Iran Ceasefire is DEAD, Spencer Pratt Quits & the DSA Says the Quiet Part Out Loud| The Tom Bilyeu Show

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  Tyler Robinson's boyfriend's testimony is played during the preliminary hearing, and it is damning, both for Tyler and, dare I say, Candace Owens. You guys are going to want to hear that. Gary's Economics also had a very rough time as tax experts absolutely batter his new documentary for being naive. Some really interesting stuff going back and forth on X about that as well. Spencer Pratt gives up on his candidacy in a video detailing how the election was rigged. Rigged is an interesting word. You're going to want to hear it from him. We're going to go through that video in detail. I think it's pretty damning, especially because he's saying that it's not really wide scale fraud that you have to worry about. So what is it? We're going to go through that.

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  More DSA members admit on camera that they are actively trying to destroy the United States. Not making that up. It's not hyperbole. Rupert Lowe reveals sayings on Rogan that will make you mad enough to chew glass, at least if you're wired like I am. And we're going deep on recent analysis. A recent analyst claimed that AI as an industry is totally screwed. So all of that and more coming out. Shout out, by the way, to our friends at Humble House. We used to have a whole lot more of these, but we have just been eating them so much. They are absolutely delicious. And you can get 15% off some of the best sauces in the world at humblehousefoods.com. Use code TOM to get 15% off.

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  We literally have people fighting over these things here. So shout out to those guys. Louis Morales reached out. He's been an avid fan of the live show, which we appreciate. We know we sometimes see you in the feed, my man. We love it. So thank you for being a part of this. Thank you for making a product that is amazing, that has super clean ingredients, and very honored that you're supporting us. So you guys are dope. We love your stuff. All right, everybody. This is a wild time to be alive. I know it can be easy to get numb to what's going on in Iran, but the ceasefire really is as dead as disco right now. That is not a good thing if you like stability in the markets. Trump just said straight up at the NATO summit on Wednesday that this was done. He said further negotiation would be a waste of time.

• 3:43Speaker 00

  Now, listen, that's part of the negotiation. I get it, but clearly things are not going well. Clearly, the MOU was a market soothing device that neither side really thought was anything other than buying themselves time. So cue the missiles and more fighter jets because CENTCOM just absolutely hammered Iran with consecutive nights of strikes, hitting roughly 90 targets most recently, which was on top of the already massive first night of returning to strikes, where there were 80-plus strikes. The target list is also beginning to look different. We had the familiar defensive systems, coastal surveillance, missile and drone storage, naval assets, that kind of stuff.

• 4:23Speaker 00

  But now we're starting to get military logistics infrastructure along Iran's coastline and in a supposed corridor that's been allowing China to help restock Iran. We're still avoiding the oil facilities, which is great. I would love to see us avoid that as long as possible. They do appear to really be trying to isolate Iran from China and anybody else that would be attempting to help rearm them. Overall goal, I hope for all of us, pretty obvious at this point. They want to destroy Iran's ability to shoot at the tankers going through the Strait of Hormuz. And that really is, as much as they want us to have all eyes on the nuclear side of this,

• 5:05Speaker 00

  right now, the big issue is the Strait of Hormuz. So through all of this, the US is also being forced into heightened alert over assassination attempts on Trump and other members of our government. If you guys saw during the funeral for Khomeini, they had this gigantic sign that said, "We're going to kill Trump."

• 5:29Speaker 00

  As Trump was leaving Turkey, Israel warned there were credible threats against him. The Secret Service then convinced Trump to fly back on the old Air Force One instead of the new one that was gifted by Qatar. Nobody's saying that they don't trust Qatar. They're just saying that, well, maybe that version of Air Force One is not as capable. It may be more drenched in gold, but it's not as defensively capable. So he actually did end up heeding that warning, which is probably wise, and came back on the old one. Now, Iran is obviously upset about all of this, and they are continuing to lash out at US bases in Bahrain and Kuwait. So far, heavy emphasis on so far, the damage has been pretty minimal.

• 6:12Speaker 00

  But Iran's parliament speaker remains completely defiant through all of this. And man, if you watch some of the videos, they definitely don't look like they are interested in playing nice at all. And they're saying that the strait will only open on Iranian arrangements, not American threats. And now the threats are flying back and forth pretty openly. There was some hearing. I didn't get time to look up what the hearing was, but the delegate from Iran warned the US delegate to be polite, I think was the word that he said. And then, of course, US delegate failed to take that advice and was pushing back, saying, "Hey, I'm not going to take this kind of talk from somebody that kills their own citizens." So we can expect this to continue to be wild.

• 6:56Speaker 00

  Now, as you would expect, given all of the renewed uncertainty, the markets are a-moving. WTI crude jumped 4.4% Wednesday to $73.52. It's the biggest one-day move since early June. We also had a two-day gain of over 7%. And I suppose if you're betting on oil going up, you're happy. But if you're every human that doesn't want to see the price of oil go up, because that's basically just inflation, this is not great news. Brent has pushed back above $78. The Dow has dropped 577 points. The S&P fell by 0.3%. But to keep it all in perspective, so far, we're not getting back to the unhinged levels where we were at about $126 back in April.

• 7:41Speaker 00

  So we're nowhere near that right now. Great news. The way to read this is probably that traders are pricing this as elevated risk, but not a return to full-scale war. We'll see as things play out. I don't take any one moment in the markets very seriously. Things could obviously get very volatile again. We could see those prices go back up. It's going to really be determined by how much oil is the US able to keep going through the strait. Now, from what I've seen, we're in the double digits of ships transiting, but I imagine it's an absolutely small percentage of what was going through when the MOU seemed to be holding things a little bit more steady and certainly a far cry from where we were before all of this kicked off. So yeah, I'd be, if you're a day trader, yikes.

• 8:26Speaker 00

  I wouldn't want to be you, but I would be very careful, assuming that this is anything approaching static. And so you're going to have to live inside of your portfolio from minute to minute, which, PS, I do not advise people do, man, unless this is your full-time job. Yeah, way too much volatility. I would position yourself for the unknown and not that you've got the readout, man. We are, yeah, moments away from things escalating, something weird happening, the strait getting shut down, another ship getting hit, you know, whatever. The US putting their blockade up and just not letting anything go. So we'll see exactly what happens, but this is certainly wild times, man. This is wild, and this is not going anywhere anytime soon. We talked about that before.

• 9:10Speaker 00

  I really do think this is going to drag on for quite some time. Will it be catalogued as a forever war? Yes, probably by pundits. Will it have the same cost structure? That's really what this is going to be about. We're going to get more into inflation and debt and all of that good stuff, of course, as we go. And war is expensive. So not a fun time. I'd much rather see all the stability in the world return, but that ain't going to happen anytime soon. Money printer, go brr. Money printer, go brr, Drew, at all times, at all times.

• 9:44Speaker 01

  Yep, we're gonna be here for a while. Get comfortable. Start practicing your Iranian. What do they speak in?

• 9:49Speaker 00

  Damn. Farsi? How we're going there?

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Start practicing your Farsi.

• 9:54Speaker 00

  I'm gonna need... That was not what I expected Drew to say. Drew, are you saying that we as diplomats, we need to speak the language of the opponent? Or are you saying...

• 10:05Speaker 01

  They got Jared Kushner out there. Tom, they might need to have to add you into the team. Maybe if we had some actual diplomats, that would happen, but...

• 10:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. We're trying to...

• 10:15Speaker 00

  Unfortunately, Eric, I don't know what's wrong with it. So I don't know how to fix it. I think my earpiece looks ugly, everybody is... Oh, I didn't put it down my back, Eric. Oh.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  My neck and my back.

• 10:24Speaker 00

  The failure. I'm not used to it yet. I'm not used to it yet. So forgive me if my earpiece looks trash this whole time because I have to thread it through my shirt, which I failed to do. Shame on me.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  We'll be okay. A former CIA operative has also said that the Kurds getting involved could be like, you know, adding some bit of a variable to the fire. Maybe that can actually help us. I don't know the likelihood of that or if this is just speculation, but do you think that we could have?

• 10:50Speaker 00

  Well, at this point, it's definitely just speculation, but the weather it's going to go through. So we had John Kiryakow, I believe is his name. So former CIA operative, I believe, is his official former title. I don't believe he's still with the CIA. But he was saying basically that this is them getting involved is basically 100% certainty. Now, he doesn't know that for sure, but when you look at the playbook, that is most likely something that's going to happen. So the Kurds, people expect them to come in and fight on the side of the US. That the Middle East really is taking sides now. So you've got the UAE that's all in with the US. You've got Saudi Arabia, I think Qatar,

• 11:35Speaker 00

  that are more like, nah, we're gonna wait and see how this all plays out. They're not necessarily overcommitting to a side. Oman is gonna be important in all of this because people are hugging their coast. And so if they end up siding with the US and creating like, hey, Iran, you do your thing, but if people stay on our side, we're gonna take that as a challenge to our sovereignty and you can fuck off. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out. I'd be a little surprised that they were that bold, but... So anyway, going back to the Kurds. So they're a fighting force that can give you ground troops in Iran that are Iranians, that are opposed to the regime, that have been trying to take it down. And at one point at the beginning of this, we tried to get them a bunch of weapons and then Trump said that they were stolen

• 12:20Speaker 00

  and that they didn't get distributed appropriately. I don't know if it was stolen by the Kurds and they were supposed to go to the actual people of Iran. I'm not sure what their actual detailed plan was there, but it clearly did not go according to plan. So if originally they had expected the Kurds to grab the weapons and actually fight, they didn't do that. But now John Kiryakow is saying he expects them to work with the CIA to launch something official there on the ground. We'll see. I don't have enough detailed research on that yet to have any confidence myself. I can just say what he is saying. And we'll see if that ends up playing out. If that did work and the US could get ground troop support, but not have to supply it themselves, that would be better.

• 13:05Speaker 00

  As a reminder to everybody, we still have like 5,000 Marines stationed in the area that could be ready to go at a moment's notice. Trump has said many times that he wants to take Karg Island. So we'll see if that ends up happening. I still think that would be an escalation. That would be so damaging to the American psyche. I think that that would be really problematic for him. And if you put people on the ground, they're now stationary targets that are much easier to hit. Your only hope would be that you can sort of hide around the infrastructure enough that Iran wouldn't want to strike their own island. I think that's part of what they would bet on if they were doing that. But ooh, that one is very unnerving. We talked about this briefly before,

• 13:48Speaker 00

  but Professor Jiang believes that the only reason we don't have ground troops there now is because the weather in Iran... This is like the summer variant of you never send troops into Russia in the winter. You never send troops into Iran in the summer because it's just so hot.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  It's a desert.

• 14:04Speaker 00

  And so he's expecting there to be troops at some point this year, which is crazy.

• 14:10Speaker 01

  I mean, we do have a presence in Turkey. We have a presence with some of our military bases in the area. So it's not like we're importing them from the US. You know, we're in the neighborhood. We're just not at the house yet.

• 14:20Speaker 00

  Yes, but US troops dying in this conflict would not go over well. So it doesn't matter whether we station them in Turkey or the UAE. That is not going to matter to Americans at all. And ultimately, America being a democracy, you really are held accountable to the people in a way that Iran is not. Thank God, right? Because Iran, literally, same way with China. If they think you're getting too uppity, they shoot you in the face. And I know there are plenty of people that will have you believe that that's exactly how ICE acts. These people have no idea what they're talking about. So when you have a truly repressive regime that rolls up into Tiananmen Square on the streets of Iran and they'll happily roll up with tanks, whatever,

• 15:05Speaker 00

  and just open fire with live ammunition, that's a totally different scenario than, okay, wait, was the car being pulled forward or not? One person gets killed. It's a different scene. So I still don't think we have real numbers about how many people Iran has killed. But I don't think anybody's saying it was less than 2,500. Most people, I think, put the number north of 5,000 and you hear reports all the way up to 40,000 plus. So yeah, at that point, it's in no way, shape or form to make light of the people that have been killed in the ICE conflicts. But if people think that there's some sort of equivalency, it's, that's madness.

• 15:47Speaker 00

  So Trump has a problem to deal with politically that Iran does not. And so this could get very dangerous for the people of Iran very quickly if the Kurds come in, try to do an uprising. They're, you know, all hell breaks loose. We send troops into the ground. It just... This is one of those things that I think it's very difficult to know exactly what's going to happen. As they say in war, the enemy always gets a say. So you can make all the plans in the world and have, hey, this really strategic plan for what you're gonna do on Karg Island. And then they roll up and, you know, get 5, 10, 20 troops and America will spaz.

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• 18:42Speaker 00

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  I'm going slightly off script because we brought it up. Did you hear about the ice shooting that happened recently?

• 18:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, so another one added. I kinda said my piece on the Iran thing. We're gonna be here for a while and get comfortable. It's a forever war.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  Anything else you feel like we need to add to this?

• 19:01Speaker 00

  I mean, this is so the the real context for me about what's going on in Iran is going to be America's gonna have to decide what his foreign policy is. So the world order is changing. I still believe all eyes need to be on China. My ears always perk up when I hear, okay, now we're attacking infrastructure that we believe, at least as it's being reported right now, that we believe China was using to rearm Iran, which would mean that China is not being, if this is correct, and I don't have, no one has enough details on this yet, I think, to give you a real answer. But certainly, if you make that base assumption as to why they're hitting the bridges that they're hitting along the roads

• 19:41Speaker 00

  that lead up to areas that people are saying that China is sending equipment through, it certainly would make sense. That's where I get, okay, China is not as neutral in all of this, or as hands off in all of this as maybe we want to believe. If this is going to be a play where China and the US begin a proxy battle in Iran, that becomes a very different thing. So there are a lot of people looking at this, saying that this is really the US fighting a war on behalf of Israel. But is it? Is this that? Certainly, there is a massive desire on the part of Israel to strike.

• 20:21Speaker 00

  Netanyahu recently said that if the US asked him to, he will re-enter the attacks on Iran joyfully, I'm sure. I think Trump is trying to make it clear that this is not a return to war. Obviously, there are political reasons why he doesn't want this being billed as a war. I don't think you're gonna hear him call it a war anymore. I think his advisors finally told him to knock that off, because that certainly wasn't playing well for him politically. So I don't think that's what this is. I don't think it was ever an Israel leading the US into something. Again, I've laid out my case for what exactly I think Trump is doing. If anybody in the chat wants to speedrun that, I'm happy to do it. But right now, I think focusing on, okay, what is the dynamic between the US and China? What's going on there?

• 21:06Speaker 00

  China having a massive incentive to get the US bogged down in a war in Iran, so that they can then make their move on Taiwan, which is really where I think everybody's eyes need to be. You can see, we talked about the what's going on, China's move on gold and trying to get out from under the dollar. We've talked about what China's doing with AI, trying to use the open source models to just absolutely crater the revenue potential of AI as the leader in the US stock market, which is really everything right now. And the US stock market is riding on the back of the technology play, which is riding on the back of AI. So whether it's because chips are going up, or it's directly the AI companies themselves,

• 21:51Speaker 00

  China's like, oh, word, we're gonna use the distillation method as a way to come in and crater the revenue potential, which is already low in the US. We're gonna talk about this later today, man. We've got a deep dive on this. We're gonna be talking, if you guys know, Ed Zitron is really bearish on AI. He's got some things you don't want to ignore. You're gonna wanna hear what he says about the AI industry. So if I'm China, and I'm like, yo, I can drag you guys into this forever war in Iran, keep supplying them just enough to keep going, but be hands off, plausible deniability enough, I'm not sending ships, but I'm letting you get sucked into all that. My real prize is to reunify with Taiwan,

• 22:32Speaker 00

  which, by the way, isn't just that we feel the desire to be reunified with Taiwan. It is that we want access to them. Chips, baby, them chips. Good luck getting the controls, the export controls on us, when the largest chip manufacturer to the US, which is driving so much of what Nvidia is doing, is in Taiwan. If we have physical control of that, those chips belong to us, and good luck to you getting a hold of those chips. And that would just completely flip the script. So it, from a strategic standpoint on behalf of China, it's pretty smart. Let us get bogged down. Let us just keep pouring money into Iran. Let it be a political distraction.

• 23:16Speaker 00

  Defang Trump. Make him do everything via executive order. Let him lose the will of his own party. Let him lose the midterms. Get a Republican president out in 2028. Give me a nice, soft Democrat in there, so we can get back to just running the table. And it's a brilliant strategy. Obviously, I hate everything about it, but if you're Chinese, it's brilliant. And Xi, Xi, Xi, somebody in the comments is trying to help me, which I appreciate. Apparently, it's not Xi, it's Xi.

• 23:51Speaker 01

  Xi.

• 23:51Speaker 00

  Xi. So my Chinese is nonexistent.

• 23:54Speaker 01

  There it is.

• 23:55Speaker 00

  So I'll just assume that that's accurate. So yeah, that is, if you're Xi, it is a brilliant way to play out the very long-term strategy that you have, that you've been running for a long time. Now, we can easily fractal onto what's going on with Xi's government and the housing crisis and all of that. Okay, I started all of this because the picture I'm trying to paint for people, especially if you're thinking about the markets, is the the world order is changing dramatically.

• 24:29Speaker 00

  All eyes on China. All eyes on the US market weakness right now. I'm always very hesitant to talk about what I'm doing, because I'm so afraid, A, that I'm wrong, and that people will just ape what I'm doing, and then I get walloped, they get walloped. I'm not looking for that. But by way of my mental model, is I'm being more and more paranoid with every passing day, that there's just way too much instability, and that it's being knowingly egged on by China, and that they're doing things specifically to try and weaken our markets. So yeah, I would, this is a time to be paranoid. So you've heard me say this before,

• 25:10Speaker 00

  but in entrepreneurial land, one thing that CEOs talk about all the time, investors talk about all the time, is only the paranoid survive. And so I'm certainly bringing that MO to my approach to the markets, despite just being up.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  Some clarification from the chat. Are you saying China is behind the war in Iran?

• 25:29Speaker 00

  No.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Okay. They're just like a sponsor.

• 25:32Speaker 00

  No, no, Trump is behind the war in Iran. Trump was trying to get on Mount Rushmore. Trump was trying to secure all those investment dollars in the Middle East. Trump has long had beef with Iran. That's why, again, I don't think this is about Israel. Trump has been banging on about Iran since the 80s, man. So Trump is old enough that he remembers when Iran was taking US people hostage, when we had the embassy takeover in Iran, when the Shah fell. Like, that's all very real for Trump. And so in the 80s, this was like way more in the public consciousness, where they were hijacking airplanes,

• 26:12Speaker 00

  they were killing US citizens. And so that really, I think, sticks in his mind. So part of it is, he wants to be the one that finally has the balls to go in and do what every administration said they were gonna do, but never did, which has stopped them from having nuclear weapons. And it unfortunately is a case of FFO in that, yeah, you might be the strongest military in the world, but this stuff never goes according to plan. And so he's got a different kind of, if this ends up being like a truly protracted forever war, I will give some credit to the world seems to have moved on from just throwing troops in the mix, and the US sort of being the pinnacle of that.

• 26:53Speaker 00

  But nonetheless, it will bleed you. So what I'm saying in terms of China is, oh, I'm watching Trump, and I can't remember, it may have been in the art of war, though, I'm not entirely sure about that. But there's a very famous quote, this is never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake. So I think China is advantaged by what's going on in Iran, as long as they can deal with their energy concerns, and they do, I think, have very real energy concerns, because they were getting, I think, roughly 20% of their oil from Iran. But I'm sure they can find other ways around that, including, by the way, buying from the US, which is pretty wild.

• 27:32Speaker 00

  But they like us being drugged into a massive distraction, so that they can move on Taiwan. But in no uncertain terms, Trump made this mess for himself.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  That's a Napoleon quote, by the way, but there's no true primary source, according to the internet.

• 27:48Speaker 00

  So it's one of those apocryphal things that it's a cool sentence.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:52Speaker 00

  So we're gonna keep repeating it. As Churchill said, as Sun Tzu said, as Napoleon said, yeah, yeah, fair. It's still a very smart idea.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  All right, let's jump over Rupert Lowe.

• 28:02Speaker 00

  And thank you, by the way, for that fact check, Ryan.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  I gotcha. Who was talking about Lebanon as an example of the, I guess, Muslimification of the West.

• 28:12Speaker 00

  Here's where I put my earpiece back in. All right, let's play. Actually, wait, hold on. Let me set this up for people that don't know. Okay, so you got your boy here Rupert Lowe. If you don't know who Rupert Lowe is, he is the head of the Restore Britain Party in the UK. And they are, he absolutely despises when people call him far right. But that is certainly how people on the left see him, is that there's the original far right was Reform Britain. So you had Nigel Farage Reform, and then Rupert Lowe was kicked out of that party and goes even farther.

• 28:55Speaker 00

  Again, he doesn't like this characterization, but he goes even farther right. And so he's made a ton of noise on the rape gang inquiry that he ran. That estimates that 250,000 British girls were trafficked and raped, and that it was all covered up. So anyway, that's really how he comes to prominence. He is, I think you could pretty safely say that he's anti-Muslim immigration, that he wants to get. I don't, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but the certainly, and vibes are dangerous. But the vibe is basically get Muslims out of the country. And so that's how he's come to prominence. So Rogan has him on the show.

• 29:39Speaker 00

  And with all that, the one that we're going to talk about now is, are you doing the Lebanon one first? Okay, so in this clip, he's talking about what happened in Lebanon. If you guys don't know, Lebanon used to be considered the Paris of the Middle East, but it was predominantly Christian. It is no longer known as the Paris of the Middle East, and he's gonna explain why.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Its independence in 1948, they were a Christian country, and they were a very confident country. They were, you know, they had the best universities, they had a very open society. I never went to Beirut. I don't know if you went to Beirut, but Beirut in the 60s was meant to be the best place on earth to be. Great wine, freedom, very enlightened. It was a great, lots of people were there. The minute that the Muslim population went over about 15%, you started to get a problem with a civil war. You've got the Druze and Maronite Christians in a civil war with the Muslims. And now Lebanon is a Muslim country.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  And Hezbollah, backed by Iran, is effectively running the show.

• 30:46Speaker 00

  It's positive, it's over, yay. So it is, one thing that's pretty interesting is if you watch the timeline of how Muslims spread out over the region. It's pretty interesting. I mean, listen, ultimately Christians did the same thing. So if you were a pagan in the Roman Empire time, you might have been just as traumatized to see Christianity spread its way around the region. If you're Christian, you're probably traumatized to watch the timeline of Islam take over. So this is one of those things, these things really do play out, and it's just a reality. So now the UK obviously is dealing with that in terms of the level of immigration that they have coming into the UK.

• 31:32Speaker 00

  To be honest, huge swathes of Europe have this same issue to contend with. So obviously, if you're Muslim, you're probably feeling pretty good about it. It's, you see it as the truth, you see it as people's salvation, and it's spreading. But the reality is that ideologies go to war with each other, whether it is purely through

• 31:57Speaker 00

  proselytizing and getting people to convert, whether it is through that plus birth rates, whatever the case may be. But this is going to be something that we have to confront over the next, call it 10 to 15 years, in just no uncertain terms. And so it is not going away. And hearing about Lebanon, more research is definitely necessary. And I'm at the very beginning of my research into Lebanon and what happened there. If you guys know Gad Saad, he's actually Lebanese. He left during one of the civil wars that Rupert Lowe is talking about, where both Jews and Christians were being chased out of the region. And so that's why he ends up immigrating to Canada.

• 32:38Speaker 00

  So it is one of those where I get that there are going to be people on both sides of this, and so fair enough. But this is something that people are gonna have to contend with. Culture matters more than basically anything. People will die for and kill for their value system in a way that they won't over most other things. And so it all is gonna be, the real question that's gonna be asked is, does Islam spread by the sword? Or are they just, hey, listen, we go in, we are true to our faith, we try to get people as a part of our faith. We believe that it's the right way to live.

• 33:17Speaker 00

  And hey, if we end up having the better pitch, and we have stronger family values, and we have more kids, then it is what it is. And every country is going to have to ask themselves, how, like, what is the method by which you push back against cultural change in your country? Or do you push back? Or do you just let things play out naturally?

• 33:38Speaker 00

  So that's where we're at. That's where we're at. And Lebanon, anyway, Lebanon's gonna be a flashpoint. You're gonna hear this more and more because Lebanon is one that you can point to. Modern history, I mean, for somebody my age, it feels like modern history in the 60s. You can see the footage, you can see the videos. Lebanon looks amazing, beautiful. And now it looks like a war-torn country with bullet holes everywhere. One of the big debates around Lebanon is, do the Lebanese people want the involvement of Hezbollah or not? Given that Hezbollah is a, they answer to Iran, they do not answer to the Lebanese. There's obviously a lot of debate about that.

• 34:21Speaker 00

  And this is one of those things that is very hard to ascertain. Same thing with Iran. How, what percentage of the Iranian people support the IRGC? And what percentage support getting out from under the IRGC? I think it's impossible to know, just like in the US. If you try to paint the picture that we're all leaning to the left, or you try to paint the picture that we're all leaning to the right, you're gonna be wrong. It just isn't true. We are a nation divided. And so I think it's, it is almost certainly far more accurate to say Lebanon is divided about what ties they want to Iran. That Iran is divided about the IRGC.

• 35:01Speaker 00

  And as an outsider, I mean, even as an insider, trying to ascertain exactly what the split is, is going to be difficult. So, but yeah, expect, expect massive propaganda in the coming years. Like, everybody is gonna be fighting for their side.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  I think what confuses me, and I just need to set some basic assumptions down, is Rupert Lowe saying country plus Muslim equals chaos?

• 35:26Speaker 00

  Country plus, he, I think, so, okay, me putting words in his mouth is dangerous, and there's plenty of him talking, and we can start showing more clips of Rupert Lowe. But Tom's interpretation of Rupert Lowe goes like this.

• 35:40Speaker 00

  Over my dead body, Britain has an identity. It is very easy to identify who we are, what we stand for. And it is Christian values, we are a Christian nation, and we are going to have to push back against people that would have you believe that we either don't have an identity, and so why would we ever push back against another religion? We're not a Christian nation to begin with. So he's gonna say, hard pass, that's bullshit, total lie, I'm not gonna stand for it. He's also going to, he beats the drum, again, this is my interpretation. To really have this, we'd have to show more clips of him talking. But I think that I'll be vindicated, that he is saying, on a per capita basis,

• 36:24Speaker 00

  that immigrants, full stop, are, they have crime rates that are much higher. And that the collision that's happening in the UK right now is specifically Islamic in nature. I don't know his, how careful he is to separate Muslims from Islamists. I don't know if he goes out of his way to do that. I haven't seen enough of him to have a mental model there. But the name of the party, I think, tells you everything. So Restore Britain, Restore it to what? I think he's probably gonna peg somewhere in the 60s to 90s, when

• 37:04Speaker 00

  white Britons made up something like 78% of the population. I mean, it's just, it is a truly overwhelming number. And that number is getting smaller and smaller and smaller. And when you start looking at the cities like London, then it really, I don't know that white Britons are a minority in London. But I would imagine that number has dropped significantly enough that they can point to stats. I've seen it before, it just didn't stick in my memory. That the drop is startling, to be sure. And so, of course, because white gets thrown in there, everybody freaks out. Taking a short break, but there's more Impact Theory after. Stay tuned.

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• 38:59Speaker 00

  Thanks for staying tuned. Now, let's get back to it.

• 39:01Speaker 01

  Um, I don't, that's not where I'm freaking out. I think I'm freaking out because I thought this was about like the welfare state. But then with the example of like Lebanon, he's saying, once Muslim populations reach 15%, their country went to shit. Like, they had Christian presidents as far as recent as 1980s. There's so many other things that leads to the instability of a country, and I'm speaking from experience with Haiti, as in, it's this shithole and everybody says it's a terrible country, and then we remove all the foreign intervention that has happened for the last 100 years. So it's one of those things, I can look at Saudi Arabia, that's a completely Muslim country that has been prospering and going in the positive direction. So I think the base assumption that if there's more Muslims in my country, my country's going to shit.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  Does it, it breaks that for me, because I can point to Muslim countries that are thriving in a way that other places are. Ray Dalio was chilling in the Middle East chasing capitals, so he wouldn't do that if that was a shithole nation? So that's where I'm trying to figure out, like, I thought it was a welfare state thing, but we're not talking about welfare in this clip. We're talking about just the presence of Muslims, period.

• 40:00Speaker 00

  Well, so in the full interview, he definitely does talk about welfare. There's another clip on that that we should definitely play.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  We can play that.

• 40:08Speaker 00

  But so if what we're trying to do is, okay, we want to lay out, what is the full argument? Why are people twigging out about Muslims entering a country? And if you look, there are Muslim countries where, hey, it's beautiful, it's a beautiful people, why are we tense about this? I would say there's two parts, three parts of that. So one is the immigrants, what their draw is on the social welfare, welfare system. One is a changing of values, so it's in the interim period where the values are being, they were one thing and now they're becoming something else, and the people that were there, that had the value set, they're not going to be super thrilled about that.

• 40:51Speaker 00

  And then you've got the crime problem specifically in Britain, where you have two-tier policing, you have the up to 250,000, what the real number is, the report claims that, people say that that's overblown, so what's the real number? But by the time that 250,000 is even remotely plausible, you have a real problem. The Henry Noack of it all, in terms of, again, two-tier policing, that everybody's so afraid of being called a racist, that we're just like letting all of this slide. So you start putting that together, and it's, it really does create problems,

• 41:30Speaker 00

  if only that the, the people, a very substantive percentage of people will not want that kind of radical change. Humans don't like change, like just full stop. So this is part of the reason they rebel against AI, it's part of the reason that they're going to rebel against having immigrants come into your country. Now, on the Muslim versus Islamist, these are sort of new words that we're starting to use. So people are careful to say, um, listen, the, if you look at especially the New Testament, there's plenty, or the Old Testament, excuse me, there's plenty of things like stone gave people to death and all kinds of crazy shit. And it's like Christians had to find a way to come to grips with that.

• 42:15Speaker 00

  Obviously, at one point, people's interpretation of the Bible said, go to the Middle East and run the crusades. And so if you were alive during that time, you'd be like, what the fuck is going on? So we had to go through, not we, but Christians had to go through a reformation to chill the fuck out, and they did that. And so right now, on a global scale, when you hear about acts of terrorism, eh, it's not predominantly Christian, not by a long shot. It's predominantly, right now, Islamist. So that is where people are going to raise their hand first and say, no, no, no, they're responsible for, it's like 46,000 attacks over some not nearly long enough period of time.

• 43:00Speaker 00

  And so people go, alright, clearly they're the violent ones. And then you talk to Muslims who are like, hold the fucking phone, man. Like, we are a religion of peace, you guys are out of your minds, the vast majority of Muslims are completely nonviolent. You painting us all with this brush is absolute insanity, what are you doing? And then that's where, and I'll say, this is the Sam Harris read, he was one of the earliest people on this.

• 43:28Speaker 00

  Ayaan Hirsiya Ali, I'm pretty close to her name, I think that's right. She married to Neil Ferguson, the guy that wrote the book that I'm obsessed with about the Rothschilds, anyway. So she and he really were like trying to bang a similar drum, which is,

• 43:49Speaker 00

  Islam needs a reformation. So it doesn't make sense to try to villainize all of Islam, it doesn't make sense to villainize Muslims. But it does need a reformation, and so you need the, just the same way that Christians had to police other Christians and tell them to chill the fuck out and stop running crusades, you need the Muslims who are peaceful, loving, welcoming, incredible people. You need them to clamp down on the extremism. And the great irony is that some of the things that we allow in the West, things like the Muslim Brotherhood, which we have outlawed, but not everybody has, some of those things,

• 44:33Speaker 00

  in the Middle East, they're like, you guys are fucking stupid, and there's that clip that I played multiple times before, but there's a guy who I believe is Muslim, he's certainly living in the Middle East, and he says, I'm going to say the next part in English, so there's no mistranslation. He said, "In the future, the biggest Muslim extremist will be born in Europe." Because you guys think you understand the mindset of people in the Middle East, and you do not. And so you're not going, the implication was, you're going to tolerate things you absolutely should not tolerate, and you're going to get hammered for doing so.

• 45:11Speaker 00

  And that, now sort of plug Rupert into that, and that's, he's that antibody response in Britain to say, no, no, no. We're not going to tolerate this. Now, the debate on Rupert is going to be, well, does he become the monster that he fears? Is he swinging so far in the other direction? Is he going to be so draconian that he ends up throwing the baby out with the bathwater? And truly peaceful Muslims that have set up a good life in the UK, that are wonderful additions to the local community, that they're all going to get tossed out, or at a minimum, just that the rhetoric he's putting out is so hateful

• 45:52Speaker 00

  that it just spills over and it becomes like the Germans after World War II, basically everywhere. Where everyone was just like, fuck you, man, because, and they're like, hold on, I'm American, I was never over there. But you just have the wrong last name, and so people now are turning against you. So that's a lot of the discomfort that's going to play out. So you have a religion that at least from my opinion, I buy into the, they need a reformation. They need people to come up with ways to either ignore or translate the Quran and the Hadith in ways that minimize some of the strike them in the neck and like all that shit. Also, killing people that want to leave their religion, not ideal.

• 46:36Speaker 00

  Obviously, treating women like second-class citizens, not ideal. So there's going to need to be some way that they find a path to, if they want to integrate into Western civilization. So that's what's going to stick.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  I feel like Megyn Kelly just went off and snapped on Haitians on her show and was like, they're not assimilating, they're not doing this, they're not doing that. Haiti is a predominant, primarily Catholic state, every Haitian I know is Christian, I met him through a church. We also don't come through with hijabs and we don't treat women as second-class citizens, but in this banner of immigration, we caught the smoke too. So I think that while a lot of that stuff sounds good, I think it runs as a cover story of like, no, we just don't want these people here. And if it's like, you don't want these people here, like, say it with your chest, it's okay then, it's not bad, that's how you feel, that's how you feel. Like, I don't judge people for their feelings, tell me your feelings, and I can understand if I want to operate with you, if I don't want to operate with you.

• 47:32Speaker 01

  But I think right now, it's like we're playing gymnastics, like, well, we don't like these kind of people because of this, and then the conversation shifts, and we don't like these kind of people because of this, and then before we know it, there's no Muslims there anymore. And the whole ethos of it is like, if you see somebody that doesn't look like you, you have a problem with them, you want them out of your country. Me and you both agree, I think this is an economic problem because the economics are tight, now we're going to expel everybody that we don't like, so.

• 47:56Speaker 00

  I'll say this one really does, it is fueled by the economics, this one isn't pure economics. The reason being that people will fight and die for their values. Now, people look for a team to be on and somebody to point their anger at in a populist moment like we're in now, that is all economic. So think of it this way, it will be far easier to recruit.

• 48:21Speaker 00

  White nationalists in a time where the economy shaky way easier. But nonetheless, no matter what, even in good economic times, you're going to find that there's going to be pushback if there is a conflict of values that's playing out in policy. So for instance, you've got, I forget if it was in Dearborn, Michigan, it was somewhere here in the US where the city council became either predominantly or entirely Muslim and they outlawed the LGBTQ flag.

• 48:54Speaker 03

  They didn't outlaw the flag. So they outlawed every flag except for like five specific ones. So it wasn't specifically a attack on queer people, just for context.

• 49:04Speaker 00

  Okay, so.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  You could fly, you could fly the Michigan flag, you fly the US flag, it was like.

• 49:08Speaker 03

  Right. It was like, it was still, still an overstep, totally. But I think that story gets painted as anti queer when it was really just, they had a specific, only these flags can be flown.

• 49:18Speaker 00

  Okay, so this is, this is a really interesting point that will show how different people parse the world. So this is, if you have, my read of this is Funny Games. I've talked about this before, watch the movie Funny Games, where they use social convention against people. You can find plenty of footage of, and I'm perfectly happy to accept that these are super fringe radical characters, way the fuck out on the edge, that Muslims would disavow with their full chest. But you can find plenty of footage of people saying, "We are going to use your liberties against you. We are going to use your, your liberalism

• 50:00Speaker 00

  against you, but we are not a liberal religion. And when we get power, we are going to shut these things down." I'm sure you've heard the argument a thousand times about, you've got Queers for Palestine, but Palestine for Queers is Queers getting thrown off the roof. So that's one where you might say, "No, no, no, it's never going to play out like that." All I'm trying to say, and I think that there are smart, well-intentioned people that will say, "No, it's not going to play out like that." If you want to know what then plays on a loop in my mind, is the guy in the Middle East going, "You guys think you understand it, you're fucking fools. You don't get it. If you don't like, put strong limits on this, you're going to give birth to more radical Islamists than the Middle East is going to."

• 50:43Speaker 00

  And so that's my mental model. Now, we're going to see over time if that ends up being true or not, but yes.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  We're going to birth more terrorists in the West than we will in the Middle East.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  We just bombed a girl's school and killed 300 girls. If that was my sister that got bombed, I wouldn't like America either. So we keep waving away, the, the reason that there was mass immigration to the UK in the first place was because of the war on terror. We were in there 10 years.

• 51:11Speaker 00

  That's not true.

• 51:14Speaker 03

  Wait, what was the thing I had to fact check? I was reading comments.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  The middle, the reason that they were even claiming for refugee was because their countries were destabilized. They were coming from Pakistan, they were coming from Afghanistan.

• 51:23Speaker 00

  Why not go to a Middle Eastern country that's already majority Muslim?

• 51:28Speaker 03

  Cause I feel like we're still, you know, invading those countries, still bombing those countries versus a more Western.

• 51:34Speaker 00

  Saudi Arabia is super chill. We're not fucking with Saudi Arabia.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  Saudi Arabia just got chill because they finally kissed the ring for America. Saudi Arabia was going through the same thing in the eighties.

• 51:41Speaker 00

  Wait, wait, wait. Earlier today, you were saying that Saudi Arabia was like, yeah, it's a good place. Well, technically you said the Middle East, but you were talking about Ray Dalio, he's going to a Muslim country because everything's great. So now you're telling me that these guys won't go somewhere that Ray Dalio will go? That doesn't make sense.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  Okay, so let's, let's start, let's, cause we're, we're playing clock. Like, we're starting the clock today, then we're going to go to the eighties, then we're going to go to, so just like with Lebanon, why isn't Lebanon prosperous today? Are we not going to talk about the things that led to Lebanon where it is, or they have to be good now? So if we're talking about right now, then we can talk about right now. I won't even bring up Muslim mass immigration. But what I'm going to say is from 10 years from now, the 300 people that we just killed that were little girls, that's going to have ramifications.

• 52:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, for sure.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  And that's going to create terrorists.

• 52:23Speaker 00

  But you, the, the claim that I responded to, that's, that has got this beat of the conversation going, is that the reason that they came to the UK was because we destabilized our country. And I'm saying that is not true. The reason that they came to the UK is because the UK is a wealthy fucking nation, and has their doors wide open, and will offer all kinds of social programs to people that they're not going to get elsewhere. That's why they've come to the West. I mean, they're also, I mean, I'll be really honest, like, we treat women better, for sure. So there are a lot of reasons why they're going to come to the

• 53:04Speaker 00

  West. And is, if you said, "The reason that some people are fleeing their country is because we've destabilized it," okay, yeah, I'll grant you that. But the question is, how many Muslim countries did they have to travel through to finally get to Europe? And that's where it's like, first of all, I mean, this, this is really going to become its own conversation very, very quickly. An area to explore that I have not put enough time to research in, so I'm at the headline level right now. But when you look at the fact that places like Egypt and Jordan won't take in Palestinian refugees, that tells you something. So there, and then again, the people in the Middle East warning, "If

• 53:49Speaker 00

  you guys think that you understand the way that radical Muslim manifests, or radical Islam manifests, you are mistaken, and you're going to see that these guys get radicalized on your shore, despite the fact that you are trying to welcome them, despite the fact that you're giving them things, it's not going to be met with, 'Cool, we love it, and we're now British, or we're now German.'" So this is where I will point everybody back to, when, one of your earlier points, which I think is great, is there's going to be this emotional response, that "I just don't want these people here." And if you strip away all the pretty language, it comes down to, "I just don't want these people here." And so now, it's, okay, what becomes the read of, "I just don't want these people

• 54:33Speaker 00

  here?" If the read is, "This is just about race," then I think you'll be eternally confused by how things play out. If it is a read of, "This, these are people that don't share your values," then all of a sudden, it's like, "Oh, that's why when the Irish came to America, you've, they could get rejected just as fast. That's why Northern Ireland and Ireland proper can kill each other for hundreds of years, despite the fact that they, they look the same, they are genetically related, it, it, it doesn't matter. They don't share values, and they're willing to kill and die for that." So the, I understand that it will also get muddied with people who are just legitimately racist, but also,

• 55:19Speaker 00

  man, if I could get everybody to remember, it is so ingrained in the human animal to, to do school of fish. We're always going to pot up with people that look like us. Trout, swim the trout. I wish I knew more fish. Salmon, swim the salmon, yada, yada, yada. Like, they're all going to, you're going to find them all together, swimming in their little pods. And so it is so ingrained with us. Macaques chill with macaques. The great apes show with the great apes. It's just like, it's just the way that it is. Now, humans have invented value system transmission layers, known as religion, that allows us to ignore that and to pot up based on something else. And so I am still convinced that, let's

• 56:04Speaker 00

  take black and white, that a black person and a white person that share a religion, share similar family values, all of that, are going to see themselves in the other person far more rapidly than two people that have the same skin color, but have diametrically opposed religions. So that to me just seems self-evident. But because it's so much easier to see the skin color, I think people get very, very confused about what the real issue is. And that's the part that scares me. One, it scares me that people think that just because somebody doesn't want change, that they're a bad person. I think that's already stupid. And then, that when you see two people colliding over values, that you try to make

• 56:47Speaker 00

  it about race, and that just means you won't be able to solve the problem, because, again, you think it's about race. So this is where, this is going to be a very difficult thing for people to parse through. This is going to be one of the most trying times. I think we'll get on the other side of it. I think all is going to be well. But it's going to be a trying time because, much like with economics, people confuse the actual root of the problem, in this case, they think it's racism, and by confusing the root of the problem, you will try to solve the problem in the wrong way. And the way that we are going to have to solve the immigration problem in the US is to state, "This is what America

• 57:29Speaker 00

  stands for," right? Remember when we founded the country, it was all about that. Who are we? What do we stand for? What are we willing to fight for? What are we willing to die for? Write it down. And so we've got to be able to articulate that. And we have completely lost the plot. Hopefully we'll have time later where I can show you the DSA in their own words, saying they're trying to destroy America. So we have.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  On that next.

• 57:50Speaker 00

  We have just completely lost the plot as Americans about what we stand for. They're going through what Rupert Lowe is trying to point out, is they're going through the same thing in the UK. They've lost the sense of what they stand for. A lot of this is an echo of post-World War II, where it was like, "Uh, we can't, like, these nation states, like, this is a fucking problem. We can't have another Hitler. We cannot have this sociopath rise to power, telling people to be ultra Germans, and to lean into their Aryan-ness, and now we're going to be an ethno-national state, and we're just going to fuck up everybody and steal their land and all of that shit. We don't want that anymore. We, we have to elevate beyond that. We have to get to this global rule." The problem is, like, I get

• 58:34Speaker 00

  why people had that impulse, especially after World War II, but it is not in keeping with the human psyche. And so all of a sudden, you realize, "Oh shit, we have to use violence to get people to stay under our big globalist thumb." So this is where it's like, man, I'll just keep it to the US for a second. We've got to decide, what's our value system? And then, we should only bring in as many immigrants at, bring them in at a rate that they assimilate. And if they assimilate into that value system, you will very rapidly find that you don't have a problem with race, because everybody's getting on the same page with values. Of course, there are going to be some people that they just cannot get themselves out

• 59:16Speaker 00

  of a racial paradigm, and so they're always going to see life through the lens of race. But the actual underlying thing that will create the continued friction is becoming all these like little isolated groups that end up pulling in different directions. That's when everything goes to shit. So you want people to draw the biggest circle around the country, whatever country you're in, and say, "I'm American, I'm Venezuelan, I'm Estonian." Whatever the circle is, you want people to draw that as broadly as we can. Now, we've found that people can't, unless we're being attacked by aliens, we're not going to draw something around the whole planet. It just doesn't work like that. Too many people have too many different value systems, too many different ideas about how things ought to be.

• 1:00:01Speaker 00

  And again, people will fight and die over how things ought to be.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, y'all just don't want the people here. Just say that. We don't have to talk about spin. We don't have to talk about history. We don't have to talk about Muslim. You don't want them here, so they shouldn't be here. They shouldn't come. Block immigration. Block everybody, kick everybody out.

• 1:00:16Speaker 00

  That makes me sad. That's really...

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  That's a takeaway, though.

• 1:00:19Speaker 00

  That's your takeaway. You're very clear about that, but that is certainly not my takeaway. That feels like blunt force trauma.

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  That's Rupert's takeaway.

• 1:00:28Speaker 03

  I was gonna say, that's what Rupert's saying.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  That's Tommy's takeaway.

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  That's what a lot of chat's saying.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  That's what Chad is saying.

• 1:00:33Speaker 00

  Chad is saying, "I don't want them here."

• 1:00:35Speaker 03

  Well, I'm hiding a lot, but it's a lot of, "No immigration. Muslims can't be peaceful." I mean, it's...

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  America would be nice if it wasn't for shithole countries. Everybody's rooting for us, so that's fine. But that's the thing. If you say that, I understand it, and I don't have it. But it's the, "Well, it's because they did this thing in the 80s, and if they didn't do this..." It's like, why are we going through this roller coaster ride of you trying to, like, finesse me into making it seem like, "Oh, logically, this is why I don't..." You just don't want them here.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  It's like watching the Rupert Lowe thing. I watched the interview on Joe Rogan, and I'm like, "Dude, just say you don't like Muslims." Like, you don't need to give all this extra to try and, like, you know what I mean? I guess that's what it is for a lot of these people.

• 1:01:13Speaker 00

  Here's where I think you guys are going to run into trouble with taking that stance.

• 1:01:20Speaker 00

  If you don't understand why he is fed up, let's say. If you don't understand why he's fed up and you try to brush it under the rug, then you're not going to actually be able to put a solution in place. So even if, you guys, let's just say that you're right, and this is racism. You have one of two beliefs. Either racism is incurable, there's nothing we can do to dial it up or down. It just is what it is. Or you believe that racism can be dialed up and down. Now, if we believe that racism can be dialed up and down, and this is a time where it's dialed up, we should be asking ourselves, "What was the mechanism by which it got dialed up?" If you think it's quantum randomness, then it just is what it is, and nothing matters.

• 1:02:04Speaker 00

  If you believe that there's actually a string of cause and effect, then it's like, well, let's find out. What are we doing that dialed up racism? Now, personally, I think racism is a...

• 1:02:18Speaker 00

  ...skin suit that people wear because it gives them an easy way to navigate the world and just go, "Ah, if you don't look like me, fuck you, you're gone." But again, I will just say that currently, the idea that you guys are putting forward does not explain Ireland. And if you can't explain Ireland, then I would say you already have something that's invalidated your stance.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  You can't explain Ireland.

• 1:02:45Speaker 00

  Protestants don't want Catholics. Catholics don't want Protestants.

• 1:02:48Speaker 01

  For the same reasons that we're talking about now.

• 1:02:50Speaker 00

  The same reason I'm talking about. It has nothing to do with you guys are talking about.

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  They're gonna point to something that, "I don't like how you do X, because I don't like how you do X in the histories."

• 1:02:58Speaker 00

  Let's tease that apart, because it's an interesting thing that you're putting on the table. I see this with Israel-Palestine all the time, where people are debating the finer points of what happened to who, when, what, where, and all of that. It's a, if people want to interface with it that way, it's fine. The problem is what you will see, and I've seen so many of these debates. What ends up happening is, if you present somebody with a bunch of information that invalidates their worldview, it doesn't matter. They will ignore all of it, because the only thing that matters is how they feel. So, to me, that's like what we have to get to. Arguing about it, and I think you and I will agree with this, I'm not yet sure if we agree for the same reason, but we agree that the back and forth debate of all the historical context and all of that, none of that matters. You don't have to do that.

• 1:03:43Speaker 00

  The reason I don't think you have to do that is because it is so self-evidently, to me, a values collision, that it's like, you can just pick up with, "Hey, you've got two people that don't share values." For instance, we dropped two nuclear bombs on Japan, and 40 years later, they were the most powerful economy in the world. And so, I don't buy that, "Well, but they're being attacked, they're under a blockade." Doesn't matter. If somebody has, like, "I'm just gonna focus on the economy," they will pull themselves out of, like, dire straits. So, literally, in the buildup and then during World War II, Japanese people were trained to kill themselves in defense of the emperor. That was it. That was Japan. They were imperialist to the fucking core.

• 1:04:26Speaker 00

  During the Reformation of Japan, there were Japanese politicians. In fact, one of them was their president or prime minister, prime minister, for years. And he was like, "Any fool who thinks that you can make Japan a democratic nation is fooling themselves." And lo and behold, Japan becomes a democratic nation. So, there are, you can get a nation that seems like there's no way that they're actually going to be able to move forward, and they end up moving forward. So, what we have to figure out is, what was it in the psyche of the Japanese and the setup of having lost a total war? The way that the US approached helping them reform, all of that, to say, "Ooh,

• 1:05:11Speaker 00

  it has worked." And people always say, "Don't extrapolate from the Japanese." That's lunacy. Anybody trying to say that is just saying, "Well, the world's so random, we could never know." Bullshit. I get that Japan is, like, shocking. It's so surprising. But in that, in the same way that people should be very surprised by the fact that, too, if racism is your paradigm, that you can have the Irish fighting against each other, just because they interpret a small part of a book differently is fucking crazy. But it's like, just like with physics. Whatever math you put forward must describe the world that I actually see. Otherwise, your math is wrong, because I'm in the fucking world.

• 1:05:47Speaker 01

  I can describe the world that you see, and it has nothing to do with racism, has nothing to do with values, it's power and control. "I don't like these people, so I'm gonna come up with a reason and a narrative to tell you why these people are bad. And once I come up with a good enough narrative, everybody's gonna hate those people." Cat Williams said it best. "We weren't in Afghanistan killing little babies, we're in Afghanistan killing men. We're killing insurgents." I don't know any insurgents. Y'all don't know any insurgents. I don't get any insurgent homies. We can kill all the insurgents. But if I said, "I went to Afghanistan and I killed a 45-year-old dad," all the 45-year-old dads are like, "Wait, should we have done it?" If I could say, "I went to Iran and I killed a bunch of girls," why are we killing a bunch of girls? But if I say, "I went to Lebanon and killed a bunch of terrorists," I don't like terrorists neither. Let's kill more terrorists. Let's kill all the terrorists. So, whether it's the Irish versus Irish, it's, they are bad Christians because they did A, B, C, D, E.

• 1:06:31Speaker 01

  Muslims are bad people because they did A, B, C, D, E. The Japanese is good people because they did A, B, C, D, E. It's the same setup. And all you have to do is just change the A, B, C, D, E to who you're talking about, what country, what neighborhood, what territory, what religion, what ethno-state, what race, what class. It's the same thing. All you have to do is say, create a narrative, tell them why the other people are bad, call them something other than what their actual identity is, and then all of a sudden, they're the bad guys.

• 1:06:56Speaker 00

  Where I'm trying to get you is, every time I try to go back down to, "What is the core cause of the problem?", you'll jump up to a true thing, but isn't the core problem. So, people will use propaganda, bear with me. People will use propaganda to convince people that they're right. Totally agree. But propaganda's not the cause. It's the, it is a tool that people use to manipulate other people. The question becomes, since we both agree that a bad economic time makes people easier to manipulate, then it's like, "Oh, well, then this isn't about the propaganda." Because there are times where the propaganda works, and there's times where the propaganda doesn't work. So, the question becomes, "Why?

• 1:07:41Speaker 00

  What is that thing?" And what I'm driving towards is, that thing is a feeling. So now, the question becomes, "What drives that feeling?" Now, as I push down that road, my mental model of view is that you're gonna default to race, which is why I keep bringing up Ireland.

• 1:07:58Speaker 01

  I don't think that's...

• 1:07:59Speaker 00

  Perfect, so I'll let that go. You're not worried about racism at all. So, then it becomes, well, if propaganda is an echo, it's something that comes much later. It is a tool of power. If you're saying, "Look, the core of the universe is just power dynamics." I don't think that idea survives contact with Christianity, first of all. And since I know that you're a Christian, I doubt very much...

• 1:08:24Speaker 01

  I disagree. There's power dynamics in the Bible. There's power dynamics in the church.

• 1:08:27Speaker 00

  So, let me build a mental model of you. So, at the bottom of everything is power dynamics.

• 1:08:31Speaker 01

  Yes. Subservience.

• 1:08:34Speaker 00

  Meaning, in every human interaction, it is, "Will you do what I say or not?"

• 1:08:40Speaker 01

  Can I get this person to do something? Yes. It's exchange and transactional. Yes, I don't think that's how it should be.

• 1:08:46Speaker 00

  Well, hold on. Exchange and transaction is very different than power dynamics, which is ultimately about domination. So, what we see playing out in the Middle East, negotiation through warfare, that really is about imposing your will. But when a...

• 1:09:03Speaker 00

  Husband is interacting with his wife. It is, you're trying to protect the long-term stability of that relationship. Because that relationship is so advantageous to you. That like I could overpower my wife every time. I could make her do everything that I want in the short term, every time without fail. However, I would destroy the relationship and she would either break as a human and just become subservient and be like a pet, in which case I no longer get what I want out of the relationship. Um, or she's gonna leave. And so I am, even though I have a power move that I could use. I'm trying to build a relationship that is pure, that's equal.

• 1:09:44Speaker 00

  And because in that kind of dynamic, there is something far more beautiful and useful. Which is in, in the reformed version, New Testament, Christ, Christian, Christianity. Um, that's the dynamic that I see at play. You, you are a flawed person, you are fallen, and I'm gonna sacrifice myself for you. And I'm not asking for anything in return. Uh, I'm, I'm going to do it for people that died long ago, for people that are alive now, for people that will exist in the future. And given that I think that's an allegory. I think that is man trying to understand this thing called love. Now, from an evolutionary lens, I get what that is.

• 1:10:29Speaker 00

  Um, but we can-

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  You get what love is through evolutionary lens? What is love through evolutionary lens?

• 1:10:33Speaker 00

  It's cooperation. If I'm gonna sum it up in a word, it's cooperation. So it makes sure that you cooperate with your, um, partner to raise a child. It's, uh, cooperation. Nature has to make sure that you look after your child, even if it means sacrificing yourself. It's cooperation of the group, because you're far safer in a part of group than you are on your own. So I need, given that we are an emotional creature, first and foremost. I need you to feel something positive towards the group, so that you will do that. I need you to feel something positive towards your child, so that you will do that. And so, given that that's baked into humans, they're looking at a world where they will murder somebody else

• 1:11:14Speaker 00

  that threatens the group, but they will also give their own life to protect their child. And they have to explain that to themselves. They have to explain why that compulsion is so strong, why they would ever do that. And in that grasping, one of the explanations is Christianity. To be loved by the Father so much that he would give his only begotten child, which is also himself, to you so that you may be forgiven for all of your flaws. It is like the perfect way to explain to yourself why you love your child so completely. And in that moment, you realize, oh shit, I am both the parent and the child. Fuck, this is the most amazing thing ever. And it's a religion, and the reason I really believe, despite thinking it's an allegory,

• 1:11:58Speaker 00

  it is the greatest story ever told. Because it is the thing that taps into love, which is, I think ultimately, far more powerful than hate. Though I'm gonna give a speech for the advantages of hate here in a second. It, it leans in and breathes life into this thing that sits inside of people, love. That will make them do the most incredible things, fight for the person next to them, raise their child, make all these sacrifices. Okay, why is love more powerful than hate? The reason that, um, love is more powerful than hate, first you have to understand why hate is so useful. Anybody that doesn't understand the power of the dark side is, is missing a trick. When you are at your absolute lowest and you just cannot move forward another step.

• 1:12:43Speaker 00

  The thing that's going to make you rise up, I don't think is going to be love. It's going to be hatred. And in all of the times where I was just fatigued beyond all measure. I needed to fill myself with rage in order to get back up and to keep moving forward. You don't have to watch, uh, too much anime to see this play out over and over and over, where you do what's known in anime as a limit break. And so you hit this limit, you're broken, you couldn't go any further. And you could certainly say it's an act of love, because the person is fighting for somebody else. But in that moment, the thing they're doing is training their rage on somebody. And they get more angry and they light on fire and they do all that. And I think, again, it's a phenomenal allegory for what it actually feels like. And in that moment, you need to take that person out.

• 1:13:25Speaker 00

  You fill your heart with rage and you go after them and you kill and you claw and you do whatever the fuck it takes to win. Including, you know, if you're, you yourself are broken and you know you'll never be the same on the other side of this fight, you still do it. And the reason that that is extremely powerful, and people should know that they have that gear, but also recognize that it's not nearly as powerful as love, is because it is caustic. Meaning it hurts the person who wields it. And when you lean into that, it is going to take something from you. And so I always tell people, listen, understand that it's there. Make sure that you can reach for that when the moment calls for it, but also understand that it's going to hurt you also.

• 1:14:08Speaker 00

  And so getting back to the love, which is expansive, which, I mean, even if I were to break it down into biology, when you're angry and you're constricted and you're constantly in that mode, it's terrible for your blood pressure. When you do what's called loving meditation, where you imagine a bubble extending out beyond you, first to your family and then to your friends and then to the neighborhood and then to the world. It lowers your heart rate, it lowers your blood pressure, it's actually physiologically better for you. So I'm not even saying this stuff in a woo-woo sense. Anger is literally going to shorten your life, though it has its uses. Love is literally going to extend your life. And so getting people to understand that power dynamics are so real.

• 1:14:49Speaker 00

  And it's so easy for us to slip into in any exchange that this is really just about acquiring power. However, there is a thing called the infinite game, where to play it well is to get the other person to want to play. And even like puppies and rats, if you watch the strongest one fight, it will intentionally lose, uh, it's like 30% of the time or something. It will intentionally lose enough to make the other one wanna come back and play. So even at times where you could just impose your will constantly at all times, it is unwise to do so, because it makes so many enemies. And it's just such a negative caustic place.

• 1:15:29Speaker 01

  All right, we talked about this earlier, about the DSA talking about destroying America and capitalism from within. This is from a few of their members around the world, let's, around the country, let's hear it from their own mouth.

• 1:15:43Speaker 04

  And, you know, we have a unique responsibility to act from the, from the heart of empire, the belly of the beast. The, the most important thing that we can do is, is take that empire down from within.

• 1:15:52Speaker 05

  Our role ultimately is to, to facilitate our own empire's failure in ways that we can. Ultimately to overthrow our own empire. Imperialism is, US imperialism is not a thing that can be reformed away. It has to be, uh, overthrown through revolutionary struggle.

• 1:16:10Speaker 03

  And to build a mass movement that can use the leverage of workers to hit the kill switch on American imperialism here, within the American empire.

• 1:16:21Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. And there's one more.

• 1:16:24Speaker 06

  We're not here to make the Democrats a little bit better. We're not here to like get the little crumbs. We're here to actually enact socialism. And socialism is not just better capitalism, it's overthrowing an entire, the entire capitalist state. We're not here to-

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  We're here to overthrow the entire capitalist state.

• 1:16:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, if you listen to the DSA in their own words, which is great, because there's plenty of people now, um, going on these Zooms and stuff and getting these recordings. But it, it's wild. They hate America, they wanna see it torn down, and they are playing funny games again. At some point, we're gonna have to show like a still or something from that movie. But, um, they're playing funny games, using the Democratic Party as a skin suit to ape the words and to get people to think, oh, no, no, this is fine, they're just looking after the workers. There's no bigger enemy to the working class than the DSA. Uh, just, you, you want something said from full chest, there it is. Uh, the DSA is a Marxist Leninist group that wants to see the American system torn down.

• 1:17:24Speaker 00

  The, the very system that has given you, um, the greatest reduction in poverty the world has ever seen, like it's so wild. Somebody was tweeting on, um, X yesterday, and could not help myself, uh, but chime in, about communism, and they were like, basically, oh, here we go again, somebody talking positively about capitalism, but look at what China's done. That, that one is so like, tell me that you're retarded without telling me you're retarded. If you talk about China using communism to help people, you are in all capital letters retarded. Get on the short bus immediately, never get off. Because they turned literally to America and said, hey, teach us about your banking system.

• 1:18:06Speaker 00

  Teach us about your VC system, so that we can use it the same. Uh, China has more income inequality than the US. Uh, and if anybody wants to see, because I said, research it in the post, and then somebody said I did research it, and they showed me a graph that basically, uh, Xi Jinping himself, uh, made. There's plenty of people that have debunked the way they under-report everything at the high end, trying to make their numbers look better. Uh, the most respected voice in the globe of trying to figure out exactly, uh, what somebody's income inequality looks like, has said many times, you can't just take the World Bank data on this, because China under reports, and the more likely number is, I think, 45 to 47. And he's quite conservative, there are other people that push it up into low 50s. The US is 41.8.

• 1:18:50Speaker 00

  So anyway, uh, remember, even China says, we're communism with Chinese characteristics. Which means we're communism in name, but we use free markets with authoritarian rule. So, and it's like honestly, what they do with the markets, where they do like, it's all competition, using the free markets to compete, to find out who the winners are. But they'll organize capital and point it at things. And when it works, it works very well. When it breaks, then you get what we're seeing in China right now, which is they are in the process of, um, destroying 20 trillion dollars of household wealth. It's fucking insane. So, and of course, people are gonna say, well, hold on, we've gone through all of these terrible periods and our economy is broken.

• 1:19:33Speaker 00

  Yes, and it's broken because of all the contraventions of true free market capitalism. It's not broken because of capitalism. The way capitalism breaks is somebody gets so good at it, that if you don't have government to stop them from forming a monopoly, they end up monopolizing everything and then they abuse the customer. It has its pathologies. You can protect against them, but the way that you protect against that is not to go in the opposite direction and starve people to death. And I know people wanna meme it, but that's just what happens. You break the price signal, it becomes impossible to know what to make. You get a dumbass that tries to tell everybody where to put their time and energy. And you quite literally starve them to death because you can't figure out fast enough because it's not decentralized. What crops should be planted, what people want.

• 1:20:19Speaker 00

  Uh, letting people do different things in different regions, letting everybody run different experiments. Once you break that, you're in a very fragile position. So, um, yeah, I'm not saying that faux communism with Chinese characteristics doesn't have its advantages. There are times where it's going to work much better, but it creates a vulnerability that I'm saying the reason that America has thrived as long as it has, because until recently, we had managed to stay away from the worst abuses of being the, uh, reserve currency. And now what you're seeing is that abuse is coming home to roost. But that is breaking the free markets, not leveraging the free markets.

• 1:20:59Speaker 01

  The one thing that the DSA has to actually like come to Jesus with about is we need to talk about their foreign investment. I have a friend who's in a socialist, uh, collective, I don't know what they're called. I don't wanna, I don't wanna out her.

• 1:21:12Speaker 00

  Coven.

• 1:21:15Speaker 01

  The, they had like a national meeting and there was an internal conflict because one side wants to call China a certain style of communism and call out their like racial injustices and stuff like that. Cause you know, there's the concentration camps and other stuff we don't talk about that China does. And then on the other side, like the main, uh, leadership was like, no, China's capitalism or communism, they're allied. We can't like criticize China. So it's kind of like a, a gag policy to.

• 1:21:43Speaker 00

  We're on a team.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  Exactly. And I was just like, how do y'all get funded? And she's like, oh, well, I think there's some, and then like, that's when the, and I was like, oh, okay. So there are like, we have to be very honest about this. Um, while I love capitalism with a little bit of socialism sprinkled on top. The DSA is being foreign backed and we have to be honest about that.

• 1:22:01Speaker 00

  Also, their policies are guaranteed to destroy America, guaranteed. It's not a maybe, we've run this like a thousand times. I do not understand, people think that somehow the past is not predictive. You run an experiment for a reason, failure is perfectly fine. Hey, I get it. It sounded like a great idea, so we ran the experiment, not once, not twice, not three times, four times, five. God knows how many times we have run this experiment. It doesn't work ever at any time. So that's where I'm just like, Jesus Christ, remember, when did China turn to free markets? After starving 45 million people to death. Okay, that's a pretty big wake up call. Now you might keep the name communism, but about the time you've starved 45 million people to death,

• 1:22:44Speaker 00

  I think we can officially say, we're going to have to do something different. And who did they turn to? America, free markets, ah, it is maddening. Now, this is one of those things, this is why I beat to death that it matters that you identify the actual cause of the problem. It is not enough to have something that feels like it's the cause of the problem, but really isn't. And with that, I want you to queue up Gary's economics. So, uh, I'm building a Mount Rushmore of my economic villains. Gary's economics is definitely on the Mount Rushmore of my, uh, my economic villains. Mumdani is on that, uh, the DSA in general just gets their own thing. But, um,

• 1:23:25Speaker 00

  I want to honor Gary first because I am so aware of schadenfreude where people like seeing bad things happen to, um, their rivals. And I much prefer to think of Gary as a worthy rival because he's very good at capturing the spirit of what people feel. And I'm willing to extend to Gary that he is, even though he is an economic villain, truly, um, he's unintentionally an economic villain. I don't think he has anything but good intentions. I think Gary actually wants to help people. I just think that Gary processes the world emotionally and that's created a problem. But to give you the context, Gary's economics dropped a new documentary.

• 1:24:10Speaker 00

  It's obviously on wealth tax, that's like his signature policy. But even the left-leaning Guardian called it an embarrassment. And I, while I am glad that the documentary has, um, been panned even by the left, I really, um, I don't take joy in Gary going through something difficult. I'm sure this will be very stressful for him. He's trying to do, from his position, I bet he's trying to do something beautiful. Um, so, uh, I get it, that's never fun to go through. However, for the health of the world, people have to understand why his ideas are absolutely terrible. All right, Gary Stevenson is his real name, if you guys don't know him. Uh, he's a YouTuber, he's a former Citibank trader.

• 1:24:53Speaker 00

  And as I was saying before, he's on my Mount Rushmore of unintentional economic supervillains. Um, for his unwitting crimes against the working class, who are the very people he's trying to help. And they are the people that will be hurt by his policies. Now, he's considered by many to be the UK left's favorite economist. He's actually advising the government, which is terrifying to me. And he just launched his 90-minute, uh, Channel 4 primetime documentary to make the case for his signature policy, which is a 2% annual tax on wealth above $10 million. The reviews are gnarly. Now, uh, to be honest, I'm surprised by that because he's been saying this stuff for years.

• 1:25:34Speaker 00

  Um, if you guys didn't see the debate on DOAC between him and, uh, Daniel Priestley, it is awesome. And Daniel Priestley made all the arguments that you hear in the documentary. But nonetheless, Gary did not update his mental model because he really feels something. And whatever he's going to say, it has to match the feeling, which is an absolutely abysmal way to go through life. Avoid it at all costs. Now, the doc somehow appears to have woken up even the people that were on his own side. The Guardian said, this is a quote, uh, it's quote, "A faintly embarrassing waste of time." The Telegraph said he looked, quote, "embarrassingly out of his depth."

• 1:26:19Speaker 00

  Richard Murphy, who's a left-wing tax campaigner, who has spent years arguing wealth should be taxed more, called the film deeply embarrassing, again, that's a quote, and warned it may have set back the very cause it was made to advance. Uh, the centerpiece everybody's looking at is Stevenson's exchange with a guy named Dan Needle. I believe that's how it's pronounced. Um, he's a labor, again, this is left-wing, he's a labor-affiliated tax lawyer, so he's not a friend to conservatives. And Needle himself, in the documentary, right to Stevenson's face, calls the wealth trap, uh, sorry, the wealth tax populist claptrap, and that it would drive out the very foreign investment that Britain desperately needs. Let's play that clip.

• 1:27:01Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, oh, I'm just kidding, I had it completely queued up.

• 1:27:04Speaker 00

  My man.

• 1:27:06Speaker 07

  2% tax on wealth.

• 1:27:07Speaker 00

  Eric, we have the AC gun, please.

• 1:27:08Speaker 08

  Absolute populist claptrap, and the people pushing this should be ashamed of themselves. If the Chancellor stood up and said, we're going to have a wealth tax, we're going to have 2% on all wealth over 10, over 10 million. It would require, let's be generous, like a year of planning at least. You then need to build the systems, you need to tax 20,000 people. You're not going to raise any revenue from a wealth tax before 2029. You could be in favor of wealth tax, but anyone claiming that it's an answer is deluded. Well, the wealth tax commission did a huge amount of work on the wealth tax, more than anyone else in the world, maybe more than everyone else put together. Uh, they concluded an annual wealth tax is a non-starter. And that was as a result of the work that they did.

• 1:27:45Speaker 07

  What they concluded?

• 1:27:46Speaker 08

  That's what the report says.

• 1:27:48Speaker 07

  What I saw was that they, they proposed that for revenue raising, a one-off wealth tax they preferred. But they said explicitly in the paper, if you are worried about inequality, that will not be enough. And if you're worried about inequality, you probably won't look at annual wealth tax. That's what was in the report.

• 1:28:06Speaker 08

  Well, it wasn't that strong, and the foreword said, and I quote exactly, you can get, but the foreword said exactly that it's a non-starter for the UK.

• 1:28:14Speaker 07

  There are limits to the extent of redistribution that can be achieved using existing tax on wealth, even after effective reforms. An annual wealth tax could be justified on this conditional basis.

• 1:28:26Speaker 08

  That's pretty weak.

• 1:28:28Speaker 07

  Is that, is that, is that saying it's a non-starter?

• 1:28:31Speaker 08

  The foreword says an annual wealth tax is a non-starter. Let me ask you a question, someone invests in the UK, a foreigner invests in the UK, do you charge wealth tax on their, their UK investments?

• 1:28:41Speaker 07

  If they're incredibly wealthy, I say yes.

• 1:28:43Speaker 08

  Okay, but then why is someone very wealthy going to make an investment in the UK rather than say France, if they're going to have a 2% hit on their investment every year? Why would they do that?

• 1:28:54Speaker 07

  I think that's a very good point, and I think it's very possible that if you have a wealth tax, it will make it less attractive for foreign investors. But I think that what we can do is improve the wealth ownership of the general public. And we can make a wealthy general public, and it will be profitable to invest here and.

• 1:29:09Speaker 00

  That means.

• 1:29:09Speaker 07

  We can have investments in by three people then.

• 1:29:11Speaker 08

  But so this is really serious, so suddenly you're creating a massive incentive for foreign private companies and foreign wealthy people to pull their capital out of the UK. These are, these are big effects. In fact, the effect of a wealth tax has been modeled.

• 1:29:25Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 1:29:25Speaker 08

  It's been modeling in Germany and in the US. Wealth tax is less significant, the wealth tax you're proposing. And they estimated a hit to long-run GDP of between 2 and 5%.

• 1:29:35Speaker 00

  That is so massive.

• 1:29:37Speaker 08

  Completely blithely dismissing the idea that foreign investment is important.

• 1:29:40Speaker 07

  No, of course I'm not dismissing that, I'm not dismissing that, I'm an economist, all right? I know what's gonna happen and I'll tell you right now what's gonna happen. This is my job.

• 1:29:48Speaker 08

  No, no, no. If you were a proper economist, you would have thought about foreign investment.

• 1:29:52Speaker 07

  You think I'm not a proper economist?

• 1:29:53Speaker 08

  Why haven't you, why haven't you thought about?

• 1:29:54Speaker 07

  Of course I've thought, of course I've thought about it.

• 1:29:56Speaker 08

  No, you haven't. I've, I've read.

• 1:29:58Speaker 07

  Why do you think I haven't thought about it, Dan?

• 1:30:00Speaker 08

  Because there's no evidence you ever self-thought about it. When I asked you that question, you were thinking about it for the first time.

• 1:30:04Speaker 00

  So, again, if you map Gary as somebody who's processing the world emotionally, but this feels so right, it feels like a thing that's going to help people. Instead of trying to go, oh, this is a guy that's interfacing with cause and effect. It's just mapping him based on emotion, he'll always make sense. Mapping him based on somebody who really sees the truth of how this is always going, how it's actually going to play out. And then you start doing the research for yourself and you're like, hold on, even the people closest to this problem are saying this isn't going to work. Even the people that are incentivized to get this done are like, yeah, just like a straight wealth tax, isn't going to work. And there are more interviews in the documentary of people pushing back and saying, look, this isn't gonna work for this reason, that reason, whatever. It just, this is the one that really caught people's attention.

• 1:30:48Speaker 00

  But again, leaning into the schadenfreude of it, if you are like me and don't like Gary's message at all, is a mistake. But really trying to get people to understand why, I get why this feels good. I get why people are worried about the inequality. But by the way, to be honest, in the UK, inequality isn't increasing. It's been static for, I think, more than a decade. So, the UK has a slightly different problem than the US. I've talked endlessly about what has happened to inequality in the US and exactly what you need to do to fix it. None of which is a wealth tax. Wealth tax is how you break the engine of prosperity. So, if you have a car and the car is running fantastically

• 1:31:31Speaker 00

  and your idea of how to fix the car is to shoot the driver, that doesn't make any sense. If your idea of how to fix the car is to blow a hole in the carburetor, that doesn't make any sense. It's like, you, you've gotta say, okay, the car and the driver are exactly how we get to where we wanna be. And so, what is it that we do to make this a smoother ride or whatever? Not to torture the analogy, but you really have to look at, we've got this thing that creates prosperity. Something is going wrong, but is the thing that's going wrong the actual engine of prosperity? Or is it things that we're doing to the engine of prosperity that create the problem? And, and even though I've said this a million times, just to not let this be in the abstract, the problem is that we do not balance our budget.

• 1:32:15Speaker 00

  We have deficits. Those deficits must be paid for. The way that they are paid for is via money printing. That is what breaks the engine of prosperity because it means you can't save your money. It means you must buy assets, which the vast majority of people do not understand well enough, to either do well or do in any significant quantity. So, right now, 10% of people, 93% of the assets. So, it's like, you have to get to the underlying cause, which is the inflation due to money printing. It is debts and deficits that get out of control. And by the way, that flywheel goes so hard, you get to the point where as a government, you are spending so much money on the interest on that debt, that all the very things that you wanna do to help people, you can't do.

• 1:32:58Speaker 00

  And by the way, 47% of the US federal budget goes to social programs already right now, today. What number are we trying to get to? That is fucking crazy. We, people do not have a realistic view. We think we're some insane capitalist society that does not take care of its own people. We have doubled the budget in the last 10 years, almost. We have 47% of our budget goes to social programs. This shit is wild. We, if we actually want to help the working class, we've got to deal with disempowered workers, globalism, inflation. If you do that, the 85% of your problems are solved.

• 1:33:41Speaker 01

  A lot of people in chat. This is not me. This is a lot of people.

• 1:33:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  Cause I'm next to you. I heard this conversation from a thousand different directions. But a lot of people are like, of course Tom's gonna be against it. It's gonna directly impact him. They're seeing, rich guy says no more taxes are bad. So, they, they, they say, as soon as you open your mouth, they're like, of course Tom doesn't like it. It's gonna affect him. So, all the things that you just said that were valid points, they completely wiped those all away. So, like, for the record, you're not against taxing, you're not against, like, I wanna make sure you set those base assumptions down, so that people can maybe.

• 1:34:15Speaker 00

  They're still not gonna believe me. I'm happy to, to run through the exercise. They won't believe me because the wealth tax would affect me. But I will say this, you don't have to believe me, just follow the chain of logic. And so, I welcome criticisms of my thinking because it gives me something to go explore and find out, okay, am I wrong about this thing? Let me adjust my thinking. If you need to, so, that, that would be the way to go through this. Forget that I'm the one saying it. Just follow the, the logic chain, right? Of why that would break the engine of prosperity. And if there's any part in my chain of logic that feels unclear or I'm making an unfair jump, let me know. I'll happily go through and further explain that area.

• 1:35:00Speaker 00

  The real goal, like, even if you just need to believe, the only thing that you can believe coming out of my mouth is something that's selfish, then let me say it from a selfish perspective. I sell to the middle class. So, I don't get anywhere if the middle class isn't thriving. So, I get way richer in an economy where the middle class is thriving and I get put into a really dicey situation when the middle class is hollowed out and people show up with pitchforks. So, even if you just wanna, like, you, you wanna go to, well, what's his emotion? So I know whether I can trust him. Cause I've given you my chain of logic, why it's bad for the working class. But now, just to the emotional part, I wanna live my entire life in America.

• 1:35:43Speaker 00

  I want to make video games and comic books and tell stories and that's never gonna work if there isn't the thriving middle class. And so, I, even though the vast majority of the time, I'm not thinking about it from my perspective. I really, to earn my own respect, I need to do something positive for the group. I have not had kids, so I didn't make that contribution. So, I actually do feel a sense of moral obligation to do something that is advantageous for the group, whether it's good for me or not. Now, it also happens to be good for me if I can get the worker re-empowered, if I can get the middle class actually making money, real money, real improvements in wealth. Because I look back at the 50s and 60s and go, ah, that's an example of how you get out from under the debt.

• 1:36:28Speaker 00

  Everybody feels awesome. The world feels fantastic because people are getting richer day after day. So, anyway, those are the two ways. You can follow my chain of logic or you can understand why it's actually better for me if the middle class is thriving.

• 1:36:44Speaker 01

  Hope they get some.

• 1:36:46Speaker 00

  It won't, but there it is. They have it.

• 1:36:50Speaker 01

  Okay, there was something else that I wanted to get, yes.

• 1:36:53Speaker 00

  By the way, really fast, if I sold yachts, I would understand why you guys were bitter. I sell a video game that will probably be $14.95, okay? I sell a course to entrepreneurs that wanna start a business that is fucking dirt cheap. So, I, it's not like I haven't heard the arguments, if you wanna make money, sell to wealthy people. I get it. I, especially now, that is a winning strategy that a lot of people have deployed and I don't do it for a reason, the reason that I walked you through.

• 1:37:25Speaker 01

  All right, we got the Spencer Pratt video queued up. I know this one's a bit longer though, so I didn't know if there was a specific section or you wanna kinda stop-start it and just kinda get it jumped off.

• 1:37:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, we probably just won't go through the whole thing, but here, let me set it up really fast. Okay, so, what you're gonna hear is Spencer Pratt is admitting that he's giving up on his campaign, that people don't want him to, but he's like, look, there's a smart way to do this in a dumb way. And he's trying to reorient people to that maybe this isn't, that they're doing anything illegal. Maybe what this really is, is that they've created a legal system that allows them to basically control the outcome of the election. So, whether it's illegal or not, it should be because ultimately, the choice of who we elect has been taken away from us. All right, with that.

• 1:38:11Speaker 09

  In judicial ethics, the mere appearance of potential fraud is disqualifying. Same goes here. Whether or not there is widespread fraud occurring, there certainly could be. And it doesn't matter how many times you scream, there's no widespread fraud. A lot of people believe there is and there's no way to actually validate it. This isn't just about whether or not fraud is swinging the election. The appearance of fraud already is swinging the election. People rightly have zero faith in this janky, inefficient system. They feel like their vote isn't being counted. They feel like illegal ballots are being cast and they're not wrong to worry about it. There's literally no safeguards in place to prevent that from happening and way too many openings for it to occur on a massive scale.

• 1:38:53Speaker 09

  You all saw how I was neck and neck with Karen Basu on election night, nearly double digits ahead of Nithya, just as the polling predicted.

• 1:39:00Speaker 10

  Roman fighting tears on election night, trailing Spencer Pratt by roughly 40,000 votes and about 10 percentage points.

• 1:39:06Speaker 09

  I dominated the in-person vote. I smashed Nithya on the mail-in ballots too. She was crying on election night. It was over. Then a few days later, suddenly, Nithya started overperforming as they continued to accept ballots seven days after the election.

• 1:39:24Speaker 10

  But days of county mail-in ballots have changed the map.

• 1:39:26Speaker 05

  I am so grateful.

• 1:39:27Speaker 10

  Rahmman has now erased a 40,000 vote deficit and moved ahead of Pratt by roughly 3,000 votes, a net swing of more than 43,000 votes.

• 1:39:36Speaker 09

  Forty-three thousand votes, which just happens to be the exact number of homeless people on the streets in LA.

• 1:39:41Speaker 00

  Pause for a second. So, that one, that's probably not a direct link, maybe, but that one feels like a bit of a stretch to me. But what is interesting is the fact that, for a long time, people have said, listen, there's what's known as a red mirage. So, Republicans, for whatever reason, vote the day of, or ahead of time, and then what you get are all of these, sorry, Republicans vote the day of, Democrats vote ahead of time via mail-in ballots, and they take a long time for those to be counted. And so, you can think that the Republicans are actually off to a lead, but they're not. This is just the way that the Democratic voters vote. And I always thought, why would that be true? That seems very strange. So, first of all, I'll call bullshit on that. I don't think that's actually accurate.

• 1:40:26Speaker 00

  I have a feeling that it should advance both parties and exactly advantage both parties exactly the same. There's no, like, fundamental difference in personality between the Democrats and Republicans that would make them do that. But anyway, it becomes basically impossible to explain when, oh, it isn't just that Democratic voters vote more ahead of time by mail-in ballot, it's that only Nithya Rahmman's, or the third-place candidate, when they need to bump somebody else out. That's where this starts to get, like, very questionable. All right, let him continue. Right, has some...

• 1:41:01Speaker 03

  I just wanted to put this on the table for the context of the video, for chat specifically. Pratt finished the LA race with 25.5% of the citywide vote. Trump got 26.5 in the 2024 election. I just think that's an important stat to lay out there, because I feel like it disproves any form of fraud on this, but, anyway.

• 1:41:21Speaker 00

  Sorry, I don't understand that. How does it disprove fraud?

• 1:41:24Speaker 03

  Well, so, a lot of what the news stories with this is, well, Pratt didn't get certain votes counted, he didn't, he's like, all these different things, like Rahmman cheated and all this stuff. And it's like, I understand wanting to be wary of voter fraud, but he was basically one-to-one with Trump's votes, right?

• 1:41:41Speaker 00

  Well, so...

• 1:41:42Speaker 03

  I just think it's important.

• 1:41:44Speaker 00

  Pratt'll make the argument himself, but I'll tease a little bit. He's saying, if you recount all the votes, what you're gonna find is that they've all been counted correctly. And so, that isn't the problem. The problem is that you're creating all of these possible moments for ballots to be harvested, for people to go to, like the homeless, and say, hey, I'll pay you $2, which they've been seen on camera doing. They've had people admit that this was done, that they offer them a couple bucks to fill it out, and then they tell them what candidate to put.

• 1:42:14Speaker 03

  Well, those were for ballot measures, the things you're talking about.

• 1:42:16Speaker 00

  No, no, he's talking specifically about Nithya Rahmman. Anyway, we'll let him say it, but, and I've seen the footage myself, of people saying specifically, they told me to vote for XYZ person.

• 1:42:25Speaker 09

  Normal, because for some reason that they can't explain, Democrats overwhelmingly vote by mail.

• 1:42:31Speaker 10

  There's a historical phenomenon in national voting called the red mirage.

• 1:42:34Speaker 09

  The red mirage.

• 1:42:35Speaker 11

  What we were calling a red mirage. The red mirage. Red mirage. This term was coined, because as some swing states count votes, usually favoring Republicans early, then it becomes an advantage for Democrats later in the evening, and then into the next morning. You expect to see the Republican with a lead, but it's not really a lead. Democrats vote in higher numbers by a mail-in ballot. Historically, Democrats vote in higher numbers by mail-in ballots.

• 1:42:58Speaker 09

  But not all Democrats, just the ones who are voting for the third-place candidate, the one candidate who really needed the votes. Don't forget, there were two Democrats in the race, but for some reason, only the third-place Democrat who needed the votes saw a disproportionate spike in votes several days after the election. Plus, multiple studies have shown that mail-voting doesn't provide an advantage to either party. It's a myth. The media will say that claims of fraud here are without evidence. Keep in mind, an anomalous statistical spike like this is evidence of fraud. As any forensic accountant, it may not be necessarily proof of fraud, but it is certainly evidence of fraud. But forget the late ballots.

• 1:43:40Speaker 09

  Just because the vote swing coincidentally matched the specific LSA count of homeless people on the streets, just because NGOs that Nithya cuts checks to were hoarding ballots, just because hundreds of thousands of dead people and ex-residents who've left California were still on the voter rolls, doesn't mean anyone is taking those loose ballots and filling them out. First off, it's against the law, and we all know, if it's against the law, it doesn't happen. Secondly, we have signature verification. Everyone has to sign their ballot, and a computer checks your signature. Well, except, some voters can't sign, so they carved out a rule where you can just make a mark on the ballot. And a witness can sign on your behalf. It can be an X, or a scribble, or even a happy face, as long as a witness signs off

• 1:44:25Speaker 09

  on it.

• 1:44:26Speaker 00

  And a witness can sign an unlimited number of ballots.

• 1:44:28Speaker 09

  There's zero way to trace it back to the ballot, to check if a sudden tranche of votes that swung predominantly to one candidate had come from a bunch of ballots with the happy faces in the signature box. The DSA instructs their ballot harvesters to go door-to-door and tell them to vote for Nithya Rahmman, and even help them fill in the bubble for their preferred socialist candidates. This is explicitly illegal. A ballot harvester can't tell you how to vote, and they certainly can't help you fill out the ballot. But laws don't matter if you have no mechanism in place to prevent the crime from occurring in the first place. There is this misnomer being parroted, even by staunch critics of California's rigged voting system, saying there's nothing you can do, because this is all legal in California. It's not legal. Even by California's own ridiculous laws, all this stuff is still illegal.

• 1:45:11Speaker 09

  They've simply removed all the mechanisms to catch the fraud and prevent it from happening. It's like a bank heist, but California has made a law that you can't lock the bank vault. You're not allowed to have security cameras, and you can't count the money inside the vault. Robbing the bank is still 100% illegal, but there's no way to stop it from happening. Now, here's the smoky backroom dealing. Five days before my election, Gavin Newsom signed a ridiculous law that literally banned federal and independent authorities from investigating vote fraud or overseeing elections to monitor for fraud during the counting process.

• 1:45:41Speaker 12

  That's why I'm moving forward with new legislation that would make it a felony to seize ballots before the vote, has been certified by state and county officials. We will be the wall he cannot get past.

• 1:45:53Speaker 09

  That's like banning the bank from having security cameras. Now, the timing of this was deliberate. He knows this won't hold up in court, but he did it so close to the election day, he knew the courts wouldn't be able to overturn it in time for the election. It's truly like going up against the casino. The deck is so stacked against you, you never really stand a chance. You can play if you choose, but the house will never lose. So now, in California, you can loot $950 of merchandise, you can knowingly infect someone with HIV, but if you try to prevent vote fraud...

• 1:46:23Speaker 12

  You will be prosecuted.

• 1:46:25Speaker 09

  How can you secure the money if you can't lock the vault? How can you catch the robbers if you're not allowed to monitor the vault? And how can you even identify if the vault were even robbed in the first place if you can't even count the money? This is what California has done with the elections. Unsolicited ballots going into open mailboxes and NGOs and parking lots. Bank vault is wide open. No signature required, no ID required, no way to ID the robbers. And the beauty of their rigged system is they can have all the pageantry of this public ballot counting center. Hey, come on down, it's open to the public, anyone can come watch and can see just how kosher our system is.

• 1:47:02Speaker 10

  We are inside LA County's massive ballot processing center. An assistant United States attorney arrived on scene to observe the process and ask questions.

• 1:47:11Speaker 09

  All the fraud that does occur happens long before the ballots even hit this building. People have been pushing me to demand a recount. Why? You could recount these anonymous ballots 100 times, you'll get the same exact result. I have no doubt that they are doing a flawless job of accurately counting every single ballot in here with robotic precision. The fraud isn't here, it's here on Skid Row, where homeless people are paid a couple bucks for their ballots.

• 1:47:34Speaker 13

  They give you $2 to vote? Yeah, we can just shoot something. Will they come down here and try and pay you to vote? Yes. Tell you who to vote for? Yes. Since I'm voting your way, can I get a plate? You know what I mean?

• 1:47:44Speaker 09

  It's here, where socialist street animals go door-to-door and violate the ballot harvesting laws. People bring up the old communist adage often attributed to Stalin, saying, it's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes. No, this is the modern era of fraud. They've gotten wise. The modern communist agrees with the old communist, but just the first part. It doesn't matter who votes. It doesn't matter if it's a drug zombie being paid for their ballot. It doesn't matter if it's a DSA socialist street animal filling out your ballot. It doesn't matter if it's a blue-haired intern at a Nithya Rahmman-funded NGO filling out the ballots. The bank vault is wide open. The cameras have been removed, and there's no way to count the money. Now, for those of you who wanted me to fight the election, for those of you who thought

• 1:48:25Speaker 09

  I was quitting, or I was bought off to step aside and quietly disappear, I'll remind you, there's a smart way to handle these things and a dumb way. Evidence is not proof. I don't say things without proof. Now, anyone saying that there's no evidence of fraud is lying. There's tons of evidence, and I was the one who got it. All those videos that you saw of homeless people admitting that they were paid for their vote, where do you think they came from? Immediately after the big spike of votes came in.

• 1:48:49Speaker 00

  All right, you can stop it. So, he talks about how he got the information. All right, we're gonna see how all of this plays out. I'll be interested to see if he continues to be part of the political scene or not, but it is, to me, the fact that we don't do things to secure the election, that we don't make sure that people are signing their ballots, that we're not able to count them on time, that there, the voter rolls are not combed through and made sure that everybody, I want to see everybody prove that they're a citizen. So, that's where it's like, to his point, you've got to find a way to close all of these open doors where fraud could take place.

• 1:49:29Speaker 00

  Not that they've actually made fraud legal, but that they leave the door open for things like one person signing off on hundreds of ballots, because the person that they're getting it from, they don't want to have to prove who they are, so they just have them sign whatever, or fill it out, and then they will sign on their behalf, or to get somebody like a homeless person go in and sign the ballot, but fill it out according to the way that they want it filled out, and then ship it off. It is one of those things where, let's assume for a second that they're actually not doing anything... Untoward, that this is all a big misunderstanding. There's still no reason to make it illegal to check ID. That kind of stuff is absolutely crazy.

• 1:50:12Speaker 00

  There are things that California can and should do to make sure that people feel confident that their vote is actually being counted in the right way. And they're doing none of it. In fact, they're going in the exact opposite direction. It is, nobody should want a one-party state, nobody. I don't want it to be my party. I don't want it to be the other party. I want it to be an actual back and forth battle based on what people actually want, based on the results that they're getting. But it's not where we're at right now.

• 1:50:39Speaker 01

  Do you remember the 2000 US presidential election controversy with Bush and Gore?

• 1:50:43Speaker 00

  Vaguely, I didn't pay attention to politics back then at all, but the hanging Chad thing.

• 1:50:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, people were upset that Bush might have cheated on the election, yada, yada, yada. So then Bush authored the Help America Vote Act, which is supposed to be a bipartisan conglomerate that was supposed to monitor the voting systems, make sure that there's a commission to help federal elections, minimize election administration standards to kind of streamline it so that there's not all these potentials for fraud and things like that back then. Recently, Trump just dismissed the last three members that of the Election Assistance Commission, which was a direct result from that act. So now there is no federal commission body that is overseeing federal elections. So I think this is the opposite move. If there's somebody that's trying to fight voter fraud, I don't think there's a replacement that has been put out there yet.

• 1:51:31Speaker 01

  The SAVE Act is now still in limbo with Mitch McConnell still having a weekend at Bernie's moment. So we're already losing votes in the like wrong direction.

• 1:51:41Speaker 01

  What do you think is going to happen in the future of our elections when Spencer Pratt has claims like this, when California is saying everything is fine, and the overall fabric of our trust in the system is starting to deteriorate?

• 1:51:51Speaker 00

  We, we're going to have to do something, I think, at the federal level to tighten up what can be done in terms of who can vote, how votes can be put in, processed, all of that needs to be a system where all holes are filled. Now, states can do things differently within a banded constraint, but right now, like some of the stuff that California is doing is insane. I want to see all the way to the voter rolls have to be, you have to show proof of citizenship.

• 1:52:20Speaker 00

  Obviously, that hasn't passed, so we'll see what ends up coming of that. But if you really want to protect your elections and make sure that when you lose, you know, cool, my, the guy that I voted for lost fair and square, you've got to do things to shore this up so that there just aren't the opportunities to do this stuff. Like, I remember when the media was freaking out because, I can't remember if it was Tulsi Gabbard, but somebody was alone in a van with some of the records from the Georgia election, I believe. And people were like, oh, my God, like, imagine what could happen in that moment. It's like, are you joking? Like, the amount of places that false ballots could be put into the system in California is insane. So if we're worried about that one person sitting in the back of a van for 10 minutes with something, we should be very worried about the rest.

• 1:53:05Speaker 00

  Get people to vote in person. I love your idea. Make it a national holiday. Everybody gets a day off. Go vote. One place, one time, that's it. Show your ID, game over. But yeah, we're, we're a long way.

• 1:53:17Speaker 01

  If they did that, more people would vote, Tom. We don't want more people to vote.

• 1:53:20Speaker 00

  Let's go. Hey, I'm here for it.

• 1:53:22Speaker 01

  Make them dumb, make them brave.

• 1:53:23Speaker 00

  I'm here for it.

• 1:53:24Speaker 01

  And you can be in power forever.

• 1:53:25Speaker 00

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• 1:54:25Speaker 03

  Did you mean August for the AI class?

• 1:54:27Speaker 14

  No, September.

• 1:54:28Speaker 03

  Okay, because the website said August, that's why I was curious.

• 1:54:31Speaker 00

  Interesting.

• 1:54:32Speaker 14

  On the calendar.

• 1:54:35Speaker 01

  There's one in August.

• 1:54:37Speaker 14

  The calendar.

• 1:54:39Speaker 14

  It's okay.

• 1:54:41Speaker 14

  Yeah, I was looking through the calendar. The next one was September 10th. So I will. It's on a Wednesday.

• 1:54:46Speaker 00

  I felt like we had it is why I didn't go to the second.

• 1:54:49Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no, yeah, I'm good with that.

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  Yeah, yeah, website's all good. I sent the link and stuff.

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