Session 133: Paul W. Downs

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:42Speaker 01

  Hi pussies, welcome back to Therapuss. I am in Paris right now, and so that's why this is on an iPhone. This week on Therapuss, we have Paul Downs, who created it and stars in one of my favorite shows on television, which just ended, Hacks on HBO Max. It's, if you haven't seen it, please watch it. It is genuinely one of the best shows I've ever seen in my life. It's so funny, heartfelt, it's incredible. And he is just the most incredible, wonderful human of all time. And so I'm really excited for you guys to watch it. In terms of life updates for me, I am finally on a European sleep schedule. Not that anyone fucking asks or cares, but I finally woke up at like 10 a.m. today and I wasn't tired. So that was, that was really good.

• 1:25Speaker 01

  I survived the Paris heat wave, like, like it was like the sun was like passing me on the sidewalk. Like I legitimately could not leave my room. I've never, like the streets were empty. I've never experienced heat like that in my entire life. And you guys know I fucking hate heat because, as I always say, you can always add layers, you can't rip your own skin off. I struggled with the heat, a lot. Also, my Shake and Train with Jake Shane series on the ALO Wellness app is out now. I had so much fun filming it. We filmed it in Saint-Tropez on The ALO YAD was like genuinely one of the most insane experiences of my entire life. It's four classes. They're 10 minutes each, two strength training, two Pilates. So you could like, if you only have 10 minutes, you could do one of them.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  If you only have 20 minutes, you could do two of them. And if you have the whole time, you could do all four of them and make it like a full workout. Like it's really, really amazing. Like I've been doing it while I've been away. I, I tried to make it funny. I tried to make it like you were listening to a podcast, but like also working out, if you know what I mean. But it's great. I'm really proud of it and I love Louis and Bianca and you guys know I love ALO. So check it out now on the ALO Wellness Club app. But yeah, Paul, I love you. Pussies, enjoy the episode. I love you so much.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  Well, we are filming this on a very special day.

• 2:45Speaker 02

  It is a special day.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  A very sad day.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  It is a sad day.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  It is the finale of Hacks, the series finale.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Final episode. So weird. That you're a part of, my castmate.

• 2:54Speaker 01

  I know. Thank you.

• 2:56Speaker 02

  Oh, you're welcome.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  That was the first time it was ever on television.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  Oh, I love that. I love it when we break talent, you know?

• 3:01Speaker 01

  You do break talent though. Hannah had never acted before. Meg had never acted before.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  Carl had, had done theater and had done, um, he had done one film, but it was their first acting job on television. Yep. Robbie.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  Robbie, yeah.

• 3:15Speaker 02

  Um, a lot of people, a lot of people. Honestly, it is one of the great joys of the show is being like, here's people that we find so funny. Hey, world, watch them shine. Like it is really one of the best parts of the show. I know that sounds chugi or whatever, but it's, it's truly.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  I don't think that's chugi.

• 3:31Speaker 02

  Well, it's earnest.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  I think that's why Hacks became Hacks.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Like there's no Hacks without Meg. There's no Hacks without Hannah.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  No.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  Like, you know?

• 3:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:39Speaker 01

  No Hacks without you. There's no Hacks without.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  Thank you. Without you, social media girly.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  Social media girly. I remember Paul, we were on set and Paul was like, do you want a name? And I said, mm-mm.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  Which is so funny. I think that's like the, that is the comedy instinct. That's right.

• 3:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was like, I know it's funnier.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  Because we wrote it before, we were like, Jake would be amazing, you know? So we had written the part and then we were like, do we change the name? But I'm glad we stuck with social media girly.

• 4:00Speaker 01

  I'm glad we stuck with it too. That was some of the best days ever.

• 4:03Speaker 02

  Uh, was, you were so good. And you know what? To start. Like thrown into the deep end with Jean Smart and for us to be like improvise. It is, that is so intimidating, but you didn't seem scared at all. You were so natural. You were so good.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  I didn't know any of the phrases that you guys were doing. You were like in all. I didn't know what in all was.

• 4:20Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 4:21Speaker 01

  So you guys were like, can you give us an all? And I was like, uh.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  Depends on what you mean.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was like, uh huh.

• 4:26Speaker 02

  Is that something with full frontal? Can't do that.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Right. I was like, what is that? Now I know all the terms.

• 4:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  All the terms.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  That's good. That's good.

• 4:33Speaker 01

  Was Jean, oh, well, I have a few questions.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  Okay. Hey, that's why I'm here, is to answer your questions.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  So you guys knew the final, what you wanted the final episode to be when you pitched it?

• 4:43Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah, we pitched that. I mean, I guess this is airing after. So yeah, we pitched the whole, um, she gets a diagnosis and she is someone who really curates her life.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:52Speaker 02

  She really wants to control her image and her material and all of that. So we were like, this is someone who wants to call her own light. She wants to go out on top. So the idea of like right to life and ending your life with dignity when you want to was a thing that we wanted to explore and we, you know, the show was at its heart about these two people that have different opinions and they grapple with things and the grist is like, what makes them both better? Um, and we were like, well, what the ultimate one is life and death. So we pitched that, yeah, in 2019.

• 5:22Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 5:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Where did the idea for Hacks originate?

• 5:27Speaker 02

  Jen, Lucia, Jen Statsky, Lucia and Yellow and I were, um, on a road trip. I was filming a Netflix special, actually. Netflix, um, the characters, you can click over after this and, um, you know, they are the funniest people I know. They're like my inspiration, my muses. And I wanted them to come with me to punch it up because it was a, I was, we were going to a Monster Jam in Maine and I.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  Monster Jam?

• 5:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, like, uh, big trucks.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Big trucks.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  Why were you going to Monster Jam?

• 5:55Speaker 02

  Um, because I had a character Jasper Cooch who, whose catchphrase is big trucks. And I was going to like, it was actually crazy that they did this. I contacted them. I was like, I'm filming a Netflix special. As Jasper Cootie, I contacted them with a fake email. I was like, can I come and warm up the crowd? And they're like, sure. They gave me the mic. I got in a stadium. I made them do a call and response. When I say big, you say trucks. And I made them, we've been back and forth like 20 minutes.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  Did they just buy into it entirely?

• 6:19Speaker 02

  Yes, but I could have been like, I got a bomb, you know, I could have done anything.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  But they were absolutely like, here you go. And so anyway, they came with me to help me, you know, just to punch it up and like pitch me things to say as we filmed this. And on that road trip, we were talking about female comedians who like didn't have the same opportunities that a lot of their male counterparts had. And we were like, a show that's like a dark mentorship between one of these comedians and like a young, cool comedy kid? Because we also came from UCB and, you know, we were also in the alt comedy scene and there was a thing about cool comedy versus like uncool comedy, which interested us. And so we were like, that's a cool thing to explore. And we wrote an email to each other, being like, assistant show.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  Vegas stand-up gets an assistant and like tortures her. And it just like was born there. But on that day, we were like, that's, that would be a really good show. That would be a show I want to watch, you know?

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Was it always Gene?

• 7:15Speaker 02

  At that point, and Gene will say this, Gene's like, I was too young at that point. Because that was 2015.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:20Speaker 02

  She's like, I was way too young. But um, it was like an amalgamation of Lucille Ball and Joan Rivers and Phyllis Diller and Elaine May. And there's like a lot of Debbie Reynolds. There's like a lot of showbiz legends that we kind of like borrowed from to make the character. And so it wasn't anybody specifically. We didn't think about an actress. But when we finally got it, you know, picked up and we were thinking about who would be perfect, there was a really short list and Gene was, Gene was the only meeting we took.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  Oh, no way.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, because she was like, I mean, she'll, she'll say this, but she was like, I wanted to be a stand-up. When I was 12, I dressed as Phyllis Diller. She's like, it's crazy. The script is for me.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  And we were like, great, we think you're perfect for it. So, yeah, it was really wild. So I, I was the first person attached because we wrote Jimmy for me.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:06Speaker 02

  And Gene was the second.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  Wow, and then?

• 8:08Speaker 02

  The only meeting we had.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  That's in, that's incredible. It's like Kismet.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  So was Broad City still on TV when you guys were?

• 8:16Speaker 02

  Yes, um.

• 8:18Speaker 02

  When we pitched it, we had written the final season and we may have been shooting the final season when we pitched it, but we were, it was basically when we, we knew that that series was coming to an end that we pitched, so.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  What feels different about this series coming to an end than Broad City coming to an end?

• 8:34Speaker 02

  Well, you know, Broad Cities and was really Abby and Alana decided, you know, that they were like, um, we want to go out on top and they wanted to end it and we then in this situation did the same thing. But it's different because we, it's like our baby, you know?

• 8:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:52Speaker 02

  All these characters we birthed in a way, and so it's really weird to send it off and say goodbye, especially because people have responded so well. People love the show and it's so nice to hear that and it feels crazy in a time when it's hard to make comedy. And I just mean, I don't mean it's like hard to say things because I don't believe in that. I think you can, you know, I think that's not the.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 9:13Speaker 02

  I'm not doing that thing. But, um, I do think like, you know, fewer and fewer being made, so it does feel crazy to be like, oh, we're gonna, we're gonna go out and end it now because people want us to keep going. So it does feel crazy, but

• 9:28Speaker 02

  I think it's, it's much harder. This one's much harder.

• 9:30Speaker 01

  Right. Cause this one was, yeah, this was like your decision.

• 9:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  It was like your Deborah decision.

• 9:37Speaker 02

  Literally, it's so, yeah, we are, we are the Debras in this scenario.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  Do you have a fit? Well, you just spoke about like alt comedy versus like cool comedy. What like, I've never heard it described. Like I know like alt comedy is like what Meg does where it's like,

• 9:53Speaker 02

  Yes, totally.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  What's going on?

• 9:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  But like, I'm laughing.

• 9:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  Right?

• 9:57Speaker 02

  Totally. Yes, that is, yes. But I think like even the UCB to me is alt, you know, it was basically like there are some really traditional stand-up places like, and again, this is just my assessment, but. There's Laugh Factory, there's The Comedy Store, there's places where veteran comedians do their stuff. And then there's, there were places, at least at the time in New York, there was like The Creek in the Cave, there were like, it wasn't The Comedy Cellar, you know, it was like smaller, weird venues. Sometimes it was like, UCB was in the basement of a grocery store.

• 10:30Speaker 01

  What?

• 10:30Speaker 02

  It was beneath a Gristides, yeah.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  They have like a beneath a Gristides?

• 10:34Speaker 02

  It was beneath a Gristides.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  I one time bought so high in a Gristides and my knees buckled and I fell and I fainted almost.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  Oof.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:42Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  And I didn't smoke for two years after that.

• 10:44Speaker 02

  Wow, wow, but you're back.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm back. I need to stop though, because I had like a moment out of my body yesterday, where I ran into someone on my way to CVS, and I was talking to them, and I was like, I feel like I'm talking to like Emma Stone in Begonia. Like, I feel like I'm like talking to like, a literal alien. Like, I need to like, get, stop smoking.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  Okay, I get it.

• 11:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:04Speaker 02

  I get it. Out of body experience can be good or bad.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  It was bad.

• 11:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:07Speaker 01

  It was bad. It was bad.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  Okay. Well, yeah, so it was in the basement of Gristides and it was like really, you know, it was like, it was not traditional stuff. You would see people like Meg, you would see like weird performance art, you would see stand-up, but it wasn't, you know, it wasn't like the traditional setup punchline stand-up.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  How did you find Meg? Did you find her via Twitter?

• 11:27Speaker 02

  Instagram, yeah.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  Instagram.

• 11:28Speaker 02

  Well, she, again, was in the scene, and so I actually, the first time I ever met her in person, we were both on a stand-up show together. And to call what she does stand-up is like not fair, because it's performance art, you know what I mean? She's like more than a stand-up. But, yeah, she actually was so weird, it was like a bunch of people from New York were on an LA show that I was doing. So I met a bunch of people that night for the first time. But she, yeah, she, her videos on Instagram is how we first found her.

• 11:54Speaker 01

  She used to do like, uh, she used to like go on Instagram Live and pretend to be like a lunch lady.

• 11:58Speaker 02

  Her, her characters are so unhinged, and they're so funny. And she had this thing that was like, like, both really self-assured, but also a little bit bumbling. You know that like stuttery thing she do? You, you, you gotta be, you gotta, you gotta be vacuuming the rug, you know what I mean?

• 12:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:13Speaker 02

  Like, the way that she did that. And we were like, oh, that is right for this character who we were already writing to be super nepo.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 12:19Speaker 02

  Like, super self-assured, super rich, super nepo, but also kind of bumbling. So the characters she was doing, they were like so kind of what we were envisioning, that we were like, she's, I think, perfect for this. Then I met her on the standup show and I was like, she's next level. She did audition because it was her first thing and it was HBO and but in that first audition, we were like, holy shit, this is gonna be funny.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  Is she, I don't think anyone in the world has ever made me laugh as hard as she's made me laugh.

• 12:45Speaker 02

  I know.

• 12:46Speaker 01

  Like really and truly?

• 12:47Speaker 02

  We laughed so much.

• 12:48Speaker 01

  Do you, and I remember being on set and somebody, somebody saying like, oh, well, like you'll improvise, but when Paul and Meg improvise, like they could go on forever. Like, did you guys just like have scenes where you would just go on forever and ever and ever until somebody had to be like, okay, enough?

• 13:03Speaker 02

  Lucia would be like, okay, enough. But, but we also, she's really good at improvising within the confines of the scene. Like sometimes you see DVD extras and you're like, that was no wonder it's on the extras, you know, because it's like so nuts and it feels like a whole new scene. But she is really good at improvising within the lane of the character and uh, but we do improvise a lot, she and I.

• 13:23Speaker 01

  Do you have a favorite moment?

• 13:25Speaker 02

  This season, Meg improvised, um, basically, there was a thing about how I rushed a fraternity, but I didn't ultimately get in because I wouldn't fuck a goat. And she improvised, he would never fuck any animals. And I was like, no, I wouldn't. But then I could not get the line out. And it was the kind of thing where I really, we were like limited on time. We had like five minutes. We had to finish. And I could not get through the line without laughing. And we were, her line was done, but I just couldn't, you know what I mean? And so, yeah, it was the kind of thing where I would get, I would get through almost all of it. The last minute, which sounds so crazy and you know, it's, it was hard.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  My favorite is the bar, but her bat mitzvah.

• 14:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  She's not Jewish.

• 14:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 14:06Speaker 01

  And she has like, what'd she say again?

• 14:08Speaker 02

  She was like, what am I gonna do? Not, everyone in my school was having one. What am I gonna not have one? Or whatever. And I was like, yeah, you're not Jewish. You're not gonna have one. Yeah, I don't remember.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  I mean, the finale.

• 14:16Speaker 02

  I think it's anti-Semitic, you know?

• 14:18Speaker 01

  The finale has one of my favorite Meg moments of all time, when you guys come across the latitude stage and she whips.

• 14:23Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  Was that improvised?

• 14:25Speaker 02

  Yes, that was all her. That was all her.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  I can always feel it when it's, when it's all her.

• 14:29Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes. I mean, the, the line, what's up latitude, new era loading was in there, but, but she gave it, she gave the loading something, you know? She always brings something to it. It's like, So that's the best and you did this too when we like, right? Cause we write a million alts. We write a lot of jokes. We want like a lot of jokes per minute. But when someone comes and elevates them and does a little something, even if it's a physical thing, we're like, yes, thank you. Getting it out of the park, you know? Cause all we can do is set up.

• 14:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:56Speaker 02

  It's up to you to hit it out of the park, you know?

• 14:58Speaker 01

  What was the last day of set like?

• 15:00Speaker 02

  It was really, well, it was crazy because we had a couple of raps. We rapped in Vegas for like America. And it was really sad. We like literally had a group hug with our 150 person crew.

• 15:12Speaker 02

  And, and then we rapped in Paris, in the Louvre.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 15:17Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  You guys got that film made permit.

• 15:20Speaker 02

  I know.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  We were, me and my friend were watching yesterday and we were like, are they inside the Louvre with no one else in there right now?

• 15:27Speaker 02

  It was open. So here was what was crazy. We went and scouted. We scouted because we were like, what is possible? And they were like, you can come on a date, it's closed and do whatever. And we were like, okay, we're going to write a huge, you know, section of the finale in the Louvre. We're going to talk about female artists and how like they're not judged the same way men are. It's like, this is great for the show. This is a perfect like place to do this. And then the heist happened.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  Stop.

• 15:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Not, not while we were there. We didn't do anything. We weren't doing anything, but no, the heist happened and they were like, sorry, no filming. We can't let you film. And we were like, hey, this was way after we had written it, table read it, prepped it, you know, all of the like the-

• 16:05Speaker 01

  Of you fighting with the people at the Louvre over film name?

• 16:10Speaker 02

  Oh, it, it gets worse. So we were like, okay, we can't shoot there. We went to Versailles. We were like, can we make this work at Versailles? It didn't have, it's not, it's, it's more like a palace that you tour. It's not like a museum with lots of different paintings that we could then discuss. So we were like, okay. We'll, we'll try and make it work. And then the Louvre called and they were like, you can't shoot when we're closed, but you can maybe shoot when we're open. If we just bring 12 of you in, which is so hard to even fathom, but we were like, we'll do it.

• 16:40Speaker 02

  So we called Versailles, we're like, we're not gonna come. They were pissed. They were like, where are you going? We were like, the Louvre. They were like, hmm. They were like, really mad.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  Wait, for like?

• 16:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, so then, great, we're back in the Louvre. Then, the Louvre goes on strike.

• 16:54Speaker 01

  What do you mean, the Louvre goes on strike?

• 16:56Speaker 02

  The, the employees, like, the union of employees that work there are like, we're on strike. So they were like, you can't come now.

• 17:02Speaker 01

  Europe is always on strike.

• 17:05Speaker 02

  They're always on strike, and we believe in unions. Union's strong, but...

• 17:07Speaker 01

  For sure, but when I was in Barcelona, I could not get anywhere because the taxi drivers were on strike.

• 17:11Speaker 02

  Well, when we were there, uh, whatever, scouting, uh, there was a, like, a air traffic control strike. We couldn't leave.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  I'm telling you, they're always on strike.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  There's a lot of striking.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  Clearly, it works.

• 17:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, hey, it works for them. Yeah. If, if it's not broke, don't fix it. But we, um, go back to Versailles. We're like, sorry, we can't go there now. And they were like, fuck off. They were like, you may never step foot in here. They were like, you wanna go to the Louvre, you go to the Louvre. So we were then stuck. We had no place to shoot. And then, the president of the Louvre resigned, so the strike ended and we were able to do it. It was crazy.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  What was your backup plan?

• 17:44Speaker 02

  We didn't have one. We didn't have one. But somehow, things worked out in making the show. You know, we were just like, we had a lot of, like, our, our A D said, this is the most snake bit show I've ever worked on in my career. Just meaning, we had, like, so many weird things come up. But somehow, it worked out, knock wood. Knock, knock.

• 18:02Speaker 01

  I mean, it, it did.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, it did work out.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  You're at the, you've crossed the finish line almost.

• 18:07Speaker 02

  But the end was really weird. It was 10 of us in the Louvre. Because we were there while it was open, but by the time we finished and we said, and that's a rap, that's a series rap on hacks. Everyone was gone, so it was just us in this museum. It was really crazy. It was really surreal and beautiful and emotional.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  Well, congratulations.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  Thank you. Thanks for being a part of it.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  I'm so, so beyond honored. It's, I got to be part of my favorite show on TV.

• 18:31Speaker 02

  Oh, that's so nice.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  Coolest thing in the entire world.

• 18:33Speaker 02

  Thank you. Well, you were perfect.

• 18:35Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  Yes. And now, we're family.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  And we, by the way?

• 18:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  We are family.

• 18:39Speaker 02

  We are family.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  We are family, because, for those that don't know, Paul's sister-in-law is the head writer on my show.

• 18:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:46Speaker 01

  Genevieve.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  Literally, family. Yeah.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:49Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 18:50Speaker 01

  And Paul, it's so funny, after knowing Genevieve, I was just telling you this, I can hear her in the Hacks

• 18:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:55Speaker 01

  Show.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's been, uh, she's done Punch Up and written on the show since season one.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  But I can hear it in Hannah's delivery. I'm like, that's Genevieve.

• 19:03Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's cool.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:05Speaker 02

  That's cool. Yeah.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  I'm like, and I'm, and I'm usually right.

• 19:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, I'm sure.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  Because I'll always check after. I'm like, was I right?

• 19:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I can't wait to hear it in your show.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  I'm so excited.

• 19:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  It's gonna be so fun. I feel like I'm the best team in the entire world.

• 19:18Speaker 02

  I'm so seated, you know?

• 19:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's so Genevieve.

• 19:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, literally, literally.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  She once said to me, she goes, "L O L," I'm laughing. And I kept on going.

• 19:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  I have been working on something for the past few months that I'm really excited to finally tell you guys about. As you know, my workout journey has not been easy, but it has been extremely fruitful. I have been basically living out of the ALO Wellness Club in both Beverly Hills and New York City. And somebody who's really helped transform my body is Louis. So I'm super grateful to announce that I now have my own series, both with Louis and Bianca, on the ALO Wellness Club app called the Shake and Train with Jake Shane series. There are two strength training workouts, both are 10 minutes each, and then there are two 10-minute Pilates classes. So you could conceivably do all four of them in a row for a 40-minute workout. Um, I had, so we filmed it on the ALO yacht in the south of France.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  It was one of the most incredible experiences of my entire life. Um, I remember it being really, really fun and really funny as well, because I remember I wanted, I wanted people to be able to laugh during the workouts, because I feel like that's what made

• 20:34Speaker 01

  people gravitate towards my workout content in general. And I wanted to make sure that resonated in the series that I did with ALO, um, as well as show off my progress and how far I've come. And also, I travel a lot, like, a lot, a lot. And when I travel and I need to work out, I use the ALO Wellness Club app to work out, because it is the same exact workout that I'll do at the gym. Um, so it really kind of brings the ALO gym everywhere for you. Also, the great thing is, like, if you're in a time crunch, you can, you can still do only one of the four workouts and get a great 10-minute workout in, because each of the workouts is super fulfilling and... Like I, I do them all the time. I do those workouts all the time.

• 21:16Speaker 01

  And even if my series isn't your jam, which is so fine, there are over 4,000 different classes on the ALO Wellness Club app. From strength training to Pilates, to yoga, to bar, to mat. You can find anything you need for a good workout on the ALO Wellness Club app. I know I have, especially given that I've been all over the place lately. It's really helped me stay grounded, which I think is one thing that has been really important to my workouts, that it's helped me stay grounded. You know, I think at the end of the day, that's what's most important for me. And the best part about this all is that it's free. You can go to alo wellness club.com slash Jake to download the app and start working out with me for free. No credit card, no subscription, no catch. That's alo wellness club.com slash Jake. Thank you again, ALO, for doing this with me.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  It has been such a dream and I'm so proud of it and I hope you guys enjoy it.

• 22:07Speaker 01

  What's your favorite moment from Hacks? If you, okay, well, that's an impossible question. What's a moment that comes to mind when I say favorite moment?

• 22:14Speaker 02

  There are a couple of moments and they're really my favorite.

• 22:18Speaker 02

  Partly because of the technical difficulty of doing them. One of them is the very last shot. The very last shot was really hard to do and it was something, we had the song for, I think, two or three seasons now. We've known that's the song. And in fact, because it's from a TV show, we were like, we need to clear it early because it might be really hard to clear. And also it's got two artists who, you know, could deny, well, I mean, the estate of one and another one who might deny the use of it. So we were like, let's get that. But to make that work and then the final shot happen and also coordinating with two different casinos to have a fountain go off. All of that to work.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  That, and that fountain.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  On those notes.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:58Speaker 02

  Cause the timing, we played the music as we did it. Because we had to get the timing right. And for the fountain to go off like that, because you kind of can't be like, now, you know what I mean? You have to be like three minutes before, turn it on, warm it up, you know what I mean?

• 23:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  It just was a magical moment. It was like a pinch me moment that it worked. And the other one is in season one. Our third day of shooting, we were in the desert. Deborah gets a flat tire and she calls the local news station. She has her buddy pick her up in a helicopter to bring her back because she's got a residency, she's got a show every night. And she has this great monologue about how it doesn't get better, it gets harder, this career.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  Gina's so good in that monologue. She's so good. It's like my favorite, one of my favorite performances. And as she says it, Hannah or Hannah, Ava says, um, you're leaving me here in the desert. And she goes, yep. And the helicopter, because we had a real one, landed behind her in the exact right moment. And I was like, oh my God, this is, so it was those two things that were, that were pulled off, A, because Lucia directed them beautifully and because Gina and Hannah acted them beautifully, but also because, I don't know, there was something in the air that helped, you know, just make it work.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you guys are, like, you guys are perfectionists.

• 24:15Speaker 02

  We are very exacting. We, our catchphrases, we live for Tiny. We're really, really, really obsessed with Tiny. It means we're control freaks, but you know.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  I remember when, I, I think it was, it was the shot that I was in, it was the first episode I was in, and it was the shot, it was the one-er from, uh, from Gina's dressing room to when she goes on the stage and then turns around. And I remember every single person had to be exact and precise. We shot that like 20 times.

• 24:44Speaker 02

  And that's intense that that's like your first episode, not your first day, right?

• 24:48Speaker 01

  No, that was not my first day.

• 24:49Speaker 02

  But still, to do a one-er like that is so intimidating.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  But can I tell you though, like you guys, like the, and I said this to Louise right after I got off, I was like, wow, the, their set is like really like friendly, like everyone's friends. So like in between takes, when you guys were talking about it, we would just all hang out. It wasn't like, it wasn't like, and here we go again. It was like so fun. It was like, and Meg, and it was, Meg would do a different thing like every single time.

• 25:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we, you know, I think you can feel it in the work when it feels good. I think some people think you, it has to be pain. You know, in order for it to be good. Uh, but we, we do want it to be fun because that's like, the making is the thing, you know? And so it is important for us to like, keep it fun and enjoy it. And of course, there are like, there's so much stress and I think it seems like we're having more fun sometimes than we are because at least Jen, Lucia and I are holding a lot of stress. You know what I mean? I'm always like, I'm making a dime with my butt here. I'm like clenching my ass the whole day.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  But we have to laugh and have fun. In fact, I've been going through all the photos, like the BTS photos. We laughed so much. There was so much laughing on the set. It was really, uh, uh, you know. I know everyone says on an press tour, they're like, it was magical, but it was so magical. It was really-

• 25:59Speaker 01

  I can attest, from the three days that I was there, it was pure magic.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, thanks.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, congratulations.

• 26:04Speaker 02

  Thank you so much. Thank you, thank you.

• 26:06Speaker 01

  Paul, what are you therapist about today?

• 26:08Speaker 02

  I'm angry about AI.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:10Speaker 02

  Isn't everybody? No, not everybody. Most people are using chat GPT and having a blast, but I'm angry about it.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  I, it fucks my shit up.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  It does? Your brain?

• 26:19Speaker 01

  And I use it like-

• 26:20Speaker 02

  Your brain?

• 26:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, well, because I have really bad OCD.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  Me too. Do you?

• 26:24Speaker 01

  Really?

• 26:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, diagnosed, brother.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  What type of OCD do you have?

• 26:27Speaker 02

  Um, touching things.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Me too!

• 26:30Speaker 02

  Really? No way!

• 26:31Speaker 01

  That was my first, that was my first ritual when I was seven.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, I have a lot of rituals.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  I did not know that about you.

• 26:36Speaker 02

  Oh, you can't, it's, it's really good that it's invisible to people, because to someone like Lucia, it's so apparent, you know? It used to be really bad. It used to be like, I would be like, I have to touch that manhole in the middle of the street, and it'd be like, traffic's going.

• 26:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:49Speaker 02

  And it's like, no, you don't. You don't need to touch that, you know, or it also got bad when I'd be like, I have to touch that, the corner of that table at a restaurant, and it's not my table. It's like, what?

• 26:57Speaker 01

  Or you have to touch that, like, person?

• 26:59Speaker 02

  Oof.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Like, I'll never-

• 27:01Speaker 02

  I didn't usually have a person. What was yours? What did you have to do?

• 27:03Speaker 01

  I would have to touch things eas- evenly, and I'll never forget it. I watched this episode of Girls, and Hannah brushes past this person, and has to go back and tap them again.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  I know, I know.

• 27:14Speaker 01

  And I was like, oh my god, I get it.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  I get it.

• 27:17Speaker 02

  Yep, totally. I would have to like crack, it started probably with like cracking my knuckles on one hand, I'd have to do the other one.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Yep, yep.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  If I snapped, I had to snap, you know, it was about like a balance thing.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  Are you on meds for it?

• 27:28Speaker 02

  No. Are you?

• 27:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:30Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Three hundred milligrams.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  Wow. Okay.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think that's why-

• 27:35Speaker 02

  Does it work? Does it-

• 27:35Speaker 01

  It works when I don't smoke weed.

• 27:37Speaker 02

  Oh, interesting.

• 27:39Speaker 01

  So that's why I'm like, I think I need to-

• 27:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  I think I need to be off it.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  I can, sometimes I have the compulsion not to have a compulsion, which I know sounds crazy.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  Wait. Cause I know what you mean.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  Sometimes I'd be like, oh, um, my, cause it's almost like a good luck thing. Is that why you do it?

• 27:54Speaker 01

  Yes, it's magical, it's magical thinking.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Magical thinking, it's superstition, it's magical thinking. I used to do it like when I, like before a race when I was swimming, I would have to like stretch a certain way, you know?

• 28:03Speaker 01

  You were a swimmer?

• 28:03Speaker 02

  I was. Yeah, I was the captain of my high school team.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  No way.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I walked on in college for like two days and was like, no, this is D1, I cannot, you know?

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Where'd you go to college again?

• 28:12Speaker 02

  I went to Duke.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  And so it was real deal. So even though I was, I was a good swimmer and I swam on club teams and in high school, I was not, I was, I couldn't devote my life to it, you know? Um, and in a very dorky way, I couldn't do, I couldn't do sketch or improv comedy if I did the team, really.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  You can't balance.

• 28:29Speaker 02

  Honestly, you're doing practice in the morning, practice at night. It's like, you know?

• 28:33Speaker 01

  You, you don't, do you not do stand up anymore?

• 28:36Speaker 02

  I haven't in a long time because of, you know, because of the show. Um, I do it occasionally, like Meg will ask me to do her show or, you know, like I'll, I'll do it occasionally if there's, if someone's doing a XYZ person and friends.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  But I don't do it regularly, no. I haven't had time really to write material. So I'd be doing old material.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 28:55Speaker 02

  You know, um, but I do miss it. I love doing it.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  I did it when I was in like seventh grade and I've never had the courage to do it again.

• 29:03Speaker 02

  What?

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't, I don't know how to write a joke.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  You were a child of how to do stand up.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  What?

• 29:08Speaker 02

  That seventh grade is young.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, they put me at the, my parents put me at the Gotham Kids thing. Yes, and I-

• 29:14Speaker 02

  Well, you'd be great at it. I think you'd be perfect for it.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  I think, I think that's why I like Meg so much, cause I like what she does.

• 29:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  I like her version of stand up.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  Extreme of consciousness, like random core.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  That's what I would do, like when I was on stage.

• 29:26Speaker 02

  You should do it. I think you'd be great.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  I just don't know how to write a joke.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  I know that sounds so stupid, but-

• 29:32Speaker 02

  You tell them all the time.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  I know.

• 29:34Speaker 02

  But also you could do the things you do, you know, like, like you seeing Michelangelo's Statue of David, you could just do that in the show. You know what I mean?

• 29:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:44Speaker 02

  Cause it's so funny.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  It's so hard to, I felt so burnt out by those skits towards the end of it. I think I must have done like 200.

• 29:51Speaker 02

  Well, that's how I first came to know your work.

• 29:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:53Speaker 02

  Cause it, you know, they were, they were so funny and passed it around and let you be like, have you seen this one? You know, so.

• 29:59Speaker 01

  I gotta get back into it.

• 30:00Speaker 02

  It's worth it.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  I gotta get back into it.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  I think that is like a perfect little micro impression for stand up, you know?

• 30:04Speaker 01

  I know, I know. I, I need to see Meg at the Largo.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  That's what I need to see.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  Family trip.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  I would, family trip.

• 30:11Speaker 02

  Okay, family trip.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  And then Italian food. Cause you guys are the most Italian people I know.

• 30:15Speaker 02

  We are very Italian, yeah. I'm only half, but Lucia and Genevieve are a hundred percent.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  Lucia was born there.

• 30:21Speaker 01

  What?

• 30:22Speaker 02

  She was born in Italy. She came to this country without a dollar to her name, without a word of English. She was one.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Okay, I was about to say.

• 30:27Speaker 02

  I'm always like lean into that. You gotta say that.

• 30:28Speaker 01

  I was about to say, I did not know that.

• 30:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was one. Actually, and you know what? It's so funny. One of the reasons she came, this is a callback. One of the reasons she came to this country is her mom and dad, her mom was born in America, her dad was born in Italy. They went back to Italy. They won a bunch of money in Monte Carlo or something when they were gambling. They decided to stay. They had her. And then her mother couldn't send photos back to her family in the States because the post office went on strike so much. And she's like, we gotta go back. I can't do this. I can't do the strikes.

• 30:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:58Speaker 02

  And she also missed chocolate chips.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  Do they not have chocolate chips in Italy?

• 31:01Speaker 02

  I guess they don't. I guess you had to break up chocolate to make chocolate chip cookies. I don't know. It was like a baking thing. So she really needed, she needed her desserts, you know?

• 31:07Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 31:07Speaker 02

  I get that.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  Do you guys ever miss the East Coast? Cause Lucia and Genevieve are from Massachusetts and you're from New Jersey.

• 31:14Speaker 02

  You know, we go back enough that I don't miss it. I, I miss my family, but I'm not, I'm not going back to the humidity or the cold or, you know what I mean? I know it's like the weather is the reason, but it's, I don't miss it.

• 31:25Speaker 01

  I know.

• 31:25Speaker 02

  I, I love the people. When I'm there, I love it. And when I go to New York, I'm like, this is great. It's a great place because I've lived there. I lived there for so long that it was a great place to be when I was young doing comedy, cause you really have to be tough. And now I'm too soft. Now I'm like, I can't.

• 31:41Speaker 01

  You feel like you're softer now? After being in the public eye?

• 31:46Speaker 02

  In some ways, yeah. In some ways I am.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  Tell me.

• 31:49Speaker 02

  But I'm also softer in terms of like creature comforts. You know what I mean?

• 31:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 31:52Speaker 02

  Having a yard, you know, and having like room to move around. Sorry, that's a brag. I do have a yard. Um, but you know.

• 31:57Speaker 01

  Very nice yard.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  Well, thanks. Um, but you know, it's like. When you're in New York, it's great to be interacting with people. But you're like, never not. You know what I mean? It's like, so loud, you're always touching people, you're in the subway. It's just like, and it's like, the energy, everyone's like, I love the energy of New York. I'm like, it's possessed. The energy's possessed. People in East Village, like, walking around like zombies. I'm like, it's, you know, I love New York, but I wouldn't want to live there. It's a great place to visit. And then after three days, I'm like, I'm hungover. I also eat and drink so much more there. I don't know what it is, but I'm like-

• 32:28Speaker 01

  But you walk more.

• 32:29Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  I'm in a New York, I'm like in a New York kick right now.

• 32:32Speaker 02

  Well, you can walk. You can walk, what is it, 40 minutes?

• 32:35Speaker 01

  I do, I do do that.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  No, you don't.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do. Well, and when I can't, well, I have an injury right now, so I like, can't work out. And I like, need to move my body, or else I'll go insane, so I'll like, walk to, all the way down there and-

• 32:46Speaker 02

  It's good for your brain. Walking is really good for your brain and your body.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  It is. New York energy is possessed. I've had so, well, growing up, I had, I was unmedicated and had mental breakdowns every day. But like, I don't have mental breakdowns here the way I had them in New York.

• 32:58Speaker 02

  Yes. Well, and you don't think it's the place?

• 33:02Speaker 01

  Well, it's weird though, because I feel so much more isolated here. And I will never forget my mom saying that to me, like, because my parents are both from New York. But I was born in LA, raised in New York, like, back and forth, yeah.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't know that, okay.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  I lived in Los Feliz when I was one, like-

• 33:17Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, wow.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I, my mom was like, I hate LA, I'll never go back. It's the most isolating place in the world. And the example she uses is one time I threw up on the street after eating Abbott's pizza. And no one, I like, was projectile vomiting, everyone in LA was just walking past. I'm like, advocating, and she was like, if we were in New York, somebody would have asked if you were okay.

• 33:41Speaker 02

  Okay. I think that's right. I get that.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  And I was like, oh, I guess you're right, and I'll never unsee it now. Now I feel like, when I feel lonely here, it's tenfold.

• 33:50Speaker 02

  That's, okay. Well, I'm gonna counter it. Do you mind?

• 33:53Speaker 01

  Please.

• 33:54Speaker 02

  I don't want to give you rebuttal to your life, your lived experience.

• 33:56Speaker 01

  I beg of you to rebuttal because I'm stuck here.

• 33:58Speaker 02

  Okay. When we first moved here, I would say the very first week, we went to La Poopel. We had a drink and a married couple tried to take us home. And I was like, okay, they're friendly here.

• 34:08Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 34:09Speaker 02

  And then we were online at the grocery store and this woman turned around and overheard what we were saying and engaged in like a 20 minute conversation with us as we walked to our car. So I was like, people here were too friendly to me. In my experience, I was like, people are very, in a way that in New York, no one's at Christie's turning around and being like, you know, I don't know. It just, it felt like a really different place.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  God, Christie's is the most insane callback I've ever heard in my entire, I don't like, literally.

• 34:33Speaker 02

  They're still there, right? I don't even know.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  There's one in 86.

• 34:35Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  And between Broadway and West End.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  This one was on 26th, 26th?

• 34:41Speaker 01

  They had a great candy aisle. They have a great candy aisle.

• 34:44Speaker 02

  Hmm. Oh, you know what? Yes, that's right. There's one in the Village still, I think.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  And there is a, I wonder, is Key Food still around?

• 34:50Speaker 02

  Must be. I don't know. I just went to, I always say the name wrong. What is it?

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Fairway?

• 34:55Speaker 02

  Cinderella?

• 34:56Speaker 01

  Cinderella.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  Cinderella.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  I was never a Cinderella guy.

• 34:58Speaker 02

  Really?

• 34:58Speaker 01

  I was at Zbars.

• 34:59Speaker 02

  Oh, okay, sure.

• 35:00Speaker 01

  Zbars was across the street from my high school.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  So I would go there every day.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I used the mug very often.

• 35:06Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. The very famous mug.

• 35:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, we shot Broad City in there.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, you did.

• 35:11Speaker 02

  Yes, you did, yeah.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  God.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  That was iconic.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  That was fucking iconic.

• 35:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was fun.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  Talk about one of the best TV pilots of all time.

• 35:18Speaker 02

  Wow, you think so?

• 35:19Speaker 01

  I know so. We talk about it, me, Genevieve and Paul talk about it all the time.

• 35:23Speaker 02

  Wow, that's cool.

• 35:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:24Speaker 02

  That's great.

• 35:25Speaker 01

  The simple act of just searching for money for a Lil Wayne concert.

• 35:30Speaker 02

  That's right, they just need to get ticket money. That's right, yeah.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  And it sets up the most, it sets up everything. You set up everything.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  We used to say Tiny Missions.

• 35:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  Every episode was a tiny mission and New York made every mission impossible. And that was a great guiding light for the show.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  Laughing, thinking about it, it's like the best show ever. Do you have a favorite Broad City moment, Louise? It's like her favorite show of all time.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 35:51Speaker 03

  I've seen it.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  Oh, I didn't know that. Okay, Trey, a Trey solstice bow. That's so nice. Oh, my gosh.

• 35:58Speaker 03

  Is that the same episode where you go to the Ikea?

• 36:01Speaker 01

  No.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  That's Working Girls, that's episode, yeah, that's like the, the fourth episode or something. They go, oh, wait a minute, no, episode is no. I was thinking of the one where they go to Costco. That's Working Girls. The one where they go to Ikea.

• 36:16Speaker 02

  Abby gets a yellow hat and dates a girl for the first time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the yellow hat is a

• 36:21Speaker 01

  You know, my favorite.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  Yellow Kangal hat, what?

• 36:23Speaker 01

  My favorite is when, who loses their fucking phone?

• 36:27Speaker 02

  Um, Abby, Abby, Abby lost phone, Abby.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  And the entire episode, she's searching for this fucking phone.

• 36:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  And she finally finds it with this girl in like a froyo shop.

• 36:39Speaker 02

  She was so funny, that girl. I remember that girl.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's hysterical.

• 36:43Speaker 02

  Where is that girl?

• 36:43Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 36:44Speaker 02

  She was really good.

• 36:45Speaker 01

  She, and she was like, oh my god, I'm gonna, see, now I wanna get high and watch Broad City.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  Okay, well, you can do that. That's safe.

• 36:54Speaker 01

  I know.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  Watching Broad City is safe.

• 36:56Speaker 01

  It's the safest there is.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  You're not gonna have an out of body experience like that.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  Did you take anything you learned from filming Broad City with you into Hacks?

• 37:03Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. And you know, Abby, Alana, Jen, Lucy and I all came from that, like, UCB improv sketch comedy scene.

• 37:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a small scene. You guys all know each other.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  It is a really small scene. It's a very small world. And I, you know, I think Abby and Alana started Broad City as a web series. Around the same time Lucy and I were making YouTube videos, because that's how we all started. We like taught ourselves how to edit. We like did all, we, we held the boom mic, you know what I mean? Like we did, we just like fake it till you make it. And the reason we did that is because it was hard at the time. It was like, there was a lot of, even though it was a small scene, a lot of people wanted to be on the main stage. And it was hard to get stage time. And so we all kind of did stuff outside of the system a little bit. And I ended up being in the web series and Lucy had directed some of the web series. And so it led to us, you know, doing the show. And I think a lot of what we learned doing improv,

• 37:56Speaker 02

  like the idea of yes and, the, the idea of like agreement, the idea of

• 38:02Speaker 02

  a mistake being something that can be woven in and actually making the thing better, a lot of that we still use now. Another thing we, we learned and we tried to do in Broad City and we tried to do in Hacks is that while every scene should like serve the story and tell the story, it should also have a comedic game. So there should be something else happening that's funny and repeatable, a pattern you can repeat. And that's like a improv 101 thing. And so I don't think everybody who writes necessarily has that exact way in, but it's something that we have always done and only recently where we, they're doing a, Matt Walsh is doing a book about UCB, can I say that? I don't know, like a oral history of it. And so we were talking to him about it and we were like, oh yeah,

• 38:43Speaker 02

  we actually do use a lot of like those tenants of improv in our everyday life and in the making of the show now. And in Broad City was really scrappy, you know, it was like low budget comedy central show. They like let people who had never, talk about people who've never been on TV. We'd never written TV, none of us. Chris Kelly was in the room and he had done some SNL, but none of us had written narrative TV. They let us figure it out and we kind of had to just push through insecurity and doubt and just do it. And we still do that, you know, that we're like, can we, can we get in the lube? You know, and you just have to push through and be like, we're gonna do it. We'll figure it out.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  Like, are you susceptible to like critical reception of your work? Like, do you feel like impacted when someone doesn't like your stuff? Or are you confident enough in it that you're like, I don't care?

• 39:34Speaker 02

  Okay, I'll say this. I, feedback about the work, like reviews, make their way to me when, honestly, when they're really good, because I don't read them. But other people do. And if someone's like, hey, they, they saw something in the show that I didn't even see, or this was a really insightful piece of writing about the show, I will read it. Because I'm so appreciative of people's take on it and it does make you feel very seen if they get it, or if they get something out of it that you didn't even realize was a part of the work. So I do appreciate like good writing about work. But for me, it's more about output than input because, you know, the one bad thing, it's same with like a comment or a tweet, like the one bad thing will kill you.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:19Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? And it will stay in your brain. And I just try to let it be, putting the work out and then not, because that's the thing, if you like, If you get like a big ego because you're hearing all the good things, you have to also take into account the bad things, you know? And that's unpleasant.

• 40:36Speaker 01

  It's so unpleasant.

• 40:37Speaker 02

  And hey, criticism of work is really important because people find it that way. It's like a really important part of the process.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:43Speaker 02

  And yet, everybody's a critic now, you know? And it's, it's, so it's.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  Well, that's the issue. Everyone's a critic.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, of everything.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  Of everything.

• 40:52Speaker 02

  Of like, you know, if you're, if you're on, if you're on social media of how you look. You know what I mean? People are critics of everything.

• 40:57Speaker 01

  I would so much rather someone be so nasty about what I look like than how, if I, if I'm unfunny.

• 41:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  And it's like.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  The only thing that I think one can be more vain about than their looks is like, if they're a comedian, is how funny they are.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Well, in a piece of work, the Joan Rivers doc, she says, um, she's like comedians are the most insecure people on the planet.

• 41:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  Cause you just want someone to laugh. You're like, laugh with me, laugh at me, just laugh.

• 41:25Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  You know, I, I see so much of that documentary in Hacks. Do you guys watch that?

• 41:32Speaker 02

  100%. We did watch it. Um, and Rachel Hamilton, who was a great improviser and a coach of ours, um, was a producer of it. And what was really fascinating, and one of the reasons we wanted to make the show was, at the time, there were people who were not that much younger than us, pretty much our generation. Some of whom who had, who had known Joan Rivers to just be like an E news correspondent.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  What?

• 41:55Speaker 02

  They were like, she's a fashion correspondent. They didn't know that she almost hosted The Tonight Show.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  They didn't know that.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  She got blackballed.

• 42:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, so that did definitely impact us because we were like, can you imagine? Being somebody who doesn't know like the path she paved for comedians, especially women in comedy? So that was like a big, a big factor in just us being like, oh no, this is, this is telling the story of someone whose story has not been told. Um, because nobody cared to listen is, is the reason we have to make this show.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I would say that it's one of the more moving pieces of comedy I've ever seen.

• 42:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's so good. It's so good. Um, and there's a lot of Joan and Deborah.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  I see so much of Joan and Deborah, because Joan was like my idol growing up.

• 42:43Speaker 02

  Really?

• 42:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I loved her. I loved her. She was just relentless.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  Have you read her books?

• 42:49Speaker 01

  No, I, I don't read.

• 42:50Speaker 02

  You should. Well, you can get the, you know.

• 42:54Speaker 01

  Holy shit, that was so painful.

• 42:56Speaker 02

  No, no, it's okay. It's okay. This is a safe space.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  That was, it's actually, you know what? It's funny you say that this is a safe space. It's not.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  But it's okay. Not everybody reads.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  This episode of Therapist is brought to you by Booking.com. Booking dot, yeah. I was looking at photos from Vegas the other day with all my friends, which we booked on Booking.com because it is the easiest place to book any type of group travel or any travel in general. And I was like, I really want to go on a group trip soon. So then I started thinking about Labor Day, which led me down a Booking.com rabbit hole, which I find myself on very frequently, to search for places to plan a Labor Day vacation. Because the only way my trip in my friend group is happening is if we use Booking.com because it accommodates every single person's needs and finds us a place that is perfect for that. Because as we like to say, like, as long as we have a roof over our head, we can basically do anything. Booking.com gets that sorted for us so we can plan the rest of the trip.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  Like, it takes the hardest part of the trip planning away, so we can then plan the rest of the trip. Also, my friend group, as you can imagine, is like, they're like, everyone has a different opinion on where they want to stay. Everyone has a different opinion on what they need. And so Booking.com is able to consolidate all of that and find us the best place possible to stay for our vacation. And it also has incredible rates. Like, it has places we might not have found before. Like, Booking.com just is our go-to. I mean, as you guys know, I use it on tour all the time. We would pull up to a city, no hotel in sight, and Matt would book on Booking.com and he would find the perfect hotel every time. You know, there's so many hotel options in Vegas and it's sometimes just hard to pick one. And Booking.com really helps, like, narrow down the facts of what each hotel has.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  So it makes it easier for us to end up deciding on one. We're a very indecisive group and Booking.com helps us become more decisive. Go on, book that trip. It's easy. Booking.com, Booking dot, yeah.

• 44:49Speaker 01

  Should we do the tell me what's wrongs? You don't know what the tell me what's wrongs are. Let me tell you what the tell me what's wrongs are. The pussy's right in and they tell us what's wrong.

• 44:55Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  And, uh... We-

• 44:59Speaker 02

  Yes, I've seen. Yes, I know. Okay.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  I forgot my husband and I's fifth year anniversary. There's like seven I's. I feel horrible and he's been so sweet telling me how truly okay it is. But I don't believe him for a second, especially since we've helped each other be more intentional, thoughtful people.

• 45:14Speaker 02

  Okay, they're in couples. They're in couples, okay.

• 45:16Speaker 01

  Right. Wait, what'd you say?

• 45:18Speaker 02

  They're in couples. Therapy, maybe?

• 45:19Speaker 01

  Oh, it seems.

• 45:20Speaker 02

  Intentional. I know, she's using words I-

• 45:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. How, how, how do I make this up to him? Please, I'm too guilty to think of anything cute. I forget my dad's birthday every year.

• 45:31Speaker 02

  You do?

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Every year.

• 45:32Speaker 02

  You know, it's hard. They, you know, uh, it's hard. Keeping track of dates is really hard, especially if you have ADD. I don't know if you do, but-

• 45:39Speaker 01

  I do.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  I do too. Um, what does she do?

• 45:43Speaker 01

  We're very similar.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  I know.

• 45:44Speaker 01

  We're Scorpios from the tri-state area with OCD and ADD.

• 45:48Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 45:49Speaker 01

  Right?

• 45:49Speaker 02

  Twin flames.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  Right? A little bit.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  Uh-huh, uh-huh, yeah. Um, what does she do? I, I think it's forgivable to miss an anniversary. I guess he must not have missed it. He must have done something really nice for her.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  Um, I would just say you gotta pamper him, you gotta treat him well. What does he really like? What does he really like that he doesn't get a lot?

• 46:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  You know?

• 46:07Speaker 01

  I'm picking up.

• 46:08Speaker 02

  Okay. What I'm putting down.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  What you're putting down.

• 46:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  Just do something.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  Do something nice.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  I mean, he clearly doesn't give that much of a fuck.

• 46:16Speaker 02

  I don't think he's gonna divorce ya because of that.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  Right. It's okay to miss a fifth anniversary. Well, I'd be so mad.

• 46:23Speaker 02

  I guess fifth is like a nice round number, but-

• 46:25Speaker 01

  I'd be so mad. If my husband missed my anniversary, oh, I would never let him forget it.

• 46:30Speaker 02

  It's so funny, I wouldn't care.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  Really? Well, that's because you're in real love.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  Is that why? Because the love is real, the love is real.

• 46:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. Okay.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, your husband is so in love with you, he could give less of a shit.

• 46:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, don't worry about it. It's okay. I think, don't, just move forward. Just move forward. Yeah.

• 46:47Speaker 01

  I have a severe spending problem.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  Hmm, shit.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  I feel this.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  I might not be able to help. Okay.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  No, I have the worst.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  Do you?

• 46:54Speaker 01

  It's really out of control.

• 46:55Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm very frugal.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  Oh, I used to be?

• 46:58Speaker 02

  Hmm. I don't like to spend. I don't like to spend, and yet you leave the house, it's a hundred dollars. Don't you find this?

• 47:02Speaker 01

  I have like a, like lately, like, I've been like, clothes have been my thing.

• 47:08Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  Anything.

• 47:09Speaker 02

  Yes, well, fashionista.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:11Speaker 02

  I know, I'm seeing you at Dior.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  We were just, we hung out all night at Dior.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  I know, that was fun.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  Very fun. Very Hollywood.

• 47:17Speaker 02

  Very Hollywood.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  Very cool.

• 47:18Speaker 02

  We made it.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  I have a severe spending problem. I'm in college and have to pay for school and want to save all the important, and want to save for all the important things in my life, like a wedding and buying a home, but I just can't.

• 47:28Speaker 02

  Interesting, very heteronormative, okay. But we don't know what kind of wedding, maybe it's same-sex wedding, we don't know.

• 47:32Speaker 01

  But that is a good point.

• 47:33Speaker 02

  It's interesting, okay, sorry. Sorry to, sorry to editorialize.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  No, editorialize a what?

• 47:38Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 47:38Speaker 01

  But I just can't stop spending money on materialistic items like clothes, shoes, and so much more. I just don't know how to stop and actually save my money. Please help.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  Okay, well, you can't take it with you. And I think if it brings you joy, do it. You gotta be responsible, but I think just go for it. I don't know, she wants help, though, to save.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  My idea is like, if you're saving all this money for a wedding, and then you're not buying the things you actually want to buy in real time, then the wedding is going to be far less enjoyable because the pressure on it will be so much higher.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  That's so true.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  Because you had saved for so long.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  And the wedding is one night.

• 48:09Speaker 01

  I give low-key good advice.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  That's really good advice. Honestly, it's not low-key, that's high-key, that's good.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 48:15Speaker 02

  I think if you, if you put it all on the wedding, not only is there a lot of pressure, but it's one night.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:20Speaker 02

  It's one night, yeah, you're gonna have photos, but how often are you gonna look at the photos? But you want to buy that pair of shoes, think about cost per wear.

• 48:27Speaker 01

  Well, that's my thing.

• 48:28Speaker 02

  Think about cost per wear.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  I would so much rather spend money on something I'd wear every day or can sell in the future.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  That like, you know what I mean?

• 48:36Speaker 02

  I gotta get your Grail'd link, your private Grail'd link, okay?

• 48:38Speaker 01

  Right. Oh my god, Grail'd?

• 48:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  Oh no, I know what I'm doing this afternoon. I forgot that website existed.

• 48:44Speaker 02

  Oh, you're kidding?

• 48:45Speaker 01

  No, I literally forgot.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  I do a lot of, actually, you know what's a good hack? GEM. G E M. It searches, like, if you want to search something, it searches Grail'd.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 48:56Speaker 02

  Depop, eBay, it searches like all these, like resale sites.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  So you can find the thing you want.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  Ooh, I would prescribe Confessions of a Shopaholic, the best movie of all time.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  For this person.

• 49:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:08Speaker 02

  Oh, that's pretty good.

• 49:10Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. Have you seen that movie? Where she puts the credit card in the freezer and the ice and she's...

• 49:15Speaker 02

  Oh, that's good.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's in the kitchen, like slamming on the... It's the best movie. It's... What is it? The green scarf?

• 49:21Speaker 03

  The green scarf, yeah.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  I am cultured.

• 49:24Speaker 02

  You are. You don't need to read a friggin' book.

• 49:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  You don't need to read a friggin' book. No. Just re-watch Hacks. Don't read anything.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  What was your season you're most proud of?

• 49:32Speaker 02

  This one.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  This one?

• 49:34Speaker 02

  I think the final season is the best season. I mean, season one was great because it was new and we got to make it. You know, there were so many things about it that were great, but I don't know. I think this season. But it's also hard to choose.

• 49:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:48Speaker 02

  It is hard to choose.

• 49:49Speaker 01

  I think my favorite moment, and I'm sure others would agree with me, in the entire show is... I would. Wouldn't you?

• 49:58Speaker 02

  So not a Jimmy Kala moment. Okay, that's fine.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  Well, my favorite Jimmy Kala moment...

• 50:02Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  Is, um, I told you, the bat mitzvah.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  Oh, yes. That was fun.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  When she wears the lingerie in the hotel room.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  Classic.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  Or when...

• 50:14Speaker 01

  Bitch, I love you, bitch!

• 50:16Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. Bitch, you got this, bitch. Yeah. Oh, my God. She's funny. Yes. No, I would. Wouldn't you? That was really fun.

• 50:23Speaker 01

  Was that scripted, that whole thing?

• 50:25Speaker 02

  Yes, that was scripted, and we figured that out, I think, on day one of that season. Because we knew that we were getting to her getting the show and then not getting the late-night thing, but then... or not getting the head writer job. But I think it was day one of the writers' room that we were like, she takes it.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  So baller.

• 50:43Speaker 02

  So it was really fun.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  So unlike Ava, too.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  I know, but so like Deborah.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  So like, yeah.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  And Deborah gave her these lessons. Yeah, that was a fun... And that was actually the first day back from the strike.

• 50:53Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 50:53Speaker 02

  We went on strike and, you know, the industry went on strike, and then our first day back was that, which was like such a big scene. And I think even Hannah was like, geez, I have to do this, like, huge scene right now. And it's interesting. Like, in the moment, sometimes you're like... I don't think we knew even in the moment how great that would feel until we watched the edit, and we were like, that feels so good.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  I'll never forget. I was literally sitting on my couch over there with all my friends, and we were like...

• 51:18Speaker 01

  We just witnessed great television.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  Wow, that's cool.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, we just witnessed great television and you won't know me for it.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was cool.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:25Speaker 02

  Well, thanks for, thanks for group watching it. That's nice.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  Oh, we, I, I always group watch Hacks.

• 51:29Speaker 02

  Really?

• 51:29Speaker 01

  All my friends watch it. Everyone watches it. Everyone watches Hacks.

• 51:32Speaker 02

  So did you watch the finale with people?

• 51:33Speaker 01

  I watched it with my best friend Charlie last night.

• 51:35Speaker 02

  That's great. Oh, I know Charlie.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:37Speaker 02

  That's cool.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, you bet it's true.

• 51:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Yes, I totally forgot about this. We watched it last night.

• 51:42Speaker 02

  Oh, good.

• 51:43Speaker 01

  And we were like, damn. I mean, that scene, yeah, this, I cried when they were dancing in the club.

• 51:48Speaker 02

  That's when Lucia is most impacted.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  I don't know why.

• 51:52Speaker 02

  Me, it's the, it's the church right after that, that I'm like, a mess.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, when she lights the candle.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, and also when that song, there's that lyric, true love, that comes in, in that song, and I'm like, oh, it just really gets me. It's when Ava's accepting what happens.

• 52:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  And, and it's like, oh.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  Also, when Deborah goes to write a joke, realizing she wants to live.

• 52:15Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, like.

• 52:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:18Speaker 01

  Charlie looks at me and goes, oh, she doesn't want to die.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  She, she goes to write the joke.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  And in that moment, I saw Joan Rivers.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  Ah, that's so good.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  I saw Joan with her book, because Joan talks about her, her book, and she, in the, in her documentary, a piece of work, she points to an empty page and she goes, this, this is.

• 52:38Speaker 02

  The scariest thing.

• 52:39Speaker 01

  The scariest thing on planet Earth.

• 52:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  And in that moment, when Jean goes to write the joke, and she realizes that she's not, she's dying, Charlie's like, oh, she's gonna live. I mean, I mean, there was also so much comedy to like, I'm gonna kill myself. And she's like, you say you want to kill yourself all the time. And he was like, I don't mean it.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, she, she, she doesn't want to kill herself, she just wants to die.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  You know, my first ever research paper in eighth grade was on euthanasia.

• 53:06Speaker 02

  You're kidding.

• 53:06Speaker 01

  Swear.

• 53:07Speaker 02

  Really?

• 53:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, love it.

• 53:09Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 53:09Speaker 01

  Charlie and I were like.

• 53:12Speaker 02

  Love it, love it.

• 53:13Speaker 01

  I do, it's great. Charlie and I were like, yeah, that's the shit right there.

• 53:16Speaker 02

  Well, this is like a, talk about a tone shift, but I am like, it does feel like the thing in Hacks you would, we would, we would investigate is like, this right to life thing, and like, dying with dignity, and it feels like Ava would so be on the side of, yeah, you should be able to end your life.

• 53:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:29Speaker 02

  Except when it comes to someone you love. It's so hard to walk the walk.

• 53:31Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:32Speaker 02

  When it comes to someone you love, you know?

• 53:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, because that would be something that Ava would be like, this is great, and Deborah would be like, no.

• 53:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  So interesting.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  But Deborah loves control.

• 53:42Speaker 01

  She does love control.

• 53:43Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah.

• 53:45Speaker 01

  You know who made me crack the fuck up during my episode was what's her name? She was the the HR person that was required.

• 53:51Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, um, Michaela Watkins.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  The funniest person I've ever.

• 53:55Speaker 02

  So funny. Did you not know her before that?

• 53:57Speaker 01

  No, I knew her.

• 53:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's so funny.

• 53:59Speaker 01

  But she kept every single time she would do something different.

• 54:03Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 54:03Speaker 01

  And it was just like, same with Meg.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  She would really, in the one, her Meg would go, fuck him raw.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, my God.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  God, so.

• 54:13Speaker 02

  I'm gonna miss it.

• 54:14Speaker 01

  I know, but I'm so excited to see what you come up with next.

• 54:17Speaker 02

  Me too. Me too.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  Very excited.

• 54:20Speaker 02

  Well, and I can't wait to see you. I need your show to come out like tomorrow.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  Tomorrow.

• 54:23Speaker 02

  I do need, today's the last day of Hacks. I need it tomorrow. I. I need you to hurry up.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  I'm so excited to just take what I've learned from like a set like Hacks and bring that to the set.

• 54:36Speaker 02

  Great.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  That Genevieve, Paul.

• 54:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:38Speaker 01

  Alec, Amy and I are gonna create.

• 54:39Speaker 02

  It's gonna be great.

• 54:40Speaker 01

  Cause I was like, oh, my God, everyone's friends on this set.

• 54:43Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 54:43Speaker 01

  Everyone, everyone. Hannah was friends with every single, like, I was watching Hannah like a hawk.

• 54:47Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 54:48Speaker 01

  My first day.

• 54:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:49Speaker 01

  And she knew every single person. Everyone was best friends.

• 54:51Speaker 02

  Yep. Honestly, you should use that crew. That crew is the best one in the world. They're so.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  Is that how that works?

• 54:58Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, I mean, like, like, if you hire a department head, usually they hire a lot of the same people. Um, and our, all the departments were so, not only talented, but so devoted and good and cared so much. And also were good people. We were, it was like lightning in a bottle that we got like decent, good people.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. And you, well, so you pitched it in 2019 and you shot it in 2021?

• 55:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, um.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  Or you shot it in 20?

• 55:20Speaker 02

  We saw it in 2020.

• 55:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was, oh, it was pre pandemic. It was pre, pre vaccine pandemic. So we wore two masks and a shield. Jean used to be like, what? She's like, honey, I can't hear you because we're talking through a shield and two masks. It was crazy. And if somebody had tested positive for COVID, anyone they interacted with for like two weeks before that also had to then take like two weeks off. It was a crazy way to.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  Talk about misery in New York. I was in New York for the pandemic.

• 55:47Speaker 02

  That's really rough. That's really-

• 55:50Speaker 01

  Rough doesn't even cover it.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  I was sharing a room with my brother.

• 55:54Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  I would be on FaceTime till 3 a.m. every single night. My brother would say, "Shut the fuck up!" And I was like, "Oh my god, I'm 20 years old, I'm in a room with my brother, and I leave the house every day with gloves and two masks."

• 56:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  I'm in hell.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  And this must be hell.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  Well, especially in New York, it feels like, I don't know, at least here there was like a little bit more space and nature.

• 56:15Speaker 01

  I flew back, I ended up coming back here.

• 56:16Speaker 02

  You did, yeah.

• 56:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I started working and I was like, "Okay, whatever."

• 56:20Speaker 02

  And is that when you started like doing more videos?

• 56:22Speaker 01

  I started doing videos when the place I was working for was like, "You need to finish college before you start with us full-time."

• 56:28Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 56:29Speaker 01

  And then I started making videos.

• 56:30Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  And I was literally just reviewing octopus with my best friends.

• 56:33Speaker 02

  Right, yes.

• 56:33Speaker 01

  And that was, and then the skit started and everything just kind of like, after that.

• 56:38Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  I know, now we're here. On Therapists.

• 56:41Speaker 02

  Love it.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  I fear I've been labeled the pretentious one of the friend group.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 56:47Speaker 01

  This gives me the ick for myself. Like, it's not my fault I like good TV shows and music. I don't even go around flaunting this. I almost feel like my group might be projecting insecurities. They are.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 56:57Speaker 01

  Now, my question is, was that pretentious? I really need a reality check. No.

• 57:02Speaker 02

  Absolutely not.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  I, I don't think you're pretentious at all.

• 57:04Speaker 02

  No. In fact, I think you need, I think we, one should own the, the term pretentious and the term snob. What does snob mean? It means you care about things and you care about things that are good, and it doesn't, there's a difference between though, like, being pretentious for the sake of being pretentious.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 57:20Speaker 02

  But if you love it-

• 57:21Speaker 01

  I fall into that sometimes.

• 57:23Speaker 02

  It's hard to avoid.

• 57:24Speaker 01

  It's very hard.

• 57:25Speaker 02

  That's okay.

• 57:26Speaker 01

  Like Mama Loves Label.

• 57:27Speaker 02

  Okay, right, right, right. Yes. You have to, that's the thing, you can't just love the label, you gotta also love the thing.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  That's what Louise tells me every day.

• 57:34Speaker 02

  Okay, but that's right. But guess what? If you like, there is, some people argue, there's no difference between a, a $3 bottle of wine and a, a $300 bottle. And it's like, no, there is, actually, there is. The way that it's made, the way that it's processed, the way that it tastes, it is different. So I think if you are someone who likes something like that, that's okay. Don't be, don't be ashamed of that.

• 57:53Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  You know, as long as you're not doing it for like, oh, I like this because this is the cool thing to like. Like, don't curate in that way. You gotta be authentic to what you like. If you're authentically you and you're authentically a snob, it's okay. Just live with that.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  The only place that I am authentically a snob is television. I know good TV. I've seen enough TV where I know good television.

• 58:13Speaker 02

  You put in your 10,000 hours, you know.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 58:15Speaker 02

  You're an expert.

• 58:16Speaker 01

  God, it's so funny you say 10,000 hours. The place I used to work at was called 10K Projects.

• 58:20Speaker 02

  Really?

• 58:21Speaker 01

  Because of the 10,000 hour.

• 58:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:23Speaker 02

  Well, I'm the same way. I care about good TV and good movies. But it doesn't mean it has to be one that's like critically acclaimed.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? I can just be like, this is really good. There are certain things that have been canceled after a season and I'm like, that was so good.

• 58:36Speaker 01

  What, what, what do you think you have?

• 58:37Speaker 02

  I thought English Teacher was really good.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  English Teacher was great.

• 58:39Speaker 02

  And it had two seasons, but I thought that was really good.

• 58:41Speaker 01

  I mean, talk about one of the funniest moments in television history when, I don't know her name, but do you remember when they're talking about Stonehead? On the school bus?

• 58:50Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  Have you seen this?

• 58:53Speaker 03

  No, but I've heard.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  It's really good.

• 58:56Speaker 01

  She goes, they go, um, they go, and who's the, who is she? And she says, everyone. Do you know what I'm talking about? It is one of the funniest line deliveries of all time.

• 59:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is good. There are so many great shows that just, you know, either don't, I don't know why, but they don't continue.

• 59:11Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. You want to know what I'm thinking of is the OA.

• 59:14Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. I didn't, I didn't see the OA.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  Holy fuck.

• 59:17Speaker 02

  I can't make a judgment on the OA.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  It is fantastic.

• 59:19Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  It's the same person who did Murder at the End of the World or Murder at the, whatever it's called.

• 59:23Speaker 02

  She is fantastic. I really like her.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  She's in, and she stars in the OA.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  But at first you're watching and you're like, what the fuck is going on? And then by the end of it, you're so invested.

• 59:32Speaker 02

  Huh.

• 59:32Speaker 01

  And you're so moved by it. It's just excellent.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  And I love television, like Ben's Time.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 59:39Speaker 01

  It's my favorite genre.

• 59:40Speaker 02

  Have you seen Time Traveling Bong?

• 59:41Speaker 01

  No.

• 59:42Speaker 02

  Uh, you're kidding me.

• 59:43Speaker 01

  What's Time Traveling Bong?

• 59:45Speaker 02

  It's a prestige mini-series about me and Alana Glazer smoking a bong that brings us back in time. You have to watch it. We also go to the future. And I think that we sadly predicted that Trump would be president. Yeah.

• 59:57Speaker 01

  Really?

• 59:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:59Speaker 01

  Like an idiocracy, kind of?

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  Basically, yeah.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:01Speaker 02

  I mean, we weren't the first, but yes. But anyway.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  How did you guys, like, what happens that you, do you predict that Trump?

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  We go to the future and essentially, I think, because of Citizens United, it, what happens in the future is that we have been, because of our debt to China, we're basically, like, subsumed. And so, it's like, America has become China, kind of, and, you know, the environment, there's a lot of environmental.

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  So were you a stoner?

• 1:00:27Speaker 02

  Was I a stoner? I did smoke weed in college and after. I don't know that I would say that I was a stoner, though. I wasn't like, like, I think Ilana would, would proudly claim that she's a stoner. I don't know if I would say I was a stoner. I would say that I was a, you know, a weed smoker, but not a stoner.

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  I think I, I think I have been a stoner.

• 1:00:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  And I think, and my hot take is in 20 years, that people will talk about it the same as alcoholism.

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  Oh, you think?

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  I, I think so.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  I think it's way less dangerous than alcoholism.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  Very, very much less dangerous, but it's really addicting.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  You think?

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  I know so.

• 1:01:00Speaker 02

  Oh, wow, okay.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  Like, I know so, cuz I feel it. Like, when I, like, had to stop, when I stopped smoking for nine months, that first week, I was irritable, I was miserable, I was, like, sweating, I couldn't sleep. Like, I was going through, like, real withdrawals.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  Is that cuz you smoke a lot?

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  I smoke, I, right now, I smoke every single day.

• 1:01:18Speaker 02

  Okay, so that's, that's frequent.

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  And every day I say I'm gonna stop, but like, literally talking to you right now, I'm like, I'm definitely gonna smoke after this.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  I think that's okay. I don't know, I think it's different than, it's certainly different than drinking.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  It's way different than drinking.

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  Cuz I'm present and in my body, sometimes.

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. And you can, yeah, you can function, if you, even if you've had a lot, right? Or no?

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Kind of.

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  Can I say something I just realized?

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  Please.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  This might be one of my favorite therapist episodes I've ever recorded.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  Don't cut that.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  I'm not.

• 1:01:47Speaker 02

  Keep that in.

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  I feel so locked in with you right now.

• 1:01:49Speaker 02

  Ditto.

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:50Speaker 02

  Well, I do feel very connected to you, and I mean that.

• 1:01:53Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 1:01:53Speaker 02

  I'm like, it's so, it's so heartwarming to me that, like, literally, I, I know it's weird to be like, you're part of the family because you're working with my sister-in-law and because you're on Hacks, but you are.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  I feel so honored every time you say that, I feel so cool.

• 1:02:05Speaker 02

  It's literally true.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  Anyway.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:09Speaker 02

  I gave up coffee, you know, and it was.

• 1:02:11Speaker 01

  When?

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  I couldn't drive.

• 1:02:12Speaker 01

  When did you give up coffee?

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  I couldn't drive. I gave up coffee last summer for a couple of weeks. I was doing blood work and this is TMI. I was doing blood work and my doctor was like, don't have this before. And he's like, actually, if you can have, if you not have coffee and a couple of other things before for a while, that's good. Two weeks would be great. The first day and the second day, I could not drive.

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  The headache was so bad. I was like, this is crazy. So I stayed off coffee for like the whole summer. Because I was like, I can never, this, this is fucking me up so much. I don't think I can ever go back. And then my friend was like, oh, my dad gave up coffee for like 30 years, but he went back on. And I was like, oh, what was his experience? And she was like, he said he was tired for 30 years. And I was like, what?

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  I was like, all right, I'm not doing that. I can't be tired.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  And I'm already tired, like, all the time.

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  I'm tired every moment.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  Every single day, I'm tired.

• 1:02:56Speaker 02

  I'm exhausted. I could fall asleep right here. I could fall asleep on the ground right here.

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  Always. I walk into the gym, they go, are you tired?

• 1:03:01Speaker 02

  Yes, me too.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  Yes, I am tired.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  I know, I know. What is that?

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  It's just like life.

• 1:03:06Speaker 02

  It's just life, yeah.

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  It's like probably gluten.

• 1:03:09Speaker 02

  You think gluten?

• 1:03:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:11Speaker 02

  I think it's, I don't know. I am like, I don't know. I don't need a lot of gluten. That's why I'm saying I don't know.

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  Hi Jake, you're looking so ripped and fabulous these days. Thank you. Just wanted to note that I need advice. Oh, so is that separate?

• 1:03:26Speaker 01

  I live in North Carolina right now, but I've always wanted to live in New York and my lease ends in three months.

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:03:30Speaker 01

  Oh my God. So I'm so obsessed with the fact that like the rip thing was so separate from the other questions. So thank you so much.

• 1:03:35Speaker 02

  I know, that's sweet.

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  But I've always wanted to live in New York.

• 1:03:38Speaker 02

  Could've been cut out, but I'm glad we didn't. I'm glad we kept it.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  No, we're, we're gonna keep that one in.

• 1:03:41Speaker 02

  That's good producing.

• 1:03:42Speaker 01

  Well, Nolan, but I've always wanted to live in New York and my lease ends in three months. I hate my job. I want to quit so bad. My issue is that my boyfriend lives here and some of his, my best friends from college. I'm so sad already at the thought of leaving them, but don't want to put off my dream of living there. What should I do?

• 1:03:58Speaker 02

  You gotta go.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  I think you gotta go too.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  You gotta go.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  You gotta go. Listen to Breakaway by Kelly Clarkson.

• 1:04:03Speaker 02

  Perfect. Listen to break away, get in the car, go. I mean, of course it's sad. Endings are sad.

• 1:04:08Speaker 01

  Endings are sad.

• 1:04:08Speaker 02

  Saying goodbye is sad, but you've got to push through that. You know, and especially, I think if it's a dream of yours, you should absolutely do it. And it's better to do now than to do it later.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  I mean, imagine being like, what if?

• 1:04:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can't, you don't want that regret. Also, you might, imagine trying to do it when you're 50. Again, I, I, I'm sorry, it's too hard.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  And New York isn't a hard place to make friends, I would say.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  I think it's actually, it is way easier to be connected to people because you don't want to, honestly, you don't want to be in your apartment. I mean, unless you like have, unless you're super rich and have an amazing apartment, I'm like, you want to be out because everything's a tissue box. Everything's like so tiny.

• 1:04:41Speaker 01

  And everyone wants to make friends in New York. I've made so many random friends on a night out.

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  Totally. I do think IRL, like, meeting people is so much easier.

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  It is. In L.A., in L.A., it's almost impossible. If you were telling me you were moving to L.A., I'd be like, okay, I get your anxiety.

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  Right. It is, it can be hard.

• 1:04:55Speaker 01

  I'm thinking about starting a podcast. Well, me and my coworker who-

• 1:05:01Speaker 02

  I'm here doing research.

• 1:05:02Speaker 01

  Me and my coworker who want to do what are stuck between two topics. One is just us hanging out, but we don't want to do that without an audience already. Two is a TV show review slash walkthrough, watch-through pod, but that also seems a little broad. Any advice from me and amazing guests, of course?

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  My advice would be to go into it with zero expectations.

• 1:05:23Speaker 02

  That's good.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  Like my manager told me, like, you don't expect to see any growth for two years. So I didn't. And then I was happily surprised when I did.

• 1:05:30Speaker 02

  Okay, that's good.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  And you kind of just have to like,

• 1:05:35Speaker 01

  I don't know, I would clip it.

• 1:05:37Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  This is like actual advice. I would clip it and I would not expect to see any type of growth for like at least 20, 30 episodes. Like really build a community.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  Now, do you think in terms of the question about, should it be a rewatch? Should it be, like, do you think this person needs an in, like a hook? Or is it just like, you can just talk to your friend?

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  A little.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  I think there's too many of just talking.

• 1:05:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  I think you need like an, something to anchor you down.

• 1:06:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  So for this podcast, it was this.

• 1:06:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:06:03Speaker 01

  The Tell Me What's Wrong was always the anchor of this. That was always, but then we always got somewhere else.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:06:08Speaker 01

  But you need that anchor of just a topic.

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:11Speaker 01

  Or like a niche to fall into.

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:06:13Speaker 01

  I think.

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, and there are, the rewatch ones are successful.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  I love Girls Rewatch podcast.

• 1:06:19Speaker 02

  Oh, me too.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  They did Broad City.

• 1:06:20Speaker 02

  They did, yes, I know.

• 1:06:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. Were you on that?

• 1:06:22Speaker 02

  I was.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're lovely.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  Yes, they're great. They're great. I want them to do hacks.

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  They should do hacks.

• 1:06:27Speaker 02

  Now that it's over, now that it's over, they can.

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  They will do hacks.

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  I hope they do.

• 1:06:30Speaker 01

  They will do hacks.

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  I hope. But yeah, I think you should just do whatever you're like,

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  you're into enough that you're like, you're an expert. You know what I mean? That's the thing. Like, they can speak about Girls so well, or Broad City so well, because they've seen it. And I am like, whatever her hook is, or his hook is, it's just like you have to really love the thing.

• 1:06:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  And want to talk about it a lot, you know?

• 1:06:51Speaker 01

  For me, that's TV. So that's why I always...

• 1:06:53Speaker 02

  I, I thought about doing, they did it, because they did Broad City, but Darcy Carden and I used to joke about doing something called Locker Room Talk, because we both worked at the gym on the show.

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:01Speaker 02

  And it was just us talking about Broad City, essentially, but then other things. Never did it. We never did it, but...

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  Did you like, ever go to SoulCycle for research purposes, for that show?

• 1:07:11Speaker 02

  Well, Abby and I both went to Equinox in New York. And so, it was kind of based on her lived experience, which was, I think to get a membership, she would hand out flyers for Equinox. So I think she like, quote unquote, like, worked for them to get a free membership.

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  And then we both took a class that was like a, a class called Intensati, which was like a, like a cardio mixed martial art aerobic thing. And I don't know, that's how, she, in the pilot, she worked actually initially in a coffee shop. And the feedback was, that feels kind of unspecific, um, which was correct. And then she was like, well, I did work at Equinox, and it was kind of a crazy scene. And so then, for the, for the series, Solstice was born.

• 1:07:54Speaker 01

  Solstice?

• 1:07:55Speaker 02

  Solstice, based on Equinox, yeah.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  I need to watch Broad City. This is like making me want to re-watch Broad City.

• 1:08:00Speaker 02

  Tell me how, if it holds up. I haven't seen it in a minute.

• 1:08:02Speaker 01

  I promise you it does.

• 1:08:03Speaker 02

  Some things, some things don't.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  I didn't watch it.

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  Some things don't.

• 1:08:05Speaker 01

  Well, I didn't watch it at the time it was on television.

• 1:08:07Speaker 02

  Oh, you didn't? You were too young, is that why?

• 1:08:10Speaker 01

  No, it was, when did, what was the year it came out?

• 1:08:14Speaker 02

  Uh, I think, I think the pilot was shot in 2012.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:18Speaker 02

  So I think it came out in 2013, and you were too young. That's cool.

• 1:08:21Speaker 01

  But I watched Girls. I just, I couldn't like...

• 1:08:23Speaker 02

  Well, Girls was the same era, you know?

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  But, but Broad City was kind of like, if you know, you know. When it first started. Like, it was like, if you know comedy, you know, you know Broad City's good.

• 1:08:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, Girls was much more...

• 1:08:34Speaker 01

  Broad City's like, developed this cult, I feel like.

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  It slow burned its way into like...

• 1:08:39Speaker 02

  The collective consciousness.

• 1:08:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:41Speaker 02

  That's true. That's true.

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  Did you feel a resurgence of Broad City during COVID on TikTok?

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  I did. And, and still recently, things will come up, like, um, in the club, we're all fam or whatever. That was recent.

• 1:08:53Speaker 01

  In the club, we all fam.

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  We all fam, let's cheer with that.

• 1:08:55Speaker 01

  She did?

• 1:08:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, she did. I know.

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  I hope she got a good check out of TikTok for that one, which.

• 1:09:02Speaker 02

  I don't think there is that, right?

• 1:09:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  There isn't. There isn't.

• 1:09:06Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:09:06Speaker 01

  I don't even know why.

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  But that was cool when it, when it, you know, when it pops back up?

• 1:09:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:10Speaker 02

  And I'm almost like, how and why? How, you know?

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  And that was everywhere, by the way. Sabrina Carpenter used that sound.

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  I think Kamala did it.

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, everyone did it.

• 1:09:20Speaker 02

  Everyone did it.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  Um, my boyfriend of two years and I haven't said I love you yet.

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:09:25Speaker 01

  I know I feel that way, but I've been so hurt before. Oh, well, now I feel bad for being the first to show emotion that I held it in. I've also had the mentality that I don't want to jinx it. I get that. He is amazing and my literal dream man and treats me like a princess. I fear that he's picking up the vibes from me to not say it, but I totally know he feels the same way. What should I do?

• 1:09:42Speaker 02

  The vibes, yeah, absolutely say it. If he's picking up the vibes from you, you say it first. Oh, my gosh.

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  You should watch Gossip Girl.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  And watch Gossip Girl.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  What is it? The?

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  Original or new?

• 1:09:53Speaker 01

  Three words, eight letters, and I'm yours.

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  Okay, that's one I missed.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  You didn't?

• 1:09:58Speaker 02

  Mm-mm, didn't watch Gossip Girl.

• 1:09:59Speaker 01

  Paul.

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  I'm sorry.

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  Well, Paul, what did we learn today?

• 1:10:04Speaker 02

  We learned that we're family.

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  We are family.

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  Um, we learned that it's okay to be pretentious.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  Um, we learned to be authentically yourself and to say I love you and to be unafraid of that.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  And I love you.

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  And I love you too.

• 1:10:14Speaker 01

  And congratulations on five incredible seasons of Hacks.

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  Thank you for being a part of it.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me.

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  It's my honor.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  The series finale of Hacks is out now. Paul Downs.

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  Check it out. Salstis bow. I pussies.

• 1:10:42Speaker 00

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