Session 108: Nick Jonas

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  Somebody asked me how I define myself. And I didn't know what to say. Because how can someone be defined? When we're always evolving? I've been so many things. I'll be so many others.

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  Because identity is not a performance. It's an exploration. Never the same. But always myself. That's the paradox. Paradox intense. And the new sweet chemistry by Prada.

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  Hi pussies, welcome back to Therapuzz. Tonight for our intro, we have Cassidy.

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  Do we talk about our dark days?

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  I am enjoying myself here.

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  You just said you had to get back to LA.

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  Okay, well, I'm enjoying myself here.

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  Well, I'm enjoying having you here.

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  Do you want to go home?

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  When Jake, when Jake leaves me, it becomes really dark. Like very dark.

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  You leave the apartment?

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  No, the day after Jake leaves, my whole day is spent in the apartment. It's a really dark place.

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  What do you do in the apartment when you're alone?

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  I rot. I like to rot and marinate in my bed.

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  What do you think about?

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  I don't really have like thoughts anymore because my overthinking kind of stopped after I started taking Lexapro.

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  You think that's helped you?

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  I think it's helped me a lot. I actually do.

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  Oh wow, good for you, Cass.

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  My overthinking is like really dark. It's a really scary place.

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  Like, give me an example.

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  What do you mean? Like, I can't explain it. I have no thoughts in my head anymore. I already don't have thoughts in my head. But like, you know what I mean?

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  What have you talked to your psychiatrist about how much you want to...

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  No, so I had a few meetings. I was supposed to meet with him like last month and I ghosted him. I'm also ghosting my therapist still right now, but we're gonna, we're gonna get back into it soon.

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  How is your therapist?

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  She's good.

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  When's the last time you saw her?

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  Saw her two weeks ago.

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  What'd you guys talk about?

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  Trauma. I had a few dark months. I didn't recognize myself in that era.

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  A few different hair colors.

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  Jake just admitted to me that when I dyed my hair brunette, it was really bad.

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  But in the moment, I didn't think so.

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  You told me it was what? Thank you! The brunette era was a moment. Give me that.

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  Yeah.

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  Yeah, but like now you're saying you hated it.

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  Well, okay. It was blonde and then it was pink.

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  I'm going by pink in two weeks.

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  I liked the pink.

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  The pink is everything. What else?

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  So this is on Netflix.

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  Oh my god, okay, so we need to, we need to talk about more um, normal things.

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  Okay, what's something that you did this weekend that brought you joy?

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  I stayed in last night. That actually brought me a lot of joy. I think I needed that. You excited for your show today?

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  Mm-hmm.

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  Mm-hmm. So Jake banned me from seeing his Broadway shows. I don't know why. But I think it's because the last two times I was there, I was front row. And every single time he would look at me, I would actually just lose my shit. And he was holding in his laughter on stage so hard that I felt so bad because he almost broke. I almost, I almost made you laugh fifteen times last time I was there.

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  And you use that for.

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  And the time before I went with Alice and it was probably Jake's worst nightmare.

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  What do you think, what do you think about when you're alone?

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  When I'm alone, it can get, it can get dark. Like, what do you mean? Like my thoughts, I'm just thinking about, like what you would think about day to day. What do you think about when you're alone?

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  I think about losing everybody in my life.

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  Yeah, that's like definitely what you think about, which I don't understand, but really scary.

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  Uh-huh, I think about how I'm gonna end up alone.

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  So when you're thinking about that, you're manifesting it. So you need to start thinking more positively in your head.

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  Like how?

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  Like you need to stop saying you're gonna end up alone, because when you say it, this is what I was taught, when you say it.

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  Who taught you that?

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  My therapist.

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  Okay.

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  When you say it, like you're putting that out there, because you know I do the same thing. But like if you change it and you're like, I'm gonna find this amazing person within the year, then that's what's gonna happen. You're manifesting it.

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  What is something that you've manifested recently that's worked?

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  Styling, and now I've been.

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  Oh my god, why don't we take this time?

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  Yes.

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  Why don't we take this time Cassidy, who has some of the best style.

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  Thank you.

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  That I know.

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  Thank you. That's actually really sweet.

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  It's true.

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  Thank you.

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  Is venturing into the styling industry.

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  I've always wanted to style.

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  You've always wanted to. So if you, if any of you need to be styled for a shoot, for life.

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  Yeah.

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  Cassidy, Michaela Brown, has, that's your middle name?

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  Yeah.

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  Has got you, okay?

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  Let you remember.

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  You just messaged her Cassidy M. Brown on Instagram.

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  Got you, except you haven't let me style you yet.

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  Well, I have a stylist. Her name is Sydney Lopez and I love her dearly.

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  Yeah.

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  Yes. Who's your favorite stylist in the world?

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  Andrew something. I don't remember his last name, but he is popping off. He styles Margot Robbie right now. Have you seen her recent fit?

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  Yeah, she's always, she's always looking amazing.

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  She, she's always looking amazing, but holy shit, she's looking insane because of her stylist.

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  Well, tonight on Therapist, we have Nick Jonas, who is a dear friend. Were you a Jonas Brothers fan?

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  I was a Jonas Brothers fan.

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  Yeah.

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  He was my favorite, actually. Loved Joe, loved Kevin, but Nick was my boy.

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  Okay, well, Nick is on Therapist today. He was actually the first person to ever interact with any of my stuff. He's the only reason that I have a career.

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  Wow.

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  I would say. And he is so lovely, so kind. His new album, Sunday Best, is out now. It is incredible. Please listen to it if you haven't. It is really just truly amazing. He is so amazing. There is also only one more week of All Out on Broadway. It ends Sunday, March eighth. Please get your tickets online. It is me, Ray Romano, Nicholas Braun, Jenny Slate, written by Simon Rich, directed by Alex Timbers, at the Nederlander Theater. I am having the best time ever.

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  You're killing it.

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  Thank you. I love you. Thank you. You've been so supportive. Thank you so much.

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  Three shows. I've been to three shows.

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  Yes, you have.

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  Yeah. Jake and I have a special bond. It really doesn't get better.

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  I used to wake up in her bed in college.

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  Every, every night of college that we would go out, I would wake up next to Jake in his pink heels. Sorry, I had to bring them up. You know I did.

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  Mm-hmm. I would wear pink heels. Cassidy tried Kottas for the first time the other day.

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  They, I'm not a candy girl. Like, it kind of gives me a headache. This candy, I went through three bags.

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  Yep, they're gone.

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  It was so good.

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  What was your favorite? The sours, the foamies?

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  The foamies. Insane. Like insane. Melted in my mouth.

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  Have you had a good time?

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  I've had a really good time. I hope I touched on all the topics we needed to touch on.

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  Oh, I'm gonna miss you when you're in Paris.

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  I'm gonna miss you. No, it's actually really sad.

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  When are you back?

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  I get back on Sunday.

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  I leave Monday, my love.

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  Okay, so I'm gonna come here on Sunday night, sleep over.

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  Do you wanna come to my birthday night?

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  Yeah, of course.

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  Pussies, I love you. Enjoy tonight's episode. Come see All Out on Broadway. Stream Nick Jonas's new album, Sunday Best, out now. Cassidy, thank you so much for joining me for this intro. I love you so much. Enjoy the episode. I love you, pussies.

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  Hi, pussies. Welcome back to Therapists. Today we have on... Would you consider us friends?

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  I would, yeah.

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  I would also.

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  Would you?

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  I would, yeah.

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  Glad to hear that.

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  A dear friend.

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  A dear friend.

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  Whose album is out now, Sunday Best. It's incredible.

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  Thank you.

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  Nick Jonas.

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  Happy to be here.

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  Happy to have you here.

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  This is long overdue.

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  Very, very much so. Well, you know, like, you were the first person to ever interact with any of my stuff, with the Coke, Diet Coke.

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  Yeah, it's kind of crazy. What has happened in the last, whatever it's been, four or five years?

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  Three.

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  Three. Very happy for you.

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  Thank you, thank you.

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  It's always fun to see genuinely nice people do well and succeed.

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  Nicholas! Is that your full name?

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  Because I've seen some not-so-nice people succeed, and that sucks.

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  Ooh. Oh, well, speaking of succeeding, you weren't how to succeed in business without really trying, right? I am starting on Broadway next week.

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  I heard.

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  Yes.

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  Congrats. All, what, All Out?

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  Yeah, All Out.

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  Amazing.

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  I'm so excited. Are you based in New York?

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  We were this, this whole last year. We basically got to New York in February last year. I did the Broadway show last five years. And then we ended up staying and just kind of lived out of New York because the tour with the Brothers was in and around that area quite a bit, so it made more sense. But we just literally on Friday moved back into our home here.

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  Are you happy to be back?

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  I am. Yeah, it's, you know, LA is, it's nice. We've got our friends here. I don't, I don't love the traffic. I forgot how annoying that is.

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  But what I will say is I know you can take the subway in New York, but the traffic in New York is arguably just as bad.

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  I just walk everywhere. So it probably takes me longer, but it's more enjoyable to get outside, take a nice long walk, even if it's freezing cold, I'll walk.

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  Right. I love, do you sleep hot or cold?

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  Oh, cold, freezing cold.

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  What is your temperature at?

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  Um, if I can, if I can get away with it, meaning my wife

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  Yes, yes.

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  Likes to be warm when she sleeps. Um, so she tries to set it like seventy-one or seventy-two. It's a nightmare, nightmare material.

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  What, I sleep at sixty-two.

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  Sixty-two is very cold.

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  Yes, with a fan next to me.

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  That's ama- how, how does the thermostat, thermostat even get that low?

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  Well, it breaks all the time.

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  I need that in my life.

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  Well, you know what you need in Eight Sleep.

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  And I've heard about this.

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  No.

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  Do you have one?

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  Yes, and you can split up the sides. You can split up the sides so your wife can be sleep hot, like it can be hot on her side and cold on yours.

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  I need to get this.

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  Speaking of, have you ever seen Quantico?

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  Uh, I have. I've seen two episodes and I've seen a lot of clips. Um, have you seen it?

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  Uh, in full.

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  Oh, wow.

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  Yes, it's the best show of all time, so is she.

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  It's a great, it's a great show.

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  Would you ever consider watching the full show?

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  Yeah, I would love to.

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  It's

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  We should, we should set a date and we'll, we'll do it together. We'll watch the whole show together.

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  With her?

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  With her. And she can give us like, you know, inside baseball, behind the scenes.

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  It is the best show of all time.

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  Lore and stuff.

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  I love like political thrillers, like

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  Me too.

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  Quantico, Designated Survivor.

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  I loved Designated Survivor. That was a good one.

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  What else? What are you watching right now?

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  Um, I'm watching The Pit, which is quite good. Have you seen it?

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  No, but I've seen someone that looks a lot quite like me if I had lost thirty pounds.

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  Oh, that's right. This, this, I have seen that, actually. Cause now my algorithm's all basically The Pit.

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  It's not even the algorithm, it's just

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  It's just

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  As clear as day.

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  It does, it does, he kinda looks like you.

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  Yeah.

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  Um, but you should give the show a watch. You're in it, basically.

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  I, I know, I really should. Did you wa- well, so The Pit takes over, like, it takes over the span of like twelve hours, right?

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  Correct.

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  So were you like a twenty-four watcher?

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  Back in the day, um, I was like a, I would say sort of a mid-fan. Like I, I wasn't on it every week, but I, I did watch from time to time.

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  Okay.

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  It's nice, cause like each episode you could watch as an individual journey and adventure and it was, it was, you didn't need to like know the

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  Really?

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  Bigger arc of the show, I think.

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  Twenty-four?

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  Am I remembering this correctly?

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  Yeah. Yeah. But don't, don't you need to know what happened in the previous hour?

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  I don't think so. I think it can kind of just be its own You know, 24 hour experience.

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  Totally.

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  Yeah.

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  Well, you know, something else I wanted to talk about was, we share a stylist.

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  We do.

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  Sydney.

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  She's the best. I saw her post about you and that she was dressing you and I was like, I'm really happy to see that. She's a great person and she does a good job styling people she styles.

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  She's incredible. We are low key so interconnected.

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  It's crazy.

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  Like-

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  What are some more connection points?

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  Berman.

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  Berman, yeah, exactly.

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  Berman, Sydney.

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  We're basically, we're, we kind of have the same team almost.

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  I'm the fifth.

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  You're the, you're the fifth, Jonas.

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  I'm the fifth.

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  Have you had Franklin on the show?

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  No, I need to.

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  How many episodes do you do weekly?

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  Um, during like, once we start out, it's once, once a week.

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  Yep.

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  Well, right now I'm about to, well, maybe I'll film some in New York, but right, usually it's once a week. One time I did seven in a week.

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  Seven in a week?

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  And I know to you, it's like, cause like you're doing like shows and Broadway and like the whole to do and like, it's a lot. It's a lot of talking.

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  Yeah.

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  It's a lot.

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  I see, I find that I get more tired vocally from talking over singing.

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  Okay, wait, what?

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  And I have like a softer speaking voice, kind of talk quiet. And that's literally because I get like, if I overextend talking, I can't sing. But I can sing all the time, be fine.

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  How, what's your, when's your birthday?

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  September.

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  Virgo?

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  Virgo.

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  Do you love-

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  How'd you know?

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  Do you love like control and stuff?

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  Um, yeah, yeah. I'm, I'm, you're very typical Virgo is what I've been told.

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  What to say? What to say? I'm, you know what I need?

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  What do you need?

• 12:54Speaker 01

  Grab me a Celsius, please. Thank you so much.

• 12:57Speaker 03

  Love a Celsius.

• 12:58Speaker 01

  You love Celsius?

• 12:59Speaker 03

  I mean, I used to drink it a lot more and then I realized that it was making me feel a little anxious sometimes, so I kind of chilled on it.

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  Oh, speaking of anxiety.

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  Side effect, yeah.

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  You struggle with anxiety?

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  I-

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  No?

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  Yeah, two, I mean, sometimes.

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  Okay.

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  Like, not like a-

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  I just read something, you were quite open about you had a moment of anxiety on a red carpet?

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  Yeah. Well, I was just hot, actually, so you'll understand this. I was on the Golden Globes red carpet with Priyanka. It was like this tinted kind of red carpet thing and the heat was blasting for some reason. And it was a hot day outside. And I was in a, you know, a tuxedo with a bow tie and the whole thing.

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  Yeah, well, you looked fabulous.

• 13:36Speaker 03

  Thank you. And I was just really hot and uncomfortable and sweating. And it's a stressful environment to be sweating because you're being photographed and there's cameras in your face and trying to like act normal in interviews and like literally burning up. And I didn't mean to do that. I wasn't on purpose to reference my song.

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  It was perfect.

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  It was a genuine accident. And then I went and just got some fresh air and I felt better.

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  Oh, amazing.

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  And I had some water.

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  And some water. You know what? I have been drinking so much water lately. And everyone, by the way, I'm not even kidding, everyone's been like, wait, your face looks so much slimmer. Your face looks so much slimmer. Water.

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  Water's key.

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  Water is key.

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  It makes you feel great. It tastes like nothing. It's perfect.

• 14:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I used to put in like-

• 14:20Speaker 03

  Did you put the water stuff?

• 14:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, the little liquid IVs in, but apparently you are not supposed to have those unless you're like running a marathon. Have you ever run a marathon?

• 14:28Speaker 03

  I have run a 5K.

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  I ran a 5K the other week.

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  I found it to be very challenging.

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  So I took a break in the middle and smoked a cigarette right after.

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  Yeah, I

• 14:39Speaker 03

  I did it once. Joe actually hosted a run, a 5K run for a charity that he was working with. And it was in Texas somewhere, so it was, again, really hot. And I got about halfway through and was like, I don't think I can do this. I'm not a runner.

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  You know your body.

• 14:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I like to stay fit and work out, but I hate running.

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  Yeah, running's the worst, but you know what's great? Walking.

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  Walking is great.

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  Walking is almost equally as great as running.

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  Kind of, yeah, better on your knees, I think.

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  Well, you know, speaking of Joe, you're sitting on a present he got me.

• 15:11Speaker 03

  His couch?

• 15:12Speaker 01

  No, I wish.

• 15:13Speaker 03

  I was like, that's a really nice gift. This?

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  Yes, Patrick.

• 15:16Speaker 03

  Oh, that's very nice.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  Yes, Joe got me that one.

• 15:18Speaker 03

  Can I ask you what the octopus thing is?

• 15:22Speaker 01

  I'm so glad you asked.

• 15:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm dying to know.

• 15:23Speaker 01

  So I started by, like, I started my account by reviewing octopus dishes.

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  Oh.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  So I'd be like, pass that puss, like, and I'd review it out of eight, tenta- eight, because of eight tentacles.

• 15:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  High pussies, therapist, that's where the, it just kind of spiraled.

• 15:40Speaker 03

  What's the best octopus you've ever eaten?

• 15:44Speaker 01

  Great question. I think Angelina in The Palisades. I don't know if it's open right now because of the fires, but it was amazing.

• 15:52Speaker 03

  You're from LA originally?

• 15:54Speaker 01

  From New York.

• 15:55Speaker 03

  From New York originally?

• 15:56Speaker 01

  Born in LA, raised in New York, so we're tri-state, you and me.

• 15:59Speaker 03

  New York City? Or like, okay, wow.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:02Speaker 03

  When did you come back to LA?

• 16:04Speaker 01

  For college, for USC. I went to USC. Do you ever wish you went to college?

• 16:08Speaker 03

  I do sometimes, yeah. I really loved to play baseball, and I had this dream that I could like walk on the baseball team. It wouldn't have happened. I don't have the height for it, but I uh...

• 16:17Speaker 01

  You need height? Oh, you do need height.

• 16:18Speaker 03

  You kinda need height. Not every, you know, there's some anomalies that, that figured out. But, anyway, I went to visit the Northwestern University campus in Chicago when I was like 16. And, you know, it wasn't the cards. Other things were happening. We were very busy at the time.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  What was happening for you at 16?

• 16:35Speaker 03

  We were on the Burning Up Tour, um, which was, I think in 08? And, life was crazy. It was like a insane chapter of our journey.

• 16:46Speaker 01

  Did you clock, like, oh, this is crazy? Or were you like, okay, well, this is just my job?

• 16:51Speaker 03

  Uh, I think we clocked it. I mean, once, once things sort of really took off, I would, I would say, we were on tour with Avril Lavigne in Europe in the early part of 2008. And, you know, our, our record really started to bubble and things were happening. On that tour in particular, we hadn't ever toured Europe, so like the Avril fans would like boo us sometimes.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  Shut up!

• 17:15Speaker 03

  They didn't really like us. Um, which is, by the end of the show, we'd win them over. That was the whole idea. But when we first came out, they'd be like, why, who are these kids on stage? Anyway, so we had a couple like rough shows, and we were like, does anyone care about us? And then we came back to the US and things were like nuts. And it was that, at that point in the journey where I was like, I think, I think this is gonna be a thing.

• 17:35Speaker 01

  Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but would you consider the takeoff point of everything when the year 3000 music video premiered on Disney Channel?

• 17:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think so. Cause we'd, we'd already released a record that really didn't do well.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  Right, okay.

• 17:51Speaker 03

  And it, we got dropped from our first record label, and then Hollywood Records, which is owned by Disney, Disney Music Group, said like, we know what to do with this. We know how to market this. And so they, you know, they started playing the video on Disney Channel, and then it just went nuts from there.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 18:06Speaker 03

  They turned on, as I say, the Disney faucet.

• 18:08Speaker 01

  The Disney faucet. What was it like being on the Disney faucet?

• 18:12Speaker 03

  Parts of the, the journey that, of course, when you look back at, you know, different stages of your life, when you're like in your early twenties and trying to be cool, that you can be like, oh, that was cringy, or whatever. Um, but then, you know, at this stage in my life, and now in my thirties, like I, I look at those things that we were able to be a part of with Disney, and, and I, I have like so much pride. And, uh, I'm really grateful that we got to make movies with them and, and, you know, do the TV shows and all, and all that. And we were part of a pretty crazy.

• 18:41Speaker 01

  Pivotal.

• 18:42Speaker 03

  You know.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  Disney moment.

• 18:43Speaker 03

  Graduating class of, you know.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  Well, speaking of, I wanted to ask you specifically, the Disney Channel games.

• 18:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:50Speaker 01

  What, what, what, what team were you on again? You yellow?

• 18:53Speaker 03

  I was in the red team.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  Red?

• 18:54Speaker 03

  The infernos.

• 18:55Speaker 01

  Okay, the infernos.

• 18:56Speaker 03

  How'd you not remember that?

• 18:58Speaker 01

  You know what?

• 19:00Speaker 03

  You weren't a Disney Channel fan.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  Not quite good at this job. Um, did you, was that like summer camp for you, or was that like?

• 19:06Speaker 03

  It was.

• 19:07Speaker 01

  Oh, stop it. Tell me everything.

• 19:09Speaker 03

  Well, I, I spoke about this on, um, a late night show one time, and I think it was like, some people started to take it way too seriously, like too literally. I said like, oh, it's like, you know, Love Island on crack.

• 19:21Speaker 03

  And other people responded that, that were there, and were like, it wasn't anything like that. It's, it's weird. You know, I'm like, guys, it's not that serious. Like, it's all good.

• 19:27Speaker 01

  Would you like all like go to each other's rooms after?

• 19:29Speaker 03

  No, it, it wasn't, um, to be clear, it wasn't like Love Island. It, it was, that was just a, a fun way to say that it was like high school or summer camp.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 19:38Speaker 03

  We're all, you know, we're all teenagers. Like, it was just a wild time, but there was no inappropriate things happening. Cause we also had our parents there and chaperones, and it was a whole, you know, situation. But I will say this, it was very fun. Um, I really enjoyed, we did it one year, and then we performed at it one year, so we got to be a part of it. I enjoyed being around other kids my age who, who had similar interests and, um, who liked to entertain and, and sing and, you know, it was, it was a, because I was homeschooled and I was with my brothers all the time, we were touring, these sort of environments where we could tap into like a sort of high school culture.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  I think was really key to our like ability to stay somewhat normal.

• 20:16Speaker 01

  Was there anything that happened during the games that you're like, oh, this feels like high school? Like, was there like a class clown? Was there like? Like, we're all going to class, right? Like, you know what I mean?

• 20:26Speaker 03

  There's these videos from, like, the, the opening night party, um, where, you know, we're all, like, on the dance floor, and there was this, actually, this video of me, like, dancing, which is not something I often did. I was kind of very self-conscious about dancing, and wanted to be taken seriously as a musician, so we never danced, right? And so I didn't really have any confidence there. Um, but I'm so carefree and really having fun in the video, and, and I watched it back now, as, you know, as a, as an adult, and I was like, wow, that, that kid was fearless. Like, he, he was so, uh, able to just be in the moment and be silly and all these things that I, I, I feel like I lost along the way at some point. And it was kind of great to see it, and I think it's a direct result of that environment

• 21:10Speaker 03

  for, for me, and I, I really believe other people that were there, uh, was really fun. And it was a, you know, a, a nice thing to get to, to be together and do these things. It was, it was really fun.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  Do you remember, do you think, well, because obviously you guys were followed by the press and such, but do you think that had an impact on, like, being more reserved? Or do you think social media played an even bigger role in that? Like, which do you think kind of affected you more?

• 21:36Speaker 03

  Well, I think, you know, we, we already had a version of it, because we grew up in the church, our dad was a pastor. And, um, there was sort of a, a microscope on us, because we were like the first family of the church, so we had to behave a certain way, and, you know, pastors' kids historically, like, either end up, like, really fucked up, or, like, super buttoned up. It's like one or the other.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  Or the Jonas Brothers.

• 22:02Speaker 03

  And so, you know, we, we had to be really, like, kind of buttoned up and, and act correctly, which I think was actually really good training ground for later on, when we would work with Disney, and there's obviously, like, certain things that you have to do to represent the Disney Company, and, um, I think a lot of people took that as pressure. I, I certainly did at times, but I also, um, I think, you know, it was good for us. We, we were kids just trying to figure it out, and, um, always tried to be good people and, and make good choices, but... The pressure, the lens, I think, when social media came into the scene, you know, back when, I think Twitter was the first one.

• 22:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:41Speaker 03

  I mean, we used to be on MySpace, but that was long before, you know, Twitter and Instagram. Everyone became a journalist. And then even now with TikTok, everyone's a detective and everyone's a journalist. And so, you know, we were balanced about it, I think. It was a part of the job. It was sort of like, all right, this is just a kind of tax you have to pay. You sort of lose your privacy. But I think our parents really helped us kind of navigate that.

• 23:09Speaker 01

  Right. You had them through it all. And you also had each other.

• 23:12Speaker 03

  We had each other. We checked each other. And that was like, I think, it was good. It was like a self-governing thing where we all, you know, knew how to support each other, but also be like, hey, come on, don't do that.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  And what did Frankie think about all this?

• 23:27Speaker 03

  Let's ask him. Franklin, no. He was so young. I mean, he was, when we first started, he was like four.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  How old is he now?

• 23:35Speaker 03

  He's twenty, he'll be twenty-six this year.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  He was not four.

• 23:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, he was four.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  No, because I wasn't four. And that's my age.

• 23:44Speaker 03

  No, he was, we started.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Sorry, I don't know why I'm arguing with you about that.

• 23:48Speaker 03

  I'm telling the truth. We technically started working like twenty-two years ago. And I started on Broadway as a kid before that. So it's, I feel like, quite a long time.

• 23:57Speaker 01

  I forgot. I've seen the documentary.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:00Speaker 03

  I have.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  I have. I have. I remember, yeah, I remember you.

• 24:04Speaker 03

  Still have to get you to a show, though.

• 24:06Speaker 01

  Okay, well, so you know what?

• 24:08Speaker 03

  I know Joe gave you some shit about this.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  He did.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  I went to your Vegas show.

• 24:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, I remember that.

• 24:13Speaker 01

  Amazing. Love Bug was just simply electric.

• 24:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, did you gamble?

• 24:18Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 24:19Speaker 03

  Do you gamble?

• 24:19Speaker 01

  I, I've learned how to. I like the game where you play, and it spins on the wheel.

• 24:27Speaker 03

  Roulette.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  And you, that's roulette.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  That's my favorite game.

• 24:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it just lands on a number, because the first time I won two thousand bucks.

• 24:32Speaker 03

  Numbers, or did you just do red and black?

• 24:35Speaker 01

  I was, no, I did numbers. I was like, that one. And then it landed on that one.

• 24:39Speaker 03

  Just one number?

• 24:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, because I was like, just put it all on that one.

• 24:41Speaker 03

  See, that's how they hook you.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  Okay, so you think it's rigged?

• 24:45Speaker 03

  I think everything in the casino is rigged because it has to be. They have to make those buildings and someone has to make all that money, you know?

• 24:53Speaker 01

  So you know what I do, because I also think that. Every time I gamble, I say, "This is my first time."

• 24:58Speaker 03

  Smart.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  I say, "Oh my god, how do I do this? It's my first time," so they're nicer to me.

• 25:02Speaker 03

  That's very good. I'm gonna do that too. They'll be like, "Actually, we saw you here two months ago."

• 25:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, when you performed.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  When you performed, in this casino.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  Are you planning on touring this album?

• 25:11Speaker 03

  I hope to. I've been doing these sort of like smaller intimate shows where, you know, I get to talk about the music, where the inspiration came from. Because it is, you know, important for me to share the context of this album. I always start with like, "Why? Why now? Why this album?" That's the question I ask myself first, before I go and make a project. And that's because I want to make sure that I'm doing something that feels important to me, important enough to go in and, you know, spend the time in the studio to write the songs and record them. And to make the album, like, every second of the process starts with the intention. It's kind of my idea. And with this one, it was like, well, it took about two and a half years to make, but it's really thirty-three years in the making.

• 25:55Speaker 03

  It's like my whole life and different sort of snapshots and points of view and perspective that I had, but hadn't been able to put pen to paper on and actually like articulate in the way that I did with this one. And I think that came from collaboration. I worked with some amazing co-writers who really helped me kind of bring the vision to life with it. And yeah, so those shows have been great, and I've been able to give that context. And I'd love to do some more later this year, where I can do a sort of bigger, more exciting show, where I can play stuff from this album and stuff from previous records of mine and some songs I wrote with the Jonas Brothers stuff. Like, it'd be nice to... It's been, I think, ten years or so since I toured solo.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  Really? Was the last tour with the album that had "Jealous" on it?

• 26:38Speaker 03

  Uh, no, it was the one after that. It was called "Last Year Was Complicated."

• 26:42Speaker 01

  I remember.

• 26:43Speaker 03

  I went on a, like, a tour for that. That was about twenty-five shows or something like that. And then I did another one not too long after that. But yeah, it's been a while.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  Do you enjoy touring?

• 26:55Speaker 03

  I love touring.

• 26:58Speaker 03

  I don't always love traveling so much, you know? It's nice when you can kind of hub out of a city.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 27:04Speaker 03

  What we'll do is we'll... Be based in Los Angeles for like a week, going in and out of the different places for the shows, on the bus, or whatever, lying and then, and then you get to come back home and see the family and kind of have a sense of normalcy amidst the craziness. But I really do love Tori.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 27:21Speaker 03

  How did you like your tour?

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh, not you knowing. Thank you so much for asking.

• 27:27Speaker 03

  Didn't you play MSG?

• 27:28Speaker 01

  No.

• 27:30Speaker 03

  Radio City?

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Radio City.

• 27:32Speaker 03

  Cause I walked by the marquee to go to the theater when I was doing the last five years and I was like, oh, wow. That's amazing.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  Heck.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  I was, I was very excited for you.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 27:44Speaker 03

  It's a big deal.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  It was awesome. It was awesome. It was exhausting. And I know that sounds silly coming from me because you're like up there singing and dancing and doing the whole to do and I'm just talking. But it was exhausting.

• 27:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  It was exhausting because, I don't know, I'm, I'm just-

• 27:58Speaker 03

  It's a lot of energy.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  It's a lot of energy. I'm, I'm a, I'm a tough cookie in general as a human. I'm quite lazy. I, you know, it was a lot. It was a lot, but I, my favorite part, at least for me, because I began online, was being able to see everybody in person and be like, oh my God, it's so real. These people are, like, this is real. Like, people are actually buying tickets and showing up to this. So powerful.

• 28:27Speaker 03

  Like, we, you know, you do it, whether it's on, online or on recording, you know, whatever it is, and it's, in a lot of ways, you're kind of like, is it real? Like, who, who are these folks that are engaging with this? And then you get to, to see it and, and see the impact that the live experience has on people. It's, it's, I think it's really powerful.

• 28:48Speaker 01

  Do you have a favorite show you've ever done?

• 28:51Speaker 03

  Tough to pick, but we, the, the first show of this last tour that, that we just did,

• 28:56Speaker 01

  That I missed.

• 28:57Speaker 03

  Greetings from your hometown tour that you missed.

• 29:00Speaker 03

  Was pretty amazing. It was in our hometown stadium that we used to drive past on our way into New York City, like, hoping to accomplish our dreams someday and looking at that venue and be like, one day we'll play there. And we got to start the tour there and,

• 29:14Speaker 03

  that was probably- My favorite one in recent memory, but there's so many, tough to pick. Did you have a favorite one?

• 29:19Speaker 01

  Seattle.

• 29:20Speaker 03

  Seattle?

• 29:21Speaker 01

  Seattle. That was fishing, right? Seattle, it was just because-

• 29:25Speaker 03

  A good vibe.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  It was, the crowd was great. And my favorite is when I can riff with the crowd.

• 29:31Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  And like, and feel, I just felt very confident. And like-

• 29:36Speaker 03

  Love that.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  In like my humor and my, all my jokes were landing and it was just, it was the best. No, everyone was so, so happy and we went fishing and got sushi after that and it was just great.

• 29:48Speaker 03

  Where do you think your sense of humor comes from? Like, what's the source of it or where did it come from?

• 29:53Speaker 01

  I think I'm very self-deprecating.

• 29:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  So I think it's a defense mechanism almost against somebody making a comment, like if, like there, have you ever seen the show Girls?

• 30:04Speaker 03

  I have not, admittedly, sorry.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  No, it's okay. You have to.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 30:09Speaker 01

  And-

• 30:09Speaker 03

  I have a lot of flights, so I'll put it on my-

• 30:12Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 30:12Speaker 03

  To-do list.

• 30:13Speaker 01

  Quantico Girls.

• 30:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  Um, it's, so Hannah, Lena Dunham, has this line where she says, like, anything bad you could say about me, I've said to myself ten times within the last hour already.

• 30:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:25Speaker 01

  And so I think that a lot of my humor is like, kind of getting to the joke first before anyone else can, because I'm so scared of someone like making fun of me. Like, I have this quote above, um, my bed, my bed, that Manny, who's out there, painted for me and it's, it's a quote, I forget who said it, but it says, um, "If you slip on a banana peel, if you slip on a banana peel, people will laugh at you. But if you tell people you slipped on a banana peel, it's your laugh."

• 30:54Speaker 03

  That's good.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  And so that's, I think, where my humor is from. And also, I'm, I don't know, I'm like miserable and anxious and just like, I haven't, you know, like-

• 31:04Speaker 03

  I think, uh, yeah, it's interesting because you have, you have a very- You have a very good sense of humor and your style of comedy, like going back to the first couple of videos I saw of yours, I was like, this is a very smart person. Cause you have to be smart to like, you know, to write those bits and to like, to do them well.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  I should hang out with you all the time.

• 31:31Speaker 03

  I'm not trying to gas you up, I'm just saying it.

• 31:32Speaker 01

  No, I know.

• 31:33Speaker 03

  It shows.

• 31:34Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 31:34Speaker 03

  And, you know, the fact that it's from a place of saying like, I'm gonna make the joke before someone else can, makes a lot of sense based on how you construct your comedy. But you're very funny.

• 31:47Speaker 01

  Thank you. And you are a very good singer, actor, and.

• 31:51Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 31:51Speaker 01

  And all of it.

• 31:54Speaker 01

  I also, I think I base it a lot in like my friend group, like it, a lot of.

• 31:58Speaker 03

  You can see that.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of it's very like imitations of like, I grew up around a lot of women. All my best friends are girls and like, it's, it's like very, if you get it, you like, you really get it. Like, it's very like girl humor, I would say.

• 32:13Speaker 03

  Love that.

• 32:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. I did want to ask you about the Send It On video.

• 32:17Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. What about it?

• 32:19Speaker 01

  Do you feel like that was kind of, we are the world for children?

• 32:26Speaker 03

  Uh, in some ways, it was. I mean, here's the, here's the reality. At the, at the core of it, the whole Friends for Change movement, I think was a really responsible and good thing that.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  What was that movement?

• 32:39Speaker 03

  It was about being kinder to the planet Earth, right?

• 32:44Speaker 01

  Oh girl, we have not accomplished that.

• 32:46Speaker 03

  We have not accomplished that. And so that sentiment, I think, was, was really solid. There was, there was a lot of initiatives like, you know, waste in the oceans and, and, you know, recycling, like all these things are good in, in practice, in principle. But it was slightly like, it was a lot.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, but did you have fun filming or was it like so stressful? Like, cause if you, there's like a BTS of like the we are the world. Am I correct? There's like a, beyond the scenes of like the day, the night that like Lionel Richie, yeah, there's a, there's a movie about it. It was like the most stressful night ever. So was it stressful for you guys to do Send It On?

• 33:27Speaker 03

  It's aspects of it, uh, cause it was all of, like, the big one was like all of the talent across all the, the shows. And anytime all of us were together, it was like, it was just a lot of energy. Everyone, you know.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  Well, yeah.

• 33:42Speaker 03

  A bunch of teenagers and it was, so it was, it was, uh, not stressful in the way of like, are we gonna get this right? We were just, you know, go stand over there, deliver your line or sing your thing. And I mean, there was like so many liners though.

• 33:56Speaker 01

  Like what do you mean?

• 33:56Speaker 03

  If you want the, the back.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do. I do.

• 33:59Speaker 03

  So we do these like, they were called like, uh, content days or something where basically all the talent would come in and it would be the, the, the one thing.

• 34:06Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:07Speaker 03

  That. And then they would, then you would do, like, all these liners for like different territories.

• 34:13Speaker 01

  Oh, you know, you know what? I used to, when I worked at a record label, I would make artists do these.

• 34:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:18Speaker 03

  But these are on camera, and it's like every territory across all the Disney channels all over the world. And then also like some of these initiatives that were a part of the Disney Channel thing. And that part always like, you know, reading off a teleprompter, like, to your point about it feeling exhausting to play shows, you love it, but it's, it is like, it's a lot of energy. That would always kind of get me is like the, having to read off a prompter for hours, be like, oh my gosh, this is insane.

• 34:43Speaker 01

  Do you remember, can you do one?

• 34:45Speaker 03

  Down the barrel?

• 34:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  Hey, I'm Nick Jonas and you're watching Disney Channel. Be sure to check out a new episode of Zack and Cody coming this spring.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  That kind of stuff. Okay, but what about for a different country?

• 34:55Speaker 03

  Hey Denmark, it's Nick Jonas here.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  Okay, cool. Just, I wanted like full context. Sorry, I just like triggered you, literally.

• 35:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. But it's okay.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  I'm so sorry.

• 35:08Speaker 03

  It's fine. I'm, I'm gonna survive.

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• 35:52Speaker 01

  So I am going to be using code THERAPIST for 10% off my order for my Noah Khan tickets. I cannot wait. Louise can't wait. Also, Robin is going on tour. Olivia Dean is on tour. Like, there are just so many exciting concerts to see. And there, quite frankly, is a bunch of time to see them. It's, it's, it's getting warmer out. Let's go. Let's have a fun time. SeatGeek is there for all your ticketing needs. If you click the link in the description to download the app, it will automatically add the code to your account, THERAPIST for 10% off. And also, I'm on Broadway. If you want to see me in All Out, a comedy about ambition, you can get those tickets on SeatGeek. So I just want to say I love having SeatGeek as a sponsor for this show because we have so many artists on this show. So I feel like it's, it's so cool that like you'll be able to watch them on this.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  And then if you want to see them live, if they're on tour, you can go to SeatGeek and buy tickets to their tour using code THERAPIST for 10% off. Thank you again, SeatGeek, for sponsoring today's episode.

• 36:48Speaker 01

  Do you, did you watch any Disney shows while you were on Disney?

• 36:51Speaker 03

  We'd watch some of the, the movies. Before we were on Disney Channel, DCOMs, as it, as it were.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 37:01Speaker 03

  We would watch all the classics and there were some amazing ones. You know, Johnny's tsunami was a good one.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  What's your favorite movie of all time?

• 37:08Speaker 03

  Ooh, Good Will Hunting. It's probably my favorite movie of all time.

• 37:11Speaker 01

  Oh, did you see Good Will Duncan last night?

• 37:13Speaker 03

  I didn't see it. I heard about it. Is it good? What was your favorite ad?

• 37:17Speaker 01

  My favorite ad? Oh, everybody.

• 37:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, the T-Mobile one.

• 37:22Speaker 01

  But then, no, it was crypto. Coinbase crypto now. It was, oh, okay.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  Gosh.

• 37:28Speaker 01

  Now I feel bad, you know? Like, cause like, but yeah, it was cool.

• 37:33Speaker 03

  You gonna do a Super Bowl commercial next year?

• 37:35Speaker 01

  Ideally, did you guys do one this year?

• 37:38Speaker 03

  No.

• 37:39Speaker 01

  I did Poppy last year.

• 37:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  Have you guys ever done, yeah, I'm sure you've done one before.

• 37:43Speaker 03

  I, I have, yeah.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  Which for who?

• 37:45Speaker 03

  The brothers haven't, I have.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 37:49Speaker 03

  Well, I have a partnership with Dexcom, which is a continuous glucose monitor that I wear. I'm a type one diabetic, so I have my Dexcom on here and I did, it's really cool. We, we did actually two Super Bowl campaigns. And it was amazing to, to bring something like diabetes onto a stage that big and, and talk about a thing that really is quite life-changing for me and, and so many people living with, with type one and type two. So that was cool. Then I did a Toyota commercial, which was fun.

• 38:16Speaker 01

  Two different things.

• 38:16Speaker 03

  Very different things.

• 38:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 38:18Speaker 03

  The Toyota commercial was a good concept. It was, um, you know, keeping up with the Joneses. And I appear like Jonas. It was, it was very funny.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  Oh, that's very clever. They're very clever with those.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  They are.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  When you started openly talking about diabetes, did people come up to you in the street and say like, "Thank you"?

• 38:35Speaker 03

  Well, I was diagnosed when I was 13.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:38Speaker 03

  And we, we had just really started touring and stuff and, and I knew pretty quickly that I wanted to speak openly about it because when I was in the hospital newly diagnosed, there really wasn't somebody that the nurses or the doctors could be like, "Hey, this person's living with this disease and they're doing just fine." And so I was kind of like, if, if, whatever platform I have, at whatever stage, I'm just going to speak about this because there might be somebody, another 13-year-old kid in the hospital who needs a little, you know, encouragement, um, that they're going to be okay. And so, yeah, I've spoken about it forever, basically, and I've met some amazing people by being open about it.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  That's beautiful.

• 39:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, thank you.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel like I know quite a few people with diabetes.

• 39:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  Sorry, that was so awkward. I, I say that.

• 39:26Speaker 03

  I mean, a lot, a lot of people have it.

• 39:28Speaker 01

  My friend Tucker has it, you know, role model.

• 39:29Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  He is amazing.

• 39:31Speaker 03

  I met him in Vegas briefly.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. Yeah, you did.

• 39:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  You should be Sally.

• 39:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, I should be.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  You should be.

• 39:41Speaker 03

  I should, this is my formal offer? No.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  No.

• 39:45Speaker 03

  I'm throwing my name in there.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  Yes. Do you know like how Sally started and stuff?

• 39:49Speaker 03

  No.

• 39:51Speaker 01

  No idea. You're just like, all of a sudden it appeared?

• 39:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, what, what?

• 39:56Speaker 01

  Are you lying?

• 39:58Speaker 03

  I genuinely don't, I don't know.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 40:01Speaker 03

  Is it you?

• 40:03Speaker 01

  It was me.

• 40:05Speaker 03

  You're the first Sally?

• 40:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was the first Sally.

• 40:07Speaker 03

  Well, this is like how I react when people are like bringing your name up and I'm like, "Do you know that I actually was the first person to like engage with him on social?"

• 40:14Speaker 01

  You don't say that, do you really?

• 40:15Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, I take full credit.

• 40:16Speaker 01

  Wait, why am I so honored?

• 40:17Speaker 03

  If that's gotten back to you, I hope you're not offended, but I-

• 40:19Speaker 01

  No, I'm so honored!

• 40:20Speaker 03

  I'm not saying that like I'm the- I'd never say that. I just say that, you know.

• 40:24Speaker 01

  No, no, you were the first. That, that, that, you were my first.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  That week in New York, I went to New York, I think literally with the sole purpose of making that video with you guys.

• 40:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, at Fallon.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, at Fallon.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  That was great.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  Hi, my Murray King.

• 40:41Speaker 03

  What's so funny is I was in London at the time, Priyanka was shooting Citadel there and I was like-

• 40:47Speaker 01

  I've heard that's great.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  It's great. You should check it out, the next season's coming out soon. Her new movie's amazing. Comes out, I'm going to point at you though, it's really aggressive.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  No. What's her new movie?

• 40:55Speaker 03

  You must watch it. It's called The Bluff. It's on Amazon Prime. It comes out on the 24th, I believe.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  What's it about?

• 41:02Speaker 03

  She plays a pirate, like warrior. It's a badass revenge story. It's so good. It's set in like the 17, late 1700s. Anyways, I was with her in London and I'd just gotten there a few days before, so I was still jet lagged and I was like up till four or five in the morning every night, just scrolling. And then I came across your video and I sort of made the response in somewhat of like a delirious state because I was up at four in the morning. And yeah, it was crazy how much people loved it.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  I mean, I woke up with pure joy and excitement that Nick Jonas threw at my video.

• 41:38Speaker 03

  It was so great.

• 41:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was, that was, thank you.

• 41:41Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  It's not, it's just a very, very small, small part of the ascension story.

• 41:49Speaker 01

  Well, to me, it's one of the biggest. I talk about it all the time. Like, yeah, that first week in New York. And then I went to go to your SNL after-party, you guys performed on SNL.

• 41:58Speaker 03

  That was fun.

• 41:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know, my favorite song off that album is, I think it's called "Montana Skies."

• 42:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh cool, thanks.

• 42:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:04Speaker 03

  John Bellion.

• 42:06Speaker 01

  Great.

• 42:06Speaker 03

  Icon.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  He has, he's made one of my favorite songs of all time. "Ghost" by Justin Bieber.

• 42:10Speaker 03

  It's really good, that song.

• 42:11Speaker 01

  Oh, so good. Did you work with him on this new album?

• 42:14Speaker 03

  I didn't work with him on this new album, but I, I certainly will again on something. He's, he's the best.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  Who did you work with on this album?

• 42:21Speaker 03

  So JP Sacks

• 42:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:25Speaker 03

  Basically posted this video a while back. That was very honest and kind of vulnerable. It was about his tour and having to not do it because of some factors. And basically I was like, wow, he was so candid and it like really spoke to me. And I reached out and said, hey, do you want to come out and be the special guest at our show? In Toronto where he's from and he said yes and he came out and absolutely killed it. And then basically, I was like, look, I'm doing a writing camp in a couple of weeks. Love for you to join. And so he was really, I think, the anchor to the project, helping me kind of bring it all to life and say what I wanted to say. And then there was a bunch of other collaborators, Paris Carney, who's a very good friend of mine. Also a huge part of

• 43:09Speaker 03

  the songwriting aspects of this and Brian Daly, Blush, Josette, Jeff Giddy, Dwayne Whitmore. It was an amazing group of people.

• 43:18Speaker 03

  Who really gave me the freedom to speak, you know, honestly. And I think because it was friends, I was able to just kind of relax and take the guard down a little bit and just be real and just sometimes you approach like writing a song and you're thinking about all the ways in which it'll be commercial or it'll find its audience. If it'll trend on TikTok. I mean, all these things are a part of the creative process, whether you like it or not. But I really wanted to just strip all that away and say, what feels right here? And what am I, what am I actually trying to say?

• 43:53Speaker 03

  Now, look, I hope one of them becomes a hit. That would be great, but

• 43:57Speaker 03

  it's kind of more important at this stage for me to just say the most real thing.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  I loved Gut Punch.

• 44:02Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  Can you explain to me the beginning, you're talking about your hair falling out and then it not falling out? What is the significance behind that?

• 44:10Speaker 03

  I went to the studio that day and I was talking to my co-writers, Blush, Josette, Ryan Daly. I was like, Literally like this, like I'm having my coffee, kind of start of the day and I was retelling them about how earlier that morning, I was like, I think my hair stopped growing. They're like, what do you mean? I was like, it's well, it's not, it's not falling out, but it's just, it's reached its maximum length and it just doesn't grow any longer than that. They're like, that's not possible. I'm like, I don't, I don't know. And then I got reflective about it and not to get too like artisty, whatever.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  No, gaiety.

• 44:48Speaker 03

  I was like, maybe it's me. Maybe I'm not growing. Like, and the metaphor became important enough to be like, that's a song. And that literally became the verse. And then when we got to the gut punch part, it was just about kind of the ways in which we all beat ourselves up and stress about, are people thinking about that thing I said last night? I feel like I'm misunderstood or, um, you know, am I being a thoughtful and responsible friend? Husband, father, all these questions. And, and one of the things I think is important about gut punch, which is why I wanted to put it out first is that it is specific to my experience, but I think it's the most universal theme and concept. You don't have to have lived my experience

• 45:34Speaker 03

  to relate to this. And also I feel like, you know, I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth ever, but some people might look at me and my life and say, oh, like, he doesn't ever think like that, but that's just not the case. I mean, we all deal with some level of self doubt or,

• 45:50Speaker 03

  you know, even ways in which we speak to ourself that are unkind at times. And

• 45:57Speaker 03

  it was really gratifying for me to, to make a song that, that speaks about that.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I thought it was super beautiful. It reminded me of when I was journaling the other day and I was just writing all these horrible things about myself down.

• 46:10Speaker 03

  Why?

• 46:11Speaker 01

  Because I crashed out for like, how many, how long would you give it, Louise? What? Three weeks?

• 46:20Speaker 01

  I thought shorter. I thought it was one week.

• 46:22Speaker 03

  I'm sorry that happened.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  No, it's okay. It's okay. I, but I wrote like oink, oink, oink, piggy.

• 46:29Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, I would encourage you, unsolicited.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  Think positive. No, I know, I know.

• 46:35Speaker 03

  Um, it's important to get those things out.

• 46:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got it out.

• 46:39Speaker 03

  To get it out and then leave it behind. And if you, you know, sometimes you just have to say a thing. It doesn't mean it's true. It doesn't make it true because you've said it. You know who you are. You know what your heart is and, and, you know, I'm sorry that that rejection happened, but.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  But you know what?

• 46:56Speaker 03

  It's all good.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  I found out the other day that it was well worth it. I'll tell you after. It's actually a really exciting story.

• 47:02Speaker 03

  Oh, boy.

• 47:03Speaker 01

  I know. You don't give two shits.

• 47:06Speaker 03

  I'm excited to hear.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  Um, what was I gonna ask you? Oh, Love Bug. The chord change in Love Bug when it goes like hard.

• 47:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:17Speaker 01

  How did that happen?

• 47:18Speaker 03

  The first verse, second, uh, chorus and second verse, second chorus before the, the big change at the end. Um, I wrote in a hotel room in New York City and I, I basically had it ending with the just. Love Bug again. Of course, and without it doing the big epic guitar solo thing and the. But when Kevin and Joe heard, they wanted to ramp that part up and we all contributed to that. Sort of piece of the puzzle, which I think makes it a really special and powerful moment live and.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  It's the best song of all time.

• 47:48Speaker 03

  So I'm so proud of that one. I think it's the, like, the quintessential Jonas Brothers song.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  That's what you think is the quintessential?

• 47:58Speaker 01

  That's what you think is the quintessential Jonas Brothers song? Love Bug?

• 48:01Speaker 03

  So, yeah.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  That would be my quintessential one.

• 48:03Speaker 03

  Takes you on a journey. Musically, it's really representative of like our sound. And, you know, I, I, I think playing it now, so many years later, is even more exciting and, and.

• 48:18Speaker 03

  You know, powerful than even when it was back then.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  Wow. I did not know. I, I could have thought you would have said year 3000.

• 48:25Speaker 03

  Well, what's funny is year 3000 is a cover. It's not even our song originally, we didn't write it. A lot of people don't know this.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  Including me.

• 48:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, so there's a band called Busted. They are amazing guys.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 48:40Speaker 03

  And had, you know, their first kind of big record and break in the early 2000s. Um, but this song, that was massive over in the UK, didn't really transition over here to the US and or, you know, um, it didn't chart here in the US. Uh, so our label exec, David Massey, who signed us and is the best guy ever, he was like, I have this idea, what if we cut this record and release it in the US? So we did and, uh, it was wild, but I mean, a brilliant move on his part to find that, pair it with us and obviously Busted had to approve it. Cause for a long time we had all these people being like, from the UK, like, they stole this song, it's like, you can't steal a song.

• 49:22Speaker 01

  Right, right.

• 49:23Speaker 03

  It's not how it works, you have to get approval or you get sued, you know?

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:26Speaker 03

  Um, and so they were kind enough to let us take the song and run, we've now performed it together a bunch of times.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  Busted's still together?

• 49:32Speaker 03

  They're still together, um, they're on, on tour right now or just finished up one.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Do, what is your favorite, like, speaking of covers, what is your favorite, like, musical cover of all time?

• 49:43Speaker 03

  It's, it's kind of a double.

• 49:46Speaker 03

  It's, it's, it's a bizarre one, but you know, Dolly Parton wrote, "I Will Always Love You." And I will always, so she wrote that, Whitney Houston made it popular.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 49:57Speaker 03

  But then Dolly Parton released her own version of it, I believe, is, or it's the other way around, anyway.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  That's your fave?

• 50:03Speaker 03

  Whitney and Dolly both kind of covered the, I don't know how to explain it, but

• 50:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I

• 50:07Speaker 03

  The math's not mapping in my brain either, but yeah.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 50:10Speaker 03

  That's the best one.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  Wow, I think my favorite, it's kind of random, Drake did a cover of Nico's "These Days."

• 50:18Speaker 03

  I've never heard that.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  It is just simply, have you ever heard it? Oh my God, it's amazing. First of all, I love the song These Days and his cover of it is just outstanding.

• 50:31Speaker 01

  I am very, very excited to announce a new sponsor of Therapuce, which is Depop. I love Depop. Everyone loves Depop. My best friends in the entire world use Depop like religiously. It is the best place I feel like to find secondhand and resale fashion. Like, I mean, what I specifically use it for, and as you can see, is I like finding like vintage artists or like merch on there. I love merch. More than, merch is like my favorite thing in the entire world. Like, I love like, I don't know if it's like the feeling of exclusivity or what, I don't know what it is, but I love merch and more specifically, I love vintage merch. So I always, always, always go to Depop to find that vintage merch

• 51:16Speaker 01

  because somebody is always selling like an old concert T-shirt or like an old poster. So I love Depop. I had Nick Jonas on today and I got this on Depop and I was gonna wear it, but right before I got so nervous and I just, I was like, I can't, I can't, I can't. Because I was, but I'm wearing it now to announce this Depop partnership that I am so excited about. For the next guest, though, that I do this with, I am going to muster up the strength and courage to wear the merch. When I found out Nick was coming on, I like immediately went to Depop because if there's anything out there, I know there's some old Jonas Brothers merch. And I was correct and I found this incredible T-shirt.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  And Manny also found a T-shirt. Manny, come here. Yes, come sit. Grab the mic.

• 52:02Speaker 04

  My beautiful vintage shirt.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  Yes. Do you use Depop?

• 52:05Speaker 04

  I use Depop like every month.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  Do you ever sell clothes on Depop?

• 52:09Speaker 04

  I never have actually, but I know it's easy. I have friends that do it.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  My favorite part about Depop personally, not that you asked, but I'm gonna tell you, is that they don't take seller fees. So like a bunch of other companies, like if you're selling... Your clothes, like they will take a cut of what you make, but Depop doesn't take anything. So it's like a literal virtual flea market, which I think is so cool.

• 52:29Speaker 04

  That is cool.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  Also, what I love about Depop is that like you really do like connect with people that share similar styles to you and style is such a personal thing. You really do talk to the person you're buying from, like, or that you're selling to, and it is just such a community. I just think it's so incredible. All of my best friends, including me, shop on Depop. Like, it is just so, you find pieces you would not find anywhere. You can just find like really, really unique items, and I just think it is just the perfect place for that. It really is because you can find stuff you literally can't find anywhere else. Also, what I think is amazing is that Depop is for everyone. Like, my best friend Julia uses it to find like these insane vintage pieces, but then I have friends with kids that, once these kids grow out of these clothes, they want a place to sell them, so they'll

• 53:11Speaker 01

  sell them on Depop. Like, it really is just such a community where everyone can, there's something for everyone, and I just think that's so amazing. For me, it's merch and like concert merch and artist merch and like Louise uses it to find shoes. She like has a huge shoe collection and like loves finding vintage shoes on Depop. Also, it really helps you hone your own personal style because you're not being like told what to buy. You're not being like marketed certain items. Like, you are on the hunt for what you want. Download the Depop app to start selling. Your first listing only takes a few minutes, and there is somebody out there already searching for your style. Thank you again, Depop, for sponsoring today's episode. Stay tuned for all the other guests and the exciting items I find to accompany them.

• 53:57Speaker 03

  Who's your favorite artist of all time?

• 53:58Speaker 01

  Taylor Swift.

• 53:59Speaker 03

  Taylor Swift.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  Who's yours?

• 54:01Speaker 03

  Stevie Wonder, probably.

• 54:02Speaker 01

  I also love Bonnie Bear.

• 54:03Speaker 03

  Very cool.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  Right?

• 54:06Speaker 03

  Very cool.

• 54:06Speaker 01

  Right? Every time I say that, I'm always like, "And Bonnie Bear."

• 54:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:12Speaker 01

  Because, you know, like, everyone's like, "What are you listening to right now?" I'm like, "Just the new Bonnie Bear record." Because I just feel like it makes me seem like in the, in the scene.

• 54:20Speaker 03

  It's like when you, when you order like a fancy cocktail and you're like, "Yeah, I drink these all the time."

• 54:25Speaker 01

  What's your favorite cocktail?

• 54:26Speaker 03

  I keep it quite simple. Just do tequila with soda.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  You seem like a tequila drinker.

• 54:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. Do I?

• 54:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. You give that.

• 54:35Speaker 03

  I'm giving tequila drinker?

• 54:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, and then if I'm doing, if I'm like... Doing a thing. Like I'm going to an event or I'm dressed up. I love to have a dirty martini.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 54:48Speaker 03

  About gin or vodka?

• 54:49Speaker 01

  Vodka. You gin?

• 54:51Speaker 03

  Gin.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  That's because you're a grown up.

• 54:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love a dirty martini. The best dirty martini. I used to like hate olives. Hate, hate olives, more than anything in the world. Then I went to this hotel in London called...

• 55:05Speaker 03

  How could you hate olives with a passion?

• 55:08Speaker 01

  I just found them quite disgusting.

• 55:09Speaker 03

  They're so good. It's my favorite thing.

• 55:11Speaker 01

  Are they really?

• 55:12Speaker 03

  I could, I could eat a bowl of olives. But I have another friend. See how I said another friend? I have another friend who um, also hates olives and is like passionate about it. I'm like, that is such bizarre thing to be like angry about.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Can I tell you what it is? The texture doesn't match the taste.

• 55:31Speaker 03

  Do you ever drink beer?

• 55:33Speaker 01

  Like to seem cool sometimes.

• 55:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:35Speaker 01

  Like if I'm with a guy, he's like having a beer, like I'm like, okay.

• 55:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  You know, like I'll get involved, but like...

• 55:43Speaker 03

  I had this one friend who dropped uh, three, two or three olives into a beer because the like the salty kind of thing with the beer.

• 55:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd kill myself.

• 55:54Speaker 03

  Um, I tried it one time. It's actually it's interesting. It's not bad, but it's not particularly good either.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  That's like giving ketchup on pizza.

• 56:02Speaker 03

  Yes, that's crazy to me.

• 56:04Speaker 01

  That is, that is also crazy to me.

• 56:06Speaker 03

  I mean, but at least ketchup is still kind of tomato sauce.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  I used to hate cherry tomatoes. I love them now.

• 56:13Speaker 03

  What else did you used to hate that you now love?

• 56:16Speaker 01

  Oh my god, love that question. Cherry tomatoes, olives, still hate beets. Cottage cheese. I used to like, uh-uh.

• 56:24Speaker 03

  You used to hate it, now you love it.

• 56:26Speaker 01

  I, well, I had never tried it because it just bugged me out so bad.

• 56:29Speaker 03

  Do you like Indian food?

• 56:30Speaker 01

  More than anything.

• 56:31Speaker 03

  My favorite Indian dish is paneer, which is basically cottage cheese cubes and some sort of sauce, right? And I, I have always hated cottage cheese. And then I I had paneer and I was like, this is the greatest thing. I was like, it's cottage cheese. Did you know that? I'm like, what? I've been I've been lied to my entire life to myself.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  I don't think I've ever had paneer. I my I love biryani and I love, of course, Indian masala. I love papadum. It's my favorite snack in the entire world with the chutney.

• 57:02Speaker 03

  So satisfying.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  So satisfying. And I haven't been able to find this anywhere. There's this one place in New York. Have you ever been to Swagat, New York?

• 57:09Speaker 03

  I have not.

• 57:10Speaker 01

  Okay, it's on the Upper West Side. It's one of my some of my favorite Indian food in the entire world. And they have this thing called pori or puri.

• 57:17Speaker 03

  Pony pori.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it's and it's like this bread and you pop it and it's like really hot.

• 57:23Speaker 03

  It's got like a they're like this big or you talking about a big?

• 57:26Speaker 01

  No, the big, the big one.

• 57:27Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  And I love lamb korma.

• 57:30Speaker 03

  Very nice. I'm gonna have Indian food tonight.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  From where?

• 57:34Speaker 03

  We ordered from a place called La Murch. Shout out La Murch.

• 57:36Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 57:37Speaker 03

  It's in the valley.

• 57:37Speaker 01

  Please, I need the recs because I.

• 57:39Speaker 03

  It's so good. And my wife, she's obviously knows her stuff on Indian food. She approves of this place.

• 57:44Speaker 01

  Okay, I would tell. Will you send this to me?

• 57:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  What's your favorite type of food?

• 57:48Speaker 03

  Um, favorite type of food is number one spot would be Thai food now. Used to be Italian. It's been taken over by Thai food.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  You know what? I have to agree.

• 58:00Speaker 03

  It's so good.

• 58:00Speaker 01

  I have to agree. Mine is Thai and Japanese. Those two, those two really do it for me.

• 58:05Speaker 03

  Um, I agree. My my order is Thai, Italian, Indian, Japanese, everything else. French. I I don't know. Everything else.

• 58:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't like French food.

• 58:18Speaker 03

  Really?

• 58:19Speaker 01

  What is French food?

• 58:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, French fries. Those are good.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  I don't count. Come on.

• 58:24Speaker 03

  There's a place in the valley that that'll change your mind about this, I think.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  Called?

• 58:28Speaker 03

  It's called Petit Toit.

• 58:30Speaker 01

  Oh, I've heard of Petit.

• 58:34Speaker 01

  Petit Toit.

• 58:35Speaker 03

  It's it's really good and it's a great environment in there.

• 58:38Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 58:38Speaker 03

  Um, but there's a dish called, uh, do you like fish?

• 58:42Speaker 01

  Go for the dish first.

• 58:43Speaker 03

  Okay, it's called like a trout almondine or something. It's so good. It's like citrusy.

• 58:51Speaker 01

  Nope, God.

• 58:52Speaker 03

  No?

• 58:52Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 58:53Speaker 03

  Buttery?

• 58:54Speaker 01

  What?

• 58:54Speaker 03

  Like butter?

• 58:55Speaker 01

  But yes, you have you have you had the um, the Dover sole at Giorgio Baldi?

• 59:00Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  That is a fish I like.

• 59:02Speaker 03

  It's very good.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. But I guess I do like this one French place. Oh, I don't know if it's Italian. Have you ever been to Le Petit Maison?

• 59:09Speaker 03

  I have.

• 59:10Speaker 01

  So that's my favorite restaurant in the entire world, despite it not being my favorite food category.

• 59:14Speaker 03

  Where's it?

• 59:15Speaker 01

  Uh, there's one in Cannes and there's one in London.

• 59:17Speaker 03

  It's very chic.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  I know. That's why I said it.

• 59:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:22Speaker 03

  It's like Bon Iver.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  Right? I'm so happy you had that reaction. Do you like Bon Iver?

• 59:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I do.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  First of all, is your full name Nicholas?

• 59:30Speaker 03

  It is.

• 59:30Speaker 01

  Okay, cool, because I called you it within the first few minutes and I've been thinking about it ever since, because I'm like, what if his full name isn't Nicholas? Because there's a lot of Jakes that aren't Jacob.

• 59:37Speaker 03

  You're Jake.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  Jacob.

• 59:39Speaker 03

  Jacob.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  Jacob Roscoe. You sound like a villain.

• 59:44Speaker 03

  Um, that's a good name. It's not as good as Jake Shane.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 59:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a good name.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  Do you know Debbie Ryan?

• 59:55Speaker 03

  I, yeah, not well, but we, we've met many times and hung before.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  Her and I, we share a lot of similarities.

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  How so?

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Um, have you ever seen her red carpet interviews?

• 1:00:07Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, I love those.

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. So we called those my Debbie moments. Right then and there, Debbie.

• 1:00:13Speaker 03

  That's, that's fabulous.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:15Speaker 03

  She's, um, she's great. And, um, the one with the, uh, when it did this channel and that one is so good.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  Made history?

• 1:00:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what we did. I love it. It's so good.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  Was she Radio Rebel? She was Radio Rebel queen. Shout out Debbie Ryan.

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  She's awesome.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  Who do you keep in touch with from the Disney days?

• 1:00:35Speaker 03

  Some of the cast of Camp Rock come out, um, for Jonas Con, which was...

• 1:00:42Speaker 01

  Jo- what?

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  Jonas Con.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  Tell me about Jonas Con.

• 1:00:46Speaker 03

  I think we actually tried to get you to come to Jonas Con.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  I think you did. I must.

• 1:00:49Speaker 03

  To moderate, like a chat.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  I think I was on tour.

• 1:00:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was basically like, you know, what it sounds like, uh, just a convention where it was all Jonas Brothers stuff to celebrate the 20 years. As part of that, some of the Camp Rock cast came out, um... Which was great, so keep in touch with them, but outside of that, not really anyone. Wow, it's like high school. Yeah, we've all, I mean, we've all grown up and kind of, everyone's found their own sort of path in life and journey and it's beautiful to see, everyone seems to be doing, seems to be doing well. Tell me about Camp Rock 3. Camp Rock 3 is- What can you tell me about Camp Rock 3? It is, uh, I can tell you a lot about it, I'm thrilled that it's happening because, you know, those two movies, Camp Rock 1 and 2,

• 1:01:35Speaker 03

  really meant a lot to a lot of people all over the world, and it was this incredible big Disney thing that we got to be a part of and,

• 1:01:46Speaker 03

  you know, to then now pass the torch on to a new generation is, is really a special thing and, and so the concept of the movie is basically that, I don't want to give too much away, but, um, you know, we, we lose our opening act for our big tour, the start of the movie, and then it's basically about the new generation. Oh, and you go to the camp to find? Yeah. It's so fun. So then it's all about them, and they basically take it over and, and they're so talented, these kids, and it was so cool to see, you know, the spark, uh, at this early stage in their lives and careers and, and what it's gonna become, because they're gonna, they're gonna be massive stars in a matter of no time and, and, um,

• 1:02:29Speaker 03

  you know, I'm, I'm really excited for a whole new generation of, of people to be introduced to this, this movie. Do these kids know, like, who are starring in it, what Camp Rock 1 and 2 meant to us? I think they really, they really do understand the, the gravity of it, the weight of it, you know, and, and what it meant to,

• 1:02:49Speaker 03

  sort of, this generation and what it will mean to the next as well. Yeah, that's beautiful. Are you watching any of the Oscar noms this year? Do you ever do like- I watched, I think, most of them.

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  What's your fave so far?

• 1:03:01Speaker 03

  Um, I thought, uh, I thought One Battle After Another was-

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  Was excellent. I would love to work with Paul Thomas Anderson, um, on something someday. It'll be a dream. I thought that, uh, Timothy Chalamet was-

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  Great.

• 1:03:19Speaker 03

  Transcendent.

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:20Speaker 03

  Marty Supreme. Well, just an absolutely magnificent performance and, and so entertaining, but also nuanced and just great. I thought he was really good. And then, what else have I seen that I really loved?

• 1:03:34Speaker 01

  Have you seen Train Dreams?

• 1:03:35Speaker 03

  I have not seen that yet.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  You have to watch Train Dreams.

• 1:03:40Speaker 03

  Is it really emotional? Am I gonna like cry and stuff?

• 1:03:43Speaker 01

  Well, have you seen Hamlet?

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  I have not seen that either.

• 1:03:45Speaker 01

  Okay. Cause I was about to say it's less emotional than Hamlet, but it's pretty emotional. It's just, oh, you would love it. It's so good. It's really so good.

• 1:03:53Speaker 03

  I just know that like, you know, I've been, I've been traveling a lot this, this month. It was on like three fourteen plus hour flights. And so I'd like had a lot of things I needed to watch. But when you're like away from your family and you're on a plane by yourself, it's like, you just end up getting so depressed if you watch a really sad movie. So I have to like space it out.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  What's the worst travel day you've ever had?

• 1:04:13Speaker 03

  Well, I've done now three trips from the US or Canada to India.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  And how long is that flight?

• 1:04:21Speaker 03

  Three trips where I went and was on the ground for less than 12 hours and flew back. So in the course of seventy-two hours, I was on the plane in transit for longer than I was like on the ground. It was rough.

• 1:04:37Speaker 01

  But like, what's a travel day that you're like?

• 1:04:41Speaker 03

  I'm really curious to know what, what-

• 1:04:42Speaker 01

  Like, I'm about to blow this bitch up.

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  Like where you're like, I am going to genuinely crash out. Like everything is going wrong. Like-

• 1:04:53Speaker 03

  I, I, yeah, I have an answer to that. So I got on a plane, um- I was flying from LA to Texas. Something had just happened that had me really bummed out.

• 1:05:04Speaker 03

  I can't remember exactly what the thing was, so apparently it wasn't that big a deal. But I was really bummed out and I was traveling by myself. I was like seventeen or eighteen. Which is not something I often did, because we, you know.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:05:15Speaker 03

  Most times we'd have like. Somebody travel with us for, for, you know, security or assistance, something like that. And.

• 1:05:23Speaker 03

  I was just by myself. So I get on the plane. I'm already like bummed. I order a coffee and I go up to his bathroom. And. Mind you, I'm wearing white pants on the plane, which is like a first mistake.

• 1:05:35Speaker 01

  So random.

• 1:05:35Speaker 03

  Come back to the bathroom, the coffee's there. And as I'm sitting down. I like, my jacket must have hit it or something. And it fell into my seat.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  The coffee?

• 1:05:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, it fell into my seat and it was. It was, I was already in motion, I was like here, sitting down and it went ahead, so then it was just. In my, like. On my butt, like soggy butt. From this fucking coffee. And it was hot, the coffee was hot. And I was just like. Already so bummed and I remember just looking at the person next to me. And they had this look of like. So sorry, like it was like genuinely like, oh. And I just started crying.

• 1:06:10Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:06:11Speaker 03

  I just was like. Just so.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  Were they comforting?

• 1:06:15Speaker 03

  Sobbing and they like put their hand on my back and I'm just like. It was really funny. Now, I mean, it's funny now, but I was so angry and the flight was. Super turbulent, I'm not good with turbulence.

• 1:06:24Speaker 01

  Oh, I love turbulence.

• 1:06:25Speaker 03

  You love turb- why?

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  It's like you're like, like a roller coaster, like rocking asleep.

• 1:06:29Speaker 03

  See, my daughter, she's four, she is the same way and I think it's amazing because.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  When's her birthday?

• 1:06:34Speaker 03

  Uh, just passed, January fifteenth.

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  Oh, Capricorn.

• 1:06:37Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, she loves turbulence, she puts her hands up like this and she thinks it's a ride.

• 1:06:41Speaker 01

  Yes, it is a ride.

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  Stresses me out.

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  It is a ride.

• 1:06:45Speaker 03

  But, yeah.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  I was about to say, what's the worst that could happen, but a plane crash, you know?

• 1:06:49Speaker 03

  We, I think we know, yeah.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  Are you ever scared of plane crashes? Actually, Glenn Powell once told me a story, you guys, you guys were. Flying and you had to land and the pilot came out and was like. We literally almost just like seriously died.

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  It was super hot in the cabin and we were sitting on the tarmac for a while, it was the middle of summer. And we basically took off and I could tell right away something was off because it we were not going fast enough. And I was like, what is what is going on? So someone went up to check and the pilots were like just waving him back to his seat and he came back and he was scared shitless and basically one of there's two uh power sources on on a plane and and that's basically every plane is what I've been told and uh one of them failed and the other then failed. So they were

• 1:07:42Speaker 03

  they were pulling the whatever it's called, the steering wheel, I guess, back to to keep the plane in the air because we're just gliding back basically to the to the airport, but we were not far enough away that we could we we could get back and we were all thankfully safely on the ground, but the pilots were were visibly shaken up and it was actually like pretty frightening.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm so sorry.

• 1:08:04Speaker 03

  Actually, yeah, it was fucking terrifying.

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  It's so scary.

• 1:08:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  On the contrary, do you guys still make your popcorn?

• 1:08:13Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  It is delicious.

• 1:08:15Speaker 03

  I'm glad you like it. Rob's Backstage Popcorn, shout out.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  Yes, it is amazing. Pop, you have this popcorn? They served it on the flight to the Jonas Brothers concert in Vegas that I went to with Larry and I thought, this is just delicious.

• 1:08:28Speaker 03

  It's so good.

• 1:08:28Speaker 01

  It is so, so good.

• 1:08:30Speaker 03

  And we're building out more backstage brand stuff, so there'll be there'll be there'll be more. We love snacks.

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  I love snacks.

• 1:08:38Speaker 03

  What's your favorite snack?

• 1:08:41Speaker 03

  Not olives.

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  Popcorn.

• 1:08:42Speaker 03

  I've never really been a Pirates booty fan, but

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  Your daughter?

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  Daughter loves it and so I started eating it and I'm like, this is great.

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  Have you ever had the veggie one? Fire.

• 1:08:53Speaker 03

  I like veggie sticks. Those are

• 1:08:56Speaker 01

  I'm so sorry.

• 1:08:57Speaker 03

  You don't like those? You didn't know the ones I'm talking about? They're like a

• 1:09:00Speaker 01

  Of cour- uh, yes.

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. The ranch flavor is really good. Zesty Ranch. It's called Zesty Ranch. It's so good.

• 1:09:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just It's like the pea snaps. You know, the little pea snaps? Hate those.

• 1:09:14Speaker 03

  Those can

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:15Speaker 03

  No disrespect. You've earned your place on the shelf.

• 1:09:18Speaker 01

  And I hate sun chips.

• 1:09:20Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, hey.

• 1:09:22Speaker 03

  That's interesting. I, I would have thought you would like a sun chip.

• 1:09:26Speaker 01

  Why would you think that?

• 1:09:27Speaker 03

  Because it's, it's, they're yummy and you like other things that taste like that.

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  Like what?

• 1:09:32Speaker 03

  Like popcorn can taste like that.

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  No, popcorn does not taste like sun chips.

• 1:09:36Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:09:37Speaker 01

  Sorry, I feel like I'm yelling at you, I'm sorry.

• 1:09:39Speaker 03

  I'm having a great time.

• 1:09:40Speaker 01

  Well, Nick, what are you therapist about today?

• 1:09:43Speaker 03

  I have zit.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  Where?

• 1:09:45Speaker 03

  Right here.

• 1:09:46Speaker 01

  Oh my god, I thought that was a mole.

• 1:09:47Speaker 03

  That's a zit. It's so annoying. It's like, it's like a pressure on there too, so.

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  Ooh, it hurts. Are you, are you, are you gonna pop it?

• 1:09:55Speaker 03

  I, I like to pop zits.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  Well, you have great skin.

• 1:09:58Speaker 03

  I, thank you. So do you.

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:10:02Speaker 03

  I can tell you've been drinking a lot of water.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:10:04Speaker 03

  Everyone keeps telling you that, right?

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  Everyone. Wait, but I really thought that was a mole, so shout out your hair and makeup because it looks, I'd never thought for a second that it was a zit.

• 1:10:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a zit and it's so annoying. That's what I'm pissed about today.

• 1:10:17Speaker 01

  Okay, well, I'm pissed about, there's this show I wanna watch and I'm so behind and it's like.

• 1:10:22Speaker 03

  The show?

• 1:10:23Speaker 01

  The Traitors and I really wanna watch it, but I'm so behind, so I have to watch all, I have to catch up. And catching up on a show that's like live on air is just so annoying.

• 1:10:33Speaker 03

  It's frustrating.

• 1:10:34Speaker 01

  It's so hard to do. It's so frustrating. The most intense time I ever had to do that was, did you ever watch Scandal?

• 1:10:39Speaker 03

  No, I, I.

• 1:10:41Speaker 01

  Add to list.

• 1:10:42Speaker 03

  But I get it.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  Add to, add to list.

• 1:10:44Speaker 03

  So what do you watch? What do we, yeah, what do we watch?

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  What do you watch?

• 1:10:47Speaker 03

  I watched, uh, Squid Games, which I love.

• 1:10:50Speaker 01

  I never finished it out.

• 1:10:52Speaker 03

  So good.

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  Did you finish it?

• 1:10:53Speaker 03

  I did.

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  How was the ending?

• 1:10:56Speaker 03

  Um, satisfying.

• 1:10:57Speaker 01

  Satisfying?

• 1:10:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. I don't wanna give anything away to people watching. Um, but it was, it was satisfying. I, I've also started watching Pluribus.

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  Okay, me too. I, I haven't finished it yet, but I love Vince Gilligan. Uh, Gallagher, Gilligan, whatever.

• 1:11:11Speaker 03

  Gilligan.

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  Gilligan? Okay, cool. I love him, cuz I love Breaking Bad. Have you seen Breaking Bad?

• 1:11:16Speaker 03

  I have started Breaking Bad twice and.

• 1:11:20Speaker 01

  Okay, so let me tell you why it's so good. Because back in the day, before people would like cancel shows after one season, they used to like let them breathe. And like Breaking Bad gets really, really, really, really, really good in season three.

• 1:11:33Speaker 03

  Isn't that a, it's just tough to commit though.

• 1:11:35Speaker 01

  No, no, it's so worth it. It's so worth it.

• 1:11:38Speaker 03

  Two seasons from now, it's gonna be a ma- it's kinda like.

• 1:11:40Speaker 01

  A similar show is.

• 1:11:42Speaker 03

  I know Breaking Bad's the best show ever made, so I've, I'm, I'm giving it the perspective it deserves. I'm just saying, the concept of like, oh, just, because even someone else said something to me recently, it was Kevin Jonas. He's like, oh, you just have to stick with it. There's like a, you know, it dips for like three, four episodes and then it's, I'm like, but these are hours of my life. I'm not just gonna commit to it, like I could be.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  You have to, it's so worth it. There are these moments that you're just, it feels like God is coming down and holding you.

• 1:12:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:08Speaker 01

  And being like, isn't this show so good? Like.

• 1:12:12Speaker 03

  But I, I've been recently, more and more, I've just been turning shit off.

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  Me too!

• 1:12:18Speaker 03

  If I get 20 minutes in.

• 1:12:19Speaker 01

  Wow, really loud. Sorry.

• 1:12:21Speaker 03

  It's the voice of God. If I get 20 minutes in and it doesn't hook me, I, I used to stick with it and like watch the first, the whole thing. Now I was like, nah, I got other options.

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  Okay. Can I, can I give you a good rec?

• 1:12:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:35Speaker 01

  Industry.

• 1:12:36Speaker 03

  I watched the first season of Industry. I need to watch the next two, but.

• 1:12:40Speaker 01

  Similar to Breaking Bad, it only gets better. It only gets season three, I mean.

• 1:12:46Speaker 03

  I have actually a really fond memory of Industry because I, we were, my wife and I were in our house and power went out in our neighborhood. And we did like a date night, candlelit at our home with the iPad on, watching Industry and it was like, so sweet.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  So sweet. How'd you guys meet?

• 1:13:03Speaker 03

  We met on Twitter.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:13:05Speaker 03

  So I was driving down Sunset Boulevard and I saw the poster for Quantico. She was on it and I was like, wow, she's gorgeous. A mutual friend of ours was like, you guys should meet. You really hit it off. And I was like, connect us. And, um, he, he never did actually, but, uh, it was enough of an indication for me to know, okay, so the, maybe the door's open there because she seemed to be into the idea as well. Anyway, I went on Twitter and saw that she followed me.

• 1:13:30Speaker 01

  Best feeling ever.

• 1:13:32Speaker 03

  I was pumped and then I direct messaged her. She got back to me shortly thereafter. And we were just friends for like a year and a half, two years.

• 1:13:43Speaker 01

  How do you have the patience?

• 1:13:45Speaker 03

  So I reached out and was like, hey, can we give this a real go? And go on a date, you know. And she was like, yeah, I'll be in, um, I'll be in LA next week and, and we had, we'd already gone to the Met Gala. Together, basically, because we were both dressed by Ralph Lauren. Shout out Ralph Lauren.

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  Shout out Sydney?

• 1:14:06Speaker 03

  Uh, Sydney, yeah. Sydney special. So we go on this date, we go to, uh, I set up like, hey, let's go see, um, the, the live, uh, version of Beauty and the Beast at the Hollywood Bowl, which was a fun first date idea. I was like, but let's bring some friends. So there's like less pressure. So it was like a group.

• 1:14:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:14:26Speaker 03

  Hang in case like she, it wasn't the vibe.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  Ah, respectful.

• 1:14:30Speaker 03

  Um, and so she brought her best friend. I brought Kevin and another couple friend of ours, Greg and Paris. And we had like the absolute best time at the show. We went for drinks somewhere after and Joe knew I was really excited about the state. So he sent us shots of milk from wherever he was in the world, which was hilarious.

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  Shots of milk? Is that like an inside joke?

• 1:14:51Speaker 03

  It's like, I don't know. I just thought it would be funny. And it kinda was. Um, yeah. And then Kevin was being a wingman.

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  Good for Kevin.

• 1:15:00Speaker 03

  But he was, um, yeah, he was, I was overly hyping me up though in front of her. She's like, oh, he's like, you know, someone bring up like baseball or something. Kevin would be like, oh, Nick could have gone pro. He could have been a pro baseball player. It was the most Jersey thing ever. And it was very sweet. She obviously was like, your brother's really like gassing you up. It's like, he wants this to go well. And then it did.

• 1:15:22Speaker 01

  And now you're married.

• 1:15:23Speaker 03

  We French kissed that night.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  Oh!

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  Chills. Wait, so are you from North, South or Central Jersey?

• 1:15:31Speaker 03

  North Jersey.

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  Is that near Philly?

• 1:15:35Speaker 03

  Sorry, what were you counting?

• 1:15:36Speaker 01

  Like, I was just maneuvering.

• 1:15:40Speaker 03

  It's, it's not near, um.

• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  Is North near New York?

• 1:15:44Speaker 03

  Yes, it was 45 minutes from the city.

• 1:15:46Speaker 01

  Oh, okay, okay. We have a friend that lives in South Jersey.

• 1:15:48Speaker 03

  South Jersey is like a different.

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, you guys call.

• 1:15:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, the pork roll, Taylor ham.

• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  Tina ham?

• 1:15:56Speaker 03

  Taylor ham.

• 1:15:56Speaker 01

  Taylor ham. What do you guys call it? Taylor ham?

• 1:15:59Speaker 03

  I call it Taylor ham.

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:16:01Speaker 03

  Pork roll sounds crazy to me.

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  Pork roll.

• 1:16:05Speaker 03

  It's like, but people are really passionate about this argument and it's a whole thing. It like divides the state.

• 1:16:11Speaker 01

  It really does. Like, people are really insane about it.

• 1:16:14Speaker 03

  They're really insane about it.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  Like, really and truly.

• 1:16:16Speaker 03

  Have you ever tried it?

• 1:16:17Speaker 01

  A pork roll?

• 1:16:18Speaker 03

  Taylor ham.

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  Oh, I guess I call it a pork roll. Um, yeah, I have. No, I haven't. I lied.

• 1:16:27Speaker 03

  It's like, um, it's, it's just like ham, but ultra-processed. Well, the weird part is, it's not, the pork roll or Taylor ham is just the, the meat.

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  Right, it's what goes in it that matters.

• 1:16:41Speaker 03

  It's delicious and it's got so much salt in it. It's just incredible. Like, on an egg sandwich. Taylor ham, egg and cheese, what you say?

• 1:16:49Speaker 01

  Oh, I would get a bacon, egg and cheese in the morning.

• 1:16:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it's just Taylor ham. It's the same thing.

• 1:16:54Speaker 01

  Same, same idea.

• 1:16:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:55Speaker 01

  Okay, should we get into the tell me what's wrongs?

• 1:16:57Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  Do you know what those are?

• 1:16:59Speaker 03

  I think so.

• 1:17:00Speaker 01

  It's like, where people write in and we give advice.

• 1:17:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:17:04Speaker 01

  Okay, do you care if I go pee because I have a really small bladder?

• 1:17:06Speaker 03

  I don't care at all.

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm gonna go pee now.

• 1:17:08Speaker 03

  Do your thing.

• 1:17:09Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  I've been with my boyfriend for over three years now and he hates PDA, but I really don't. He won't kiss me or even hold my hand in public unless he's drunk. Um, okay. Even that, it's not for long. It makes me feel like he's embarrassed being with me. I'm his first boyfriend as he's ever only dated, oh, as he has only ever dated girls in the past. What do I do, girl? Girl? I can, I can take this one.

• 1:17:36Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  You can't. It's time to break up. It's internalized homophobia. You don't think it's breakup? No, please, speak. You're, she's a gay man trapped in a woman's body.

• 1:17:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's his new thing.

• 1:17:50Speaker 05

  I don't know if breaking up is, I think it's about the conversation with them. It's like, I understand where you're coming from. You know, like, I don't think you just break up. Like, if it is internalized homophobia and maybe even like some insecurity, I think they, they should work, talk and work through it.

• 1:18:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I

• 1:18:09Speaker 05

  You know what I mean?

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, totally. I love PDA. Because it makes me so like, I can't, I wouldn't be able to do that. Do you like PDA?

• 1:18:18Speaker 03

  Uh, I do, yeah. I mean, I don't know, it's kind of weird.

• 1:18:24Speaker 03

  I like

• 1:18:26Speaker 03

  Being affectionate with my wife, you know, but, but.

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  You ever think about writing a book?

• 1:18:32Speaker 03

  I would love to.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  You have a way with words. Sorry, continue.

• 1:18:35Speaker 03

  I, I co-sign these takes.

• 1:18:37Speaker 01

  Which one?

• 1:18:38Speaker 03

  Well, you're saying the same thing, right?

• 1:18:40Speaker 01

  I said breakup, she says.

• 1:18:41Speaker 03

  Conversation first, but it probably leads to a breakup.

• 1:18:44Speaker 01

  I hate conversations.

• 1:18:45Speaker 03

  And internal homophobia.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  In general, I mean, like, I hate, like, intense conversations.

• 1:18:50Speaker 03

  Homophobia has no place anywhere, so, no.

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  No, it does not.

• 1:18:54Speaker 03

  Zero. See you.

• 1:18:56Speaker 01

  Have you ever seen Hilary Duff's, "Hey, you can't say that."

• 1:18:59Speaker 03

  Iconic.

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  Iconic, iconic. "My friend is always in a bad mood because she's always hungover and sick, so she's an alcoholic. In return, she makes my life miserable, which sucks, and I kind of want to give it back to her by getting her fired from her job, by telling upper management that she comes in drunk sometimes. Also, maybe telling her boyfriend that she actually hates him, so what the fuck is wrong with you?

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  This would be my way of dumping her as a friend." Um, okay. "Oh, also, she is my manager too, and then I would get to just quit after. Is this insane? I obsessed, by the way, let me just say something really quickly, obsessed with the context given, because I was so confused. So let me, did, did you understand that, or do you need me to paint the picture?

• 1:19:43Speaker 03

  I need the picture painted just a little bit.

• 1:19:45Speaker 01

  This girl and her best friend work at the same job, right?

• 1:19:49Speaker 03

  And the best friend is the manager.

• 1:19:50Speaker 01

  The best friend is the manager.

• 1:19:51Speaker 03

  The alcoholic one.

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  The alcoholic one, and so she wants to tell upper management that she's a mess. So, at the end of the day, it just sounds like she's not your friend.

• 1:19:58Speaker 03

  It sounds really messy and like, like, there's already, she wants, she wants revenge. She was, you know what I mean? But I was, I'm curious, does she want that job? Is that the hidden motive behind all this?

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  Well, it could be.

• 1:20:13Speaker 03

  She wants to get her fired so she can slip in there and be the manager?

• 1:20:16Speaker 01

  But what would you, like, what would you do? This is, oh my god, like, what would you, I don't know what I would do. I wouldn't tell upper management, that is so sneaky.

• 1:20:23Speaker 03

  I think.

• 1:20:24Speaker 01

  And bad karma, too.

• 1:20:26Speaker 03

  I think it's, it's bad, it's bad news all, all around. I think you probably.

• 1:20:32Speaker 03

  Probably just need to have a conversation like, hey, your behavior is crazy. Chill the fuck out, or I'm gonna go tell upper management that you've been drinking the job.

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  A threat?

• 1:20:44Speaker 03

  But it doesn't sound like there's any HR department at this place, cuz she's just about to go nuts.

• 1:20:48Speaker 01

  Right, she could anonymously report if there was.

• 1:20:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, or maybe there is an HR and then that's the best path.

• 1:20:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:54Speaker 03

  Maybe, I don't know.

• 1:20:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. My roommate talks to her hamster like it's a human. I thought this was kinda cute at first, but she has full conversations with it and laughs at what the hamster, and laughs at what the hamster quote says. It's starting to freak me out a little, actually a lot, and I'm wondering if I need to talk to her or something, or if I should just let it be. Like, is this a bit or is she crazy? I just like, let go of my god. If it makes her happy.

• 1:21:19Speaker 03

  If it makes her happy, but it would, it would concern me to, to-

• 1:21:23Speaker 01

  Live with someone.

• 1:21:24Speaker 03

  Live with someone who you thought might be a complete, like, psycho person. I don't say psychopath, cuz that gives it like a distinct thing and it sounds-

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  Were you scared of getting cancelled?

• 1:21:34Speaker 03

  Cancelable?

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  For getting psychopath?

• 1:21:36Speaker 03

  But, it's, it's, it sounds like that.

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  Um, okay, so what would I prescribe for that? What's the thing where they talk to animals? Babe?

• 1:21:45Speaker 03

  What was that, what was that? The Eddie Murphy movie?

• 1:21:47Speaker 01

  Doolittle?

• 1:21:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:48Speaker 01

  Doolittle. I prescribe Doolittle.

• 1:21:50Speaker 03

  Detective Doolittle?

• 1:21:50Speaker 01

  Detective Doolittle.

• 1:21:51Speaker 03

  I loved that movie.

• 1:21:52Speaker 01

  My mother gets really flirty with my friends whenever she's had some wine and we're over visiting. Sometimes it's funny, but sometimes she goes a little too far into the quote bit, saying things like, "You're exactly the type I would have gone after in college, etc., as a joke." But I don't know if it's a joke, and it's so embarrassing. She just brushes it off by saying, "I'm sensitive every time I bring it up, so what do I do?" Well, your mom is gaslighting you, my dear.

• 1:22:17Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:22:18Speaker 03

  I can need some more context on this one, too.

• 1:22:19Speaker 01

  I would just stop bringing my friends over and be like, and if she's like, "Why'd you stop bringing your friends over?" It's because like, you're weird, and they think you're weird too. That's the always way to get someone. They also think it, like, that's what you have to say. They think so too, because it's huge. It's like, well, they don't think that. No, everyone's been talking about it actually, and they all think that. And then she'll be like, so embarrassed, and be like, "Oh my god, really? They think that?" Because they're the ones she's trying to impress. So you have to be like, "They all think that." That's why they're not coming over anymore.

• 1:22:46Speaker 03

  I had someone say it to me one time, like, uh, and- You know, everyone, I'm like, hold up, I just talked to everybody. Nobody brought that, I, I didn't.

• 1:22:55Speaker 01

  Isn't it the most disorienting feeling?

• 1:22:57Speaker 03

  But I had, I, I wasn't even slightly convinced. I was like, actually, I just had a little quorum with everyone, talked about this, and nobody said that.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  You're such a Virgo.

• 1:23:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:08Speaker 01

  You are such a Virgo, that is the most Virgo thing ever.

• 1:23:11Speaker 03

  Like, they wouldn't, they wouldn't say it to your face, I'm like, but they would.

• 1:23:14Speaker 01

  But would they?

• 1:23:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:16Speaker 01

  All my friends are hooking up with my twin brother, oh, that's weird. One of my best friends was, who was staying with me, literally left my room while I was asleep and slept with him. I'm a very non-confrontational person, but it's been like six of my closest friends, oh my god, your brother must be so hot. Six of my closest friends who have hooked up with him. How do I get them to stop? Please help, sending love from South Africa. It is so funny that this is, person is from South Africa, because I had to do a South African accent in an audition I filmed right before this.

• 1:23:44Speaker 03

  How'd it go?

• 1:23:45Speaker 01

  Horribly.

• 1:23:46Speaker 03

  It's a tough accent.

• 1:23:48Speaker 01

  Uh, man, he said, you sound southern. It was really, really.

• 1:23:51Speaker 03

  I'm sorry to hear that.

• 1:23:52Speaker 01

  It was really, it was rough.

• 1:23:53Speaker 03

  Tough auditions are, are.

• 1:23:55Speaker 01

  But it was a self-tape, so like, you know.

• 1:23:57Speaker 03

  Still.

• 1:23:58Speaker 01

  But, okay, so how, I would say to my friends, like, stop, but I don't know, honestly.

• 1:24:04Speaker 03

  That's a tough one, it sounds, it sounds like your friends might be more into.

• 1:24:11Speaker 01

  They're all hanging out with you for your brother. Oh, girl.

• 1:24:14Speaker 03

  That's tough. New friends, I guess. But then, then, but then you have the threat.

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  Always room for new friends.

• 1:24:19Speaker 03

  The threat of like.

• 1:24:20Speaker 01

  My brother's hot.

• 1:24:21Speaker 03

  That's a tricky thing.

• 1:24:22Speaker 01

  Ooh, there's a movie like this. Clueless? Yeah, I prescribed Clueless.

• 1:24:27Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:24:28Speaker 01

  I got caught red-handed in a very large web of lies, just so I didn't have to hang out with this girl who likes me. And by the way, save it with the judgy stuff. Damn, clocked me.

• 1:24:40Speaker 01

  Because I'm just not like that. I had told this girl I couldn't hang out because I was sick. Later that night, I went to the mall to go see a movie. And when I walked into the theater, she's literally sitting there and sees me. Oh, I left and she followed me and confronted me in the lobby. Good for her. I told her I lied because I like to go to the movies alone. IDK, some bullshit. That didn't do well either because I literally went to the movies with her and her friends the other week. Anyways, how the fuck do I stop white lying? Will you just stop?

• 1:25:11Speaker 03

  You just stop.

• 1:25:12Speaker 01

  But like honestly, like, that's fine. You didn't want to hang out with her, what are you supposed to do? Clearly, you were scared to tell her the truth that you didn't want to hang out with her. So that's not your friend. I tell my friends all the time, I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to. Peyton, my best friend Peyton, was like, let's get couples massages on Valentine's Day before we go out to dinner and drink. And I was like, I don't think I want to do that anymore. So I said, I don't want to do that anymore, it's gonna make me tired.

• 1:25:35Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm, um, they said what?

• 1:25:37Speaker 01

  She said, you're bizarre.

• 1:25:39Speaker 03

  Sorry, that's such a funny way to put that.

• 1:25:41Speaker 01

  You're unwell.

• 1:25:42Speaker 03

  You're unwell. Well, it's totally, here's, I, I have a potentially controversial hot take.

• 1:25:49Speaker 01

  Tell me.

• 1:25:50Speaker 03

  It's, should be totally acceptable to be like, I like you, you're my friend, I don't want to hang out tonight.

• 1:25:58Speaker 01

  Well, duh.

• 1:25:58Speaker 03

  I just don't want, it doesn't have to be like, I have this other thing I'm doing.

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:26:02Speaker 03

  Like, you don't have to, right. So you just be like, hey, let's, we can, let's be friends, like, nothing changes. However, tonight in particular, or tomorrow, I don't really want to do that thing. I want to sit on my couch or do something else.

• 1:26:14Speaker 01

  But I would say stop white lying now because it gets, it gets to a point where they become bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. And then you don't know how to stop, it's kind of like kleptomania.

• 1:26:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:22Speaker 01

  I can't lie because of my OCD, I have to tell you when I'm lying. I can't, I literally can't do it.

• 1:26:28Speaker 03

  It's good, that's good, though.

• 1:26:29Speaker 01

  It is, but it's also exhausting because sometimes I really would like to lie. And just be like, I'm sick, but I can't say I'm sick because then I'll get sick.

• 1:26:34Speaker 03

  There's a movie that I'll prescribe to you.

• 1:26:37Speaker 01

  Tell me.

• 1:26:38Speaker 03

  It's called The Invention of Lying. You ever seen it?

• 1:26:40Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:26:41Speaker 03

  It's a Ricky Gervais movie, and I've always thought it would be a great musical.

• 1:26:43Speaker 01

  Well, hello, Mr. Broadway.

• 1:26:45Speaker 03

  So if someone's watched this that has the rights to it, let me know. But it's this whole idea that he's the first person who can lie in a world where everyone just says the truth.

• 1:26:54Speaker 01

  Oh, love that. Ooh, that would make a great musical.

• 1:26:58Speaker 03

  It's so good.

• 1:26:59Speaker 01

  You know what you should do before this episode drops? You should inquire about the rights.

• 1:27:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, I will.

• 1:27:03Speaker 01

  Just to make sure, because like, you know, that is like a really good idea.

• 1:27:06Speaker 03

  What a crazy story of like, three years from now, we're at the Broadway premiere.

• 1:27:10Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:27:10Speaker 03

  You're there.

• 1:27:12Speaker 01

  In it?

• 1:27:12Speaker 03

  In the show.

• 1:27:13Speaker 01

  Okay, period. Do you have any advice for me on Broadway? Because I'm like so stressed out, Loki.

• 1:27:18Speaker 03

  You're gonna crush it. I mean, you have all the tools you need to do a great job on Broadway.

• 1:27:26Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:27:28Speaker 03

  The only advice I would give you is just to, and this is gonna sound so cliche, but actually take some time to enjoy it. It's like a crazy schedule, eight shows a week.

• 1:27:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:42Speaker 03

  And it's a lot of work.

• 1:27:44Speaker 01

  I'm stressed.

• 1:27:45Speaker 03

  But it's so rewarding, and you like, it's really important to like, pat yourself on the back and take a second in between shows some days just to like, feel it, because it's a pretty magical thing.

• 1:27:55Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm really excited. Will you come see the show if you're in New York?

• 1:27:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'd love to.

• 1:27:59Speaker 01

  Are you gonna be in New York like within the next month at all or no?

• 1:28:01Speaker 03

  I'm sure I will be. I don't have plans right this second to be in New York, but I'm always there, so.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  You let me know.

• 1:28:09Speaker 03

  I'll let you know, and I'll hopefully, you'll sign my playbill and I'll see you after the show.

• 1:28:14Speaker 01

  I'm really upset with concert etiquette these days, and last night it got out of hand. I was in the pit and I li- and I li- and I literally couldn't see anything because I'm sure and everyone is filming the stage. Later in the evening, the artist literally pointed my sign out and laughed at it, only for a total stranger next to me to take credit for it. Oh. Live music is so incredible, and I know you feel the same, so what in the world can I do to remedy this? I don't know. It's hard because in this day and age, if you confront someone, like they could always be like filming you.

• 1:28:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:46Speaker 01

  Being like, oh na na na. And then you're like, oh na na na. Like, you know what I mean? And so it's like so scared to, it's like a scary environment to speak your mind. But um, I don't know. I don't know if there's an answer for that. I think we might just be fucked.

• 1:28:58Speaker 03

  I fear that we're fucked as well.

• 1:29:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:29:00Speaker 03

  But concert etiquette is important. And if, if you are on the shorter side, let's get some platform heels or something and get some high lift shoes and that's gonna help.

• 1:29:14Speaker 01

  I'm so short.

• 1:29:15Speaker 03

  Sightline. Some, some, you know, baby stilts.

• 1:29:20Speaker 01

  How tall are you?

• 1:29:21Speaker 03

  Five eight.

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:29:24Speaker 03

  But, but not quite.

• 1:29:25Speaker 01

  You seem taller.

• 1:29:27Speaker 03

  No way.

• 1:29:28Speaker 01

  Yes, I'm five three and I seem shorter.

• 1:29:31Speaker 03

  You seem taller than five three.

• 1:29:33Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:29:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:34Speaker 01

  How tall, like, would you guess?

• 1:29:37Speaker 03

  Like five, six or seven.

• 1:29:38Speaker 01

  Shut up. No, Nick. Okay, stop. Shut up. Like, I just got out of my first serious relationship of seven years. I'm post grad now and I've realized I don't know how to be single. I have the perfect prescription for this. Like, at all. My last few years of high school and the eternity of, and the entirety of college was spent all with the same guy. I don't wanna talk about the breakup, but what is a single girl in New York supposed to do? I don't even know how to talk to people anymore, much less flirt. Help, watch How to Be Single with Dakota Johnson.

• 1:30:05Speaker 03

  How to be single?

• 1:30:05Speaker 01

  That's literally the premise of How to Be Single with Dakota Johnson.

• 1:30:08Speaker 03

  When did that come out?

• 1:30:08Speaker 01

  2015.

• 1:30:09Speaker 03

  I'll check it out.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  I totally just like made up a date. That sounded right. But do you know the clip where she's like, "Home. I'm going home."

• 1:30:16Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've seen that.

• 1:30:17Speaker 01

  That's from that.

• 1:30:18Speaker 03

  Got it, got it.

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  "Hey Jake, an amazing guest."

• 1:30:20Speaker 03

  You?

• 1:30:21Speaker 01

  "My screen time is out of control. I delete apps like Instagram and TikTok to stay, TikTok to stay off of them. And at the end of the day, I've re-downloaded them. Oh, it's so bad. I'm just staying up late into the night scrolling. I know you love your phone, but what, but what do you do to not let it consume your entire life?"

• 1:30:38Speaker 03

  I, I've tried the, um, the like, thing where it limits your screen time.

• 1:30:45Speaker 01

  Doesn't work.

• 1:30:45Speaker 03

  It doesn't work. You just immediately X out of that. Like, I'll do it tomorrow. Um, the advice that I've been given by others, cause I've said the same thing, my screen time's out of control, is to leave your phone in another room when you sleep. Can't do it?

• 1:31:01Speaker 01

  No. So what I, my advice is to watch a television show and get invested into a television show, or read a book, or watch a movie. You know, like, obviously you like to be alone with your thoughts and that's why you like your phone. Right? You don't, you're making a face. You don't agree? Um, okay. So, um, I would start a TV show.

• 1:31:24Speaker 03

  Start a TV show?

• 1:31:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's how I get off my phone, specifically subtitled. Start Dark, so you can't go on your phone, or else you don't know what they're saying. And don't dub it, because that makes it worse. Have you ever seen Dark?

• 1:31:35Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:31:35Speaker 01

  The greatest show of all time.

• 1:31:37Speaker 03

  You ever seen Lupin? It's a French Netflix show?

• 1:31:39Speaker 01

  No, but I've heard of it. What's that about?

• 1:31:41Speaker 03

  Like, it's a, it's based on a, a, a book, a very famous French book series.

• 1:31:46Speaker 01

  Called?

• 1:31:46Speaker 03

  Lupin. And he's like a detective slash thief, whatever. It's so good.

• 1:31:53Speaker 03

  You must watch it.

• 1:31:53Speaker 01

  I'll watch it. Ever since being hired, I've been making an effort to be friends with my manager, but she's made it so hard with her attitude. But I always just gave her the benefit of the doubt. A couple of weeks ago, she fired the closest friend I work with, and ever since, it's been so awkward. Mind you, we're the same age, and it seems like she's just trying to get rid of me. She wasn't always like this, by the way, but last night, she just blamed her fuck-up on me to the big boss. Now I'm in trouble, what do I do? Quit, if you can. That sounds horrible, or tell on her.

• 1:32:19Speaker 03

  The same age details.

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's like, trying to like-

• 1:32:21Speaker 03

  Be better than, yeah, not a vibe.

• 1:32:23Speaker 01

  Hey Jake and guest, I'm 23 and wondering how does one get over the fear of being loved? And start to open up for a potential relationship? I'm a happy person, but feel so isolated from others, because I don't get dating. Like, it often seems embarrassing and like a waste of time, and I'd rather just stick to myself. However, I know I can't live like this forever, so what are some tips? I have none, so I'm just gonna, that's for you.

• 1:32:47Speaker 03

  It is a scary thing to open up and be vulnerable with, with people and to allow the possibility of heartbreak down the line, should it not work out? Yolo.

• 1:32:59Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:33:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, you only live once, and-

• 1:33:02Speaker 01

  Do you remember when that dropped?

• 1:33:04Speaker 03

  That was fire.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  The world shifted.

• 1:33:06Speaker 03

  It's kind of like Ed Hardy now, it's like ironic, like you could say it, and it's funny.

• 1:33:10Speaker 01

  But at the time?

• 1:33:11Speaker 03

  At the time, it was like for serious, it was very serious.

• 1:33:15Speaker 03

  But I, I do think that that's kind of true, though, it's like, you know, what's that famous quote? Is it better to-

• 1:33:21Speaker 01

  Not try.

• 1:33:23Speaker 03

  Never loved at all?

• 1:33:26Speaker 01

  That one. What's your favorite quote of all time?

• 1:33:29Speaker 03

  Um, favorite quote of all time. Well, it's from my favorite movie of all time. Uh, Good Will Hunting. Had to go see about a girl.

• 1:33:37Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:33:38Speaker 03

  Great line.

• 1:33:38Speaker 01

  What is it?

• 1:33:39Speaker 03

  So Robin Williams tells, uh, Matt Damon's character a story about how he didn't go to this baseball game with all his friends. And they, you know, it was a legendary game that he missed and all his friends were like upset with him for not going and then, uh, Matt Damon's basically like, "What did your friends say?"

• 1:33:59Speaker 03

  "Nothing." It's like, "What'd you tell him?" He's like, "Told him I had to go see about a girl." So later on in the movie, when Matt Damon does the same thing, takes that leap of faith and goes and chases after this girl. He leaves a note for his old friend.

• 1:34:13Speaker 01

  Oh my god. I don't think I've ever seen Good Will Hunting.

• 1:34:16Speaker 03

  Well, you just saw it. I just.

• 1:34:17Speaker 01

  I know. Wow, that's so beautiful.

• 1:34:19Speaker 03

  It's a great, great movie.

• 1:34:20Speaker 01

  I think my favorite quote of all time is the banana peel one. I have.

• 1:34:25Speaker 03

  Love that.

• 1:34:26Speaker 01

  Um, maybe the quote that Hannah says about, wait, what, do I have the favorite quote? Probably the Lena Dunham one. Anything you could have said to me, I've already said to myself 10 times in the past hour. Also, I don't even know if that's right, but also the entirety of the Taylor Swift song, "The Archer", that entire thing as a quote, I could have that tattooed all over my body. "All of my enemies started out friends. Help me hold on to you."

• 1:34:52Speaker 03

  That's nice.

• 1:34:53Speaker 01

  And that, that, uh, really does it for me. That was, that ended in the "Tell me what's wrongs."

• 1:34:59Speaker 03

  Well, that was fun.

• 1:35:00Speaker 01

  Did you have fun?

• 1:35:01Speaker 03

  I had a great time.

• 1:35:01Speaker 01

  I had a really good time with you.

• 1:35:03Speaker 03

  I'm glad to hear that.

• 1:35:05Speaker 01

  Did you have a good time?

• 1:35:06Speaker 03

  I had a great time with you.

• 1:35:07Speaker 01

  Okay, cool.

• 1:35:07Speaker 03

  It was super fun. Learned a lot.

• 1:35:09Speaker 01

  What'd you, oh.

• 1:35:13Speaker 01

  What did we learn today?

• 1:35:15Speaker 03

  I learned about, um, plotting against your manager.

• 1:35:19Speaker 03

  And that was, that was crazy, actually.

• 1:35:22Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:35:22Speaker 03

  Kind of wild. No, I, I learned a lot about you. I, I got to ask you a lot of questions as well, which was nice, which I, I hoped it would be conversation and, and less like an interview. So I'm glad it was, it was a nice conversation.

• 1:35:33Speaker 01

  Feel as though it was?

• 1:35:34Speaker 03

  I felt like we had a great conversation. I learned a lot about you.

• 1:35:37Speaker 01

  Okay, I learned a lot about you too, and I kind of want to like hang out now.

• 1:35:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, let's, let's go get Indian food.

• 1:35:43Speaker 01

  But should we? Would you?

• 1:35:44Speaker 03

  I have to go sign CDs.

• 1:35:46Speaker 01

  No, no, no, not right now, not totally. Like I meant like, you know, eventually.

• 1:35:49Speaker 03

  Sign CDs. I have to go handprint albums, actually, which is, in theory, was like a really fun idea, because there's a song called Handprints on the album.

• 1:35:55Speaker 01

  Ah, it's great.

• 1:35:56Speaker 03

  Thank you. I swear to God, like, doing this over and over again for like two or three hours, I'm getting carpal tunnel in my hand.

• 1:36:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:36:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:36:04Speaker 01

  Well, I learned about the Disney Channel games and Sunday.

• 1:36:06Speaker 03

  It on. Love it.

• 1:36:07Speaker 01

  And I also learned about the process behind your new album, Sunday Best, which is out now.

• 1:36:12Speaker 03

  Out now.

• 1:36:13Speaker 01

  And Nick.

• 1:36:15Speaker 03

  Break a leg on Broadway.

• 1:36:16Speaker 01

  Thank you. And thank you for coming on Therapuss.

• 1:36:18Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me. My pleasure.

• 1:37:07Speaker 00

  Somebody asked me how I define myself, and I didn't know what to say. Because how can someone be defined when we're always evolving? I've been so many things. I'll be so many others.

• 1:37:23Speaker 00

  Because identity is not a performance, it's an exploration. Never the same, but always myself. That's the paradox. Paradox Intense and the new Sweet Chemistry by Prada.