‘Domestic Disturbance’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

From Hell Month continues with a trip to Southport, Maryland, to attend the wedding of Rick Barnes and Susan Morrison in the 2001 thriller ‘Domestic Disturbance,’ starring John Travolta, Vince Vaughn, Steve Buscemi, and Teri Polo. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic The Ringer is committed to responsible trading. Please visit https://fanduel.com/predicts to learn more about the resources and helpline. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:06Bill Simmons?

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• 1:11Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 1:12Bill Simmons?

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• 1:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13Bill Simmons?

  Not only do you have the watch, but you're doing the beautiful pod on The Adam Friedland Show during the World Cup.

• 1:20Chris Ryan?

  That's right. Taft's: TBP. Okay.

• 1:23Bill Simmons?

  We're running this. This is running, I think, June 22nd. So hopefully Team USA is up 2-0.

• 1:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31Bill Simmons?

  Just trying to lock down that one seed in the group.

• 1:34Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 1:34Sean Fennessey?

  Gut check, is that what you think will happen?

• 1:36Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I think they will get through the group. Somehow.

• 1:40Sean Fennessey?

  It's encouraging.

• 1:41Bill Simmons?

  A prediction from CR. We are still doing From Hell Month, and we've done really good From Hell movies, but we want to do one bad one. And domestic disturbance is next.

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• 2:41Bill Simmons?

  All right, so we've done Single Way Female, we've done Hand That Rocks The Cradle, like two icons. But what happens when From Hell goes wrong?

• 2:50Bill Simmons?

  What happens when everything goes sideways? When everything's in place? It's like a basketball team where it's like, oh, we spent all this money. We have these stars.

• 2:58Chris Ryan?

  Steve Nash, Dwight Howard?

• 2:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's the 2000s Lakers. You're in the lottery, you don't know what happened. And yet it still ends up being a Rewatchables. And that is Domestic Disturbance, a movie that I implored both of you to watch again.

• 3:10Sean Fennessey?

  I'm so relieved that this is how you're framing it. Because if you were gonna come in and be like, this has been one of my favorites for years.

• 3:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, this is limitless.

• 3:17Sean Fennessey?

  I'd fire this up, you know? Like, it is, it is very bad. But it is entertaining in an, in an exciting way. For a variety of reasons, but one of which is like, it's got a bunch of guys where you're just like, why did this guy decide to do this movie?

• 3:32Chris Ryan?

  So let me ask you this. Do you think it's bad or do you think it's stupid? Because I think there's a little bit of a distinction and I think that it's weirdly not bad. Like, I think everybody's doing decent enough work.

• 3:43Bill Simmons?

  It's good, bad.

• 3:44Chris Ryan?

  But it's stupid.

• 3:46Sean Fennessey?

  You know, it's just one of those movies where we're gonna talk about this. You can just feel the several dozen minutes that have been carved out of it. And so it just often feels incoherent.

• 3:57Chris Ryan?

  This is like Craig Cameron in a studio. This is the only movie where I'm like, eh, they could have used 10 more. There's definitely references to things where you're like, did that happen? Like, what was going on?

• 4:07Bill Simmons?

  It's awesome.

• 4:08Sean Fennessey?

  It just leaves you asking a lot of questions.

• 4:10Bill Simmons?

  It's a good, bad movie. I think one of the reasons it's rewatchable for me, and I've watched this movie a bunch of times. I have no idea why.

• 4:16Chris Ryan?

  Cause it's 15 minutes long.

• 4:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's over 88 minutes.

• 4:20Sean Fennessey?

  The credits hit in 79 minutes. It's crazy.

• 4:22Bill Simmons?

  Unbelievable. The, the decisions in the, huh. And like trying to figure out, when did Vince Vaughn realize this wasn't gonna be the one?

• 4:32Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 4:33Bill Simmons?

  Travolta gives up about an hour in. Travolta's really trying for about an hour.

• 4:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 4:38Bill Simmons?

  And in the last half hour, he's like, fuck, how many more days? My plane is docked at the airport. There's just dumb characters. It has a lot of the From Hell staples, but, uh, and we're gonna get to that. But the, the 2000s, this is when From Hell starts to go sideways. We had this really good run that starts with Fatal, Fatal Attraction into the eighties. Basic Instinct kicks in, the era that we're doing. We're the good son, hand that rocks the cradle, single way female. We have the breakdown, we have the glory years. And in 2000s, they kinda ran out of ideas, but they realized, let's keep doing this. And that's when you get domestic disturbance. You get changing lanes.

• 5:18Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:19Bill Simmons?

  With Sam Jackson and Ben Affleck, the road rage from hell. You get One Hour Photo with Robin Williams. Pretty weird movie.

• 5:27Sean Fennessey?

  Serial killer from hell, though, are all serial killers.

• 5:30Bill Simmons?

  But like friendly photo guy.

• 5:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Photo, photo guy, photo developer guy from hell.

• 5:33Bill Simmons?

  Photo developer guy from hell. The best one of all these from this decade is Disturbia, which I actually think is pretty good. And you could talk me into doing this summer.

• 5:41Chris Ryan?

  neighbor from hell?

• 5:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 5:42Bill Simmons?

  You like that movie?

• 5:43Chris Ryan?

  Great movie. It's a Rear Window remake.

• 5:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Shia, like right before, I mean, the wheels have been coming off for 20 years.

• 5:50Chris Ryan?

  He does Disturbia in Eagle Eye. You know, he's trying.

• 5:52Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's all right.

• 5:53Chris Ryan?

  Transformers, obviously.

• 5:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Perfect Stranger, Halle Berry and Bruce Willis, just kinda came and went.

• 6:00Sean Fennessey?

  Really bad movie.

• 6:01Chris Ryan?

  I honestly don't even know if I know that movie.

• 6:03Bill Simmons?

  You know where it didn't go from, though? Tubi.

• 6:09Sean Fennessey?

  How many of these films are on Tubi?

• 6:11Bill Simmons?

  I think everyone I mentioned is on Tubi.

• 6:13Chris Ryan?

  You're such a real one. You're just like, we're on Netflix and I'm still gonna go.

• 6:17Bill Simmons?

  Well, listen, there's Netflix caliber and then we're down here with Tubi. And Tubi's like, here, here's a thumbnail with Halle Berry and Bruce Willis.

• 6:24Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, so why did this happen, I think is a good question to ask.

• 6:27Bill Simmons?

  There's one more I have though.

• 6:28Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, go ahead.

• 6:29Bill Simmons?

  Lakeview Terrace, 2008. Sam Jackson, Neighbor from Hell, doesn't like the interracial couple that moved next door.

• 6:34Chris Ryan?

  It could be The Last, it could be The Last from Hell and then Dark Knight comes along and cleans up hell, you know?

• 6:40Sean Fennessey?

  That's right. That's right. Joker from Hell. Um, but, so you can kind of understand why these movies start to pop, right? You can be like, well, there's like the AIDS crisis and movies like Single White Female and this idea of like some foreign presence coming in and changing your life. Or you can say that there's like class anxiety and the yuppie moment in the late eighties that is kind of driving some of this. But then, as it goes on, is it just that the ideas get squeezed out and there's not any good ones? Like, this is a Stepfather from Hell movie. That's.

• 7:10Bill Simmons?

  Which, by the way, we'd already done with The Stepfather with Terry O'Quinn.

• 7:13Sean Fennessey?

  That's what I was gonna say.

• 7:14Bill Simmons?

  Part of the problem is you're just redoing the same kind of themes that we've already seen in other movies. I think the reason they kept, there's two reasons they kept going. I think it's fun as an audience member to watch people make dumb decisions where you're just like, how do you not realize? Why aren't you listening to your son?

• 7:31Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:32Bill Simmons?

  That's just fun as an audience member. And then the other thing is, I think people saw like what happened for Michael Keaton with Pacific Heights and, and like Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction, like to zag the other way with a From Hell character is like a good career move.

• 7:47Sean Fennessey?

  For a star, yeah. Jennifer Jason-Leigh in Single White Female.

• 7:49Bill Simmons?

  You can see like Vince Vaughn thinking, yeah, it's been five years since Swingers. I gotta take a couple swings. Maybe I'll play like the evil stepfather guy. This will be good for me. And then he probably realizes, what, 10 minutes in? Fuck.

• 8:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, but then you turn out to be Patrick Bergen in Sleeping with the Enemy and then you're like, never heard from him again.

• 8:08Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, right.

• 8:09Bill Simmons?

  That's the other issue with this is sometimes you, if you're not a star, if you're a star, I think you can move in and out of one of these roles.

• 8:16Sean Fennessey?

  And he was at this critical, I don't know if you want to talk about Vaughn now, but.

• 8:18Bill Simmons?

  Let's do it.

• 8:19Sean Fennessey?

  He's at a really, really critical juncture of his career where. Six years have gone by since the thing that made him a big star. And he clearly had ambitions to be a serious actor. That was what he wanted to do. He wanted to do dramas, he wanted to do thrillers. Look at every single movie he chooses after.

• 8:37Bill Simmons?

  I have it.

• 8:38Sean Fennessey?

  Swingers.

• 8:38Bill Simmons?

  Swingers, Lost World, Jurassic. He's like the fifth guy in that. Clay Pigeon, Psycho, The Cell, Domestic Disturbance and Maid.

• 8:46Sean Fennessey?

  Those are all thrillers and then Maid, which is.

• 8:48Chris Ryan?

  Maid is the, Maid is the like, I give up.

• 8:50Bill Simmons?

  The Favreau comeback.

• 8:50Sean Fennessey?

  It's his reunion with Favreau, but if you watch that movie, it's just as much a crime movie as it is a funny buddy comedy.

• 8:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 8:56Sean Fennessey?

  And you can see like what he thought he was gonna do and then after this movie and after this movie bombs.

• 9:02Bill Simmons?

  What did he make in 2002?

• 9:04Sean Fennessey?

  Two thou- is it Dodgeball?

• 9:05Bill Simmons?

  Nothing.

• 9:06Sean Fennessey?

  Oh.

• 9:07Bill Simmons?

  He does Disturbance and Maid in 01, nothing in 02, 03 is old school. And the light bulb goes on.

• 9:15Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 9:15Bill Simmons?

  Oh, this is what I am. I'm actually like comedy Vince Vaughn.

• 9:18Chris Ryan?

  And then it's Starsky and it's Doc.

• 9:19Bill Simmons?

  Comedy leading man and then he's off.

• 9:20Sean Fennessey?

  Like nine in a row.

• 9:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 9:21Sean Fennessey?

  And then he goes back to the top. I mean, he, you know, he ends up being in The Breakup and stuff like that where he's headlining huge movies.

• 9:28Bill Simmons?

  In 05, when the, and The Breakup's a pretty flawed movie, but he's also dating Aniston.

• 9:33Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 9:34Bill Simmons?

  Post Brad Pitt, like all of a sudden he's an A-plus lister.

• 9:36Chris Ryan?

  Comedy show that he was like touring.

• 9:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 9:39Bill Simmons?

  He was an A-plus lister.

• 9:40Sean Fennessey?

  Totally. Wedding Crashers is huge.

• 9:42Bill Simmons?

  In 01, it felt like his career was gonna end soon.

• 9:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 9:45Bill Simmons?

  And it was like, man, I feel bad for Double Down Trent. I don't know if this is gonna happen for him, but he kind of figured out how to flip it and use that shtick thing as like his comedy persona and then he was off.

• 9:55Sean Fennessey?

  It's really funny though, cause there's something in the character of this movie that reminds me a lot of Trent where like Trent is always performing. He's always doing his bit. He's always trying to pump up Mikey. He's always.

• 10:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 10:06Sean Fennessey?

  You know, he's always got this like false energy, this bravado, and he's kind of doing that in the first half of this movie. Where he's trying to connect with Danny.

• 10:14Chris Ryan?

  When he's having a catch with him, when he's just like, hey, wanna build me some boats? Like he, he has it. He, he's often talked about in relationship to comedies. How often he will sign up for a project and then the studio starts talking about how it needs to be PG 13. And you know, he had grown up and he gets like all the movies that we love when we were growing up where there was something a little bit illicit about them.

• 10:35Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 10:36Chris Ryan?

  And I think I can't remember if he was talking about um the internship or whatever. But it was something where you can actually see the roots of that problem in this movie. Because there's an R rated kind of just more disturbing version of domestic disturbance. That actually could be kind of fucked up and interesting. But they just shaved down the edges too much and they sand it down and they make it into a PG 13 movie that never really bothers anybody. You know, but it's like you can see how screwed up. His relationship with Danny could have been and how weird it is. And him being just like, it's a bad dream, you know, like.

• 11:10Bill Simmons?

  I have a lot of ideas for this later.

• 11:13Chris Ryan?

  For the R rated version of this?

• 11:14Bill Simmons?

  I just think PG 13 is a death sentence.

• 11:17Sean Fennessey?

  Do we think that they shot them and cut them out?

• 11:20Bill Simmons?

  I do.

• 11:20Chris Ryan?

  There's an 111 minute version of this movie that doesn't exist, basically.

• 11:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, they cut, there's a whole story behind it where um I have it.

• 11:30Bill Simmons?

  It was supposed to be like end of 2001. 9/11 happens. Paramount has to rush Zoolander up. Because Ed Burns has Sidewalks of New York, it's their big September movie. And they can't do it because it's New York. They move Zoolander up. I saw Zoolander in the theater in Boston. Maybe two weeks after 9/11 and people just weren't ready for a comedy.

• 11:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it didn't do well.

• 11:54Bill Simmons?

  It was a weird vibe, yeah.

• 11:56Sean Fennessey?

  Even though that movie is beloved now.

• 11:57Bill Simmons?

  So they push this movie up to like October and they decided it needs to be shorter and they just chopped 22 minutes from it. Now, the counter would be could, should this movie have had 22 more minutes? Um, but the thing they did, they did that and they did the PG 13 thing. And you can see like, there's a lot of times they're saying fuck, but they're changing it to don't fool with me, Chris.

• 12:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 12:20Bill Simmons?

  Who says don't fool with me?

• 12:22Chris Ryan?

  Well, the weird thing is then he goes, you're a fucking liar, Danny, so it's like they had a number of F bombs that they couldn't, yeah, yeah.

• 12:29Bill Simmons?

  When you, so you only know Vince Vaughn from the comedy Vince Vaughn? So when you see him like trying to think he, this was a career path for him, is it like amusing?

• 12:40Speaker 04

  Certainly amusing. I, I think when he's doing a lot of like, when he's playing baseball, he is kind of comedy Vince Vaughn in this movie. Like when he's like, I don't want to catch it up here. I don't want to catch it over here. I want to catch it down here.

• 12:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 12:49Speaker 04

  But I actually think that, I don't think in a vacuum.

• 12:52Chris Ryan?

  Dad's such a good athlete, why is he so dirty? So he doesn't throw.

• 12:55Speaker 04

  I, I think in a vacuum Vince Vaughn's not bad in this movie as like a villain. I think he's, if this movie were made right and there was 15 more minutes in it, I don't think he's bad.

• 13:04Sean Fennessey?

  He's not the problem in the Psycho remake or Clay Pigeons or The Cell. Like it's not that he's a bad actor. It actually is just that he's not exploiting what he's so amazing at. He, he's like aggro Chevy Chase. That's his persona. He's like fast talking, smarter than everybody else in the room, kind of a dickhead, but very lovable. That's his comic persona. It's an amazing persona. In old school, that's some of the funniest shit you're ever gonna see in a movie in the 2000s. But you can feel him like really trying to, to broaden his horizons. To try to be a much more serious kind of performer and like, it's just not what he's best at. And like you can, you can feel the acceptance in the late 2000s of him just being like, you know what? This just makes more sense for me.

• 13:47Chris Ryan?

  He basically does that until True Detective season two, right? Like when he.

• 13:50Sean Fennessey?

  And now he's kind of pivoted back where he's doing, you know, Cell Block 99 and, and, um, and dragged across concrete and he's trying to go back to the like hard edged thriller stuff that he really likes in his career, which I respect.

• 14:03Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 14:04Sean Fennessey?

  But it wasn't gonna make him a star.

• 14:06Chris Ryan?

  You can also prop your career up in different ways. So like he, his big thing now is this show on Apple called Bad Monkey, which I, I personally don't love the show, but it is a perfect Vince Vaughn vehicle. Cause it's like Vince Vaughn walking around Florida, solving crimes, but making jokes.

• 14:21Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 14:22Chris Ryan?

  You know?

• 14:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, usually the people hit as a comedian, they have like seven, eight years. And then they decide, I want to, I'm, I could be a dramatic actor too. Vince Vaughn like inverted it.

• 14:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 14:34Bill Simmons?

  He had swingers and then he's like, I'm, I, take me seriously.

• 14:37Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:38Bill Simmons?

  And then people are like, you're Double Down Trent? What's going on here? And then he flipped it the other way. So I don't know, you look at his oh three through two thousand ten, him and Pharaoh are like the, they're they're at the head of all that shit with Apatow.

• 14:51Sean Fennessey?

  True.

• 14:52Bill Simmons?

  They're in the most movies, they're in the, they're making cameos and other people's stuff. And it just, I don't think he wanted to accept it. I think when you look at Vaughn and Favreau from Swinger, and we talked about this when we did rewatchables, thinking of like the potential of those guys in that movie, and then thinking how their careers turned out, it's actually kind of incredible. Cause even when when when they made Maid in two thousand one, which I saw, it was disappointing.

• 15:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 15:16Bill Simmons?

  I liked those guys, I felt like I had to see it, but it felt like it was like kinda over.

• 15:20Sean Fennessey?

  Not aging well with the amount of ditty going on in that film.

• 15:23Bill Simmons?

  Well, true, true. But, um, but when you look at it now, like Favreau is one of the most successful directors who had last twenty years, and Vaughn was one of the most successful comedy actors.

• 15:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 15:32Bill Simmons?

  It somehow worked out great for them.

• 15:34Chris Ryan?

  It was such a weird thing with Swingers, I wonder whether or not Vince Vaughn coming out of that movie was like, the thing that people will love is me playing video games, you know, and being like, uh, uh, like, I'm gonna make your guy bleed or whatever.

• 15:48Sean Fennessey?

  Who's the big winner? Mikey wins!

• 15:50Chris Ryan?

  He probably thought it would be some of the more dramatic beats, or some of the more like classic movie star beats, if they, if that movie got seen at all.

• 15:57Sean Fennessey?

  But that's in the text of the movie, like the, those guys are trying to be actors in Hollywood. They're trying to be Paul Newman, like that's the whole point of the movie.

• 16:05Bill Simmons?

  People they dreamed of being.

• 16:06Sean Fennessey?

  But the stuff that is the most fun is when they're just hanging out, being friends, and almost feels like they're improvising those scenes where they're at the diner, or they're playing, you know, NHL, like, that stuff just felt like their real personalities, and that's what people wanted from them. But you're right, though, like, if they had a hundred tries at their career, are they in the ninety ninth percentile of how well it worked out?

• 16:26Bill Simmons?

  It's crazy. The, the other thing is, he never figured out, like, there was, like, you talked about Aggro Chevy Chase, that actually would have worked really well for this movie. Like if he had been this like Wheeler dealer, like charismatic guy and everybody in the town loved him, but like John Travolta and Danny the little boy were like, they were the only ones that knew he was full of shit.

• 16:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 16:47Bill Simmons?

  Um, but we didn't even really see the charismatic side of him either in this. Only in like the baseball catch scene and he gets that Chamber of Commerce thing. But for the most part, he's kind of playing it straight and sinister and it's a lot of, lot of shots of him, you're brushing your teeth and it's like, oh Dan, Vince is in the bear. Woah.

• 17:06Chris Ryan?

  They use his height, like they use some things about him that really work. But yeah, like the things that work the best in this movie are the two scenes with him and Buscemi because.

• 17:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's, that should have been its own movie.

• 17:19Chris Ryan?

  It's a suggestion of a whole other universe, of a whole other world. They seem so comfortable together. Buscemi grounds this movie and makes it feel like it's part of like a larger world. And yeah, then the stuff with, with Terry Polo and the kid is just kind of like this, this feels like I'm looking at a picture that takes place in a frame so that I buy the frame at like a department store.

• 17:42Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I wrote down this movie's trying to be evil stepfather movie. It's basically an ABC after school special of like the first dad trying to keep his relationship with his son. It's a murder mystery.

• 17:55Chris Ryan?

  It's a boy that cried wolf.

• 17:56Bill Simmons?

  It's a boy that cried wolf, nobody believes me movie. It's a childhood divorce movie and it's a little bit of a police procedural with one of the worst investigations of all time. Yeah, we checked out the incinerator, nothing there. Did you check his car? Yeah, couldn't find anything. Like really? He was stabbed to death in the front seat.

• 18:14Sean Fennessey?

  Are there incinerators that incinerate bones? Like, do we, do we know that that exists?

• 18:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, there's a couple still in LA.

• 18:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 18:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. But it's like, it's a brickworks. Do they have, why would you need to like an industrially incinerate?

• 18:26Speaker 04

  Also, it's, it's always on, the incinerator? It's just cooking 24/7?

• 18:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's like a pizza oven.

• 18:31Speaker 04

  It's just on?

• 18:33Chris Ryan?

  I would love to get a, a picture of, of Rick's holdings. Cause it's like, oh, I just bought a hotel and I have a brickworks. Like he's just like laundering all this money.

• 18:43Bill Simmons?

  Chamber of Commerce is like, say no more, here's your word. Uh, the unintentional comedy in this movie is out of control. Terry Polo is the mom, one of the, it, this is a staple in these movies, the dumb wife or the dumb mom, who just doesn't see all the signs. And then there's like the, oh, moment.

• 19:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:02Bill Simmons?

  Which he has when she sees.

• 19:03Chris Ryan?

  She has.

• 19:04Bill Simmons?

  Vince Vaughn treating his burns.

• 19:05Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:06Bill Simmons?

  Um, but we have that, we have all the times they try to do sinister Vince from like, the door closes and he's behind it or he's in the mirror. And then for me, Travolta in this movie, i- it's a 10 out of 10. He's pouring his soul into this movie.

• 19:24Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:24Bill Simmons?

  The first hour, he is working so hard. And he's really likeable, like this is about as likeable as Travolta can be in a movie.

• 19:32Chris Ryan?

  He really is, he really is likeable.

• 19:33Bill Simmons?

  It's just like, man, this guy's just a great first dad. He's just a great role model.

• 19:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 19:38Bill Simmons?

  Just wants to make some wooden boats. Doesn't even care if he makes money on them.

• 19:41Sean Fennessey?

  I actually think he's just like doing the exact wrong thing for the movie. The movie makes a lot more sense if he's like kind of a skeezy alcoholic.

• 19:49Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, a bit bitter.

• 19:50Sean Fennessey?

  And like a little more mad, but he's having these conversations with his girlfriend. And he's just like, gee, Wilickers, if only my boy could truly be happy.

• 20:00Chris Ryan?

  She's giving literally zero in those scenes.

• 20:03Bill Simmons?

  Girlfriend, yeah.

• 20:04Chris Ryan?

  It's like play, he's like, uh, when Yi was working out against a chair.

• 20:12Chris Ryan?

  No offense to the actress, but it's just like, it's John Travolta and like the NPC of actresses.

• 20:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's tough. They definitely saved some money on that one. Yeah, he's, he's really going for it and he really just wants to have a good relationship with his son.

• 20:27Chris Ryan?

  The one, there's one moment in this movie that crystallizes that is when he goes up to the house, cause it's his day and she's just like, yeah, sorry, he's not here. And he's like, okay. He walks away. And I'm like, what was the dramatic tension in this scene? Zero.

• 20:44Bill Simmons?

  There's so many scenes like that where you're like, why did they think this was the best version of the scene? Like, they go boating. Terry Paulo asks them.

• 20:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 20:51Bill Simmons?

  Hey, can you take them? Maybe take them for the boating? Guys can, I really want my son to like them. He's like, all right, I'll do it. And they go boating, and the scene's like 40 seconds. It's like, they couldn't have had any sort of character development, or some sort of them trying to feel each other out, nothing. They just kind of bring the boat back in.

• 21:09Sean Fennessey?

  There's a very funny moment where Vaughn and Danny are, you know, at the, at the wheel of the ship, the wheel of the boat, and he's trying to explain starboard to him and all the lingo, and Vaughn's like, yeah, let's just stick with left and right.

• 21:25Sean Fennessey?

  Dickhead. Like, his general tone is just like, he's in Wedding Crashers, in Domestic Disturbance. It's really funny.

• 21:30Bill Simmons?

  The baseball catch scene is probably my favorite scene in the movie.

• 21:33Chris Ryan?

  It's the most rewatchable scene, for sure.

• 21:35Bill Simmons?

  It's just a tor- but it needed like four more scenes like that.

• 21:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 21:39Bill Simmons?

  It's basically Danny doesn't get along with them. The only reason we really can think of is because they had that baseball catch.

• 21:45Chris Ryan?

  Like, collection of things, coming of age, things they could have done together, like, Rick shows Danny how to drive. Rick gives Danny his first beer.

• 21:54Bill Simmons?

  Oh, yeah. Teaches him how to smoke.

• 21:56Sean Fennessey?

  It would have been a lot better. I mean, the movie is really weird because the kid who plays Danny is kind of like likable and normal, but they're treating him like he's like the town hoodlum, you know?

• 22:06Bill Simmons?

  Was he normal? He's, he seemed kind of borderline psychotic.

• 22:10Chris Ryan?

  Something that I think is cut out is like Danny's past lies.

• 22:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 22:14Chris Ryan?

  Because the cop seems to fucking hate Danny.

• 22:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 22:16Chris Ryan?

  And I'm like, what, what did he do to you?

• 22:19Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's like, this fucking kid did it again. I'm not wasting my time with him.

• 22:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, did he call in like a fake bomb threat? Like, what happened?

• 22:26Sean Fennessey?

  Right, he just seems like a mischievous teenager and not evil. They're like, oh my God, he threw a baseball through a window. Like, what kid didn't do that?

• 22:32Bill Simmons?

  Well, he does have a stowaway fetish.

• 22:35Sean Fennessey?

  That's true.

• 22:35Bill Simmons?

  Which comes up, which finally manifests itself midway through the movie. So Travolta, this is, one of the things I love about this movie is, it's the end of Vaughn kind of thinking he could be this as an actor.

• 22:48Bill Simmons?

  It's the end of Travolta.

• 22:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it really is.

• 22:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 22:51Bill Simmons?

  He, he's on a heater from Pulp Fiction ninety-four through two thousand. Where he makes basically three to four movies a year that are major movies. Pulp, Get Shorty, Broken Arrow, Michael, Phenomenon, She's So Lovely, Face Off, Mad City, Primary Colors, Thin Red Line, General's Daughter.

• 23:08Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 23:09Bill Simmons?

  And that's all in like five years and then Battlefield Earth happens in two thousand.

• 23:13Chris Ryan?

  This is the sort of backwash of Battlefield Earth.

• 23:16Bill Simmons?

  Battlefield Earth, people were like.

• 23:17Chris Ryan?

  I think he had made this and Swordfish before Battlefield had come out.

• 23:21Sean Fennessey?

  Is that true?

• 23:21Chris Ryan?

  No, I don't know of like technically, but it's like, it would make sense that Swordfish and Domestic Disturbance were like the last two, like, this guy seems normal, let's put him in a movie.

• 23:30Bill Simmons?

  Lucky numbers after that too. So Battlefield Earth is like the, that's the tipping point.

• 23:34Sean Fennessey?

  I would say General, it starts with General's Daughter, which is also not good. I would say General's Daughter.

• 23:38Bill Simmons?

  General's Daughter is an awful, awful movie.

• 23:41Sean Fennessey?

  Awful movie. General's Daughter.

• 23:42Bill Simmons?

  It's like, just like a ten minute rape scene for no reason. It's fucking awful.

• 23:45Sean Fennessey?

  Vile, nasty movie.

• 23:46Bill Simmons?

  I hate that movie.

• 23:47Sean Fennessey?

  General's Daughter, Battlefield Earth.

• 23:49Bill Simmons?

  That's not in the theater.

• 23:50Sean Fennessey?

  Um, this movie, Swordfish and Basic is an all time bad run. And some of it is like, he picked the wrong movies. Some of it is he's trying to like pivot his persona, literally movie to movie, where he's like, in Battlefield Earth, that'd be more like, you know, the villainous figure.

• 24:05Bill Simmons?

  But that was a Scientology movie.

• 24:07Sean Fennessey?

  Totally, totally. But he, in this movie, you can almost feel him reacting, like Chris is saying. He's like, I'll be a warm dad. I'll be, I'll be the hero in this movie. But him being a hero actually makes the, the story not very dramatically interesting. Like, very early on in the movie, it's like, well, Vince Vaughn is clearly evil. As soon as Steve Buscemi shows up, you're like, okay, well Vince Vaughn is a criminal and we're just waiting now to find out what happens. The movie doesn't really push you along, the sense of like, well, is it actually Travolta who's like an alcoholic and his son who's like kind of a degenerate teenager?

• 24:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, why did they, why did they break up?

• 24:38Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 24:39Bill Simmons?

  What happened in their marriage?

• 24:40Chris Ryan?

  Because he turns down like champagne in that first, when he's giving the guy the boat in the beginning of the movie. He's like, no, no, no, I won't do champagne. I'm gonna have a beer. And I was like, oh, it's because like, maybe he's only on beer. He's not allowed to have anything else. But they never touch on it again and he seems like a lovely guy. So I, it's unclear why Terry Polo would divorce this like. Totally nice boat maker.

• 25:01Bill Simmons?

  And the girlfriend leaves him too and she's like, yeah, I've had enough of this. It's like, wow, what'd he do? He seems like a great guy. He's just trying to make some wooden boats.

• 25:09Chris Ryan?

  And he's pretty involved in his son.

• 25:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he cares about his son? That's your issue, fuckface?

• 25:13Chris Ryan?

  He still has like, in the 2000s, he still does like, one out of every five or six pops, like it's be cool, happens.

• 25:23Chris Ryan?

  And then what's the other one?

• 25:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, but he.

• 25:25Chris Ryan?

  He's good in Taking a Pulpal 123, the remake. I like that.

• 25:27Bill Simmons?

  He, he became self parody as Shep in 2000. I think it, you hit that zone as an actor where the general public's going, what's going on with this guy? And he's taken a lot of paycheck movies.

• 25:41Chris Ryan?

  Well, this is when red box movies also come in, right? Like it's.

• 25:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I mean, he, his, I wanted to ask you guys a question about him, but I, he was just at Cannes, when I was at Cannes and he, cause he had.

• 25:51Bill Simmons?

  With the craziest, yeah.

• 25:52Sean Fennessey?

  His directorial debut, which is like a 62 minute movie about the first time he ever flew on a plane. Like, it's just the weirdest movie ever. It's on Apple, yeah. Um, it's called One Way.

• 26:01Chris Ryan?

  So wait, everybody is like, this is true cinema. Is that like a bit?

• 26:04Sean Fennessey?

  It's a bit, yeah. But he was like, he wore a beret to every single screening of the film. He's got a weird mustache goatee situation. And everybody was like, why are you wearing this beret? And he's like, well, I looked back at photos of old directors and they were all wearing berets. So I thought I too will wear a beret and become a director. Like, he's an eccentric guy, to say the least.

• 26:24Bill Simmons?

  Nice.

• 26:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he's a weird guy. But has, has there ever been an actor who's made more incredible, culture changing movies? Who's also made more bottom of the barrel dog shit than John Travolta? Like, he has the widest chasm from Pulp Fiction, Saturday Night Fever, Grease, like, movies that changed people's lives.

• 26:45Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 26:46Sean Fennessey?

  To whatever the last 15 years of his career has been, where he's in like, stuff like Gotti, which gets roundly destroyed. Or, you know, Dark Vengeance, like a movie you've never heard of and never seen that is a red box movie.

• 26:58Bill Simmons?

  Now he's in the, the movies like my dad would mistakenly order on Amazon, cause it's like Travolta and Bruce Willis are in it. And it's like from the last five years.

• 27:05Chris Ryan?

  And they're both in 42 seconds of the movie.

• 27:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I think part of the problem with him. When you, when your aspiration becomes to have your own private plane that you can fly around.

• 27:15Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 27:16Bill Simmons?

  You just start taking paycheck movies.

• 27:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 27:19Bill Simmons?

  And I think this happens to him, cause there's, in the research of it, it's like Travolta flew his plane and he landed in Wilmington, North Carolina and everybody loved him and he still parks his plane there sometimes. I think, I think for him, he's like, I'll do five a year. How much can I make enough to buy this Cessna?

• 27:37Chris Ryan?

  Gas is expensive now, you know?

• 27:38Sean Fennessey?

  It is, it is. It's a really weird career, though.

• 27:41Bill Simmons?

  It's the weirdest. He, cause I, I go all the way back to him when he was Welcome Back Cotter, when he was Barbarino, and then all of a sudden he was Saturday Night Fever and he was the single biggest movie star we had. But then this comeback was like, people loved Travolta in the nineties. Like they did, like I went to, I, all those movies I listed, I probably saw every one of them in the theater.

• 28:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 28:01Bill Simmons?

  Including General's Daughter, which I regret.

• 28:03Sean Fennessey?

  Movies that were big hits at that time, they don't, like Phenomenon and Michael, those movies don't really hold up as well. Like they were really cool pitches where it was like, what if he has like a Sixth Sense style power? What if he's an angel? Like, they seemed interesting, but those movies don't really have like a cultural shelf life. But Pulp and, and Get Shorty, um, for sure do. And the seventies movies still hold up, but it's a really-

• 28:26Bill Simmons?

  Face Off, Face Off is so-

• 28:28Sean Fennessey?

  Face Off, yeah.

• 28:28Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:29Sean Fennessey?

  I enjoy Broken Arrow.

• 28:30Bill Simmons?

  I like Broken Arrow. You should watch, uh, Phenomenon with Craig, with, uh, Liz.

• 28:36Sean Fennessey?

  Watch it with your, your twin Craig.

• 28:38Bill Simmons?

  Watch it with Liz. It's an emotional one.

• 28:40Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 28:42Bill Simmons?

  It's got, I remember there was one sequence where-

• 28:45Chris Ryan?

  In Phenomenon?

• 28:46Bill Simmons?

  With Keira Cedric, cause he's dying and he's like, will you love me for the rest of my life? And she, and she goes, I'm gonna love you for the rest of mine.

• 28:57Chris Ryan?

  Was that your attempt at doing Keira Cedric's mouth?

• 28:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. I'm gonna love you for the rest of mine. It's one of those movies. My wife loves that movie.

• 29:04Sean Fennessey?

  Not a great one. Not a great one. Nora Ephron.

• 29:07Chris Ryan?

  Which one is he in Angelina?

• 29:09Sean Fennessey?

  That, that's Michael.

• 29:10Chris Ryan?

  Michael, and then in Powder.

• 29:11Bill Simmons?

  Michael's bad.

• 29:12Chris Ryan?

  Is he in Powder? No, he's not in Powder.

• 29:14Sean Fennessey?

  He's not in Powder.

• 29:15Bill Simmons?

  This would be a great quiz show where just it's like you try to guess the Travolta movie and what party it plays. Uh, Terry Polo, brief run here for her coming off Meet the Parents. Big role for her, probably excited when she got it. You're gonna meet a movie with John Travolta and Vince Vaughn.

• 29:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, they're gonna be fighting over you.

• 29:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 29:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, she's just like a slice of American cheese. You're just like, that was fine. All right, that's okay.

• 29:38Chris Ryan?

  She's not done any favors by this script. I don't know what she could have done with it, but yeah.

• 29:43Sean Fennessey?

  It's kind of hard to judge in general, any performance or character, because you're like, well, what did, what's not in the movie? Like, what are we missing here?

• 29:49Bill Simmons?

  Matt O'Leary was the kid. He's actually good. Screenplay by Harold Colvin. He's probably still mad about all the stuff they cut. And then Harold Becker directed this movie.

• 29:59Chris Ryan?

  Wait, isn't this screenplay by Lewis Colick?

• 30:02Bill Simmons?

  Oh, I wrote Harold Colvin down. Listen, might be Lewis Colick.

• 30:07Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's Lewis Colick.

• 30:08Bill Simmons?

  Okay.

• 30:09Chris Ryan?

  Cause he wrote a couple of movies like this, I think.

• 30:12Bill Simmons?

  So he, one of the weird director careers we've had, first big movie he directs, he's 57 years old, the young unfield. He does Taps and Vision Quest, Big Town, The Boost. You like The Boost.

• 30:25Chris Ryan?

  Sean loves The Boost.

• 30:26Bill Simmons?

  You like The Boost.

• 30:27Sean Fennessey?

  The Boost. I just saw it for the first time this year. It's amazing. Yeah.

• 30:30Bill Simmons?

  Sea of Love, which we've done on the rewatchables.

• 30:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 30:33Bill Simmons?

  Malice, which we will do on the rewatchables.

• 30:35Chris Ryan?

  So wait, Vision Quest, we've done. Sea of Love, we've done.

• 30:38Bill Simmons?

  Malice will happen.

• 30:40Chris Ryan?

  And.

• 30:40Sean Fennessey?

  I just want to say, one of my takes is that Harold Becker now has the same number of movies on the rewatchables as Stanley Kubrick.

• 30:47Chris Ryan?

  That's one of your takes. It's just a statement.

• 30:50Sean Fennessey?

  Just a fact. I don't know what category I put that in, but I put it in one of the categories.

• 30:54Bill Simmons?

  City Hall.

• 30:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I love City Hall.

• 30:56Sean Fennessey?

  You're, you're a big City Hall fan.

• 30:58Bill Simmons?

  You're the only one I know who likes City Hall.

• 30:59Chris Ryan?

  Oh, I love it.

• 31:00Bill Simmons?

  I don't remember Mercury.

• 31:01Chris Ryan?

  Our families mingling.

• 31:04Sean Fennessey?

  I always, this isn't what he says, but I always hear him say, I'm governing again.

• 31:10Bill Simmons?

  Mercury Rising 98. What was that movie?

• 31:13Chris Ryan?

  Willis.

• 31:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's a thriller with Bruce Willis. This is the movie right before this.

• 31:16Bill Simmons?

  It might have been the only movie I didn't see in 1998. And then, uh, Domestic Disturbments 01, never does another movie.

• 31:22Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, well, he was 57 when he started, so.

• 31:24Bill Simmons?

  Calls it, calls it a career after that. Seventy-five million dollar budget, made 54 million.

• 31:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. How did this movie cost 75 million?

• 31:34Bill Simmons?

  Honestly.

• 31:34Sean Fennessey?

  They built all those boats.

• 31:35Chris Ryan?

  But what was the, what did they spend this money on?

• 31:37Bill Simmons?

  Honestly, Travolta probably got like 15 to 20 million for this.

• 31:41Chris Ryan?

  Did he?

• 31:41Sean Fennessey?

  Probably.

• 31:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 31:42Sean Fennessey?

  Probably.

• 31:42Bill Simmons?

  He's a huge star in 2000.

• 31:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. That said, if this movie cost 75 million today, it would be outrageous in 2001.

• 31:51Bill Simmons?

  I think part of the reason is, uh, there was an incident that we'll mention, uh, let's mention it now. This movie became famous because there was, this, this is the Steven Seagal shitting on himself award for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot. A huge fight in April 2001 in Wilmington, North Carolina. A bar fight with Vince Vaughn, Steve Buscemi, and the, uh, screenwriter Scott Rosenberg, who was there.

• 32:18Chris Ryan?

  Do we assume that Scott Rosenberg was there because he was on set rewriting?

• 32:21Sean Fennessey?

  Rewriting, yeah. He's a, he's rewritten a lot of movies over the years.

• 32:24Bill Simmons?

  They get bombed at this bar by, according to the accounts, um, get into it with the locals. Somehow they end up going outside for some sort of fight.

• 32:30Chris Ryan?

  Well, there was a report that some guy's girlfriend starts talking to Vaughn.

• 32:34Bill Simmons?

  Believable.

• 32:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 32:36Sean Fennessey?

  I buy that, yeah.

• 32:37Bill Simmons?

  Um, there's some sort of fight. A local man gets in a fight with Buscemi and slashes him with a knife, slashes his face, um, and everyone goes to jail. Stabbed him.

• 32:51Chris Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 32:52Bill Simmons?

  Whole thing. And if you watch the movie, they have to hide Buscemi's face in a couple scenes.

• 32:56Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 32:57Bill Simmons?

  When he goes to see him in the hotel room, the whole side of the hotel room is dark for some reason.

• 33:01Chris Ryan?

  It's a completely different, like, lighting scheme than the rest of the movie.

• 33:03Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 33:04Chris Ryan?

  Um, it's actually pretty cool.

• 33:06Bill Simmons?

  And if this movie became famous for that, for this huge, huge fight, there was a trial, all kinds of shit.

• 33:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's the most well-known thing about the movie. It's a weird one. I was wondering how you guys felt about this.

• 33:18Sean Fennessey?

  If you're a big movie star, are you going to the local dive bar?

• 33:22Chris Ryan?

  I don't think anymore. I think this kind of ended that kind of stuff.

• 33:25Bill Simmons?

  You're not in the cellphone era.

• 33:26Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 33:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 33:27Bill Simmons?

  This is like the tail end of that era.

• 33:28Sean Fennessey?

  That's what I was thinking for sort of like what's aged the worst or best, like just participating in the social culture of a town while making a movie.

• 33:35Chris Ryan?

  I think you still hear stories about like, I know of like a TV show where it's like the guy from, from the TV show like just did very well for himself at bars around the city that they shot in, you know, like that kind of thing still can happen.

• 33:48Bill Simmons?

  Jon Hamm?

• 33:49Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 33:53Chris Ryan?

  But yeah, when it's like a big movie star now, I don't think like Vince Vaughn and Steve Buscemi, whatever that is now, would be like Austin Butler and Timothy Chalamet could not go to like a bar in New Orleans.

• 34:07Sean Fennessey?

  That's exactly what I'm, I'm thinking.

• 34:08Chris Ryan?

  Without like a bunch of security.

• 34:10Sean Fennessey?

  And I guess like the Shia LaBeouf's do do that and then you see what happens.

• 34:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:15Bill Simmons?

  Counter, how much fun would it be to go out with Vince Vaughn and Steve Buscemi in 2001?

• 34:20Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:21Bill Simmons?

  I'm going.

• 34:21Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 34:22Bill Simmons?

  Steve Buscemi is like, hey, can you, can you do it, Buscemi?

• 34:26Chris Ryan?

  I wasn't planning on it.

• 34:27Bill Simmons?

  Hey Vince, why don't we get after it tonight? I can't do it.

• 34:32Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, but they, they go out and they get after it and the whole thing. I remember I was in Boston.

• 34:37Sean Fennessey?

  The whole thing is they get stabbed.

• 34:38Bill Simmons?

  Well, sadly then that kept going. Uh, I remember when they were filming The Town in 09, Hamm was in Boston and I was there for my book tour and I was out with my buddy J-Bug and Hamm came out and met us with Rebecca Hall, the lady from the movie.

• 34:51Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:51Bill Simmons?

  And we had drinks and the J-Bug was, you know, we're in, we were in a discreet part in Boston and the J-Bug was just like, this is the Mad Men. This is fucking crazy. It's the guy from Mad Men. He's come out of my TV. So I can imagine like in Wilmington, North Carolina with all these people that the celebrities aren't there that much and they just see the guy from Swingers.

• 35:15Chris Ryan?

  Can I just say though?

• 35:16Bill Simmons?

  And then he's hitting on somebody's girlfriend.

• 35:17Chris Ryan?

  Real quick about this story, cause if you read about it, it does sound like this guy's girlfriend started hitting on Vince Vaughn. The guy lost his mind about it. But it sounds like Buscemi got Vince Vaughn's back and Vince Vaughn got, got Buscemi's back. Like it does sound like two guys who are like, I'm not fucking backing down.

• 35:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, sure.

• 35:35Bill Simmons?

  I love it.

• 35:37Bill Simmons?

  Um, was this like, Kye Fitz's wedding was like this?

• 35:40Speaker 04

  Bar fight downtown DC?

• 35:42Bill Simmons?

  With the locals like coming at you guys at all or no? Like, is that Danny Kelly? Hey, motherfucker.

• 35:46Speaker 04

  I heard what you said about the Chargers.

• 35:49Chris Ryan?

  Was there a lot of NFL media at Kye Fitz's wedding?

• 35:51Speaker 04

  No.

• 35:52Chris Ryan?

  So Daniel Jeremiah wasn't getting in the mix?

• 35:55Sean Fennessey?

  You got in a knife fight with Daniel Jeremiah?

• 35:57Speaker 04

  That's move the sticks!

• 35:58Bill Simmons?

  That'd be amazing.

• 35:58Speaker 04

  He's incredible with a blade! Kye Fitz would back you up in a bar fight. I would want him on my side. Kye Fitz would? Yeah, for sure.

• 36:03Sean Fennessey?

  I played basketball with him. He's violent.

• 36:05Chris Ryan?

  I can also see Kye Fitz getting us into a bar fight, which is the problem.

• 36:09Bill Simmons?

  Well, we're gonna have a Ringer Awards at the end of this year. And one of the awards is Ringer Character of the Year. And Kye Fitz and Raheem Palmer are now in the finals for working out after the Knicks game in Sweden at 5:00 in the morning, going immediately to a gym and getting a lift in.

• 36:25Chris Ryan?

  Will Max and Rich be doing this award? Will they be giving it away?

• 36:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Max and Rich are gonna host the award show.

• 36:31Bill Simmons?

  And Van's gonna be upset that he wasn't nominated for more awards. He's like, what else do I need to do?

• 36:37Bill Simmons?

  Roger Ebert for this movie, one and a half stars.

• 36:41Bill Simmons?

  So we've got it. Last week-

• 36:43Chris Ryan?

  Wait, he liked it more than Good Son?

• 36:44Bill Simmons?

  Last week, Good Son was a half star when we recorded that. You haven't heard that yet. This was one and a half. He wrote, "The movie is a paid holiday for its director, Harold Becker."

• 36:55Bill Simmons?

  "I say this because I know what Becker is capable of."

• 36:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 36:58Bill Simmons?

  He's so disappointed.

• 36:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 37:00Bill Simmons?

  Tough one. And then he said, "The final confrontation, so badly choreographed that I was not the least bit surprised when the studio called to say the Chicago critics had, quote, 'seen the wrong last reel. Would we like to see the correct reel on Monday? I agreed eagerly, expecting revised footage, but no. The only problem was the earlier reel was lacking the final music mix." So he must have been fucking furious.

• 37:25Chris Ryan?

  He had to go see this movie fucking like one and a half times.

• 37:27Bill Simmons?

  Twice in a week? Imagine watching this twice in 72 hours?

• 37:30Sean Fennessey?

  I would have been fucking pissed.

• 37:32Bill Simmons?

  From hell. Alright, we're gonna take a break and then do most rewatchable or unwatchable scene. This episode is brought to by Ethos. As a parent, life insurance feels like a no brainer. It just gives me peace of mind knowing my family will be taken care of. And Ethos makes getting it fast and easy. Apply online in minutes. Get up to 3 million in coverage with no medical exam, just a few simple health questions. Take 10 minutes to get covered today with life insurance through Ethos. Get your free quote at ethos.com/rewatch. That is E T H O S dot com slash rewatch. Application times may vary, rates may vary. All right. Most rewatchable scene. I like when Rick goes boating with the boys.

• 38:16Sean Fennessey?

  Definitely.

• 38:16Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 38:18Bill Simmons?

  And they're establishing Frank's just, he's just a great first dad.

• 38:21Chris Ryan?

  Have you guys ever believed someone less than when Vince Vaughn says, "I'm not trying to be his dad, but I would like to be his friend."

• 38:32Chris Ryan?

  I can't hear him say a single thing and take him seriously.

• 38:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 38:38Sean Fennessey?

  I can only hear the rival newscaster from Anchorman that he plays, you know? Is it Vince Mantut? Yeah. Dorothy Mantut is a saint. He's just doing that performance in this movie.

• 38:51Bill Simmons?

  As, as a child of divorce, I do love the first dad, second dad dynamic, right?

• 38:56Sean Fennessey?

  Can we talk about this choice in this scene?

• 38:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 38:58Sean Fennessey?

  Cause obviously Travolta's character is not thrilled about the idea of taking his son's stepfather on a three man boat tour.

• 39:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 39:07Sean Fennessey?

  Is there any situation in which you and either your mom or your dad and your step parent would have an experience like that? Because that would be very unlikely for me as a child of divorce.

• 39:18Bill Simmons?

  As I've, we've talked about divorce in the past. My situation was a little unusual because my parents would get together like for my, but they were pretty friendly.

• 39:27Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 39:27Bill Simmons?

  With that said, my dad and my stepdad and myself never would have gone out and done.

• 39:31Chris Ryan?

  You guys would never do a Sox game.

• 39:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, there's some sort of a line that I think.

• 39:35Chris Ryan?

  There's a missing element to this scene where it's like Travolta should have like been taking some rough waves and bouncing him around a little bit and just been like, what? I don't know. I mean, it's just, it's choppy out here today, you know?

• 39:46Sean Fennessey?

  Right, right, right.

• 39:47Bill Simmons?

  Or the other thing, because with this, I mean, this movie misses so many things that would have been good. We almost needed a creative committee. But like ultimately, like you're the first dad and this new guy comes in and he's a swinging dick. He's taller than you, like he's younger than you. He's more successful than you. Like there's places that could go. Where Travolta, even on the boat, like, they should have made Vince Vaughn like, oh, this guy's actually amazing on boats and Travolta's doing something wrong and so let me, let me step in here.

• 40:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 40:18Bill Simmons?

  Travolta and he's just better at him.

• 40:20Chris Ryan?

  You didn't do it not right. Yeah.

• 40:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, yeah. And it's just they, they didn't hit that for some reason.

• 40:25Sean Fennessey?

  I, I think part of the issue is that, uh, Rick Jack, you know, just the Vaughn character.

• 40:30Bill Simmons?

  Rick Jack.

• 40:31Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I just don't get, I don't get anything about him. Like, I don't understand who he really is in any way.

• 40:39Bill Simmons?

  What were his investments?

• 40:40Sean Fennessey?

  The movie doesn't explain like the crimes that he did, where he comes from. Is he like a scumbag? Is he a guy who got caught up in a problematic situation and then it drove him crazy and it made him violent?

• 40:52Chris Ryan?

  It was racketeering, Sean. It was a racketeering charge, but he skated and took all the money. These guys did time and then Ray gets out.

• 41:00Bill Simmons?

  These guys did time, but somehow didn't blow the whistle on him and he was able to escape because this is early internet.

• 41:06Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 41:06Bill Simmons?

  You could just change your name.

• 41:08Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 41:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. And just like, is he malevolent or is he like forced to become more and more evil? Like it's a little, it's just all of that stuff is unclear.

• 41:17Bill Simmons?

  Maybe not evil at all. He just needed to get rid of Buscemi. Cause they, they make this like he's a murderer. It's like, well, we only see, saw him murder one person.

• 41:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, but then he's got his forearm braced against a 14 year old in a bedroom and you're like, all right, well, maybe this guy's kind of a psycho.

• 41:30Chris Ryan?

  Bad dream, man.

• 41:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. That's the thing. They needed like two more murders with him.

• 41:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 41:34Bill Simmons?

  Like he needed to also kill the prostitute and.

• 41:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 41:37Bill Simmons?

  You know, we needed to ramp it up.

• 41:39Chris Ryan?

  The motel manager.

• 41:40Bill Simmons?

  The motel manager should have died.

• 41:41Sean Fennessey?

  Shoot him in the head.

• 41:42Bill Simmons?

  The, uh, the wedding, the moment Buscemi shows up, this movie takes off.

• 41:47Sean Fennessey?

  So good.

• 41:48Bill Simmons?

  I'm giving him the Todd Parker award for best character entrance.

• 41:50Sean Fennessey?

  Oh.

• 41:51Chris Ryan?

  Another hysterical Vaughn moment where he's like, thanks for dressing up.

• 41:57Sean Fennessey?

  That felt so improv too.

• 41:59Bill Simmons?

  And Travolta's like. Chevalta, who's both the dumbest guy in the world, but is also like incredibly astute, like immediately sniffs out like, huh, this guy, what's going on here? Goes to talk to him. I could have spent more time at the wedding. Honestly, I would have loved to have seen the best man speech. See, this is another missed opportunity. He should have asked Danny to be the best man. And Danny could have given like a super awkward best man speech, say, like, I just, this stuff isn't hard. Scott Rosenberg, what are you doing on set?

• 42:29Chris Ryan?

  Getting in bar fights.

• 42:30Sean Fennessey?

  That's true. He was traumatized.

• 42:32Bill Simmons?

  The baseball catch scene. Did Vince win the Mitch Kramer Award for worst athletic? He does, right?

• 42:38Sean Fennessey?

  Boy, that's disappointing. That's really disappointing.

• 42:40Bill Simmons?

  Why is he throwing it like this?

• 42:41Chris Ryan?

  Cause he's not bad in Wedding Crashers, playing football. No, he's pretty good. Yeah.

• 42:45Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, he's a big guy. He looks like an athlete.

• 42:48Chris Ryan?

  I think maybe he was-

• 42:49Bill Simmons?

  Jamie O'Hara in Rudy.

• 42:50Chris Ryan?

  He was taking like a bunch of miles per hour off because he didn't want to hurt the kid.

• 42:54Sean Fennessey?

  The release point is real weird.

• 42:55Chris Ryan?

  I wonder-

• 42:56Speaker 04

  It's like out wide. It's really odd.

• 42:57Chris Ryan?

  I don't know how a six foot five guy having catch with a 12 year old, you have to like, adjust your throwing.

• 43:03Sean Fennessey?

  Wow, look at you. You got his back. You got Wes Mantho's back.

• 43:06Bill Simmons?

  No, there's two options. One-

• 43:08Chris Ryan?

  Rick Barnes is a saint.

• 43:11Sean Fennessey?

  Jack Barnell.

• 43:13Chris Ryan?

  Is it Jack Barnell?

• 43:14Bill Simmons?

  Rick Barnes.

• 43:14Chris Ryan?

  Rick Barnes. Do you think they were just like, I love UT? Rick Barnes, he doesn't get far in the tournament, but man, he always qualifies.

• 43:26Bill Simmons?

  There's two choices here because I find it hard to believe Vince Vaughn can't throw a baseball. One is that he threw his arm out in the baseball catch scene. And like had a sore arm. And you have a sore arm, you gotta start throwing sideways.

• 43:38Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 43:38Bill Simmons?

  The other is bar fight, maybe he was, had a fucked up shoulder for a bar fight.

• 43:42Chris Ryan?

  Maybe.

• 43:42Sean Fennessey?

  Could be.

• 43:44Bill Simmons?

  I'd love to ask him. It'd be the first question, if Vince Vaughn ever came on the pod, it'd be like, hey, thanks for coming up, Vince. Domestic disturbance, what happened? With the throwing?

• 43:52Speaker 04

  Something's up. Cause he definitely has a better throwing motion than that.

• 43:55Bill Simmons?

  It's, it's, when they start doing the side, that either means they have a torn rotator cuff or they don't know how to throw a baseball.

• 44:01Sean Fennessey?

  I'll tell you what, though. His performance in the scene is riveting. It's like the best scene in the movie.

• 44:04Bill Simmons?

  I could have watched five more minutes of it. And then Danny just whips the ball through the window. It's like, is Danny a psycho? What, what's that?

• 44:12Chris Ryan?

  No, I mean Vince Vaughn was just basically like, clean, clean this shit up. I'm not playing it.

• 44:16Speaker 04

  Like when he throws his glove at him.

• 44:18Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 44:20Sean Fennessey?

  Both gloves, by the way.

• 44:21Bill Simmons?

  This movie is awesome. How do you guys not love this movie?

• 44:23Sean Fennessey?

  This scene is great. Both gloves look like they were purchased that day. Like, there is just no wear on either of those mitts.

• 44:28Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah? The glove's not broken in yet?

• 44:31Bill Simmons?

  Dad's such a good athlete. Why didn't he teach you how to throw a ball, Danny?

• 44:35Speaker 04

  Who's your dad? Shaquille O'Neal?

• 44:36Bill Simmons?

  I'm going over here, I'm going over there.

• 44:42Sean Fennessey?

  It's because he's just doing Vince Vaughn. It's the only time in the movie where he's really cooking like that.

• 44:46Bill Simmons?

  I wish he had done five more scenes like that. They're making him dinner. He's like, I don't know, I thought a cheeseburger was supposed to be red. Maybe I'm wrong.

• 44:58Bill Simmons?

  Travolta runs into Buscemi at the coffee shop.

• 45:02Speaker 04

  Unbelievable.

• 45:03Bill Simmons?

  Into Vaughn, going to see Buscemi. And, uh,

• 45:09Bill Simmons?

  I forget who he says this to, but I wrote it down. When Buscemi says, you know what I'm noticing? Haven't seen any adult bookstores around here.

• 45:16Speaker 04

  He says it to Travolta.

• 45:19Bill Simmons?

  What is that?

• 45:20Speaker 04

  He's basically doing his Fargo character.

• 45:22Bill Simmons?

  Yes, he is.

• 45:23Speaker 04

  No kidding. I kid you not.

• 45:24Sean Fennessey?

  I kid you not.

• 45:25Bill Simmons?

  He definitely probably got overpaid to be in this movie.

• 45:28Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 45:28Bill Simmons?

  It's like, he's still hot off Fargo.

• 45:29Speaker 04

  I think he fucking paid for it, though. I mean, like, I'm sure he would have given this one back.

• 45:33Sean Fennessey?

  But he honestly brings the absolute best of Buscemi.

• 45:35Speaker 04

  Well, that leads into the next, my next favorite scene, which is Ray watching hoops with a hooker.

• 45:43Speaker 04

  And he's just like, when he finds out he's gonna get paid, he just slaps her ass. And then he fucking turns on the DePaul game and he's like, what did I miss?

• 45:55Speaker 04

  Which, like, it was off. How did, how would she know?

• 45:58Sean Fennessey?

  Well, he's expecting her to catch him up on what happened in the game.

• 46:01Speaker 04

  She's like, Stephen Hunter just added three. It was great.

• 46:06Bill Simmons?

  Oh, man.

• 46:08Sean Fennessey?

  This section of the movie.

• 46:10Bill Simmons?

  It's a lead.

• 46:11Sean Fennessey?

  Awesome.

• 46:11Bill Simmons?

  Danny sneaks into the car. Buscemi gets stabbed.

• 46:16Speaker 04

  Is it a screwdriver?

• 46:17Chris Ryan?

  Ice pick.

• 46:18Speaker 04

  Ice pick?

• 46:19Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 46:20Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 46:20Bill Simmons?

  The rare non-blood stabbing?

• 46:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:23Bill Simmons?

  Through the leather jacket must have absorbed a lot of the blood and then all of a sudden we have an incinerator. Because the Southport Brickworks has just an awesome incinerator that's going at all times.

• 46:33Chris Ryan?

  Industrial kiln.

• 46:33Bill Simmons?

  Huge. Just going.

• 46:34Speaker 04

  The death is staged well, where Buscemi sees the kid and gets stabbed and the way it's shot, it's not bad.

• 46:39Sean Fennessey?

  I agree. There's, there are moments in the movie where you can feel like a lot of real craftsp people, very similar to the conversation about the good son where you're like, a lot of overqualified, like 55 year old yeoman Hollywood people making this movie.

• 46:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, sure.

• 46:51Sean Fennessey?

  But the editing is where you can feel like getting diced up. But that sequence is cool. Basically, the movie is kinda working, I would say, all the way up to the murder.

• 46:59Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 46:59Sean Fennessey?

  And then as soon as the investigation starts, you start to be like, what the fuck?

• 47:04Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that's where you really feel that.

• 47:06Chris Ryan?

  It's when the cops come in, basically. You're just like, oh, this is stupid now.

• 47:08Bill Simmons?

  So there's a DVD with deleted scenes. And I didn't realize that till yesterday. I was gonna like speed order it and it would've gotten there until Wednesday. So then my wife was at the Grove yesterday and I'm like, true story. I was like, hey, can you go to the Barnes and Noble? And go to the DVD section and get me Domestic Disturbance? So I was like, it's Domestic Disturbance 2001 with John Travolta. And, uh, and she texted me and she said they don't have it.

• 47:36Sean Fennessey?

  Well, um, I'm happy to share with you after the fact that I own it on Blu-ray and.

• 47:41Chris Ryan?

  Did you watch any deleted scenes?

• 47:42Sean Fennessey?

  I watched the commentary with Harold Becker.

• 47:44Bill Simmons?

  Oh, which was apparently terrible.

• 47:46Sean Fennessey?

  Is a disaster. Frequently like, wait, did you do this? Did you watch the Knicks? Then Domestic Disturbance?

• 47:53Bill Simmons?

  No, no.

• 47:54Sean Fennessey?

  I watched the Knicks. Excuse me. I watched Domestic Disturbance in the afternoon, watched the Knicks game, then went downstairs, put on the Domestic Disturbance commentary and started doing notes for the pod. And I'm, I'm like listening to it while I'm taking notes and this is Harold Becker's performance. He's like, oh yeah, here we see, uh, these beautiful boats down in Wilmington.

• 48:16Sean Fennessey?

  Really proud of this. I'm really, I really like these, uh, these, these credits that we made for this film, you know, great credit maker, uh, his name's, uh, Michael Hogarth. He's a wonderful guy. And, uh, oh yeah, here we see John Travolta. Interesting scene here. Like what? Like just completely has no idea that his movie is a fiasco. Like has no idea that there's like a bar fight. Like there's, there's no acknowledgement of any of that stuff. It's one of those commentaries too, where like long stretches of the commentary are just scenes from the movie with no one talking over it. So it's like he recorded like 48 minutes of content on a 79 minute movie. Very bad.

• 48:50Bill Simmons?

  I went and found the DVD where they have those like big reviews where they even review like the deleted scenes and stuff. Cause I, I really wanted to find out what was in the deleted scenes. Like this was an hour and a half of my day yesterday. It's like, I gotta find out what they cut out. I couldn't find it out. But somebody reviewed this and they said the same thing about Becker. It was like, the commentary is bad. There's long stretches where Harold doesn't say anything.

• 49:14Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 49:15Bill Simmons?

  Um, and then the deleted scenes, I guess were probably deleted for a reason for the most part, but

• 49:20Sean Fennessey?

  It's weird too.

• 49:20Bill Simmons?

  We'll just never know.

• 49:21Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, like you listed his movies, like he's made some really good movies. His movies, you know, Onion Field is a legitimately great movie.

• 49:28Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 49:28Sean Fennessey?

  Um, and I like, really liked The Black Marble, one of his first movies. He's made some really cool stuff over the years. Vision Quest, rewatchable?

• 49:35Bill Simmons?

  Top 12 sports movies of all time.

• 49:37Sean Fennessey?

  Taps is like, that's

• 49:38Chris Ryan?

  Taps is great.

• 49:38Bill Simmons?

  Were you producing when we did Vision Quest?

• 49:40Sean Fennessey?

  Of course.

• 49:42Bill Simmons?

  The movie's fantastic.

• 49:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. The, the lap pull down scene.

• 49:44Chris Ryan?

  One of the goat risolo performances.

• 49:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. He was great on that one.

• 49:47Sean Fennessey?

  Um, so yeah, it's kind of disappointing. He's like losing the fastball in real time.

• 49:52Bill Simmons?

  Too bad. Well, evil Vince going into Danny's room.

• 49:58Bill Simmons?

  The old locked one door, didn't lock the other door trick. Locked one of my two bedroom doors. What a moron this kid was.

• 50:04Sean Fennessey?

  It is the first from hell scene though.

• 50:07Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 50:07Sean Fennessey?

  In the movie where you're like, oh, it's not just that he had to murder his co-conspirator in a racketeering scam. He's actually now menacing this young boy.

• 50:15Bill Simmons?

  Uh, one of my favorite scenes of the movie and also probably the funniest scene in the movie. Frank punches a guy outside of the school.

• 50:21Chris Ryan?

  It's just the best.

• 50:22Bill Simmons?

  Gets it in the car.

• 50:23Chris Ryan?

  That guy has not been in the film before. Is no longer. And the way that like he knocks him down and he fucking square punches him in the face outside of his school. And the way the scene ends is Terry Pollock going, sorry, Mike.

• 50:36Bill Simmons?

  No, then it goes to him in the car and they're driving away and the son goes, Dad, that was cool. And Travolta goes, Danny, don't you realize what I've just done? It's called kidnapping.

• 50:47Bill Simmons?

  And it's like, how did they, how did this stay in the movie?

• 50:50Chris Ryan?

  The cops care about. They're like, oh, we got a punch thrown outside of the school.

• 50:54Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 50:54Chris Ryan?

  Shut down the roads.

• 50:56Bill Simmons?

  You know what I've just done? It's called kidnapping. What an amazing movie this is. Uh, the boat has fire. The mom realizing Rick is a bad guy. And then, um.

• 51:06Chris Ryan?

  I like the, I like the wallet scene. When, when Rick realizes that Danny took his wallet. And he's just like, you're a little fucking liar, aren't you, Danny?

• 51:16Sean Fennessey?

  Well, we skipped over Danny's betrayal of his father on the witness stand.

• 51:19Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:19Sean Fennessey?

  Just an absolute nightmare. One of the most nightmare sequences in movie history. How fucking dare he?

• 51:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I don't know. If Ben did that, I don't know if I'm bouncing back. It's like, Dad, can I have $20?

• 51:30Chris Ryan?

  He's scared. If Ben's gonna die. I get it. He just saw murder. If you, if you keep this up.

• 51:34Speaker 04

  He just saw murder. He's like, I'm gonna kill your dad next.

• 51:38Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know, man. I couldn't be me. Couldn't.

• 51:41Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I would never turn to my dad.

• 51:44Bill Simmons?

  Eber wrote about the final confrontation. This, the speech that Vince does. This speech provides additional information that is desperately unwanted in a way that inspires only bad laughs from the audience. Just when you want to end the movie without any more stumbles. It's really bad. It's all confined in a garage for some reason.

• 52:04Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 52:05Sean Fennessey?

  Where does it? I mean, it feels like like an eighties canon movie where it's like, it's just so awful. The action staging.

• 52:12Chris Ryan?

  Well, there's actually, it's kind of funny because there's no storytelling that suggests there would be a better ending. Like, we don't know anything about this guy, so it's not like, oh, and of course he died doing this, which was always his fatal flaw. It's like, oh, he hit a fucking electrical box with a, what is it? A wrench?

• 52:29Sean Fennessey?

  A crowbar, yeah.

• 52:29Chris Ryan?

  Crowbar?

• 52:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, would you even die from that?

• 52:31Chris Ryan?

  I don't even know. Let's find out.

• 52:33Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, the crowbar is literally resting on top of the fuse box. It's not even, though it is like pierced into the wiring or anything. It's ridiculous.

• 52:40Bill Simmons?

  This is one of the many reasons I love this movie, though. They spent $75 million on it. And the last 20 minutes just becomes a Lifetime TV movie being filmed in Winnipeg.

• 52:50Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 52:50Bill Simmons?

  Where they're just like, we figured it out. We could film every scene in one day. We'll get everybody out of here.

• 52:57Sean Fennessey?

  But this movie, it does have the Netflix, like, um, modern true crime thing that you love, though, where it's like, my stepfather is beloved by the Chamber of Commerce, but not by me.

• 53:06Bill Simmons?

  Right. Coming up next. What do you have for most rewatchable?

• 53:09Chris Ryan?

  Catch. Playing Catch.

• 53:12Sean Fennessey?

  Catch is pretty, is probably my pick. I do like the kill scene, like Craig said.

• 53:16Bill Simmons?

  I like kill scenes as well.

• 53:17Sean Fennessey?

  It's really good.

• 53:17Bill Simmons?

  I like the incinerator. I like Danny trying to figure out how to get out of the car. Somehow the car light not going on in the car when you open the door, first car in the last 30 years that usually the car light goes on.

• 53:30Bill Simmons?

  Most 2001 thing about this movie, I had either MSN news searches. Or, uh, just easily being able to change your identity with no repercussions.

• 53:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 53:40Bill Simmons?

  I don't think you could do that now.

• 53:40Chris Ryan?

  Slow loading websites on probably dial up internet or hardwired internet and also just like casual Shaquille O'Neal references.

• 53:48Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 53:49Sean Fennessey?

  Good one.

• 53:49Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Who would that be? He'd be, who am I, Victor Wimandyama? That's what he'd say, yeah.

• 53:54Sean Fennessey?

  Too soon, Bill.

• 53:55Bill Simmons?

  Oh, sorry, Sean.

• 53:56Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I also had just Steve Buscemi as a dirtbag criminal stealing the movie. That's just in that zone. That was what he did.

• 54:04Bill Simmons?

  Probably not even in his top 10 of dirtbag criminals stealing a movie. Floyd Gondally Butter on My Ass, Lollapops in My Mouth Award for something I just enjoy. I have a good one for this.

• 54:14Chris Ryan?

  I just have Vince Vaughn bullying children, but I also agree with Sean that Steve, Steve Buscemi playing a dirtbag is just, I'll, I'll watch.

• 54:21Sean Fennessey?

  Always works. Um, I wrote, I love when John Travolta tries to get mean in movies.

• 54:25Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 54:26Sean Fennessey?

  You know, where he's like, if you touch a hair on my son's head, you know, he's trying to do like Mel Gibson in Ransom, but he just does not have that gear at all.

• 54:33Bill Simmons?

  No. I have, uh, this is really special to me. When a hooker complains to our hero that the bad guy liked watching TV more than he liked getting laid.

• 54:47Bill Simmons?

  It's it's like about it's character development crossed with some sort of weird complaint that this guy is such a psycho.

• 54:54Chris Ryan?

  It's kind of like the reverse of Bull Durham when Nuke is like, we didn't fuck, man. We should just read poetry all night.

• 55:00Sean Fennessey?

  But it feels like a direct sequel to the scene in Fargo when they take the two prostitutes back to the motel room and then they have that cut to them watching Jay Leno or whatever later that night.

• 55:10Bill Simmons?

  Forty Eight Hours has that with Gans.

• 55:11Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 55:12Bill Simmons?

  The lady says that, huh? He likes shooting cops a whole lot more than he likes getting laid.

• 55:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 55:17Bill Simmons?

  I here's my here's my defense of these guys in these movies. I would argue they do like getting laid because they're paying for a prostitute.

• 55:24Chris Ryan?

  And it's the girlfriend.

• 55:25Bill Simmons?

  Obviously, they like it a little bit.

• 55:26Chris Ryan?

  Girlfriend experiences take part in my rituals, you know, like share my passions, my hobbies.

• 55:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 55:31Chris Ryan?

  I love hoops.

• 55:31Sean Fennessey?

  Tell us what you do.

• 55:33Bill Simmons?

  Like, sorry prostitutes, these guys have simple, they're simple dudes. He likes college basketball, getting laid.

• 55:39Sean Fennessey?

  We.

• 55:39Bill Simmons?

  And racketeering. Those are his three things.

• 55:41Sean Fennessey?

  Can we talk about Ray's plan, though?

• 55:44Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, what was Ray's plan?

• 55:45Chris Ryan?

  To get paid off to go away.

• 55:46Sean Fennessey?

  But so Ray is like, here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna show up in town and I'm gonna get a motel room and I'm gonna wait around as long as possible and make him uncomfortable without actually doing anything. But I've been told by Rick Jack that I am not allowed to go out into in public in the town and get some eggs. Like, that is.

• 56:05Chris Ryan?

  Well, the problem is, is, you know, we got we got Frank snooping around. So he's like, you cannot be in town. People are gonna start asking questions and you're too candid, you know, like you're too unrefined for this place.

• 56:18Sean Fennessey?

  But Ray actually thinks that he's just gonna get paid off by Rick Jack and it's just gonna work?

• 56:23Chris Ryan?

  He spent a lot of time in inside, you know? Maybe he doesn't, his reflexes are dulled.

• 56:28Bill Simmons?

  Do you have a Floyd Gondoli from this movie or no?

• 56:31Chris Ryan?

  Oh, um.

• 56:35Bill Simmons?

  Gondoli?

• 56:35Chris Ryan?

  Probably just.

• 56:36Bill Simmons?

  Gondoli?

• 56:36Chris Ryan?

  It's probably Dirtbag Buscemi. I did feel like I got a little sequel to Fargo for 10 minutes that was really enjoyable.

• 56:41Sean Fennessey?

  It's nice.

• 56:42Bill Simmons?

  Needed stormer. Stormer.

• 56:46Sean Fennessey?

  Peter Stormer.

• 56:47Bill Simmons?

  What stage is the best?

• 56:50Bill Simmons?

  Uh, the comedy of Sinister Vince Vaughn, Travolta, and then just what a absolute shitty son Danny is. Danny sucks.

• 56:59Sean Fennessey?

  Terrible.

• 57:00Bill Simmons?

  I mean, admittedly, bad age for little boys, twelve, thirteen.

• 57:04Sean Fennessey?

  Good actor though.

• 57:05Bill Simmons?

  Good actor, Matt O'Leary, really good. Um, but just kinda sucks and turns on his dad at one point and, um, I don't know, it felt like he could have defended his mom better at the end.

• 57:14Sean Fennessey?

  It seemed like a pretty good sailor.

• 57:16Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, solid sailor. Like, just dumped his basketball team at the start of the movie.

• 57:22Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 57:22Bill Simmons?

  It's like, where's Danny? I don't know. Oh, he was doing a weird, his stowaway fetish again.

• 57:27Sean Fennessey?

  Huge sports movie.

• 57:28Bill Simmons?

  Climbing the cars.

• 57:29Sean Fennessey?

  Incredible sports movie.

• 57:30Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Um, Travolta punching a meddling parrot is aged the best. Baseball catch. Uh, I wrote down last stand for hairlines for Travolta and Vince.

• 57:40Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 57:41Bill Simmons?

  Travolta's got, it's all the way back in the sides.

• 57:44Chris Ryan?

  It's the remnants of the.

• 57:45Bill Simmons?

  Up front with a little bit mullet in the back.

• 57:48Chris Ryan?

  It's the remnants of the Vincent Vega, right?

• 57:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's about to go to into toupee land and then Vince, it's really going back, but Vince has a full head of hair like.

• 57:57Chris Ryan?

  Do you think they should have made more of Travolta and Buscemi in a diner as an echo of Pulp Fiction? When Buscemi's Travolta's waiter?

• 58:06Bill Simmons?

  No question. I would have just told them to add the Harold Becker was.

• 58:10Chris Ryan?

  Like, ask for a vanilla Coke or whatever.

• 58:11Bill Simmons?

  At that point. What do you have for what's aged the best, anything?

• 58:14Sean Fennessey?

  This ending Vince Vaughn's career is a dramatic star.

• 58:17Chris Ryan?

  You think that's aged the best?

• 58:18Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think that's a good answer.

• 58:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, because it kicks off a great run.

• 58:21Chris Ryan?

  Right.

• 58:23Bill Simmons?

  Anything?

• 58:23Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I had, uh,

• 58:27Chris Ryan?

  Buscemi playing, uh, needle dick, low level hood who likes prostitutes and, uh, a pretty straightforward, old school, likable Travolta performance, which you don't get a lot after this.

• 58:36Bill Simmons?

  I had, uh, scumbag characters named Ray.

• 58:39Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's great, great name for.

• 58:40Bill Simmons?

  Is Ray the best scumbag name? Is there a better one?

• 58:44Chris Ryan?

  I mean, Ray definitely, his nickname is slick, you know? Like, it is, it is.

• 58:49Bill Simmons?

  Like, there's no, there's no hero of a movie named Ray that I can think of. It's usually like, oh. Like, what was that, that show we liked with Kyle Chandler?

• 58:59Bill Simmons?

  Bloodline?

• 58:59Chris Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 59:00Bill Simmons?

  Was that what it's called? No, Bloodline?

• 59:02Speaker 04

  Bloodline, yeah.

• 59:03Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:03Bill Simmons?

  Was the scumbag brother, was his name Ray?

• 59:06Chris Ryan?

  I think so.

• 59:06Bill Simmons?

  Could have been.

• 59:06Chris Ryan?

  Yes. Yeah.

• 59:08Bill Simmons?

  Anytime it's like, my brother Ray's back in town, it's like, oh boy buckle up.

• 59:11Chris Ryan?

  The two good Rays, Ray Charles.

• 59:14Bill Simmons?

  Ray Allen.

• 59:14Chris Ryan?

  And Ray from Field of Dreams.

• 59:16Bill Simmons?

  Ray Kinsella.

• 59:17Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 59:18Speaker 04

  Ray Romano?

• 59:19Chris Ryan?

  But I mean, like a character name.

• 59:21Speaker 04

  He's Ray Barone.

• 59:22Sean Fennessey?

  That's Raymond.

• 59:23Speaker 04

  In that show.

• 59:24Chris Ryan?

  Oh, right.

• 59:24Speaker 04

  But he goes by Ray.

• 59:25Sean Fennessey?

  He does.

• 59:27Bill Simmons?

  I thought everybody loved Raymond. Funny people, anybody?

• 59:30Sean Fennessey?

  Underrated dirtbag name in movies is Dennis. There's always like a Dennis.

• 59:35Bill Simmons?

  Dennis Peck.

• 59:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:39Sean Fennessey?

  You don't come across a lot of Dennis's these days.

• 59:41Bill Simmons?

  No. What are the dirtbag names? I think Ray, I know right away. Frank could go either way, though. Like Frank's the good guy in this movie.

• 59:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but barely.

• 59:51Bill Simmons?

  Ray, I'm pretty sure you're a fuck up.

• 59:53Sean Fennessey?

  Well, there's always like the last name versions of it too, like Hutch or Slater. Where you're like, oh, this guy, he's on the wrong side of the law.

• 1:00:02Bill Simmons?

  Great Shot Gordo Award? It's gotta be Buscemi getting stabbed, right?

• 1:00:05Chris Ryan?

  I had Rick Shadow emerging on Danny's wall after he closes the door.

• 1:00:09Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 1:00:09Chris Ryan?

  But this is not exactly.

• 1:00:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:11Chris Ryan?

  North by Northwest.

• 1:00:12Sean Fennessey?

  I had kind of an inverted Great Shot Gordo, because it's the worst shot in the movie, but it's like, there's a hold on the the crowbar resting on top of the fuse box. It's like, and Vince Vaughn's like fake electrocuting himself.

• 1:00:23Chris Ryan?

  That's.

• 1:00:23Bill Simmons?

  Worst shot Gordo.

• 1:00:24Chris Ryan?

  He fucking no sells that electrocution. He's just like.

• 1:00:28Bill Simmons?

  No. At that point, he just wants to get out of North Carolina.

• 1:00:31Chris Ryan?

  He's like a man of fucking bar fight. Let me get out of here.

• 1:00:35Bill Simmons?

  Chess Rockwell Brock Lander's a word, best character name, Rick Barnes?

• 1:00:38Chris Ryan?

  Absolutely.

• 1:00:39Bill Simmons?

  Has to be, right?

• 1:00:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:41Bill Simmons?

  I think he's probably coaching Providence around that. I don't know if he's at Texas yet.

• 1:00:44Sean Fennessey?

  Oh.

• 1:00:44Chris Ryan?

  Oh, five? Or no, oh, one?

• 1:00:46Bill Simmons?

  Oh, one.

• 1:00:46Speaker 04

  He's at Texas.

• 1:00:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, when did Katie go to Texas?

• 1:00:50Speaker 04

  He's in Texas in the nineties, right?

• 1:00:52Bill Simmons?

  Is he?

• 1:00:52Chris Ryan?

  He goes Texas UT, and now he's where?

• 1:00:54Speaker 04

  He's at Tennessee now.

• 1:00:55Chris Ryan?

  Tennessee.

• 1:00:56Bill Simmons?

  He was Providence initially.

• 1:00:57Chris Ryan?

  Rick Barnes is at Providence?

• 1:00:58Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, wasn't he?

• 1:00:59Chris Ryan?

  Was he Dodge Ham Gods coach?

• 1:01:01Bill Simmons?

  That was his first.

• 1:01:02Chris Ryan?

  I thought Patino was at Providence.

• 1:01:04Bill Simmons?

  See, now we're gonna have to look this up.

• 1:01:05Speaker 04

  Texas ninety-eight to twenty fifteen, and then Tennessee since. And he was at Providence eighty-eight to ninety-four.

• 1:01:11Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 1:01:11Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 1:01:12Chris Ryan?

  Okay. When was Patino at Providence?

• 1:01:14Bill Simmons?

  Earlier.

• 1:01:15Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:01:17Bill Simmons?

  Um, a category we brought back that I don't know why it ever went away, but could this movie have had a better title? Domestic Disturbance is an awful title.

• 1:01:27Chris Ryan?

  There's not a domestic disturbance in this movie.

• 1:01:30Sean Fennessey?

  Very bad.

• 1:01:30Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:30Bill Simmons?

  Really awful? Um, Not My Father?

• 1:01:35Sean Fennessey?

  Well, The Steppfather's Taken.

• 1:01:37Chris Ryan?

  Step murderer?

• 1:01:40Sean Fennessey?

  That's great.

• 1:01:41Bill Simmons?

  What about Southport?

• 1:01:42Sean Fennessey?

  So I wrote the Southport lie.

• 1:01:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:45Bill Simmons?

  Southport Lie?

• 1:01:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I love when you put the, the town in the title and then you like, but whose lie is it? Was it Danny's lie? Was it Rick Jack's lie?

• 1:01:52Bill Simmons?

  Southport Lie.

• 1:01:53Chris Ryan?

  What about The Boatyard?

• 1:01:55Sean Fennessey?

  That's good, too. I like that.

• 1:01:57Bill Simmons?

  What about, for Netflix, it would be This Is My Family.

• 1:02:02Sean Fennessey?

  Colon, the Rick Jack story.

• 1:02:03Bill Simmons?

  Vince Vaughn with like a scary look on his face.

• 1:02:05Sean Fennessey?

  I, I just wrote The Boy Who Cried Wolf. I feel like that would have worked.

• 1:02:09Bill Simmons?

  Oh, which one do you like out of those?

• 1:02:11Chris Ryan?

  What about Joint Custody?

• 1:02:12Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, that's great. That's great. I lo-, I love that.

• 1:02:17Chris Ryan?

  But that immediately comes to mind, like divorced parents who still share custody of a marijuana farm.

• 1:02:24Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, sure.

• 1:02:25Chris Ryan?

  You know?

• 1:02:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:25Chris Ryan?

  And it's like.

• 1:02:26Sean Fennessey?

  That's like a Pineapple Express.

• 1:02:28Bill Simmons?

  Joint Custody is great.

• 1:02:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:29Sean Fennessey?

  That's very good.

• 1:02:30Bill Simmons?

  Did you see Travolta and Vaughn in Joint Custody yet? Uh, see how you have a flex?

• 1:02:34Chris Ryan?

  Uh, I feel bad because this is so easy, but, uh, the Sarah Connor Award for Would Modern Technology Ruin This Movie? And you were asking why From Hell goes away, and I do think it's because of surveillance technology and smartphones and high-speed internet and search engines.

• 1:02:49Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, there's cameras at the Southport Brickyard.

• 1:02:51Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Yeah. And also just like, they would look up Rick, Rick Frank, what's his name?

• 1:02:57Sean Fennessey?

  Rick Jack.

• 1:02:57Chris Ryan?

  Rick Jack's, uh, they would like, be like, does he have any social media? And it would have started three months ago.

• 1:03:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:02Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:03Sean Fennessey?

  I'm finding him on Blue Sky.

• 1:03:06Chris Ryan?

  This guy was really fired up for, uh, Dukakis.

• 1:03:08Bill Simmons?

  He really likes Merzey.

• 1:03:13Bill Simmons?

  Butch's Girlfriend Award week link of the film. It's really the the last 15 minutes, but especially the garage fight ending. I just such a strange choice. Do you have outdoors? You have all these things you could have done, gone downtown.

• 1:03:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:28Bill Simmons?

  I I don't know why you want to be confined to a weird garage.

• 1:03:30Sean Fennessey?

  Well, they blow the load with a boatyard fire.

• 1:03:33Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:33Sean Fennessey?

  They do a boat fire earlier and then they're stuck doing this very small set piece at the end.

• 1:03:38Bill Simmons?

  And then the the electrocution is just really singerly terrible.

• 1:03:42Sean Fennessey?

  It's bad.

• 1:03:43Chris Ryan?

  No disrespect, I had Frank's Frank's new girlfriend.

• 1:03:46Bill Simmons?

  Hmm.

• 1:03:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:47Sean Fennessey?

  Diane?

• 1:03:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, I just think that that could have been like 3% more interesting and it would have helped the movie.

• 1:03:52Sean Fennessey?

  Michelle Pfeiffer, who do you think?

• 1:03:55Chris Ryan?

  Emily Watson.

• 1:03:58Sean Fennessey?

  Young Kate Winslet?

• 1:03:59Bill Simmons?

  Tiffany Amber Thiessen?

• 1:04:00Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:01Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:04:01Chris Ryan?

  Either one.

• 1:04:02Sean Fennessey?

  That would have been enjoyable.

• 1:04:03Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, now a little more of Frank's relationship.

• 1:04:07Bill Simmons?

  What's age the worst?

• 1:04:09Chris Ryan?

  I gotta say this off top. Susan's miscarriage and the way it's treated where they're like, hey, sorry, miscarried.

• 1:04:16Sean Fennessey?

  And then the movie ends.

• 1:04:20Chris Ryan?

  I guess it eliminates a very complicated.

• 1:04:23Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:24Chris Ryan?

  Like after effect of like the the father of this baby is dead. But it is just like, hey, sorry about that. Once you head over to the hospital, get that checked out.

• 1:04:34Sean Fennessey?

  That could have been a way to do the sequel.

• 1:04:35Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:36Sean Fennessey?

  Make it make it a Damien O'Malley movie, you know?

• 1:04:38Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, go to the hospital, they gotta clean that up.

• 1:04:40Chris Ryan?

  Step murderer two, son of Rick Jack.

• 1:04:43Bill Simmons?

  I had.

• 1:04:48Sean Fennessey?

  Step murderer.

• 1:04:49Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:49Bill Simmons?

  I had that multiple nitpicks about that, including how would they know she lost the baby within two minutes of the garage fight? Like, pretty sure they have to run tests on that.

• 1:04:58Chris Ryan?

  The last five minutes.

• 1:04:59Bill Simmons?

  There's no sonogram at all.

• 1:05:00Chris Ryan?

  When the fucking detective comes up to apologize to Frank, he's like, hey, say it to my son.

• 1:05:07Sean Fennessey?

  Detective would probably be like, I'm sorry.

• 1:05:09Chris Ryan?

  How could I fucking say it to you, huh?

• 1:05:11Bill Simmons?

  Detective's like, I'm sorry. Frank does a go, I've lost my entire business.

• 1:05:16Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:17Bill Simmons?

  My, my wife's husband's dead and everything's burned down.

• 1:05:22Bill Simmons?

  I had a, this desperately needed to be a rated R movie. I needed more F bombs.

• 1:05:27Chris Ryan?

  Yeah. Yep.

• 1:05:28Bill Simmons?

  I needed two sex scenes. I think you have to have Devon Terry Polo.

• 1:05:32Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:05:33Bill Simmons?

  Hearing her like groaning and Danny being like really disturbed by hearing his mom, you know, in five rooms over.

• 1:05:41Chris Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:05:41Bill Simmons?

  And then Vince coming out being like, hey Danny, just getting some lemonade and just like having that. And then you have to see Buscemi with the hooker. You just have to.

• 1:05:50Sean Fennessey?

  Can we just go back to lemonade for a second? Is that like your preference?

• 1:05:53Bill Simmons?

  Orange juice. I don't know, should get the blood sugar going again.

• 1:05:56Chris Ryan?

  Oh, God.

• 1:05:58Bill Simmons?

  Uh, and the Buscemi murder could have been way better.

• 1:06:01Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I feel like also for Age of the Worst, just him getting stabbed in general on the set is like, that sucks. That's horrible.

• 1:06:07Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, cause it's funny. It's like, he does, it's not funny, but he does like, three or four movies a year all the way around this movie. And in oh four, he just does one, which kind of means he had shot like what he shot and then it all came out, but like he had basically taken a couple of years off.

• 1:06:21Sean Fennessey?

  Well, he goes on The Sopranos.

• 1:06:23Chris Ryan?

  Oh, that's right.

• 1:06:23Sean Fennessey?

  He goes on The Sopranos. So he spends a lot of time doing that.

• 1:06:26Bill Simmons?

  Season five Sopranos, the best, my favorite Soprano season.

• 1:06:29Sean Fennessey?

  It's amazing season. Tony Blandetto.

• 1:06:31Bill Simmons?

  I have for Age of the Worst, the police sergeant as well, who also gets the Vincent Chase award for, I was sure this character was good in his job.

• 1:06:36Chris Ryan?

  I also had him for overacting. This is, uh, Ruben Santiago Hudson, who just got nominated for a Tony. So he's like a very accomplished actor.

• 1:06:44Bill Simmons?

  He's done a lot of work.

• 1:06:45Chris Ryan?

  But when he's like.

• 1:06:46Bill Simmons?

  He's terrible in this movie.

• 1:06:47Chris Ryan?

  What did he say? He was like, I'm not wasting any more time or money on this sick kid's bullshit story.

• 1:06:55Chris Ryan?

  That is like, nobody understands why he's so mad at Danny.

• 1:06:58Sean Fennessey?

  He's a kid. Uh, for Age of the Worst, also just any, Jonathan D. Crane's a producer of this movie. Um, he was Travolta's manager from seventy eight or from maybe nineteen eighty eight through two thousand and four. Any movie that he's listed as a producer is a not.

• 1:07:15Chris Ryan?

  Is he kind of like a Svengali type?

• 1:07:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:17Chris Ryan?

  Guy.

• 1:07:18Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm.

• 1:07:19Bill Simmons?

  Um, the mom stuff, she's just such a stupid character. I can't believe they didn't fix any of it. She's one of the dumbest characters in the From Hell movies. This movie claims it's in Maryland, but it's entirely shot in North Carolina.

• 1:07:33Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:34Bill Simmons?

  And I don't know why they didn't just say it was in North Carolina. What was the point of being like, oh, the Maryland coast is something like, why?

• 1:07:40Chris Ryan?

  The only sort of sign of it is when he gives him a Cal Ripken glove, but otherwise it doesn't feel like the chess.

• 1:07:46Bill Simmons?

  Weird.

• 1:07:47Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 1:07:47Bill Simmons?

  This is my favorite, though. There's a GQ interview with Travolta. And he said he had an idea for an extra step in the end where after Vince Vaughn was electrocuted, he played dead for a few seconds. Then bolted up, now much stronger from the electricity, and they had a second fight. But then he said that idea was scrapped.

• 1:08:04Chris Ryan?

  That's too bad.

• 1:08:05Sean Fennessey?

  It would have been better in the like ridiculous horror movie trope way than we get.

• 1:08:11Bill Simmons?

  For him to come back up, yeah.

• 1:08:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, you know, like Michael Myers or something.

• 1:08:14Chris Ryan?

  Vince Vaughn was like.

• 1:08:15Bill Simmons?

  Hans Gruber. Yeah, Vince is like, I'm out.

• 1:08:17Sean Fennessey?

  Get me out of here.

• 1:08:18Bill Simmons?

  My plane's out here tomorrow. Hans Gruber scale villain ranking Vince is like a 3.5.

• 1:08:23Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, it's like, I'm barely, I'm, I'm kind of rooting for him, honestly.

• 1:08:26Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:28Bill Simmons?

  Ralph Lauren and Rupert Partridge overacting were given it to the sergeant. And then, uh, Sean, you have a flex?

• 1:08:34Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, it's the same as what we're seeing before the Sarah Kana Award for would, would modern technology ruin this movie? I just feel like reverse image search alone.

• 1:08:41Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:41Sean Fennessey?

  On a photo of Rick just ends this whole thing.

• 1:08:44Chris Ryan?

  Or just like one piece of police work?

• 1:08:47Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, yeah. Who was Ray? Like, this guy's having eggs in town. He's clearly a person who's spending time there. And then he just disappears? They're not looking into this?

• 1:08:55Bill Simmons?

  That's another scene that's missing where after the sergeant shoe shoes everyone away and it's like, this kid, why does he keep making? I'm tired of wasting money for him. Not having like the young female cop or somebody be like, Sarge, I gotta ask, like.

• 1:09:11Bill Simmons?

  Why would that kid make up a story that elaborate? Like, doesn't make you think?

• 1:09:14Chris Ryan?

  There's also like-

• 1:09:15Bill Simmons?

  Isn't there something about this Rick Barnes?

• 1:09:18Chris Ryan?

  Travolta would have been like, it seems like Danny probably would have seen Ray at the wedding as well.

• 1:09:23Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:23Chris Ryan?

  Susan would have seen Ray when like, he's introduced to her. Then Travolta sees Ray a couple of days after the wedding and he's like, I'm thinking about buying real estate here.

• 1:09:31Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:31Chris Ryan?

  So it's not like everybody's like, who's Ray? This is a ghost. The kid made him up.

• 1:09:35Bill Simmons?

  Right.

• 1:09:35Chris Ryan?

  It's really strange.

• 1:09:37Bill Simmons?

  I watched, my daughter, I've watched this movie twice in the last month, including the first time with my daughter when she was home. In the month of May, and she loved this movie. Cause she loves all From Hell movies and she loves Turn Your Brain Off movies and this is a good Turn Your Brain Off movie. But that's like a classic Turn Your Brain Off section. Where it's like, wait, what?

• 1:09:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:58Bill Simmons?

  But you just like, just don't even think about it.

• 1:09:59Chris Ryan?

  This is the entirety of Apple's Cape Fear right now.

• 1:10:01Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Uh, one more break and then we got, uh, hottest take.

• 1:10:08Bill Simmons?

  The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. Hottest take award. What do you got, CR?

• 1:10:14Chris Ryan?

  If this movie is about Steve Buscemi's character hunting down Vince's and that the tension is that Vince is trying to start a new life and Ray is getting in the way of that. Like, a really, really cool oughts crime movie. And it's like, they really had like, an original, you know, criminal trying to turn a new leaf, getting hunted down by his past, would have been awesome. Imagine five more Buscemi and Vaughn scenes. Uh, but instead, we got Danny in the boat.

• 1:10:44Sean Fennessey?

  Um, this is sort of related to that in terms of how they misframed the movie, but Danny is the villain of the movie and he should be in prison for betraying his father publicly.

• 1:10:51Bill Simmons?

  And was kind of a deranged kid.

• 1:10:54Sean Fennessey?

  Had some problems, yeah.

• 1:10:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:55Sean Fennessey?

  Well, divorce, you know?

• 1:10:56Bill Simmons?

  Well, he really like, uh, he's climbing the cars, like, there's some stowaway thing they mentioned in the beginning. And they were like, yeah, he did that stowaway thing again. It's like, so he's just climbing into the backseats of cars and being driven around?

• 1:11:11Chris Ryan?

  Cause his parents got divorced, right?

• 1:11:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:13Bill Simmons?

  Like, these are like weird runway things?

• 1:11:17Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think that Danny's probably, yeah. I had Travolta and Vaughn switch parts better movie.

• 1:11:23Chris Ryan?

  That's my casting what if. It's the only thing I had.

• 1:11:25Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:11:26Chris Ryan?

  I think you're right.

• 1:11:27Bill Simmons?

  I just think it's better.

• 1:11:28Sean Fennessey?

  Oh.

• 1:11:29Bill Simmons?

  It's funnier because this movie was always meant to be an unintentional comedy classic anyway. I think Travolta trying to be the bad, big swinging dick, bad guy. And Vaughn being like the younger guy.

• 1:11:40Chris Ryan?

  He's got some Chicago mob ties. Yeah.

• 1:11:42Bill Simmons?

  Vaughn and Terry Polo got married when they were like nineteen. It didn't work out.

• 1:11:46Chris Ryan?

  Makes sense.

• 1:11:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:47Chris Ryan?

  Vaughn's like a fuck up. He just wants to work on boats, but is a nice guy.

• 1:11:51Speaker 04

  They're like a little too far apart in age. They're almost twenty years apart, Vaughn and Travolta. You can, it feels a little weird.

• 1:11:56Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:56Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it's also like why are, were Travolta and Polo married?

• 1:11:58Chris Ryan?

  Doesn't really.

• 1:11:59Sean Fennessey?

  They're, they're at least fifteen years.

• 1:12:00Bill Simmons?

  And how old is, she's supposed to really, like this kid's twelve.

• 1:12:06Chris Ryan?

  She's pregnant.

• 1:12:06Sean Fennessey?

  She's in her mid.

• 1:12:07Bill Simmons?

  So she's supposed to be like mid thirties, but in Meet the Parents, she's in mid twenties and that comes out a year earlier?

• 1:12:12Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's weird.

• 1:12:13Sean Fennessey?

  It's off.

• 1:12:14Bill Simmons?

  Casting what ifs couldn't find any.

• 1:12:17Bill Simmons?

  Best that guy award, two really good ones.

• 1:12:19Chris Ryan?

  Chris Ellis and Ruben Santiago Hudson, right?

• 1:12:21Bill Simmons?

  Who's Chris Ellis?

• 1:12:22Chris Ryan?

  He's the other cop who's like always in NASA's control center.

• 1:12:26Sean Fennessey?

  He's great.

• 1:12:27Bill Simmons?

  I went deep diver.

• 1:12:28Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:12:29Bill Simmons?

  Travolta's girlfriend played Beecher's girlfriend on Oz. That was the only time we saw her.

• 1:12:33Sean Fennessey?

  She sure did.

• 1:12:35Bill Simmons?

  The judge in the custody trial hearing. The evil jury foreman from A Time to Kill.

• 1:12:43Chris Ryan?

  Oh.

• 1:12:43Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, that guy.

• 1:12:45Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:46Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, he's a good that guy.

• 1:12:47Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:48Bill Simmons?

  You see his face and you just think about the KKK and bad, bad trials in the South.

• 1:12:54Sean Fennessey?

  This movie has a similar energy as A Time to Kill where you're just like, what? They're going for the KKK, you know, like you're an hour into the movie. You're like, they're gonna lose?

• 1:13:05Bill Simmons?

  Diane Waiters Award, it's for Shemi, right?

• 1:13:07Chris Ryan?

  Absolutely.

• 1:13:08Bill Simmons?

  Can it make a case for the hooker?

• 1:13:10Chris Ryan?

  No. Patty?

• 1:13:11Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, Patty.

• 1:13:12Sean Fennessey?

  We're just passing time.

• 1:13:14Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:14Bill Simmons?

  Spatching, watching some DePaul.

• 1:13:17Chris Ryan?

  That whole thing with the lighter where it's like twenty, twenty-five bucks.

• 1:13:21Bill Simmons?

  Recasting couch director city. I'm gonna give you three choices as the sergeant.

• 1:13:27Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:13:29Bill Simmons?

  The cultural fun one, 50 Cent. Like, just trying to be-

• 1:13:33Chris Ryan?

  Coming off of Get Rich or Die Trying.

• 1:13:34Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, yeah, it's just like, I'm trying to do movies now, I'm the sergeant in domestic disturbance.

• 1:13:38Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not sure he screams Maryland Police Lieutenant.

• 1:13:41Chris Ryan?

  Is Get Rich oh one, when does it come out?

• 1:13:43Sean Fennessey?

  I think it is, yeah.

• 1:13:45Bill Simmons?

  Philip Michael Thomas?

• 1:13:46Chris Ryan?

  Sure, man.

• 1:13:47Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:13:48Bill Simmons?

  Little comeback for him, older, he's been around, doing little Rico tubs.

• 1:13:52Sean Fennessey?

  I was thinking Ernie Hudson.

• 1:13:54Bill Simmons?

  Ernie Hudson?

• 1:13:55Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:57Bill Simmons?

  Laurence Fishburne? We've already spent 75 million, let's go 80.

• 1:14:01Sean Fennessey?

  A little overqualified.

• 1:14:02Bill Simmons?

  Let's go 80, we already spent 75.

• 1:14:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, sure, what's he doing in 2001?

• 1:14:07Chris Ryan?

  Is that deep cover, when's deep cover?

• 1:14:09Bill Simmons?

  Post Matrix. No, it's post Matrix.

• 1:14:11Sean Fennessey?

  Post Matrix, that's right, yeah.

• 1:14:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:12Sean Fennessey?

  And starring-

• 1:14:13Bill Simmons?

  Give him a couple extra scenes.

• 1:14:14Chris Ryan?

  Laurence, how are you gonna follow up The Matrix?

• 1:14:17Sean Fennessey?

  Well, playing the age leading domestic disturbance.

• 1:14:19Chris Ryan?

  Terrence Howard? They're gonna yell at a 12-year-old boy.

• 1:14:22Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that could work.

• 1:14:23Bill Simmons?

  I think I like Philip Michael Thomas the most. Craig, you have a flex.

• 1:14:27Speaker 04

  Dorfler's Doorward, how much did that hurt? People take some shots to the head in this movie. Travolta goes through a car door window in the final scene.

• 1:14:37Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:37Speaker 04

  Takes a crowbar to the back of the head in his boat shop. Vince Vaughn takes a baseball bat to the skull and is just up and at him like a minute later.

• 1:14:45Sean Fennessey?

  But swung by a 13-year-old.

• 1:14:46Speaker 04

  I mean, still, it's a metal bat.

• 1:14:50Speaker 04

  Terry Polo, headfirst into a cabinet.

• 1:14:52Chris Ryan?

  That's right.

• 1:14:53Speaker 04

  I mean, it's a, there's a brutal stretch of 15 minutes of head trauma.

• 1:14:56Sean Fennessey?

  Violent film.

• 1:14:57Bill Simmons?

  CT. Everyone has CT at the end.

• 1:14:59Sean Fennessey?

  Fortunately Vince Vaughn was killed, so we don't have to worry about the after effects of that baseball bat wound.

• 1:15:04Speaker 04

  Also, as somebody who's been electrocuted, he, he wouldn't have died that quickly.

• 1:15:07Sean Fennessey?

  You've been electrocuted?

• 1:15:08Speaker 04

  You've been electrocuted? Yes.

• 1:15:09Chris Ryan?

  How?

• 1:15:10Speaker 04

  One of my last two weeks of college, I worked at the film house, like the rental house. We'd rent out equipment to film students. And they brought back one of the big stage lights and there was clearly some faulty wire that happened while they were filming. We had to check all of them before they came back to make sure they were okay before we put them away and like logged them. And something was wrong, I plugged it in, turned on the light, was holding it, it's a metal light. Got electrocuted for like, from what I was told, ten fifteen seconds.

• 1:15:35Bill Simmons?

  Wow.

• 1:15:35Chris Ryan?

  Did you pass out?

• 1:15:36Speaker 04

  No, uh, somebody saw what was going on and unplugged the light, but it was like sparking. I don't really have a strong memory of it. I don't know how long it lasted, but I was like, apparently, like flexing all my muscles for like ten fifteen seconds, like trying to make a sound, but you can't because you're so constrained.

• 1:15:52Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think that that is your superhero origin story?

• 1:15:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:15:56Sean Fennessey?

  That that made you like a gifted taster?

• 1:15:58Bill Simmons?

  That's how he was able to read the futures of tight ends for football seasons.

• 1:16:02Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 1:16:03Bill Simmons?

  Stay away from Kyle Pitts.

• 1:16:05Speaker 04

  I was like, if I die, somebody should eat me. And that's how I came up with the cannibalism.

• 1:16:10Bill Simmons?

  Use my skin and muscles for food.

• 1:16:13Speaker 04

  But he would have held on way long. It was like five seconds. He's not going to die that quick.

• 1:16:18Bill Simmons?

  Like that. I didn't realize.

• 1:16:19Speaker 04

  What a great piece of.

• 1:16:21Bill Simmons?

  Let's go to our electrocution expert, Craig Rollback.

• 1:16:24Sean Fennessey?

  Were you actually like five, seven, a hundred and ten pounds until that happened?

• 1:16:28Speaker 04

  It was like HGH. Uh, yeah, I was weirdly fine, like.

• 1:16:32Bill Simmons?

  He's like walking in, in the, uh, Trivial Psychic.

• 1:16:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:35Bill Simmons?

  You're gonna have a cup of coffee.

• 1:16:37Sean Fennessey?

  It's your dead zone moment.

• 1:16:39Bill Simmons?

  Half ass internet research. The only one I could find that was interesting was Travolta, um, flew himself in and out of Wilmington during the shoots.

• 1:16:47Chris Ryan?

  Can I ask, what do you guys think Travolta's relationship to the bar fight story is? Like, do you think they asked him to go out with them and he was like, no, no, guys, that's okay?

• 1:16:55Bill Simmons?

  There's no way he was going out with those guys.

• 1:16:58Chris Ryan?

  Do you think it then became like a, you don't know what we've been through kind of divisive thing on set?

• 1:17:02Bill Simmons?

  Like the norm of domestic service.

• 1:17:08Chris Ryan?

  Is there any way you could find out?

• 1:17:12Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, maybe I could. Apex Mountain, Travolta, no. Vaughn, no. Buscemi, no. Terry Polo, no. Divorce movies, no. Evil stepdad movies, no.

• 1:17:25Bill Simmons?

  Wooden Boat Company movies?

• 1:17:26Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:17:27Bill Simmons?

  How many wooden boat plots have we had?

• 1:17:30Chris Ryan?

  Well, I mean, there are a lot of movies about yachting that are better than this, and those are all wooden boats, aren't they?

• 1:17:36Bill Simmons?

  Did this make you want to get a wooden boat someday, CR?

• 1:17:38Chris Ryan?

  Nah.

• 1:17:38Bill Simmons?

  No?

• 1:17:39Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:17:40Sean Fennessey?

  I gotta look this up.

• 1:17:42Bill Simmons?

  What?

• 1:17:42Sean Fennessey?

  Just movies about boat makers, you know?

• 1:17:45Bill Simmons?

  Just like those small-

• 1:17:46Sean Fennessey?

  There's gotta be a better-

• 1:17:47Chris Ryan?

  There's probably like a Robert Bresson movie called The Boatmaker.

• 1:17:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:50Bill Simmons?

  Uh, Maryland Coast, definitely not, since it was filmed in North Carolina.

• 1:17:54Chris Ryan?

  Is this Apex Mountain for the cinematic depiction of the DePaul men's college basketball program? This was, if he's watching the 2000, 2001 team, it's Bobby Simmons and Stephen Hunter.

• 1:18:04Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 1:18:05Chris Ryan?

  They weren't bad.

• 1:18:06Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:06Chris Ryan?

  But, I, you know, they had three pros on that team.

• 1:18:10Sean Fennessey?

  You use Apex Mountain for that being depicted?

• 1:18:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, but, I mean, DePaul is definitely the eighties.

• 1:18:15Bill Simmons?

  The Mark Aguirre, Ray Meyer.

• 1:18:17Chris Ryan?

  But I'm just saying, like, being depicted on, it's just a weird bit that he's like, I'm really into, I'm from-

• 1:18:23Bill Simmons?

  But they have to bang home that he's from Chicago, so you have to do DePaul because you have no other Chicago.

• 1:18:28Chris Ryan?

  Were they playing Maryland? Why would that game be on in Maryland? That's a good question.

• 1:18:32Sean Fennessey?

  There's some speculation about why isn't it on at all, because it's the middle of the fall.

• 1:18:35Chris Ryan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:18:36Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I had that in my head. It's, it's October 18th, he dies, there's no college basketball yet. Tough one.

• 1:18:43Sean Fennessey?

  A little sketchy.

• 1:18:43Bill Simmons?

  Harold Becker's like, yeah, whatever, nobody will notice this, it's something like podcasts are coming.

• 1:18:47Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe the sports are.

• 1:18:50Bill Simmons?

  Um, huge embarrassing bar fights during a filming, I think this was Apex Mountain, sadly.

• 1:18:55Chris Ryan?

  Well, there's probably like a ton from the forties where like John Wayne split a guy's head open.

• 1:18:59Sean Fennessey?

  I was gonna say, there's gotta be some sort of Oliver Reed, Richard Harris story where those guys are, you know?

• 1:19:04Chris Ryan?

  Dean Martin killed a guy.

• 1:19:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Robert Shaw, those guys are getting into some trouble.

• 1:19:07Bill Simmons?

  It's a fair point. Oliver Reed or Richard Harris probably had a worse one, where they fought 10 guys and then shit on one of them.

• 1:19:14Sean Fennessey?

  Peter O'Toole fell down a staircase or something, yeah.

• 1:19:17Chris Ryan?

  The British guys used to drink in my grandfather's pubs back in England. Yeah, yeah, we, we would have like, he had one in Camden, he had one in like the Knightsbridge area back in like the, the forties or fifties or whatever, and they used to get hammered there.

• 1:19:29Sean Fennessey?

  That'd be a good movie.

• 1:19:30Chris Ryan?

  He's like, they were, but they were like Olympic, like blackout drinkers, yeah.

• 1:19:34Sean Fennessey?

  Two bottles of whiskey.

• 1:19:35Chris Ryan?

  Gin.

• 1:19:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:36Chris Ryan?

  Just straight gin.

• 1:19:38Bill Simmons?

  And there's like a legacy with it, too. Like when you're a young up and comer, you're like, this is how it's gotta go.

• 1:19:43Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:44Bill Simmons?

  I've got, I've got to get blackout drunk. That's part of.

• 1:19:47Chris Ryan?

  I think like Sean Penn took that mantle for a while.

• 1:19:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:50Sean Fennessey?

  That's a famous Paul Newman thing, right? Drink, drank like a case of beer every day.

• 1:19:55Bill Simmons?

  Best, we had to replace Scorsese or Spielberg.

• 1:19:58Chris Ryan?

  Oh, because you've had Spielberg.

• 1:19:59Bill Simmons?

  Can't do Spielberg. We can't do that anymore.

• 1:20:01Sean Fennessey?

  Cause why?

• 1:20:01Bill Simmons?

  Cause we had Spielberg doing Scorsese's, I have to retire the category.

• 1:20:05Chris Ryan?

  Should we have, should we have a different pair of directors every episode or just a steady?

• 1:20:10Speaker 04

  Now it's Becker or Hanson.

• 1:20:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:12Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:13Sean Fennessey?

  I was gonna say Becker or Kubrick.

• 1:20:14Bill Simmons?

  I replaced it for this episode with best name for the movie for a racehorse. And it's either Southport or Ray Coleman. But I think a horse named Ray Coleman would have been pretty good.

• 1:20:24Chris Ryan?

  I think Rick Jack would have been good.

• 1:20:26Sean Fennessey?

  I wrote, I wrote, I wrote Danny Lys.

• 1:20:28Bill Simmons?

  Danny Lys.

• 1:20:29Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:30Bill Simmons?

  Here comes Danny Lys. Cruise or Hanks or Cruise and Hanks?

• 1:20:34Sean Fennessey?

  Gotta be, gotta be.

• 1:20:36Chris Ryan?

  Is this the first Cruise and Hanks that we've had?

• 1:20:38Bill Simmons?

  I think we've had a couple. This is a legitimately, should be Cruise and Hanks.

• 1:20:42Sean Fennessey?

  Right. Hanks is the father.

• 1:20:44Bill Simmons?

  Hanks is Travolta, Cruise is, or would you go the other way? Hank's going against type.

• 1:20:51Sean Fennessey?

  I would enjoy that. I'd like to see it.

• 1:20:54Bill Simmons?

  It's definitely Cruise. Travolta's playing a Cruise part.

• 1:20:58Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, one is Minority Report for Cruise. What's Hank's doing in oh, one? Is it, is it Castaway is ninety nine?

• 1:21:03Chris Ryan?

  Was it the terminal?

• 1:21:04Bill Simmons?

  Castaway is two thousand and the wheels start to shift for Hank's a little bit. Cruise is still, he's in Vanilla Sky. He's still cranking it.

• 1:21:13Speaker 04

  You get a baseball scene out of Cruise.

• 1:21:15Chris Ryan?

  That's true. And Hank's, you know, League of Their Own. You could do it.

• 1:21:18Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 1:21:19Bill Simmons?

  I think.

• 1:21:20Chris Ryan?

  Maybe they could have catch with each other.

• 1:21:23Bill Simmons?

  Crank, it's interesting because neither of them normally play the Vaughn part.

• 1:21:27Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 1:21:29Bill Simmons?

  If you could only have one, who would you have? I would have Cruise in the Travolta part.

• 1:21:34Chris Ryan?

  I would like to see.

• 1:21:36Sean Fennessey?

  I cruise in the Vaughn part is amazing.

• 1:21:38Chris Ryan?

  I can see Cruz saying like, I'm not trying to be your dad, but I'd like to be your friend.

• 1:21:44Bill Simmons?

  And the baseball suit would be huge. Picky knits, um, all the obvious dubs. The fool in versus fuck.

• 1:21:51Chris Ryan?

  Do you think Rick put any effort into a new identity or did he just buy like a new, kind of some new clothes?

• 1:21:58Sean Fennessey?

  I, I, I think it's like, it demands an even bigger question. Like the plan. So he is, is to pretend to be happy and marry a single mom and do public acts as, as a citizen in this town.

• 1:22:09Chris Ryan?

  I don't think he's pretending to be happy at all. He says to her, you're the best thing that's ever happened to me.

• 1:22:12Bill Simmons?

  But does he really believe that?

• 1:22:13Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, I think he feels like he got away with it. Yeah.

• 1:22:14Chris Ryan?

  I think he thinks like, I'm gonna, I've always wanted to get out of the grime and be a big man in society. And what you need is money to do that and it's all working out.

• 1:22:23Sean Fennessey?

  And is he just like Terry Polo as a smoke show? So I'm super stoked.

• 1:22:26Chris Ryan?

  I mean, that's another one that I wanted to ask is like, how fat, like, so when this movie starts, how long have they been divorced for?

• 1:22:34Sean Fennessey?

  A year.

• 1:22:35Bill Simmons?

  Cause they make it seem like the divorce just happened.

• 1:22:37Sean Fennessey?

  I would say a year.

• 1:22:38Chris Ryan?

  She got pregnant pretty fast.

• 1:22:41Bill Simmons?

  Terry Polo a little loose in this movie, baby?

• 1:22:43Sean Fennessey?

  How much time goes by during the film?

• 1:22:46Bill Simmons?

  It's unclear.

• 1:22:46Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:47Bill Simmons?

  All of it's unclear.

• 1:22:48Chris Ryan?

  I, I thought a couple of days, but that would mean she was.

• 1:22:51Sean Fennessey?

  It's gotta be more than that.

• 1:22:53Chris Ryan?

  But she was probably pregnant at the wedding.

• 1:22:54Sean Fennessey?

  They get like a custody trial.

• 1:22:56Bill Simmons?

  It feels like September, October.

• 1:22:57Chris Ryan?

  I don't think that this town has a big docket. They're probably just like, sure custody trial. We got nothing going on.

• 1:23:02Sean Fennessey?

  It's due tomorrow.

• 1:23:06Bill Simmons?

  Rick changes his name and his life. But it's totally cool with having a newspaper wedding announcement with this picture in it. I'm probably vetoing that if I'm Rick Barnes.

• 1:23:16Sean Fennessey?

  Not a good choice. I will say the choice of picking a name in which there is another prominent person with that name.

• 1:23:22Chris Ryan?

  Good Google.

• 1:23:22Sean Fennessey?

  Is really smart.

• 1:23:24Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. So you'd recommend that?

• 1:23:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. You'd be like, my name is Humphrey Bogart.

• 1:23:28Bill Simmons?

  Do you think they should have had Rick with his old life when they, when the newspaper thing comes up, like had a beard? Like something about him looked different.

• 1:23:35Chris Ryan?

  He looks exactly the same.

• 1:23:36Bill Simmons?

  It's just like, oh, this is clearly him. The no blood in the car post stabbing was incredible.

• 1:23:43Bill Simmons?

  Southport Brickworks just having no evidence at all anywhere.

• 1:23:48Bill Simmons?

  No fingerprints on the door. Nothing in the incinerator. It's just all gone. There's not like one ID or anything.

• 1:23:54Chris Ryan?

  If Danny had just said at the trial, like, I stand by what I said. And also, this man has threatened me since then and said he's gonna kill my father if I, if I say what I'm saying on the stand. At the worst, the cops would be like, we gotta get Danny out of that house and we need to put you guys into protective custody.

• 1:24:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, we gotta at least figure this out for the next two weeks. How does Frank find Betty the Hooker?

• 1:24:18Bill Simmons?

  He's at her house all of a sudden?

• 1:24:19Chris Ryan?

  No, that's in the motel, isn't it?

• 1:24:22Bill Simmons?

  Was it? It seemed like an apartment.

• 1:24:23Chris Ryan?

  I mean.

• 1:24:24Sean Fennessey?

  I think he goes to her house after going to the motel.

• 1:24:27Bill Simmons?

  Patty the Hooker. Is it Patty or Betty?

• 1:24:28Chris Ryan?

  It's Patty and he sees the phone records.

• 1:24:31Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 1:24:32Chris Ryan?

  He's like, who's this? And he's like, I love the girls, love the ladies.

• 1:24:35Bill Simmons?

  This guy's fucking burnt all and our showdown is Wayne Jenkins?

• 1:24:40Bill Simmons?

  He's fucking tracking people down?

• 1:24:42Chris Ryan?

  I was working with Sherlock Holmes.

• 1:24:46Bill Simmons?

  He's tracking people down but can't figure out Rick Barnes. Is it Rick Barnes?

• 1:24:52Bill Simmons?

  How would they know immediately that she lost the baby is my favorite nitpick from this. And then, Danny, I'm sorry. Thanks, Sergeant. I'm gonna be suing the town now. Thanks, thanks for the apology that I'll now be talking about in the trial because my boathouse is gone.

• 1:25:08Sean Fennessey?

  That Southport Chamber of Commerce is going down.

• 1:25:10Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, everything. Like Frank is basically doing the town.

• 1:25:13Chris Ryan?

  This brings the town to its knees.

• 1:25:15Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, it's over. Anything else?

• 1:25:17Chris Ryan?

  Uh, from Picking Nets, no.

• 1:25:19Bill Simmons?

  Sequel, prequel, prestige TV all black cast.

• 1:25:21Sean Fennessey?

  Wait, one more thing. What's going on with the other two convicts? Are they still in prison?

• 1:25:26Chris Ryan?

  Those guys are, those guys are out, but they weren't looking for Rick like the way Ray was. I think they were probably like, we can't find him. We're idiots.

• 1:25:34Bill Simmons?

  That's the sequel.

• 1:25:35Chris Ryan?

  Ray's like, I almost gave up and then you had a fucking wedding announcement. All I knew was you were on the East Coast.

• 1:25:40Bill Simmons?

  That's DD2.

• 1:25:42Chris Ryan?

  DD2.

• 1:25:44Bill Simmons?

  Coming.

• 1:25:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, sometimes they come back.

• 1:25:45Bill Simmons?

  2027.

• 1:25:47Chris Ryan?

  They could show up and just be like, look, like now it's your debt to Frank, you know?

• 1:25:51Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:52Chris Ryan?

  And you gotta make us boats for, like getaway boats for bank robberies.

• 1:25:55Bill Simmons?

  Witten drug boats?

• 1:25:59Bill Simmons?

  I'm going all black cast for the next category.

• 1:26:02Chris Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:26:02Bill Simmons?

  And they probably already made it. We just didn't know what happened.

• 1:26:05Chris Ryan?

  I would do prequel. I would do the racketeering storyline.

• 1:26:07Bill Simmons?

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:26:08Sean Fennessey?

  That was what I did too. I want to see what they did.

• 1:26:10Bill Simmons?

  Oh.

• 1:26:10Sean Fennessey?

  It's so vague.

• 1:26:11Bill Simmons?

  Chicago?

• 1:26:12Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:12Bill Simmons?

  Turns out in Chicago, you think we get Ron Dean in there?

• 1:26:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, let's get to Palma to make it.

• 1:26:17Chris Ryan?

  Andrew Davis, yeah.

• 1:26:19Bill Simmons?

  Is this movie better than Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Florist, Zane Lowe, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols, or someone else?

• 1:26:25Chris Ryan?

  You're a little fucking liar, aren't you, Danny? You're gonna do this for me, or I'm gonna clip your nuts like I clipped your daddy's. He builds boats for me now.

• 1:26:38Chris Ryan?

  I was watching that scene the other day.

• 1:26:41Sean Fennessey?

  That's a perfect match.

• 1:26:42Chris Ryan?

  Fucking hell, it's such a good scene.

• 1:26:44Bill Simmons?

  Fergie the Florist, the South Paltz stuff.

• 1:26:47Chris Ryan?

  You think you're the only guy in Charleston with a gun?

• 1:26:51Bill Simmons?

  I wanted Dr. Charles Nichols at the Chamber of Commerce ceremony and then having Frank there. You have to excuse my friend Frank. He's very not well.

• 1:27:01Bill Simmons?

  Just one Oscar who gets it. We rarely do this, but this is a full-fledged nobody. No Oscars standing up for this one.

• 1:27:09Sean Fennessey?

  One of the worst performances for Apex Mountain and just one Oscar in show history.

• 1:27:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:14Bill Simmons?

  Really, really, that you can't make a case for anything. Unanswerable questions. Did Travolta and Terry Polo get back together?

• 1:27:22Chris Ryan?

  I don't think so.

• 1:27:23Sean Fennessey?

  This, this was my Z. Want Neo was another way to do a sequel in the movie is, so Danny is traumatized for life by what happens, obviously, but, but Susan and Travolta get back together. And then that drives Diane, Travolta's girlfriend, crazy. And then she goes out and seeks revenge in the sequel.

• 1:27:42Chris Ryan?

  It's the second, DD2 is Diane's revenge.

• 1:27:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:44Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:45Bill Simmons?

  That's where you really needed Tiffany Amber Thiessen instead of that actress.

• 1:27:48Sean Fennessey?

  And she would have cooked. She was bringing some of the Valerie energy.

• 1:27:50Bill Simmons?

  Yeah, she's angry now.

• 1:27:55Bill Simmons?

  Terry Polo inherits all of Jack Rick's fortune.

• 1:27:58Chris Ryan?

  I bet that they hadn't drawn up wills yet.

• 1:28:02Bill Simmons?

  They got married.

• 1:28:03Chris Ryan?

  Do you do that the day of? I mean, like, it's.

• 1:28:06Bill Simmons?

  They're married. She inherits everything. So in a weird way, it all worked out for everybody.

• 1:28:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:10Bill Simmons?

  They get back together.

• 1:28:11Chris Ryan?

  Probably the police get involved with what.

• 1:28:12Bill Simmons?

  The money.

• 1:28:13Chris Ryan?

  How that money got.

• 1:28:13Bill Simmons?

  He sues the town. He owns Southport.

• 1:28:17Bill Simmons?

  Owns like a big chunk of the city now because they fucked up his boathouse.

• 1:28:20Sean Fennessey?

  Huge W for Travolta.

• 1:28:21Bill Simmons?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:21Chris Ryan?

  I think it's a big one.

• 1:28:22Sean Fennessey?

  Except for his son being destroyed forever.

• 1:28:25Bill Simmons?

  Well, that was my other in答问题. When does Danny kill his first prostitute? Is it Patty?

• 1:28:29Chris Ryan?

  I think Danny becomes a compulsive liar after this because he's like, it worked.

• 1:28:34Sean Fennessey?

  Continues to be a compulsive liar.

• 1:28:36Chris Ryan?

  Continues to be a compulsive liar. And then Danny should become a detective. And it should drive this sergeant guy crazy who's now the chief of police. He's like, I can't believe this little fucking liar is my detective.

• 1:28:47Sean Fennessey?

  We've really nicely shaped the domestic disturbance cinematic universe.

• 1:28:51Chris Ryan?

  I can't believe they'd make nine of these.

• 1:28:53Bill Simmons?

  Danny's hosting a fantasy football podcast for The Ringer.

• 1:28:57Chris Ryan?

  Yeah, Danny's like, me and Michael Pennix were hanging out last night.

• 1:29:02Sean Fennessey?

  He knows a thing or two about electrocution as well. Those are the qualifications.

• 1:29:06Bill Simmons?

  The memorabilia you'd most want for this movie, clearly the Rick Barnes Chamber of Commerce Award. That big plaque he got.

• 1:29:13Chris Ryan?

  Or Danny's Cal Ripken glove.

• 1:29:15Bill Simmons?

  Oh, the glove would be good.

• 1:29:16Sean Fennessey?

  I want one of those boats.

• 1:29:17Bill Simmons?

  The wooden boat.

• 1:29:18Sean Fennessey?

  A handmade boat.

• 1:29:19Chris Ryan?

  Pretty flammable.

• 1:29:20Sean Fennessey?

  Good point. Fair.

• 1:29:21Bill Simmons?

  Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi were best, worst life lesson. Believe your child?

• 1:29:25Chris Ryan?

  Sure.

• 1:29:27Sean Fennessey?

  You don't agree with that?

• 1:29:28Chris Ryan?

  Well, yeah, sure. I think you should.

• 1:29:30Bill Simmons?

  My whole thing is if a story is that elaborate, you have my attention.

• 1:29:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:29:34Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:34Bill Simmons?

  It's not like I saw, I saw Rick kill a guy. It's like, so we drove in, there's a thing, there was an incinerator. Like, at some point, there's just too much detail.

• 1:29:45Chris Ryan?

  Question when he's like on the stand and he's like, I actually got out in town and I, I just took off. It's like, well, how do you know about the incinerator then? And how do you know about all the details of this thing?

• 1:29:55Bill Simmons?

  Yeah. Best double feature choice, I have The Stepfather.

• 1:30:01Sean Fennessey?

  It's a tricky one because it makes them, this movie look worse because The Stepfather is better.

• 1:30:07Bill Simmons?

  Stepfather is good.

• 1:30:08Chris Ryan?

  I have Be Cool because you need to have a palate cleanser of Travolta, like you need to like have like a.

• 1:30:12Sean Fennessey?

  Travolta and Vaughn.

• 1:30:13Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:13Sean Fennessey?

  They're in it together.

• 1:30:14Bill Simmons?

  Not Battlefield Earth?

• 1:30:16Chris Ryan?

  No.

• 1:30:17Bill Simmons?

  Who won the movie?

• 1:30:19Chris Ryan?

  I think Vaughn did, just because I just like watching Vince Vaughn.

• 1:30:22Sean Fennessey?

  He's very entertaining.

• 1:30:23Bill Simmons?

  I really respected how hard he tried all throughout.

• 1:30:26Sean Fennessey?

  I wrote Matt O'Leary, who's the only actor who's like actually giving a good performance.

• 1:30:29Chris Ryan?

  You know, that's a good point, Sean.

• 1:30:30Sean Fennessey?

  You know, kid performances are really up and down. The movie kind of hinges on him. He's very good in the movie.

• 1:30:35Chris Ryan?

  Okay. It would be kind of amazing if Colkin was doing Good Son in this movie.

• 1:30:40Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:30:41Chris Ryan?

  And kind of came face to face with another killer.

• 1:30:44Speaker 04

  Oh, like two From Hell, Hell characters meet?

• 1:30:46Chris Ryan?

  That would be cool is if you could start making like From Hell crossover movies.

• 1:30:50Sean Fennessey?

  Another cinematic universe idea.

• 1:30:52Bill Simmons?

  Sounds great. What'd you think, Craig?

• 1:30:55Speaker 04

  Um, it's a great summer selection. I, I immediately knew I could watch this movie at like noon on a Monday, which was great. Um, I'm really racking up some classics here from Hell month that I can talk to absolutely no one.

• 1:31:10Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, I, I honestly, most leads was just kind of fascinated observing John Travolta in this movie like an extraterrestrial. And I kind of was just obsessed with his entire look and performance and everything about him.

• 1:31:20Sean Fennessey?

  But what the, the circumference of his head, his head is enormous.

• 1:31:24Speaker 04

  Triple Vince Vaughn's head.

• 1:31:25Chris Ryan?

  Scientists don't drink, right?

• 1:31:28Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 1:31:29Chris Ryan?

  Do they?

• 1:31:29Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:31:30Sean Fennessey?

  I don't believe so.

• 1:31:30Chris Ryan?

  Because his familiarity with the Bud Light can is, it seems like it's the first time he's held one of those.

• 1:31:35Sean Fennessey?

  What do they, what do they call it?

• 1:31:36Bill Simmons?

  Cruz would have that too.

• 1:31:37Sean Fennessey?

  It's not Bud Light. Like what does it say on it?

• 1:31:39Chris Ryan?

  I think it's supposed to be like Keystone or something like that or Natty.

• 1:31:43Speaker 04

  Travolta is really all over the place. He can really play up and down to his opponent. He's like Darnold. It's like you could win three games with him and he's the worst quarterback in the league.

• 1:31:50Sean Fennessey?

  Great take.

• 1:31:51Speaker 04

  Or he's like, you could win a Super Bowl in the right system.

• 1:31:54Chris Ryan?

  True.

• 1:31:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:54Chris Ryan?

  It's true. If he's got the right coach.

• 1:31:56Bill Simmons?

  Travolta is Sam Darnold. One of Craig's best takes.

• 1:31:58Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I, I, when I was growing up, I loved Get Shorty. I thought Get Shorty was the greatest movie. I was a kid who was obsessed with movies. And in that movie, he's so fucking cool. He's so unbelievably cool. And you know, he's in his like late thirties, early forties in that movie. He's not a kid or anything. But it's like just a few years later where you're like, has this guy ever been in a movie before?

• 1:32:19Bill Simmons?

  Right. He hit a stretch in the late 90s where it felt like he was one of the five biggest stars in the world again.

• 1:32:25Chris Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:26Bill Simmons?

  And he was, you know, Costner had started to lose some steam. Some of the guys from the 90s, 80s were losing steam. And he was kind of the backup choice to Hanks for a lot of different roles.

• 1:32:37Chris Ryan?

  Well, there's, and then there's like that period where it feels like he and Nick Cage are the two biggest action stars in the world.

• 1:32:42Bill Simmons?

  Right. Which was.

• 1:32:44Chris Ryan?

  Strange.

• 1:32:44Bill Simmons?

  Well, it was fun when they were in the same movie together. Yeah. I loved Travolta.

• 1:32:49Bill Simmons?

  I like it when he's in bad movies. I like when he's in good movies. It's like General's Daughter is the only time it goes sideways.

• 1:32:55Sean Fennessey?

  He's singular. He's a singular performer.

• 1:32:57Chris Ryan?

  Do you like civil action?

• 1:32:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I just rewatched it because we did a Robert Duvall episode. Great Duvall performance in that movie. It's not bad. It's a little stiff, but it's not bad. It's a, it's very confusing similarly at the end of that movie, but that's similar, that's kind of also at the end of his respectability.

• 1:33:14Bill Simmons?

  Well, we did this ad a sequence, but Good, uh, The Good Son, which we've already done is coming next week and that's a much, much, much better movie. But from Hellman CR, it's just.

• 1:33:24Chris Ryan?

  It's heaven.

• 1:33:24Bill Simmons?

  Just bangers left and right. Turn your brain off. Have some fun. Uh, thanks to Craig. Thanks to Gahow as well. Thanks to you guys. And we'll see you next week on The Good Son.