Session 121: Myha'la

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Ugh, I hate Mondays.

• 0:01Speaker 01

  King's Hawaiian Cinnamon Swirl Bite?

• 0:03Speaker 00

  Uh, Taylor Hansen? Sure, I'll try one. Mmm.

• 0:09Speaker 02

  Hey, let's get back to work, please.

• 0:10Speaker 00

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• 0:15Speaker 02

  Taylor Hansen? Nice.

• 0:17Speaker 01

  Try one.

• 0:18Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 0:22Speaker 02

  King's Hawaiian Cinnamon Bites. There's nothing like it.

• 0:42Speaker 03

  It's Industry Week, you guys, okay? I've been Industry Hive since 2020, when the show first came out. It is like my, and I will never let anyone forget it. But Louise, who refuses to be on camera, right?

• 0:57Speaker 04

  Hi.

• 0:58Speaker 03

  I'm not keeping her. She just said she would do it only if she's not on camera. But she is like the only other person besides our friend Rebecca that watches Industry the way we do.

• 1:07Speaker 04

  And it is the best show of all time.

• 1:09Speaker 03

  You think of all time? I think of all time.

• 1:11Speaker 04

  Of all time.

• 1:12Speaker 03

  What do you love about it?

• 1:13Speaker 04

  It just has everything that you could ever want in a show. It has romance, it has, ugh, it has sex, it has drugs, it has high anxiety, high pressure, like...

• 1:25Speaker 03

  I think what we love about it so much is that the character arcs

• 1:29Speaker 04

  Mmm.

• 1:30Speaker 03

  are so well thought out. It reminds me of Dark on Netflix, um, in the sense that like,

• 1:37Speaker 03

  I don't know how we got from point A to point B, but it was done correctly. Because you can look back at point A and understand how we got to point B.

• 1:46Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:47Speaker 03

  Do you know what I mean? It's like where Yaz is right now. You're like, if you saw Yaz season one, you'd be, and you, and I said to you, where she ends up in season four, you'd be like, in what fucking world?

• 1:59Speaker 04

  But also, like, yeah, it makes sense.

• 2:02Speaker 03

  It makes sense because they do it so well.

• 2:04Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:04Speaker 03

  Favorite episode? You know mine.

• 2:07Speaker 04

  My favorite episode is the finale of season three.

• 2:10Speaker 03

  Yep, I was about to, okay, I was gonna say a different one, that is my favorite, ugh.

• 2:14Speaker 04

  When her and Yaz and Rob, no spoilers, but...

• 2:18Speaker 03

  Oh, if you're gonna watch these two episodes, just prepare for spoilers, it's Industry Week, we will be talking everything.

• 2:23Speaker 04

  And also, why would you not watch the show?

• 2:27Speaker 04

  Like, but the end of that episode, I cry. I'm so overwhelmed with emotion.

• 2:32Speaker 03

  Because you understand why Yaz chose Kit Harrington.

• 2:37Speaker 04

  His day, yes.

• 2:38Speaker 03

  I really hope Rob comes back for season five.

• 2:40Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 2:41Speaker 03

  I lowkey think he will.

• 2:43Speaker 04

  I do too.

• 2:44Speaker 03

  I like totally get the vibe that he has to.

• 2:47Speaker 04

  And also one-

• 2:47Speaker 03

  In some, oh my god, when he enters the screen. Okay, go, go.

• 2:50Speaker 04

  One other thing about industry is obviously I have no idea what's actually going on.

• 2:54Speaker 03

  In finance terms?

• 2:55Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, obviously. But my holla says, she's like, I also have no idea.

• 2:58Speaker 04

  And it doesn't matter. That's why you know it's so good.

• 3:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, I have no idea. But I just know based on her delivery whether it's a good or a bad thing.

• 3:06Speaker 04

  Can we also talk about them as actresses? Like, seeing them in these episodes was so amazing. They're the coolest people in the world.

• 3:13Speaker 03

  They're the coolest people in the world. And then you meet them in person, you're like, wait, you're even cooler.

• 3:18Speaker 03

  This was a, it was a good week. Industry week. Yeah, industry is the best show on television, period. And I'm so jealous of those that get to binge it. Louise has seen it twice, the whole thing.

• 3:30Speaker 04

  I have seen the first three seasons three times.

• 3:34Speaker 03

  How? What? A third? My holla is a gift. Marisa is a gift. The show is a gift. If you have not watched Industry, please watch it and enjoy tonight's episode, as always. To leave a tell me what's wrong, go to passthatpuss.com, click tell me what's wrong, and leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy. Love you pussies. Realizing I haven't done that all season. All right, well, love you pussies. Enjoy the episode.

• 4:03Speaker 03

  Welcome to The Puss.

• 4:07Speaker 04

  Hi, so happy.

• 4:07Speaker 03

  I'm so happy you're here.

• 4:09Speaker 04

  Thank you so much for having me. This feels like a long time coming.

• 4:11Speaker 03

  It does. I mean, I remember running up to you at an event three years ago, saying that Industry was my favorite show.

• 4:17Speaker 04

  Yes, I remember. That was so sweet.

• 4:20Speaker 03

  It is my favorite show on television because it's objectively the best.

• 4:24Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 4:24Speaker 03

  It really is.

• 4:26Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  Like, it really is. Like, where else are you going to get characters like that?

• 4:31Speaker 04

  They're hard to come by, I will say, which has been like the greatest gift to be on a long-running show and to still say, eight years in, like, I'm so passionate about these-

• 4:42Speaker 03

  Eight years in?

• 4:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, we started shooting in 20-

• 4:46Speaker 05

  Nineteen.

• 4:46Speaker 03

  Holy shit.

• 4:48Speaker 05

  And when it's all said and done, it will be a decade.

• 4:50Speaker 03

  Wow. And it's so funny, I was watching, I was finishing season four the other day. It's, it's, it's one of those where I do have to binge it. Because I can't wait, week by week. I, I can't do it. It is too fucking stressful.

• 5:06Speaker 05

  I don't blame you. I think a lot of people feel that way. If I was just watching the show, I would feel the same way.

• 5:11Speaker 03

  Like, there is something ingrained in my memory is Harper chewing her gum.

• 5:18Speaker 05

  Oh yeah.

• 5:18Speaker 03

  Season one. And it just bleeding. I will never forget. I don't even, mind you, I don't even know what the fuck is going on.

• 5:27Speaker 05

  No, not the dry. What do you mean? I don't even know either.

• 5:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I read that you were like, I ask if it's a good financial thing or a bad thing and I run with it.

• 5:34Speaker 05

  Hundred percent.

• 5:35Speaker 03

  I'm like, I have no idea what is going on financially, but I just know by the way you're playing it, if this is a risky situation or not.

• 5:43Speaker 05

  Hundred percent. I think that's my job. As long as people think that I know what I'm doing.

• 5:49Speaker 03

  I do.

• 5:50Speaker 05

  Okay, great.

• 5:51Speaker 03

  I do. I was like, oh, she doesn't know? Great. I don't know either.

• 5:55Speaker 05

  I'm giving everyone permission to be like, the finance, whatever. As long as you're sweating and crying and yearning and lusting, then we've done our job.

• 6:03Speaker 03

  You, it is really, you have done such an incredible job. I am low key like, I feel like a groupie of yours. I watch everything you're in. Bodies, bodies, bodies, leave the world behind, like.

• 6:15Speaker 05

  Thank you so much.

• 6:16Speaker 03

  You're incredible. And I'm just like so happy that you get to play these like incredibly complex characters.

• 6:22Speaker 05

  Thank you so much. I mean, that's like, that's my thing. I don't wanna do anything idealistic or simple or whatever. Like, I am deeply, deeply invested in humanity. I think people are so interesting. There's nothing more interesting to me than like a messed up person.

• 6:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:40Speaker 05

  I wanna know, I wanna know what makes them tick. I wanna know why they got messed up. I think probably on a level, cause I wanna know why I'm messed up. You know what I mean? It's as much about, it's really, really cathartic. There's also some stuff that like I get to do that I would never do in my real life. You know what I mean?

• 6:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:57Speaker 05

  I would never move the way Harper moved. She is cuckoo.

• 7:00Speaker 03

  She's cuckoo, but like. She's cuckoo.

• 7:04Speaker 05

  She's cuckoo.

• 7:06Speaker 03

  But you kind of see at the end of season four, I've, for the first time in the entire show, her morality like coming out.

• 7:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, totally.

• 7:16Speaker 03

  And being like, I mean, that fucking final shot of them being like, do you want one more? Is so fucking sickening, like, because you're just like, you know, you, because you knew like watching it, you're like, one more season, like one more round for Harper, like, let's fucking go.

• 7:32Speaker 05

  Ah, I'm so glad you're excited. When we were shooting that, actually, it was so funny because the first couple of takes, they were like, okay, my holla, we're just on your face. So you're gonna like, give her a look. And the first time I was like this.

• 7:46Speaker 05

  Like, you know, I want more. They were like, okay, maybe a little more subtle, like calm down a little bit. But I was like, I want more.

• 7:54Speaker 03

  Every season, I was talking to Marisa about this yesterday. I was saying, I feel like the official industry podcast at this point, like, but um, you, they, Mickey and Conrad, they planned it as if it's their last, right?

• 8:07Speaker 05

  Always. Yeah. I mean, I think that's smart because the truth of this whole business is you really don't know if you're gonna go again.

• 8:17Speaker 03

  Right.

• 8:17Speaker 05

  They might put you in contract for three, five, seven, but I think how it's been, at least my experience has been there, there, it's never guaranteed until they see some more scripts and they feel excited about where they want to go next, that they get a green light. And then we all are like, okay, we're going again. But it's really always a question mark. So I think writing as if it is the end is totally smart. And then it gives you a serious challenge to write yourself out of it. And I think Mickey and Conrad do a really, really good job of that every, every year.

• 8:48Speaker 03

  And they're ex bankers, right?

• 8:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Mm hmm. I think Mickey did like five years and Conrad did three.

• 8:55Speaker 03

  And then did they meet like via banking and then just like come up with this idea?

• 8:59Speaker 05

  They met in school. They met in, in university. Um, and I, they, they were, they were like a sort of creative pair for a long time. I think they were making shorts and they were shooting their own stuff. I think maybe Mickey got involved first and then, and then they both came up with the idea that inspired industry. They did something quite similar. And then they were like, oh, this is, this is the story we want to explore.

• 9:22Speaker 03

  Yasmin and Harper's relationship at this point is like. You're, I don't even know what the fuck is going on with them, but it's like, it's the only love, like they love each other down.

• 9:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:36Speaker 03

  But like where, in an ideal world for you, like where do you want to see them end up?

• 9:43Speaker 05

  I think sentimentally, obviously, I would love if they were like, we are sisters and they got it together. Do you know what I mean? Like they, they have had so many like moments of vulnerability and connection, especially in this, like that, that bar scene in episode seven before the club.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  That's gonna go down in history.

• 10:05Speaker 05

  Thank you. I mean, it was a, that was sort of like an accumulative final straw. We have nothing else to do but absolutely be totally honest. No ulterior motive, nothing. It was pure, pure love.

• 10:21Speaker 05

  And then it sort of all goes to shit. But I think about them as sisters.

• 10:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:26Speaker 05

  I don't know any other relationship besides sibling one where you could really say like the meanest fucking thing. I wanna hurt you so badly. And the next week they're like, hey.

• 10:37Speaker 03

  They've hit each other before, right?

• 10:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. We slapped the shit out of each other. Yeah, we did.

• 10:42Speaker 03

  You did. Like, and it, and it, it's gotten to the point where it's like, you're like, nothing is surprising with the two of them. Like, you're like, like, like, I can't even, I'm like trying to collect my thoughts, but there's like so many, like, you're basically, like, the entire season, for those that don't know, Harper was betting on the demise of Yasmin's husband's company. And when Yasmin finds out, like, you kind of do it and you kind of like, you kind of like make eye contact, like.

• 11:15Speaker 05

  I told you.

• 11:16Speaker 03

  The name of the game.

• 11:17Speaker 05

  Yeah. And even, I mean, I think another, like, Signal that there is real love there is for the first time Harper tries to warn her like she really tries to warn her.

• 11:27Speaker 03

  Yes, I was shocked when she did that. I was shocked. Like you brought her, you were like, look, I'm shorting the company. There's some shit going on. And I was like, oh, because in my mind, I'm like, that fucks with Harper's game because she can go and fucking fidget and figure things out and fuck up her short.

• 11:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:43Speaker 03

  I'm like, sound like a finance guy, but like really that I was shocked when Harper did that.

• 11:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think this whole season has been a big, was a big challenge for Harper. Because where she's always been business minded, she truly does try to protect the people that she cares about. I mean, even, even deciding to work with Eric. I mean, that is risky. Like that is also another really sordid, complicated relationship built on a lot of trauma. And she goes into it with a, with a more open heart than you might expect of her.

• 12:23Speaker 03

  I was shocked. Harper shocked me.

• 12:26Speaker 05

  Harper, Harper shocked me too. I was, but this was like, sort of the only way we could go with her. Because we've seen her be a shark, steely, been conniving and completely self-serving in terms of business. And this was the first season where I thought, well, I mean, we could, we could do the same thing, but that's not true to human. Like we all evolve, we all grow.

• 12:49Speaker 03

  Right.

• 12:50Speaker 05

  And I think the question is, once you have everything you've always dreamed of that you've worked so hard towards, which is what she's got. She's her own boss. She has employees, she's got agencies, her reputation on the street as a market mover is solid. Now what? Like you can make money and make money and make money. Now what? And especially by the end of the season, she has all those things and she has, she has no one to share them with. She's lost her whole family, her brother, her mother, her dad has never been in the picture. She loses Eric. She loses Quabena and sort of then Sweet Pea, that relationship is tainted. And now she loses Yasmin, her last, last ship. That's it.

• 13:34Speaker 05

  She's totally alone in this world and she has all this money, but who cares? You know?

• 13:38Speaker 03

  Right. She's so lonely at the end of it.

• 13:40Speaker 05

  She's completely alone. And I love that you bring up that final image because I think that question, are you done? Have you had enough?

• 13:50Speaker 05

  She's really asking herself, have I? And she also happens to be on a PJ, so like, maybe she hasn't, honey.

• 13:59Speaker 03

  Maybe not.

• 13:59Speaker 05

  Maybe not.

• 14:00Speaker 03

  But that final episode was just like so gutting. What was your like big reaction when you like got the script?

• 14:08Speaker 05

  Well, look, I mean, it's it's not that it's not totally depressing, it's horrendous.

• 14:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:16Speaker 05

  It's also like you can see this, you can see the steps, you see exactly how we got here. Hurt people hurt people, you know? It's it's heartbreaking and I think

• 14:29Speaker 05

  as Harper like playing it, there was because of all of this loss, there was just so much shock. I think, you know, when you're like running on E, you haven't slept, you haven't eaten, something tragic has happened to you and you really feel like you're at the bottom of the barrel and then one more thing happens.

• 14:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:44Speaker 05

  And you just, you have not, you don't even have the energy to be devastated. You go into that sort of like comatose.

• 14:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:53Speaker 05

  And you see, I mean, you see her right after that conversation, she's just in the bed. Like if we had eight more episodes, she'd be there in the bed.

• 15:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:00Speaker 05

  Depressed.

• 15:01Speaker 03

  Just being like, what the fuck now?

• 15:02Speaker 05

  No shower, none of it. Yeah, so I was, I was really looking forward to exploring what that sort of void feels like? And what does a person do to try to soothe themself? And it was, I think, one of the most challenging parts was justifying, finding the love in her still choosing Kua Bana after all of that. Because she, she says in that scene after that, like, they have a moment of connection.

• 15:40Speaker 03

  Right.

• 15:40Speaker 05

  Despite him coming back and saying, I just cheated on you again. And I don't think you want this. It's like, girl, why would I want this? You keep fucking with me.

• 15:48Speaker 03

  But it's like,

• 15:49Speaker 05

  She's desperate.

• 15:49Speaker 03

  Is that relationship even like, he's like, he's almost like begging you to be like, don't do this and you won't. You're like, okay.

• 15:59Speaker 05

  Well, there's so much, so much humiliation.

• 16:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:02Speaker 05

  Like the amount of energy that it takes her in that moment to be like, To be honest at all, to be like, how do you expect me to function with you?

• 16:12Speaker 03

  Right.

• 16:13Speaker 05

  You know? Takes so much guts. It's also totally not the Harper we know. The Harper we know would be like, fuck you.

• 16:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:21Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? She would start another fight. She would get mad. She would probably do something to him, fire him. I don't know.

• 16:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 16:27Speaker 05

  But she doesn't. And that's like, one of the beauties of being on like a long running thing, doing TV in general, is you really get to evolve a person. You get to explore how time, space, relationships, the world affects them. And you get to explore who they want to be, who they want to be.

• 16:49Speaker 03

  Right.

• 16:49Speaker 05

  Cause I think, I mean, like, I'm, I'm, I'm asking myself this question every day and I'm, I'm making new decisions towards like, who do I want to be today and beyond?

• 17:00Speaker 05

  And I think that's really cool.

• 17:01Speaker 03

  It is really cool. And you've like, the whole, you and the whole cast have done such an excellent job within the industry. Where do you see like, the turning point? For like, where was Harper's turning point this season?

• 17:15Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 17:15Speaker 03

  Do you think it was when Eric left?

• 17:17Speaker 05

  Oh, boy. Ken is one of the greatest actors of all time, in my personal opinion. He is, he's just really amazing. It's very easy to love him. He really does wear his heart on his sleeve. And that's another great thing about this show is that we are following a bunch of people who make decisions that would make them seem irredeemable.

• 17:39Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 17:40Speaker 05

  But they're so infused with humanness that it becomes relatable and you want them to succeed. You want them all to go to therapy and like, get fixed.

• 17:50Speaker 03

  And like, have the gang back together and like, be like, oh.

• 17:54Speaker 05

  Right into the sunset.

• 17:54Speaker 03

  Get, have a beer at the pub and hang out.

• 17:58Speaker 05

  But I think, um, yeah, that was a huge one for her.

• 18:04Speaker 05

  I think, I think another really hardcore turning point that I think she was sort of forced into was finding out her mom died.

• 18:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:14Speaker 05

  Because the entire first four episodes is Eric trying to convince Harper to work with him and to create a more intimate relation, like a sort of friendship.

• 18:27Speaker 03

  Right, yeah, there was like, you know what this is, yeah, yeah.

• 18:30Speaker 05

  Please, like, share your life, like, if we're gonna work together, like, we should really, and she's like, you know, you know, nothing good comes of that, considering their history, and the job is going well.

• 18:42Speaker 05

  But she is in so much turmoil finding out that her mother has gone. She, she has no one to turn to, and she is desperate just to, just to talk to someone. And he's there and he makes himself available. And that, aside from her, her loving relationship with Yasmin, I think that's the other sort of loving relationship in Harper's life, that it is a sort of pseudo paternal. He's also been her mentor, and he really was the one who, who took a chance on her. He picked her sort of out of obscurity, knowing that she didn't really have the qualifications.

• 19:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, people forget that Harper came to Pier Point lying about her resume. I mean, that was the whole thing about season one.

• 19:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:31Speaker 03

  Was that you didn't have the qualifications.

• 19:33Speaker 05

  Right, right.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  You were better than everyone on the floor.

• 19:35Speaker 05

  Per, period. But the reason she doesn't want to get into this personal relationship with him, like, let's just make it business, because despite him being the one who allowed her to be in that space, he's also the one who outs that. He's also the one who gets her fired.

• 19:49Speaker 03

  That was crazy. The shit that's happened in this show, like you- I mean, I never thought start. I remember starting, sitting there, starting season one, being like, what am I about to get into?

• 20:01Speaker 05

  You had no idea.

• 20:02Speaker 03

  I had no idea. Luis has seen the show through twice.

• 20:05Speaker 05

  Oh, great.

• 20:08Speaker 03

  I'm like, how do you sit and watch this twice? Like, it's the most stressful, but it makes like, talking to you and Marisa has like, made me be like, I think I want to restart it.

• 20:18Speaker 05

  Go for it. I feel like, honestly, especially having been a part of our family from day one.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  I was. I was industry high from day one.

• 20:28Speaker 05

  Day one gang. I love, thank you, thank you. Cause I wouldn't be sat here today if it weren't for you and the rest of the people who were like, diehard from day one. I'm so serious.

• 20:37Speaker 03

  It is, it was, it picked me up during such a dark time in my life in COVID. Like, I just remember being at my parents' house, sitting there, watching it and feeling like I was part of this family. That's what like, you guys are so good at doing. Like, I felt like I was part of this family.

• 20:51Speaker 05

  Oh, that's amazing. I mean, we really, kind of from day one, but have become a really strong family. It feels like family. And I think that chemistry, that bond, that trust that we created, fills the show. Like, it's that sort of unnameable chemistry-like thing, which I also think is why, like, people want Yaz and Harper together, because Marisa and I are actually friends.

• 21:20Speaker 03

  Right. You're her bridesmaid.

• 21:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. We actually love each other. So even when we're fighting, it's coming, despite itself, it's coming from a place of very deep love and appreciation and respect. And those colors, the nuance, I mean, the same with me and Ken, like, I just have, we have had a deep love for one another, which is why people are like, why do we want them together? Because you know it comes from love.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  Real love.

• 21:48Speaker 05

  Yeah. And on the page, it wasn't always that. It wasn't like, oh, these people actually love each other. It's like, no, these people are stabbing each other in the back.

• 21:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:56Speaker 05

  And that's, that's sort of the magic of like, great teamwork and real chemistry, which does sort of feel like lightning in a bottle.

• 22:07Speaker 03

  It is. Was there like a moment this season, or honestly, any season where like, something wasn't scripted?

• 22:13Speaker 05

  There definitely is some. Not when we're doing any sort of business-y deal.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Well, of course not.

• 22:19Speaker 05

  Because we would all be like.

• 22:23Speaker 05

  The sort of nature of this entire show is Mickey and Conrad learning their actors and writing for us. I mean, there have been whole storylines that were inspired by real-life stories that actors connect to. They're really good at that. I think that's what makes them special writers. Because they write, they really write for us. But the, the, there was like a couple, but specifically, and it wasn't exactly improv, but specifically the scene where Harper speaks to Eric about her mom passing. On the page, I mean, it was, I think the scene ended up being like five or six pages long. But when I got it first, it was maybe four, three or four. And the direction was more like Harper is numb.

• 23:08Speaker 05

  She doesn't cry. She doesn't know how to feel. It feels quite disconnected. And I thought like,

• 23:15Speaker 05

  if I, if I was in her shoes and this monumental thing happened to me and I, I felt numb or I didn't know how to feel about it, that would confuse me so much. I would feel so lost and so alone and the emotion would come from that. It would come from being so deeply confused and frustrated at the fact that I don't know how to feel about my own mother dying. Yeah. It's so confusing and so isolating and then also being so far away from home, you know? I think also the fact that she feels sort of pinned, forced into this now very intimate relationship with Eric that she was trying so hard not to do. It feels like a sort of betrayal of self.

• 24:00Speaker 05

  So all of that is where the emotion comes from. I often cry when I'm confused and frustrated. Yeah. So I just, I said to the boys, I was like, hey, I understand this version. Is there a world in which maybe we can let her be a little more childlike, a little more insecure and like really reveal something to him? And then it creates, and that like affected what Eric said. So then the scene became longer. I just, I ended up writing them like this stream of consciousness thing and I just like WhatsApped it to our group chat and was like, here's my thoughts. When I like put myself in her shoes while I'm working on the scene, here are my thoughts. Just here they are. And then when we went to shoot, like,

• 24:44Speaker 05

  Ninety-five percent of the stuff that I wrote ended up in the new scripts on the day.

• 24:50Speaker 05

  Which was amazing. I was really, really, really grateful that they

• 24:55Speaker 05

  wanted to include those things. Cause I feel like there's so much about Harper that we don't know.

• 25:05Speaker 03

  We get plopped into Harper's world after after she grew up essentially. And I feel like I don't know why as a viewer, I wasn't expecting her to care. But like, I wasn't expecting her to care that her mom died. Like the Harper that I knew hates her mom. And was like, would have just been like, no. So when it went the other way. And like the short was going well, everything was going well and that happened, you would think she'd be like, I can't, I can't. And she like does and basks in that like emotion. It was very shocking as a viewer to see.

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• 26:51Speaker 05

  I'm always interested in the sort of unexpected turn of something. I often feel surprised by the way I respond to things, especially as I grow. I'm 30 now.

• 27:01Speaker 03

  You're 30?

• 27:02Speaker 05

  Yes, girl, get into it.

• 27:03Speaker 03

  Oh, do you like it? Do you like being 30?

• 27:06Speaker 05

  I love being 30.

• 27:07Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 27:07Speaker 05

  Being 30 is amazing.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  Everyone says that.

• 27:10Speaker 05

  It's ama- how old are you?

• 27:11Speaker 03

  26.

• 27:11Speaker 05

  Work, you're in the midst of your Saturn return?

• 27:13Speaker 03

  I know, I know, I'm scared.

• 27:15Speaker 05

  It's okay, I'm praying for you and it's gonna be fine.

• 27:17Speaker 03

  How was yours?

• 27:18Speaker 05

  She ate me up, low key.

• 27:21Speaker 05

  She ate me up.

• 27:23Speaker 03

  What was it like, when did it start for you and what was it like? I'm sorry, industry hype, I need five seconds to like go down this road.

• 27:29Speaker 05

  We're about to get into my medical history. It probably started around 25 and it did indeed sort of start with a tummy issue. I am now-

• 27:40Speaker 03

  My back hurts.

• 27:41Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 27:42Speaker 03

  My back hurts.

• 27:43Speaker 05

  Listen, spirit moves through you in mysterious ways. Yeah, it started with tummy issues, which sent me on this journey of like physical, physical health and wellness. And I, at one point, I'm not kidding, was so frustrated that I was like, I need God.

• 28:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 05

  Nothing is working, none of these pills, none of these yogas, I need God.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  Like, I need literal religion right now.

• 28:10Speaker 05

  Give me the crystal, whatever, like, I'll do anything to fix this. And I think I just discovered that so much of the physi- it felt very much like emotionally and energetically, I had to deal with some things to just make room in my spirit for like the drugs to work.

• 28:29Speaker 03

  Right.

• 28:31Speaker 05

  It's been my experience that like the mind, the spirit or the mind and the body are like intrinsically linked. And I needed to like get right with myself. I had to learn how to really love myself and like love on myself so that I could take care of my body better. It's like such a crazy process, it feels like- I really felt like I was being ripped to shreds.

• 28:55Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 28:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm sorry, sweetie, I really am. But honestly, it's worth it and I think anything, anything worth doing is gonna be hard.

• 29:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:04Speaker 05

  Um, the body needs stress to grow, that's why we work out, we break our muscles apart so they can grow bigger, stronger, shapely, whatever. Um, so yeah, a lot of that was about like, learning how to set my boundaries. Like, understand what my boundaries are, what do I need? Put myself first, set my boundaries, maintain them in a respectful way. Um, speak my truth and also only speak abundance into my own life. Like, deciding what it is I think I deserve and like, saying it with my chest until I believe it. A lot, it was like five years of like, I don't actually believe it, but I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna say, I'm just gonna say it until it becomes true. And I turned thirty and now it's true.

• 29:44Speaker 03

  And what, like, did you used to have like, negative self-talk?

• 29:47Speaker 05

  Absolutely, I mean, and I still do, don't get me wrong, like, it's a practice, honey. Every single day I'm saying like, I deserve this, I deserve, I deserve to love myself. Um, I still have negative thoughts, I still have anxiety and I still have, um, occasionally I have imposter syndrome and occasionally I feel like I'm not prepared for something. But I also know that like,

• 30:10Speaker 05

  the universe loves me and I wouldn't be put in the positions that I'm in if I couldn't handle it. And I have big goals and big dreams and I have to be able to advocate myself or else I'm not gonna get them.

• 30:20Speaker 03

  Right.

• 30:21Speaker 05

  Um, so yeah, my, that was, that was what that was and my tummy is healed, thank god.

• 30:27Speaker 03

  Thank god.

• 30:28Speaker 05

  But really, honestly, in like a less woo-woo way, it was like, learning about nutrition, learning about my circadian rhythms, um, and making sure that I don't overextend myself so that I can show up to work and my life every day is like, the best version of myself.

• 30:42Speaker 03

  Was there ever like, a part of shooting industry that you felt overextended?

• 30:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, yeah, the, the-

• 30:52Speaker 05

  The first season we shot, I had only done, I'd done like one episode of television and I did an indie feature in New York that I did like five days on. And then I landed in the UK and they were like, lead this HBO series for six months, work every day, do it well, and then like be chill about it.

• 31:14Speaker 03

  Like, what was the audition process like for you for that? Like, did you walk in being like, this is just another audition? Or did you walk in being like, this role is mine?

• 31:23Speaker 05

  So, the tea about this is that when I got this audition, I was like in the midst of a crisis. I had just lost a job that they said was mine, that I was like counting the dollars and deciding the ways in which this was gonna change my life. And they, literally the director in the room was like, it's yours. And the next day, they were like, they went another direction. Broke my heart into like a million tiny pieces.

• 31:46Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 31:47Speaker 05

  It was horrible. At the time, I was bald, very androgynous, didn't, yeah. And I was comparing myself a lot to the people who were getting the jobs. I was like, they're more feminine than me, they wear makeup, they are taller, they're shorter, they're darker skin, they're lighter skin. And I was, was really like, do I need to change the way I look or present myself to be palatable to people just so I get a chance? And I'm really like, I really wear my heart and myself on my sleeve and the idea of changing my outside felt like a betrayal of myself. And it was just like, I was crashing out. And then I got the audition for Industry like a week later.

• 32:30Speaker 05

  And I was supposed to go out with my friends, so we were like pre-gaming in the apartment. And I was like, oh fuck, I have this audition, will you guys tape it with me? So I'm like a little tipsy in the tape.

• 32:38Speaker 03

  Shut up. I have to see this tape now.

• 32:41Speaker 05

  No, girl. That shit is buried. It's not that good. Um, but they saw something in it and they asked me to do another round of tapes with two additional scenes. And in between, I read two more episodes and I met with Mickey and Conrad. And they gave me some thoughts and ideas. So I retaped, thank god. Um, and a week later... They were like, they want you to meet Lena Dunham, who's gonna direct the pilot.

• 33:02Speaker 03

  Right.

• 33:03Speaker 05

  So I met her in person and she was so quirky. We sat on the floor while we did the read. And she was like, you'll be hearing from us very soon.

• 33:11Speaker 03

  Oh, that's so her, I feel like.

• 33:13Speaker 05

  So her. And I walked out, I mean, I wasn't in there but like thirty minutes and I walked out and called my team and they were like, what happened? And I was like, well, we're done. They said, was it good? And I was like, I mean, I think so. We sat on the floor, so I think that's good.

• 33:24Speaker 03

  Right.

• 33:25Speaker 05

  And then a week later, they were like, they want to travel you to Cardiff to test with the other actors. And when I showed up, it was just me there, testing for Harper. Every, I think almost all the other roles was one person, except for maybe one role, there was two people. But that was when I was like, oh, per, like, it's just me.

• 33:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I got this shit.

• 33:44Speaker 05

  If I like royally screw this up, okay, but if it goes well, if I do what I've been doing, I think this is mine.

• 33:52Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 33:53Speaker 05

  Um, and then maybe a week later, the day before my birthday, I found out I got the job.

• 34:02Speaker 03

  And was it like, how, what, did, what, what did you feel like, knowing that you didn't have to change anything about yourself to get it?

• 34:10Speaker 05

  Yay.

• 34:10Speaker 03

  Were you like, I'm so grateful that I didn't fall into that crash out?

• 34:14Speaker 05

  Well, I literally was like, this, this is why you hold steadfast, like, this is, this is why you feel so strongly about showing up as yourself. Because the right project, the right people will find you.

• 34:28Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 34:28Speaker 05

  You just have to have faith and be patient and like, hold on. Um, so that was real confirmation that I should never like, never try to change myself to fit some version of what I think someone else wants. Also, the real gag is casting and creatives, whatever, they don't want you to do a version of what they think.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  Right.

• 34:47Speaker 05

  Because oftentimes, they don't even know.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, they don't.

• 34:50Speaker 05

  They're look, they do not know. They're looking for someone to tell them, oh, that's what I want, or that challenged thing that I thought I want and it inspires me. So I think that's what happened. And they were like, I'm so down. Um, so yeah, I mean, they were like, do you want to stay bald? And I was like, no, no, no. Like, let, let me, let me do a little something. Let me change for the role. Um, but yeah, I mean, I went into that season totally unprepared for how much responsibility it was. I was so excited. But it was so, so much that I didn't even realize I hadn't given myself an opportunity, time, or space to process until literally the day we wrapped.

• 35:32Speaker 05

  We did like the rap party and then everyone came over to mine and we like had a sesh and it was so fun.

• 35:37Speaker 03

  I would pay money.

• 35:38Speaker 05

  You.

• 35:39Speaker 03

  To sesh with every single person on that cast.

• 35:41Speaker 05

  Been there.

• 35:42Speaker 03

  I should have been there. You're like, oh, am I pure point?

• 35:47Speaker 05

  It was so fun. We tried to, we tried to get them to let us have the, the party on the trading floor and they were like.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  Oh, come on. They said no?

• 35:54Speaker 05

  Well, there was like millions and trillions of dollars of like Bloomberg terminals everywhere. I was like, I'm not letting you get fucked up on the trade floor. It's like such a risk. But everyone was at mine. They all left at like three in the morning and I closed the door on the last person. I turned around and sunk to my knees and wept. For I don't even know how long. I was like crawling around my apartment crying so hard. And I finally found my phone and I called Marisa and I was hysterical. I don't remember what I said. I don't really remember exactly what happened, but I do know that I left my apartment. It was raining. I was crying in the rain. She found me because we lived all in the same complex. She found me in the rain. She, she brought me back into my apartment.

• 36:38Speaker 05

  And she, she like brushed my teeth for me and put me to sleep and stayed in the bed with me until I like cried myself to sleep. She stayed with me the whole.

• 36:48Speaker 03

  You guys are really Yaz and Harper. With less of the backstabbing.

• 36:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, right. No, none of that.

• 36:54Speaker 03

  But that's why it reads so well because it's so real. That love is so real.

• 36:58Speaker 05

  It's really real. She like literally held me while I cried and like my body just experienced the whole six months because I didn't know what to do with that.

• 37:08Speaker 03

  You were on go mode.

• 37:08Speaker 05

  I was, I was totally on go mode.

• 37:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:11Speaker 05

  And I finally, when my body was like, it's done. You can relax now. It was like

• 37:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:15Speaker 05

  All of it came over me. Um, and I released it all and I let it go.

• 37:20Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 37:20Speaker 05

  It was crazy. And then I was awoken by the driver being like, come to the airport. Time to go to America. And I was like, I'm not packed. I have not, it was cra- I left that apartment in shambles. Shambles. There were, I mean, it was disgraceful, the condition I left that apartment in, but.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  It's okay. You made great television out of it.

• 37:38Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 37:39Speaker 03

  How are you planning on saying goodbye to Harper?

• 37:42Speaker 05

  Yeah. This is a great question that I really haven't put too much thought to.

• 37:48Speaker 05

  I don't think I'll ever truly say a real goodbye. She is a, she is a part of who I am.

• 37:56Speaker 05

  And who I wanna be. I think it's sort of twofold. It's like sad because her the, our story, me and her story is ending. I'm sort of leaving her behind.

• 38:13Speaker 05

  But when this is done, that chapter is closed. I have, I have a new, a new chapter to open. Now I am literally, I'm just literally available.

• 38:26Speaker 05

  There's so much more work I wanna do. I'm, I'm writing and I'm trying to develop a couple of things for myself. So now I'll have the time, energy, the space, the experience and the confidence to start working on those things, which I'm really excited about.

• 38:45Speaker 03

  Do you want, are those things more television or movie or both?

• 38:48Speaker 05

  I have both. I have both that I'm interested in. I'll never not do TV.

• 38:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm a TV guy through and through.

• 38:53Speaker 05

  Me too, I really am.

• 38:55Speaker 03

  I feel like with television, you can fall into these worlds so much more intensely and like really become part of a family.

• 39:02Speaker 05

  Totally. The time, just the sheer amount of time, like it's, it's like depending on how many episodes you have, it's like eight movies.

• 39:08Speaker 03

  Right.

• 39:08Speaker 05

  We have so much time to explore and go deeper and and you get to change and evolve and like Harper season one is not Harper season four and she won't be Harper season five. Do you know what I mean?

• 39:19Speaker 03

  I feel like, I mean, I feel like season five Harper will have a like, I feel like she's gonna go on this like moral, like trying to make up for like looking at Yaz and being like, wait, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, like how did we get here? Like we're not doing this.

• 39:35Speaker 05

  She's gonna turn to Christ.

• 39:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, she is literally gonna turn to Christ.

• 39:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm, I'm really excited to see where we go with, with Harper, with everyone with the show. I mean, knowing, knowing that it's the last one, I'm pretty sure the boys are just gonna go

• 39:50Speaker 03

  Rip it.

• 39:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, they are. They are. They're gonna, right. I mean, I think yesterday on the, we, we did a panel yesterday. They were talking about like, From day one, there was sort of a basket of things they were interested in doing. And now that they know the time is nearing an end, they're gonna try to get all that shit that's in the basket into season five. So are you excited?

• 40:08Speaker 03

  I like, actually, like, I think I want to visit set one day.

• 40:11Speaker 05

  Oh, my God, you should.

• 40:12Speaker 03

  At this rate, like, I think I need to come.

• 40:14Speaker 05

  You should totally come.

• 40:16Speaker 03

  Mickey Conrad, please let me come visit set like I would.

• 40:19Speaker 05

  They're cut. No, you're gonna come.

• 40:20Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 40:20Speaker 05

  You should totally come. Come to Cardiff.

• 40:22Speaker 03

  Please, I would. Me and Louise would have. It would be field trip day.

• 40:26Speaker 05

  It would be so fun. Why not? We would love to have you.

• 40:29Speaker 04

  I think we'll be there.

• 40:31Speaker 05

  We would love to have you.

• 40:32Speaker 03

  It is seriously like that show has done things for me like, oh, you have no idea.

• 40:37Speaker 05

  I'm so glad. I mean, I love hearing that because it has done so many things for me. And I feel like maybe, I don't know if this is like a thing, but like I'm a fan. I'm a fangirl. You know what I mean?

• 40:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:50Speaker 05

  I love to fan over things.

• 40:52Speaker 03

  I'm the biggest fangirl of all time.

• 40:53Speaker 05

  I'm such a fan.

• 40:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:55Speaker 05

  And I am a fan of this show. There's so much of it that I'm not in. So like when I watch it, I'm still kind of watching it.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:03Speaker 05

  Like half brain is as me and I'm criticizing myself, but the other half of me is just like enjoying my friends in the show, the story, like I'm really invested in it. So, so hearing other people say that it's meant something to them is like, I mean, it means the world to me.

• 41:19Speaker 03

  It really is so incredible. Do you have like a favorite episode ever?

• 41:23Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 41:24Speaker 03

  I have mine.

• 41:25Speaker 05

  Oh, wait, what's yours?

• 41:26Speaker 03

  Okay, mine's the finale of three.

• 41:29Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, I think that's one of the greatest episodes of television of all time.

• 41:33Speaker 03

  Of all time.

• 41:34Speaker 05

  Maybe.

• 41:34Speaker 03

  Bar none, hands down. Like, that episode changed like how I view the world.

• 41:40Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 41:41Speaker 03

  Just because it was so good. You know, when something's so good and you're just like looking at life like.

• 41:45Speaker 05

  I'm changed.

• 41:46Speaker 03

  Artistically, like, that's how that episode made me feel like I've.

• 41:49Speaker 05

  Oh, God.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  That episode, the one where Harper is.

• 41:54Speaker 03

  Trading on the trading floor like

• 41:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, that one, episode four, right?

• 41:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, those two episodes I think are my favorite of industry of all time.

• 42:02Speaker 05

  Thank you. Yeah, I'm glad. Those are, I mean, phenomenal episodes. I feel like episode, my, my husband is always saying to people who haven't seen the show, um, and it doesn't, he's not sure, like if they're not sure if it's going to be for them, he says, start on episode four of season one.

• 42:17Speaker 03

  Really?

• 42:17Speaker 05

  Because that episode with that trade, the anxiety, I think kind of sets the tone for like, oh, this show is a finance show, but it's really more like, um, making Conrad say, it's like, how do we make a trade feel like a car chase?

• 42:31Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 42:32Speaker 05

  Um, and that's the one that does it. I think anyone who watches and they're not sure they're like locked in by, by episode four.

• 42:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:38Speaker 05

  I feel like one of my favorite episodes. Oh, my God, there's actually so many. Now I'm thinking about, I think it's episode six, the Christmas episode of season one.

• 42:47Speaker 03

  You guys always fucking kill on Christmas episodes. The Christmas episode, is that like a thing that they say, oh, it's the Christmas episode?

• 42:54Speaker 05

  Yes, the Brits fucking love Christmas.

• 42:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, they really do.

• 42:57Speaker 05

  They like love Christmas so bad.

• 42:59Speaker 03

  They do.

• 43:00Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, that one's great.

• 43:02Speaker 03

  Which one are you thinking of?

• 43:03Speaker 05

  Ben Lloyd Hughes, when he runs into the glass at the, in epis, in the first season, and he like is banging himself into the glass, that one is really great. There's also so much tea with like Robert and Yasmin and Harper in that episode.

• 43:17Speaker 03

  I miss Robert.

• 43:18Speaker 05

  I know, we all do. Shout out Harry Lottie, we love you.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  Love you town.

• 43:26Speaker 03

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• 44:47Speaker 03

  I'd never seen like bisexuality like portrayed just so casually like that. I was like, it was in the midst of COVID. I was watching, I was watching industry and all of a sudden, he was like really like courting Yaz. And then he like got his dick sucked by this guy. And I was, and then they didn't really harp on it at all.

• 45:07Speaker 05

  Also, like, go off, a young white man doing that? I think that one of the things that Making Conrad are really good about, that the show is good about is like, because people are always like, isn't it a show about like sexuality? Is it a show about race? Is it a show about, and it's like, no, it's a finance show. And all of these things happen, but we're not trying to tell the audience how they should feel about it.

• 45:29Speaker 03

  Right.

• 45:29Speaker 05

  It's just like, here it is. And then you get to be like, oh damn, I could just be by and it's not a thing, or whatever. You know what I mean?

• 45:38Speaker 03

  Because they don't make it a thing. It's just, it's just they lay it out and they're like, here you go.

• 45:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, we're not, we're not trying to like bully the audience into feeling like yay gay or not yay gay. You know, we're just like, here's a piece of the world with no judgment. I think that is really good TV making.

• 45:56Speaker 03

  It's excellent.

• 45:56Speaker 05

  I want to shout out a specific sequence as well in episode four of season one. I love season one, apparently.

• 46:02Speaker 03

  Season one's great.

• 46:03Speaker 05

  Season one is a great season. This was really fun to shoot. Harry and I, who plays Robert, we did, we had like 45 minutes left in a shoot day on episode four, and it was like bonkers. They're like, we have one camera. Everyone's trying to get the fuck out of here. But we need to do this sequence where Harper and Robert do drugs together. And it's a short sequence. They like get high and we improvised the entire thing. They like put on music and we were just like pretending to do whatever. He like put on this coat pretending to be Elton John. We were dancing around. And the camera was just like going crazy and it was so much fun. It was really run and gun and we didn't know if we got anything worth its weight in salt. And it turned out to be like one of the most fun and maybe like sort of quintessential industry sequences in the show.

• 46:47Speaker 05

  Um, I loved, loved shooting that. I also loved shooting the boat stuff with Marisa in season three.

• 46:54Speaker 03

  That was amazing because I feel like I didn't know if Yaz and Harper were friends at that point.

• 47:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:01Speaker 03

  I didn't know. And then to see them together for ultimately what defines Yaz's story for the rest of the show. It was a real moment of like genuine chosen family.

• 47:16Speaker 05

  A hundred percent. I mean, it's so interesting that now sort of people are coming around to Harper having a moral center.

• 47:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:24Speaker 05

  That right there to me was the most pure act of love. She's risking her own safety.

• 47:32Speaker 03

  Right.

• 47:33Speaker 05

  To help her friend cover up like a crime. Um, she really looks at her in the face and says, I see how badly you're hurt. I'll, I will help you.

• 47:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:44Speaker 05

  I will help you. It's so selfless.

• 47:47Speaker 03

  I think that's why Yaz always goes back to her.

• 47:49Speaker 05

  Hundred percent.

• 47:50Speaker 03

  And that's why even when Henry is like, your friend Harper, like she's short, shorting the company. She's doing this. Yaz is like,

• 47:59Speaker 05

  She said, don't talk about my friend like that.

• 48:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. Hey, the guys, that's my friend.

• 48:02Speaker 05

  That's my friend. Be so for real.

• 48:04Speaker 03

  That's my friend. Um, so did you, is it true you met your husband via kind of this show?

• 48:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, totally. The other greatest gift of my life via this show, my man. Um, he is also an industry day one-er.

• 48:19Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 48:19Speaker 05

  He was watching the show in COVID and he sent myself and

• 48:25Speaker 05

  Harry and Mickey and Conrad, a message just saying, hey, I'm watching industry. I'm such a fan. Congratulations on the show. I think it's great. Um, and it was deep COVID and I was living by myself and the show was coming out and there was like no premiere, no interviews, nothing. I was very alone and I was like going through my DMs, obviously like starving for connection. And I saw his and I was like trying to weed out the like gross ones, like people being like, I love the show. Send me a picture of your feet.

• 48:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:58Speaker 05

  And I was like, uh, but his wasn't really respectful. So I just said, thank you.

• 49:02Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 49:03Speaker 05

  And the next day I woke up to a string of video messages from him and I was like, uh, girl. What is this, bro? But I was like, let me go on his profile. I was like, wait a minute. He's kind of cute.

• 49:15Speaker 03

  He's really cute.

• 49:15Speaker 05

  I'll risk it. So I opened the messages and it was him and he was literally filming himself and he was like, hey, my hola, it's Armando. Um, I just wanted to say it was so cool that you responded to my message. I wasn't expecting it. Again, congratulations on the show. Um, I am in a journalism class at university at the moment. I'm just wondering, would you be willing, available, interested in doing like a five, 10 minute interview with me for this project? And I was like, not a student.

• 49:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, like a literal student.

• 49:45Speaker 05

  Student. And I was like, I can't say no to this kid who like has a class project. So I was like, yeah, sure, whatever. We hop on a zoom the next day. We were meant to be on for 10, 15 minutes and we talked for 40 minutes. And I hung up the thing and I was like, I'm in love with a stranger. That's weird. I just was like, whatever, right?

• 50:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:04Speaker 05

  I couldn't stop thinking about him. Like a week later, I messaged him and was like, did you get an A on your project? I'm like a grown person being like, did you get an A a week later? It's crazy. I was like flirting hard. Um, and then we were just like in each other's DMs, talking all day, every day about fucking whatever. It took him three weeks to ask for my phone number. Very respectful.

• 50:24Speaker 03

  Very respectful.

• 50:25Speaker 05

  Um, and then very, you know, a la COVID, we were doing like FaceTime dates and we were just talking all the time. Um, he was in San Francisco at university at the time and I'm from San Jose originally. And so I was gonna go from New York to San Jose to, to see my mom like after the holidays. And I was like, yo, I'mma be like 50 minutes south of you. Do you want to meet in person? And he said yes, so I drove up.

• 50:49Speaker 03

  How nervous were you? Or were you not at all?

• 50:52Speaker 05

  I was really shaking in my boots. I was shaking in my boots and all my friends were like, are you psychotic? This man might chop you into bits and we'll never hear from you again. This is just a random stranger from the internet who like watched you on TV. Are you crazy? And I was like, yes.

• 51:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:07Speaker 05

  I got it bad.

• 51:10Speaker 05

  And I brought a bottle of wine and some glasses. And I remember like parking the car and he lived on a hill. And he was at the bottom, I like turned a corner and he was at the bottom and I saw him and I was like, he's so tall and fine. Thank God he's tall. And I'm like going down the mountain. He turns around and he sees me and I start running. It was so cheesy. I start running and then we hug and we were like, we like took a collective breath. It was so crazy. We literally like,

• 51:40Speaker 05

  and it felt so easy and so comfortable, like I belonged there. And both of us were sort of like, wait, actually this feels really normal.

• 51:49Speaker 03

  It was like love at first sight.

• 51:50Speaker 05

  I mean,

• 51:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:52Speaker 05

  Completely.

• 51:54Speaker 05

  We sat on the roof. We had the wine. I brought hand sanitizer because I hadn't had my COVID test results back and I didn't want to be too risky because I was staying with my mom. So we like hand sanitized and held hands.

• 52:06Speaker 03

  God, TPT to COVID.

• 52:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, literally. She, nothing was gonna stop me, not COVID, none of it. And that was, that was the end of it. He met my mom the next week and we have been inseparable. I mean, it'll be like five and a half years now, married for a year and change.

• 52:22Speaker 03

  Congratulations.

• 52:23Speaker 05

  Thank you so much.

• 52:24Speaker 03

  How was the wedding?

• 52:25Speaker 05

  It was really sweet. It was just the two of us, his sister, his parents and my mom. My best friend from college married us and we had a friend take some pictures. It was really small and,

• 52:36Speaker 03

  That's the way to do it though.

• 52:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was the way for us, certainly. And I think he has a huge family and so our plan is still, I promise you, familia is still the plan. To do a big ceremony in the Coachella Valley, he's from Indio. Do a big ceremony there so everyone can come and celebrate us and maybe do a little something in New York for our friends. But we just, we were eager to be married. And so when time and finances permit, we'll throw some parties.

• 53:05Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 53:05Speaker 05

  So we can celebrate with, with loved ones, but yeah.

• 53:08Speaker 03

  Well, what are you therapist about today?

• 53:11Speaker 05

  I'm therapist that it's been so fucking cold in New York and so nice here. It's crazy. It's like the apocalypse.

• 53:18Speaker 03

  It's, it's, I can't, I can't do it.

• 53:20Speaker 05

  It's so bad. It was so bad.

• 53:22Speaker 03

  You know it's bad when you're like, I thought global warming was gonna make it hot.

• 53:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, no, girl. It's, it's been like the most depressed myself, my friends and family have ever been. Cause it's been so long.

• 53:36Speaker 03

  Is it still cold right now in New York?

• 53:37Speaker 05

  Literally, my mom was like, it was raining the other day. And then it was like 80 degrees, but it keeps, it's like this. Yeah, no, you know, it's too much.

• 53:44Speaker 03

  Is it, are you living in New York now?

• 53:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, I'm in.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  Okay, when are you going back?

• 53:49Speaker 05

  Uh, tomorrow.

• 53:50Speaker 03

  I go back tomorrow. What flight are you on?

• 53:52Speaker 05

  Well, I'm on a late flight.

• 53:53Speaker 03

  I'm on a late flight. Are you Delta?

• 53:55Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 53:56Speaker 03

  Are you on the 915?

• 54:02Speaker 03

  Wait, I'm so excited.

• 54:03Speaker 05

  It's going down on the plane, babe.

• 54:05Speaker 03

  So excited.

• 54:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'll see you in the lounge.

• 54:08Speaker 03

  See you in the lounge. Oh my God, wait, I'm pumped.

• 54:11Speaker 05

  Me too. Yeah, it's gonna be great.

• 54:13Speaker 03

  Oh my God, how fun.

• 54:14Speaker 05

  Do you live there or do you live here all the time?

• 54:16Speaker 03

  I just got a place there. I'm from there.

• 54:18Speaker 05

  Oh, that's right.

• 54:19Speaker 03

  I need a New York summer.

• 54:21Speaker 05

  Okay, well, so will you be there this summer?

• 54:24Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 54:24Speaker 05

  Woo.

• 54:25Speaker 03

  I want to be for the streets this summer. That's like, I was telling somebody the other day, like, what my behavior and they were like, why are you like for the streets? And I was like.

• 54:35Speaker 05

  The streets deserve it.

• 54:36Speaker 03

  I was like, I'm having fun. They were like.

• 54:39Speaker 05

  Put some respect on the streets. Also, mind you, the streets of New York are kind of iconic.

• 54:42Speaker 03

  They are. And like, I'm ready to like be outside drinking wine on rooftops. So.

• 54:47Speaker 05

  Hell, yeah.

• 54:48Speaker 03

  Cause LA can be very isolated. I don't know if you've experienced it, but it can be like, I don't drive, so it's like.

• 54:54Speaker 05

  You don't drive in LA?

• 54:55Speaker 03

  No, I Uber every day or I have my friends drive me.

• 54:58Speaker 05

  Everywhere, Uber, Uber, everywhere. Is it, okay, practical question. Is it like?

• 55:05Speaker 03

  Less expensive?

• 55:06Speaker 05

  cheaper than Uber?

• 55:07Speaker 03

  We've done the costs.

• 55:11Speaker 03

  I don't think so. But like for everyone's safety and mental wellbeing, it's better than I.

• 55:17Speaker 05

  Keeping you off the road.

• 55:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, like I'm so addicted to my phone. I know that.

• 55:22Speaker 05

  Know thyself. That's really good. You're protecting people.

• 55:25Speaker 03

  I am. I am. I know I would be a bad driver. My dad's like, you can't drive. I'm like, okay, like it's his one thing. I won't drive.

• 55:30Speaker 05

  For the streets and for the people.

• 55:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:33Speaker 05

  I live.

• 55:33Speaker 03

  Right?

• 55:35Speaker 05

  I love driving. I miss driving.

• 55:37Speaker 03

  I've never gotten to experience a moment in the car where it's just you. And you're like listening to music and you're like, I know, I've heard it's amazing.

• 55:46Speaker 05

  It's really nice. A moment of alone is hard to come by nowadays as well.

• 55:50Speaker 03

  I know. And like now you could say like, oh, do a Waymo, but they're always watching in the Waymo.

• 55:54Speaker 05

  Hell, no.

• 55:55Speaker 03

  Waymos, I, I just, I can't get behind it. I can't, it really bugs me out so bad.

• 55:59Speaker 05

  That Skarsgård movie where he gets locked in the car? Did you see that?

• 56:02Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 56:02Speaker 05

  Girl.

• 56:03Speaker 03

  So random. I did see that movie.

• 56:05Speaker 05

  It's a crazy film. He's a great actor. Crazy film.

• 56:08Speaker 03

  Oh my God. That is one of those movies where it's like, you've never meet someone that's seen that movie.

• 56:12Speaker 05

  No.

• 56:15Speaker 05

  I watched it on a plane.

• 56:16Speaker 03

  I watched it on a plane too. I watched it on a plane too. And I remember being like, this is weird.

• 56:21Speaker 05

  Fucked up. I'm like waiting for the plane to lock its doors and tell us all to do the Macarena.

• 56:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, like fucking, it's like Saw, but like the AI version.

• 56:29Speaker 05

  No, no, girl. The Waymos is not for me.

• 56:32Speaker 03

  And you were in a movie where all the cars combusted on themselves.

• 56:36Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 56:37Speaker 03

  Leave the world behind, which could actually very well happen.

• 56:41Speaker 05

  Listen, I know everyone is listening, but like she is upon us. The world is Loki leaving us behind, honey.

• 56:47Speaker 03

  Well, that was like, that was one of those apocalypse movies where I was like, oh my God, ah, that could really happen. Have you seen this movie?

• 56:53Speaker 05

  Also like pieces of it is already happening.

• 56:56Speaker 03

  It's terrifying.

• 56:57Speaker 05

  It is. It really is. No Waymos.

• 57:00Speaker 03

  No Waymos.

• 57:02Speaker 03

  All right, do you want to get into the tell me what's wrongs?

• 57:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, please.

• 57:05Speaker 03

  When I get drunk, I trauma dump. It's literally so embarrassing and gives me crazy anxiety the next day I do this too. I did this to Marisa. She was like, I saw her.

• 57:14Speaker 05

  She loved it.

• 57:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, I saw her at the Andy Fair. She's like, do you remember you? I said, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm.

• 57:17Speaker 05

  Oh, my god.

• 57:19Speaker 03

  Um, like, one time, I literally told my crush, who I had only met two times, about my parents divorce. That's fine. And my daddy issues and my trauma, nobody gives a fuck knowing that about me, and I don't want them to know either help. Well, I would disagree with nobody gives a fuck.

• 57:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, that, yeah, no, I agree. Nobody, I care, I care. Also, like, drunk or not, like, good for you for being vulnerable.

• 57:38Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 57:40Speaker 05

  Go ahead. And if somebody thinks you oversharing is weird, I think they're weird.

• 57:43Speaker 03

  And they're not your person.

• 57:44Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 57:45Speaker 03

  To be a friend, to be a lover, anything.

• 57:47Speaker 05

  I agree.

• 57:48Speaker 03

  I love trauma dumping.

• 57:51Speaker 03

  I do, I just, I love, like, being vulnerable and, like, telling people, I have really bad OCD, so, like, if I can show you all sides of me immediately, and you can see it, then we can move forward in whatever relationship we find ourselves. I can't lie, I'm a really bad liar.

• 58:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, me too. Great actor, bad liar.

• 58:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I mean, it's just, I feel so guilty lying. It's like a guilt thing, I like, so, but that, like, manifested in me, like, trauma dumping, oversharing.

• 58:18Speaker 05

  Ah, I see, I see, I see. Yeah, I feel like, know the space you're in, because sometimes it can be kind of dangerous.

• 58:26Speaker 03

  Right.

• 58:26Speaker 05

  You can't be too trusting. But I think if you're like, oh, I talked to my ba, my parents, isn't everyone's parents divorced?

• 58:32Speaker 03

  That's what I'm saying.

• 58:33Speaker 05

  You know what I mean?

• 58:34Speaker 03

  It's not like real trauma, like, I mean, it's real trauma, but like, it's like, sorry.

• 58:41Speaker 05

  Cancelled.

• 58:42Speaker 03

  It's like, you can talk about your parents divorce when you're drunk and not feel anxiety. I've done far worse. I have nights that I don't remember at all.

• 58:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, same.

• 58:51Speaker 03

  At all. Like, I've had, like, yes, you're validated, and it's okay.

• 58:56Speaker 05

  You're gonna be fine, sweetie.

• 58:58Speaker 03

  My partner's mom followed his most recent ex after we've been dating for years. Oh, I would. This at first was just really weird, but not a big deal. Flash forward a couple months, and now she's been regularly going on coffee da, coffee dates, and evening going out, and even going out with his ex. The reason I'm writing in today is because last week she invited her over to our family brunch. How do we deal with this?

• 59:19Speaker 05

  What the hell is wrong with her? Sorry, but like,

• 59:22Speaker 03

  That's evil.

• 59:23Speaker 05

  That is psychotic.

• 59:24Speaker 03

  That's psychotic.

• 59:25Speaker 05

  What is wrong with her?

• 59:26Speaker 03

  She also knows what she's doing.

• 59:27Speaker 05

  Hundred percent.

• 59:28Speaker 03

  She's fucking with you.

• 59:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, that is fucked up.

• 59:31Speaker 03

  And that's on your partner to lay a boundary.

• 59:34Speaker 05

  I gotta say, yeah, there is, I know it's a fine line, cause like, that's your mommy or whatever, but like, protect your girl.

• 59:41Speaker 03

  I would watch, you remember that, uh, what was that show that came out that everyone was obsessed with?

• 59:45Speaker 04

  The Girlfriend?

• 59:46Speaker 03

  The Girlfriend? Was that it?

• 59:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, wasn't it?

• 59:49Speaker 03

  It was the British show.

• 59:51Speaker 05

  Ooh.

• 59:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, did they just say yeah?

• 59:53Speaker 05

  They just said yeah.

• 59:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, I would watch The Girlfriend. It ends in murder, but I would watch The Girlfriend.

• 59:57Speaker 05

  Well, better safe than sorry.

• 1:00:00Speaker 03

  What is it? Monster in Law? Do you remember that movie?

• 1:00:03Speaker 05

  No, but it all sounds scary. In-laws are so tricky, I get it, but also, girl, what is wrong with her?

• 1:00:09Speaker 03

  That's, that, I've had friends in relationships where like, the mom has like, done shit like that, and it's, it is all on your partner. And that is nothing to do with you, it is not on you.

• 1:00:20Speaker 05

  No, no, not at all.

• 1:00:21Speaker 03

  Like, you're marrying a person, I mean, you are marrying the family, but like, that is on them to lay down the boundaries and be like, you're making the person that I'm gonna probably marry, very uncomfortable.

• 1:00:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:00:33Speaker 03

  And also, why are you doing this? If I was her, I'd be like, why are you doing this?

• 1:00:37Speaker 05

  Why are you doing this, girl? Leave me alone. Yeah, I agree. That's crazy.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh my god, I'd freak out. Probably why I'm still single. I think I'm incredibly influenced emotionally by the weather.

• 1:00:48Speaker 05

  Yes, me too.

• 1:00:49Speaker 03

  I am too. It was raining the other day, my whole body hurt, I shut down.

• 1:00:52Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  I smoked alone, I was like, I'm done. I live in Vancouver and I'm genuinely starting to notice my depression might just be from how it's always raining. The thing is, all my family and friends and life are here, so I want, so if I wanted to move, I'd need to start it new. Is this an overreaction? I've heard this is a thing, so.

• 1:01:10Speaker 05

  I don't think that's an overreaction at all. You're just trying to figure out why you're so depressed. Um, seasonally affected disorder is a real thing. The lack of vitamin D in the brain can also, like, trigger serotonin, some shit.

• 1:01:27Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:01:28Speaker 05

  Yes, yes, yes. Literally, everybody, especially us people who live inside a studio, are vitamin D deficient, and it is- Like a big, has a big effect on the mood and how the brain works.

• 1:01:40Speaker 03

  Okay, my dad always tries to get me to take vitamin D every morning and I never.

• 1:01:43Speaker 05

  If you're sad, take it.

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  I never listen to him. I feel like I should.

• 1:01:46Speaker 05

  No, no, dude, take it, take it. Vitamin D with vitamin K three, I think is the way like they need, you need both. Your body needs both.

• 1:01:53Speaker 03

  Vitamin D and vitamin K three.

• 1:01:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what I'm not a doctor, but like that's the one that I take to make it absorbable. And I take like 10,000 units a day.

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:04Speaker 05

  Which is a shit ton, but um, I would say look into some of those like seasonally affected disorder like things. Maybe start with vitamin D. My mom also got me on a um, light therapy, which is uh, like a, it could be an LED light, but it's like certain UV whatevers that you turn it on first thing in the morning where you, you know, when they say like, go outside and touch grass and like, look at the sun.

• 1:02:27Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:02:27Speaker 05

  But what the light does in your eyes to your like circadian rhythms is like a real thing. Um, so like that light therapy, like 20 minutes first thing in the morning can really help set the tone in your mood for the day. I would also say exercise.

• 1:02:43Speaker 03

  Exercise, that's what I was about to say, moving your body, like when I'm like in the, like when I'm really going through seasonal depression, which I go through every year, specifically the time between New Year's and Christmas.

• 1:02:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:55Speaker 03

  That is the worst time of the year.

• 1:02:57Speaker 05

  Tragic.

• 1:02:57Speaker 03

  It's a really tragic, horrible time.

• 1:02:59Speaker 05

  Where is everyone?

• 1:03:00Speaker 03

  I'm home with my family. I'm like, I'm miserable.

• 1:03:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's rough.

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  It's rough and you need to move your body. When I started working out for my mental health as opposed to just my physique, my physique changed.

• 1:03:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:03:14Speaker 03

  And then my whole thing changed. It was like I was working out for years with no change. And then the second I was like, well, I have to go work out or else I'm going to feel like shit for the rest of the day.

• 1:03:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:03:22Speaker 03

  Like, that's when everything changes and you like, your, you life a little like lighter and everything's a little better and it's like.

• 1:03:30Speaker 05

  It's true. It's really true. You just gotta get those endorphins going, pushing them in your brain. Also like sweating is, is one of the big ways that your body like flushes toxins. It gets the lymph system going. There's so many reasons to exercise.

• 1:03:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:44Speaker 05

  Um, that is one of those. And then if none of that works.

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  Move.

• 1:03:48Speaker 05

  Move.

• 1:03:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. Move and it's okay to move. I've had friends that like have moved to the middle of nowhere, knowing no one and have come out like better people for it.

• 1:04:01Speaker 05

  Totally.

• 1:04:02Speaker 03

  It's just like, didn't you move here not knowing anyone?

• 1:04:05Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm. Where are you from?

• 1:04:06Speaker 04

  Atlanta.

• 1:04:07Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:04:08Speaker 04

  Originally. I like had some friends, but not really.

• 1:04:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:12Speaker 04

  But yeah, it was awesome. And I also will say, I was really affected by the seasons.

• 1:04:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:19Speaker 04

  For all of college, all of my childhood, and then moving here, like I feel lighter.

• 1:04:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, totally. This, the sun is a really big deal.

• 1:04:28Speaker 03

  The sun, and you know where the sun hits the hardest? New York.

• 1:04:32Speaker 05

  Oh, well, you know what that is? It's because we collectively as a people suffer for months.

• 1:04:37Speaker 03

  Months.

• 1:04:38Speaker 05

  For months.

• 1:04:39Speaker 03

  And then the second it's like sixty degrees, shorts, we would all go to the park in high school.

• 1:04:43Speaker 05

  Everyone's outside like, I love everything.

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:04:45Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  It's a collective like sigh.

• 1:04:47Speaker 05

  It's a, the vibes in spring in New York are fucking immaculate.

• 1:04:51Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm so ready to fly back tomorrow. I'm like, get me on the plane.

• 1:04:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, right, we're ready.

• 1:04:54Speaker 03

  I'm ready. I'm about to like go like lay out and like just vibe. But yes, don't be afraid to move and move your body. Move in all aspects.

• 1:05:03Speaker 05

  Follow your intuition as well. If you're like, I'm really feeling like this move might be good, just, you know, follow that.

• 1:05:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:09Speaker 05

  Follow that.

• 1:05:10Speaker 03

  Cause you, you really only live once.

• 1:05:13Speaker 05

  It's true.

• 1:05:13Speaker 03

  You really do whenever I'm like, should I do this, should I not? I'm like, well, what the fuck?

• 1:05:17Speaker 05

  What else am I gonna do?

• 1:05:17Speaker 03

  What else am I gonna do?

• 1:05:18Speaker 05

  Nothing?

• 1:05:19Speaker 03

  No, exactly.

• 1:05:19Speaker 05

  Crazy.

• 1:05:21Speaker 03

  I'm slowly watching my partner turn into a conspiracy theorist. I've always loved his passion for current events and even politics, but recently, he's just been so weighed down by it, but still insists on watching and consuming every story, opinion, etc. Not only is this just unattractive, it makes me sad for his day-to-day wellbeing. How do I help him without hurting him?

• 1:05:40Speaker 05

  Oh, shit.

• 1:05:47Speaker 03

  I don't know because like I don't know what makes a conspiracy theorist anymore.

• 1:05:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, actually, very good point.

• 1:05:56Speaker 03

  Do you know what I mean? Like there's so much, that's what I'm reading that I was like, am I like, there's so much information pumped out constantly.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  That like, maybe you guys are just going down two different paths.

• 1:06:10Speaker 05

  It's very possible. I always say in times of conflict like this with a partner like. And you want to bring something up to them, which is like actually just their problem. I always say like, try to reframe, always, always talk, like, keep talking, but try to reframe it. About you, like saying, I'm feeling

• 1:06:28Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:06:29Speaker 05

  far away from you. I feel like we maybe spend a little less time talking about our mutual interests. I just want to feel close to you. Could we maybe spend a little more time doing this as opposed to this?

• 1:06:40Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:06:41Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? Um, or like, I would really like to try having like a no phone hour, like maybe where we can just reconnect or make it about sex. I don't know. You know what I mean?

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  Just watch a movie together.

• 1:06:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, like

• 1:06:54Speaker 03

  Cook together.

• 1:06:54Speaker 05

  Not about like, not a movie about like nine 11, like, you know what I mean? Like something else.

• 1:07:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:02Speaker 05

  Try that first, maybe.

• 1:07:04Speaker 03

  And like, maybe, maybe look at yourself and like, being like, am I? Being judgmental.

• 1:07:13Speaker 05

  Totally.

• 1:07:13Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? Like, I could total, like, cause like. You don't know, everyone's like, it, it's such, that is so tricky.

• 1:07:21Speaker 05

  It's very hard. Maybe you should get into it. Maybe you should also become a conspiracy theorist.

• 1:07:25Speaker 03

  And see what the vibe is.

• 1:07:26Speaker 05

  I feel like that sex would be incredible.

• 1:07:28Speaker 03

  I've been with my boyfriend for around a year and the fact that he's kind of broke is really getting to me. For context, before we started dating, he would get me flowers weekly and all these random gifts. And I get it, he's got a part-time job and is studying, but like, he spends more money on bedding than on me nowadays. What do I do and how do I not sound like an entitled ass?

• 1:07:45Speaker 05

  Wait. Pause. The bedding is also for you, no?

• 1:07:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, and you need to watch industry season three, the episode, the Christmas episode where. Rishi literally blows up his life.

• 1:08:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's so funny. Wait, okay, actually, I want to talk about this because this is really interesting, like.

• 1:08:08Speaker 05

  There's totally like you get to have your like non-negotiables. Obviously, everyone gets to maintain, uh, set and maintain their own boundaries. And like, life is so hard right now.

• 1:08:26Speaker 05

  Like, people are broke. Jobs suck. Gas is a million dollars.

• 1:08:33Speaker 03

  It is. I don't even drive it. I know that.

• 1:08:35Speaker 05

  Okay, exactly.

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:36Speaker 05

  I don't even drive currently and I know that. But I would just say like, especially like post-COVID, things have been so crazy, like with the, all the things, like, maybe just try to have a little more compassion for like why someone might be broke. Unless you think they're like, not trying.

• 1:08:57Speaker 03

  I think her issue is that they're spending money in other facets. But I think the compassion still applies because he, he's betting, but like clearly to like.

• 1:09:07Speaker 05

  Wait, wait, wait, wait. Betting? Oh, my God. I thought you meant like linens as in bed linens.

• 1:09:13Speaker 03

  Watch industry. That's why I was like. No, that he's betting his money.

• 1:09:18Speaker 05

  Oh, hell no. Gambling? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Scratch everything I said.

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  With your switch up on that.

• 1:09:27Speaker 05

  Compassion about betting?

• 1:09:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:30Speaker 05

  Give me a break. No, no, that would drive me through a fucking wall.

• 1:09:32Speaker 03

  That ended in industry.

• 1:09:33Speaker 05

  Exactly. Watch that episode because your life's going to shit.

• 1:09:37Speaker 03

  One of the great Christmas episodes of industry.

• 1:09:39Speaker 05

  So crazy that it's a Christmas episode.

• 1:09:41Speaker 03

  I'm telling you, it's always the fucking Christmas episode. It's always the Christmas.

• 1:09:45Speaker 05

  I wonder what they'll do for this Christmas episode.

• 1:09:47Speaker 03

  That's what I was wondering because this Christmas wasn't, what was this? Was this Christmas the Kit Harrington episode when it was? Yeah, that was. Yeah.

• 1:09:56Speaker 05

  In, in Muck Manor, they had the big tree and all the stuff. Yeah.

• 1:10:00Speaker 03

  And Yaz kicks out her aunt.

• 1:10:01Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm. Iconic.

• 1:10:03Speaker 03

  Hey Jake and lovely guest. Basically, my dad gave me his old iPad, but still has his, but still had his WhatsApp connected to it. And I saw him texting a mistress of some sort. My heart dropped because I thought my parents were healthy and good. I snooped a little more to find out this girl was his sugar baby of sorts. And he was signed up to all these sugar daddy sites. Is it my place to ask him about it or should I go straight to my mom? Help? This is so weird.

• 1:10:25Speaker 05

  Oh, I think that really depends on what your relationship is with both of the parents.

• 1:10:32Speaker 03

  If I, you mean, you're already handling it better than I would because like you're writing in and you're like trying to find a good way to like.

• 1:10:39Speaker 05

  Getting advice.

• 1:10:40Speaker 03

  Who, I don't know what I would do. I would go to my sibling if I had a sibling and be like, what the fuck am I supposed to do with this? And if you don't have a sibling, I would go to my mom.

• 1:10:50Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:10:51Speaker 03

  I would go to my mom. I would just say, this is what's happening. Deal. I can't. Yeah.

• 1:10:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's probably the way, isn't it?

• 1:10:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:59Speaker 05

  I didn't have two parents to do this sort of thing with, so.

• 1:11:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, that would be, I think, my thing would be, I would go to my mom.

• 1:11:06Speaker 05

  Ooh, you know what I might do, à la Harper? I might go to my dad and be like, if you don't deal with this, I will.

• 1:11:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's also a good.

• 1:11:13Speaker 05

  And threaten him.

• 1:11:14Speaker 03

  Yeah. My thing is I would feel so guilty that if my mom knew I knew and like.

• 1:11:19Speaker 05

  Oh, right.

• 1:11:20Speaker 03

  It would, it's so.

• 1:11:21Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. I guess it depends on the personality of the parents as well.

• 1:11:26Speaker 05

  Good luck.

• 1:11:27Speaker 03

  Good luck. Well, what did we learn today?

• 1:11:30Speaker 05

  What did we learn today?

• 1:11:31Speaker 03

  I learned about the bodies and the mind, like how they connect.

• 1:11:35Speaker 05

  We learned about vitamin D and K3.

• 1:11:37Speaker 03

  Believing in yourself.

• 1:11:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:11:38Speaker 03

  And like surviving your Saturn return.

• 1:11:41Speaker 05

  Hell, yeah. I learned, and I mean, I sort of like gleaned this of you anyway, but like you're such a kiki. Like you're such a kiki. You're such a kiki. You're so much fun. You clearly love to have fun and you love people. Like you have a show where you get to talk to people about people. You also clearly love to help people if you have people writing in.

• 1:12:01Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:12:02Speaker 05

  You want to talk about advice. So I learned today that like you're really for the streets.

• 1:12:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:09Speaker 03

  I am really for the streets.

• 1:12:10Speaker 05

  You are a community person.

• 1:12:12Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:12:13Speaker 05

  I feel very like loved and appreciated by you.

• 1:12:16Speaker 03

  You are. I'm so glad you feel that way because you are so loved and appreciated in this house.

• 1:12:20Speaker 05

  Thank you very much. Um, yeah, I'm really grateful that we got to do this.

• 1:12:24Speaker 03

  Me too. Well, thanks for coming on the show.

• 1:12:26Speaker 05

  Bye pussies.

• 1:12:42Speaker 00

  Ugh, I hate Mondays.

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

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