Why This DSA Win Should Terrify Every American

Welcome to Impact Theory. In today's episode, we dive into the rising power of the Democratic Socialists of America and the candidate who has become the movement's most polarizing new face. As DSA-aligned nominees sweep primaries across New York State, we unpack what these wins actually mean and why the gap between what these candidates say and what they plan to do should concern every American. At the center of the conversation is Darializa Avila Chevalier, the Democratic nominee for Congress in New York's 13th district. We examine her deleted social media history, including past calls to fully abolish the police, opposition to all deportations even for criminals, and posts advocating the seizure of private property, the nationalization of hospitals and pharmaceutical companies, and the freezing of rents. We break down how a clearly intelligent and disciplined politician has learned to dodge the hard questions, deliver eloquent non-answers, and avoid handing anyone a usable soundbite. From the philosophy of socialism and the historical record of where these ideologies lead, to the de Tocqueville concept of the overproduction of elites, to the real economic forces driving young voters left, this conversation pulls no punches. We also dig into identity politics, the difference between diagnosing a problem and prescribing the wrong cure, and why getting the solution wrong can be even more dangerous than ignoring the problem entirely. Whether you are here to understand the future of the American left or to see how today's choices will define tomorrow, this episode offers a sharp and unflinching look at the ideas now competing for power. Quince: Free shipping and 365-day returns at https://quince.com/impactpod Whatnot: Download the Whatnot app today and get free shipping on your first order. ATT Business: Switch to AT&T Business at business.att.com http://business.att.com Ketone IQ: Visit https://ketone.com/IMPACT for 30% OFF your subscription order Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impact Truemed: Check your eligibility and start saving at https://truemed.com/impact Ethos: Get a free quote athttps://ethos.com/impact Incogni: Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code IMPACT at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/impact What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business:join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show: https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business:see if you qualify here. https://tombilyeu.com/call: https://tombilyeu.com/call Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox:sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/: https://tombilyeu.com/ ********************************************************************** If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. ********************************************************************** FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:30Speaker 00

  They clearly aren't hiding it. This is the DSA. This is not what I think a lot of people think. This is not the Nordic countries. This is not the model that they are running. This is Marxism, Leninism, Maoism. And once you understand that, then you can begin teasing out the different things that they say from the policies that they're actually going to implement. So one of the people that's really becoming a lightning rod for this is Chevalier, Daria Eliza Chevalier. And when you look at her old tweets, now she has since deleted them. But when you look at her old tweets, you realize that this is not somebody that has respect for America. This is somebody that doesn't believe in any deportations whatsoever, even for criminals.

• 2:13Speaker 00

  This is somebody who has said on more occasions than I can fathom that we should be defunding the police, that we should be getting rid of policing altogether. In fact, this is a quote, no, she's responding to somebody asking her about that. No, it means ending policing, full stop, period. No more police at all, ever, with clapping emojis. During the 2020 BLM protest, she was replying to a user asking for a better slogan than defund the police. She posted, fuck you, we're going to defund and abolish. You don't get to water down our movements. And then she had another one, fairly random. It said, felt cute, fuck 12 and 12 being slang for police.

• 2:54Speaker 00

  Now she reposted one saying, in New York, they don't say, I love you. They say NYPD suck my dick, and I think that's beautiful. And all pigs everywhere are haram. She has also retweeted seize the means of production. She wrote in a 2019 post that, and in early COVID, she reposted a message calling for nationalizing utilities, hospitals and pharma, suspending rent and mortgages, dissolving private health insurers and seizing all properties from landlords. And that's according to ABC. There's more, it just goes on and on. So now she's trying to back away from a lot of that stuff in terms of she deleted the account. She doesn't tweet anymore.

• 3:37Speaker 00

  But when pressed recently, she said she still doesn't believe in deporting people. Again, regardless of whether they are criminals. Whenever she is asked, and this is a thing that I want to pull up a, one of the videos with her. I think we have one with Hassan. There might be one of her being interviewed. I forget, that one's probably a great one. So watch how, when she's asked a question, watch the way that she responds. Because she doesn't answer the question. She, this woman is a brilliant politician, legitimately. She's very talented, she's clearly smart, and she is able to make it sound like she's answering you, but she's not.

• 4:17Speaker 00

  And so when I bang on about people reasoning from emotion, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about. She's not going to face with the logic. She is going to give you a PR move that allows her to hold these crazy beliefs that I think are going to come out in absolute insane policies. But she's never going to give you a soundbite that you can use against her. All right, so let's take it away.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Of her story and the Democrats' story look like. Joining me now is Daria Eliza Avila Chevalier, Democratic nominee for Congress in New York's 13th district. Congratulations and welcome.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  Thank you so much. Thanks for having me.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  I'm hoping, because you will be a member of Congress, that we will have many opportunities to have a conversation, which means the first conversation is going to be a little tough to get through because you've now moved from a hot part of the

• 5:03Speaker 00

  He says right before he serves every softball in the U.S.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  into you're going to be the next member of Congress. And everybody's now looking at you and saying, what is that going to look like? Last night, we were on air when you delivered your speech in which you said, quote, "The corporate landlords and lobbies who powered our opponent's campaign knew that he didn't represent us in this district. He didn't fight for us. He represented them and he fought for them."

• 5:26Speaker 00

  And one thing that's really important for people to understand is getting, putting your finger on the pulse of the problem is awesome. I think Gary does a phenomenal job of pointing out what the problem is. I think she talks about things that really do mean a lot to young people. Going back to that Peter Thiel quote, you can't just say they're brainwashed. You can't just say they're wrong. They are telling you there is a problem. But when you get the solution wrong, that's the same as misdiagnosing the problem. Or maybe even worse, because the solution that you implement, thinking that you're going to get the actual solution to that problem, ends up exacerbating that problem. At least that is the, anybody who's putting forward a Marxist, Leninist, Trotskyist, socialist, communist, like whatever, one of those words you want to use.

• 6:11Speaker 00

  I don't want anybody hiding in any of them. They are all the same thing. When you put forward an answer like that, you end up breaking the machinery that actually creates prosperity. And that's why I'm so obsessive about getting people to actually answer from a cause and effect perspective. How is, how are the landlords causing this problem? What should they do to serve you? We obviously know the DSA's answer, which is freeze rents. And we'll talk more about that in a second. But all right, back to our lady here.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  You have to do and say things in primaries. And then now you are the actual Democratic Party representative. That's not always the same as being a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.

• 6:50Speaker 00

  Not always the same. I would say they're pretty opposed to each other.

• 6:52Speaker 02

  No, I think I have run, I'm very proud of the campaign that I've run. One where I am presenting the vision that I have for New Yorkers here in this district. And that has always been the vision that I have for them, right?

• 7:03Speaker 00

  So this is a woman who was just asked, how are you going to deal with the discrepancy between the Democratic Party and the, the DSA? And she is giving a very eloquent answer to a question he did not ask. And this is, politicians everywhere do this, by the way. She's just very good at it. But this is not unique to the DSA. This is not unique to somebody on the left. This is, everybody does this because they don't want to contend with the difficult things, with the cause and effect, yada, yada. All right, back to it. But this is the thing, this is like the crux of what drives me crazy, because then you can never pin people down.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  Folks disagree with my vision. I am very proud to say I will always be honest about my position on things.

• 7:43Speaker 00

  What is your position?

• 7:44Speaker 02

  And even if we don't agree, I will still fight for every single person in my district.

• 7:49Speaker 00

  What are you going to do when there's a political reality to be faced, which is what he's asking, between the tent that you're inside of, the Democratic Party? Think about people like Hakeem Jeffries. Now, I know the punchline because the DSA has chanted at Hakeem Jeffries, you're next. So the real answer to this question is, and there are people from the DSA, and I should have pulled it, but there was a guy that was going viral for basically, these are my words, and I'm going to paint this with just my aggressive perspective. So dial the answer down accordingly. But he was basically saying, the DSA is using the Democratic Party the way that a parasite who takes over the brain of a host will puppet the body of the parasite. He obviously did not say any of those words.

• 8:34Speaker 00

  He was giving a very, like, hey, you know, we ride on a Democratic ticket. We use that as a way to get on the ballot. But basically was saying, we're going to run the policies that we're going to run. And the fact that we are doing it from inside the now animated corpse of the Democratic Party, ignore that because it's really all about our actual policies. Now, that is the honest answer to this question. But obviously that allows for direct conflict, a conversation. She's not going to give you that answer.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  Have all of the resources that they need to lead a dignified life as New Yorkers.

• 9:11Speaker 01

  I think you probably, and at some point we'll be done with this conversation. But you probably want this conversation to go away. But there are, there are the social media posts. You have, you have had derogatory posts about Joe Biden and about Kamala Harris.

• 9:25Speaker 00

  Calling him a rapist and a war criminal.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  You did apologize for the Kamala Harris one. I guess the Joe Biden one, you did say, you called him a rapist. Is that the kind of thing that just because you're sort of a digital native and that you do on the internet? Or did you believe that?

• 9:40Speaker 00

  Is that a thing you crazy kids do?

• 9:41Speaker 02

  You know, I have, I think there was a lot of misunderstandings around what

• 9:46Speaker 00

  I'm not sure why people harp on this one. So it's really interesting. I feel like at some point the DSA got together with her and they said, all right, we need a safe one that you can go and apologize so that you can say, I've apologized for those tweets. She won't address the policy ones. In fact, there's one direct policy question. I didn't pull it because it's all in Spanish. But there is a direct policy question. You guys can look up for yourselves. You can find the translations. But it was basically, she's Dominican. They were, it seems like a radio show focused on Dominicans. And she had said basically, I'm never going to put the Dominican flag in my bio because I think nationalism is, she may not have said the word evil, but it was something like nations become incredibly violent. And so again, don't deport anybody.

• 10:31Speaker 00

  Now, she has been accused of saying that basically anybody's welcome, come in. I couldn't fact check that one, but that certainly would align with this idea that nations themselves are a problem. This is who we're currently running in primaries, by the way. But she won't put that in her bio because of that reason. And so the Dominican radio show was like, hey, no, no, no, we really want to talk about that. And she was basically, I can't quote it directly because it was in Spanish, but it was like, I hope you guys have a blessed day. I'm not talking about that. Took her headphones off and just left. Quick break, but don't go anywhere. There's more to come after this short break from our sponsors.

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• 13:27Speaker 00

  And I was like, this woman is going to do so well in politics. She is not going to give people a soundbite that they can use. She learned her lesson. I will give her credit for that. She learned her lesson with that old Twitter and has come back to bite her in the ass so many times that now if she's being asked questions to which she does not want to give the answer, that she knows is going to be a weaponized soundbite, she is out. And that, listen, when you have an enemy that is a worthy adversary, recognize it. Don't pretend that like she stays calm. She stays on message. She knows how to move around.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  She mastered the art of the weave. She knows how to weave.

• 14:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, but the thing that as a society, we're all going to have to figure out is at some point, the things that they believe become a policy. And then we need to understand how that policy interfaces with the world. So we've got to find a way to pin people down, politicians, to not elect them, unless they're willing to tell us, hey, what's legislation that you agree with? It's already passed. What's legislation that you want to put forward? Not just high-level ideas, but the actual legislation. And what do you think is going to be the outcome of that? And then we can say, oh, okay, cool. Like that, yeah, totally. I'm on board with that. I get how that goes. And okay, you said some crazy stuff in a tweet one day, but the actual policies that you're talking about putting forward, they sound dope.

• 14:52Speaker 00

  And then if they actually do that, which not everybody does, I mean, whoo, I think people on both sides of the aisle are going to make you clutch your pearls right off based on the difference between what they say to get elected and what they actually do. But at least you have a record that you can hold them accountable to. All right, back to it.

• 15:09Speaker 02

  I deleted my account many years back because I was focused on returning to organizing and my.

• 15:14Speaker 00

  Kamala was the safe one. It's the only one she'll address. So the whole idea of the overproduction of elites, she's been in post, like, high school for like nine years or something. I think she's got seven years pursuing her doctorate alone. So when you get into this idea, the whole concept, there's a guy named DeTocqueville, and he talks about this idea of the overproduction of elites. We talked about it earlier, where what ends up happening is the people that try to burn the system down, they are the ones not that are out there grinding away in the field. Those people are actually having a hard time. So the guy in the rust belt that can't get a job, he's actually suffering. The person who's got a nice middle-class existence

• 15:56Speaker 00

  to the point where they've been able to pursue a doctorate for seven years or however long it's been, they're in a totally different place. But because they believe that they should be in a position of power, that they should be wealthy by now, they're the ones that end up actually tearing the system down. So, yeah, she falls square into that camp for me.

• 16:16Speaker 02

  To, we're asked to really have accountability for folks who have not held political office or have political power. And don't do the same for folks who are in positions of political power.

• 16:28Speaker 00

  Now, it's basically, don't be mad at me. I wasn't a politician. I can say unhinged shit as long as I'm not a politician. Which I disagree. I think people are constantly revealing their character. You can look at my tweets and yeah, those are the things that I think. Now, of course, there is, you can change. You can and hopefully do change. And if you're willing to walk me through, like, what was the logic? So you thought that Biden was a rapist and a war criminal. What was it that changed your mind? And if she's like, no, I still think he's a rapist and a war criminal, but listen, like, you've got to have a tent that you can get into. And so there are just going to be some things you have to put aside. All right, it's an honest answer. Hey, you said that we should abolish the police. Do you still think we should abolish the police? I don't.

• 17:12Speaker 00

  And let me tell you, I was very emotionally charged at that point. Whatever, cool. Like, give me the reasons. Let me find out if you've changed your mind, why you've changed your mind, what was it that convinced you? Like, all of those sayings make complete sense. I am not somebody that's trapped by my own thinking. I'm not trying to trap somebody else by their thinking. But people should be able to walk you through why they thought what they thought, what changed, where they're at. And by the way, I don't even need her to apologize. That's not interesting to me. I don't think, like, let's say that I say something completely unhinged. And then later I realized, yeah, that was wrong. That didn't make any sense. I get that what the world wants is an apology. They want to know I feel bad, I guess. But my thing is, I just want to see people update their thinking.

• 17:55Speaker 00

  So, hey, let's say that the thing she said about Kamala Harris was really just beyond the pale. To me, I think it was pretty similar. She was like, fuck her or whatever, something like that. I don't need an apology for that. I just want to know what changed in your mind? Where are you going now? Like, what do you think? How has your, like, contact with reality been updated? That, to me, is far more interesting. So this is not, I'm not looking for cancel culture or apology tours. I just want to know, cool, what's the updated thinking? So I know how you're going to lead.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  Because as an organizer, my goal is always to unify our community and deliver for our community. And I think there is this question of why is it that when folks who do not have power, political power in this instance, are being held accountable for things, we don't also hold accountable folks who do have political power?

• 18:42Speaker 00

  If she were saying, listen, I want to be held accountable. You're right to do that. Let me walk you through my thinking. But also, it's very weird that people like get this kind of scrutiny when they're running for a primary, but we don't say anything to politicians that are actively in power right now. I'd be like, that is actually dope? I think she's doing the reverse, which is, why are you sweating me about this? You don't even sweat politicians about this. So this is where lead by example, show people. Let me walk you through, this is exactly how I ended up there. This is where I'm at now. And we've just really got to hold people to account. Then I'd be like, all right, that's a point in her direction. But again, this is obfuscation.

• 19:18Speaker 02

  Making an office every single day have an enormous impact on millions of people in our country. Right? And I think for folks who feel disempowered, it's important to make sure that we're getting to the heart of where that sense of disempowerment is.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  You actually said that.

• 19:33Speaker 00

  Look, that is only useful if you're getting to the heart of where that dissatisfaction is coming from so that you can find a working solution. And I have a very strong belief that the DSA pumps out candidates or finds candidates and aligns themselves with people that are just trying to find grievance to gain power. And then from there, they want to take control. I mean, she literally said, either in a tweet or one that she reposted, seize the means of production. So not real hard to interpret that one.

• 20:05Speaker 01

  Tweet about Kamala Harris. You said that it came from a place of you feeling disempowered.

• 20:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I think so much, so many folks in our country feel that they don't have representation that is fighting for them. Right? And that was part of why I decided to run. Because I've felt that abandonment from establishment politics that looks at my community as though it is merely statistics and not people who are worth fighting for.

• 20:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, I would be so curious to know what she thinks of as her community. Is it a certain number of square blocks? Is it being Dominican? Is it being in, you know, pursuit of a college degree? Like, what is her community? That's going to be one of those, especially when people leverage identity politics, getting people to actually state, this is my community. This is who I'm fighting for. Is it being disenfranchised? And then is she disenfranchised? That becomes a much bigger question. Like, her dad is a landlord. That's one of the things that obviously is going to get super weird for her. But nonetheless, is true.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  That last part to me for a loop, like.

• 21:10Speaker 03

  What is your definition of this franchise?

• 21:12Speaker 00

  So if she feels like somebody like me can't succeed in the world and so all of this is broken, then I'm like, hold on, being able to go to college, your dad is clearly making a decent living. Somebody is supporting you to go to college for seven years. So that's like, if it's you, by the way, if she's like fucking grinding it out and working three jobs and putting herself, fucking, I'll be like, yo, that is real. Respect, very impressive, very hard to do. I had to work through college, so I get it. So I am admittedly making a base assumption. I did not do the research, but I have a feeling that isn't true because of the amount of time that she spends doing community organization, which is very time consuming.

• 21:53Speaker 00

  So anyway, but that's one where I'm out on a factual claim and I could end up being wrong about that, but I don't have reason to believe I am wrong.

• 22:00Speaker 02

  Too often, we've seen folks go into office and close the door behind them, but what we need is representation that's actually going to listen to the community, hear the frustrations and open that door and keep it propped open so that everyone can be part of their democracy.

• 22:14Speaker 01

  So I want to talk to you because you-

• 22:16Speaker 00

  That's interesting. Man, do I have follow up questions for her on that one. So at a surface level, open the doors to, I'll say, power. She didn't say that word, so I hope I'm not misrepresenting what she said, but opening the doors to power, making sure everybody can participate in the democracy. Love that. Obviously with my constraints of you're a citizen of the country, which I doubt she would share, but for now, let's not fight about that. Let's just say that yes, that is a good thing. But now the question becomes, okay, in what way are we going to do that? What are we trying to get to? How do we want to get people involved? Is it just through protesting, making your voice heard? Is it through making sure that people show up to elections? Is it, hey, go post what you guys, the change you want to see in the world, whatever?

• 22:59Speaker 00

  But that would be one of those things that would be very useful to hear, because I fear what she actually means is things like, we've got to freeze rents because you're not getting what you're asking for. And so often people will ask for something that's not actually good for them. And so that's what I want to see. Is she just like, hey, if people are asking for it, you gotta give it to them? Because that's not going to be a winning strategy.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Who want to hold people in power to account? And I want to talk to you about that with respect to Adriano Aspea, money that has come into that campaign, including money from AIPAC affiliated groups. But I need to set the context on that first because of this conversation about this rally after October 8. You, you, you have strong beliefs about Israel's targeting of civilians.

• 23:44Speaker 00

  Another thing that she did that riled up a lot of people was she was out in support of Hamas and Palestinians on October 8. So there had been no Israel response yet, and that's a line that a lot of people delineate. Did you start going to bat for Palestine? After the bombings began and it was clear that this was a disproportionate response? Or did you start going out and

• 24:12Speaker 00

  speaking up on their behalf to put a nice top spin on it immediately? And so she was one of the people that was out literally the next day. Okay, with that, now let's hear what she says.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  Completely dwarfed what happened on, on October 7. That said, I think, I'm going to guess that you agree that innocent civilians shouldn't be targeted by anybody regardless of the reason or the, or the grievance. And that, that stands for Israel and that stands for Hamas.

• 24:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  Because people have associated you with being supportive of what Hamas did on October 7.

• 24:45Speaker 02

  No, I have always been very clear that at the core of every one of my values is fighting for human dignity and, and human life.

• 24:52Speaker 00

  Okay, so what I would say to that is, listen, I don't, I don't have any record of what word she was saying when she was out

• 25:00Speaker 00

  on October 8, but if it was something like, hey, this is a understandable reaction to them being put in the open air prison or apartheid or whatever interpretation she would put on that, and I would very much like her to use her own words for that.

• 25:19Speaker 00

  That obviously is very different than what I hear her saying now, which is why I think this ends up being such a sharp delineation for people. Somebody pushing back and going to bat for Palestine, once Israel has done a disproportionate response where it's like, okay, this is completely unhinged. That is a very reasonable stance to take. But when the people that were targeted were not military personnel, when you're out on October 8, that was innocent people that were targeted. So then it becomes the follow up question, okay, do you think there are any innocent people in Israel? As we have heard Israelis say, there are no innocent people in Palestine. It's like, all right, well, we know where you stand. That certainly isn't going to buy you any favors.

• 25:59Speaker 00

  But that's the kind of stuff where if you're really trying to map the way that she approaches the world, getting an understanding of that would be pretty important.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  The reason I was there was at that rally is because I have been advocating for Palestine and human rights and dignity for most of my adult life. And knowing that historically, what we have seen is that whenever there is an incident that happens in the region, there is an outsized reaction, one that costs thousands more people their lives. And that-

• 26:25Speaker 00

  Man, a well timed follow up question here would be great. Okay. You are Palestine. You don't agree that people should be targeting civilians. They were targeted, so presumably you think they did it in the wrong way. So what way would you want to see them do it? And it would be very interesting to see if she's like, well, they should have gone after military targets only. Or if she's just sort of stuck and is like, well, I mean, you gotta do something. You've got to get people's attention somehow, in which case then the whole argument goes out the window. And yes, if you think that cause is righteous, and I'm perfectly willing to think that this is a well intentioned person who's just saying, yes, look, there is a line and you cross it and people do have the right to kill whoever they can get their hands on, which there was actually, I forget who made this, forgive me,

• 27:10Speaker 00

  but there, post the Haitian slave rebellions, there was actually a big dialogue about, well, if you're white, you're part of the system. You may not have been a slave owner, but you are part of the system. And so if you're in the middle of a slave rebellion, can you kill anybody who's white? And there were people who were like, yeah, yes. And so people were just willing to come out and say it. Then at least you can have the debate and you can say whether it's moral or you can say from a military perspective, if people want to go down those paths. But these things are like, you can actually tease out the reality of what somebody's saying. You can tease out, you can, a lot of these things are going to feel like trolley problems, but you can nonetheless have the conversation and you can have the conversation at the level of military tactics.

• 27:55Speaker 00

  You can have the conversation at the level of morality. You can have the conversation, but most people won't.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  Is your beef that she was there? Or is your beef that Palace, like she, the timing in which she was there?

• 28:09Speaker 00

  Oh man, the funny thing is my beef doesn't have anything to do with that. My beef is-

• 28:12Speaker 03

  Oh, so it's not the pro-

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• 30:44Speaker 00

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• 30:47Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 30:47Speaker 00

  And they, I think, post their real beliefs. And then when people are like, thank you for telling me what you think. They're like, oh shit, this is not politically tenable. And I think what the DSA is good at is, hey, listen, we're all here, it's just us. We believe this radical insane Leninist Marxist shit.

• 31:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:05Speaker 00

  And we're going to seize the means of production and we're going to fucking literally do everything that's ever happened before, which is ruin the, the country, kill millions of people. Like that's where this is headed. We can't say that.

• 31:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:18Speaker 00

  And so here are the things that we can say. Talk about dignity, talk about affordability, right? And they're just going to bang the, we're going to freeze the rent. You know, this is a free daycare. When do we want it? Now. It's like, they're going to do all that shit. But what I'm trying to say is, hold the fucking phone. This, the ideology that is driving them is in their fucking name. They are socialists. Socialist is not a random set of syllables. It means something. The thing that it means is definitionally murderous. And so now it's like, uh, let's talk about that. So I would very aggressively like somebody to ask her these questions.

• 31:57Speaker 00

  So my beef is not the answer, because I think there are very reasonable stances to take on Palestine. There are even things I will consider morally indefensible. I think October 7th is morally indefensible. However, if somebody took the position, no, this is like a slave rebellion. And if the first person that you encounter is a child, but they're white, kill them. My, okay, now I know what your position is. It's very helpful. Now we can argue from that position. Now I can either just try to understand and then move on and be like, this person is a psychopath. Or I can try to debate you, but I first have to understand what you actually believe. My whole beef with the DSA and her is they're not telling you the real agenda.

• 32:41Speaker 00

  The real agenda is in the name. And so I'm just like, as a student of history, I'm here to tell you that is a murderous ideology. Like, this is wild. I can't believe we're doing this. And there is a game, oh my, a movie. You guys must watch this movie. If you want to understand what the DSA is, watch the movie Funny Games. Now, I will warn you right now. Funny Games is not funny. Funny Games is fucking horrifying. But Funny Games shows how you go from literally asking your neighbor if you can borrow an egg and then using cultural conventions to murder them. It is wild. You have to watch that movie.

• 33:26Speaker 00

  And that is how I feel about the DSA. They're using social conventions, nice words, the big smile of Mom Donnie, being very polite, all of that. But in reality, they're called socialists. So I know where this goes. So, um, yeah, that's my beef.

• 33:46Speaker 02

  To stand against, because I, it was a pattern that I had seen consistently throughout my organizing and throughout my, my experience in the region. I was actually in Palestine in 2014 in the West Bank. And I was there at a time where tensions were rising. And I believe it was almost either the day after, the day I arrived or the day after I got back to the United States.

• 34:08Speaker 00

  Let's say that I'm in Palestine. The question that I would want to ask is, hey, guys, let's just imagine that we're never able to normalize relationships with Egypt, who has us blockaded, which people conveniently forget. Let's imagine that we are never able to normalize relationships with the other guys, the other guys blocking the other side. Fuck with, uh, the Israelites. Okay, so we're never able to normalize relationships with those two groups. What would we do? How would we make life better for ourselves? I want an answer to that question. I want to see if people even think down that road, because I'm guessing that they don't.

• 34:48Speaker 00

  And I'm guessing that it, it has just become, the reason that the DSA is so attracted to the Palestinians is this is about grievance. And so you're finding somebody who is equally captured by grievance rather than by, ooh, I see a better world on the other side of that horizon. Martin Luther King, right? He had every reason to just be locked in grievance, but he didn't. And he had a dream and he painted a picture about that dream and he led people to it. I resonate with that dramatically. And by the way, not as a kid, growing up in America, post all of this in the eighties. I resonate with that as an entrepreneur, where it's like, you're constantly finding yourself in horrific situations

• 35:29Speaker 00

  where there may be, uh, obviously I'm not trying to equate the type of personal injustice happening, uh, where an entire nation is blockaded on both sides. I'm just saying, you find yourself in a position to which there is no good answer. And it, a thing may be happening to you that you can't control. It is completely unjust, but how you respond is going to tell me everything about your worldview. And so I would want to understand, how are you going to get yourself out of this problem? Do you approach this from a solution oriented mindset? Or is this war is the only thing that will do? And that's where it's like, I'm not going to play the funny games. Like, I'm not going to take people's rhetoric. I want to know, let's run some thought experiments. What do you do in this case? What do you do in this case? What do you do in this case?

• 36:14Speaker 00

  Because what I see when I look at the Palestine conflict is I see, um, Israel went from the, from David to being Goliath, to bullying the shit out of anybody and everybody that they can, using their strength. So I get why people don't like that. And then I see, uh, grievance playing out, whether it's Hezbollah, Hamas, Palestinians themselves, where it's like, you had billions of dollars flow into your country. You built terror tunnels so that you could strike back. You didn't build an economic engine. And that's where I'm like, hold on. If that, those actions make a prediction, either that you believe it is truly impossible to build an economic engine because of these blockades.

• 36:55Speaker 00

  And if I heard you complain in equal measure about Egypt and Israel, I'd be like, okay. But I don't, you complain about one, it's part of your charter to eliminate one, right? So then I'm like, wait, this is actually about, they stole our land. And so now I'm like, oh, okay, this is actually, this is a grievance thing. And hey, me saying that that's a foolish way to live your life does not make me right. But at least it helps me understand, what conversation am I having? Because if this is, there is no economic solution that you find interesting. You are wholly uninterested in an economic solution. You only care about, uh, I am getting that land back with full stop. Like, we can fucking pretend and have other conversations, but like, I'm getting that land back.

• 37:39Speaker 00

  Which you would be able to pin down through a series of, uh, thought exercises. But nobody ever asked those questions.

• 37:45Speaker 02

  And over 1,400 or maybe 1,800 folks, uh, people were killed in Palestine and Gaza at that time. And I remember being home and scrolling through the faces and names of the people who had been killed and feeling completely powerless to do anything about it. People who looked so much like the people I had just left in the West Bank. And knowing that day that that, that we were in a situation where something similar or bigger would come to pass, that was what I was there to stand against.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  It wasn't as central an issue in your campaign as it was in, uh, the Brad Lander, uh, Dan Goldman campaign. But the, the, the AIPAC and AIPAC affiliated money that came in against you was, was bigger. I mean, it was a lot of money. Uh, and you've been very critical of, uh, Dr. Daniel Aspitz.

• 38:33Speaker 00

  With this, um, I'll put a button on this. So, all right, watching her, you understand, uh, my, I'm not taking beef with any of her positions because she did not give any positions. Uh, I don't know what she was doing on October 8th. I'm perfectly willing to extend the belief that she was merely trying to get people to understand that these are humans and that, um, while this may be a great tragedy and we should never want something like this to happen, that we cannot ignore their pleas. No problem with that. My beef is that she's not going to give you those explanations. And this is the underlying thing that with the candidates, you'll hear it more from people behind the scenes. But the actual candidates don't just come out and say this, they give you very slick political answers,

• 39:18Speaker 00

  which is exactly how they're going to get to power. Uh, but they give the game away again. The DSA, you can learn a lot by, um, look at the DSA in Seattle. They ended up rejecting the current mayor of Seattle because she said she was not willing to blanket endorse every person that they had on their ballot. Plus, they did not overlap on abolishing the police. So, okay, it's like, well, that certainly tells me a lot, uh, especially when you did endorse, um, Chevalier. So I presume that she does plan to blanket endorse, I don't know that. But that she does plan to blanket endorse, uh, DSA candidates and that she, part of her, uh, platform

• 40:01Speaker 00

  once in office is going to be abolishing the police. I don't know that, again, I want to be very clear. But when you start looking at these things, it's like, huh, that's very interesting. So, all right, with that, the reason that I pulled this clip is, uh, Hassan, God bless him, is, he really does say the thing. And he's talking about the kind of people that are going to be inspired to, because this is, I think, was actually right after they got elected or right before, I can't remember. But, um, he's talking about the DSA candidates and the kinds of people that would be excited to vote for them. We got people who love Stalin, Mao, maybe even Trotsky, who are now saying.

• 40:48Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm gonna vote. I'm gonna engage in electoralism for once. I'm gonna engage in electoralism. I'm gonna vote for Claire Valdez. I am further to the left. And I normally do not participate in bourgeois elections, but it's the commie corridor. We gotta make it. We gotta make sure that people see how red this motherfucking commie corridor is all the way from space.

• 41:10Speaker 00

  So he's not saying that the DSA is Mao, Stalin, so on and so forth. But he's saying that their policies are so radical that supporters of Mao, Lenin, Stalin would be motivated enough to go vote for them. Now, somehow in the West, we have gotten to the point where we every like negative thing that we can think of when we hear Hitler's name, we think, thank God. I'm so glad. We think all those negative things. He was a monster. Unbelievable monster.

• 41:54Speaker 00

  But guess who was worse? Just by death count. Stalin and Mao. Those two alone, forget Lenin, who was also a murderous villain. But Stalin and Mao alone. Stalin killed somewhere between, the number's always very, 20 to 40 million. 20 to 40 million. Now, as I say, a single death is a tragedy. A million deaths is just a statistic. So I know it's hard for that number to land, but if you want it to land, read the book Red Famine. When you read the book Red Famine and you get to the scene where the woman boils and eats her own seven-year-old daughter,

• 42:35Speaker 00

  you will understand what all of this actually looks like when you play it out. So imagine, you've got a guy who knows, hey, to break the back of these bourgeoisie, we had to starve them to death to the point where they were eating their own kids, but fuck them because those guys had more cows than you and we can't have that outcome. He's saying those people are gonna be motivated to vote for these candidates. Now, this is part of why the Democratic Party is trying to distance themselves from Hassan because he gives the game away. Plus, there's a huge rift between the Democrats and the DSA. But for whatever reason, when we hear the names Mao or Stalin, we don't think of them as being on the same level of evil as Hitler

• 43:21Speaker 00

  when by death count, they were far more murderous. So the six or 12 million or whatever Jews and gays and cripples, whatever, that he was able to kill. Bro, that's like a brunch for Mao and Stalin. So I don't know what the fuck universe we live in where somebody can be like, yay, finally we have a candidate that those guys are gonna get excited to vote for and we're like, that's a good thing. That shit is so wild. Like even if he's saying it a bit tongue in cheek, I don't think he is to be honest because he went to Cuba because he thinks Cuba's winning. I don't know what the fuck is happening there. But actually I do know, let me be honest. Hassan thinks the US metals in Cuba and that's why.

• 44:05Speaker 00

  Dude, we dropped two nukes on Japan and literally ran their country. We, all the like fucking controls you can imagine. By the way, right after World War II and then later, we jammed a stick in the spokes of their bicycle, sent them ass over tea kettle, smashing to the pavement, skid along the ground, caused them to have a bubble burst that it's taken them 40 years to recover from. But in the meantime, their country was fucking awesome. They did not become Cuba because they're not retarded. So I don't know what he, what story he possibly tells himself. That makes all of that make sense, but it's absolutely fucking wild. So anyway.

• 44:46Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, this one to me is full crazy and I cannot believe people aren't like, uh, what? Like this is what these guys want? Again, when somebody says they want to do something, always ask yourself, has somebody done this before? And if so, go look at what the result was that they got. The result of socialism is starvation, murder, death, concentration camps, gulags, like it's so wild because it, it breaks the engine of prosperity. Okay. As an ideology, it functionally means it, it whether, so if an object is designed to do the thing that it outputs, right? I mean, that's just definitionally correct.

• 45:26Speaker 00

  So even if it happens by accident, it is still designed to do the thing that it outputs. That's why it outputs that thing. Socialism is designed to break the economy. The very thing that creates prosperity, the very thing that pulled Chinese out of poverty. It is designed to break it. It will break it every time it's tried, which is why it breaks it every time that it's tried. Because it runs on resentment. It requires force. You put those two things together and you've got a very, very, very bad situation.

• 45:57Speaker 03

  We can't undercredit though, the amount of sanctions and economic warfare that US has waged in other countries.

• 46:02Speaker 00

  A thousand percent. Dial it to 12.

• 46:04Speaker 03

  If you can't trade with anybody, how can you?

• 46:08Speaker 00

  Russia's doing alright.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 46:13Speaker 00

  What, what's the problem?

• 46:14Speaker 03

  Okay, Russia's doing alright.

• 46:16Speaker 00

  China's doing great. We fucking sanctioned the shit out of them. We literally broke Japan's economy. They're doing alright.

• 46:24Speaker 00

  Iran, no, no, no, let's keep going. Iran. Are they fucked up like Cuba? No. They, it's not easy, but you can go to Iran. They're in a way better position than Cuba.

• 46:39Speaker 00

  So there are ways with all the sanctions in the known universe to do well. Now, both Russia and Iran have oil. So you've got to have a product. So dear Cuba, you don't have oil. Don't act like you do. So what's gonna be your product? And don't fuck it up like you did with sugarcane. So you've got to find a way to actually make your economy work. Now, again, let's say that they're put in a position that's just completely unjust. Heard, you've still gotta find a way out of that. You don't get to starve your people for 40 or 50 years and not make change. At some point you go, fuck, I live in a world where there's this gigantic country

• 47:22Speaker 00

  and there are these unimaginable assholes and they are forcing me to have a different kind of government. Okay, yeah, but you live in that world. And so your answer is really fuck you, I'm right and I'm gonna keep doing this? Or do you go, we have to make concessions? We've, we've, we've gotta play nice. We're gonna bend the knee, we're gonna kiss the ring, we're gonna give back rubs, whatever. But we are, we are not going to make our people continue to suffer. That is the only logical fucking response. So if you can beat them in warfare, do it. Like if you're gonna be Ukraine and they try to fuck with you, launch a war. Great. But if you can't, like what are we doing? I don't understand how people give them a pass because it's like, yeah, just assume America's the evil empire, America is fucking with you.

• 48:08Speaker 00

  You're literally just gonna grind your people into poverty because you want to be right? Like this is so fucking stupid. So, uh, yes, if you have to make concessions, make the concessions. So Vietnam, they kicked us out. Cool. And then they managed to grow their country. Cuba is not able to do it. Cuba keeps flirting with fucking Russia to make sure that they are maximally our enemy. It's like, dude, there, there are way better ways. Elect some, of course they can't because the person's ruling by an iron fist, but you need to get somebody in power that's like, you know what? Fighting America didn't work. We ran the strategy, was not a winning strategy. So we've got to do something else. That's where I'm just like, I don't understand. I don't understand. And my advice is the same to the Cypriots. Turkey came and stole your land. They stole your land.

• 48:53Speaker 00

  They kicked you off, they killed people, stole all your shit. And they just said, yeah, sorry, it's ours now. We don't want you to have anymore. You woke up on a Saturday and they legitimately just stole your land. They did a Nakba on Cyprus. And Cyprus moved the fuck on. They're mad as hell, but they moved the fuck on. And so now the country's growing and they have a normal life. And so it's like, yeah, a very unfair thing happened to you. And now how you deal with that will determine what your future is like. That's not a pass for Turkey. And if you can get strong enough to go take your shit back, get strong enough, take your shit back.

• 49:34Speaker 00

  But it's like, dude, in the interim, fucking hell, do not just grind your people into poverty. That's so, that's so dumb. I don't understand. An unfair thing happened to you and unjust. It is completely horrible. Can you reverse it through force? Yes, great, do it. I got it. Wars, hell, it will be immoral, it will be disgusting, but if that's the play that you think you need to make, great. Oh, you can't take it back militarily? What are you gonna do? The next 40 or 50 years, fuck my people. I don't care how much starvation or how shitty life is. I'm, I'm going to be right. It's just so weird to me. That's it. You guys, thank you so much for everybody that stayed with us today. I appreciate you guys so much.

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