Bedroom Feedback, Gary Neville and Sleep Routines

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Welcome to the Wolf and Al email special.

• 0:02Speaker 01

  Welcome.

• 0:03Speaker 00

  Well, congratulations, because now in studio, we did two eps a week.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  You've sent in your emails. Now it's time for the boys to read them.

• 0:10Speaker 00

  And what's the email address, Tom?

• 0:12Speaker 01

  It is [email protected].

• 0:17Speaker 00

  Come on, my guy. So proud of you. Weird that you went for that hand.

• 0:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:21Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 0:37Speaker 00

  So let's do our first email, shall we?

• 0:39Speaker 01

  Let's do it. I'm so excited about that. I don't know why. I just feel like I've come into this with a very sort of like, you know, like.

• 0:46Speaker 00

  What's that?

• 0:46Speaker 01

  I can't. There's not a word for it. Like, elated.

• 0:50Speaker 00

  Horrible. Do it again.

• 0:55Speaker 00

  Bit bigger.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  This feels so like, I don't know why. I've just come into this with an energy that just, I feel like nothing can top this feeling right now.

• 1:04Speaker 00

  Well, let's see if this email can.

• 1:07Speaker 01

  That's sad. Sad indication of where my life is. What was your highlight of 2026? Um, we're doing a podcast and we just entered into an email episode and I just felt so fucking good about life.

• 1:19Speaker 00

  Let's see how you get on. Uh, hey, I've been listening to the show for a short while whilst walking to keep my steps up.

• 1:25Speaker 01

  Great thing to do.

• 1:25Speaker 00

  That's good. Uh, what are your, what's your step situation currently?

• 1:28Speaker 01

  At least 12,000 a day.

• 1:29Speaker 00

  Are you managing that?

• 1:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31Speaker 00

  I reckon I'm doing two, two, three thousand.

• 1:33Speaker 01

  No, mate, I've watched the play. In the play, at least you're doing five.

• 1:36Speaker 00

  Oh, do you? I didn't think about that.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're doing five, six thousand on the play.

• 1:39Speaker 00

  And I'm going up and down the stairs.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40Speaker 00

  Holy shit.

• 1:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, easily.

• 1:41Speaker 00

  I'm smashing it. It's great, especially on the cold days, though random strangers do wonder what I'm laughing at as they walk by.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  Tell them, we need more listeners.

• 1:49Speaker 00

  Absolutely. They can't see.

• 1:50Speaker 01

  I wish people would go.

• 1:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. They can't see the earbuds under the winter hat.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  Okay, cool.

• 1:56Speaker 00

  Anyhow, this is just a quick question regarding the World Cup football. Whether you guys together or individually will be doing any podcasty related stuff for it, even if it's just Trump impressions. I should have added, I was wondering if you could do a comics get together and maybe run an alternative commentary. Surely there's some comedic gems hiding in that. Look forward to hearing back. That's from Sunil.

• 2:15Speaker 01

  Hello, Sono. Um, it's.

• 2:18Speaker 00

  Oh, that's not really that positive response.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  No, no, it's good.

• 2:20Speaker 00

  You feeling like this?

• 2:23Speaker 01

  No, cause, no, no, I'm just, you know what, it's just, it sparked, it sparked something in me a little. I, I weirdly did a show years ago called comedians, uh, watching football, which is like a goggle.

• 2:32Speaker 00

  I remember that show. Yeah, I never did that. Who did you do it with?

• 2:36Speaker 01

  Joe Wilkinson.

• 2:37Speaker 00

  Oh, that's nice.

• 2:37Speaker 01

  Which is fun. Um, we didn't often talk about football, we usually just chat about any other old crap, but, um. It's, it's a weird one, isn't it? Because I do think there is probably something in sort of, but I, I think as comedians, you're just gonna chat about anything apart from the football.

• 2:51Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 2:52Speaker 01

  I think it's like.

• 2:53Speaker 00

  I don't think people will mind that.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  No, no, I, I sometimes listen to the commentary, by the way, and, and, and sort of think, I wonder what so and so's had for lunch.

• 3:02Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  I'd, I'd rather like hear what Gary Neville.

• 3:04Speaker 00

  I don't really like it when, if the game's a bit slow and they start to go into like.

• 3:10Speaker 00

  He had a bit of a nightmare journey in, didn't he? Or whatever, you know, when they.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  I like all that. I'd rather that than, you know, when they try and do it and they try to set sex the game up and it's a boring game. And they try to.

• 3:20Speaker 00

  I, I think there's nothing wrong with it.

• 3:21Speaker 01

  Every moment going, oh, wow, look, this really feels like it's picking up.

• 3:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  There's a goalkeeper sort of does an overarm throw instead of an underarm one.

• 3:29Speaker 00

  I think there's an argument to just stay quiet for a bit. I think, I think commentators often.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  I always worry if something's happened, if that happens.

• 3:35Speaker 00

  Right.

• 3:35Speaker 01

  If, if Gary Neville and whoever's quiet, I go, oh, fucking hell, they're all right.

• 3:39Speaker 00

  Hmm. I, uh.

• 3:41Speaker 01

  Do you think they eat?

• 3:43Speaker 00

  Do I think they eat?

• 3:44Speaker 01

  Super Sunday, no, Super Sunday, do you think they at any point, because that's the thing me and Joe used to do. We used to do the first half and we'd always mentioned, like, are we gonna have burgers second half, we're gonna eat second half pizza or whatever. So second half, they had to always for, for continuity, uh, for.

• 3:59Speaker 00

  Jesus Christ.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  Had to always have, yeah, have like, uh, we always were eating in the second half.

• 4:05Speaker 00

  Right, right, right.

• 4:05Speaker 01

  So I'm just like, Super Sunday's the biggest busy, I'm just using Gary Neville because he's used it or, or Carragher's co-commentating.

• 4:11Speaker 00

  A bit angry at Gary Neville at the moment, actually.

• 4:12Speaker 01

  Why? What's he done?

• 4:15Speaker 00

  Do you know, uh?

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Have you met him, by the way?

• 4:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, he came in League of Their Own.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 4:21Speaker 00

  I like Gary Neville.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  I do, I I quite enjoy it.

• 4:23Speaker 00

  A bit upset with him.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  You've got Gary Neville energy in some ways. Well, that's a lovely compliment.

• 4:29Speaker 00

  Is it? How?

• 4:30Speaker 01

  He's great. Gary Neville's quite fucking, I love him for so many reasons.

• 4:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, but sorry, I've got nothing against Gary Neville, although I'm a bit upset with him at the moment.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:38Speaker 00

  But, um, when you say something like that, it's never normally a compliment.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  That is a man I can't.

• 4:43Speaker 00

  Okay, why do you think I've got Gary Neville, Gary Neville energy?

• 4:47Speaker 01

  The way you just said it like that is very Gary Neville.

• 4:49Speaker 00

  In what way, though?

• 4:50Speaker 01

  You've just, you've just got Gary Neville, it's hard to be specific, but if there was any footballer, I was gonna say you have, you've like, you've been injected with their energy, Gary Neville and you would be.

• 5:00Speaker 00

  Not Ian Wright or anyone like that?

• 5:01Speaker 01

  No, definitely you don't, come on.

• 5:03Speaker 00

  No, but I mean, energy, I'm not talking about football ability.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  No, don't.

• 5:06Speaker 00

  Just sort of general vibe.

• 5:07Speaker 01

  You've nothing like Ian Wright.

• 5:09Speaker 00

  Why?

• 5:10Speaker 01

  Ian Wright is, Ian Wright's crazy.

• 5:13Speaker 00

  In what way?

• 5:13Speaker 01

  Ian Wright's more like Beckett, I think.

• 5:15Speaker 00

  Right, okay. And who would you be?

• 5:17Speaker 01

  Um, probably.

• 5:20Speaker 00

  Matthew Flamini?

• 5:24Speaker 01

  No, I don't know, uh, probably like someone who's a bit more, yeah, silly and sort of, probably like Jamie Vardy or someone like that.

• 5:32Speaker 00

  Fucking hell, do you know what? Shut up. Sorry, that was such a nothing, horrible thing to say.

• 5:38Speaker 01

  I like Jamie Vardy.

• 5:39Speaker 00

  No, but you've got this, you, I, I, every now and again, you, the mask slips and I get inside to, you, basically, you think I'm some sort of bookish nerd.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 5:47Speaker 00

  And you think you're some sort of happy-go-lucky kind of wacky character that everybody loves.

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Let's just, let's just look at the booking you're making, right? You're sitting there and you're looking at what you're gonna book in. With Gary Neville, you're gonna get a very specific thing. By the way, I think Gary Neville can be quite funny at times.

• 6:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, he can be, yeah.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  He, I'm saying with Gary Neville, you're gonna get someone who I think is a sure set. Like pair of hands to fucking go right, that's the guy that's gonna fucking hold this shit together.

• 6:10Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 6:11Speaker 01

  Right. With someone like Jamie Vardy, you're gonna pull Jamie Vardy in for silly soundbites and and stuff that he's gonna say that he'll get wrong or whatever.

• 6:18Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  I'm not saying that as a compliment to myself. I I would often, well, like, I'd love to be people go, oh, God, the the. Tom Davis' observation on this was so intelligently thought out, but it's not people go, oh, my God, that story out about shitting himself in nineteen ninety eight was the funniest thing we'd heard.

• 6:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  It's like, that is what I'm saying.

• 6:35Speaker 00

  You're better at comedy than me.

• 6:37Speaker 01

  No, I'm.

• 6:37Speaker 00

  Well, that's good. Well, that that's sort of what I'm taking from this.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  I'm a I'm a bigger fool.

• 6:41Speaker 00

  What you're saying is I'm I'm I'm holding this shit together and you're saying funny stuff. That that is that is a summary of what you've just said.

• 6:47Speaker 01

  I'm more of a fool, I think. I'm more of your your.

• 6:49Speaker 00

  A jester.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Right, I think, right, I think people would laugh at like at me with more than they'd laugh with you, I think.

• 6:56Speaker 00

  Just don't, eh, fuck off.

• 6:58Speaker 01

  Don't you think that that that's Gary Neville, by the way, I think is generally one of my favourite things on TV.

• 7:03Speaker 00

  I'm very angry about what he said about Gabriel Martinelli.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  What's he said about Gabriel?

• 7:07Speaker 00

  You know when he like, who was it that got injured for Liverpool and then he was like trying to shove him off? Obviously didn't realise how bad the injury was. And then Gary Neville said, I'm surprised that some of the Liverpool fans didn't set about him.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  What?

• 7:17Speaker 00

  They should have laid into him.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  Oh, that's what it means. But but Gary, for the most part, I think, I I think Gary has a good.

• 7:22Speaker 00

  Gary, I know you watch this because you feel like the overlap's being threatened. Just think about what you say.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Do you think, because you know, Gary, people are saying that it's political.

• 7:34Speaker 00

  What's political?

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Well, Gary Neville could be like a Labour, he could actually be running for Labour, sort of, a seat in the Labour.

• 7:40Speaker 00

  Right. Would you like to see that?

• 7:42Speaker 01

  I just think at the point, I think we're at a point now, we probably need loads of celebrities just to start running.

• 7:46Speaker 00

  Why? Well, you and I firmly disagree on this. Celebrities need to stay the fuck out of it.

• 7:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, but at the moment, I just think at least it makes it more fun.

• 7:54Speaker 00

  In what way?

• 7:55Speaker 01

  Well, I don't know, like Gavin Ennerco versus Ian Botham.

• 7:58Speaker 00

  At what?

• 8:01Speaker 00

  Discussing taxation? What are you talking about?

• 8:03Speaker 01

  No, that, I think you have, like, all the cleverpods behind him who are just a bit quiet.

• 8:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:08Speaker 01

  And it becomes a bit more like WWE.

• 8:09Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 8:12Speaker 00

  Now I know you're just trying to wind me up.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  No, I'm just saying.

• 8:14Speaker 00

  You are. You're being a little cheeky little bugger now. You're saying stuff to wind me up.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  I just think it could be an interesting way.

• 8:22Speaker 00

  Hmm, okay.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  Who do you think would win between Ian Botham and Gary Lineker? Like running the country?

• 8:27Speaker 00

  Who would? Fuck me.

• 8:31Speaker 00

  Who do I think would win between Gary Neville and Ian Botham?

• 8:33Speaker 01

  Gary, yeah, or Neville.

• 8:34Speaker 00

  Gary Lineker.

• 8:35Speaker 01

  Or Gary Neville and Ian Botham.

• 8:36Speaker 00

  Gary Neville and Ian Botham. I mean, look, it's an insane question, but I would say Gary Neville.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 8:41Speaker 00

  Anyway, and answer your questions, Sinnoh, I don't think we are gonna do World Cup specific stuff, are we?

• 8:45Speaker 01

  I think we'll probably talk about it when it's on.

• 8:47Speaker 00

  Who do you think's gonna win?

• 8:49Speaker 01

  I don't know, I'm loathe, I always get like, sort of like, mixed up in hype and say England and then really regret it. I don't know, I think, I suppose it's been held in America and it's the last waltz of Messi, isn't it? So it could be, Argentina are a good side as well.

• 9:04Speaker 00

  All right, shall we go to the next question, Sinnoh?

• 9:08Speaker 01

  Okay, do you want me to read this one?

• 9:09Speaker 00

  I'd love you to, yeah.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  Hi Swan, Wolf and Al. I'm a new listener and fervently trying to catch up from the start. I started listening in late 2025 and really enjoy the cheeky brotherly love between you two. And it's refreshing to see how two adult men can discuss various topics with care and integrity. I often agree with you and the advice you give, although generally I agree more with the Al's advice. Sorry Wolf.

• 9:37Speaker 01

  I guess you won't call me a sweet, sweet soul if you actually read this one out. Well, that's great, isn't it? Because, so, Gonspiser, I'm reading this one out. Anyway, I felt the urge to email you because in episode 43, way back in 2021, a listener emailed you about their neighbour's noisy sex. Tom then went on to say he doesn't make sounds during sex and it's not something he thinks men are required to do.

• 10:02Speaker 00

  Hold on, can we just stop that? Did you say that?

• 10:03Speaker 01

  I don't remember saying, I mean, I say a lot of shit on this.

• 10:05Speaker 00

  You saying you don't think it's something men are required to do? That that doesn't really sound.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  It doesn't say that I I don't think I'd say I don't think it's something that men are required.

• 10:16Speaker 00

  Tom then went on to say, he doesn't make sounds during sex, that I believe.

• 10:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:19Speaker 00

  And it's not something he thinks.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  I'm very, I'm just, yeah, yeah.

• 10:21Speaker 00

  Yeah, and it's not something he thinks men are required to do.

• 10:24Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't think I'd have used that terminology.

• 10:26Speaker 00

  No, anyway, carry on.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  And this is where I disagree with him.

• 10:29Speaker 00

  Well, we don't even know if you've said it.

• 10:31Speaker 01

  I've had to ask my husband, we've been together twelveish years, to be more vocal, especially when he's close to climaxing.

• 10:37Speaker 00

  Oh, God. This is why.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  It helps me get him to the finish line, too.

• 10:42Speaker 00

  Oh, God.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  I think it's because I'm a giver and my enjoyment is intertwined with his pleasure of fucking, why have I had to read this one? No, I'm not talking about performance, grunting and fake climaxing noises. Those would pick me off, although I don't mind the dirt, odd, dirty, sexy statement. So my question is, have your wives ever asked you to be a bit more vocal during sex? And if not, would you be up for trying it to see their reaction? Also, you introduce any new tricks into your sex life? Christ almighty. Um, please keep me anonymous. Oh, yeah, fucking, you know.

• 11:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, as long as you're anonymous. Let's talk about what noises you make in bed, but keep me anonymous.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  Because I'm elect, I'm an elected local councillor in my area. And I'd rather not be known as a naughty councillor. Love the sea water turtle.

• 11:32Speaker 00

  Brackets, Keir Starmer. Oh, uh, okay. Um.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 11:37Speaker 00

  Tom.

• 11:40Speaker 00

  How open are you willing to be in this conversation?

• 11:41Speaker 01

  I mean, I'll be open to an extent. I think it's actually more, I, I, I'm a very open, but then I sometimes have to take in consideration that I'm talking about.

• 11:49Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  That there's two people I'm talking about.

• 11:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  So in, in that sense, yeah, me and my wife.

• 11:55Speaker 00

  Oh, right, okay.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  Uh, and likewise for you. So there's a sense of here and I, there's a part of me, even just reading, having this back.

• 12:01Speaker 00

  You felt awkward.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  No, no, just more, maybe I've been a bit too open in another situation.

• 12:05Speaker 00

  Right, okay.

• 12:06Speaker 01

  And actually, maybe I should, I should look at him and think.

• 12:08Speaker 00

  Okay, let's not comment on what Lisa and Cat do.

• 12:11Speaker 01

  No, no, and also this, this talk about us as a whole. Yeah. You made this even more creepy word than it had to be. Um, I, I do think that there's an element of, um, over the years. I think like quietly laying there.

• 12:28Speaker 00

  What's going on?

• 12:29Speaker 01

  No, no, it's just, I, I, I think like men, for the most part, I do think men sort of like feel weird about making sort of too much. I mean, what, are you a noisy lover?

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Are you a rumpus lover?

• 12:43Speaker 00

  I don't know, I, I, I don't know if I wanna talk about this.

• 12:48Speaker 00

  I, I, I, I, this is, I thought I wanted to be open and as soon as you directed the light towards me, I.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  No, no, cause I knew that you were doing it to me. You wanted to see what, what my hand was and then you'd.

• 12:59Speaker 00

  I'll tell you where your hand was.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. My, my thing about it is it's a very, and it's probably why they've asked to be anonymous. It's because it's a very open thing and I, I think there's a certain, there's pretty certain boundaries. I will say that whenever I've talked about it. And like, I think the fact of the matter is, I think.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  I think for a man, sometimes it's.

• 13:20Speaker 00

  You've really taken, put your hand firmly on the tiller for this answer, haven't you?

• 13:24Speaker 01

  No, what I'm doing is, do you know how I feel like?

• 13:26Speaker 00

  Who?

• 13:27Speaker 01

  I do now feel like a politician, I'm like beefy botham in a, I'm trying to sort of skirt around a very like delicate issue. Uh, and not, and not offend or upset anyone involved in the whole thing. Um.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  I do remember one of the worst, no, no, I just remember one of the worst things I ever had, uh, well before I was with Catherine, I was.

• 13:49Speaker 00

  Smart.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  I think I probably have got more stupid since I've been with her, but anyway, um, I was, I, I was with a woman. And afterwards, when I did climax, I tell her, oh mate, that was the worst thing I've ever said. Post-sex, I think that was awful. That felt. That was just such an, oh mate, felt like I really.

• 14:13Speaker 00

  I've said stuff like, oh gosh.

• 14:21Speaker 01

  That?

• 14:22Speaker 00

  I, no, I.

• 14:24Speaker 00

  I remember, I remember finishing having sex and then I just almost immediately going, that was amazing.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  Have you ever done it where you thank someone after? It's like a real, oh, thank, oh, thank.

• 14:44Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  Oh, wow, that, thank you. It's.

• 14:48Speaker 00

  This is so embarrassing. I didn't think, I didn't think I could be embarrassed, but I'm finding this really tricky.

• 14:52Speaker 01

  In four years, it's been, and do you know what? It actually weirdly makes, I kind of thought me and you were open enough.

• 14:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  This is the one email.

• 15:00Speaker 00

  Do you know what? I've, I've always laboured under the, the illusion that I'm, that I'm completely open and happy to talk about anything. I think partly it's least is privacy. Okay, what I will say is this, okay, I am gonna say this, right? Because I do think in the interest of the podcast, I'm not completely silent during sex. There you go, I've said that.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm not, I don't lie there like that.

• 15:23Speaker 00

  Sometimes what I would say.

• 15:27Speaker 00

  Sometimes what I would say is I do say things in the heat of, in the heat of battle, that when you come back down afterwards, you sort of think that was a bit embarrassing.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  What, like? Oh, you look like two little schoolboys.

• 15:43Speaker 00

  So a lot of it is me asking for feedback on what I'm doing.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Is that nice? Are you finding that all right? Yep, go once more around there, shall we?

• 16:05Speaker 01

  Stop there or keep going? Is that good? You tell me honestly.

• 16:09Speaker 00

  Is it better like this or like this?

• 16:11Speaker 01

  You, you've been honest.

• 16:12Speaker 00

  Sorry again, is it better like this or like this?

• 16:14Speaker 01

  You've been truthful, you've been.

• 16:15Speaker 00

  Oh, God, anyway.

• 16:21Speaker 00

  Hello, Wolf and Owl, I'm the tired tortoise. I love my job, my home life is good, nothing is particularly wrong, but I'm exhausted all the time. Not dramatic tired, just permanently low battery. My question is, is this adulthood or should I be actually doing something about it?

• 16:37Speaker 01

  This is a good, this is an interesting, well, I've felt very much like this, this, the last few months. I've, I've, I've fallen off a little, I've fallen.

• 16:43Speaker 00

  You've been very busy though, Tom, in fairness to you.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  I've been busy, but I've also fallen off, like, having, like, positive habits.

• 16:51Speaker 00

  Right, you've not been going to the gym as much.

• 16:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've not been working out, I've not been, uh, having sort of time to start the day in a, in a place where I, I've literally. I've started the day in, almost rushing.

• 17:04Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  You know, getting Grace ready for school, getting things, flying out the door, going to, dropping Grace off, going to work. And I, I, I literally, I've, I've found that I've become a real victim to the snooze. Like a real victim of like putting the snooze button on.

• 17:17Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  Which, all of last year, the snooze button was completely, I, I literally got out of bed, bum, six A M, five thirty, and went and got stuck in.

• 17:25Speaker 00

  Five forty five.

• 17:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, sometimes five, yes. Um, no, no, never after six.

• 17:29Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  Uh, and then, and then I got stuck in, and now I'm like, I literally would just put on the snooze, the snooze. And, and that, and that behaviour's now had like an impending, like, across Catherine and Grace, we're all like, we're all snoozing. So like this morning, for example, like, we've literally just got Grace to school just in time.

• 17:51Speaker 00

  Right.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  We're running late because we all were laying in bed snoozing and whatever. So I do, I do think that actually, number one, early nights are the best thing you can have, again. We've let that thing of watching three or four episodes of The American Office before bed.

• 18:06Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  It's creeping. So it's just, I think, getting as much around your actual schedule and trying to. Look, like, try to sort of, when you're, when you're up, get up, get outside, work out, yeah, do something, uh, and, um. But also I find that then my diet is off and I'm eating crap. Yeah, I'm, I'm eating burgers three or four times a week at the moment.

• 18:28Speaker 00

  Crazy.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  I've gone into a place with McDonald's.

• 18:29Speaker 00

  Burgers that bad?

• 18:31Speaker 01

  They are if you're having McDonald's or Burger King more than once a week. I literally, and by the way, I'm having them, I've gone back into a place of having that as a, as a fourth meal some evenings. Coming home from work late, you're like, oh, let's just stop and I'll get a Burger King or Five Guys or whatever. So it's a, you know, yeah, so that's made me very, so you, yeah. Should you actually be doing something, but number one, get yourself, have, have some tests, just to, it's always worth having blood tests, I think, to see if there's anything else going under the bonnet.

• 18:58Speaker 00

  Really good advice.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  I'd just say just getting healthy, little healthy habits and pick little things. Bit by bit and and build up a more, build up a more resolute way of being. What about yourself, Di?

• 19:10Speaker 00

  Really good.

• 19:11Speaker 01

  You're so busy at the moment.

• 19:13Speaker 00

  Uh, this is actually, it's a very, it's actually very serendipitous that this email's coming when it has done. Because I'm struggling with sleep, or I have been struggling with sleep. And I had the thing where I, when I was, when we first had kids. I, I remember like being really knackered, really knackered. Theo was like quite a bad sleeper in his first year. And um, it feels so weird. This is one of the things you're gonna have with Grace as she gets older. Is like, just then I said, Theo was really, it was really difficult, bad sleeper in his first year. And it just, I got the train in with him this morning. He's going to college, right? And we're having a chat and he's just, I just, the idea, the, the, the, the idea that that baby is now that bloke that was sat next to him on the train. It's so, anyway.

• 19:55Speaker 01

  By the way, what a beautiful moment.

• 19:57Speaker 00

  Oh, it's lovely.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  I'd love to have just watched that.

• 19:59Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 20:00Speaker 01

  Well, it's just like seeing you both together.

• 20:02Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  You wouldn't have known that I was there.

• 20:03Speaker 00

  We had a nice chat.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  I mean, I would have come and said hello if I was on the train.

• 20:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  Actually, maybe I wouldn't have.

• 20:08Speaker 00

  But then isn't there, don't you run the risk of us then seeing you?

• 20:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I'd have winked and gone.

• 20:14Speaker 00

  Oh, right. Like, uh, Michael Caine in The Batman?

• 20:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:18Speaker 00

  Yeah. Um, I, uh, when we first had kids, I just thought, oh, I was, I must catch up, must catch, must catch up. Then eventually got to the point where, oh, I just, this is how I operate now. I'm just knackered.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:30Speaker 00

  And then recently on the pla, I'm pretty resilient when it comes to sleep deprivation. I'm not, you know, I'm, I kind of can still operate. But it's still quite maddening. And also, I think with comedy and when you're doing podcasts and stuff like that. I think you lose ten percent. I do think you lose. If you haven't slept properly, you could, I can feel it. I don't know if the audience can tell, but I can feel I'm not on it. I don't know if you feel like.

• 20:51Speaker 01

  No, no, yeah, I don't think I've ever been on it for the last five years.

• 20:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, that's certainly what reviews are saying, but, but.

• 20:56Speaker 01

  And you're not joking.

• 20:58Speaker 00

  But um anyway, so I uh so actually, I what I think the answer to this is is one of the mistakes I think people make is just thinking you live your day and then you go to bed and should be able to sleep. You I think you need to prioritize sleep hygiene, which is like getting into a routine. One of the things that I've done is like, I found this likes, it's like called sleepy tea or something. It's just a chamomile tea. I'll always have that in the run up to going to bed.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:24Speaker 00

  I'll stop looking at my phone and I'll just get myself thinking about not doing anything to, you know, I I'll decide that I'm gonna go to bed. Maybe about forty minutes before I actually go to bed and then get into a routine of like, and then what you're

• 21:37Speaker 01

  Winding down.

• 21:38Speaker 00

  Winding down. Then what you're supposed to do is that is then what happens is if you do that for long enough, your brain starts to accept that as that's the start of us shutting down for them. Do you know what I mean? Like you, you're sending the signals to yourself that you it's bedtime. And then you only get into bed when you're ready to go to sleep, like this whole thing of like getting into bed, even getting into bed to read isn't the best. I know loads of people do it, but actually what you're supposed to do is bed is specifically for sleeping or asking for feedback during sex. Do you know what I mean? Those are the only two things it should be. And then apart from that, you're not in bed. So so I've started to do that and it has actually started to help.

• 22:17Speaker 00

  But then like that, the thing that I find so confusing is you um, I don't know what amount of sleep I'm supposed to get. You're supposed to get eight hours, right? The other night I was absolutely fucked. Like I was coming back from the place and then Lisa said to me, just lay into like, get up whenever you get up, like we we I won't bother, you know, just. You're knackered. So it was very sweet of her. She's a she's a wonderful one. Anyway, so I went to sleep about, I reckon midnight. Woke up at nine. So my guy, I've had nine hours sleep. I was fucked the whole next day. I just I I I like, that's the thing that I find really tricky is that what?

• 22:52Speaker 01

  But what is your like, you're you're you could be running at like something like twelve hours of sleep deprivation, do you know what I mean? Like it's ridiculous. Like that one night, it's the thing like the misconception I always had was like, you know, when when we're busy, say you're filming, right? And filming days that sort of go on, you know, not fucking playing a violin, but you're doing a fourteen hour day.

• 23:12Speaker 00

  It's hard, man. It's harder for you than anyone.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  Uh the next day you're getting up at five to do it again.

• 23:17Speaker 00

  Car picks you up. I know. You get taken in and then they say, what do you want for breakfast?

• 23:23Speaker 01

  Five hours.

• 23:24Speaker 00

  Bring your plate, whatever you ask for. Anyway, go on.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  Five, five hours sleep. Yeah, if you're getting that, five, six nights of the week, one big night of sleep's okay. But then also, I do think that's pretty much what the rest of the world's running on. So it's a luxury if you're getting.

• 23:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, literally no advice from me.

• 23:41Speaker 00

  No, our advice would be prioritise your sleep routine.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 23:45Speaker 00

  You know?

• 23:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:46Speaker 00

  That's what I think. I think what the mis- I think the mistake we all make is you just go, I should be able to go to sleep now. And actually, you need to warm up to it in the way, if like you're doing a workout, you get yourself, get yourself in the zone, get a little night time routine.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna start doing that.

• 24:00Speaker 00

  Maybe I might start phoning you to say goodnight.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  That's nice.

• 24:04Speaker 00

  Like every evening?

• 24:05Speaker 01

  Well, maybe we'll like, we'll send each other a video, like that's just having a cameraman.

• 24:09Speaker 00

  I might, I might just, as I get into bed and like pull the diva up, I might just send you a little face thing going, just heading off to beddy bias.

• 24:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then, oh, then what will happen is I'll open that and then go, oh, bless him.

• 24:19Speaker 00

  Full erection immediately.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then sneak off into the, oh, sweet.

• 24:24Speaker 00

  Rip the head off of it. They give out to bed. It might help.

• 24:29Speaker 00

  That is the end of this email episode. Thank you so much for sending your emails in. If you want to get in touch, you can email [email protected]. Uh, animal names are encouraged, aren't they, Tom?

• 24:40Speaker 01

  Yes, they are.

• 24:41Speaker 00

  Uh, we will see you next time.

• 24:43Speaker 01

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• 24:44Speaker 00

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