Peterson Admits He Got This Wrong

What does a man who spent seventy five years living in his father’s tent have to do with the question you have been avoiding about your own life? In this lecture, Jordan Peterson works through the story of Abraham and arrives at the hardest passage in scripture, the moment a father is told to take his only son up a mountain and offer him as a burnt offering. The atheists call it proof of a monstrous God. Peterson thinks they have the story upside down, and getting to why takes him through a savings account, a sports team, a statue Michelangelo carved at twenty four, and the thing every mother does on the first day of school. Then a police officer asks him for one piece of advice, and the answer takes six minutes and costs Moses the promised land. By the end there is a calculation involving twenty minutes, fifty repetitions, and the two percent of your life you could fix this week. What Abraham is actually offered turns out not to be faith in the conventional sense at all, but a trade: everything you are comfortable with, in exchange for something you already know you want more. This lecture was filmed on March 10, 2024, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Unlock the ad-free experience of The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast and dive into exclusive bonus content on DailyWire+. Start watching now: http://dwpluspeterson.com/yt ALL LINKS: https://feedlink.io/jordanbpeterson // LINKS // Peterson Academy https://petersonacademy.com Books - https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/books/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:00Jordan B. Peterson?

  So I'm going to leap right into the story tonight, and I'll backfill and expand as we go along. On this tour, I've been walking through a selection of the biblical stories. That's what I do in this book, We Who Wrestle with God. And as I tell this story, I'll explain what I think it means. I think I'll explain what I know it means. I don't think I think I know what it means. I don't know everything it means, but there's some things I do know. And so, well, I'm going to try to explain them, and then you can decide for yourself if they make sense.

• 2:43Jordan B. Peterson?

  And if they make sense in a way that's actually useful and meaningful. It's certainly been the case in my life that when I study the deep stories of our cultures, they're an endless source of revivifying revelation. And what I mean by that is that understanding them straightens out your pathway forward and illuminates your relationships and makes you more resilient in the face of trouble and gives you a place to put things in your imagination and helps you understand how you might be able to draw the best even out of your suffering. And that's an awful lot of benefit. And so, that's been my personal experience.

• 3:28Jordan B. Peterson?

  And really, without end, I started a deep analysis of, deep as I'm capable, deep analysis of literary stories and religious stories 40 years ago. And for me, it's been nothing but an endlessly deepening benefit. And I think that, I think the effects of that, at least in part, can be seen in the popularity of the discussions that I've had about such stories. First with my classes at Harvard and at the University of Toronto and in my clinical practice, and then in the broader public realm.

• 4:10Jordan B. Peterson?

  The fact of the attractiveness of these interpretations, the strange attractiveness of these interpretations, indicates to me something like illustration of their eternal utility. I suppose that's also in combination with the fact that they've been remembered for thousands of years. And some of the stories, the really ancient stories, stories of Adam and Eve, for example, or Noah, they're probably tens of thousands of years old. And unless humanity is rotten to the core in some fundamental sense, which is not a story I buy, then there's a reason that those stories lodged themselves

• 4:55Jordan B. Peterson?

  in our collective memory immovably, and they've been transmitted down the generations for as long back into the past as we can peer. In this part of Genesis, this is in the story of Abraham. Abraham is a man who's called forth by God to have the adventure of his life. And that's an interesting idea in and of itself, especially when you understand it. And I kind of like to approach these things biologically to begin with because I think that's kind of amusing, given that the scientific or the biological approach

• 5:39Jordan B. Peterson?

  is often used to justify standing in opposition, let's say, to the religious enterprise. I think that's, I think that's ill-advised personally, partly because I think that, I think that truth is a structure of unity and that as we approach the truth, we find that pieces of what we understood that appeared to exist in opposition to each other existed in that opposition because we misunderstood, we misunderstood the nature of reality at a deep level and that if we understood things properly, there would be no intrinsic conflict,

• 6:23Jordan B. Peterson?

  let's say, between the scientific enterprise that enables us to predict and control the world with ever-increasing sophistication and the structures of value that orient us in the pursuit of the meaning of our lives. I don't believe that one of those will be finally sacrificed to the other or that that sacrifice is necessary. And one of the, what would you, criteria by which I've determined to pursue the truth is that the interpretations that I regard as plausible have to work in relationship to multiple levels of analysis simultaneously.

• 7:07Jordan B. Peterson?

  And so, if the interpretations contradict the basic laws of science, neuropsychology, neuropsychopharmacology, evolutionary biology, they're not correct. And if, if they contradict, if the explanations that I'm putting forward aren't in keeping with the deepest moral intuitions laid forth in our traditional societies and in the substructure of our political systems, then they're not correct. Things have to line up like they do in a musical piece where everything finds its proper place. And so, Abraham is the man who's called to the adventure of his life.

• 7:50Jordan B. Peterson?

  And that's actually the definition of God in the story of Abraham. And that's something very much worth knowing. It's very difficult for modern people to understand what it means for something divine to make itself known to them in the confines of their life. People often believe that if they're wavering in their religious conviction, that if only God showed Himself to them, they would immediately be believers. And that's not as true as you think it is because even if something miraculous occurred for you once, you'd forget about it quite quickly and return to your old ways. But you can find the guiding voice of the divine in your life on a regular basis in some ways if you know where to look and if you understand what it means to find that.

• 8:34Jordan B. Peterson?

  And the story of Abraham is one, in one representation of how that might occur. And so, when we first meet Abraham, who's the father of the Abrahamic religions, he's a, he's a, he's a man who's certainly past his prime. And so, he's lived much of his life.

• 9:01Jordan B. Peterson?

  In infantile security, that's really how the story puts it forward. He's the son of, he's the spoiled son of a rich father. He has privilege.

• 9:14Jordan B. Peterson?

  And because of that, he spent literally 75 years living in the basement of his father's tent, you know? Right? Because he has everything he hypothetically needs. And that begs the question immediately. What is it that you really need? And if everything that you need is provided for you so that you're satiated, let's say you have enough to eat, you have enough to drink, you have shelter, perhaps you need nothing else. And the political utopians who offer people

• 9:56Jordan B. Peterson?

  an easy solution to the problems of scrabbling for existence seem to predicate their offering on the belief that really what we want is for our hunger to be satisfied and a roof over our heads. And you know, much as it's unpleasant to be deprived and even viciously unpleasant to be arbitrarily deprived, there's no reason whatsoever to assume that we would be or should be satisfied by being satisfied infants.

• 10:33Jordan B. Peterson?

  And that's really what Abraham concludes. And to some degree, to the degree that you advance forward continually out of your zone of comfort, you make exactly the same,

• 10:47Jordan B. Peterson?

  you draw exactly the same conclusion.

• 10:52Jordan B. Peterson?

  If you're a good parent,

• 10:56Jordan B. Peterson?

  if you're a good father, if you're a good mother, you don't strive merely to provide for your children everything they could conceivably want forever. What you strive to do is to encourage within them the development of the impetus for independence and and the productive adventurousness that goes along with that. And you do that knowing that you don't want children who only want from you everything that they need. You want children who can provide for themselves. And more than that, you want children who can not only provide for themselves,

• 11:40Jordan B. Peterson?

  but who have enough strength of character and enough ability and enough sense to organize themselves so that not only can they provide for themselves, but that they might have something to offer some friends and a potential romantic partner, a wife and a husband, and eventually children. And and something maybe outside of that even for their community and their state and their nation and maybe for God himself. And in consequence of that, you are on the side of the spirit that calls your children to the adventure of their lives. And that's how God is presented in the story of Abraham.

• 12:23Jordan B. Peterson?

  So Abraham is in comfort in his father's tent at the beginning of the story. And God comes to him and says,

• 12:33Jordan B. Peterson?

  "You've got to stop this. You've got to get up and you've got to get away from everything that you know and that you are familiar with. And you have to go out into the world. And you did that to the degree that you matured and left your family and found a partner and established your own family or your own enterprise. And more than that, and this is also how these stories work, you do that every moment of your life when you decide that instead of residing in mere comfort, you'll stand on the edge and work to make of yourself more than you are. And you don't do that where it's comfortable.

• 13:18Jordan B. Peterson?

  You do that where it's interestingly uncomfortable. Right? And we want that more than anything else. That's so interesting because that call to adventure also simultaneously is a call to what we would want to call to us if we were acting with our best interest in mind. You don't want to be comfortable. You don't want to have everything that you need at hand. You want to be challenged so that more of you is commanded to make itself manifest. And the reason that you want that is so that you can be prepared for anything that comes your way, but also so that you can set more and more possibility in order and expand your horizons as you move forward.

• 14:04Jordan B. Peterson?

  And that's much more interesting than mere infantile satiation. And so that's what God is offering to Abraham. And what you have to understand is this is a definition of God. It's not a description precisely, it's a definition. And so here's something to contemplate. There's no difference between the voice of adventure that properly calls to you and the voice of the divine itself.

• 14:30Speaker 05

  Imagine your favorite lecture. Dial that on one max, put that on steroids, and then add some cinematic elements to it. That's the best way I could describe a Peterson Academy lecture.

• 14:44Speaker 06

  I went to college because I had to. I go to Peterson Academy because I want to. I'm still paying off college from 10 years ago. And I'm also still questioning the value that I got out of college.

• 14:53Speaker 05

  In traditional universities, a lot of times it's just pretty dry. They don't bring the same energy as the professors at Peterson Academy.

• 15:00Speaker 06

  It is a completely different experience to learn from somebody who actually wants to teach you.

• 15:04Speaker 03

  If you ring on the fence about this, this is the time.

• 15:08Speaker 07

  That thing that's calling to you, you won't have an answer for it unless you grow and see for yourself. You have the opportunity to investigate that calling.

• 15:17Jordan B. Peterson?

  Okay, so God's offer to Abraham comes with a a set of associated offerings. The contract that God establishes with Abraham, this is what a covenant is. It's a contract. And I'll explain that. It's a contract, it's a relational contract. And so what God tells Abraham is that if he has enough courage to leave where he's comfortable, there will be a set of consequences. And the consequences are actually rather magnificent. And this is what justifies the risk. And so what God tells Abraham is that if he ventures forward in good faith and makes the proper sacrifices,

• 16:01Jordan B. Peterson?

  then he'll become the father of nations. Right? Okay, so that's quite the offer. And so you could take that apart. It means that not only will he have children and they'll thrive, but his children will have children and they'll have children and they'll all thrive and they'll thrive in a way that's expanding and they'll thrive in a way that makes them the masters of their circumstance. Because God tells Abraham, for example, that

• 16:29Jordan B. Peterson?

  the land of Canaan, which is the land of the,

• 16:33Jordan B. Peterson?

  what would you say? The land of Canaan is the land of those who have abandoned their relationship with the divine. God tells Abraham that the inhabitants of the land of Canaan will flee before his descendants. And so the offer there is that if Abraham is courageous in his conviction, he'll deliver to his children a pattern of being that will enable them to be victorious wherever they make themselves present. And that's what you want for your children too, is you want them to,

• 17:06Jordan B. Peterson?

  you want them to embody a pattern of attention and action that is highly likely to make themselves successful wherever they go. Now you can imagine a predatory kind of success where I get what I need or want at your expense. Right? That's a zero-sum game sort of accomplishment on my part. I have much, but you have nothing. And the reason I have anything is because I've taken it from you. But that isn't what God offers to Abraham either. He says to Abraham, "If you follow the voice of adventure when it calls to you, then you'll be a blessing to yourself." Well, so that's a good thing to know because you could imagine that

• 17:49Jordan B. Peterson?

  you move forward viciously and accrue your wealth and opportunity at the expense of other people. But the price you pay for that, let's say, is that at least some of the time, insofar as you're still human, you're at the mercy of the conscience that calls you out for your misbehavior. Or you could imagine that you move forward in a way that provides you what you need and want. But you do it, it happens in a manner that simultaneously makes what you do extremely useful to the people around you. You know, and one of the things that's really remarkable about your country and probably foremost among all the countries, not only in the world now, but all the countries that have ever been, is that

• 18:31Jordan B. Peterson?

  you Americans have done a very good job of acting out the proposition that that's possible, the notion that you could make your fortune, let's say. But if you did it in the proper manner, if you pursued the interest that would enable you to be, for example, a productive and generous entrepreneur, that your wealth would not only not come at the expense of other people, but would simultaneously make other people wealthy as you advanced. And you know that's the case because your country is the richest country that there's ever been, even though a relatively small proportion of people in your country are also hyper affluent. Right? So you got to have your cake and eat it too. And I would say, there's no reason to assume

• 19:16Jordan B. Peterson?

  that your success has to come at the expense of the success of your family. In fact, if you construed your success properly, you'd be successful in a way that would help your wife be successful. And then you'd both be successful in a way that would help your children be successful. And hopefully they would be successful in a way that would help their friends flourish. And that could just stack up and all the way up the hierarchy of social order. And we know that's possible because it happened in, it happens in the Western democracies. And it particularly happens and continues to happen in your country. So it's not a pipe dream. And it's also the proper answer to the skeptics who say, "Well, all wealth, let's say, is generated at the cost of the exploitation of others."

• 20:02Jordan B. Peterson?

  It's like, no true wealth is generated at the cost of the exploitation of others. That's not wealth. That's manipulation, and it's a form of criminality, and it doesn't sustain itself well across time. And the wealth that your country is actually founded on, in its most fundamental sense, is not the wealth of the thieves. And you can tell that, all you have to do is move around your country and see how it's laid out. It's productive and thriving. In the main, there's corruption, of course, there is in every system and every situation, but... But it's possible for people to pursue the adventure of their life not only without doing that at the expense of other people,

• 20:46Jordan B. Peterson?

  but doing it in a manner that's of aid to other people. Look, imagine your child's on a team, and a sports team, and you know, maybe they're the best player. But let's imagine that they're better than the best player in some ways, so they have the skill that enables them to be the best player, but they also have the social graces that enable them to be a good sport, right? A truly admirable athlete, and so what does that mean? Well, maybe they're the captain of their team, and their voted captain as a consequence of popular acclaim. And the reason for that is that they help all their teammates, and they pass to them when it's necessary, so that someone else can share the glory. And they help the younger people on the team develop. And they even do that in a way so that when they're on the playing field,

• 21:29Jordan B. Peterson?

  they're gracious to their opponents, who they obviously need in order to play the game at all. And so not only are they skillful in what they do, but they're a credit to their team. And then when you watch them as a parent, you can be doubly proud, not only because they have the skill necessary to get the job done, but because they do that in a way that multiplies the skill of everyone around them. And then you can say that you've succeeded as a parent, and you can be properly celebratory when your child wins the championship, because they've won two championships, and one is the one that constitutes the victory in the game, and the other is the one that constitutes the victory of their establishment, of a pattern of play that will aid them in their entire life.

• 22:12Jordan B. Peterson?

  We know this is the case, we know that this is possible. And that's what God tells Abraham, is that if you follow the voice of adventure without fail and make the proper sacrifices, that you can establish a mode of being that's maximally beneficial to you if you are treating yourself properly while simultaneously being the benefit that will benefit everyone else and that will transmit itself in an expanding form down the generations. That's what you hope if you're a mother, you know, if you're a stay-at-home mother, let's say, and you've sacrificed your own career to some degree to ensure that your children are well situated. You're playing the long game, right?

• 22:55Jordan B. Peterson?

  You're hoping that the investment that you make in your children pays off in their thriving, and then in the thriving of their children, and so forth, down the generations. And you have no idea how much you affect in eternity by acting properly locally. And the offer that God makes to Abraham is that if you follow the voice of adventure, the pull of adventure forward, then that pull manifested fully will produce those consequences. And that's a good deal. You know, because Abraham has to ask himself, "Well, why would I leave the comfort... Why would I leave comfort behind?" And the answer to that is, there's something much better than comfort.

• 23:41Jordan B. Peterson?

  Right? There's challenge voluntarily met. You know, and you can think about that in the most fundamental sense if you want, by placing the story of Abraham in the full context of Christianity. I mean, the Christian injunction, the demand of Christianity, is that people shoulder the burden of the entire... The burden of the pain of the world on their own shoulders. Right? That's the ask, that's what it means to voluntarily shoulder the cross. It means to face the challenge even of death, and worse than that, the challenge of the confrontation with evil. And the eternal promise is that if you do that voluntarily,

• 24:26Jordan B. Peterson?

  if you confront all that horror, that you see through the darkness to the light, and that the consequence of that is not only your redemption, but the redemption of mankind. And I think that's right. And I can't see how it can be any other way, because the alternative hypothesis is that you could avoid the challenging realities of life and thereby protect yourself. And I see no evidence whatsoever that that's ever true. It's certainly not true locally, day to day. You pay for everything you avoid. We know perfectly well on the clinical side of things that if you're terrified of your life, the way to lead you forward is to teach you how to confront the things that you're avoiding. You get braver and better if you do that.

• 25:10Jordan B. Peterson?

  And the limits to that aren't well defined. You know, the great men of history, the great individuals of history are people who faced the worst terror that threatened them immediately and in the long term, and maintained their upward orientation and told the truth, and led people out of tyranny and away from slavery toward the promised land. It's the eternal story of mankind, and it's the religious... It's the religious pathway forward towards the highest good. And that's what Abraham is asked to do. And along the way, he's asked to sacrifice. And he starts his adventure with the sacrifice.

• 25:53Jordan B. Peterson?

  And the reason for that, and this is a very difficult thing to realize, but a very simple thing to grasp once you've understood it, the reason for that is every time you step out of your zone of comfort and move forward into a new adventure, you'll have to sacrifice something. That's why you're afraid to do it. You know, imagine you have a job, and you don't really like it. You know, you're bored by it, and you feel, "And why are you bored?" Because it suited you yesterday, but it doesn't suit you tomorrow. It doesn't call you forward to be more than you are. And so it pays the bills, let's say, and it provides for your family, but it's killing your soul.

• 26:36Jordan B. Peterson?

  And you have a dream to establish your own business, let's say. Who knows what your dream is? And you're afraid to do it, because you'll have to sacrifice your security. And every time you step forward on something that's new and adventurous, you have to sacrifice your security by definition. And you might say, "Why do that?" And that's a very good question, and the answer is, there's more to life than security by a large margin. Or you could say something slightly different. You could say that true security is not to be found in safety. And you know that if you have children, because you don't do everything you can to make your children safe.

• 27:20Jordan B. Peterson?

  Not if you're sensible. You do what's reasonable to make them safe, and then you do everything you can to make them brave and confident. And there's no reason to assume that you wouldn't do the same thing to yourself if you took care of yourself properly, because it's better to be brave and competent than to be secure, partly because there is no security. There's no security apart from bravery and competence. And maybe enough bravery and competence is the security that brings security and opportunity to everyone. And I think that that's the case. And that's what God tells Abraham. If you move forward and you make the proper sacrifices, then the world will lay itself at your feet.

• 28:05Jordan B. Peterson?

  And that's the American dream, that's for sure. We believe that that's a possibility for everyone. We certainly hope that that's a possibility for our children. You know, and the wonderful thing about your country is that you believe that, and you actually celebrate people in the main who have enough courage to do it. And look at what the consequences been.

• 28:25Jordan B. Peterson?

  You know, for all the faults of the West, what are you gonna trade it for? You know, anything that's ever made itself manifest? No, why do people want to move here? For all its faults? Because for all its faults, it's a hell of a lot better than wherever they are now.

• 28:43Jordan B. Peterson?

  That's an indication, you know?

• 28:47Jordan B. Peterson?

  Bueno, no solo es 250 años de prueba, prueba práctica, pero tu país emergió de una matriz que produjo muchos otros países bastante buenos, aproximadamente los países del mundo occidental, y todos han sido exitosos con el mismo conjunto de proposiciones, así que no es como si la evidencia no estuviera ahí. Las personas libres que toman responsabilidad por sus vidas pueden producir los estados que todos piensan, los estados y los psíquios que todos piensan considerar que hacen que la vida valga la vida. Y ese es el patrón que te están llamando a embodyrlo. Y aquí está lo que es tan notable sobre la oferta de Abraham o sobre la oferta de Dios.

• 29:29Jordan B. Peterson?

  Él básicamente dice a Abraham: "Si prestas atención al llamado a la aventura, te redimirá". Quiero decir, no hay nada que puedas querer más que eso. Y dije que hablaría de eso biológicamente. Bueno, sabemos que los niños tienen un impulso por la madurez, ¿verdad? Quieren crecer. ¿Sabes cuán felices son los niños cuando hacen algo difícil que indica que ahora se están moviendo de ser dos a ser tres, de moverse de la infancia a la infancia temprana, dominando algo que no han dominado antes? Cuán alegres están de sí mismos cuando hacen eso y cuán feliz eres de verlo. Es una manifestación del instinto que los lleva a un desarrollo más profundo.

• 30:11Jordan B. Peterson?

  ¿Y por qué no tendríamos ese instinto? Debido a que tenemos el instinto de vivir. ¿Y por qué ese instinto no se manifesta en nosotros en los confines de nuestra experiencia diaria? ¿Cómo podría ser de otra manera? Y tal vez lo que hace es que se manifeste en nosotros al agarrar nuestro interés en algo y nos convence hacia adelante, ¿sabes? Tenemos un sueño, tenemos una visión de lo que podría ser. Tenemos una sensación de quién podríamos ser si nos desarrolláramos completamente. Tenemos un espejo de eso y atrae nuestra atención y nos adentramos en ello. Y tal vez no tengamos la fe para perseguirlo, pero estamos bastante felices con nosotros mismos cuando lo manejamos. Y estamos emocionados cuando vemos a alguien que amamos hacerlo. Y tal vez seamos celosos cuando lo vemos en nuestros amigos, si ellos lo hacen real y nosotros no.

• 30:54Jordan B. Peterson?

  Y tal vez eso nos lleva a un abismo de tristeza y resentimiento y vida perdida y oportunidad perdida. Y ese es un tipo de infierno. Y esa es la consecuencia de, ¿qué diríamos?, seeking de seguridad sin fe. Y eso no es algo bueno. Y así no solo tenemos lo que deberíamos querer si realmente queríamos lo que deberíamos tener en nuestros dedos, sino que tenemos un infierno que podría abrirse debajo de nosotros si prehemos esa oportunidad. Eso es lo que hace Kane, ¿verdad? Kane hace sacrificios de segunda categoría. Él no está todo en su aventura y la consecuencia de eso es que falla.

• 31:34Jordan B. Peterson?

  Y se vuelve triste en consecuencia de eso, y luego resentioso, y luego murderousio, y luego su offspring se vuelve genocidal, y luego viene la inundación. Bueno, Dios hace un muy buen acuerdo con Abraham. Y si imaginas que te atreves a presumir que aquello que te llama hacia la aventura era idéntico con la divinidad en sí misma, y si te metes en esa búsqueda, que te sentirías bien con el mundo y serías una bendición para todos los que te rodean. Eso parece un riesgo que tomar, especialmente si consideras las consecuencias de la alternativa.

• 32:16Jordan B. Peterson?

  No podrías pedir nada más si pudieras pedir lo que querías si fueras sensible y cuidaras por ti mismo. Y esa es la oferta que Dios da a Abraham, seguir el sueño de tu vida y hacer los sacrificios a lo largo del camino. Bueno, ¿por qué sacrificios? Bueno, siempre tienes que dejar algo irse cuando cambias. Esa es la definición de cambio, ¿verdad? Sabes perfectamente bien que a medida que te madures, a la medida que te madures, te madures porque dejas irse lo que es inmaduro cuando avanzas. Y transformas tu personalidad como consecuencia. Y cada vez que avanzas en un dominio de oportunidades ampliadas, te están llamando a hacer el sacrificio requisito y se expanden en escala mientras avanzas.

• 33:02Jordan B. Peterson?

  Sabes, Abraham empieza como Abram y se renombró cuando los sacrificios suben. Y la razón de eso en parte es que a medida que transformas, cuando avanzas, te llamarán a transformarte lo suficiente que será como si fueras una nueva persona, ¿verdad? Has dejado mucho de lo que te atrapó en el pasado detrás, que ya no eres ni el mismo ser humano, ¿verdad? Es como un batizaje por fuego, con tu espíritu purificado por el sacrificio consecuencial de toda tu estupidez, inmadurez, estupidez, tristeza y resentimiento. Todo eso tienes que esparcir mientras avanzas. Y ¿cuál es la consecuencia de eso?

• 33:45Jordan B. Peterson?

  Es que existes en un exceso sin fin de oportunidades que aumentan, ¿verdad? Y esa es una buena visión de la escalera de Jacob que te espirala hacia arriba y alejarte del abismo. Y es una visión de el自 mismo, porque el自 es un lugar que es bueno pero todavía está mejor. Y eso es lo que es una vida correctamente conducta. Y esa es una vida que es una consecuencia de la奔向向上, el sacrificio voluntario en nombre del bien, ¿verdad? Y no hay diferencia entre eso y la relación covenial con el divino. Es lo mismo.

• 34:25Jordan B. Peterson?

  Abraham está llamado a hacer sacrificios y cada vez tiene una aventura transformadora. La naturaleza del sacrificio sube. Y la historia eterna es que Dios te llamará a hacer todo en el nombre de tu aligencia con lo más alto. Y así Cristo dice en los Gáuspas, por ejemplo, que "Cualquiera que prefiere a su familia, prefiere a su madre y padre y a su hermano a él será rechazado". Es algo muy duro y extraño de decir, pero lo que significa fundamental es que,

• 35:04Jordan B. Peterson?

  y esto es una cuestión de definición también, es que a medida que avanzas hacia el gran más allá, digamos, perseguir lo que es bueno, es que todo tiene que ser sacrificado a lo que es aún mejor y que no hay límite a la demanda de ese sacrificio. Y así cuando nos encontramos con Abraham en la historia que voy a relacionar contigo ahora, él está llamado a hacer un sacrificio que aproxima al sacrificio ultimate. Abraham ha sido prometido que no solo se convertirá en un crédito a sí mismo, que su nombre será recordado y que será un crédito a otros, pero que será el padre de las naciones. Y es un hombre viejo y sin hijos cuando esta promesa se lo entregó.

• 35:47Jordan B. Peterson?

  Y después de mucho esfuerzo y tristeza, su esposa, Sara, Sara primero y luego Sara porque también se renombró, finalmente tiene un hijo, Isaac. Y ellos son muy viejos cuando esto sucede, demasiado viejos para que esto realmente suceda, y aún así lo hace. Y han luchado durante décadas para tener este niño frente a la catástrofe de su vida. Y finalmente se lo entregaron y están emocionados por encima de la comprensión de esta oportunidad y lo consideran como una cumplimiento de la promesa de Dios y las consecuencias de sus sacrificios. Y esto es lo que pasa.

• 36:27Jordan B. Peterson?

  Y pasaron después de estas cosas, las aventuras de la vida de Abraham, que Dios tentó a Abraham y dijo: "Abraham". Y Abraham dijo: "Aquí estoy". Y él dijo: "Toma ahora tu hijo, tu único hijo, Isaac, a quien amas, y entra en la tierra de Moriah y ofende él allí por una ofrecida quemada en una de las montañas, de la que te diré". Bueno, este es un pasaje que los racionales atheístas que odian al dios del Antiguo Testamento señalan cuando describen la crueldad de la deidad sobre la que la cultura judío-christiana es predicada.

• 37:07Jordan B. Peterson?

  ¿Qué tipo de figura monstruosa llamaría a un gran profeta y acolíte a sacrificar el hijo que ama? Es un problema muy complicado. Para entenderlo, primero tenemos que cambiar nuestro entendimiento a un análisis del sacrificio en sí.

• 37:30Jordan B. Peterson?

  ¿Qué significa sacrificar?

• 37:33Jordan B. Peterson?

  Significa renunciar a algo con la esperanza de invertir en algo que venga. Una cuenta bancaria es un sacrificio. ¿Por qué? Bueno, porque pones tu dinero en el banco en lugar de gastarlo en drogas y cocaine ahora. Correcto, correcto, pero realmente quiero decir esto en el sentido más profundo posible. Es que sacrificar es renunciar a los placeres del momento para la estabilización del futuro y el aumento de la oportunidad en el futuro y el beneficio de la comunidad social. Así que mientras se desarrolla, se aleja del deseo de gratificación inmediata por sus piernas

• 38:16Jordan B. Peterson?

  a la capacidad de renunciar a la gratificación para que puedas estabilizarte a través del tiempo. Salvas para tu futuro, digamos, pero al mismo tiempo lo haces también en servicio a las personas que te rodean, ¿verdad? Así que te preocupas por ti mismo y tu futuro, pero también preocuparte por ti y tu esposa y tu familia y luego tu comunidad. Así que empiezas a conductarte, no tanto para que obtengas exactamente lo que quieres ahora mismo, sin importar lo que sea y sin importar a qué coste lo obtienes, a un patrón de actividad que constituye renunciar a la gratificación inmediata en servicio de la comunidad y el futuro.

• 38:57Jordan B. Peterson?

  Eso es un gesto sacrificial y es el gesto sacrificial sobre el que se fundó la comunidad. La comunidad por definición requiere el sacrificio del individuo a la comunidad. Es la definición de lo que constituye comunal. Si eres un niño que no juega bien con otros, no puedes dejar que otras personas tomen su turno. Solo quieres jugar los juegos que son tus juegos. Para tomar tu lugar en la comunidad social, tienes que ofrecer tus deseos inmediatos a un juego a largo plazo y armonioso. Así que la comunidad misma está predica de sacrificar, justo como tu estabilidad psicológica a largo plazo y oportunidad está predica de sacrificar.

• 39:42Jordan B. Peterson?

  Ahora, dramatizamos esto durante miles de años sin entenderlo explícitamente en lo mínimo. Así que fui a Jerusalén el año pasado con un amigo mío y caminamos la Vía de la Rosa, ¿verdad? El camino de la cruz y terminamos en la Catedral de la Iglesia Santo Sepulchra, que fue la primera iglesia cristiana fundada en el sitio de la crucifixión de Cristo. Así que en el centro de la iglesia está el lugar del sacrificio y esta iglesia rodea eso. Y rodear la iglesia es la comunidad y esa es la fundación de la ciudad.

• 40:19Jordan B. Peterson?

  Y la razón para eso es que dramatizamos incluso en nuestra arquitectura la noción de que la comunidad está fundada en el sacrificio. Ya te mencioné lo que significa el sacrificio. No es diferente de trabajo porque el trabajo es una forma de sacrificio y sabemos que la estabilidad de la vida y la comunidad depende del trabajo. Y la pregunta que debemos hacernos es ¿qué trabajo suficiente? Y en la historia de Cain y Abel, Cain hace ofertas o sacrificios que son de segundo tipo y Abel hace las ofertas que son de la mejor calidad y ofrece... Dramatiza y saca de él porque no se entiende explícitamente, todavía se cumple en ritual.

• 41:04Jordan B. Peterson?

  Y toma lo mejor que posee, lo mejor que tiene. Y en el caso de Abel, quien es un heredero, toma el primer nacido sin castigo de su flock y toma los mejores cortes y las mejores partes de los mejores cortes y quemanlos y ofrezca a Dios. Es una dramatización arcaica del sacrificio y está predica de la idea de que el Dios que está por encima en el infinito espacio del cielo está agradecido por el recibo del mensaje que el mejor ha sido ofrecido. Así que esa es una manera muy anachronística o arcaica de ver la relación con Dios y la comunicación a través de ella,

• 41:46Jordan B. Peterson?

  pero tiene dentro de sí, de una manera dramática, los sembrados de una verdad muy profunda, que es que haces tu paz con el orden del mundo ofreciendo continuamente lo mejor de ti, lo más valioso que tienes. Y luego podrías decir, bueno, ¿cuál es el ofrecimiento posible de valor final? Y puedes contemplar eso bastante rápidamente. Ofrecer lo mejor es ofrecerte a ti mismo, esa es una respuesta a esa pregunta, todo lo mejor de ti. Ofrecer eso con todo el corazón y sin reservas y con coraje. Pero una ofrecimiento igualmente profundo es el de tu hijo. Y podrías decir, bueno, ¿qué significa ofrecer tu hijo a Dios?

• 42:30Jordan B. Peterson?

  Y yo diría, bueno, eso es lo que haces si eres un padre y tienes algún sentido. Esto es particularmente cierto de las madres. Así que fui a Saint Peters en Roma y en Saint Peters hay una gran estatua, la piedra que Michelangelo dibujó de un sótano de marbilla cuando tenía 24 años. Genio absoluto a 24 años y María es más grande que la vida y una hermosa mujer, una madre que se retrata en esta hermosa posición escuialtada, sentada con el cuerpo roto de su hijo en sus brazos, mirando serena y afuera. Y a menudo considero la piedra como el equivalente femenino de la crucifixión. La razón para eso es que no hay nada más doloroso que la ofrecimiento de tu hijo al mundo.

• 43:13Jordan B. Peterson?

  Y quiero decir literalmente nada más doloroso, dado que la mayoría de los padres morirían si significaba que podían prevenir la muerte de sus hijos. Así que es una pregunta abierta si la ofrecimiento completo de ti mismo es el sacrificio más alto o la ofrecimiento completo de tu hijo. Una de las cosas fascinantes de la historia de la crucifixión es que son ambos sacrificios a la vez. Y tal vez Dios hace el sacrificio más doloroso, que es el sacrificio del hijo. No, y la combinación del sacrificio del hijo y el ser es, podrías decir, el sacrificio final. Y es el sacrificio final que es más agradable al divino. ¿Qué significa ofrecer tu hijo a Dios o sacrificar tu hijo a Dios?

• 43:57Jordan B. Peterson?

  Y significa dejarlos ir, encorajarlos, ¿a qué? Para salir al mundo y tener la aventura de su vida y ser roto debido a ello, porque eso es lo que va a pasar. Pero, ¿cuál es la alternativa?

• 44:11Jordan B. Peterson?

  ¿Qué eterno, qué dirías, la desesperación nihilista del juvenil eternamente juvenil? Estamos viendo cuáles son las consecuencias de eso en nuestra sociedad ahora. El desespero de lanzar a las personas que sostienen su adolescencia hasta sus 50 y son brutalmente tristes y asesinos y como veneno como veneno como consecuencia.

• 44:35Jordan B. Peterson?

  Si eres una buena madre, ¿qué dijo el psicoanalista en los años 2020? La buena madre necesariamente falla. Bueno, ¿qué significa eso? Bueno, cuando tu hijo tiene seis meses, deberías hacer todo lo que puedas para cuidarlos en cada momento. Pero a la hora de que tengan un año, es hora de exponerlos a las catastrofes de la vida, ¿verdad? ¿Quieres hacer eso en el borde? ¿No quieres sobornarlos con el desafío? Pero ciertamente no quieres protegerlos de ello. Quieres, quieres verlos y establecer una relación con ellos para que puedas verlos bailando en el borde y tener el coraje de facilitar eso santo, aunque podría romper tu corazón verlos ir. Y tu corazón supone que debe ser roto, ¿verdad? ¿Y cuál es el ofrecimiento?

• 45:19Jordan B. Peterson?

  Bueno, si dejas a tus hijos ir, los conseguirás de vuelta.

• 45:24Jordan B. Peterson?

  Y eso es lo que pasa, tan cerca como puedes recuperarlos o tal vez tan cerca como incluso los quieras recuperar. Porque si tienes algún sentido, bueno, seriamente, si tienes algún sentido, no quieres un 55 a 7 años en tu basura.

• 45:46Jordan B. Peterson?

  Así que Dios dice a Abraham, mira, tienes que ofrecer incluso a tu hijo. Y Abraham piensa, bueno, eso es un asunto muy bueno. He estado trabajando a mi misma para el hueso para asegurarme de que este niño aparece y esto va a ser bastante duro para mi esposa, que tiene 85 años cuando finalmente nace y aún así continuaré el patrón sacrificial de mi vida. Así que suben al monte, Abraham se levanta temprano en la mañana y se sienta en su cintura y tomó a dos de los jóvenes con él, a Isaac, su hijo, y clavó el madera para la ofrecimiento quemado y se levantó y fue al lugar que Dios le había dicho. En el tercer día, Abraham levantó sus ojos y vio el lugar tan lejos.

• 46:29Jordan B. Peterson?

  Abraham dijo a sus jóvenes, ¿se quedan aquí con la cintura y yo y el chico vamos a la afuera y adoramos, celebramos, nos dedicamos a lo más alto y vuelvan a ustedes. Y Abraham tomó la madera del ofrecimiento quemado y la puso sobre Isaac, su hijo, tomó el fuego en su mano y una espada y ambos se fueron juntos. Sabes, y esto es, tal vez tomes a tu hijo por primera vez a un partido de fútbol organizado o a un partido de béisbol y es un poco temblante y tú... Y viene con usted de todos modos, aunque tiene miedo e introvertido, tal vez un poco del lado ansioso. Y te sientas con él y él tiene suficiente fe en ti para acompañarte a donde quieras ir

• 47:12Jordan B. Peterson?

  y te lo empujas hacia adelante y dices, mira, niño, esto es aterrador y es desafiante y parece que está un poco más allá de ti, pero puedo hacerlo. Y camina, su hijo en buena fe camina hacia adelante con usted hacia su destino, ¿verdad? Y eso es lo que intentas foster como padre y ciertamente estás sacrificando su infancia para hacer eso.

• 47:38Jordan B. Peterson?

  You sacrifice his childhood, so that something greater can take its place. And that's a true sacrifice and a true loss. And every mother has her moment of pain when she leaves her child for the first day at school, because she knows that her toddlerhood is over and that time of life has passed. And there's some genuine sorrow in that. And if she has any sense, she does it with a smile that masks her sorrow and maybe goes home to cry, but is thrilled that, you know, she's gonna lose this creature who she's invested everything in. And that's what lends her motherhood a more than a touch of heroism, right?

• 48:17Jordan B. Peterson?

  That willingness to sacrifice towards the child's better nature, regardless in some sense of the cost. And the cost of placing your child out in the world is always the totality of your child. You're always offering your child to death and to the evil of the world. We know that so many women now decide not to have children. They say, "Well, who would dare to bring a child into a world such as this?" Despite the fact the world is now better and easier than it's ever been in the entire history of mankind, a conscious mother is still going to ask herself whether the price of entry into this world of toil and trouble is worth the investment.

• 49:00Jordan B. Peterson?

  And the mother who follows the pattern of Mary, who's called upon to become the mother of God, is the woman who says that even if the price is catastrophe and hell, the provision of the child is eternally worthwhile. And it's that decision upon which society itself depends. And we have to understand that there's heroism in that and faith.

• 49:30Jordan B. Peterson?

  And Isaac spake unto Abraham's father and said, "My father..." And he said, "Here am I, my son." And he said, "Behold, the wood and the fire, but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?" And Abraham said, "My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering." So they went, both of them, together, and they came to the place where God had told them of. And Abraham built an altar there and laid the wood in order and bound Isaac his son and laid him upon the altar on the wood. And Abraham stretched forth his hand and took his knife to slay his son. And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven and said, "Abraham." "Abraham," and he said, "Here am I." And he said, "Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do anything to him,

• 50:14Jordan B. Peterson?

  for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, from me." And Abraham lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, him behind a ram caught in a thicket by his horns. And Abraham went up and took the ram and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son. And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah Jireh, and it is said to this day, "In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen." And the angel of the Lord called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time and said, "By myself have I sworn," saith the Lord, "for because thou hast not done this thing, or hast done thy thing this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son,

• 50:56Jordan B. Peterson?

  that in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand, which is upon the seashore, and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies, and thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because thou hast obeyed my voice."

• 51:17Jordan B. Peterson?

  Well, what sort of son do you want to raise for that son to be the sort of man who will attract a woman who will want to be with him and a man who can produce the children that you'll admire as their grandfather? And the children who can attract their own mates and establish their own families and so on down the generations? And the answer to that question is embedded in the story. And the answer to the question is that you establish the pattern of sacrifice that even sacrifices your children themselves to what's highest, because in that sacrifice, the pattern that ensures the propagation of the generations is to be established.

• 52:02Jordan B. Peterson?

  And what happens as a consequence? Well, Abraham gets his son back. And more than that, there's a miraculous transformation in ritual conduct that occurs simultaneously. And it's the establishment of the principle of substitutionary sacrifice. And this is a transformation of immense significance, that it's the beginning of the transformation of the idea of the ritual of sacrifice out of the domain of concrete dramatization and into the realm of the psychological.

• 52:45Jordan B. Peterson?

  You fight with your wife, and you fight with your wife because there's something wrong with your personality. You fight with your wife because a spirit of resentment and deception inhabits you. And your wife could sacrifice the marriage to solve that problem. And you could sacrifice your relationship with your wife to free her from the dominion of your devil, let's say. Or you could sacrifice what's worst about you instead and allow the relationship to continue. And that's a form of substitutionary sacrifice. And this is what we've learned to do as modern human beings, as the religious enterprise has developed and unfolded,

• 53:27Jordan B. Peterson?

  is that as we've become more and more sophisticated, we've learned that instead of sacrificing ourselves in the concrete manner that the original ritualistic sacrifice is demanded, to offer up, for example, the immolation of the best of our flocks to God, we can offer up the fragments of ourselves that are unworthy to be burned in the divine fire, so that we can move ourselves forward as increasingly

• 54:03Jordan B. Peterson?

  as increasingly sinless creatures towards this expanding horizon of opportunity. And that was a transformation in attitude that took humanity thousands and thousands of years to manage to see the psychological equivalent, let's say, of confession, "This is what's wrong with me", of the desire to reconcile, and that's atonement, and the offering of what's insufficient about the self to be demolished, so that we move forward and develop, right? That's the benefit of thought itself, right? And why do we think? And why do we criticize our thoughts?

• 54:46Jordan B. Peterson?

  We think so that we can come up with new selves, and we think critically, so that our stupid ideas can die instead of us. And that's a substitutionary sacrifice that's pleasing to God. And it's the hallmark of movement forward and adaptation itself, to let go of everything about you that's an obstacle to your own progress as new adventures and opportunities beckon. And that's not a straightforward thing to manage. And it often means, or sometimes means, you have to literally give up what you love most, right? But that's still holding you back. The identity that you have now, sometimes the friends you have, sometimes the career that's offering you security,

• 55:30Jordan B. Peterson?

  sometimes even members of your family, who's a relationship with whom cannot be maintained if you're continuing to abide by the voice that guides you to the adventure of your life. The continual sacrificial movement up the holy mountain towards the beckoning gates of paradise, right? The city of Jerusalem on the hill. That's the pattern of life. That's what God offers Abraham, is a succession of expanding opportunities accompanied by a succession of sacrifices of increasing magnitude

• 56:09Jordan B. Peterson?

  with the promise offered that if that voyage is undertaken wholeheartedly and in good faith, then there's no limit to the degree to which uphill progress can be made manifest. And it's the opposite of a vision of hell, and we all know, and this is something to note, that we all believe, we know perfectly well, that there's no situation that's so bad that there isn't something stupid you could do to make it worse. And you certainly see that in your own life. And you see that in the collapse of states themselves. You see that in the tyrannical doubling down, let's say, of states like Stalinist Russia, where things got so bad in the 1920s

• 56:53Jordan B. Peterson?

  that people were literally cannibalizing their own children, and there were still new bottoms that could be discovered as a consequence of people's failure to make the adventure of their own life manifest. There's no bottom to the abyss. That's why hell is a bottomless pit. Nothing is so bad that you couldn't make it worse. And the corollary of that, perhaps, is that if you followed the voice that called you to be everything you could be, that there would be no heaven so great that you couldn't still improve it. And you can ask yourself whether you believe that, you could say to yourself, for example, you could be much better than you are, and everyone knows that and calls themselves

• 57:38Jordan B. Peterson?

  out on their conscience for failure to reach that goal, but you could ask yourself simultaneously, certainly know that, to the degree that you have a family, how much better would the people around you be if you were better than you are? And then you could ask, well, what's the limit to that? If you were everything you could be, how much better would everyone around you be? And what would happen if everyone did that? Instead of whatever it is that we're doing, playing both ends against the middle, right? Sitting on the fence and swaying in the wind, refusing to voice what we have to voice when we're called upon because of our cowardly alliance with what gives us false security, refusal to have enough faith to pursue the adventure of our life?

• 58:22Jordan B. Peterson?

  And why does it take faith? Well, what do you know about what might happen? You always step into the abyss when you're moving forward, and you do that with insufficient information. You don't get married because you know what's going to happen. And even if you thought you knew what was going to happen, that doesn't mean you knew what was going to happen. You might have thought you knew who you were when you got married, but you certainly didn't, and neither did your wife. And both of you are still discovering both of those, and maybe you try to put each other in a box so you can remain predictable and secure, but all that does is bore you to the point of despair and take the spirit out of your relationship.

• 59:03Jordan B. Peterson?

  And so, you step forward in your marriage as you do with all major decisions in your life, from a position of ignorance. And why do you step forward? In consequence, since you can't compute the results? And the answer is, well, what do you have faith in? And maybe you have faith in the spirit of adventure that calls you forward to become who you are, and you either have faith in that, or you have faith in the contrary spirit, because that's the only choices that you have. And the fact that you're ignorant and finite and limited means that you're never going to have all the information at your disposal. And so, the faith you need to manifest in order to set your life straight, isn't the

• 59:43Jordan B. Peterson?

  idiot willingness to believe a pack of superstitious lies, but the existential courage to set yourself forward in the manner that straightens you out and makes you more than you are, despite the fact that you have no idea what the consequences will be. One of the things I understood, this is a lovely thing to know, first, we've established that the spirit that calls you to be everything you are is the spirit that calls you to the adventure of your life, and the promise of that adventure is that you could be not only everything you could be, but that for everyone else as well, which is a fine offer. But there's another layer of depth to that that's associated with faith, and that's the analysis of something approximating the truth.

• 1:00:25Jordan B. Peterson?

  Abraham aims up, and he tries to live in truth, and what does it mean to live in truth? It's a form of continual sacrifice. Imagine that you conducted your life so that you ceased to imagine what would happen if you used your words and actions merely to obtain what you wanted, and you determined to act instead so that all you did was lay out what you believed to be true with every gesture and utterance at every moment. Well, what would that mean? It'd mean you'd have to sacrifice what you think you could gain by using your words to manipulate. And what would you gain? You'd gain whatever would happen if you told the truth. Well, imagine this, imagine that if you told the truth, if you lived in truth, that

• 1:01:09Jordan B. Peterson?

  you'd align yourself with the spirit of reality itself. Well, what would happen to you if you aligned yourself with the spirit of reality itself? And the answer to that would be, it would exceed the limits of your wildest dreams. And so, that decision to abide by the spirit of adventure that calls to you in the decision to abide by the truth, leads you to the adventure of your life, which is a place of ever-expanding horizon and the requisite sacrifices. And the value of that is so high that it makes security and wealth, for that matter, pale by comparison. Christ compares the Kingdom of the Heaven to the pearl of great price, and the pearl

• 1:01:53Jordan B. Peterson?

  of great price is a single pearl that any man, no matter how wealthy would... That's so valuable that any man, no matter how wealthy, would sacrifice everything he owns to purchase that one thing. And what's that? Well, how about a life so intrinsically and deeply meaningful that it's a miracle as it unfolds? And what if that was the case, that that would be there for you if you followed the voice of the spirit of adventure? And why wouldn't that be the case? Because you know perfectly well, if you consult your conscience, that in the times of your life where you dared to do that, you did find your best self, and you found those experiences,

• 1:02:33Jordan B. Peterson?

  adventures, that you could rely on when the demons of despair come calling and ask you what you've made of your life, and you go through the banks of your memory and you say to yourself, well, I dared to live once, and this is what happened. What would it be like if you did that all the time? Well, that's the offering that God makes Abraham, is that everything you could imagine would lay itself out in front of you. And you'd see the world for what it is, and that's what the Kingdom of God, whose contours are hidden by the blindness of men. And you see glimmers of that, you know? They attract you by attracting your attention, or they make themselves manifest when you're apprehending someone or something that you love, right?

• 1:03:17Jordan B. Peterson?

  You see the reality of the world make itself manifest most clearly in those situations. It's obscured and hidden from you by your own ignorance and sin the remainder of the time. If you follow the pathway of challenge to the place of maximal development, the scales fall from your eyes, and you can see the pathway forward in a manner that's ever more clear, and that will make of you the person who's capable of bearing the catastrophe of your own existence voluntarily and gratefully and joyfully, and to develop into what you could be and to be a blessing to everyone else.

• 1:03:54Jordan B. Peterson?

  And that's the truth. And so, you sacrifice everything that you have, and everything that you are, and everything that you love to God, who calls upon you to do that, and the reason that you do that is because only a fool wouldn't sacrifice what was lesser for what was greater. And the injunction in the Old Testament, and re-presented in the Gospels in the New Testament, is that you're called upon to let everything within you that isn't perfect go in celebration and worship of what is highest.

• 1:04:33Jordan B. Peterson?

  In the Old Testament, the voice that calls you to do so makes itself manifest in two manners. One of those is illustrated in the story of Abraham, in the insistence that God calls to you with the voice of adventure. God is to be found in the calling that lightens the pathway forward, right? That illuminates you, right? That it's the place that meaning makes itself manifest in your life, and you see that when you're in love, you see that when you're interacting with someone you care for. And maybe you're terrified of that, terrified enough of the love of your children, which calls you to be much better than you are, that you reject it, because the pain of being

• 1:05:16Jordan B. Peterson?

  what they want is so great, because of everything you'd have to abandon about yourself to live up to that. You'll forego that opportunity, and people do that with their children all the time. It's a complete bloody catastrophe for them and their children. But to allow that transformational process to take place means that everything that makes you weak in the face of the travails of life will disappear, painful as that purification process will necessarily be. And your conscience as well, it's the secondary voice of God, that's a good way of thinking about it. The calling asks you to move forward in accordance with the spirit of adventure, and

• 1:06:00Jordan B. Peterson?

  the conscience is the voice of God within telling you when you deviate from the path. And God of the Old Testament is presented in those stories as the interaction between calling and conscience that guides us forward. And that's there for everyone, and everyone knows it, because you know that things grip your attention and ask you to move forward, and you know that you call yourself out on your inadequacies, and you aren't required to do either of those, right? It's an optional choice, because you have free will. But the promise that's laid forward in the biblical corpus is that if you follow the calling and you abide by the dictates of your conscience, that your life will be a

• 1:06:42Jordan B. Peterson?

  never-ending expanse of increased opportunity, as well as the necessary sacrifice that will actually only remove from you every impediment to your further progress. Right? And so, that's the promise, that's the definition of God in the story of Abraham. And that's very... Think about that as a hypothesis or a bet. You can watch how what compels you forward makes itself manifest in your dreams, in your innermost desires. You can consult with yourself to see what it is that you need and want if you were treating yourself properly, and you can dare to walk one step forward, one foot in front

• 1:07:27Jordan B. Peterson?

  of the other incrementally, to make that possibility real. And the offer is that everything that could manifest, everything that could make itself manifest within you, as the incarnation of the divine spirit of your ancestors, will make itself manifest in you. And you'll get that merely by doing what it is that your soul most longs to do. And how could that possibly be a better offer? And you can bolster your conviction to do that by considering the alternative, which are already laid out. Lose the pathway forward and descend. And as you descend, become ever more bitter and work for the destruction of all things.

• 1:08:12Jordan B. Peterson?

  That's the divine world of what, good and evil, that we all inhabit, right? That's the landscape of narrative that lays itself out in the Old Testament corpus, and that is the true description of the earthly garden that human beings inhabit and move through. And that's the story of Abraham. Thank you very much.

• 1:08:57Jordan B. Peterson?

  Gracias a todos.

• 1:09:22Speaker 03

  ¿Necesito que me pase agua?

• 1:09:29Speaker 03

  Primera pregunta: soy policía. ¿Cuál es una de las consejos que puedes dar a los oficiales de la policía en Estados Unidos?

• 1:09:47Speaker 03

  Hace que piensen.

• 1:09:56Jordan B. Peterson?

  Así que en la historia de la Exodisa, tienes un líder, ¿verdad? Tienes un líder, Moisés es el líder. Y la razón por la que Moisés... Moisés es el arquetipo del líder. Puedes pensar a Abraham en algunos sentidos como el arquetipo del individuo. Moisés es el arquetipo del líder. Y el líder... El líder siempre hace lo mismo. Lo que es por lo que Moisés es arquetipo. El líder confronta la tiranía, que todos ustedes hacen, de un grado u otro. Puede ser la tiranía que se imponen a sí mismo. Puede ser la tiranía que su esposa se impone sobre ustedes, o viceversa, o que se imponen entre sí.

• 1:10:39Jordan B. Peterson?

  Puede ser la tiranía de su lugar de trabajo o su estado. No importa. Una de las cosas que confrontamos eternamente como seres humanos es el espíritu de la tiranía. Y simultáneamente hacemos lo que podemos para liberarnos y a aquellos que amamos de las atracciones de la esclavitud. Y un tirano necesita esclavos voluntarios. Y así, liderar a la gente es llevarlos alejados de la tiranía y también alejados de las atracciones de la esclavitud. Y las atracciones de la esclavitud son algo como la inresponsabilidad de la seguridad. ¿Verdad? Y así, todos nos llamó a hacer eso. Y Moisés es llamado por Dios a hacer eso. Y se llamó a liderar de la manera adecuada.

• 1:11:24Jordan B. Peterson?

  Y Moisés está sujeto a una tentación. La mayoría de los profetas bíblicos tienen sus tentaciones, tienen sus debilidades, como todos nosotros, ¿verdad? Quiero decir, cada regalo que se le ha dado se asociará con una tentación equivalentemente potente. Así que, por ejemplo, si eres salvajamente inteligente, tienes la tentación de Luciferio. Y la tentación de Luciferio es presumir que tu intelecto debería gobernar. ¿Verdad? Y así, ese es el precio que se paga por ser dado el privilegio de ser inteligente. Moisés es un líder y lucha con la tentación del poder. Y al principio del cuenta de la Exodisa,

• 1:12:08Jordan B. Peterson?

  Moisés ha tomado a su pueblo esclavista de la farola recalcitrante hacia el desierto. Y la razón por eso es que ahí es donde vas después de abandonar la tiranía. Así que una de las cosas que podrías preguntarte es, ¿por qué la gente sigue siendo sujeto a la tiranía? Su propia y la tiranía comunitaria. ¿Por qué no se levantan y oponen? Y la respuesta es, bueno, hay un riesgo praximal, ¿verdad? Porque si se levanta contra lo que es tiranía, puede que se golpee, especialmente si es inculto. Pero hay algo más sutil escondido como una amenaza. Y eso es, no vas de la tiranía a la tierra prometida. Vas de la tiranía de la certeza a el desierto de la incertidumbre.

• 1:12:52Jordan B. Peterson?

  Y los israelitas terminan allí durante 40 años, aunque sea un viaje de dos semanas. Y lo que esto significa es que a veces todo lo que entendiste, que te obligó falsamente, colapsa. Y no eres libre, eres reprimido. Y esa es una forma de libertad, porque ya no estás dominado por esa tiranía. Pero eres sin objetivos y sin dirección y vagando. Y eso es lo que pasa con los israelitas en el desierto. Y están allí durante mucho tiempo, tres generaciones. Y son malditos, como puede imaginarse. Y todo lo que hacen es quebrar y llorar y complain y luchar entre sí. Y desearan los buenos días de la provisión de Stalin. Y arder su mano a Dios y gritar sobre Moisés.

• 1:13:35Jordan B. Peterson?

  Y quieren voltear y perder la fe y adorar falsos ídolos. Y fiestear desnudos en el desierto, como una fiesta de orgullo.

• 1:13:49Jordan B. Peterson?

  Y así, Moisés... Moisés está tratando de mantenerlos juntos, ¿verdad? Pero tiene esta tentación de usar la fuerza porque está en una posición de autoridad. Se cae a la tentación varias veces en su vida. Cuando es un joven, mata a un egipcio que está acosando a uno de sus hermanos hebrólicos. Y tiene que huir del país. Moisés es un hombre poderoso y es capaz de usar la fuerza. Y Dios le dice repetidamente: "No uses la fuerza cuando la persuasión es una posibilidad. No caigas a la tentación del poder." Y al final del viaje de Moisés, él ha pasado por el desierto durante 40 años. Ha sido un... ¿Cómo lo llamarías? Un sirviente devoto de Dios, persiguiendo un destino difícil

• 1:14:32Jordan B. Peterson?

  con un grupo fractioso de acolites desagradables. Y está justo en el límite del final del viaje. Está justo en la frontera de la tierra prometida misma. Y los israelitas, todavía en el desierto, se han ido de agua una y otra vez. Y se vuelven todos malditos y gritan. Y aunque están muy cerca de donde se supone que deben estar, quieren voltear. Y empiezan a ser fractiosos. Y es toda la catástrofe sin fe. Y vienen a Moisés y dicen: "No tenemos más agua." Y sabes, te prometiste devolvernos y Dios no está devolviendo. ¿Y qué diablos está pasando? ¿Crees que podrías interceder?

• 1:15:12Jordan B. Peterson?

  Y Moisés ha tenido casi suficiente de ellos en este punto, porque son bastante putos, pathéticos y contemptibles. Pero va a Dios de todos modos y dice: "Tu gente carece de agua de vida. ¿Qué tengo que hacer para proporcionarla?" Y Dios dice: "Habla con las rocas del desierto y la agua saldrá." Y así, Moisés va a las rocas que se indican y le golpea dos veces con su personal, ¿verdad? Con la rodilla tradicional que lo guía mientras pasaba por el desierto. Y la consecuencia de eso es que la agua sale y Moisés es condenado a morir antes de entrar en la tierra de melón y leche. ¿Por qué? "No uses la fuerza cuando puedes usar tus palabras." ¿Verdad?

• 1:15:57Jordan B. Peterson?

  Bueno, eso es buena consejo para los policías.

• 1:16:13Speaker 03

  ¿Cuál papel juegan los sueños en nuestra vida? ¿Y cómo podemos usarlos para ver a Dios?

• 1:16:24Jordan B. Peterson?

  Así que Freud creía que los sueños eran misteriosos porque intentaban escondernos las verdades impalables de nuestros más profundos deseos. Y los sueños pueden hacer eso. Pero Jung, Carl Jung, su mejor estudiante, su mejor colega dijo: "No. El sueño intenta hacer que lo completamente incomprehensible sea más comprensible." Así que imagina esto:

• 1:16:59Jordan B. Peterson?

  Hay un dominio de cosas que entiendes y puedes predecir y controlar. Y luego hay un dominio de cosas que no solo no sabes, ni siquiera sabes que no las conoces. Están tan lejos de tu comprensión que ni siquiera tienes las preguntas. Y luego hay un área de intermedio, que es como la frontera entre lo que sabes y lo que no sabes. Y ahí es donde opera el sueño. Y así, el sueño es la manera en la que nuestro pensamiento se extiende antes de que podamos decir lo que pensamos explícitamente. Ahora, puedes ver esto en los niños, porque los niños juegan sus sueños. Y inhabitan un mundo como sueño. Y lo que están tratando de hacer es... Están formulando sus concepciones explícitas en la imaginación.

• 1:17:44Jordan B. Peterson?

  Y la imaginación es como ellos piensan antes de que puedan pensar explícitamente. Así que soñamos el mundo antes de que vivamos en él

• 1:17:55Jordan B. Peterson?

  en una explicable y verbalmente comprensible manera.

• 1:18:02Jordan B. Peterson?

  The unknown, the ritual, the drama, the dream, the story, the poem, the explicable world, right? It's a hierarchy of transformation of knowledge. What children do when they first encounter something they don't understand is act it out. That's what we've done historically. That's what our forefathers did when they acted out the drama of sacrifice. They didn't know how to formulate what a sacrifice was explicitly, and they acted it out. We act things out we don't understand in our imagination. That's what you do when you dream. And I mean this literally. This is what dreams are for. When you dream at night, you're paralyzed.

• 1:18:45Jordan B. Peterson?

  There's a little electronic switch, so to speak, that's turned on when you dream, so that when you're moving in your dream, you don't move and die. And there's been experiments done with cats. Cats were often the targets of such experiments. You can take out that switch, and then when the cats dream, they run around. Come on, that's not good, because of course, their eyes are closed, and they're asleep, and they run into things. That's not good. That wakes them up. When you're dreaming, you're paralyzed, except your eyes. Your eyes move rapidly when you're dreaming, indicating the grip of action by the dream. But it doesn't matter that your eyes move, because you're not going to do yourself any damage as a consequence.

• 1:19:28Jordan B. Peterson?

  So you're acting out the realm of possibility when you dream. And most of what you dream is strange and mysterious, because it's exploratory and daring, right? And you practice in your dream what you could in potential make manifest in your life. And you experiment in your dream, and that's what we would do when we go to movies, because movies are collective dreams, is we experiment with possibility before we embody it and act it out. And the realm of imagination is a place where you experiment with possibility before you act it out. It's a domain of fantastic thought. It's part of the adaptive process that constitutes thinking.

• 1:20:13Jordan B. Peterson?

  And so your dreams are where you extend yourself into the unknown. Now, you can think about this practically. So here's an exercise. You can try this. I formalized this exercise in a series of online activities that you can undertake at a site called selfauthoring.com. So we live in our dreams. So what does that mean? What means we're visionary creatures. You have to inhabit a vision of the world. The vision includes a destination that you hypothetically wish to attain, and that would be a goal that motivates you. And you might ask, "Well, how do you dream up a vision?" And you do what Christ says to do in the Gospels. You knock, and the door will open.

• 1:20:56Jordan B. Peterson?

  Or you ask, and the question will reveal itself. Or you seek, and you'll find. And so how do you do that? An answer is, "By doing it." And so you can try this.

• 1:21:07Jordan B. Peterson?

  Here is something you can do the next time you fight with your partner. You can tell them, "If I could offer you what it is that would satisfy you, in consequence of that argument, what would it be?" And then your partner can go and think, "Okay, I'm fighting about something. What in the world do I actually want?" And then that, and it might be, "I want to win." And that's not wise, because you actually don't want to defeat your husband. Not least because you have to live with him. And so defeat, repeated defeat of your partner is not a winning strategy, right?

• 1:21:45Jordan B. Peterson?

  So you might ask yourself, "If this altercation could produce the most desirable possible, and all things considered, what is it that I would have to obtain?" And you'll have a vision, "What is it I want?" It might take a while for it to make itself clear. It might take overnight. It might take a couple of days of thinking. And you can go to your partner and say, "Well, it seems to me that if this is what you offered me, then I would have what I wanted." And if the person is acting in good faith, which you hope they are, then that might be the solution to the argument. That's the formulation of a vision. You can do that more broadly in your own life.

• 1:22:28Jordan B. Peterson?

  And in this Future Authoring Program, we tried to formalize this. It's like, "Well, what should you do with your life? How would you formulate a vision that would inspire you and keep you moving forward through the obstacles of your life?" And the answer is, "Well, you ask yourself." It's like, "Okay, under what conditions would you be willing to do the effort to put yourself together?" You can ask yourself that. And I mean literally. It's like, "Okay, here's the deal. In five years, you can have what you want and need." Now, we're going to put a couple of assumptions in place. You're going to treat yourself properly while you're formulating this vision. And it has to be within the bounds of the conceivable, right?

• 1:23:13Jordan B. Peterson?

  So you have to be as reasonable as you can manage in consort with your desires. You could imagine to yourself, "If I put my life together in a manner that I would find maximally compelling, how would it look?" You can do that with your wife. It's like, "What do you want?" Five years from now, you can have what you want, but there's a rule. You have to identify it, including what you want from me. And I want you to go think about it genuinely, right? So to open yourself up to see if you can understand what it is that would satisfy someone like you. In the Future Authoring Program, we differentiate that for people to some degree,

• 1:23:56Jordan B. Peterson?

  because it's a pretty overwhelming question, right? "What do you want and need?" That can stop people in their tracks, because it's such a, it's a question of such magnitude. But the alternative to answering it is to blow in the wind, right? Is to be at the whim of the things that are happening immediately around you. And that's not a good plan.

• 1:24:16Jordan B. Peterson?

  So I might say, "Well, if your marriage was everything it could be, what would that look like?" And then you might want to specify that. One of the things I used to do with my clients, for example, one of the ways of specifying that is, imagine the things you do everything, every day in your marriage. Those are the things that make up your life. It isn't the exceptions in your life that make up your life. It's the things you repeat. So maybe you come home every day, from work, let's say. That's something that people generally do. And then there's a transition period of, say, 20 minutes when you first arrive home. So let's say it's 20 minutes. And so it's 100 minutes a week, or 400 minutes a month, or 4,800 minutes a year.

• 1:25:02Jordan B. Peterson?

  And so that's 80 hours. That's two full work weeks. So the time you spend coming home is 2% of your life. So you just have to have 50 things like that. That's your whole life. Okay, so if you were greeted the way that would maximally motivate you when you arrived at home, what would that look like? And you have to ask, and that's terrifying, because you might have to reveal to yourself your vulnerabilities, right? You have to admit to yourself what would actually speak to you. You'd have to admit that, "Well, what do you want? You want a sandwich? You want a beer? You want a hug? You want to talk for 10 minutes? You want to be left the hell alone? Well, you have a shower."

• 1:25:46Jordan B. Peterson?

  I don't know what you want. Maybe you do. And then you could figure out what that was, and you could negotiate toward it. And then you could have that, and you'd have 2% of your life fixed. And you do that 50 times, and man, you've got the whole thing in order. And so, and then maybe your marriage is made up of 10 things like that. Really, that would make up like 80% of your marriage. You know, like, "What are your romantic interludes with your wife like?" Well, hopefully, they repeat. Do you have them in order? Are they right? Are they what you want? Or is your imagination and your dreams leading you to pursue something else? And if so, why? And so maybe you could sort that out, negotiate with your wife, and find out what she wants,

• 1:26:28Jordan B. Peterson?

  and see if jointly you could come together and produce her dream or a vision that would flesh out the romantic portion of your life. And then bang, you've got another 10% under control. And maybe you could think about that with your friendships. And you could think about that with your family relationships, and your education, and your time outside work, and how you take care of yourself, and the service you present to your community. And you could sit and ask yourself, "Okay, if I could set my life in order the way that I would like to live it," which means you could live your life in all its difficulties, "without being bitter and resentful, and looking forward to the opportunity, what do you want?" Well, that's a dream, right? That's a vision, and you can develop that.

• 1:27:14Jordan B. Peterson?

  And then you can work towards it, and then it'll make itself, it'll realize itself if you're willing to make the attendant sacrifices along the way. And that is really how you follow your calling in your conscience. And there's, I've seen this many, many times, and talked to hundreds of people who've tried exactly this sort of thing, you know? You can hit what you aim at.

• 1:27:35Jordan B. Peterson?

  You know what sin means in three different languages? Sin is always derived from an archery term. It means to miss the target. Well, one way you miss the target is by not specifying the target. And you do that to some degree because of laziness, and to some degree because of lack of faith. You might think, "Well, you know, I don't really want to admit to myself what I want, because first of all, I might not get it, and that would be terrible. Second, I might betray myself along the way, so it's best just to keep myself blind, so I don't understand that I'm, so that I don't understand my failure." Jesus, brutal. Better to aim, and miss, and re-aim, you know?

• 1:28:16Jordan B. Peterson?

  At least you learn along the way, and your accuracy and your calibration will improve if you aim. And when you make a plan to begin with and flesh out a dream, it's going to be a little off-kilter, because what the hell do you know? But as you move towards it, you know, if you do that... This is what happens to Abraham. You know, he's a pretty flawed person when he first starts moving forward. He makes lots of mistakes. He lies about his wife when the Egyptian prince attempts to essentially kidnap her and bring her into his harem, because he's too much of a coward to stand up against her. You're going to be a fool when you first start to lay out your vision. But if you attempt that in good faith, you'll adjust your vision and your actions, and you know, you'll...

• 1:28:59Jordan B. Peterson?

  You'll deviate less and less from the pathway forward as you move, and the goal will move as well. And that's a fine deal. And so, well, that's what you have for your dream and your vision. And that's what orients you in your life. And that's what dreams are for. A dream, you live in a dream. If you don't live in your dream, you're living in someone else's. And it might not be the dream of someone you want to dream with. And that's what happens in a tyranny. And that's what happens when you're a slave. And that's not to be recommended. So develop your own dream.

• 1:29:48Speaker 03

  What advice do you have for introducing God and faith to your kids without being pushy as someone who's also tried to find their faith?

• 1:30:06Jordan B. Peterson?

  Well, certainly, example is useful.

• 1:30:11Jordan B. Peterson?

  Practice is useful. You know, we didn't bring our kids to church. And that was a mistake.

• 1:30:19Jordan B. Peterson?

  Part of the reason it was a mistake is because they weren't exposed

• 1:30:24Jordan B. Peterson?

  to the stories. You need to know the stories.

• 1:30:29Jordan B. Peterson?

  You probably also have to act out

• 1:30:33Jordan B. Peterson?

  communally your dedication to the communal sacrifice. And that's what you do when you set aside an hour a week to attend church. When I was stopped going to church when I was 13, I justified that on the basis of the hypocrisy of the churchgoers, who were, in my thoroughly informed opinion, sinners all week, except for the hour they spent in church. I didn't understand at that time that that was better than being sinners all the time, without an hour spent ever looking upward. Right?

• 1:31:15Jordan B. Peterson?

  So I would say, find a church and attend with your kids, and expose your kids to the stories. And if the church isn't everything that you think it might be, then perhaps you should adjust your expectations, because who are you to judge? And maybe you have some judgment to make. But also, maybe the fact that the church is out of order is something you should address. Right? And that part of attending is actually bolstering the institution that you participate in, so that it pursues its its aim with more accuracy. And we can abandon our traditional structures and our rituals, but, and we can do that because we think they're imperfect. But that leaves us

• 1:32:01Jordan B. Peterson?

  with what we have now, and the catastrophic mess of confused ritual that inevitably floods in to replace the flawed institutions of our tradition.

• 1:32:15Jordan B. Peterson?

  Enact the rituals.

• 1:32:19Jordan B. Peterson?

  Learn the music. Expose your kids to the artistic tradition. Tell them the stories. Teach them to be literate and act out the morality that bolsters and fortifies your marriage and makes it deeper with your children present. And that's what you have to offer them. You know, here's an interesting thing, too. So I don't know how much you guys know about this, but as the sexual revolution has progressed, and every form of sexual gratification imaginable is at hand in the realm of pornography and celebrated in every form in the popular culture,

• 1:33:03Jordan B. Peterson?

  the actual amount of sex that people are having is declining precipitously, such that in Japan, for example, 30% of people under 30 are virgins. You know who has the most sex? Religious married people.

• 1:33:23Jordan B. Peterson?

  Right? Well, so, so isn't that remarkable? Right? I mean, who the hell would have ever guessed that? Because the, the popular parlance was that that more fundamentalist proclivity was associated with like a finger-wagging sexual fear. Right? And a, and a stricture. But the reality turned out to be the case that even in the sexual domain, the pathway of maximal

• 1:33:52Jordan B. Peterson?

  engagement on the sexual front turns out to be the disciplined religious pathway that constitutes a long-term heterosexual religious-founded marriage. And so, that's another thing you have to offer your kids, you know, in the, in the face of the blandishment of the idiot hedonists. It's like, no, kid, if you want to be satisfied, it's like have a real relationship. Right? And that is the human pathway forward. We know as well, just so you know, we know as well that people who prefer short-term mating strategies, that's how they're described in the psychological literature, and that's the one-night-stand crowd. What are their associated personality characteristics?

• 1:34:33Jordan B. Peterson?

  It's a marker for the early onset of criminality. The more criminal kids have sex with more partners, younger. That's been known for like 40 years. But at the pure personality level, the short-term hedonistic maters are psychopathic, so that makes them predatory parasites, Machiavellian, so they're manipulative, narcissistic, so they want unearned admiration. And to top it all off, and that was only discovered probably in the last four years, sadistic, which means they take delight in the pain of others. And that's pure empirical investigation, by the way, done by people who essentially lean left,

• 1:35:18Jordan B. Peterson?

  who didn't expect that finding. And so,

• 1:35:23Jordan B. Peterson?

  by offering your children the traditional religious pathway forward and emphasizing the foundation even of the sexual in the committed relationships that are founded and sacralized by the religious, not only do you protect them and discipline them in a manner that will make them maximally productive and generous, but you offer them the best pathway to the deepest pleasures that could possibly inform their lives. Right? Right?

• 1:36:06Jordan B. Peterson?

  Well, it's always good to end with a celebration of sex. So, ha, ha, ha. So, all right, everybody. Thank you very much for coming tonight. And much appreciated. Thanks, Tim.

• 1:36:19Speaker 03

  You're welcome.

• 1:36:28Jordan B. Peterson?

  Thank you, everyone. It's good to see you all.

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