Session 136: Kaia Gerber Returns

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• 0:11Speaker 00

  Hi pussies, welcome back to Therapist. Tonight, we have on my dear, dear, dear friend, my best friend, Kaia Gerber, who is an absolute vision in Ryan Murphy's The Shards, which is out August 5th, so today. It is based on the Bret Easton Ellis novel of the same name. So I'm so grateful that there's a show for it now that is so amazing. I got to see the first two episodes and I got to watch them with her and it was really, I don't think she knew how special that was for me. I felt like I was watching such great television with the person who made it. And it was a really, really special moment for me and I just think she is so incredible. She is such a loyal, funny, kind, talented friend.

• 0:55Speaker 00

  And I had so much fun filming this episode with her. We got to talk about all of our stories that we've had and I'm just so proud of her. And you guys are going to be so gagged by her in The Shards. It is so, so, so incredible. It is like 80s sexy murder, Los Angeles, anything you could want in a television show, anything you could want in a Ryan Murphy show, it is there. It is amazing. Please go watch it. I also got the pleasure of hanging out with the entire cast, Hayes, Graham, Igby, Homer. They're, I love you all. Please go stream The Shards. The first two episodes are out now. Once again, they are incredible. Kaia, I am so proud of you. I love you.

• 1:41Speaker 00

  Thank you for coming on Therapist to promote it.

• 1:45Speaker 00

  I love you pussies. Enjoy the episode.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  I'm nervous.

• 1:50Speaker 00

  What?

• 1:51Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:51Speaker 00

  Why? This was like the one I was least nervous about.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  No, I'm actually not.

• 1:55Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  It's fine.

• 1:56Speaker 00

  Well, let's cheers.

• 1:58Speaker 00

  Cheers to, okay, I have a few things to cheers to. Cheers to The Shards coming out August 5th on FX, which Kaia stars in. And I got to see the first two episodes last night. It was amazing. I got to watch them with Kaia. And it was amazing. You were amazing. You were amazing.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  I just have to say the fact that you weren't on your phone was...

• 2:16Speaker 00

  I know.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  I've never seen you not on your phone.

• 2:17Speaker 00

  I got a little emotional.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  You did? When?

• 2:19Speaker 00

  Well, there was a point, there was some gay stuff.

• 2:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:22Speaker 00

  And I just started crying, but I was just like, oh my God, I can't believe I get to watch this with you right now.

• 2:28Speaker 01

  I loved watching it with you. Very than 500 Lolas.

• 2:31Speaker 00

  500, 500. But normally I would be so anxious to watch someone, but you're so talented and incredible that it was...

• 2:37Speaker 01

  Ugh.

• 2:38Speaker 00

  Well.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  I feel sick, but I love you.

• 2:40Speaker 00

  I love you more.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  Thanks for having me back.

• 2:42Speaker 00

  Oh my God, you're always welcome back. Cheers, eyes. See, the thing about Kaia is she watches the show. So I didn't even need to say eyes, but I did anyway.

• 2:53Speaker 01

  I need this.

• 2:56Speaker 00

  We have a few, well, we have multiple, multiple things to cover. The last time you were on here was, was what? What had we done?

• 3:05Speaker 01

  It was a year ago. It was right after Portland.

• 3:08Speaker 00

  Okay, so we hadn't gone to Austin.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  No, we hadn't gone to Austin. We hadn't gone to Mexico. We hadn't done New York together.

• 3:16Speaker 00

  We hadn't done New York and we hadn't gone out for Halloween.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Stop, I forgot about Halloween.

• 3:21Speaker 00

  The cursed night.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  That was, that was actually a cursed night.

• 3:24Speaker 00

  But it was one of the best nights of my life.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  It was so much fun, but it was, that was fully a cursed night.

• 3:30Speaker 00

  And then I woke up at yours.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 3:31Speaker 00

  Got a last minute invite to a gala.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Oh my God, that was a bad day.

• 3:35Speaker 00

  Back up at the gala.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  We were, we got home, I think at 5:00 AM.

• 3:39Speaker 00

  6:00.

• 3:41Speaker 01

  Totally got home. We got home at 6:00 AM.

• 3:44Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  You fell asleep. You made us, no, you made us watch...

• 3:48Speaker 00

  Baddies.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  Baddies. So I'm not really in a state to be retaining information at that point. And you're explaining baddies to me, who everyone is, there's one with the pacifier, they're getting in... There is.

• 4:01Speaker 00

  Chris Shawn. I was showing her Baddies South, which is the best season of Baddies.

• 4:05Speaker 01

  They're getting in violent, violent fights, which when the sun is rising and I'm still dressed as Little Edie and you're dressed as role model, it's just, it was really just a lot of information to take in.

• 4:17Speaker 00

  Speaking of Little Edie, I actually finally understand your Halloween costume. Kaia kept telling me about her Halloween costume. Oh, you see, I'm not listening.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  No, of course.

• 4:25Speaker 00

  And then suddenly I see a TikTok about the gray ladies.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  Gray Gardens.

• 4:30Speaker 00

  Gray Gardens.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  Yep. You should, honestly, it is your, like, I think you would appreciate it.

• 4:35Speaker 00

  And what's it about exactly? It's about two women that live in a old...

• 4:39Speaker 01

  It's a mother, daughter that live in this sort of like, it's a beautiful home, but it's sort of falling apart. And it's in like various states of deterioration.

• 4:48Speaker 00

  It's very much falling apart.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. And they're, they're so funny and their relationship is incredible. And, and then a lot of people who didn't know the documentary, then Bill Hader and Fred Armisen did a bit where they were playing the mother and daughter.

• 5:04Speaker 00

  Oh, that's amazing.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. So it's, it's, but it's incredible. So that's what I, yeah, that's what I went as for Halloween and you were role model.

• 5:10Speaker 00

  And we went with some of your cast members from The Shards.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 5:13Speaker 00

  Who we spent so much time with while you guys were shooting.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  It's weird watching The Shards because you feel like such an integral part of that experience for me, but you're not on the show, which will change obviously.

• 5:25Speaker 00

  Right, Ryan.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Ryan.

• 5:26Speaker 00

  And...

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Ryan, what about Ryan?

• 5:28Speaker 00

  Ryan.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  Ryan, listen here.

• 5:30Speaker 00

  But I spent so much time with you guys. You guys were, you guys are so close.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  I know. Isn't that crazy? Cause when you embark on a six month job with, I've never had a job that long with a group of people my age.

• 5:45Speaker 00

  Right.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  And I was like, this can either be incredible and I'll have best friends for life, or I'm gonna hate them and be miserable.

• 5:55Speaker 00

  And thank God for the former.

• 5:57Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 5:58Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 5:58Speaker 01

  That was...

• 6:02Speaker 00

  Library science.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  I thought you pointed to the wine.

• 6:04Speaker 00

  No, library science.

• 6:05Speaker 01

  It honestly, it was the, I tell people, like, we wrapped, we were together for 16 hours every single day. Then on weekends, we'd hang out, cause a lot of them were from New York and didn't, like, this was a location shoot.

• 6:19Speaker 00

  You really helped lead the charge on like, okay, we're, like, I remember that time when I watched this show. Now, all I can think about is going to your house, pre-gaming with everybody, going out. You guys would all talk about set that day. I'd be like...

• 6:33Speaker 01

  Honestly, it was annoying, but I think that's part of the reason we started to bond so much is I was like, my whole life is filming this show, so I don't really have anything to say outside of what I've been experiencing on set. And I'm very aware that that's so boring and uninteresting. You were, you did, but like for someone who's not an actor, it's a very boring thing to hear about. So we kind of just all gravitated towards each other, cause I was like, you're the only people that will put up with me, like, talking.

• 7:01Speaker 00

  About.

• 7:02Speaker 01

  About The Shards for six months.

• 7:03Speaker 00

  It's like you're like in summer camp and it's like, kids in summer camp. And then everyone's like, well, I didn't go to camp with you, so I don't give a shit about these camp stories.

• 7:09Speaker 01

  Exactly. And I was like, well, I don't have a life outside of this, so I don't have anything interesting to say other than about my experience doing this. But we wrapped filming and the next night, everyone, like, the people who lived in New York hadn't gone home yet. And we all got dinner with each other and we were sitting at dinner. And I looked around and I was like, the fact that we no longer have to be in each other's presence, but are choosing to. And we all have so much love for each other and we fight. I've never had friends until now that you can like fight like family with and still love each other. And that, like, that's who they are to me. Like, we fucking drove each other insane.

• 7:44Speaker 00

  Well, you guys were on set for...

• 7:45Speaker 01

  Insane. You see each other at their absolute best, crushing it and at their absolute worst. And grumpy and tired and night shoots and all of the things and we all really still love each other.

• 7:55Speaker 00

  And you know what? You can read that chemistry off the screen.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  Really?

• 7:59Speaker 00

  Yes. And I, it was fun for me to see, oh my God, that was, well, there was a night shoot that I was supposed to come visit on, that I didn't visit on.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, why? What happened?

• 8:10Speaker 00

  I, well, I, I don't leave my house unless Kaia makes me.

• 8:14Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 8:15Speaker 00

  And the one time I did leave my house, I got a role in a movie, cause she made me leave. So I should leave more.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  I'm so excited for that, for Wishful Thinking to come out.

• 8:23Speaker 00

  I know. Me too.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  It's, it's my favorite performance that everyone in that movie has ever given.

• 8:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's so good.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  And we have to talk about Eric, who I think is one of the funniest people.

• 8:32Speaker 00

  Well, he's in Matty's Secret, which I'm desperate, I'm desperate to see it. We have to watch it.

• 8:38Speaker 01

  I think no one makes me laugh harder than Eric. You and Eric are up there.

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  Eric.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  Honestly, and Kate, brilliant.

• 8:44Speaker 00

  Oh, she's so good. And John Early.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  Have you seen the, the sketch that they do where they're like in a gift shop or something? And, and they're both like, have that, oh yeah, that's cool, have that, yeah, I have that.

• 8:54Speaker 00

  No, where's that from?

• 8:55Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I have five of the, it's the funniest. I don't, Lou?

• 9:01Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  Isn't it great to have an expert here?

• 9:03Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  It's so funny. I think you would love it.

• 9:06Speaker 00

  I know John Early from Search Party.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  And you know what? Fun fact, one of our writers on our show, Charles Rogers, created Search Party.

• 9:15Speaker 00

  Oh, my God. Yes, I forgot about that.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  And I'm such a fan of Search Party. Also, isn't that where Cola Scola really like got their start?

• 9:22Speaker 00

  Yes, because they kidnapped, sorry, spoiler alert, the main character.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 9:27Speaker 00

  Because there's like a super stalker fan and it is one of the funniest fucking things.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  I'm such a fan of that show and I'm such a fan of Cole's. And then when I heard that Charles was writing on the shards, I was like, oh, my God, this is so exciting. And it was really fun knowing Charles's sensibility and like his sense of humor than to read the scripts. I would be like, I know that's a Charles line. And it helped me sort of understand our show a little bit more.

• 9:52Speaker 00

  Well, the shards is funny. What the shards gets right is it's scary and funny.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  Scary and funny and sexy and gay.

• 9:58Speaker 00

  And sexy and gay.

• 9:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:00Speaker 00

  And I think that's what's coming back.

• 10:01Speaker 01

  Scary, funny, sexy, gay?

• 10:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, like Widows Bay. Well, Widows Bay doesn't have the gay stuff, but.

• 10:06Speaker 01

  But Widows Bay feels gay to me.

• 10:09Speaker 00

  It is gay.

• 10:09Speaker 01

  It's gay, right? But I don't know why.

• 10:12Speaker 00

  It's because it's scary and funny, which is inherently gay. Which is inherently gay.

• 10:18Speaker 01

  We, Meg will be doing Oh, Mary, speaking of Cola Scola.

• 10:23Speaker 00

  Oh, my God, and you have to wear the hat. That is my favorite hat of yours of all time.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  Oh, Oh, Mary, a new play by Cola Scola.

• 10:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's incredible.

• 10:31Speaker 00

  It's pretty amazing. Kai gets compliments on it everywhere we go.

• 10:34Speaker 01

  It does make me feel very cool. I literally went on the merch website and bought it. It wasn't like an opening night hat. Like I just, I went to that show. Did you see Cole do that play?

• 10:42Speaker 00

  No, I, no.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  It's okay. It's okay.

• 10:44Speaker 00

  No.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  They'll come back, I'm sure.

• 10:46Speaker 00

  Will they?

• 10:47Speaker 01

  I don't know. They did it for, I think, a year because it was off Broadway. I saw it multiple times off. Then I went to opening night on Broadway and then I went like four more times and Cole, I think it was my seventh time going and Cole was like, you need to stop coming here.

• 11:01Speaker 00

  Right.

• 11:02Speaker 01

  Like I was the psycho stalker.

• 11:04Speaker 00

  That Cole plays in Search Party.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  Get out of here. I said, I can't get enough.

• 11:08Speaker 00

  I just, what I'm so excited to see Meg do in it is like, from what I've heard, because I haven't seen it, is that every different Mary is able to bring their like own improv to it. So like Maya Rudolph was like Maya Rudolph as Mary. Cola Scola was Cola Scola as Mary.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 11:26Speaker 00

  And Meg Stalter is going to be Meg Stalter as Mary, which is my dream.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  I know I've said this to you, Meg Stalter is our Andy Kaufman and you cannot argue me on that. It's such intellectual humor, in my opinion. Like you watch Meg on talk shows with incredible comedians and they cannot.

• 11:45Speaker 00

  Keep up with her.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  Keep up with her or decipher her. It's really amazing to see. Like I just think that Meg's brain is unbelievable.

• 11:52Speaker 00

  And we got to be a part of that brain when we dressed up as Tim McGraw and Faith Hill.

• 11:57Speaker 01

  We, you know what?

• 11:58Speaker 00

  We do so much together, by the way.

• 12:00Speaker 01

  That didn't, I felt like that sort of came and went, but it felt really important, maybe just personally because it was our first time making out.

• 12:07Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  No, it wasn't actually.

• 12:09Speaker 00

  I was about to say, that was not our first time making out.

• 12:11Speaker 01

  In front of a crowd.

• 12:12Speaker 00

  In front of a crowd.

• 12:13Speaker 01

  That was, that felt dystopian.

• 12:16Speaker 00

  It was the best night of my life.

• 12:17Speaker 01

  Can you paint the picture? Can you set the scene?

• 12:19Speaker 00

  Okay, so Meg texted us and was like, can you guys come? Okay, this, this goes back. This goes back. Meg was like, can you guys come to my Largo show, dress up as Faith Hill and Tim McGraw and sing your love? And we were like, yes. And then I got sick. And Kai was like, well, this doesn't work. If you need to be Tim McGraw, I need to be Faith Hill. I was like, we, we need to find another time to do this.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  Well, I had also spent the whole day embarrassingly going like, it's your love.

• 12:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, she knew every lyric.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  I was like trying to like learn the harmony. It's like I was really ready to go.

• 12:50Speaker 00

  You knew every lyric. I didn't know a single lyric.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  Of course you didn't. It's also called It's Your Love, not Your Love.

• 12:54Speaker 00

  Right.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  So it just goes to show.

• 12:55Speaker 00

  Goes to show.

• 12:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:56Speaker 00

  And then Meg was, is now releasing her new album and she was doing a DJ set where throughout the DJ set, she, she combs her hair and makes the audience look for her phone.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's the, it's actually the funniest thing.

• 13:10Speaker 00

  I was in tears. Travis was there.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  They'll get really excited and then Meg will go, shh.

• 13:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  It's so funny.

• 13:17Speaker 00

  She's, I cannot wait to see her. I know, Mary.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  It's gonna be incredible. Oh, but and then we made out on stage.

• 13:22Speaker 00

  And then we made out on stage and everyone was like, ah, and I was like.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  You know what? We started the make out really early on in the song because we didn't know what to do. We were like slow dancing and I was like, let's just make out because I don't know what to do now. And then we made out, I think it was like a three minute. It was the longest make out I've had in a while.

• 13:40Speaker 00

  Right. Louis is here.

• 13:43Speaker 01

  By the way, sorry. I, I, I did ask. I said, is it okay?

• 13:48Speaker 00

  Louis, if there was anyone that it would, it would be me.

• 13:55Speaker 00

  He choked on the snacks.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  He choked on the healthy popcorn.

• 13:59Speaker 00

  He loves my snacks that I have here.

• 14:04Speaker 00

  We went to Mexico together.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Yes, you came on my family vacation.

• 14:08Speaker 00

  Which was the best experience of my life. I've never felt better in my body. My spray tan was tanned to the gods. I showed up.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  That's where we took the thirst trap of you that I feel like sort of sparked this era for you.

• 14:20Speaker 00

  So basically what had happened was.

• 14:22Speaker 01

  Did, who took that to Hayes?

• 14:24Speaker 00

  You did.

• 14:26Speaker 01

  I wasn't fishing. I actually forget.

• 14:28Speaker 00

  You did.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 14:29Speaker 00

  I, I got there. We had a lovely dinner and then I think from the travel, I was dehydrated and I remember I woke.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  Didn't everyone have stomach issues the first night?

• 14:39Speaker 00

  No, but mine was like, I threw up.

• 14:41Speaker 01

  You threw up in the trash can.

• 14:42Speaker 00

  I threw up in the trash can and Kai, and, and Kaia thought I had left the trash can in, so there was plastic over the trash can. But I kept telling Kaia like the trash can's still outside and she thought I threw up in the trash can without the plastic and she.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  Here's the thing. Okay, we were staying at my parents' house. They have, which I don't fully understand this, but my dad's super into like interior design and making everything look beautiful. So a lot of their trash cans are like leather trash bins.

• 15:09Speaker 00

  I threw up in the leather trash bin.

• 15:10Speaker 01

  So when you, and I didn't know they had put a trash bag in it. So the next morning Jake's like, I threw up in the trash can. And I'm like on the leather and he's like, yeah. And I was like, okay. And he's like, it's just sitting outside my room. Like I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do about. I've been with you for a lot of stomach.

• 15:28Speaker 00

  A lot of stomach issues.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  Um, because the last time we were together in New York.

• 15:38Speaker 00

  Kai met me for a drink and I had taken a shroom. And I shit my pants. No, you guys, you guys don't even understand. I said.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  The best part about it was that Jake, Jake did poop his pants. Yeah, but like I didn't know. So, so I'm sort of, I'm there. I just get there. We're all having a good time. He disappears into the bathroom for a while. I'm like.

• 16:03Speaker 00

  Peyton came with me and held my hand.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  And all of the sudden Jake, Jake looks at me and is like, I have, I have to go. I have to go. And I was like, wait, where are you going? I thought we were like having a night. He's like, I gotta go. You are running across, I think it was like West Houston.

• 16:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  You're running across lanes of traffic, getting into an Uber, Peyton screaming, Jake, no, Jake. And I'm like, what's going on? You didn't look back once. You slammed the door. You left. I get home a few hours later. You FaceTime me from bed. You've just woken up again.

• 16:33Speaker 00

  Oh, my God, I slept.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  You fell asleep. You woke up at 4:00 AM and you were like, I.

• 16:38Speaker 00

  I pooped in my pants.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  And I was like, Jake, I would, I would have helped you.

• 16:41Speaker 00

  There was no coming back.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  Sometimes if you poop your pants, that will ruin a night. It should ruin your night out. If it doesn't, then you have other issues.

• 16:48Speaker 00

  Right.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  Pooping pants ruins a night.

• 16:51Speaker 00

  We got there from the throw up and the, wow, God, my body just is not it these days.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  You got there from, yeah, yeah, you vomited.

• 16:59Speaker 00

  So I vomited first night in Cabo, but essentially I woke up and I was like,

• 17:05Speaker 00

  you know, I just spent the whole night throwing up, like my spray tan's on. I look awesome. I look awesome.

• 17:12Speaker 01

  Let's cut to the chase. I look amazing.

• 17:14Speaker 00

  So I was like, Kaia? And I just went.

• 17:19Speaker 00

  And we took a photo and people were just like, I didn't know you had the ability to look semi-good.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  That's not true. You looked amazing. You look amazing. I was also really astounded on that trip. There were a few things. Can I talk about what astounded me?

• 17:30Speaker 00

  Talk about, mention it all.

• 17:31Speaker 01

  Okay, here's what I was really astounded by. You wanted to go in the ocean all the time.

• 17:39Speaker 00

  All the time.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  But that's surprising.

• 17:41Speaker 00

  The ocean was warm and inviting.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  It was, but I just was sort of like, you didn't strike, I thought you'd be on your phone, maybe like in the shade a little in the sun. But you wanted to be on the beach and in the ocean 24/7 and I loved that.

• 17:55Speaker 00

  And I was having photo shoots. Well, I was having photo shoots constantly on my phone.

• 17:59Speaker 01

  You and Hayes were going down to the beach to do photo shoots.

• 18:02Speaker 00

  I was doing my, can I say, I actually think that's when my Instagram dump started.

• 18:09Speaker 01

  No.

• 18:10Speaker 00

  Kaia, it was.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  By the way, who do I ask for advice about an Instagram dump?

• 18:14Speaker 00

  Me.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  You?

• 18:15Speaker 00

  And it started during that trip. I started like, kind of like putting them together and I was having a lot of fun with it.

• 18:21Speaker 01

  You're, you're so good at it because I know that they take effort, but yours feel effortless.

• 18:27Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  But I feel like you're also intentional about taking photos that fit inside of the dump.

• 18:33Speaker 00

  You want to know my favorite dump of all time?

• 18:35Speaker 01

  What?

• 18:35Speaker 00

  Is the library science, was, is that library science merch? Drop Dead?

• 18:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's for you, Drop Dead.

• 18:42Speaker 00

  And that's my favorite Instagram dump of all time. And I did it to Enviro the Sun's concert pitch.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  How do you choose a song?

• 18:49Speaker 00

  I keep it authentic to who I am. What am I listening to right now?

• 18:53Speaker 01

  You're not trying to be like, cool.

• 18:55Speaker 00

  And I find myself trying to be cool.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  And it's, it's

• 18:58Speaker 00

  Sometimes it works, but the best ones are always the ones that come most naturally to me.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  Can I say also, not to bring it back to the shards, but you were adding all of the songs in the first two episodes last night. Cause how good is the music?

• 19:12Speaker 00

  The music is amazing.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  It's so good.

• 19:15Speaker 00

  It's amazing. It's one of my favorite parts of the show.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  It's, it's incredible. They got, they, they got every song you could ever want from 1981. It's unbelievable. I was listening to that music the whole time we were filming and I haven't gotten sick of it. It's so fun. I have more things I want to talk to you about.

• 19:30Speaker 00

  What? We went to Austin?

• 19:31Speaker 01

  We went to Austin. We went to a football game. Oh, the other thing that, um, it didn't surprise me because we'd already been to Austin. But when we went to that party in Mexico, the way that sorority girls in floral dresses,

• 19:46Speaker 00

  Those are my people.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  As I like to describe them, are your people and also approach you as though they, um, really know you?

• 19:52Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 19:53Speaker 01

  And I kind of, I felt a little jealous. Like I was like, that's, no, my friend.

• 19:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, I remember you were like, okay, Jake.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  Cause you're so nice, but it's just, the parasocial relationship is really interesting. Cause like even in Austin, like Glenn went to that school and is an alum and we were at his fraternity and we ultimately got trampled, um, so that people could get to you.

• 20:17Speaker 00

  Right. And I cut, remember I cut my lip on the, on the, on the beer can? You guys, I was shocked. Oh my God, Louise, you were there.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, Louise was there.

• 20:25Speaker 00

  Louise was there.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  No, we, it was my first time shotgunning. Was it your first time? No, you went to college.

• 20:30Speaker 00

  Well,

• 20:31Speaker 01

  It was my first time in a fraternity.

• 20:33Speaker 00

  I know. Very dirty.

• 20:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:36Speaker 00

  But it was like, it was, it was a vibe.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  I didn't, I didn't see all the grime and stuff. I mean, there were so many people there. I was sort of just like, wow, this is what college would have been like.

• 20:44Speaker 00

  And then I, I cut my, I thought I was like really feeling myself and I like did a shotgun. I was walking through, people were like, oh my God, Jake. And someone goes, your lip's bleeding. My lip was dripping blood.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  Mind you, Jake's surrounded by like 200 sorority girls at this point. And I look over at him and he looks like he was just punched in the face. Like his blood down his whole, like possession.

• 21:04Speaker 00

  And they were like, hey, your lip's bleeding. And it was giving that same energy of, when, do you remember when I was doing the Sharpie thing and the Sharpie fell all over my face?

• 21:11Speaker 01

  Wait, it was after, you were on Broadway?

• 21:13Speaker 00

  I was on Broadway.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  Do you talk about that a lot? Cause I would.

• 21:17Speaker 00

  I do.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  Here's a question for you.

• 21:19Speaker 00

  I do.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  Here's a question. Do you, have you seen videos of yourself doing the show at all?

• 21:25Speaker 00

  No, because you are not allowed to record the show during.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  But sometimes they do a recording and then they'll like,

• 21:32Speaker 00

  I've never seen it.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  I think this is why I love doing theater.

• 21:36Speaker 00

  Tell me.

• 21:37Speaker 01

  Here's why.

• 21:38Speaker 00

  You actually, by the way, do a lot of it.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 21:41Speaker 00

  You do a lot of it. You were in a play?

• 21:43Speaker 01

  I just did a random reading and you came. That was so sweet.

• 21:46Speaker 00

  And then we had the most lovely day.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  I know. It was the best day.

• 21:49Speaker 00

  And we got a, we got diner food after and we just had the most magical day.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  But you are like the most supportive friend in the world. You're so supportive and you have genuine, genuine happiness for other people's success, which is, it's not performative. Like I, it's so rare and I, I'm, I'm sorry to be earnest, but like anything, something exciting happens for me. I sort of have an instinct to be like, push it down. Don't make it about you. Like it'll go away.

• 22:12Speaker 00

  Right, right, right.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  And then you'll like post it.

• 22:16Speaker 00

  Because I'm so proud of you. The other day I was walking down the street. I was on the phone with Will and Will goes, oh, that's Kaya. I look at him and it's you.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  I know, but it's really sweet and it's crazy and it doesn't, you don't get used to it. And so like having someone else validate success for you is really lovely. And I also try to do that for you. Cause

• 22:34Speaker 00

  You do do that for me.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  No, but you, but anyways, back to the reason we do theater. Here's why, here's why we do theater. Because you do the show. And no one in their right mind's going to come up to you after and be like, you sucked. So everyone comes up to you after and they're like, you were transcendent.

• 22:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's my favorite part.

• 22:54Speaker 01

  And so you are on a high, right? Cause you're like, that was, I did something transcendent and you just, and you believe them.

• 22:59Speaker 00

  Everyone's cheering.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  You believe them. They're cheering for you, but they ha, they have to, but it doesn't matter. Cause they're doing it. And then you can't prove them otherwise. Cause you can't watch it back. So they tell you, you're amazing and you believe them.

• 23:14Speaker 00

  Right.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  But when you do a show or you do a movie, people will be like, that was great. Or the director's like, great, let's move on. And then you watch it and you go, in fact, that was not great.

• 23:25Speaker 00

  Right.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  So the wonderful thing about theater is how fleeting it is. And so you believe people when they tell you, you were great.

• 23:32Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Right?

• 23:33Speaker 00

  That's when my dad told me to never do it again.

• 23:36Speaker 01

  Why?

• 23:36Speaker 00

  He was like, cause you're gonna get a bad review and it's gonna matter.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  Did you read reviews?

• 23:42Speaker 00

  There were none.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Why?

• 23:43Speaker 00

  Because it was a rotating cast. So I think the reviews came out with the first cast.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  That's, oh, that's amazing.

• 23:50Speaker 00

  And so we were the last cast and there was no reviews or anything.

• 23:55Speaker 01

  That's wonderful.

• 23:55Speaker 00

  It was amazing.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  I didn't, I didn't read reviews. Cause I was like, I have to do this every single night. I was not on Broadway. I'd like to, not, not that anyone thought that I was. I just like, I'd like to make it abundantly clear.

• 24:05Speaker 00

  A very intense play.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  And what did you do when you came to my very intense play?

• 24:11Speaker 00

  I brought baby dolls. Peyton and I brought baby dolls because we were hungover and we brought baby dolls and Kai said, what the fuck is going on?

• 24:17Speaker 01

  No, it was amazing. That, that theater, the Rogue Machine Theater in, here in LA is so wonderful and every play they do is so great. Oh, but I went yesterday for another reading of Will Arbery, a different play of Will Arbery's who wrote the play that I did.

• 24:29Speaker 00

  Is he the one that also wrote the play that you just did that I saw with Louis and your parents?

• 24:34Speaker 01

  No.

• 24:34Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 24:36Speaker 01

  Different.

• 24:37Speaker 00

  That person was in Scandal.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  I know. Bruce, wait, Bruce, right?

• 24:41Speaker 00

  Yes. I was literally, I was sitting during the play and we're watching, I'm, we're watching this reading and I'm like to Louis, I'm like, I think he's in Scandal. And Louis is like, really? And I'm like, yeah. And I think that's Tom from Scandal watching the play.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. You had all your people, all your fans were there.

• 24:59Speaker 00

  And I said, I went up to them after and I was like, were you in Scandal? And they were like, yes, Jake. Well, they didn't say my name because they had no idea who I was, but I said,

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Yes, Jake.

• 25:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. They said, yes, I was in Scandal.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  He's ama, Bruce is amazing. I, I was so excited to do that play because he was in it and the play was great. But no, this was a different, different playwright. His name's Will Arbery. And they did this thing, I was sitting next to Will yesterday where they played a like short documentary they made about him and his writing in the theater. And I'm, it starts playing and it's him and he's like, oh no. And I'm like laughing. I'm like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Cut to a segment about the show that we did. Then they start playing clips from the play, which I've never seen, I've never had to see any of that play. So I didn't know what it looked like. I didn't know what they were doing when I wasn't on stage. And I definitely didn't want to know or hear what I sounded like when I was singing every night. And they,

• 25:49Speaker 00

  She had a beautiful voice. What song were you singing again?

• 25:53Speaker 01

  Angel from Montgomery, Bonnie Raitt version.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  That is one of my favorite songs.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  By the way, if you have to sing a song every night, that's a great song because you don't get sick of it. It's a beautiful song. But I'm not Bonnie Raitt and I'm not a singer. And I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna get through it every night. And I would do this thing before I had to go out with my last scene and I, I had been screaming the whole play.

• 26:14Speaker 00

  You do scream. She screams the whole play.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  I screamed the whole time. I do a lot of scream work actually. And I'm pretty good at screaming.

• 26:20Speaker 00

  You're really good at it.

• 26:21Speaker 01

  It's screaming is hard.

• 26:22Speaker 00

  You scream in the shards?

• 26:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:24Speaker 00

  Okay. I'm so excited.

• 26:27Speaker 00

  If you guys know me, you know, I struggle deeply, deeply, deeply with OCD and I have since I was seven years old. OCD can look like a lot of things. It can look like being cleanly, but it can also look like being incredibly messy. Um, it has a lot of intrusive thoughts. You can, it's a lot of ritualistic behavior. I have magical thinking OCD and compulsion OCD and, um, confession OCD. And one of the things that's really helped me is exposure therapy. Luckily we have resources to help with OCD. NoCD is the world's leading treatment provider for OCD. All their licensed therapists specialize in ERP therapy, which is exposure response prevention therapy,

• 27:08Speaker 00

  which is proven to be the most effective treatment for OCD. It's very helpful to expose yourself to being uncomfortable and like sitting in those thoughts. It's like really one of the only ways I've found to help get through it. Therapy by NoCD is a hundred percent virtual and covered by insurance for over a hundred 38 million Americans. It also includes support between sessions. So you never have to face OCD alone, which can be very scary and very isolated. To learn more about starting OCD therapy with NoCD, you can go to nocd.com/jake and book a free call with their team today. That's nocd.com/jake. Thank you again, NoCD for working with me. It means a lot to me and I'm sure if I can help at least one person, then I've done my job.

• 27:49Speaker 00

  It is summer, which means it is time to go outside and see live music, live comedy, theater, whatever live event you can find. Please go see it. Seeing live events is like one of the last pillars of community we have left. SeatGeek is the best place to get tickets for any live event because it rates tickets on a scale from one to 10. One being not the best, 10 being the best. You can also use my code therapist for 10% off. And if you download the app from the link in the description, it automatically applies the code therapist for 10% off. It's baseball season now and you can go see baseball. You can go see some of your favorite comedians are on tour. I just saw John Mulaney just announced a few tour dates.

• 28:32Speaker 00

  Nikki Glaser is on a big tour. Ariana Grande is on tour. Gracie Abrams is going on tour. Ryan Beatty is going on tour. There is so many music festivals. There is such little time left in summer and so many things to see. I just saw Max Daultren, Oh Mary. You can get tickets for that on SeatGeek. It was one of the best experiences of my entire life. She was so fantastic and I love live theater. It's one of my favorite things in the entire world. You can use my code therapist for 10% off and thank you SeatGeek for sponsoring tonight's episode.

• 29:02Speaker 00

  I'm so excited. She has a wonderful scream.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 29:05Speaker 00

  A wonderful scream.

• 29:06Speaker 01

  I think everyone gets a good scream in on the shards. It's important. When you do Ryan Murphy's show, like, all you can hope for is that you end up screaming.

• 29:12Speaker 00

  Right.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  Um, but I would do this thing before I had to go out to sing where I would like, sorry, hawk a loogie, like a boxer.

• 29:19Speaker 00

  I did that right before you came on the show.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  Really?

• 29:21Speaker 00

  I felt it in my throat. I was like.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  Sometimes you just have to like. And spit.

• 29:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  And I would do it every single night. It became mostly a superstition where I was like, if I don't hawk my loogie, it's not, the song's not gonna come out.

• 29:33Speaker 00

  I get it. Are you superstitious?

• 29:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I think it's OCD more than superstition.

• 29:39Speaker 00

  Tell me.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  I have to say, I'm very happy about, um, how much you talk about OCD.

• 29:43Speaker 00

  I think you.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  Cause there's a lot of misconceptions about it, I think. Yeah.

• 29:47Speaker 00

  And as a reminder, Kaya listens to every episode. She'll text me every day. I'm listening to this episode.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  Here's my complaint.

• 29:52Speaker 00

  Yes, she'll give me, she'll give me notes.

• 29:54Speaker 01

  Well, no, you do one a week. It's not enough.

• 29:56Speaker 00

  And then, oh, Kaya, I can't.

• 29:57Speaker 01

  Because I have, no, it's more than enough for you, but I get annoyed because I want more and I've listened to all of them like four times and I just need, I need, even if you just wanna record yourself talking. By the way, my TikTok algorithm is just like Jake Shane best moments.

• 30:15Speaker 00

  Louis, are you having fun? Oh, also, I would like to say.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  What?

• 30:21Speaker 00

  Louis and I travel together at this point all the time.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  I know.

• 30:25Speaker 00

  We went to Austin together and then we went to Paris together. And then we didn't see each other.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  You went to Austin together? Oh, for South by?

• 30:33Speaker 00

  Yes, for South by.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:34Speaker 00

  I, we flew, did we fly there together, Louis? We flew back together. I'm, I was following him around with a camera and.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Here's a question.

• 30:44Speaker 00

  He was drinking milk.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  Here's a, he did.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  This is what I say about Louis. He's like milk fed.

• 30:51Speaker 00

  He loves milk.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  Milk fed boy.

• 30:54Speaker 00

  He was like, I was, he was, he was, he, he's either always eating cereal or drinking a thing of milk. Actually, every time. When we were in the, when we were going to Paris, he got yogurt.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  He loves his dairy. That boy.

• 31:08Speaker 00

  You do, Louis.

• 31:10Speaker 01

  He does. He, he asked me this and also I am curious. Oh, cause after Cabo, you abandoned me and my entire family when we had to do an emergency.

• 31:19Speaker 00

  Well, look, here's the thing. Let me, let me set the fucking scene.

• 31:23Speaker 01

  No, it's crazy.

• 31:24Speaker 00

  So, we were on a flight and it, and the LAX was closed. All of LAX was closed.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  There was smog.

• 31:31Speaker 00

  There was smog, so no plan could, no plane could land in an LAX. So, we had to land in San Diego. Your parents were the first ones to be like, peace.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  Oh, if you think my mom and I didn't get into a massive fight.

• 31:45Speaker 00

  I watched it happen. You were, you were like this, oh, you're leaving.

• 31:50Speaker 01

  I said, what about me? She was like, you're a grown up. I said, okay, Mrs. I called her Mrs. Caps for sale, cause she had like six, she had brought like six vacation hats and they were all piled on her head. Do you remember that book Caps for Sale?

• 32:01Speaker 00

  No.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  You don't. It was a children's book that was, this guy that would wear like 400 caps on his head and be Caps for Sale, Caps for Sale. So, I was like, okay, Caps for Sale.

• 32:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, they were in a big fight.

• 32:10Speaker 01

  Huge fight.

• 32:11Speaker 00

  And so, her parents were the first to get in the Uber from San Diego, San Diego to LA.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:17Speaker 00

  I was the second. And then Kaya was like, wait, so you're leaving, you're leaving my family trip without me?

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:24Speaker 00

  And I said, well, is your Uber on the way?

• 32:27Speaker 01

  She said, no, no, you didn't say anything. Similarly to when you pooped your pants. You got in the car without explanation, which is totally fine. And like, you, you live your life, but you got in the car and you just, and you just drove right away. And I was like, what happened to Mexico? Like, didn't we have a nice time in Mexico?

• 32:47Speaker 00

  We had, you know, I think about Mexico daily. I can't describe to you. I've never been on a vacation, vacation before where I was like, we were, but I felt so seen by you. I got there and Kaya's mom was like, so Kaya said you would probably want this room because you like a lot of alone time. You like to go back and forth between outside and inside.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  And I said, you want a room where you can control the thermostat, like have your own air conditioning, cause you like it very cold.

• 33:13Speaker 00

  And the room was very cold. And I got to, and all we did every day, we would, we would wake up and I, we'd walk outside and we'd lay out. They would read. And I would, um, go on my phone and listen to music and I would go swimming and I would tan and I would make my Instagram dumps.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  You would. Here's, I really, as I've gotten older, appreciate the way that my parents do vacation, which is like real vacation. There are no wake up at 8 a.m.

• 33:38Speaker 00

  Nothing, there's nothing.

• 33:39Speaker 01

  Swimming with the dolphin. Like, they are like, this is what we're gonna do. You can come or not. It's like actually meant to relax. There's no sightseeing. It's amazing.

• 33:49Speaker 00

  God, it was the best vacation of, it was one of the best vacations of my entire life.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  It was really so fun.

• 33:54Speaker 00

  When can we go back?

• 33:55Speaker 01

  Summer is too hot, but we can go back any other time that you want.

• 33:58Speaker 00

  Let's go back in October for my birthday.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  Are your teeth ever itchy?

• 34:01Speaker 00

  What? What do you mean itchy?

• 34:03Speaker 01

  Like my, my teeth have been, are itchy.

• 34:06Speaker 00

  Where? In your gum or in your tooth?

• 34:07Speaker 01

  All of it, whole thing.

• 34:09Speaker 00

  That's tingling. It's your nerves.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  What does that mean?

• 34:11Speaker 00

  It's like, do you have sinus pressure right now?

• 34:13Speaker 01

  No, I don't think so.

• 34:14Speaker 00

  What do you mean it's tingling? Is it up or down?

• 34:15Speaker 01

  It's not tingling, it's itchy. They're, they've been itchy for about a week. Like, like I wanna like itch them.

• 34:21Speaker 00

  Kaya?

• 34:21Speaker 01

  What does that mean?

• 34:22Speaker 00

  I have this thought in my head right now. Like, I am actually about to like go down real psychosis.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  Well, imagine how I've felt all week when my teeth have been itching me. Cause you can't go, you can't go like this. So, you're sort of like, sorry, sorry, sorry.

• 34:37Speaker 00

  I feel sick. We have to move on. What are you therapists about today?

• 34:40Speaker 01

  Um.

• 34:40Speaker 00

  Because by the way, I tried to get away with not asking that question last time and she said, I watched the show. Oh my God, my teeth are itchy.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  When you think about it, they're itchy. The, the teeth are itchy. I know.

• 34:51Speaker 00

  I'm like, so uncomfortable. When did this start for you?

• 34:52Speaker 01

  And I started, and I don't know, I think about a week ago and I've started now grinding them. Cause I'm like, they're so, my teeth are so itchy.

• 34:59Speaker 00

  What do you think it's from?

• 35:01Speaker 01

  I have no idea.

• 35:02Speaker 00

  Have you asked?

• 35:04Speaker 01

  Who?

• 35:04Speaker 00

  A dentist?

• 35:06Speaker 01

  Why my teeth are itchy?

• 35:08Speaker 00

  They'll probably be like, uh, send her away.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  Go to a psychiatrist. Like, that's not, I don't think it's an actual physical.

• 35:15Speaker 00

  It's like a brain thing?

• 35:16Speaker 01

  They're itchy.

• 35:17Speaker 00

  It's the gum.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  And I'm brushing and I'm flossing and I'm doing, I'm.

• 35:20Speaker 00

  Oh, so maybe it's, maybe you're flossing too hard.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  Well, no, I flossed once last night.

• 35:24Speaker 00

  I never floss.

• 35:25Speaker 01

  Because they were itchy. Neither do I. It's so hard.

• 35:27Speaker 00

  I ne, do you guys floss?

• 35:30Speaker 01

  You do. You look like you floss.

• 35:32Speaker 00

  Louise would floss. Oh, yeah. Louise can read everywhere. She's just like you.

• 35:38Speaker 01

  It takes a certain kind of patience and like, I think I like it, cause it does drown out everything else when you're into the book.

• 35:44Speaker 00

  Speaking of, let's talk.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yes, about this.

• 35:46Speaker 00

  Yes. Library Science, issue one.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, our first publication.

• 35:52Speaker 00

  And I was like, Kaya, like, well, I, so I know Library Science is a book club and I don't read, so I've never really been able to partake. But Kaya told me that this makes reading easy for people that really don't read.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Well, in large part, you inspired it.

• 36:06Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  Because I, I love reading, but I also understand that it's not super accessible to everyone. And like, you went to col, I didn't go to college. You went to college. So, you were assigned reading. You associate reading with school.

• 36:20Speaker 00

  It makes it so much worse that I don't read and I went to college.

• 36:23Speaker 01

  No, no, that's what I'm saying. People who went to college, I think sometimes have a, it's like people who grew up super religious and then they have to be like, I, I can't do that religion anymore.

• 36:33Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  So, you, that's how I feel about it. I didn't go to college, so I was like, I'm gonna read everything on earth so that I don't feel dumb. And so, I just started reading really kind of performatively, so I could talk to people and seem smart. And then I actually kind of lowkey started liking it. But not, but then eventually, like, I think you sort of, sometimes you start things with like not the purest of intentions and then you kind of start liking it a little.

• 36:57Speaker 00

  Yes, that's how I always feel about like, that's how I feel about, that's how I feel about movies.

• 37:05Speaker 00

  That's how I feel about movies. I'm a TV show guy. I've seen every TV show under the sun.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  Which is, TV shows are at this point, like, they, it used to be like, movies were up here, TV was down here.

• 37:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. Isn't that crazy? By the way, back in the day.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  You would never.

• 37:19Speaker 00

  You would never do TV.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  Never.

• 37:22Speaker 00

  You would never do TV. And you know who I actually think changed that was George Clooney?

• 37:28Speaker 01

  George Clooney. He are. It was.

• 37:31Speaker 00

  Wow, my knowledge.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is what I'm saying. Like, you are an encyclopedia for all things TV.

• 37:37Speaker 00

  TV used to not, well, it was George Clooney and it was also The Sopranos. The Sopranos changed, neither have I. Neither have I. But that changed the game for television. Like, no one wanted to be a television actor.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  Until The Sopranos.

• 37:50Speaker 00

  Until The Sopranos came out and HBO started putting out all these, like, like Six Feet Under and like.

• 37:55Speaker 01

  And it, why should they be different? It's, it's a very similar medium, except you have a lot more time to tell a story and a lot more time. I don't know. It's like, and also the actors get a lot more time to live with the characters, especially when you have something like Scandal, which went on for so many seasons. Like, like you suddenly have an incredible actress like Kerry Washington, living with this character for almost a decade, right?

• 38:17Speaker 00

  And it feels like home. Yeah, it was like a decade.

• 38:19Speaker 01

  And so then, it, it's so wonderful to have so much time with a character. Like, when we were filming The Shards, by the last episode, I was like, I know Susan so much more than I did during the pilot.

• 38:32Speaker 00

  What I loved so much about The Shards was that it made me wanna be in school. The best part about The Shards is we get up, me, Kaya, Louis, we get up, we finish watching it. I go, oh my God. I just love the seventies so much. Louis goes, it's the eighties, bud.

• 38:48Speaker 00

  The eighties, bud. The whole thing was in the eighties. And by the way,

• 38:51Speaker 01

  1981.

• 38:51Speaker 00

  It is so clearly the eighties.

• 38:54Speaker 01

  By the way, the voiceover the whole time is like, the year was 1981. It's the eighties. We're in 1981.

• 39:01Speaker 00

  Video kill, the radio star, like music videos.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  MTV in 1981. And Jake gets up and he's on a high and he goes, oh, I wish I was in the seventies. And I was like, I'm not gonna correct him. I can't break this moment. This was a beautiful moment. And

• 39:15Speaker 00

  Louis said, hey, bud, it's the eighties.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:18Speaker 00

  And I said, right.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  But it's

• 39:19Speaker 00

  But it made me wanna be in the eighties.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. But that's like, you, you get obsessed with these worlds of TV. And then even when they're doing horrible things or bad things are happening, you still kinda wanna live in those worlds. Um, back to literature, which also The Shards is an adaptation of a book. So

• 39:36Speaker 00

  By Bret Easton Ellis.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  By Bret Easton Ellis, who's one of my favorite writers of all time.

• 39:39Speaker 00

  He wrote American Psycho as well.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  He writes about LA. He's born and raised in LA. I, I'm also born and raised in LA. I, I feel like there's another writer, E. Babbitts, who writes incredible

• 39:51Speaker 00

  Wait, I know who E. Babbitts is. Why do I know who that is?

• 39:53Speaker 01

  Maybe because I talk about her all the time.

• 39:55Speaker 00

  I think you talk about her.

• 39:56Speaker 01

  I talk about her all the time because I'm always like, I feel like there's this trend now where people use hating on LA as a sort of sign of intellect. Like, if I tell you how much I hate LA and why, then you'll think I'm really smart and cool.

• 40:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, but LA's back.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  LA is back. And we said this a year ago, and I, and then you moved to New York.

• 40:16Speaker 00

  Well, no, I, I've spent a lot of time in New York. And by the way, when Kaia's in New York, she's like, fuck, I love it here.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  I do love it. I loved it. I, I lived there. I loved every moment of it. I

• 40:24Speaker 00

  I forgot that you did live there.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  I love it so much. But I also love LA. And I think growing up here, I was like, LA is so stupid and fucking lame. And no, I love it here. Um, and E. Babbitts and Bret Easton Ellis, they're Joan Didion. They're people that write about the West and about LA. Joan Didion.

• 40:42Speaker 00

  I know Joan Didion.

• 40:43Speaker 01

  And Bret Easton Ellis talks a lot about Joan Didion.

• 40:46Speaker 00

  He does, in the episode of The Shards.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  Yes. And I just love people who can like, celebrate LA and also celebrate it and all its complexities and all the things that are also wrong with it. And I was reading Black Swan's, which is one of my favorite E. Babbitts books of all time. Short stories, you could definite, you, I think you would love it.

• 41:05Speaker 00

  Is it about Black Swan?

• 41:06Speaker 01

  It's about

• 41:07Speaker 00

  Or is, is Black Swan based on that?

• 41:09Speaker 01

  Absolutely nothing to do with it.

• 41:10Speaker 00

  Totally.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Nothing to do with it.

• 41:11Speaker 00

  But you could see how I got from A to B.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  I absolutely can. And, and who's to say Darren Aronofsky wasn't inspired by E. Babbitts? But I think maybe I am to say that.

• 41:20Speaker 00

  Totally.

• 41:20Speaker 01

  Except for me.

• 41:21Speaker 00

  Back to E. Babbitts.

• 41:22Speaker 01

  Back to E. Babbitts. But she has this, she wrote this, I think it was in, it was like, the eighties and nineties, LA. And she talks about being at this, um, restaurant in Rodeo. And she, on Rodeo, in Rodeo?

• 41:33Speaker 00

  On Rodeo.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  On Rodeo. I don't go there.

• 41:35Speaker 00

  Which I was today because I have a shopping problem. That Kaia

• 41:37Speaker 01

  We have to also get into the spending addiction. But we'll get, we'll get there.

• 41:41Speaker 00

  Yes, go, go.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  But she's talking about it. And this was written in the eighties. And she's like, everyone here looks so crazy. Everyone looks insane. They're all getting surgery and lasers and facelifts. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, in the eighties, E. Babbitts was noticing. And it made me feel comforted because I was like, this is not a new thing. Like, she, I thought, this chair is beautifully

• 42:03Speaker 00

  You like it?

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Concise. It's sort of boosted. Is that, was that added?

• 42:06Speaker 00

  Because the first episode we did, and I was sitting, and I was so short, and I was like this, and I was like, Louise, like, we have to fucking make this chair higher.

• 42:16Speaker 00

  We could have a podcast.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  I don't have enough to say. You know what? Can I tell you a really sweet moment I had with my mom today? It was really cute. I have to talk about this book eventually.

• 42:27Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Go, go.

• 42:29Speaker 01

  I'm gonna go mom, then book. And then spending addiction.

• 42:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  So I called my mom and I was like, I'm going on, on Jake's podcast. My parents love you.

• 42:38Speaker 00

  And I love them.

• 42:40Speaker 01

  Every night at dinner is a, you came, you came to, um, it was a Jewish holiday.

• 42:47Speaker 00

  It was, it was Passover.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  It wasn't Passover.

• 42:50Speaker 00

  It was Passover.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  It was Passover.

• 42:52Speaker 00

  It was Passover.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  It was. Because I, I made everyone do the Passover play.

• 42:56Speaker 00

  Yes, which was so fun.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  Fun.

• 43:00Speaker 00

  And funny.

• 43:01Speaker 01

  And scary, and scary too. And gay. And ultimately gay.

• 43:05Speaker 00

  A little bit.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  A little bit. And you and my dad had a beautiful chemistry going on. And everyone was doing voices. It was really fun. And my parents love you because every night is like a, it's like a stand-up show that you do, but it's not put on. It's just, you are such an entertaining person to, to watch and have dinner with.

• 43:19Speaker 00

  Making your dad laugh is my greatest addiction.

• 43:22Speaker 01

  Gratifying. By the way, I think that's why I have any sense of humor is I just like strive to make my father laugh.

• 43:27Speaker 00

  He, his laugh is so enjoyable to listen to. That's how I feel about Alice. I like making them laugh is like

• 43:33Speaker 01

  He has the best laugh. And he, wait, making them laugh is like, what? Sorry.

• 43:37Speaker 00

  It's an addiction. It's like why I kept wanting to be like, every night at dinner, I'd be like, oh.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  No, literally, I'm like, la, da, da. Like, I am the court jester for them. And I remember specifically, my dad and I went to go see the Carole King musical. Beautiful.

• 43:51Speaker 00

  Oh, how was that?

• 43:52Speaker 01

  It was wonderful. I love Carole King. And I remember sitting there with him and like, the crowd was all middle-aged women. My dad is from Long Island and his, his mother talks like this.

• 44:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  And so I started doing an impression of his mother because I was like, all these women look like his mother. So I was like, oh, my God, have you seen the Carole King musical? Oh, my God. And I was making him laugh so hard that I just kept going and going. And then I was like, oh, this is so fun. It's so fun to make my dad laugh.

• 44:16Speaker 00

  It is so fun.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  And then my mom has a nasty, nasty sense of humor. So dirty, so, so, so nasty. It is horrifying.

• 44:24Speaker 00

  I get a laugh out of her every now and then. And when I do, that shit's real.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  It's real. She's not giving them out for free. It's really gratifying also. But my mom's like, dirty, dirty humor. And, but today I called her and I was like, I'm going on Jake's podcast. And I was like, running things by her. I was like, is it bad to say this? Is it bad to say this? Everything. She's like, no, it's fine. And I was like, honestly, Mom, like, I really just want people to see me as human. And I feel like they don't. And she goes, Kaia, you are human. And I was like, I know, I understand that. But I also, I want them to, to get me. I want them to

• 44:56Speaker 00

  Humanized.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was like, I want them to understand me. Like, I seek so much validation. I think that's why I'm an actor. Like, I always tell directors, like, I'm not an actor because I have enough validation. Like, please.

• 45:06Speaker 00

  Clap for me, cheer for me, tell me I did a good job.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  Even if you don't mean it, like the play, like, I'm like, just, just do it.

• 45:11Speaker 00

  Tell me I did a good job.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  I need, I like, I finish a take and I'm immediately like

• 45:14Speaker 00

  Always. I'm like

• 45:15Speaker 01

  Is that okay?

• 45:16Speaker 00

  Just like, tell me I did a good job, please.

• 45:18Speaker 01

  Humans are constantly in our lives seeking validation, even if you're not an actor. You're like, you're, you're doing things constantly seeking validation. And I was like, I just want people to understand me. And she was like, I don't think you should be asking yourself whether they understand you. I think you should ask yourself whether they feel you.

• 45:35Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 45:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:38Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 45:38Speaker 01

  That's what she said.

• 45:39Speaker 00

  But what do you mean?

• 45:41Speaker 01

  So that's all I have. But doesn't that sort of hit, like?

• 45:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, like, do you feel?

• 45:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, do you, but do you feel like the essence of who I am?

• 45:50Speaker 00

  You don't need to get what I, you don't need to understand what I'm saying, but like

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Do you feel me?

• 45:53Speaker 00

  Do you feel me?

• 45:54Speaker 01

  Because like, I think a lot of people don't get Meg Stalter.

• 45:57Speaker 00

  Right.

• 45:57Speaker 01

  But they, but you feel her. Because she is so authentically herself.

• 46:02Speaker 00

  Right.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  So it's like, not whether people fully, because everyone's gonna decipher you in their own way. They're gonna project onto you. But do they feel you? Actual you?

• 46:11Speaker 00

  Thank you, us talking right now. This is how we talk in our private life as well.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 46:16Speaker 00

  So I think people will feel you.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 46:19Speaker 00

  I do.

• 46:20Speaker 01

  Thank you. To this. Okay. Thank you for keeping.

• 46:23Speaker 00

  And then my spending addiction.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  I understand that, like, Library Science, we cover a lot of very niche literature. And it's not, I mean, we're trying to make niche literature accessible, but I understand that not everyone's gonna wanna read, like, a book from a female Norwegian author. So I was like, let's make a publication that is short stories, short fiction, short nonfiction, poetry. There's text messages in there. There is

• 46:46Speaker 00

  There is?

• 46:47Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:47Speaker 00

  Oh, I'm so excited.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  And I was like, I, someone asked Alyssa and I, who I do like, I, we, it's the two of us doing Library Science. And they were like, are you trying to print the internet? And I was like, no.

• 46:58Speaker 00

  Wait, but I love that.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I was also like, the internet has a, it, it's perfectly capable of preserving itself. Like, that, it does that for us. But I definitely am very cognizant of like, our generation has a very short attention span. And so I was like, yeah. So I was like, if I can make a book that is sort of follows the attention span that something like Instagram or TikTok follows, then it can still stimulate people who are not used to reading for sustained periods of time. Like, you could pick that up, read it for a minute, get through a whole story, and then go back to your phone. Like, you don't have to read the whole thing in one sitting. And that's really, that was important to us. And then we were trying to choose, I was like, I think it should have a theme. And so we chose a theme. Do you remember Show Me To Me, Rachel?

• 47:41Speaker 00

  Of course. Louis loves Show Me To Me, Rachel.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  Really?

• 47:44Speaker 00

  I feel like

• 47:45Speaker 01

  Probably because I've talked about it for like, three years.

• 47:47Speaker 00

  He'll always say, please.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  Show me to me. And I, that's the theme of the book. Because I was like, I think it'd be funny to ask people like Will Arbery, who wrote the play that I did, to write something

• 48:00Speaker 01

  Based on Show Me To Me. It's the transcript, the epilogue is the transcript to Show Me To Me and then it ends in the TikTok URL. So it's, I want it to be.

• 48:08Speaker 00

  Kaia, this is brilliant, honestly. And then on the back, it's all the authors.

• 48:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, all the contributors, great, great, great people.

• 48:14Speaker 00

  I want to write something.

• 48:16Speaker 01

  I think, I was just gonna say you should.

• 48:17Speaker 00

  I want to write something.

• 48:18Speaker 01

  Because it can be anything. We have Notes app entries, like.

• 48:21Speaker 00

  I have Notes app entries.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  Send us any of your Notes app and we intentionally choose.

• 48:26Speaker 00

  Ah! I'm so excited. This is so amazing. And it makes a great, great coffee table book as well. Like, it's really well done.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  And can I nerd out? I spent so long on the binding because I wanted it to be able to lay flat when you're on the middle section. So there's this Japanese binding technique. Everyone, everyone just fell asleep, by the way.

• 48:45Speaker 00

  Wait, wait.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  There's a Japanese binding technique where you can like, open it, hold on. So you can open it and then it like, still lays flat. Do you see the spine, how it?

• 48:54Speaker 00

  Oh, wow. Well, that's attention to detail.

• 48:58Speaker 01

  So.

• 48:59Speaker 00

  Oh my god. Well, congratulations.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  Thank you, thank you for getting one.

• 49:02Speaker 00

  This is gonna be it.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  It's so fun to publish. It's a great time financially to get into publishing. You make so much money.

• 49:08Speaker 00

  Really? Okay. So.

• 49:12Speaker 01

  You have a spending addiction.

• 49:13Speaker 00

  I do have a spending addiction.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  When did it start?

• 49:16Speaker 00

  Where I bought the Birkin.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  You bought a Birkin?

• 49:19Speaker 00

  Kaia, it's.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  You've seen the Birkin.

• 49:21Speaker 00

  You've seen the Birkin.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  It's brown.

• 49:22Speaker 00

  It's brown.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:23Speaker 00

  And I showed it to your mom, I said, and she said, cute.

• 49:28Speaker 01

  I have to say, my mom's so not like, into spending like that. The most expensive thing I have ever bought was the Chanel bag. That's the first designer bag I've ever bought for myself.

• 49:41Speaker 00

  And it's beautiful and you have it with you right now.

• 49:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's such a treat. It was literally, I bought it and I was like, I have made it.

• 49:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's how I felt too.

• 49:50Speaker 01

  And I was like, I really feel, I understand, I think you, it rubbed off on me because like, you know, you can't take it with you when you're mid.

• 49:59Speaker 00

  Right.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  And you can leave it to your children and you should.

• 50:01Speaker 00

  That's what I say, I'll leave it to my gay sub Theo, who's gonna be gay, for sure.

• 50:06Speaker 01

  Maybe he won't be.

• 50:07Speaker 00

  I actually feel like he might not be. You are having gay children.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  And, and that's my hope and dream.

• 50:13Speaker 00

  Louise's as well.

• 50:15Speaker 01

  A million per, do you have the name picked out though, like he does? Like it's psycho?

• 50:18Speaker 02

  No.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  Okay. You know what Will does that I now do is?

• 50:21Speaker 00

  Year by. Year by. God, Will's the best. Will's the connector of all beings. He connected us.

• 50:29Speaker 01

  He really did. He came to Mexico before you did.

• 50:32Speaker 00

  He did. And that's when this all started. It all goes back to fucking Mexico.

• 50:36Speaker 01

  I thought you were gonna say it all goes back to Will and I was like, by the way, I agree.

• 50:39Speaker 00

  But it all does go back to Will.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  It does. Honestly, the, one of the greatest, like, I feel so lucky that I found him in this life. I feel the same about you too, but I'm just like.

• 50:49Speaker 00

  I feel, I really feel that about Will.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  What a miraculous person. Like, what an absolute, like, you, you shouldn't get someone like that.

• 50:56Speaker 00

  He could talk to a wall. I mean, we would wake up in Mexico, it'd be 11 a.m., we'd roll out of bed, Will would be dripping sweat from his 10th pickleball match of the day.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  A round of golf.

• 51:07Speaker 00

  He knew every single person in the vicinity. He knew everybody.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  I've been going there since I was a baby and Will knew.

• 51:14Speaker 00

  More people than you.

• 51:15Speaker 01

  Way more. He was making plans. It was amazing.

• 51:17Speaker 00

  It was amazing.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  Anyways.

• 51:19Speaker 00

  What are you therapist about today? Because last time I tried not to ask because I always forget to ask.

• 51:23Speaker 01

  What did I say last time?

• 51:25Speaker 00

  I don't remember.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have one this time.

• 51:28Speaker 00

  Okay, what is it?

• 51:29Speaker 01

  I'm therapist. You know, you were there for the, the beginning of this journey, but I got a belly button ring.

• 51:36Speaker 00

  Oh my god, and it's amazing. It was the best day ever. I almost got an ear piercing, which you were encouraging me to get, by the way.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  Well, I was getting my belly button pierced. I was like, Gary, ear piercing, who cares?

• 51:45Speaker 00

  Right. Louise cared.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  So I got a belly button piercing right when we wrapped the shards, because I was like, wow, I'm crazy and no one can stop me. And I've always wanted one. So it wasn't like a cra, I've always wanted one. I've always liked them. Got a belly button piercing. What they don't tell you is that it's gonna be infected for longer than you can ever imagine.

• 52:06Speaker 00

  They told you it wouldn't be infected. I was there. They said like, you'll be fine, it'll be fine, you're gonna be fine. You asked every question possible.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  The, I did not listen to the professional who said that you should not pierce with a hoop, you should pierce with the bar. And I was like, I want a hoop. And he was like, it's gonna heal much slower. I said, I don't care.

• 52:25Speaker 00

  What do you mean pierce with the bar? Like have a bar down your belly button?

• 52:27Speaker 01

  There's the bar, which is like what Britney Spears had with like the diamond up here and then the like, hanging thing down there.

• 52:32Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 52:32Speaker 01

  And I was like, I'm not a pop star. Like, I need a little ring. It is, it's infected and.

• 52:38Speaker 00

  How good does it look?

• 52:40Speaker 01

  Thank you. I'm, I, I like it. I do like it.

• 52:42Speaker 00

  So kind.

• 52:43Speaker 01

  But here's the problem. You need to, I have a meticulous cleaning routine.

• 52:48Speaker 00

  Really?

• 52:48Speaker 01

  For it. And which is, so you get a belly button ring because you're like, I'm gonna be cool. There's nothing less cool than having a meticulous cleaning routine for your belly button ring.

• 52:56Speaker 00

  And what is that?

• 52:57Speaker 01

  Twice a day. Face wash on it, then rinsing it off, then saline spray. I'm spraying, spraying it, I'm moving it, I'm spraying it. It's, it's so deeply uncool. So this thing that was supposed to make me look cooler has suddenly become like, the dorkiest thing about me. Also, I'll wake up in the middle of the night with a finger hooked into the ring.

• 53:16Speaker 00

  No.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  Ripping it, ripping it. In my dreams, I'm ripping. Why? I don't know. I don't know. I'm ripping and I wake up and I'm like, ah! And then it's, and then there's blood. It's, yeah. It'll heal eventually, but that's what I'm, I'm therapist about it. It don't, it doesn't.

• 53:29Speaker 00

  Speaking of dreams, one of my favorite parts about Cabo was I was like, I need an Advil PM, I'm out. Louis, like, do you have an Advil PM? He takes like a, like a quarter of an Advil PM.

• 53:41Speaker 01

  She's off a little cr, a little crumb.

• 53:43Speaker 00

  A little quarter. And I'm like, and he gave me like half and I said, oh, no, no, no, no, no.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  I need three.

• 53:48Speaker 00

  I mean, I need three to four. And he looked at me as if he, if I was his child and he was about to send me away. He was like.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  No, he's used to, because I, I need to, I have a big, I have a sleep problem.

• 53:59Speaker 00

  We both have sleep problems.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  How do we fix it?

• 54:02Speaker 00

  So what I've realized is you just watch TV with a sleep mask on, and you put it on, and then eventually your eyes start shutting as the TV show gets more boring and then you, you're out.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  That's not true.

• 54:13Speaker 00

  That's my, that's my go-to right now.

• 54:15Speaker 01

  What are you therapist about?

• 54:17Speaker 00

  What am I therapist about? Honestly, I have had the most amazing day.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  Really?

• 54:23Speaker 00

  I finally was able to work out after my wrist.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  Mommy thumb.

• 54:27Speaker 00

  Mommy thumb!

• 54:28Speaker 01

  Mommy thumb.

• 54:29Speaker 00

  I had a great workout session. Then I went home.

• 54:34Speaker 00

  No, I burped. I, I, no, actually what I did, oh my god, I had the best day ever. I worked out. I was walking, I walked to Air One and I passed St. Laurent. And I said.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  The spending addiction continues.

• 54:46Speaker 00

  And I said, I'm just gonna hop in. There was a nylon orange windbreaker.

• 54:54Speaker 01

  You didn't buy it, of course, right?

• 55:00Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 55:01Speaker 01

  You're gonna hear it.

• 55:02Speaker 02

  Oh my god, oh my god. Oh my god, brace yourself.

• 55:11Speaker 00

  So I walked in to St. Laurent and I, wait, is it bad? You guys, like, literally the entire sales associate was like. I look like I'm like.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Jake, the sales, they're in sales. Their job is to sell.

• 55:28Speaker 00

  Wait, so I'm wondering where I'm gonna wear this to?

• 55:38Speaker 00

  Anywho.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  You have to wear it.

• 55:40Speaker 00

  Back to my amazing day. So.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  By the way, while you were gone, Louise was like, he texted me today that like, today was the worst day of his.

• 55:48Speaker 00

  No, it was amazing. I worked out and then I passed St. Laurent. I walked in, I bought this lovely windbreaker. Um, and a vintage shirt of, uh, the Pet Shop Boys. Do you know who the Pet Shop Boys are?

• 55:59Speaker 01

  I do.

• 56:00Speaker 00

  I didn't, but it looked cool. And so I bought that.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  Didn't you get a Tom Waits shirt?

• 56:04Speaker 00

  I did. That's under this.

• 56:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:06Speaker 00

  And so basically, I bought that.

• 56:10Speaker 01

  I have to say, you do look very, very cute.

• 56:11Speaker 00

  Right? It's not horrible.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  No, I don't think it's horrible. I just, I think the, I mean, you spent a lot of money on it. That's okay.

• 56:18Speaker 00

  But I can wear this. I'm like, oh my god, it's raining out. Like, uh, well, I guess there's no hood. So basically, then I went, I went to Air One in Santa Monica and they had my keto pork. And I got my keto pork and then I went home and I took a psychiatrist appointment and I got prescribed new meds. And then I started watching Real Housewives of Salt, of, of Rhode Island.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 56:39Speaker 00

  And I took a nap, I woke up, and you're here. And that was my day.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  That's a good day. It's a really nice day.

• 56:46Speaker 00

  I said I was having the worst day ever.

• 56:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, you said I have to take a nap. I'm so depressed.

• 56:50Speaker 00

  Oh, I was depressed, but that's just par for the course. And the new meds I got prescribed are for that.

• 56:55Speaker 01

  Are for depression? They're SSRIs?

• 56:57Speaker 00

  Is Wellbutrin and it's supposed to, you take it in the morning and it's supposed to like, kinda, because I was saying to my psychiatrist, I was like, he was like, you have anxiety, but these feelings of like, um, like your hopelessness and your, your impending doom, like that is depression. So you should probably take this.

• 57:15Speaker 01

  Is it your first time on SSRIs or not?

• 57:18Speaker 00

  No, no, I've been on SSRIs forever. I don't know if Wellbut, is Wellbutrin an SSRI? Okay, so, well, cheers.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  Cheers.

• 57:25Speaker 00

  Eyes. Should we do the tell me what's wrongs?

• 57:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm scared.

• 57:31Speaker 00

  This might, this has been.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  A real joy.

• 57:34Speaker 00

  This has been really fun.

• 57:35Speaker 01

  A real joy.

• 57:36Speaker 00

  Oh, my god, Nolan. Look what he did.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  Nolan, look what he did. Nolan, look what you did.

• 57:43Speaker 00

  Adding to the decor.

• 57:46Speaker 00

  Also, Kai, I tried my gummies last night and they were amazing.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  What are the Jake, are they called the Jake Shane?

• 57:50Speaker 00

  No, they're called Sour Puss.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  The Sour Puss.

• 57:53Speaker 00

  Oh my god, and this will be right before they come out.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  Can I, I had six of them.

• 57:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're amazing.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  It's, okay, it reminded me of when I would go through, I'd bag like, I'd buy a huge bag of the gummy sour worms.

• 58:07Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 58:08Speaker 01

  And you just pick out the red and blue ones.

• 58:09Speaker 00

  It's funny, because I actually don't like those worms, but I like this.

• 58:12Speaker 01

  Well, the texture of these is, it.

• 58:14Speaker 00

  It's unmatched.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  I've always wanted to put hot lava in my mouth, even though I know it would be horrible.

• 58:19Speaker 00

  You know what? I, no, it's an intrusive thought, I also feel that way, I always want to see a burrito hit in slow motion by a baseball bat.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  See, that you could do before you could put lava in your mouth.

• 58:30Speaker 00

  Totally.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  I can make this dream come true for you, in fact, maybe tonight.

• 58:34Speaker 00

  But all I want to do is have a Chipotle burrito thrown in the air, and I want someone to hit it with a baseball bat, I think, when I tell you I think about this, at least once a week, I thought about it last night.

• 58:44Speaker 01

  What part of our mental illness is that, because I think about putting lava in my mouth, because I think about how the inside would be gooey, and the hard outer shell would sort of stick, anyways, that's what it felt like to your cochias, but not.

• 58:56Speaker 00

  Great.

• 58:56Speaker 01

  In the way that, like, that's what I do.

• 58:58Speaker 00

  Oh, so it was like comforting?

• 58:59Speaker 01

  It was amazing.

• 59:01Speaker 00

  But yeah, if anyone out there can throw up a burrito and hit it with a baseball bat in slow motion, I want to see like, it spill out. Like, I want to see the baseball bat slowly.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  I don't like the way that you said that.

• 59:13Speaker 00

  Slowly hit the burrito and the burrito go in, and then you see the burrito right before it breaks.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  I have a question, are you thinking the, so this is the, this is the burrito? Are you thinking the baseball bat hits it and it goes?

• 59:24Speaker 00

  Yes, yes, a little bit, and then it explodes, and, but, maybe it like, also flies off, like, I don't know what's gonna happen. Like, I don't know what the fuck is gonna happen.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  By the way, who's to say?

• 59:35Speaker 00

  And I, who is to say?

• 59:36Speaker 01

  Who's to say until we do it?

• 59:37Speaker 00

  Until we do it. And I really want to do that.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  We can do that, whenever you want.

• 59:42Speaker 00

  Oh, here, got it. Thank you, Nolan.

• 59:45Speaker 03

  And the windbreaker is grown on me.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a cute color.

• 59:48Speaker 00

  Like, let me just.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  Do a, do a little moment.

• 59:52Speaker 00

  In what situation would I wear this?

• 59:54Speaker 01

  Well, okay, do you ever like, okay, when you're trying on clothes for a night out, do you do a little pose ever in the mirror to be like?

• 1:00:00Speaker 00

  Always, every time, every time.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay, so what's the pose that you do?

• 1:00:02Speaker 00

  Okay, so they don't have pockets?

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  There's a big pocket right there. But you'll see everything that's in it.

• 1:00:07Speaker 00

  Like a kangaroo pouch. Okay, so I would wear this to like.

• 1:00:14Speaker 00

  Um, I would wear this to, so my issue is, is, this also used to have shoulder pads. I had to take them out, I said, I can't buy this with shoulder pads.

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  Can you turn?

• 1:00:28Speaker 00

  What does it look like in the back?

• 1:00:32Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:00:32Speaker 01

  Turn to the side?

• 1:00:33Speaker 00

  You would not believe, you would not believe how much nylon can cost you. It is nylon.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  Take a seat.

• 1:00:42Speaker 00

  Okay. I realized I have terrible music taste. I heard a song the other day, and I've been bumping it since, I just learned it was some AI slop song, like, I get it.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:00:52Speaker 00

  I, I understand it, just because I thought the San Juan song was a real song.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  What is that?

• 1:00:57Speaker 00

  First time in San Juan, mi hijo. Capital of Puerto Rico. Immediately, I'm enchanted.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Perfect pitch.

• 1:01:09Speaker 00

  Thank you, because it's AI.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  No, but you have perfect.

• 1:01:12Speaker 00

  Oh, thank you. The whole plane clapped when we landed. I just learned it was some AI slop song, like, come on, I'm not dumb, how did I not notice this, I genuinely liked it too, so that's not good either, what the fuck? You know what, you just gotta listen to music, you gotta listen to real music, you gotta go Spotify.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  You know what's amazing?

• 1:01:30Speaker 00

  What?

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  The Ryan Beatty album.

• 1:01:32Speaker 00

  Oh, have you been listening?

• 1:01:34Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:01:35Speaker 00

  How have we not talked about this, what's your favorite song?

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  I'm between a few.

• 1:01:38Speaker 00

  Okay, tell me.

• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  Um, I love Sweet Fortune. Love, isn't Claro on that too?

• 1:01:44Speaker 00

  I think she is.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  I think it's Claro.

• 1:01:46Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  Um, I love Dust.

• 1:01:49Speaker 00

  Me too, is that the one where he says, I hate New York? I'm brave enough to say, I go back and forth. I'm like, I get it, I get it.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  And by the way, me too.

• 1:01:59Speaker 00

  I'm like, I get that, my favorite is, um, Virtuoso.

• 1:02:05Speaker 00

  Vertigo, I wasn't home, we're gonna come out west.

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  You know what, you like happier, I don't.

• 1:02:11Speaker 00

  But he says in it, he says, um, you gotta learn to leave to remember why you stay. Letting go of what you hold, holds you just the same.

• 1:02:22Speaker 01

  I got none of that.

• 1:02:24Speaker 00

  No, like, letting go of what you hold, like, letting go, like, you need to learn to leave to remember why what you had was important, and letting go of that, that feeling of letting go and trust falling into the universe holds you the same way that thing.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  Oh, that holding on so tight does, that's wonderful. I like that, he's, he's brilliant.

• 1:02:45Speaker 00

  Brilliant.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  You actually have turned me on to great music, you turned me on to, um, choosing Texas.

• 1:02:52Speaker 00

  She's from Texas, I can tell, by the way, she's too stepping around the room. It's about song ever, I was in the car with Kai, I was like, please let me play this right fucking now.

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  You played me that song, and you were like, it's about cheating, and I listened, and I was like, it's, it is about cheating.

• 1:03:09Speaker 00

  It is about cheating, because he's choosing Texas.

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  He's choosing Texas, I can tell.

• 1:03:14Speaker 00

  Because he's too stepping around that fucking room.

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  He's, and by the way, because he was too stepping around that fucking room.

• 1:03:20Speaker 00

  Uh huh.

• 1:03:22Speaker 00

  And it doesn't take a crystal ball.

• 1:03:23Speaker 01

  To see. And then she's drinking Jack all by herself.

• 1:03:29Speaker 00

  Because he's choosing Texas, she can tell.

• 1:03:30Speaker 01

  Because he's quite literally choosing Texas, and she can tell. And, and the, the truth about it is, she can always tell.

• 1:03:37Speaker 00

  She can always tell, because he's too stepping around the room.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  And, and men, they are too stepping around every, when they're cheating, they are too stepping around every room.

• 1:03:45Speaker 00

  Ever, oh.

• 1:03:45Speaker 01

  And she can tell.

• 1:03:47Speaker 00

  Oh my god, the tag is still in there.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  I thought you said oh, because I was like, I was really like, spinning truth.

• 1:03:53Speaker 00

  Do you know that was named one of the best albums of this year so far?

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  Ella Langley, she's amazing.

• 1:03:57Speaker 00

  Dandelion.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  You also turned me on to, um, Oh Mexico Honey, because you said it reminded you of me.

• 1:04:03Speaker 00

  I did, it does, it reminds me of you.

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  Lining my lips?

• 1:04:05Speaker 00

  Like, lining your lips in your short shorts in Mexico, like, oh, you're her.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  No, I mean, I could never.

• 1:04:11Speaker 00

  Yes, you are, like, when I listen to Mexico Honey, I think of you in Mexico.

• 1:04:15Speaker 01

  Her voice is like velvet, it's like sweet, sweet velvet, I love her so much.

• 1:04:19Speaker 00

  That album is just to die for.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  She's amazing.

• 1:04:21Speaker 00

  You put me on to Crush Stripped.

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  Are we supposed to be giving advice, sorry?

• 1:04:24Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  What's the question?

• 1:04:26Speaker 00

  You should listen to my playlist on Spotify 26, it has all the new and greatest of what I've been listening to, and it's on Spotify, and it's 26, because I'm 26 years old.

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  You're blackout drunk.

• 1:04:37Speaker 00

  I am a little drunk. I've gotten drunk. Cheers. Eyes.

• 1:04:51Speaker 00

  At this point, you know? So I was hooking up with my coworker for a couple of months, he told me from the start he didn't want a relationship, because he had just got out of one a few months earlier. I continued to hook up with him here and there after I left my job. We hadn't talked in a month, and now I see he's making the moves on a girl that replaced me at work. Wow. I would be so mad. He took her on the exact same date, he took me on too, how do you know that? Literally copy and paste, he's also telling her he wants a relationship with her, how also do you know that? I'm so heartbroken and upset, how do I get back at him?

• 1:05:26Speaker 00

  I mean, I don't know if there is a get back.

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  The best revenge.

• 1:05:32Speaker 00

  Is joy.

• 1:05:34Speaker 01

  Is joy.

• 1:05:35Speaker 00

  He is gonna be doing the same thing forever and ever.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  Here's the thing, this man, I don't know this man, I don't know the situation, I don't know how she knows all this information either.

• 1:05:43Speaker 00

  That's what I'm confused about.

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  I respect her, I respect her.

• 1:05:45Speaker 00

  She must have a source at work.

• 1:05:46Speaker 01

  She's got a source at, at work, and, and cool, great, or maybe the other woman's reporting back, but I doubt that.

• 1:05:52Speaker 00

  My teeth itch, by the way, and it's all I can think about.

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  It's all I can think about, welcome to my fucking hell.

• 1:05:57Speaker 00

  Miserable, I'm miserable.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  Every day.

• 1:05:59Speaker 00

  All I can think about is my teeth that do.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 1:06:00Speaker 00

  Okay, continue, I'm so sorry.

• 1:06:02Speaker 01

  I think the best revenge, the problem with this man is he's sort of, I think he's in his own world, and so any sort of signifier that she gives, that she cares, he'll take as like, she still likes me. Sometimes it's best to just act indifferent, even if you're not, even if you're still in pain, just don't, don't get back at it, because getting back at him, he'll be like, she cares.

• 1:06:23Speaker 00

  Right, there's a song, Indifference by Megan Maroni.

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  Sing it.

• 1:06:29Speaker 00

  Just indifferent.

• 1:06:35Speaker 00

  That's it, right?

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  You're unreal.

• 1:06:37Speaker 00

  Don't even care what he's thinking. And, yeah, indifferent, listen to Indifferent by Megan Maroni.

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  The thing is, like, we talked about with, you started watching movies to seem cool, I started reading books to seem smart.

• 1:06:49Speaker 00

  And now I watch movies, and now you have a book collection.

• 1:06:53Speaker 01

  And so if she starts pretending to be indifferent, one day she'll wake up and she actually will be.

• 1:07:00Speaker 00

  I need to get in your pair of that.

• 1:07:03Speaker 00

  That's what I just took from that. I have to get an ear piercing. How do I tell my friend that I can't spend $1,500 and three days of paytime off on her bachelorette trip even though I know she's going to explode and call me a bad friend? It's just not in the cards for me. Please, what do I do? You know what? I'm actually gonna take this out of us and give this one to Louise because she goes to a lot of weddings.

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  I think the answer here is so clear and it's that if you can't have this conversation with your friend and if your friend is mad at you for this, that's a major red flag.

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  Not a friend. Not your friend.

• 1:07:34Speaker 00

  Louise has a wedding every week.

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do.

• 1:07:36Speaker 01

  Anyways.

• 1:07:37Speaker 00

  I went to a concert last night and my boyfriend projectile vomited all over the girl standing in front of us. He was too cross and couldn't have prevented it, but now I'm icked out and don't know what to think about the situation. I apologized to the girls and helped him feel better, but I'm torn because I can't get the image of him throwing up out of my mind. And that's not your person.

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you really love someone, they could vomit all over you, your mother, your father, your family, the people you love, and you would still love them.

• 1:08:02Speaker 00

  I kind of agree.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  Like, I'm, you know, I'm like ick queen.

• 1:08:06Speaker 00

  You are. You have a list.

• 1:08:07Speaker 01

  I have a list. It's 100 strong. It's still going.

• 1:08:10Speaker 00

  And we did say that you would read some of them the next time you would come back on here.

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, we can do it at the end. I have a lot. I mean, we don't have to.

• 1:08:16Speaker 00

  Kaya has an ick list.

• 1:08:18Speaker 01

  Yes. Yes, and it's shared.

• 1:08:20Speaker 00

  And I've added to it.

• 1:08:21Speaker 01

  You've added? It's an amalgamation.

• 1:08:23Speaker 00

  Boys with backpacks. Stop wearing them.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  Okay, but here's the thing. When you're madly, truly, deeply in love,

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  they can double strap a backpack, they can vomit at a concert, they can wait in line with an empty plate at the buffet, and you still.

• 1:08:40Speaker 00

  Oh my God, I didn't even think about that. That's the beauty of your ick list.

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  It's, they're, they're all over the place, but you still love them. So I think an ick, as we've talked about, is just you, there's something else going on.

• 1:08:51Speaker 00

  Right. Because at the end of the day, like, if that's your person, like, you will never get icked out.

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 1:08:58Speaker 00

  I can't control my mood.

• 1:09:01Speaker 00

  It will be the best mood and then one small thing just throws me off and ruins my, like, week. I ruminate on very small things and don't know how to stop. Please, my OCD king, help me out. So basically, what I've been doing is journaling.

• 1:09:14Speaker 01

  Do you have a mood disorder?

• 1:09:16Speaker 00

  Yes. Yes. I think I do.

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  Oh no, I just was asking. You haven't been diagnosed.

• 1:09:21Speaker 00

  No, I've never been diagnosed, but I've been diagnosed with depression, OCD, and anxiety.

• 1:09:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:26Speaker 00

  So I think all those, like, combined are a mood disorder.

• 1:09:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:30Speaker 00

  I think you can put them all together. And you know what? And you know what? Yes, I can.

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  And yes, I can. And by the way, I just did.

• 1:09:36Speaker 00

  And I just did. Yes, I can. Yes, I can. Yes, I can. That is a mood disorder. Anxiety, depression, and OCD, and ADD, I have a mood disorder.

• 1:09:46Speaker 01

  You have a hard time regulating your moods.

• 1:09:48Speaker 00

  Yes, disorder. It's disorganized. You know, yesterday I got not in trouble, but everyone was like, "You're so fucking stupid," because I thought interview, I was so high, I thought interview meant internalized view of the person. But it actually comes from the French word intra.

• 1:10:08Speaker 00

  So basically, I would go on meds. Is, is, I would.

• 1:10:11Speaker 01

  Wait.

• 1:10:12Speaker 00

  That's, that's the journal and go on meds. Is that bad advice?

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  No, that's what you would do.

• 1:10:18Speaker 00

  That's the only, that's.

• 1:10:21Speaker 01

  I've been on meds. They didn't work for me. Not that they, they actually worked in a way that I didn't like because I couldn't feel sad or I couldn't feel happy. It's not like it just like, for me. I think they work for other people, but like, I, it took my deep, deep depression away, but it also took my, like, extreme happiness away.

• 1:10:40Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  So then I became a very extreme person because I was just trying to feel something. So they didn't work the way that I wanted them to, but I also know so many people that have been saved by them. So I'm not anti-meds, but I think, like, you can try meds, see if they work. You can try journaling. There are other kinds of therapy, or I think there's so many different.

• 1:10:59Speaker 00

  Charlie Raps.

• 1:11:01Speaker 01

  Charlie Raps.

• 1:11:02Speaker 00

  And honestly, for him, it's very therapeutic.

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:05Speaker 00

  It's, there are so many different types of therapy.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  I write fanfiction. I love, it's so fun to write something, even if you don't put it, like, I write fanfiction. I don't put it anywhere. I just like it.

• 1:11:14Speaker 00

  Who are you writing about? You know what? And that's the point of, it's, it's therapy.

• 1:11:20Speaker 01

  It's not, you know what I'll say? Not a human.

• 1:11:23Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  There you go. Next question.

• 1:11:26Speaker 00

  Okay. My boyfriend keeps farting in his sleep every night. We just moved in together and it's getting progressively worse. Every time I bring it up, he just denies it. Well, how can he deny it? He's asleep.

• 1:11:36Speaker 01

  Literally asleep.

• 1:11:37Speaker 00

  Is this just a superficial problem or do I need to take a look at our relationship as a whole? Because I'm scared that in the future, he will deny more things. Now, you're, oh.

• 1:11:46Speaker 00

  I mean, obviously, he's asleep. He's not gonna be like, "Yeah, I farted."

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know what? But you can't.

• 1:11:50Speaker 00

  You're, that's way overanalyzing.

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  I understand as, you know, being like, is, is this person gonna not take my word for it? That's scary to be with someone that you think doesn't take your word for it. Like, I think the person that you should, that you are meant to be with will take your word for it, no matter what. They won't question it. However, farting's embarrassing.

• 1:12:13Speaker 00

  Oh my God.

• 1:12:13Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:12:14Speaker 00

  Should we talk about how I fell down the stairs at your event, Silence, the other night?

• 1:12:19Speaker 00

  You guys, I had a wrist brace on at her uni event.

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  Which, by the way, he showed up in his wrist brace and I was like, "You're so annoying."

• 1:12:26Speaker 00

  I had to. I had mommy thumb. And I'm walking up the stairs to get the wifi code because I don't drive. So I didn't drive there and I had to leave because my mommy thumb hurt so bad and I had to go home and I had to sleep. And I fell down the stairs and broke a glass. And I just walked away. And sent a photo of the broken glass and I said, "Did anyone see that?" And no one responded.

• 1:12:49Speaker 00

  That is it for the Tell Me What's Wrong's.

• 1:12:51Speaker 01

  Oh, that's actually another bad.

• 1:12:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's, that's like a killer app.

• 1:12:55Speaker 01

  It'll get.

• 1:12:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:11Speaker 00

  Well, Kaya, what did we learn today?

• 1:13:14Speaker 01

  Um, I learned.

• 1:13:16Speaker 00

  I forgot cameras were here, which is the best sign of a good episode.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  I did too, which is a little concerning, but great. I learned that this is coming out when the shorts comes out, which is really exciting.

• 1:13:24Speaker 00

  And you have to watch the shorts. You, like, I finished the first two episodes last night and I was like, "I need the rest of them."

• 1:13:30Speaker 01

  I, I actually, and I hate watching myself in things despite how it may look, but I hate it. And like, I want more. Because everyone, other than me, I'm gonna, I'm gonna take myself out of it. Everyone's so good in it and it's such a sexy world. And even though bad things are happening, you wanna be, you wanna be in that world.

• 1:13:48Speaker 00

  It's sexy, it's scary, it's gay, it's funny, it's.

• 1:13:51Speaker 01

  And it's self-aware. Like, when he's sitting in the theater in that opening shot and he's like, "I sat there waiting for the movie to start without a phone to distract myself."

• 1:13:59Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:14:00Speaker 01

  We don't do that anymore.

• 1:14:02Speaker 00

  But he's talking about it.

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  He's addressing it.

• 1:14:04Speaker 00

  He's addressing that there was no phone.

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  There were no phones.

• 1:14:07Speaker 00

  But it is, it is really amazing. Like, I'm so excited. I feel like it's about to take you on, like, the most magical whirlwind.

• 1:14:15Speaker 01

  Thanks. And I also shout out cigarette acting. The best.

• 1:14:19Speaker 00

  Wait, I was about to say, were you not smoking real cigarettes?

• 1:14:22Speaker 01

  No, they, they give you fake herbal cigarettes.

• 1:14:24Speaker 00

  They looked real. You guys were doing a great job.

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  They're kind of grosser than real cigarettes.

• 1:14:28Speaker 00

  I mean, I would imagine so.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  And, and, but I'm sort of always like, what do I do with my hands?

• 1:14:33Speaker 00

  No, you crushed it.

• 1:14:34Speaker 01

  When you have a cigarette, you don't have to ask that question because you just, you're, "Oh, I'm having a pensive moment." It, it's amazing.

• 1:14:41Speaker 00

  It was, you crushed it. It was amazing.

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  I'm smoking in every scene of that show because I would get to set and I'd be like, "I think Susan would probably have a cigarette right now, right?"

• 1:14:47Speaker 00

  And you would. And you would. And you know what? I feel so special having gotten to spend time with you and the cast while you were filming that and hearing all your stories.

• 1:14:56Speaker 01

  Is there a performance, this is not including me, that is, you feel like the most different or the most surprising? Because you do know everyone in that show.

• 1:15:04Speaker 00

  Graham.

• 1:15:05Speaker 01

  Because it's the most different?

• 1:15:06Speaker 00

  I was just like, wait, what? Like, I was like, because I know Graham in person and it was just so different.

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:14Speaker 00

  Kind of same with Igby?

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:15:17Speaker 00

  And Hayes. So all of them.

• 1:15:18Speaker 01

  Everyone.

• 1:15:19Speaker 00

  Everyone, all of you.

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  Homer.

• 1:15:20Speaker 00

  Homer, all of you. Actually, all of you.

• 1:15:22Speaker 01

  It's funny because you're doing the scenes with them and I'm like, I'm watching my friends act. And then I'm watching the show and I'm like, "My friends are really good actors."

• 1:15:29Speaker 00

  You're all really good actors and it's an incredible show. And I'm, I feel like it's about to take you on this magical journey that, like, you finished the first part of the magical journey and now it's the second part of the magical journey. And I'm so excited to.

• 1:15:40Speaker 01

  I want to do it again. I want to smoke more herbal cigarettes. Really, I do.

• 1:15:44Speaker 00

  I, I want, Ryan Murphy, please.

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  Ryan, Ryan Mur, Ryan Murphy.

• 1:15:49Speaker 00

  Please. Please.

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  And we're glee heads, both of us.

• 1:15:53Speaker 00

  We are glee heads. And it's kind of like glee if glee had murder and, yeah.

• 1:15:59Speaker 01

  You know what? Ryan described the difference between camp and Baroque to me, which I didn't know.

• 1:16:05Speaker 00

  What's Baroque? I know that. It's an art.

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  So camp is like something that takes itself seriously, but then we end up making fun of, like, "Oh, that's camp."

• 1:16:14Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  Baroque knows what it's doing. It's in on the joke. It's kind of the thing you talk about with the banana peel. It's the Hannah Horvath. By the way, I feel like I'm either Hannah or Marnie and you're Elijah.

• 1:16:29Speaker 00

  I am Elijah. No, I'm Hannah.

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  Your dad is gay.

• 1:16:31Speaker 00

  I, I feel like I'm, you think I'm Hannah? You think I'm Elijah? I feel like I'm Hannah.

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  Maybe I'm Elijah and you're Hannah.

• 1:16:37Speaker 00

  I think maybe because Elijah is very self-assured and like, knows, like, knows what he wants and gets it. And Hannah's.

• 1:16:44Speaker 01

  The truth is that you're Hannah and I'm Marnie, but I don't want to talk about that.

• 1:16:47Speaker 00

  Okay, that's fine.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:16:48Speaker 00

  I don't think you're Marnie.

• 1:16:52Speaker 00

  I don't think you're Marnie. You are not Marnie. You are not Marnie.

• 1:16:58Speaker 00

  We learned that you're not Marnie.

• 1:17:00Speaker 01

  I love you.

• 1:17:01Speaker 00

  I love you.

• 1:17:04Speaker 00

  Kaya, I love you.

• 1:17:05Speaker 01

  I actually, I love you so much.

• 1:17:07Speaker 00

  Well, we're best friends. And by the way, talk about something that, remember when we were saying, like, you just have to say you're doing it and then it happens?

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  And then it happens, it's real.

• 1:17:14Speaker 00

  We would say we were best friends before we were best friends.

• 1:17:15Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:17:16Speaker 00

  And now we're actually best friends. And I really love you so much.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  I love you so much. I think you're the funniest person that has ever walked the earth.

• 1:17:24Speaker 00

  I think you are the most talented, most beautiful, and the best thing to ever happen to me.

• 1:17:30Speaker 00

  I mean it. And Louise, I love you too.

• 1:17:35Speaker 00

  You know what to do.

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  Bye, pussies.