Did Midterms Just Change UFO Disclosure?

A midterm wave just flipped Washington. George Knapp calls it a blue tsunami. The members most outspoken on UAP still held their seats, including Reps. Anna Paulina Luna, Eric Burlison, Tim Burchett, and Jared Moskowitz. The question now is who owns the issue. Matt Laslo of Ask a Pol UAP maps what the new majority could mean. He notes that Rep. Mike Turner, the congressman for Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, is out, and they discuss Turner as a gatekeeper for major contractors there. Incoming Oversight chair Rep. Robert Garcia listed other priorities and did not mention UAP, and Laslo says Garcia had forgotten about the Secrets Task Force. Jeremy Corbell says he has read that Rep. Andre Carson is planning a House UAP Select Committee to replace it, and Laslo says Carson would like to chair it and has been pressing AARO for the rest of its historic report. They also look at black-triangle footage PURSUE said it could not find. Corbell says the trail, if the videos exist, runs through Air Force OSI. He says drawing footage from Dylan Borland's ICIG intake has apparently been lost. Corbell says Jay Stratton declined another hearing and that he would want Stratton seated under oath with Sean Kirkpatrick, Glenn Gaffney, and Susan Gough. He and Knapp, he says, are aware of active reprisals against high-level, firsthand witnesses who have been on craft. Then Corbell drops the closer. He says four consecutive intelligence information reports deal directly with the Russian UFO documents Knapp brought back. Congress asked for those reports before Knapp testified, and Congress was denied them. Those IIR numbers, he says, are now in front of Congress and PURSUE. If they try and fail, Knapp says, that tells us one thing. If they do not try, that tells us something else. Follow Matt Laslo's work at Ask a Pol UAP, https://www.askapoluaps.com, on X at https://x.com/MattLaslo and https://x.com/AskaPol_UAP, or reach him at [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:45Jeremy Corbell?

  Democrats took control of the House and the Senate by sizable margins. So wasn't Turner identified as one of these gatekeepers for the major contractors within his constituency or within his area?

• 1:00Speaker 04

  He was the congressman for Wright-Patterson, where so many questions revolve around Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.

• 1:07George Knapp?

  If the secrets task force needs to be reconstituted under a new Congress, is recreated? And since it would be under Democratic control presumably, who might be the chair of that?

• 1:19Jeremy Corbell?

  New hearings. This is something people are calling me about and I'm interested to talk about it. I will tell you, I know for a fact Jay Stratton was asked if he would participate in another hearing and even proposed the date. And he declined. And I think because for whatever reasons he declined, I know that he would be a star witness for this.

• 1:45George Knapp?

  This is Weaponized. I'm George Knapp here in Las Vegas, joined by my friend and colleague Jeremy Corbell, somewhere in Southern California. How you doing Jeremy? Did you watch the election coverage this week?

• 2:01Jeremy Corbell?

  George, I'm sorry, you were covering it and like I ain't watching no election coverage and nothing. That's it. I don't read Twitter and I except when people send me links. But what I have been doing, George, you're going to be really interested in, is I have been verifying and fact checking everything you said about pumpkin spice Cheerios. And by golly, I got a box shipped to my house. I have tried them. They are exquisite. Thank you so much, George. You were telling it like it was.

• 2:29George Knapp?

  Yeah, they were out there welcome though. It's not something I'm going to eat every, every day. It's a reason, there's a reason they're seasonal. And I know people don't want us talking about Cheerios and this will be the end of it. But it was a big week in news beyond breakfast cereals in the election. Holy cow. I mean, you know, midterms typically, when a president is not on the ballot, whoever's in the White House, their party takes a hit and loses some seats. This was more like a kick in the nads though. This was not just a hit. It was not a blue wave. It was a blue tsunami. Democrats took control of the House and the Senate by sizable margins. The whole state of Texas went blue.

• 3:11George Knapp?

  They not only elected a Democratic Senator, but a Democratic Governor and both of their state houses went Democrat, which is unheard of. It's been forever, decades since that happened. Kansas elected a Democratic Senator, which is, hasn't happened since 1932. So that flip, we're not celebrating it. I'm sure that Republicans out there are pretty upset about it, but it changes everything for, on every issue, in particular, the issue that matters to us. You know, and that this last, under Republican control House, they gave Representative Luna her own task force and she used it to great effect. They hold hearings about UAPs, to ask tough questions.

• 3:53George Knapp?

  She had other, other priorities on her plate as well. It was maybe given her too much to handle, but she went after it. She was reelected, had a tough race. It was tight for a while and she was one of the people who was, one of the few who was attacked for her stance on UAP. There was a campaign ad, I don't know if we can find it, picturing her standing with an alien and trying to make that a campaign issue. She won anyway.

• 4:20Speaker 06

  Everything you need to know about her. She's too busy chasing headlines, too busy worried about space aliens to show up actually for her own constituents and even hold a town hall.

• 4:31George Knapp?

  Eric Burlison won, Tim Burchett won, Jerome Moskowitz won. Basically all of the members who have been outspoken of both parties on this issue were reelected, which is great. And then of course, on the Senate side, you know, Chuck Schumer is going to be majority leader again. It's his name or the legislation that was supposed to be effectively disclosure in a sense, or some form of disclosure. So I think as majority leader with a sizable lead, a sizable majority in the Senate, going to be pretty tough for him to try to explain if he can't pass a piece of legislation that has his name on it. So it's a very exciting time. You know, back again in the House, the secrets task force, I don't, I don't know if it's

• 5:15George Knapp?

  going to persist, if under Democratic control, they'll recreate it or some version of it or make it into a subcommittee. But it's interesting that the guy who's now going to be in charge of oversight, which is what that secrets task force was under, is Robert Garcia, this congressman from, from California. And I think you've talked to him, haven't you?

• 5:34Jeremy Corbell?

  Um, no, actually I have never talked with Robert Garcia, but the other thing that I read in the news, tell me if this is true, which is that Representative Carson, who was the first to jump in at the first hearing after 50 years, a guy that I really wanted to hear more from, and I've never met him yet. I heard that he's planning a House UAP select committee to replace Luna's secrets task force. So they're not dropping the topic, even if things shift in Washington. And by the way, I'm really glad that those four people you mentioned who have fought for the UAP issue, I don't know a lot about politics, but on the UAP issue, all four of them held their seat? Let's fucking go. I'm excited about that.

• 6:14Jeremy Corbell?

  But if Rep Carson is going to actually, if he's planning for a new House UAP select committee, then that means we're going to keep going.

• 6:22George Knapp?

  That's good. There was a news conference on the day we're recording this. Robert Garcia had a, had a news event where he announced what the priorities for his oversight committee would be. And one would be, and I'm, I'm not taking sides on this, I'm just telling you what he said.

• 6:38Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:39George Knapp?

  Is digging into the graft and corruption of the Trump family businesses, contracts, defense contracts that went to the Trump sons and, and the son-in-law and his dealings with other countries. So they're going to look into that, number one. Number two is DHS, Homeland Security, ICE. Some of the excesses, the use of force by ICE agents in, in going after suspected illegal immigrants. Number three, corporate corruption. This is really interesting. He, he may specifically mention surveillance pricing, meaning that there, there's suspicions that people go into a big store and they can evaluate how much money you make based on what information that's in your phone and they can charge you different prices for stuff.

• 7:24George Knapp?

  If you can afford more, they'll jack it up for you. So somebody else who makes less money would pay, pay less for the same product. At least they're going to be looking into that. And I think they want to look into some of these corporate CEOs who are making hundreds of millions of dollars, a lot of it based on contracts with a federal government, while their workers are suffering and barely hanging on. And then fourthly, the Epstein files. Remember those? We're all going to see the Epstein files? Then they suddenly became a hoax? Garcia says that's going to be on his list as well. So he did not mention UAP, but of course I don't think it would be, you know, top five priority for any particular member of Congress, but he has been friendly to the topic in the past, or at least curious, right?

• 8:07Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh yeah. So first of all, he needs a talking to. So I'm in California and so to be clear, I have made approaches and there have been communications that we were going to speak about it because I've seen him, you know, when I go to, you know, Congress and everything all the time, but I never had a sit down, but I think he needs the UFO talk because I think the case is very strong. This is a public interest and he's a public servant. So is his name Representative Mike Garcia, Houston?

• 8:35George Knapp?

  Robert.

• 8:36Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh, Robert? Okay, let me clarify. Representative Robert Garcia, expect me.

• 8:42George Knapp?

  You know, a couple of other names that we Representative Begich of Alaska, you know, we met him at the 2025 hearing. He's now been reelected and is, we know for sure he's curious about the issue and asks good questions. And Representative from Texas Jasmine Crockett. Now, she was part of that UAP task force or the secret task force. She was added in right before the 2025 hearing. And I know some members were worried because she's kind of a flamethrower. She's not a, she's not shy about expressing her opinions and they didn't know she was going to disrupt the process, but she was really interested in the issue, asked good questions, made good points. So I hope that she stays interested as well.

• 9:24George Knapp?

  In fact, there's a journalist who stalked her and tracked her down to get a comment about what the new Congress might do. And we're going to be talking to him a little bit later in this program. So, you know, it's

• 9:35Jeremy Corbell?

  You brought her up, you brought her up to me when we were, when you were like, you know, you did your homework well in advance and you're going to go testify and you're not scribbling notes at midnight prior about testimony because you're so, you know, not last minute Johnny, George. You know, you had kind of informed me about Crockett and that, you know, she was, you know, the flamethrower, but might have some good questions and you were right.

• 9:59George Knapp?

  Well, all, all the members of the UAP caucus, all the outspoken members who are deeply interested in the issue survived the, the blue tsunami. Now, some of them are Democrats, some are Republicans, but they're all, all in on this issue and interested in it regardless of political pressures or partisan pressures. So that's great. Glad that they survived. So the, the whole picture changes on the Senate side, of course, Schumer, Rounds, they're still interested. It's a priority for them. So looking, you've been in touch with Rounds, Senator Rounds quite a bit, right?

• 10:30Jeremy Corbell?

  Not, not quite a bit directly. I mean, yeah, I think it was kind of outed in UFO revolution. I, we had a private conversation that it was filmed in a hallway. So I've talked with him. He's very mercurial, you know, if it, so he's still in power, which is great because I think Senator Rounds, from what I know and people we know, George, when, when we've had to go in skips and that kind of thing, and people have told us that Senator Rounds is highly educated on this topic, that he, he knows probably more about it or equal to Rubio, right? Who took a new position and that Senator Rounds, from my personal interactions with

• 11:09Jeremy Corbell?

  him is that he's mercurial when he talks about UAP because you can tell he knows something that he's not sharing. He was not surprised at all by the intelligence agency interference with one of the hearings. And that was the direct thing I talked with him about. It was in private, so I'm not going to go into it, but he was not surprised. So he knows this is a topic that is highly guarded from higher ups and that he was not surprised at all about the intelligence community shenanigans that went on in one of the hearings. If, if that's what you were asking, yeah, I talked to him.

• 11:45George Knapp?

  You know, there's a lot to discuss about what's going on in Washington, what the changing of the guard in essence means for this topic. And we're going to get into that in this program with a special guest, Matt Laslo, the journalist who covers it on a daily basis, tracks down members of Congress and gets them on the record. Before we do that, a couple of things to, to sort of mention again. So last week we sort of went off on Sean Kirkpatrick and I, we saw a lot of comments from colleagues who think that we're talking about them for, and criticizing them for interviewing Sean Kirkpatrick. And, you know, we did mention that when he speaks out on this issue, pretending like he's still in charge of Arrow, which he does every time there's a, a question about what

• 12:27George Knapp?

  Arrow is doing or what the government's released, he comes out and says something and he goes to a very short list of trusted media allies. You know, I think the fact that he's done other interviews with podcasters and things, we're not saying don't interview Sean Kirkpatrick. The more interviews with him, the better, because every time he opens his mouth, we learn something new about what else he might be hiding or, or lying about. So, yeah, we're not talking about general podcasters, anybody who's interviewed him. The list of names, everybody knows them. We don't have to say them here. You know who we're talking about. It's a very short list and there are, it's very reliable places where Kirkpatrick always goes.

• 13:09George Knapp?

  So I hope nobody took offense at that because it was not intended just because you interviewed this guy.

• 13:15Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh, you're going to offend everybody and worry about it? I don't care. Here, here's the deal. What people should look at is who jumped to the defense of journalists that have interviewed Kirkpatrick in a really weird asymmetric way. I learned so much by just watching, just from the, from the trailer release for episode, who's already out there like defending journalists, like naming, we didn't even name any journalists. It's so obvious if you just, you know, go do a Google search on, you know, who has, you know, the, the most numerous and never, you know, kind of push back on them. But what I learned so much from, and you taught me this, George, is watch for the reactions. And so I was watching for the reactions even before the episode came out and it was just so telling. There are journalists who are in the pocket of Arrow.

• 14:00Jeremy Corbell?

  They are puppet, marionette, mouthpieces for the legacy program establishment, whatever you want to say, whatever their shine is, they get from it. And it's so obvious that it's like ridiculous, but you know, people got to stay curious. Look it up yourself. But I agree with you. We weren't saying what people were apparently claiming we were saying. Yeah.

• 14:21George Knapp?

  One thing we did not touch on that we planned to talk about last time was about these black triangles. So a lot of black triangle news. Do you want to jump into that first?

• 14:29Jeremy Corbell?

  You know, I, I kind of don't, but like, you know, because here's the deal, there's so much, that, that was from the, the, the last pursue release. I got something very active right now. I'll, I'll throw this out.

• 14:41Jeremy Corbell?

  There were two IRRs, like, sorry, there were two IIRs, which I think is like intelligence of information report or something. I'm bad with, with acronyms that were about, it was in the New York Post and it was about footage of a, of a triangle. And you saw a public statement by a guy who's the deputy press secretary for the Pentagon, Joel. And I, I do believe he actually looked into it, but I can tell you matter of fact that those IIRs, which are these reference reports and they did pursue, did, you know, go after them. They said they didn't find any footage of a triangle.

• 15:24Jeremy Corbell?

  I happen to know that there is reference. If you want videos, you got to go to the OSI. So I'm just curious, was OSI honest? When it was looked at through pursue, were they honest about what they had as far as video footage, talking, you know, to pursue? So is OSI, which is basically like the FBI, the air force, were they withholding? Well, I'm going to get to the bottom of that because I'm aware of and familiar with those IIRs. And there might be too many acronyms for people in this episode, but that was about a triangle. But I think you found something really cool. You just told me about before the episode started.

• 16:00George Knapp?

  Yeah, so there's a, a private company, AI, let's see if I can find the name, Shield AI.

• 16:06Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay.

• 16:07George Knapp?

  That made an announcement this past week that it is developing this black triangle, this stealth fighter drone. And it's, it's, it's capable of vertical takeoff and landing. And it's developing it for the Navy. The Navy is very interested in having it. So it's, they're building something that's going to look like the black triangles that allegedly are UAP. You know, we, we know a heck of a lot about the sightings, how far back they go of black triangles. A lot of people thought that the stealth fighter, when it first came out, was some sort of a UFO, I believe. And so we've had black triangular vehicles in the past that, as well as rumored projects.

• 16:50George Knapp?

  I know that Sean Kirkpatrick came out in this last flurry and essentially did, tried to debunk black triangle sightings, but it's going to be pretty hard to do that, given how far back they go and how widespread these sightings have been over the years, over decades.

• 17:05Jeremy Corbell?

  Well, it's funny you mention, so I guess I do want to talk about black triangles. So Dylan Borland, the core of his testimony to Congress was seeing a absolute noiseless black triangle that was undulating with a, a golden hue, like a lava lamp, come up at a base and shoot up like a, to, to become looking like a star. If you look at his actual testimonies, and that's been documented by ICIG, with, they said four cameras and audio, but apparently recently they've lost the footage of his drawings. By the way, I, this is new, I haven't told you about this. Apparently somehow they lost the footage of, of, of his actual intake. They got the audio though, George, but you can't see what he's drawing.

• 17:50Jeremy Corbell?

  So I found that really interesting. And then there was Daniel Gokorrel. And he went through the whole process for testifying to the American public. They never got to hear it. So he came on Weaponized. So look up the Daniel Gokorrel episode. He talks about a black triangle when he was in an infirmary and he came out and just absolute description of what he saw. So the black triangle thing. My question, George, is I bet you these things are loud. This contract, when they make them, they're going to be loud. They're shooting air down, you know, the displacing air, that's how they fly. I don't think these are the craft that, you know, we've seen going around, especially if they're saying they're just building them now. Cause remember Dr. Kelleher and OSAP, they studied the, the wave of black triangles

• 18:34Jeremy Corbell?

  back in the day for, in Belgium, right?

• 18:36George Knapp?

  Yeah, it goes back to NIDS, the National Institute for Discovery Science, the first organization that Mr. Bigelow, our Bigelow created. They did their own study of these huge triangles, huge, that were seen all over the world and in particular in, in the US where they were seen. And they suspected that it was ours. And then by the end of that, that investigation, they thought it doesn't make sense that, that it would be ours, given where these things have been flying. So people have been seeing gigantic black triangles a long time. Maybe we've developed some by now. My, my question would be where the hell do you hide something that big? Where do you hide it and, and so that the public doesn't see them when they land and take off? You know, I don't know how you'd keep it secret.

• 19:19Jeremy Corbell?

  Right. That was always the question with some of this stuff is the refueling. Like where do they land? Where do they launch from? You know? So you got somebody, um, you were telling me yesterday, man, we do this quick with weaponized. But you were telling me yesterday that, um, Askapal, um, that, that, that Matt, that he was doing some great work. And I remember seeing the challenge coin thing, you know, he exposed or not exposed, but you and I were aware for a long time of SIG, which is the Special Investigations Group, which is the UAP FBI related thing. But, um, on September 3rd, back in the day, Matt Laslo came out and Luna, Rep. Luna showed him that this really cool, if you look at it, it's so cool.

• 20:01Jeremy Corbell?

  Like challenge coin for the FBI. Um, now as journalists, we were aware of that, couldn't report on it, but there's Matt jumps in, Rep. Luna shows him the coin. All of a sudden the story's out. Um, so you said we should bring him on.

• 20:14George Knapp?

  Yeah, he's does a great job. I mean, you know, he doesn't work for a giant corporation, doesn't have a big salary, does most of this work on his own dime. Depends on the public for support, but he's there on Capitol Hill every day, tracking down members of Congress to get answers to questions about UAP in particular. Members of the Secrets Task Force and about legislation and what's going on in, behind closed doors and smoke filled rooms and, and does a real great job. And, and I had seen, uh, one of his most recent, um, postings was chasing down, uh, the Texas Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett, who was on that Secrets Task Force and, and asking her, what happens if the Democrats take control of Congress? So I think we found a clip of it. We can show, uh, and as an introduction to bringing Matt on.

• 20:59Jeremy Corbell?

  Matt, welcome back.

• 21:01Speaker 04

  Thanks for having me. And yeah, I do describe our job as congressional reporters as professional stalkers. We lurk.

• 21:11George Knapp?

  There are, there are members of Congress who are not happy to see you jump out of the bushes and, and, and start asking questions, but, uh, there are some who at least tolerate and maybe even a few that like you, but you always get some nuggets of information, whether they want to give them to you or not. So a job well done. askapoluaps.com is where people can see your work and, and you need all the support you can get to keep this going. So what, when you watch the, the election results Tuesday night, like the rest of us, you saw the blue wave become a blue tsunami. What were your thoughts? What was the first thought about what it's going to mean for this topic?

• 21:46Speaker 04

  Well, aside from this topic, the first time it really dawned on me is I was looking at a Greg Abbott concession speech on C-SPAN and I was like, wait, this must be wrong. And then I was like, holy bleep. Um, so yeah, this is just seismic. And I don't, you know, I've been covering Congress 20 years. Anyone who tells you that they know what's going to happen is a fool. I've given up on all predictions. And so especially with this topic, um, sadly it became partisan. It got looped into the, uh, you know, hyper partisan, even tribalistic atmosphere that's overtaken Washington here in Trump's second term.

• 22:29Speaker 04

  And so I'm hoping that members of the UAP caucus just like, take a breath and remember this issue is the oasis. It's nonpartisan, you know? And that gets complicated. So we'll see because UAP caucus members,

• 22:46Speaker 04

  namely Luna and Congressman Burlison were, uh, talking directly with this new FBI or this FBI unit that's been around. We just learned about it. They just learned about it. Um, they haven't really had any Democrats be a part of that. Also Stephen Miller, um, you know, a lot of people see him as the boogeyman for immigration and that stuff. Well, he's been tasked with, um, you know, tackling this issue from the White House. Again, I don't think he's met with any Democrats. So he's just been meeting mostly with Burlison and Luna. So in one sense, this could give Luna and Burlison a little leverage with the incoming Democratic majority

• 23:31Speaker 04

  because they could say, hey, guys, we know we were jerks. We know we ran a lot of stuff down your throats, but hey, let's get back to this like nonpartisan issue. And we can, you know, uh, be your conduit to the White House on this. We'd be happy to set up a meeting, et cetera, et cetera. So we'll see. The, like, kind of, um, outlier is Congressman Robert Garcia. Cause now it looks like he'll be propelled to be the Oversight Chair. Well, since he became the Oversight Ranking Member or the top Democrat on that, he's kind of forgotten about this issue. And so last time I interviewed him, he was like, what do you mean the Secrets Task Force? And he was confused by that.

• 24:14Speaker 04

  And I was like, bro, you were the top Dem on the Secrets Task Force before you got propelled to be the head of all Oversight, uh, or the top Dem on Oversight. And so we'll see, we'll continue to nag him. Folks, keep sending me questions earmarked for Congressman Garcia. Um, I think I want to take more videos of actual subscribers and users. So then it takes me out of the equation. I can just be like, hey, Congressman Garcia, here's a question from your constituent. And so I think that will really keep the pressure up on them. And so we'll see. I know he's very curious about the issue. And so were folks like Jamie Raskin and AOC. But because AOC left the Oversight Committee and went to the Judiciary Committee,

• 25:00Speaker 04

  it's just not on her plate anymore. So she still cares about it, especially from the military industrial complex angle, but she's not on Oversight. And so that's where folks out there, um, send her questions, send Jamie Raskin questions. You know, I think you can get those folks, uh, re-engaged.

• 25:20George Knapp?

  We, we saw that Garcia gave some sort of a news conference or announcement, I guess, uh, earlier today at the time we're recording this. And he listed the priorities of investigations that Oversight is going to look into. And, uh, it's the Trump, um, family business, you know, there, how much money they've made. The Epstein files, which was already part of Luna's task force's focus. It's ICE, excessive use of force by DHS and ICE and corporate corruption. So no mention of UAP, but as you said, the, the guy's curious about the issue. It doesn't mean he won't go into it. It's just not in the top four or five.

• 25:57Speaker 04

  And one thing I just learned, looking back, I just arrived in Washington, just graduated from college, got here at the end of 06. So I was able to witness Pelosi's first, uh, win being ushered into, um, the speakership. And back then, um, the Oversight Committee, it went from in that Congress before in 2005 and 2006, there were 900 hearings for the entire Congress. Well, when Democrats took over, that shot up to 1,400 hearings. And the Oversight Committee only did like 200 or 250 of those. Yet each committee in Congress basically became an Oversight Committee of either the Iraq War back then, or et cetera. And so

• 26:43Speaker 04

  it'll be interesting to see how Democrats handle this, whether, I mean, because in one sense, there's so much to investigate that Garcia and his committee aren't going to be able to do it alone. So kind of every committee in Congress is going to be deputized to do Oversight. And because so many members of Congress are running for the White House now, um, there's going to be a lot of that jockeying. And like, remember that's like pre-social media. And so now all we have is lawmakers who's want to be on YouTube, want to be dunking. And so I just think that number is going to explode. And so it'll be interesting. You'll have these clashes between, um,

• 27:26Speaker 04

  jurisdictions. Um, but I think that can only be good for a topic like this. And it'll also be interesting now that we just got the news that Mike Turner has been ousted. Um, Ms. Knickerbocker ousted him in Ohio, which is a shocker. He's been in office 12 terms, I believe, used to chair Hipskey, but then Trump and company pushed him out on, Hipskey's the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence or whatever. And so now it looks like that'll be chaired by Jim Himes from Connecticut, who just rolls his eyes every time he sees me. He's like, are you going to ask me a UFO question? Um, and I'll be like, man,

• 28:10Speaker 04

  I was going to ask you about cannabis, but now I'm going to ask you about aliens, bro. React like that. Um, and so what wasn't, wasn't he, wasn't Turner like, um, so Turner is out is what you're saying. Let me, let me catch up here. Turner's out, right?

• 28:24Jeremy Corbell?

  So wasn't Turner identified as one of these gatekeepers for the major contractors within his constituency or within his area? Wasn't he identified as a major gatekeeper for, um, a base or something like that?

• 28:39Speaker 04

  He, it was the Congressman for Wright Patterson, where so many questions, uh, revolve around Wright Patterson Air Force Base. And so even though his replacement, like we don't know where she is on this topic and she'll go way lower in seniority, even though Trump and company kicked Turner out of, um, the Intelligence Committee, Turner still had clout. And so he still was able to maneuver. And because the NDAA or National Defense Authorization Act, because in the past few Congresses that, you know, there was so much partisanship and gamesmanship that that was, you know, always the last thing.

• 29:19Speaker 04

  And because it's such a sweeping bill, because our nation's military needs that authorization in order to, uh, you know, do their duty, then a separate bill is an appropriation bill that actually funds them. And so that bill has always been seen as this must pass piece of legislation. Well, it's just unheard of. The Senate got so partisan this, uh, summer and into the fall that the Senate hasn't even passed it. And so they're now going to have to go behind closed doors again. It'll be fascinating because Congressman Eric Burlison has gotten Chuck Schumer's UAP Disclosure Act included in the House version.

• 30:01Speaker 04

  But there's always been this sneaking suspicion that it was Turner and his allies who were gutting it and stripping it out behind closed doors. So we'll see what happens this go around in the next couple of weeks. Keep your eye on that. But then next year with no Turner. And so like Senator Rounds, the Republican, uh, co-sponsor of Schumer's UAPDA, he, um, as I always said, the problem seems to be in the House. But then I've never, you know, I keep asking like every month, I'm like, hey, do you know who killed it last year? You know who killed it? And no one knows or no one would tell me. And so like the chairs would say, it wasn't me. Chairs were like, oh, we're fine. And so, and that's chairs of Armed Services Committee and the Intelligence Committees. And so.

• 30:47Speaker 04

  Well, see, there's less bodies to hide these secrets. And so, and the person right underneath Himes in seniority on the Democratic side is Andre Carson. He's one to watch. He learned about the push for a select UAP committee from us at Ask a Poll, UAP, asking about it. And he's always told me, he's like, hey, tell the other members, if they get that committee, I'd like to be the chair.

• 31:18Jeremy Corbell?

  And he pressured Arrow recently to get their historic second part of the report. So Representative Carson, people should know his name. He's really tuned in on a fine level, at least back then in 2022. Again, way before we brought information out about Grush when he came to you before that, right? So it's like, we're going back in time. But what makes me hopeful is what I heard is that Representative Carson is demanding now the second part of the historic report from Arrow. Everybody needs to understand, that's a big deal. That's holding Arrow accountable, whether or not under the Sean Kirkpatrick loom, right? And now they're under a different, you know, ownership.

• 32:02Jeremy Corbell?

  So I think that the fact that Rep Carson is jumping back in and in a position of power now, you know, like I, from what I understand he is, I just saw what, you know, what's going on with him. I don't know who's going to own the UAP issue in January.

• 32:19George Knapp?

  Matt, let me ask it this way, you know, you, you tracked down another name that was really important. It's Jasmine Crockett. You'll recall that that 2025 hearing, they added her at the last minute to the task force, to Luna's task force. And there was concern about, you know, she's kind of a flamethrower. She's not a shrinking violet personality. Is she going to come in and disrupt it? And she was, she was great. She asked good questions and was totally on board. You tracked her down a couple of days ago, right?

• 32:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. And like, remember with someone like her, kind of like the AOC or the Jimmy Raskin, that whole hearing, she was just kind of sitting back and taking notes, kind of like James Comer did in the first Grush hearing, where he just sat in the back of his own committee room and just listened and soaked it all in. And so Jasmine Crockett, she got intrigued on the issue because of the whistleblower stuff. And so that's where, if these members of the UAP caucus play their cards right strategically, they can return this issue to a nonpartisan issue and just really rise above the fray. And especially when it comes to whistleblower protections or just like national security,

• 33:28Speaker 04

  like what was hovering over Langley Air Force Base for 17 days in 2023 that shut down that base? And so when I talk to Carson, and don't forget this, he's a former MC.

• 33:46Speaker 04

  He was a hip hop guy in Indianapolis. And then he went on, he's also one of the first Muslim members of Congress. But he was DHS in Indianapolis. And so he comes at this from the homeland security perspective. Every time I ask him about it, he's always like, hey, we need to watch out with these hearings because our, who's it, folks overseas, these are our enemies. They're always listening. And so I'm always curious because Himes doesn't have any curiosity about the issue. Carson does. But I'm like, wait, what does Carson know about this technology and how it's being used?

• 34:27Speaker 04

  Because when Ask a Poll, when we last got the incoming Senate intel chair, Mark Warner, finally, after years of pressing him, he was like, yeah, I'm pretty sure it was China over that shut down Langley for 17 days. If that's true, and what I asked him is, well, did you see pictures?

• 34:48Jeremy Corbell?

  Well, I'll, I'll tell you from everything that George and I know, it is not true. That was the weirdest statement, like as if he was completely uneducated on what our intelligence agencies had done to investigate and interrogate that we'll call incursion. So not only was he wrong, it reminded me of that weird person that came out in, in politics and said, oh, this is Iran with this huge ship off the shore for the drone swarms in New Jersey. It was the most ridiculous statement that is contradicted by the investigations by the intelligence agencies.

• 35:20Speaker 04

  But my thing is, if our lawmakers, you know, and what, we have about a trillion dollars a year in taxpayer funds that goes to our Pentagon, under Republicans and Trump, they wanted that to be 1.5 trillion. I'm like, hey, national security is vital. But if we have members of our intel community slash committee saying like, oh, China was, it just regularly invades US airspace for 17 days, shutting down our entire fifth generation Raptor fleet, which like Langley Air Force Base, if I drove there right now, it'd be a two and a half, three hour drive, maybe four hours in traffic. But if I was in a Raptor, that's 30 minutes to the White House.

• 36:02Speaker 04

  It's like, that fleet is a part of the protection for the nation's capital. And so now for the incoming chair of the Senate Intel Committee, just to be like, oh yeah, it was China. Whoa, whoa, whoa, that's almost bigger news than if it's extraterrestrial. So I'm like, if we keep pressing us, the folks at News Nation or whatever, and some other folks, like, if our lawmakers want to just say, okay, our airspace is regularly invaded by our enemies. Cool, let's have that conversation. Let's just do it live on TV. Cause you guys are shirking your responsibility just to the constitution in an insane way. And so there's also this lack of curiosity coupled with that, where I'm like, well, Warner, did you see images?

• 36:47Speaker 04

  Oh, let me get back to you. Like, yeah. And so that's where it'll be interesting to see. I mean, cause also in the Senate, there's folks like Fetterman, Pennsylvania. He's been a fairly junior member. Now that we have this changing of the guard, we'll move up in seniority. He's never been on the committees that really matter for this issue, but he's so curious about it. And so it'll be interesting to see where he lands. Also, I know Senator Gillibrand doesn't have many fans in the community. But now that she's no longer DSCC, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee Chair, like that's what she did for the past two years is just dial for dollars, dial for dollars.

• 37:31Jeremy Corbell?

  I mean, that thing she, that Senate, that Senate hearing with Kirkpatrick that she did was ridiculous. It was like she was commenting on his handsomeness with his suit and like, do you need any more money? I mean, it was just absolutely ridiculous. And that's what I saw. Maybe she jumped in with goodwill and then realized, or maybe she didn't realize, but she was not, you know, really pushing in the way that, that we would push if, you know, some of the top dogs got, you know, Kirkpatrick up on the stand under oath.

• 38:01Speaker 04

  And I just, I haven't seen her the past, the last few months that Congress was in. I just missed her because again, she's dialing for dollars the whole time. But last we talked to her, maybe September, she said that she had a meeting coming up with Arrow. And I know folks out there are very skeptical of Arrow for good reasons. This new Arrow report that George was talking about, this is the first one coming out in the post-disclosure era, whatever we want to call this, after these tranches of UFO files. So I'm so curious on what the mandate is from the Pentagon top brass. Because there's a good chance that Kirkpatrick was actually fulfilling his mandate.

• 38:46Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh, oh, he totally was. And George, so George, George, you brought that up. You know, it's like almost as if Kirkpatrick's still a mouthpiece for Arrow, but there, there's a harmony now with Arrow and Pursue and all of this. And we're trying to see if we can trust, we're in a new era. So George, the, the question for me, from me to you, because you were talking to me about this the other night, which is subpoena power. You know, you were saying that about Comey. Can you explain that to us?

• 39:12George Knapp?

  Well, you know, the, the powers in the House gave Luna what she was asking for. Not a subcommittee, but this task force. And, and they piled her plate full of all these controversies. You know, Epstein files and UFOs and other stuff, JFK, RFK, gave her way more than she could possibly go after, but she took it on, I mean, with, with great vigor. But she didn't have subpoena power. I mean, that was always denied to her. And so the Comer, the oversight guy, makes it appear that he's giving her enough rope to go after the issue, but really not the juice to do it. I, I would be curious, Matt, if, if the Secrets Task Force needs to be reconstituted under a new Congress, just recreated?

• 39:55George Knapp?

  And, and since it would be under Democratic control, presumably, who might be the chair of that?

• 40:01Speaker 04

  So we don't even know. And that's a great question. And I learned a lot of this myself. So when you have a task force, so like a select committee, they can be permanent. Like there's, I think a select committee on China now, the permanent select committee on intelligence. Those are committees and they have subpoena power. A task force is just supposed to be like a window in time. And so that's just supposed to be six months is all they're supposed to have. Well, Comer, because he, you know, stacked their plates so high and because I think he didn't want to have angry UAP caucus members.

• 40:40Speaker 04

  So like you're saying, he gave them enough to placate them, but no real power to carry through on anything. But they kind of had this permanent extension. And I would ask like, wait, so after that six months, did you guys formalize this? And they just never formalized it, I don't think. But it was all Republican controlled, so it didn't matter. And so they just had this eternal rope or whatever. Cause I do believe that Republican leadership wanted them to hang themselves on it. And I think to a large degree, leadership was content that they were until the White House did its own declassification of UFO files.

• 41:22Speaker 04

  And then I think leadership was just like, okay, the White House has this. So that'll be really interesting. And that's one, I think, where if folks reach out to Garcia, who's likely to be the incoming Oversight Chair, he might respond to some of that pressure. And again, last time I talked to him, he was like, what do you mean the Secrets Task Force? He had forgotten it. And so that's where he could probably use a little reminder. I haven't heard anything from other Democratic leaders about it. And so that's one that I could see just quietly dying, that entire task force, unless there's some intervention. And so I don't know what that would look like.

• 42:08Speaker 04

  I think part of it.

• 42:11Speaker 04

  This is a little speculation, but I think Jeffries and them might look to Garcia and be like, "Hey, we trust him on this. We don't need a select committee. He can handle it from his oversight perch, even if it's not one of his top priorities." Because I don't think this is going to be a top priority for Jeffries and them. But that's the fascinating thing about this time. With the White House moving forward on, and I'm still not even sure what President Trump or Stephen Miller think they're looking for, or what they want. So I kind of joke that like, the best thing that could happen to this issue is President Obama will come out again and be like, "Yeah, you know,

• 42:52Speaker 04

  I saw alien bodies." And then Trump will be like, "No, no, no. Here, I'm going to be the one to declassify." And so we'll see, because people are rightfully skeptical of Stephen Miller and the White House and this FBI unit. But there, and I get the complaints, "Oh, we haven't seen the big smoking gun." But like, guys, pat yourselves on the back in this community. You guys got the US government to admit that stuff that they said didn't exist for the past 70 years. "Oh, now it exists. And oh, we have full files on it." I mean, that might be baby steps, but those are gigantic.

• 43:32Jeremy Corbell?

  You broke that story, by the way. So George and I were aware of SIG, which is the Special Investigations Group that the FBI has related to UAP. And we were aware of kind of how well supported they were. But you know, as journalists, you're like, hush, hush on stuff. You straight walked up, it was September 3rd, I remember the day because I was like pumping my fists for you. You walk up on Rep. Luna, and you know, as Aska Poll, and there you are. And she showed you the challenge coin for the FBI division that handles UFO investigations. And it's called, so our audience knows, it's called SIG, S I G, Special Investigations Group, which is kind of cool, because it doesn't even mention UAP. They're like, under the radar. But you broke

• 44:15Jeremy Corbell?

  that story publicly, Matt. That was a huge deal. I mean, I think George, probably like me, we're like pumping our fists for you, because that group has been active for, for quite some time, not under that name. And there's some good people working that issue in FBI that I think are genuine. You always got bad apples, and we're tracking them.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  And this is like, my big questions lingering on that are, okay, even though a lot of people in the community have their qualms with Arrow, when Congress created Arrow, it was supposed to be outwardly facing. Its mandate was to be public. And the last time I, one of the last times I interviewed now Secretary of State Marco Rubio on the issue, he was so frustrated with Kirkpatrick, and he was basically like, "Oh, I don't want to talk about this with you, Lazlo. That's why we set up Arrow. Like Kirkpatrick should do his job so that the Senate can deal with other stuff than this." And so, and even, you know, I've covered cannabis for years. And

• 45:15Speaker 04

  Rubio would always joke with me like, "Oh, you can ask me a marijuana question?" Well, towards the end, I'd be, you know, get on an elevator with him, and he'd be like, "Wait, can you ask me a marijuana question?" Because he knew I was going to ask him about UFO. And so I'm curious if the FBI's mandate has changed. If, because the FBI, they're supposed to be secret, which is the opposite of Arrow's mandate. And so I'm very curious if the FBI has been in part stove topping, or whatever, or, you know, wagging the dog with these UAP caucus members. Because in a sense, it's like, it kind of felt like Luna and Burlison were getting, you know, they were,

• 45:59Speaker 04

  this is a step too far, but like, they were becoming a part of deep state. Because I was like, "Wait, you guys keep having all these secret meetings with the FBI? Like, when does the public get to find out?" And so that, I'm still very curious what happens there. And again, whether the FBI has a new mandate?

• 46:19Jeremy Corbell?

  So check it out. FBI is empowered through SIG. So SIG is definitely empowered right now because of pursuing the whole thing. And what I've witnessed so far, they're doing a lot of mapping, like social mapping for years, actually. They just gave it a name recently. So, you know, they are empowered now because of pursuing the administration. So it'll be interesting to see if they can find, you know, fraud, abuse, waste, corruption, and if they take action on it, you know, do they find the people that are hiding from the legacy program, or people read into the legacy program? Are they going to actually find the people that are blocking like, transfers

• 47:00Jeremy Corbell?

  of equipment like we saw with, that George said, in Congress, that we saw with Glenn Gaffney? I don't know. I don't know if the FBI is going to have that authority and power. I hope they do, because there's work to be done. I can tell you right now, George and I are aware of active reprisals against high-level, direct, firsthand, on-craft individuals. And that is something that is going on today. So the FBI, being the Department of Justice, has prosecutorial power, whatever the hell. That is a task for them. So I hope that SIG is on the level, or at least most of

• 47:40Jeremy Corbell?

  the members. And, and I, I hope it's good for transparency, because that's the mandate, Matt, right? I think, George, that's the mandate, transparency. Let's go.

• 47:50Speaker 04

  And one very earlier, George brought up subpoenas and subpoena power. This is one area where I think, especially because we have all this new blood coming into Congress, with all these crazy promises, you know, members of both parties make. But like, when we had the Tea Party movement, which morphed into the MAGA or whatever, I really wanted them to do some government reform and, you know, change FOIA. Because when Congress wrote FOIA, what did Congress do? They exempted themselves from it. And so that would be one where I could see new members who are anti-establishment of the old guard, who have both parties, maybe doing some

• 48:31Speaker 04

  reform. But like, something that blows my mind, that I just never comprehended, was if this stuff and these programs are being hidden inside of, you know, the military industrial complex, and for, in all these contracting firms, Congress doesn't really have the power to subpoena those. And I'm like, "How?" Like, I still can't comprehend it. Because I'm like, "Wait, billions and billions of our tax dollars go to these." And like, they, in a sense, you know, when like, Elon Musk with his rockets, he has to get a classified clearance to do some of that stuff with NASA. And so I'm like, "Wait, if these companies are like intertwined with parts

• 49:14Speaker 04

  of the federal government, Congress, if you don't have that power, give yourself that power already, on every issue." And so whether it's Department of Energy, et cetera. And again, that's where me and many others fear that, you know, they're wagging the dog. We're seeing these tranches being released here, while other stuff's being moved around here. And so it'd be interesting if Congress could come together and really do some big reforms that would be nonpartisan, that would just be for the taxpayer. Because if these contracting firms are above the law,

• 49:56Speaker 04

  that's not good. Like, I know they're multimillionaires, and they've got three homes and a spot in Tuscany with our tax dollars. Like, that's gross enough. But if Congress doesn't have oversight over them, that's a problem.

• 50:11George Knapp?

  They spread a lot of money around, too, to members of Congress, those big aerospace companies, defense contractors, they hand it out, they help those, yeah. You scratch my back, I scratch yours. I, I know there are two things that I look forward to. I look forward to some reconstituted version of the Secret Task Force Subcommittee Committee with subpoena power, so they can call in what we would refer to as hostile witnesses. Sean Kirkpatrick, you've, you've dismissed all these claims that have been made by high-level whistleblowers, people like Jay Stratton, Jim Lukatsky. All right, come on in and go on the record, whether you like it or not, and we're going to ask you some questions about it. Glenn Gaffney, what, what

• 50:52George Knapp?

  was your role? Did you really block this transfer? And if so, why? And so I look forward to, if they're going to have more hearings, bring in some of these people that are, actually have secrets, and have told lies to the American public. Second thing I look forward to is the next round in the Senate side of the Disclosure Act. Schumer's going to be Majority Leader again, and has a solid majority of Democrats, I assume he's going to be Majority Leader, has a solid edge over the Republicans in the Senate. They now have allies, Democrats in the House. They're going to have a hard time explaining why they can't pass an act that has Schumer's name on it.

• 51:30Speaker 04

  And again, stuff like that, this is a good time for like, I know in the community, people play a little rough and tumble on Reddit, and on X, or whatever. This might, you know, it's due, but this might be a good time to, you know, lead with a little kindness, lead with some questions, kick their asses, you know, after they're in office six months, or whatever. But this might be, be just a good time to get some reminders out to these lawmakers. And it's like, on Schumer and the UAP Disclosure Act, or UAPDA, I'm so curious, you know, I'm from Illinois, from Chicago, and some, my joke was always that Dick Durbin was passed up by Harry Reid,

• 52:14Speaker 04

  because he rolls his eyes at this issue. And so Harry Reid was like, "Hey Schumer, if you, you know, take this UAP Disclosure Act, and actually promise to move it, then I'll make you my successor." And so, because Schumer just, as you were saying, like, he's been the leader.

• 52:36Speaker 04

  He hasn't flexed on this issue to the power, to the degree that he could. Now, that said, he's leader, so every issue comes through his office. So he's got a lot going on. And you know, a couple of months ago, when I asked him about these tranches of UFO files coming from the Pentagon, you know, he didn't tell me he had seen any of them. But he said like, "Yeah, I still support disclosure." And so it'll be interesting now, yeah, to see if he puts his money where his mouth is, because...

• 53:12Speaker 04

  I have not been impressed. And the person who's been doing most of the work on Schumer's UAP Disclosure Act has been Senator Rounds and, in all fairness, Congressman Eric Burlison over in the House. Once he learned of it from Ask a Poll UAP, then he was just dogged about it. And that's where it'll be interesting with Burlison and Burchett, because Burchett's this chummy southerner, and again, I'm from Illinois, when Jesse Jackson Jr.'s son was like walking by us, he always like slapped Burchett on the back and was like, oh, I'm coming to your district next. I guess he went down to Burchett's district and they

• 53:53Speaker 04

  had barbecue and then Burchett goes up to his district. So Burchett is just, he's a genuine nice guy. And so he's got relationships across the aisle. Folks like Burlison and Luna, they even had any reason to have relationships with Democrats. And so it's literally gonna be a new day when they come back and are powerless. They're gonna be at the back of the bus and they're gonna be like, wait, Congress sucks in the minority. And they're just gonna be lobbing bombs. But like, if your heart is in public service and you don't want to just dunk on the internet, and if you truly care about these issues, which

• 54:32Speaker 04

  I believe all of them do, then like, working a little bit in the shadows or just forging some relationships with the other side is gonna be essential to this issue. So, and again, Jared Moskowitz, he won reelection, but he's no longer on oversight. He's on judiciary as well. So that's why he hasn't been as active. And I think if he hears from folks, if some other members, a big win for the UAP community, a big quiet win, was Congressman Begich in Alaska. He, first time I met him, he approached me on the floor of the Cleveland Republican Convention. And he was like, hey, love what you're doing with Ask a Poll

• 55:16Speaker 04

  UAP. And he's like, you know, I'm just running. So he's like, can't be public now. But as his first year went on, he slowly was out there on the issue, you know, not really out there, but he was watching it, got more engaged. And so now that he's won his second term, I think we can expect to see him a little more active. It's kind of like when Dick Cheney, he refused to go on an Armed Services Committee or an Intel Committee until he won like 67% of the vote in Wyoming. Then once he hit 67%, he was like, okay, now I can be on these international, high-profile committees and, oh, forget you, people of Wyoming,

• 55:58Speaker 04

  like, no more energy and gas issues. I want to be on Intel and play with bombs and all that stuff. So that's where it's a little wise of Begich to be quiet, but we'll see if he's got a coming out, coming up here.

• 56:14George Knapp?

  Yeah, we, we met him 2025 at the hearing there, Jeremy. He was, he was there and was very interested, asking interesting questions off camera.

• 56:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's inquisitive. And that's where Burlison also, and this is like my big critique, this Professor Laszlo, my big critique of the contemporary Congress is like, their biggest sin is a lack of curiosity. And so when Trump was ushered back into office, you know, second day, because he heard from the UAP community and he was like, hey, yep, everything over Jersey, you know, when the nation was freaking out over these incursions over munitions factories and the president's own golf course, those incursions, you know, at the podium, I think it was Caroline Levitt, second day or whatever, she's just like,

• 57:05Speaker 04

  oh yeah, we checked, that was the FAA. And like, for the past two years, I've asked Senator Booker, Senator Andy Kim, and then Republican Congressman Chris Smith, like about, every time I see him, like, hey, have you guys gotten an actual like briefing on this? And that's where just like, the lack of curiosity and just the forgetfulness.

• 57:25Jeremy Corbell?

  So, so the FAA was flying 50 drones that was following a boat that like, is that like what was going on?

• 57:34Speaker 04

  And then there's like, oh, move on. And like, shame on us in the media. I call it, we're part of the politics industry. And like, we fall into that trap of forgetfulness. And like, yeah, we need like a new video and all that. But we should be asking the old questions, including about, you know, that balloon that went from, all the way from Montana to South Carolina, and then those other objects that were shot down, which I like pressed Senator Sullivan.

• 58:07Jeremy Corbell?

  The, the shoot downs is interesting, and you're right. And people, they have to re-remember. And that's the thing, they, they don't. George talked about shoot downs on UAP all the way back to, to Russia. He's been reporting on this for 40 years, but there was a segment early on when he talked about, and George, I would love to hear that again, just to contextualize it. But it's like, that issue of shoot down a UAP, I remember we got kind of laughed at at first, saying that we were shooting at them until we provided evidence and proof. And it was affirmed by releases of pursue as far as like the videos we put out. But you talked about shoot downs, George, way on, way early on. So it's always been an issue of that, right? Like, what do we do?

• 58:49George Knapp?

  Yeah, you know, there are a lot of our planes that went down during the Cold War that were likely engaged with UFOs or just disappeared altogether. And the Russians had said during their 10-year study, they had 40 incidents where they sent their warplanes after UFOs, go get them. And mostly the UFOs would leave just in a blink of an eye. But in three cases where the Russian warplanes shot on the UFOs, those three planes went down, two of the pilots died. So then the air minister put out a, an order, a nationwide order, hey, if you see UFOs, leave them the hell alone, because they have, quote, incredible capacities for retaliation. And, you know, it is curious that we have rules about how

• 59:31George Knapp?

  our military engages with these supposed drones, unknowns that have flown over Navy warships, for example. And, and you know, Jeremy, you know a lot more about that, the rules of engagement for that sort of a thing. But I think that they've tried to shoot them down and just couldn't, it didn't work.

• 59:47Jeremy Corbell?

  Five types of electromagnetic artillery, I guess I would say, were, were used, five different types. And by the way, I think during the 2019 UAP swarms, George, it was like, I got literally the, the people deploying that weaponry, most of them, they, they weren't in a position where they, they were allocated a shoot down opportunity. But there were three attempts, from what I understand, during that swarm, and they were all, like, the, all the equipment failed.

• 1:00:19George Knapp?

  Matt, your point about us dropping the ball on things. Burlison uncorked one heck of a video during that last hearing in 2025. And, and we still don't really have a clear answer what the heck that was, right?

• 1:00:32Speaker 04

  Right. And I was also gonna ask you guys, remember when El Paso just had its entire airspace shut down? Like, I was pressing the Texas delegation, you know, outgoing Senator John Cornyn, because he's pretty senior. I'm like, hey, did you ever get a good answer on what happened in El Paso? And, no. And that's where these lawmakers just, I take it back to the lack of curiosity. Cause, and I think that's where the public, we move on, you know, we're on TikTok and there's a lot of shiny objects to look at. But that's where your lawmakers do. And like, that's why I created Ask a Poll. After Trump

• 1:01:14Speaker 04

  won in 2016, I took my name out of my bureau. I have my own wire service. It was the Laszlo Congressional Bureau. Well, it became the LCB, because I was like, wait, the mainstream media lost as much as Trump won. And then that was only compounded in 2024. And so I think that's where us in the mainstream media, you know, we're lazy, we're terrible, blah, blah, blah. But we do listen to our audience. And it's amazing how just one or two comments can really perk a news director and editor up, even though, you know, like, they don't need the millions of comments from UFO Reddit. Just hearing from a few

• 1:01:56Speaker 04

  of you folks can really wake them up. And same with lawmakers. Again, like, me as a journalist going and asking them, you know, they just roll their eyes. Matt Laslo, he's the Playboy correspondent. You're lucky you get the, I get like the, you know, the freak, the ugly guy, they say worse things I'm not gonna say here. But Matt, I just wanted to say, man, you, you really, you dig in there, you're always there. We really appreciate your work, not just me and George. Like, I think the community of people who you say are curious about this, you know, I'm not gonna miss the opportunity to say that we got to weaponize their curiosity, because I think you're right. You know, it's like, people got to stay super curious about it. And you've identified that issue. Just keep doing your work, man. I like, really, George and I watch what you do and it's, it's

• 1:02:41Speaker 04

  really cool. And we support you in what you're doing and thank you for your service. Keep the questions coming. I mean, because again, like, the power of Ask a Poll is just me receding and just bringing smart questions.

• 1:02:55Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, they gotta give you what they want to know. They gotta tag people on X. That's what I've been saying recently. They gotta tag people on X. Everybody's vain. They look at their, you know, X account, like, you know, tag them, get them moving. So you want people to help and support you by being interactive in the comments.

• 1:03:10Speaker 04

  You know, after the first year of Ask a Poll,

• 1:03:14Jeremy Corbell?

  I would annoy him sometimes because one time I'm on one of the underground trams at the Capitol with him and he goes, hey, can we speak on background? I go, no, no, no, let's just keep this on the record. You know, I kept my mic out just because I'm like, I've got you to myself in this closed tram. Like, no, I'm going to keep this on the record. Well, so a couple of months later, you know, I feel a little bad about that because I still need him as a source. Well, I hop on a tram with him and his chief of staff and, you know, I go, hey, this thing's off. Then I put my mic in my pocket and, you know, he's able to vent a little bit at me for all these crazy questions. And I go, sir, you know, I've debunked more rumors in the past year than the US government

• 1:03:58Jeremy Corbell?

  has in the past 50. And Warner looks up at his chief of staff and he goes, is that right? And she goes, yeah, but, no, no, no. Like, the community, because when I first got engaged in this, I think on UFO Reddit, it was like 3.1, 3.3 million. That's up to 4.2, 4.3 million. It's like the curiosity in the community is only growing and getting smarter. And hell, the White House has now declassified a ton. And so, yeah, keep the questions coming. I want to keep making your lawmakers squirm. Let's get our taxpayer dollars worth out of these folks.

• 1:04:37George Knapp?

  We look forward to what you, who you stalked during the lame duck session that's coming up of Congress because maybe some things get spilled when people are no longer going to be there and they'll go ahead and talk to you. And then can't wait to see what you do when the new batch come into, into office in January. It's going to be a lot of fun and, and you're going to have a lot of good targets to stalk.

• 1:04:58Jeremy Corbell?

  And also folks listening, I was trying to research it a little bit, you know, looking at the 80 to 100 new members coming in, who's maybe going to engage on this issue? If anyone has any intel out there, like, hey, maybe ask this person, hey, this one might be curious, let me know because I'd love to, yeah, start those conversations sooner. I guess the freshman orientation, they start flying into town on this Sunday. They'll get a marine escort at the airport for their first and only time. It's beautiful.

• 1:05:34George Knapp?

  All right, Matt Laslo, keep us in the loop, man. Doing a good job. Well, it's always good to talk to him. He does, he works hard and does good work and, and he's one of one. There's nobody else like him on Capitol Hill doing this.

• 1:05:46Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, yeah, he's awesome, man. You know, I really respect it. He jumps in there. He's always there. He asks smart questions. Sorry, his message today was so cool. I mean, his message was like, people need to stay curious. That's what's going to drive whoever's in power in Congress, whatever committees. He said a single message on his social platform. He's like, you're telling me the good questions to ask. So he's asking for like engagement from the public and just to know as a public individual, you got that much power that you could just comment on somebody's reporting and then he'll ask the next question. I just really liked his message today. It made me feel like it was so authentic, like I'm ready to rock.

• 1:06:30George Knapp?

  Well, a lot going on in the topic, a lot to cover as usual. You got anything else to drop today?

• 1:06:35Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, just a tiny little thing for you, George. So just real quick first, new hearings, this is something people are calling me about and I'm, I'm interested to talk about it. I will tell you, I know for a fact Jay Stratton was asked if he would participate in another hearing and even proposed the date and he declined. And I think because for whatever reasons he declined, I know that he would be an, a star witness for this and I want to encourage not just him, like everybody, like he would be amazing, especially if like in our last episode, we paired him with the hostile under oath witnesses.

• 1:07:18Jeremy Corbell?

  Last week, we talked about that being Dr. Shankar Patrick, Glenn Gaffney and Susan Goh. That's what I would want to see. I'd want to see the three of them up with Jay Stratton. And I think that Jay Stratton would be this kind of like totem pole of truth because that dude is honest and he is righteous. And I think things have changed in his life where he's like, let's go, let's do it. And to compare what they're saying in front of him would just be such a powerful hearing. And I know pitfalls like Rep Luna, Rep Burlison, Rep Burchett, I know those three wouldn't take the easy road. They would love to get them up there under oath. So George, I know it's a pipe dream, but you know, you know, put that in your pipe then and smoke it.

• 1:08:03George Knapp?

  Yeah, I'd love to see that too.

• 1:08:06Jeremy Corbell?

  Okay, last bomb, you ready?

• 1:08:07George Knapp?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:08Jeremy Corbell?

  I'm telling you this, I think maybe for the first time, maybe I told you like whispered it to you the other night. So I found out, George, that there are, I'll be very straight, four consecutive IRR reports. And again, you know, intelligence information reports, these reports deal directly, I mean directly with you bringing back documents from Russia about their UFO programs. I'm aware of those numbers. People in Congress are aware because at one point, Congress was denied these IRRs before you testified. So let that sink in because I didn't tell you that before.

• 1:08:50Jeremy Corbell?

  Congress did ask for this information prior to you going up under oath to talk about Russia and what you did, bringing documents back, what we learned about the US UFO programs from the Russian documents that you brought back, thread three, all of that stuff. So now you know, and that is fact, that Congress was denied that information. Well, you know, specificity, George, I found to be is key. So if somebody, you know, a couple of journalists had those exact consecutive four IRR, IRR numbers, these intelligence numbers, hmm, be interesting what Congress could do with it. Oh, it'd be interesting what Pursue would do with it. But I just want to give you a heads up that that's done, been found and that's in action.

• 1:09:35Jeremy Corbell?

  Let's see what Pursue does. Let's see if they're being honest with the American public. Let's see if we can get those to Congress.

• 1:09:42George Knapp?

  Yeah, that's great. If you drop a little trail of breadcrumbs to where they can find it and, you know, whether they are able to get that.

• 1:09:50Jeremy Corbell?

  Oh, I'm giving them the, the direct IRR numbers.

• 1:09:53George Knapp?

  Yeah. Yeah. Well, if they don't get them or they try and fail, that tells us one thing. If they don't try, that tells us something else.

• 1:10:01Jeremy Corbell?

  They're already trying in the background. That's something else that's going on. They're very aware of the situation. Congress is on this and there's a couple of people that are like UFO angels out there making sure Congress is fully informed. I just want to tell you, it's kind of exciting because I know Russia is going to be a big topic for you in 2027.

• 1:10:18George Knapp?

  Good deal. Good deal. We'll talk after, after this recording too. And hope everyone enjoyed this episode. Weaponized will be back in a couple of days and we'll see what's, what's on the agenda when that happens.