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0:35 Speaker 01 Hi pussies. Tonight on Therapist, we have on one of my best friends, Kaia Gerber. She is one of the nicest, greatest, smartest, funniest people I've ever met. I just adore her. We've gotten so close over this past year, and I am so grateful. And randomly, we have so many. We've traveled a bunch together. Last weekend, we were in Austin. We went to Portland together. So we just have a bunch of memories in such a short amount of time, and I'm just very grateful for her. I think she is so talented. She is one of the smartest people I've ever met. She runs a book club called Library Science. You have to check it out. It's incredible. It's inspired me to read. I'm almost there.
1:19 Speaker 01 I haven't started reading yet, but I'm almost there. She is the star of the New Given She campaign, and she was recently cast in Ryan Murphy's The Shards. She was in Overcompensating, season one. You may recognize her from Bottom, Saturday Night. She is everywhere. She is so incredible, so talented. You can also catch her in season two of Palm Royale on Apple TV, coming out soon, which is also incredible. She stars alongside Kristen Wiig, who you know is an idol of mine. She's one of the coolest people I've ever met, and she's humble and smart and caring, and most of all, she's an incredible friend. I feel like this has just been like two minutes of me complimenting her, but she deserves it. To submit Tell Me What's Wrong, go to passthatpuss.com and click Tell Me What's Wrong.
2:03 Speaker 01 Leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy. Okay, enjoy the episode. Love you pussies.
2:10 Speaker 01 Hi pussies. Welcome back to Therapist. Tonight we have on actress, supermodel.
2:16 Speaker 02 Whoa.
2:18 Speaker 01 Wait.
2:18 Speaker 02 Sorry. Keep going. What else? Go, go.
2:22 Speaker 01 Leader of her own book club.
2:24 Speaker 02 Okay.
2:25 Speaker 01 Kai Gerber.
2:26 Speaker 02 Hi.
2:26 Speaker 01 Did I miss anything?
2:28 Speaker 02 No, that's too much. Actually, you did too much.
2:31 Speaker 01 And great friend.
2:33 Speaker 02 Great friend.
2:33 Speaker 01 Great friend. Which, by the way, okay, so for those that don't know, we actually filmed this episode.
2:39 Speaker 02 Almost a year ago.
2:40 Speaker 01 Almost a year ago. And the episode got lost.
2:44 Speaker 02 And it's the only time it's happened.
2:46 Speaker 01 Only time it's ever happened, the episode got lost. But now it was almost like a blessing because we actually became really close friends in between then and now.
2:55 Speaker 02 Yeah.
2:55 Speaker 01 So now this makes more sense.
2:57 Speaker 02 I was, I could tell you were stressed when you texted me that the episode was lost and I truly celebrated.
3:05 Speaker 01 You were happy.
3:05 Speaker 02 I was thrilled. I could not have been happier. It was, I blacked out. I had slept the night before, like an hour. And I was shaking and I had met you once before.
3:17 Speaker 01 Once.
3:18 Speaker 02 And I left being like, that's so bad. That's gonna be bad.
3:22 Speaker 01 Well, now this makes more sense because we actually have so many experiences to talk about.
3:26 Speaker 02 We've lived so much life together now.
3:28 Speaker 01 We have because as I say, you are my most adventurous friend.
3:32 Speaker 02 It's, you say this to me all the time and it's upsetting because I'm, I'm sorry.
3:36 Speaker 01 You got me out of the house on a Wednesday.
3:39 Speaker 02 That's true. I do that. I also like, whenever I come to your house, I, I appreciate more so when you come meet me on the east side because it's not close.
3:48 Speaker 01 I prefer the east side, I think.
3:50 Speaker 02 I know, but you live, I mean, it's nice over here. I understand.
3:52 Speaker 01 It's quiet.
3:53 Speaker 02 It's quiet. I was born close by.
3:56 Speaker 01 You were?
3:56 Speaker 02 Yes.
3:57 Speaker 01 It's not, it's just, you know, but like, I love a long Uber ride because I obviously don't drive and I like.
4:04 Speaker 02 By the way, I think you're on to something. I think I'm done driving.
4:07 Speaker 01 Really?
4:07 Speaker 02 I'm done. I've done it enough.
4:09 Speaker 01 You know what?
4:10 Speaker 02 What?
4:10 Speaker 01 I get it.
4:11 Speaker 02 I'm over it.
4:12 Speaker 01 I get it and I don't even drive.
4:14 Speaker 02 I don't, I'm over it. I've driven so much. I'm a bad driver.
4:18 Speaker 01 You're not a bad driver.
4:19 Speaker 02 Jake, have I driven you?
4:21 Speaker 01 No.
4:24 Speaker 01 Wait, yes, you have.
4:26 Speaker 02 Have I?
4:27 Speaker 01 No. No, you haven't.
4:31 Speaker 02 No.
4:31 Speaker 01 No. Yes. No. I'm trying to think. Every time it's not you driving.
4:36 Speaker 02 No, no, no. That's because I'm bad at it. And if there's someone else that can drive, I have them do it.
4:40 Speaker 01 Right, okay.
4:41 Speaker 02 So, yeah, I wouldn't drive either. I think I'm gonna be done.
4:44 Speaker 01 I got it.
4:45 Speaker 02 I've retired. I'm done. I did drive here.
4:47 Speaker 01 Okay.
4:47 Speaker 02 I can drive you tonight.
4:49 Speaker 01 And we're driving to dinner.
4:50 Speaker 02 It is so funny that, like, we know each other so well, and the second we start doing this, I feel like I've never met you before.
4:56 Speaker 01 I know. I feel the same way. We know each other.
5:00 Speaker 02 We know each other.
5:01 Speaker 01 Really well.
5:02 Speaker 02 So, we've traveled.
5:03 Speaker 01 We just took a trip together.
5:04 Speaker 02 We were in Portland together.
5:05 Speaker 01 We were in Portland together, and we had the best time.
5:08 Speaker 02 It was so fun.
5:09 Speaker 01 I, I mean, well, you took me to nature.
5:12 Speaker 02 For the first time.
5:14 Speaker 01 I've never done that before, you guys. Shkaya was like, Will was there too, and they were like, okay, like, let's go to a watering hole. What was it?
5:22 Speaker 02 Yeah, a swimming hole.
5:23 Speaker 01 A swimming hole in Portland.
5:24 Speaker 02 We wanted you to get in the hole.
5:26 Speaker 01 I got in once.
5:27 Speaker 02 And you got in the hole.
5:28 Speaker 01 And then I was like, I'm done.
5:29 Speaker 02 It was so wonderful to see you in nature. I have such great videos of you trying to walk down a steep hill. But that wasn't even really nature. That was nature in the middle of a city.
5:38 Speaker 01 Well, it's because I kept being like, okay, I'm in nature. I'm in nature.
5:41 Speaker 02 Yeah.
5:42 Speaker 01 And then I would look out, and there was a Holiday Inn Express, and we were under a highway. So, like...
5:46 Speaker 02 We were like, two minutes from a McDonald's.
5:48 Speaker 01 So, I was like, okay, this isn't the nature that I was sold.
5:53 Speaker 02 Right.
5:53 Speaker 01 But like, if anything, it's better.
5:55 Speaker 02 We sold you the dream, and we under-delivered, and I'm sorry.
5:57 Speaker 01 No, you guys were, you guys were jumping off cliffs.
6:00 Speaker 02 I did jump off a cliff, and I was like, Jake, come. No, Kyle did.
6:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, I was about to say, Kyle hurt himself, right?
6:06 Speaker 02 Because when you see a cliff, you're like, I gotta try that, right?
6:09 Speaker 01 And it doesn't look as high as it feels.
6:11 Speaker 02 And you do it once, and it's amazing, and then, and then to, to re, to wanna do it again, to return to it, is crazy. Like, he, he jumped multiple times, which I was like, that's a mistake. You do it once, you're safe, you're grateful, you had the experience, and then you swim to shore. But they were jumping it multiple times, and that's, I think, why the injury happened.
6:30 Speaker 01 Where did he get injured?
6:32 Speaker 02 His shoulder.
6:34 Speaker 01 I have great videos of you guys jumping on my little camcorder.
6:37 Speaker 02 Really?
6:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
6:38 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, you were vlogging.
6:39 Speaker 01 I was vlogging. I totally forgot about that and I need to get them on my phone.
6:43 Speaker 02 Jake was like, fully clothed, video camera out, like flip, it flipped out. And you were just sitting up on a rock at like the highest peak, sort of in a huddle, trying not to be on your phone, which I really appreciated. And then after five minutes, Jake looks at me and is like, okay, what am I supposed to do now?
7:02 Speaker 01 I didn't get it. And then like also like, we were sitting there and then I couldn't, I hadn't like, I didn't want to ruin anyone's vibe. So I didn't want to say like, hey, when are we going?
7:13 Speaker 02 You said, when are we going, starting 20 minutes in?
7:16 Speaker 01 Right. So 20 minutes in, I eventually started saying, what's the vibe?
7:20 Speaker 02 Like, we should go.
7:21 Speaker 01 And no one agreed with me. Cause everyone was enjoying themselves in nature. And we saw, and we saw Weapons, which was my type of day.
7:27 Speaker 02 We, that was actually, was that the same day as the swimming hole?
7:30 Speaker 01 No, you know, I can't do both.
7:31 Speaker 02 That was too much.
7:32 Speaker 01 Too many activities.
7:33 Speaker 02 We did, we did Weapons and then Swimming, we did Weapons and then Swimming.
7:37 Speaker 01 We did Weapons on Saturday, Swimming Pool on Sunday.
7:40 Speaker 02 That was really, really, really a great weekend.
7:43 Speaker 01 It was the best weekend ever. It was the most whole sun.
7:45 Speaker 02 It was so fun.
7:45 Speaker 01 And then we got dinner Monday night.
7:47 Speaker 02 Yeah. And then you left.
7:49 Speaker 01 That was depressing for me.
7:50 Speaker 02 You are such a star. Can I just say, you are, you are. Because, no, you are. No, I'm just gonna do it once and then I'm not gonna do it again.
7:59 Speaker 01 I mean, you can do it.
7:59 Speaker 02 I know and you're gonna love it. You, I got to see you on set and my favorite part about seeing you on set was that everyone was coming up to me, like I didn't already know how incredible you are and like delivering the news to me that you're a superstar and are gonna have this huge massive career and that they never want to make a movie without you. And I was like, you're telling me who is his self-proclaimed best friend, which you can say that I'm not, but I.
8:27 Speaker 01 No, you are.
8:28 Speaker 02 We had a discussion.
8:29 Speaker 01 We had a discussion about it.
8:30 Speaker 02 Is it okay if I refer to you as my best friend? And you said, I've been doing that already.
8:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's how it works.
8:36 Speaker 02 But you, they just were obsessed with you and kept adding you to things. And it was your first movie.
8:42 Speaker 01 It was my first movie. It was amazing. And it was so fun.
8:44 Speaker 02 And you're so funny.
8:46 Speaker 01 It was so, it was like the most, you want to know how I knew I was having a good time?
8:50 Speaker 02 How?
8:51 Speaker 01 That room we were in for the scenes that I was shooting on Monday was so hot.
8:56 Speaker 02 I got locked in that room.
8:57 Speaker 01 Do you remember how hot that room was? Did you hear me complain once?
9:01 Speaker 02 No.
9:02 Speaker 01 Not once?
9:03 Speaker 02 Yeah, and you hate being hot.
9:04 Speaker 01 I hate being hot.
9:05 Speaker 02 Don't you sleep with your?
9:06 Speaker 01 Yep, I sleep, I got it just got a fan delivered.
9:08 Speaker 02 With your mattress at like minus 10?
9:10 Speaker 01 Yep, the, yes.
9:11 Speaker 02 I have the same mattress as you.
9:12 Speaker 01 You have an eight sleep?
9:13 Speaker 02 Of course.
9:14 Speaker 01 Oh, I'll sleep over.
9:15 Speaker 02 You will? Cause you can turn yours down on your side of the bed.
9:18 Speaker 01 Wait, I didn't know you had an eight sleep.
9:19 Speaker 02 Of course I do.
9:20 Speaker 01 I'll sleep over.
9:20 Speaker 02 And I have a Lola now, too.
9:22 Speaker 01 Okay, we are Lola girls.
9:25 Speaker 02 We are Lola girls. I was sleeping with one unknowingly.
9:29 Speaker 01 Oh.
9:30 Speaker 02 I had one, but I didn't know what it was. And I was just like, this is so soft. And then you started talking to me about Lola. And then I ordered one and it came and it was the exact same.
9:38 Speaker 01 Cause Charlie and I were like, it's a lifestyle.
9:40 Speaker 02 But the XL changes everything.
9:42 Speaker 01 The XL, it's heavy. You know what's low key kind of weighted?
9:44 Speaker 02 It's a weighted blanket.
9:47 Speaker 02 It's a weighted blanket.
9:47 Speaker 01 It's weighted. It's good for my anxiety.
9:49 Speaker 02 I also don't use a comforter anymore.
9:52 Speaker 01 Wait, I don't either.
9:53 Speaker 02 I literally use this.
9:54 Speaker 01 I only use my Lola.
9:54 Speaker 02 It's the best. Sometimes it slides off in the middle of the night.
9:57 Speaker 01 Oh, always. But that's just shows you how soft it is.
10:00 Speaker 02 Cause then I like wake up and I'm like.
10:01 Speaker 01 Right. And then you pull it back on and then you get to wake up and be like, oh my God, it's 3 a.m. I have a few hours left.
10:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, I, I also know that you hate being hot and that room was so warm.
10:12 Speaker 01 Not one complaint.
10:12 Speaker 02 And the worst lighting ever. And you didn't complain once. And then you left and I was like, I'm just gonna use Jake's room. Cause you had the nicest room of anyone.
10:19 Speaker 01 It was a really nice room.
10:21 Speaker 02 You had the nicest room. And then I got locked in there because they started shooting towards the door and I, and I couldn't leave. So I did a bunch of research on Puxitani Phil.
10:31 Speaker 01 Oh.
10:32 Speaker 02 Do you know about Puxitani Phil?
10:33 Speaker 01 The groundhog?
10:33 Speaker 02 Yeah.
10:34 Speaker 01 Do you know I used to do Puss Hog Day?
10:35 Speaker 02 Wait, what is Puss Hog Day?
10:37 Speaker 01 I would wake up and decide if it was spring or not. That was it. That was it. I'll show you videos of it. It was electric.
10:42 Speaker 02 Wait, I saw you doing the like 0.99% of germs.
10:46 Speaker 01 Did you like that one?
10:47 Speaker 02 Oh my God.
10:49 Speaker 01 That one came to me in a vision.
10:50 Speaker 02 It was so funny.
10:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, thank you.
10:52 Speaker 02 It was so funny. I just sit and watch. Cause people are really inventive.
10:56 Speaker 01 They are really inventive.
10:57 Speaker 02 And then you really take it to the next level. It's really funny. The Mary Magdalene one too.
11:01 Speaker 01 The Mary Magdalene ones were my favorite series I've ever done.
11:05 Speaker 02 That was great. And then also Noah's Ark.
11:07 Speaker 01 The particle?
11:08 Speaker 02 The particle.
11:08 Speaker 01 The particle for Noah's Ark?
11:09 Speaker 02 It was so funny. It was incredible.
11:11 Speaker 01 Oh, and you wanna know my favorite part of that whole shoot?
11:13 Speaker 02 What?
11:14 Speaker 01 Was, you remember when I shot the scene?
11:18 Speaker 01 It was Louis and Maya in the car.
11:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
11:20 Speaker 01 And I ran away and then they called me back and they, because we were improvising, but I know we were improvising.
11:29 Speaker 02 Yeah, that was confusing because you were, you were running out of that shot.
11:33 Speaker 01 Right.
11:34 Speaker 02 And I don't know where you were going, but somewhere far on a busy street.
11:37 Speaker 01 It was down a hill.
11:38 Speaker 02 And then I just hear like, come back, come back. And you came back so confused.
11:42 Speaker 01 Because Graham was like, they're calling you, they're calling you. And I was like, I don't have my phone. And then I walked back in and I think like, and I, and I was like, what? And then he was like, no, you're in the scene. And I was like, oh.
11:55 Speaker 02 And I'm ready now.
11:57 Speaker 01 And it was great.
11:58 Speaker 02 You put your glasses back on and you said, I'm locked in. It was so funny. But I think you have one of the hardest jobs on that movie, which is coming in once it's already been established and everyone knows each other.
12:08 Speaker 01 Right, it's scary.
12:09 Speaker 02 And getting thrown into an environment that you haven't been acclimated to yet.
12:13 Speaker 01 It's scary.
12:13 Speaker 02 And you did such a good job.
12:15 Speaker 01 Thank you.
12:16 Speaker 02 They literally couldn't get enough. They kept adding stuff.
12:18 Speaker 01 I know. And remember I tried to stay? I was like, I can stay for the week.
12:21 Speaker 02 I wanted you to stay so bad. Once you left, I just was really sad.
12:25 Speaker 01 It's crazy that that all came from my crash out over a boy.
12:29 Speaker 02 It was that crash out that got you that job.
12:31 Speaker 01 He got me a role in the movie.
12:33 Speaker 02 So like, we're not going to thank him because he doesn't deserve to be thanked. Because it was really you that got yourself the role in the movie.
12:39 Speaker 01 We were like, I was letting you rip for like 60 minutes.
12:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
12:42 Speaker 01 And Graham was just sitting there like.
12:47 Speaker 01 And then I started a movie.
12:48 Speaker 02 And then you got a role in a movie.
12:50 Speaker 01 And then I got a role in a movie. Speaking of roles and things, you are in the shards.
12:56 Speaker 02 I am. Have you read it?
12:57 Speaker 01 No, and I, it's in my room next to my bed.
13:00 Speaker 02 It's fine.
13:01 Speaker 01 It's in my room next to my bed and I'm gonna read it.
13:04 Speaker 02 Zero preparation for the interview is crazy.
13:06 Speaker 01 No, I'm really excited. You know, reading's hard for me.
13:10 Speaker 02 You can listen to it.
13:11 Speaker 01 No, I'm gonna read.
13:12 Speaker 02 Okay.
13:12 Speaker 01 And I'm really excited.
13:13 Speaker 02 Reading's not hard for you.
13:15 Speaker 01 Yes, it is.
13:16 Speaker 02 Why is it hard for you?
13:17 Speaker 01 Because I have the attention span of a goldfish. It's crazy to me how much you read. It is one of the most underrated things about you. I had no idea how much you read.
13:25 Speaker 02 I, yeah, I do read.
13:26 Speaker 01 Do you like read in your sleep? Cause like sometimes like you'll tell me like, oh, I read this book. I read this book. And I'm like, when? Cause I've hung out with you all week and there was no reading involved, but somehow you're finding the time to read these books.
13:38 Speaker 02 I mean, it's hard to read around a lot of people.
13:40 Speaker 01 Well, of course, that's what I'm saying, but you find the time.
13:43 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'll read it before bed or in the morning or on planes.
13:48 Speaker 01 Okay.
13:48 Speaker 02 I just took your breath away.
13:49 Speaker 01 In the morning, it's just like, I can't imagine waking up and reading.
13:52 Speaker 02 Oh, it's, that's actually great. That's the best time.
13:54 Speaker 01 Tell me why.
13:55 Speaker 02 Because you're, yours, usually you're like grabbing your phone.
13:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:00 Speaker 02 And then your day is just already intruded upon by all these people.
14:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:05 Speaker 02 And when you read, no one can reach you.
14:08 Speaker 01 Wow.
14:08 Speaker 02 And I actually think reading is a muscle and the more you do it, the better your attention span gets.
14:13 Speaker 01 Okay.
14:14 Speaker 02 Cause it's hard. If I take a week off, I go back to read and I have like 20 minutes before I'm like, okay, I need to do something else.
14:20 Speaker 01 Okay.
14:21 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:21 Speaker 01 Now you saying that, that it's a muscle has made me believe that I can do it.
14:25 Speaker 02 You can a hundred percent do it. Anyone can do it. You got it. Well, maybe not anyone can do it.
14:29 Speaker 01 No. Oh.
14:30 Speaker 02 Lea Michele can do it.
14:31 Speaker 01 Lea Michele can do it. She can read.
14:34 Speaker 02 That was the best when you got her to read.
14:36 Speaker 01 Dude, it's crazy cause manifestation's real. I literally.
14:39 Speaker 02 Biggest Glee fan?
14:40 Speaker 01 Yes.
14:41 Speaker 02 By the way, speaking of Ryan Murphy.
14:43 Speaker 01 Glee.
14:43 Speaker 02 Glee.
14:44 Speaker 01 Have you ever spoken to him about Glee?
14:45 Speaker 02 No, and I need to.
14:46 Speaker 01 You need to.
14:47 Speaker 02 That show raised me in a huge way.
14:49 Speaker 01 Well, I, before we did that interview, in my head, I had this moment where I was like, I'm not gonna ask her about the reading. I'm just not, I'm not that type of person. Like, I'm not gonna ask her.
14:59 Speaker 02 You wanted to so bad.
15:01 Speaker 01 In my manifestation dreams, I hope that she picks up the tell me what's wrongs and starts reading. I swear to God, and she did it. And in that moment, the room, you could hear a pin drop.
15:13 Speaker 02 It was so powerful.
15:14 Speaker 01 It was so powerful. It was my shining moment.
15:17 Speaker 02 It was amazing.
15:19 Speaker 01 Um.
15:22 Speaker 02 Next question.
15:25 Speaker 01 Wait, but so are you, when do you, when do you start, how are you prepping for the shards? How do you prep for a role?
15:30 Speaker 02 Um, it's different for everything. I just got the first two episodes, so before that it was just reading the book. Like that was the nice thing about it being based on other material is like there's, you have access
15:40 Speaker 01 Right.
15:41 Speaker 02 To, you know, I don't know how much they're gonna stay true to it and how much they're gonna change, but like you have access to at least some kind of starting point. But I don't know, I'm playing like an LA kid, so it's not that, I don't know how different it will be from myself, but...
15:57 Speaker 01 Well, it's in the eighties, right?
15:59 Speaker 02 It's in the eighties, which I wasn't alive for.
16:01 Speaker 01 See, some research.
16:03 Speaker 02 Yeah, you know.
16:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:04 Speaker 02 I think it's gonna be fun and honestly, I love Ryan Murphy. Like I didn't realize Glee was camp when I watched it, cause I was probably too young to understand camp, but he does that so well.
16:13 Speaker 01 He, yeah, he's like the master of camp in television.
16:16 Speaker 02 Camp, like intellectual camp.
16:18 Speaker 01 Like Scream Queens.
16:19 Speaker 02 Oh my, that's a genius show.
16:21 Speaker 01 I've never seen Nip Tuck though, and I'd really wanna see it.
16:23 Speaker 02 Neither have I, and I would like to see it.
16:24 Speaker 01 Are you a TV person?
16:26 Speaker 02 I am. I used to be more than now, but you're, you watch everything.
16:31 Speaker 01 You read?
16:31 Speaker 02 You're watching Scandal.
16:32 Speaker 01 I watch, mhm, for the third time.
16:34 Speaker 02 You've seen it in its entirety?
16:36 Speaker 01 I've seen it, I've seen it, okay, so I watched it when I was a kid, up to season four, then I stopped. Then I rewatched it during COVID in its entirety, and before COVID, I had rewatched season one and two, so this must be like the third time I've rewatched it all.
16:52 Speaker 02 I'd see, but I don't understand how you have time, like if you have time to watch this many TV shows, you would read more books than I do.
16:57 Speaker 01 I know, I know, but something about, have you ever seen Scandal?
17:00 Speaker 02 Are you on your phone while you're?
17:01 Speaker 01 Sometimes.
17:02 Speaker 02 Okay.
17:02 Speaker 01 That's it.
17:03 Speaker 02 That's, I understand the rewatch when you wanna have phone time and also have noise.
17:07 Speaker 01 Have you ever seen Scandal?
17:08 Speaker 02 No.
17:10 Speaker 01 Okay, I think you're really...
17:11 Speaker 02 You're gonna say it's the best show in the world.
17:12 Speaker 01 No, it's not, it's not, okay, there's just like, I've never felt those emotions about a show before, like that I do about Scandal.
17:18 Speaker 02 What do you mean, like strong emotions?
17:20 Speaker 01 They're like the tension between Kerry Washington and Tony Goldwyn in the show.
17:24 Speaker 02 Is he the president?
17:25 Speaker 01 Yes. It is like something I've never witnessed in television before.
17:29 Speaker 02 You know which president I love in TV? James Marsden.
17:33 Speaker 01 Oh, in Paradise.
17:35 Speaker 02 Oh.
17:35 Speaker 01 We will, that is a show we bonded, my.
17:38 Speaker 02 My president. I loved him in that show.
17:41 Speaker 01 I was actually talking about that show today with my brother.
17:44 Speaker 02 I feel like you're the only other person that I know that watched it.
17:47 Speaker 01 No, that show, that show changed my life.
17:49 Speaker 02 It was so good and it was such a random, like, that's so not the kind of show I would watch, but I found it. And when there's that drone shot at the end that then, I don't want to give any spoilers away, but that, the ending of the first episode, I was like.
18:01 Speaker 01 And the needle drop of what was it like?
18:03 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
18:03 Speaker 01 Another day in paradise or something. So sick.
18:06 Speaker 02 Great music in that show, too.
18:07 Speaker 01 Season two of that show is gonna be so different than season one now, and I'm so excited.
18:12 Speaker 02 Also, Julianne Nicholson.
18:13 Speaker 01 I was talking about her today.
18:15 Speaker 02 She's so good.
18:16 Speaker 01 She's so good.
18:16 Speaker 02 Did you see her? She's in Hacks and she's really good in Blonde.
18:20 Speaker 01 What's Blonde?
18:21 Speaker 02 The Marilyn Monroe movie.
18:22 Speaker 01 I've never seen it.
18:23 Speaker 02 Andrew Dominic, have you seen any Andrew Dominic movie? He did these, this two-part film series for Nick Cave and it's so wonderful. Have you seen it, Nolan?
18:33 Speaker 03 All I know is Killing Them Softly.
18:35 Speaker 02 Okay, also great.
18:36 Speaker 03 Yeah.
18:36 Speaker 02 Um, he, there are these like beautiful set of films that he did for Nick Cave that I love.
18:41 Speaker 01 Who's Nick Cave?
18:43 Speaker 02 I love you.
18:43 Speaker 01 Who is Nick Cave? I thought you were talking about.
18:45 Speaker 02 Sometimes I'm like, we're so similar and then sometimes our tastes just could not be more opposite.
18:49 Speaker 01 It's like, I'm watching Scandal and you're reading books.
18:52 Speaker 02 Right. I'm rewatching The Office.
18:55 Speaker 01 Still, yeah.
18:56 Speaker 02 Have you seen it?
18:56 Speaker 01 No, I've never seen The Office.
18:59 Speaker 02 You are a comedian.
19:00 Speaker 01 I know. I, oh, thank you.
19:02 Speaker 02 You are.
19:03 Speaker 01 Thank you. I've never seen The Office.
19:05 Speaker 02 What do you call yourself, a comedian?
19:06 Speaker 01 A person, I would like.
19:07 Speaker 02 You're not a personality. I mean, you have a personality.
19:10 Speaker 01 I would like to say comedian, like comedian is what I aspire to say, but I'm scared that someone will be like, no, he's not. So I just don't say it.
19:17 Speaker 02 No, you're a comedian. I don't care what anyone says. That's insane. I.
19:20 Speaker 01 Well, Kaya said it, so.
19:21 Speaker 02 You're a comedian. Where, what camera do I, that's a comedian.
19:25 Speaker 01 You heard it from her.
19:26 Speaker 02 You are.
19:26 Speaker 01 And you're not gonna disagree with her, so.
19:28 Speaker 02 Um, you should watch, though, One More Time with Feeling and I think the other one, as I know this much, is true.
19:33 Speaker 01 Okay.
19:34 Speaker 02 It's, they're really sad, but they're beautiful and really cool films. But then Andrew, how did I get on this? Andrew Dominic directed Blonde, which Julianne Nicholson is in and she's really wonderful. She plays Norma Jean's mom.
19:46 Speaker 01 Norma Jean.
19:47 Speaker 02 Is Marilyn Monroe.
19:48 Speaker 01 Marilyn Monroe. Right?
19:52 Speaker 02 Yes.
19:53 Speaker 01 Okay.
19:53 Speaker 02 Next question.
19:54 Speaker 01 Next question.
19:57 Speaker 02 This is going well.
19:58 Speaker 01 Sometimes I just feel like I don't know anything, but I know everything.
20:01 Speaker 02 What? You know everything that you need to know.
20:03 Speaker 01 You know what I learned about you while we were in Portland?
20:05 Speaker 02 What?
20:06 Speaker 01 People work out on the weekends, you guys. People work out on the weekends.
20:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, we worked out together. You work out. I mean, you actually-
20:13 Speaker 01 Never on the weekends. No, no, no.
20:15 Speaker 02 You lasted five minutes.
20:16 Speaker 01 I lasted five minutes, then I said-
20:17 Speaker 02 But your headphones died.
20:18 Speaker 01 My headphones, well, the first time I did 12 330.
20:20 Speaker 02 Which, by the way, I've never successfully gotten through a 12 330.
20:24 Speaker 01 It's hard.
20:24 Speaker 02 I do 12 320.
20:26 Speaker 01 Okay, it's hard.
20:28 Speaker 02 I can't do 30.
20:28 Speaker 01 30 is hard, but then the day two, headphones gone. It was a Sunday. I was like, this isn't happening.
20:33 Speaker 02 It was overly ambitious to try to work out on the weekend, but I was glad that we did it.
20:37 Speaker 01 Me too.
20:37 Speaker 02 It was fun, and I liked seeing you in the gym. You actually look so good.
20:41 Speaker 01 Really?
20:42 Speaker 02 Yeah. And I've seen you in every state and with as little clothing as possible, and you look amazing.
20:47 Speaker 01 You have, haven't you?
20:48 Speaker 02 Yeah, I've seen you basically naked.
20:49 Speaker 01 Basically, yeah.
20:50 Speaker 02 And you look very good.
20:51 Speaker 01 I feel like I've really been working out.
20:54 Speaker 02 Look at that. Wait, show it. Don't, yeah. Look at that.
20:57 Speaker 01 Like-
20:58 Speaker 02 Is that Louis?
20:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's Louis.
21:00 Speaker 02 You look so good.
21:01 Speaker 01 I do, I did 55s today.
21:03 Speaker 02 I've never lifted anything that heavy.
21:04 Speaker 01 It was hard.
21:05 Speaker 02 Sometimes a child will ask me to pick them up.
21:07 Speaker 01 You're like, I can't.
21:09 Speaker 02 No, I can't.
21:10 Speaker 01 Right.
21:10 Speaker 02 I can't do that.
21:11 Speaker 01 You are like, you know what's crazy? Back to you being my most adventurous friend.
21:15 Speaker 02 It's insane that you think that, but yeah.
21:17 Speaker 01 Do you remember the 4th of July too, I was also in nature?
21:20 Speaker 02 Yeah, we scaled a mountain together.
21:22 Speaker 01 You realize I don't do that. Like, I don't know how to like emphasize that enough.
21:26 Speaker 02 When you say that I'm your most adventurous friend, do you mean like, I'm cool, party adventurous, or I'm like, nature adventurous?
21:33 Speaker 01 They're all the same.
21:34 Speaker 02 So, across the board?
21:35 Speaker 01 Across the board.
21:36 Speaker 02 I'm your most adventurous friend.
21:38 Speaker 01 You're like, come meet us at blank, and I'm like, it's Tuesday, and like, okay, I'm leaving the house, I guess.
21:44 Speaker 02 Yeah, but you do it. You come.
21:45 Speaker 01 I know. I know.
21:47 Speaker 02 You show up.
21:47 Speaker 01 I show, I show up.
21:48 Speaker 02 And you're like the most entertaining person ever. It's so fun to watch people meet you for the first time. You know, I was thinking about this on the drive here. I have never heard someone say something bad about you ever.
21:58 Speaker 01 Oh, my God.
21:59 Speaker 02 Never.
22:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, people have.
22:02 Speaker 02 No.
22:02 Speaker 01 People-
22:03 Speaker 02 Well, not to me. Maybe they know that I would kill them if they did.
22:05 Speaker 01 Thank you.
22:06 Speaker 02 Probably because I have this look where it's like, don't even think.
22:10 Speaker 01 Well, I love all your friends, and I love making Louis laugh.
22:15 Speaker 02 He is very generous with his laughter, but you do have to earn it, but once it comes, it's so gratifying.
22:21 Speaker 01 That's why I put on the show, cause like when we're out at dinner and he starts laughing, I'm like, okay. Like, I'm gonna keep it going. Like, I'm gonna keep it going.
22:28 Speaker 02 He always says to me, and we're like, how are you and Will, single? But then I think about the people in the world that are available, or that at least I know that are available, and they're not worthy.
22:38 Speaker 01 Dating in L.A. is really hard for me, just as a gay guy. It's really hard for me.
22:42 Speaker 02 Yeah, I mean, what do you think you are looking for? Do you want more of a like, like, do you want a monogamous relationship? Do you want like a more traditional relationship?
22:50 Speaker 01 I think just to start, I, look, I'm so open to anything eventually, but I think for my first boyfriend, I'd like it to be monogamous.
22:57 Speaker 02 Well, also, I think in order to be open, you have to have trust, and to have trust, you have to
23:00 Speaker 01 Right.
23:01 Speaker 02 get to know each other and know that you can be monogamous.
23:04 Speaker 01 My thing is just like, I don't know, I feel like I'm so selfish and so busy that it's like hard for me to like, give someone else my attention.
23:14 Speaker 02 Right, but I do think, totally. But I think that's a really actually great quality to have, cause I used to be the opposite way, where like, I would completely just change my personality and my values for someone, a hundred percent, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I always dated people that were older than me, and so I was very willing to give up everything. Like, I was like, I can show you I love you by completely giving up my life for you, which is actually not how you build respect and trust, and is not good in the long run. Cause then you start to like, bring a little bit more of who you really are into the relationship, and they're like, no, I liked that person before.
23:49 Speaker 01 But that wasn't you.
23:50 Speaker 02 It's like, my fault, but yeah.
23:51 Speaker 01 Well, it's also their fault.
23:54 Speaker 02 They're not, not, they're not all, you know, innocent, but yeah, I think that that's a big thing. And I also like, I was literally talking about this the other day with Lou, where we were like, the amazing thing about you is the person that ends up loving you is gonna be so obsessed with you because you are such a specific person, that they're just gonna like, die for you. And die for every single part of you. I believe this so much. And if they don't, then like, like, don't you dare shave your legs.
24:18 Speaker 01 Oh my god, I wanna shave my legs so badly. I texted Kaya the other day, and I was like, how do I like?
24:24 Speaker 02 How do I remove the hair from my legs?
24:25 Speaker 01 How do I remove the hair from my body?
24:27 Speaker 02 Don't you dare.
24:28 Speaker 01 I saw this TikTok and it was like, you need to shave your legs. And I was like, damn, okay. I shaved like a patch.
24:36 Speaker 01 I told you.
24:37 Speaker 02 What did you, did you shave it with a razor?
24:39 Speaker 01 No, I just did like a little.
24:41 Speaker 02 Did you do a nerve test?
24:42 Speaker 01 I did a little like a, like I did this razor and it's so bumpy now.
24:46 Speaker 02 Don't do it. I mean, obviously do whatever makes you happy, but don't do it because.
24:51 Speaker 01 Maybe I'll trim it.
24:51 Speaker 02 Okay, this is, I truly believe this. They are lucky to even be in the position where you would have sex with them. So they can't then start putting like parameters up of like, or you know, non-negotiables. That's insane.
25:05 Speaker 01 I know, it was crazy.
25:06 Speaker 02 They should be so lucky.
25:07 Speaker 01 It was crazy, but I do.
25:08 Speaker 02 They should be like licking your leg hair.
25:10 Speaker 01 Oh, thank you.
25:11 Speaker 02 And swallowing it.
25:11 Speaker 01 Okay.
25:12 Speaker 02 That's what I think.
25:13 Speaker 01 I wanna wax it so bad just to see what it's like, but also like.
25:16 Speaker 02 I think you're gonna feel really naked.
25:18 Speaker 01 Do guys, do actors like wax themselves for TVs and movies though? Yes, right?
25:24 Speaker 02 You're asking me because I've dated a lot of actors.
25:26 Speaker 01 No, I'm asking you because you're an actress.
25:29 Speaker 02 Well, it's different, I'm sure for, I think it, it depends what the role requires. I, I wouldn't shave my legs for a role. I mean, I shave my legs for myself sometimes if I'm feeling like it. You know what I love is an everything shower. Do you know what that is?
25:43 Speaker 01 I do, but I never do it because, well, actually.
25:46 Speaker 02 What?
25:47 Speaker 01 I've started skincare recently.
25:49 Speaker 02 What do you mean? Like on the?
25:50 Speaker 01 I've never washed my face before.
25:52 Speaker 02 You have perfect skin. It's always the people that don't wash their faces that have good skin.
25:56 Speaker 01 But I started using Rode.
25:58 Speaker 02 Okay.
25:59 Speaker 01 I really fuck with it.
26:00 Speaker 02 I saw you post a picture wearing Rode and your skin was glowing.
26:03 Speaker 01 Glowing, look at it right now.
26:05 Speaker 02 Are you wearing it right now?
26:05 Speaker 01 The glazing milk.
26:06 Speaker 02 Okay.
26:07 Speaker 01 And I use the face wash, the glazing milk, and then I do the spray.
26:10 Speaker 02 Pineapple face wash. I use that too. It takes your makeup off really well. Not that you, I pointed at you and said, your makeup.
26:15 Speaker 01 No, but, no, you know what? I would use it though. No, I use.
26:17 Speaker 02 Chappell Row and Drag.
26:18 Speaker 01 Yes, no, well, that, nothing took that makeup off. I showed up to set the next day for Kraft Mac and Cheese and there was like black eyeliner under my eye and I was like, yeah, this is what you guys are getting and I'm really sorry about it.
26:30 Speaker 02 Sometimes your life is so funny. It's so insane.
26:34 Speaker 01 It's so, yeah. Like, well, you saw what I texted you today?
26:40 Speaker 02 About, oh, about.
26:42 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm. Somebody texted me.
26:44 Speaker 02 Oh, my God. Oh, yeah.
26:45 Speaker 01 Somebody texted me, I will not name this person, but like, they texted me, "Happy birthday." And I said, "Oh, my God, blank, I miss you, but it's not my birthday." And they said, "Oh, so when's your birthday?" And I said, "October 27th. Why?" And they said, "'Cause usually, the people that say they miss me, I would know their birthday. Who is this?" And I said, "Um, this is Jake." And they said, "Oh, shit."
27:11 Speaker 02 Wrong number.
27:12 Speaker 01 "You're not Kiki Palmer."
27:15 Speaker 01 What?
27:16 Speaker 02 It's so funny.
27:17 Speaker 01 It was, actually, that's a real conversation I had today.
27:20 Speaker 02 But that's like, normal for you.
27:22 Speaker 01 And I was like, damn, it was one of the funnier things that had happened to me in the past week.
27:26 Speaker 02 I got a really lovely "Happy Birthday" text a month ago, and it was not my birthday, but it was so nice. And it said, "Happy Birthday, Kaya." They didn't think I was Kiki Palmer.
27:36 Speaker 01 Kiki Palmer.
27:37 Speaker 02 Uh, they said, "Happy Birthday, Kaya," and like, all these amazing lovely things, and I literally just said, "Thank you so much."
27:44 Speaker 01 Oh, you didn't tell them?
27:44 Speaker 02 No.
27:45 Speaker 01 I, maybe I shouldn't have told them.
27:46 Speaker 02 Well, no, because then, maybe like, that person actually now can reach out to Kiki Palmer, because maybe it is her birthday.
27:53 Speaker 01 Is it Kiki Palmer's birthday?
27:54 Speaker 02 I think she's a Virgo.
27:56 Speaker 03 It's Kiki Palmer's birthday.
28:00 Speaker 02 Happy birthday, Kiki.
28:02 Speaker 01 Happy birthday, Kiki Palmer. Wow. Yeah, no, that was crazy.
28:06 Speaker 02 That is so funny.
28:07 Speaker 01 But also, like, Kiki Palmer deserves more than just a "Happy Birthday," no, no exclamation point. There was nothing.
28:13 Speaker 02 It was just "Happy Birthday."
28:14 Speaker 01 Happy Birthday.
28:15 Speaker 02 You know when you say "congrats" or "congratulations," it automatically sends confetti?
28:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, I love it.
28:21 Speaker 02 And also, how do you turn the thing off of Zoom where it celebrates for you?
28:25 Speaker 01 What?
28:26 Speaker 02 You know where, if you do a certain hand gesture?
28:29 Speaker 01 And it goes, gives you the thumbs up?
28:31 Speaker 02 I was on a Zoom where someone was telling me a really personal, sad story.
28:35 Speaker 01 Oh, Jesus Christ.
28:36 Speaker 02 And it was a director, and it was really, like, lovely that they were opening up in that way, and I was listening really intently, and I think I just went like this or something, and balloons started, or no, no, no, no, it was the laser show. And it got dark all around me, and then it was rave lasers, and I literally was like, "I'm so sorry."
28:56 Speaker 01 Did they laugh?
28:57 Speaker 02 No, they were like, "It's okay."
29:00 Speaker 01 Like, got it.
29:00 Speaker 02 I was like, "This is the worst thing that could have happened right now, and I'm so sorry. It was terrible."
29:04 Speaker 01 What, I don't know, I don't think you can turn that off.
29:08 Speaker 02 I mean, you should be able to because it's really inappropriate sometimes. It was the worst. It was horrible. I didn't get that job, obviously, so.
29:17 Speaker 01 I, yeah, I don't know how you actors do it.
29:22 Speaker 02 Well, you do because you're auditioning now.
29:24 Speaker 01 I am, and it really hurts every time.
29:26 Speaker 02 It doesn't stop hurting.
29:28 Speaker 01 But you, you give the best advice about it. Like, it's not meant for you.
29:32 Speaker 02 I give the advice that I wish I listened to. When it comes to me, there's no consoling me.
29:38 Speaker 01 Right.
29:38 Speaker 02 But it does make me feel slightly better, like all the rejection is worth it when I can actually give you advice on it. But I do believe that like either a role was always yours or never yours. That's true.
29:48 Speaker 01 Do you, like, do you think that, like, it hurts more when you're closer to it and you don't get it?
29:54 Speaker 02 A hundred percent.
29:55 Speaker 01 Okay.
29:55 Speaker 02 When you do a self-tape and don't hear anything back, you're like, well.
29:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
29:58 Speaker 02 You know, who cares?
29:59 Speaker 01 Right.
30:00 Speaker 02 When they're like, they're really interested, do another one. You're, you start to get excited, even if it's a project that you weren't excited about before. Suddenly you start caring about things that you didn't actually care about.
30:10 Speaker 01 Right.
30:11 Speaker 02 And then they're like, and we actually sold it. We sell more of you and we don't like it. Then you're like, oh, okay.
30:17 Speaker 01 And it hurts.
30:18 Speaker 02 It hurts. I don't know if I'm very good at auditioning, but I think you're also the kind of actor that like, you're just gonna get roles because you're so right for it.
30:26 Speaker 01 Well, I don't think I can do something that's not, doesn't check out with like my, I don't think people would buy it.
30:32 Speaker 02 Like what?
30:33 Speaker 01 Like, I don't think I could, remember the other day I tried to play straight and I, you were like, just do it. I was like, I don't think anyone's gonna buy this. I didn't get it, so.
30:42 Speaker 02 I mean, people say that I can't play straight either.
30:45 Speaker 01 What?
30:45 Speaker 02 Yeah, that was my big feedback when I did Bottoms, is they were like, my one note is that like, we don't believe that Kai is straight. I mean, I didn't think my character was straight. She was written straight, but I definitely was not believing it.
30:56 Speaker 01 Was Bottoms the first acting thing you ever did?
30:58 Speaker 02 No, I did American Horror Story, Ryan Murphy.
31:02 Speaker 01 I forgot about that.
31:03 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
31:04 Speaker 01 And was that, was it, what, like, were you like, did you grow up watching American Horror Story?
31:08 Speaker 02 Yes, I watched every season.
31:09 Speaker 01 Which is your favorite?
31:10 Speaker 02 Okay, I have two. Okay, I love, I love the first season. It's like near and dear. And also the twins in the beginning, Bodie and Kai, I went to school with them. So that was huge. In my town, it was like Bodie and Kai have hit it big there in American Horror Story. Then I love Cult, which is, I know, weird.
31:27 Speaker 01 Wait.
31:28 Speaker 02 When Evan Peters has blue hair.
31:30 Speaker 01 Did I watch Cult? I watched Coven. No, I didn't watch Cult. I watched Coven.
31:34 Speaker 02 You, especially now, in today's climate, is actually so good. You should watch Cult. It's really scary because it's like super realistic.
31:42 Speaker 01 What's it about?
31:43 Speaker 02 It's about like a political campaign and a cult.
31:46 Speaker 01 Oh, yes, I never saw this.
31:47 Speaker 02 You should. Evan Peters is so good in it.
31:49 Speaker 01 OK, I need to watch it.
31:50 Speaker 02 And I was freaking out because I'm like the biggest American Horror Story fan. And they kind of pitched the character that I was playing to me like, I mean, they didn't pitch it to me. I auditioned and I wanted...
32:00 Speaker 01 But then they explain the character.
32:01 Speaker 02 But then when they explained the character, they were like, it's kind of like the modern like Tate, who was Evan Peters in season one. And I was like, don't do this to me. And I got to wear the same shirt that says, "Normal people scare me." And I freaked out. My performance didn't hit the same as Evan Peters' performance, but just total... It didn't, and that's OK. We learn and we grow. But I loved doing that show and I'm such a fan. And then I also loved Freak Show. Did you watch that one?
32:27 Speaker 01 That was the circus one, right?
32:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
32:28 Speaker 01 I did actually wa... I watched some of that one.
32:31 Speaker 02 Where Sarah Paulson plays the...
32:32 Speaker 01 Yes.
32:32 Speaker 02 ...conjoined twins?
32:33 Speaker 01 Yes.
32:34 Speaker 02 Perfect.
32:35 Speaker 01 Have you... You've seen Coven, right?
32:36 Speaker 02 Yes.
32:37 Speaker 01 That was like my...
32:38 Speaker 02 That was your favorite?
32:38 Speaker 01 That was my big one.
32:39 Speaker 02 I love that show so much.
32:41 Speaker 01 It's just exceptional.
32:42 Speaker 02 It's exceptional. It's camp. And now I get to work with him again. It's very exciting. Yeah, I love him.
32:47 Speaker 01 And the premise of the... So I keep interrupting you. Have you noticed that?
32:50 Speaker 02 I don't think that you're interrupting me. I think we're having a normal conversation.
32:53 Speaker 01 Thank you so much. Thank you so much. So what is the concept of The Shards? It's that it takes place in the 80s and there is a murder and you go to Beverly Hills High?
33:03 Speaker 02 Yes. No, that's not correct, but it was... The premise of The Shards, it's kind of autofiction. Do you know what that is? OK, so autofiction. Autofiction is, it's like autobiography slash fiction. So it's like when people kind of retell...
33:21 Speaker 01 Next time I'll use context clues.
33:23 Speaker 02 Yeah. It's OK. It's like a retelling of someone's life with fiction.
33:27 Speaker 01 Got it.
33:28 Speaker 02 So it's Bret Easton Ellis's life story or in high school when he was... It was around the time he was writing Less Than Zero. But it's obviously like heightened and kind of imagined, but the names are real people that he went to high school with. School with, he went to Buckley. So it's it's sort of based in truth. And it's about a group of wealthy kids who go to Buckley High. And they, there starts being murders and people start going missing. And the main character Brett sort of is figure, trying to figure out who did it. He thinks it's this new kid at school, Robert Mallory. And and then kind of how chaos ensues within the friend group and the city of Los Angeles.
34:10 Speaker 01 Not to be so toxic, because I know that that's, there's murder. But how interesting would your have, your high school have been if there was a murder mystery and you were solving it within your friend group?
34:20 Speaker 02 So interesting.
34:21 Speaker 01 That sounds fascinating.
34:22 Speaker 02 Not that I wish that upon anyone, but it, I think that's kind of why, I don't know if there was actually a murder at Buckley in the eighties. But I think that's kind of Brett was like, let me retell my high school experience in a little more of like an interesting and
34:35 Speaker 01 Right.
34:36 Speaker 02 And creepy way. And it's scary. The book is really scary.
34:39 Speaker 01 Oh, that's my type of book. Okay. You know what? I'm gonna start it tonight.
34:42 Speaker 02 It's scary.
34:43 Speaker 01 After the dinner that I'm making you go to with me.
34:45 Speaker 02 I, you're not making me. I'm excited.
34:46 Speaker 01 Really?
34:47 Speaker 02 I make you come out all the time with me.
34:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, but I'm, I have fun.
34:51 Speaker 02 All of our best friends moved to New York, so we sort of ended up together accidentally, but I'm grateful and it was a good pairing.
34:57 Speaker 01 It's the best pairing. We met at Travis's wig party, who is now also in New York.
35:02 Speaker 02 Yeah. Well, he's here right now.
35:03 Speaker 01 Oh, he is here right now.
35:04 Speaker 02 Didn't you see him this weekend?
35:05 Speaker 01 I did. Oh, Tra- I love Travis.
35:07 Speaker 02 We love Travis.
35:08 Speaker 01 My king.
35:09 Speaker 02 I went to school with Travis.
35:10 Speaker 01 Oh, you, you.
35:10 Speaker 02 We met in middle school.
35:12 Speaker 01 How'd you guys meet?
35:13 Speaker 02 Um.
35:13 Speaker 01 Like class?
35:14 Speaker 02 He, he was friends with this boy named Chris and they invited me. I was friends with the cool girls, but I was not cool at all. And he invited us to Chris's house and we like hung out. And then I remember on the first week, or it was maybe homecoming of sixth grade. He Snapchat messaged me, are you coming to the game tonight? To which I responded, why? Because.
35:41 Speaker 01 Do you think he was asking you on a date?
35:42 Speaker 02 No, I just thought that they were trying to play a prank on me because boys didn't invite me places. So I was very sort of suspicious of the invite or of the ask. And I was like, why? What are you gonna do to me there? And now he's my best friend. Well, you and him are my best friends for life. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He is. He knows where all the bodies are buried.
36:01 Speaker 01 Friends like those are scary, but great.
36:03 Speaker 02 He could ruin my life.
36:04 Speaker 01 Right? That's what I think about some of my best friends.
36:07 Speaker 02 He knows exactly where it would hurt the most. I mean, truly, but he, but he doesn't thankfully.
36:11 Speaker 01 That's my Alice.
36:12 Speaker 02 Is that your Alice?
36:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, Alice would, Alice knows all.
36:14 Speaker 02 Who's your longest friend?
36:15 Speaker 01 Probably my, she, I used to have her babysit me because she was so cool. She was a senior when I was in seventh grade, but like I just wanted to hang out with her, but she would only hang out with me when I would, she would babysit me. Amani, but we talk every day now, but she has known me since I was 12.
36:29 Speaker 02 Okay.
36:30 Speaker 01 That's probably my longest friend.
36:31 Speaker 02 Are you the same person that you were at 12? I, I can feel that from you.
36:34 Speaker 01 The same exact person.
36:36 Speaker 02 I'm so glad. I see videos of you when you're younger and I'm like, you literally haven't changed at all in the best way.
36:43 Speaker 01 You know what? There's a lot of things I'll critique about myself. I am the same person and I, and I appreciate that I've stayed true to myself.
36:50 Speaker 02 You, you a hundred percent have, and then people just caught on to you. I feel this way about like Charlie XCX. I'm comparing you and Charlie XCX. Because Charlie always just stayed true to herself and then finally people caught up to her, but she was way ahead of everyone.
37:03 Speaker 01 Do you, did you listen to her? Like, like what's your favorite album by her?
37:07 Speaker 02 I mean, I loved like, obviously like I love it and all of the, all the early Charlie. But I think like the most recent really, really grabbed me in a way that I wasn't expecting. But I've always loved her so much. And I think like, it just took people a second to catch up to her. And I think like your success has been people just catching on to you rather than like you adjusting for people.
37:31 Speaker 01 I really try to remind myself of that all the time. I really am like, every time I feel myself adjusting, I'm like, I can't do this.
37:37 Speaker 02 But it's hard because a lot of your videos are based off of comments, right?
37:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
37:42 Speaker 02 So do you have to read the comments?
37:45 Speaker 01 Yeah. And like, even if I didn't, I would anyway. Do you read comments?
37:49 Speaker 02 I don't let people comment on my Instagram.
37:52 Speaker 01 Got it. Did you, was that always the case?
37:54 Speaker 02 No, I'm just too sensitive.
37:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
37:56 Speaker 02 I, I did for a long time and then I stopped. My therapist was like, stop. And so I did stop. Uh, but it's so, it's too tempting, like not because I think I'm better than anyone. I'm actually very weak and I would read all of them if they were there. So I just don't, I don't, I can't.
38:14 Speaker 01 Have you ever let like one comment ruin your entire day?
38:16 Speaker 02 Of course.
38:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
38:17 Speaker 02 Especially when they point out an insecurity you hadn't thought of before.
38:21 Speaker 01 Mine is like, you can calm, you can say I'm ugly, you can say whatever you want. When they like critique my character.
38:27 Speaker 02 But how do they know your character?
38:29 Speaker 01 They don't, but they'll critique it anyway. And like, that's what hurts the most.
38:33 Speaker 02 Yeah, yes.
38:34 Speaker 01 Where they're like, this guy seems like a bad guy.
38:38 Speaker 02 That's insane.
38:38 Speaker 01 That's like what kills me, but like that, because I have such bad OCD. And I know this sounds stupid, but one of like my OCDs is that, um, like, and I, I thought, I didn't know this until I saw it on TikTok. Somebody was like, no, it's a symptom of OCD is thinking you're a bad person all the time. Or like thinking like you're gonna, you, you were not like, just thinking you're a bad person. Like thinking your intentions are bad is like a symptom of OCD.
39:01 Speaker 02 Oh, thinking that you did something intentionally.
39:03 Speaker 01 Yeah. And so like that is, I've always had that. And so when I read that, it like really, it like really upsets me.
39:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'm, I truly, I'm like the friend that the next morning has to hear that they're not mad. That the people that were with me the night before were not mad at me.
39:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:20 Speaker 02 I think everyone's mad at me all the time, all the time.
39:24 Speaker 01 I've never thought you were mad at me, or no, I've never, I've never heard of anyone ever being mad at you.
39:32 Speaker 02 They have been, it happened. The worst is when you think someone's mad at you and they are.
39:39 Speaker 01 Cause you're like, fuck, I was right. What else have I been right about?
39:41 Speaker 02 Literally, then you go, probably the 400 other people that I think are mad at me. I don't even know 400 people and I assume that at any given moment, 400 people are mad at me.
39:50 Speaker 01 Right.
39:51 Speaker 02 It's the worst. I mean, I have friends who will just text me once a day, not mad at you. Cause they know that I probably think that they are. It's a really nice thing to do for the people that you care about. I'll do it to you.
40:03 Speaker 01 Can you?
40:03 Speaker 02 But you never think I'm mad at you and I honestly would never get mad at you.
40:06 Speaker 01 But I don't know, maybe can you start doing it?
40:08 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'll do it.
40:09 Speaker 01 Do, I feel like.
40:12 Speaker 01 Louis like takes care of you so well. Like, you know what I mean? Like, he would be the type to text you, not mad at you.
40:17 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
40:17 Speaker 01 You know what I mean?
40:18 Speaker 02 It is so nice. I mean, one, especially in Portland, I felt like he was all of our boyfriend.
40:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, he was my boyfriend.
40:23 Speaker 02 He was the group's boyfriend.
40:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
40:25 Speaker 02 He loves you and Will so much.
40:27 Speaker 01 He's my everything.
40:28 Speaker 02 Like, I really feel like a lot of the appeal to me was you guys. Like, he was like, "Your friends are amazing." And I was like, "It's a shock that they want to hang out with me." Um, but I'm definitely a lot is being healed in this relationship.
40:41 Speaker 01 I can feel it, by the way. He is like, "You guys are like, healthy."
40:47 Speaker 02 I'm gonna cry.
40:47 Speaker 01 No, it's true. We mean it.
40:50 Speaker 02 Thanks.
40:51 Speaker 01 It's true.
40:52 Speaker 02 It is. I, I really feel like if you have the opportunity to date a friend, do it. Cause like, it just is so much better.
41:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
41:02 Speaker 02 Like, I would never want to fight with my friends. I never want to be mad at my friends. I respect my friends. It just is like a whole other thing. And I think sometimes you forget that you like someone when you love them.
41:15 Speaker 01 So, I've never heard someone explain it that way. So, it's like, you don't want to fight with your friends. But when you view someone as like just a boyfriend or just a partner, you're like, "I could, like, I'll fight with you."
41:25 Speaker 02 Like, I truly feel like sometimes in relationships, and I know you've never been in one, but you will learn this.
41:33 Speaker 02 You get to a place where it's almost impossible to understand how love can get you there. Like, you're like, "How can we get brought here by love?"
41:40 Speaker 01 Right.
41:41 Speaker 02 And...
41:42 Speaker 01 Like, what, like, how, how is this love?
41:44 Speaker 02 Like, how is love the thing that carried us to this point of like hurt and pain and anger and all, and resentment and all those things? When like, love is supposed to be a really beautiful thing. Um, so I really think like, if you can date your friends, you should. Or date someone that you would be friends with anyways.
41:59 Speaker 01 Right.
41:59 Speaker 02 Don't date someone just because you're like sexually attracted to them and, uh, are in lust with them. You should sleep with those people.
42:08 Speaker 01 Right.
42:08 Speaker 02 For sure.
42:09 Speaker 01 Right.
42:09 Speaker 02 But you don't need to make them your partners.
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43:49 Speaker 01 Wait, so it's about to be your birthday. So I guess when this comes out, it'll be past your birthday. Oh, also, I'm taking the 11:00 PM on the 3rd.
43:55 Speaker 02 So you can come to dinner, 7:30.
43:58 Speaker 01 Great, I'll be there. Can I bring my luggage?
43:59 Speaker 02 Of course.
44:00 Speaker 01 Do you care?
44:01 Speaker 02 Not at all, why would I care?
44:02 Speaker 01 Cool.
44:02 Speaker 02 I'm so happy you'll be there.
44:03 Speaker 01 I'll be there.
44:03 Speaker 02 I need my best friend there.
44:05 Speaker 01 And I need to go to my best friend's birthday.
44:08 Speaker 02 It sounds good, doesn't it? It feels good.
44:10 Speaker 01 It sounds so good. Yeah, I can go and I'll leave at nine. Or I'll leave at like eight thirty, but I'll go.
44:15 Speaker 02 But you'll come.
44:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, maybe I'll come to your house before.
44:17 Speaker 02 That's cute. Let's do that.
44:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
44:19 Speaker 02 Okay, gorgeous. Thank God.
44:21 Speaker 01 I'm so excited.
44:21 Speaker 02 Are you so excited for Life of a Showgirl?
44:23 Speaker 01 Like, you already know, like, it's gonna change my fucking life.
44:25 Speaker 02 We were at dinner when the announcement happened and you had to excuse yourself.
44:28 Speaker 01 I said, everybody, well, first of all, I told everybody, I said, I'm just letting everyone know. Uh, I think it was nine PM. I am gonna have to leave dinner. No, it was, it was nine twelve for us.
44:41 Speaker 02 It was.
44:42 Speaker 01 I'm gonna have to leave dinner for five minutes to experience this.
44:46 Speaker 02 It was also so funny because it was a group of boys only who didn't understand the gravity and what it meant to you.
44:53 Speaker 01 Right.
44:54 Speaker 02 And so you had to excuse yourself and they were all kind of like, what's going on?
44:57 Speaker 01 Do you remember? And then do you remember I was guessing what it was gonna be before?
45:00 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:01 Speaker 01 I was like, something with the cosmos. I was so off.
45:03 Speaker 02 What was the name that you guessed? It was like cosmic?
45:06 Speaker 01 Cosmic love.
45:07 Speaker 02 Love.
45:07 Speaker 01 Cosmic, cosmic burn. Like, cuz I was like, it's orange, it's like, it's reds, it's orange, it's cosmic, it's Life of a Showgirl. So I was, I was off.
45:17 Speaker 02 And are you happy about the engagement?
45:20 Speaker 01 I threw up. I almost threw up. Like, I, it's just because it's, she's been singing about wanting this for so long. So like, seeing it come to fruition is so awesome.
45:31 Speaker 02 You can find love.
45:33 Speaker 01 You can find love.
45:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, it doesn't matter how long it takes.
45:35 Speaker 01 So much heartbreak and you can still find love.
45:38 Speaker 02 It's so true, and I think she's the champion of that.
45:40 Speaker 01 She is.
45:40 Speaker 02 It's like, you can date as many people as you want, you can make as many mistakes as you want, and like, eventually you're gonna find that person. It doesn't matter how long it takes.
45:48 Speaker 01 Also, like, the way that their love story played out, I thought was really sweet. He literally just like shot his shot on his podcast. Said, I made her a friendship bracelet. She didn't get it. And then that's how they started. Do you not know that?
46:00 Speaker 02 No.
46:01 Speaker 01 That's how they started dating.
46:02 Speaker 02 Wait, what did he do?
46:03 Speaker 01 He went on his podcast, if I'm remembering correctly, and was like, I made Taylor Swift a friendship bracelet because she performed at, I think it was Arrowhead Stadium, wherever he plays, he went. He was like, I made her friendship bracelet.
46:16 Speaker 02 And which was part of the whole friendship bracelet culture.
46:19 Speaker 01 And I didn't get to give it to her. And so I remember seeing like the news, like Travis Kelsey says like, he can get to give to her.
46:25 Speaker 02 And she heard.
46:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, they're engaged now.
46:27 Speaker 02 They're engaged.
46:27 Speaker 01 So never say never. Shoot your shot.
46:30 Speaker 02 Have you ever slid into someone's DMs?
46:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, and I, and honestly, it's never worked out in my favor. So I've stopped.
46:36 Speaker 02 I do think like, and you're on dating apps too, right?
46:40 Speaker 01 I should.
46:40 Speaker 02 I just, how do you know if you don't know their personality?
46:43 Speaker 01 You, that's what I think. Well, that's why this guy I'm going on a date with in New York, I didn't go on a date with him, but then I ran into him somewhere.
46:51 Speaker 02 Oh.
46:51 Speaker 01 And we, like, I felt we vibed.
46:53 Speaker 02 Right. It's really hard to tell. Like, sometimes you see someone and you're like, no, not for me. And then you meet them and you're like, whoa.
46:59 Speaker 01 For me.
46:59 Speaker 02 For me.
47:00 Speaker 01 Right.
47:00 Speaker 02 Please.
47:01 Speaker 01 Well, that's the issue with dating apps, I think, is that it's sometimes hard to like, just look at someone and be like, yes, no, yes, no, yes.
47:07 Speaker 02 What's your worst?
47:08 Speaker 01 Date story?
47:09 Speaker 02 Date story.
47:10 Speaker 01 Probably the time I went on the date and.
47:12 Speaker 02 Was this denim on denim?
47:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, and he told me.
47:15 Speaker 02 This isn't it.
47:16 Speaker 01 It's not a date because I was just so embarrassed.
47:20 Speaker 02 Okay, but I don't think that's your fault.
47:22 Speaker 01 But I was embarrassed. Like, I was really embarrassed.
47:24 Speaker 02 This is what, this is what makes me very sad, is like when something like that happens, we get embarrassed even though the other person should be embarrassed.
47:32 Speaker 01 Right.
47:33 Speaker 02 Like, yeah, I've been stood up and I was so embarrassed.
47:36 Speaker 01 You've been stood up? No way! Wait, what?
47:40 Speaker 02 But it was an accident.
47:41 Speaker 01 Okay.
47:42 Speaker 02 It was an accident. He fell asleep.
47:44 Speaker 01 Okay.
47:45 Speaker 02 Um, but I was like sitting at a bar waiting, waiting, and I was like, this is the most embarrassing thing. I'll never recover from this.
47:52 Speaker 01 Right.
47:52 Speaker 02 And then I was like, why am I embarrassed? But it's like, it happens, I feel this way also like when people get cheated on and then like you feel embarrassed. And it's like, but why are you embarrassed? The other people should be embarrassed.
48:05 Speaker 01 That's so true. I feel like it's just like a pride thing, maybe.
48:09 Speaker 02 Yeah, or you're like, how did I not catch on to that? But honestly, no, it's the other person's fault. And it is the denim on denim boy that was his fault.
48:16 Speaker 01 But at the time, I was like, did I misread things? And I don't think I did.
48:20 Speaker 02 No, no, no, no, no, no.
48:21 Speaker 01 I really don't think I did.
48:23 Speaker 02 I mean, didn't you meet on a dating app?
48:24 Speaker 01 No, we met at an after party, but it was flirty. Like, I know I'm not crazy.
48:28 Speaker 02 You're not crazy. Also, you're not someone who thinks that everyone's flirting with you.
48:31 Speaker 01 No, I never think people are flirting with you. Ever.
48:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, I don't think that that's...
48:35 Speaker 01 Ever. I'm actually the polar opposite of it, and I have to have someone be like, no, I think they're flirting with you. Yeah, I like you.
48:40 Speaker 02 Yeah.
48:41 Speaker 01 So for me to like, think this, like...
48:44 Speaker 02 No, there had to have been signs.
48:45 Speaker 01 Some vibes, some signs.
48:46 Speaker 02 There had to have been signs.
48:47 Speaker 01 One time, the first date I ever went on, we went on a second date, and he was 40 minutes late. That sucked.
48:53 Speaker 02 But he showed up.
48:54 Speaker 01 He showed up, but it was 40 minutes late. And I was like, this just isn't it for me.
48:58 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's also first date, you should be on best behavior. So if it's already not going well, then like, it's only gonna get worse.
49:05 Speaker 01 But I'm excited to go. I like dating in New York a lot more than I like dating in LA.
49:09 Speaker 02 Well, I think maybe you have more...
49:11 Speaker 01 There's more gay people, maybe, I think.
49:13 Speaker 02 Yeah, more gay people in New York. No, I think that it's just in LA, you tend to only date people who have the same job as you look at me. It's better, it's nice to be, like, there's more options in New York that you're around people who do all different kinds of things.
49:27 Speaker 01 Did you like living in New York when you lived in New York?
49:29 Speaker 02 I loved it. I loved it. I came back when the pandemic happened.
49:33 Speaker 01 That's when you came back.
49:34 Speaker 02 Yeah, I would have honestly stayed. And then I've just been working here, which is really nice. And like, I'm from here, but I would like to go back, I think. But I would never leave you here.
49:42 Speaker 01 Okay, cool.
49:44 Speaker 02 I would never do that. And you can't leave me here.
49:45 Speaker 01 No, I'm not leaving you here. Because I was about to say, LA's about to have a moment.
49:50 Speaker 02 I know.
49:50 Speaker 01 Because it's, it's, it's, stock is low right now. And the best time to invest is when someone's stock is low.
49:56 Speaker 02 Okay.
49:57 Speaker 01 It's true. No, because like I was talking about investments the other day and they were like, the stock market's so bad. But they were like, no, but that's the best time to invest.
50:04 Speaker 02 You buy when it's down. And then, and then.
50:08 Speaker 01 And LA, I just have this gut feeling that like, we're about to get this like resurgence of like, real like, pre pandemic LA.
50:16 Speaker 02 I hope so.
50:17 Speaker 01 I feel it.
50:18 Speaker 02 I'm, I am enjoying it here right now. I like it.
50:20 Speaker 01 I am loving it here.
50:22 Speaker 02 It is really nice.
50:22 Speaker 01 I'm having fun nights.
50:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
50:24 Speaker 01 I drove around.
50:25 Speaker 02 People are out on the streets.
50:26 Speaker 01 Right? I mean, it, well, that one wine bar we go to, it stayed up until three something I am the other day.
50:32 Speaker 02 I know. It's so fun and people are like smoking cigarettes out on the street, which I don't condone. But it just feels like not LA.
50:38 Speaker 01 At all. It felt like New York.
50:40 Speaker 02 Yeah, I know. I really like it.
50:42 Speaker 01 I'm, I see good vibes for it, hopefully.
50:45 Speaker 02 I hope so, because you and I are holding it down here.
50:47 Speaker 01 We are holding it.
50:48 Speaker 02 While everyone leaves.
50:49 Speaker 01 Down.
50:49 Speaker 02 And Will and Charlie.
50:50 Speaker 01 And I don't think Will and Charlie are gonna leave.
50:53 Speaker 02 I don't think so either.
50:54 Speaker 01 Do you think Travis will ever come back?
50:56 Speaker 02 God, I hope so.
50:57 Speaker 01 I think so.
50:58 Speaker 02 I gotta find my husband here so he comes back quick.
51:00 Speaker 01 I know. I know. Do you and Travis ever make like a marriage pact?
51:05 Speaker 02 We, we don't have a marriage pact, but I do see like a domestic partnership where we raise our children in the same, at least vicinity of each other.
51:15 Speaker 01 Right.
51:17 Speaker 02 I, I hope I have a child that's exactly like Travis.
51:20 Speaker 01 Oh.
51:20 Speaker 02 Like, I truly believe that if I have a son that is exactly like Travis, I will be the happiest woman on earth.
51:27 Speaker 01 You need a gay son.
51:28 Speaker 02 I need a gay son.
51:29 Speaker 01 You are like meant to have a gay son.
51:31 Speaker 02 I, I'll be, I'll do everything in my power to make sure I have a gay son.
51:34 Speaker 01 Like you are meant to have a gay son. That's what I say about Louise.
51:38 Speaker 02 I want it so bad. Of course, I'll love my child no matter what their sexual preference is, but I would be very happy with a gay son.
51:45 Speaker 01 I think that's a really big green flag. I always say that.
51:48 Speaker 02 One thing I will say about my relationship with Travis, I don't know if you have this with Will or Charlie, is I'm like, some of the people I've dated have gotten off so easy because most of the things that I would require from a partner, Travis does. Like, he picks me up from the airport.
52:02 Speaker 01 Got it.
52:03 Speaker 02 He's like taking me to doctor's appointments. He's the first person I call with like good or bad news. So I'm like, I kind of have had, I rely on him for more things than my partners usually.
52:13 Speaker 01 Right.
52:13 Speaker 02 But now that he's in New York, we're being forced to have some independence, which is really hard, but I think good for us.
52:18 Speaker 01 Was it sad when he left?
52:21 Speaker 02 Um, it kind of like just happened.
52:24 Speaker 01 I, well, he, cause that's what I felt like too. It wasn't like, like when Julian Payton left, it was a big to do. Like I, we were crying, like pull, I ran after their car, like.
52:35 Speaker 02 Really? Wait, did you actually cry?
52:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, I cried.
52:38 Speaker 02 Was that the first time in a while?
52:40 Speaker 01 In a really long time. I was so sad.
52:42 Speaker 02 Cathartic?
52:42 Speaker 01 Well, I wasn't like sobbing, but I was like, tears were falling.
52:45 Speaker 02 That's great.
52:46 Speaker 01 It felt great.
52:46 Speaker 02 I love crying so much.
52:48 Speaker 01 I was just sad, like, cause I've lived with Julia for four years or three years. So I was like, when you live with someone and they move, it's like, oh my God, what the fuck is happening?
52:57 Speaker 02 No.
52:57 Speaker 01 But you also travel so much.
52:59 Speaker 02 Yeah, I go to New York all the time. I, I also see him all the time. We've done like long stints apart. It's okay, but it was, it was kind of like happened during a very busy time. And then I was in LA with a week of nothing to do. And I was like,
53:13 Speaker 01 Oh, he's not here.
53:14 Speaker 02 I have no other relationships outside of this, but now I have you.
53:18 Speaker 01 Best friends.
53:18 Speaker 02 Best friends.
53:19 Speaker 01 Best friends.
53:19 Speaker 02 Which I think would have happened regardless of Travis date or not. I don't want you to think that you're like the replacement.
53:25 Speaker 01 No, and I don't want you to think you're.
53:27 Speaker 02 It's okay if I am, by the way.
53:28 Speaker 01 It's okay if I am.
53:29 Speaker 02 Those are big shoes to fill.
53:30 Speaker 01 That's how I feel about Travis.
53:33 Speaker 02 We can have all of them in our lives.
53:34 Speaker 01 Exactly.
53:35 Speaker 02 And that's the beautiful thing.
53:36 Speaker 01 Do you want to get into the tell me what's wrongs?
53:38 Speaker 02 Yeah. Are we supposed to do therapist?
53:40 Speaker 01 Oh my God. Sometimes I forget Kyle listens to therapists.
53:43 Speaker 02 No, no, no. You don't understand, Jake, I have listened to every episode at least twice.
53:48 Speaker 01 It's crazy that you, cause she'll know, she just said Nolan. And I was like, wait, how do you know that?
53:53 Speaker 03 Also was shocked by that.
53:54 Speaker 02 Really?
53:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
53:56 Speaker 02 Nolan, I wouldn't forget you after the whole debacle with the last.
53:59 Speaker 01 Oh, I forgot.
54:00 Speaker 02 That's nemesis number one. I would never forget an enemy. No, actually he's my hero. Thank God.
54:05 Speaker 01 So what are you therapist about?
54:06 Speaker 02 I watched Barbarian the other night and I had never seen it. Have you seen it?
54:09 Speaker 01 So good.
54:10 Speaker 02 I'm therapist that more people aren't talking about Justin Long in Barbarian.
54:15 Speaker 01 I love Justin Long.
54:17 Speaker 02 That is the performance of a lifetime.
54:18 Speaker 01 Did you see his cameo in Weapons?
54:20 Speaker 02 Of course, but it didn't mean as much to me because I hadn't seen Barbarian yet.
54:24 Speaker 01 He's amazing, because also-
54:25 Speaker 02 He's so funny.
54:26 Speaker 01 He's so funny and he seems like such a nice guy. So when he plays such an asshole and plays it off well-
54:30 Speaker 02 I know, it's that much more impressive. And when he's was is like down in the basement with the tape measure, getting the square footage-
54:37 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:38 Speaker 02 It's, I was crying laughing. He's so funny. So that's what I'm therapist about.
54:42 Speaker 01 That he didn't get enough credit for Barbarian.
54:44 Speaker 02 No, like the candles should always stay lit for Justin Long. That's how I feel.
54:47 Speaker 01 What else is he in? Was he in like some 2000s rom coms?
54:50 Speaker 02 I think so.
54:51 Speaker 01 Is that where I'm like remembering him from?
54:53 Speaker 03 He was in New Girl.
54:55 Speaker 02 What is it?
54:55 Speaker 01 He was not in New Girl.
54:56 Speaker 02 Yes, he was. Yes, he is. Wait, who is he in New Girl?
54:59 Speaker 03 Uh, Gens- Genslinger?
55:01 Speaker 02 He's, oh, he's the other teacher.
55:03 Speaker 03 Yeah, he's the other teacher.
55:03 Speaker 02 He's like the nerdy teacher on um, the Turkey Dead. He, there's like a Thanksgiving episode and don't they find a dead body?
55:09 Speaker 01 Yes, I've never seen New Girl. I've seen like two episodes. I know, I know, I know.
55:14 Speaker 03 You'd love it.
55:14 Speaker 02 Have to watch it.
55:15 Speaker 01 Have you ever seen Search Party?
55:16 Speaker 02 No, that's Cole, isn't Cole a Skola in that? I need to watch.
55:20 Speaker 01 It is the funniest show I've ever seen.
55:22 Speaker 02 Who else is in Search Party? You don't know. It's okay.
55:24 Speaker 01 I don't know, but it, a really great group of people.
55:27 Speaker 02 I need to watch it.
55:29 Speaker 01 Search Party, have you seen the other two?
55:30 Speaker 02 Yes, you actually told me to watch that.
55:32 Speaker 01 I love the other two.
55:33 Speaker 02 So funny. What are you therapist about?
55:35 Speaker 01 What am I therapist about? Um.
55:39 Speaker 02 A hush falls.
55:40 Speaker 01 Maybe, maybe that I don't know what we're getting for dinner yet.
55:44 Speaker 02 I think we should go to Santo.
55:45 Speaker 01 I want to go to Santo.
55:46 Speaker 02 I think that's what we should do.
55:46 Speaker 01 I want to go to Santo.
55:47 Speaker 02 Let's do that.
55:48 Speaker 01 But I don't want to force Louis to do something that he doesn't want to do.
55:52 Speaker 02 You won't pee.
55:53 Speaker 01 But one time I had sushi from, because one time we were at Seko and they made me sushi at Santo. Do you remember that?
55:58 Speaker 02 That, you worked the room until you got exactly what you wanted and I was so impressed.
56:03 Speaker 01 I came back to the table with a plate of sushi and it was really good, which is why I want it.
56:07 Speaker 02 Eight pieces of sushi and I was like, okay, at midnight.
56:12 Speaker 01 Are you a Hillstone girl?
56:14 Speaker 02 No.
56:14 Speaker 01 Okay, so I notoriously used to hate it and I've fallen in love with it.
56:18 Speaker 02 What do you get there?
56:19 Speaker 01 Salmon Agiri. It's the best salmon Agiri in Los Angeles.
56:21 Speaker 02 At Hillstone?
56:22 Speaker 01 Yep.
56:22 Speaker 02 Really?
56:23 Speaker 01 Yep. You would be shocked.
56:24 Speaker 02 Okay, will you take me?
56:26 Speaker 01 Yes, I will take you. Okay, so she said, "I can't believe you remembered Therapist," no one ever remembers that, not even Julia or them.
56:32 Speaker 02 When I tell you I don't like being in silence because I don't want the thoughts to start creeping in. And so I just listened to Therapist over and over again. And when you released two episodes last week, I was like, "Yes."
56:43 Speaker 01 What did you listen to, Will's?
56:45 Speaker 02 Of course.
56:46 Speaker 01 How good was Will's?
56:47 Speaker 02 You were unwell. I've never seen you like that.
56:50 Speaker 01 I had like, I've never been so hungover and I-
56:54 Speaker 02 What did you do? Was that the night after? Wait, when did you record that?
56:57 Speaker 01 It was the-
56:58 Speaker 02 Was it after we went out and then you went out after we went? No.
57:02 Speaker 01 Yep, it was that night. It was that night.
57:03 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's brave to do an episode the next day.
57:07 Speaker 01 It was that night.
57:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
57:08 Speaker 01 And, um, yeah, I was terrified. I woke up terrified.
57:13 Speaker 02 That's the worst feeling. I haven't had a drink in three weeks and I have to say my anxiety is better and my sleep is better.
57:18 Speaker 01 I'm not drinking this week.
57:20 Speaker 02 Okay.
57:21 Speaker 01 And I feel great.
57:21 Speaker 02 Neither am I.
57:22 Speaker 01 And I feel great.
57:23 Speaker 02 Isn't your sleep better?
57:24 Speaker 01 Yes.
57:25 Speaker 02 I just was like, "Oh, you, everyone wakes up with crippling anxiety." And then I was like, "No, no, that's alcohol, actually turns out."
57:31 Speaker 01 I do miss weed, though. I've been thinking about it a lot.
57:33 Speaker 02 I was quite the stoner and I just-
57:35 Speaker 01 You gave up?
57:36 Speaker 02 I gave up. It didn't, it never agreed with me, but I just thought it will eventually start agreeing with me.
57:41 Speaker 01 Right.
57:41 Speaker 02 It only got worse.
57:42 Speaker 01 I think that's how I felt too.
57:45 Speaker 02 Right, but you can convince your body that it likes it eventually.
57:48 Speaker 01 But it made me creative at points, which I needed.
57:51 Speaker 02 Okay.
57:52 Speaker 01 But I think that was a-
57:52 Speaker 02 But creative in a way where you revisited it and you were like, "That's a terrible idea."
57:56 Speaker 01 Well, I don't know, because when Tucker came on, he was telling me like, "That's what I used to tell myself and it's not true." He's like, "I used to tell myself that it made me more creative, that it made me this, that and the third," and like, it just wasn't true.
58:09 Speaker 02 Wait, you know what else I'm therapist about?
58:11 Speaker 01 What?
58:11 Speaker 02 When you brought up Tucker, you were the original Sally girl. And no one talks about it. You were the original Sally girl. And like Natalie Portman was so cute as Sally. I watched that video so many times.
58:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, she was great.
58:24 Speaker 02 She was amazing, but you were the number one Sally girl.
58:27 Speaker 01 Tucker likes to forget.
58:29 Speaker 02 Don't, I'm not letting anyone forget.
58:30 Speaker 01 Tucker likes to forget. He ranked his favorite Sallys the other day.
58:34 Speaker 02 Stop, were you in there?
58:35 Speaker 01 No!
58:35 Speaker 02 Wait, what was the ranking?
58:36 Speaker 01 I forget.
58:37 Speaker 02 What was the ranking?
58:37 Speaker 01 I forget, but I wasn't in there and I was like, oh, he's, he's, he's just must be good.
58:41 Speaker 02 It must be. He is very funny.
58:43 Speaker 01 He's hysterical.
58:44 Speaker 02 He is funny.
58:44 Speaker 01 He's hysterical.
58:45 Speaker 02 But I think about the fact that you were the original Sally girl.
58:49 Speaker 01 Thank you.
58:49 Speaker 02 You started a big trend.
58:51 Speaker 01 Thank, you know what, I think about it.
58:52 Speaker 02 Natalie Portman is following in your footsteps.
58:53 Speaker 01 I think about it a lot too. I, if, I'd be lying if I say I did, if I said I didn't and I, I do think about it all the time.
58:59 Speaker 02 I would think about it all the time.
59:00 Speaker 01 I was like, damn, like, I did that.
59:02 Speaker 02 Where, where was the concert? Where were you on stage?
59:04 Speaker 01 It was in Dallas and it was right after my show in Dallas and I went to go see him and he, he wanted to, he has a song called Slut Interlude and he wanted to bring me on and dance around me like one, one less lonely girl. And so I was like, oh, that sounds great.
59:17 Speaker 02 Yeah.
59:18 Speaker 01 But then he was like, no, actually come on for Sally and like, jump around. And I was like, ooh, that feels anxiety inducing. So that's why I was on for so short, cause I went on and I was like, oh, I can't do this anymore. And I jumped off. Cause it was scary. No one had done it before.
59:31 Speaker 02 I haven't been asked yet, so.
59:32 Speaker 01 You haven't?
59:33 Speaker 02 No.
59:34 Speaker 01 You would make a great Sally.
59:35 Speaker 02 Thank you, I think so too. The offer hasn't come in yet, but it'll, it'll come eventually.
59:39 Speaker 01 It'll come.
59:40 Speaker 02 He's done with tour. It's never happening again, by the way.
59:42 Speaker 01 Going on tour again.
59:43 Speaker 02 What if we were Sallys together?
59:46 Speaker 01 Don't play with me. Should we?
59:47 Speaker 02 Yes.
59:48 Speaker 01 Should we see if he's coming here anytime soon? Yes, just coming on our Lola's, jumping around to Sally.
59:52 Speaker 02 Naked with a Lola.
59:53 Speaker 01 It's low key really scary. At least for me it was, but now I don't know if it is, cause people know what to do.
59:58 Speaker 02 Let's get into the Tommy Wood songs.
1:00:00 Speaker 01 So my boyfriend is leaving for college, nine hours away, and we are staying together and doing long distance. When I was saying goodbye and helping him pack up, I found a pack, I found a box of condoms in his bag. I'm not going with him. We've been together for a year and have done long distance before. Should I kill him or tread lightly?
1:00:18 Speaker 02 Okay. Should I take it?
1:00:21 Speaker 01 I mean, you know I can't.
1:00:22 Speaker 02 Unfortunately, unfortunately, I think I should take this one.
1:00:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:00:25 Speaker 02 I think I'm in a first play devil's advocate and then I'm gonna decimate his character.
1:00:30 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:00:31 Speaker 02 So I think there's a world where he was bringing them with him so that when she comes to visit, he has condoms, unless they don't use a condom and in that case, run.
1:00:42 Speaker 01 Right.
1:00:42 Speaker 02 What I will say is if there is any suspicion of cheating, leave. Go. Like, that's enough. There's this, there's this like wonderful column called Dear Sugar and when I was in a similar situation, my friend showed me this advice column and there's this thing, there's this like kind of poem that she wrote where she's like, "Go because you want to because wanting to leave is enough."
1:01:10 Speaker 01 One more time?
1:01:12 Speaker 02 I thought you were so moved by it that you had to take a moment of silence.
1:01:14 Speaker 01 I picked up on it for a second and then, okay, so go because you want to.
1:01:17 Speaker 02 So in it, she's like, "Go even though you love him. Go even though he's your best friend and you're his." And then the end is, "Go because you want to because wanting to leave is enough." Like, I don't think, I think that's enough proof for this person.
1:01:31 Speaker 01 Right. Like, if you feel it, your instinct is usually right.
1:01:34 Speaker 02 If you feel it, like, don't second guess your intuition.
1:01:37 Speaker 01 So leave.
1:01:38 Speaker 02 Leave.
1:01:39 Speaker 01 I mean, yeah. If he's bringing a pack of condoms and you're nine hours away.
1:01:44 Speaker 02 There's no reason for him to have that.
1:01:47 Speaker 02 You know what I prescribed?
1:01:48 Speaker 01 What?
1:01:48 Speaker 02 The other woman.
1:01:49 Speaker 01 Ah!
1:01:51 Speaker 02 It's a great movie.
1:01:52 Speaker 01 I love you so much.
1:01:53 Speaker 02 I love you!
1:01:54 Speaker 01 You know that's my favorite prescription to give.
1:01:56 Speaker 02 Really?
1:01:57 Speaker 01 Yes!
1:01:57 Speaker 02 Leslie Mann should have gotten an Oscar for that movie.
1:02:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, Nicki Minaj too. Nicki Minaj too.
1:02:03 Speaker 02 Put Nicki Minaj in more movies, honestly.
1:02:05 Speaker 01 She's a theater kid. She's LaGuardia kid.
1:02:08 Speaker 02 Is she?
1:02:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, she went to LaGuardia. All the greats go to LaGuardia.
1:02:11 Speaker 02 Nicki Minaj went to LaGuardia?
1:02:12 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:02:12 Speaker 02 Who else went to LaGuardia?
1:02:13 Speaker 01 Uh, Sombra went to LaGuardia, Azalea Banks went to LaGuardia.
1:02:16 Speaker 02 Wait, this is an insane roster.
1:02:19 Speaker 01 Um, who else? Timothy Chalamet went to LaGuardia, right? Did I make that up? I think I might have made that up. No, I didn't make that up.
1:02:25 Speaker 02 No, I think he...
1:02:27 Speaker 01 No, he went to LaGuardia!
1:02:28 Speaker 02 Did he?
1:02:28 Speaker 01 He went to LaGuardia.
1:02:29 Speaker 03 I'll fact check.
1:02:30 Speaker 02 Gail Nolan.
1:02:31 Speaker 01 Will you get me a list of people that went to LaGuardia? Cause it is extensive.
1:02:34 Speaker 02 But you didn't, where did you go? You went to school in the city?
1:02:36 Speaker 01 I went to school in the city. I went to the school called Calhoun.
1:02:38 Speaker 02 Calhoun?
1:02:39 Speaker 01 And it was like, we had no walls.
1:02:41 Speaker 02 It sounds like an improv troupe.
1:02:43 Speaker 01 I think it was an improv school.
1:02:45 Speaker 02 Like it felt like everyone was improvising?
1:02:47 Speaker 01 No, it felt like
1:02:48 Speaker 02 Like they didn't really know what they were doing.
1:02:50 Speaker 01 No, yes.
1:02:50 Speaker 02 Okay, great. Did you call your teachers by their first names?
1:02:52 Speaker 01 Yeah, of course.
1:02:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:02:53 Speaker 03 Timothy Chalamet did go to LaGuardia.
1:02:55 Speaker 02 Ah!
1:02:55 Speaker 03 Michael Shea, Zazie Beetz, Awkwafina, Jennifer Aniston.
1:02:59 Speaker 01 Ooh.
1:03:00 Speaker 03 Lots of people. Ansel Elgort.
1:03:02 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
1:03:02 Speaker 02 Oh.
1:03:03 Speaker 03 Omar Epps.
1:03:05 Speaker 01 I don't know.
1:03:05 Speaker 03 I, I-
1:03:06 Speaker 02 I don't know.
1:03:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:03:08 Speaker 03 Al Pacino.
1:03:09 Speaker 01 Oh, wow. Wow.
1:03:11 Speaker 02 Wow.
1:03:12 Speaker 01 I was just diagnosed with, you know what I would prescribe, actually? Leave, Get Out by JoJo.
1:03:16 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:03:17 Speaker 01 Mm-hmm.
1:03:17 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:03:18 Speaker 01 I was just diagnosed with OCD at the age of 37. It feels so strange that many of my patterns and behaviors had had a connection for the entirety of my life so far. Nothing's terribly wrong, but I just feel strange with this new information. What tips or tricks do you have post-diagnosis of something like this?
1:03:34 Speaker 02 You're diagnosed with OCD?
1:03:36 Speaker 01 Yes. I, I, I knew though, like since I was seven.
1:03:40 Speaker 02 Yeah, I've never been diagnosed, but I, I exhibit all the behaviors.
1:03:44 Speaker 01 Right.
1:03:44 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:03:45 Speaker 01 I think if anything, it should give you some peace that like, you're like, okay, that makes sense. Maybe this person feels frustrated that they didn't catch it sooner, but like-
1:03:54 Speaker 02 Yeah, but I think like, take the information- Yeah, take the information and like, at least now you have context for it.
1:04:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, and there's things to help you. I'm restarting exposure therapy soon.
1:04:04 Speaker 02 What do you do in exposure therapy?
1:04:05 Speaker 01 So like, I have a hard time, I used to have a hard time adding songs to a playlist.
1:04:10 Speaker 02 Why?
1:04:10 Speaker 01 It sounds really silly, but I used to have to add it four times.
1:04:14 Speaker 02 Add it, delete it, add it, delete it, add it. Yeah, yeah.
1:04:16 Speaker 01 And so like, for example, during exposure therapy, they would just have me add it and I'd have to sit there in the uncomfortability and like, have it be added, which sounds so stupid.
1:04:25 Speaker 02 No, it doesn't.
1:04:26 Speaker 01 It was really hard.
1:04:27 Speaker 02 Cause I was like, now I just knock on wood, but it, I feel like if I talk about it, it's gonna come back, but it's fine.
1:04:31 Speaker 01 Honestly-
1:04:32 Speaker 02 Or am I gonna give it to you?
1:04:33 Speaker 01 I, that's what I'm scared about.
1:04:35 Speaker 02 I just used to have to say something if I thought a bad thought. But then saying it once wasn't enough, so I had to do it three times.
1:04:41 Speaker 01 Oh, I've done that.
1:04:42 Speaker 02 And then I had to do it three times, three times.
1:04:43 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:04:43 Speaker 02 And it was just very consuming, time-consuming.
1:04:45 Speaker 01 So like in exposure therapy, they'd have you think that bad thought and then not say that?
1:04:49 Speaker 02 Ooh.
1:04:49 Speaker 01 And it's scary, but it's-
1:04:50 Speaker 02 But it's helpful?
1:04:51 Speaker 01 The most helpful therapy I've ever done in my entire life.
1:04:53 Speaker 02 Amazing.
1:04:54 Speaker 01 Ever in my entire life. It changed my life.
1:04:55 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:04:56 Speaker 01 And I stopped too soon, but I'm gonna restart it soon. I'm excited.
1:04:59 Speaker 02 Great.
1:05:00 Speaker 01 One of the participants in a throuple I'm a part of just got pregnant.
1:05:06 Speaker 01 Me and the other participant, if you will, are now torn on whether or not we want to find out who the father is. Wait.
1:05:14 Speaker 02 Wait, so two, two boys, one woman?
1:05:17 Speaker 01 I'm on the side of clarity while the other guy doesn't want to know and wants to just raise the kid all together. What do you think we should do?
1:05:23 Speaker 02 Oh, no.
1:05:25 Speaker 01 I don't know.
1:05:26 Speaker 02 I don't know.
1:05:27 Speaker 01 I don't know. I don't know. Oh, I would watch Mamma Mia.
1:05:32 Speaker 02 Oh. One or two?
1:05:35 Speaker 01 One. Two?
1:05:36 Speaker 02 That's...
1:05:37 Speaker 01 Both?
1:05:37 Speaker 02 Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Think about the kid. What do you think the kid will want? What's best for the child?
1:05:46 Speaker 01 I think when the kid comes out, you'll know who the father is.
1:05:49 Speaker 02 True.
1:05:50 Speaker 01 You will know.
1:05:51 Speaker 02 That's true.
1:05:51 Speaker 01 You will know.
1:05:52 Speaker 02 Yeah, that's tough.
1:05:54 Speaker 01 My boyfriend just got a pet snake and is obsessed with it and I'm not even kidding. It's affecting my ability to finish with him in bed. Like, how do I suck up the ick? Because that doesn't even make any sense. Help.
1:06:07 Speaker 01 I think she's icked out that her boyfriend got a snake. Oh, I would think that is so sweet.
1:06:11 Speaker 02 I would find it so... Like, I'm like, if you have a pet rat, absolutely.
1:06:15 Speaker 01 What? A rat?
1:06:17 Speaker 02 I love a weird animal.
1:06:18 Speaker 01 Okay, okay.
1:06:19 Speaker 02 I mean, I had a pet squirrel for a while.
1:06:22 Speaker 01 I didn't know you could domesticate those.
1:06:25 Speaker 02 You can't. It was a biter, Banjo.
1:06:27 Speaker 01 Okay, what, was this when you grew up?
1:06:31 Speaker 02 It was not as long ago as I wish it was. It was like four years ago.
1:06:34 Speaker 01 And how did you have Banjo?
1:06:38 Speaker 02 Uh, Banjo was a sugar glider. Banjo and Turbo was a brother and sister.
1:06:42 Speaker 01 And where did you find Banjo and Turbo?
1:06:44 Speaker 02 Nashville.
1:06:45 Speaker 01 Like, in the wild?
1:06:46 Speaker 02 No, no, no, no. They were, they were pets, but you can't really domesticate them. They're nocturnal. I'm just the wrong person for this because I love weird animals.
1:06:55 Speaker 01 Right.
1:06:55 Speaker 02 But I do think that I am like the person who has like the longest ick list ever, but I do think if you actually like someone, icks don't really apply.
1:07:05 Speaker 01 I, you've told me that before. And I think you're correct.
1:07:09 Speaker 02 Let yourself be surprised because sometimes an ick is just that you're over the person.
1:07:14 Speaker 01 And like, you're looking for any reason.
1:07:16 Speaker 02 Because I think if you were madly in love with someone and they got a snake, you'd be like, oh.
1:07:19 Speaker 01 They got a snake.
1:07:20 Speaker 02 That's so endearing.
1:07:20 Speaker 01 I think it's sweet. I love when like, boys get nerdy about that stuff.
1:07:23 Speaker 02 I know. What do we prescribe? Is there like a?
1:07:26 Speaker 01 Snakes on a plane.
1:07:28 Speaker 02 That's, that movie gave me nightmares.
1:07:30 Speaker 01 I've never seen it, but I prescribe it. Is it good?
1:07:32 Speaker 02 I couldn't fly for so long. There's a scene where a snake comes up from the toilet.
1:07:37 Speaker 01 What?
1:07:37 Speaker 02 And I literally couldn't use the bathroom on a plane for the longest time because I was like, the snake's gonna come and bite me.
1:07:43 Speaker 01 Sorry, now that we're talking about movies again, you need to watch Scandal. And I know that it's a TV show. I'm just like thinking about how you haven't seen it and it is so mind blowing to me. Like, do you like soap operas?
1:07:54 Speaker 02 I don't know if I've really watched. I mean, I watched Grey's Anatomy.
1:07:57 Speaker 01 Oh, what? You would love Scandal. Oh my God, it's the best. It's made by the same person. I prom- do you like Grey's Anatomy?
1:08:03 Speaker 02 Oh, is it Shonda Land? Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Sorry.
1:08:07 Speaker 01 And you know what? Dare I say Scandal is better than Grey's Anatomy?
1:08:10 Speaker 02 Well, careful. Because Carrie.
1:08:12 Speaker 01 No.
1:08:12 Speaker 02 Careful.
1:08:13 Speaker 01 I'm telling you it's better. It changed.
1:08:16 Speaker 02 Is there a musical episode of Scandal? Because there is in Grey's Anatomy.
1:08:18 Speaker 01 No, there's not, but the music, the needle drops in Scandal are all like jazz songs. No, and they're so good.
1:08:25 Speaker 02 Okay, okay.
1:08:25 Speaker 01 Like, there's one scene where they're like, you know, okay, do you know like the premise of the show? It's like the president and Olivia are like
1:08:33 Speaker 01 in love, right? Like, you know that, right?
1:08:35 Speaker 02 They're in love or they're having just like a sexual affair?
1:08:37 Speaker 01 Like a torrid affair.
1:08:38 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:08:39 Speaker 01 And there's a scene that's so heated with them.
1:08:41 Speaker 02 Did you learn torrid affair from Taylor Swift?
1:08:43 Speaker 01 Yeah. I did. I fucking did.
1:08:46 Speaker 02 Incredible.
1:08:47 Speaker 01 Um, there's a scene where like he's like,
1:08:51 Speaker 01 like, watch me earn you. Like, watch me choose you. And what's the song playing in the background of it? It's like, I think it's Sam Cooke's Nothing Can Change This Love.
1:09:00 Speaker 02 Nolan just.
1:09:01 Speaker 01 Like, my nipples are hard. Like, it, seriously, like.
1:09:04 Speaker 02 Mine too, kind of.
1:09:04 Speaker 01 Like, and they played the most beautiful rendition of Bridge Over Troubled Water the other day. No, it's amazing.
1:09:10 Speaker 02 Okay, okay.
1:09:10 Speaker 01 It's amazing.
1:09:11 Speaker 02 You love a needle drop. You love, you love, you love.
1:09:13 Speaker 01 More than anything. And I'll tell you my favorites right now, if you would really like to know. Girl, season one, episode three, Robin dancing on my own.
1:09:20 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, yeah. What about, okay, there's a really good Fiona Apple song, Valentine, in Girls When They're All Dancing.
1:09:26 Speaker 01 You know, I've never really listened to Fiona Apple, and I know I need to. I know I need to.
1:09:31 Speaker 02 We have, it's okay.
1:09:32 Speaker 01 I know, I know I need to. I know she's like, one of the greatest of all time.
1:09:35 Speaker 02 She is, and I think especially like, the girls that you love now are all influenced by Fiona Apple.
1:09:40 Speaker 01 Right, I'm going to.
1:09:42 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:09:42 Speaker 01 Do you have a favorite needle drop?
1:09:44 Speaker 02 No. Should I?
1:09:46 Speaker 01 No.
1:09:47 Speaker 02 I can't, I don't, I mean, no, I don't.
1:09:49 Speaker 01 You never watched Mr. Robot, right?
1:09:50 Speaker 02 No, you've been telling me.
1:09:51 Speaker 01 There's a scene in Mr. Robot, he's in season three, I think it's season three, episode seven.
1:09:55 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
1:09:56 Speaker 01 And they have this song called "In Time" by Robbie Robb. And, um, one of my favorite needle drops I've ever heard in my life. Also, Crowded Places by Banks in Girls was amazing.
1:10:08 Speaker 02 Oh, wait, isn't 212 in the Bling Ring?
1:10:10 Speaker 01 Yeah, iconic.
1:10:11 Speaker 02 Iconic.
1:10:11 Speaker 01 Iconic.
1:10:12 Speaker 02 Also, this isn't a needle drop, but there's, uh, in the movie The Skeleton Twins, have you seen this?
1:10:17 Speaker 01 No.
1:10:17 Speaker 02 Oh, Bill Hader and Kristen Wiig, my two favorite people in the whole world.
1:10:21 Speaker 01 Wait, I've heard of this movie, what is it about?
1:10:23 Speaker 02 You will love it. They're twins, and he tries to take his own life, and then moves back in with her. And it's like, when she still lives in their hometown, and like, he revisits this teacher that he had an affair with when he was a student. And it's like devastating and so funny, and they're just so electric in it.
1:10:40 Speaker 01 I love when comedians play drama.
1:10:41 Speaker 02 Oh, my gosh, it's, it's so good. They're both such great actors, and there's a scene where they sing, uh, they, fuck, what is the song? Oh, Nancy, we're crazy. Na na na na, oh my god, we can build this, whatever.
1:10:58 Speaker 01 We can build this world together, nothing's gonna stop us.
1:11:03 Speaker 02 I think it is that song. Whatever, it's really, really good, and that's one of my favorite musical numbers in a movie of all time.
1:11:11 Speaker 01 Also, what's the one in Grey's Anatomy when Katherine Heigl is running after Danny?
1:11:16 Speaker 02 Is it How to Save a Life?
1:11:17 Speaker 01 Yeah, no, it's, uh, Chasing Cars.
1:11:20 Speaker 02 Oh, those, to me, feel like the same song.
1:11:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, for sure.
1:11:24 Speaker 02 Are they both the Fray?
1:11:25 Speaker 01 No, ones.
1:11:28 Speaker 02 Nolan, you would know this.
1:11:29 Speaker 03 It's chasing cars.
1:11:30 Speaker 01 Snow Patrol.
1:11:31 Speaker 03 Snow Patrol.
1:11:31 Speaker 02 Snow Patrol and how to save a life is the prey.
1:11:34 Speaker 01 And then I'm trying to think of like other, like I'm just like a whore for a good needle drop. Oh, the finale of, have you ever seen The Hills?
1:11:41 Speaker 02 No.
1:11:41 Speaker 01 They do an acoustic version of Unwritten in the finale of The Hills. It's amazing.
1:11:45 Speaker 02 Oh, um, the OC when they play, uh, the Imogen Heap song.
1:11:49 Speaker 01 Oh, what? Uh, the, yeah, hide and seek. I've never seen OC, but I know that scene.
1:11:54 Speaker 02 Wait, is it the Imogen Heap song? Or no, no, no, they play Hallelujah.
1:11:58 Speaker 01 No, and they do the Imogen Heap song. You were right.
1:12:00 Speaker 02 It's so good.
1:12:01 Speaker 01 I love Hallelujah. It's only versions. My boyfriend.
1:12:06 Speaker 02 I love Hallelujah.
1:12:07 Speaker 01 My boyfriend of over a year is slash was kinda addicted to weed. He recently claimed to quit for me, but one of our mutuals told me he smokes a lot behind my back. What do I do?
1:12:17 Speaker 02 The problem, oh, hi Emily. The problem is not the weed smoking. The problem is the lying.
1:12:25 Speaker 01 Jinx. Yeah.
1:12:26 Speaker 02 Jinx.
1:12:27 Speaker 01 I agree. And also like quitting for someone I've never, that doesn't, like when I quit weed, I quit for myself.
1:12:34 Speaker 02 You can't quit for someone else. It's, you resent them and then it's too much pressure. You have to choose for yourself. So if he quit for you, that's like, he didn't really want to.
1:12:42 Speaker 01 He didn't really quit either.
1:12:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:12:43 Speaker 01 Have you ever seen the show Dope Sick?
1:12:45 Speaker 02 Yes, with Caitlyn who you had on, who I love.
1:12:48 Speaker 01 Changed my life.
1:12:49 Speaker 02 It's, that show is so upsetting.
1:12:51 Speaker 01 So upsetting.
1:12:52 Speaker 02 Have you seen Birdman?
1:12:53 Speaker 01 No. Is that the one that was like shot in one shot or something?
1:12:57 Speaker 02 Oh my God, it's so good.
1:12:58 Speaker 01 Is he in it?
1:12:59 Speaker 02 Yes, he's, he's the Birdman.
1:13:01 Speaker 01 Okay, got it.
1:13:01 Speaker 02 Hey, it is Birdman.
1:13:02 Speaker 01 I'll give it a watch.
1:13:03 Speaker 02 Um, also in the same, this is not to compare opioids and weed, but warning this drug may kill you.
1:13:10 Speaker 01 Oh, I've never seen that. What's that about?
1:13:12 Speaker 02 It's so sad. It's about the opioid epidemic in the US. Just to bring the mood down a little bit.
1:13:17 Speaker 01 Right.
1:13:17 Speaker 02 Um, but it's really good.
1:13:18 Speaker 01 Is it a documentary or a movie?
1:13:19 Speaker 02 Documentary.
1:13:20 Speaker 01 Okay. Oh, interesting. I'm gonna watch it.
1:13:21 Speaker 02 Yeah, watch it.
1:13:22 Speaker 01 I used to watch like so many documentaries about that. It was like a weird.
1:13:26 Speaker 02 I was going through a weird time.
1:13:28 Speaker 01 I have this almost strange supernatural ability that almost every single curb, wet floor or slushy is. What? I don't understand this one and it's giving you OCD and I can't.
1:13:39 Speaker 02 Okay.
1:13:40 Speaker 01 She's saying that like she trips on everything.
1:13:43 Speaker 02 So do I.
1:13:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, like, wait, I think, hold on.
1:13:46 Speaker 02 What's the problem?
1:13:46 Speaker 03 Yeah, that is what she's saying.
1:13:48 Speaker 01 That is what she's saying?
1:13:48 Speaker 03 Yeah. She's like, how do I deal with embarrassment? Not the fact, the problem is.
1:13:52 Speaker 02 Oh, I have a good one for this.
1:13:54 Speaker 01 Okay, should I finish reading it?
1:13:55 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:13:56 Speaker 01 Okay, just to give her the floor.
1:13:58 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:13:58 Speaker 01 I have this almost strange supernatural ability that almost every single curb, wet floor, slushy, is either being tripped or on or tripped into. Like, I am the clumsiest bitch in America, it has nothing to do with anything, eyesight, contacts, mentality, mentally, sorry, and I just have to do with me having zero spatial awareness. It ruined graduation, it's ruining dates, and everybody finds it funny, but like, I'm so sick of it. I might be hopeless, but please help.
1:14:21 Speaker 02 Okay, this is not a real problem.
1:14:23 Speaker 01 Right?
1:14:24 Speaker 02 It's not a real problem. Everyone trips all the time. It is embarrassing to trip when you're not with friends, because you know people saw, but here's, this is what I do. If I trip, I just look at the nearest person and I say, are you okay?
1:14:36 Speaker 01 Do you really do that?
1:14:37 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:14:39 Speaker 01 And are they like, what?
1:14:40 Speaker 02 It just confuses them.
1:14:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:14:42 Speaker 02 And then it like, gets the attention off you. So if you trip, just look at the person next to you, go, are you okay?
1:14:46 Speaker 01 Are you the type of person where if someone's arguing with you and they say something really mean, do you go, what did you say? So they have to repeat what they've said?
1:14:53 Speaker 02 That's a really good tactic. No.
1:14:54 Speaker 01 I've never, I just feel like you would be emotionally intelligent enough to do that.
1:14:58 Speaker 02 I do a version of that on set sometimes, like if someone asks me to do a pose that I don't want to do, I'm totally outing myself, but no one that I work with is probably going to listen to this, I think it's okay, where if they're like, can you do this pose? I go, I don't understand, can you show me? And then they try to do it and they're like, oh, never mind.
1:15:17 Speaker 01 Because it's weird.
1:15:18 Speaker 02 Because it's weird.
1:15:18 Speaker 01 Right.
1:15:19 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:15:20 Speaker 01 Kyle, what did we learn today?
1:15:21 Speaker 02 Oh my god, it happened so fast.
1:15:23 Speaker 01 This was amazing.
1:15:25 Speaker 02 It was so fun.
1:15:26 Speaker 01 Dare I say, one of the best.
1:15:27 Speaker 02 Stop.
1:15:28 Speaker 03 It was so good.
1:15:28 Speaker 01 Oh, Nolan never says that.
1:15:30 Speaker 02 You have to say that, Nolan.
1:15:31 Speaker 03 I don't, I don't have to.
1:15:32 Speaker 02 Nolan, have you ever, have you been nervous in front of anyone?
1:15:35 Speaker 01 Yeah, who have you been nervous in front of?
1:15:37 Speaker 03 Benny Blanco, because I'm a huge fan.
1:15:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:15:40 Speaker 03 Charlie.
1:15:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, I was nervous in front of Charlie too.
1:15:42 Speaker 02 Ex-CX.
1:15:43 Speaker 03 Ed Sheeran.
1:15:43 Speaker 02 Ed Sheeran's my favorite.
1:15:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, I love Ed Sheeran.
1:15:45 Speaker 03 I just love him, he's amazing.
1:15:47 Speaker 01 Well, that was.
1:15:47 Speaker 02 That episode is so funny.
1:15:48 Speaker 01 That was the first house call we ever made, that was like, the first of.
1:15:52 Speaker 03 First, when we did Tate McRae for the first time, like that, we had done two episodes with Friends.
1:15:57 Speaker 01 Oh yeah, I was nervous for that.
1:15:59 Speaker 03 I was like, shitting bricks.
1:16:00 Speaker 02 And Glenn Powell was one of the first.
1:16:02 Speaker 01 I was nervous for Glenn, even though I love Glenn, but I was nervous because he was the first actor, I think he was the first actor we had on.
1:16:06 Speaker 03 Oh yeah.
1:16:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:16:07 Speaker 01 So I was nervous. Well, besides Renee, but like, Renee was promoting music, he was promoting a movie.
1:16:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:16:12 Speaker 01 So what did we learn today?
1:16:14 Speaker 02 I learned that your husband's gonna love you so much.
1:16:19 Speaker 01 Thank you.
1:16:19 Speaker 02 He's not gonna love you as much as I love you, but he's out there. There's time for you to find your husband. That's what I learned. I learned that I have to watch Scandal.
1:16:29 Speaker 01 You need to watch Scandal. And I learned that I have to watch Birdman and I also have to watch Blonde.
1:16:35 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:16:35 Speaker 01 And I have to read the charts.
1:16:37 Speaker 02 Please.
1:16:37 Speaker 01 Which I already knew I was gonna read, but you've sold it on me.
1:16:40 Speaker 02 If it, I wouldn't recommend you a book that I didn't think you'd like, because I don't need you to hate reading any more than you already do, but I think you'll love it.
1:16:46 Speaker 01 Have you ever read A Little Life?
1:16:48 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:16:48 Speaker 01 Is it as sad as people say it is?
1:16:50 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:16:50 Speaker 01 Okay, I need to read it.
1:16:51 Speaker 02 You're reading that book and you go, can't get, things can't get worse.
1:16:54 Speaker 01 That's what everyone says!
1:16:55 Speaker 02 And then they do. And there was, I was sitting at the pool the other day and the woman next to me was reading it and she was about halfway through and I literally looked at her and I go, "You have no idea what's coming for you." She was like, "La la la, la la la." And then I was just like, "You're about to get wrecked."
1:17:09 Speaker 01 Will just read it, right?
1:17:11 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:17:12 Speaker 01 Got it.
1:17:12 Speaker 02 Oh, where's Will? We should invite him tonight.
1:17:14 Speaker 01 We should invite him tonight.
1:17:15 Speaker 02 Yeah, double date. That's perfect. It's gorgeous.
1:17:18 Speaker 01 Well.
1:17:18 Speaker 02 What did you learn?
1:17:19 Speaker 01 Oh, you know what? You just might be my favorite guest ever!
1:17:22 Speaker 02 Don't say that to me!
1:17:23 Speaker 01 What did I learn? I learned...
1:17:28 Speaker 02 I'm glad I was so impactful.
1:17:29 Speaker 01 No, I learned, I learned, um, fuck, no, there was something you said that really...
1:17:37 Speaker 02 That just...
1:17:37 Speaker 01 Oh, oh, I learned that reading is a muscle.
1:17:40 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:17:41 Speaker 01 And that you have to practice. You're not just good at reading.
1:17:43 Speaker 02 Yes. And to date your friends, if you can.
1:17:45 Speaker 01 Date your friends.
1:17:46 Speaker 02 If you can.
1:17:48 Speaker 01 And, yeah. And I love you.
1:17:51 Speaker 02 And I'm not mad at you.
1:17:52 Speaker 01 And you're not mad at me. And I'm not mad at you.
1:17:54 Speaker 02 Thank you so much. I was waiting for that. Thank you.
1:17:56 Speaker 01 I love you.
1:17:56 Speaker 02 I love you.
1:17:57 Speaker 01 Do you want to give a little bye pussies?
1:17:58 Speaker 02 Where do I look? There? Where?
1:18:00 Speaker 01 Right there.
1:18:01 Speaker 02 Where? Oh, bye pussies.
1:18:04 Speaker 01 Yay!
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