Session 146: Troye Sivan

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• 0:02Speaker 00

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• 0:42Speaker 01

  Hi pussies. Tonight, we have on probably one of my favorite musicians in the entire world. His forthcoming album, She's the Best, is coming October 9th. Please give a warm welcome to the king, Troye Sivan.

• 0:57Speaker 02

  Thank you very much. Is that true?

• 0:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:00Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:02Speaker 02

  I feel like I didn't know that about you.

• 1:03Speaker 01

  You know what I was listening to of yours the other day was Raised Teenager.

• 1:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07Speaker 01

  So good.

• 1:08Speaker 02

  Thank you. That was like my little COVID baby EP.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  I was about to say, is, um, what's it called on that EP? Is it Can't Stop Thinking About You?

• 1:16Speaker 02

  I could cry just thinking about you.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18Speaker 01

  I love that song.

• 1:19Speaker 02

  Thank you. That was like, I was so depressed. That was crazy. I was like going through a breakup and then COVID hit. And I like panicked and made that EP. And I'm really happy with it, but like, it just is such a weird time in my life. Like, when I think back about it, I'm like, whoa.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  Do you feel that way about other albums?

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah, like, if I had to sum them up, Blue Neighborhood is like, I'm like, young and gay and like figuring shit out and I have like no idea how to make music. But that's like kind of charming. That's the first one. Second one, I'm like so in love, like amazing love vibes. That EP, Depressed COVID, Something to Give Each Other was like, COVID was coming out and I was like going fucking mental and like partying heaps. And it was a really fun time in my life. And now this one is like kind of back to depresso mode a little bit.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  You, this one?

• 2:19Speaker 02

  This one, well, I mean, like, it's weird because, okay, so the album basically is like, it kind of like starts in my head, like story-wise, on tour, like on sweat tour.

• 2:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  And so there's these like songs in the album that are like crazy and kind of like irreverent and whatever. And I'm like, you know, party and party and whatever. And like, um, like some of the songs, I'm like, oh, I can't wait to play this live in a way where like, I've got the dancers and da, da, da, da, da. But then also like the truth of my life at that time was that I was like, and I still kind of am in this place where I'm like, oh my God, I'm like actually really lonely. And so I was like, I'm not gonna fight that. I'm gonna write that as well. Cause both of these things are like true. And then, um, yeah, so now it's this sort of like, it kind of sums up like my whole life at the moment where it's like, yeah, things are awesome in a lot of respects and I'm like loving my life in so many ways.

• 3:12Speaker 02

  But then there's this like deep, like longing, you know?

• 3:16Speaker 01

  When do you feel the most lonely?

• 3:20Speaker 02

  I think like travel days.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  Like long flights and airports and like hotels. Um, that's always like a huge one for me.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  You have like a lot of songs about like, long distance or like talking to someone and not being with them. Is that because of tour and like your lifestyle?

• 3:39Speaker 02

  I think so, yeah. Like I really, like, I mean, I've done a lot of long distance, but then also just like, I think in a, at a certain point, it also kind of became a crutch where like I would be like, well, I can't really make myself like vulnerable to this person because I'm leaving in like a week. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know how you feel about traveling with like dating and stuff, but.

• 3:59Speaker 01

  It's just hard because it's like, well, I'm going on a date with you and then I like you, but now I'm leaving.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:05Speaker 01

  So it's like, but you find a lot of romance in the long distance. Like a lot of your long distance songs are very romantic to me.

• 4:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, also the weird thing about this album is that like a lot of it is written to this like boy, like Le Boy, for example, on one of the songs on the album. It's like this imaginary man that I don't know who he is.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  Oh, it's not based on anyone?

• 4:27Speaker 02

  Like not anyone specific, you know what I mean? It's like even a song like FF, which is like this like, undying love song or whatever. It's kind of pathetic because I'm like writing it about this like, guy I made up in my head.

• 4:39Speaker 01

  When you start to date someone, do you like envision your entire life with them? And like make up this whole thing?

• 4:46Speaker 02

  Kind of, yeah. But I also think I, I think that a problem for me has been,

• 4:54Speaker 02

  I think when you get too comfortable being single. I think like when I first was going through my breakup, I was like, okay, I promised myself I'm gonna be single for a year. And in the beginning, that felt difficult to like stay single. And now I can't relate to that at all. And I'm like, oh, maybe I've taken it too far. Where like now I'm really in my, um, like single bag in a way where I don't know how to like, connect in that way anymore. You know what I mean?

• 5:18Speaker 01

  Do you miss being in a relationship?

• 5:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:22Speaker 01

  Well, for those that don't know, I took it too far last night. I took it too far and I took it too far because when I saw you out and you were drinking, I was like, well, oh, if Troy's drinking, then it's fine.

• 5:32Speaker 02

  I thought the exact same thing when I saw you. I was like, oh, he's so chill about the podcast. I can be chill about the podcast. Yeah.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  I, too far. Did you go home after Peoples?

• 5:42Speaker 02

  I went home after Peoples. That was a good choice, I think.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. See, that's what my choice should have been.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  Well, it was already like, by the time it was 2:30 and then you went out.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  I went, okay, so One Oak reopened for like one night only in New York. And I like love the club. Like the club is my favorite place in the entire world.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  So this One Oak, I've never been. It's, when I think of it, I think of like a straight, like kind of like Vegas-y club.

• 6:11Speaker 01

  It is.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 6:15Speaker 01

  It is.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  And you love that?

• 6:17Speaker 01

  I don't know why I like, I think I get so insecure in like gay environments that like I find peace being in like those straight environments, which is, which is horrible.

• 6:29Speaker 02

  Do you get, like, do you hit on people at all in that environment?

• 6:32Speaker 01

  I tried to last night at Peoples and then the second I feel like an ounce of rejection, I just pull away entirely and go the opposite direction.

• 6:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'm realizing that going out is like the best way to meet people.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  It is.

• 6:46Speaker 02

  Which is like so not a groundbreaking statement, but I, it's crazy. Every single time I go out, I'm like, oh, there's this person. Or it's like, it feels like real life. Um, I don't know. It's like so much more productive, I think.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  Do you ever find yourself to be like, are you, do you feel like you're more introverted or more extroverted?

• 7:06Speaker 02

  Definitely more introverted.

• 7:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, I can like turn it on for work, but like last night, Terry wanted to play Party on like the, he gave it to the DJ or whatever. And that is my actual nightmare.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  Hearing your own music out?

• 7:21Speaker 02

  Especially an unreleased song. Cause I'm like, no one's gonna know it. It's gonna feel really, really uncomfortable, like whatever. People are gonna like, feel like they have to like look at me and be like, ah, you know?

• 7:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:32Speaker 02

  Everything about that experience sounds so nightmarish to me. Like it actually triggers my fight or flight. And last night I flew. The second that the song started playing, I like beeline and ran out the front door.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  And you just left?

• 7:43Speaker 02

  No, I stayed, I went to like the smoking area at the front and then, um, poked my ear in and when I could hear that the song was over, I went back inside.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got that.

• 7:51Speaker 02

  It's like a nightmare experience, I think.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  Do you have anxiety, like bad anxiety?

• 7:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:55Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 7:56Speaker 02

  I know.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  Really, really bad.

• 8:00Speaker 02

  I don't think, it was like the meanest thing to say. I was gonna say, I don't think mine is as bad as yours.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  Yes. It's not. Mine is atrocious and I like, right now, I'm shaking with anxiety from last night.

• 8:12Speaker 02

  Oh, from, so.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  Because everyone's calling me this morning being like Jake. And then they're like, no, but you were so fun. But Jake. And I'm like, I don't remember a damn thing.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  What are you, like, what's the worry in that scenario? Like, what's the worst thing you could have done?

• 8:25Speaker 01

  Thank you. That's how I feel. Okay. You just made me feel so much better. You wanna know where else I feel so seen with you? You have a deviated septum.

• 8:33Speaker 02

  I had.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:34Speaker 02

  I had it fixed.

• 8:35Speaker 01

  Wait, can you tell me everything about that? Because.

• 8:37Speaker 02

  Have you had it fixed?

• 8:38Speaker 01

  No. And how long was the recovery? How did you know you had one? And what happened?

• 8:43Speaker 02

  So I didn't really talk about the surgery when I got it because I thought that people were gonna think that I was just getting a nose job.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  I really liked my nose. I actually preferred, it's like the most tiny change that they did because like they had to put in these like graft things. So it's a little thicker now. But I, I just would get sick like every two weeks, like at least.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  Oh, that was the issue. My issue is like, I feel like blocked.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, but then doesn't that make you feel like shit?

• 9:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, yes.

• 9:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I would be like bedridden for like, two days of every two weeks. You know what I mean? Where I'm just like, ugh, I feel so like, that like head cold feeling.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:21Speaker 02

  It was constant. And then like, it was affecting my singing. Like when I listen back to my old music, I can fully hear that I was just recording with like a fully blocked nose. And then I had the surgery and it was like, the last thing I said before they put me to sleep was no physical change because I didn't wanna wake up with like a little button nose. Like I had this irrational fear that they were gonna like cosmetically fuck with my face. And um, I woke up, it's pretty gnarly.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Okay, that's, see, that's what I was worried about. And how long was the recovery process?

• 9:54Speaker 02

  Okay, so for a week, it felt like, and this should not scare you off from doing it, because I still think it was like the best thing I've ever done in my life. But for a week, it felt like someone had opened my face, taken a brick, put it under, closed my face and sewed it up. Like, it was so heavy and full and like, it was really gnarly for like five days. And then, I think they leave shit in there and then they like take it out or something like that. But then, once it was better, and you look kinda crazy, because the swelling does take a long time to go down. But within like, three weeks, I was back. And now I get sinus infections maybe like twice a year.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  I think I live with a year-long sinus infection.

• 10:39Speaker 02

  You probably have chronic sinusitis.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  I, what?

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Chronic sinusitis.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  What sinusitis?

• 10:45Speaker 02

  It's like, I think what you have. It's like an infection of the sinuses.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  It's just like constantly so.

• 10:51Speaker 02

  Or inflammation, I don't know.

• 10:52Speaker 01

  It's like so, like, I give myself like, I go like this every single day to try to like move it around.

• 10:57Speaker 02

  I used to neti pot, like, have you done that? But the crazy thing is that when you're that blocked, the water gets trapped in your face.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 11:05Speaker 02

  I, I remember when I was premiering My My My, I went to, this was when I was like still trying to do like radio stuff. And I went to uh Kiss FM in LA. And they were like, okay, we're gonna do a Facebook Live before we go live on the radio. And I had such a bad sinus infection and I neti potted when I was at home, went to the interview. And they were like, okay, for the Facebook Live, duck down under the table, like I was sitting across the table, duck down under the table and then pop up for the live to like surprise you.

• 11:37Speaker 02

  And I felt really full in my face. But I didn't like really think anything of it, because I always felt full in my face. And the second, he was like, okay, three, two, duck down. And I went like this. And the second I like leaned forward, it released.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  On live?

• 11:53Speaker 02

  On Facebook Live. And I had like this watery like snot gush out of my nose. And I went like this, like, so the first few seconds of the live, I've never seen the live, but I was doing this, like,

• 12:05Speaker 02

  getting all this like shit off my hands. Um, horrible experience.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  Uh, okay. I needed, so moral of the story is I need surgery.

• 12:14Speaker 02

  I think you do.

• 12:15Speaker 01

  And, okay, I'm gonna do it in December, Louise, okay?

• 12:17Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 12:19Speaker 02

  Perfect.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Okay, so you sang when you were a kid.

• 12:21Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  And then you flew out to Los Angeles and sang for like a Jewish event.

• 12:27Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  And you said that it did not go well.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  Yes. I, well, yeah, as a kid, I was like a boy soprano. Like, I used to sing like so high and whatever. And I would, I would fly around and sing like at shore. Like, I, I, that was my whole gig when I was a kid. Um, and I had a panic attack, I think. It was like my first, like, proper panic attack. Um, yeah, I think it was just like something about being in America and whatever really like freaked me out. I was like, oh my god, because it's what I always wanted. I like always wanted to be in America.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:02Speaker 02

  Because that was where I knew that like all the musicians lived.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:05Speaker 02

  So I was like, okay, I wanna go to LA. Um, and like make music.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  But then you, it made you stop singing for like four years.

• 13:13Speaker 02

  Yes. Oh, I know what you're talking about. Yes. So this was right at the, because I was a boy soprano, my like entire identity was like, I was like a boy with a high voice.

• 13:22Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 13:23Speaker 02

  And then my voice started to break and change. And I was so insecure about it, because it was like my whole life. And I didn't really know what to do with myself. Um, so then I stopped singing. I, I was like literally 12 years old and I said to my parents, I was like, I need to take a break. Uh, like I took a year off. Um, and weirdly, that's when I started acting. Um, and so that was cool. But then, and then I came back to music when I was like maybe 13, 14.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  And when you came back to me, it was because of The Fault in Our Stars, right?

• 13:57Speaker 02

  Well, that was like the first original song that I released. Yeah, but I remember I did like a Michael Buble, when I was still like figuring out my voice, my new voice, I did um a Michael Buble cover, because I thought like, oh, I'm a man now, like I'm gonna do like, you know? And I like tried to, and it's like a weird sort of like impersonation of him.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, that, that makes sense.

• 14:16Speaker 02

  I was really trying to like figure out what my new vibe was gonna be. And then I, once my voice kinda like settled, I, yeah, the first original song that I put out was The Fault in Our Stars, which by the way, they did not ask me to do. Like, I just like, wrote it. It was like fanfiction. Like, I like wrote the song because I liked the book. And then, um, yeah.

• 14:38Speaker 01

  I mean, that book had a chokehold on society.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  No, it was crazy. Um, that was the same time as like Perks of Being a Wallflower.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, all those like yearning-ish movies.

• 14:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Do you, do you like Perks of Being a Wallflower?

• 14:50Speaker 02

  I haven't seen it, I don't think, since it came out. But.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  It's so good.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  Is it? Like, it holds up?

• 14:55Speaker 01

  It holds up.

• 14:55Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 14:59Speaker 01

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• 16:02Speaker 01

  I wanna talk about your new music video for Party.

• 16:04Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  And you've never seen Game of Thrones, you said?

• 16:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. I like, I find Game of Thrones, it's one of those things where sometimes when something is such a big thing, I get so like intimidated by it that I'm like, I don't know what my entry point in is to this thing. Like, the whole world already knows everything about this and I know nothing about this. And then I'll just like get really weirdly avoidant about it and like not ever watch it.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  What do you watch?

• 16:30Speaker 02

  I watch, um.

• 16:32Speaker 01

  Besides The Pit?

• 16:33Speaker 02

  I, I do watch The Pit, yeah. I, I watch like a lot of like educational like YouTube videos.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  Like, for example, if you were to pull one up right now and unwind, what would it be?

• 16:44Speaker 02

  I mean, I can literally get my YouTube algorithm and it'll be like something about, um, construction. Or like, you know, like there's these like YouTube channels, like, there's one called the B1M that like just makes videos about like beautiful buildings. Or like, maybe like something about history or, I don't know.

• 17:05Speaker 01

  You don't watch like television shows?

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Not really that much. Like, when, when I get into a phase, I'm like in a phase. Um, and I'll, I'll like consume a lot. But I find it's like a habit that I just don't really have. Like, I need to like remind myself like, oh, I should watch TV.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  Right. I mean, I could give you a whole list of stuff.

• 17:20Speaker 02

  Do you watch like, do you watch TV every day?

• 17:23Speaker 01

  I, I wake up, I watch TV. I watch TV in the middle, like during the day. I watch TV to go to bed. I've seen every show under the sun.

• 17:30Speaker 02

  Wow. Do you read?

• 17:34Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  Do you read?

• 17:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I read, um, I read in like spurts, you know, like I'll like read like five books in a month. And then I'll not read for like four months. And then I'll, you know what I mean?

• 17:51Speaker 01

  I have a bad ADHD, so I, and really bad OCD. So like sometimes I'll have to like, read and then reread sentences over. So it's just, it's so exhausting that I just like can't do it.

• 18:00Speaker 02

  Do you do podcasts?

• 18:01Speaker 01

  Yes, I do.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I know you do.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  A podcast, but like.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  I do like true crime.

• 18:07Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  Those are the only podcasts I'll do. Like, right now I'm listening to this NPR podcast about a missing journalist in Syria.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Fascinating.

• 18:15Speaker 02

  Really?

• 18:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, fascinating.

• 18:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, that, that sounds like something I would definitely consume.

• 18:20Speaker 01

  I'll send it to you.

• 18:20Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 18:21Speaker 01

  It's amazing. My mom, like, I, and I get to, like, that's the stuff that I'll be like, okay, I'll call my mom and talk to my mom about, because she like finds that stuff interesting.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  My mom, my mom is obsessed with TV and she'll watch so much TV. I remember there was this phase where she was watching this show on, I don't even know what platform it was on, but um, it was in, I wanna say Russian? And she was watching it with subtitles, but it's like, kind of like a soap. Like, there was like fifty episodes per season and like eleven seasons or something like that. And my mom like watched the entire thing and truly felt like she could, was starting to like learn Russian.

• 19:02Speaker 01

  That's how I felt when I watched my German TV show Dark.

• 19:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 19:07Speaker 01

  It is, I think you would love it.

• 19:08Speaker 02

  Did you start to like pick up on phrases and things?

• 19:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, like nine, like Jonas, like.

• 19:14Speaker 02

  Wait, what's that?

• 19:15Speaker 01

  The main character's named Jonas.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  Uh, uh.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Jonas and nine. That's all I ever picked up on.

• 19:21Speaker 02

  A name and no. That's awesome.

• 19:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, what is it?

• 19:25Speaker 02

  A name?

• 19:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, name and no. And how do you say yes in German?

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Ja?

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Ja, ja, yeah, that's, ja, nine and Jonas.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  You're killing that.

• 19:35Speaker 01

  I think you would like Dark.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  Okay, what's the vibe?

• 19:38Speaker 01

  It's in a small German town.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  Love.

• 19:41Speaker 01

  And a little German boy named Mikal goes missing.

• 19:44Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 19:45Speaker 01

  And that's it. That's all you need to know. It's three seasons, ten episodes each, and it is the most beautifully shot show I've ever seen in my entire life.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  Have you seen, um, Broadchurch?

• 19:56Speaker 01

  I have been debating starting Broadchurch for years now.

• 20:00Speaker 02

  It's just like one of the only shows I've watched and I really enjoyed it.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  What's the vibe?

• 20:04Speaker 02

  Um, dead body on a beach, whodunit in a tiny town.

• 20:11Speaker 01

  I'm gonna watch that tonight.

• 20:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, you'll love it.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  That sounds unbelievable.

• 20:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's really good.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  What do you love so much about The Pit?

• 20:16Speaker 02

  I'm really, really, really fascinated by that job. Like, I, I can't imagine, there, there's just some, that is like the most different job from the job that I have. And I can't believe that people do that.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  Like, doctors?

• 20:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, like working ERs.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:32Speaker 02

  It's so fucking insane to me. Do you wanna know a crazy story?

• 20:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:36Speaker 02

  That's fine, because he's alive. I, this is like a, it's like genuinely traumatic, but um, like I don't know why I'm telling this story. It's not even a funny story. But, so my dad occasionally will do like construction stuff. And he was with his best friend and he was holding up a weatherboard to like the side of the house and his friend was doing a nail gun.

• 20:59Speaker 01

  What's a weatherboard?

• 21:00Speaker 02

  It's just like the paneling on the side of the house.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  Okay, got it, got it, got it, got it.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  So he's holding the panel while his friend does the nail gun. The nail gun misfired. Maybe I shouldn't tell this.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  This long of a nail, it was like a six centimeter nail, went into my dad's brain.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  What?

• 21:18Speaker 02

  And then we get this call being like, you have to go to the hospital, like whatever, you know, something's happened. And so this was my like E R experience. But um I went and then they the E R was full. And they like triaged us to the front or whatever. And they were like, okay, so your dad has like a nail in his brain. And I was like, is he alive? And they're like, yes. And I, the weirdest part was he was awake the entire time. Mm hmm. He he was so he like, it shot him in the head and then he was like looking for the nail. And then his friend was like, I think it's in your head.

• 21:52Speaker 01

  What?

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, my dad was like, there's no way, cause I would be dead. And the guy was like, no, no, no, I think it's in your head. And then my dad went like this and he was like, okay. And he like waited a second cause he thought he was gonna die. And then he got in the car with his friend and then they drove to the hospital. And then his friend like ran in and left him in the car to like tell them whatever. The person comes out and is like asking my dad's, my dad questions, which I now realize is like part of like the triaging. They're like trying to see if he's like confused or whatever. So they made him fill out his own forms.

• 22:22Speaker 01

  In his head, they were just like, let's go handle this.

• 22:24Speaker 02

  They handed him a form and my my dad's friend was like, no, like, look. And so then she was like, okay, come. So then they take him in. We get there, they take us to this room, we're like chilling, they're like, the neurologist is gonna come see you. I'm like, what the fuck, like, what is going on? The neurologist comes in and is like, okay, which one of you is Troy, which one of you is Steel, which one of you is my siblings' names? And I was like, how do you know all of that? And he's like, I've been talking to your dad. And I was like, I'm not understanding what is going on. Because you're telling me that there's a six centimeter nail in his brain, but you're talking to him. And he's like, yeah, he's awake. So we don't know what is going on. Like, we don't actually. It must have landed in a really good spot for you.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  I mean, thank God.

• 23:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. So then I go in to see my dad and he's like, obviously it was like a super intense, like emotional moment or whatever. But he was like awake and like making jokes and stuff like that. And I was like, okay, fuck, like, let's go. And they take him off to surgery. And they pulled it out and they put a little like metal plate in his head and he's like completely fine.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  When was this?

• 23:24Speaker 02

  This was just before sweat tour.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  And this happened in Australia?

• 23:28Speaker 02

  It happened in Australia and I thank God I was like in Australia so I could like be with my family. But um it's insane. Like, I'll show you the X ray, cause it's not gruesome. It's just like, but you see exactly what you imagine, like a brain with a nail like that deep into it. And they said like, if it was a millimeter this way, he would have died. If it was a millimeter that way, he would have been like paralyzed or whatever. And they were like, you need to buy like lottery tickets, cause you are like the luckiest man in the world. But they also said that apparently a nail is like of all the things to get shot into your brain. It's kind of like, it's like the best one.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:01Speaker 02

  Because it's designed to go cleanly in to a wall and like not crack and fuck shit up around the nail. So he had this like really clean incision or whatever, like of where it went in. And then I think the craziest part was like, so then that night, we're like in the waiting room with him after the surgery and I'm like chatting with him and he's like, I'm hungry. And so I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go get you a burger. So I go.

• 24:26Speaker 01

  The nail was in his head?

• 24:27Speaker 02

  No, the nail is out now.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 24:28Speaker 02

  But I go to get him a burger and keep in mind that this entire thing happened like in an afternoon. Like, we got the call probably at noon. Got to the hospital, the whole surgery only took like an hour and they like rushed him to surgery. So it's now like eight P M and the whole thing is like already over. But it's like, it was such a significant, humongous like life event that I was like in complete shock. And so I go get him a burger and I don't know what to do. I feel this like unbelievable like wave of joy that my dad's like alive, cause I I had spent like a few hours of that day thinking that he was gonna die. And so I'm like at this random burger place near the hospital and I'm like to the guy, I'm like, the burger that you just made

• 25:12Speaker 02

  is going to be eaten by a man who was shot in the head with a nail today by like a nail gun, by his best friend. And he's alive and he's fine. And the guy's like, all right, and like handed me the, handed me the bag. But it was just such a crazy experience. It was like the wildest thing that's ever happened in my life. And then I think it took ages for us to like accept that it was fine.

• 25:35Speaker 01

  Cause like he had like a nail shot into his head and then it came out and now he's fine.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  And yeah, like that sounds so unbelievable that I was like, I don't know, I was sort of like waiting. I'm like, oh, well, surely something's gonna like happen or something. And like, he's totally fine.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  What did the recovery time on that one look like?

• 25:51Speaker 02

  Well, so the weirdest part was they sent him home from the hospital like two days after, like it like happened, there was the next day and then he went home the next day. And then I'm like at home with him and he's staying at my house, cause it was closer to a hospital, like just in case. And then I get a call on my phone from the hospital and they were like, can you bring your dad back? And I'm like, okay, fuck, like, here we go. Like, here's the complications or something that I've been like, not waiting for, but like anticipating, you know what I mean? Or like dreading. And basically, I don't know what happened and watching the pit like made me like realize this, but something went very wrong with them like discharging him so soon after. Like, imagine you're doing the rounds in the morning and you're like, where's the guy with the nail?

• 26:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:35Speaker 02

  In his brain. And they're like, oh, we sent him home. And you're like, what the fuck? Why?

• 26:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  You know, so then he went back to the hospital and stayed there for another like three or four days. Um, but he was like, fine. It was crazy.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  He, so he's not a hypochondriac at all, it seems?

• 26:50Speaker 02

  No, not at all. Like he, I feel like he's like had his like, his like finger kind of chopped off when he was a kid and they like sewed it back on his left. Like, he's kind of been through the walls a little bit. But this was definitely like the craziest thing that's ever happened to him.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  That's, yeah.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, he doesn't seem to worry about it or like much.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  Do you get health anxiety at all?

• 27:09Speaker 02

  Um, not really health anxiety, no. Like, that's not one that, I I get. My like biggest thing is um being

• 27:22Speaker 02

  like feeling nauseous in an environment where I'm trapped. So.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  Like the gym?

• 27:29Speaker 02

  The gym, uh, well, no, if I'm by myself, it's fine, because I know that I can deal with the situation. Like, if I need to leave, I can leave. Or if I need to like go wash my face and with cold water, I can do it, whatever. It's, it becomes a form of social anxiety where I'm like, oh, I'm with, let's say we were working out together and I started to feel nauseous. Sorry. If we were together and we were working out together and I started to feel nauseous, I'm like, fuck, oh my god, okay, I'm starting to feel sick. And what am I gonna do? Am I gonna tell Jake? Am I not gonna tell Jake? Like, what is my plan? And then is he gonna think that it's like weird that I'm leaving? Or, you know, like, or the worst is like, if you're in a car with people. And you're like stuck in traffic and you start to feel nauseous.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  You're like, what if I just threw up right now, right here and we're all stuck with my throw up?

• 28:15Speaker 02

  That's so embarrassing. Da da da da da. Like, my mind goes a million miles a minute and then it like exacerbates the physical symptoms and then I'll like kind of have a panic attack. But it's it's gotten better over the years.

• 28:26Speaker 01

  Do you have panic attacks often?

• 28:27Speaker 02

  I haven't had one in probably like three years.

• 28:32Speaker 01

  And what do they look like for you when you have them?

• 28:34Speaker 02

  Just like kind of classic, full blown, like um, feel like I can't get a full breath and like clammy hands, sweaty, nervous, like.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  Like in out, in out, in out, like I'm gonna throw up.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:47Speaker 01

  I, that's what mine look like. I'm like, I'm gonna throw up right now.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  Do you know what helped me was um like iPhone games?

• 28:53Speaker 01

  Really?

• 28:54Speaker 02

  If I'm having a panic attack or if I feel like I'm going to have a panic attack, I feel like it's like enough mental stimulation to that you can't be thinking about the fact that you're panicking, which is obviously like the cycle that, you know what I mean? So if you can, if I can break that by doing something like YouTube doesn't work, cause I'm still thinking, like watching T V doesn't work, cause I'm still thinking. But if I need to like be doing something, it like snaps me out of it kind of thing.

• 29:21Speaker 01

  When I have panic attacks, I try to reach on to something really cold. And like it like shocks like whatever part of my body is touching it. And I focus on like how cold it is and that's what calms me down.

• 29:34Speaker 02

  Do you get them a lot?

• 29:37Speaker 01

  I get them in the gym a lot. When I overwork myself and then I'm like, oh, I feel sick and nauseous and I'm at a gym and what if I throw up in front of everyone right now on the floor, like it's gonna ruin everything, everyone's rest of the day. And I'm panicking, cause I can't throw up. And I feel like I'm gonna throw up and everything's hot. And so I have to like literally take ice and pour it all over my face and like lay down and just like.

• 30:02Speaker 02

  Do you like tell someone like, oh, I'm feeling weird?

• 30:04Speaker 01

  I say, I'm, I say, I think I'm gonna throw up. I think I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna throw up. I think I'm gonna throw up. And they're like, oh, you're being dramatic. I said, no, I think I'm gonna throw up. And I have to lay down and pour ice.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  Wow. It's interesting though, cause hearing you talk about it makes me feel better about it. Cause I'm like, if we were together at the gym and you started to experience that, I would think it was really chill. Like, I would worry for you. I would be like, oh, that sucks that he's not feeling well.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  But I'm not gonna be like, this is gonna ruin my day, my day that you're feeling sick.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  That makes me feel so much better.

• 30:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, right?

• 30:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:37Speaker 02

  Like, even if you threw up, I would be like, whoa, crazy. And then we would like move on with our day.

• 30:41Speaker 01

  Throw up is just like so gross. Like, when someone throws up, I'm like, ugh.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  But it's also an irrational fear for me, because I like, I haven't vomited in years.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  Oh, lucky.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  You're like, I vomited this morning?

• 30:52Speaker 01

  No, no, no, I actually didn't, but I know it's coming.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  You're gonna vomit today?

• 30:56Speaker 01

  Probably at some point. Probably at some point.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  Do you like make that happen or is that gonna be an involuntary thing that's gonna happen?

• 31:05Speaker 01

  What time is it now? Yeah, so at around four P M.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  No.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  At around four P M. I'll be like, oh, that was so fun. Troy was so fun. I feel a little sick. Um, I feel a little sick. It's not going away and my head is hurting.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 31:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:23Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  Crazy. Do you watch Industry?

• 31:27Speaker 02

  I I have watched, I want to say like

• 31:33Speaker 02

  either the entire first season or like half of the first season. That is my like, that is my type of show. I love that shit.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  It only gets better, really?

• 31:42Speaker 02

  But see, this is what I mean. TV is a habitual thing. It's a habit that I don't have. Like, I would, I can be loving a show and then I'll forget to watch TV. Like, I'm like, oh, I should go home and watch Industry now because I remembered about, like, it's just not a part of my daily life.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  What, what, what does a day to day life look like for you?

• 31:59Speaker 02

  I don't know. Like, if I have any spare time, I'm like, it's just not, I'm not going to TV. I'm like, going to my YouTube videos.

• 32:06Speaker 01

  And watching educational YouTube videos?

• 32:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  So did you watch?

• 32:10Speaker 02

  I think there's some stuff, like, I'll send you some YouTube videos that I think you'll like.

• 32:14Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:15Speaker 01

  What, if you had to recommend me one right now, what, like, what would you put, put me on to?

• 32:20Speaker 02

  I really like watching this lady who cooks for her family of four.

• 32:27Speaker 02

  For like, she'll feed the family, she's kind of sets herself challenges where she'll feed the family for like fifty bucks for the whole week for like four people.

• 32:33Speaker 01

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  Right?

• 32:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  And so I love watching her recipes or like how she does it and stuff like that. And when she goes to the grocery store and she's like finding the, you know, like best deals and whatever. And like, that's fun.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  Did you ever watch that show? What was it? Coupon?

• 32:48Speaker 02

  Oh, um, no, but what is that show?

• 32:51Speaker 01

  What was it called?

• 32:53Speaker 02

  Extreme.

• 32:53Speaker 01

  Extreme couponing. Extreme couponing.

• 32:56Speaker 02

  I would watch that. Like, I would love that.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  I used to, that was like Food Network vibes. Did you ever watch the Food Network?

• 33:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  I love the Cupcake Wars?

• 33:03Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, yeah. Also, just cooking videos in general.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  Love.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  Like, but the BuzzFeed Tasty videos?

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. Yeah. And then I bumped into, there's this YouTube chef. Did you ever watch Back to Back Chef on, okay, it was a really fun show on YouTube. And I bumped into her on the street and I was like completely starstruck, the chef.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  Did you feel like parasocial?

• 33:23Speaker 02

  Completely. I was like, Carla.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  She, um, yeah, we had a nice conversation. But I know, I'm like, I feel like she's my friend. Like, I want to, I want to have like a dinner party with her.

• 33:33Speaker 01

  What's the most starstruck you've ever been?

• 33:37Speaker 02

  I think like the immediate one that came to mind is Rihanna.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  Right, I mean.

• 33:43Speaker 02

  It's, it's like.

• 33:44Speaker 01

  It's Rihanna?

• 33:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that I feel like is just one that I'll never get over. I don't know. Like, I don't think, I, I've only ever seen her. I, I think I've seen her maybe twice in like real life at things from afar. And, oh no, and then one time at the Met, we like quickly spoke because she, when I was wearing my dress to the Met, I wore a dress to the Met one year.

• 34:07Speaker 01

  I remember.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  And then I went to the bathroom and I was peeing at the urinal and I like hiked up the dress to pee. And then I'm like peeing and I hear the door slams open and like a bunch of people come in or whatever. And I hear a woman's voice and she's like, someone's got to take a picture of that. And I turned around and it was Rihanna. And I was like, oh, my God, fuck, cool. Obviously, like.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  Your dress is hiked up.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, um, put everything away. And then I asked someone to take a picture and then I posted it on my Instagram and I'm like, okay, that's sick to me that Rihanna told me to take that pic.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  And that, is that, is that photo still here?

• 34:48Speaker 02

  It's still on Instagram, yeah.

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• 35:59Speaker 01

  You love long dinners.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, don't you?

• 36:04Speaker 02

  Is that an anxiety trap for you?

• 36:05Speaker 01

  Uh, when I tell you dinner should be no longer than fifty minutes.

• 36:10Speaker 02

  Wow, what don't you like?

• 36:13Speaker 01

  I get so uncomfortable in my body after I eat that I'm like, it's, we gotta go, we gotta get up, we gotta go.

• 36:17Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  And you can just sit there forever.

• 36:20Speaker 02

  What if the food takes a long time? Does that, is that a nice thing where like?

• 36:23Speaker 01

  Oh, no, it's like, where the fuck is the food? It's taking so long.

• 36:26Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  We just had our appetizers. It's been thirty minutes. I, I need to, I need to leave. Like, I get terrible. I think it's an anxiety about being stuck.

• 36:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, if, no, well, last night I went to dinner and we were in a booth and I went, I'll sit and like, there was one chair. I'll take that because I don't want to get stuck.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:44Speaker 02

  So I get it. But I think for me with a dinner party, the thing that I'm like always striving for is like, have you ever had one that was long that you did like? Like where you're like, that was so nice. And everyone was like, the conversation was like chatty, like everyone's kind of contributing. Maybe we're going around the table telling funny stories and things like that. Like, has that ever happened to you?

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Maybe once.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  Where you like loved it?

• 37:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, my thing is I'm not, I'm the worst casual drinker. Like, I'm like, if I'm drinking, like, it's, I'm blacking out.

• 37:14Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 37:14Speaker 01

  Which is like the worst. That's why last night, it, my night last night shifted. I, I could have gone home after Peoples. I saw you drinking a beer at Peoples. And I was like, if he can do it, I can do anything.

• 37:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:28Speaker 01

  And that's, and I, that's why I'm like, I, and at that point, I felt like drinking makes me tired.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  I don't really like drinking.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  Neither do I.

• 37:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. Do you do it a lot?

• 37:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, like every week, but I don't, I don't enjoy it.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Do you not enjoy, like, do you like feeling kind of tipsy or no?

• 37:45Speaker 01

  I like, like taking shrooms or like stuff like that, like stuff that'll like, like I'll like be dancing and like, like, I, because I like to like dance and like drinking doesn't make me want to dance.

• 37:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  Drinking makes me want to like lay down and go to bed.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  Got it. Yeah, I, I don't love the way alcohol, like, as in, I, I, my dream is going to a dinner with an empty tummy, having a dirty martini.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  Oh, I love a dirty martini.

• 38:13Speaker 02

  And then having a beer during the dinner. That is like my perfect level of like tipsy. That was, alcohol is like doing exactly what I want it to do, whatever. And then anything beyond like three drinks up for me, I do not like. I don't like the drunk feeling.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:33Speaker 02

  You know, because it's like so, it's everything that I hate. Like, and then the idea of having to get in an Uber to drive home drunk is my nightmare. So that I think also prevents me from drinking a lot because I'm like, I do not want to be out and about. I'm feeling sick.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  Have you ever thrown up in an Uber?

• 38:51Speaker 02

  I've never thrown up in an Uber. I think I've asked them to drop me off at like Starbucks.

• 38:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I've learned to do that. But one time in high school, I went to a white party and I was in all white and I was so drunk and I threw up all over myself in the Uber.

• 39:08Speaker 02

  No.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  And he was like, uh, and then I had to walk past my doorman in high school and I was covered in throw up all over my white thing.

• 39:16Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  And he was like, you are a mess.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  See, like, that would be a traumatic experience, I think. Like.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  I woke up the next day and I was like, oh, well. And like now, and now I get the worst scaries I've ever experienced in my entire life. Do you like get scaries after drinking?

• 39:34Speaker 02

  This I can't relate to. This is not an anxiety that I feel. But I think it's because I'm so like measured on the night. Like, I don't let myself go as much as I would like to. Sometime, sometimes I do and, um, it's just like in very specific scenarios and those are the best nights and I wish that I could do it more. But I think in general, my like baseline on a night out is I will try and like keep my head about me.

• 39:56Speaker 01

  What's the best night out you've ever had?

• 39:58Speaker 02

  So in Australia, we have, do you know what a bushduff is? Okay, so in my song Party, I say party in the bush, right?

• 40:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 40:08Speaker 02

  In Australian.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  About that.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. So the bush is just like not in the city. You know what I mean? And so like, if you're going out to the bush, you're going to like the country kind of thing, you know? And we'll have these like bushduffs and it's like doof, doof, doof. So it's a doof in the bush, right? It's a bushduff.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  What's a doof?

• 40:26Speaker 02

  Like doof, doof.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  Oh, like, oh.

• 40:28Speaker 02

  So it's a doof, doof.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  But what do you mean in the bush?

• 40:31Speaker 02

  So you go to the bush and you have a doof.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  So what do you mean you go to the, a bush is like?

• 40:37Speaker 02

  Oh, so the bush could be anything.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  Bush of like grass.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no. The bush is like, like it could be a big empty field.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  It could be a forest. It could be maybe someone's uncle has like a farm or something like that.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  Oh, party in the bush.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  It's a really, really fun thing to do if you're ever in Australia.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  I've never been.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  Bushduff. Wow.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  I know.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  Weird. That's cool. Um, you've got to come.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  Wait, do you love it there?

• 41:03Speaker 02

  I, I'm obsessed with Australia.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  And do you see yourself settling down there?

• 41:07Speaker 02

  Eventually. Yeah.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  But I heard you wanted a London boyfriend.

• 41:10Speaker 02

  I do. I think like my dream is obviously to just like meet an Australian guy overseas.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 41:16Speaker 02

  Because then I feel like I don't have to worry about like, fuck, is he gonna want to move to Australia one day?

• 41:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 41:20Speaker 02

  You know? But no, so sometimes we'll do like a little mini festival and it's like an unofficial festival. So it's just like friends that have organized it, but it's like three days worth of like DJs and stuff like that. And I went to one not that long ago and my siblings were there. And I stayed for like two nights and just kind of just like camp or whatever. And that was really, really, really fun. But then I, I think like the best, it's annoying to say, but the best, like clubbing experience I've ever had was like in Berlin.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  Where?

• 41:52Speaker 02

  At Parkin.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  What, what, what is it like there?

• 41:55Speaker 02

  Okay, so remember all of the anxieties that we talked about before?

• 41:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:58Speaker 02

  To me, that is kind of like a one big anxiety trigger because I'm like in this space that I'm like, don't know. This is before I went. I was like, how am I gonna get out if I want to? What if I need to throw up? And there's like, you know, because like there's a huge line for the bathrooms all the time and stuff like that. Like, it's kind of a scary experience.

• 42:20Speaker 02

  And I went in before, before I went in, I went into it being like, I am going to surrender my body to this experience and to this place. And like, I think also, and maybe this is like a Jewish thing that we both have, but it's like, your body is way more resilient and stronger than you think it is.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  I know. That's what Louise always tells me. She's like, you think you are dying at all times.

• 42:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're not.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  Why is that a Jew? Is it, is it the Jewish, like, what is it? Anxiety?

• 42:51Speaker 02

  I wish I could explain it, but I have no idea. Yeah, it's anxiety. Anyway, so I was like, okay, I'm going to just like surrender to this experience completely. And so like, everyone else in the place is also doing that, you know? And I, I just had the best time. It's like, I don't know.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  There's something so beautiful to me about people who have traveled from all around the world and come to, we come to this place to, um.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  For magic.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  To literally, yeah, like honestly though, cause I feel like, and it's, it's just like, how beautiful. People gathering to like, listen to music and dance. Like, that's so cool to me. And it's just like the most, I don't know. There's something so like, I think maybe people would assume that there's this like darkness to it or this heaviness to it. And sure, I guess you could find that if you, if you want it, or if that's like where you're at. But I was in a really good place and I went in and just like, I, there's no phones. It, everyone is so nice. I just like, had such a beautiful time.

• 43:57Speaker 01

  I'm so jealous.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  You should go.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  I, I really wanna go.

• 44:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Do you smoke weed?

• 44:03Speaker 02

  No, that freaks me. I get crazy paranoid.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Really?

• 44:07Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 44:07Speaker 01

  For, for some reason with me, it's like, that's the one thing that I can do that calms me down.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  No, like my best experience on weed was me being like, everything's fine, everything's fine, everything's fine. For like five hours, you know?

• 44:19Speaker 01

  You know what you put me onto? And it completely overtook my entire life.

• 44:25Speaker 02

  What?

• 44:26Speaker 01

  Moth food.

• 44:27Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 44:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was at Troy's once for, what, what, what, what were we doing at yours? You was like a barbecue.

• 44:32Speaker 02

  It's like a barbecue, but I don't remember for what.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  And I was like, I, I feel like you would know like a good thrift store and you just threw out moth food. When I tell you, I must have, I go at least once a week now.

• 44:41Speaker 02

  Really?

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:43Speaker 02

  And that's amazing, right?

• 44:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, like I have like a John Lennon shirt I got from there. It's tie-dye, it's from the seventies and it just ripped up everywhere. And I'm like, oh, I feel like Troye Sivan.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  It looks really cool.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  How has your style like evolved over the years? Like where do you find inspiration from?

• 44:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think like, at the moment, I, I just wanted to feel more like myself, you know what I mean? Like as far as, um, the way that I was dressing. I think like, kind of being in line with what I was talking about with the album, there became this sort of like caricature version of myself that I knew how to dress like. But I was like, but then that's not really how I dress. Or like, you know what I mean? Like it was a lot of like straps and complicated things, you know what I mean? Like, and I didn't feel like sexy. And so then I started to dress, um, more just like how I wanted to, you know what I mean? And like, so it's pretty easy. I mean, I'm wearing a leather vest

• 45:42Speaker 02

  right now, but like, that's cause I'm doing your podcast.

• 45:45Speaker 01

  When do you feel like the most sexy?

• 45:47Speaker 02

  I think it's like when I'm out and you've identified a potential like partner for the night or for whatever. And the like, leading someone around a dance, like grabbing their hand or like kind of like, you know, like that physical touch, I feel, I feel sexy and I love. Like last night at Peoples, this, I met this guy and within like two seconds, he was like, me, come. And he grabbed my hand and like led me across and I was like melting. Like I love that shit so much.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  Oh, that, having a crush on someone on a night out and it being reciprocated is one of the greatest feelings in the entire world.

• 46:30Speaker 02

  It is peak.

• 46:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is peak.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  It is.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  What's an Australian saying that you wouldn't say here besides like the bush?

• 46:37Speaker 02

  I have a little rat's tail. I would call this a ratty.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  A ratty?

• 46:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I'd be like, like I would never say this to an American, but if I, I'd be like, what do you reckon of my ratty?

• 46:49Speaker 01

  What reckon, reckon?

• 46:50Speaker 02

  What do you reckon of my ratty? Like, what do you think of my?

• 46:53Speaker 01

  Do a lot of people in Australia have rat tails?

• 46:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:55Speaker 01

  Oh, really? What, is it like a thing there?

• 46:58Speaker 02

  It's kind of always been a thing in Australia. Yeah. Yeah. I want, I don't know. I, I thought about doing two, like two little pigtail like plats.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  How do you plan a ratty? Like, how do you grow it out in that specific area and nowhere else?

• 47:10Speaker 02

  So let your hair grow, like pretty long and then you'll look normal, normal, normal. And then, um, when you get your big haircut, you just like leave that chunk. But the hard thing is that when they're growing out, like if it's too short, it sticks out on the side, like it, it, it looks really bad for a long time. And then I'm really excited cause now, as of like two days ago, I'm at the level where I can braid it and it like hangs.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  You love braiding your hair?

• 47:38Speaker 02

  I can't braid it. So my, my sister and my brother have been doing it.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  Oh, when I had long hair this summer, I would take the, like the two pieces here and just all day, braid it, braid it, braid it, braid it, braid it, braid it, braid it.

• 47:51Speaker 02

  Do you need a mirror?

• 47:52Speaker 01

  No. And everyone was like, you're so good at braiding your hair. And I was like, I know.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  I should have asked you to braid my ratty today because.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  I would have.

• 47:59Speaker 02

  It's a thick braid.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  It's the best, braiding is the best feeling in the entire world. It's just like, it feels like you're knitting, but with your own like body.

• 48:07Speaker 02

  Have you ever had a hobby like that?

• 48:09Speaker 01

  No, never. I don't have hobbies. My only hobby is watching television.

• 48:13Speaker 02

  I think that you would benefit from.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  Knitting?

• 48:16Speaker 02

  Like a hobby like that. Like something to just like keep your mind busy or whatever, while we are chilling still.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  What's that? Like what type of hobby do you have? Like?

• 48:27Speaker 02

  I love cooking. Do you cook?

• 48:29Speaker 01

  Okay. So I used to cook when I was a kid and similar to like skiing, like when I go skiing, like you can't focus on anything else but the current task at hand. So it did like, like make me feel less anxious and it like took away my anxieties for like an hour. Cause I would like listen to music and cook and this. Yeah, I miss it.

• 48:48Speaker 02

  I love doing that. I think that that's like my, probably my number one. Um, what else do I like to do?

• 48:54Speaker 01

  What do you like to cook?

• 48:55Speaker 02

  I try and make new things basically every time. Cause I, the whole fun for me is that I'm like trying something and like learning. So I will find a recipe on like New York Times Cooking or something and try it. And then I do have my classics that I'll, but they're all like New York Times recipes or whatever that I've just like.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  What are your classics?

• 49:12Speaker 02

  There's this like really, really yummy, um, chicken with, it's like a vinegary chicken over tomatoes and onions. It's so yum. And it's kind of like a one dish, like a one pot dish because you, you do the chicken and then you kind of like, and there's some like caramelized onions in there and whatever. And then you put them.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  Caramelized onions.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  More than anything.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  And you've got like chopped tomato and then like a little bit of fresh onion as well in a platter. And then you put the chicken on and with the caramelized onions. And then you take all the like sauce from the pot that you, and you pour it on and it like kind of wilts the fresh onion a little bit. And you get this like vinegary sauce and it's kind of like a salad and your main in like one. So then I'll just make rice and have that.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  Rice? I love rice. I was about to say, do you put all the sauce from the chicken on the rice?

• 49:58Speaker 02

  Yes, of course.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  It's the best thing in the entire world.

• 50:00Speaker 02

  I love.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  Sauce on rice is mm, mm, mm, mm.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  Do you put, um, like chicken stock in your rice or better than bouillon or anything? Girl, get better than bouillon and put like a teaspoon in your rice cooker when you're making, do you use a rice cooker or the stove?

• 50:15Speaker 01

  I used to when I cooked.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  Okay. It's like, it makes your house smell so homey. Like if someone walked into my house while I was like making my chickeny rice, I, it's like my dream because it smells so good.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  Oh, that sounds, and you, so, and you just put the bouillon cube in like when you're.

• 50:32Speaker 02

  In the water, yeah.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  And it like flavors all the rice.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  Use like hot water so that you can, so that it dissolves or you can use like the, like paste, the goo stuff.

• 50:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, the, yeah.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  Or you could just use chicken stock.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  What's your favorite cuisine?

• 50:43Speaker 02

  Maybe like, like death row cuisine probably. Um.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  Oh, I was about to say, I've never heard of that cuisine. And then I realized, and then I realized you were talking about like, what would I eat on my death row?

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think maybe like, probably like really, really, really yummy, like Moroccan fish. You know what I mean?

• 51:06Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  Hmm. Like Shabbat food.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  And I'm Jewish, so I can say this. I, Jewish food doesn't do it for me.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  Really?

• 51:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I only like matzo ball soup and that's about it. Like I hate gefilte fish.

• 51:17Speaker 02

  Okay. I can kind of get amongst gefilte fish. I, like, I like it. I don't mind it. But yeah, I mean, like, I love, like a, yeah, like a Moroccan fish stew is just like my dream.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  And that, is that Jewish?

• 51:32Speaker 02

  I, well, so my uncle is like Moroccan and Jewish.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  Oh, we got it.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  So I think that's why I like have grown up eating that.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Have you ever been to Morocco?

• 51:41Speaker 02

  No, never.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  I've heard it's beautiful.

• 51:43Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 51:43Speaker 01

  The only thing I know really about Morocco is that, do you remember Anna Delvey? That's where she went on her big trip that she couldn't afford. And she like left that girl there to pay for the whole thing.

• 51:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. Is she in jail?

• 51:56Speaker 01

  No, she's out of jail. She has an ankle monitor on and she is on a year long press tour always.

• 52:02Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 52:02Speaker 01

  For just being Anna Delvey.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  Have you seen her before in real life?

• 52:05Speaker 01

  No, I would never have you. Maybe, I don't think I have.

• 52:09Speaker 02

  I would gag. Like speaking of Starstruck, if I saw her, I would be like, oh my God, that's crazy.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  That's Anna Delvey.

• 52:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  That, it, it, it is one of the most interesting stories I've ever heard. And Julia Gardner, who plays her in that, I'm so obsessed with.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. She's really, really good.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  She was supposed to be Madonna in the Madonna biopic and then it like all fell apart.

• 52:30Speaker 02

  I saw that she's trying to like bring it back.

• 52:32Speaker 01

  I need, do you wa, do you like music biopics?

• 52:37Speaker 02

  I really liked Walk the Line.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  I've been told that that is the one I need to see.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  It's a really good movie.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  It's about Johnny Cash, right?

• 52:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. That's like maybe one of the only ones that I've seen.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  Okay, let me put you on.

• 52:49Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 52:49Speaker 01

  Love and Mercy.

• 52:51Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 52:51Speaker 01

  The Beach Boys doc.

• 52:52Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 52:52Speaker 01

  Or biopic, the best thing I've ever seen in my entire life.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  Really?

• 52:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:57Speaker 02

  And it's like scripted, like performed, it's not a documentary.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's Paul Dano's in it, John Cusack is in it, and Elizabeth Banks is in it.

• 53:03Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 53:04Speaker 01

  And it takes, and Paul Giamatti's in it. And it takes place over when he, Brian Wilson is creating pet, do you like the Beach Boys?

• 53:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:11Speaker 01

  It's when he's creating pet sounds. And then, like twenty, thirty years later, when he's like a paranoid schizophrenic and he's under this conservatorship, and this woman, like essentially this car dealership woman who he ended up marrying in real life, like saves him.

• 53:27Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 53:27Speaker 01

  It's fascinating.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  And that really happened?

• 53:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, it really happened. Her name was, I think, Melinda. And he, basically, Brian Wilson was in, cause he, like, the reason his pet sounds was so good is cause he was schizophrenic, so like he heard music in his mind and like had to like, like throat, like, like, he, like, he couldn't, he like, right Nolan, like he like saw music. And it was like, and so, like, he kind of like went a little crazy. And he fell under the guise of this, like, therapist, who essentially became his conservator and like took complete control of him and like abused him.

• 54:09Speaker 02

  Really?

• 54:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:11Speaker 02

  Wow, and that's all in the movie?

• 54:12Speaker 01

  All in the movie.

• 54:13Speaker 02

  What's it called?

• 54:13Speaker 01

  Uh, Love and Mercy.

• 54:14Speaker 02

  Love and Mercy.

• 54:15Speaker 01

  And there's a great song he wrote called Love and Mercy.

• 54:17Speaker 02

  Have you seen The Jinx?

• 54:20Speaker 01

  I saw The Jinx in real time.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 54:24Speaker 01

  I saw The Jinx, I remember that Sunday, I think it was, it came out, and watching it live when he said, I killed them all.

• 54:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:32Speaker 01

  I literally went to school the next day and I was like, you guys, I just saw the craziest thing I've ever experienced in my entire life.

• 54:39Speaker 02

  That was like, gotta be some of the best TV of all time.

• 54:41Speaker 01

  Ever, ever.

• 54:42Speaker 02

  Hmm, I'm trying to think of what else I have seen that you might like. There's some like really crazy documentaries. Have you seen The Woman Who Wasn't There?

• 54:50Speaker 01

  No.

• 54:51Speaker 02

  Okay, I mean, it sort of like gives it away in the title, but it's about a woman who survived nine eleven.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  Oh, I've heard about this and she like went on Oprah and stuff, right?

• 54:59Speaker 02

  I think she did. And then, the title.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  She wasn't actually there. Is it on HBO or something?

• 55:06Speaker 02

  I don't remember what it's on, but that's crazy. Like, that was a crazy one.

• 55:10Speaker 01

  Well, before we do the Tell Me What's Wrong, what are you therapist about today?

• 55:14Speaker 02

  I haven't really been able to like, eat properly. Like, that's my hangover. Do you, I feel like people with hangovers, it's like you either wake up and you have like a crazy elaborate like breakfast, or you like can't think about food.

• 55:27Speaker 01

  Ever.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  I'm that. I can't think about food.

• 55:30Speaker 01

  I'm the same way. I like can't eat for twenty-four hours.

• 55:32Speaker 02

  Yes, so I'm excited to maybe eat lunch. And I'm kind of pissed that, um, that I haven't been able to eat yet.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm sorry.

• 55:42Speaker 02

  It's okay, it's fine.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  Do you know what you're gonna have for lunch?

• 55:45Speaker 02

  No, I don't know. See, that's the thing, nothing really sounds good.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  I had a Jimmy John's Turkey Tom, and it was amazing.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  I've never had that before. I don't know what that is.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  Do you like sandwiches?

• 55:54Speaker 02

  I love.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  It's the best sandwich in the entire world.

• 55:56Speaker 02

  Jimmy John's Turkey Tom?

• 55:57Speaker 01

  Jimmy John's Turkey Tom with jalapenos.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  Okay, wow.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  And it's just turkey, like, like, very like crunchy iceberg lettuce.

• 56:05Speaker 02

  Yum.

• 56:06Speaker 01

  And, um, mayonnaise and, um, jalapenos. And the bread tastes like if you bought cardboard and used that as the bread. So it tastes like cardboard. And it's the best thing I've ever had in my entire life.

• 56:21Speaker 02

  How does it compare to Subway?

• 56:24Speaker 01

  Literally shits on Subway and sets it on fire.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  Cause I love Subway.

• 56:28Speaker 01

  Really? Oh, then Jimmy John's, like, you'll eat Jimmy John's and you'll be like, how on earth did I ever eat Subway?

• 56:34Speaker 02

  Okay, cool. I'll give it a go.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  I love live music, but I have such a hard time being around large crowds. I really, really wanna go in the pit, dance with everyone and let loose, but I low-key start having a panic attack. It's also way too loud for me. I use earplugs, but still, I wanna experience what everyone else does. Any tips?

• 56:52Speaker 02

  Hmm. You know what? I think the best place to stand at a show is, is get a floor seat, like, so you're standing on the floor, but go to the back of the floor. Because there's so much room back there. Cause there's like capacity limits of how many people they can have in the floor. So sure, it might be really, really, really hectic towards the front of the stage, but at the back, like kind of by the front of house where they're mixing the show and stuff like that, it's a dream. You have so much space. You can like dance, you have, you know what I mean?

• 57:19Speaker 01

  I would say if you're in LA, go to a concert at the Forum, cause they have that back. You know when the, they'll do like the, the general like standing?

• 57:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  And there's a back to it and I always see people running around in circles.

• 57:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  When I was at Lord, people were just like running around and dancing. It was like the most beautiful thing I've ever seen.

• 57:37Speaker 02

  You don't feel trapped at all and like you'll be fine.

• 57:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. One of my best friends is getting married in September, but when I saw her recently, she randomly blurted out to me that she doesn't want me to get, she doesn't want to get married. She said she thinks she would be making the worst mistake of her life. They've also been trying to get pregnant and I'm not sure what to do. I texted her afterwards and tried to ask if that was really what she wanted, or if she wanted it out, and she just responded a week later with engagement photos. I'm not, that is so funny. I'm not sure what to do as her best friend because it sounds like a cry for help, but she's going along with it anyways.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  You can't save someone that doesn't wanna be saved.

• 58:10Speaker 02

  Tea. Yeah, I mean, I, I find it really shocking when people are like, when there's a couple who it's like, yeah, we're either gonna get married or we're gonna break up kind of thing, or like one person wants to get married and the other one doesn't or something. I'm like, how are you that deep into the relationship where one of you is considering marriage? Like, for the rest of your life, and the other person is not sure or doesn't know if they wanna, I'm like, I don't know if that's gonna work. Like, I don't know if this is how, maybe this is idealistic or something, but I feel like marriage is something that you should both arrive at together, like kind of at the same time.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  A thousand percent.

• 58:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't, I'm, I'm concerned for this person.

• 58:48Speaker 01

  Scary. Do you see yourself getting married?

• 58:51Speaker 02

  I didn't really think about marriage ever because like, because it was illegal when I was like, coming out and stuff. I never really like let myself want it, I don't think. I was like, oh, that's like not for me. I definitely wanna be in a long-term relationship. Like, I think I, I wanna partner like, for a long time. But, um, the actual like marriage thing is not that important to me. I will say though, so all my friends in Australia, like, they all got married when we were like, young. Like, you know, early twenties kind of vibe. It's that vibe there. Um, and then I felt nothing because I was like, oh, I'm like, on such a different track of life from them and like I'm kind of living in the US and I'm, you know, whatever. I'm like gay, I'm surrounded by people who are not married and whatever.

• 59:30Speaker 02

  And then, um, I started to feel the pressure for the first time when I started to go to like, music peers weddings.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  Well, we have one coming up.

• 59:43Speaker 02

  We do, we do. And it's like, yeah, like seeing like Charlie get married and Dua get married and stuff. I'm like, oh, fuck. Like, my whole like excuse of like, oh, I'm really busy. Like, I'm nowhere near as busy as either of them. And they managed to make it work. So now I kind of am feeling it a little where I'm like, okay, maybe I should try and lock this down somehow.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  I mean, that's, I, I feel the same exact way. I've never had a boyfriend, so.

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  Never?

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  I, ever. And it makes me feel horrendous.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  Do you want one?

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  See, I thought I did. I've, I've always been like, I want a boyfriend, I want a boyfriend, I want a boyfriend. But then when I finally give myself a second to sit and think about it, I'm like, I don't know if I can commit myself to someone like that. Like, I'm the worst on dates, I'm the worst listener.

• 1:00:29Speaker 02

  Do you get crushes?

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

  I, my crushes go so manic, and the only thing that gets me out of a crush is the song In My Head by Ariana Grande.

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  Wait, how does that one go?

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  Look at you, boy, I invented you.

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  Gucci tennis shoes, running from your issues.

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  So cute.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  It's the best song of all time. Louise was like, was crashing out over this guy, like crashing out. And we went on one date and I just like, saw the rest of my life with him and Louise, and no song would make me feel better. I was seen to Luke Combs the entire week.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Wait, but why is that a bad thing? That you had a crush on this guy?

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  Because he was like, I don't want to see you. And I was like, it's my, it's me, it's I'm the worst. He was everything. I fucked it up cause I was so drunk and like I fucked it up, I fucked it up. And Louise was like, have you ever heard the song In My Head by Ariana Grande? And I was like, no. And she said, you invented him. You made him up in your head.

• 1:01:17Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:01:18Speaker 01

  And that was the song that literally got me through everything.

• 1:01:23Speaker 02

  Crazy, yeah.

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  My final question for you, what is a song for you that has gotten you through some of like the hardest times of your life?

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  I don't know why. It's, this is the first song that came into my head. Cause I think, I have a lot of songs that have done that for me, but, um,

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  Ribs by Lord.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:46Speaker 02

  That was just like the first song that popped into my head. I think it's like, one of the best songs ever, one of the most beautiful songs of all time. And I just remember like when it first came out where I was and like,

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  yeah, I, I still could listen to that song. Like, I think I could listen to that song every day and like be happy.

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  I feel that way about your song. Could cry just thinking about you.

• 1:02:07Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. When I first heard it, I was like, oh, this song has changed my life.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:02:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I told you, when I was listening to Sex Star, I was like, I've never felt more seen in my life. Your music makes me feel so seen.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  Thank you, Jay.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  Of course. I love you too. Did you not just say I love you? Did I just say?

• 1:02:24Speaker 02

  No, no, I said it.

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  Oh, you did?

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  Okay. Aw. Well, Troy, what did we learn today?

• 1:02:30Speaker 02

  What did we learn today? We learnt, um.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  You can podcast hungover.

• 1:02:34Speaker 02

  Well, you can't save someone that doesn't wanna be saved.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  Exactly. That's what we learned. You can't save someone that doesn't wanna be saved.

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Well, Troy, thank you for coming on Therapist.

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  Thanks for having me.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  This was so fun.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  So fun.

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  I love you.

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  Love you. Bye pussies.

• 1:03:05Speaker 00

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