Mom's Car: Jedidiah Jenkins

On this week’s episode of Mom’s Car we welcome Jedidiah Jenkins (Go Quiet on the Mountain, Mother, Nature, To Shake the Sleeping Self). Jedidiah, Dax, and Best Friend Aaron Weakley talk through texting punchlines to David Sedaris, driving through a blizzard while Aaron slept for 29 hours, finding love 58 miles outside your comfort zone, Jedidiah’s sexual Rumspringa in his 30s, the difference between being desired and doing the desiring, sex that requires a construction crew, and the house tour that made Dax realize he was using sex like a drug. Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds: https://www.allstate.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Dax Shepard?

  Welcome to Mom's Car. I'm Dax Shepard.

• 0:02Speaker 01

  I am Aaron Wickley.

• 0:03Dax Shepard?

  And today we have Jedediah Jenkins. We love Jedediah Jenkins. He was one of the greatest guests on Armchair Expert. He's also a very longtime friend. I adore him. He's also an incredible author. He has three books, Mother Nature, To Shake the Sleeping Self, Light Streams to the Ocean, and he's got a new book, look for it, coming out in early 2027, Go Quiet on the Mountain, The Power of Stepping Away from a World That Never Stops.

• 0:32Speaker 01

  We love Jed.

• 0:33Dax Shepard?

  We do. We talk about a lot of sex in this one, so it's juicy. Please enjoy Jedediah Jenkins. This episode is brought to you by Allstate. Checking Allstate first could save you hundreds on car insurance. Not checking the dress code at the new restaurant, showing up in sandals and getting turned away at the door, no fun at all. Yeah, checking first is always a good move. So check Allstate first for an auto quote. It could save you hundreds. You're in good hands with Allstate. Potential savings vary, subject to terms, conditions, and availability. Allstate North American Insurance Company and affiliates, Northbrook, Illinois. We are supported by Uber Eats. Boom, boom, boom. In need of groceries? Uber Eats has you covered. From last minute ingredients to weekly essentials,

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• 1:46Speaker 02

  What I find so funny is I've spent a lot of time in Japan because my partner is Japanese. What's so interesting about him is like, we rented a car recently, and then before we go, he's like, oh, we have to go to the car wash and vacuum and clean the car. I go, what? He's like, we're not returning this car dirty. I'm like, it's a rental.

• 2:04Dax Shepard?

  It's garbage.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  And if you saw at the World Cup, the Japanese fans clean when they leave. It's a cultural mindset of like, leave a place better than you found it, which is obviously incredible.

• 2:15Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it's incredible. It is. Yeah, there's another Sedaris thing, and he talks about being over there, and he watches a woman whose little boy wants to put her hands on the glass of the subway. So first she puts down a towel that was in her purse, so he can put his knees on the armrest. And then when he's done, she cleans the window. This is just in his newest book about how terrible parents are in the US.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  Do you, okay, this is a question. So Sedaris famously has his little pocket notebook, and at all times, doesn't matter what's going on, he's making a little note.

• 2:44Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  About any interesting thing. Do you do that in your life in terms of like, building out guests and questions? Like, are you, do you have a version of that?

• 2:53Dax Shepard?

  No, but I've been with him and watched him jot down stuff, and I go like, God, I gotta start doing that.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  Can you tell what he's jotting down, or is it random?

• 3:03Speaker 01

  Lucifer's. Oh, my favorite pizza.

• 3:06Dax Shepard?

  Backwards. Okay. Yeah, I've been meaning to do that. I wish I could do that. But what's funny is now I think of jokes, and I send them to him. Like, I just, now if I think, like, normally, he's writing down funny little sentences that he hears, mostly, is what I've been able to glean from it. And so, yeah, I just text him the other day, like, I thought of a great name for firefighter pants called, oh, it's gonna kill me. And then just the other day, I was like, God, why don't I have that written down?

• 3:37Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. I like that he physically writes it down. There's something I love about the tactile of like, having a little ledger of all your little quips versus just some file on your phone.

• 3:49Dax Shepard?

  I kind of modeled the whole thing out, and I, and I kind of feel like I already know where it's gonna go. I'm just gonna write all these things down. I'm gonna put them in some drawer. And when I get inspired to write, I'm not gonna be able to find the thing that I wanted. You know, what page is that thing on? And I'm just very, I'm very suspicious of how well I would be able to use.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  Have you heard the Woody Allen thing about the drawer?

• 4:11Dax Shepard?

  No, tell me that.

• 4:12Speaker 02

  My understanding is that he, having made so many films, he has a drawer of like, trinkets, like the everything drawer that everyone has. He had it next to his bed or whatever. And he would, once a year, maybe January 1st or whatever, he would open the drawer and pull out one of the things he put in, write a script based on that object. Like, he'll just keep things like weird little trinkets or whatever, and then whatever that year's script is, and that is the jumping off point.

• 4:38Dax Shepard?

  Well, that's amazing.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  I don't know if it's true, but it's not, it's a truth, yummy truth.

• 4:44Dax Shepard?

  Like, I've been meaning to text Sedaris for two days, because I thought that the greatest nickname for Trudeau, the Canadian ex-prime minister, would be John F. Canada.

• 5:01Dax Shepard?

  Think, isn't that good?

• 5:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:02Dax Shepard?

  And I don't really write like that.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  Somebody has to have said that. It's too good.

• 5:06Dax Shepard?

  I know. And I thought of it. I'm like, it's gotta be out there. And I haven't done any research to see if it is. But I also came up with another one a couple of years ago, which was, did you hear that Forbes just announced the richest man in Mexico?

• 5:20Speaker 02

  It's not, oh.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  This is my favorite.

• 5:22Speaker 02

  Slim, or what are you gonna say?

• 5:24Dax Shepard?

  Jeff Pesos.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  Never not laugh.

• 5:30Dax Shepard?

  So like, I immediately text him that, right? And he's like, oh, I can't wait to start saying that.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  That is style of comedy.

• 5:38Dax Shepard?

  Oh, yeah, he loves wordplay, like gunderpants. He's really mad. He saw that there were underwear specifically designed for shooters, and he was so mad that they weren't called gunderpants.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  What is the underwear doing?

• 5:52Dax Shepard?

  Probably some compression situation. I have no idea. Maybe you can tuck your pistol in them. It just, I don't know what it does, but the underwear was designed for shooters, and he saw it. When he went shooting with his sister, it was like in a catalog of things.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Have you ever shot like a major gun?

• 6:08Dax Shepard?

  I've literally shot every gun on planet Earth because I've done two USO tours. And when you're there, that your kind of reward for that is they let you fire every gun. I've shot an RPG over my shoulder, like.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  Standing?

• 6:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, standing.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  How does it not knock you over?

• 6:25Dax Shepard?

  That's not the issue. The issue is it's so loud. It's a rocket that's one inch from your ear, and when that thing rips out of the tube, it's pretty, and even with an earplug in, it was like, oh, that's damaging.

• 6:38Speaker 02

  What gun has the gnarliest kickback?

• 6:41Dax Shepard?

  Well, I've shot AK-47 over there. I shot, I shot a fully auto grenade launcher, so

• 6:48Dax Shepard?

  and in the desert, it's just fucking grenades are going off. I fired the howitzer, the fucking enormous cannon that lobs a shell this big. Yeah, you gotta pull a cord and it shoots.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  What are you firing at?

• 7:01Dax Shepard?

  I was on a KBL mountain. I was shooting actually into Pakistan on the border of Afghanistan.

• 7:07Dax Shepard?

  And.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  Okay, what do we learn now?

• 7:09Speaker 01

  Now we're gonna eat a pizza, a small pizza between us three.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  In your life, both of your lives, do you find you're the driver or being driven?

• 7:18Dax Shepard?

  This is great.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  I am 100% the driver when I'm not with Dax. When I'm with Dax, I'm 100% of the time the passenger.

• 7:29Dax Shepard?

  And even when I offer, like, we're out on the boat pretty often together, and I'm like, you wanna drive the boat? And he's like, no, I love sitting here, just fucking checking out the scenery. Like, I don't really wanna deal with having to think about hitting logs and shit.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  I fucking, I don't, I feel a little bad because he never gets a break, because.

• 7:45Dax Shepard?

  But I don't want one, so.

• 7:47Speaker 01

  But he doesn't want one. But I really enjoy the, this role started when we were very young, so I love this, and I would never, ever be a passenger anywhere else.

• 8:01Dax Shepard?

  Tell me about our trip home from Salt Lake City. You know, we lived in a car for six months when we graduated high school. I was like, I was fulfilling my on-the-road dreams, right?

• 8:10Speaker 01

  We lived in his 1984 Mustang.

• 8:14Speaker 02

  Slept where?

• 8:16Dax Shepard?

  We met people. We stayed in dorm rooms in Isla Vista, Santa Barbara. I mean, the reason I live in California is this trip. Like, we made friends in Santa Barbara, friends everywhere. At Ascadaro, we were.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  Oh, that was beautiful. Yeah, we occasionally slept in a field.

• 8:30Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, we had a tent.

• 8:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, mountains, fields.

• 8:34Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, Mount Charleston.

• 8:35Speaker 02

  Make a movie about that, because that's also a cool time period to see the movie in.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  There was funny times during that trip.

• 8:41Dax Shepard?

  I can't imagine that pie jinx had ensued.

• 8:44Speaker 01

  The last part of our trip was we were going to Salt Lake City to see our friends that were in these punk rock bands, and so we're gonna fucking party. And then from there, head home, which is about a 30-hour drive to Detroit. We took off. I fell asleep.

• 9:01Dax Shepard?

  It was a blizzard.

• 9:02Speaker 01

  It was.

• 9:03Speaker 02

  Did you drive that whole life on the road, or did you?

• 9:05Speaker 01

  Not once.

• 9:06Dax Shepard?

  He didn't drive one time in six months.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  Not once. I think I drove someone else's car along the way, but um.

• 9:13Dax Shepard?

  And you may have even driven the Mustang without me to drive someone's car.

• 9:16Speaker 02

  Like an established role. It was a natural expression of what you want.

• 9:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I may have went to the store while he was staying somewhere.

• 9:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it never happened where he was on the side. But it was a fucking horrendous blizzard. And you know the storms move west to east, right?

• 9:32Speaker 02

  Oh, so you're driving with it?

• 9:34Speaker 01

  Yes, so.

• 9:34Dax Shepard?

  Go ahead and get on the other side of it.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  And the Mustang was being a little finicky and um.

• 9:41Dax Shepard?

  We had blown the rear end right the day before and had to like, we had no money and they get the rear end replaced by this guy and.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  And there was a whole thing with the double clutch and the shift. There is, it was a, it was a, it was a whole process to drive it at this point. And rear wheel drive, so the fucking thing had no weight, rear wheel drive, big motor. So it did not want to be in a blizzard.

• 10:06Dax Shepard?

  I fishtailed for thirty six hours. It was zero, zero visibility.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  Pure white knuckles, stressed, bloodshot eyes.

• 10:14Dax Shepard?

  It's a mix, you know, I kind of live for that. So I kind of been loving the challenge. I'm watching semis fly off the road. I'm watching people in four by fours not going as fast as we are, you know, so I love it. No, it is, it is.

• 10:25Speaker 02

  You're from Detroit. You can drive in the snow unlike many other people.

• 10:27Dax Shepard?

  And my identity is that I'm a great driver, right? So it's like, here's how I prove, here's an opportunity to prove that. Suffice to say, after thirty hours of it, yeah, I was, I was pretty fucking fried.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  I fell asleep in Salt Lake. I didn't wake up until we were an hour from home.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  Twenty nine hours? What do you mean?

• 10:47Dax Shepard?

  At least, at least that.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  And I couldn't keep my eyes open.

• 10:52Dax Shepard?

  Well, he wakes up and it's still snowing, so I think he thinks we might be Wyoming or something, right? He goes, where are we? I go, dude, we're a fucking hour from home.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  God bless you.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  I could be in the center of the earth so far from light and at eight hours I will spring awake and my entire body will hurt and get, tell me to get out of bed.

• 11:13Dax Shepard?

  I couldn't agree more. And wait till you're my age. That goes down to about five and a half hours where it's just like, I'm too uncomfortable. My body aches everywhere.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  Get me out.

• 11:21Dax Shepard?

  Peeed three times. I've woken up to pee and then finally I go, fuck it. And let's just go, let's just fucking get up and be, get it over with.

• 11:30Speaker 02

  This is dystopian, but you know how like Spotify does Spotify wrapped? And it's like, you listened to Whitney Houston thirty nine hours. I want a annual rap of everything.

• 11:42Dax Shepard?

  Oh, that would be great.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  How many times did I say fuck this year?

• 11:45Dax Shepard?

  How long was I in the toilet this year?

• 11:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Wouldn't that be the coolest searchable database?

• 11:50Dax Shepard?

  Yes, yes.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  Oh, we gotta be close.

• 11:54Speaker 02

  But then also like, let's say you date somebody and you fall in love and you're dating them and then you can go, have I ever been close to this person before and I didn't realize it? And that shows you, you guys were at Disneyland in two thousand fifteen and you were two meters away and you didn't realize.

• 12:10Dax Shepard?

  Well, even think, model out all the different things that would happen within your arguments with your partner. Cause you're, all partners make these statements like, you're always on your Instagram or you're always do this and you always do that. And to be able to just go, hey, how off, you know, what percentage do I do that? Sorry, that's bullshit. Now let's talk realistically about it. Cause everyone's exaggerating it all the time.

• 12:32Speaker 02

  You get an end of the year report of what's the truth and then you can find.

• 12:35Dax Shepard?

  And it'll solve nothing because it's emotions always, but you'll, you'll think you're now clear. It doesn't really matter if you are or not. They feel that you are and that's what needs to be addressed. Do you catch yourself, do you police yourself when you're arguing with your partner? Where you go like, I say those statements, right? Like, no, you're always, and I go, you're often?

• 12:55Speaker 02

  Yep, well.

• 12:56Dax Shepard?

  I tried to be moral about it.

• 12:58Speaker 02

  So this is the challenge. So I'm two years in and we have had constructive conversations, but no real arguments. He's Japanese and he's very.

• 13:07Dax Shepard?

  Conflict adverse.

• 13:09Speaker 02

  Conflict adverse and so am I, but we're also very conversation forward. Like, I don't want to go to that party. Okay.

• 13:16Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 13:17Speaker 02

  Like that, and maybe it's because we're older.

• 13:19Dax Shepard?

  That sounds lovely. Now, do you run into this though? My friend Nate produced a movie in Japan and he said that something he noticed culturally pretty quick, which was so hard to deal with for us, is that often they just say yes, no matter what, but they didn't mean yes. And if you were Japanese, you would have seen the other.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  The nuance.

• 13:39Dax Shepard?

  Nuanced things that are going on that that was really no, but he's just hearing yes, and then the thing's not happening. And someone's explaining like, well, no, he, he looked this way when he said yes, or you know, all these intricate things. And generally they're not going to say no.

• 13:53Speaker 02

  There's a word for this and I'm forgetting the name. It's these amazing Japanese words. Japanese people have three faces. They have the face they show the world. The face they show their close friends and the face only they know. And the very famous Japanese culture that we all know is that outward face of arigato gozaimasu is like very respectful, very sweet. And then it's, but that is not the truth. Inside it's, it's a war zone and they're, they're having a lot of feelings.

• 14:19Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  So I've been very trepidatious, trepidatious around that with him.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  Do you feel like you're with a ticking time bomb sometimes?

• 14:27Speaker 02

  Well, I do. I wonder. I really wonder. I don't think I am, but I could be, so stay tuned.

• 14:34Dax Shepard?

  Intenable to me.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  We will, I mean, we'll very much see.

• 14:38Dax Shepard?

  Okay. So also there's a pretty good sized language barrier, right? Cause Kristen met him. He does not speak a ton of English.

• 14:45Speaker 02

  He does. It's, he, he does.

• 14:49Dax Shepard?

  Maybe not out and about.

• 14:51Speaker 02

  He is shy around his English around new people because it makes him clam up and it, when I don't even clock the language barrier, except that it's cute when he won't be able to pronounce parsley.

• 15:01Dax Shepard?

  Sure, sure. How does he say parsley?

• 15:03Speaker 02

  Parsary.

• 15:03Dax Shepard?

  Oh, lovely. I would ask him to say parsley all day.

• 15:07Speaker 02

  No, well, try to get him to say heated rivalry. It is a war zone that you cannot imagine.

• 15:13Dax Shepard?

  I just saw like a trend on either Instagram. I know on TikTok, it's almost been Instagram, but yeah, Asian people trying to say a specific word. I wish.

• 15:20Speaker 02

  Refrigerators really are.

• 15:21Dax Shepard?

  I think that's what it was.

• 15:24Dax Shepard?

  They can't even.

• 15:24Speaker 02

  So cute.

• 15:25Dax Shepard?

  Yes, and they, many of them can't even attempt it, right? It's like how I felt growing up trying to read words. Like, oh, I don't even have a guess of how this starts.

• 15:34Speaker 02

  Oh, there's Japanese words that he'll say that I can't even begin to make my tongue go, they, they do this little like, this little dance.

• 15:41Dax Shepard?

  So how did you guys meet?

• 15:43Speaker 02

  We met on Tinder. I expanded my radius.

• 15:46Dax Shepard?

  To Japan?

• 15:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was just like, well, that's, you know, that's how Raya is.

• 15:53Dax Shepard?

  Is it? It's worldwide?

• 15:54Speaker 02

  Raya is worldwide, which is like annoying because then if you're like matching with someone in Hong Kong, what now?

• 15:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  They're assuming you're so global that whatever, but no.

• 16:03Dax Shepard?

  You're constantly in a jet.

• 16:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like the weird mentality I had was I would have my things set to five miles, a circle around my house. And I'm thinking, what if the love of my life is five and a half miles away?

• 16:15Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, that's, that seems very narrow. You're.

• 16:18Speaker 02

  Well, but it's annoying to drive far. So then, so then I.

• 16:22Dax Shepard?

  But it sounds very.

• 16:22Speaker 02

  Then I drive, you know, I'd go on a bunch of dates on those five miles and then I would make it ten miles.

• 16:26Dax Shepard?

  You're airing your privilege of living in LA. Like if you're gay in the middle of Iowa, your fucking radius would have to be like a thousand miles.

• 16:35Speaker 02

  Totally. No chance.

• 16:37Dax Shepard?

  Five miles. Like there's, there's, and there is, there's enough dudes within five miles that are gay. No problem.

• 16:42Speaker 02

  Now that I am partnered, I, I actually, I do not miss the apps at all, except for this one element, which is getting on an app and seeing how different gays are in different parts of this country.

• 16:52Dax Shepard?

  Okay, yeah.

• 16:53Speaker 02

  You go to Nashville and you open it up and it is like yellow polos grooming, like they're all Christian traumatized, but they want to like present, they have like rosacea, they're like pale, they're.

• 17:04Dax Shepard?

  Stressed out.

• 17:05Speaker 02

  Stress or they're like trying to be this like performance, performance Morgan Wallen beast. It's like this really interesting cultural expression and I miss checking in on that.

• 17:15Dax Shepard?

  I'll reference the Bill Burr joke, right? He's telling this great story in his Red Rock standup. He's in town shooting a movie, playing a firefighter. So he gets off work and he's walking back to his hotel. So he's got this huge mustache. And he's in like shorts or whatever. And then he realizes, oh, it's also pride week in Manhattan. So he's like, well, clearly everyone's like, yeah, that dude's a fucking gay dude. He's got this huge mustache, whatever. He goes, and then I see this lesbian walking at me. I know, how do I know she's a lesbian? The same way you do. That way I was like, that is so brilliant. Everyone thinks they know.

• 17:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 17:53Dax Shepard?

  But I will say the times that I've been pretty confused, it is exactly the super sweet Christian boy. Cause again, I don't have a ton of familiarity with that Christian world, but so often I'm like, I don't know, super Christian loves Jesus or gay.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, no. And a lot of them are gay. You know, you said something years ago that I think about a lot, which was there was somebody that we knew that was like coming out as bisexual. And you go, they're gay. And I go, I, I don't know. I think they're bisexual. And you go, you asked me the question, go, have you ever seen a man that was straight who comes out as bi? That does not slide all the way to gay and then stay gay? Do they ever go back and date a girl after that? Like once they've gone gay, do they ever go back? And I said, I have never seen that now.

• 18:43Dax Shepard?

  Well, and I ended up talking to that person and we're close enough for me to say this. I'm like, is it possible that it feels a little less shocking to your family and a little more comforting that you still have a foot in this other world? And um, he said, I don't know. I don't think it's that. He goes, I like boobs. And I go, okay. There are two doors. Behind one door is a dude with a six pack and a ten inch dick. And on the other door, there's a, a girl with really buoyant C boobs. Are you ever walking into the door with the boobs? And he goes, no, I'm not.

• 19:15Dax Shepard?

  And I go, yeah, man. And that's fine. That's great. That's great. I love it. I'd like it more. I have no competition with you now. You're very charming and.

• 19:25Dax Shepard?

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• 19:28Dax Shepard?

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• 20:06Speaker 02

  This is an interesting question, but I would love to know how you fall, both of you. This is a made up analysis, but I think that there's so many types of sexuality that we like force things into binaries and trinaries and whatever, but like I've met people that are turned on by being attractive. And so they are straight, but they have had gay experiences because they're hot and they are turned on by being hot.

• 20:28Dax Shepard?

  I can totally relate to that observation because what is hot to me is that you're horny for me. Like when people get into like, oh, she's not this or her feet weren't that or that. I'm like, I don't even know what you're talking about. Like for me, like if I make someone horny, that is so exciting. We're gonna have a very fun time. Like that is the most important aspect to me. It's just like, if you, if you're super hot for me, I'm, I find that very attractive and I, I, I would like to be with that. I wanna be with someone who wants to be with me really bad. That's gonna be way more fun.

• 21:05Speaker 02

  I want to consume. I don't care to be consumed. And I think that has a lot to do with maybe like not feeling like I was part of the game or ashamed of my body growing up or whatever it was. Where it's like, I was always looking from afar and being like, I want that. And so I wanna devour it and I don't even consider being devoured. What about you?

• 21:23Speaker 01

  I'm actually pretty much with that. I know that excitement and feeling.

• 21:28Dax Shepard?

  Of being adored and desired.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  Yes. And I will look past maybe a lot of.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  Things you might otherwise care about.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  That I would normally look at afar and go, eh, not for me.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, if you're just looking at pictures, and that's probably why I'm glad I wasn't in the app world.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  I have been very superficial in the past and I did a little.

• 21:51Dax Shepard?

  You had a run.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Stint in the fucking app world, yeah.

• 21:54Dax Shepard?

  But do you know what I'm saying, Jeb? Like if the guy looking at you, you can see in his face, he's so hot for you and so horny for you. Isn't that so, does that not give you the?

• 22:06Speaker 02

  No, trust me, it does, but I still am in a healing journey with that.

• 22:09Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 22:10Speaker 02

  Like, cause I get that from my partner and like, and sometimes he's like ready to eat me and it's scary. I'm like, oh my God.

• 22:17Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. And then, and then this is very revealing, but this is true. My sexuality, like when I watch pornos, this is the best way to describe it. When I watch porno where the dude's just clearly doing the thing he wants to do and he's fucking making the girl choke and all this stuff, I'm not turned on at all. The pornography that gets me really excited is like if I really buy into the fact that the woman's super horny and actually orgasming. And by the way, you gotta dig through the haystack.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  Oh my, I was gonna say, that is rare.

• 22:46Dax Shepard?

  It's just so clearly a performance and they're not getting any pleasure out of it. And this is probably a selfish desire, but maybe sex is inherently selfish. My dream is that they think I was the best that they ever had. I want to give them the platinum package and I hope that they'll walk away going, that was the best experience I ever had. And I want that way more than I want to come.

• 23:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:06Dax Shepard?

  Like I've even talked to people, friends of mine who have like, well, talk about ecstasy and sex is so fun on ecstasy, yet you can't come generally. And so people go like, oh, I kinda hate it cause you can't come. And I'm like, I'm the opposite. I'm like, I can't come. All I can do is provide pleasure and I can observe the pleasure and it's the best sex you can have for me.

• 23:27Speaker 02

  I've heard that like, there's also two ways of watching porn. You're the person doing the thing or you're, you're imagining you're the person being done upon.

• 23:35Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 23:36Speaker 02

  Like you wanna be the person that's being hot.

• 23:39Dax Shepard?

  Providing ultimate pleasure.

• 23:41Speaker 02

  Well, and I've experienced that. It's very interesting. In the gay world, there's tops and there's bottoms and then there's verse. Do you know these things?

• 23:47Dax Shepard?

  Yes, I do.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  We were taught that.

• 23:49Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 23:50Dax Shepard?

  And are they percentage wise, my understanding is it is predominantly bottoms on the apps.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  I think so. Well, bottoms generally, this is obviously a major generalization. Bottoms, they carry with them a more forward feminine energy because they wanna receive rather than deliver.

• 24:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 24:07Speaker 02

  And that feminine energy is often harder to assimilate into heteronormative society. And so they generally are more out there. A lot of like heteronormative tops can like hide or are still ashamed of their sexuality and they're doing this, this and that. I love Pasadena.

• 24:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, this is gorgeous.

• 24:24Speaker 02

  I love a bungalow with my whole heart.

• 24:26Dax Shepard?

  Oh, there it is. There it is. Oh.

• 24:28Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 24:29Dax Shepard?

  A lot going on in there.

• 24:30Speaker 02

  The Boo Radley house?

• 24:31Dax Shepard?

  You know, I'm obsessed with houses. So I look in all these different accounts that have houses and by God, there was a fucking house for sale the other day here in Pasadena. It's on a goddamn lake. I'm like, there's a lake in Pasadena? You can live on a lake in Pasadena?

• 24:43Speaker 02

  What?

• 24:44Dax Shepard?

  All right, let's deliver some Uber Eats, shall we?

• 24:47Speaker 01

  They have a big and ton of.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  Oh, and they seem to be breeding chihuahuas.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  That's scary. He didn't give him the coke?

• 24:53Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Oh, there he goes. Look at here.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  He realized. Oh, he really did hear you. What was that? Have you ever been attacked by a dog?

• 25:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:01Speaker 02

  In a real way, like blood?

• 25:03Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. Like a dog jumped out of a picture window.

• 25:08Speaker 02

  How bad?

• 25:08Speaker 01

  Like a fucking movie. A German shepherd.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  Huh?

• 25:12Speaker 01

  When I was five.

• 25:14Speaker 02

  Were you scared of dogs forever?

• 25:15Speaker 01

  Uh, no.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  You were attacked by a German shepherd at age five?

• 25:18Dax Shepard?

  You were?

• 25:19Speaker 02

  It was.

• 25:20Dax Shepard?

  You were?

• 25:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. It was, I'm sure I told you this along the way, but uh, it was my neighbor in the Ro Lake neighborhood.

• 25:27Dax Shepard?

  Oh, sure.

• 25:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, they had.

• 25:29Dax Shepard?

  Very, very low income neighborhood.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. They had, most dogs roamed the neighborhood. Um, but this one was particularly mean and vicious. And you know, that's a status symbol.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  Had a taste for anas africanus.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, you did. Caucasian, cafricana.

• 25:50Dax Shepard?

  Anus cocasius.

• 25:52Speaker 01

  Anyway, he fucking jumped through the window, through a big.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Like broke it?

• 25:57Speaker 01

  Square picture window. Oh yeah, yeah. Jumped through it like it wasn't even there. And he fucking ripped me off that bike and just fucking started tearing into my leg and uh.

• 26:10Speaker 02

  How did you get away?

• 26:11Speaker 01

  My dad.

• 26:12Speaker 02

  Was there?

• 26:13Speaker 01

  Yeah. But it was really violent. I um, fucking love dogs.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  So, and I can't.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  I know. You have gorgeous dogs, don't you?

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  Like doodly gorgeous?

• 26:26Speaker 01

  Stupidest doodles. Yes, of course. Who doesn't have a doodle nowadays?

• 26:31Speaker 02

  Okay, I have a question. I don't know if you use X. I don't know why I still do it. It's just cause of all the people I follow are still there. If I watch a video on X, it auto, it's trying to be TikTok, you know, it auto plays another one.

• 26:41Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 26:42Speaker 02

  Every single time it's like, I'll be watching like Project Runway or some like cute gay thing. And then it swipes up to like the most brutal street fight I've ever seen. It must know that I wanna watch this.

• 26:53Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. I have the same algorithm.

• 26:55Speaker 02

  And so, so anyway, it showed this video of a pit bull grabbing onto like a five year old's leg in a playground, but the adults are scared of the pit bull too. So they're like taking like a broom and going, trying to tap the pit bull. And I'm thinking, what should an adult do? Like, am I supposed to headlock? Like jump on the, like what would you do?

• 27:17Dax Shepard?

  There's an answer. So if you don't have a hose, I hate being sprayed with water, right? So you're supposed to spray them with a hose and in the absence of that, you're supposed to put your thumb up their ass. If you put your thumb in their ass while that's happening, they'll stop. I'm told. That's supposed to be.

• 27:31Speaker 02

  This is major update.

• 27:32Dax Shepard?

  Cause you're not getting those jaws apart. You would need, yeah, channel lock. There's some, yeah. But wait, when I got out of the car, you were starting to tell me about, okay, you, you guys know there's tops and there's bottoms.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, we're back.

• 27:45Dax Shepard?

  And verse.

• 27:46Speaker 02

  And verse.

• 27:46Dax Shepard?

  And Jess tells me that verse is generally a lie.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  No, I'm verse.

• 27:50Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay. Great.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  But, but so here's what's so interesting about this. So I always thought I was top. I also come from a Christian background or whatever. It was like so embarrassing to be gay and so you wanna be masculine.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  Fucking around here.

• 27:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  And so I always thought I was an exclusive top. And then I was dating a guy who, he was also an exclusive top. And this is what's interesting is like, early in the dating app era, you didn't say what you were. You just were a guy, you're a guy. Now, a lot of these places, you say it.

• 28:18Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  Especially on a hookup app like Grindr.

• 28:20Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  But it's also limiting because some people like, you think you're a top and then I dated this guy and he wanted to top me and I was so in love with him. I was like, oh, okay. Like let's try. I mean, people, these, these loud bottoms seem to love this. So what do they know? And apparently, and apparently our G-spot is up there.

• 28:39Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  So let's, let's find out. So anyway, and it was so profound. Like by the, I mean, obviously it hurt, whatever, I got there. But like, the act of receiving someone inside you is so spiritually different than putting yourself in someone else.

• 28:55Dax Shepard?

  Did the trust involved and all that?

• 28:57Speaker 02

  It is. And I can't get pregnant.

• 28:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  But it's like that act, and it felt weirdly so much more powerful. Like, I was like, I decide if you can come in here.

• 29:08Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 29:09Speaker 02

  And it was like so, it expanded my worldview. And I was like, everybody that doesn't do this is like missing a major like code.

• 29:17Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:18Speaker 02

  But then I'm still predominantly a top.

• 29:20Dax Shepard?

  Right, right, right.

• 29:21Speaker 02

  But it was.

• 29:22Dax Shepard?

  That makes a ton of sense to me.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  It was a very profound exchange to learn in your thirties. I was like, wow, there's like parts of my body that I didn't even know were there. And then there's all these people in the world who have no idea.

• 29:33Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, like a friend of mine, I won't say his name, but the one who's informed me on most of my knowledge. Yeah, his thing is he rides guys and he is either jerking off or they jerk him off. And I was like, yeah, that sounds fucking radical. Like you have, things are happening everywhere. Yeah, that sounds like an all encompassing experience to be riding a dick and jerking off.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  A little jealous.

• 29:57Dax Shepard?

  Totally.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  It's fun to think that you have a sexual life and then you like as you're learning and you're experiencing and trying new things with your own body and what theirs like it's kind of a fun.

• 30:07Dax Shepard?

  And you're also getting into the magic of sex, which is, I think it's this opportunity to physically display the level of trust you have that the other person loves you and likes you. And there's nothing you could do that would be gross or disgusting or off putting. It's like each layer, like I remember we were watching that great show Beef, the first season. And there was this super hot sex scene and like they spit in each other's mouths and that became a big topic in our circle and we were like, I don't get it. It's so disgusting. I'm gonna get it. And I go, that's the point. It's so offensive and gross, but two people have agreed that they trust each other to do it like that's, don't you see that's what's happening like?

• 30:46Speaker 02

  They want to become one. Take all my fluids.

• 30:49Dax Shepard?

  Take everything I've got and all the things I would never do because I'd be embarrassed. I'm gonna let you see like it's, it's a real display of trust. And I think it's rad. I mean, I would never be interested in BDSM, but that's like it at its zenith, right? Like, like you have the ability right now. I'm, I'm constrained. You could hurt me. I trust you so much that I know you can take me right to the point of almost hurting me. But I know you, you know, like I get it intellectually what's going on.

• 31:17Speaker 02

  I have a friend who's really, I don't know what it's called. He's really into being tied up. There's a term like, like where he's like hung like a chandelier.

• 31:25Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wow.

• 31:26Speaker 02

  And it's like, it's like, I mean, I can't even.

• 31:27Dax Shepard?

  Who has the time for this sex? That's my first thought of like, this is a construction project.

• 31:32Speaker 02

  It's not sex. It's like, it's like, it's sexually energized, but it's not, nothing's happening. He just like loves it.

• 31:40Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 31:40Speaker 02

  And I'm like, wow, there's so many things going on in our psyche.

• 31:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  Like we are, consciousness skips along the surface of what's really going on.

• 31:48Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 31:48Speaker 02

  Which I love.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  Sometimes I feel so normal.

• 31:51Dax Shepard?

  Kind of boring, right?

• 31:52Speaker 01

  I know, right?

• 31:54Dax Shepard?

  I'm like, can't a guy just hop on missionary pump a couple of times?

• 31:57Speaker 01

  I always thought I was crazy, but until the fucking all this came, the internet, I'm like, oh, I guess I'm not even crazy at all.

• 32:04Dax Shepard?

  Okay. So back to your partner. How far did you expand your radius? Obviously not to Tokyo, but.

• 32:09Speaker 02

  I made it to 60 miles, which is as big as you can go.

• 32:12Dax Shepard?

  Okay, 60 miles.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  And he was 58 miles away.

• 32:15Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 32:17Dax Shepard?

  No way, Jed.

• 32:19Speaker 02

  I mean, there's confirmation bias there because I mean, that is as far as you can go, but like then I met him and we fell in love. So it's like, if I hadn't, I would have kept expanding my radius in other ways. So it's like.

• 32:29Dax Shepard?

  That is a thing that worked for you. So now that's the solution.

• 32:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like you find your keys where they last were. It's like the, the search is over.

• 32:37Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, right.

• 32:37Speaker 02

  So I remember I got really mystery sick when my first book came out.

• 32:41Dax Shepard?

  What's mystery sick?

• 32:42Speaker 02

  Meaning I went to the ER 10 times and I did every test. They drained me of my blood and they couldn't solve it.

• 32:48Dax Shepard?

  Oh, what were your symptoms?

• 32:49Speaker 02

  Uh, I lost 30 pounds. I would sweat a bucket of sweat every night. I would have to, I would sleep on six towels and peel them away throughout the night.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 32:59Dax Shepard?

  So it's like Dengue fever.

• 33:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it would shake and it was like six weeks.

• 33:03Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  And then my book came out and it went away.

• 33:05Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  Which is, my friends like it's psychosomatic. You were so afraid that this book was going to blow up your life, that your body was trying to stop you.

• 33:12Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  All they'll say, I went back to the doctor for my like final checkup and I was like, well, do you want to keep doing these tests to figure out? And she goes, no. Like you probably don't want to. It's expensive and like it went away. She's like, this happens all the time. People don't want to keep going to the hospital. So they just stop.

• 33:29Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 33:29Speaker 02

  And then they never solve it. She was like, this is a tale as old as time. There's so many mystery things.

• 33:34Dax Shepard?

  You know, I had an expert on and she was a neurologist in England. And of course the national health service there, you have better access to group data and stuff. So what she had found in neurology was that 30% of the people having seizures did not have epilepsy. And in fact, you would go like, okay, so it's psychosomatic. And she's like, that term really means nothing. They're having seizures. And in fact, people who don't have epilepsy, who have seizures have them more often. It's actually worse. And our treatment currently is just to go like, well, you don't have epilepsy. So it's all in your head.

• 34:09Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 34:10Dax Shepard?

  And then people's like, well, now what?

• 34:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:12Dax Shepard?

  Right? I'm still suffering. She, and her whole thing was like, we've got to figure out how to treat these people. And this notion that's like psychosomatic is you throw that away. She said she started talking to other department heads and she said, in the cardiology department, 30% of all heart attacks are not results of heart disease.

• 34:29Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 34:29Dax Shepard?

  And it's almost standard of this 30% number is, is psychosomatic, but it's like, who cares?

• 34:37Speaker 02

  Right. But it still happens. 30% is a huge amount.

• 34:39Dax Shepard?

  Yes. A good deal of the people they're seeing, they don't have a treatment for. You need cognitive behavioral therapy. You need all these different things. And so we're ill-equipped to deal with those people. We're just like, get them out of here. I, I deal with epilepsy. I can treat with this drug. You know, stints for this. And so they just don't have any tools, but it's a huge percentage of people suffering from these things.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Aaron, are you in a relationship?

• 35:03Speaker 01

  That's wild. Yeah, I'm married.

• 35:05Speaker 02

  Uh, do you have doggy children? Do you have human children?

• 35:07Speaker 01

  I have human children with my ex-wife.

• 35:11Speaker 02

  How old are they?

• 35:11Speaker 01

  14, 15, 19.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  Are you guessing or is that?

• 35:17Speaker 01

  No. You know, when they start.

• 35:20Speaker 02

  1% or is that 30?

• 35:21Speaker 01

  Well, I don't know if you know, but like I start thinking how close my one daughter is to 16 and I, and I want to say six. I'm like, no, she's still 15.

• 35:31Dax Shepard?

  And then you start trying to do the math of when this episode will come out. I don't want to get it wrong.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:37Speaker 02

  Oh yeah. I was 40. I was 40 for two years because I was like, I'm basically 40.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:42Dax Shepard?

  Right, right.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  But yeah, Jed, I got sober almost seven years ago. And the reason I'm saying it is a year after I got sober, I met my now wife. And she was living out here in Long Beach. She now lives in Michigan.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  So yeah, it's been awesome.

• 35:58Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 35:59Dax Shepard?

  I love your word choice there. You said, my now wife. I hear sometimes people say my current wife, which seems to imply it might not be permanent, right? But I, I can easily say current wife. It feels natural to say, but when I hear it, I'm always like, that doesn't feel terribly committed.

• 36:17Speaker 02

  My wife for now.

• 36:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. So anyway, we've been, we're kind of, not quite newly, but it's been a few years now, four years.

• 36:25Speaker 02

  That leads me to my question, which I want to ask you both is now that I have a good thing that's going well, and I've been on such a journey. I was like virgin till I was 30, had my first kiss at 28, like.

• 36:37Dax Shepard?

  Listen to the I'm sharing expert episode with Jed.

• 36:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But so I was, and then I spent my 30s as my rum springer tasting the rainbow and having my heart broken left and right. And then I really found this guy, which is really going well, but I really also feel like there's some, I had to go down all those avenues and try all those things and get hurt by them to realize and reach 40. Where I really felt something shift. And I was like, why am I chasing idiots when I should be chased? Why shouldn't I accept? Like, would you say with the amazing women in your life? You reached a place where you could receive them or they were just always going to be meant for you if you met them when you were 19? Did it matter what place you were?

• 37:18Dax Shepard?

  Well, this has been explained to me by several gay friends of mine, and I really do co-sign on this, which is so often you were having the relationships I had in seventh grade.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 37:28Dax Shepard?

  And in ninth grade and in, you know.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 37:30Dax Shepard?

  But by the time I graduated, you know, that girlfriend I had in my senior year, we were together for five years. It was a very substantial relationship. You learn a lot. And then when I meet Bree in my twenties, I've already had a five year relationship. So it's like, yeah, of course you are learning to value yourself. Wait to someone that really is into you is into you, all those kinds of things. But I think you really figured that out in high school really kind of quickly. I think you get burned.

• 37:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 37:55Dax Shepard?

  You realize you were an idiot. You know, all these things are accelerated, I think, if you're straight and growing up in the eighties. You're probably where I was at, you know, when I met Bree, you know, who I was with for nine years.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:08Dax Shepard?

  Have you seen this data? I think this is really, really, there's a lot of comedy in it. There's a lot of social science in it. You know this divorce rates statistics that are out?

• 38:17Speaker 02

  Like 51% or what? I don't know. I don't.

• 38:18Dax Shepard?

  Oh no, it's, um, what do, who do you think is the highest divorce rate?

• 38:22Speaker 02

  Oh, like between groups?

• 38:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 38:24Speaker 02

  Straight people?

• 38:24Dax Shepard?

  Uh, lesbians.

• 38:25Speaker 02

  Really?

• 38:26Dax Shepard?

  They have the highest divorce rate. And then who do you think's second? I mean, don't outsmart it. Who would you think would be second?

• 38:31Speaker 02

  Well, I thought straight people.

• 38:32Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, right. So you gotta go straight people now, right? Yeah, they're straight people. And then gay men have the lowest divorce rate.

• 38:38Speaker 02

  Which is shocking.

• 38:39Dax Shepard?

  And I think that's very counterintuitive, right? And I've talked to a few friends of mine who are gay and in relationships and I've asked how would they explain that? And I want to know what, what your explanation is.

• 38:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:51Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, hit me.

• 38:52Speaker 02

  Because we don't have a biological clock. I don't think we're in a hurry to get married. So you're probably not getting married at 23. And so you're actually having lots of sexual experiences. So if you're, are, are going to settle down with someone, you've had all the sex you want for now. Then you settle down and now you've actually found a partner that works well for your life and they have good interior design taste and they like nice sushi.

• 39:13Dax Shepard?

  Sure, sure.

• 39:13Speaker 02

  So then, and then it's, it's actually in gay culture, not that big of a deal to be like, should we sleep around a little bit and I'll just see you tonight? I would say that's biological because it must be a biological response by a female to be like, don't sleep around because A, you're going to impregnate someone else. Or I could get impregnated. Like that's not fun for me. And they, we've had to think that way for three million years. So like it's new to be free in that way, but gay men don't have that fear. So it doesn't create that same sense of like, you're abandoning me.

• 39:44Dax Shepard?

  I love that theory.

• 39:47Dax Shepard?

  Stay tuned for more Mom's Car. Aaron, you're making dinner for a friend and you're ordering groceries on Uber Eats. What is the signature dish you're going to hit them with?

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Pot roast.

• 39:57Dax Shepard?

  Oh baby, I had it last night. I'm so glad you picked that.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  You knew I was going to say that.

• 40:02Dax Shepard?

  And guess what, girl? You were out of potatoes and you Uber Eats those sons of guns.

• 40:06Speaker 01

  I Uber Eats potatoes, carrots, onions, some beef broth.

• 40:12Dax Shepard?

  It came in 25 and we killed the whole thing in 15.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:15Dax Shepard?

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• 40:57Dax Shepard?

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• 41:10Dax Shepard?

  I'm glad I heard the first part. That's a, that's a very thoughtful part about the risk that you take on. As a woman versus a man. Although in a lesbian relationship, that's not really that present.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:23Dax Shepard?

  As far as like whether you're gonna carry a child or not.

• 41:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 41:27Dax Shepard?

  But the friends I've asked, they're like, well, yeah, most long-term married gay guys, or many of them, let's say, are in open relationships.

• 41:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:36Dax Shepard?

  And so I think that's wonderfully counterintuitive and a fun.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 41:43Dax Shepard?

  Bit of data, right?

• 41:44Speaker 02

  I'm one of these like degenerate millennials where I watch a lot of YouTube. Like I watch more YouTube. I remember there was like a, there was a stat that said YouTube just surpassed Netflix.

• 41:55Dax Shepard?

  It's more than all of the streamers combined.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  Incredible.

• 41:58Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:58Speaker 02

  So anyway, I, I, I contribute. My algorithm knows me so well and it showed, it showed me this like animated history of homosexuality in ancient Rome.

• 42:06Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  And I was like, click.

• 42:08Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:08Speaker 02

  Cause I wanna know, cause also when you're dealing with your sexuality and you're, you live in the South and in Southern Baptist culture. And I remember learning that everyone was gay in ancient Greece. So it's like, what's going on?

• 42:19Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  And.

• 42:20Dax Shepard?

  It's always been to me a really interesting, hard to avoid fact when people say it's biological. So I'm like, it may be biological, it's also certainly cultural.

• 42:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:31Dax Shepard?

  Because the biology of Greek men didn't change.

• 42:33Speaker 02

  Right, right, right.

• 42:34Dax Shepard?

  But they don't do that, you know?

• 42:36Speaker 02

  Well, so.

• 42:36Dax Shepard?

  Christianity came along.

• 42:37Speaker 02

  This, I forget if it was Greece or Rome. I think it was Rome. Cause it was Caesar's. So it was very common in ancient Rome. Especially men of power, men of status had tween prepubescent boys or early puberty boys as concubines, sex slaves, even though they were almost always married to a woman.

• 42:55Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  If you were a like prepubescent sex slave boy for a Caesar, it was very good for your standing in society. You could like kind of rise up there. It's like good for your family.

• 43:04Dax Shepard?

  You had to cut the line for the bread shit, yeah.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  But some of these Caesars would fall in love with these boys, of course.

• 43:09Dax Shepard?

  Sure.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  But they were saying it's actually hard to call them gay or straight because the sexuality back then was purely power-based. Are you higher status, lower status, whatever? So that sort of like what we were talking about earlier is like, do you find me sexy? It's like, are you powerful bestowing your attention on me? I'm aroused or whatever.

• 43:26Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 43:27Speaker 02

  And back then heterosexual sex was so dangerous because like one in three women died in childbirth. And so if you really loved your wife, you didn't have sex with her very often.

• 43:38Dax Shepard?

  Whoa.

• 43:39Speaker 02

  You did it to have heirs and you, cause you were afraid it would kill her.

• 43:42Dax Shepard?

  Wow.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  And so they would get their rocks off with these boys. And so there's so much, and then a lot of that's happening and then they're falling in love with these boys and they have concomitant like relationships with them, whatever. I thought that was so interesting.

• 43:54Dax Shepard?

  Well, also the other explanation I heard was like, you know, these war campaigns were sometimes five years that they would have left Rome or left Athens and they're out there gonna, you know, fight whoever, uh, fucking one year walk away. And then the battles are slow, you know, whatever. Like so they're all just with men. And then you get more the prison phenomena where there are men, I just had an expert on talking about this.

• 44:21Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm gonna listen to that.

• 44:22Dax Shepard?

  Men that in prison, of course, are having sex with other men, but then they get out and they don't. So, you know, the, the flexibility of human sexuality is on display even like in front of us currently. And then back then, yeah, that makes sense. And it was, yeah, said to me that basically it was like older soldiers had younger soldier lovers.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:40Dax Shepard?

  Cause what the fuck else were they gonna do for five years?

• 44:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:43Dax Shepard?

  Be sexual beings.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  I'm curious, like in places when stigma is removed, what is the actual percentage of people that would experiment and play? Like if they're truly, there was no energy put towards it negative at all. It's just like, do whatever you want.

• 44:57Dax Shepard?

  I challenge myself with this, right? So like, as you know, you've known me for twenty, nineteen years now. I was the one who took you to lunch and said, Jed, you gotta be with other men, dude.

• 45:07Speaker 02

  I know.

• 45:07Dax Shepard?

  You cannot, God does not want you to be lonely your whole life. That cannot be the plan, right?

• 45:12Speaker 02

  It's so true.

• 45:12Dax Shepard?

  So I couldn't be more supportive of it. And even like, I try to watch a very popular show that was out recently that everyone loved. And when the gay sex starts, I'm just like, yeah, I don't enjoy watching this, right? Cause I don't want to be doing that. So I can't put myself in either of these people's shoes. And then I do go, it's so weird that I'm, I've always been so comfortable with it. And yet for me, it's just insanely clear that's not anything that would ever give me a boner.

• 45:41Speaker 02

  I think that's the concept creep of people being okay with it almost being like a tell that they are. Where it's like, I couldn't have had more pressure to be straight.

• 45:50Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  It would have been so socially beneficial. It would have been familiably beneficial. It would have changed. And yet I cannot be with a woman and I'm not against it.

• 45:58Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  I, I love women and I'm glad they're beautiful to some people.

• 46:01Dax Shepard?

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 46:03Speaker 02

  So all that to say, like, the spectrum is wide and there are many people clumped at the ends of the spectrum. But I'm curious how many people fall in the middle.

• 46:11Dax Shepard?

  Did you see the Charlie Sheen documentary?

• 46:13Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 46:14Dax Shepard?

  Fuck, now that.

• 46:15Speaker 02

  What a hit.

• 46:17Dax Shepard?

  Something.

• 46:18Speaker 02

  Don't say, cause I mean, we can talk about it as if you, I, I actually don't hate spoilers when something's been out for a year.

• 46:24Dax Shepard?

  No, yeah, and people will be like, don't say that, like, how long are we gonna fucking wait for you? Like you're fucking lazy and I gotta now, I can't mount this topic for the rest of my life. Cause you can't get around to watching Game of Thrones.

• 46:36Speaker 02

  Where do you fall on this line? I think now we've reached, there is a generation of people who have never seen The Sixth Sense.

• 46:42Dax Shepard?

  Sure, sure.

• 46:43Speaker 02

  They're like, I.

• 46:43Dax Shepard?

  But I bet they know the ending of Sixth Sense.

• 46:45Speaker 02

  But what if they don't?

• 46:46Dax Shepard?

  They do. I think, I was just talking about this with Monica, like the amount of books I could tell you about who wrote them, the title, what the book's about. I haven't read it because it's common knowledge.

• 46:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:57Dax Shepard?

  There's just so many I know. I know the story of them. Or if even someone's trying to think of it, I'll say, oh, that's that book.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 47:04Dax Shepard?

  I haven't read it, but I know it. And I just have to imagine since The Sixth Sense has been such a punchline for decades now that probably everyone knows.

• 47:13Speaker 02

  I don't know. I think people don't know.

• 47:17Dax Shepard?

  But I know what you're saying.

• 47:18Speaker 02

  They don't know.

• 47:19Dax Shepard?

  You feel bad of robbing someone of that joy you experienced not knowing.

• 47:24Speaker 02

  I will never forget that moment.

• 47:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah. There's a few incredible ones. Usual suspects has a, oh, yeah, what a moment.

• 47:33Speaker 02

  Don't spoil that.

• 47:36Speaker 02

  That one's too good.

• 47:37Dax Shepard?

  That's more important. I've decided that one's more important.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, but also that one maybe more people haven't seen it cause it's not as like I see.

• 47:44Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I think Sixth Sense is ubiquitous. Okay, so now you extend your range. He's fifty-eight or nine miles from you. And then what's the next?

• 47:52Speaker 02

  By the way, sorry, five miles is the, the minimum, right?

• 47:56Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  And you went from the minimum. No, no, no, there, there were months, like there were years where I was expanding or like over the course of a year.

• 48:03Dax Shepard?

  You jumped from uh, your apartment building.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  Well, because I mean, listen, we, we deliver Uber Eats to Pasadena, but like that's, in LA, that's far for, to risk for a date. I mean, I had to learn the hard way, like you don't go to dinner, you go to coffee or a beer. Like you need to be in and out. You have to have a fake reason to only have an hour. Because you can tell the vibe in five minutes.

• 48:26Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I know I've told you this, but my favorite part of hearing my friend's journey on Grindr, which he used excessively, one might say. He's got every experience I think you can have on it.

• 48:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:38Dax Shepard?

  And he was saying, you know, there's all these customs, which is you have the dude over to your house. It's customary to offer him a water. And it's also known, you shouldn't accept it. I was like, already that's hilarious that that is like figured out.

• 48:54Speaker 02

  That's deeper than I know.

• 48:56Dax Shepard?

  Okay. And he's like, yeah, so you know, the guy comes over, I offer him a water, he doesn't take it and we kiss it for a second and then I, I look at his dick. And if it's not as advertised, I come up and I go, oh, I don't think we're a match. And the guy goes, okay, cool. And then he leaves. And I said, I wanna say his name. I'm gonna call him Mike. Let me tell you, if I met a woman somewhere, I kissed her for a few minutes, pulled her pants down, looked at her pussy and said, we're not a match. That would ruin that person's life. I can't even imagine how cruel that would be. And I'm like, this sounds awesome.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. But there has to be.

• 49:36Dax Shepard?

  Cut to the chase.

• 49:38Speaker 02

  Doesn't, doesn't the straight world have field? Have you heard of this?

• 49:41Dax Shepard?

  No, what's that?

• 49:43Speaker 02

  My understanding field, I, I've never looked at it. I've heard people talk about it, is like the straight grinder. It's like, Oh. It's like hook on, it's like very clear. I want you to come over here and whatever, slap my ass and leave in five seconds, whatever it is. Like you could be, it's, it's like the free for all, do whatever you want. Put it out there and see if, like go fishing and see who bites.

• 50:03Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 50:04Speaker 02

  And people like are loving it. And so all that to say.

• 50:08Dax Shepard?

  I would love to see the breakdown of their hours of max activity, right? Cause it's gotta just, I think when women are hammered.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:16Dax Shepard?

  They're far more likely, you know, I just wonder if that thing at like drunk drinking hours just is night and day. Grindr's hot all day.

• 50:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 50:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 50:25Speaker 02

  All day, all night.

• 50:26Dax Shepard?

  Do you think you've ever looked at a pussy and would have said no?

• 50:30Speaker 02

  No.

• 50:30Dax Shepard?

  No, of course not. Even if I didn't love it.

• 50:33Speaker 02

  I was trying to think, have I ever looked at pussy and? Do you really look at them?

• 50:38Dax Shepard?

  Oh God, yeah. Well, in the same way you imagine you love penises, right?

• 50:41Speaker 02

  I do.

• 50:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  But I love asses more.

• 50:44Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great. I love asses too. But I love vaginas. I love areolas. I love nipples. I like, I like.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  You like see a naked woman and be like, look at that.

• 50:54Dax Shepard?

  I can't wait to see her vagina. Hole.

• 50:58Speaker 02

  I know. I do go right for the asshole.

• 51:00Dax Shepard?

  I remember, and this was kind of telling, it saddened me when I was talking to Kristin one time, and I said, if you lined up 10 of your ex's penises in a photograph, would you be able to say whose was who? And she goes, no. And I'm like, oh, my God. That like the amount of worry men have about whether the girl likes your penis, and it's not even committed to memory.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  No.

• 51:23Dax Shepard?

  And she goes, could you line up vaginas? And I go, oh, yes. And I would do very well.

• 51:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 51:29Dax Shepard?

  And she's like, how? They don't even look different. And I'm like, you don't know what you're talking about. They look so different. And that's part of the excitement is the novelty.

• 51:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:38Dax Shepard?

  Also, like, girls will stress out about, I hear this, you know, they, they, they have fear that their vaginas don't look right. This was in the Goop, Gwyneth Paltrow documentary.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 51:47Dax Shepard?

  And I was like, you guys don't get it. If it doesn't look different, that's thrilling. This is like so memorable. And this is a new thing I get to experience. And it's like, there's no.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  Can it look bad?

• 51:59Dax Shepard?

  I mean, you have your preferences for sure, right? Like, you'll talk to guys and like, they hate hair. Other guys love hair. I grew up in the eighties looking at a Playboy and a woman had a bush. Like, that was, that's what delineated her from young kids or whatever.

• 52:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:15Dax Shepard?

  It just was like womanliness. So I like it both ways. But I like, I love that. But I know a lot of younger guys are like, oh, no, I don't even want to fuck with that. And I'm like, I don't, what's wrong with you?

• 52:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, give it to me.

• 52:27Dax Shepard?

  Also, beggars cannot be choosers. What are we talking about?

• 52:31Speaker 02

  You must be doing great.

• 52:32Dax Shepard?

  There'll be guys that are like, oh, they hate long labia. And I'm like, fucking rad. Let's go. But some dudes are pick, but there's also dudes that don't like feet and shit. I'm like, what is wrong with you? You fucking, here's a tip, don't look at her fucking feet. And you gotta go out of your way to see someone's feet.

• 52:48Speaker 02

  Could you look at, if you isolated, if you isolated boobs of a lot of people, could you tell who it was?

• 52:55Dax Shepard?

  Yes. I can see them now. I don't even, I don't even need to see the photo. I can see it perfectly in my head.

• 53:02Speaker 02

  I don't think I could do nipples, but that's not surprising.

• 53:04Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, they're not heavily involved in the activity.

• 53:07Speaker 02

  They're around.

• 53:08Dax Shepard?

  For men, right?

• 53:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 53:10Dax Shepard?

  But penises, you would know, right? You would know.

• 53:12Speaker 02

  I would know the major players. There's been like, there's been some drunken nights where who knows what I saw.

• 53:18Dax Shepard?

  Well, yeah. And also, look, I was a bit addicted to it, and I was famous for a while. So yeah, I had a moment.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  Relationships and situationships. Did you ever go into a girl's apartment or and you're like, I can't do this. You're disgusting.

• 53:32Dax Shepard?

  Oh, God, no.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  Oh, were you asking me? Yeah. Both of you.

• 53:38Dax Shepard?

  I've gone into some.

• 53:38Speaker 02

  I fuck with one and a half. Okay, well, what about one and done?

• 53:41Dax Shepard?

  Big style.

• 53:43Speaker 02

  I have fucked an actual pink. You're like, I can't be around those.

• 53:47Dax Shepard?

  Not in garbage. No, you, you clock that you won't probably be in a relationship with this person.

• 53:56Dax Shepard?

  Do you want to hear my breakthrough when I realized I had a problem?

• 53:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 54:00Dax Shepard?

  I'll just say another experience, just so maybe you'll know what I'm talking about. When I decided to, that I was gonna ask Kristin to marry me, and I was gonna buy an engagement ring. And I went to the store and I, I got the ring. And we're at the point where he's asking for the credit card. And as I'm handing him my credit card, I stop. And I'm like, oh, my God, what is this? I'm having a very, very, very specific feeling that I've had before. And he's like, are you, and I go, oh, no, no, I'm sorry. Just, I just want to identify what this is. And then I was like, oh, I know what it is. It's the moment when they put the transfer on your arm for a tattoo and they peel it back, and you've got like a purple outline of it. And you go.

• 54:40Speaker 02

  Do I want that forever?

• 54:41Dax Shepard?

  It's permanent. Yeah. It's like the only permanent decision I'd ever made in my life.

• 54:46Speaker 02

  Incredible analogy.

• 54:47Dax Shepard?

  Was the tattoo. But it was unmistakable, right? It was just like this very specific sensorial experience.

• 54:53Speaker 02

  It's all been a chat and an idea until right now in this chair.

• 54:56Dax Shepard?

  So I had a period that was, you know, whatever, I was on MySpace at a period, and I had a lot of access, and I was on TV, and I would often have people over to the house that I didn't really know that well. And in general, we would do a tour of the house. And for even shortly thereafter, there would be some lovemaking, right?

• 55:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:20Dax Shepard?

  And my house is not that big at the time, right?

• 55:24Speaker 02

  Because we're about to pass.

• 55:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, we're about to pass. It's a good sized house. It's 3,000 square feet.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  Nice house.

• 55:29Dax Shepard?

  But in general, the tour didn't take much longer than 10 minutes, right?

• 55:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 55:32Dax Shepard?

  And I remember I was showing this woman my office, and I had this like surge. And it's so embarrassing to admit, but I was like, oh, this tour is so long. And then I had this, and it was the same moment with the credit card where I go, oh, my God, wait, what is this? I know this feeling so well. I've been in this feeling so well. And I go, oh, my God. It was when I used to be at my drug dealer Tom's house, and he'd be measuring out shit. And he'd be telling me about his whole life.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 56:04Dax Shepard?

  And I wanted to scream, just give me a fucking bump of that. And then I'll sit here all night and listen to this. But the agony of watching him get distracted as he measured shit out, and the impatience, and I need to regulate now. That was the last, I had that connection. And I was like, oh, it's drugs, man. This is drugs. I'm using this like drugs. And I can't, I don't want to do this.

• 56:30Speaker 02

  This is taking too long.

• 56:32Dax Shepard?

  That is. Which I'm already in the most insanely spoiled situation where it's like, I didn't have to go out to a bar and fucking charm somebody, you know? It couldn't be easier. And even that's not easy enough because I need the medicine now. I want, I'm fucking dis, I'm in discomfort, and I know the solution, and I can't have it now. And I was like, oh, yeah, I hate this.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  I don't know what I was listening to, but this guy who talks to a lot of billionaires, and he was asked, like, what is, what have you learned about them, about being in such proximity to these rich people? And he said, I've learned you cannot outspend emotions. Like, it doesn't matter how rich you get, you, whatever that kid is that was bullied, that is left behind, that is like addicted, is gonna still be right there. Just, it's so funny how everything is transposed on everything else.

• 57:22Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 57:23Speaker 02

  And if you can figure out, it's like you keep saying, it's like, if you can actually get to the root of what that little kid needs, there's 50 other costumes it's wearing in your life.

• 57:31Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 57:32Speaker 02

  That if you whack them all your way across and you don't deal with that, nothing changes.

• 57:36Dax Shepard?

  Nothing changes. Yeah. And the thing I've observed about being around really, really rich people, and I also, anytime I watch a doc, like I watched this doc about the children of, um, who was that famous preacher? He became very political. He's got Jerry.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  Jerry Falwell.

• 57:50Dax Shepard?

  Right. And then his, his, I think is the son of, he got in a mix up, right? He and his wife were swinging. Remember this?

• 57:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Liberty University.

• 57:58Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I watched that documentary. And I kind of had sympathy for them because I, I know what goes on. Uh, and I myself even experienced, it's like, you've had this fantasy your entire life that I will get rich, and it'll feel this way. And then you get rich, and you feel the exact same way. So you go, fuck, that wasn't it. What more can we throw at this?

• 58:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:22Dax Shepard?

  Maybe if we had a more exciting sex life. Maybe that'll give me this feeling I was promised. And I just think it's, yeah, that hedonic treadmill that is, is, is, you can't get satiated and you, you don't get elation from any of the activities, and you were promised elation. And you just keep adding shit. Well, maybe we should do drugs. Maybe we should be swinging. And you just, you don't get there. There is no there.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  And it's scary when you get to the top of the top of the top, because then the public or the people below, they don't actually have sympathy for you. Because they're like, if I had your money, I wouldn't have that problem.

• 58:53Dax Shepard?

  You're incapable of having sympathy for people who are higher status than you basically. That's another thing that like the billionaires don't know is like, oh, it's gonna be very lonely as well. Because no one will ever, you could break your, like, honestly, if Jeff Bezos falls down a flight of stairs, I'm like, who gives a shit? He'll eventually stand up and be a hundred billionaire.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:12Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  He's making money out of laying there, made 14 million.

• 59:16Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, Monica, we hashed this out publicly on the fact, which is, we go to the Hanson's Christmas party, and there's a, a white elephant, right?

• 59:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:23Dax Shepard?

  And in the white elephant, sometimes there's kind of a high valued item that everyone wants. And I can't remember in this situation, it was maybe a gift card for a few hundred dollars or something. And Monica used her last thing, and she got it and froze it. And people were pissed.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 59:37Dax Shepard?

  And she's like, it's not fair. Like, I still want to play the game and play it the way it should be played. And I go, yes, I understand that desire. But you have to be realistic about the fact, like, would you like if Jeff Bezos ended up with the?

• 59:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 59:51Dax Shepard?

  And as much as you don't think you're Jeff Bezos, it's the same identical thing. You have more than everyone in the room. No one's gonna enjoy watching you get some more money.

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  It's so true.

• 1:00:01Dax Shepard?

  And you just gotta, that's part of the man.

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  The game of life.

• 1:00:04Dax Shepard?

  And it goes with it. So do you want it or not?

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. Jed, I'm so happy you did this. Oh, my God. I love this show.

• 1:00:11Dax Shepard?

  I'm gonna give you a compliment. I hope you hear it as such. There are only a few people, Angela Duckworth, um, Stephen Dubner, um, I'm forgetting some, where I don't have to do any research. It's so liberating. I go like, oh, Angela's coming. I don't need to worry about anything. She's an explosion of thoughts. And I'll ride the wave. And I just want to compliment you that you're the only guest on this show. Like, I didn't do, I didn't find out what you're up to. I don't know what book's coming out. I didn't learn any, I'm like, oh, Jed's here. He'll, he'll explode with fun ideas. And you did, and I love you.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  I love you.

• 1:00:45Dax Shepard?

  And I'm glad I got to see you because it's been too long.

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  I know. And I'm so happy I got to spend time with you.

• 1:00:49Dax Shepard?

  I know.

• 1:00:50Dax Shepard?

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