Lightning Round! with Chelsey Weber-Smith

Send your submissions for our Halloween Listener Spectacular (scary stories or Halloween nostalgia) to [email protected] before August 31st! How many maligned women can you name in 30 seconds? For this episode, Sarah gives Chelsey Weber-Smith of American Hysteria a lightning round pop quiz on You’re Wrong About topics over the years with stakes so high that you’ll have to hear them to believe them. Digressions include an evil preteen softball team, the alternative pronunciation of pasta, horror movie publicity stunts, and at what point an infant becomes a baby. More Chelsey Weber-Smith: Listen to American Hysteria Follow American Hysteria on instagram Produced + edited by Miranda Zickler More You're Wrong About: Bonus Episodes on PatreonBuy cute merch YWA on Instagram Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Sarah Marshall?

  Being pressured to do scary things makes me feel included.

• 0:15Sarah Marshall?

  Why is there always a gnat in my wine?

• 0:18Speaker 01

  A gnat?

• 0:19Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, every time I drink wine, within five minutes, a gnat decides to die there.

• 0:25Speaker 01

  I don't know if I can tell the difference between a gnat and another winged insect.

• 0:30Sarah Marshall?

  The gnats are the really little ones that left to fly into my glasses of wine.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay. All right. I'm looking at a chart. Okay.

• 0:38Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 0:38Speaker 01

  Okay, sure.

• 0:39Sarah Marshall?

  They're really tiny. It's not like having a fly in there. That would be like really gross. And of course, an Alanis Morissette song.

• 0:45Speaker 01

  Of course, of course.

• 0:46Sarah Marshall?

  Rather ironic, if you will.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  Nothing more ironic than a bug in your wine.

• 0:53Sarah Marshall?

  Yes.

• 0:55Speaker 01

  This is our cold open?

• 0:56Sarah Marshall?

  Chelsea, who, who, who the fuck are you? Sorry for swearing, kids.

• 1:01Speaker 01

  I am a gnat. I am a big gnat.

• 1:05Sarah Marshall?

  You are a gnat. You're the, you're the gnat in the wine glass. You're the bay leaf in the potato salad.

• 1:11Speaker 01

  I'm the gnat of the podcasting world buzzing around.

• 1:15Sarah Marshall?

  Looking for some fruit in your kitchen.

• 1:18Speaker 01

  I would love some wine, though. I wouldn't mind being consumed in a wine glass currently.

• 1:23Sarah Marshall?

  In your next life, you can come back as a gnat in my wine.

• 1:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, that would be, I would be fine with that.

• 1:28Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 1:29Speaker 01

  Nice short life, you know? Nice, easy.

• 1:32Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, you're born, you fly into my wine, you pass away.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35Sarah Marshall?

  Probably pretty drunk.

• 1:36Speaker 01

  It's fine. But to me, it would seem like an eternity because all I have is my own context of time.

• 1:42Sarah Marshall?

  That's an interesting idea.

• 1:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44Sarah Marshall?

  Did you ever read, one person, when I say this, will be like, yes. Did you ever read, there's this Ursula Le Guin story, this was in this collection called The Compass Rose. It is called The Author of the Acacia Seeds. I remember my mom buying this book for me when I was 13 years old and getting in the car with her outside pals, which is a wonderful bookstore, but is much more of a gift shop than it used to be.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:07Sarah Marshall?

  In the 90s, it was really like a warehouse with a bunch of yellow books in it.

• 2:14Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:15Sarah Marshall?

  And it was so much better that way.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:17Sarah Marshall?

  You know, because it's nice for things to be new and shiny and well organized and have polite people working there. But at what cost?

• 2:25Speaker 01

  There are limits.

• 2:28Sarah Marshall?

  You're from Seattle, you know.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  I do, I do. We've ruined everything here. Yeah.

• 2:33Sarah Marshall?

  But I remember sitting in my mom's car on a summer's day, she drove, I don't know which direction on Burnside, but you know, back towards our house. I should know this.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  Lot of detail.

• 2:44Sarah Marshall?

  I would say east to get on the freeway.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  This is like a fiction writer when it's like way too much detail. They're like, we passed 123 Sycamore Street.

• 2:53Sarah Marshall?

  I really struggle with that. Yeah. And I remember reading this story and it was just such a beautiful moment of like, my mom was like knocking it out of the park when I was 13 with presents, I think, 13, 14.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Sounds like it.

• 3:05Sarah Marshall?

  Because she was like, oh, she's depressed. So she bought me my first Leonard Cohen album when I turned 14.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 3:14Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  Love that.

• 3:16Sarah Marshall?

  Yes.

• 3:16Speaker 01

  We just love your mom here in podcasting.

• 3:19Sarah Marshall?

  We love, in this house, we love my mom. Yeah.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  But anyway, what about your friggin' story?

• 3:28Sarah Marshall?

  What about my friggin' story? All right, Chelsea.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  Let's get there, Sarah.

• 3:34Sarah Marshall?

  We were heading down Burnside in July 2008, one. We had no white onions because of the Spanish-American War.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

• 3:49Sarah Marshall?

  That was back when Nichols had bees on him. Give me five bees for a quarter, he'd say.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  Because that was the style at the time.

• 3:59Sarah Marshall?

  Um, okay. But anyway, yes, I remember reading this story and just that moment in time. And the, it's a wonderful collection of stories by Ursula Le Guin that are just sort of like speculative fiction, as we would call it today, in the most sort of like nimble and weird and feminist way. And the first story is about like, it's this theoretical academic paper about discovering poetry written by an ant on seed husks and like their interpretation of like what this worker ant who secretly wrote poetry was trying to say.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 4:33Sarah Marshall?

  I know.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  Wow. That is a very you story. And I was like watching this ant, like maybe today or maybe yesterday, like walk across a log at the beach, carrying this big ass thing. And I was like, revolt. You can turn around. You don't have to bring that to the queen. You can be free. Don't do it.

• 4:54Sarah Marshall?

  You can eat your crumb yourself, but ants don't want to live alone up there, you know? We have to live with that. They don't want to be rescued, the ants.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  And then I Googled, do bugs have brains?

• 5:06Sarah Marshall?

  Do they? Probably little tiny ones, right?

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, little tiny brains. Yeah.

• 5:10Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, great.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  That was my day at the beach.

• 5:14Sarah Marshall?

  Perfect.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  But that is a lovely story. I do love that.

• 5:17Sarah Marshall?

  Yes, everyone should read it. It's called The Compass Rose. It's great. Okay, so Chelsea, what we're doing today is a little quiz. It is the summer. It is hot. Some of us are having thunderstorms and lightning, not in the Northwest, really, sadly. We don't really have that hardly ever here.

• 5:33Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. Once in a while.

• 5:35Sarah Marshall?

  And as we were recording this, I hear, I hear Chelsea, that the, I feel like Johnny Carson, that the temperature in Paris, France is 110.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 5:45Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, weird, wild stuff.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  Yes, weird, wild stuff. I do feel like you've taken on a completely new tone.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  Pretty crazy, that old climate change.

• 6:00Sarah Marshall?

  It's just, it's a scary time. And I am amazed at how close Ursula Le Guin got to the truth of how time has passed and that things that we used to know continue to exist but are melting, interestingly, literally and figuratively.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:18Sarah Marshall?

  And so that has nothing to do, or maybe it has something to do with today's episode, which is like, okay, this is my rationale, I realize subliminally, is that it's hot, there's lightning, we're going to have a lightning round episode. I have 20 questions for you. We're going to give you one point per question.

• 6:35Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:36Sarah Marshall?

  Some are going to be easier, some are going to be harder, but I don't want to make it complicated for myself to score you.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Okay, all right.

• 6:42Sarah Marshall?

  Because it's been a long semester.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  Oh, dear. Okay, all right.

• 6:47Sarah Marshall?

  Are you excited?

• 6:48Speaker 01

  I'm excited. I love lightning.

• 6:51Sarah Marshall?

  Me too.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  So I'm going to carry that in my heart.

• 6:54Sarah Marshall?

  And we had a rainbows episode, so.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  But yes, I do feel nervous because I did not exactly know what this was going to be like. And now I'm being quizzed. And I do feel like this is a pop quiz.

• 7:06Sarah Marshall?

  It is a pop quiz, which is the most fun way to say that.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  So I'm sweating. I'm pulling my collar right now, being like, ooh.

• 7:14Sarah Marshall?

  Well.

• 7:15Speaker 01

  No, but I'm excited.

• 7:16Sarah Marshall?

  Good. Yeah, you're gonna do great.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  I don't have anything to be embarrassed about. I get zero points.

• 7:21Sarah Marshall?

  No, you don't.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  At least I'm fun. I'll always have that.

• 7:23Sarah Marshall?

  You are fun.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 7:25Sarah Marshall?

  And also, I will be surprised if you get zero, but let's, do you want to decide what the kind of scoring scale is?

• 7:30Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 7:31Sarah Marshall?

  I was thinking that if you win, if you get like 15 to 20 points, you can make me high five you while you have one of those little gunpowder things that you talked about in the firecrackers episode. And I will do my second least favorite thing, something involving a loud sound.

• 7:47Speaker 01

  Ooh, interesting.

• 7:50Sarah Marshall?

  First least favorite thing, crowds.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  I like, I like that my winnings are your punishment.

• 7:57Sarah Marshall?

  I thought you might enjoy that.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  I actually do.

• 8:00Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  But for anyone who did not listen to our fireworks episode, what Sarah is talking about is that my brother Riley, who's our associate producer over at American hysteria, and I invented this game with those little poppets, which you guys may know as those little tiny like white bags of, I think, gunpowder that are like twisted at the top.

• 8:23Sarah Marshall?

  I saw them at Safeway yesterday.

• 8:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're everywhere. One of the only fireworks that, I think, I think you can get them everywhere.

• 8:29Sarah Marshall?

  Hopefully, they're made out of something safer than that, but who knows?

• 8:32Speaker 01

  No, I don't know.

• 8:33Sarah Marshall?

  They probably just are.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  They probably just are. But my brother and I invented putting like about three of them between each of your fingers and then high fiving each other.

• 8:43Sarah Marshall?

  Oh, my God.

• 8:44Speaker 01

  Doesn't hurt.

• 8:44Sarah Marshall?

  I'm not doing three.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  But it does sound awesome and it looks awesome.

• 8:49Sarah Marshall?

  Oh, oh, my God, Chelsea.

• 8:52Speaker 01

  You brought this to me.

• 8:54Sarah Marshall?

  I know. I want to, I want to inspire you to do a really great job.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  Okay, well, we'll videotape it if I do win and we will pop it up on the old, the old Patreon. So.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  All right. I love it.

• 9:07Sarah Marshall?

  All right. And then, okay, and let's say between 15 and five is a tie.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:13Sarah Marshall?

  And I think for a tie, you and I should go on a roller coaster.

• 9:18Speaker 01

  Great.

• 9:18Sarah Marshall?

  Because that way, we're both happy.

• 9:20Speaker 01

  Like, we wouldn't do it anyway, but yes.

• 9:22Sarah Marshall?

  Well, yes, but it incentivizes us because it's part of a quiz. And then if it's, if you get five to zero points, it means you need more, you're wrong about reprogramming, if you will. And it means that we're going to go to a corn maze.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  That's, but that benefits me. I feel like.

• 9:42Sarah Marshall?

  But I don't, I, but I don't want to, listen, Chelsea, I don't wish you harm. I just wish you quiet things.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  And I was immediately like, Chelsea, I'm gonna do the pop.

• 9:52Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah. And I like to be dared to do stuff. It works out for everybody. Being pressured to do scary things makes me feel included.

• 10:01Speaker 01

  But now I'm thinking, should I have to buy an American Girl doll off eBay and display it in my house?

• 10:06Sarah Marshall?

  You can if you would like to.

• 10:08Speaker 01

  All right. No punishment for me. I win in every, every scenario.

• 10:12Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:13Sarah Marshall?

  Me too, basically.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 10:15Sarah Marshall?

  Okay, so we have 20 questions and I think we should set a time limit.

• 10:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 10:20Sarah Marshall?

  To keep it edgy. What do you think? 30 minutes? I feel about 30 minutes.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  30 minutes for total, or 30 minutes per question.

• 10:30Sarah Marshall?

  30 minutes total.

• 10:31Speaker 01

  Yes. Yeah, that's great. Should we have a timer per question or is it more like?

• 10:35Sarah Marshall?

  Let's just do it overall.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  All right, all right.

• 10:38Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah. And then, okay, and if you answer this question correctly, I will give you 10 extra minutes.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  This first question?

• 10:46Sarah Marshall?

  Yes.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  Oh, shit. Okay. All right.

• 10:48Sarah Marshall?

  Okay.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  I'm ready.

• 10:50Sarah Marshall?

  All right. What temperature approximately?

• 10:56Speaker 01

  I'm fucked. Okay, go ahead.

• 11:00Sarah Marshall?

  I guess we'll tell everybody that I grew up watching Alex Trebek on Jeopardy and I love him and I miss him every day. So approximately what temperature was the hot coffee that Stella Lebec spilled on herself in the infamous McDonald's hot coffee case of the 1990s?

• 11:20Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 11:21Sarah Marshall?

  Approximate temperature.

• 11:22Speaker 01

  Approximate temperature. I wanna say, I wanna say like, oh god, like 150?

• 11:32Sarah Marshall?

  Hmm.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Is that way too high?

• 11:34Sarah Marshall?

  No, it's not way too high.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Oh shit. Okay. All right. Is it like?

• 11:37Sarah Marshall?

  I'm gonna give you another chance. I want you to go higher.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  All right, I'll go higher. I like, don't know how temperature burned, but I know that she was much maligned.

• 11:45Sarah Marshall?

  Mm hmm.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  I'll say 200?

• 11:49Sarah Marshall?

  That's very close. It was estimated at 180 to 190 degrees.

• 11:54Speaker 01

  Ooh, boy.

• 11:56Sarah Marshall?

  Because that was the temperature that McDonald's was keeping coffee at, at that time, for some reason. If there was a reason for it, I forget it, but you could learn about it, if there is one, in our previous episode, the McDonald's hot coffee case.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  It's great. Definitely listen to that one.

• 12:11Sarah Marshall?

  Thank you, Kelsey.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  Oof. I mean, that story is just so wild.

• 12:14Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 12:15Speaker 01

  Okay, I guess we have to keep going. I guess we can't be chatting.

• 12:17Sarah Marshall?

  Well, I do want us to chat. We don't have to take this so seriously that we're not chatting.

• 12:23Speaker 01

  Oh, fuck. So much is at stake. Okay. All right.

• 12:27Sarah Marshall?

  Okay.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  I'm ready, though.

• 12:28Sarah Marshall?

  I'm gonna give you 40 minutes because you were very close to the actual temperature. You said 200. It was 180 to 190. And because you said kind words about Stella. All right, let's go.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 12:42Sarah Marshall?

  We all know, I hope, that in the 1994 Olympics in Lillehammer, Norway, Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan were competing for the United States in the figure skating competition in lady's singles. Who won the gold in ladies' figure skating that year?

• 13:02Speaker 01

  Oh, it's like, I wanna say Nancy, but I feel like maybe she got second. But I don't know any, I won't remember the other person's name, so I'm gonna go Nancy.

• 13:13Sarah Marshall?

  Hmm. She did come in second. She won the silver medal.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Okay, well, at least I knew that.

• 13:18Sarah Marshall?

  You did know that.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  What, who is it?

• 13:21Sarah Marshall?

  The winner of the gold that year was Oksana Bayul.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  Cool. Go for her.

• 13:26Sarah Marshall?

  She was competing for Ukraine. Yep. She had some fun numbers. She did like a Camus Saison swan ballet thing, which was very pretty for her exhibition. And she had like a, wore a lot of marabou, I think, and had like a Broadway medley. Nancy, interestingly, people don't talk about this enough, skated to a Neil Diamond medley for her long skate. And I think maybe, possibly her short program as well.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  What a surreal thing.

• 13:54Sarah Marshall?

  And it was beautiful.

• 13:56Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 13:57Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, is the thing. And it included a lot of Jonathan Livingston Seagull.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  Oh, I need to re-watch these.

• 14:03Sarah Marshall?

  I recommend them. They're very interesting. And to sort of watch that night of skating in sequence is fascinating. It's, it's an incredible drama.

• 14:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, she fought through, man.

• 14:12Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, they both did in their own way, you know?

• 14:15Speaker 01

  In their own way, absolutely. You know, it's, it's complicated.

• 14:18Sarah Marshall?

  So yeah, the gold went to Oksana Bayul. And what's interesting about that is that this is before they were using instant replay and figure skating judging. They just had these judges trying to like, do their best to see what was going on as it was happening. And so there was some controversy over the fact that while landing a jump, Oksana Bayul like, had two feet on the ice at a moment, I'm pretty sure when she wasn't supposed to.

• 14:41Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 14:41Sarah Marshall?

  And one of the judges arguably graded her in such a way as to imply that he hadn't seen that happening, because it would be really easy to miss it, because it was at the opposite end of a giant skating rink. And it was like, one little, I think, like, possibly even just a toe down where it shouldn't have been for like, a split second, you know?

• 15:02Speaker 01

  Do you think he had like, a motive for doing that? Or do you think it was like, an honest difference in?

• 15:07Sarah Marshall?

  I think it's just as easy to make the honest mistake and probably easier.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally.

• 15:12Sarah Marshall?

  I would be very interested to hear a broader expose about bribery in the skating world, because it does happen. I think probably more than any of us would like to believe.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, it happened when I was a kid in softball. We played this one game. And there was a ump that was, and we were in like, I was in select softball. So we were like, I had like, traveled. And we were-

• 15:32Sarah Marshall?

  I never knew this. That's exciting.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. And the umpire was obviously biased. There was like, this team that, like, they were like, the best team. And they were always like, in these really fancy uniforms, and they always played, I won't fucking call them out, but their name was Blank West, like, their town name, and then West. And so they'd play Wild Wild West when they came on the field. And it was so annoying. And the ump was calling for them. And I was just up on the fence in the, in the pen, just being like, what are you doing? Like, they were like, everyone was like, calm down. And we were just like, jeering. And we were so pissed. So it even happens at that low level of sporting.

• 16:12Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 16:12Speaker 01

  And I'll never forget my rage.

• 16:15Sarah Marshall?

  How old were you?

• 16:16Speaker 01

  I'm going with 11.

• 16:19Sarah Marshall?

  That's nuts. What is the point in racketeering around 11 year olds' sports teams?

• 16:25Speaker 01

  Dude, that, that team, like, there was, it was dark. There was a lot of dark stuff about Blank West.

• 16:32Sarah Marshall?

  Oh, no.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  Anyway, so, uh, who knows who should have won that, that skating competition. But yeah, good for her. Good for everyone.

• 16:42Sarah Marshall?

  It could just as well have been Nancy. Yeah. And from a certain perspective, i.e. my perspective, it really should have been.

• 16:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:49Sarah Marshall?

  Okay. You did great. I'm gonna give you half a point for that.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  I'll take it.

• 16:53Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah. Cause you knew that Nancy came in second. And then you second guessed yourself, but that's okay.

• 16:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:58Sarah Marshall?

  Okay. Name three Trials of the Sanctuary.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. I can do this.

• 17:05Sarah Marshall?

  These are trials, like, from the 20th century through today, that have been called the Trial of the Sanctuary in the media, or by pundits or lawyers at the time, of which there have been like, at least a couple dozen.

• 17:17Speaker 01

  So many. Leopold and Loeb.

• 17:20Sarah Marshall?

  Nice.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  I'll do, OJ.

• 17:24Sarah Marshall?

  Mm hmm.

• 17:25Speaker 01

  I'll do, okay, let's see. I know so many that I feel would qualify. I thought I would get this so easy.

• 17:37Sarah Marshall?

  You got two immediately.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  Let's go Menendez Brothers?

• 17:41Sarah Marshall?

  I can't confirm that based on my research, but I'm willing to believe that, you know?

• 17:46Speaker 01

  Okay. Let's see. What about, what about, uh, Lizzie Borden?

• 17:50Sarah Marshall?

  Well, okay, let me tell you something interesting. I believe, based on a couple of sources I read, that the first application of this term, and I think 1906, 1907, was to the trial, actually, two trials, because the first jury deadlocked, which I can't remember if that's different from a hung jury, but it didn't work out. So they had to have a second one. But the Trial of Harry C. Thaw for the murder of Stanford White, to defend allegedly the honor of his wife Evelyn Nesbit.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 18:17Sarah Marshall?

  Which happened, again, 1906, 1907. So that is like, arguably, by some, the like, first kind of like, use of that term, at least in print, that people have found in the record.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  Right. That's very interesting.

• 18:31Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, farther back, closer to that period, maybe. And I bet Menendez has been called that, by the way. We could quit now.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  Well, also, here's another one I'm gonna pitch.

• 18:40Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  I'm gonna pitch also, um, Patty Hearst trial, the SLA.

• 18:47Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, again, I don't, I don't know about that one, but I, I-

• 18:51Speaker 01

  I know. It's hard to count them all, because-

• 18:53Sarah Marshall?

  Right. Yeah. Cause there's tons that I haven't uncovered.

• 18:56Speaker 01

  Cause it's like, at least one person in the media has to call it that. And then it's like, I just, I come across it so often and everything. But tell me, tell me the year again of the first one.

• 19:06Sarah Marshall?

  1906 or so?

• 19:08Speaker 01

  1906. Well, we just did an episode about Belle Gunness, which I believe was called the Trial of the Century. Uh, well, no, because I didn't, no, that's not right. But that was right. Belle Gunness was like, a serial killer woman who killed through personal ads, which is a very interesting story. You can join our Patreon to learn more.

• 19:26Sarah Marshall?

  Oh.

• 19:27Speaker 01

  But, huh.

• 19:29Sarah Marshall?

  Can I tell you a couple that I have here?

• 19:31Speaker 01

  Go ahead, yes.

• 19:33Sarah Marshall?

  Well, okay, so Leopold and Loeb and OJ are two big ones. And when you think about them, and the Leopold and Loeb case was a murder committed by two young men, like, early twenties, I believe, who felt themselves to be very intellectual and wanted to commit the crime of the century.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  Couple of uber mensch, mensches?

• 19:51Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  Uber mensch?

• 19:53Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, that, yeah, to their private belief. And also, there was some degree of romantic and sexual entanglement going on there. Kind of a one-sided romantic thing, very sadly.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Very sadly. History could be different.

• 20:06Sarah Marshall?

  Cause you should never be driven to violent crime by someone who doesn't like you.

• 20:11Speaker 01

  Just think of Scream One.

• 20:13Sarah Marshall?

  But it, but usually, it probably does go that way. Yeah, it was very Scream One. And that's the thing, this relationship has been depicted and spoofed in media for a really long time. And it's sort of, this very influential cultural moment, because there were more mega narratives back in the twenties. People followed this trial on the radio every day. It was kind of a precursor to OJ. And that's one of the uniting factors here, is that OJ also was broadcast. You could watch it every single day.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:41Sarah Marshall?

  For the entirety of it, you could watch it condensed. It was like, an extremely televised trial. And it kind of was like the soap opera to end all soap operas, in a sense.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Yep.

• 20:53Sarah Marshall?

  And, yeah. So when you have something that's called the Trial of the Sanctuary, I think often, like, one of the themes that appears in common is that it's something that the public is led in on in a big way, and feels, I don't know, that it's a big narrative that signifies themes in American life.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:10Sarah Marshall?

  And the trials we're looking at, and also that people have access to it. So we have the Scopes Trial.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, yes, yes.

• 21:17Sarah Marshall?

  Yep. The Monkey Trial. The Trial of Sacco and Vanzetti is an example that I think that label has been applied to a lot. And also, on just like, a criminal, and on a domestic murder, wife aside, trial, we have the, the Trial of Sam Shepard in the 1950s.

• 21:33Speaker 01

  Hmm. Okay. Yeah, yep. Very interesting stuff. I love, I just, I just so often am doing research, and it's like, it's the Trial of the Century. And I'm like, add it to the pile. Like-

• 21:45Sarah Marshall?

  People love to say that.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  I know, I know.

• 21:47Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah. Here's a fun one. In Rosemary's Baby, and by the way, we're giving you a point for the Trials of the Sanctuary question. So you're doing great.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  I believe I deserve it. Thank you. Yeah.

• 21:58Sarah Marshall?

  Oh, yeah, you really do.

• 22:01Sarah Marshall?

  Okay. In Rosemary's Baby, the novel by Ira Levin, why does Rosemary's husband make a deal with the cast of vets, AKA the Satanists next door?

• 22:11Speaker 01

  Ugh, I'm not gonna get this. Um.

• 22:14Sarah Marshall?

  Well, try and guess.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  Is it different than the movie?

• 22:17Sarah Marshall?

  No, it's the same.

• 22:18Speaker 01

  Um.

• 22:19Sarah Marshall?

  It doesn't matter. You can, you can just think about the movie.

• 22:22Speaker 01

  I know, but I haven't seen the movie in so long. Um. Eeeeh, it doesn't have to do with the, I don't know.

• 22:33Sarah Marshall?

  Well, why don't you guess something?

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Ugh, I'm supposed to be a horror fan.

• 22:38Sarah Marshall?

  Hmm, you're doing great.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Does it have to do with the baby, wanting a baby? Does it have to do with money?

• 22:44Sarah Marshall?

  It has to do with neither a baby nor money. Isn't that interesting?

• 22:47Speaker 01

  It is interesting. Does it have to do with like, property?

• 22:51Sarah Marshall?

  Nope. It has nothing to do with material gain.

• 22:54Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 22:55Sarah Marshall?

  Which I think is very interesting.

• 22:57Speaker 01

  Is it just for them to like, stop being fucking weird?

• 23:01Sarah Marshall?

  No, uh, do you want me to tell you?

• 23:03Speaker 01

  Yes, just tell me. This is embarrassing.

• 23:05Sarah Marshall?

  Okay, so the great thi-

• 23:09Speaker 01

  I thought I couldn't be embarrassed, but I can.

• 23:11Sarah Marshall?

  You're doing great. One of the great things about Rosemary's Baby that is a little bit subtle, I think even, is that we established that this is a couple, especially in the movie, where the real estate is to die for, is that they are doing just fine for money, because we know, especially in the book, that Guy has done this commercial that runs all the time, and so they have plenty of money from that. They rent this amazing apartment and are furnishing it, and so they're doing fine in terms of money, but Guy is an actor, and he really wants to like, have respect, because he's doing TV and commercials, but he wants to do theater.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:49Sarah Marshall?

  So he sells his wife and the use of her reproductive organs to the Satanists, not for money or out of necessity or greed, which is somehow like, more predictable based on the, I don't know, Faustian narratives that we've grown up hearing.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 24:02Sarah Marshall?

  But so that he can like, be taken seriously off Broadway.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  God, horrible.

• 24:08Sarah Marshall?

  Isn't that so real?

• 24:09Speaker 01

  It's so real. It's so real and so yucky. It's somehow yuckier than many of the things that I guessed. You know, people are driven mad by the allure of fame, I suppose.

• 24:23Sarah Marshall?

  Well, and not even fame necessarily, as much as like, being taken seriously as an artist, which is somehow more annoying to me.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is, because it's like, if you want to be taken seriously, then just like, do it. Do the serious work.

• 24:39Sarah Marshall?

  Right, don't make deals with Satanists.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  And like, if you can't get in, like, if you can't get the job, you might not be the best choice for the job, and you're just gonna get it, but like, make the show suck? Like, is he also asking for the power of like, being a better actor, or is it just like, the like, he just wants a lane to open up?

• 25:01Sarah Marshall?

  There might be limits to this kind of thing.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  Hmm, mhm.

• 25:04Sarah Marshall?

  I don't know.

• 25:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:06Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, but I just find that so embarrassing, and yeah, it's just very real.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, the problem with me and horror is I really, I really max out at like, in like, the seventies, you know what I mean? Like, I real, and that's like, so few movies. I'm just so anti-old movie.

• 25:24Sarah Marshall?

  You gotta watch some Hitchcock, man.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  I'm so like, I'm just such a teenager in my taste to this very day.

• 25:31Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, you don't want to watch anything in black and white.

• 25:33Speaker 01

  Oh, god, no.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  I really have very little class, and that's okay.

• 25:41Sarah Marshall?

  Class.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:43Sarah Marshall?

  I have it, and you don't.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  And I just know you love Rosemary's Baby so much.

• 25:48Sarah Marshall?

  I adore it.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  I know.

• 25:49Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, but that's okay. I enjoy explaining it, perhaps even more.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  I enjoy like-

• 25:54Sarah Marshall?

  Oh my god, my refrigerator popped open somehow. It's beeping now.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  That's scary. Rosemary's Baby is here.

• 26:01Sarah Marshall?

  The baby is in the refrigerator, being waited to be put in a preheated oven.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 26:08Sarah Marshall?

  Okay, I'll be right back.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  I put the baby in the fridge.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  The ritual is almost complete.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  I can't wait to draw on Sarah's floor. Put that baby on the floor.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  She's been gone longer than I expected, and I don't know where my joke is going.

• 26:37Sarah Marshall?

  Hello.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  Hello.

• 26:41Sarah Marshall?

  I hope to one day be in the woods with you and hear a twig breaking and go, "It's Rosemary's Baby."

• 26:47Speaker 01

  It's just clomping through the forest.

• 26:51Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, no, it's a little baby.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  On two legs.

• 26:56Sarah Marshall?

  He's got two little stumpy legs.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  It would be scary to see an infant walk.

• 27:01Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  It would be, well- Like a very little infant.

• 27:05Sarah Marshall?

  Unless they were like, a one-year-old. Yeah, I see, okay, yeah.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  When does an infant cease to be one?

• 27:11Sarah Marshall?

  I don't know. I don't know. I haven't learned.

• 27:15Speaker 01

  Sound off in the comments.

• 27:16Sarah Marshall?

  They don't have that in the back page of the composition book, you know? How many infants equal one baby? How many toddlers equal a youth?

• 27:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I need to know. People need to know.

• 27:31Sarah Marshall?

  Okay, should I give you any points, or a partial point of any kind?

• 27:35Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 27:38Sarah Marshall?

  Okay, I'm writing a big X.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  I don't like to cheat.

• 27:41Sarah Marshall?

  All right, good for you.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  I don't want sympathy.

• 27:45Sarah Marshall?

  Okay, how many, we haven't covered this on the show, but for historical topics, our episodes with Dana Schwartz are great.

• 27:52Speaker 01

  So good.

• 27:52Sarah Marshall?

  How many of Henry VIII's wives did he have executed? He had six wives. How many died by execution?

• 28:03Speaker 01

  Four.

• 28:05Sarah Marshall?

  Good guess.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Fuck.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  Okay, I want to say-

• 28:11Sarah Marshall?

  Would you believe me if, okay, yeah, take it, take another, no, no, you go.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  I want to go lower, because I feel like the obvious one is like, he executed them all until there was only one.

• 28:23Sarah Marshall?

  Right, because that's what kids believe.

• 28:25Speaker 01

  But it feels like-

• 28:26Sarah Marshall?

  Because kids are always talking about the tutors. I know I was.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course, and I should know this because I'm British, and my family's probably like, so mad at me.

• 28:34Sarah Marshall?

  Do you, are you, when you're saying he executed them all until there was only one, are you imagining he had many simultaneous wives?

• 28:41Speaker 01

  No, I just mean, you know, he just wanted, he wanted a son, so he was like, Yeah. plowing through the wives, trying to get the son.

• 28:49Sarah Marshall?

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Because he wanted to divorce someone, right?

• 28:53Sarah Marshall?

  Yes.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  That was the whole thing.

• 28:54Sarah Marshall?

  That happened a couple times.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  Okay, so I'm going with two.

• 28:58Sarah Marshall?

  Yes, that's correct.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 29:01Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, two executions. Fantastic.

• 29:03Speaker 01

  Thank you. Half a point.

• 29:05Sarah Marshall?

  The mnemonic you can use to remember it, which is fun, is divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  Wow, I love that.

• 29:14Sarah Marshall?

  He had six wives, three of them were named Catherine, two of them were named Anne.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, there was only like, five names.

• 29:22Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, so you know, divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Boy, I really feel that I should know that, but I do love that, I love that device, and this is a really humbling day for me.

• 29:36Sarah Marshall?

  I think you're, look, you got that one. I think you're doing really good.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got second guess. It's all right, it's all right.

• 29:42Sarah Marshall?

  That's still impressive, you know, a lot of people would have said six.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  Thank you, yeah.

• 29:46Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 29:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I want everyone to be so nice to me.

• 29:50Sarah Marshall?

  Everyone has to be really nice to Chelsea. They're being very brave today.

• 29:53Speaker 01

  I'll quit podcasting. I'll quit. I'll quit right now.

• 29:57Sarah Marshall?

  I'll set the building on fire. The wives of Henry VIII were Catherine of Aragon, Anne Boleyn, Jane Seymour, Anne of Cleves, Catherine Howard, and Catherine Parr.

• 30:07Speaker 01

  And may they rip in peace.

• 30:09Sarah Marshall?

  Yes, may they, may they rip a brewski. We could do like, tutors for newbies or something sometime. I think that could be fun.

• 30:17Speaker 01

  That is fun, yeah.

• 30:19Sarah Marshall?

  Okay, what was the first year that a woman officially competed in the Boston Marathon?

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Oh my god. Oh god. How, how could I know this? I don't know anything about marathons.

• 30:31Sarah Marshall?

  I don't know, but you can guess. We did an episode on, on marathons. We called it Marathon Women.

• 30:37Speaker 01

  Can you tell me when the Boston Marathon started?

• 30:40Sarah Marshall?

  The twenties or something? I don't know, a long time ago.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 30:44Sarah Marshall?

  Back when we were having our very first trials of the century.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  Okay, so probably the twenties, uh, it started, because my guess was going to be the twenties, since there was so much like, you know, women were biking and shit, but they probably weren't letting women into competitions, so maybe I want to say sixty-eight.

• 31:04Sarah Marshall?

  Okay, you're very close. The answer is nineteen seventy-two.

• 31:07Speaker 01

  Okay, see, I was, you know, seventy-two was honestly actually in my head, and I was like, is that a little too late?

• 31:13Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, you were super close.

• 31:15Speaker 01

  But you know, that's always how it is, right? It's always later than you think.

• 31:19Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, the first woman to register to compete and, and be allowed to compete in the Boston Marathon was Nina Cusick. Like I guess I said, Marathon.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  Marathon?

• 31:29Sarah Marshall?

  So if I'm, yeah. Chelsea, I've just run a marathon. Marathon day at the firm, Chelsea.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  I love this character.

• 31:42Sarah Marshall?

  Let's see, Chelsea. I'm your, I'm your British house husband. Chelsea, I've made you some pasta.

• 31:51Speaker 01

  I always think of Degrassi when people say pasta, because there's this like, moment where Spinner, who's just like, the dumbest guy on the planet, is like, you know, he's like-

• 32:00Sarah Marshall?

  Poor Spinner, yeah, what an idiot.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  We have to have your mom's pasta, or something. I wish I remember the exact one.

• 32:06Sarah Marshall?

  It's one of the wonderful things that Brits and Canadians share, is saying pasta that way. I love it. Yeah.

• 32:11Speaker 01

  It always surprises me.

• 32:12Sarah Marshall?

  I love you guys.

• 32:13Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 32:14Sarah Marshall?

  Hail to the queen or whatever. I don't acknowledge the new guy.

• 32:18Speaker 01

  Bloody thing.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  Those big old sausage rakers.

• 32:24Sarah Marshall?

  This is like a Family Feud. We're gonna have to cut, take time off your clock because I'm laughing so much. Have you ever seen the Family Feud blooper where the question is, during what month of pregnancy does a woman begin to look pregnant? And the contestant says, September? And Richard Dawson can't stop laughing for like a couple of minutes.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  That is really funny.

• 32:46Sarah Marshall?

  I love that. I love Family Feud bloopers.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  Wait, who was the host at that time?

• 32:51Sarah Marshall?

  Richard Dawson, from Hogan's Heroes.

• 32:54Speaker 01

  Okay, alright.

• 32:55Sarah Marshall?

  Who kissed everyone, including minors, I'm pretty sure.

• 32:59Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure.

• 33:00Sarah Marshall?

  Fire beware. Oh, I'll give you a bonus one.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 33:04Sarah Marshall?

  Is it true that in an episode of Chuck Barris's The Newlywed Game, a contestant, when asked the question, this is verbatim, what's the most peculiar place you've ever had the urge to make whoopee? Is it true that one contestant said, in the ass?

• 33:20Speaker 01

  I think it is.

• 33:21Sarah Marshall?

  Yes, it is. That happened.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it would be a really amazing question for you to make up on the spot and have the answer be false.

• 33:29Sarah Marshall?

  Well, it was like an urban legend for a long time, and people kind of presumed it to probably not be true. And then someone was digging through all this footage.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  Oh, yes.

• 33:41Sarah Marshall?

  And found it. And it's like the story that, again, was, I think, an urban myth for a long time, that like Ted Turner had made an end of the world tape.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 33:51Sarah Marshall?

  That was supposed to play when like the nuclear warheads were launched or whatever. And it was considered to be sort of like, oh, yeah, who knows? And then like an intern dug it up somehow one day.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 34:04Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  It's so wild how much shit is just like lost or in some random box that is so

• 34:10Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 34:11Speaker 01

  important to our collective knowledge.

• 34:14Sarah Marshall?

  Sometimes the rumors are very close to the truth, actually. And that's a very interesting situation.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  Collective memory can be a beautiful thing, and it can be a terrifying thing. So

• 34:23Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  It goes either way, like your personal memory.

• 34:26Sarah Marshall?

  We're gonna give you half a point for the Boston Marathon. And also, I should point out, and we talked about this in the episode, that in 1966, Bobby Gibb completed the Boston Marathon. She ran unofficially on the course while it was happening. And Catherine Switzer registered as Kay Switzer in 1967 and ran the marathon. And also was, there was at least an attempt to pull her off the course while she was running. Listen to the episode for more.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  I love her. That's so cool.

• 34:53Sarah Marshall?

  Yes.

• 34:54Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 34:55Sarah Marshall?

  So, and then it took another five years for women to be allowed to enter.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, there you go. I would like to say, all I did was use cultural and political context clues to come up with that date, so.

• 35:07Sarah Marshall?

  What do you think about the fact that you could guess that that date was that late? 1972 being the correct answer?

• 35:15Speaker 01

  It was like, we were only kind of creating coed colleges and letting people into

• 35:20Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 35:20Speaker 01

  these educational institutions they were formerly not, formerly not allowed to be in. And you know, they're just like, a lot of things were changing in the 60s. So I figured,

• 35:29Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  let's go to the end of the decade and maybe they're letting someone in. But it is always just like three or four years later than I think. Like, I'm like, well, it couldn't, it has to be, it couldn't possibly be later than, than this.

• 35:43Sarah Marshall?

  Right. It couldn't possibly when I think it should be. As I like to point out, we had put human beings on the moon, men specifically.

• 35:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:50Sarah Marshall?

  Before women were allowed to run 26 miles around Boston.

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 35:55Sarah Marshall?

  I mean, I guess they could do that on their own time and no one would arrest them, but you know what I mean? Okay. Who opened Al Capone's vault?

• 36:02Speaker 01

  Oh, my darling Geraldo.

• 36:06Sarah Marshall?

  Your darling Geraldo. Exactly.

• 36:09Speaker 01

  I want to be like, come back to the light, dude. Like,

• 36:12Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 36:13Sarah Marshall?

  What's Geraldo's deal, Chelsea in a nutshell?

• 36:17Speaker 01

  I just, I don't know. I have a big soft spot for him, even though he's done so many bad things.

• 36:22Sarah Marshall?

  I do too, in a weird way.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  I know. I don't know what it is.

• 36:25Sarah Marshall?

  Because he has unbridled enthusiasm.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  I just, I would give him another chance.

• 36:30Sarah Marshall?

  And you know, and he's like confessed to like some pretty awful stuff, including sexual misconduct and

• 36:36Speaker 01

  No, I didn't know that. Fuck.

• 36:39Sarah Marshall?

  I will say this about Geraldo. He was one of the only people who really sold the satanic panic hard, who then doubled back in a very public way, like as a large public figure and said, I was wrong. I perhaps should not have done all of that.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, that was cool.

• 36:54Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  Maybe that's part of where my, my somewhat unfounded feelings come from.

• 37:00Sarah Marshall?

  I think that there's a lot of categories of human nature, and there are people who've done some pretty awful things who are able to admit what they've done.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  That's something.

• 37:09Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, that is something. So yeah, Geraldo Rivera opened Al Capone's vault. It was a live special. There was supposed to be cool stuff in it. And well, there wasn't.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  It's so shocking to me that they didn't open it secretly first.

• 37:25Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  To see if it was worth opening and then put on the pageantry.

• 37:28Sarah Marshall?

  Well, you know, it's TV. It's a pure thing.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  I know. I just feel like we, we wouldn't do that now, I feel like. But maybe we would.

• 37:35Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 37:36Sarah Marshall?

  We will put it on a TikTok live.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  I kind of think it was awesome that there was nothing in there. I think it taught us an important lesson, you know?

• 37:43Sarah Marshall?

  I do too. You can't meddle with history. Yeah. It taught us that when you have to stage things is probably what it taught us.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  I guess so.

• 37:51Sarah Marshall?

  Because we grew up in a TV world where that would be staged.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  Absolutely. And just like that, sometimes there's nothing in there, kind of like that part in Titanic where he opens the vault with the, you know, and there's just like a bunch of mud and garbage in there.

• 38:05Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah. And that references Geraldo in that scene.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. There you go.

• 38:10Sarah Marshall?

  I always am annoyed that he doesn't pull up the sleeves on his beautiful sweater.

• 38:14Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Fool. Paxton.

• 38:19Sarah Marshall?

  Okay, let's see. You're doing great.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 38:22Sarah Marshall?

  Okay. Did people really pass out while seeing The Exorcist in theaters?

• 38:27Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm gonna say, I can't remember specifically, but I think no. I think that that was a publicity stunt. But it's hard to say because it's like, do we know for certain no one passed out? Because I know it was reported in the papers, but a lot was reported in the papers, especially when it comes to horror movies, because there are like a lot of showmen behind the scenes who are

• 38:51Sarah Marshall?

  Right. There's a lot of, yeah, a lot of hype and a lot of, you know, promoters.

• 38:55Speaker 01

  Which I love. I love, I love, I love the gimmick.

• 38:58Sarah Marshall?

  And we've talked about the William Castle gimmicks. And I was just watching one of my favorite MST 3K movies, The Screaming Skull, where the gimmick is that if you die of fear while watching the movie, you get a free casket, which I think is quite a savings.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  I love that. I know. And that is very, yeah, very castle.

• 39:15Sarah Marshall?

  Okay. So I always thought that too. And then I did an episode on The Exorcist. And my guest, Marlena Williams, showed me a clip showing people actually passing out and talking about having passed out during the movie.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 39:30Sarah Marshall?

  And so it did happen, like not en masse or anything, but it did happen to people. And it, and it is a lot less extreme when you see it.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 39:39Sarah Marshall?

  Than when you hear about it in a way, because I think it's, it's also like people like stumbling out of the theater, feeling all shaky. And that was a movie, if people haven't seen it, I do recommend it if horror is your thing, because it's not done in the vernacular of horror. It feels like a normal kind of 1970s like drama about a family. And then it becomes horror. And I think that there was hype around it to the effect that it was so scary that you would feel like you were really seeing the devil.

• 40:07Speaker 01

  Totally, totally. And it's so interesting too, because like the idea of fainting is something that I've wanted to do an episode with you about that we've talked about, like Victorian era fainting.

• 40:18Sarah Marshall?

  I would love to talk about fainting. Yeah. Because I wonder a lot about that and how much that's sort of a social construct about people getting more iron or something.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. And like, is like psychosomatic. It's weird. Yeah. It's like,

• 40:31Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 40:31Speaker 01

  I mean, I guess it would be psychosomatic regardless.

• 40:34Sarah Marshall?

  Or the idea of like, urge is remaining the same, but being shaped by like, you know, the culture of the times.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  Last Halloween, we just did an episode about like The Exorcist with What Went Wrong, which is a fantastic movie related podcast. But I really do feel like I should have known that because I did a lot of research and I have forgotten. But it, you know, I've done so many of these types of episodes around horror movies and around the PR and hype that it all kind of bleeds together.

• 41:03Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. And history keeps growing and changing.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  But I love every minute of it. I just love horror movie fucking publicity stunts. I love it.

• 41:14Sarah Marshall?

  I do too. That would be, I know you've done episodes that are about a lot of that, but that, that would be a fun thing to return to.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, it would be to kind of like have them all side by side rather than,

• 41:24Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  you know, episode based. Yeah.

• 41:26Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah. Okay. Didn't Marantwin not say, let them eat cake?

• 41:31Speaker 01

  Well, I sure hope so.

• 41:33Sarah Marshall?

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:35Speaker 01

  I mean, I just feel like that's so repeated and it's making me think that the answer must be no. Or else you wouldn't be asking it.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  I'm cheating.

• 41:46Sarah Marshall?

  No, you're not. You're being strategic.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  I'm gonna say no.

• 41:49Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, you're correct. She did not.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  Hell, yeah.

• 41:51Sarah Marshall?

  It was like a phrase that had been passed around referring to royalty for, I think, at least 100 years. It had been applied to other people. It was the kind of thing that like felt true, but was not actually true.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Okay, so it was being said.

• 42:05Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, it was said of other royals before her. It was kind of a thing that was, I think, applied to whatever royal was at hand when the economy got bad, which it was very bad.

• 42:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:15Sarah Marshall?

  During her reign, but she also, you know, and I love Antonia Fraser's biography of her that, you know, she's a great writer and this explains it really well. I think that like, based on the structure of the royalty that she was in, she had no actual power and sort of socially no recognition as someone who should be governing in any way.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  Sure, sure.

• 42:35Sarah Marshall?

  And interestingly, if you read about, for example, Madame de Pompadour, I think during that time and previously, it was more acceptable for the king's mistress to advise on matters of state than for his wife to do so because her job was having babies.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  Hmm, okay.

• 42:51Sarah Marshall?

  And Reinternet appears to have been like someone who like fundamentally had no role in government and had no idea how to fix anything, but was very sentimental and kind to people as individuals, much like Ronald Reagan.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  I gotta bring an old Ronnie Reagan, don't we?

• 43:07Sarah Marshall?

  Yep, we always do. That's the only Reagan reference you're gonna get.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  All right, you can give me more.

• 43:14Sarah Marshall?

  Oh, okay. Well, I don't have any, but maybe I'll find one. Okay, so great. You got a point for that.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  I get a point for my strategic. Yeah, I mean, I think that that makes so much sense that it's, you know, it's like, weren't you and I at the Lloyd Center before it closed in Portland and there was?

• 43:30Sarah Marshall?

  It hasn't closed yet. It's gonna close on August 8th. Please come before it does. Save the Lloyd Ice Rink.

• 43:35Speaker 01

  Okay, we can go have like a backrooms moment.

• 43:38Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, please visit.

• 43:39Speaker 01

  I loved it there, but no, it was like some ridiculous quote and then it said that it was Marilyn Monroe or something like that. And we just immediately were like, ah, doesn't seem like she said that. And it's like giant painted on the wall and it's just so funny.

• 43:53Sarah Marshall?

  Well, every quote has been attributed to Marilyn Monroe at this point, I maintain. I feel like you could see like a greeting card one day that says like, I think therefore I am Marilyn Monroe.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  Which is so like random that Marilyn Monroe has become like quote queen.

• 44:08Sarah Marshall?

  The sage of our times. Yeah.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:11Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, she's like the Buddha. I don't know.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'll take it.

• 44:15Sarah Marshall?

  Okay.

• 44:17Sarah Marshall?

  Back to Tonya Harding for a second. In a televised special on Fox, who did Tonya Harding box?

• 44:24Speaker 01

  Oh, fuck.

• 44:25Sarah Marshall?

  In 2002? This is a boxing match between Tonya Harding and another woman.

• 44:30Speaker 01

  I frickin' know what you're talking about. I watched it.

• 44:34Sarah Marshall?

  You'll have to tell me how it was.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, I'm not gonna remember this.

• 44:40Sarah Marshall?

  Oh, you're dying.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  It's like I just actually wrote something about this.

• 44:45Sarah Marshall?

  Think of the maligned women of the 90s.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  Can you give me a hint?

• 44:48Sarah Marshall?

  Okay, Clinton.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  Chelsea.

• 44:52Sarah Marshall?

  Oh, you wish.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  I know, right? That would be so amazing. Uh, Clinton, was it Monica Lewinsky?

• 45:00Sarah Marshall?

  No.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  There's no way.

• 45:02Sarah Marshall?

  But great guess.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  I mean, that would be.

• 45:05Sarah Marshall?

  Monica's a little bit too much of an indoor girl for that, I suspect.

• 45:09Speaker 01

  Clinton, Clinton, Clinton. I don't know. I don't think I'm gonna get it.

• 45:14Sarah Marshall?

  Okay, Paula Jones.

• 45:16Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. Okay, no, I wouldn't have ever guessed that, I don't think. But I did watch it when it came out.

• 45:25Sarah Marshall?

  How was it?

• 45:26Speaker 01

  I don't remember.

• 45:28Sarah Marshall?

  Well.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  Because I came, it was, I was like 12.

• 45:30Sarah Marshall?

  This has been very informative.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:32Sarah Marshall?

  I'll tell you what, Tonya Harding just dominated in that match.

• 45:37Speaker 01

  Oh, I bet.

• 45:38Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, because she was boxing at the time, which is very impressive.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 45:42Sarah Marshall?

  Generally, and also because she had asthma.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 45:45Sarah Marshall?

  And still does.

• 45:45Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 45:46Sarah Marshall?

  Paula Jones being someone who was involved in what we in the 90s called a sex scandal, which in this case meant that she had made credible allegations of sexual assault against Bill Clinton. And so we thought, hey, let's make him box.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  Wild. So very like, you said it was the year 2000, right?

• 46:04Sarah Marshall?

  2002.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  2002. Wow, wow.

• 46:07Sarah Marshall?

  We're gonna give you half a point for saying Monica Lewinsky.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  All right, all right.

• 46:11Sarah Marshall?

  We did an episode on Clinton and Lewinsky and a little bit of Paula Jones long ago on the show, and you can listen to that one, too. I'm giving you some summer recommendations as part of what I'm after here.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, revisit these. So good.

• 46:25Sarah Marshall?

  Speaking of past episodes, we did one on the exploding Pinto. A lot of these, as many of you already know, are with Michael Hobbs, who is, I hope, having a day by the pool as we speak.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  I hope so, too.

• 46:38Sarah Marshall?

  The Pinto is the much maligned, alleged exploding car. Listen to the episode, but regardless of how the story goes, I think you can agree it has nothing on the Cybertruck, which is made of knives and also catches on fire and also that allegedly raccoons have tried to break into because it looks like a dumpster.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  Really? That's so funny. What a dumb bitch.

• 47:02Sarah Marshall?

  I love it. So what year did the Pinto, which is a little economy car, go into production?

• 47:09Speaker 01

  Um.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  1970.

• 47:14Sarah Marshall?

  Yes.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  What?

• 47:16Sarah Marshall?

  Yes, wow.

• 47:17Speaker 01

  That was a pretty, uh, wild guess.

• 47:21Sarah Marshall?

  I'm gonna give you two points for that, for how quickly you pulled that out of wherever you did.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  I knew that like that whole controversy happened in the 70s, but I didn't know when it like went into production.

• 47:31Sarah Marshall?

  Well, you did great. Yeah, it was first produced in the, in late 1970. The first model year was 1971.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  If there's one thing I know, it's exploding shit.

• 47:40Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, gosh, that's true. Okay, Chelsea, guess what? You have five minutes remaining on the clock.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  Okay, all right, all right.

• 47:47Sarah Marshall?

  We're entering the lightning, lightning round.

• 47:49Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm ready.

• 47:52Sarah Marshall?

  All right, Chelsea, for the next minute, I want you to name maligned women. Go.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Tonya Harding, um, Monica Lewinsky.

• 48:03Sarah Marshall?

  Yes, good.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  Oh, dear. Oh, this is where I do not thrive. Uh, uh, uh, this is insane. Oh, no.

• 48:12Sarah Marshall?

  Just breathe.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  Being timed.

• 48:15Sarah Marshall?

  Just let your mind drift through the 90s.

• 48:17Speaker 01

  Okay, um.

• 48:21Sarah Marshall?

  You have 30 seconds.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  This is so fucked up. Uh.

• 48:26Sarah Marshall?

  Think about various women who were hot back then and are still now.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  I know. I mean, Britney Spears.

• 48:32Sarah Marshall?

  Yes, good.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  Okay, great, great. I'm going back into pop. Okay, Britney Spears, let's say J-Lo for that dress.

• 48:40Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  Let's say.

• 48:41Sarah Marshall?

  10 seconds.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  This is so dark. Wow. Oh, my God.

• 48:53Sarah Marshall?

  Okay, you can do one more, one more.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  One more? Oh, it put me out of my freaking misery right now. This is so bad. I panic, I panic. Um, J-Lo? Where did that come from?

• 49:06Sarah Marshall?

  You said that.

• 49:07Speaker 01

  I know, I'm saying like, what was that freaking J-Lo?

• 49:11Sarah Marshall?

  Look, you were, you were trying. You were going for it. Okay, we're gonna, look, like, listen, Chelsea, we're gonna give you three and a half points because I think J-Lo might be a stretch.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  Lindsay Lohan?

• 49:23Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, there you go. You know what? Yeah.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  Mary-Kate Olsen, Mary-Kate Olsen, Mary-Kate Olsen.

• 49:28Sarah Marshall?

  Mary-Kate Olsen.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  Mary-Kate Olsen.

• 49:30Sarah Marshall?

  Yep.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  Ashley didn't catch any heat.

• 49:33Sarah Marshall?

  Not, yeah. I mean, I would say some, but not nearly as much somehow. Okay. You know what? Full point for J-Lo. I'm gonna give you six points.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 49:41Sarah Marshall?

  Incredible.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  Maybe make it seem like I did better, producers.

• 49:47Sarah Marshall?

  All right. Okay, now we got a couple minutes. I'm gonna ask you, how about, well, however many more questions we can do. My guess be one.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 49:55Sarah Marshall?

  Okay, what year did the first state criminalize stalking? The first state in the United States of America?

• 50:05Speaker 01

  Oh, criminalize stalking. Hmm.

• 50:10Sarah Marshall?

  When did stalking become a crime?

• 50:12Speaker 01

  I wanna say like 1980.

• 50:15Sarah Marshall?

  Hmm.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Is that like so far off?

• 50:17Sarah Marshall?

  It's not that far off.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 50:19Sarah Marshall?

  It's farther off than I would like, though.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm thinking then maybe even later, like 90, 1990?

• 50:28Sarah Marshall?

  Yes, 1990.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  Oh, great. Okay, that's a half point, baby. Yeah. I mean, that's absolutely unhinged, as most things are when you ask when they started.

• 50:38Sarah Marshall?

  Pertaining to women particularly, I would say.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  Of course, absolutely.

• 50:41Sarah Marshall?

  Sexual assault and prosecution thereof.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 50:44Sarah Marshall?

  And what state would you guess?

• 50:46Speaker 01

  Ooh, what state?

• 50:47Sarah Marshall?

  For an extra point.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  California.

• 50:48Sarah Marshall?

  Yes.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  Awesome.

• 50:50Sarah Marshall?

  Yep. And it was illegal everywhere. Every state had some kind of a law. By 1994, it was also criminalized federally. I don't know if criminalize is quite the right term, but you know what I mean.

• 51:01Speaker 01

  Great job, guys.

• 51:03Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, but yeah, before 1990 or before the late 80s, we were like, ah.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Go for it. Go ham.

• 51:10Sarah Marshall?

  Just follow women around. What bad could come of it? So just to say that the rights we have are inalienable or whatever, but we need the law to reflect that as well. And a lot of things aren't there that should be there, but we have to put them there. Let's get out there and have some fun. I wanna see energy.

• 51:28Speaker 01

  Hell, yeah.

• 51:31Sarah Marshall?

  And, okay, all right, final question.

• 51:34Speaker 01

  Gulp.

• 51:35Sarah Marshall?

  We all know that Long Island teenager Amy Fisher once shot Long Island housewife Mary Jo Buttafuoco for reasons that we explore in our episode on Amy Fisher, who was very maligned and who was just a teenager.

• 51:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:53Sarah Marshall?

  And whose surprise was abused by an adult man.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  Oh, I'd like to add Lorena Babett back to my maligned women.

• 51:59Sarah Marshall?

  Oh, you just get to add maligned women in whenever you feel like it now. Okay, Bob it, by the way. All right.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Fuck it, fuck it.

• 52:06Sarah Marshall?

  I think of that case whenever I see a big bite container. No, you get seven, you get seven. Just for spunkiness, you get seven.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  I'm thinking of Jamie Babett, famous lesbian director.

• 52:16Sarah Marshall?

  Oh, yeah, but I'm a cheerleader, right?

• 52:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right.

• 52:20Sarah Marshall?

  Ah, what a legend.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:22Sarah Marshall?

  Okay, many years later, Mary Jo Buttafuoco, the wife of Joey Buttafuoco, the man who had been abusing Amy Fisher, wrote a memoir. What was that memoir called?

• 52:39Speaker 01

  I mean, I have no idea. Let's see. Um, I'm gonna come up with like a good memoir name. So, and it's not like my story, my life. Uh, let's see. Um, picking up the pieces.

• 52:56Sarah Marshall?

  That's very good.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  All right. What do we got? I have no idea.

• 52:59Sarah Marshall?

  Okay. All right. Getting it through my thick skull.

• 53:04Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 53:06Sarah Marshall?

  Why I stayed, what I learned, and what millions of people involved with sociopaths need to know.

• 53:13Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 53:15Sarah Marshall?

  God bless this woman.

• 53:17Speaker 01

  Seriously? That's cool. I would have never got, that was a very long title that I wouldn't have gotten, but that is.

• 53:23Sarah Marshall?

  Oh, and I expected you to divine it with your knowledge of the spirit world.

• 53:27Speaker 01

  But I love it.

• 53:28Sarah Marshall?

  I'm gonna give you half a point for guessing. Okay. Chelsea, I think you did amazing.

• 53:34Speaker 01

  That's really generous of you and I appreciate that.

• 53:38Sarah Marshall?

  Well, I had a really fun conversation.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  It was really fun. And yeah, I mean, it's like one of those things where like I research until my soul is like one of those little guys in The Little Mermaid, you know, in Ursula's cave.

• 53:51Sarah Marshall?

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:52Speaker 01

  And then I forget it all because it just don't fit.

• 53:56Sarah Marshall?

  No, it don't all fit.

• 53:57Speaker 01

  But I am better at like the context clues. Like I can use my knowledge of history to pinpoint where I would think that something happened, but then if I'm being timed about much maligned women, which I care deeply about, uh, it just all, it just, it's like, it's like there's a towel stuffed in my brain and there's no room. I just freak out. But thank you. This was so fun regardless and very humbling and I'll definitely be back when you want to have me or maybe I'll make up some for you.

• 54:29Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, I would like you to.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  You can go through this. You're gonna be good at it, though.

• 54:32Sarah Marshall?

  Would you like to hear how you did?

• 54:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're gonna be good at it.

• 54:35Sarah Marshall?

  Well, guess what?

• 54:36Speaker 01

  You're gonna be better than me at it.

• 54:38Sarah Marshall?

  Okay, but Chelsea, relax because remember how you had a possible 20 points?

• 54:43Speaker 01

  Okay, yes.

• 54:44Sarah Marshall?

  You have scored 20 and a half points.

• 54:49Speaker 01

  So that means I win?

• 54:50Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, you do. And we get to high five with gunpowder in our hands.

• 54:54Speaker 01

  Ooh, fun. Okay, that's great. And also I'd like to say, Sarah, if you feel too scared to do it, I won't make you do it.

• 55:01Sarah Marshall?

  No, I'll do it.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  I promise you'll be okay.

• 55:04Sarah Marshall?

  But then no one gets to pop a balloon around me for the next 10 years.

• 55:08Speaker 01

  It's a rule.

• 55:09Sarah Marshall?

  I don't pop balloons. I like to put a pin in them and deflate them gently.

• 55:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course. I definitely can see that.

• 55:17Sarah Marshall?

  Uncle Mo, my teeth hurt. My sooty is too cold.

• 55:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:23Sarah Marshall?

  Go on.

• 55:25Speaker 01

  I feel like I'll pop a balloon if I wanted to be quiet, just like with my teeth.

• 55:28Sarah Marshall?

  Wow.

• 55:29Speaker 01

  And you just kind of section it off like you do it right at the little, the little nipple.

• 55:33Sarah Marshall?

  You're like Davy Crockett.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  Yep, that's right.

• 55:38Sarah Marshall?

  Born on a mountaintop in Tennessee, bit off balloons with only his teeth.

• 55:45Speaker 01

  I am the king of the wild frontier. That's right. That's right.

• 55:49Sarah Marshall?

  Kill you a bear when you were only three.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  I like had next door neighbors when I was growing up who had like very Christian parents. So we were not allowed to watch. We weren't allowed to watch Rugrats at their house because one time we saw a baby's bottom.

• 56:04Sarah Marshall?

  That's insane.

• 56:06Speaker 01

  That, I know, I know. It was insane.

• 56:08Sarah Marshall?

  Because the same religious kids are being forced to take care of infants all the time.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  No kidding. And I know, but it's like not a cartoon, not, not Tommy Pickles.

• 56:15Sarah Marshall?

  But how many infants equal a baby? Yeah.

• 56:17Speaker 01

  So we had to only watch that movie, the Disney Davy Crockett movie.

• 56:23Sarah Marshall?

  Wow.

• 56:23Speaker 01

  And yet I remember nothing about it.

• 56:25Sarah Marshall?

  You know, I confused Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone, and it's very confusing because I think they both killed bears.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  Probably. Sounds right.

• 56:35Sarah Marshall?

  So Chelsea, you have a record-setting 20.5 points out of 20. You have an A+. What are you gonna do with the rest of your day?

• 56:46Speaker 01

  You were, let's say, very generous in the points that you gave me. And I, I think you wanted me to win and I appreciate that.

• 56:52Sarah Marshall?

  I did want you to win.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  What am I doing? I'm gonna barbecue.

• 56:57Sarah Marshall?

  Oh, that's lovely.

• 56:59Speaker 01

  Barbecue some veggie dogs with, uh, some friends of mine. I have some friends here. I just got my very first real tattoos. From the amazing.

• 57:11Sarah Marshall?

  I'm the only untattooed person on the planet Earth.

• 57:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. And it's from my good friend who is an art, incredible artist, Christopher Michael Hefner. Check out his art and he gave me a horseshoe with my, with the word grandpa under it and a rose with the word granny under it. That was my, I just wanted to, you know, get, have memorial tattoos of my two favorite people that are no longer with us. So that was a lovely thing I just did. And now we're all gonna hang and eat some veggie dogs and a little pasta salad that Miranda's gonna make. It all comes full circle.

• 57:47Sarah Marshall?

  Chelsea, what's wrong? You have hardly touched your pasta. I'm obsessed with being like your Hugh Grant boyfriend character now. I guess really love that.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  I like it. You're gonna have to be really like bumbling and like very overwhelmed at all times.

• 58:02Sarah Marshall?

  Well, I think I'm like so upper crust that I, I just, I'm utterly bewitched by you.

• 58:09Speaker 01

  You sounded a little like Cockney just now.

• 58:13Sarah Marshall?

  I'm trying.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  We need to work on your Queens English.

• 58:15Sarah Marshall?

  I'm just piecing this accent together from like a thousand different Midsummer Murders. Does anyone in your family watch Midsummer Murders?

• 58:24Speaker 01

  I bet my granny did.

• 58:25Sarah Marshall?

  Yep.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:26Sarah Marshall?

  My mom has watched every Midsummer Murder. It's about a lovely, well-adjusted man who investigates murders in tiny English villages, which as we all know, have eight murders a week generally. And he's extremely well-adjusted and he has a wife who I think is named Joyce, and they just have a nice time. He's just like, well, another eight murders.

• 58:45Speaker 01

  Sounds boring.

• 58:48Sarah Marshall?

  It's great, though. There's something, I think, I assume that this is not just a genre convention, but a true thing about the British soul that like when everyone is being murdered around you, you're like, well, gotta have a cuppa.

• 59:04Speaker 01

  That's absolutely true in my family. We all are, yes, we are all tea drinkers.

• 59:09Sarah Marshall?

  I mean, I think that was basically how World War II worked.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Much tea to be had.

• 59:18Sarah Marshall?

  Out of curiosity.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 59:20Sarah Marshall?

  Cause I would love for you to have me on for an American hysteria lightning round and ask questions.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 59:25Sarah Marshall?

  Of like, you know, topics that are the kind of thing your show handles and also that have come up in your episodes. What is a sample maybe of the questions that you have for me?

• 59:33Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 59:35Sarah Marshall?

  Oh, Chelsea, I love your questions.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  Okay. All right, all right, all right. Let me think. Oh, I got one that you could maybe get because we've both done episodes about this.

• 59:45Sarah Marshall?

  All right.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  What year did the Oscar streaking happen?

• 59:50Sarah Marshall?

  Oh my gosh. Oh, Lord. Um, 1973?

• 59:55Speaker 01

  I think it was.

• 59:57Sarah Marshall?

  Seventy-four?

• 59:58Speaker 01

  It was 74. Yep.

• 1:00:00Sarah Marshall?

  Yes.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  Which I say is the year everything happened.

• 1:00:04Sarah Marshall?

  That is the year everything happened.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have a theory about 1974 as a banner year.

• 1:00:08Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, I think that's probably true. Great.

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  So yeah, great. You were like right there. You know, I feel like that's a full point.

• 1:00:15Sarah Marshall?

  It's uncanny, really.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  You did a great job.

• 1:00:17Sarah Marshall?

  Thank you, Chelsea.

• 1:00:19Speaker 01

  What are you gonna do?

• 1:00:20Sarah Marshall?

  Uh, I'm gonna take a big walk and I'm gonna finish listening to Joe Mantegna read Get Shorty.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  Oh, great.

• 1:00:29Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  You've been doing some great reading lately.

• 1:00:31Sarah Marshall?

  I've been doing some great reading and I include audiobooks in that, which is 90% of my reading.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  Audiobooks count. Don't let anyone tell you they don't.

• 1:00:39Sarah Marshall?

  They do. They have, I, yeah, and I'm telling that for people who may think they don't. They do.

• 1:00:43Speaker 01

  I'm a kinetic learner, you know?

• 1:00:45Sarah Marshall?

  What does that mean exactly?

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  Like I need to be moving. I learn better if I'm like moving at the same time.

• 1:00:51Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, me too. Yes, I agree with that.

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  It's like learning by doing.

• 1:00:55Sarah Marshall?

  Totally.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  Which is not exact, I don't know if it's exactly the right word for this, but I'm using it.

• 1:01:01Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah, we'll take it.

• 1:01:02Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:01:02Sarah Marshall?

  Yeah. And I, I don't know. I enjoy doing this with you. I, it was fun to kind of revisit past topics and think about little bits of them that I find interesting is facts that have been sort of forgotten or misremembered or the type of thing that is easily misremembered. And I've been doing this show and you and I have been, you, you've been coming on the show for a long time and the show has existed for eight years now.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:25Sarah Marshall?

  Somehow.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  Somehow.

• 1:01:27Sarah Marshall?

  And I love as, you know, misinformation finds so many ways to travel faster and bigger and just continuing to talk about stuff with you and talk about facts and also to talk about how we need to give ourselves some credit as people who do get tricked sometimes, partly because everyone is trying to trick us.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yep, absolutely.

• 1:01:49Sarah Marshall?

  And then there's human error and that's a big one too. But we're just, I don't know. I really enjoy this kind of like nostalgic approach. And I love doing shows with you. I love the Patreon episodes we've done recently on dolls and doll culture.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  It's been really fun.

• 1:02:04Sarah Marshall?

  And mail we've received, um, from people about things they made into dolls as a kid. I also wanted to say just generally to thank anyone who's supporting us on Patreon or Apple Plus, which I find awkward to say because it's like Apple Plus subscriptions. And for a long time I did not know where the plus went.

• 1:02:23Sarah Marshall?

  But to thank anyone who's supporting us and also anyone who's not supporting us because everything costs $10 million and I'm honored and amazed that we still have people who want to pay to support this podcast. And thank you for doing it. And also if you have to cancel, that's always okay.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:02:43Sarah Marshall?

  You gotta put food on your family to quote George W. Bush.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  You're all stars.

• 1:02:48Sarah Marshall?

  You're all stars.

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  You're on the select softball team of You're Wrong About.

• 1:02:54Sarah Marshall?

  Of Blank West, of You're Wrong About West.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  Wow, I never thought I'd be able to talk about that team publicly.

• 1:03:05Sarah Marshall?

  You're really breaking boundaries. I can only hear that song in a Cartman voice.

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  That's funny.

• 1:03:10Sarah Marshall?

  And it take you to the wow, wow, west.

• 1:03:15Sarah Marshall?

  Stay, stay away from the lightning strikes, Chelsea. Have a good night.

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  Can't wait to slap palms with you and watch our hands explode.

• 1:03:23Sarah Marshall?

  Oh, no.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Thank you, Sarah.

• 1:03:30Sarah Marshall?

  Thank you, Chelsea.

• 1:03:35Sarah Marshall?

  And that is our episode. Thank you so much for listening and thank you for playing along. If I could have one wish, it would be to hear all of you listening maligned women for 30 seconds. And by the way, if you enjoyed our previous episode where we asked you to send in voice memos about what you love, we're doing another one like that. We have a Halloween listener special coming up. As you probably know, we are a pretty Halloweeny show. We like to do something to commemorate the occasion every year. And this year, we decided to ask you for your Halloween stories and reminiscences, and also for any scary, spooky stories that you might have, however you interpret that prompt. We want to hear

• 1:04:18Sarah Marshall?

  wholesome Halloween. We want to hear what you remember about growing up with whatever Halloween is like for you and your family, your community. And also, if you want to send us a scary story to tell in the dark, send us that too. We're taking them all. So send us a voice memo, three minutes or less. I recommend using the voice memo app on the iPhone or the equivalent on whatever phone you have. Just hold it about a hand's length away from your face. And I know it's hard to keep it down to three minutes or under, but we just got to listen to them all. And it's the only way we can do it.

• 1:04:54Sarah Marshall?

  So send that to [email protected]. S-L-O-P-P-Y-A-N-D-A-L-I-V-E, all one word, at gmail.com. And we will listen to them all and love them all. And then we will put together an episode with some of our favorites and put it out at Halloween. And we can't wait to hear your stories and your memories. And please get those to us by the end of August, which I think is a pretty scary month as well, because, I don't know, it's when the Texas Chainsaw Massacre takes place. It's a scary time. If you want to listen to our bonus episodes, of course, you can always do that at Apple Plus and on Patreon,

• 1:05:34Sarah Marshall?

  patreon.com/You'reWrongAbout. And in our current episode, me and kitchen correspondent Sarah Archer are reading your letters about cake. And a good time is had by all. Thank you to Chelsea Weber Smith for getting into my saw trap with me. Listen to American Hysteria and get it wherever you find good podcasts. Thank you to the people who help make this show. Miranda Zickler is our producer and editor, and Nicole Ortiz is our administrative assistant. And thank you for listening, for being here, and for being exactly who you are. We'll see you in two weeks.