Confrontations, Condiments and The Paranormal

Do the Wolf and Owl believe in ghosts? This week, Tom and Romesh dive into another batch of your emails, tackling friendship dilemmas, lies, condiment controversies and the paranormal. The boys discuss whether you should confront a friend who's secretly back with their ex, reveal their favourite condiments and Romesh christens himself a "Hot Sauce Don". Plus, we receive some bizarre listener pictures of what they think producer Jon looks like. From debating ghosts and aliens, to mango chutney and mint sauce, it's another gloriously chaotic episode of Wolf & Owl. A Ranga Bee Production in partnership with Platform Media. Chapters 00:00 Intro 01:02 A friendship on the line 10:13 A condiment conundrum 11:44 Romesh loves TikTok 13:25 Favourite condiments 18:23 Some guesses on Jon 21:38 Paranormal experiences 29:05 Outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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  Welcome to the Wolf and Owl Podcast email special. Up in your grill piece.

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  Do you listen to the episodes back?

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  Now and again, yeah. I like the clips that come up. But sometimes people will say to me about, oh, something I've said two years ago. I realised that I say some weird stuff on this. Some actually weird stuff.

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  I don't think you do. I think it's just you.

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  Yeah, it's me. No, no, no, it is me, yeah.

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  What the fucking hell is this opening to this email, by the way? Dear the elegant wolf and the grumpy old owl.

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  The grumpy old owl.

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  Look at old fusty owl that's stuck in someone's laugh.

• 1:16Speaker 00

  Hello, you sweet, sweet souls. Hope you're both doing well. My best mate is seeing his ex again, but swears.

• 1:25Speaker 01

  No, don't do it, John.

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  Is seeing his ex again. You don't know what the tone of this is, do you?

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  No, never leave a bone behind. Come up for air, soldier.

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  His brother was killed in military action.

• 1:44Speaker 00

  My best mate is seeing his ex again, but swears blind he's not. I couldn't care less who he's with, but the lying is starting to grate on me. I first got suspicious when he showed me a video on his phone and I could see her messaging him. After this, he cancelled plans to go to his dad's, having told me earlier that his dad was on holiday. Then I was in a McDonald's drive-thru and spotted him and his ex in the car right behind me. A couple of days later, I asked him what he'd been up to and he told me he'd been visiting his grandma in hospital. Bizarre lie, straight to my face. We've known each other for years and it stings a bit that he's still happy to lie to me outright rather than just be honest. Part of me feels a bit selfish wanting to know everything when really it's none of my business who he sees. But I think what's upsetting me isn't the secret itself, is that my best friend doesn't feel like he confides in me. Do I say something or leave him to it? Part of me wants to ask him straight why he feels like he has to lie to me.

• 2:28Speaker 00

  Another part thinks if I push, he'll just dig in further. Everything in me is shouting to confront him. But then again, what's it to do with me? Please help. Lots of love from the greedy beagle. Thank you for your email, greedy beagle.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  Great name, greedy beagle.

• 2:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're, um, I think beagles naturally, they are quite greedy, aren't they, beagles?

• 2:46Speaker 00

  I don't know. And neither do you.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no. I'd be interested to know if they're naturally greedy or is this a little greedy beagle?

• 2:53Speaker 00

  I think it might be a rhyming thing.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  Really? Of course, yeah.

• 2:56Speaker 00

  Or like, you know, it sounds good, doesn't it?

• 2:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:59Speaker 00

  Beagles have an intense future, but that's true of all, um, are they the greediest dog breed?

• 3:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, there we go.

• 3:05Speaker 00

  Well, that case, I would say that means that the name makes less sense.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  No, but.

• 3:11Speaker 00

  You just say the beagle, don't you?

• 3:14Speaker 01

  But he's greedy for information from his friend.

• 3:16Speaker 00

  It's like going the long-nosed elephant.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  The furry bear.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  The sad hippo.

• 3:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:27Speaker 01

  Hippo's are always sad, man.

• 3:28Speaker 00

  I don't think they are. They're quite dangerous though, aren't they? One of my favourite videos to watch is them being fed an entire watermelon.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Really?

• 3:35Speaker 00

  And then they just crunch it down. It's really satisfying to watch. It's how I'd imagine you would eat. Like, I don't know, what sort of thing do I think you could smash down like a watermelon? You could do a watermelon.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  An egg?

• 3:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'd love to see you and eat an egg.

• 3:47Speaker 01

  Without the shell, obviously. Yeah, but I can eat an egg in one bite.

• 3:50Speaker 00

  It's not the flex you think it is.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  I'm trying to think the biggest thing I could get in my mouth in one bite. That could be, that could be a nice little patriot.

• 4:44Speaker 00

  I just imagine the greedy beagle just desperate for some help with his friendship. Suddenly the conversation veers on to what's the biggest thing that Tom could eat?

• 4:54Speaker 00

  Excited to hear his email read out.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Okay, let's get to the serious business of the greedy beagles problem here.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Personally, it's, uh, the McDonald's drive-thru things, that's like, it feels like coincidentally. Is that, or is he now following his friend?

• 5:12Speaker 00

  I think, let's assume it's coincidentally.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  I think that's the time where you probably should have said, I saw you and, let's just call his ex Sarah, do you think?

• 5:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't think in this discussion.

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Okay, I saw you and Sarah the other day. I saw you and Sarah at the McDonald's drive-thru the other day. Weird, you know, but I think if your friend's keeping this to himself, there's a good chance that there's some air of like, he's uncertain about it. I don't know how the relationship ended. He's probably trying to sort of see if it's working out, whether there's some sort of embarrassment or shame that he's seeing his ex again. And he doesn't quite feel confident enough about being up. I think when you feel, when you feel you're being lied to by someone, I think you can quite easily make it feel it's about you. And actually, you can almost interpret the whole situation as to being like, why are they not telling me? Why don't I, yeah, why, yeah, and

• 6:06Speaker 01

  usually it will come more down to the actual person themselves or people themselves and they won't really be thinking of, you know, positive or negative or anything about any singular person outside this relationship. And they're just probably trying to sort of, trying to work through it, I guess, and see if, if it's going to go anywhere. And if it's something even worth telling other people. But I get the onus then, you can start feeling, why are people not talking to me about this? And you can feel quite upset. So what I'd say is, um, another thing you can catastrophise that

• 6:42Speaker 01

  quite a lot. So I'd say that confronting someone is, although it would maybe give you some answers, I think also it would, I don't necessarily think, I don't think it's always a positive thing to do. I think sometimes it's actually better just stepping away, letting them just work this out. And, uh, and, and just not, I suppose, making, not making it feel like that this is about them, him not telling you and not talking to you about it. He probably will when he's comfortable. And I think that's, I'd just give him that space and that time.

• 7:18Speaker 00

  I'm trying to figure, like, you don't say greedy beagle in your email. Why is he might be worried about telling you that he's got back together with his ex? And like the most obvious one is that it was a bad breakup and that you said you've got to get away from, you've got to get away from Sarah and now he's got back together with Sarah. He's feeling worried about breaking that to you. So that is, that's the most likely reason why it's being kept a secret from you. I think that it, I don't mean this in a way, it's sort of not your business in a way. I think actually the really good friend thing to do would be to pretend that you're not noticing any of these signs at all, to make it easy for him.

• 8:03Speaker 00

  Because there is a real reason. He feels uncomfortable about getting back in this relationship. And for whatever reason, you are close friends and you've got to trust that there is a decent reason for that being kept from you.

• 8:17Speaker 00

  I would try and allude to in as subtle a way as you can, the fact that you would never judge him for whatever he does. If you want him to, I think the best way to find out about this is that he feels comfortable enough to share it with you of his own accord. I personally don't think there should ever be a point in which you confront him about it. I think you've got to trust, if Tom was keeping something from me and I found out that Tom was keeping something from me, I trust you so completely that my natural assumption would be there's a good reason you're keeping it from me. And so I would never be angered by that. I'd be like, maybe he thinks I'm going to be hurt or maybe feels awkward about telling me. I know because you and I, you know, are such good mates. It would never be malicious, it would never come from a bad place. Do you know what I mean?

• 8:59Speaker 00

  And so I think if it's a really good friend, there is a good reason why they're keeping it from you. And you've got to trust them in that regard and just let them know that you are a safe space. And so that if they decide to tell you one day, they do. Do you know what I mean? But I think the reason that you're annoyed about it is it's an ego thing. And I don't mean that in a slagging you off kind of way, but I just think it's like, it's a bit of like, my pride's been hurt that somebody that I consider to be a really good friend is not sharing this thing with me. That, that is a bit of a like, oh, that's a bit, that hurts a bit. You really, it's in, it's in your friendship's interest to put that to one side, I would say.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  If you wanted to be subtle about it and go about it in a subtle way, you know what you could do? You sort of go out for a gut of beers or whatever, have McDonald's and say, oh, you know, I keep thinking about this old Sarah. I might, yeah, I was thinking, you know, might ask her out for, see if she wants to go out for a drink.

• 9:50Speaker 00

  I think that's an insane thing to avoid.

• 9:52Speaker 01

  Really? It's like a subtle way because then he's.

• 9:56Speaker 00

  If we're assuming that the logical thing is that they had a horrible breakup, it feels really weird to go, you know, that person that you had a horrendous breakup with, I'd quite like to take her out.

• 10:08Speaker 00

  That, I would say that makes you look like more of a dangerous space.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  I was just thinking that.

• 10:14Speaker 00

  No, I get, I understand.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  Then Alan would turn around and go, oh, oh no, the, if the truth is that, no, I'm actually seeing Sarah again. Oh, bloody hell, I didn't know. Oh, no, no, yeah, fair enough, but, well.

• 10:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I'm certainly not going to reintroduce you to because it sounds like you want to go out with her. So I mean, what I would say is almost a guaranteed way to exclude yourself from that relationship completely, forever.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  Don't do that.

• 10:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, don't do that, greedy beagle. And by the way, I would, just as a little final thing, I would just go by Beagle.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:47Speaker 00

  Thank you so much for your email.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Let us know what goes on. Send pictures of yourself with your friend at McDonald's.

• 10:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, John loves those.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  Dear Wolf, Owl, Cat and Swan, long time listener, first time emailer. I've recently gone back to your older episodes and found myself becoming heavily invested in episode forty nine back in two thousand twenty one. Where, when you were ranking the humble potato in order of preference. This got me wondering what your thoughts on, uh, were on condiments. With so many available now, what would be your top sauce for choice and your, your least favourite, I'm guessing that is. Does it depend on your mood at a time or is there something that will make any slop taste amazing in your opinion? Would love to hear your valued insights, the guffing guinea pig.

• 12:02Speaker 00

  So do we know if guinea pigs are the most guffey animals in the, in the animal kingdom? We don't know. That feels like, that feels like a necessary adjective.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  I think this person has obviously listened to the podcast, but I think I've gone all in with my favourite condiment and I will never back down from that. I would die on that hill.

• 12:18Speaker 00

  Mango chutney?

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, I still stand by it. Still adore it. That would be, yeah. That would be my death row meal.

• 12:28Speaker 00

  Mango chutney?

• 12:29Speaker 01

  Well, not with everything. I'd have different stuff just with mango.

• 12:31Speaker 00

  Okay, well, I, I, I think if you go, you, I think the, the way you phrase it is I'd have that with my death row meal.

• 12:37Speaker 01

  I'd be devastated if my death row meal and they just brought me mango.

• 12:39Speaker 00

  Just a big fucking jug of mango chutney.

• 12:42Speaker 01

  With a spoon, I mean, have you, have you eaten it with a spoon on its own?

• 12:45Speaker 00

  No.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  It's delicious.

• 12:46Speaker 00

  Oh, I might have, I probably have had a spoonful of it.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh, anyhow, so I'd, I'd feel, I'd feel terrible if I'd, if I, there's nothing else for me that comes close.

• 12:56Speaker 00

  I saw a video on TikTok recently.

• 12:59Speaker 01

  Back on TikTok then?

• 13:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, back on it, big time. Am I back on TikTok just a bit?

• 13:04Speaker 01

  You love TikTok. TikTok is your, that's your space, isn't it?

• 13:07Speaker 00

  No, it's not my space.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  No, no, but to sit and watch. What, what's your algorithm now? What's it like? What, what's popping up? Big stacks, Bevo?

• 13:16Speaker 00

  No big stacks, but the Bevo appears.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 13:19Speaker 00

  Um, what else? A lot of Arsenal stuff.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 13:22Speaker 00

  Um, a lot of hip hop stuff.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. Is Bevo an Arsenal fan?

• 13:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:28Speaker 01

  Oh, God. He's a tragic little orc, isn't he? He's a, he's really is. The new kick thing, by the way, where they're just, people are just filming themselves twenty four seven, it's insane.

• 13:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  Cause they're just trying to find things to do and, and, and talk about.

• 13:45Speaker 00

  It makes a lot of money though, I think.

• 13:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, but, yeah, who's, but.

• 13:48Speaker 00

  I think you'd be good on kick.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  Maybe I'll do kick for a week.

• 13:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  But I'd have to get Billy John or Little Will to follow me around for me.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  Think it followed me for everything I did. You'd have to probably be in it quite a lot as well. They always have like a friend that they knock about with.

• 14:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I'm not turning up to what fucking.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Jim Skins' brother.

• 14:06Speaker 00

  You, you can't book me for your kick.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  No, but I'm just saying, I'll do it when you, when, you know, when you've not got much else on or I'll turn, no, I'll turn up at work when you're doing other stuff.

• 14:15Speaker 00

  All right, fine.

• 14:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, you've got to get a little dance and stuff. And then they always just start on someone who's horrible to them, don't they? That's what Bevo does all the time.

• 14:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, but yeah, I saw Bevo the other day sort of having to go to a fourteen year old kid. And then his cousin turned up.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  Oh, Bevo.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  Anyhow.

• 14:35Speaker 00

  Anyway, um.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  Uh, so, sorry, yeah, condiment wise, yeah, mango chutney would be my one that I, I.

• 14:41Speaker 00

  What's the, what's your worst one?

• 14:43Speaker 01

  My worst thing? I, I, I'm trying to think of a condiment that I, I, I'm not really.

• 14:47Speaker 00

  Mayonnaise?

• 14:49Speaker 01

  I like a garlic mayo. Aliola, is it aliola?

• 14:52Speaker 00

  Aioli.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Aioli, yeah. Um, I'm trying to, I love a condiment.

• 14:56Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 14:58Speaker 01

  Wasabi can go fuck itself.

• 14:59Speaker 00

  What can?

• 15:00Speaker 01

  Wasabi.

• 15:01Speaker 00

  Why?

• 15:02Speaker 01

  I don't have any wasabi. Too pasty. And ginger, actually.

• 15:06Speaker 00

  You don't like ginger?

• 15:07Speaker 01

  No.

• 15:08Speaker 00

  Um, you sort of seem to be centring around one particular cuisine here.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  No, I love teriyaki sauce.

• 15:13Speaker 00

  So do I, like fucking rice wrapped up in a seaweed roll.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  No, I love that. I love teriyaki and soy sauce all day. Soy sauce, by the way, mango chutney and soy sauce together. That's a fucking brethren that I can get involved in.

• 15:24Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 15:24Speaker 01

  You know, salty and sweet, right?

• 15:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 15:27Speaker 01

  Wasabi, I'm there. I just, I'm like, what's the big deal? It's so dry and pasty.

• 15:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, but it's punchy.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  I like a chili sauce. No, yeah, it's punchy above its weight, mate. That's what it's doing.

• 15:36Speaker 00

  I like wasabi.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I thought you might.

• 15:38Speaker 00

  What, what does that mean?

• 15:40Speaker 01

  No, it's the sort of thing that you culture vultures like, right?

• 15:42Speaker 00

  No, it's not, I don't think it's culture to be, to like wasabi. I, I, I, that's the sort of thing that, the idea that if you fucking like was, ooh.

• 15:53Speaker 01

  No, this is.

• 15:54Speaker 00

  You should get it in fucking boots with the sushi you buy there.

• 15:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's the sort of thing that when you're at a sushi event, make sure you load it out with wasabi, please. It's like, yeah, I, I get it.

• 16:04Speaker 00

  Mate.

• 16:07Speaker 00

  It's not the connoisseur. Nobody goes, I love a bit of wasabi.

• 16:12Speaker 00

  Fucking hell, somebody knows their sushi.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, what a nice, yeah, give me that much worth of wasabi, mate.

• 16:19Speaker 00

  Uh, I don't mind it, but it's often it's not wasabi.

• 16:22Speaker 01

  What, what do you mean?

• 16:22Speaker 00

  They've just coloured some horse radish.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  Really?

• 16:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  Horse radish actually as well, I'm not really having. Crabberry sauce I like.

• 16:27Speaker 00

  No surprise there. I've just, I've just told you it's the same thing.

• 16:35Speaker 00

  I don't think anybody's fallen off their chair at that fucking revelation.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  Crabberry sauce I like, yeah, but mango chutney I think just does everything you need. It's got enough little bit of spice in it.

• 16:52Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  You know, it's got the sweetness. Mango chutney. I'd love to just meet the person who came up with mango chutney. I mean, that's a, that's a human being that I can get on board with.

• 17:01Speaker 00

  Sure, sure. Um, for me, I've, again, I've been very vocal about this. Probably my two front runners are Lauganma Crunchy Chili O.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 17:11Speaker 00

  And Ribman's Chili Sauces.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  Ribman's very good.

• 17:15Speaker 00

  Holy fuck. Uh, Christ on a bike.

• 17:19Speaker 01

  Holy fuck.

• 17:20Speaker 00

  That's what they're called.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  You're like Kim Kardashian when you said it. You're like, holy fuck.

• 17:24Speaker 00

  Bullshit. You can't, you can't, that is not how I did it.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  I don't mean that.

• 17:28Speaker 00

  Holy fuck, Christ on a bike.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  They are.

• 17:31Speaker 00

  Judas is scary hot.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  I like sesame, there's, uh, Catherine brought like a sesame, uh, like a, a sort of sauce rather than an oil.

• 17:39Speaker 00

  I don't, I don't think there's any that I particularly dislike. I, I'll say that Lisa, the swan.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:45Speaker 00

  Has got a, a problem with mint sauce.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  What loves it?

• 17:49Speaker 00

  Fucking loves it. Like, puts loads of it on loads of stuff that you don't think mint sauce, yeah. She's a big, a huge fan.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  I, I'd get mint sauce on lamb.

• 17:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  Probably chicken.

• 18:00Speaker 00

  She'd put, she'd put, she would put mint sauce on any roast. And I think if it's socially acceptable, she'd put it on pasta.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  What? That's insane.

• 18:08Speaker 00

  She loves it.

• 18:09Speaker 01

  It's nice with a little bit of cauliflower cheese.

• 18:10Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  Takes the sulphur away. Um, cauliflower. Ketchup, by the way, I went through a stage around ketchup just on everything.

• 18:20Speaker 00

  We've got a problem at home with the boys smashing through too much ketchup.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  Really?

• 18:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, they love it.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Have you, any of them having the Ribman stuff?

• 18:27Speaker 00

  No, none of them have moved on to, none of them actually. In fact, I'm the only one in my house that has hot sauces and we've got loads of them.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, you, you're known as a hot sauce guy.

• 18:35Speaker 00

  I'm a hot sauce Don.

• 18:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'd love, have you done the hot challenge? That, that, the one they do with the different sauces?

• 18:41Speaker 00

  No.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  I'd love to do that with you.

• 18:43Speaker 00

  I did a chili eating competition though.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did one of those in, um, I think we did League of Our Own.

• 18:47Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  October first.

• 18:50Speaker 00

  No, but do you remember when you did the, um, we did the hot wings thing on League of Our Own?

• 18:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was fucking insane. With Paddy and.

• 18:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, and you, you're fucking.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  It went in my eye.

• 18:58Speaker 00

  A little bit went in your eye and you're basically, they had to call like, what, three medics on?

• 19:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was fucking intense.

• 19:04Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  By the way, so fucking demeaning in front of Paddy the Baddy, who's one of the hardest guys.

• 19:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, he, I, I would say, look, Paddy the Baddy was great on that show.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  I adored him, by the way.

• 19:13Speaker 00

  What he wasn't was empathetic.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  No, he's got the move.

• 19:16Speaker 00

  To your situation.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  He, well, he never would have empathy.

• 19:19Speaker 00

  No.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  He was, yeah, that's not in his locker. You've got to take someone down on that. He's the opposite of empathy.

• 19:25Speaker 00

  I think if you'd have been really in trouble.

• 19:26Speaker 01

  Gotta say, he's got a very sweet side to him.

• 19:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's really nice guy. I'm a big fan.

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, yeah, I enjoyed him.

• 19:34Speaker 00

  Long time listener, first time caller. I'll keep the email tame and simple. Love you guys.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  Which is really, I could have either of those.

• 19:41Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 19:42Speaker 01

  On my gravestone. Tom Davis lies here, tame and simple.

• 19:47Speaker 00

  I love you guys. Keep it up. Always make me look like a madman laughing to myself when I'm listening with my headphones in work. You asked us to send pictures of what we think John looks like. I think he looks like this. That's from Phil the Lion. Doesn't rhyme. I just like, what I was, I just like lions. And what else was I gonna say? Phil the krill. Okay, fair enough.

• 20:05Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 20:05Speaker 00

  Oh, so it's a picture of, well, you can see the picture.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  John sent this in himself.

• 20:10Speaker 00

  This is so weird. The idea that anybody gives a fuck what John looks like.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  I love this idea, isn't it?

• 20:15Speaker 00

  He's clearly, Johnny clearly knocked this up yourself.

• 20:18Speaker 02

  Tom asked people to send it.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did, yeah, yeah.

• 20:20Speaker 00

  Did you? Oh, I forgot that.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  Is that the guy, is this the guy from National Treasure with Nicolas Cage? Or is that an AI picture?

• 20:27Speaker 00

  I think it might be an AI picture, bearing in mind there's a wolf and an owl looking over either shoulder, you mad bastard.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  Oh shit, I just noticed that. He looks a bit like, uh, what's his face from The Office? The guy's Tim.

• 20:38Speaker 00

  Tim, yeah.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  No, no, no, the, the Tim.

• 20:40Speaker 00

  Oh Gareth.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  No, no, the version of Tim in the American one.

• 20:43Speaker 00

  Oh, Jim.

• 20:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, Jim, yeah.

• 20:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:46Speaker 00

  Does look a bit like Jim, yeah.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's quite a white, it's, yeah.

• 20:49Speaker 00

  What I would say is, I don't know what the prompts have been for this picture, but it shows, I would say it shows a slight lack of understanding of how podcasts are put together.

• 20:58Speaker 01

  I love all the paperwork.

• 21:00Speaker 00

  I don't know what paperwork you think there is on this unplanned podcast.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  No excuses. Get it, get it done. Wow.

• 21:08Speaker 01

  Well, it's a great picture, to be fair. Actually, I think we've got a runner here with these.

• 21:13Speaker 00

  I don't think we should encourage people to knock up AI pictures.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  What? No, I, I was expecting like that they'd draw them themselves.

• 21:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  Funny you say that.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  That's actually more like John, in a way, like clove wise.

• 21:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, and he often has that expression on his face.

• 21:32Speaker 01

  Don't say it.

• 21:34Speaker 00

  He's got a button up today.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, he's, yeah, that's actually a lot of clove wise, it's.

• 21:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's not bad.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:40Speaker 00

  So what, what happened? Is that from Phil the Krill as well?

• 21:43Speaker 02

  No, that's, that's from Dom.

• 21:44Speaker 00

  That's from Dom.

• 21:45Speaker 01

  That's from Dom. That's a great, that's a nice picture. Are you sure of artwork? Like, you're quite good at drawing, aren't you?

• 21:51Speaker 00

  Not particularly, but I, I am, what I would say, Dom, thank you for your picture. I, I am surprised that he's chosen to take a photo of that and send it in.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think as well, it looks like John's a real golfer. No, you look like a golfer there.

• 22:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true.

• 22:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:10Speaker 00

  Sorry, I'm not trying to be horrible, but this, this picture's shit.

• 22:17Speaker 00

  He spent thirty seconds doing a doodle on like some line paper.

• 22:22Speaker 01

  Can I say that he's closer than the AI picture clothing wise? He's tucked in, the belt.

• 22:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's often got his arms up. That can't go in the edit, guys.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  I've never actually seen him with his arms up.

• 22:33Speaker 00

  No.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  Ever. Quite a sort of arms down.

• 22:36Speaker 00

  No, not with a light shirt like that.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  He's quite a casual chap.

• 22:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  And he doesn't wear a cap anymore?

• 22:42Speaker 00

  He never wears a cap, does he?

• 22:43Speaker 01

  So Kido's coming in, as you can see, we really enjoy them.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  Dear Wolf, Owl, Cat and Swan, I was wondering whether.

• 22:52Speaker 00

  Can you read slowly? Cause I've got, I've got, I'm gonna read this Percy Pig.

• 22:57Speaker 01

  In quite a sexy way.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  Um, I was wondering whether either of you has ever had a genuinely paranormal or unexplained experience? I mean, we've talked about this quite extensively. Whether it's seeing a ghost, experiencing something spooky, or just something you still can't explain to this day? If not, are you believers in the paranormal? Or do you think there's always a logical explanation? Would love to hear your stories or skepticism from the ghostly goose.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  Um, I mean, we had, we, there was a number of years back, the ghost incident in the hotel.

• 23:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  Which was definitely, it was two actually incidents we've had on this podcast. There was the incident in Essex when we were filming King Gary, we had adjoining rooms. Um, which you were very, very sceptical about.

• 23:44Speaker 00

  Well, there was no ghosts.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  There was a fucking ghost. I've never ever been as convinced in my life that there was a ghost. Right? And then when we, I think we were playing at, I can't remember, we were doing the Wolf and I Live, maybe Hammer Smith? And then it was like, there was that suspicious thing with the shower.

• 24:00Speaker 00

  What suspicious thing?

• 24:01Speaker 01

  Well, someone had used the shower, but we, no one.

• 24:03Speaker 00

  I don't think, I, I think if you're in a dressing room and a shower looks like it's been used.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, but Gratz said he didn't use it. You said you hadn't used it. Dennis hadn't used it, or Flo hadn't used it. So who would it have been?

• 24:15Speaker 00

  Well, because those are the only people that entered the Hammer Smith Apollo.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  No, no one else is allowed to go in the dressing room and have a shower. You can't just, it'll be a sort of fucking.

• 24:24Speaker 00

  Do you think it's possible that somebody working at the Apollo?

• 24:28Speaker 01

  By the way, can I say the shower was still warm and steamy when I, and I like.

• 24:32Speaker 00

  This is, this is, this is added detail now. Uh, and this is exactly the reason why paranormal stories occur. Cause that isn't true, what you've just said. You've added that in your little memories eye.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  Right. When I went in there, I was like, oh, and I remember just touching the water, like the, the steamy sort of like glass. I'm going, fucking hell, there was a towel sort of like wet and, what? I'm just saying, I mean, the ghost wouldn't dry itself. That's the only thing, I guess.

• 24:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, I guess. Cause you could see it taking a shower.

• 25:03Speaker 00

  But drying itself, that's when I start to wonder whether it was a ghost.

• 25:10Speaker 00

  You're right.

• 25:17Speaker 01

  You don't believe, do you? You're not a believer?

• 25:19Speaker 00

  Not particularly. I mean.

• 25:20Speaker 01

  I'm a mass believer.

• 25:21Speaker 00

  I'm trying to be open minded about it. I can't really go into details, but Rob and I have done an episode of Rob and Ramesh Versus where we looked into the supernatural. And without giving anything away, it has left me more open minded to do it.

• 25:33Speaker 01

  I'm so, I'm, I'm a mass believer. I think they're out there.

• 25:39Speaker 01

  I'd go sand aliens.

• 25:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, aliens, I think, I, I think are out there.

• 25:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:44Speaker 00

  But ghosts, I, I don't know. I'm cynical. Well, a long time ago, we, uh, said to send us in haunted places.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:55Speaker 00

  And when I read the stories, I decided, because we were gonna stay in one.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 25:59Speaker 00

  And then we decided, I decided against it and then because it sounded too fucked up.

• 26:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a lot of scary places out there.

• 26:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, but no, but I think most of the time haunting stuff is probably, there's an explanation.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm a believer in it. And I also think it comes to people who believe more. Cause I think ghosts have got like, you know, there's some level of them that like, you know, there's a lot of fucking hard work to be done with a non believer.

• 26:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:24Speaker 01

  So I just think.

• 26:25Speaker 00

  But why do ghosts want you to believe? Why do they want to be known?

• 26:28Speaker 01

  So you get some appreciation for their work.

• 26:31Speaker 00

  What work?

• 26:31Speaker 01

  Well, if they're around ghosting and fucking haunting places, it's nothing more soul destroying. It's like you doing a gig and someone going, oh, I don't really like comedy. I don't really believe in it. It's like.

• 26:41Speaker 00

  Is that what you believe ghosts are?

• 26:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 26:43Speaker 00

  They've got a job to haunt and like scare people.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, because they're stuck on planet earth having to haunt them. Much rather be putting their feet up right in the afterlife.

• 26:49Speaker 00

  So why do they want their work to be known about?

• 26:51Speaker 01

  So they probably want, they get a certain level of help haunting, a bit like Monsters Inc. And they get fucking to go into the afterlife.

• 26:58Speaker 00

  That's what you believe?

• 26:59Speaker 01

  Well, I'm only saying it now and that's, yeah, but I think there's good reasons for what I'm saying.

• 27:03Speaker 00

  Right.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  So, yeah, what my point is, is like, if I'm a ghost, right?

• 27:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  And you walked in and someone went, oh, Terry, probably give him a scare. I'll go, don't worry about him. I can, you know, to knock your pipe out scaring him. He's, you know, got to get him to believe first, then you've got to scare him. I, whereas they saw me coming, go, wait, tell, scare him. I go, oh yes, this will be fun. Watch this. Yeah.

• 27:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, I think we've got a difference of opinion. I also think we've got a difference of opinion in what, how ghosts would conduct themselves if they existed.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Really?

• 27:34Speaker 00

  Well, I, I mean, what, what I read about and what I've read about and what I saw in that show is just like they're, it's like, um, the ghost doesn't notice a ghost.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  Well, ghosts don't see each other.

• 27:45Speaker 00

  Well, they're not going and hanging. I don't think they do socials.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  That's sad, isn't it?

• 27:49Speaker 00

  But like you go to a place.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Especially if you're in the same house as another ghost and didn't even know they were there. You're just walking around lonely and then just.

• 27:55Speaker 00

  I think that's what it is. You're just trapped in this sort of.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  You're, yeah, exactly.

• 27:58Speaker 00

  You're trapped in like this certain fragment of your life is what I think.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  And just replaying it over and over.

• 28:02Speaker 00

  Yeah. That's why they say like, you know, like, if you stay here for long enough, there's a little girl that walks down the corridor.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  That one scares me the shit out of me.

• 28:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  When we were filming We're Not The Vampire, that place was haunted to shit, boy. Just, it would go cold.

• 28:16Speaker 00

  Did everyone else think that?

• 28:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:18Speaker 00

  Everyone on the cast?

• 28:19Speaker 01

  Everyone felt it, everyone, pretty much everyone. There's some non believers. But I'd say that most people, yeah, there was a fear, you know, a fear that ran through their.

• 28:28Speaker 00

  I do, I do think, look, I do think we have to, we have to stay somewhere.

• 28:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm, I'm up for it.

• 28:34Speaker 00

  I think we, we take a camera.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:36Speaker 00

  And let's go stay somewhere.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  John's in. Johnny Ghosts.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  Should we all wear Ghostbusters outfits?

• 28:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't mind doing that.

• 28:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, that'd be fun.

• 28:47Speaker 00

  Um, could, if anybody's got a good place that we could go to, wolfalpod at gmail.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  By the way, I think.

• 28:53Speaker 00

  We are actually, by the way, now that we've gone up to this level of things, so people are used to us.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:58Speaker 00

  Like saying that we're gonna do stuff and we're not doing it. The club night is happening.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:03Speaker 00

  This will happen.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Can I just say, a lot of this was down and we, we make light of it. John is very much pushing us to do this stuff. John has come in as a new manager who's brilliant. And that's one of the things you should all give John a lot of gratitude for that.

• 29:15Speaker 00

  The thing that I would close, most closely sort of compare him to is, um.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  Gosh, Southgate?

• 29:21Speaker 00

  No, Jojo Siwa's mum in Dance Moms.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  That's brilliant. So, but I think to make it really interesting, John picks the place we go to.

• 29:36Speaker 00

  Okay, so John selects.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  And we don't know anything about it. So when we turn up.

• 29:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:39Speaker 01

  John's done a little document that we read.

• 29:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then we find out.

• 29:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think, I, I would actually say, like, he's not saying anything now, that would, it would be lovely for you to discuss that off podcast. That you're giving him some work to do, like that. That he's now got to create a fucking document.

• 29:57Speaker 00

  The, the whole time you were speculating on him doing that, you didn't even make eye contact with him. You just said it to me like he's a fucking genie.

• 30:09Speaker 01

  I'll text him about it.

• 30:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, okay, cool.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, it's exciting.

• 30:13Speaker 00

  So that's, there you go. So thank you so much for your email.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 30:17Speaker 00

  Uh, thank you for sending those in. If you want to get in touch, you can email wolfalpod at gmail dot com and we would love to hear from you.

• 30:22Speaker 01

  See you next time, friends.

• 30:23Speaker 00

  Next time, maybe in a haunted mansion. Can you add an effect?

• 30:30Speaker 00

  Or don't?

• 30:31Speaker 01

  That's so muggy.

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