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0:00 Speaker 00 Ugh, I hate Mondays.
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0:42 Speaker 03 It's Industry Week, you guys, okay? I've been Industry Hive since 2020, when the show first came out. It is like my, and I will never let anyone forget it. But Louise, who refuses to be on camera, right?
0:57 Speaker 04 Hi.
0:58 Speaker 03 I'm not keeping her. She just said she would do it only if she's not on camera. But she is like the only other person besides our friend Rebecca that watches Industry the way we do.
1:07 Speaker 04 And it is the best show of all time.
1:09 Speaker 03 You think of all time? I think of all time.
1:11 Speaker 04 Of all time.
1:12 Speaker 03 What do you love about it?
1:13 Speaker 04 It just has everything that you could ever want in a show. It has romance, it has, ugh, it has sex, it has drugs, it has high anxiety, high pressure, like...
1:25 Speaker 03 I think what we love about it so much is that the character arcs
1:29 Speaker 04 Mmm.
1:30 Speaker 03 are so well thought out. It reminds me of Dark on Netflix, um, in the sense that like,
1:37 Speaker 03 I don't know how we got from point A to point B, but it was done correctly. Because you can look back at point A and understand how we got to point B.
1:46 Speaker 04 Yes.
1:47 Speaker 03 Do you know what I mean? It's like where Yaz is right now. You're like, if you saw Yaz season one, you'd be, and you, and I said to you, where she ends up in season four, you'd be like, in what fucking world?
1:59 Speaker 04 But also, like, yeah, it makes sense.
2:02 Speaker 03 It makes sense because they do it so well.
2:04 Speaker 04 Yes.
2:04 Speaker 03 Favorite episode? You know mine.
2:07 Speaker 04 My favorite episode is the finale of season three.
2:10 Speaker 03 Yep, I was about to, okay, I was gonna say a different one, that is my favorite, ugh.
2:14 Speaker 04 When her and Yaz and Rob, no spoilers, but...
2:18 Speaker 03 Oh, if you're gonna watch these two episodes, just prepare for spoilers, it's Industry Week, we will be talking everything.
2:23 Speaker 04 And also, why would you not watch the show?
2:27 Speaker 04 Like, but the end of that episode, I cry. I'm so overwhelmed with emotion.
2:32 Speaker 03 Because you understand why Yaz chose Kit Harrington.
2:37 Speaker 04 His day, yes.
2:38 Speaker 03 I really hope Rob comes back for season five.
2:40 Speaker 04 Me too.
2:41 Speaker 03 I lowkey think he will.
2:43 Speaker 04 I do too.
2:44 Speaker 03 I like totally get the vibe that he has to.
2:47 Speaker 04 And also one-
2:47 Speaker 03 In some, oh my god, when he enters the screen. Okay, go, go.
2:50 Speaker 04 One other thing about industry is obviously I have no idea what's actually going on.
2:54 Speaker 03 In finance terms?
2:55 Speaker 04 Yes.
2:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, obviously. But my holla says, she's like, I also have no idea.
2:58 Speaker 04 And it doesn't matter. That's why you know it's so good.
3:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, I have no idea. But I just know based on her delivery whether it's a good or a bad thing.
3:06 Speaker 04 Can we also talk about them as actresses? Like, seeing them in these episodes was so amazing. They're the coolest people in the world.
3:13 Speaker 03 They're the coolest people in the world. And then you meet them in person, you're like, wait, you're even cooler.
3:18 Speaker 03 This was a, it was a good week. Industry week. Yeah, industry is the best show on television, period. And I'm so jealous of those that get to binge it. Louise has seen it twice, the whole thing.
3:30 Speaker 04 I have seen the first three seasons three times.
3:34 Speaker 03 How? What? A third? My holla is a gift. Marisa is a gift. The show is a gift. If you have not watched Industry, please watch it and enjoy tonight's episode, as always. To leave a tell me what's wrong, go to passthatpuss.com, click tell me what's wrong, and leave a name and number if you're feeling fancy. Love you pussies. Realizing I haven't done that all season. All right, well, love you pussies. Enjoy the episode.
4:03 Speaker 03 Welcome to The Puss.
4:07 Speaker 04 Hi, so happy.
4:07 Speaker 03 I'm so happy you're here.
4:09 Speaker 04 Thank you so much for having me. This feels like a long time coming.
4:11 Speaker 03 It does. I mean, I remember running up to you at an event three years ago, saying that Industry was my favorite show.
4:17 Speaker 04 Yes, I remember. That was so sweet.
4:20 Speaker 03 It is my favorite show on television because it's objectively the best.
4:24 Speaker 04 Thank you.
4:24 Speaker 03 It really is.
4:26 Speaker 04 I agree.
4:26 Speaker 03 Like, it really is. Like, where else are you going to get characters like that?
4:31 Speaker 04 They're hard to come by, I will say, which has been like the greatest gift to be on a long-running show and to still say, eight years in, like, I'm so passionate about these-
4:42 Speaker 03 Eight years in?
4:42 Speaker 04 Yeah, we started shooting in 20-
4:46 Speaker 05 Nineteen.
4:46 Speaker 03 Holy shit.
4:48 Speaker 05 And when it's all said and done, it will be a decade.
4:50 Speaker 03 Wow. And it's so funny, I was watching, I was finishing season four the other day. It's, it's, it's one of those where I do have to binge it. Because I can't wait, week by week. I, I can't do it. It is too fucking stressful.
5:06 Speaker 05 I don't blame you. I think a lot of people feel that way. If I was just watching the show, I would feel the same way.
5:11 Speaker 03 Like, there is something ingrained in my memory is Harper chewing her gum.
5:18 Speaker 05 Oh yeah.
5:18 Speaker 03 Season one. And it just bleeding. I will never forget. I don't even, mind you, I don't even know what the fuck is going on.
5:27 Speaker 05 No, not the dry. What do you mean? I don't even know either.
5:29 Speaker 03 Yeah, I read that you were like, I ask if it's a good financial thing or a bad thing and I run with it.
5:34 Speaker 05 Hundred percent.
5:35 Speaker 03 I'm like, I have no idea what is going on financially, but I just know by the way you're playing it, if this is a risky situation or not.
5:43 Speaker 05 Hundred percent. I think that's my job. As long as people think that I know what I'm doing.
5:49 Speaker 03 I do.
5:50 Speaker 05 Okay, great.
5:51 Speaker 03 I do. I was like, oh, she doesn't know? Great. I don't know either.
5:55 Speaker 05 I'm giving everyone permission to be like, the finance, whatever. As long as you're sweating and crying and yearning and lusting, then we've done our job.
6:03 Speaker 03 You, it is really, you have done such an incredible job. I am low key like, I feel like a groupie of yours. I watch everything you're in. Bodies, bodies, bodies, leave the world behind, like.
6:15 Speaker 05 Thank you so much.
6:16 Speaker 03 You're incredible. And I'm just like so happy that you get to play these like incredibly complex characters.
6:22 Speaker 05 Thank you so much. I mean, that's like, that's my thing. I don't wanna do anything idealistic or simple or whatever. Like, I am deeply, deeply invested in humanity. I think people are so interesting. There's nothing more interesting to me than like a messed up person.
6:40 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:40 Speaker 05 I wanna know, I wanna know what makes them tick. I wanna know why they got messed up. I think probably on a level, cause I wanna know why I'm messed up. You know what I mean? It's as much about, it's really, really cathartic. There's also some stuff that like I get to do that I would never do in my real life. You know what I mean?
6:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:57 Speaker 05 I would never move the way Harper moved. She is cuckoo.
7:00 Speaker 03 She's cuckoo, but like. She's cuckoo.
7:04 Speaker 05 She's cuckoo.
7:06 Speaker 03 But you kind of see at the end of season four, I've, for the first time in the entire show, her morality like coming out.
7:15 Speaker 05 Yeah, totally.
7:16 Speaker 03 And being like, I mean, that fucking final shot of them being like, do you want one more? Is so fucking sickening, like, because you're just like, you know, you, because you knew like watching it, you're like, one more season, like one more round for Harper, like, let's fucking go.
7:32 Speaker 05 Ah, I'm so glad you're excited. When we were shooting that, actually, it was so funny because the first couple of takes, they were like, okay, my holla, we're just on your face. So you're gonna like, give her a look. And the first time I was like this.
7:46 Speaker 05 Like, you know, I want more. They were like, okay, maybe a little more subtle, like calm down a little bit. But I was like, I want more.
7:54 Speaker 03 Every season, I was talking to Marisa about this yesterday. I was saying, I feel like the official industry podcast at this point, like, but um, you, they, Mickey and Conrad, they planned it as if it's their last, right?
8:07 Speaker 05 Always. Yeah. I mean, I think that's smart because the truth of this whole business is you really don't know if you're gonna go again.
8:17 Speaker 03 Right.
8:17 Speaker 05 They might put you in contract for three, five, seven, but I think how it's been, at least my experience has been there, there, it's never guaranteed until they see some more scripts and they feel excited about where they want to go next, that they get a green light. And then we all are like, okay, we're going again. But it's really always a question mark. So I think writing as if it is the end is totally smart. And then it gives you a serious challenge to write yourself out of it. And I think Mickey and Conrad do a really, really good job of that every, every year.
8:48 Speaker 03 And they're ex bankers, right?
8:50 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah. Mm hmm. I think Mickey did like five years and Conrad did three.
8:55 Speaker 03 And then did they meet like via banking and then just like come up with this idea?
8:59 Speaker 05 They met in school. They met in, in university. Um, and I, they, they were, they were like a sort of creative pair for a long time. I think they were making shorts and they were shooting their own stuff. I think maybe Mickey got involved first and then, and then they both came up with the idea that inspired industry. They did something quite similar. And then they were like, oh, this is, this is the story we want to explore.
9:22 Speaker 03 Yasmin and Harper's relationship at this point is like. You're, I don't even know what the fuck is going on with them, but it's like, it's the only love, like they love each other down.
9:35 Speaker 05 Yeah.
9:36 Speaker 03 But like where, in an ideal world for you, like where do you want to see them end up?
9:43 Speaker 05 I think sentimentally, obviously, I would love if they were like, we are sisters and they got it together. Do you know what I mean? Like they, they have had so many like moments of vulnerability and connection, especially in this, like that, that bar scene in episode seven before the club.
10:03 Speaker 03 That's gonna go down in history.
10:05 Speaker 05 Thank you. I mean, it was a, that was sort of like an accumulative final straw. We have nothing else to do but absolutely be totally honest. No ulterior motive, nothing. It was pure, pure love.
10:21 Speaker 05 And then it sort of all goes to shit. But I think about them as sisters.
10:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
10:26 Speaker 05 I don't know any other relationship besides sibling one where you could really say like the meanest fucking thing. I wanna hurt you so badly. And the next week they're like, hey.
10:37 Speaker 03 They've hit each other before, right?
10:39 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah. We slapped the shit out of each other. Yeah, we did.
10:42 Speaker 03 You did. Like, and it, and it, it's gotten to the point where it's like, you're like, nothing is surprising with the two of them. Like, you're like, like, like, I can't even, I'm like trying to collect my thoughts, but there's like so many, like, you're basically, like, the entire season, for those that don't know, Harper was betting on the demise of Yasmin's husband's company. And when Yasmin finds out, like, you kind of do it and you kind of like, you kind of like make eye contact, like.
11:15 Speaker 05 I told you.
11:16 Speaker 03 The name of the game.
11:17 Speaker 05 Yeah. And even, I mean, I think another, like, Signal that there is real love there is for the first time Harper tries to warn her like she really tries to warn her.
11:27 Speaker 03 Yes, I was shocked when she did that. I was shocked. Like you brought her, you were like, look, I'm shorting the company. There's some shit going on. And I was like, oh, because in my mind, I'm like, that fucks with Harper's game because she can go and fucking fidget and figure things out and fuck up her short.
11:43 Speaker 05 Yeah.
11:43 Speaker 03 I'm like, sound like a finance guy, but like really that I was shocked when Harper did that.
11:48 Speaker 05 Yeah, I think this whole season has been a big, was a big challenge for Harper. Because where she's always been business minded, she truly does try to protect the people that she cares about. I mean, even, even deciding to work with Eric. I mean, that is risky. Like that is also another really sordid, complicated relationship built on a lot of trauma. And she goes into it with a, with a more open heart than you might expect of her.
12:23 Speaker 03 I was shocked. Harper shocked me.
12:26 Speaker 05 Harper, Harper shocked me too. I was, but this was like, sort of the only way we could go with her. Because we've seen her be a shark, steely, been conniving and completely self-serving in terms of business. And this was the first season where I thought, well, I mean, we could, we could do the same thing, but that's not true to human. Like we all evolve, we all grow.
12:49 Speaker 03 Right.
12:50 Speaker 05 And I think the question is, once you have everything you've always dreamed of that you've worked so hard towards, which is what she's got. She's her own boss. She has employees, she's got agencies, her reputation on the street as a market mover is solid. Now what? Like you can make money and make money and make money. Now what? And especially by the end of the season, she has all those things and she has, she has no one to share them with. She's lost her whole family, her brother, her mother, her dad has never been in the picture. She loses Eric. She loses Quabena and sort of then Sweet Pea, that relationship is tainted. And now she loses Yasmin, her last, last ship. That's it.
13:34 Speaker 05 She's totally alone in this world and she has all this money, but who cares? You know?
13:38 Speaker 03 Right. She's so lonely at the end of it.
13:40 Speaker 05 She's completely alone. And I love that you bring up that final image because I think that question, are you done? Have you had enough?
13:50 Speaker 05 She's really asking herself, have I? And she also happens to be on a PJ, so like, maybe she hasn't, honey.
13:59 Speaker 03 Maybe not.
13:59 Speaker 05 Maybe not.
14:00 Speaker 03 But that final episode was just like so gutting. What was your like big reaction when you like got the script?
14:08 Speaker 05 Well, look, I mean, it's it's not that it's not totally depressing, it's horrendous.
14:15 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:16 Speaker 05 It's also like you can see this, you can see the steps, you see exactly how we got here. Hurt people hurt people, you know? It's it's heartbreaking and I think
14:29 Speaker 05 as Harper like playing it, there was because of all of this loss, there was just so much shock. I think, you know, when you're like running on E, you haven't slept, you haven't eaten, something tragic has happened to you and you really feel like you're at the bottom of the barrel and then one more thing happens.
14:44 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:44 Speaker 05 And you just, you have not, you don't even have the energy to be devastated. You go into that sort of like comatose.
14:53 Speaker 03 Yeah.
14:53 Speaker 05 And you see, I mean, you see her right after that conversation, she's just in the bed. Like if we had eight more episodes, she'd be there in the bed.
15:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:00 Speaker 05 Depressed.
15:01 Speaker 03 Just being like, what the fuck now?
15:02 Speaker 05 No shower, none of it. Yeah, so I was, I was really looking forward to exploring what that sort of void feels like? And what does a person do to try to soothe themself? And it was, I think, one of the most challenging parts was justifying, finding the love in her still choosing Kua Bana after all of that. Because she, she says in that scene after that, like, they have a moment of connection.
15:40 Speaker 03 Right.
15:40 Speaker 05 Despite him coming back and saying, I just cheated on you again. And I don't think you want this. It's like, girl, why would I want this? You keep fucking with me.
15:48 Speaker 03 But it's like,
15:49 Speaker 05 She's desperate.
15:49 Speaker 03 Is that relationship even like, he's like, he's almost like begging you to be like, don't do this and you won't. You're like, okay.
15:59 Speaker 05 Well, there's so much, so much humiliation.
16:02 Speaker 03 Yeah.
16:02 Speaker 05 Like the amount of energy that it takes her in that moment to be like, To be honest at all, to be like, how do you expect me to function with you?
16:12 Speaker 03 Right.
16:13 Speaker 05 You know? Takes so much guts. It's also totally not the Harper we know. The Harper we know would be like, fuck you.
16:20 Speaker 03 Yeah.
16:21 Speaker 05 You know what I mean? She would start another fight. She would get mad. She would probably do something to him, fire him. I don't know.
16:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
16:27 Speaker 05 But she doesn't. And that's like, one of the beauties of being on like a long running thing, doing TV in general, is you really get to evolve a person. You get to explore how time, space, relationships, the world affects them. And you get to explore who they want to be, who they want to be.
16:49 Speaker 03 Right.
16:49 Speaker 05 Cause I think, I mean, like, I'm, I'm, I'm asking myself this question every day and I'm, I'm making new decisions towards like, who do I want to be today and beyond?
17:00 Speaker 05 And I think that's really cool.
17:01 Speaker 03 It is really cool. And you've like, the whole, you and the whole cast have done such an excellent job within the industry. Where do you see like, the turning point? For like, where was Harper's turning point this season?
17:15 Speaker 05 Hmm.
17:15 Speaker 03 Do you think it was when Eric left?
17:17 Speaker 05 Oh, boy. Ken is one of the greatest actors of all time, in my personal opinion. He is, he's just really amazing. It's very easy to love him. He really does wear his heart on his sleeve. And that's another great thing about this show is that we are following a bunch of people who make decisions that would make them seem irredeemable.
17:39 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
17:40 Speaker 05 But they're so infused with humanness that it becomes relatable and you want them to succeed. You want them all to go to therapy and like, get fixed.
17:50 Speaker 03 And like, have the gang back together and like, be like, oh.
17:54 Speaker 05 Right into the sunset.
17:54 Speaker 03 Get, have a beer at the pub and hang out.
17:58 Speaker 05 But I think, um, yeah, that was a huge one for her.
18:04 Speaker 05 I think, I think another really hardcore turning point that I think she was sort of forced into was finding out her mom died.
18:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
18:14 Speaker 05 Because the entire first four episodes is Eric trying to convince Harper to work with him and to create a more intimate relation, like a sort of friendship.
18:27 Speaker 03 Right, yeah, there was like, you know what this is, yeah, yeah.
18:30 Speaker 05 Please, like, share your life, like, if we're gonna work together, like, we should really, and she's like, you know, you know, nothing good comes of that, considering their history, and the job is going well.
18:42 Speaker 05 But she is in so much turmoil finding out that her mother has gone. She, she has no one to turn to, and she is desperate just to, just to talk to someone. And he's there and he makes himself available. And that, aside from her, her loving relationship with Yasmin, I think that's the other sort of loving relationship in Harper's life, that it is a sort of pseudo paternal. He's also been her mentor, and he really was the one who, who took a chance on her. He picked her sort of out of obscurity, knowing that she didn't really have the qualifications.
19:23 Speaker 03 Yeah, people forget that Harper came to Pier Point lying about her resume. I mean, that was the whole thing about season one.
19:30 Speaker 05 Yeah.
19:31 Speaker 03 Was that you didn't have the qualifications.
19:33 Speaker 05 Right, right.
19:34 Speaker 03 You were better than everyone on the floor.
19:35 Speaker 05 Per, period. But the reason she doesn't want to get into this personal relationship with him, like, let's just make it business, because despite him being the one who allowed her to be in that space, he's also the one who outs that. He's also the one who gets her fired.
19:49 Speaker 03 That was crazy. The shit that's happened in this show, like you- I mean, I never thought start. I remember starting, sitting there, starting season one, being like, what am I about to get into?
20:01 Speaker 05 You had no idea.
20:02 Speaker 03 I had no idea. Luis has seen the show through twice.
20:05 Speaker 05 Oh, great.
20:08 Speaker 03 I'm like, how do you sit and watch this twice? Like, it's the most stressful, but it makes like, talking to you and Marisa has like, made me be like, I think I want to restart it.
20:18 Speaker 05 Go for it. I feel like, honestly, especially having been a part of our family from day one.
20:26 Speaker 03 I was. I was industry high from day one.
20:28 Speaker 05 Day one gang. I love, thank you, thank you. Cause I wouldn't be sat here today if it weren't for you and the rest of the people who were like, diehard from day one. I'm so serious.
20:37 Speaker 03 It is, it was, it picked me up during such a dark time in my life in COVID. Like, I just remember being at my parents' house, sitting there, watching it and feeling like I was part of this family. That's what like, you guys are so good at doing. Like, I felt like I was part of this family.
20:51 Speaker 05 Oh, that's amazing. I mean, we really, kind of from day one, but have become a really strong family. It feels like family. And I think that chemistry, that bond, that trust that we created, fills the show. Like, it's that sort of unnameable chemistry-like thing, which I also think is why, like, people want Yaz and Harper together, because Marisa and I are actually friends.
21:20 Speaker 03 Right. You're her bridesmaid.
21:22 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah. We actually love each other. So even when we're fighting, it's coming, despite itself, it's coming from a place of very deep love and appreciation and respect. And those colors, the nuance, I mean, the same with me and Ken, like, I just have, we have had a deep love for one another, which is why people are like, why do we want them together? Because you know it comes from love.
21:47 Speaker 03 Real love.
21:48 Speaker 05 Yeah. And on the page, it wasn't always that. It wasn't like, oh, these people actually love each other. It's like, no, these people are stabbing each other in the back.
21:55 Speaker 03 Yeah.
21:56 Speaker 05 And that's, that's sort of the magic of like, great teamwork and real chemistry, which does sort of feel like lightning in a bottle.
22:07 Speaker 03 It is. Was there like a moment this season, or honestly, any season where like, something wasn't scripted?
22:13 Speaker 05 There definitely is some. Not when we're doing any sort of business-y deal.
22:18 Speaker 03 Well, of course not.
22:19 Speaker 05 Because we would all be like.
22:23 Speaker 05 The sort of nature of this entire show is Mickey and Conrad learning their actors and writing for us. I mean, there have been whole storylines that were inspired by real-life stories that actors connect to. They're really good at that. I think that's what makes them special writers. Because they write, they really write for us. But the, the, there was like a couple, but specifically, and it wasn't exactly improv, but specifically the scene where Harper speaks to Eric about her mom passing. On the page, I mean, it was, I think the scene ended up being like five or six pages long. But when I got it first, it was maybe four, three or four. And the direction was more like Harper is numb.
23:08 Speaker 05 She doesn't cry. She doesn't know how to feel. It feels quite disconnected. And I thought like,
23:15 Speaker 05 if I, if I was in her shoes and this monumental thing happened to me and I, I felt numb or I didn't know how to feel about it, that would confuse me so much. I would feel so lost and so alone and the emotion would come from that. It would come from being so deeply confused and frustrated at the fact that I don't know how to feel about my own mother dying. Yeah. It's so confusing and so isolating and then also being so far away from home, you know? I think also the fact that she feels sort of pinned, forced into this now very intimate relationship with Eric that she was trying so hard not to do. It feels like a sort of betrayal of self.
24:00 Speaker 05 So all of that is where the emotion comes from. I often cry when I'm confused and frustrated. Yeah. So I just, I said to the boys, I was like, hey, I understand this version. Is there a world in which maybe we can let her be a little more childlike, a little more insecure and like really reveal something to him? And then it creates, and that like affected what Eric said. So then the scene became longer. I just, I ended up writing them like this stream of consciousness thing and I just like WhatsApped it to our group chat and was like, here's my thoughts. When I like put myself in her shoes while I'm working on the scene, here are my thoughts. Just here they are. And then when we went to shoot, like,
24:44 Speaker 05 Ninety-five percent of the stuff that I wrote ended up in the new scripts on the day.
24:50 Speaker 05 Which was amazing. I was really, really, really grateful that they
24:55 Speaker 05 wanted to include those things. Cause I feel like there's so much about Harper that we don't know.
25:05 Speaker 03 We get plopped into Harper's world after after she grew up essentially. And I feel like I don't know why as a viewer, I wasn't expecting her to care. But like, I wasn't expecting her to care that her mom died. Like the Harper that I knew hates her mom. And was like, would have just been like, no. So when it went the other way. And like the short was going well, everything was going well and that happened, you would think she'd be like, I can't, I can't. And she like does and basks in that like emotion. It was very shocking as a viewer to see.
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26:51 Speaker 05 I'm always interested in the sort of unexpected turn of something. I often feel surprised by the way I respond to things, especially as I grow. I'm 30 now.
27:01 Speaker 03 You're 30?
27:02 Speaker 05 Yes, girl, get into it.
27:03 Speaker 03 Oh, do you like it? Do you like being 30?
27:06 Speaker 05 I love being 30.
27:07 Speaker 03 Okay.
27:07 Speaker 05 Being 30 is amazing.
27:08 Speaker 03 Everyone says that.
27:10 Speaker 05 It's ama- how old are you?
27:11 Speaker 03 26.
27:11 Speaker 05 Work, you're in the midst of your Saturn return?
27:13 Speaker 03 I know, I know, I'm scared.
27:15 Speaker 05 It's okay, I'm praying for you and it's gonna be fine.
27:17 Speaker 03 How was yours?
27:18 Speaker 05 She ate me up, low key.
27:21 Speaker 05 She ate me up.
27:23 Speaker 03 What was it like, when did it start for you and what was it like? I'm sorry, industry hype, I need five seconds to like go down this road.
27:29 Speaker 05 We're about to get into my medical history. It probably started around 25 and it did indeed sort of start with a tummy issue. I am now-
27:40 Speaker 03 My back hurts.
27:41 Speaker 05 Yep.
27:42 Speaker 03 My back hurts.
27:43 Speaker 05 Listen, spirit moves through you in mysterious ways. Yeah, it started with tummy issues, which sent me on this journey of like physical, physical health and wellness. And I, at one point, I'm not kidding, was so frustrated that I was like, I need God.
28:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
28:04 Speaker 05 Nothing is working, none of these pills, none of these yogas, I need God.
28:08 Speaker 03 Like, I need literal religion right now.
28:10 Speaker 05 Give me the crystal, whatever, like, I'll do anything to fix this. And I think I just discovered that so much of the physi- it felt very much like emotionally and energetically, I had to deal with some things to just make room in my spirit for like the drugs to work.
28:29 Speaker 03 Right.
28:31 Speaker 05 It's been my experience that like the mind, the spirit or the mind and the body are like intrinsically linked. And I needed to like get right with myself. I had to learn how to really love myself and like love on myself so that I could take care of my body better. It's like such a crazy process, it feels like- I really felt like I was being ripped to shreds.
28:55 Speaker 03 Oh my god.
28:57 Speaker 05 Yeah, I'm sorry, sweetie, I really am. But honestly, it's worth it and I think anything, anything worth doing is gonna be hard.
29:04 Speaker 03 Yeah.
29:04 Speaker 05 Um, the body needs stress to grow, that's why we work out, we break our muscles apart so they can grow bigger, stronger, shapely, whatever. Um, so yeah, a lot of that was about like, learning how to set my boundaries. Like, understand what my boundaries are, what do I need? Put myself first, set my boundaries, maintain them in a respectful way. Um, speak my truth and also only speak abundance into my own life. Like, deciding what it is I think I deserve and like, saying it with my chest until I believe it. A lot, it was like five years of like, I don't actually believe it, but I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna say, I'm just gonna say it until it becomes true. And I turned thirty and now it's true.
29:44 Speaker 03 And what, like, did you used to have like, negative self-talk?
29:47 Speaker 05 Absolutely, I mean, and I still do, don't get me wrong, like, it's a practice, honey. Every single day I'm saying like, I deserve this, I deserve, I deserve to love myself. Um, I still have negative thoughts, I still have anxiety and I still have, um, occasionally I have imposter syndrome and occasionally I feel like I'm not prepared for something. But I also know that like,
30:10 Speaker 05 the universe loves me and I wouldn't be put in the positions that I'm in if I couldn't handle it. And I have big goals and big dreams and I have to be able to advocate myself or else I'm not gonna get them.
30:20 Speaker 03 Right.
30:21 Speaker 05 Um, so yeah, my, that was, that was what that was and my tummy is healed, thank god.
30:27 Speaker 03 Thank god.
30:28 Speaker 05 But really, honestly, in like a less woo-woo way, it was like, learning about nutrition, learning about my circadian rhythms, um, and making sure that I don't overextend myself so that I can show up to work and my life every day is like, the best version of myself.
30:42 Speaker 03 Was there ever like, a part of shooting industry that you felt overextended?
30:48 Speaker 05 Yeah, I mean, yeah, the, the-
30:52 Speaker 05 The first season we shot, I had only done, I'd done like one episode of television and I did an indie feature in New York that I did like five days on. And then I landed in the UK and they were like, lead this HBO series for six months, work every day, do it well, and then like be chill about it.
31:14 Speaker 03 Like, what was the audition process like for you for that? Like, did you walk in being like, this is just another audition? Or did you walk in being like, this role is mine?
31:23 Speaker 05 So, the tea about this is that when I got this audition, I was like in the midst of a crisis. I had just lost a job that they said was mine, that I was like counting the dollars and deciding the ways in which this was gonna change my life. And they, literally the director in the room was like, it's yours. And the next day, they were like, they went another direction. Broke my heart into like a million tiny pieces.
31:46 Speaker 03 Oh my god.
31:47 Speaker 05 It was horrible. At the time, I was bald, very androgynous, didn't, yeah. And I was comparing myself a lot to the people who were getting the jobs. I was like, they're more feminine than me, they wear makeup, they are taller, they're shorter, they're darker skin, they're lighter skin. And I was, was really like, do I need to change the way I look or present myself to be palatable to people just so I get a chance? And I'm really like, I really wear my heart and myself on my sleeve and the idea of changing my outside felt like a betrayal of myself. And it was just like, I was crashing out. And then I got the audition for Industry like a week later.
32:30 Speaker 05 And I was supposed to go out with my friends, so we were like pre-gaming in the apartment. And I was like, oh fuck, I have this audition, will you guys tape it with me? So I'm like a little tipsy in the tape.
32:38 Speaker 03 Shut up. I have to see this tape now.
32:41 Speaker 05 No, girl. That shit is buried. It's not that good. Um, but they saw something in it and they asked me to do another round of tapes with two additional scenes. And in between, I read two more episodes and I met with Mickey and Conrad. And they gave me some thoughts and ideas. So I retaped, thank god. Um, and a week later... They were like, they want you to meet Lena Dunham, who's gonna direct the pilot.
33:02 Speaker 03 Right.
33:03 Speaker 05 So I met her in person and she was so quirky. We sat on the floor while we did the read. And she was like, you'll be hearing from us very soon.
33:11 Speaker 03 Oh, that's so her, I feel like.
33:13 Speaker 05 So her. And I walked out, I mean, I wasn't in there but like thirty minutes and I walked out and called my team and they were like, what happened? And I was like, well, we're done. They said, was it good? And I was like, I mean, I think so. We sat on the floor, so I think that's good.
33:24 Speaker 03 Right.
33:25 Speaker 05 And then a week later, they were like, they want to travel you to Cardiff to test with the other actors. And when I showed up, it was just me there, testing for Harper. Every, I think almost all the other roles was one person, except for maybe one role, there was two people. But that was when I was like, oh, per, like, it's just me.
33:42 Speaker 03 Yeah, I got this shit.
33:44 Speaker 05 If I like royally screw this up, okay, but if it goes well, if I do what I've been doing, I think this is mine.
33:52 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
33:53 Speaker 05 Um, and then maybe a week later, the day before my birthday, I found out I got the job.
34:02 Speaker 03 And was it like, how, what, did, what, what did you feel like, knowing that you didn't have to change anything about yourself to get it?
34:10 Speaker 05 Yay.
34:10 Speaker 03 Were you like, I'm so grateful that I didn't fall into that crash out?
34:14 Speaker 05 Well, I literally was like, this, this is why you hold steadfast, like, this is, this is why you feel so strongly about showing up as yourself. Because the right project, the right people will find you.
34:28 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
34:28 Speaker 05 You just have to have faith and be patient and like, hold on. Um, so that was real confirmation that I should never like, never try to change myself to fit some version of what I think someone else wants. Also, the real gag is casting and creatives, whatever, they don't want you to do a version of what they think.
34:47 Speaker 03 Right.
34:47 Speaker 05 Because oftentimes, they don't even know.
34:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, they don't.
34:50 Speaker 05 They're look, they do not know. They're looking for someone to tell them, oh, that's what I want, or that challenged thing that I thought I want and it inspires me. So I think that's what happened. And they were like, I'm so down. Um, so yeah, I mean, they were like, do you want to stay bald? And I was like, no, no, no. Like, let, let me, let me do a little something. Let me change for the role. Um, but yeah, I mean, I went into that season totally unprepared for how much responsibility it was. I was so excited. But it was so, so much that I didn't even realize I hadn't given myself an opportunity, time, or space to process until literally the day we wrapped.
35:32 Speaker 05 We did like the rap party and then everyone came over to mine and we like had a sesh and it was so fun.
35:37 Speaker 03 I would pay money.
35:38 Speaker 05 You.
35:39 Speaker 03 To sesh with every single person on that cast.
35:41 Speaker 05 Been there.
35:42 Speaker 03 I should have been there. You're like, oh, am I pure point?
35:47 Speaker 05 It was so fun. We tried to, we tried to get them to let us have the, the party on the trading floor and they were like.
35:52 Speaker 03 Oh, come on. They said no?
35:54 Speaker 05 Well, there was like millions and trillions of dollars of like Bloomberg terminals everywhere. I was like, I'm not letting you get fucked up on the trade floor. It's like such a risk. But everyone was at mine. They all left at like three in the morning and I closed the door on the last person. I turned around and sunk to my knees and wept. For I don't even know how long. I was like crawling around my apartment crying so hard. And I finally found my phone and I called Marisa and I was hysterical. I don't remember what I said. I don't really remember exactly what happened, but I do know that I left my apartment. It was raining. I was crying in the rain. She found me because we lived all in the same complex. She found me in the rain. She, she brought me back into my apartment.
36:38 Speaker 05 And she, she like brushed my teeth for me and put me to sleep and stayed in the bed with me until I like cried myself to sleep. She stayed with me the whole.
36:48 Speaker 03 You guys are really Yaz and Harper. With less of the backstabbing.
36:53 Speaker 05 Yeah, right. No, none of that.
36:54 Speaker 03 But that's why it reads so well because it's so real. That love is so real.
36:58 Speaker 05 It's really real. She like literally held me while I cried and like my body just experienced the whole six months because I didn't know what to do with that.
37:08 Speaker 03 You were on go mode.
37:08 Speaker 05 I was, I was totally on go mode.
37:10 Speaker 03 Yeah.
37:11 Speaker 05 And I finally, when my body was like, it's done. You can relax now. It was like
37:15 Speaker 03 Yeah.
37:15 Speaker 05 All of it came over me. Um, and I released it all and I let it go.
37:20 Speaker 03 Wow.
37:20 Speaker 05 It was crazy. And then I was awoken by the driver being like, come to the airport. Time to go to America. And I was like, I'm not packed. I have not, it was cra- I left that apartment in shambles. Shambles. There were, I mean, it was disgraceful, the condition I left that apartment in, but.
37:36 Speaker 03 It's okay. You made great television out of it.
37:38 Speaker 05 Thank you.
37:39 Speaker 03 How are you planning on saying goodbye to Harper?
37:42 Speaker 05 Yeah. This is a great question that I really haven't put too much thought to.
37:48 Speaker 05 I don't think I'll ever truly say a real goodbye. She is a, she is a part of who I am.
37:56 Speaker 05 And who I wanna be. I think it's sort of twofold. It's like sad because her the, our story, me and her story is ending. I'm sort of leaving her behind.
38:13 Speaker 05 But when this is done, that chapter is closed. I have, I have a new, a new chapter to open. Now I am literally, I'm just literally available.
38:26 Speaker 05 There's so much more work I wanna do. I'm, I'm writing and I'm trying to develop a couple of things for myself. So now I'll have the time, energy, the space, the experience and the confidence to start working on those things, which I'm really excited about.
38:45 Speaker 03 Do you want, are those things more television or movie or both?
38:48 Speaker 05 I have both. I have both that I'm interested in. I'll never not do TV.
38:51 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'm a TV guy through and through.
38:53 Speaker 05 Me too, I really am.
38:55 Speaker 03 I feel like with television, you can fall into these worlds so much more intensely and like really become part of a family.
39:02 Speaker 05 Totally. The time, just the sheer amount of time, like it's, it's like depending on how many episodes you have, it's like eight movies.
39:08 Speaker 03 Right.
39:08 Speaker 05 We have so much time to explore and go deeper and and you get to change and evolve and like Harper season one is not Harper season four and she won't be Harper season five. Do you know what I mean?
39:19 Speaker 03 I feel like, I mean, I feel like season five Harper will have a like, I feel like she's gonna go on this like moral, like trying to make up for like looking at Yaz and being like, wait, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, like how did we get here? Like we're not doing this.
39:35 Speaker 05 She's gonna turn to Christ.
39:36 Speaker 03 Yeah, she is literally gonna turn to Christ.
39:38 Speaker 05 Yeah, I'm, I'm really excited to see where we go with, with Harper, with everyone with the show. I mean, knowing, knowing that it's the last one, I'm pretty sure the boys are just gonna go
39:50 Speaker 03 Rip it.
39:50 Speaker 05 Yeah, they are. They are. They're gonna, right. I mean, I think yesterday on the, we, we did a panel yesterday. They were talking about like, From day one, there was sort of a basket of things they were interested in doing. And now that they know the time is nearing an end, they're gonna try to get all that shit that's in the basket into season five. So are you excited?
40:08 Speaker 03 I like, actually, like, I think I want to visit set one day.
40:11 Speaker 05 Oh, my God, you should.
40:12 Speaker 03 At this rate, like, I think I need to come.
40:14 Speaker 05 You should totally come.
40:16 Speaker 03 Mickey Conrad, please let me come visit set like I would.
40:19 Speaker 05 They're cut. No, you're gonna come.
40:20 Speaker 03 Okay.
40:20 Speaker 05 You should totally come. Come to Cardiff.
40:22 Speaker 03 Please, I would. Me and Louise would have. It would be field trip day.
40:26 Speaker 05 It would be so fun. Why not? We would love to have you.
40:29 Speaker 04 I think we'll be there.
40:31 Speaker 05 We would love to have you.
40:32 Speaker 03 It is seriously like that show has done things for me like, oh, you have no idea.
40:37 Speaker 05 I'm so glad. I mean, I love hearing that because it has done so many things for me. And I feel like maybe, I don't know if this is like a thing, but like I'm a fan. I'm a fangirl. You know what I mean?
40:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
40:50 Speaker 05 I love to fan over things.
40:52 Speaker 03 I'm the biggest fangirl of all time.
40:53 Speaker 05 I'm such a fan.
40:54 Speaker 03 Yeah.
40:55 Speaker 05 And I am a fan of this show. There's so much of it that I'm not in. So like when I watch it, I'm still kind of watching it.
41:02 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah.
41:03 Speaker 05 Like half brain is as me and I'm criticizing myself, but the other half of me is just like enjoying my friends in the show, the story, like I'm really invested in it. So, so hearing other people say that it's meant something to them is like, I mean, it means the world to me.
41:19 Speaker 03 It really is so incredible. Do you have like a favorite episode ever?
41:23 Speaker 05 Oh.
41:24 Speaker 03 I have mine.
41:25 Speaker 05 Oh, wait, what's yours?
41:26 Speaker 03 Okay, mine's the finale of three.
41:29 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, I think that's one of the greatest episodes of television of all time.
41:33 Speaker 03 Of all time.
41:34 Speaker 05 Maybe.
41:34 Speaker 03 Bar none, hands down. Like, that episode changed like how I view the world.
41:40 Speaker 05 Oh.
41:41 Speaker 03 Just because it was so good. You know, when something's so good and you're just like looking at life like.
41:45 Speaker 05 I'm changed.
41:46 Speaker 03 Artistically, like, that's how that episode made me feel like I've.
41:49 Speaker 05 Oh, God.
41:50 Speaker 03 That episode, the one where Harper is.
41:54 Speaker 03 Trading on the trading floor like
41:56 Speaker 05 Yeah, that one, episode four, right?
41:59 Speaker 03 Yeah, those two episodes I think are my favorite of industry of all time.
42:02 Speaker 05 Thank you. Yeah, I'm glad. Those are, I mean, phenomenal episodes. I feel like episode, my, my husband is always saying to people who haven't seen the show, um, and it doesn't, he's not sure, like if they're not sure if it's going to be for them, he says, start on episode four of season one.
42:17 Speaker 03 Really?
42:17 Speaker 05 Because that episode with that trade, the anxiety, I think kind of sets the tone for like, oh, this show is a finance show, but it's really more like, um, making Conrad say, it's like, how do we make a trade feel like a car chase?
42:31 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
42:32 Speaker 05 Um, and that's the one that does it. I think anyone who watches and they're not sure they're like locked in by, by episode four.
42:38 Speaker 03 Yeah.
42:38 Speaker 05 I feel like one of my favorite episodes. Oh, my God, there's actually so many. Now I'm thinking about, I think it's episode six, the Christmas episode of season one.
42:47 Speaker 03 You guys always fucking kill on Christmas episodes. The Christmas episode, is that like a thing that they say, oh, it's the Christmas episode?
42:54 Speaker 05 Yes, the Brits fucking love Christmas.
42:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, they really do.
42:57 Speaker 05 They like love Christmas so bad.
42:59 Speaker 03 They do.
43:00 Speaker 05 Um, yeah, that one's great.
43:02 Speaker 03 Which one are you thinking of?
43:03 Speaker 05 Ben Lloyd Hughes, when he runs into the glass at the, in epis, in the first season, and he like is banging himself into the glass, that one is really great. There's also so much tea with like Robert and Yasmin and Harper in that episode.
43:17 Speaker 03 I miss Robert.
43:18 Speaker 05 I know, we all do. Shout out Harry Lottie, we love you.
43:20 Speaker 03 Love you town.
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44:47 Speaker 03 I'd never seen like bisexuality like portrayed just so casually like that. I was like, it was in the midst of COVID. I was watching, I was watching industry and all of a sudden, he was like really like courting Yaz. And then he like got his dick sucked by this guy. And I was, and then they didn't really harp on it at all.
45:07 Speaker 05 Also, like, go off, a young white man doing that? I think that one of the things that Making Conrad are really good about, that the show is good about is like, because people are always like, isn't it a show about like sexuality? Is it a show about race? Is it a show about, and it's like, no, it's a finance show. And all of these things happen, but we're not trying to tell the audience how they should feel about it.
45:29 Speaker 03 Right.
45:29 Speaker 05 It's just like, here it is. And then you get to be like, oh damn, I could just be by and it's not a thing, or whatever. You know what I mean?
45:38 Speaker 03 Because they don't make it a thing. It's just, it's just they lay it out and they're like, here you go.
45:42 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, we're not, we're not trying to like bully the audience into feeling like yay gay or not yay gay. You know, we're just like, here's a piece of the world with no judgment. I think that is really good TV making.
45:56 Speaker 03 It's excellent.
45:56 Speaker 05 I want to shout out a specific sequence as well in episode four of season one. I love season one, apparently.
46:02 Speaker 03 Season one's great.
46:03 Speaker 05 Season one is a great season. This was really fun to shoot. Harry and I, who plays Robert, we did, we had like 45 minutes left in a shoot day on episode four, and it was like bonkers. They're like, we have one camera. Everyone's trying to get the fuck out of here. But we need to do this sequence where Harper and Robert do drugs together. And it's a short sequence. They like get high and we improvised the entire thing. They like put on music and we were just like pretending to do whatever. He like put on this coat pretending to be Elton John. We were dancing around. And the camera was just like going crazy and it was so much fun. It was really run and gun and we didn't know if we got anything worth its weight in salt. And it turned out to be like one of the most fun and maybe like sort of quintessential industry sequences in the show.
46:47 Speaker 05 Um, I loved, loved shooting that. I also loved shooting the boat stuff with Marisa in season three.
46:54 Speaker 03 That was amazing because I feel like I didn't know if Yaz and Harper were friends at that point.
47:01 Speaker 05 Yeah.
47:01 Speaker 03 I didn't know. And then to see them together for ultimately what defines Yaz's story for the rest of the show. It was a real moment of like genuine chosen family.
47:16 Speaker 05 A hundred percent. I mean, it's so interesting that now sort of people are coming around to Harper having a moral center.
47:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:24 Speaker 05 That right there to me was the most pure act of love. She's risking her own safety.
47:32 Speaker 03 Right.
47:33 Speaker 05 To help her friend cover up like a crime. Um, she really looks at her in the face and says, I see how badly you're hurt. I'll, I will help you.
47:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
47:44 Speaker 05 I will help you. It's so selfless.
47:47 Speaker 03 I think that's why Yaz always goes back to her.
47:49 Speaker 05 Hundred percent.
47:50 Speaker 03 And that's why even when Henry is like, your friend Harper, like she's short, shorting the company. She's doing this. Yaz is like,
47:59 Speaker 05 She said, don't talk about my friend like that.
48:00 Speaker 03 Yeah. Hey, the guys, that's my friend.
48:02 Speaker 05 That's my friend. Be so for real.
48:04 Speaker 03 That's my friend. Um, so did you, is it true you met your husband via kind of this show?
48:11 Speaker 05 Yeah, totally. The other greatest gift of my life via this show, my man. Um, he is also an industry day one-er.
48:19 Speaker 03 Yes.
48:19 Speaker 05 He was watching the show in COVID and he sent myself and
48:25 Speaker 05 Harry and Mickey and Conrad, a message just saying, hey, I'm watching industry. I'm such a fan. Congratulations on the show. I think it's great. Um, and it was deep COVID and I was living by myself and the show was coming out and there was like no premiere, no interviews, nothing. I was very alone and I was like going through my DMs, obviously like starving for connection. And I saw his and I was like trying to weed out the like gross ones, like people being like, I love the show. Send me a picture of your feet.
48:57 Speaker 03 Yeah.
48:58 Speaker 05 And I was like, uh, but his wasn't really respectful. So I just said, thank you.
49:02 Speaker 03 Mm hmm.
49:03 Speaker 05 And the next day I woke up to a string of video messages from him and I was like, uh, girl. What is this, bro? But I was like, let me go on his profile. I was like, wait a minute. He's kind of cute.
49:15 Speaker 03 He's really cute.
49:15 Speaker 05 I'll risk it. So I opened the messages and it was him and he was literally filming himself and he was like, hey, my hola, it's Armando. Um, I just wanted to say it was so cool that you responded to my message. I wasn't expecting it. Again, congratulations on the show. Um, I am in a journalism class at university at the moment. I'm just wondering, would you be willing, available, interested in doing like a five, 10 minute interview with me for this project? And I was like, not a student.
49:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, like a literal student.
49:45 Speaker 05 Student. And I was like, I can't say no to this kid who like has a class project. So I was like, yeah, sure, whatever. We hop on a zoom the next day. We were meant to be on for 10, 15 minutes and we talked for 40 minutes. And I hung up the thing and I was like, I'm in love with a stranger. That's weird. I just was like, whatever, right?
50:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
50:04 Speaker 05 I couldn't stop thinking about him. Like a week later, I messaged him and was like, did you get an A on your project? I'm like a grown person being like, did you get an A a week later? It's crazy. I was like flirting hard. Um, and then we were just like in each other's DMs, talking all day, every day about fucking whatever. It took him three weeks to ask for my phone number. Very respectful.
50:24 Speaker 03 Very respectful.
50:25 Speaker 05 Um, and then very, you know, a la COVID, we were doing like FaceTime dates and we were just talking all the time. Um, he was in San Francisco at university at the time and I'm from San Jose originally. And so I was gonna go from New York to San Jose to, to see my mom like after the holidays. And I was like, yo, I'mma be like 50 minutes south of you. Do you want to meet in person? And he said yes, so I drove up.
50:49 Speaker 03 How nervous were you? Or were you not at all?
50:52 Speaker 05 I was really shaking in my boots. I was shaking in my boots and all my friends were like, are you psychotic? This man might chop you into bits and we'll never hear from you again. This is just a random stranger from the internet who like watched you on TV. Are you crazy? And I was like, yes.
51:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
51:07 Speaker 05 I got it bad.
51:10 Speaker 05 And I brought a bottle of wine and some glasses. And I remember like parking the car and he lived on a hill. And he was at the bottom, I like turned a corner and he was at the bottom and I saw him and I was like, he's so tall and fine. Thank God he's tall. And I'm like going down the mountain. He turns around and he sees me and I start running. It was so cheesy. I start running and then we hug and we were like, we like took a collective breath. It was so crazy. We literally like,
51:40 Speaker 05 and it felt so easy and so comfortable, like I belonged there. And both of us were sort of like, wait, actually this feels really normal.
51:49 Speaker 03 It was like love at first sight.
51:50 Speaker 05 I mean,
51:51 Speaker 03 Yeah.
51:52 Speaker 05 Completely.
51:54 Speaker 05 We sat on the roof. We had the wine. I brought hand sanitizer because I hadn't had my COVID test results back and I didn't want to be too risky because I was staying with my mom. So we like hand sanitized and held hands.
52:06 Speaker 03 God, TPT to COVID.
52:08 Speaker 05 Yeah, literally. She, nothing was gonna stop me, not COVID, none of it. And that was, that was the end of it. He met my mom the next week and we have been inseparable. I mean, it'll be like five and a half years now, married for a year and change.
52:22 Speaker 03 Congratulations.
52:23 Speaker 05 Thank you so much.
52:24 Speaker 03 How was the wedding?
52:25 Speaker 05 It was really sweet. It was just the two of us, his sister, his parents and my mom. My best friend from college married us and we had a friend take some pictures. It was really small and,
52:36 Speaker 03 That's the way to do it though.
52:38 Speaker 05 Yeah, it was the way for us, certainly. And I think he has a huge family and so our plan is still, I promise you, familia is still the plan. To do a big ceremony in the Coachella Valley, he's from Indio. Do a big ceremony there so everyone can come and celebrate us and maybe do a little something in New York for our friends. But we just, we were eager to be married. And so when time and finances permit, we'll throw some parties.
53:05 Speaker 03 Yes.
53:05 Speaker 05 So we can celebrate with, with loved ones, but yeah.
53:08 Speaker 03 Well, what are you therapist about today?
53:11 Speaker 05 I'm therapist that it's been so fucking cold in New York and so nice here. It's crazy. It's like the apocalypse.
53:18 Speaker 03 It's, it's, I can't, I can't do it.
53:20 Speaker 05 It's so bad. It was so bad.
53:22 Speaker 03 You know it's bad when you're like, I thought global warming was gonna make it hot.
53:27 Speaker 05 Yeah, no, no, girl. It's, it's been like the most depressed myself, my friends and family have ever been. Cause it's been so long.
53:36 Speaker 03 Is it still cold right now in New York?
53:37 Speaker 05 Literally, my mom was like, it was raining the other day. And then it was like 80 degrees, but it keeps, it's like this. Yeah, no, you know, it's too much.
53:44 Speaker 03 Is it, are you living in New York now?
53:46 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, I'm in.
53:47 Speaker 03 Okay, when are you going back?
53:49 Speaker 05 Uh, tomorrow.
53:50 Speaker 03 I go back tomorrow. What flight are you on?
53:52 Speaker 05 Well, I'm on a late flight.
53:53 Speaker 03 I'm on a late flight. Are you Delta?
53:55 Speaker 05 Yes.
53:56 Speaker 03 Are you on the 915?
54:02 Speaker 03 Wait, I'm so excited.
54:03 Speaker 05 It's going down on the plane, babe.
54:05 Speaker 03 So excited.
54:07 Speaker 05 Yeah, I'll see you in the lounge.
54:08 Speaker 03 See you in the lounge. Oh my God, wait, I'm pumped.
54:11 Speaker 05 Me too. Yeah, it's gonna be great.
54:13 Speaker 03 Oh my God, how fun.
54:14 Speaker 05 Do you live there or do you live here all the time?
54:16 Speaker 03 I just got a place there. I'm from there.
54:18 Speaker 05 Oh, that's right.
54:19 Speaker 03 I need a New York summer.
54:21 Speaker 05 Okay, well, so will you be there this summer?
54:24 Speaker 03 Yep.
54:24 Speaker 05 Woo.
54:25 Speaker 03 I want to be for the streets this summer. That's like, I was telling somebody the other day, like, what my behavior and they were like, why are you like for the streets? And I was like.
54:35 Speaker 05 The streets deserve it.
54:36 Speaker 03 I was like, I'm having fun. They were like.
54:39 Speaker 05 Put some respect on the streets. Also, mind you, the streets of New York are kind of iconic.
54:42 Speaker 03 They are. And like, I'm ready to like be outside drinking wine on rooftops. So.
54:47 Speaker 05 Hell, yeah.
54:48 Speaker 03 Cause LA can be very isolated. I don't know if you've experienced it, but it can be like, I don't drive, so it's like.
54:54 Speaker 05 You don't drive in LA?
54:55 Speaker 03 No, I Uber every day or I have my friends drive me.
54:58 Speaker 05 Everywhere, Uber, Uber, everywhere. Is it, okay, practical question. Is it like?
55:05 Speaker 03 Less expensive?
55:06 Speaker 05 cheaper than Uber?
55:07 Speaker 03 We've done the costs.
55:11 Speaker 03 I don't think so. But like for everyone's safety and mental wellbeing, it's better than I.
55:17 Speaker 05 Keeping you off the road.
55:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, like I'm so addicted to my phone. I know that.
55:22 Speaker 05 Know thyself. That's really good. You're protecting people.
55:25 Speaker 03 I am. I am. I know I would be a bad driver. My dad's like, you can't drive. I'm like, okay, like it's his one thing. I won't drive.
55:30 Speaker 05 For the streets and for the people.
55:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
55:33 Speaker 05 I live.
55:33 Speaker 03 Right?
55:35 Speaker 05 I love driving. I miss driving.
55:37 Speaker 03 I've never gotten to experience a moment in the car where it's just you. And you're like listening to music and you're like, I know, I've heard it's amazing.
55:46 Speaker 05 It's really nice. A moment of alone is hard to come by nowadays as well.
55:50 Speaker 03 I know. And like now you could say like, oh, do a Waymo, but they're always watching in the Waymo.
55:54 Speaker 05 Hell, no.
55:55 Speaker 03 Waymos, I, I just, I can't get behind it. I can't, it really bugs me out so bad.
55:59 Speaker 05 That Skarsgård movie where he gets locked in the car? Did you see that?
56:02 Speaker 03 Yes.
56:02 Speaker 05 Girl.
56:03 Speaker 03 So random. I did see that movie.
56:05 Speaker 05 It's a crazy film. He's a great actor. Crazy film.
56:08 Speaker 03 Oh my God. That is one of those movies where it's like, you've never meet someone that's seen that movie.
56:12 Speaker 05 No.
56:15 Speaker 05 I watched it on a plane.
56:16 Speaker 03 I watched it on a plane too. I watched it on a plane too. And I remember being like, this is weird.
56:21 Speaker 05 Fucked up. I'm like waiting for the plane to lock its doors and tell us all to do the Macarena.
56:25 Speaker 03 Yeah, like fucking, it's like Saw, but like the AI version.
56:29 Speaker 05 No, no, girl. The Waymos is not for me.
56:32 Speaker 03 And you were in a movie where all the cars combusted on themselves.
56:36 Speaker 05 Yes.
56:37 Speaker 03 Leave the world behind, which could actually very well happen.
56:41 Speaker 05 Listen, I know everyone is listening, but like she is upon us. The world is Loki leaving us behind, honey.
56:47 Speaker 03 Well, that was like, that was one of those apocalypse movies where I was like, oh my God, ah, that could really happen. Have you seen this movie?
56:53 Speaker 05 Also like pieces of it is already happening.
56:56 Speaker 03 It's terrifying.
56:57 Speaker 05 It is. It really is. No Waymos.
57:00 Speaker 03 No Waymos.
57:02 Speaker 03 All right, do you want to get into the tell me what's wrongs?
57:04 Speaker 05 Yeah, please.
57:05 Speaker 03 When I get drunk, I trauma dump. It's literally so embarrassing and gives me crazy anxiety the next day I do this too. I did this to Marisa. She was like, I saw her.
57:14 Speaker 05 She loved it.
57:14 Speaker 03 Yeah, I saw her at the Andy Fair. She's like, do you remember you? I said, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm.
57:17 Speaker 05 Oh, my god.
57:19 Speaker 03 Um, like, one time, I literally told my crush, who I had only met two times, about my parents divorce. That's fine. And my daddy issues and my trauma, nobody gives a fuck knowing that about me, and I don't want them to know either help. Well, I would disagree with nobody gives a fuck.
57:31 Speaker 05 Yeah, that, yeah, no, I agree. Nobody, I care, I care. Also, like, drunk or not, like, good for you for being vulnerable.
57:38 Speaker 03 I agree.
57:40 Speaker 05 Go ahead. And if somebody thinks you oversharing is weird, I think they're weird.
57:43 Speaker 03 And they're not your person.
57:44 Speaker 05 Exactly.
57:45 Speaker 03 To be a friend, to be a lover, anything.
57:47 Speaker 05 I agree.
57:48 Speaker 03 I love trauma dumping.
57:51 Speaker 03 I do, I just, I love, like, being vulnerable and, like, telling people, I have really bad OCD, so, like, if I can show you all sides of me immediately, and you can see it, then we can move forward in whatever relationship we find ourselves. I can't lie, I'm a really bad liar.
58:08 Speaker 05 Yeah, me too. Great actor, bad liar.
58:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, but I mean, it's just, I feel so guilty lying. It's like a guilt thing, I like, so, but that, like, manifested in me, like, trauma dumping, oversharing.
58:18 Speaker 05 Ah, I see, I see, I see. Yeah, I feel like, know the space you're in, because sometimes it can be kind of dangerous.
58:26 Speaker 03 Right.
58:26 Speaker 05 You can't be too trusting. But I think if you're like, oh, I talked to my ba, my parents, isn't everyone's parents divorced?
58:32 Speaker 03 That's what I'm saying.
58:33 Speaker 05 You know what I mean?
58:34 Speaker 03 It's not like real trauma, like, I mean, it's real trauma, but like, it's like, sorry.
58:41 Speaker 05 Cancelled.
58:42 Speaker 03 It's like, you can talk about your parents divorce when you're drunk and not feel anxiety. I've done far worse. I have nights that I don't remember at all.
58:50 Speaker 05 Yeah, same.
58:51 Speaker 03 At all. Like, I've had, like, yes, you're validated, and it's okay.
58:56 Speaker 05 You're gonna be fine, sweetie.
58:58 Speaker 03 My partner's mom followed his most recent ex after we've been dating for years. Oh, I would. This at first was just really weird, but not a big deal. Flash forward a couple months, and now she's been regularly going on coffee da, coffee dates, and evening going out, and even going out with his ex. The reason I'm writing in today is because last week she invited her over to our family brunch. How do we deal with this?
59:19 Speaker 05 What the hell is wrong with her? Sorry, but like,
59:22 Speaker 03 That's evil.
59:23 Speaker 05 That is psychotic.
59:24 Speaker 03 That's psychotic.
59:25 Speaker 05 What is wrong with her?
59:26 Speaker 03 She also knows what she's doing.
59:27 Speaker 05 Hundred percent.
59:28 Speaker 03 She's fucking with you.
59:30 Speaker 05 Yeah, that is fucked up.
59:31 Speaker 03 And that's on your partner to lay a boundary.
59:34 Speaker 05 I gotta say, yeah, there is, I know it's a fine line, cause like, that's your mommy or whatever, but like, protect your girl.
59:41 Speaker 03 I would watch, you remember that, uh, what was that show that came out that everyone was obsessed with?
59:45 Speaker 04 The Girlfriend?
59:46 Speaker 03 The Girlfriend? Was that it?
59:48 Speaker 04 Yeah, wasn't it?
59:49 Speaker 03 It was the British show.
59:51 Speaker 05 Ooh.
59:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, did they just say yeah?
59:53 Speaker 05 They just said yeah.
59:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, I would watch The Girlfriend. It ends in murder, but I would watch The Girlfriend.
59:57 Speaker 05 Well, better safe than sorry.
1:00:00 Speaker 03 What is it? Monster in Law? Do you remember that movie?
1:00:03 Speaker 05 No, but it all sounds scary. In-laws are so tricky, I get it, but also, girl, what is wrong with her?
1:00:09 Speaker 03 That's, that, I've had friends in relationships where like, the mom has like, done shit like that, and it's, it is all on your partner. And that is nothing to do with you, it is not on you.
1:00:20 Speaker 05 No, no, not at all.
1:00:21 Speaker 03 Like, you're marrying a person, I mean, you are marrying the family, but like, that is on them to lay down the boundaries and be like, you're making the person that I'm gonna probably marry, very uncomfortable.
1:00:32 Speaker 05 Yeah, totally.
1:00:33 Speaker 03 And also, why are you doing this? If I was her, I'd be like, why are you doing this?
1:00:37 Speaker 05 Why are you doing this, girl? Leave me alone. Yeah, I agree. That's crazy.
1:00:40 Speaker 03 Yeah. Oh my god, I'd freak out. Probably why I'm still single. I think I'm incredibly influenced emotionally by the weather.
1:00:48 Speaker 05 Yes, me too.
1:00:49 Speaker 03 I am too. It was raining the other day, my whole body hurt, I shut down.
1:00:52 Speaker 05 Yep.
1:00:52 Speaker 03 I smoked alone, I was like, I'm done. I live in Vancouver and I'm genuinely starting to notice my depression might just be from how it's always raining. The thing is, all my family and friends and life are here, so I want, so if I wanted to move, I'd need to start it new. Is this an overreaction? I've heard this is a thing, so.
1:01:10 Speaker 05 I don't think that's an overreaction at all. You're just trying to figure out why you're so depressed. Um, seasonally affected disorder is a real thing. The lack of vitamin D in the brain can also, like, trigger serotonin, some shit.
1:01:27 Speaker 03 Really?
1:01:28 Speaker 05 Yes, yes, yes. Literally, everybody, especially us people who live inside a studio, are vitamin D deficient, and it is- Like a big, has a big effect on the mood and how the brain works.
1:01:40 Speaker 03 Okay, my dad always tries to get me to take vitamin D every morning and I never.
1:01:43 Speaker 05 If you're sad, take it.
1:01:44 Speaker 03 I never listen to him. I feel like I should.
1:01:46 Speaker 05 No, no, dude, take it, take it. Vitamin D with vitamin K three, I think is the way like they need, you need both. Your body needs both.
1:01:53 Speaker 03 Vitamin D and vitamin K three.
1:01:55 Speaker 05 Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what I'm not a doctor, but like that's the one that I take to make it absorbable. And I take like 10,000 units a day.
1:02:04 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:02:04 Speaker 05 Which is a shit ton, but um, I would say look into some of those like seasonally affected disorder like things. Maybe start with vitamin D. My mom also got me on a um, light therapy, which is uh, like a, it could be an LED light, but it's like certain UV whatevers that you turn it on first thing in the morning where you, you know, when they say like, go outside and touch grass and like, look at the sun.
1:02:27 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:02:27 Speaker 05 But what the light does in your eyes to your like circadian rhythms is like a real thing. Um, so like that light therapy, like 20 minutes first thing in the morning can really help set the tone in your mood for the day. I would also say exercise.
1:02:43 Speaker 03 Exercise, that's what I was about to say, moving your body, like when I'm like in the, like when I'm really going through seasonal depression, which I go through every year, specifically the time between New Year's and Christmas.
1:02:54 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:02:55 Speaker 03 That is the worst time of the year.
1:02:57 Speaker 05 Tragic.
1:02:57 Speaker 03 It's a really tragic, horrible time.
1:02:59 Speaker 05 Where is everyone?
1:03:00 Speaker 03 I'm home with my family. I'm like, I'm miserable.
1:03:03 Speaker 05 Yeah, it's rough.
1:03:04 Speaker 03 It's rough and you need to move your body. When I started working out for my mental health as opposed to just my physique, my physique changed.
1:03:13 Speaker 05 Yeah, totally.
1:03:14 Speaker 03 And then my whole thing changed. It was like I was working out for years with no change. And then the second I was like, well, I have to go work out or else I'm going to feel like shit for the rest of the day.
1:03:22 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:03:22 Speaker 03 Like, that's when everything changes and you like, your, you life a little like lighter and everything's a little better and it's like.
1:03:30 Speaker 05 It's true. It's really true. You just gotta get those endorphins going, pushing them in your brain. Also like sweating is, is one of the big ways that your body like flushes toxins. It gets the lymph system going. There's so many reasons to exercise.
1:03:43 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:03:44 Speaker 05 Um, that is one of those. And then if none of that works.
1:03:47 Speaker 03 Move.
1:03:48 Speaker 05 Move.
1:03:48 Speaker 03 Yeah. Move and it's okay to move. I've had friends that like have moved to the middle of nowhere, knowing no one and have come out like better people for it.
1:04:01 Speaker 05 Totally.
1:04:02 Speaker 03 It's just like, didn't you move here not knowing anyone?
1:04:05 Speaker 05 Mm-hmm. Where are you from?
1:04:06 Speaker 04 Atlanta.
1:04:07 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:04:08 Speaker 04 Originally. I like had some friends, but not really.
1:04:11 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:04:12 Speaker 04 But yeah, it was awesome. And I also will say, I was really affected by the seasons.
1:04:18 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:04:19 Speaker 04 For all of college, all of my childhood, and then moving here, like I feel lighter.
1:04:24 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, totally. This, the sun is a really big deal.
1:04:28 Speaker 03 The sun, and you know where the sun hits the hardest? New York.
1:04:32 Speaker 05 Oh, well, you know what that is? It's because we collectively as a people suffer for months.
1:04:37 Speaker 03 Months.
1:04:38 Speaker 05 For months.
1:04:39 Speaker 03 And then the second it's like sixty degrees, shorts, we would all go to the park in high school.
1:04:43 Speaker 05 Everyone's outside like, I love everything.
1:04:45 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:04:45 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:04:45 Speaker 03 It's a collective like sigh.
1:04:47 Speaker 05 It's a, the vibes in spring in New York are fucking immaculate.
1:04:51 Speaker 03 Oh, I'm so ready to fly back tomorrow. I'm like, get me on the plane.
1:04:54 Speaker 05 Yeah, right, we're ready.
1:04:54 Speaker 03 I'm ready. I'm about to like go like lay out and like just vibe. But yes, don't be afraid to move and move your body. Move in all aspects.
1:05:03 Speaker 05 Follow your intuition as well. If you're like, I'm really feeling like this move might be good, just, you know, follow that.
1:05:09 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:05:09 Speaker 05 Follow that.
1:05:10 Speaker 03 Cause you, you really only live once.
1:05:13 Speaker 05 It's true.
1:05:13 Speaker 03 You really do whenever I'm like, should I do this, should I not? I'm like, well, what the fuck?
1:05:17 Speaker 05 What else am I gonna do?
1:05:17 Speaker 03 What else am I gonna do?
1:05:18 Speaker 05 Nothing?
1:05:19 Speaker 03 No, exactly.
1:05:19 Speaker 05 Crazy.
1:05:21 Speaker 03 I'm slowly watching my partner turn into a conspiracy theorist. I've always loved his passion for current events and even politics, but recently, he's just been so weighed down by it, but still insists on watching and consuming every story, opinion, etc. Not only is this just unattractive, it makes me sad for his day-to-day wellbeing. How do I help him without hurting him?
1:05:40 Speaker 05 Oh, shit.
1:05:47 Speaker 03 I don't know because like I don't know what makes a conspiracy theorist anymore.
1:05:54 Speaker 05 Yeah, actually, very good point.
1:05:56 Speaker 03 Do you know what I mean? Like there's so much, that's what I'm reading that I was like, am I like, there's so much information pumped out constantly.
1:06:06 Speaker 03 That like, maybe you guys are just going down two different paths.
1:06:10 Speaker 05 It's very possible. I always say in times of conflict like this with a partner like. And you want to bring something up to them, which is like actually just their problem. I always say like, try to reframe, always, always talk, like, keep talking, but try to reframe it. About you, like saying, I'm feeling
1:06:28 Speaker 03 Right.
1:06:29 Speaker 05 far away from you. I feel like we maybe spend a little less time talking about our mutual interests. I just want to feel close to you. Could we maybe spend a little more time doing this as opposed to this?
1:06:40 Speaker 03 Right.
1:06:41 Speaker 05 You know what I mean? Um, or like, I would really like to try having like a no phone hour, like maybe where we can just reconnect or make it about sex. I don't know. You know what I mean?
1:06:51 Speaker 03 Just watch a movie together.
1:06:53 Speaker 05 Yeah, like
1:06:54 Speaker 03 Cook together.
1:06:54 Speaker 05 Not about like, not a movie about like nine 11, like, you know what I mean? Like something else.
1:07:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:07:02 Speaker 05 Try that first, maybe.
1:07:04 Speaker 03 And like, maybe, maybe look at yourself and like, being like, am I? Being judgmental.
1:07:13 Speaker 05 Totally.
1:07:13 Speaker 03 You know what I mean? Like, I could total, like, cause like. You don't know, everyone's like, it, it's such, that is so tricky.
1:07:21 Speaker 05 It's very hard. Maybe you should get into it. Maybe you should also become a conspiracy theorist.
1:07:25 Speaker 03 And see what the vibe is.
1:07:26 Speaker 05 I feel like that sex would be incredible.
1:07:28 Speaker 03 I've been with my boyfriend for around a year and the fact that he's kind of broke is really getting to me. For context, before we started dating, he would get me flowers weekly and all these random gifts. And I get it, he's got a part-time job and is studying, but like, he spends more money on bedding than on me nowadays. What do I do and how do I not sound like an entitled ass?
1:07:45 Speaker 05 Wait. Pause. The bedding is also for you, no?
1:07:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, and you need to watch industry season three, the episode, the Christmas episode where. Rishi literally blows up his life.
1:08:01 Speaker 05 Yeah, that's so funny. Wait, okay, actually, I want to talk about this because this is really interesting, like.
1:08:08 Speaker 05 There's totally like you get to have your like non-negotiables. Obviously, everyone gets to maintain, uh, set and maintain their own boundaries. And like, life is so hard right now.
1:08:26 Speaker 05 Like, people are broke. Jobs suck. Gas is a million dollars.
1:08:33 Speaker 03 It is. I don't even drive it. I know that.
1:08:35 Speaker 05 Okay, exactly.
1:08:36 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:08:36 Speaker 05 I don't even drive currently and I know that. But I would just say like, especially like post-COVID, things have been so crazy, like with the, all the things, like, maybe just try to have a little more compassion for like why someone might be broke. Unless you think they're like, not trying.
1:08:57 Speaker 03 I think her issue is that they're spending money in other facets. But I think the compassion still applies because he, he's betting, but like clearly to like.
1:09:07 Speaker 05 Wait, wait, wait, wait. Betting? Oh, my God. I thought you meant like linens as in bed linens.
1:09:13 Speaker 03 Watch industry. That's why I was like. No, that he's betting his money.
1:09:18 Speaker 05 Oh, hell no. Gambling? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Scratch everything I said.
1:09:27 Speaker 03 With your switch up on that.
1:09:27 Speaker 05 Compassion about betting?
1:09:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:09:30 Speaker 05 Give me a break. No, no, that would drive me through a fucking wall.
1:09:32 Speaker 03 That ended in industry.
1:09:33 Speaker 05 Exactly. Watch that episode because your life's going to shit.
1:09:37 Speaker 03 One of the great Christmas episodes of industry.
1:09:39 Speaker 05 So crazy that it's a Christmas episode.
1:09:41 Speaker 03 I'm telling you, it's always the fucking Christmas episode. It's always the Christmas.
1:09:45 Speaker 05 I wonder what they'll do for this Christmas episode.
1:09:47 Speaker 03 That's what I was wondering because this Christmas wasn't, what was this? Was this Christmas the Kit Harrington episode when it was? Yeah, that was. Yeah.
1:09:56 Speaker 05 In, in Muck Manor, they had the big tree and all the stuff. Yeah.
1:10:00 Speaker 03 And Yaz kicks out her aunt.
1:10:01 Speaker 05 Mm-hmm. Iconic.
1:10:03 Speaker 03 Hey Jake and lovely guest. Basically, my dad gave me his old iPad, but still has his, but still had his WhatsApp connected to it. And I saw him texting a mistress of some sort. My heart dropped because I thought my parents were healthy and good. I snooped a little more to find out this girl was his sugar baby of sorts. And he was signed up to all these sugar daddy sites. Is it my place to ask him about it or should I go straight to my mom? Help? This is so weird.
1:10:25 Speaker 05 Oh, I think that really depends on what your relationship is with both of the parents.
1:10:32 Speaker 03 If I, you mean, you're already handling it better than I would because like you're writing in and you're like trying to find a good way to like.
1:10:39 Speaker 05 Getting advice.
1:10:40 Speaker 03 Who, I don't know what I would do. I would go to my sibling if I had a sibling and be like, what the fuck am I supposed to do with this? And if you don't have a sibling, I would go to my mom.
1:10:50 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah.
1:10:51 Speaker 03 I would go to my mom. I would just say, this is what's happening. Deal. I can't. Yeah.
1:10:57 Speaker 05 Yeah, that's probably the way, isn't it?
1:10:59 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:10:59 Speaker 05 I didn't have two parents to do this sort of thing with, so.
1:11:02 Speaker 03 Yeah, that would be, I think, my thing would be, I would go to my mom.
1:11:06 Speaker 05 Ooh, you know what I might do, à la Harper? I might go to my dad and be like, if you don't deal with this, I will.
1:11:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's also a good.
1:11:13 Speaker 05 And threaten him.
1:11:14 Speaker 03 Yeah. My thing is I would feel so guilty that if my mom knew I knew and like.
1:11:19 Speaker 05 Oh, right.
1:11:20 Speaker 03 It would, it's so.
1:11:21 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah. I guess it depends on the personality of the parents as well.
1:11:26 Speaker 05 Good luck.
1:11:27 Speaker 03 Good luck. Well, what did we learn today?
1:11:30 Speaker 05 What did we learn today?
1:11:31 Speaker 03 I learned about the bodies and the mind, like how they connect.
1:11:35 Speaker 05 We learned about vitamin D and K3.
1:11:37 Speaker 03 Believing in yourself.
1:11:38 Speaker 05 Yeah, totally.
1:11:38 Speaker 03 And like surviving your Saturn return.
1:11:41 Speaker 05 Hell, yeah. I learned, and I mean, I sort of like gleaned this of you anyway, but like you're such a kiki. Like you're such a kiki. You're such a kiki. You're so much fun. You clearly love to have fun and you love people. Like you have a show where you get to talk to people about people. You also clearly love to help people if you have people writing in.
1:12:01 Speaker 03 Thank you.
1:12:02 Speaker 05 You want to talk about advice. So I learned today that like you're really for the streets.
1:12:07 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:12:09 Speaker 03 I am really for the streets.
1:12:10 Speaker 05 You are a community person.
1:12:12 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:12:13 Speaker 05 I feel very like loved and appreciated by you.
1:12:16 Speaker 03 You are. I'm so glad you feel that way because you are so loved and appreciated in this house.
1:12:20 Speaker 05 Thank you very much. Um, yeah, I'm really grateful that we got to do this.
1:12:24 Speaker 03 Me too. Well, thanks for coming on the show.
1:12:26 Speaker 05 Bye pussies.
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