Ashe

Ashe (The Girl of Your Dreams, Moral of the Story, The Dream) is a singer and songwriter. Ashe joins the Armchair Expert to discuss growing up with a bipolar father, becoming the responsible younger sibling, and finding refuge in songwriting. Ashe and Dax talk about her breakout hit coinciding with devastating loss, the panic attacks that nearly made her quit music, and the adrenaline crash after a show. Ashe explains why success can feel like a warning, how childhood fears follow us into adulthood, and learning to feel safe in the life she’s built. Start your 2 month free trial today: https://youtube.com/premium . Terms Apply. Cancel Anytime. Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://www.allstate.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Dax Shepard?

  Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, Experts on Expert. I'm Dan Shepard. I'm joined by Lily Padman.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Hi.

• 0:05Dax Shepard?

  Today, we have Ash, a singer-songwriter and a great guest at a wedding. I don't think she leads with that, but as someone who attended a wedding with her, I gotta tell, I gotta tell everyone that she is a party to have at your wedding.

• 0:17Speaker 01

  Great.

• 0:18Dax Shepard?

  If you're looking to fill some seats and she has availability, I would reach out. Her albums are Wilson, Ray, Ashlyn, and The Dream, which is with Phineas, their band, The Favors. And she has a new album out on the 16th of October called The Girl of Your Dreams, which contains the incredible song Stop the Wedding, which we are going to be lucky enough to hear.

• 0:43Speaker 01

  She sings for us, guys.

• 0:45Dax Shepard?

  She blows us right out of our chairs. It was such a treat. Please enjoy, Ash. We get support from Quince.

• 0:52Speaker 01

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• 1:01Dax Shepard?

  I'm fully there. The second it dips below 70, I'm like, this is my season. Give me the layers, give me the boots, give me a reason to wear something other than a T-shirt. And honestly, that's why I love Quince, because fall is when your wardrobe actually has to show up. And everything at Quince is 50 to 80% less than similar brands. We're talking 100% Mongolian cashmere sweaters, starting at $60.

• 1:24Speaker 01

  $60. $60 for cashmere that you'd expect from a luxury brand without the luxury price tag. It's amazing. Gets me every time. It really shouldn't be real, but it is because they go straight to the factories. They skip the middlemen and they just hand you the savings. The stuff isn't trendy. It's the kind of pieces you grab over and over because they work every time.

• 1:41Dax Shepard?

  The 100% Mongolian cashmere sweaters for me are it. When I look at Steve McQueen, this man owned a couple of sweaters he wore all the time and he looks iconic.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  It's a uniform.

• 1:52Dax Shepard?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:52Speaker 01

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• 2:10Dax Shepard?

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• 3:07Speaker 01

  That one over here?

• 3:11Speaker 01

  Is this one good? Fine?

• 3:12Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  Okay, great.

• 3:13Dax Shepard?

  It's not gonna bite Monica.

• 3:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, snakes. Up her butt.

• 3:18Dax Shepard?

  That's her ultimate fear.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  When they're in the toilet, those snakes, and they come right up your butt.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  Whoa, what?

• 3:25Dax Shepard?

  They're known to...

• 3:26Speaker 02

  How often are y'all hanging out outside of this?

• 3:29Speaker 01

  You...

• 3:29Dax Shepard?

  Well, we're together five days a week. And then she's generally around before and after a bit.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, we do some hangs before and after.

• 3:37Dax Shepard?

  Her best friend is on the porch at all times, Anna.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  That's right. She works for Kristen, so you know, there's a lot of hanging.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  It's very incestuous.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  It is. I love that. I used to basically spend the night every night.

• 3:49Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, during COVID, she lived with us for quite a period, just immediately post-seizures.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I had a seizure.

• 3:56Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  Yes, and so my mother, Kristen, felt like she needed to keep her eye on me.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  She did, and it was very sweet.

• 4:05Speaker 02

  If I could have her as my mother checking on me, I would be down.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  I recommend her as one.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  Knitting me.

• 4:11Dax Shepard?

  I think she's taking new patients, actually.

• 4:13Speaker 01

  She is.

• 4:14Dax Shepard?

  You might be able to slide in there.

• 4:17Speaker 02

  Okay, will do.

• 4:19Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so now the wedding. We met at a wedding, and I just wanna tell you.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  We met at a wedding.

• 4:24Dax Shepard?

  We met at a wedding. I wanna say from my perspective what happened, which was there was a rehearsal dinner, or what is conventionally the rehearsal dinner, the night before, right?

• 4:33Speaker 01

  I know what you're gonna say.

• 4:34Dax Shepard?

  Okay, and I'm at a table, and I even shared about it on here that I was positioned between polar opposites of a spectrum, like someone who grew up in communist Poland, and then a music manager who's been doing it for 30 years and has seen every level of depravity, right? So...

• 4:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, they put you in a fun spot.

• 4:51Dax Shepard?

  So I was bouncing back and forth between these conversations. And then I was randomly also glancing, because I was the oldest person there. I'm like, well, non-family member, I'm surveying who's at the other table, right? And I'm just kinda like going down, like, you don't know that, that person looks like they're on TV. That person looks like an influencer. And then all of a sudden, I see your little face and you're staring directly at me. You mouth, as I recall, "I wanna meet you," or something like that, right?

• 5:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:20Dax Shepard?

  And I was like, oh, how comforting. There's all these young people and I feel very old, and then I got to meet you, and it was a delight on my end.

• 5:27Speaker 02

  That's nice. It was a delight to get to meet you. I don't know what got into me at that wedding. I was so social.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  How fun.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  In a way that I'm fairly introverted. I present bubbly. I present extroverted.

• 5:42Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 5:43Speaker 02

  But I very much am not.

• 5:46Dax Shepard?

  False advertising. Kristen's similar.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  Fake.

• 5:49Dax Shepard?

  Right?

• 5:49Speaker 01

  She is similar, yeah.

• 5:50Speaker 02

  I saw her at breakfast knitting.

• 5:53Dax Shepard?

  There you go.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Oh, very on-brand.

• 5:57Speaker 02

  What you doing over there, Kristen?

• 6:00Speaker 01

  She really likes to recharge by herself. I would say not even recharge, just be. She likes solo time.

• 6:08Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's something special to that.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  I, once in a while, and I think Phineas's wedding was such a good place to do that, where I'm like, I'm here by myself. My husband was at a wedding, his best friend's wedding.

• 6:21Dax Shepard?

  Mr. Canada.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  John Canada.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  It was a house divided?

• 6:24Speaker 02

  So we had two weddings this year, and they were on the same day.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 6:29Speaker 02

  The wedding he went to was like a 30-person, tiny, private...

• 6:33Dax Shepard?

  In a field?

• 6:34Speaker 02

  Yes, on a cliff.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  That sounds nice.

• 6:36Speaker 02

  We were, we were at a different wedding.

• 6:38Dax Shepard?

  We were in high cotton, as they would say. Do you know that term?

• 6:41Speaker 02

  No.

• 6:42Dax Shepard?

  It means like, things are good, wealth is there, you know, like, you're highfalutin.

• 6:47Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 6:47Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it's probably a very...

• 6:49Speaker 01

  I know. I probably hated that.

• 6:52Dax Shepard?

  If you can separate cotton production from slavery, which is certainly hard to do.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  Cotton is a word we like, I guess can't say anymore.

• 6:59Dax Shepard?

  It's a triggering word. But, but I do think when the cotton was high, that meant like, oh, you were about to get paid.

• 7:04Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 7:04Dax Shepard?

  You know, when it's high cotton, we're about to harvest and everyone's gonna get paid.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  And the cotton is high.

• 7:09Dax Shepard?

  Okay, right, so again, if we can somehow parse out.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's hard to do. It's hard to do.

• 7:14Dax Shepard?

  It's challenging, a lot of these words that went down.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  It was a...

• 7:19Speaker 01

  It was a fancy wedding.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  It was fancy. It's certainly the fanciest.

• 7:21Dax Shepard?

  It was really nice. It was really nice.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  It was wonderful.

• 7:24Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, because I don't wanna give the impression that it was ostentatious. It was not. It was just beautiful.

• 7:29Speaker 02

  Also, another reason why I felt so social is like, I am one of Phineas's good friends.

• 7:34Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  And I knew that these people are here because they love him. He doesn't have superficial relationships.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:42Speaker 02

  So I knew that I was safe. So when Jason Sudeikis is like, you know, a couple seats down from me, I'm like, "Hi, buddy. All right, we've never met before, but we're gonna be friends."

• 7:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I felt very comfy, and so I met you, and I just immediately was, oh, this guy's so down-to-earth and...

• 8:02Dax Shepard?

  Well, thank you.

• 8:03Speaker 02

  Sweet.

• 8:04Dax Shepard?

  The power of a wedding, which was really on display there, I almost could see the utility of weddings historically, which is you trust everyone there. We all love this person. This person has cosigned on all of us, and there's an immediate kind of trust. I think people were being very candid immediately.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:23Dax Shepard?

  Like that you wouldn't be in another setting, but it's just like, okay, these two who we trust have vetted everyone here. Also, I do wanna say, because I would hate for anyone to get the wrong impression, yeah, there were a couple heavy hitters there, Sudeikis being one, Beebs. But in a lovely way, most people were childhood friends from both folks.

• 8:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, you had me there.

• 8:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. How long have you... You met Phineas at 19, did you tell me?

• 8:46Speaker 02

  He was 19.

• 8:47Dax Shepard?

  He was 19.

• 8:48Speaker 02

  I was 22.

• 8:50Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  I'm the big sis, for sure. We adopted each other pretty quickly.

• 8:55Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, how did you meet?

• 8:56Speaker 02

  Technically, we met in a crosswalk. We knew of each other and were in mid-crosswalk going like, hey. And then we needed to get out of traffic, but then we got put in a writing session a couple weeks later.

• 9:07Dax Shepard?

  At ages 22 and 19?

• 9:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:10Dax Shepard?

  Okay, who was putting together a writing session at those ages?

• 9:13Speaker 02

  We had managers that were at the same company.

• 9:16Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 9:17Speaker 02

  So they're like, "We think you guys are gonna like each other." And I was married at the time, the first round.

• 9:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, this practice round.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, the tough round.

• 9:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  The rounds that made me tougher.

• 9:29Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, 22 is an ideal age to get married.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was cra... Or no, actually, I was 23. I got married at 23. So it was then. But that session with Phineas, I think you meet some people that you immediately... I don't know what you guys feel about past lives.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:46Dax Shepard?

  Hit us with it.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  Do you get into that?

• 9:47Dax Shepard?

  Well, listen, we do a lot of astrology here, which is not my bag, but I don't mind doing it. And so, yeah, I'm up for past lives. Let's hear it.

• 9:53Speaker 02

  I don't buy into you're coming back as a beetle or a tree or whatever.

• 9:58Speaker 01

  Not way.

• 9:59Speaker 02

  I'm not certain of that.

• 10:01Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 10:01Speaker 02

  Feel pretty certain, because there are folks that I've met, and even how comfortable I was with you immediately. I don't know that we were best friends in a past life, maybe, but I think maybe we ran in. You were my barista. There was a comfortability there. I buy into that. And Phineas and I, we must have been like mother-son, or maybe he was the mother and I was the son.

• 10:23Dax Shepard?

  Sure.

• 10:23Speaker 02

  You know, just really connected. And I've only had a few of those people.

• 10:27Dax Shepard?

  The documentary about those two had not come out yet, right? About he and Billy.

• 10:32Speaker 02

  Oh, no. Billy had just put out Ocean Eyes.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 10:36Speaker 02

  And it was just starting to take off when we met. So I really got to meet him in his most vulnerable state.

• 10:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  You know?

• 10:44Speaker 01

  That's the best time.

• 10:45Speaker 02

  When things were starting to rise, but he wasn't Phineas yet.

• 10:50Dax Shepard?

  Right, he wasn't a single-name artist that everyone knows.

• 10:53Speaker 02

  No. And I feel really lucky that we met back then. Also, just to have all the years that we've had under us now, but love him dearly. I loved the wedding.

• 11:05Dax Shepard?

  It was so fun.

• 11:07Speaker 02

  I had the best time. You...

• 11:08Dax Shepard?

  Hit me.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  I have to say this.

• 11:10Dax Shepard?

  Okay, please do.

• 11:11Speaker 02

  You and Kristen are so free.

• 11:13Dax Shepard?

  Thank you.

• 11:14Speaker 02

  You're on the dance floor, just...

• 11:17Dax Shepard?

  Letting it rip.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  Brashing yourself around. You heard about the shirtless?

• 11:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 11:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that was later in the day.

• 11:23Dax Shepard?

  It was hot as Hades, right? It was a very hot, hot weekend.

• 11:27Speaker 02

  I thought to myself, this armchair expert episode is gonna go so well, cuz I have seen him half naked.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  And I thought, I'm good. This is gonna be great.

• 11:38Speaker 01

  If he had it his way, every guest would see him half naked.

• 11:41Dax Shepard?

  Hey now, hey now, hey now.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  You wanna rip that shirt off anytime you can.

• 11:46Dax Shepard?

  Well, it has to be justified.

• 11:47Speaker 02

  By the way, you were a hit. You know that we were all talking about it the next day, right?

• 11:51Dax Shepard?

  No, that makes me, of course, that makes me, again, I'm the oldest person there, so, you know. Yeah, well, I mean, just objectively, of the friendship group, I'm the oldest one there by far.

• 12:02Speaker 02

  Is Jason?

• 12:03Dax Shepard?

  You were born the year I graduated from high school, Ash.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  Well, you look good, honey.

• 12:08Dax Shepard?

  Well, thank you, thank you. That delights me to no end, cuz I was totally comfortable, by the way. But I'm also very cognizant of the fact that everyone here is in their twenties, for the most part, or beginning of thirties.

• 12:20Speaker 02

  Did that make you uncomfortable at all? No, not at all.

• 12:22Dax Shepard?

  Didn't, I'm just aware of that. And then you're trying to gauge, like, you don't wanna be the weird old guy at a wedding. So I'm like, this may be the last year of my life I could go shirtless here, and it's not insane.

• 12:32Speaker 02

  You were not, no one thought of you as old. And by the way, you're not old.

• 12:37Speaker 01

  You don't have an old energy.

• 12:39Speaker 02

  No, you're very youthful.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I would say that is why they are free. They are older. There is a wisdom, like, age frees you a bit.

• 12:48Speaker 02

  There's an embodiment, I feel like, correct me if I'm wrong.

• 12:52Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 12:52Speaker 02

  I feel like you seem, and your wife seems this way as well, very certain of who you are.

• 12:58Dax Shepard?

  I like to think so, yeah, I think I'm pretty positive of who I am at this point.

• 13:02Speaker 02

  And you're probably pretty okay with that guy.

• 13:04Dax Shepard?

  I am, yeah, yeah, yeah. I had to quit a lot of things and do a lot of things to arrive here. So yeah, I like where we've landed, for sure.

• 13:11Speaker 02

  Well, and to that point, that just tells me you've worked really hard to get to a place where you're okay with who you are.

• 13:18Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 13:18Speaker 02

  I'm probably proud to be that person.

• 13:21Dax Shepard?

  Now, let's be honest as well, I had exchanges with Bieber. I'm still self-conscious, right? In that moment, I'm aware of the enormous status gap.

• 13:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:32Dax Shepard?

  Like, it's an objective, I understand he lives in a different world than me. He has the pressure of if he is close to you, you're thinking about that he's close to you, right? That's an alienating and an isolating experience that I don't have to deal with.

• 13:46Speaker 01

  That's not an enviable position. I don't ever wanna be in a space where the whole room is hyper-aware that I'm there and

• 13:54Dax Shepard?

  It's stressful.

• 13:55Speaker 01

  is kinda half-looking. That's too much pressure on any person.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  No, I think that's why I kind of never looked in his direction. I was like, let's not make him feel, yeah. The story I told myself was that you guys were all at his bungalow, partying.

• 14:14Dax Shepard?

  This is great.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  Uh, playing music, his music.

• 14:18Dax Shepard?

  Oh, really?

• 14:19Speaker 02

  Cuz you guys, I think we're maybe next to each other.

• 14:22Dax Shepard?

  I didn't even know that.

• 14:23Speaker 02

  I'm not a stalker. I just saw you guys at some point going. We're all neighbors.

• 14:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:27Speaker 02

  I thought I heard you laugh and I heard Bieber music, and so I thought you guys

• 14:34Dax Shepard?

  Oh, I wish.

• 14:34Speaker 02

  I thought y'all were very close.

• 14:36Dax Shepard?

  No, that was my first time talking to him in real life.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. Isn't that funny, we're all doing that?

• 14:41Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 14:42Speaker 01

  We're all have stories? Yeah, we're all making assumptions about other people and their relationships and where we stand and all that. Oh, it's so interesting.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  It's like the grand social experiment.

• 14:52Speaker 01

  It is.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you're kind of, at least I was, I was qualifying my

• 14:58Speaker 02

  position there. Why do I get to be here in this very special moment of their lives? And why do they get, who's that motherfucker here?

• 15:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  Why do they deserve to be here? You know, I was very psychoanalyzing it.

• 15:10Dax Shepard?

  Well, we're little monkeys.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  We are.

• 15:11Dax Shepard?

  And we're in a little group of people, and then like, status is undeniably on the table and obvious. Like, again, if Bieber's there, that is what it is.

• 15:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:20Dax Shepard?

  My heart goes out to him, cuz I would have a really hard time in that situation. It would be really hard for me.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think Monica's right. I don't think it's an enviable position and hard to relate to others. Like, we're relating to each other, the experience of being there and a little nervous and like, does this person know who I am or they don't?

• 15:40Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  He had a completely, I can only guess, a very different experience.

• 15:43Dax Shepard?

  He'd be stupid to not assume every person there knew who he was.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 15:46Dax Shepard?

  Okay, I wanna know about San Jose. Take me to San Jose, 1993, you're born

• 15:52Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 15:53Dax Shepard?

  A stone's throw from the camera.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  You are so cute.

• 15:55Dax Shepard?

  Isn't she the cutest?

• 15:57Speaker 01

  And two things I wanna say about, and I never do this, I never comment on looks.

• 16:02Speaker 02

  Wow, I'll take it, it's nice.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  It is, of course, no, you're so beautiful. You remind me of Lincoln.

• 16:08Dax Shepard?

  Oh, sure.

• 16:10Speaker 01

  His oldest daughter.

• 16:12Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 16:13Speaker 02

  Maybe that's why you like me.

• 16:15Dax Shepard?

  Well, I think you're really likable, is why I like you.

• 16:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, you are very likable, but you guys have a similar energy. And also, are you familiar with Gillian Jacobs?

• 16:26Speaker 02

  Gillian Jacobs, yes.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Love, the show Love, that we love.

• 16:30Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yes.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  I love that show.

• 16:32Speaker 01

  You are her twin. Do you get this?

• 16:35Dax Shepard?

  I know what you're saying now.

• 16:36Speaker 02

  I've never gotten that. I've gotten some random ones.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  This is you.

• 16:40Dax Shepard?

  Cuz I'm now permitted to join in.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  You really look like her.

• 16:44Speaker 02

  I will, I will take that compliment. I would've gone up to her if she was at the wedding.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:49Dax Shepard?

  You have a history of going up to people.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  You know my Margot Robbie story?

• 16:52Dax Shepard?

  I do, I do, I do.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  Oh, you look like her too? Oh, my god!

• 16:56Dax Shepard?

  So you went somewhere with Phineas. There's a really funny backstory in this, which is Phineas has already written the Barbie song and it's already won an Academy Award, and he's never met Margot Robbie, right?

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, loser.

• 17:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, and then you guys go to a barbecue together and she's there? Is that the story?

• 17:11Speaker 02

  It was a Halloween party.

• 17:12Dax Shepard?

  Oh, Halloween party.

• 17:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was Marie Antoinette.

• 17:15Dax Shepard?

  Marie Antoinette.

• 17:15Speaker 02

  I had like the beehive and the whole thing and the blood across my neck. And I looked

• 17:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, sounds like it.

• 17:23Speaker 02

  Good as hell. I had a couple drinks.

• 17:25Dax Shepard?

  Sure.

• 17:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  I saw her and I just thought, why not?

• 17:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:32Dax Shepard?

  Sure.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  Just go, go up to her, you got nothing to lose. You do.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 17:38Speaker 02

  You have everything to lose.

• 17:39Dax Shepard?

  No, you're right, you have nothing to lose.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  There's no harm in asking. There's harm in asking. I'm finding that a lot recently, this is such a tangent, but people will ask me for something. Sometimes there is harm. Like, even messaging you the other day, I was like, if I ask him this question and he's uncomfortable, it puts you on the spot, there could be harm in that.

• 18:00Dax Shepard?

  Well

• 18:00Speaker 02

  It's nerve-wracking.

• 18:01Dax Shepard?

  I'm the perfect person.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  I did feel like there's enough of a kinship where I was like, hey, hey.

• 18:06Dax Shepard?

  I was flattered to be asked to be in her video. That's what she asked me to do.

• 18:09Speaker 02

  Oh, that's so flattering. I don't know if I should bring that.

• 18:11Dax Shepard?

  I'm recording two moms' cars that day, back to back on Saturday, so, and I have the kids and no

• 18:16Speaker 02

  So you can't do it?

• 18:16Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, can't do it.

• 18:17Speaker 02

  He's a very busy fellow.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  Well, that's so flattering to ask someone that. But also, I agree with you that some asks are too much.

• 18:26Speaker 02

  They like change your perception of somebody.

• 18:28Dax Shepard?

  When someone asks you something that you don't want or feel like is probably, was an inappropriate ask of you, my approach now is, I completely ignore it. Like, I refuse to let you put me in a position where I've gotta now explain to you why I don't wanna do it, be uncomfortable, you be uncomfortable, the whole thing is like, you made this mistake and it's not mine to deal with. And so I just fucking ignore it. If it's something that I think is crossing the line or it's just too murky and I don't wanna deal with it, I feel emboldened to just pretend it never happened. It's on them.

• 19:00Speaker 02

  I think that's incredible advice.

• 19:02Dax Shepard?

  I don't owe you to be in this crazy uncomfortable situation.

• 19:05Speaker 02

  Because we have our phones on us all the time. I think people assume that they have access to us, free access. And I feel like I've been learning this in the last couple years. And I think Finn has helped me with this. But no one has permission to my access without me saying, hey, yes. So if you happen to have my number, which now you do.

• 19:28Dax Shepard?

  I do.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  If you text me or call me, great, but I haven't just given you permission to have access to me every single moment of the day.

• 19:38Dax Shepard?

  And if I text you at some point and say, my daughter loves the wedding song, she wants to hear it on her birthday, will you leave her a message? Ignore that.

• 19:48Speaker 02

  Ignore it.

• 19:48Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, what are you talking about?

• 19:49Speaker 02

  Or if it's for Lincoln.

• 19:51Dax Shepard?

  Okay, but think of the example, but if like, I'm asking you to be an on-demand organ grinder monkey for my amusement, you just ignore it.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:02Dax Shepard?

  Cuz they're not gonna have the balls to bring it back up.

• 20:04Speaker 02

  You're also a man.

• 20:06Dax Shepard?

  I sure am.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  Do you feel like, I'm curious if you feel a different experience that as women, I feel like I've a little bit had to, if you don't respond, then you're a bitch.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  You feel that way?

• 20:18Speaker 01

  I like that advice, I wouldn't feel comfortable ignoring.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  I do think it's great advice, by the way.

• 20:23Dax Shepard?

  For years, I confronted it. I would go like, you know what, I don't think this is like a fair ask of me. But now I'm in a debate with you, they get defensive. This is like six exchanges that I don't deserve to have to do.

• 20:35Speaker 01

  And that's also an option. You can be like truthful and say, this is inappropriate. Or you can do the really easy thing, which is just say, hey, I'm sorry, I can't.

• 20:48Dax Shepard?

  No thanks.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  You can lie.

• 20:49Speaker 01

  You can lie. Or it's actually not a lie. You can't, because you saying yes would not make you feel good, right? So you can just say, oh, I'm so sorry, I can't do that. Period. And then that does go away, but you've responded honestly with a boundary.

• 21:05Dax Shepard?

  Bo, do you think they would interpret that as, I can't do it, period? Like, oh, right, she's on her period. That's why she can't do it.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  Well, I probably am.

• 21:13Dax Shepard?

  Yes, you are, you are.

• 21:14Speaker 01

  In that way, it's honest too.

• 21:16Speaker 02

  If it's the luteal phase.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:18Dax Shepard?

  I can't, period.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  We're always on our period, okay? You get like one week free.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  We're always in our luteal phase, by the way. Here actually, guys, I'm ovulating today. Do I feel magnetic?

• 21:28Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:29Speaker 01

  You're glowing.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  Fertile.

• 21:31Dax Shepard?

  Fertile.

• 21:31Speaker 02

  You're catching me on such a good day. Tomorrow it all changes.

• 21:35Dax Shepard?

  I now have the app.

• 21:37Speaker 02

  You do, to follow?

• 21:38Dax Shepard?

  Flow, flow.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  Yes!

• 21:41Dax Shepard?

  And I have Flow for Partner.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  Sick!

• 21:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, and if I open it and I'm not gonna say who I got it for, there's a lot of women in my life, let's just say, and I have it.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  You didn't get it for your wife?

• 21:52Dax Shepard?

  I have daughters that I need to know too if they're on another planet. Yeah, so at any rate.

• 21:57Speaker 01

  All on one app?

• 22:00Dax Shepard?

  We started it with.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Shared calendar?

• 22:03Speaker 02

  I think that's genius.

• 22:04Dax Shepard?

  But at any rate, yes, I opened it. I've only used it a couple of times. I happened to be a hero of this one. I opened it and it said, you know, your partner's four days out. Offer her a substantial meal. Well, the night before I had made the most enormous batch of spaghetti that was exceedingly substantial. And I was like, look at this. I'm fucking ahead of schedule. Isn't that crazy?

• 22:25Speaker 01

  It gives you tips?

• 22:26Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  You were like locked into the cycle already.

• 22:29Dax Shepard?

  I somehow subconsciously knew it was time to prepare a substantial meal the night before.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  I recently had my IUD taken out about four months ago. We're not ready to have a baby today. I have a hit song right now.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:42Speaker 02

  We're working on that first. But next year, I was like, well, I want to make sure my body is ready when that time comes.

• 22:50Dax Shepard?

  Now you want to get in that natural rhythm there for a minute?

• 22:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I never had PCOS when I first hit puberty and then when I went off birth control pill for 10 years, which is now famously horrible for you and for 10 years?

• 23:05Speaker 01

  I was on it for a long time too.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  Really?

• 23:08Speaker 01

  Very long.

• 23:08Speaker 02

  Are you natural now?

• 23:10Speaker 01

  Well, I got off.

• 23:10Speaker 02

  Such a personal question. You do not have to answer that.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  No, of course. I froze my eggs.

• 23:17Speaker 02

  How many eggs you got left?

• 23:18Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't have very many. I'll tell you that.

• 23:20Speaker 02

  Girl.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  I froze my eggs and actually this is important because I refused to get off birth control. I was like, I'm not getting off birth control just to freeze my eggs. This is part of my daily life. I need it. I need it for X, Y, and Z, blah, blah, blah. Even though the doctors are like, it's probably going to be better for you if you get off of it for a couple of months. I'm like, I'm not. I didn't.

• 23:40Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  Then that went horribly.

• 23:43Speaker 02

  You didn't get off it?

• 23:44Speaker 01

  I did not get off. I got off of it like the month before and then I did the retrieval and then I got two eggs, which is not ideal.

• 23:53Speaker 02

  Scary.

• 23:53Speaker 01

  And then I did it again. And so then I was like, oh, fuck. Okay, I should probably do it again and I will stay off the birth control. So I was off it for a year. I did it again and it was a better result. Still wasn't amazing, but it was better. So it is important to be off of it for a little bit. I think your body.

• 24:09Speaker 02

  This is so crazy. I have no idea how old you are.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  Thirty-nine.

• 24:12Speaker 02

  So what?

• 24:15Speaker 02

  That is, I mean, could be 20 for sure.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  I will take it. I'm knocking on.

• 24:22Dax Shepard?

  I was graduating. She was in kindergarten when you were born.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  Wow, those are really good genes.

• 24:28Dax Shepard?

  Kindergarten.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  Kindergarten. But yeah, congratulations on making that choice. That's so intimidating and scary. And I'm glad the second round was better.

• 24:36Dax Shepard?

  She made a whole podcast about it, which is phenomenal called Race to Thirty-Five.

• 24:40Speaker 02

  I will be listening to that.

• 24:41Speaker 01

  Thank you. Yeah, I did it with a friend and we went through every day, feeling what we're doing.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  I'm thirty-three.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  This is a great time.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  We're in that window where I'm like, let's get all the tests done. Phineas actually told me to do the, is it genome where you get your blood tested and see if you have any of the?

• 25:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, some of the stuff.

• 25:02Speaker 02

  Diseases. I had nothing.

• 25:05Speaker 01

  Amazing.

• 25:05Speaker 02

  And now my husband doesn't have to do it because our kids won't. The idea is that you both get something.

• 25:11Dax Shepard?

  And he is a recessive.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  I mean, sometimes you just. This is what we do. This is what we do.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  You guys are really good.

• 25:17Speaker 01

  Oh, Margot Robbie is how we got you.

• 25:19Speaker 02

  Which I, by the way, haven't told the story.

• 25:21Dax Shepard?

  I know, I know, earmarked.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  It's okay. We don't have to talk.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  No, we have to. Let's go back. So, okay, you approach her.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  Why did I bring up the IUD? Oh, oh, the cycle. I am ADHD. Hi, guys.

• 25:33Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  We all are.

• 25:35Dax Shepard?

  You're in good company.

• 25:35Speaker 02

  I want to get to a normal place and now I'm starting to, but I've never experienced the full range of the female scope until the last four months.

• 25:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:48Dax Shepard?

  How's that going?

• 25:49Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 25:50Dax Shepard?

  What are the highs? What are the lows?

• 25:51Speaker 02

  I genuinely feel this week of you're ovulating, I feel more magnetic. I feel more social. I feel funnier.

• 26:00Dax Shepard?

  You're open to mating.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  I would like to mate.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  I have found people attractive this week.

• 26:07Dax Shepard?

  That are not attractive.

• 26:09Speaker 02

  Never.

• 26:12Dax Shepard?

  That's great.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  I love my husband. He would be fine with me saying this, but whoa, this week hits and you're like, oh my God. Has he always been that good looking? I don't think so.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Great.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  But then two days from now I will be.

• 26:26Dax Shepard?

  Everyone will be disgusting.

• 26:28Speaker 02

  Anyways, it's just interesting. Margot Robbie was great.

• 26:30Dax Shepard?

  Okay, I know I started because we were wondering if there's bad questions. That's where it all started. Then it turned into, yes. So, yes, you see her, you decide I'm going in, you've had a couple of drinks, you approach her and what do you say?

• 26:43Speaker 02

  I say, hi, so sometimes? People say that we kind of look alike, which is the worst thing you could say to Margot Robbie. Because she's one of the most beautiful people on the planet.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  She is what you do.

• 26:57Dax Shepard?

  How did she respond? Let's first find out the answer to that because I think it went well.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  It went so well. Well, because she's lovely and she said we should start a band.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  Great response.

• 27:07Speaker 02

  Which is so cute. Oh, and then she said she has a cousin who looks like us.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  Oh, oh my God.

• 27:15Dax Shepard?

  Just three of you.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  So she was like, well, rope my cousin. And I think it was cousin. It could have been someone else, but.

• 27:21Dax Shepard?

  The triplets.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  I think you can get Gillian involved. We got a real something going on.

• 27:25Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 27:26Speaker 02

  Genius.

• 27:27Dax Shepard?

  This is what a friend of mine did.

• 27:29Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 27:29Dax Shepard?

  So my friend Scott Johnson constantly got told he looked like Kiefer Sutherland all through our twenties. And lo and behold, he's at a bar drinking one night in Koreatown and he goes into the bathroom and fucking Kiefer Sutherland is standing in front of the mirror.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  Like twenty-four?

• 27:44Dax Shepard?

  Well, Scotty at this point is probably thirty and then.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  That's who he is.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  Of the show.

• 27:50Dax Shepard?

  Oh, sorry. Yes, the actor Kiefer Sutherland. And Scotty saddles up next to him at the sink and he goes, you must get so fucking sick of people telling you you look like Scott Johnson. Which fooled him over. Yes, he started laughing. They went and drank together and then Scotty went back to his house and they partied all night.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 28:11Dax Shepard?

  That's such a funny way to say it.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  That is the best possible way for that to go.

• 28:15Dax Shepard?

  But I think that's the move. Instead of telling people that you look like them, do you say?

• 28:18Speaker 01

  It's tricky though, because you have to look so much and he does look a lot.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  You do have to. But reminder, Liquid Courage was involved.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 28:25Speaker 02

  I would not have said, I thought it was a cute, connecting moment.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  It was.

• 28:30Dax Shepard?

  It was.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  Luckily she was great.

• 28:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:32Dax Shepard?

  I guarantee she agrees.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  This is my best story. There's no way.

• 28:38Dax Shepard?

  This is my best story.

• 28:39Speaker 02

  She remembers this story.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Also, she's like, we should start a band. You should have been like, do you know how to sing? I do. You could have really carved it, you know? You really could have made.

• 28:48Speaker 02

  Margot, do you know how to sing?

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  And then I, no, the way I turned it, I said, I'm here with my friend Phineas.

• 28:55Dax Shepard?

  She introduces Margot to Phineas, who Phineas has already done the Barbie song.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  We haven't met yet. And I was like, do you, you want to meet my guy, my friend?

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Love it.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  So I go over to Phineas and I'm like, hey, you want to meet Margot? And he's like.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  We're in a band together.

• 29:12Dax Shepard?

  Do you want to meet my bandmate, Margot?

• 29:13Speaker 02

  He was probably mortified.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  I don't think so.

• 29:18Speaker 02

  This poor guy. I have put him through the wringer. But you know what? It's good for him.

• 29:21Speaker 01

  It's good for him.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:25Dax Shepard?

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• 31:11Dax Shepard?

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• 32:38Dax Shepard?

  We get support from Instagram teen accounts. So we talk a lot on this show about how the world is different now than when we were growing up. And one of the biggest differences is obviously social media. And I think a lot of people wonder, okay, what's actually being done to make it safer for teenagers?

• 32:54Speaker 01

  Which is a fair question.

• 32:55Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, so Instagram has got something called teen accounts and they come with automatic protections built in by default. So anyone between 13 and 17 is automatically placed into this experience. They get age appropriate content settings, contact limits, so that by default, only people they're already connected to can message them. And time management tools, daily time limit reminders, and also sleep mode that mutes notifications from 10:00 PM to 7:00 AM.

• 33:21Speaker 01

  Sleep mode is genius.

• 33:23Dax Shepard?

  Right? And here's the thing, for anyone under 16, a parent has to give permission to change any of those settings to be less strict. The guardrails are on and Instagram keeps building new safety features to create age appropriate experiences for teens.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  I am really glad Instagram's helping to give parents peace of mind with teen accounts.

• 33:42Dax Shepard?

  Learn more about teen accounts and Instagram's ongoing work to protect teens online at instagram.com/teenaccounts.

• 33:56Dax Shepard?

  Okay, San Jose.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Wow.

• 33:59Dax Shepard?

  Tell me the vibe growing up in the 90s. How many siblings do you have? I know about your brother.

• 34:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had one older brother.

• 34:05Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  Just the two of us. I was the baby, but I was the older child. He was the super artsy, free spirit, push the boundaries rebel addict and intense personality. Also just loves to have, like, just will pull everyone in and then their whole heart will get wrapped up. And then they can't save that person, then they fall apart.

• 34:32Dax Shepard?

  Was he a good big brother? Did he look out for you?

• 34:35Speaker 02

  He was a great big brother.

• 34:36Dax Shepard?

  He was.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was really special. For context, he died in 2020.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  I'm so sorry.

• 34:41Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 34:42Dax Shepard?

  To add to an already great year.

• 34:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, in my career, I had the song Moral of the Story. It was like the first song of my career that kind of changed the trajectory.

• 34:52Dax Shepard?

  It's on the Netflix movie, All.

• 34:54Speaker 02

  To All the Boys I Love Before.

• 34:56Dax Shepard?

  To All the Boys. Yes, this kind of breaks out.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was definitely the breakout moment and that was in February. Then the songs taking off were booking radio tours, March hits, COVID. Then September 11th, my brother dies, heroin overdose. And it was just the most insane, which this is an interesting, I'd be so curious to get y'all's advice about this topic. I'm going through a similar time of my career where there's one song taking off and there's this success. My body.

• 35:35Dax Shepard?

  Is waiting for disaster.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  I'm in like, what is it called? Having a trauma response to it. My nerve endings are pretty fried. I think it's good that I'm catching you at this point in my cycle. I kind of feel as boosted up as I can.

• 35:50Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  But my nervous system is really shot right now.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  I'm not surprised.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  So what?

• 35:57Dax Shepard?

  Ask, do you think this, I would be guessing, I don't know you well enough, but my guess would be that this pattern actually predates 2020 in life when things got good. Did the floor fall out in childhood a lot? The floor fell out for me often, right? We were moving houses a lot, you know, things were happening a lot. So every time something was good, I was like, for how long? You just always thought for how long?

• 36:21Speaker 01

  That's what life is, living with an addict though, always for your whole life is it's a high. Their high is also your high because they're like happy and they're fun and they're like loving. And then there's a crash out at some point. So there's some like, okay, they're in this phase. So that means this other phase is about to come.

• 36:40Dax Shepard?

  The luteal phases are on.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, luteal's on its way.

• 36:43Dax Shepard?

  They're ovulating, they can't ovulate forever.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's coming.

• 36:46Speaker 01

  You grow to live like.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, my dad was severely bipolar, which really hit when I was eight. So there was like a big shift then, which I've always said, I'm so grateful that that zero to seven, those are the most informative years. Those were actually fairly stable. And then seven on, everything shattered. There was so much trauma that my little body didn't know what to do with all of it.

• 37:16Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 37:16Speaker 02

  I've done so much therapy for sure and EMDR and trying to tap into it. I'm definitely the healthiest version now, today. But there is stuff that lives there that you're just ready for the rug to be pulled out.

• 37:32Dax Shepard?

  Well, your brain is formatted. You create neural networks. You have a higher arousal setting. I have a higher arousal setting. There's not like a lot of physiological things that you will continue for life.

• 37:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:43Dax Shepard?

  You're likely more prone to an autoimmune disease. You know, there's a lot of predictable stuff.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  My husband has had no trauma and I wouldn't wish any of it on him. But you know, I'm explaining some of this to him and it is really hard for him to totally wrap his head around that. Cause when he's experienced moments of excitement in his life, it's just excitement.

• 38:08Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  And I've actually met more people like that than not. And I think when I meet someone like you that can understand or relate, there is like a connection there.

• 38:20Dax Shepard?

  I think the thing we're all trying to get to is,

• 38:25Dax Shepard?

  yeah, the shoe's gonna drop. By the way, the shoe drops for everybody, right? Someone you love is gonna die. All these things are gonna happen.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:32Dax Shepard?

  I think what you and I can get stuck in is there was a period where we didn't have the agency to deal with the fallout of these other people. And we still think we don't. And the truth is, yeah, something's gonna go bad, but also you'll be able to handle it.

• 38:48Speaker 02

  But I'm a horse.

• 38:49Dax Shepard?

  You're living with the fear that you will be incapable of handling whatever comes as if you're seven, but you're not.

• 38:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:57Dax Shepard?

  You're not seven, you're 33, you're a gangster, you're prolific, you're creative. You will handle whatever comes your way. So I think the thing is trying to right size this fear of like, yeah, what's gonna happen? That I can't handle, but you can handle that. Yeah, just learning to recognize you're not eight.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  What helps you recognize you're not eight? What helped you sort of reprogram?

• 39:20Dax Shepard?

  I had a situation where my mom was newly dating again at 70 or whatever. She had had this wonderful husband and he passed and I adored him. And then all of a sudden there was a new boyfriend coming to my house to visit when she came to visit. And I first was like, no, you can't, how long have you been with this dude? No, I don't want to do to my house, right? And I had three or four days where I was just like, it was off the table. No, you can't bring a guy I've not met to my house. I have children, blah, blah.

• 39:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, fair.

• 39:46Dax Shepard?

  And about four days went by and I was like, oh, you think you're 10 and if this guy comes and you don't want him to leave, he won't leave.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  You have to protect.

• 39:55Dax Shepard?

  You're an adult man who I'm sure physically can remove the guy. You're not in danger, right? Even if she's chosen wrong again and the pattern's here again, I'm not eight anymore. And I called her back up and I was like, I'm fine, bring him. And if I want him to leave, I'm gonna tell him to leave.

• 40:14Speaker 02

  Good for you.

• 40:14Dax Shepard?

  It didn't go great and I did end up talking to the guy.

• 40:18Dax Shepard?

  And so that was, that was.

• 40:20Speaker 02

  That's such a bummer at Monica's face right now.

• 40:22Dax Shepard?

  For me that I was like, oh, right. I'm an adult that can take care of myself. Yeah. And if I don't like the guy, I'll tell the guy.

• 40:27Speaker 02

  I've been saying the phrase, I am safe in the life I've created for myself every morning.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that helps.

• 40:34Speaker 02

  That's helping.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  Also, I think there's a little bit of, what's the phrase where you miss? I am about to start my period, so I don't have a brain.

• 40:43Speaker 02

  That's the word. Those days.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  It's a bad, it's bad.

• 40:46Dax Shepard?

  I got all the options here today.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  You're welcome.

• 40:50Speaker 01

  I think what Dax said is like, yeah, this is life. Bad stuff will happen. That's inevitable. But it's not because of the good thing. They're not tied together.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  Anyways.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:03Speaker 02

  You just happen to have a good thing happening.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Bad things happen.

• 41:06Dax Shepard?

  It's coincidental.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  Attribution error.

• 41:09Dax Shepard?

  Ah, attribution errors.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  I got there. Attribution error. It's not because of that.

• 41:14Speaker 02

  Look at you, right before your period.

• 41:16Dax Shepard?

  Well, she started this moment.

• 41:20Dax Shepard?

  The flies show up.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  It's really inappropriate.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  Is it okay that I have my shoes up?

• 41:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 41:26Speaker 02

  Is that inappropriate? Okay.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  But it's like decoupling those two things. Bad stuff happens, good stuff happens. They're not related.

• 41:34Speaker 02

  That's really great. Decoupling is a good word for it.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:38Dax Shepard?

  I also think an additional thing that's likely on the table. So there's that thing. There's like, well, I won't be able to handle this thing. I'm so terrified of what's coming. I can feel something's coming. I'm not capable of handling a challenge, which you are. That's one issue. I think another one which I suffer from is I don't deserve this. I'm not worthy of this. I'm an imposter and the universe is going to smite me immediately if I'm mistaken for being worthy of this. And that's the internal self-love part. And I hate to report what got me through that mostly is just having children, I hate to say. Because I found such an identity in so much esteem in my role as a dad

• 42:20Dax Shepard?

  that I feel so worthy of all things now because I just found this bedrock of esteem for me. I know that's not for everyone, but for me, that's how it was.

• 42:29Speaker 02

  That's really profound. There's always that in the back. It's much more subconscious now. My conscious brain.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  Knows I'm great. And I feel it's a waste of my time to believe that I'm not worthy of what's coming.

• 42:51Dax Shepard?

  And even more dangerous, if you think you're not worthy, you will prove you're not worthy.

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, you like put your own limiter on yourself, right?

• 42:57Dax Shepard?

  You'll put out a piece of shit somehow, like your brain, weird subconscious will be like, let's prove I'm right.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:04Dax Shepard?

  And then you'll make some shortcut that normally you wouldn't, or you do some inexplicable thing that only in retrospect you'd go, oh, I self sabotaged to prove I was right, that I wasn't worthy of this.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  I mean, I almost quit music altogether, had a pretty big mental nervous breakdown. Cause it was sort of off the back of the moral of the story moment. And my brother dying and all that trauma that I wasn't dealing with. And then, mind you, all the childhood stuff that is dangerous to go near. So that just gets set aside as well. And then we got closer and closer to this big tour coming up. And every day we got closer, I started having panic attacks for the first time. Panic attacks are scary. You think you're dying.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 43:48Speaker 02

  Have you experienced?

• 43:49Dax Shepard?

  Mine has had a ton of them.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  I used to get them a lot. I haven't had one in a really long time, actually.

• 43:53Speaker 02

  What a horrifying.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  They're horrifying.

• 43:55Dax Shepard?

  She's an overachiever. So you know, when she's gonna have them, she's gonna have them all the time.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 43:59Speaker 01

  Sometimes in the car, which is really fun.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  No, not while you're driving.

• 44:03Dax Shepard?

  In SoulCycle, gonna pass out and fall off a bike?

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. It was awful. I mean, it was such a horrible period of time. I relate. It's so bad. And you do, you feel like you're gonna die. You feel like something's really deeply wrong with you. I went to so many doctors, like, you have anxiety. I'm like, you don't understand. If you think what I have is anxiety, like, you're wrong. And it was.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  It's born from anxiety, right? Did you see a therapist or?

• 44:27Speaker 01

  I started therapy for the first time. That helped. And

• 44:31Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 44:32Speaker 01

  And I hate this answer because it's sort of an external thing. But I started nannying for them.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  Not your kids being the answer to both.

• 44:41Dax Shepard?

  You wanna borrow them?

• 44:43Speaker 02

  Where's Lincoln?

• 44:44Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 44:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I need to meet these kids.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  I mean, the kids are deeply special, but it was more that I had stability.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  Cause before that, I was working on SoulCycle. I was babysitting all the time. I was auditioning. I was like, what is my life?

• 44:59Speaker 02

  Were you doing this at the time? Was this before Armchair?

• 45:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, way, way. So yeah, this was twenty, when did I start? I don't remember.

• 45:07Dax Shepard?

  Well, Del was born in fourteen, so probably fourteen.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, right around 2014 then.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  So yeah, I just had this job that I knew. I went in the morning and I left and I had like more freedom.

• 45:17Dax Shepard?

  Structure.

• 45:18Speaker 02

  Is that how you met?

• 45:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I started.

• 45:20Dax Shepard?

  Well, we met socially. And then in that social connection, we found out she babysat.

• 45:24Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 45:25Dax Shepard?

  None of the kids died when she babysat, so then we said.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  They were thriving under my care.

• 45:30Dax Shepard?

  Manny?

• 45:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, they became so much smarter and

• 45:33Dax Shepard?

  Darker. Yeah.

• 45:34Speaker 02

  Darker?

• 45:37Speaker 02

  Darker. That's awesome.

• 45:38Speaker 01

  Oh, I was giving them the panic peptide every night.

• 45:41Speaker 02

  Anyways, San Jose.

• 45:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, when the bipolar episodes started, it's presumed destabilizing for everyone involved yet. It's a contagious condition in ways.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, you just start feeling like you have responsibility over it. Whatever you do is in control of their volatility.

• 46:04Dax Shepard?

  To regulate them and keep them.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, whatever they need to make sure you're safe and your mom's safe and your brother's safe.

• 46:13Dax Shepard?

  Do you have an autoimmune yet?

• 46:15Speaker 02

  Not yet. You know, it's

• 46:16Dax Shepard?

  That's so stressful.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  Sort of bringing this up to the nervous system thing, and how much of this is psychosomatic? Cause my allergies are abnormally bad and feeling like I'm getting sick all the time. And I'm like, I'm good. I am healthy. This shouldn't be like this. It could totally be the start of an autoimmune thing, but the whole body keeps the score.

• 46:38Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, right.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  It's like, I haven't read the book, but you don't have to.

• 46:42Dax Shepard?

  No, you don't need to. It's in the title.

• 46:45Speaker 02

  Great title.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I almost feel bad for him. Like, that title, he should have made it a little more elusive.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:53Dax Shepard?

  Great book. I actually read it. It's a phenomenal book.

• 46:55Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 46:56Dax Shepard?

  It has some critics now. There's like a wave of criticism about it, yeah. But at any rate, I don't know how you're not an addict.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  I know. I think that I got to see, so my dad, for all the wonderful things that he was and is, we don't speak, but he's self medicated. And I just saw between him and my brother's story. It took all the sparkly bits away from using. I'm surprised alcohol didn't ever become a problem for me. It's only just brought me closer to Margot Robbie.

• 47:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a real asset, really.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  I think that's just by the grace of God or Oprah or the universe.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  Body chemistry, probably. It's literally just probably genetically.

• 47:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  You don't have it.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause I'll start smoking and then I'll be like, I'm good. And then I cannot smoke. I do feel like that's rare.

• 47:48Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, that's Kristen. When I met her, she smoked. And then three months went by and I'm like, wow, I've never seen someone so effortlessly quit smoking cigarettes. And she goes, I haven't quit. And I go, you haven't had a cigarette in like three months. She's like, really?

• 47:59Speaker 02

  Isn't that weird?

• 48:00Dax Shepard?

  What the fuck is wrong with you? How could you not? All I would think about when I quit.

• 48:03Speaker 02

  Maybe I'm like your daughter, cause I'm like her. No.

• 48:07Dax Shepard?

  You also start doing piano and vocal lessons around the same time, I guess, the bipolar rises. Cause you're eight when you start doing all that, right?

• 48:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:16Dax Shepard?

  Is that a retreat?

• 48:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, music definitely was a place to find something that was only mine.

• 48:23Dax Shepard?

  You also can exhibit control. I put my finger here, this comes out.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  Songwriting was such a novel. I get to process what's going on in my life through words that no one has to hear. I just wanted so badly for my family to be okay that they would have never known that I wasn't okay. I would have never expressed that I was hurting or not okay. Or I didn't know what my favorite color was. Everything was so wrapped up in them. Yeah, there was this one small piece that was all mine and that was writing. So I think that definitely shaped me for sure.

• 49:05Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, this stuff can give you your best hobbies.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  Your trauma?

• 49:09Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. So you can pick up some stuff that you end up loving for your life.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  There's that healing that can come from.

• 49:16Dax Shepard?

  How are you getting validated in a way that would make you confident to try to get into Berkeley?

• 49:21Speaker 02

  Hmm, I don't know that I was. Things got really hairy my senior year of high school. There's stories that I think one day I'll be able to tell, but that don't fully belong to me. So I get nervous about

• 49:35Dax Shepard?

  Sure.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  sharing them. But our house was bombed, cause my brother was affiliated with a gang. And then our dog got shot. Thing after thing after thing.

• 49:45Speaker 01

  These are not just things. These are enormous, literally bombs.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  Just literal bombs. Molotov cocktail to the back of our car.

• 49:53Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  And

• 49:54Speaker 01

  Cortisol.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  And that's gotta be another thing. My body is ready for trauma. I'm good in a crisis. You want me on your team.

• 50:03Dax Shepard?

  I'll go further. I get high in a crisis.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 50:07Dax Shepard?

  Love it. Have to keep myself from searching it out.

• 50:10Speaker 02

  Starting on crisis?

• 50:11Dax Shepard?

  Or just, I see the shit happening over there. I want to run over there. I just wanna be involved.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  It's a little bit of maybe a savior complex of like, I'm gonna save you from your trauma. Cause I know I can handle it.

• 50:24Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  I have years

• 50:26Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, training.

• 50:26Speaker 02

  Of training.

• 50:27Dax Shepard?

  Like you're a seal.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  My husband's father was diagnosed with kidney cancer this past year. And I was like, ready and action. Let me be, I'm gonna help you guys. And of course, it's like, you gonna make the kidney cancer go?

• 50:40Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wrote a song that I'm certain is going to chase this cancer out of your kidney.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  Stop it. I've never considered that I get high from it, but I think there's ego in it for sure.

• 50:54Dax Shepard?

  Well, if I could defend us or be more compassionate to us. Again, the arousal setting got pinned. If your Molotov cocktail's fucking blasting off, right? So life can be a little agonizingly boring in a way. This is where the dopamine seeking is. It's like, you can be suffering under peaceful, normal conditions, which is not your fault. It's your responsibility. You gotta not get yourself into shit. But, but yeah, I feel very alive. All my senses work great. I'm plugged in. And that elevated state is pleasurable and a bit euphoric.

• 51:27Speaker 02

  It's probably why I love being on stage. My therapist was like, there's an amount of cortisol and adrenaline that's released in the body on stage. That's the same as going to war.

• 51:38Dax Shepard?

  Surely.

• 51:38Speaker 02

  Your body doesn't know the difference between these fans screaming at you and you're fired up.

• 51:44Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah. Another gear kicks in and you are trained for this. So this is like, yeah.

• 51:50Speaker 02

  If people are coming to my show and they wanna meet me or come backstage, it has to be before. Cause if it's after, if it's right after, I'm still in the adrenaline high. But if it's like even thirty minutes after, I crash.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  Which is not

• 52:05Speaker 01

  You just got off the battlefield.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  I'm gonna have to figure that out for this next run.

• 52:10Speaker 01

  You're allowed to take some time after. Why? You don't know anyone, anything. You're allowed to take the minute to relax.

• 52:17Speaker 02

  Me staring you in the eyes like, really?

• 52:19Speaker 01

  You're like, am I?

• 52:21Dax Shepard?

  Are you positive?

• 52:22Speaker 01

  You're allowed to have rules.

• 52:23Speaker 02

  First time this is occurring.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, they come before. That's it.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  I just got off the road with Benson Boone, who was and is the nicest person you'll ever meet in your life.

• 52:36Dax Shepard?

  Really?

• 52:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you ever get the chance to have him.

• 52:38Dax Shepard?

  He's a human sparkler, right? Connect us. We would love to have him on. I want to do a backflip off this table.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  And he would.

• 52:44Dax Shepard?

  He has a beautiful physique.

• 52:47Speaker 02

  He's very handsome.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  Even when you're not ovulating.

• 52:52Speaker 02

  Even when you're not ovulating, he's handsome.

• 52:54Dax Shepard?

  He's like, he's luteal phase resistant.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  I was, well, I was in my luteal phase both times. So I was on the road with him for two weeks in the luteal phase. Then I got off the road and then I, you know, follicular ovulating and I was like, man, I was on tour with a handsome guy. And then we had one last show of the tour. He had to cancel a show and so I came in for the remake of that one. I was back on my luteal, so I couldn't appreciate.

• 53:22Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 53:22Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Us men have no clue. We're like, boy, there was no rhythm. I guess my hair looked bad that day. When you're a young man, you have no fucking awareness of that, the luteal phase. And you're just like, wait, why was, she was giving me a lot of rhythm last time I saw her. And now, what happened? Did I get disfigured? What has happened?

• 53:39Speaker 02

  That is so funny.

• 53:40Dax Shepard?

  We have no clue.

• 53:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's really tough.

• 53:43Dax Shepard?

  You have so much compassion.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  I am so, so sorry for you guys.

• 53:46Speaker 02

  But so before he goes onstage, he prays. I can't speak for him. I don't know if he's so religious anymore. Cause he came backstage and he invited me to like, the prayer circle.

• 53:56Dax Shepard?

  Oh, fun.

• 53:57Speaker 02

  First we dance. Everyone's twerking and then we huddle up and we pray. And it was the most sweet, kind of transformative, grounding thing.

• 54:08Dax Shepard?

  Ritual.

• 54:08Speaker 02

  I think I'm gonna start praying before I go onstage.

• 54:11Dax Shepard?

  I do my mantra.

• 54:12Speaker 02

  Really cool.

• 54:13Dax Shepard?

  So my prayer is the equivalent, I meditate.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  He's not allowed to tell us.

• 54:17Dax Shepard?

  I do transcendental meditation, but you have a mantra that's given to you. And that's what you say over and over again in your head while you're meditating.

• 54:23Speaker 02

  I don't want you to tell me, if you don't wanna tell me, obviously, but why don't you share it?

• 54:29Dax Shepard?

  I have no idea, but when it was given to me, I was instructed to not ever tell anyone what my mantra is.

• 54:35Speaker 02

  By someone?

• 54:36Dax Shepard?

  By the instructor of transcendental meditation.

• 54:38Speaker 01

  It's not like a sentence. It's like a, um.

• 54:41Dax Shepard?

  It's a word that makes no sense to me. It's a sound.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  It's like klidiop or something. What if I got it?

• 54:47Speaker 02

  Kl- klidiop?

• 54:48Dax Shepard?

  You're quite far off, but yes, that would be great. If anyone would get it, it would be you.

• 54:53Speaker 02

  Klidiop. What if it's klidiop?

• 54:55Dax Shepard?

  Should we bore with our story?

• 54:57Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. You go.

• 54:58Dax Shepard?

  I'm traveling and then I'm talking to Monica. She goes like, I've been mean so weird in my apartment. I'm like, what's going on? She's like, I'm just fucking singing some bizarre song out loud. And I go, sing it to me. And she's like, no, I'm not gonna sing it to you. Uh, whatever. We finish up our business. I hang up, I call her back in like two minutes and I said, is this the song?

• 55:19Speaker 01

  I think, I said the words are, didn't I say the words?

• 55:23Dax Shepard?

  Oh, you said, I have made a song around Xanthum Gum.

• 55:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, around the word Xanthum Gum.

• 55:29Dax Shepard?

  And I go, sing it to me. And she's like, no, I'm not gonna do that. I hang up and all of a sudden it occurs to me, I call her back and when she answers, I go, Xanthum Gum, da-da-da-da-da-da, Xanthum Gum.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  No, it was the same.

• 55:39Dax Shepard?

  Ah! And she screams so loud. She, and then got paranoid. She's like, you installed my TV. Can you like hear, did you?

• 55:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's like, did you do something with my Sonos where you could hear me in my apartment?

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Well, so you're just that connected now, after all these years.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  It's a lot.

• 55:56Speaker 02

  How ago did this happen? Like, had you been working together for a while?

• 56:01Speaker 01

  It was wild. I think, you know, circling back to what you said, I was gonna say it earlier, but I think we've known each other in another life.

• 56:09Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 56:09Speaker 02

  Oh, I can totally.

• 56:11Dax Shepard?

  If I believed in other lives, I would, I would co-sign.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  Like, there's just like, oh, yeah. I've known this person for way longer than I've actually known him.

• 56:20Speaker 02

  Yes. What is that?

• 56:22Speaker 01

  And then sometimes I'm like, ooh, I wonder who you'll be next time.

• 56:25Speaker 02

  I know, I like it in theory.

• 56:27Dax Shepard?

  I think we all have some things that are inexplicable. And I think some explanations for people seem most salient. Yours happens to be like, for you, that just really resonates. Like, yeah, I feel like I've been here before. And again, our friend Phineas. Every time I leave him, I'm like, no, he's 51. He's definitely my age, or he might even be 55.

• 56:46Speaker 02

  If past lives is real, this is his seventh, 70th time.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  Oh, he's been around.

• 56:52Speaker 02

  It's his dad's 80th round. That's the most mature person I've ever met.

• 56:58Speaker 01

  That's so cool.

• 56:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:59Dax Shepard?

  Okay, but back to Berkeley.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 57:02Dax Shepard?

  How does one get into Berkeley? You submit, I presume?

• 57:05Speaker 02

  I auditioned. You have to audition.

• 57:07Dax Shepard?

  You fly to Boston and audition?

• 57:08Speaker 02

  Saying, I think I drove to San Francisco.

• 57:10Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 57:11Speaker 02

  They have teachers that come to different cities. Did my audition. I think I sang an original song. So it was, I'm a singer and I'm a songwriter. And then I sang a Norah Jones, I sang, I Don't Know Why.

• 57:22Speaker 01

  One of my favorites of all time. She sang for us as well.

• 57:25Speaker 02

  She did?

• 57:26Speaker 01

  Highlighted.

• 57:27Speaker 02

  Wait, you've had her on?

• 57:28Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  Early days.

• 57:30Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm definitely gonna go listen to that.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's so good.

• 57:33Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 57:33Speaker 02

  I love her.

• 57:34Dax Shepard?

  And she came and sang Christmas Jingle.

• 57:35Speaker 01

  Oh, that's right.

• 57:36Speaker 02

  I got a partial scholarship from that audition and I might have to owe that to her.

• 57:40Dax Shepard?

  Ah.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  I think you owe it to yourself, but yeah.

• 57:43Dax Shepard?

  Now.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  A little bit of both.

• 57:45Dax Shepard?

  When you go to Boston, A, this is an enormous cultural shift between San Jose and Boston. You also have the weather. You're also now not around the chaos. Is the experience dreamy? How do you change in those four years?

• 58:00Speaker 02

  I think it was the most rapid changing of my entire life. I don't know that I've experienced that level of zhuzh since then. Yeah, before or since.

• 58:11Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, like, so who would you say you entered as and then who did you leave as?

• 58:14Speaker 02

  I entered as a very scared, sad, frightened, insecure, tiny person. I was really terrified. I had a vocal coach who just was begging me to find pride in my voice and that I could do this. And it's funny, cause she came to a show when I was headlining and she's like, look at you with all that confidence. Cause she saw me in probably my most like naked mole rat scared state. I love when she comes to shows, cause it's like such a callback to that. I left Berkeley, I moved to Nashville for songwriting.

• 58:59Speaker 02

  That first year in Nashville was still a little insecure.

• 59:02Dax Shepard?

  One of my questions is, why Nashville, coming out of Berkeley? When you could also probably go to LA or you could go to New York?

• 59:09Speaker 02

  All my friends were going to New York or LA. I knew that starting my career at Ground Zero in those cities was going to eat me alive. Nashville at that time, I still think to an effect, still is this way. It's a reputation town. Like, you make enough friends, you show people that you're talented, you're a good hang.

• 59:32Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 59:32Speaker 02

  You just gotta be a good hang in Nashville.

• 59:34Dax Shepard?

  I also think, would you agree Nashville has a journeyman structure in the old sense?

• 59:39Speaker 02

  Earn your stripes, kind of?

• 59:41Dax Shepard?

  You learn your craft. There are rungs of ladders you can apply for and move up. Whereas here, it's like, I don't know, be nothing and then have a viral hit and be huge. I don't know what the intermediate steps are here. Whereas there, there's a little bit more of a journeyman.

• 59:56Speaker 02

  I would not recommend go straight to LA if you're a dreamer and you have ambitions of being a anything.

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  It's hard.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  LA, for me, it started to warp, at least when I was here, I've lived here for seven years. And it started to warp. I probably was not in the right circles at the right time, but my story of why I was doing it, cause I was around people that were doing it for the wrong reasons. I just saw Sally Fields did a, a little quick interview on the red carpet. And she was like, if you wanna be an actor, to be rich and famous, get the hell out of here. That can't be the point, cause you're gonna get knocked down too many times and you're not gonna get back up. And I think my why of why I wanted to be a music artist and a songwriter, started to get a little bit warped.

• 1:00:46Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, more about the result and less about the experience or process.

• 1:00:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, and so I've kinda come back.

• 1:00:52Dax Shepard?

  Well, to Sally's point, anything short of rich and famous, then nothing's enjoyable. Whereas if you love acting and you're in a play, like, look, I was at the Groundlings performing for free. I couldn't have been happier, right? Like, I was doing a show every Sunday and I was like, oh, I love this. If the only result you're interested is rich and famous, like, then nothing can be enjoyed until rich and famous.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  And then that's not enjoyable, unfortunately either.

• 1:01:15Dax Shepard?

  News, yeah.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  That used to not be cool. Like, when I was a kid, wanting to be rich and famous was gross.

• 1:01:22Dax Shepard?

  You had to pretend you didn't want that.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, if you wanted that, you had to pretend, yeah, you would be a hipster or whatever.

• 1:01:29Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  Tell me if you think I'm wrong, but I feel like I see more kids now interested in, I wanna be an influencer, I wanna be a movie star, I wanna be XYZ, to be rich and famous. Where did we lose the plot in the last, do I sound like an old fucking lady?

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  No, I think.

• 1:01:46Speaker 02

  Right now, like the kids.

• 1:01:47Dax Shepard?

  You sound like the oldest lady we've ever interviewed.

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  I sound like an old lady.

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  No, I think you're absolutely right.

• 1:01:55Dax Shepard?

  What I'll push back on is like, everyone has always wanted to be rich and famous, period, throughout time.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  I think that might be your experience and you might be projecting that.

• 1:02:05Dax Shepard?

  I'm just saying, no kid in their hometown, when they imagine being Margot Robbie or Timothy Chalamet is not thinking, yes, sign me up, that looks fun. But I think what's happened is we have had a shift in the industry, which is the only way to get that in the past was to have become a really good actor or a really good singer. But then we had, and I love her, so, and this is no shade. But then we had like the Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian phenomenon and these people became billionaires. So now, there was a new avenue to being rich and famous that didn't require a ton of training as an actor or singer. And that's fine. So I don't fault anyone. It's like, everyone wanted to be rich and famous, but the hurdle to become that was pretty significant.

• 1:02:47Dax Shepard?

  And there are avenues now to be rich and famous that don't require, to me, a terribly objective skill set.

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  Talent, yeah.

• 1:02:55Dax Shepard?

  Like, if you're hot and you look like you're having a great time everywhere you go, that could be valuable. And by the way, good for them.

• 1:03:01Speaker 02

  And maybe it's valuable.

• 1:03:03Dax Shepard?

  I got no beef with that at all.

• 1:03:05Speaker 02

  That's so interesting.

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  I think when you're young and you're seeing, you know, whatever.

• 1:03:11Dax Shepard?

  Timmy Chalamet?

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, on the cover and you're like, oh my god.

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  It seems so glamorous.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  It seems so glamorous, but really what's under it is like, everyone loves them. I wanna be a person that everyone loves.

• 1:03:22Speaker 02

  I wanna be enough.

• 1:03:23Speaker 01

  And that's what rich and famous is getting conflated with. Yes, exactly. But it's really like, everyone in the whole world loves this person and I want that.

• 1:03:33Dax Shepard?

  And you're definitely naive about what that is. Cause then you're Bieber at the wedding and you know everyone's thinking about you and that's very uncomfortable.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  Well, that's crashing into a new.

• 1:03:43Dax Shepard?

  Right, right.

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  I always wanted to be as successful as Bon Iver, Justin Vernon.

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  Oh my god, he's incredible.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  He can go to a Trader Joe's, but he can also sell out an arena.

• 1:03:54Dax Shepard?

  And get a great table at a restaurant. There are things you want.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  Skip the line. So I was a competitive gymnast for eight years.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  When I was a kid.

• 1:04:01Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:04:01Speaker 02

  Homeschooled for it, was going to the Olympics, saw the Olympics, wanted to go to the Olympics.

• 1:04:06Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  But it was from such a place of, I wanna be great.

• 1:04:11Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  And I wanna be important.

• 1:04:14Speaker 01

  Are you watching Lanterns?

• 1:04:16Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:04:16Speaker 01

  Okay, well, it's great, but there's something that happens. It's not as.

• 1:04:21Dax Shepard?

  Sounds like it's gonna be.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  There's a eulogy that's being given.

• 1:04:27Speaker 02

  Oh, I love a eulogy.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  It's a eulogy that's being given that's written by the person who's died. They've pre-written it.

• 1:04:33Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:04:35Speaker 01

  And the last line is, I hope I mattered. And yeah, I was watching with my friend. We were both like, oof. It like really.

• 1:04:43Dax Shepard?

  Distills it down.

• 1:04:44Speaker 01

  It's all we want. We just wanna matter.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  It's just who are you gonna matter to? Do you need to matter like Dolly mattered? Or do you wanna matter to your kids?

• 1:04:54Dax Shepard?

  My therapist phrased it another way, which is very similar, but he's like, do you think you exist? I mean, it's weirdly that deep. Like, if I'm not observed and people aren't witnessing it, do I exist? You have this deep desire to know you exist. You're not even sure you exist if you see. If you feel invisible, you're in eighth grade and no one says hi to you all day long. It can feel like you don't exist, and that's heartbreaking.

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  I think that's the whole reason why we wanna find love in life, cuz you want someone to be a witness to your life. It's a little selfish. I buy into that fully.

• 1:05:32Dax Shepard?

  They help you know you exist.

• 1:05:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I want to be on the porch wrinkled up with my husband, and I want him to know what I looked like now and what I sounded like and the changes I was feeling and to have experienced all of it.

• 1:05:49Dax Shepard?

  You're telling a story. You're creating a story. The story is your life. If no one reads that book, you know, it's a little bit heartbreaking.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  Did you exist?

• 1:05:56Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:57Speaker 02

  That's why I love, I have a fascination with cemeteries.

• 1:06:01Dax Shepard?

  Okay. You performed at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery. That must have been a joy.

• 1:06:05Speaker 02

  Very cool. It's cool to see like a sea of heads and then a sea of tombstones. That was really powerful.

• 1:06:13Speaker 01

  Just cuz it's a reminder of life?

• 1:06:14Speaker 02

  I just like to feel small in, I think, a healthy way.

• 1:06:18Dax Shepard?

  In a humility way.

• 1:06:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, like the ocean. I think we make ourselves so grand. It's funny cuz we hold multitudes. We're like, I'm small, but I'm important. But I love looking at a tombstone that's like seventeen, eighty to eighteen, whatever. And I just imagine the adventures that they had and the laughs that they had and were they funny? Were they talented? Did they have kids? Were they someone's brother, sister? And you create this little life and their story's over. It's done. And that's gonna be me.

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  It's gonna be me tomorrow.

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  I don't like that.

• 1:07:01Speaker 02

  Okay, not tomorrow, but.

• 1:07:02Speaker 01

  But I know what you mean.

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  Whether it's thirty years or a hundred and thirty, it's short.

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  It is.

• 1:07:10Speaker 03

  Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.

• 1:07:17Dax Shepard?

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• 1:09:52Dax Shepard?

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• 1:10:06Dax Shepard?

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• 1:10:27Dax Shepard?

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• 1:12:13Dax Shepard?

  We would sometimes drive to Toronto from Detroit, my family, my mom and my brother and my sister. I would see these apartment buildings. There's so many windows. I'd be in the backseat of my mom's Pinto, and I go, it's almost incomprehensible. Every one of those windows has a me in it that feels very important.

• 1:12:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:31Dax Shepard?

  And then a bunch of other, my mom's in there, my brother's in there. It's overwhelming.

• 1:12:35Speaker 02

  It's overwhelming. We're so small, but we really don't think about it. We're thinking about it right now cuz we're lucky enough to have this conversation, but we're gonna leave here and an hour from now, we're gonna forget that there's a bunch of people in those windows.

• 1:12:49Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, and they all are having important lives, and they're the star of it, yeah. Okay.

• 1:12:54Speaker 02

  Wow. We're really doing it.

• 1:12:56Dax Shepard?

  I wanna.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  I, I'm having a nice time.

• 1:12:59Dax Shepard?

  Oh, good. We try to provide one.

• 1:13:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:02Dax Shepard?

  We aim to.

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  This has been like a real port in the storm. This week has been fucking insane. And then the music video of it all, like I said, my nervous system's, huh. But seeing this on my calendar has brought me so much joy.

• 1:13:14Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wonderful.

• 1:13:15Speaker 02

  I knew it would be nice.

• 1:13:16Dax Shepard?

  I have a question about the financials of when you move to Nashville and you start, you're doing a couple of different things that I assume are paying the bills, which is you're starting to sing on other people's stuff. And then you're also writing, like you write a song with Demi Lovato?

• 1:13:30Speaker 02

  For her.

• 1:13:31Dax Shepard?

  In the acting world, we know it's like, if you get one national commercial this year, you'll be okay. You're gonna be able to make your rent. We know what one needs to do to survive here, but how does one cobble together and which things buy you more time, basically? Like, when you write that song for Demi Lovato, do you go like, oh, okay, I have this chunk of safety?

• 1:13:51Speaker 02

  You're trying to get a publishing deal. As a writer, that's your first stop, your goal. I was making coffees, barista, and I was in every writing room that would take me. I was in like two sessions a day for months at a time, and then would work at night.

• 1:14:09Dax Shepard?

  And were you learning a ton in those? Or were you too distracted trying to prove yourself?

• 1:14:14Speaker 02

  Boot camp. I was still insecure. Well, no, I was insecure in trying to prove myself, yes.

• 1:14:19Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, sure. I would be. I'm asking cuz I would have missed a lot of lessons trying to prove to them I deserved to be there, even though I didn't think I did.

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, trying to like come up with an amazing idea.

• 1:14:30Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  Nashville, more so than LA, at least at the time. They want to teach you. You're in writing rooms with people who are very yes and. So you'll say an idea and then they'll piggyback off you. That's why I loved writing with Phineas. Cause he is such a yes and writer.

• 1:14:52Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:14:52Speaker 02

  I've had the pitfall of being a but so, you know?

• 1:15:00Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:15:00Speaker 02

  Cause I don't know if that's good enough or I'll put a period at the end of something. So I definitely was learning a lot from those Nashville writers. I had no business being in some of those rooms. And honestly, I only got in them because I was a good hang. You're gonna like this girl. She's, you know?

• 1:15:15Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, fun to be around.

• 1:15:16Speaker 02

  Fun or whatever. That got me further than my talent did. And then the talent crossed over to the next thing. But yeah, so the financials were tricky for a bit. I signed my first record deal and publishing deal 2019? Eighteen? And then I was able to just do that.

• 1:15:35Dax Shepard?

  And then the progression is you put out like some singles and then you put out an EP with four songs. And then you put out a second EP. Finally, then you do a full studio album.

• 1:15:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:47Dax Shepard?

  And the first one was of the first three. Cause now your fourth one's about to come out.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  October 16th.

• 1:15:53Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  It's like tomorrow. I'm so excited.

• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  So exciting.

• 1:15:55Dax Shepard?

  The first one, I would imagine you're pumped, right? The first one probably shockingly does well for you.

• 1:16:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Everyone says you write your first album your whole life.

• 1:16:05Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:06Speaker 02

  Oh, it's all leading up to that one.

• 1:16:08Dax Shepard?

  Yes. You have your entire life to draw from.

• 1:16:10Speaker 02

  And then you have no idea what to fucking write about after that.

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  Second season of a show is similar. It's like, ooh, now what?

• 1:16:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, green light, but.

• 1:16:19Dax Shepard?

  So did you spin out when it came time like, okay, well, let's just follow it up?

• 1:16:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:24Dax Shepard?

  Was that so stressful?

• 1:16:25Speaker 02

  I think, man, and I'm talking about him way too much. He really is such a big part of my life. But Phineas was on Till Forever Falls Apart, which was on that album. And that was a part of, I got a follow up moral of the story with a great song. Wrote that, sent it to him, said, do you wanna sing on this?

• 1:16:43Dax Shepard?

  And that's the song you guys played at the wedding. That's so good.

• 1:16:45Speaker 01

  So awesome.

• 1:16:46Speaker 02

  It's really special. Also, I remember being a kid when I first started writing and dreaming of a duet. Wouldn't it feel amazing to be on stage with someone else?

• 1:17:00Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:00Speaker 02

  And we're having this magical movie. You know, I'm picturing it in my head as a movie. And I get to do that so often.

• 1:17:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:09Speaker 02

  I'm living this very special, so big whoosh vortex of energy and hormones. And it's awesome. It's the coolest thing.

• 1:17:17Dax Shepard?

  Yes. Then you guys, you do the favors with him.

• 1:17:20Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:17:20Dax Shepard?

  I'm just gonna flag Home Sweet Home.

• 1:17:23Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:17:24Dax Shepard?

  That's my song on that album, The Dream. It's so funky and fun.

• 1:17:29Speaker 02

  A little disco-y, huh?

• 1:17:30Dax Shepard?

  Yes. There's some hints. That one is a bit Bee Gees-y. And then Stop the Wedding's very Aubrey, in a lovely way.

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  Big inspiration for me.

• 1:17:39Dax Shepard?

  To the degree that you've seen the play and everything and you've watched the, my children watch the movie quite often.

• 1:17:44Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  Once a year.

• 1:17:46Dax Shepard?

  Mama Mia.

• 1:17:48Speaker 02

  Mama Mia.

• 1:17:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, Meryl Streep. Oof, I don't really get, I don't know if you get starstruck. I mean, you see stars all the time on this couch. But Meryl Streep?

• 1:17:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, forget it.

• 1:17:59Speaker 02

  I'd fall over and die.

• 1:18:01Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:02Speaker 02

  Sometimes people say we look alike.

• 1:18:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, the aforementioned Without a Paddle, that was the first movie I was ever in. First time they sent me away to go do all these different things you have to do when you're in a studio movie. And one was go to this thing, Show West. And I like come out, we're all on stage with all these other movies that are coming out. And I bounce out the back door to have a cigarette and fucking Miss Streep?

• 1:18:25Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:18:26Dax Shepard?

  Out there banging a dart.

• 1:18:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:18:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, she and I killed a fucking dart and I'm like. One year ago, I had been trying to get a role for nine years and didn't get one. And then somehow I'm now back here.

• 1:18:37Speaker 02

  Did she know who you were?

• 1:18:38Dax Shepard?

  No, fuck no.

• 1:18:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, no.

• 1:18:39Dax Shepard?

  That's okay. That's great. I'll learn it.

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  Smoking a cigarette with her?

• 1:18:43Speaker 02

  That's so cool.

• 1:18:44Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it's pretty rad.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  That's your best story.

• 1:18:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. I agree. Pull that one out more.

• 1:18:51Dax Shepard?

  I was keeping it in the back pocket.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  I can't believe I haven't heard that.

• 1:18:53Dax Shepard?

  I'm running out. I'm running out. There's only a couple, a couple left.

• 1:18:56Speaker 02

  I've had cigarettes with some pretty cool people, but no one as cool as her.

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  God, I should start smoking.

• 1:19:02Dax Shepard?

  I will ask you, when you meet John Canada, I just, this name is too much for me.

• 1:19:07Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 1:19:08Dax Shepard?

  How does someone end up with the name Canada?

• 1:19:12Dax Shepard?

  I'm a shepherd. My family apparently at one point herded animals, clearly. Shepherd, Smith.

• 1:19:18Speaker 02

  I think it comes from Kennedy, O'Kennedy. They're Irish.

• 1:19:21Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:19:22Speaker 02

  And I think maybe someone wrote it down wrong when they came over.

• 1:19:26Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great.

• 1:19:26Speaker 02

  So O'Kennedy.

• 1:19:28Dax Shepard?

  Became Canada.

• 1:19:29Speaker 02

  Canada. Kennedy, Canada. So really, I'm kind of a Kennedy.

• 1:19:33Dax Shepard?

  If you really.

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  One of the many.

• 1:19:35Dax Shepard?

  Stretch it.

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  You really stretch it.

• 1:19:38Dax Shepard?

  What does John Canada have that makes you willing to give marriage a second shot?

• 1:19:45Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 1:19:48Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I could label so many things. The best thing, everyone is in his circle. I'm a very small circle, tiny, tiny. If you have permission in, then you are very, very important to me, sacred. He has this selflessness to him and this compassion to him. But he just, all walks of life, whoever you are, just pulls them in and makes them feel seen, feel hurt.

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  That's nice.

• 1:20:16Speaker 02

  Feel understood. I don't know how he does it, the aforementioned non-trauma.

• 1:20:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:21Dax Shepard?

  Well, I was gonna say, he's not worried people are going to be liabilities.

• 1:20:24Speaker 02

  They're not gonna hurt him.

• 1:20:26Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  All my compassion and my empathy has come from my trauma. So I'm like, where does this get born of? I think I'm a really kind person. He makes me look like a fucking.

• 1:20:39Dax Shepard?

  Like a real piece of shit.

• 1:20:41Speaker 02

  I like the idea of our kids being able to have that balance of a little bit of a hard ass mom. And then this guy who's just always gonna listen and be like, whatever you have for me, I'm here. And it's really sweet. I think that's his best thing. And then again, back to the past lives thing. I don't know. I looked in his eyes, I looked at him and I thought, you look like my children.

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:21:13Speaker 02

  Like my children are gonna look like you.

• 1:21:16Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:21:17Speaker 02

  The moment I met him.

• 1:21:18Dax Shepard?

  Wow, wow, wow.

• 1:21:19Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:21:20Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  It's ovulation time today.

• 1:21:23Dax Shepard?

  I know.

• 1:21:23Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:21:24Dax Shepard?

  Let's get it over here.

• 1:21:25Speaker 02

  He's flying in today.

• 1:21:26Dax Shepard?

  Okay, this is gonna be the night.

• 1:21:29Speaker 02

  I know, he's gonna be in the music video.

• 1:21:31Dax Shepard?

  Don't wait.

• 1:21:31Speaker 02

  Don't wait. Top kids.

• 1:21:32Dax Shepard?

  You have all these stories about how you wanna be able to do the thing you wanna do. And Kristen and I, our careers both got way, way better.

• 1:21:38Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:21:38Dax Shepard?

  Magically. We're like, I don't know how this is gonna work. And then there's some kind of magic that happens.

• 1:21:42Speaker 02

  I needed to hear that.

• 1:21:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:21:44Speaker 02

  I think I'm on the same page. What I'm not gonna do is let my success get in the way of my greatest dream, which is to be a mom.

• 1:21:51Dax Shepard?

  There you go.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  But I also really wanna go on tour next year.

• 1:21:55Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you'll go on tour. Kristen shot six movies. She was pregnant, she's nursing, she's, you know, you do it.

• 1:22:01Speaker 02

  Also, there's this stigma with being a lady that the minute you have the baby, it's like your fault. It's on the downside of your career. I'd love the trajectory to be a continuation of up. I think you guys might be outliers.

• 1:22:15Dax Shepard?

  No, I can point, I can point to Natalie Portman. I can point to so many people that you're just not aware that they.

• 1:22:23Speaker 02

  Had kids at all?

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  So many people have kids that you don't know have kids.

• 1:22:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:28Speaker 02

  It is different acting world, cause you can kinda disappear for a while.

• 1:22:32Dax Shepard?

  It's worse.

• 1:22:33Speaker 02

  Because you're disappearing when you're filming.

• 1:22:34Dax Shepard?

  Your character isn't pregnant. She's working as a consultant. She's supposed to be a single person, like she's super pregnant. It's harder. You're allowed to be pregnant.

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  But I can't ever be off.

• 1:22:45Dax Shepard?

  Who's pregnant.

• 1:22:46Speaker 01

  You can hide, and they do when people are working, like hiding.

• 1:22:50Dax Shepard?

  But you don't even need to. You don't need to hide.

• 1:22:53Speaker 02

  But she's saying you can be pregnant.

• 1:22:53Dax Shepard?

  You singing this song with a big baby pump is radical. Who doesn't wanna see that?

• 1:22:59Speaker 02

  It's gonna be so cute.

• 1:23:00Dax Shepard?

  Yes, there you go.

• 1:23:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, John Canada is also very handsome.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 1:23:08Speaker 02

  The video is like this old vintage 1960s dating game show.

• 1:23:13Speaker 01

  Oh, fun.

• 1:23:14Speaker 02

  And we need all these like hot male contestants.

• 1:23:18Speaker 01

  Oh, look at you getting the ass as a hot male.

• 1:23:20Dax Shepard?

  No, I'm the janitor that finds the.

• 1:23:22Speaker 02

  Well, we were gonna ask him to be the host of the show.

• 1:23:26Dax Shepard?

  The old pervy host, kissing all the contestants on the lips.

• 1:23:32Speaker 01

  You're like, I have an idea for my character.

• 1:23:34Speaker 02

  You want me to be?

• 1:23:35Dax Shepard?

  Does that work for this song?

• 1:23:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm so sorry you can't make it that day.

• 1:23:41Dax Shepard?

  So I just want to ask, obviously, you're here to promote the girl of your dreams, which comes out October 16th.

• 1:23:46Speaker 02

  Well, I'm here to talk to you.

• 1:23:48Dax Shepard?

  I know you are.

• 1:23:48Speaker 02

  That's my foot in the door.

• 1:23:50Dax Shepard?

  But your project that's forthcoming is the album, The Girl of Your Dreams. Is this the first time? I'm assuming it would be really radical to already have a single that's totally working before the album comes out.

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  It does not suck. It's definitely a vote of confidence. I also kind of reserved myself that this would be my last record if people didn't like it, because I really loved it and I know that it's my best work. This is the best I've ever brought to the table from my voice and what I'm singing, but also the writing. And the producer I worked with, Noah Conrad, he also produced Moral of the Story, and he's at his best. I mean, he is so unbelievably talented. Talk about yes and, and I just know that this is my best. So if my best doesn't cut it, then I'm like, all right, we're gonna pivot.

• 1:24:45Dax Shepard?

  Hold on, I gotta.

• 1:24:47Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:24:47Dax Shepard?

  Before we disagree with this.

• 1:24:48Speaker 01

  I don't love that either.

• 1:24:49Speaker 02

  I'm not saying it's advice to other people.

• 1:24:52Dax Shepard?

  We just interviewed Guillermo del Toro.

• 1:24:56Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:24:56Dax Shepard?

  There isn't a more creative volcano on planet Earth. Tons of these movies that were fucking absolutely brilliant, no one saw. He would have been like, well, I did Pan's Labyrinth and it didn't make $600 million, so I guess I'm in the wrong business. And this, by the way, this contradicts what you just said, which is like, if rich and famous is the goal, then get the fuck out of the business. Making great albums that you're proud of is the business.

• 1:25:21Speaker 02

  Making your art. I think it's like, can I keep paying the bills with it?

• 1:25:24Dax Shepard?

  Right, well, John Canada's gonna, you know, he's gonna have to help you work, worry about that.

• 1:25:29Speaker 02

  He has his masters in accounting.

• 1:25:30Dax Shepard?

  Well, there we go.

• 1:25:32Speaker 01

  That's a reliable job.

• 1:25:33Dax Shepard?

  That's a far better backup plan than either of us have.

• 1:25:36Speaker 02

  By the way, my grandma loves that fact.

• 1:25:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good fact.

• 1:25:40Speaker 02

  Yes, you can marry her.

• 1:25:41Dax Shepard?

  Reasonable man, sensible man.

• 1:25:43Speaker 02

  Sensible man, he's a drummer in a band.

• 1:25:45Dax Shepard?

  I just read this Instagram, I was thinking about this on the toilet today. You see these things on Instagram, and even if you recognize it the moment, this probably isn't scientific, it's stuck in your head forever and you will eventually think it was scientific. So I read this thing recently that they IQ test on musicians and that drummers are the smartest across the board.

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:26:08Dax Shepard?

  From all the musicians. And again, I can't imagine how robust this scientific study was, but it's now in my head and will be for life.

• 1:26:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:17Dax Shepard?

  So he's probably brilliant because he's a drummer.

• 1:26:19Speaker 02

  He's very smart.

• 1:26:20Dax Shepard?

  There you go.

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:22Dax Shepard?

  And one more bit of data, another data point.

• 1:26:24Speaker 01

  Add it to the study.

• 1:26:24Speaker 02

  I love that. He wasn't like some crazy percentile of his class.

• 1:26:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:26:29Dax Shepard?

  There you go, and he's drawn to the drums. They were pointing out something about rhythm, like something about time, there's some mental gymnastics.

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  Well, your brain is doing two things at once for the product, right?

• 1:26:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like the people who can.

• 1:26:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:40Speaker 02

  Which I'm not even doing right, right now.

• 1:26:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I can do that. I think the hardest one is this one.

• 1:26:46Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:47Dax Shepard?

  Concentric circles that go the opposite way.

• 1:26:49Speaker 02

  Did I do it?

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  I can't.

• 1:26:51Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, but then you keep going.

• 1:26:53Dax Shepard?

  You're doing it, you're doing it. That's a great, see Monica's going like this.

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  Shut up! How dare you!

• 1:27:00Dax Shepard?

  But she's about to start her period and you're.

• 1:27:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're in your. And I'm, and I'm ovulating.

• 1:27:04Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, well, you got a little, you got a little skaty wampas there.

• 1:27:07Speaker 02

  It's real.

• 1:27:07Dax Shepard?

  But yeah, that's a hard one.

• 1:27:08Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:27:09Speaker 01

  I can't do it.

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  Do you make all your guests do things?

• 1:27:12Dax Shepard?

  No, you're the first. Again, I've got four tricks left.

• 1:27:15Speaker 02

  I'm feeling, wait, so going back to this whole.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  I'm in a bad mood now.

• 1:27:19Speaker 02

  I would have quit thing. I don't think I'd put as much stake into it. I just signed my first major record deal for this album, and it was off the back of my biggest collaboration project with Phineas, a band. There was just this hype and momentum that was setting up this record for commercial success. And if all of that momentum and the best writing that I've ever done didn't sort of materialize in a commercial way, there is so much to this job that I hate and that

• 1:27:58Speaker 02

  I am unwilling to continue doing for not commercial success.

• 1:28:05Dax Shepard?

  When you walk into the morning radio show in Pittsburgh, the fucking shock chucks are in there.

• 1:28:11Speaker 02

  And the gotcha.

• 1:28:12Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you can see them like trying to figure out who just walked in.

• 1:28:15Speaker 02

  They're trying to get you to call the most famous person in your phone.

• 1:28:18Dax Shepard?

  It's all, it's all terrible.

• 1:28:20Speaker 02

  It's miserable, and I don't like to travel. I'm a homebody, I'm a touring musician who's a homebody. It doesn't always go super well together. I love being on stage, but the best place in the world is the good spot on my couch, and I would just love to be there all the time.

• 1:28:37Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:28:37Speaker 02

  I am very loud and boisterous and goofy, but so much of me loves solitude and quiet. And my life as the musician and artist Ash is loud, and I will happily sacrifice things that I don't like to do for all the wonderful parts of this job. They'll still make you do the shit you don't want to do.

• 1:29:00Dax Shepard?

  Sure.

• 1:29:01Speaker 02

  As a failure. Maybe less, you're not on the top radio station, you're doing some dog shit radio thing. People are still trying to gotcha, they're still throwing you on a bus, maybe it's a Sprinter van now. I followed Lewis Capaldi behind his tour bus in my Saturn Ion.

• 1:29:19Dax Shepard?

  Nice.

• 1:29:19Speaker 02

  For weeks, driving behind him on tour. And it was when he was doing like the Troubadour, it was 250, 500 cap rooms. I've been doing this for so long.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:29:31Speaker 02

  That I'm exhausted and I don't want to keep doing it if I can't have.

• 1:29:38Speaker 01

  The reward.

• 1:29:38Speaker 02

  The reward.

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  I get it.

• 1:29:40Speaker 02

  So that's more what I was, I needed to verbally process that with you because it does sound kind of like you're a dick when you're like, if this didn't work, I'm out of here. And I don't feel that way.

• 1:29:51Dax Shepard?

  It can sound self-protective.

• 1:29:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's more.

• 1:29:56Dax Shepard?

  That's what I would not want.

• 1:29:57Speaker 02

  Which you're already clogging in me.

• 1:29:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, because I have it.

• 1:30:00Speaker 02

  Game recognize game.

• 1:30:02Dax Shepard?

  Dude, my movie didn't open, I quit directing. And then I started this, thank God, this worked out. But yeah, I relate. I'm like, I'm not gonna kill myself for two fucking years and take all these notes from the studio and then have it fucking not open and I'm gone all the time? I'm out.

• 1:30:16Speaker 02

  I don't get to see my family.

• 1:30:18Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, but had this not happened, I also should have just kept directing because I'm proud of the things I've directed. If I have the opportunity to do it, I should do it because I love doing it.

• 1:30:27Speaker 02

  Are you doing more directing these days?

• 1:30:29Dax Shepard?

  I can't now, we do 162 episodes of this year, so there's no way I can do anything other than this job, but it's a good fucking job.

• 1:30:37Speaker 02

  Do you both identify as extroverted? When a conversation is over, are you pretty tired or are you energized by it?

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  I guess it depends on the conversation.

• 1:30:48Speaker 02

  Oh, the person.

• 1:30:49Speaker 01

  It depends on the person.

• 1:30:50Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yesterday we left.

• 1:30:52Speaker 02

  Oh, I was like.

• 1:30:53Dax Shepard?

  We were floating on.

• 1:30:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was like, I can't believe we got to do that.

• 1:30:58Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Like to get to meet a human. Yes.

• 1:31:02Speaker 01

  It's like, oh, I can't believe we got to talk to someone like that.

• 1:31:05Dax Shepard?

  In your lifetime, if you, in your entire life, you sat next to someone like him on an airplane and got to spend two hours.

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  Not because of who he is in the world, because of who he is as a person.

• 1:31:15Speaker 02

  His frequency.

• 1:31:17Speaker 01

  Stunning.

• 1:31:17Dax Shepard?

  Stunning, yeah.

• 1:31:18Speaker 01

  So yeah, sometimes it's like, ah, and then sometimes you're like, I have this nap time, time for bed, and it's nap time.

• 1:31:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's nap time.

• 1:31:27Speaker 01

  But we're also both, I don't know what the word is, but I don't want to say addicted to work, but I love working.

• 1:31:33Speaker 02

  I love to work.

• 1:31:35Dax Shepard?

  A big piece of my identity and I think yours is, I am very industrious.

• 1:31:38Speaker 02

  Hard worker.

• 1:31:38Dax Shepard?

  Yes, I'm a hard worker. That's an admirable quality that I want.

• 1:31:42Speaker 02

  Which has gotten us all into so much trouble.

• 1:31:45Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:31:45Dax Shepard?

  Sure, sure, but compared to the other approach I'd take.

• 1:31:48Speaker 02

  I'd rather be a hard worker.

• 1:31:50Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah. Look, it's not an option, I'm not at peace being lazy. I try it all the time, I convince myself all the time I can do it, and then three weeks into it, I'm like, no, no, we're not here to watch the fucking clouds go by. We've got limited time, we must do everything there is to do on this planet, let's go.

• 1:32:06Speaker 02

  Intense.

• 1:32:07Dax Shepard?

  I'm intense.

• 1:32:08Speaker 02

  You're an intense fella.

• 1:32:10Dax Shepard?

  What song do you think you're gonna play?

• 1:32:11Speaker 01

  I feel like, I mean, Stop the Wedding is the song.

• 1:32:14Dax Shepard?

  That's the anthem of the fall. And I will say.

• 1:32:18Speaker 02

  That's nice.

• 1:32:19Dax Shepard?

  We met at a wedding. And it was awesome.

• 1:32:23Speaker 01

  I bet it was.

• 1:32:24Speaker 02

  So it's on record, I've only played this on piano once.

• 1:32:27Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 1:32:28Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:32:28Dax Shepard?

  And you have a very bad cold.

• 1:32:31Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:32:31Dax Shepard?

  And you got terrible news on the way here.

• 1:32:33Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 1:32:33Dax Shepard?

  And you're diarrhea.

• 1:32:34Speaker 02

  I am fighting a legal battle right now. Let's get into that, just kidding.

• 1:32:39Speaker 01

  Do you really have diarrhea?

• 1:32:42Speaker 02

  I wish.

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:43Speaker 02

  Not today. Okay.

• 1:32:45Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, let's party.

• 1:32:46Speaker 02

  I just send it?

• 1:32:47Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:47Speaker 02

  Okay. Yeah, no, it's nice to do this song, that, the song's kind of like changing my life right now.

• 1:32:52Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:32:53Speaker 02

  So we'll pay it tribute.

• 1:32:56Speaker 02

  I found a secret note, burned after reading this. It's supernatural, the feeling sinking in, this isn't cold feet, these aren't fireworks, the sky is menacing, and that's an iceberg. He thinks he's velvet smooth, I've fallen for the act. I'm in the other room and seeing through the cracks, the voices in my head are screaming, oh, don't. You don't have to waste your night and wear your heart out, the warning signs are flashing

• 1:33:36Speaker 02

  now, stop the wedding, stop the wedding. Even though the table's set, the guests are waiting, you can burn the dress and run away, stop the wedding, stop the wedding. You've been such a good girl, talking like you should, girl. Well, keep avoiding disappointing in your white satin heels, but you know how you really feel. You don't have to waste your night and wear your heart out, the warning signs are flashing

• 1:34:21Speaker 02

  now, stop the wedding, stop the wedding. Even though the table's set, the guests are waiting, you can burn the dress and run away, stop the wedding, stop the wedding.

• 1:34:44Speaker 01

  Stop the wedding, stop the wedding. If your heart is dreading, hands are sweating while the sun is setting. You'll be getting out. Stop the wedding, stop the wedding. If your heart is dreading, hands are sweating while the sun is setting. You'll be getting out. You don't have to waste your life and wear your heart out. The warning signs are flashing now.

• 1:35:26Speaker 01

  Stop the wedding. Stop the wedding. Even though the table's set, the guests are waiting. You can burn the dress and run away. Stop the wedding. Stop the wedding. Only you can stop. Stop the wedding. Only you can stop the wedding.

• 1:36:06Dax Shepard?

  Oh, girl, you let it rip. Oh, you let it rip.

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  Beautiful. What? Sorry, I'm just wailing at you.

• 1:36:16Dax Shepard?

  No, I love it. I got a little welled up. I can, oh, it's so good.

• 1:36:21Speaker 01

  So good. Thanks, guys.

• 1:36:23Dax Shepard?

  I love meeting you at the wedding. And I loved this interview. I'm so glad. And I feel very grateful that you sang for us. That was really beautiful.

• 1:36:32Speaker 01

  It was fantastic.

• 1:36:33Dax Shepard?

  And I want everyone to listen to every single track on the Girl of Your Dreams, starting October.

• 1:36:39Speaker 01

  And go back, listen to all the albums.

• 1:36:41Dax Shepard?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  Thanks, guys.

• 1:36:42Dax Shepard?

  Yes, yes. Take the journey that we're currently on.

• 1:36:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:46Dax Shepard?

  All right, adore you.

• 1:36:47Speaker 01

  I love you guys.

• 1:36:48Dax Shepard?

  He is an arm care expert, but he makes mistakes all the time. Thank God Monica's here. She's gonna let him have the facts. I have a little treat for you.

• 1:37:01Speaker 01

  What is it?

• 1:37:02Dax Shepard?

  I want to start this with an audio clip.

• 1:37:04Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:37:05Dax Shepard?

  This was found on Kristen's computer today.

• 1:37:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:37:08Dax Shepard?

  And I think you're gonna enjoy it.

• 1:37:10Speaker 05

  Mama made me.

• 1:37:11Speaker 06

  But how did you get in mommy's tummy?

• 1:37:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, how'd you get in there?

• 1:37:19Speaker 05

  Mama, I didn't get in there. I got made in there.

• 1:37:23Speaker 01

  Right, but how, how did you get in there?

• 1:37:26Speaker 06

  What do you think you grew from? You know, like a tree has to grow from a seed, right?

• 1:37:30Speaker 05

  A blood cell. No, an egg. Egg. A little tiny blue thing. And that, um, electric coil and a golden egg. It's coming, it connects to the ball in the middle. And then the, the string on the other side.

• 1:37:47Dax Shepard?

  String.

• 1:37:48Speaker 05

  Connects to my tummy.

• 1:37:49Speaker 01

  The umbilical cord.

• 1:37:51Speaker 05

  My umbilical cord. That's you too.

• 1:37:54Dax Shepard?

  My umbilical cord.

• 1:37:57Speaker 06

  Hold on, hold on, hold on. What made you use your umbilical cord?

• 1:38:02Speaker 06

  Is that what you're telling me? Okay. So what part did I have to do with this?

• 1:38:08Speaker 05

  You fed me.

• 1:38:09Dax Shepard?

  You fed me.

• 1:38:10Speaker 05

  You don't have to crush him. He snuggled me.

• 1:38:13Speaker 06

  Oh, no. Yes, I've done all those things, but that's after you were born. How do you, what role do you think I played in you being born? Do you think I was a part of that?

• 1:38:24Speaker 05

  You cut our umbilical cord.

• 1:38:26Speaker 01

  She's right.

• 1:38:27Speaker 06

  I gave you that. You're right.

• 1:38:28Speaker 01

  She's doing great.

• 1:38:29Speaker 06

  Do you think mommy just grew you?

• 1:38:30Speaker 01

  Do you think I thought about it and I was like, I want to be pregnant? And then, poof, I was. How do you think you got in there? How would she know this?

• 1:38:38Speaker 05

  Daddy put me in.

• 1:38:39Dax Shepard?

  Daddy put me in.

• 1:38:41Speaker 06

  So.

• 1:38:42Speaker 05

  Seriously?

• 1:38:43Speaker 06

  Yeah. So mommy's body makes eggs. And daddy's body makes sperm. And my sperm swam up mommy's uterus.

• 1:38:51Speaker 05

  This one made mama's, um, little ball make a baby.

• 1:38:58Speaker 06

  You got so much for egg.

• 1:39:00Speaker 05

  Little.

• 1:39:01Speaker 06

  You're welcome.

• 1:39:02Speaker 05

  Thank you for making me daddy.

• 1:39:04Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:39:06Speaker 06

  That's, thank you.

• 1:39:08Dax Shepard?

  I was fifteen for.

• 1:39:09Speaker 05

  You made daddy make the sweet angel. Wait, wait, um, what made, what made, what made?

• 1:39:18Speaker 01

  An egg and sperm.

• 1:39:20Speaker 06

  Mommy's egg and daddy's sperm.

• 1:39:22Speaker 05

  Your sperm made a great baby.

• 1:39:25Speaker 06

  Oh, who, Lincoln?

• 1:39:26Speaker 05

  No, me.

• 1:39:27Speaker 06

  Oh, you, you like.

• 1:39:31Speaker 05

  Your sperm made two great babies.

• 1:39:33Speaker 01

  Oh, great babies.

• 1:39:35Speaker 05

  You're lucky.

• 1:39:35Speaker 06

  I'll say it made, I think that's the two best babies ever made.

• 1:39:39Speaker 05

  Daddy and me, mama. Say how I do my daddy.

• 1:39:43Speaker 06

  Your fart.

• 1:39:45Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:39:47Speaker 06

  When your fart arrives, I'll greet it appropriately.

• 1:39:53Speaker 06

  Oh, well, I do. Now it's, now I'm aware of it.

• 1:39:56Speaker 01

  Things are really gotten.

• 1:39:59Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:40:00Dax Shepard?

  She said you made a sweet angel and she was referring to herself.

• 1:40:03Speaker 01

  I thought, I thought Lincoln said that about Delta.

• 1:40:05Dax Shepard?

  No, Delta said it about herself.

• 1:40:07Speaker 01

  And then she said a great baby about herself. Oh, she did, you did make a sweet angel.

• 1:40:14Dax Shepard?

  Her little voice. Came from a blue cord.

• 1:40:18Speaker 01

  Listen, she got a lot right and I am impressed.

• 1:40:24Dax Shepard?

  It made me miss her at that age.

• 1:40:26Speaker 01

  Thank you daddy. They all, they all did a thanking you. God.

• 1:40:31Dax Shepard?

  Well, no, they had, they already had a lot of gratitude for mom.

• 1:40:34Speaker 01

  I didn't hear a thank you in there from mom.

• 1:40:36Dax Shepard?

  It preluded the conversation. That's what we were saying. Do you know how this all comes about?

• 1:40:41Speaker 01

  Mama made me.

• 1:40:43Dax Shepard?

  Oh, my God, isn't it?

• 1:40:45Speaker 01

  Her voice.

• 1:40:46Dax Shepard?

  So she's a, um, cartoon character slash, um, kid like on a Disney show, but in real life.

• 1:40:53Speaker 01

  Is it a video or is it just audio?

• 1:40:55Dax Shepard?

  It's a video, but it's like they don't know they're being recorded. I don't know where I'm being recorded either. Kristen just set the phone down, so it's just like a close up of a blanket.

• 1:41:02Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:41:02Dax Shepard?

  But then you hear this funny conversation. Yeah, I wish I could see Delta's face.

• 1:41:06Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:41:07Dax Shepard?

  And Lincoln's sweet face.

• 1:41:09Speaker 01

  The little babies.

• 1:41:11Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, they were five and six in that conversation.

• 1:41:14Speaker 01

  Wait, seriously?

• 1:41:16Dax Shepard?

  You cut the umbilical cord, however she says umbilical cord.

• 1:41:20Speaker 01

  She really, they, I, I, I'm impressed. And you guys were really, um, just expecting them to know about sperm and eggs.

• 1:41:29Dax Shepard?

  Well, I don't think it was the first time they had ever been told. I think this is a repeat until they get it.

• 1:41:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, the ball, the ball inside of mom. So cute.

• 1:41:39Dax Shepard?

  What did I do? You fed me and snuggled me.

• 1:41:43Speaker 01

  Snuggled me. That's so cute.

• 1:41:46Dax Shepard?

  I can't believe what a treasure that was to find this one.

• 1:41:50Speaker 01

  Love that. Okay, someone's gonna need to send me that, obviously.

• 1:41:53Dax Shepard?

  Oh, I'll send it to you ASAP.

• 1:41:55Speaker 01

  Um, speaking of cute little angels, do you want to see something cute?

• 1:41:59Dax Shepard?

  Is it Fizzy doing fizzy things?

• 1:42:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. Hold on, I'll just send it to you.

• 1:42:07Speaker 01

  He's making all kinds of noises.

• 1:42:18Dax Shepard?

  Oh, my God, what a sweet boy.

• 1:42:25Speaker 01

  He's such a nice boy.

• 1:42:28Dax Shepard?

  And this little pizza cutter.

• 1:42:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:30Dax Shepard?

  Pizza slice. Pizza slice. Oh, he's so beautiful.

• 1:42:35Speaker 01

  He's so cute. I really wish he lived a little closer to me. So I could hold him and squish him more.

• 1:42:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:43Speaker 01

  He's just so, so cute. I'm gonna say something complicated.

• 1:42:47Dax Shepard?

  Oh, great.

• 1:42:48Speaker 01

  Complex, complicated, confusing.

• 1:42:51Dax Shepard?

  Sure.

• 1:42:51Speaker 01

  So, yeah, I got this really cute video of Fizzy. And I was just like watching it over and over and was like, oh, this little baby. I love him. Um, and you know, then of course, when you're looking at these videos, you're like, oh, like I want one of those.

• 1:43:06Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:07Speaker 01

  But then, you know, so I did, I did a photo shoot yesterday morning.

• 1:43:11Dax Shepard?

  Sunday photo shoot.

• 1:43:12Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm, I was at my house and we were doing hair and makeup and no one there has kids. Me, the hair and the makeup, no one has kids there.

• 1:43:20Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:21Speaker 01

  And my hair, Barb, I'm gonna shout her out, Barb.

• 1:43:24Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:25Speaker 01

  She's the best. Barb does hair. And I FaceTimed Sally. We're both good friends with Sally and we had to ask her, we FaceTimed her and she was in the middle of playing a game, playing Monopoly with her son.

• 1:43:38Dax Shepard?

  Uh-huh.

• 1:43:39Speaker 01

  And, you know, we were saying hi to her son and then her daughter came in. And of course, they're just like all so sweet and cute. Um, and then she.

• 1:43:48Dax Shepard?

  Weirdly met them.

• 1:43:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. That's right. And she had to go, um, to take one of them to a birthday party at the American Girl store, whatever. We got off. About 30 minutes later, I, I said, I feel bad saying this, but I, I have to. I'm so glad I'm not playing Monopoly with a kid right now and having to drive to the American Girl store. Like, I really had like a real, like, I'm really glad that's not my day.

• 1:44:16Dax Shepard?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:44:17Speaker 01

  And it's, it was off the heels of just seeing this little tiny baby that I was like, oh, no.

• 1:44:23Dax Shepard?

  Baby fever.

• 1:44:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:25Dax Shepard?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:25Speaker 01

  And it was very confusing.

• 1:44:28Dax Shepard?

  It is confusing. I should leave it with the latter conclusion.

• 1:44:32Speaker 01

  I don't know what.

• 1:44:33Dax Shepard?

  Because I will say.

• 1:44:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:35Dax Shepard?

  We went, when Kristen was probably eight months pregnant, we went out to eat with Ryan and Amy and Crosby and Millie. They were both born.

• 1:44:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:45Dax Shepard?

  And it was an untenable dinner. It couldn't be had. And it was at Big Boys where you're invited to be quite rowdy. But even, it was too much for even the back room at Big Boys.

• 1:44:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:56Dax Shepard?

  And I remember leaving there in a bit of a panic because Kristen's about to give birth.

• 1:45:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:01Dax Shepard?

  And we're gonna be in the same situation where it's like, we can't even get through a meal at Big Boys. And low and behold, when it's your kid.

• 1:45:09Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:45:10Dax Shepard?

  It's something magic happens where it's like, yeah, I don't want to be playing Monopoly with someone else's kid. Like, that doesn't sound very appealing to me at all.

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  It's, yeah, it's deeper than that. It's deeper than like, I don't want to be playing with the kid. It was just like, like, it had nothing to do with her children. They're great, right?

• 1:45:29Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:45:30Speaker 01

  It, it was just like, I'm very glad that my day is mine.

• 1:45:34Dax Shepard?

  Yes, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:45:36Speaker 01

  And it, it.

• 1:45:38Dax Shepard?

  That makes a ton of sense.

• 1:45:39Speaker 01

  It's strange. And then that night, or like at five, I went to a new place, shout out.

• 1:45:45Dax Shepard?

  Uh oh, buckle up for a new shout out.

• 1:45:47Speaker 01

  Hotel Lucille. It's in Silver Lake. It's a new hotel. And they have a new restaurant in there. Very cute. Um, so Anna and I went and there was, I won't say who, but, um, an actor there. And we were kind, we were kind of confused because there was this actor, there was another man, and then there was a lady, and there, and there was a baby.

• 1:46:11Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:46:12Speaker 01

  And we couldn't figure out whose baby.

• 1:46:14Dax Shepard?

  The actor's baby or the other?

• 1:46:16Speaker 01

  And the other man was holding the baby really like it was his. And then, but also the actor was also kind of holding the baby like this. So I was like, oh, maybe.

• 1:46:25Dax Shepard?

  He was practicing for a role.

• 1:46:26Speaker 01

  No, I was like, maybe these are two dads.

• 1:46:28Dax Shepard?

  Okay, sure.

• 1:46:29Speaker 01

  And then I was like, who's that lady? You know, so there was a lot of questions. But the baby was so cute.

• 1:46:35Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:46:35Speaker 01

  And the, maybe one of the dads or uncles or friends or something was standing up with the baby and like, holding it.

• 1:46:42Dax Shepard?

  Bouncy, bouncy.

• 1:46:43Speaker 01

  The whole restaurant was like, drawn to this child and like staring. And it was so, so, so cute. And it was just a confusing day.

• 1:46:53Dax Shepard?

  Sure, yeah, yeah. But, um, compounded by flies.

• 1:46:57Speaker 01

  Well, now, okay.

• 1:47:00Dax Shepard?

  Uh oh.

• 1:47:01Speaker 01

  I have really, well, yes, my flies are here officially, thank God.

• 1:47:05Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:47:05Speaker 01

  Because there was some fake outs on Friday. There was blood.

• 1:47:09Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:47:10Speaker 01

  So I was like, oh, great, we're starting.

• 1:47:12Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:12Speaker 01

  And then nothing on Saturday or Sunday.

• 1:47:16Dax Shepard?

  Oh my goodness.

• 1:47:16Speaker 01

  And then I was like, ugh. Um, but then today, it's a rifle force.

• 1:47:21Dax Shepard?

  Full flow.

• 1:47:22Speaker 01

  Yes. Um, but I, I don't know what's going on with my Instagram, Adam O'Seary. If you are listening, please help me.

• 1:47:30Dax Shepard?

  What's going on?

• 1:47:32Speaker 01

  On my DMs, so I only have it set to I see primary.

• 1:47:36Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:36Speaker 01

  So I only see who I follow.

• 1:47:38Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:39Speaker 01

  DMs, right? Something's glitching and people's DMs are coming in, about like five of them, are coming in for people I do not follow.

• 1:47:47Dax Shepard?

  Mm-hmm. And you see the top where it goes primary or general? You're sure you're not in general?

• 1:47:51Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:47:52Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, but I didn't mean to insult you, but you never know.

• 1:47:54Speaker 07

  Mine's doing that too.

• 1:47:56Speaker 01

  What's going on?

• 1:47:57Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wow. There's been a breach of security.

• 1:48:00Speaker 01

  Did you want to ask Rob if he's checked primary and general?

• 1:48:03Dax Shepard?

  Well, you feel insulted by that. I was trying to work through the things that have plagued me in the past.

• 1:48:08Speaker 01

  But I, but the, I told you that I follow primaries, so I've clearly looked at that.

• 1:48:13Dax Shepard?

  Well, that did make me know that you know the difference.

• 1:48:15Speaker 01

  Okay, good, okay. Well, yeah.

• 1:48:17Dax Shepard?

  Sorry I asked.

• 1:48:18Speaker 01

  I check it a lot. And I keep checking it because I'm like, what is happening? I've refreshed it. I don't know what's going on.

• 1:48:24Dax Shepard?

  Have you read any though? Is the universe selecting?

• 1:48:26Speaker 01

  That's what I'm about to say.

• 1:48:27Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:48:27Speaker 01

  So I don't want to, right? I don't, and then I'm also then telling Instagram, give me more of these or something. So I haven't been looking at them.

• 1:48:36Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:48:36Speaker 01

  But then today, I got one and I, you know, you can see the first couple of words.

• 1:48:42Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh, sure.

• 1:48:42Speaker 01

  So it said, itchy ear canals.

• 1:48:47Dax Shepard?

  Okay, and now you're like, this could be a great tip.

• 1:48:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:48:50Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:51Speaker 01

  So I opened it and it said, itchy ear canals are a symptom of perimenopause.

• 1:48:57Dax Shepard?

  What if, well, first of all, that person also commented. I read that comment.

• 1:49:01Speaker 01

  Oh, great. Well, they all.

• 1:49:02Dax Shepard?

  They're hitting it from all angles, which is great. Unless it's two different people.

• 1:49:05Speaker 01

  I don't know. I just was like, fuck. Okay, so I am in it.

• 1:49:11Dax Shepard?

  But what's tricky is I have a really itchy ear condition, but mine's from psoriatic arthritis, right? So I have to put this, it's not a steroidal, but it acts like a steroidal does. I have to put it around a Q-tip and then do the inside of my ears because I'll be plagued with crazy itchiness from psoriasis is in my ears.

• 1:49:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I don't have that.

• 1:49:31Dax Shepard?

  You don't have psoriasis. I'm only saying.

• 1:49:33Speaker 01

  It could be something else, is what you're saying. Which it could, it could be, it just.

• 1:49:39Dax Shepard?

  Feels right.

• 1:49:39Speaker 01

  Now that they said that, and I am 39 years old.

• 1:49:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:43Speaker 01

  Like.

• 1:49:44Dax Shepard?

  And it hits Indians earlier, we found out.

• 1:49:46Speaker 01

  That Mary Claire.

• 1:49:47Dax Shepard?

  Because I think, I think you're still young for it, but.

• 1:49:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I could, I mean, for, I think for Americans, I'd be a bit young generally, but since she said that, and my, my mom hit menopause when she was 50. And it's a 10 year.

• 1:50:01Dax Shepard?

  11 years.

• 1:50:02Speaker 01

  It's, yeah, but this is a 10 year thing.

• 1:50:04Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:50:05Speaker 01

  So that is annoying if that's true, that that's why I have it.

• 1:50:10Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so you're gonna go get your hormone levels checked?

• 1:50:12Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 1:50:13Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, why not?

• 1:50:14Speaker 01

  I think it's making me feel like I need to do that. But then, then it did feel a little like, oh, God, this timeline, everything's happening. Scary.

• 1:50:28Dax Shepard?

  The timeline of menopause?

• 1:50:30Speaker 01

  Menopause, babies, my eggs dying off.

• 1:50:33Dax Shepard?

  Aging.

• 1:50:34Speaker 01

  Aging, but specifically tied to children.

• 1:50:36Dax Shepard?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:50:37Speaker 01

  And coming off of these babies, but then these kids playing Monopoly. It was just a lot.

• 1:50:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:44Speaker 01

  So I don't really know where I land, but that's just what I've been thinking about.

• 1:50:48Dax Shepard?

  Sure, sure, sure, sure.

• 1:50:49Speaker 01

  And then, um, yeah, I do think I want to get some sort of ointment.

• 1:50:53Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you should get to, you should put an anti-itch in there.

• 1:50:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's so itchy.

• 1:50:58Dax Shepard?

  I just read a post, again, these posts present to science, and they all say they have a study behind them, but I don't, I don't chase down the study.

• 1:51:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:06Dax Shepard?

  And then it just gets in your head as fact. But the one I read, the post was about the power of the inside of a banana peel. That it is a natural histamine reducer. So you can put it on, it's saying you can put it on like mosquito bites and it'll get rid of like 90% of the

• 1:51:20Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:51:21Dax Shepard?

  Histamine reaction. And it even said that it's effective on warts of this really high percentage.

• 1:51:26Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 1:51:28Dax Shepard?

  Because maybe cram a banana peel in your ear and see what happens.

• 1:51:31Speaker 01

  I, well, that's the other thing. As we've talked about, there's so many mosquitoes. Like, what if I just have a couple mosquito bites in there? I mean, circling back to the original, there's a bug in my ear.

• 1:51:40Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:51:41Speaker 01

  Um, wow. Okay, well, I'll try.

• 1:51:44Dax Shepard?

  Well, how did you feel? I hung out with you on Friday night and you're in a real chipper mood.

• 1:51:52Speaker 01

  I'm allowed to be in a little bit of a funk.

• 1:51:55Dax Shepard?

  I was just saying, I hung out with you Friday and you're in a super chipper mood. That was a fun night.

• 1:52:01Speaker 01

  Don't gaslight me.

• 1:52:02Dax Shepard?

  I'm not. What do you think I'm saying?

• 1:52:04Speaker 01

  I don't know what you're saying.

• 1:52:05Dax Shepard?

  I'm saying we had fun Friday night. You were in a very giggly mood. I thought I.

• 1:52:09Speaker 01

  You just want to talk about Friday night?

• 1:52:10Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:52:11Speaker 01

  Oh, I see, okay. Yeah, it was fun.

• 1:52:14Speaker 01

  I thought you were saying, things have changed since Friday, which I do think you were saying.

• 1:52:19Dax Shepard?

  I wasn't.

• 1:52:20Speaker 01

  Okay, okay, I believe you.

• 1:52:21Dax Shepard?

  No, I'm just trying to get us to the next piece of content, which I feel like is watching that movie. And it was kind of funny that I thought, the surround system was so good, that I thought you were making weird screaming noises.

• 1:52:30Speaker 01

  Who you were watching?

• 1:52:31Dax Shepard?

  Violent Night Part Two.

• 1:52:32Speaker 01

  Yes, Kristen's movie coming out.

• 1:52:34Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:52:35Speaker 01

  We got a sneak peek.

• 1:52:36Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:36Speaker 01

  We're watching in your movie theater. And, and the sound.

• 1:52:40Dax Shepard?

  You were on the very far right of the room and I was to the left.

• 1:52:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:45Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, and you're right next to a surround speaker.

• 1:52:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:52:48Dax Shepard?

  And I just hear like.

• 1:52:50Speaker 01

  It was really loud.

• 1:52:52Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. And I was like, wow, Monica's going for it. Like, she's feeling so tantrum-y or something. Like, she can't, she's feeling unbridled. And it was really fun to think you were over there just making a ton of noises, like baby noises.

• 1:53:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was like some baby laughter or something that happened.

• 1:53:10Dax Shepard?

  Weird noise.

• 1:53:10Speaker 01

  Anyway, it wasn't me. It was the movie.

• 1:53:12Dax Shepard?

  But Lincoln also thought it was you, which was great, right? Because she was between you and I. And she too thought you were just starting to pop off.

• 1:53:19Speaker 01

  I do have a question about that. So I don't, surround, sound, surround sound.

• 1:53:26Speaker 01

  Is a little, I think it's weird for me.

• 1:53:29Dax Shepard?

  Tell me more.

• 1:53:30Speaker 01

  I think my brain doesn't like it. Yeah. Because also at the beginning of the movie, I couldn't understand anything.

• 1:53:40Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:53:40Speaker 01

  And I didn't know if it was, you know, the bugs in my ear. Now I know perimenopause.

• 1:53:46Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:47Speaker 01

  But or was like sound mixing. I didn't know what was going on, right? So I started.

• 1:53:51Dax Shepard?

  We don't even know if we're watching a final mix. The movie doesn't come out for months.

• 1:53:54Speaker 01

  That's what I kind of wanted to ask, but then I felt scared to ask in case.

• 1:53:58Dax Shepard?

  It was implying the quality wasn't good?

• 1:54:00Speaker 01

  Correct. So then I go, am I the only, and then I stop, right? Because I felt, yeah. And then, and then Lincoln looked over and I was like, I feel, I can't understand what they're saying.

• 1:54:13Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:54:14Speaker 01

  And she was like, oh, he said, and she just said exactly, she didn't have any problems.

• 1:54:20Dax Shepard?

  Well, right. They have those young ears and she can hear lyrics. Like she's also just good at.

• 1:54:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:54:25Dax Shepard?

  T R C now.

• 1:54:26Speaker 01

  And she watches a lot in that zone.

• 1:54:29Dax Shepard?

  Sure.

• 1:54:30Speaker 01

  So I, then I was like, oh no, it is me. This is bad.

• 1:54:34Dax Shepard?

  Several things. A common complaint, I think everyone agrees, they do not mix the dialogue loud enough. The dialogue's coming out of the center channel because you're looking at the person. So the, the sound would be emanating.

• 1:54:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:46Dax Shepard?

  From in front of you, unless someone behind you is talking, that's when it would come through the surround.

• 1:54:52Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:54:53Dax Shepard?

  Right. As whatever point of view the lens is.

• 1:54:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:54:56Dax Shepard?

  If a helicopter is approaching from behind the characters, you're going to hear it there. The goal is to give you a sense of the 360 degrees sound. But you are, you happen to be seated directly next to the surround speaker.

• 1:55:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:08Dax Shepard?

  So you're going to be hearing it louder than all of us.

• 1:55:10Speaker 01

  Interesting. Yeah.

• 1:55:11Dax Shepard?

  Just because you're closest to it.

• 1:55:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:55:14Dax Shepard?

  So probably for you, the mix was A, not good.

• 1:55:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:17Dax Shepard?

  Then B, they just in general do not mix dialogue high enough. I can't tell. I was riding that vibe. Did you see me riding the volume like a rented mule? I was every time they were talking, I had to go up. And then every time an action sequence started, I had to go down because it'd be overwhelmed. And that I feel like is so standard in movies.

• 1:55:33Speaker 01

  Huh. Yeah. I don't notice it in the movie theater. I don't think, but maybe because it's such, I don't know.

• 1:55:39Dax Shepard?

  They go loud as fuck in the movie theater too, just in general.

• 1:55:42Speaker 01

  And then I, but I checked with Anna. She also couldn't understand anything and she thought maybe it was just because of her accent.

• 1:55:48Dax Shepard?

  Oh, and also the, it was often the little boy talking. I couldn't, we couldn't, I couldn't hear what he was saying.

• 1:55:53Speaker 01

  Sequence in the car. It was, I was like, I don't know anything that just happened. So I got nervous. But anyway, I didn't, it wasn't me participating, laughing, screaming, whatever that, it was just the movie itself.

• 1:56:06Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, but it was so fun to think about it. And then we had a really good laugh at the notion of you.

• 1:56:12Speaker 01

  It would have been great.

• 1:56:13Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Next time just start doing that, maybe.

• 1:56:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:56:16Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:56:18Dax Shepard?

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• 1:58:04Speaker 01

  I have a couple sim moments I want to talk about.

• 1:58:06Dax Shepard?

  Oh, great.

• 1:58:06Speaker 01

  That are huge. One has to do with you.

• 1:58:09Dax Shepard?

  Oh, good.

• 1:58:09Speaker 01

  So for a couple weeks or a month or something, you've brought up a couple of times that there is a place in Nashville called Lebanon.

• 1:58:20Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:58:21Speaker 01

  Spelled Lebanon.

• 1:58:22Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:58:22Speaker 01

  And you brought this up.

• 1:58:23Dax Shepard?

  Next town over for me.

• 1:58:24Speaker 01

  You've brought this up a couple of times. It's like, it's funny because it's spelled Lebanon, but they pronounce it Lebanon.

• 1:58:29Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:29Speaker 01

  Great. I had to send unfortunately some sympathy flowers.

• 1:58:36Speaker 01

  And to my friend's mother.

• 1:58:38Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:58:38Speaker 01

  And she's, they live in Tennessee.

• 1:58:40Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:58:41Speaker 01

  Okay. And I couldn't get them there and it was like a whole thing. And so I had to ask my friend for help. And she was like, well, you can always send it to, okay, my, my friend's grandfather passed away.

• 1:58:57Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:58:57Speaker 01

  So she was like, you can always send it to his house.

• 1:59:00Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:59:01Speaker 01

  Uh, my mom is going to be there next week.

• 1:59:02Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:59:03Speaker 01

  Um, and I was like, okay, I'll do that. And she sent the address and it was.

• 1:59:08Dax Shepard?

  Lebanon?

• 1:59:09Speaker 01

  Lebanon Road.

• 1:59:11Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:59:12Speaker 01

  And in Old Hickory, Mount Juliet.

• 1:59:16Dax Shepard?

  Oh, really? Wow. So a neighbor.

• 1:59:21Speaker 01

  I know. And I, I feel like she once told me that, like, that's where Papa's from, but I didn't, or like, that's where Papa lives. And I didn't really put it together. But when I was seeing it all written out, it was so weird. It was like, whoa, yeah, really? It's the same place.

• 1:59:36Dax Shepard?

  And Rob's friend Hanford also lives in, in, in Mount Juliet. I almost said Lebanon. But yeah, I believe Mount Juliet Road turns into Lebanon Road. Wow.

• 1:59:45Speaker 01

  I know. Isn't that so crazy?

• 1:59:47Dax Shepard?

  I moved to the secretly the hippest place in Nashville. Didn't even know where Papa lives.

• 1:59:54Speaker 01

  Isn't that so strange? Like Papa, who I've known since I was 13, 14. Isn't that weird though? It's like Papa came there and then you came there. Weird. And I'm in the middle.

• 2:00:11Dax Shepard?

  So that was sim number one.

• 2:00:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was sim. Okay. Another sim. Crazy.

• 2:00:16Dax Shepard?

  Uh oh.

• 2:00:17Speaker 01

  I was at Cara.

• 2:00:19Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:19Speaker 01

  And I randomly got like a craving slash, just I thought of Chewy granola bars. Do you remember Chewy? Like the brand? Yes.

• 2:00:32Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, they're still around.

• 2:00:34Speaker 01

  Okay. Well, so I haven't thought about Chewy granola bars 45 years.

• 2:00:39Dax Shepard?

  Okay. Since you were hanging with Papa.

• 2:00:41Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 2:00:41Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:42Speaker 01

  A long, long, long time. I just don't think about them. I never see them at the grocery. I, I don't know. And for some reason I thought to just ask Anth, I just texted Anth and I said, do you remember Chewy granola bars?

• 2:00:55Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:55Speaker 01

  And he said, I just ate one five minutes ago.

• 2:00:58Dax Shepard?

  Really? Well, he has children.

• 2:01:00Speaker 01

  But just, but not even the fact that I thought it and he just ate it and that I thought to text him of all, like just kind of randomly.

• 2:01:09Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:11Speaker 01

  What?

• 2:01:11Dax Shepard?

  Did he eat the chocolate chip one?

• 2:01:13Speaker 01

  I didn't ask for, I bet that was the kind I liked.

• 2:01:16Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I think everyone preferred those.

• 2:01:18Speaker 01

  I ju, what? And he wasn't as, he was as freaked out as me.

• 2:01:23Dax Shepard?

  Because they've never left his, his purview, probably.

• 2:01:27Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 2:01:27Dax Shepard?

  So for years, it had been gone for 40 years or whatever.

• 2:01:30Speaker 01

  I think my brain.

• 2:01:31Dax Shepard?

  You're not even 40 years old, so not 40 years.

• 2:01:33Speaker 01

  I think my brain must have known he, like.

• 2:01:39Dax Shepard?

  That he had just enjoyed one. He sent out a little pulse in the universe that said he's satisfied in the way that only Chewies can satisfy him. It was a very fingerprinty signature.

• 2:01:51Speaker 01

  But we lived together for a long time. I don't remember.

• 2:01:55Dax Shepard?

  He wasn't gorging himself on Chewies.

• 2:01:57Speaker 01

  So.

• 2:01:57Dax Shepard?

  I think it's because he has kids.

• 2:01:59Speaker 01

  Well, for sure. It makes sense why he has them at his house, but it makes no sense that I would have randomly thought of them. And then he had just eaten one.

• 2:02:06Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:07Speaker 01

  It's so weird.

• 2:02:08Dax Shepard?

  It's spooky. Just in time for Halloween.

• 2:02:10Speaker 01

  That's what he said. He made it about Halloween and spookiness. And I was like, no, this is about powers.

• 2:02:15Dax Shepard?

  Okay, this is standalone. All right.

• 2:02:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:18Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:02:21Speaker 01

  So that was crazy.

• 2:02:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, well, who are you gonna be for Halloween?

• 2:02:25Speaker 01

  Who should I be? A Chewy granola boy?

• 2:02:27Dax Shepard?

  Sure, chocolate chip?

• 2:02:29Speaker 06

  Chewy Baca.

• 2:02:30Speaker 01

  Oh, that's fun. But I don't think that's a cute outfit for me.

• 2:02:35Dax Shepard?

  Probably too hot, given the trajectory we're on currently.

• 2:02:38Speaker 01

  That's true. Although next week, it's supposed to be in the seventies.

• 2:02:40Dax Shepard?

  Oh, well, it's been a hundred or more for the last four days straight.

• 2:02:46Speaker 01

  It's been stifling.

• 2:02:47Dax Shepard?

  It's been violent. It's been aggressive. It's been hostile.

• 2:02:50Speaker 01

  Ding ding ding.

• 2:02:51Dax Shepard?

  You can't leave the house.

• 2:02:52Speaker 01

  I know, but I have.

• 2:02:54Dax Shepard?

  You've been leaving the house.

• 2:02:54Speaker 01

  And then I do get headaches.

• 2:02:56Dax Shepard?

  Back to your kids playing Monopoly.

• 2:02:58Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 2:02:58Dax Shepard?

  The thing I've had to recent, I've successfully reframed is there's a whole lot of driving your kids all over the place.

• 2:03:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:05Dax Shepard?

  Which is never, I'm never in the mood to like get up and go drive across town for any reason.

• 2:03:10Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 2:03:11Dax Shepard?

  But I've really successfully reframed it, where it's like, A, I love driving.

• 2:03:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:16Dax Shepard?

  It's an opportunity for me to drive these cars I collect that otherwise I wouldn't drive.

• 2:03:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:20Dax Shepard?

  And then B, it's, I'm, I'm in with them, obviously. It's just the two of us going somewhere. So I've been driving a lot lately and I've actually been enjoying it lately.

• 2:03:29Speaker 01

  That's nice.

• 2:03:30Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, and um, one operation was to pick uh, Delta and her friend up at Target.

• 2:03:36Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:03:37Dax Shepard?

  You know, Tar, what I love is Target is a comp for my mall experience.

• 2:03:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:03:41Dax Shepard?

  Like, she wants to be dropped off at, at Target.

• 2:03:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:45Dax Shepard?

  Which we did.

• 2:03:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:03:46Dax Shepard?

  And so I had to pick her up at five ten in the parking lot, and I'm like, I'm a half hour early. I wanted to buy fake cheese. And I'm like, I'll just go up into Target and sniff around.

• 2:03:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:03:57Dax Shepard?

  Ended up buying some Starbucks coffee pods that are butterscotch flavor, really nice.

• 2:04:02Speaker 01

  Oh, yum.

• 2:04:02Dax Shepard?

  And then um, all this fake cheese.

• 2:04:04Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:04:05Dax Shepard?

  Trying to help Delta with her

• 2:04:07Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:04:07Dax Shepard?

  goal of not eating dairy, because she has same congestion I do.

• 2:04:10Speaker 01

  So what's

• 2:04:11Dax Shepard?

  She has quit eating dairy. It's very impressive to see an eleven year old self-regulate. And we've, we, we do a daily gratitude, like, less not today, less coffee, yeah, okay, let's, we gotta, you always gotta focus on what the winds are when you quit shit, because you just forget that there's any, anyways.

• 2:04:27Speaker 01

  Well, if you get vegan cheese, or like, what's fake cheese?

• 2:04:31Dax Shepard?

  I think it's all oil is what they make it out of ultimately, but it tastes good and it melts. Did you ever have the um, badass breakfast sandwiches we used to get all the time?

• 2:04:38Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:04:39Dax Shepard?

  Those were, everything on that was fake. The meat was fake, the cheese was fake.

• 2:04:42Speaker 01

  I forgot about that.

• 2:04:43Dax Shepard?

  Remember how delicious they were?

• 2:04:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:45Dax Shepard?

  That's what got me amenable to

• 2:04:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:48Dax Shepard?

  fake cheese. At any rate.

• 2:04:50Speaker 01

  Okay, you went there.

• 2:04:50Dax Shepard?

  I keep thinking I'm gonna bounce, you know, I'm gonna um, bump into them in, in one of the aisles, but I'm not. So I've gone through the whole store. And then I got my shit and I'm buying and I'm like, huh, I wonder where they are. And then I look across and there's a little cafe section behind the Starbucks inside Target. And I just see the two of them at a table.

• 2:05:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:08Dax Shepard?

  They're like playing with whatever slime they bought.

• 2:05:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:10Dax Shepard?

  And they're just, they're two girls hanging at the mall.

• 2:05:13Speaker 01

  Oh, I love it.

• 2:05:14Dax Shepard?

  And I got spotted by her friend.

• 2:05:17Speaker 01

  Sure. Delta, your dad's here.

• 2:05:19Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. And I was like, oh shit, I'm cramping her style. This is fine. She, she wasn't bothered. I'm just telling you that I saw my little girl from afar.

• 2:05:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:27Dax Shepard?

  With her girlfriend at a little table, having like a girl's day.

• 2:05:30Speaker 01

  So cute.

• 2:05:31Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 2:05:31Speaker 01

  Well, I thought, it's funny, because on Friday, the Friday we just spoke of.

• 2:05:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:36Speaker 01

  When um, I came over to watch the movie, we all had dinner and then we waited a minute because you had to go pick up Lincoln.

• 2:05:44Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:44Speaker 01

  Um, from a hang at a restaurant.

• 2:05:48Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 2:05:49Speaker 01

  And you left and I thought, I was like, God, I like had this visual of you driving up and picking up your daughter from a hang and it was so, it was like, it's so cute and it's so I like know the feeling so well, my dad dropping me off and picking me up at the, yeah, the mall or the movies or

• 2:06:11Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:12Speaker 01

  any of these things and like, you're him, like, you're a dad that picks up their kids from hangs. It's so strange.

• 2:06:21Dax Shepard?

  And I'm trying to really enjoy it and I'm successfully, I've just currently started really, really enjoying it.

• 2:06:25Speaker 01

  That's very fun.

• 2:06:26Dax Shepard?

  I floated the whole ride home.

• 2:06:28Speaker 01

  But yeah, there are just moments, you know, when, to get existential, but you know, like you can really you know people in relation to you.

• 2:06:39Dax Shepard?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:06:39Speaker 01

  And you can of course be empathetic and sympathetic and understand that there are other, they're themselves and their place in the world with other people.

• 2:06:48Dax Shepard?

  You in a sense.

• 2:06:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's just very, like, then there are just certain moments that click, they're, they're fleeting, right? But like, that was a moment where I was like, yeah, he's just, he's just someone's dad.

• 2:07:00Dax Shepard?

  That's right.

• 2:07:01Speaker 01

  Like, it's so, you're just like

• 2:07:02Dax Shepard?

  I'm a shoke.

• 2:07:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're just someone's dad.

• 2:07:06Dax Shepard?

  I'm her a shoke. Yeah.

• 2:07:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's so wild.

• 2:07:09Dax Shepard?

  I know, it's wild for me. I love it. You know, you always in life, you a little bit feel like you're playing a character?

• 2:07:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:17Dax Shepard?

  And I do, I'm like, oh, I'm playing the character of a dad, you know, well, I'm just aware of exactly what you're saying, like, oh, I'm a middle aged man picking up my teenage daughter.

• 2:07:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:27Dax Shepard?

  That feels like a character I once knew about.

• 2:07:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:07:31Dax Shepard?

  But now I'm that character.

• 2:07:32Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:07:32Dax Shepard?

  And so you're half, you have this awareness of, exactly what you're saying, like, I know what I look like. I look like a middle aged man picking up his daughter.

• 2:07:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:41Dax Shepard?

  Or daughters.

• 2:07:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:43Dax Shepard?

  And I don't know, I'm just aware of what that looks like. I have some, some level of self-awareness of it. And then just obviously the intrinsic feeling of it all, but those two things are chatting.

• 2:07:53Speaker 01

  I know, it's just so, that's like Callie's mom and Callie's dad. Callie's mom and Callie's dad are, are still Callie's mom and Callie's dad to me forever, even though I'm thirty nine years old. And I'm an adult enough to like do adult things with them, but like, will never be adults together.

• 2:08:12Dax Shepard?

  Their primary identity will always be the parent of your friend.

• 2:08:15Speaker 01

  Yes, and like, that's you. You're Lincoln and Delta's dad to like a lot of people.

• 2:08:21Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, and I think some parents get frustrated that their kids can't see them as people.

• 2:08:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:08:27Dax Shepard?

  You know, it's, it's my great regret, right, that I couldn't have better seen my dad as just a person and not, not my dad.

• 2:08:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:35Dax Shepard?

  But I would say it should be embraced, because it's a very unique

• 2:08:39Speaker 01

  It is, like, I don't think you're supposed to.

• 2:08:41Dax Shepard?

  No, I think you're supposed to embrace it and you're supposed to get yourself to enjoy, oh yeah, they look at me just like I looked at my parents.

• 2:08:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:50Dax Shepard?

  And that's how it is.

• 2:08:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:51Dax Shepard?

  And there's something about it that

• 2:08:53Speaker 01

  Like, that shouldn't be messed with, right?

• 2:08:56Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, like, it's, it's not an accident that this is how it works.

• 2:08:59Speaker 01

  It's very strange.

• 2:09:00Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, but you wanna go like, you realize you're driving me insane, right? I'm a normal person with a normal threshold of

• 2:09:08Speaker 01

  But who can care?

• 2:09:09Dax Shepard?

  You don't give a fuck if it's your parents, yeah.

• 2:09:12Speaker 01

  Just don't care at all. Um, okay, I have to out myself.

• 2:09:18Dax Shepard?

  Uh oh.

• 2:09:18Speaker 01

  Cause when we did Facts for Ash and I was reading Phineas's response, and then I read my, I read our exchange.

• 2:09:29Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 2:09:29Speaker 01

  And I used the phrase waterproof evidence.

• 2:09:33Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:34Speaker 01

  And then you said, is that a phrase? But I just moved on, okay?

• 2:09:37Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah. And I let it go.

• 2:09:39Speaker 01

  Thank you, thank God.

• 2:09:40Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:41Speaker 01

  Um, and then I, after I was like, oh yeah, that isn't right. It's watertight. So then I voice memo'd you that.

• 2:09:50Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 2:09:52Speaker 01

  And then you said, that's also wrong.

• 2:09:56Dax Shepard?

  Well, I just said the, the popular, the colloquial term is airtight.

• 2:10:00Speaker 01

  Which like, I think watertight makes sense though, because if you have a Tupperware and it's filled with water and you turn it upside down and it doesn't leak out that water, it's watertight.

• 2:10:14Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, and that's, then that's great.

• 2:10:16Speaker 01

  And I prefer that over some air leaking out.

• 2:10:19Dax Shepard?

  Okay, but I think if it's airtight, it'll be watertight.

• 2:10:23Speaker 01

  I just don't know.

• 2:10:23Dax Shepard?

  Cause air is smaller than water, so if a water, if air can't get out, then certainly water can't.

• 2:10:28Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:10:29Dax Shepard?

  It's like, you know, you're going to the, the nth degree.

• 2:10:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:10:34Dax Shepard?

  You're, you're gonna stick with watertight. That's fine.

• 2:10:37Speaker 01

  I think I like it.

• 2:10:38Dax Shepard?

  And you should. You're just not gonna get that nostalgic knee jerk

• 2:10:42Speaker 01

  I see.

• 2:10:43Dax Shepard?

  nod of

• 2:10:43Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:10:44Dax Shepard?

  familiarity that you're looking for.

• 2:10:46Speaker 01

  Well, waterproof

• 2:10:47Dax Shepard?

  Like, when you go like, no, it's, this case is waterproof, people are gonna be like, hmm, I wonder if she means, like, does that mean the same thing as airtight? Or does it mean something completely different?

• 2:10:57Speaker 01

  Waterproof was wrong.

• 2:10:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:00Speaker 01

  But watertight

• 2:11:02Dax Shepard?

  But even watertight, I think if you say it, people will have to, they're not gonna challenge you on it, like I didn't.

• 2:11:08Speaker 01

  They shouldn't.

• 2:11:09Dax Shepard?

  And then they're gonna go, well, I assume about sixty percent that means the same thing as airtight. And also they're gonna have some anxiety that watertight means a completely different thing.

• 2:11:20Speaker 01

  Hopefully they just think it through and it causes them to like really think a little.

• 2:11:24Dax Shepard?

  And lose sight of what even you guys were talking about.

• 2:11:27Speaker 01

  They think about the Tupperware filled with water turning upside down. Oh yeah, I mean, I guess that makes sense. There's no water leaking out.

• 2:11:34Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:34Speaker 01

  And the water is the evidence.

• 2:11:36Dax Shepard?

  And it's also just interesting, because we're, mostly they're pitching things on being water resistant or waterproof, keeping water out, but you want a new you want a new tradition where we talk about keeping water in.

• 2:11:49Speaker 01

  When we're talking about evidence leaking. When we're talking about leaking.

• 2:11:52Dax Shepard?

  Cause again, a ship, you wanna keep water out.

• 2:11:55Speaker 01

  I think it's because, yeah, we're talking about leaking and when I think about leaking, I don't think about air. I think about water.

• 2:12:02Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 2:12:04Speaker 01

  Nailed it. I have a question for you, but I don't want to embarrass you.

• 2:12:09Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:12:11Dax Shepard?

  Was it about my face?

• 2:12:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:12:12Dax Shepard?

  Oh, great, great, great, great. I was hoping it would come up on the, um, the interview we did.

• 2:12:17Speaker 01

  No, I was never gonna bring that up on the interview.

• 2:12:19Dax Shepard?

  Oh, I would have been happy to, because I have a whole thing, because we went to an event last night. We went to a charity event.

• 2:12:24Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:12:24Dax Shepard?

  And I'm like, oh, there's gonna be a red carpet. I have, my whole face is scarred up. And then I was like, what will I tell?

• 2:12:30Speaker 01

  There was a carpet?

• 2:12:31Dax Shepard?

  Well, as it turned out, luckily, there wasn't any press, but it was a fundraiser, so I was expecting there to be press. And of course, I'm not even gonna do an interview, but if some, sometimes they happen.

• 2:12:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, sure.

• 2:12:44Dax Shepard?

  And so I was prepared to say that I was operating a steel grinder, a metal grinder, and that the sparks dotted me.

• 2:12:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:12:54Dax Shepard?

  And I was gonna say, hold on, I was gonna lie, knowing, the only reason I was looking forward to this was to lie in that interview, so that Armcherry's would have the inside scoop. Armcherry's would go, no, that looks like the Hyfricater 2000.

• 2:13:08Speaker 01

  Uh huh. Okay, so for the listener who can't see.

• 2:13:12Dax Shepard?

  Or watcher, or both.

• 2:13:14Speaker 01

  Well, I think if they're watching, they can see, um, that you have spots

• 2:13:21Dax Shepard?

  All over.

• 2:13:21Speaker 01

  All over your face.

• 2:13:22Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:13:23Speaker 01

  So now it's called what?

• 2:13:25Dax Shepard?

  Well, this was pointed out to me, and I, and I thank this commenter. A dermatologist wrote in about my Hyfricater.

• 2:13:32Speaker 01

  Oh, but that's not what you were calling it.

• 2:13:34Dax Shepard?

  I wasn't. I was calling it something completely.

• 2:13:36Speaker 01

  You're calling it a hyfector.

• 2:13:38Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:13:38Speaker 01

  I liked that.

• 2:13:39Dax Shepard?

  Hyfricater. And they taught me how to say it.

• 2:13:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:13:42Dax Shepard?

  And they said, all in all, they weren't terribly worried. They thought that the pain would be a big enough, um, dissuader to prevent any real damage.

• 2:13:50Speaker 01

  Okay, well, I think they might need to watch this episode.

• 2:13:53Dax Shepard?

  No, listen, this is, this is what I did last round, if you recall. I had more last round.

• 2:13:58Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:13:59Dax Shepard?

  Yes, I had way more around my neck and shoulders. I had a shirt on.

• 2:14:02Speaker 01

  This is on your face.

• 2:14:02Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, it's on my face. Even the tip of my nose, I got a little bit of it. You see, I want to tip my nose.

• 2:14:08Speaker 01

  It's just a lot. You've done a lot. You've done a lot to your face.

• 2:14:11Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, it was so fun.

• 2:14:13Speaker 01

  I need you to be careful, and I think that the, this new thing is your new cutting hair anxiety thing.

• 2:14:20Dax Shepard?

  Not yet. I'll, I'll admit to it when that happens.

• 2:14:23Speaker 01

  I don't think you know it until a little later.

• 2:14:25Dax Shepard?

  No. Cutting my hair as an anxiety release is like, I kinda can't pass a mirror without seeing something. Right? That's that pattern.

• 2:14:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:37Dax Shepard?

  This is like, I was accumulating, making mental notes for two months, since I haven't been by my East Coast Hyfricater 2000.

• 2:14:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:47Dax Shepard?

  And so now I finally have gotten one on the West Coast, and it was sitting on my desk for a week. And all last week, I wanted to use it so bad, but we were too busy. So Saturday came around, I was like, oh, finally, time for me and my Hyfricater 2000. And so I set it up on my desk. This one's even nicer. This one seems to have not been refurbished. I think it's brand new. And it came with tons of attachments, which the other one didn't. This one's gorgeous.

• 2:15:11Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:15:12Dax Shepard?

  So I fire it up, and I get to zapping, and it's all, I've already clocked them all. Like, I'll just start digging around my hair to find shit.

• 2:15:20Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 2:15:21Dax Shepard?

  This is, I already had a laundry list of things that needed zapping. This was always coming. This is like two months out.

• 2:15:27Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:15:27Dax Shepard?

  And so, listen.

• 2:15:31Speaker 01

  When I saw you today, when you first walked up, I was like, what has he done?

• 2:15:37Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:37Speaker 01

  What is he doing?

• 2:15:39Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. It's great. In like three days, I'll have no hyperplasia anymore on my face.

• 2:15:45Speaker 01

  What even is hyperplasia?

• 2:15:47Dax Shepard?

  Oh, doodads, like skin grows.

• 2:15:51Speaker 01

  I've never, I have never noticed any of that on your face.

• 2:15:55Dax Shepard?

  Taking your index finger and rubbing it across my forehead and scanning for bumps.

• 2:16:00Speaker 01

  I know, but you don't have any.

• 2:16:02Dax Shepard?

  Well, now I don't, because I just zapped them on the kingdom come on Saturday. And a few, I got a, I got a whopper under my arm. That one I have been, have been driving me insane for two months. I'm like, fuck.

• 2:16:13Speaker 01

  Was it raised?

• 2:16:14Dax Shepard?

  It's a proper skin tag.

• 2:16:15Speaker 01

  Okay. That, I, okay, sure, like, but whatever's happening on your face, no one notices, and yet here you are making like, you're so scabbed up.

• 2:16:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I love it. I don't mind it at all.

• 2:16:29Speaker 01

  And I then imagined, in the middle of the interview, I zoned out at one point, and I imagined, like, every day you come in and, like.

• 2:16:37Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I'm just, my whole face is a scab.

• 2:16:39Speaker 01

  It's an SNL sketch, that every day it's worse and worse.

• 2:16:43Dax Shepard?

  Progressively, yeah. I'm losing more and more sight of it.

• 2:16:45Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 2:16:46Dax Shepard?

  I wish to God, I wanted the interview subject to bring it up.

• 2:16:51Speaker 01

  He would never.

• 2:16:52Dax Shepard?

  Because I was gonna tell him it was from a metal grinder, and then I wanted just, I just wanted to give the Armcherry's a fun secret that they would, they would go, bullshit, he was zapping his face. That was not from grinding metal. But the grinding metal would be, you would totally buy that, because, you know, it's just showering sparks. I have burnt myself using the metal grinder. It's just showering sparks, so they could have landed and zapped me.

• 2:17:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, you could also maybe say like, oil splatter from cooking.

• 2:17:18Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Not, not, not mancho enough. I need metal grinder.

• 2:17:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not mancho enough. Instead of what it is.

• 2:17:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, with vanity central, with six mirrors and all this lighting. I am using like shop lighting. I have this like really powerful rods that you put under the car to be able to see under there. So I'm, my desk is like, it's a mix between, is he building an engine or is he zapping his face?

• 2:17:41Speaker 01

  Wow. Well, my goodness.

• 2:17:43Dax Shepard?

  Thanks for noticing. I would have forgot to bring it up, and I'm happy to talk about it. I'm not embarrassed by it, yeah.

• 2:17:48Speaker 01

  I, I, I mean, I don't want you to be embarrassed.

• 2:17:51Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:17:51Speaker 01

  Ever, but I do want you to be a little careful with your face, okay?

• 2:17:55Dax Shepard?

  I'm being very careful.

• 2:17:56Speaker 01

  You have a nice face. You can just let it be.

• 2:17:59Dax Shepard?

  Well, no, because the gross will take over. You won't be saying that. Yeah, they get bigger and bigger.

• 2:18:04Speaker 01

  Okay. Um, some facts.

• 2:18:06Dax Shepard?

  Yes. Ash facts.

• 2:18:08Speaker 01

  Okay, first things first. I.

• 2:18:11Dax Shepard?

  Have a text you gotta tell me about?

• 2:18:12Speaker 01

  I asked Phineas and Claudia, I said, hi, I'm doing a fact check for Ash, and Dak says he was the oldest non-family member at your wedding. Can you deny or confirm, please? Phineas, false, exclamation point. And then.

• 2:18:30Dax Shepard?

  Who was older?

• 2:18:31Speaker 01

  Zane Lowe, exclamation point.

• 2:18:33Dax Shepard?

  How old is Zane?

• 2:18:35Speaker 01

  Fifty-three. Fifty-three. Okay.

• 2:18:38Dax Shepard?

  All right, all right.

• 2:18:39Speaker 01

  And then I said, thank you, I will be setting the record straight.

• 2:18:42Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:18:42Speaker 01

  He came back, actually also a guy named Paul, who is 70. And then I said, great, this feels like waterproof evidence.

• 2:18:50Dax Shepard?

  Waterproof evidence?

• 2:18:53Dax Shepard?

  Is that an expression?

• 2:18:54Speaker 01

  Then he said, only guy with no shirt, to be clear.

• 2:18:59Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so that's really the only.

• 2:19:01Speaker 01

  I said, I have no doubts about that.

• 2:19:03Dax Shepard?

  That is unique.

• 2:19:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:05Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:19:06Speaker 01

  Also, though, she made a point, because she brought up being at a table by Jason Sudeikis.

• 2:19:10Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:19:11Speaker 01

  And then she started to say, how old's he? But we, we moved on.

• 2:19:15Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:15Speaker 01

  He's 51. He's your age.

• 2:19:18Dax Shepard?

  When's his birthday?

• 2:19:19Speaker 01

  His birthday is on September 18th.

• 2:19:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, so, I'm much older than him. Nine, over nine months.

• 2:19:29Speaker 01

  Good.

• 2:19:29Dax Shepard?

  If we were rounding up, over a year older.

• 2:19:31Speaker 01

  We're not rounding up. Um.

• 2:19:33Dax Shepard?

  Don't need to. Nine months is an eternity.

• 2:19:37Dax Shepard?

  Hopefully, you're gonna explode.

• 2:19:40Speaker 01

  Um, is high cotton a bad phrase? The phrase in high cotton or tall cotton is not inha, oh, I said, is high cotton, it filled in a racist term, so I let it.

• 2:19:52Dax Shepard?

  Run with that?

• 2:19:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. The phrase in high cotton or tall cotton is not inherently racist, as it originates from rural southern agricultural life to describe a successful harvest and financial prosperity, obviously. That's what, that's what you said, that's what it means. It's.

• 2:20:07Dax Shepard?

  You don't love that.

• 2:20:08Speaker 01

  Offense, you know? Oh, Ash said birth control pills, she was like, which we now know are bad for you. Not necessarily true at all.

• 2:20:17Dax Shepard?

  No.

• 2:20:17Speaker 01

  So I did DM Dr. Mary Claire Haver.

• 2:20:22Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, great.

• 2:20:23Speaker 01

  She didn't respond.

• 2:20:24Dax Shepard?

  No, yeah.

• 2:20:25Speaker 01

  In time.

• 2:20:26Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:26Speaker 01

  So, um.

• 2:20:28Dax Shepard?

  I think she's a very busy woman. I think a lot of people, because I know Kristen's got an unanswered DM too.

• 2:20:32Speaker 01

  She is very busy.

• 2:20:33Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, so maybe on a fact check in 2027, we'll.

• 2:20:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, we'll find out. But I just went to overall Google, you know? Um, birth control pills are generally safe and effective for most people, but they do carry potential side effects and rare risks, depending on individual, individual health factors, but like, it's not like an overall.

• 2:20:49Dax Shepard?

  Talking about is the strokes.

• 2:20:51Speaker 01

  Is that? Or was she talking about having kids? I think she was kind of referencing, because she said, it's, I've been on it for 10 years, and like, and she was talking about the kids thing. That's what it led to.

• 2:21:01Dax Shepard?

  Okay. I filled in the blank. I thought she was talking. The thing I always hear people panicked about is the strokes.

• 2:21:05Speaker 01

  That used to be a very common fear, but I haven't heard about that in a while. But it actually can have some health benefits. It can lower cancer risk, symptom relief, obviously, but birth control can help with cramps and heavy bleeding.

• 2:21:19Dax Shepard?

  Skin benefits for some.

• 2:21:21Speaker 01

  Exactly. Criticism of Body Keeps the Score.

• 2:21:25Dax Shepard?

  I think there's a school of thought that is, if you're suggesting this is trapped in your body and you need to excavate it, that the excavation for people could be more damaging than not doing the excavation. I think that's, if I understand the pushback correctly, I think that's part of what it is. Now, look, I've, as I've said, I love Body Keeps the Score. I think it's a great book. And again, what's probably true is that it's very accurate for certain people who have had really intense trauma, and then there's probably other people who don't need to excavate, who excavating is not a good idea. You know, I don't know. But it's such a range of people with a range of conditions.

• 2:22:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:22:03Dax Shepard?

  That to say one approach is gonna work for everyone, naturally, you're gonna be able to find a subset that that's not the right thing to do with.

• 2:22:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, it says, critics and journalists point out that the book can over-medicalize distress, inflate the definition of trauma, and ignore broader social, political, and structural forces behind violence. Some science writers also argue it misinterprets certain data or presents an overly bleak view of recovery. Interesting.

• 2:22:26Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:27Speaker 01

  That might be it. Yeah.

• 2:22:30Dax Shepard?

  That's it. Okay.

• 2:22:33Speaker 01

  That's his all.

• 2:22:34Dax Shepard?

  Love you.

• 2:22:34Speaker 01

  Love you.