10Speaker 02

  You could have the beard.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  I could, and I, so we should swap.

• 22:12Speaker 02

  You should have the beard for me.

• 22:14Speaker 01

  Really?

• 22:14Speaker 02

  Or we could be each other's beards.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:17Speaker 02

  In another life, we're married and we're each other's beards.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  And you just take care of me, as you do on an Idaho.

• 22:22Speaker 02

  I know. And I hold you like this every night and I rock you to bed.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  That's what I want. Like, I will, like, I don't think the viewers understand just how much time Towa, Renee, me, Peyton and Julia have spent together.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  Oh, dude, I ran into Peyton in New York.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  Is she not the best?

• 22:39Speaker 02

  I feel like, I don't know if this is an accurate read of her, but the amount of joy that emanates off this person.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:47Speaker 02

  I'm like, like, every day is the best day ever.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  She really tries to make it such, even if it's not.

• 22:53Speaker 02

  It's so great.

• 22:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, she's really also just so funny. And so her and Renee together, when they're in the room together, like, I, like, just, I laughed the entire time.

• 23:03Speaker 02

  No, and I, also, I don't want to talk because I don't want to take up any more room than I already am. Like, it's their show and I just get to watch it, like.

• 23:10Speaker 01

  When's your birthday?

• 23:11Speaker 02

  March 30th.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  You're an Aries.

• 23:13Speaker 02

  I'm an Aries.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:14Speaker 02

  What are you?

• 23:15Speaker 01

  I'm a Scorpio.

• 23:17Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:18Speaker 02

  I feel like we're kind of unpredictable, like, our signs don't necessarily match up with our personalities.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  I don't think I am, I'm very Scorpio. Well, I, are you into astrology?

• 23:27Speaker 02

  Kind of.

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Well, we're both Year of the Bunny or Rabbit.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  We are, because we're both 1999.

• 23:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  I, like, that's, yeah. Do you, like, believe in, like, Chinese astrology?

• 23:39Speaker 02

  A little bit. I like, we'll, we'll read into that a little, a little bit more. Like, my mom gets the, like, thick book every, like, they put out this big book. And if you're from Hong Kong, maybe you know what I'm talking about, but like, there's this author called Peter Seo, and he writes this thick ass book about the whole year.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  Every year?

• 24:00Speaker 02

  Every year, and about like what animal you are and what horoscope you are and like what it'll be for you that year.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 24:06Speaker 02

  And so she buys the book every year. And so we, in our house, like, or in their apartment where they live in Hong Kong, they have like.

• 24:14Speaker 01

  All the books from all the years?

• 24:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm fascinated.

• 24:18Speaker 02

  It is fascinating.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  Peter writes the same book every year, but a different book, but.

• 24:21Speaker 02

  Peter's like grinding. He has not taken a year off. I'm like, are you a kid?

• 24:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, but like, how does Peter know?

• 24:27Speaker 02

  Take a hiatus, girl.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  Like, how does Peter know?

• 24:29Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 24:30Speaker 01

  Like, what are his qualifications?

• 24:31Speaker 02

  I don't know. That's, that, these are also the questions that I sort of have that I quietly keep to myself.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  My thing with astrology is sometimes I feel like they're very broad statements that can apply to anyone and I'm like.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  And then you're like, mm, yeah, that's me.

• 24:45Speaker 01

  But like, you know what? If it makes life make sense a little more that day, then whatever. Like, my friend broke up with her boyfriend, got, like, her co-star was like. I know, it is breakup season. Everyone's breaking up.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  It's so, I'm scared for everybody right now.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:01Speaker 02

  It's really sad.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  It's sad, but I, like, don't feel any type of way about it because I've been single forever, so I'm just like, whatever.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  You're like, you're doing your thing.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  I'll be a good friend, but I'm like.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  But why is it cyclical? I always feel like breakup season happens and then three years later, breakup season happens again.

• 25:17Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 25:18Speaker 02

  Like, I always feel like it's, that there'll be like two or three months where everyone breaks up and then it sort of phases.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  The domino effect. I feel like, I feel like someone sees one person do it and then they do it and then they do it and then they, it's like a trend.

• 25:31Speaker 02

  Really?

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Like, that's like, people get inspired by other people's breakups and they maybe have been wanting to break up and then do it because they see someone else break up.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 25:41Speaker 01

  It's funny when it happens in the celebrity world, because you're like, oh my God, are you guys like all talking? Like, you know what I mean? Because remember, you know how it happens, like, with, in celebrity culture, like, it happens, like, you say every three years, all the celebrity couples break up?

• 25:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:52Speaker 01

  I feel like it's the same.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  Really?

• 25:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I don't know if they talk to each other, but they definitely get inspired.

• 25:58Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  That is, I'm literally having like a profound moment where I'm like, whoa, is, this is, this is a thing.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  It must be.

• 26:06Speaker 02

  That I was completely naive to.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  What celebrity couple that if they broke up, you would be so upset by?

• 26:11Speaker 02

  I think it would be Aesop and Rihanna for me.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  Oh, yes. I love them together.

• 26:16Speaker 02

  I think I would also, I would have to kill myself, unfortunately. I'd have to also go with the break, with the relationship, with the relationship I'm sending myself off the ship.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  I do love them together. They're so like, they're, then they make the best public appearances. I'd be upset about Dua Lipa and Callum Turner.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  You don't agree? I feel like they. No, I agree. I, I, I like them together. They're always on vacation.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Dude, I want to be going on vacation.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  I guess when you like travel so much with work, it's hard to see like travel.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  The difference?

• 26:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's hard to see travel as something to be excited about, which is such like.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  Well, we know Renee is not excited about travel.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  I'm still trying to enjoy it. I'm still, still trying to have that like childlike wonder about it where I'll get on a plane and be like, oh my God, this is crazy that we're all just flying in this tube.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  I used to be so excited to go to the airport when I was a kid.

• 27:09Speaker 02

  Oh, me too.

• 27:10Speaker 01

  I'd be like, oh my God, I'm going to the airport, I'm traveling.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  And then traveling internationally, it's like, whoa.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Holy shit, we're, like, passport is happening.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Oh, I think when you land in a country you've never been before, it is like the coolest feeling. Like, it's like this out of body experience that you have where you're like, oh my God. It's like, you're like starstruck by a place.

• 27:30Speaker 02

  I know, and I feel like that is, that sensation is slowly being, it's like slowly fading away from me because I'm traveling so much. And I feel like you must relate to that too.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think I felt that way the most, though, when I traveled to, where was it? I think I was like, oh, it was when I went to Tokyo. And I went to Tokyo for the first time and I landed in Japan and it was this year and I just remember being like, I cannot believe I am in Japan.

• 28:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  Like, I can't believe I wanted to go here my entire life and I'm finally here 26 years later and I'm here. And then I've also felt that way when I was in London and I went for the first time when I was like 22.

• 28:12Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:12Speaker 01

  And they, all they, they were all driving on the other side of the road and I just thought it was like, it's like the little things like that that I just thought were like the coolest things ever.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  It's, it's really trippy. It's really trippy to go and like everything is swapped.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  In Hong Kong and Thailand, you, it's the same side of the road though as here, right?

• 28:28Speaker 02

  No, it's the other side.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  It's the other side?

• 28:30Speaker 02

  It's the like UK side of the road.

• 28:32Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  So did you have to relearn how to drive?

• 28:36Speaker 02

  Well, so that, that's the thing. I, I took, I took my test in the UK when I was like 21. And I also learned how to drive manual because everything is stick in the UK or in, in most of Europe, I feel like. So I think driving here was actually so much easier because everything's automatic. And like the whole city is built for and around cars, whereas in London, driving is like hellish.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  You take the metro here, though?

• 29:04Speaker 02

  I have a couple of times for sure. I'm like, I'm try, I'm like actively trying.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  I know you are. Have you tried the new train?

• 29:11Speaker 02

  The D.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, have you?

• 29:12Speaker 02

  Ride the D.

• 29:16Speaker 02

  I have not taken the D yet because it's, it's a little like out of my way.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  Where is the D? Where does the D drive?

• 29:22Speaker 02

  I think the D.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  Run.

• 29:24Speaker 02

  I know, I definitely know it's hitting Lakma.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Okay, is that the big pull of the D?

• 29:29Speaker 03

  I just rode the D.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  You just rode the D? And tell us about your experience.

• 29:34Speaker 03

  I had so much fun.

• 29:35Speaker 02

  Apparently it's so clean.

• 29:36Speaker 03

  It was the first time I'd ever.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  Oh, clean?

• 29:39Speaker 02

  Ridden the D.

• 29:40Speaker 03

  Ridden the D.

• 29:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  Uh-huh.

• 29:42Speaker 03

  The D line is quite clean and they have really cool art installations.

• 29:47Speaker 01

  On the D?

• 29:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  They have like art?

• 29:49Speaker 03

  Well, like in the train station.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  Oh, got it, got it, got it.

• 29:55Speaker 02

  Citrusy food or like spicy food, I get like really hot, like my body overheats and I get a little.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  That's an allergy.

• 30:03Speaker 02

  A little sweat. Like sometimes I'll eat an orange and start sweating and be like, wait, what?

• 30:07Speaker 01

  You're allergic. You're allergic.

• 30:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, to be honest, I came here to find that out.

• 30:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I'm glad that you've left with.

• 30:15Speaker 02

  With now I am allergic to citrus.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  And you don't need to see a doctor.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  You just know.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  Thank God.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  I know. I hate going to the doctors and I used to not hate it. I hate it now. I like dread it. I'm like scared something's gonna show up. I've like reached that age where I'm like, I'm scared.

• 30:28Speaker 02

  Health anxiety.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I recently, if I've had it and I've never had health anxiety before, which is crazy. Do you have?

• 30:35Speaker 02

  Do you, do you Google? Are you Googling?

• 30:37Speaker 01

  Well, okay, here's why I can't Google anymore. So WebMD used to be the real issue for me where I would like go down like spirals. But now that Google gives you like an AI overview of shit, like it will tell me I have like a million different diseases. So I, I can't. I'll, what I will do is call the doctor's office.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  Oh, that's good.

• 30:57Speaker 01

  I'll call the doctor's office before anything because I can't, I can't go down a road.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  It's crazy that healthcare is not free here.

• 31:07Speaker 01

  Um, it is the craziest thing of all time. It's despicable. Healthcare, the healthcare system here is so horrible. Like I remember that being like a constant theme throughout my life. Like if my mom had work, like, like that's how we would like, cause healthcare is so expensive.

• 31:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:25Speaker 01

  So if my mom had like a stable job, like we would have stable healthcare, but if not, like you don't.

• 31:30Speaker 02

  That, like hearing, hearing stories about this, like in the US is, is very.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  It's horrible. Like people are like, like you, people like don't wanna call the ambulance or call like for help because they're scared. Like it, the bill will be so extravagant, cause it will.

• 31:45Speaker 02

  That's, that's, that's really wild, especially like the ambulance thing and like the, the emergency room of it all is, I mean, all of it's insane, but yeah.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  It's like, it costs money to give birth. Like, isn't that crazy?

• 31:59Speaker 02

  Wow. I like, I'm just like so thankful that I had the NHS in, in the UK. Like that's, uh, which is the, the healthcare that.

• 32:06Speaker 01

  And so healthcare is free for everyone in the UK. Yeah. That's how it should be.

• 32:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I think especially a lot of Europe, like the Scandinavians have it locked in. Have you been to Scandinavia? Have you been to like Sweden, Norway?

• 32:18Speaker 01

  No, I, I really wanna go. I've been on a layover and I think Sweden.

• 32:22Speaker 02

  It's amazing.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  I know. I've heard it's just the best place in the world.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  Also, everyone's hot.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 32:27Speaker 02

  The outfits are amazing. The food is incredible. The weather is like really nice. Everything works. Everything's clean. Free healthcare.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. I wanna go.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  You should go.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  I wanna go to Sweden. We're going to Germany in, um, August for the, for the Katches candy and yeah, I'm really excited. I've never been to Germany. We're going to Dusseldorf.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  Well, Towa, what are you therapist about today?

• 32:54Speaker 02

  Is this a question that you ask all of your guests?

• 32:56Speaker 01

  Renee's answer for the first time ever, well, for the, I think she was the very first there. I think I asked her like for the first time what she was therapist about and her answer was, um, the trend where if your girlfriend brings you an orange, do you remember this trend?

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Oh my God.

• 33:09Speaker 01

  That was, do you remember that? That she went on a whole tangent about that. So yeah, I did. Yes. But yes, I ask everyone.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  Okay. So I, I have, I have my answer ready for you. And I was kind of therapist about it this morning.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  Tell me.

• 33:23Speaker 02

  So it's a little poignant. Like it's kind of on the tip of my tongue. I have found out that one of my pet peeves is when people interrupt me or others, especially others.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  You know I do that really bad?

• 33:42Speaker 02

  No, you don't.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  Yes, I do.

• 33:43Speaker 02

  You're such a good listener.

• 33:44Speaker 01

  What?

• 33:45Speaker 02

  This whole time we haven't, you haven't not interrupted me once.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  Oh, Towa, you're mistaken. I've caught myself interrupting you a few times.

• 33:52Speaker 02

  Okay then, well then.

• 33:53Speaker 01

  Well, as long as you didn't notice, I don't give a shit.

• 33:55Speaker 02

  But especially when it's like someone who's a little shy and they're not the loudest voice in the room and they're like telling, it's when they're telling a story.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  Do you know what I mean? They're telling a story and it's like, they have the floor and like someone just keeps interrupting them and, or like finishing their sentences for them. And I'm like, let them speak.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Why, why this morning were you, did you discover was it annoyed you?

• 34:21Speaker 02

  I was just, I was thinking about all of the people in my life who interrupt me. I was like, I was like, why, why do they do that? Like what is, what is the urge to like finish a sentence for another person?

• 34:33Speaker 01

  I think it's a form of narcissism. And I also think it's for me, a form of excitement.

• 34:40Speaker 02

  I, well, okay. So that's the, that's a, I guess I should clarify. It's not all, it's not all interrupters. It's a, it's, it's when, when it feels like it comes from a place of my voice is more important than yours.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 34:53Speaker 02

  Rather than.

• 34:54Speaker 01

  And you can always tell.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. Rather than I'm so excited about what you're saying. So I like wanna add to the conversation and kinda like keep it moving. I think that's different.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  Very valid thing to be therapist about.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  I've been working on it every day.

• 35:08Speaker 02

  Really?

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. She checks me every time. She'll say, stop, you really have to stop interrupting your guests.

• 35:13Speaker 02

  Okay. So then maybe, maybe, but that, I think that's the distinction because I've never felt like you're a big interrupter at all. So I think, I think yours comes from a place of like, I'm just like giddy and happy and I wanna be involved.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  Yes. I'm never like, I'm interrupting this person to take their moment.

• 35:30Speaker 02

  Yes. Whereas I think for some people, it's very much that.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  And especially when I see it happen in front of me, I hate it.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  Are you a confrontational person? Like would you say, like, why'd you just interrupt them?

• 35:44Speaker 02

  No, I'm not a confrontational person. So I just have to be resentful about it instead and like be quietly like.

• 35:51Speaker 01

  Furious.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  Furious.

• 35:52Speaker 01

  What, what else are you?

• 35:54Speaker 02

  I'm trying to be more confrontational though.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  Really?

• 35:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'm trying to call bitches out.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  I can't. It terrifies me. I had a whole therapy thing about it today where I was like, it's like, is calling this person not even worth my time?

• 36:07Speaker 02

  Right.

• 36:08Speaker 01

  Like, do you know what I mean? It's like literally wasting my breath.

• 36:10Speaker 02

  I do also think like my version of calling people out, by the way, would never be like, it would be like, hey, by the way, the way you said that really hurt my feelings. Like it would not be. I would not be clocking anyone's tea. It would literally just be like, but I'm really sorry to like inconvenience you by saying that. And I hope that that doesn't ruin your day.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Right. It's funny cause you're dating one of the more confrontational people I've ever met in my entire life.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. But that's why.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  And she would be proud to hold that title, my ad.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  That's why we, that's why it works.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  Like it's perfect. Like if I have a problem, I, and I need someone like, if I'm, if I, if it's a night out and I have a problem with someone, like I know I can run to Renee and be like, I need you to help me here. And she would literally be like, I'm so glad you asked.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  Like with pleasure.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  With pleasure.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  To the point where I will not be having a problem with someone, but she will think that they have looked at me a certain way and will be having a problem with them for me. And I'm like, there is something happening that I'm.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  When the gum, when she starts chewing the gum.

• 37:14Speaker 02

  When the gum starts going.

• 37:14Speaker 01

  When the gum starts going.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  And then it's the like.

• 37:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, and sometimes the finger comes out. That's when you know.

• 37:21Speaker 02

  Oh, the finger.

• 37:22Speaker 01

  The finger.

• 37:22Speaker 02

  The finger is fucked.

• 37:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. The finger is like.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  What, something that like my friends and I make fun of her for is when she is having a conversation with the person that she's angry about in her head, but is talking to you.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  I do that too. And people think I'm angry at them. And I'm like, no, I'm really angry at the situation.

• 37:45Speaker 02

  Like she's very much like, you motherfucker. You fucking, she'll be like, you motherfucker, you fucking cunt.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  And you're like, but I think that's why I love her so much. Cause I know she's not talking to me.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  What the hell did I do?

• 37:57Speaker 01

  Like I know she's not talking at me when.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  It's so good. It's so good. Like she's in the moment.

• 38:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:04Speaker 02

  With you and you get to be like.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  She's just a theater kid at heart. It's the theater kid in her.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  That's what it is. And I'm not a theater kid at all. I did not grow up doing theater. I don't have any friends who have done theater, like from my home.

• 38:19Speaker 01

  You know what is so interesting that I actually recently discovered about you is that you basically came into this career by posting literally one TikTok video. It was like the first TikTok video you ever posted. So were, were you used?

• 38:36Speaker 02

  Wait, that luck was crazy, by the way.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  What?

• 38:38Speaker 02

  That it was one TikTok that.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  Well, you're talented. So of course it was gonna happen.

• 38:43Speaker 02

  Thanks.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  Well, it's true. Did you become accustomed to this sort of like instant gratification that TikTok brought that then putting out like a real body, like a full body of work? Doesn't quite give you current, or were you able to balance the two?

• 38:59Speaker 02

  Oh man, that's such a good question. I mean, I feel like, I, I feel like I separate them very, very much in my head. Like doing TikToks and posting on social media does not. Cause this feels like long, like I spent a year doing, just writing this album. And then like I started in February of 2025 and it's like, what, May 2026? So it's, it feels so long term. Like it feels like a commitment. Like it's a baby. Whereas a TikTok, I'll spend five minutes making.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 39:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. Like the longest amount of time is maybe like an hour.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Did you ever struggle with the slower pace of like an album cycle as opposed to like, just like, cause you can put anything out on TikTok and have like immediate reactions?

• 39:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure. Oh, I see what you mean. I see what you mean. Um. I kind of hate the immediacy of TikTok.

• 39:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:49Speaker 02

  Like, it doesn't allow for any, like, space or, like, slow processing. Like, with, with an album. I feel like you watch a TikTok and then you never see it again.

• 39:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  You know, like, it never feeds you the same information again. Whereas for music, it's so, like, or with any art, really, like, movies, film, television, anything, it's so, like, consistently, you can watch the movie three or four times, you can listen to the album for the, the rest of your life. Whereas, like, you don't go back and watch the same TikTok over and over again.

• 40:19Speaker 01

  There's only a few TikToks that I will go back to.

• 40:21Speaker 02

  The George Washington one being one of them.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  Well, thank you so much. But I think, yeah, but I know what you mean. It's like, it has to really be a special,

• 40:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  special TikTok to go back to it twice.

• 40:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, I don't know, I, I see them so separately, but, like, yeah, I don't even, the, the immediacy of the, the gratification that comes from TikToks, I, it doesn't feel, like, very much to me. Like, it, it doesn't feel su- super, like, meaningful. Whereas, like, the, the reception that I get from an album feels so meaningful.

• 40:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:54Speaker 02

  Like, that feels so, I'm so sensitive and so, like, vulnerable to it. Whereas TikToks, I'm like,

• 41:00Speaker 01

  Fuck it. If you hate it, then you hate it.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  Do you, what are you listening to right now? And also, I, I don't know why this question popped into my head, but when you were talking about, like, going back to an album, I was like, I wonder what your favorite album of all time is that you always go back to?

• 41:14Speaker 02

  Um, the Beatles album, Abbey Road, but the B-side of the vinyl. Those four little lesbians are cooking back down.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  I know. Are you excited for the Beatles biopic?

• 41:24Speaker 02

  Oh, I don't know. Mixed feelings.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  It's nerve, it's nerve-wracking. Biopics are always nerve-wracking.

• 41:30Speaker 02

  Their little haircuts. I saw, like,

• 41:35Speaker 02

  their little haircuts.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  Their little haircuts. But you know, you know a biopic that I watched and I was like, or a biopic that I really want to have been made yesterday is the Madonna biopic.

• 41:48Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:49Speaker 01

  I need it. And I think Julia Gardner is playing Madonna.

• 41:51Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  And I'm, like, so sad for it. I like,

• 41:55Speaker 02

  Oh, that's gonna be so good. She's so talented.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  So interesting.

• 41:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, this is an artist that I, like, I'm not as familiar with as maybe, oh, really?

• 42:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm not, and I want to be. So that's why I'm, like, really interested in, like, I used to watch, like, uh,

• 42:11Speaker 02

  She's so sick, Julia Gardner.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  So sick.

• 42:13Speaker 02

  And Madonna, of course. Obviously, but I don't, I don't have to, yeah, I don't have to say that.

• 42:18Speaker 01

  I, I used to watch on, like, MTV or VH1, they would have, like, um, like, the, an hour-long, like, story, Hollywood Storytime of, like, how, like, an artist came to be. And I, I remember watching one on Mariah Carey. She should have a biopic. Her life is fascinating.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  Her, the way that she sings is, wow, her voice is amazing. I just watched a TikTok of, of, like, her singing and, like, it was maybe, like, five minutes long and,

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, she has the, the voice of an angel.

• 42:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  I used to be such a, I mean, I am, I am, I had, used to be in, like, the biggest Mariah face when I was in high school.

• 42:57Speaker 02

  She's so,

• 42:59Speaker 01

  She has bangers.

• 42:59Speaker 02

  Nasty with it. She's so, her voice is so crazy.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  And her pen game is underrated. She writes all her own tracks.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Tracks.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:08Speaker 02

  I'm like,

• 43:09Speaker 01

  She writes all her own music.

• 43:10Speaker 02

  You just kind of became straight.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did. I don't know why. Are, are you still hot? I'm still hot.

• 43:15Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm a little hot, but I'm kind of,

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Less hot than you were?

• 43:18Speaker 02

  I'm enjoying it.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 43:20Speaker 02

  Again, it's reminding me of my, like, hot room Pilates situation that I had this morning.

• 43:25Speaker 01

  I don't go to hot Pilates enough, and I should, because every time I do go, I'm like, I feel like I've touched God.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  It's, it's amazing.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  And I, I do have to say, like, this morning was especially amazing because my friend took me to her, like, studio, and I had never been there before. And the instructor, amazing, just maybe, like, barely five foot, like, skin tight leggings, just this little guy. And he, it was, like, literally his stage. And he was like, he was like, step, like, downward dog, step right through Warrior One into Warrior Two.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  He played a really good Pilates voice.

• 44:06Speaker 02

  Everything was rhyming. And I was like, your flow is amazing.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  And what do they say? They say, they say, and one, two, what do they say? Like, into savasana? Like, what are they, what is the one thing that they'll always say?

• 44:18Speaker 03

  Savasana at the end?

• 44:20Speaker 01

  No, but they'll be like,

• 44:21Speaker 02

  Into the, the, like, upward dog?

• 44:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, the chaturanga, chaturanga.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  I don't even know. I haven't done Pilates in, in, in a long time, and I need to.

• 44:30Speaker 02

  But it was, like, the, this yoga flow where he was, he was just, like, spitting so much game. And I was like, wow, this is really just your world and we're living it. And also, kind of, at the same time, I'm like, what in the LA fuck is happening to me right now?

• 44:42Speaker 01

  I used to want to be a SoulCycle instructor when I was a kid.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  It's a, that's a cult.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, that, no, that's a cult.

• 44:50Speaker 02

  I'm like, sign me up for the cult.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I mean, did, were you ever a SoulCycle person?

• 44:55Speaker 02

  I don't think I've ever been to a SoulCycle class. And I, like, hope to keep that the same until my, my last breath.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  They, they got me for a while. My mom was like, what are you going to? And I was like, I don't know, but I have to go. They used to have SoulCycle, like, warehouse merch sales, where, like, they would have an entire warehouse of SoulCycle merch, and it would be on sale.

• 45:18Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 45:18Speaker 01

  And I would go with all my friends, and I wore this SoulCycle zip-up hoodie to the ground when I was in high school. I just was obsessed and I wanted to, and I,

• 45:26Speaker 02

  Oh, you were a kiddo.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  No, I was like, I, I was, I was like thirteen when I started doing SoulCycle.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  Oh, shit.

• 45:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know, weird, right?

• 45:34Speaker 02

  I feel like there should be, you should be, like, over seventeen, eighteen.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  I had to make sure I was tall enough to ride the bike.

• 45:42Speaker 02

  You and your, like, little heels?

• 45:44Speaker 01

  Yep. Yeah, I literally would at, at the time.

• 45:47Speaker 02

  Um, wow.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:48Speaker 02

  Incredible.

• 45:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  I need to know more about this side of you.

• 45:51Speaker 01

  My fitness class?

• 45:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, your fitness class and your, like, SoulCycle episode?

• 45:57Speaker 01

  I, there, I'll put the photo here and I'll show you after, but, like, I used to celebrate my birthdays at SoulCycle, like, they would bring me cupcakes.

• 46:04Speaker 02

  This is major.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  I was, and all SoulCycle smelled the same. And I could, like, image, I, like, like, Soul,

• 46:10Speaker 02

  Can you explain the smell, or is it just, like, undescribable?

• 46:13Speaker 01

  You walk in, you click your feet into the bike, and they, like,

• 46:16Speaker 02

  Do you have shoe, like, special shoes?

• 46:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, like, a real diehard SoulCycle person will have their own shoes.

• 46:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  And they'll, like, walk into the, the studio with their own shoes, and you'll be like,

• 46:27Speaker 02

  And they're like, it's like over their shoulders.

• 46:29Speaker 01

  There was, like, celebrity SoulCycle instructors, like, they, they're, the schedule comes out at the same time every week. All the bikes would get, and then, if you were really special, you could book early. Like, it was cra- the craziest thing ever.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 46:42Speaker 01

  I don't know if they still make money.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  Really? You think they've gone out of business? It's all about solid core now?

• 46:47Speaker 01

  It's all about solid core, yeah. That's all I hear about. I don't hear about SoulCycle as much as I used to. SoulCycle was, like, the thing in high school.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  All solid cores smell the same, by the way, too.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  What is solid core?

• 46:57Speaker 02

  It's like, it's like cracked out Pilates. But it's not Pilates, because I feel like it's not even trying to do that. It's like Pilates, but the best way I can describe it is, like, holding a plank for, like, forty-five minutes.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  Oh, so you, you go to solid core all the time, don't you?

• 47:13Speaker 03

  Well, last night.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  You did? Did you enjoy it?

• 47:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love solid core.

• 47:18Speaker 02

  Do, but would you agree with me that it's kind of cracked out Pilates?

• 47:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, they say it's strength training.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah, they don't, they don't claim Pilates.

• 47:25Speaker 03

  But you can't, yeah, it's not Pilates. Like, you don't do any of the classical moves. But yeah, it's holding a plank or some, like, insanely hard hamstring position for, like, thirty minutes.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  The hamstrings are gonna get me every time.

• 47:39Speaker 03

  Every time.

• 47:39Speaker 02

  Every time.

• 47:40Speaker 03

  And when it's shoulder day, and you're just, literally, on your shoulders the whole hour.

• 47:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:45Speaker 03

  It's brutal.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  What else are you and Renee watching right now?

• 47:49Speaker 02

  Um, we just finished season two of Beef, which is so,

• 47:53Speaker 01

  I didn't watch it yet.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  You should watch both.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  Are they that good? People ride for that show.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  It's really good. I really enjoyed it, like, so good. Um, we, what did we watch? We watched, uh, Project Hail Mary, watched the drama.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  Did you like Project Hail Mary?

• 48:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 01

  I loved Project, did you cry?

• 48:11Speaker 02

  That's another hot man. Like, very,

• 48:14Speaker 01

  Oh, uh, Gosling.

• 48:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, imagine if I was like, no, the little Rocky.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  I was like, who was in that movie again?

• 48:20Speaker 02

  Little monster.

• 48:21Speaker 01

  Brian Gosling. Yeah, he is,

• 48:22Speaker 02

  He's very charismatic in that. I was very charmed by him. And I loved his little, like, Paddington coat. Like, he had that, like, yellow trench situation that was happening.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  Space scares me. But I love movies about space.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  I love space. I'm, I used to want to be an astronaut.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  Really?

• 48:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, when I was a kid.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  Did you, have you ever, have you, do you watch a bunch of space movies?

• 48:42Speaker 02

  Not, not even.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  Let me put you on. Have you ever seen Gravity with Sandra Bullock?

• 48:46Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  Okay, so I didn't put you on.

• 48:50Speaker 02

  Wait, I, I have seen that, yeah.

• 48:51Speaker 01

  Okay, and you've obviously seen Interstellar.

• 48:54Speaker 02

  Yes, I've seen that one, too. I'm like, is there other space film? I've seen a lot of them, actually.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  What about the Mars one?

• 49:00Speaker 02

  Apollo thirteen? You ever seen that one?

• 49:01Speaker 01

  Apollo thirteen.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  That's a good one.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  What's that about?

• 49:04Speaker 02

  That's about the actual Apollo mission where they go into space and, I, I mean,

• 49:10Speaker 01

  So you believe the moon landing happened?

• 49:13Speaker 02

  Are we not believing the moon landing?

• 49:15Speaker 01

  Some people don't. Like, really? And people ride by it. I believe it happened.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  You're like, I'm coming out.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  Just for clarity. No, someone once called me a flat-earther, and I was like, I'm not a flat-earther.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  I am.

• 49:24Speaker 01

  Are you really?

• 49:24Speaker 02

  No.

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 49:25Speaker 02

  Imagine, that would be fun. That would be kind of fun. Maybe I should just start throwing that around.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah, because it's not that controversial. I mean, it is controversial, but it's not, like,

• 49:35Speaker 01

  I mean, I get.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  It's just kind of fucking stupid.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, really, it's really stupid. But, so, okay.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  Could be fun, though. Like, I might just make that my new, like.

• 49:44Speaker 01

  That you're a flat-earther?

• 49:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  You know, who would do that? Would be role model. Tucker. Tucker would pull some shit like that.

• 49:50Speaker 02

  But it would be private.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  No, he would, he would tell everyone.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, he said, yeah, that's, that's the difference between me and Tucker is he would, like, put it on his story.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  And I would, my, my, I would, like, seed it in all of my, like, interpersonal relationships.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, by the way, like, isn't it so funny that the earth is flat?

• 50:06Speaker 02

  Anyway.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. Why'd you want to be an astronaut?

• 50:09Speaker 02

  I just, I don't know. I was like, this is so, it's so cool. It's so unexplored. Like, there's just so much of it. I don't know. Like, I love, I love to ponder.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:18Speaker 02

  I was definitely like, a kid that, like, lived, I lived in my own, like, fantasy and my own imagination.

• 50:23Speaker 01

  Do you journal?

• 50:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  Do you have journals from when you were a kid?

• 50:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I gotta go read them. They're all in Hong Kong.

• 50:29Speaker 01

  That's awesome. I wish I had that shit. I don't.

• 50:31Speaker 02

  That's how I came out.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  What? You came out?

• 50:33Speaker 02

  Journaling.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Like, tell me more.

• 50:35Speaker 02

  To my little journal. I remember it was like, I had like a black and white, like, it had like black and white waves on the front. Like, it was such an ugly journal. And it, like, made a noise every time you opened it. It was like squeak, it was like a squeaky, little, like, spiral-bound journal. But that's how I found out I was gay. I was, like, writing and I was like, oh, my fault.

• 50:55Speaker 01

  Sometimes like.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  I was like, oh, whoa.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  Sometimes writing, like, allows you to access thoughts that you didn't know you had.

• 51:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that's what happened in that moment. I was like, eleven, maybe, ten?

• 51:06Speaker 01

  Have you ever reread that journal entry?

• 51:08Speaker 02

  No, I need to, I don't know where it is. There is, there are like a couple journals that are missing. And because my family moved around so much, like, I don't know where she might be.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 51:18Speaker 02

  But it might just, like, appear.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  I really hope you find that.

• 51:20Speaker 02

  I know.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  That'd be so cool. But you just remember the, the moment and the feeling?

• 51:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember. I was, like, in my auntie's house. Like, also came from a place of boredom.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 51:30Speaker 02

  Because I was, like, visiting, I was like, you know, when you're, like, with family and there's just, like, a bunch of free time in the day? And so I was like, I went back to, like, my room where we were staying and I was like, I think I'm gay.

• 51:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. And now, gay.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  And now, straight.

• 51:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:49Speaker 02

  Husband.

• 51:50Speaker 01

  Husband, actually, yeah.

• 51:51Speaker 02

  Husband, actually.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 51:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Do you want to do the tell me what's wrongs?

• 51:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  I am incredibly gullible. I literally will believe anything anyone says to me. I can't read signals or body language or sarcasm for that matter. What should I do? I can't go on my whole life being lied to and not knowing about it and not being in on the joke. Dash Ava. Hi, Ava.

• 52:10Speaker 02

  Oh, my god, Ava. I'm so sorry, first of all.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  For being so gullible?

• 52:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, I just feel like, that's, you can't.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  Fix that.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, my advice is, stop.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, sorry. I think, I think you just need to embrace the gullableness.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  I think it's really endearing.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  I think it's endearing, too. I think it's sweet. I think if you reframe it to being something you embrace as opposed to something you're ashamed of.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:41Speaker 01

  You'll be like, yeah, I'm gullible. And all my friends can play pranks on me and it's so funny and fun and we have so much fun and we laugh so hard. Because when, you know what I mean? As long as the pranks aren't with malintent.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  I love pulling pranks on my friends. It's my, it's like, literally my favorite thing to do in the entire world.

• 52:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, we call it pulling a P. Pulling a prank.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  Pulling a P. You're pop.

• 52:59Speaker 02

  P for P.

• 53:00Speaker 01

  P. Are, are you and Renee big pranksters?

• 53:03Speaker 02

  I, I like to partake in the prank. She's not really in on, on it. She, but she likes to observe.

• 53:09Speaker 01

  I prank Cas, my prank Cassidy all the time.

• 53:11Speaker 02

  Oh. What, the phone calls, the FaceTimes?

• 53:15Speaker 01

  The FaceTimes, the FaceTimes. I always get her because she doesn't know anything about, um, American history or anything, so I'll just pull someone randomly out of, like, the textbooks and she'll just be like, what are you talking about? I told her she saw Mary Todd Lincoln at the club the other night and I asked her why she didn't tell me and she said, who the fuck is that? Mary Todd Lincoln.

• 53:34Speaker 02

  That's so good. You're like, I saw her, she was fucked up.

• 53:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's.

• 53:39Speaker 02

  She was messy.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  That's not a real person. I go, indeed it is, actually. I feel like I'm maturing out of my relationship. He's so sweet and loyal and treats me the best, but like, that boy isn't going places anytime soon. And I'm ambitious. I don't want to make too many big life choices at once, so should I just try to grow and hope he follows suit?

• 53:59Speaker 02

  Damn, girl. I think you're out.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  I think you're out, too.

• 54:02Speaker 02

  I feel like you know it, too.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  If you're writing into therapists.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  If you're writing into therapists for us to ask you, I think you, I think you know what your answer is there.

• 54:11Speaker 01

  Have you ever seen the movie Someone Great?

• 54:13Speaker 02

  No, never.

• 54:14Speaker 01

  Oh, it's like, that's what that movie's about. It's like, they're growing, they've completely grown out of this relationship. They both have different ambitions and, like, they have to.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  It's really sad.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  It's sad.

• 54:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  You should let, there's so much good music about that, though.

• 54:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  There's so much good music about, like, grow, like, like, like Kacey Musgraves' "Deeper Well", like, you know, or a song, like, I'm trying to think of another song that, I would listen to "Deeper Well". Do, that, that's a song about, like, growing and finding.

• 54:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:41Speaker 01

  Do, do you think I'm wrong?

• 54:42Speaker 03

  No.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  Okay, cool.

• 54:44Speaker 03

  I had a really good song.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  What song?

• 54:46Speaker 02

  What's on?

• 54:46Speaker 03

  Happiness.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  Happiness by Taylor Swift? Oh, my god.

• 54:50Speaker 02

  I have not, I don't know, I don't know that one.

• 54:52Speaker 01

  Oh, my god, Towa?

• 54:53Speaker 02

  I'm not knowing.

• 54:54Speaker 01

  It'll change you. It's just basically like, there was happiness because of you, there will be happiness after you, and both things can be true. I think those are the actual.

• 55:08Speaker 02

  As, as tears fall.

• 55:10Speaker 01

  But like, it's true. It's like, finding solace in the, I always said, like, this year is about the year of two things existing at once.

• 55:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:17Speaker 01

  I feel like we view things or have viewed things as such, like, this way or this way. And like, two things can be true at once.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  Two truths, no lie.

• 55:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. And like, you can be, have had so many joyous memories with this person and also continue to have joyous memories after. And both things can be true, there will be happiness because of you. Dash Taylor Swift.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  End quote.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  End quote. So listen to Happiness by Taylor Swift. What a great prescription, Louise.

• 55:43Speaker 03

  It just literally came to me head.

• 55:45Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 55:45Speaker 01

  Wow. I am desperately in love with my best friend. He told me he loved me and we should be together months ago. Oh, my god, amazing. And I ended things with the guy I was seeing for him. Then he completely did a 180 and faded me and we never spoke about it again. That's crazy. I'm still in love with him, but he wants nothing to do with me in a romantic way. It's been months and it's driving me crazy. What do I do? I would drop him as a friend.

• 56:05Speaker 02

  I would drop him as anyone in your life.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, because he wanted you, so he wanted the power of your feel, like, feelings. And then the second he got it was like, never mind.

• 56:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. And like, that's a shit friend and that's a shit partner as well.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:21Speaker 02

  Because like, you, you don't want to start a life with this person if they're gonna drop you like that.

• 56:26Speaker 01

  Right. Or change up on you like that.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:28Speaker 01

  Because how do you say you're in, like, a complete 180? That's narcissism. Do you watch reality television?

• 56:34Speaker 02

  Not a whole lot.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  You guys should watch Rhode Island. It's brand new. It's amazing. It's like, really and truly, like, they've all known each other since high school, so they all shit-talk each other, like, from their past. It's actually, like, it's really beautiful. I, like, saw some moving television this morning.

• 56:52Speaker 02

  You were watching it this morning?

• 56:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I watched it with my Chipotle hangover at 5:00 a.m.

• 56:55Speaker 02

  Oh, fuck.

• 56:56Speaker 01

  And then I fell asleep.

• 56:56Speaker 02

  Oh, you were really hungover, huh? You were up.

• 56:59Speaker 01

  I was literally up. And everyone was like, why are you up? I was like, Chipotle. And not in the way that you would think. I wasn't like, shitting my pants. I was just like, my head hurts. I'm sick from this Chipotle.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  Was it a bowl or?

• 57:09Speaker 01

  It was a bowl and I also got a kid's meal.

• 57:12Speaker 02

  Kizzedia?

• 57:13Speaker 01

  No, like, tacos on the side because you can't get an extra side of white rice and that's the only way I know how to get an extra side of white rice.

• 57:20Speaker 02

  Is kid's meal.

• 57:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:21Speaker 02

  Oh, that's so, that's so genius.

• 57:23Speaker 01

  Well, Chipotle needs to figure the fuck out how they market themselves on Uber Eats because it's actually very frustrating. You can't get a side of salad dressing, you can't get a side of white rice, you can't get extra white rice. The whole thing makes no sense. What, whoever is running their marketing at Uber Eats is so in the wrong.

• 57:38Speaker 02

  Someone call them right now.

• 57:39Speaker 01

  But I don't know how it's not been woken up sooner. Wake it up.

• 57:43Speaker 02

  Let's make a fucking phone call.

• 57:44Speaker 01

  Ordering Chipotle is difficult and it makes me not want to do it.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  That's what you're a therapist about.

• 57:50Speaker 01

  That is what I'm a therapist about. Why can't I get a side of salad dressing? Why do I need to get a salad?

• 57:53Speaker 02

  Asking the big questions today.

• 57:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, why do I, why do I need to get a salad in order to get a salad dressing? Why can't I get an extra side of white rice? Why can't I get an extra side of vegetables?

• 58:01Speaker 02

  You have, now you have a kid's meal.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  I'll pay, I'll pay, I'll pay. Just put the fucking option on.

• 58:05Speaker 02

  Now you have a fucking, can you, like, write in the notes and be like, extra rice?

• 58:09Speaker 01

  Oh, that's the other thing. No notes. You can't write, like, a little comment.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, fucking hell.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  So it's just like, this is the way it is. And I don't like the way it is. Me and my friends go to the movies a lot and we have this one friend who never shuts the fuck up. Next sentence that I can't understand. They're not the quietest chatter in the bunch either. How do we put them down gently? It feels like telling a child Santa's not real. To tell your friend to shut the fuck up?

• 58:32Speaker 02

  Wait, Santa's.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  It's like, they're scared. It's like, I think they're equating it to being, telling someone they smell.

• 58:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. The whole Santa part is kind of throwing me off, but.

• 58:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  But I feel like, I don't know, now that I'm trying to get better at confrontation.

• 58:48Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. How would you do it?

• 58:50Speaker 02

  I would tell them. I would try.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  Just be like, wait, shh, the movie's playing, just shh.

• 58:54Speaker 02

  When someone is, like, I, I think it's, I think it's really fun when someone's yapping during a movie, like, quietly, but it, it's not, it cannot be throughout.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:04Speaker 02

  Like.

• 59:04Speaker 01

  I think that's.

• 59:05Speaker 02

  I think we should cap it at, like, four comments per movie.

• 59:08Speaker 01

  A thousand percent.

• 59:09Speaker 02

  Anything above that, it's like.

• 59:11Speaker 01

  And if it's really your best friend, like, you can tell them to shut the fuck up. I get told to shut the fuck up on the daily.

• 59:15Speaker 02

  That, that's also another thing. It's like, if this is, like, your true friend, you can be like, come on, dude.

• 59:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, shh.

• 59:22Speaker 02

  Shh.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's so much power in shh. Shh, shh. I've been told to shh so many times and I listen every time.

• 59:30Speaker 02

  Does it ever offend you? Do you get, like, are, are you hurt by it?

• 59:32Speaker 01

  Sometimes, like, when I'm really on a roll, I'm, Louise will be like, shh. I'll be like, oh, the fuck?

• 59:36Speaker 03

  When have I done that?

• 59:38Speaker 02

  Call up.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  You've done that a few times. You've been like, shh.

• 59:41Speaker 03

  Have I?

• 59:42Speaker 01

  Yes, you've been, like, piped down.

• 59:44Speaker 03

  I don't think I've said shh.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  Maybe on a call, you'll be, you'll be like, shh.

• 59:48Speaker 03

  Oh, I have done that. I have done that before.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  Gaslighting me, crazy.

• 59:52Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, like, on a call, like, you'll, like.

• 59:55Speaker 02

  I feel like shh is definitely warranted unless it's funny.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Unless what the person's saying is funny.

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, then all the rules fucking got the window.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's why I'm like, I try, I, thank you for saying that. I've been, I've been long distance with my boyfriend for a few months now and I'm starting to actually really enjoy it.

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  Thanks.

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  Almost to the point where this, when, where when this period is over, we're in college and he's studying abroad for a semester, I'm gonna almost prefer the space and alone time. But I love him and being in a relationship. Help, I want to fix this before he gets back. I don't know how to help you because I've never been in a relationship. But it's sounding like to me, it's like the very early stages of like, it's time to break up.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  I think, yeah, I think it maybe it's okay to be alone.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  You can, to truth saying, it's like, you can love this person very dearly and also want to just be by yourself.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  And also, they're saying like, I am happy and like, I like him because of like, they're like, I like being in a relationship.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  So they're like scared of the instability of not.

• 1:01:04Speaker 02

  But I think that's, that's probably why you should do it.

• 1:01:07Speaker 01

  I completely agree.

• 1:01:08Speaker 02

  It's like, you know, the thing of like, when you're uncomfortable with something, you're usually like on the precipice of like discovering something really amazing about yourself.

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:01:16Speaker 02

  Do you know what I mean?

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  Is that true?

• 1:01:19Speaker 02

  I have, I have literally nothing to back this up with.

• 1:01:23Speaker 02

  But, but you know what I mean? Like,

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do know what you mean. That's why I was so like,

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  When you're uncomfortable, you're usually in a place where like, you, you get to learn something about yourself or you get to do something really amazing.

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  So bask in the uncomfortability. Thank you.

• 1:01:40Speaker 02

  That part.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  My boyfriend isn't an animal person. This wasn't a problem when we met because I was so in love, but now that we live together and I really want a cat, what do I do?

• 1:01:48Speaker 02

  Get a cat.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  But he's not an animal person. He doesn't want a cat.

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  That's it. That sounds like a fucking him problem.

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  And not your, not your problem. Is he allergic?

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  An animal could make or break a relationship?

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  It shouldn't. I don't think.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  If the foundation is strong enough.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  Oh my God. I would listen to Bones by Marilyn Morris. Cause if the bones are good, the rest don't matter.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:02:09Speaker 02

  Your information recall is really good.

• 1:02:12Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:02:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  Look at you pulling all these references.

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  Well, because if the bones are good, the rest don't matter.

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  Right. And a cat is only gonna strengthen the relationship or if it's, if the bones are not good, bring to surface

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like Tetris.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  The broken bones.

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  It's not Tetris. What the fuck is it? Jenga? It's the second time I've done this in this podcast where I've said Tetris instead of Jenga.

• 1:02:33Speaker 02

  It's kind of Tetris in a, in a weird sort of way, if you think, if you really think about it.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  If you really think about it.

• 1:02:39Speaker 02

  Renee and I played massive Jenga, like mega Jenga. It's, it was like a huge Jenga, like one of the days before we started like seeing each other. That was like,

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  Oh, on the beach?

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  It was like, no, this was, this was before, pre-beach.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 1:02:56Speaker 02

  That was like one of our last activities that we did just as friends is play mega Jenga.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  And now look where you are. In a loving relationship of two years? Three years? How long has it been?

• 1:03:10Speaker 02

  Like two and a, two and a, yeah, two, two.

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  Time flies. So crazy. How do I tell my boyfriend of four months now that I made out with his brother at a party a year back?

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  His brother moved away and I know they're not super close, so I don't think he knows. Like, I have to tell him, right?

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  Yes. Yes, you do.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  You just have to tell, you have to get ahead, you have to get ahead of it before it becomes a lie. Cause it's not a lie yet. You're just like holding back the truth and like the longer it goes on, the worse it'll get.

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  Question for you. And like, I don't have an answer for this, but do you think that holding back the truth is lying?

• 1:03:45Speaker 01

  In a sense, yeah, I do.

• 1:03:47Speaker 02

  I've been trying to figure that one out recently.

• 1:03:50Speaker 01

  You're, I don't know if it's like directly lying, but you're not like showing someone who you are entirely. If you're, which is in a sense like lying.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. Okay.

• 1:04:02Speaker 01

  So I would like tell him before it gets out of control.

• 1:04:04Speaker 02

  But yeah, but back to Quina. I feel like you got it.

• 1:04:08Speaker 01

  You got it.

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  You gotta just fucking rip the band-aid off.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  By the way, I made out with your brother once.

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  Also, I feel like boys, do boys care about this stuff? I don't know.

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  I mean, if they're insecure, they care.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  Right? I feel like, yeah.

• 1:04:20Speaker 02

  But what do they, what do they care about? Is it the fact that she made out with?

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  His brother before he hooked up with her.

• 1:04:28Speaker 02

  But is it because it has to do with her or because it has to do with him?

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  Well, there's only one way to find out. She has to open her mouth and let him know.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  She got it. She got it. Yeah. She, she'll do it.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  She has to let him know. You have to let him know.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it's really important.

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  I don't know why I'm getting like dark energy from it, but I'm getting like, if, if you do not tell him, things will go south.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that's, that's like a fucking ticking time bomb.

• 1:04:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, agree.

• 1:04:51Speaker 02

  Do it now.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  Well, Towa, what did we learn today?

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  Wait, this is the end? I'm so sad.

• 1:04:57Speaker 01

  Wait, really? Sometimes I feel like I'm trapping people. I'm so happy you don't feel trapped.

• 1:05:02Speaker 02

  This is the best jail ever.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, your little fake Rockwall.

• 1:05:06Speaker 01

  It's all, yeah, it's all fake. Oh my God, I'm so happy you had so much fun. Well, it's so easy with you. We know each other.

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  I know. I mean, that,

• 1:05:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  That kind of changes the game, doesn't it?

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  And we need a night out soon. Or just a chill day. Chill pool day. But what did we learn today?

• 1:05:22Speaker 02

  Okay, what did we learn today?

• 1:05:26Speaker 01

  I learned that you came out via journal at age 11.

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  I also came out when I was 11 to my parents or 10.

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  Oh my God.

• 1:05:32Speaker 01

  Around that age.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  It's, it's really, that's really young.

• 1:05:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  It's really young.

• 1:05:37Speaker 01

  But if you think about it, like everyone has crushes at that age.

• 1:05:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  We just figured out that.

• 1:05:43Speaker 02

  But I feel like most people don't until they're a little bit

• 1:05:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  later on in their life.

• 1:05:47Speaker 01

  Were your parents chill about it?

• 1:05:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:05:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's so nice. It's like, it's such a privilege to be able to have a family that will accept you.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  It's so, it's so rare.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  It is rare.

• 1:06:01Speaker 02

  Most of the,

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  I didn't know it was rare when I was a kid. Which I feel lucky that I didn't know it was rare, cause that means I grew up in a great household, but it is rare.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, the, the, the spark notes are

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  earth flat.

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  Earth flat.

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  Earth flat, wrist hurts.

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  Uh huh.

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  Journal.

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  Journal, gay.

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  Gay.

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  And ride the D.

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  Ride the D.

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  Ride the D. Louise is really like down for the D.

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  She spoke about it before you got here. She was like, I literally love the D.

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  Yeah.

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  I, I, I need to go and ride the D.

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  I'll ride the D with you.

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  Yeah, we should go on a little outing. I want to go to Lakma too.

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  Oh, I love Lakma.

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  And they have a new like exhibition.

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  Yes, it's very, it's insane.

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  I have not.

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  Oh, it's unbelievable. I'll go with you.

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  Yeah.

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  Let's go.

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  And we'll ride the D.

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  And we'll ride the D.

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  We could go, we could meet at Lakma and then ride the D to our next destination.

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  And then get food.

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  Oh my God, a daytime activity for us?

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  I don't think we've ever,

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  Never heard of that.

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  Never, I don't do daytime activities.

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  Who is that?

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  Well, Towa.

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  Thank you so much.

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  Thank you for coming on there. Plus congrats on your album.

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  Thanks.

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  It's incredible.

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  Thank you.

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  I hope to see you live soon.

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  Hey.

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  Right?

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  Right.

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  Right.

• 1:07:15Speaker 02

  Right.

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  And I just adore you. I love you. Thank you for coming on the show.

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  You're the best, dude.

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  You're the best.

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  Bye pussies.

• 1:07:41Speaker 00

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