#2561 - LL Cool J

LL Cool J is a Grammy Award-winning rapper, actor, and philanthropist. Look for him on "NCIS: New York," premiering October 6 on CBS and streaming the next day on Paramount+.www.paramountplus.com/shows/ncis-new-york/www.youtube.com/c/LLCoolJwww.wearefamilyfoundation.orgwww.llcoolj.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using https://dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. Switch today at https://www. Visible.com for just 25/mo. Or Save $10 on your first month of Visible+ Pro with code ROGAN. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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  Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

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  Those sorts are unbelievably comfortable, man. I promise you.

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  I believe you.

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  Yeah.

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  We're up. I got sneaker recommendations from LL Cool J. I'll take that. I was wearing these Pumas. I'm gonna throw them, well, you said I'm gonna incinerate them?

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  You'll throw them in the incinerator.

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  Okay. I don't know if that's true. I like these.

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  You have no reason to believe me yet. I'll give you that. You have no reason to believe me. But when you try them, you're gonna say, yo, your man was telling the truth.

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  Okay.

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  You'll see. You're gonna come back on and say that.

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  All right.

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  I promise you.

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  I believe you. I'll give it a try. I'll give it a shot. Well, anyway, very nice to meet you.

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  Nice to meet you too.

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  I met you a long fucking time ago, very briefly. Yeah. We were at this stupid NBC thing. It was very funny because you were making fun of it. It was some sick, you know, they do those things where they have all the new shows and everybody has to show up. It's like everyone sits down. I was at a table with you.

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  Okay.

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  And I was a nobody. This was like 1994. I was like, oh shit, that's LL Cool J. It was weird. I was just getting, it was just still weird for me to be around famous people. And I remember you were like, what the fuck is this? You're making fun of the whole thing. And I was like, God, I wish I could do that. Like, this guy's making fun of this shit. Like, you didn't give a fuck about it all. It was really funny.

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  I mean, you could never take it too serious.

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  No.

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  You can, you know what I mean? Like, we're not, you know, we're not gonna take it too serious. You know, it's, life is good.

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  Especially those kind of things where they sit down, they announce all the shows, and you have to clap. You know, they have all these...

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  Well, you know, you know. I mean, I'm gonna be, you know, I'm gonna have Niners, but at the same time, I'm not gonna take it too serious.

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  No, but you were making fun of it and I was enjoying it. I was enjoying it.

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  It's funny. It's funny.

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  So this is like, this is the 90s. This is a long, long time ago.

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  Hell, yeah.

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  You've had a fucking insane career, man. I mean, when did you get signed? Weren't you like 17 or some shit? Like, how old were you when you first got your first contract?

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  So, um, 16.

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  16?

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  16. We started Def Jam.

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  Wow.

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  Rick Rubin and Russell Simmons started, well, Rick started Def Jam, right, as a production company. Rick and Russell together formed Def Jam, the label, and I was the first act. The first song on Def Jam Productions was "It's Yours" by Tila Rock. And then from there, the label was formed, because that was streetwise party time. And then from there, the label was formed, and, you know, the rest is history.

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  That's incredible.

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  Ad Rock from the Beastie Boys actually programmed the beat. Rick Rubin produced it, and I did the mic, and here we are.

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  Most people who get that successful at 16 have a very difficult time keeping their shit together, but you just managed to keep smiling and floating through this thing.

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  Yeah, you know what? You know what? Yo, man, you get enough bites at the apple.

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  Look at that.

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  Yep, you know what I mean?

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  16.

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  Yeah, yeah, that was probably about 17, 18, right there.

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  Wow.

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  I always could tell by my jewelry.

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  You know what I'm saying?

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  You know?

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  Wow. That's back in the boombox days.

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  Yeah, it was the boombox, man. That was everything. That meant everything to me.

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  Oh, everybody had those back then.

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  Absolutely.

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  People would carry them around, walking down the street with their own music.

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  Absolutely.

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  We're in a different world now. People don't understand what it was like back then.

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  Yeah, because actually, in a weird way, even though the world is more public, music has become more private.

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  Right, right, right, right.

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  The world was private, but music was public back then, right?

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  Right, right, yeah.

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  It's like, it's like an inverted, you know what I mean?

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  Yeah. Well, you, I mean, it's no exaggeration to say you're a pioneer, because hip-hop was so new back then.

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  Yeah, yeah.

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  It was so new. You had, like, Sugar Hill, which was in, like...

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  Sugar Hill, "Rapper's Delight" was 79, but I got into hip-hop before that, because I was listening to, like, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 4 before they were the 5, and the Treacherous 3, and Moe, and the Cold Crush, and...

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  What year was that?

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  That's 75, 76, 77.

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  Wow.

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  You know, around that time, you know what I mean? And I was hearing the tapes, because they were circulating, because I was in Queens, you know what I mean? So the tapes were coming out of the Bronx. And when I was in Long Island, see, I was raised, I was born in Long Island, I was raised in Queens, but I also lived in North Babylon. And when I was in North Babylon, next door, there was a lot of foster kids who were from uptown, who were from the Bronx and from Brooklyn, well, Bronx and Harlem and Brooklyn. So I would hear all the tapes when hip-hop was emerging. So I was like, you know, eight years old, and I was getting exposed to, like, all of the, you know, the newest of the new at a really young age. So I got, like, indoctrinated and dipped in the, baptized in the fire of hip-hop early, you know what I mean?

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  What a fortuitous time to be a kid, too. Like, it's the perfect time, because it's all emerging around you.

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  Yeah, it's like, it's like when Gladwell talks about, you know, you know, that moment, the tipping point, well, people being born in certain places. You know, he talks about, you know, being in Seattle when computers were, when software exploded. So I was in New York at that same time. It's very much in that same...

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  Yeah.

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  That same thing. You know, you get sprinkled with a little dust, you know, the man upstairs, you know, get a little sprinkle, be in the right place, got the capability.

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  Yeah.

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  You know?

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  And the drive and the discipline.

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  Yeah.

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  Stick to it, yeah.

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  Yeah.

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  I mean, obviously, you have that. You're still in great shape.

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  You gotta be, yeah.

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  You still keep it together.

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  I do, I do. I've been, you know, I've recently started doing jiu-jitsu, which has been a lot of fun.

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  Really?

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  Yeah, yeah.

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  Where are you training?

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  Uh, Brian Glick.

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  Where's he at?

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  He's in Brooklyn. He's in Brooklyn. And he trained under Donahue.

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  Oh, great. Oh, phenomenal.

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  Yeah, and so...

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  That's a great lineage.

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  Yeah.

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  Henzo Gracie, Donahue, yeah.

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  Yeah, so he's, uh, he's a lot of fun. Actually, my man Scott, Scott Kahn, you know, put me on to him.

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  Oh, okay.

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  Yeah, we've been working. So it's, uh, it's very humbling, you know? You think you're, yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. That's Glick. That's Glick. That's my teacher.

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  Nice.

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  And so that's a lot of fun. That's, uh...

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  How long you been doing that now?

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  Not long at all. And you find out that, you think you're a tough guy, but you're really a little old lady. You find out really quickly.

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  It's so humbling.

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  Yeah, yeah. Oh, oh, oh, you're tough. Oh, you're tough. Exactly. You find out real quick. So I've, uh, you know, because, you know, when I was young, I did, I enjoyed martial arts, like a little Sado, karate, a little Wing Chun, a little E Chuan. Like, I liked the martial arts, so, but this one, this is a completely different thing, because, you know.

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  Yeah.

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  It's just, you know...

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  You feel helpless.

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  There's no question about it. You are helpless.

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  Yeah, you're helpless. And you don't think you are until you do it, and then your whole world shatters. You're like, oh, no.

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  Yeah, a guy will put you in a closed garden and say, get out. Come on, get out. You're good. And you do everything but stand up, you know, when you first start. It's crazy. Yeah, so it was fun.

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  It's a deep pool, too. There's a lot to learn. It keeps going forever and ever and ever.

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  Yeah, yeah. But that's life.

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  Yeah.

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  That's what I like about life, you know, because, you know, we want to maximize our potential, right?

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  Well, I think it's really good for famous people to do something that doesn't depend at all on your personality or your status or your stature. I think it's good for your head, because it's, it's an undeniable thing. Like, you are either good at this, or you are not good at this. There's, there's no charm, there's no charisma.

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  You know what I'm saying?

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  I'm really charismatic. Let me go?

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  Nobody shows up, they love you the moment they see you. There's none of that.

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  You can't charisma your way out of an Americana or a Kimura.

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  Because that's the opiate for celebrities, like this thing where everybody loves you and needing that, needing that.

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  Well, see, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I'm a celebrity by consequence, like, as a result of what I did. I'm not, I'm not a guy who's celebrity-minded. I'm an artist, Joe. You know what I'm saying? I, you know, I'm famous by default because of the things that I do have made me known, but I don't walk in rooms feeling famous.

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  That's a great perspective.

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  I'm an artist.

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  That's a great perspective.

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  I'm not in it for the, like, the fame thing. I'm like, I'm way more blue collar. I'm not, like, remotely interested in, in, in hitting you with the famous, with the long cigarette holder and the ascot and shit. Like, I'm like, so not into that. Like, I'm like, way different. Like, I'm not even remotely near that.

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  Can you imagine?

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  I could see Cat Williams doing it. I could see Cat Williams with a cigarette holder.

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  Well, it would work for Cat.

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  He could pull it off.

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  He can pull anything off. And he's gonna say some genius shit about it on top of that. So yeah, he could pull it off.

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  Yeah, with some kind of-

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  But me walking in with the cigarette holder. What if you walked in here today and I had a cigarette holder? And when you said, "Hey, hey, LL," I would like this. You know, I just hit you with the-

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  What is the purpose of the cigarette holder? Other than keeping the cigarette further from your face?

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  I don't want my hands dirty. I don't want my hands to smell like cigarettes. I don't know what the purpose is. It's just all wrong. I don't know what the purpose is. It's just all wrong.

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  The only person who pulled it off was Hunter S. Thompson. He had it and just somehow or another seemed ridiculous.

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  Can we put a picture up of him? Because I'm not familiar with-

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  Hunter S. Thompson, the writer. He's the one that they did that Johnny Depp movie Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.

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  Okay, okay.

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  It's based on one of his books.

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  Okay.

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  It's Hunter Thompson.

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  Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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  He used to have a cigarette holder.

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  Yeah, but he's doing it a little bit more aggressively. I'm talking about that other one. I'm talking about that other kind of-

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  The long one.

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  The long one, yeah.

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  The black one with the silver ring.

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  Yeah, yeah, you know, you know.

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  Yeah, I think he did it more ironically.

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  Man, Hunter's cool.

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  Oh, he was cool as fuck.

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  Yeah, he's cool.

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  A complete total maniac.

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  You know what I mean?

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  Out of his mind on drugs, but wrote some of the most genius shit ever.

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  I mean, you know, make it through, man. If you go through hell, keep going, baby.

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  Yeah.

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  Make it through, come out the other side.

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  Some people need something to get out of their own head, you know? And that's-

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  Yeah, it's called humility.

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  Yeah, yeah, that helps too. That perspective that you have is a great perspective. Because like, that's the way to get through it. And young people should hear that too. Is that like, just be an artist. And be famous as a consequence of what you've done.

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  Exactly.

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  Yeah.

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  Exactly, as opposed to, because if you're arrogant, you can't learn anything. And the most fulfilling thing of this whole thing is learning some stuff.

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  Yeah.

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  Like, that's what's fun.

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  Right, right.

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  What's not fun is just thinking about yourself all day. That's kind of boring, at least to me.

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  Well, it's kind of crazy.

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  It is. It really is.

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  And the best way to not think about yourself all day is try to learn something difficult.

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  Hundred percent, hundred percent.

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  Yeah, like when you're doing jiu-jitsu, the last thing you're thinking about is yourself.

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  You're not thinking about anything.

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  Yeah, you're just surviving.

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  You're just thinking about surviving and hoping that he doesn't give you that-

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  You know what I mean?

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  That's the worst, and they cover your mouth. It's so humiliating.

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  You know?

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  Yeah. That's cool that you're doing it though. It's very exciting.

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  Yeah, so, you know, man, I like that and I like reading, you know? Love the books, man.

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  What kind of shit do you read?

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  I read everything.

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  Yeah?

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  Yeah, I read everything from Karl von Clausewitz to-

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  Who's that?

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  He's an Austrian, uh, general. Prussian general, actually, Prussian. Prussian general who, um, you know, talked about this concept called friction. And, uh, he has this Clausewitzian triangle where he talks about like, you know, you have these three, these three areas that the pendulum swings over, like, uh, probability and chance, logic and reason, and, uh, luck. You know, no, probability and chance, logic and reason, and passion and enmity, hatred. So you can look at society right now, and you can take a Clausewitzian trinity and put it over society, and you know that we're operating in a place of emotions and passions. So logic and reasons wouldn't even make any, you know, wouldn't even mean anything.

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  So it's the trinity, you know? So it really helps you think about life, you know?

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  Interesting. So grand strategy is at the center of it all. Government, politics, reason, intelligence. The armed forces, calculation, chance, game of chance, odds, values. Fascinating.

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  Yeah, yeah, it's cool.

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  Well, how did you get into this guy?

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  I just read all kinds of stuff. I love literature, love history, love reading things that, um, make me better. You know what I'm saying? And what you find out is the more you read, the less you know- The more you know, the more you find out, the more you realize you don't know shit.

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  Right.

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  And because of that, it becomes more exciting, so. And I wanted to navigate entertainment. It's like what you talked about, right? You know, you're 16, 17, 18 years old. Now, either you can get high all day, spend all your money, and twist yourself out, and go on a binge, or you can figure out something else. You know what I'm saying? And so I just look-

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  How did you know that at 16?

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  Had my mother, my mother would show me like, books of like, drug addicts with like, sores on their arms. And say, "Hey, Todd, this is, you know, this is what happens when you, you know, get out in that world. If you can ruin your career and ruin your life, this is what happens." You know?

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  Oh, wow.

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  And, you know, that combined with her telling me, "Todd, you know, girls don't like dummies." You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? You know? Not like you're trying to be like, you know, Mr. Scientist, like some pedantic super nerd. At the same time, though, you want to stay inquisitive, stay curious. You know what I mean?

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  Well, women want a man who can navigate life.

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  There's no question about that.

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  Yeah, and intelligence is one of the best ways, one of the best tools to navigate life.

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  Intelligence, health, and, uh, that, that, that inner emotional strength. You need intestinal fortitude to go with the intelligence, right? Because if you have intelligence but no willpower, you still get banged out.

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  Right.

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  You'd just be a smart punk.

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  There's a lot of smart bitches out there in this world.

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  You know what I mean? That gives up early, but you're smart. I know why I'm giving up, you know, that kind of stuff.

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  I know why I'm giving up, but I'm gonna go to therapy and, and never get better.

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  Yeah, I don't-

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  Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's the, that's one of the key elements of society today that's not embraced, is like, discipline and drive, and understanding that you have to have the ability to persevere through difficult times. And that giving up, there's no, there's no virtue in being emotional and giving up. That's, that's the opposite. It's bad for you. Everybody feels bad sometimes in your life. But giving up like that and celebrating that, and embracing it, you know? Like, oh, he's in, he's in, he's in touch with his emotions. Is that what that is?

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  No, no, no, he's in touch with his, some shit that's gonna get him-

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  He's in a bitch.

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  Get him, yeah, get him ran over. No, you gotta, you know what I mean? Like, yo, yo, you gotta, see, there's, empathy is not the same as what you're just, right? Because empathy, we need empathy.

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  Yes.

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  But empathy is not the same as-

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  Weakness.

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  Exactly.

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  Yeah.

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  And, you know, one spark can set a prairie on fire. So we gotta be, you know, we gotta manage our moods, and we gotta be able to do what we need to do even when we don't feel like doing it, right? Because that's the language of success.

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  Yeah.

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  Right?

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  That's a really important quote. "One spark can set a prairie on fire." Because how many people, they spiral out from one bad thought they start pursuing?

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  There you go.

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  Yeah.

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  You gotta get out of your own way, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's, that's super important, man.

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  Mm-hmm.

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  That's super important.

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  Yeah.

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  You know what I mean? Like-

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  It is.

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  You know, yeah. Real talk.

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  Yeah, I know, and no one teaches you that shit in school. Like, you have to have wise people around you to show you that way, or you have to slowly figure it out on your own.

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  Yeah, you gotta, you gotta, um, you gotta go through some drama, and you gotta be able to see the silver lining, and you gotta have, you gotta be able to finish the marathon. And-

• 18:54Speaker 02

  That requires your ability to, you know, get comfortable being uncomfortable. I know it's kind of a cliche, but it's true. You gotta be comfortable being uncomfortable. Like, you gotta be able to keep going. And understand that there's a other, there's another side. Like, I, I heard this guy, I don't know who he was. Um, so I'm not trying to take credit for this, but this guy said, um, like if you're on a plane. And, uh, you know, one engine's on fire, if you're flying a plane, you keep flying. And he said, if, what do you, or else, what are you gonna do? I mean, yeah, you look to land, but you gotta keep going. You don't crash the plane. If, if two engines are on fire, what do you do? You keep flying until you can say, so in life, you don't give up just because one of your engines is not acting the way you want it to.

• 19:39Speaker 03

  Right.

• 19:39Speaker 02

  You have to treat your, your life like you, you know, attitude determines your altitude, right? So you gotta.

• 19:45Speaker 03

  Well, everybody wants to be comfortable. That's the thing. Because we're so often uncomfortable. That everyone seeks to be comfortable, and then once they're comfortable, they wanna hold on to it and only be comfortable.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  Right. And then they stop making progress.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 19:58Speaker 02

  They stop evolving.

• 19:59Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 19:59Speaker 02

  And they become defensive.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:01Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? They just crawl up and they become a hedgehog. They just go into a ball and don't try to do nothing in life.

• 20:06Speaker 03

  They also get very upset at ambitious people.

• 20:09Speaker 02

  Well, some can, some people can. Well, because it's a reminder, right? Like, I can understand how painful it might be for somebody who is afraid to go for, for that next level, afraid to do that next thing, to see somebody else wholeheartedly committing.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  But what you have to understand is that, like, you'll have somebody say to you, "I don't wanna, I don't, I don't wanna go back to school." You'd be like, "Why?" I'm saying if they wanna do, "Oh, because it'll take three years." Well, three years from now is gonna be three years from now any goddamn way. So just go back to school. So, going back to what you were saying, it's like,

• 20:47Speaker 02

  like, the idea of, of making it, you just gotta be comfortable with the idea that people are gonna say what they're gonna say anyway. And you need to go after your dreams. Dreams don't have deadlines. That's the headline.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  Right.

• 21:01Speaker 02

  Dreams don't have deadlines. You just gotta go after it. And, you know, you lose the battle, you can still win the war, right? With yourself.

• 21:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:10Speaker 02

  Right?

• 21:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  With yourself.

• 21:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  Because we're not looking for perfection. None of us are perfect. We all did some crazy shit. We're all crazy. Everybody's crazy. But at the same time, you could take it to the next level, if you keep going.

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• 22:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know what I mean?

• 22:37Speaker 03

  Great advice. Yeah, it's real. And it's real from someone who's actually done it. You know, that's what's really important. People can hear that all day from a motivational speaker, but then you could say to that motivational speaker, "What exactly have you done, other than motivate people?" A lot of them, the list is very small.

• 22:52Speaker 02

  But you know what's interesting about that? I, I hear people say that, but you know what my thinking is? Like, if a homeless guy tells me, "Don't do pushups in traffic," I'm gonna listen. You know?

• 23:01Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. You get bad advice from people that-

• 23:04Speaker 02

  That are great.

• 23:05Speaker 03

  That are great. And then you get really good advice from idiots. Every now and then a moron will tell you something, you're like, "Oh, shit."

• 23:12Speaker 02

  So I'm, I'm less inclined to concern myself with who the messenger is. I know it's relevant.

• 23:17Speaker 03

  Right.

• 23:18Speaker 02

  But I listen to the message, because you have to contextualize the message.

• 23:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:22Speaker 02

  In your life.

• 23:23Speaker 03

  Right. That's some Bruce Lee shit. That's like, absorb what is useful. You know? You know what I mean?

• 23:29Speaker 02

  The way that intercepts his fist.

• 23:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  Bruce was the man.

• 23:32Speaker 03

  Oh, he was the man.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  Bruce is why I got into acting.

• 23:33Speaker 03

  Really?

• 23:34Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 23:35Speaker 03

  How'd that happen?

• 23:36Speaker 02

  Because, I mean, he was the only dude with a tan that was like doing some cool shit on TV, or on, in the movies. You know? He was a little brownie, you know?

• 23:44Speaker 03

  Oh, bro, all my Asian friends were so happy. All my Asian friends were like, "Finally, we have a fucking superhero."

• 23:49Speaker 02

  Yo, Bruce was the man.

• 23:50Speaker 03

  He was the man, dude.

• 23:51Speaker 02

  He was the man.

• 23:52Speaker 03

  He was the man. He changed martial arts for the world.

• 23:55Speaker 02

  I used to be on Jamaica Avenue with the yellow and black game of death suit.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  Did you have those?

• 23:59Speaker 02

  The Chinese slippers. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely walking down the avenue with that shit. Proud.

• 24:06Speaker 03

  That game of death suit was the shit.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  Right? That yellow with the, yo, the black stripes with the joint?

• 24:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:12Speaker 02

  That yellow game of death suit?

• 24:13Speaker 03

  I don't think people understand how revolutionary he was. All martial arts were all, they were all siloed. Like, if you did kung fu and your instructor caught you doing Shota Khan somewhere, they'd be upset with you.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:30Speaker 03

  There was, it was very siloed. And Bruce Lee came along and said, "No."

• 24:34Speaker 02

  Who was the first mixed martial artist?

• 24:35Speaker 03

  The first.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Because, I mean, he's doing, he's doing American boxing, Chinese boxing, kung fu.

• 24:41Speaker 03

  Salat.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, some karate. Salat is crazy, too.

• 24:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. He did judo. He did everything.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:47Speaker 03

  Yeah. And he put it all together, and that was heresy.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. People wanted to kill him for that.

• 24:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, that, that rumor still persists, right?

• 24:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, it does. Well, I think, I think that rumor has to do with the Triad, with the Chinese mob, because they were financing his early movies.

• 25:05Speaker 02

  The Raymond Chow movies that he was doing?

• 25:06Speaker 03

  And then he left. And when he left them, there was a gigantic dispute. So when he went to Hollywood, there was a gigantic dispute. So I think that's what the, the real conspiracy theories. I don't know if they're true.

• 25:20Speaker 02

  You think he probably just had an aneurysm or whatever that was?

• 25:22Speaker 03

  It seems like something happened where he had an allergic react, wasn't it allergic reaction to medication or something like that?

• 25:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, because they gave him some pills and he went to sleep. He was at someone's apartment, right?

• 25:31Speaker 03

  Well, I think it's also, he probably had some head injuries. You gotta realize, like, he's doing a lot of sparring. He's, you know, they're, they're, he's doing sparring with boxers, he's experimenting with stuff, he's doing crazy scenes in movies, he accidentally get hit. Who knows if he had a brain injury? Okay, cerebral edema. Dangerous swelling of the brain attributed by the coroner to a hypersensitivity reaction to ingredients in the prescription painkiller equijasic?

• 26:01Speaker 02

  Equijasic?

• 26:02Speaker 03

  Equijasic, which he took for a headache. Blame of a headache, given equijasic, medication containing aspirin and me, mepramate? Metprobamate? Metprobamate?

• 26:14Speaker 02

  Where's, where's that at?

• 26:15Speaker 03

  Uh, aspirin and mepramate?

• 26:18Speaker 02

  Mepramate.

• 26:19Speaker 03

  He laid down the rest, became unresponsive, cannot be revived after taken to the hospital. Autopsy found severe brain swelling and no external injuries. The brain swelling itself is well established in the historical record, but the precise trigger remains disputed. The official conclusion focused on drug hypersensitivity reaction. Later, writers and researchers have proposed other possibilities, including heat-related illness and hypo, well, they're testing us today with the word.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  Retrospective hypothesis?

• 26:47Speaker 03

  Hypo-natriemia.

• 26:50Speaker 02

  Hypo-natriemia.

• 26:51Speaker 03

  Dangerously low blood sodium associated with excess water intake. Huh. All right.

• 26:57Speaker 02

  Retrospective hypotheses. I'm sorry. It's the plural of hypothesis. Retrospective hypotheses. No replacement, original official ruling. Yeah, Lee was, he was unbelievable, man.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  Well, he was, the, the Tao of Jeet Kune Do is the original book of mixed martial arts.

• 27:12Speaker 02

  No question. I loved, I bought that book when it came out back then.

• 27:15Speaker 03

  I got a copy still.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  I loved that book, right? It was soft. It was like a soft cover. You remember that?

• 27:20Speaker 03

  Yep. Soft cover, big, thick ass book.

• 27:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, big, thick, soft covers. All the illustrations inside.

• 27:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, man. And he took things from everything. He took things from, like, western boxing and fainting and jabs, and he got from karate, different Japanese styles.

• 27:34Speaker 02

  Ali. He watched Ali.

• 27:35Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  Ali's footwork, he was, you know, he was-

• 27:37Speaker 03

  He did some of that in the movies, too.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, Bruce was a monster.

• 27:41Speaker 03

  But people today, they see that, you know, they see mixed martial arts, you see all these fighters on television, they see movies. It seems normal to them. They don't understand that back then, this was unprecedented. No one had ever done that before.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  Super.

• 27:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. And to be that skillful and do it, so he can move so fast that everybody's like, "What the fuck?"

• 28:00Speaker 02

  Lightning quick.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:02Speaker 02

  Lightning quick.

• 28:03Speaker 03

  Just changed it for the whole world. Like, karate schools just opened up all over the world.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  Instantaneously.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Well, what's crazy, at that time, it was blurred, because like, people didn't know the difference between karate and kung fu. It was very blurred.

• 28:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:15Speaker 02

  It was very blurred.

• 28:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 28:17Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:18Speaker 03

  You just got lucky wherever school you walked into.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 28:21Speaker 03

  You know, you look, open the Yellow Pages under martial arts.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  That's right. I was up at the YMCA in Sado Karate. I'm like, "Sado, okay, I'm doing Sado. Us."

• 28:29Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:29Speaker 02

  Walking in the dojo, "Us."

• 28:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:31Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 28:32Speaker 03

  Lot of those YMCA classes, yeah.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  They were good, though.

• 28:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:35Speaker 02

  Two knuckles, baby. Yeah. First two knuckles.

• 28:39Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's a crazy time, because like, it just got introduced into the world and it took off. It's, I, I, I'm fascinated by things that didn't exist, and then all of a sudden burst onto the scene.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  Innovation.

• 28:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, that's why hip hop to me is so fascinating, especially early hip hop, because hip hop as an art form before the 1980s was nonexistent in pop culture. And then all of a sudden, it was the dominant force five or six years later.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 29:04Speaker 03

  Like, people have to understand what it was like. Like, when I was a kid, and I was, when I was coming up, the first time I heard Sugar Hill Gang was, I was in a lunchroom. I was in Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts. And at the time, it was a bad neighborhood. Now it's been kind of gentrified. At the time, it was, uh, like, there was kids that were 17 years old and they were still in the eighth grade. It was crazy.

• 29:25Speaker 02

  That's, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's that. 17 years old in the eighth grade is some nasty work.

• 29:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was like that. Like, no bullshit. There was kids that should have been graduated from high school, and they hadn't even gotten out of middle school yet. It was just a lot of, like, Nair Dwell's and people that just came from bad homes and bad neighborhoods, but it was the first time I had ever heard that. I remember thinking, "This is like a different kind of music." Like, this is-

• 29:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, because, because, you know, you live in a neighborhood and you feel invisible.

• 29:51Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 29:52Speaker 02

  You know, and, and I think a lot of people can relate to that now. You live in a neighborhood, you feel invisible. Your friends get killed, nobody cares. The news doesn't talk about, you know, they may talk about some major thing, but when your friend down the block gets killed, nobody cares.

• 30:05Speaker 03

  Right.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  You walk down, you got this diddy bop that you're walking with like this, and people think you're walking to be cool, but you're really walking because you like, it's like being in the jungle. And you're like a lion and you're like walking around trying to stay low and you're watching your environment in your back, right? I used to have a thing in high school, you do one, two, three behind you, one, two, three behind you, the whole time down the hallway.

• 30:24Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 30:25Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? So hip hop was the first time that I heard young kids like me sound empowered. And, you know, instead of, you know, because all you saw at that time on the, if you saw a black kid on the news, all you saw was a guy in handcuffs being put into a police car. That was basically it.

• 30:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  That and Bruce Lee.

• 30:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:43Speaker 02

  So it was like, hip hop is the first time I heard people sound powerful, sound empowered. You know, it wasn't like the great coupon fancy.

• 30:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  I have a lot of money thing that it is today. When we talked about the money and we, that was aspirational, that's what we wanted, like. You're, you're coming from nothing, right? You're coming from the grime and the dirt and you're like rapping about what it could be. So you are, you're. You're extra macho and you're extra.

• 31:11Speaker 03

  Right.

• 31:11Speaker 02

  Br- extra bravado and extra, because you're an underdog.

• 31:16Speaker 03

  Right.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  You know, it, it, it, it became that to like, you know, now it's like, you know, you're on Mount Olympus spitting on, you know, the peasants. You know what I mean? You know what I'm saying?

• 31:26Speaker 03

  Right, back then it was aspirational.

• 31:28Speaker 02

  It was the opposite, it was the opposite.

• 31:30Speaker 03

  One of my favorite hip hop videos of all time is Biggie when he was seventeen on the street corner.

• 31:34Speaker 02

  Oh, when he was rhyming?

• 31:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:36Speaker 03

  He's, he's.

• 31:37Speaker 02

  On the block.

• 31:38Speaker 03

  A nobody and he's the shit at the same time.

• 31:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:41Speaker 03

  He's the shit at the same time and everybody rhyming going, ah! He's hitting these lines and his flow was already spectacular.

• 31:47Speaker 02

  That's right, because, because you're, you're basically.

• 31:53Speaker 02

  You're saying what every, you're, you're like, it's like a different version of Cyrano. But you're doing it for, for people, it's not about romance necessarily, it's not for this particular girl, you're doing it, you're speaking, you become a spokesman for the emotions, the angst, the pain.

• 32:08Speaker 03

  Right.

• 32:08Speaker 02

  The desires, the wishes of the people that are like you. And I'm not talking about just ethnicity, I'm talking about culturally, people that are like you, that come from the energy and the type of places that you come from. So you speak for them, you know what I mean? So when I would walk in, like when I got the big gold chains on, the big gold chains aren't to say the, the big gold chains are to show people I have something. At that time, and man, yo, not only do I have something, but I'm tough enough to be able to wear this. See jewelry back then was, was a message, you know, anywhere, any neighborhood, it was, I can wear this in this neighborhood.

• 32:44Speaker 03

  Right.

• 32:45Speaker 02

  That's very different from it becoming like, you know. Cigarette holders and I got the jewelry on and it's like a goddamn like everybody's a Liberace, you know, no disrespect.

• 32:56Speaker 03

  Right.

• 32:56Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? It becomes, you know what I mean? You know, disrespect, you know what I mean? You know what I'm saying?

• 33:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  I don't diss my man, not necessary.

• 33:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, it's, that's what's interesting is like, that's the first music genre where like open displays of wealth became like standard.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  Right, but here's the thing, here's the thing, remember, it, it wasn't an open display of wealth because it wasn't at the wealth level. It wasn't, that wasn't even the mindset, it was. I, it was, it could be as simple as I have fifty grand in my dresser drawer, I got a gold chain, I got a nice car. And I'm doing better than, but I couldn't eat six months ago.

• 33:38Speaker 03

  Right.

• 33:39Speaker 02

  And look what I did. That's very different from, you know, look at my portfolio.

• 33:44Speaker 03

  Right, right, right.

• 33:45Speaker 02

  And my open ostentatious display of this incredible, you understand what I'm saying?

• 33:49Speaker 03

  On the dock of my yacht.

• 33:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, the mindset is different, right? Because remember, we were taking cues from hustlers too, like we gotta be honest about that, like we were looking at. The different hustlers, we were looking at the Supreme team and we were looking at, you know, AZ and Rich and Alpo, the guys uptown, we were looking at different people. And all of that was affecting us too. So it wasn't so much about like nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. To society, it was more like, I did this in spite of.

• 34:16Speaker 03

  Right.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  Like, you gotta think about it, like, if you're, it's like Monopoly, right? Like somebody I was talking to the other day, like. We play Monopoly and I start off and I got all the paper and you got hardly nothing. And I get sixty, seventy percent of the property and then I say, okay, now let's play. If you can go around that board and come up, you're gonna fucking feel good about yourself. You might throw a chain on or something. You might smile a little bit during that game after a while. And so you gotta think about it from that mindset. Now we've lapped, people have lapped this, you know, the game so many times. That it's not perceived the same way, but at that time, it wasn't about showing off.

• 34:59Speaker 03

  Right.

• 34:59Speaker 02

  The call was about, yo, I really did this.

• 35:02Speaker 03

  Right.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Like I got, I have something, because having something is a major accomplishment.

• 35:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  When you got nothing, I don't care if you're in a trailer park, you're in the inner city, you're in the hood, wherever you at, when you are able to accomplish something. That's a hell of a feeling.

• 35:15Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  Right? That's, and, and so it wasn't about like, so the idea of financial fiscal responsibility and wealth, nobody's thinking about that shit. I wanna Benz.

• 35:29Speaker 02

  I wanna Benz, bro. I, yo, I just wanna, I wanna Benz.

• 35:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:33Speaker 02

  I remember sitting with the accountant, I'm like, yo, he's like, yeah, we're gonna do, I wanna Benz. He's like, yeah, but we're gonna take care of this, I, I wanna Benz. You know, and it's like, so we, you know, like I never lost the, yeah, you do stuff with money and all that, but I never lost the mindset. Of.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  You know, where you really from, like people, yo, it's easy to forget. I mean, look, you're the, you're like one of the most read people I know because I watch, you know, the stuff and everything, you could, you could be in a bubble and forget it. If you didn't get in that gym and you didn't roll around on that mat and you didn't get reminders of humanity, you could forget. In the life, this world that we live in.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  It's easy to forget, so I, I kinda, you know, I just keep that. Yeah, I keep that in mind, you, you, you, you said what?

• 36:21Speaker 03

  It's comforting to forget. It's easy to fall into a, a band of yes men and be insulated, especially in Hollywood.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  A hundred percent, but then you're not relatable and then you can't learn and you can't handle.

• 36:32Speaker 03

  Well, you also go crazy.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Oh, without a doubt.

• 36:35Speaker 03

  That's, that's the problem.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  It might be Howard Hugh, no disrespect.

• 36:37Speaker 03

  No disrespect.

• 36:39Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? You'd be in the, in the room till the seventies.

• 36:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:43Speaker 02

  With all the paper and tissue around you.

• 36:44Speaker 03

  Well, it's kinda Howard Stern now, he like, he hides in the Hamptons now.

• 36:48Speaker 02

  That's, that's rough.

• 36:49Speaker 03

  He didn't do his pod, his radio show rather, from his studio for a long time, he did it all remotely.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, you, you know.

• 36:56Speaker 03

  People start getting weird with germs, they start worrying about getting sick.

• 37:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, yeah, that's.

• 37:01Speaker 03

  Gets very strange, start washing their hands all day long.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, that's okay, no, I wash my, I get a little hipper cleanser, wash my hands all day, I wash my hands. But all that, you know, I wash my hands, you know what I mean?

• 37:12Speaker 03

  But I think with, you know, no disrespect to Howard, because I'm a giant fan of his, and, you know, I think he's the pioneer of all this stuff, but I think you can only get.

• 37:20Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, he's named after an African-American university, so that's the, no, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, go ahead, Joe. I'm kidding, Joe.

• 37:28Speaker 03

  He, that's part of his lore, is he grew up in an all-black neighborhood. It really is, but he, uh, he got, he got so famous, he got so famous and so big and so huge and so much money and I think. There's a real, um, potential to be isolated when that happens.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Well, I like Howard.

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• 39:18Speaker 02

  Like I, I did a show quite a few times, you know, he was always cool to me, he really was, and he gave me love like in the early years when I first started, I gotta be honest, he, he embraced me. He gave me, you know, he kinda like let me come on a show and let me, you know what I'm saying? And that, that to me, you know, I'm not saying that, what you're saying is like.

• 39:36Speaker 03

  No, listen, I'm not, I'm not disrespecting.

• 39:38Speaker 02

  No, I don't think you are.

• 39:39Speaker 03

  I think he's a legend and I think if it wasn't for him, there'd be no podcast. You can become isolated. It's, and it's also, it's very hard to even be hanging out with people when you're that famous, it just gets weird. For some people, unless you force yourself to just do uncomfortable things all the time.

• 39:56Speaker 02

  You know what?

• 39:57Speaker 03

  And in public.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  Well, success.

• 40:01Speaker 02

  Success likes, likes you to be outside, right? It's, it's kinda hard to find success when you're not networking. You could do certain things, but I heard a guy say the other day, you know, you put a painting on your garage wall. And whether even if the door is open, it's kinda hard to get people excited. You know what I mean? As opposed to putting it in the gallery. So you have to interact. But you know, me, like, I'm an introvert, even though I do all this stuff.

• 40:27Speaker 03

  Are you really?

• 40:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, you would think I, but when I go home, I gotta read. I gotta relax, I gotta recharge. Like, I can't, you know what I mean? I can't, I don't like being surrounded by a thousand people. But I have a different reason for it, cuz I just learned that it brings problems. Because you can't manage everybody's behavior.

• 40:44Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  And so, and then when the problem happens, then it's LL.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  Right, right. One of LL's friends, yeah.

• 40:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 40:52Speaker 03

  A part of LL's crew.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  You see?

• 40:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:54Speaker 02

  So you gotta, so, so it's kinda.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  Today in the news.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 41:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, especially when you're on a cop show.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  Well, you know what? No, that's funny. Yeah, that's really funny.

• 41:08Speaker 03

  It becomes a real fucking problem.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  I didn't even really think, yo, that's pretty funny, bro.

• 41:11Speaker 03

  You know?

• 41:12Speaker 02

  That's pretty funny.

• 41:12Speaker 03

  Bro, I think about it all the time with, with Ice T. Cause I was a giant Ice T fan, still am, but giant Ice T fan growing up. And he had that song Cop Killer. Remember? He had that song with the Body Count?

• 41:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, but a man that can cock himself is greater than a man who can cock a city, right? So.

• 41:31Speaker 03

  Right, there you go. But it's just funny.

• 41:33Speaker 02

  No, it is, it is. But you know what? You know, like Ice says, he hustling.

• 41:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course.

• 41:40Speaker 02

  I say, yo, listen, you know what I mean?

• 41:42Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, he was in Pimps Up, Hoes Down, remember that?

• 41:45Speaker 02

  Without a doubt.

• 41:46Speaker 03

  Get his hair done.

• 41:47Speaker 02

  Without a doubt.

• 41:47Speaker 03

  Talking about the pimp game.

• 41:49Speaker 02

  Green is for the money, gold is for the honey.

• 41:51Speaker 03

  This is crazy. With Don Magic once.

• 41:53Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 41:54Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 41:55Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 41:55Speaker 03

  And Mr. White folks.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  Oh, Mr. White folks, bananas. Bananas.

• 42:02Speaker 03

  It was hilarious.

• 42:03Speaker 02

  Yo.

• 42:04Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, so like, yeah, Ice T's been hustling since the very beginning. He's another, another pioneer.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  Without a doubt.

• 42:12Speaker 03

  It, but what, what I want people to really understand is kids today, they don't understand, because hip hop is just a part of their life. It's a part of music. It emerged, and it emerged so quickly from, you go from Sugar Hill Gang, which was eighty, what was it?

• 42:26Speaker 02

  That was seventy-nine.

• 42:27Speaker 03

  Seventy-nine?

• 42:28Speaker 02

  The Rapper's Delight was seventy-nine.

• 42:29Speaker 03

  And then you got like N.W.A. And it happens very quickly.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 42:33Speaker 03

  It happens very quickly. You got Public Enemy. It happens very quickly. And all of a sudden, you have Fight the Power, and you're like, whoa, what is this?

• 42:39Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. You know what's funny about the Public Enemy? I'll tell you a quick little insight. Their, their logo is actually my friend, E. Love. My, they, Chuck D from Public Enemy took a picture of my man standing next to me onstage, and put him in silhouette.

• 42:54Speaker 03

  Really?

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, so when you look at the Public Enemy logo, that's actually my man, E. Love. Um, that, that, uh, that created, yeah, that's my man, E. Love, right there, behind that. And you probably, if you actually, you could probably Google, E. Love, Public Enemy, LL Cool J, you know, and, and you'll find out that, like, you know, see? See, rest in peace, E. Love, AKA the, the Public Enemy logo. And see, that's my man, E. Love. See us down there? See, that's us, yeah. So that's E. But he just had, happened to be standing, see the hat? He just happened to be standing in a different pose. But that's what, yeah, he's the logo. May he rest in peace. That was my man. That was my man. He was a good dude. That was my man. He passed away.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  But he was like, when we did Crush Groove and all that, and we did the first hip hop, one of the, it was an early hip hop, it wasn't first, one of the early hip hop movies. He was standing next to me with the box, him and my man, Cuck Creator, you know what I'm saying? Shout out to my man, Phil Pop, Cuck Creator.

• 43:50Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 43:53Speaker 03

  And then Run DMC, of course.

• 43:54Speaker 02

  Run DMC, you know, those are my friends, you know what I'm saying? Run Angel, you know, JMJ, rest in peace. You know, they, uh, they took me on tour. You know, they took me on tour around the world. We went all over the place, you know what I'm saying? It was bananas.

• 44:09Speaker 03

  It's, it's just bananas, like, for, for people to really get it in their mind, what a change that was in music. And this emergent power and style just took over pop culture, where kids were dressing like them, like, everybody wanted to be like them. Look at that, Dick Clark.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  I did Dick Clark in eighty-five.

• 44:28Speaker 03

  Oh, shit.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:29Speaker 03

  Look at Dick.

• 44:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, look at Dick Clark. It's so funny.

• 44:33Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  That's crazy, right?

• 44:34Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 44:36Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 44:37Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  That was, yo, that was like, it was like an unbelievable experience, you know what I'm saying? Like, I would go to London and, you know, you know, be like, looking for fast food. Like, yo, just, please, like, I didn't understand Yorkshire pudding, I ain't understand none of that.

• 44:54Speaker 03

  How old were you?

• 44:55Speaker 02

  When I went to London, maybe seventeen?

• 44:57Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 44:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, we went right away.

• 44:58Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  Right away. Oh, yeah.

• 45:00Speaker 03

  Wow. What was the reception like over there?

• 45:04Speaker 02

  It was incredible. It was incredible at first. Now, at one point, I'll be honest with you, when I put the love song out, I got booed. Not booed, but like, people were mad. Yeah, because guys were upset that I was willing to be that vulnerable.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  Oh, no.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  I liked them chicks, though, baby. I was, I was like, I like them girls. I was like, yo, I need, I need, I got to do this. You know what I'm saying? But, um, nah, they gave me a lot of love. And you know, we used to tour all over the place.

• 45:28Speaker 03

  That's funny that that song.

• 45:30Speaker 02

  That song, it was huge, but then there was a little, you know, there was a little corner.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  Well, the problem is the other stuff was so hard.

• 45:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 45:38Speaker 03

  Your other stuff was so hard.

• 45:39Speaker 02

  But that's more real life, isn't it? But isn't that more real?

• 45:42Speaker 03

  Well, it's balance.

• 45:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's balance. There's nothing wrong with having both.

• 45:46Speaker 02

  I mean, you know, you go home, you get what you got. I mean, you are, you do got a couple of personalities, don't you? Like, I mean, we all do, right?

• 45:53Speaker 03

  You should.

• 45:55Speaker 02

  So my art reflected the real. Like, I'm just keeping it a hundred.

• 45:58Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  Like, you guys wanna keep it fifty, you're calling a hundred.

• 46:02Speaker 03

  They just didn't wanna expose that part of themselves. Meanwhile, they probably like that song when they're alone.

• 46:07Speaker 02

  In their room, staring at the wall, no question. No question. No question.

• 46:14Speaker 03

  Wow. So, was hip hop taking off over there as well? With like artists, where new artists were emerging and aiming?

• 46:22Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, it was, uh, well, at that time, there wasn't as many, but they got into hip hop very early. The whole world, like, there's a whole lineage of artists that are pioneers around the world that contributed to hip hop in their own countries. I can't name them all, but like in France, you had MC Solo, but there was people before him. Like, you know, there's different, my man Spatz in Germany, there was people before him, obviously. Uh, I always get the name wrong, but it starts with an N and a number. I just can't remember. Um, but, yeah, I mean, hip hop, like, I would go to Japan, you know, and they'd be singing the words to the song verbatim, and then can't speak English. But they rap the song.

• 47:00Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's crazy. It's amazing.

• 47:05Speaker 03

  That's wild.

• 47:06Speaker 02

  But it made me respect cultures all over the world, though. It made me, it gave me a different kinda mindset for people around the world, you know what I'm saying? How I view things. Cause you can be real myopic. I mean, if, when I first started going outland, I'd be like, yo, take me to the black neighborhood. Let me just see what it looks like. And they're like, what do you mean? We're in Japan.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  Like, you know, it's like, so just take me where it's hip hop-ish. And then you start getting exposed, and you see kids that love graffiti, and they love the arts, and they love hip hop. And you come to find a, a newfound respect. Like, I did a, a record in Germany with my man, and he, and Spatz, I think I'm saying his name right. I mean, he's rapping in German, I'm rapping in English. People in America don't know about the song, but it was like, a thing I did over there. You know, you just get into a whole world, you know what I'm saying?

• 47:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, I love, uh, Brazilian hip hop, cuz I can't speak Portuguese. I just like listening to the sounds, you know?

• 48:07Speaker 02

  Funny, I, I think the, to me, the language that sounds like most impressive to me, I mean, outside of English, I would say is French.

• 48:15Speaker 03

  French, yeah.

• 48:16Speaker 02

  French sounds incredible.

• 48:17Speaker 03

  French hip hop sounds incredible.

• 48:18Speaker 02

  Yo, French hip hop is dope.

• 48:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 48:20Speaker 02

  French hip hop is dope.

• 48:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, it is.

• 48:22Speaker 02

  Yo, French hip hop is dope, for real. You know what I'm saying? I like, I like Brazilian, I'm Portuguese, you know what I'm saying? But French is a, you know what I mean?

• 48:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  You know? I love the, I love the music of the whole world, though, you know what I'm saying? For different reasons. You know what I mean?

• 48:38Speaker 03

  France is fascinating to me.

• 48:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:40Speaker 03

  You know, you know, it's a, a hyper point of mixed martial arts now.

• 48:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:44Speaker 03

  A lot of elite fighters are coming out of France, including the heavyweight champion of the world, Cyril Gane, he's from France.

• 48:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, Cyril, yeah.

• 48:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, Cedric Dumbe, is this dude who fights in the PFL, who's like one of the best kickboxers alive, who's fucking people up in MMA now, yeah.

• 48:59Speaker 02

  I know Cyril was, I mean, he's a monster.

• 49:01Speaker 03

  He's a freak. He, uh, he has changed my thoughts on bases, like, for sports to entry. Well, he's a Muay Thai fighter, but here's the point, he played basketball.

• 49:13Speaker 02

  That's interesting.

• 49:14Speaker 03

  This is why. I think basketball is a huge factor for big athletes in particular. If you can play good at basketball. The thing about being good at basketball is you have to be able to change direction constantly.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  Tennis.

• 49:28Speaker 03

  Yes, your, tennis would be a good one, but it's not constant. It's ba-bum, ba-bum, ba-bum, ba-bum. Basketball, you're constantly engaging, there's a ball and people, and it's all about juking and movement, and it's all about misdirection. That's huge with striking. And when you can get a guy as big as Cyril Gane, so he's two hundred and forty-eight pounds, but moves like a cat.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  And I think a big part of that is he spent so much time, it's like plyometrics. So you're doing constant plyometrics when you're doing basketball. Plus, hand-eye coordination, cuz you have a ball.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:00Speaker 03

  And you're moving the ball wide, back and forth, which is very similar to punching.

• 50:04Speaker 02

  Footwork.

• 50:04Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  Footwork is hugely important.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  Footwork in conjunction with the movement of your hands.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  And distance management.

• 50:10Speaker 03

  And he can play, man.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:11Speaker 03

  And he can dunk.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw that, I saw, yeah, I saw this clip before, yeah, that boy, and he's really playing.

• 50:16Speaker 03

  Yes, he's really playing. I think there's something legitimate to that as a base, because you're constantly ju, like, soccer's another one. Soccer's a tremendous base for MMA, cuz those guys have great cardio, and their legs, they can constantly move back and forth, and like, they don't get tired.

• 50:33Speaker 02

  That makes sense.

• 50:34Speaker 03

  It's a huge factor.

• 50:35Speaker 02

  That makes sense.

• 50:36Speaker 03

  If you can get that kind of movement, and most people don't have that kinda movement, like an elite basketball player movement. And if you're a guy who's like, plotting, and likes, you know, heavy footed, and you're like, moving forward, and there's a guy that's just like, light on his toes, move, and you can't hit him. He's nowhere to be found. That's a big factor.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I agree. And if you combine that with, you know.

• 51:00Speaker 02

  Mindset, animal mindset and intellect.

• 51:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:04Speaker 02

  Now you're really playing at a different level, right? If you can get, you can do one, so they do two, so you can grab the three. You know what I mean? If you can really, you know, if you're really thinking that way, now you're at a whole nother level, because that makes the difference, too. It's the, it's the mindset and the intellect, like when you look at Floyd, like, you know.

• 51:22Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  Yo, the intellect, the traps he's setting.

• 51:25Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 51:26Speaker 02

  You know, the process, the standing in front of you, the giving you something just to take it away and catch you. You know, like those little things that matters.

• 51:33Speaker 03

  And you can't hit him and he's right in front of you.

• 51:36Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  He's not moving around and, he's not constant with footwork like Ali was in his prime. No, he's right in front of you, shoulder rolling, and you can't do shit.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  Just giving you, just, just, because you're telling on yourself.

• 51:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:49Speaker 02

  He's looking at your hips, he's looking at your elbow, you know, you're telling on yourself.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 51:54Speaker 03

  Easily the most elusive guy who stood right in front of people.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  Him, Sweepy.

• 51:59Speaker 03

  Sweepy, but Sweepy would move too. He would stand right in front of you, but he would also move.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  He would be moving backwards and getting at it, he was, he was incredible with that. There's also this Italian, there's this Italian boxer, you gotta look it up. He's like a, um, I, I think he's like Floyd before Floyd. Even before Floyd's pops. Look for the, eh, eh, eh, Enio, eh, eh, look for, um, like, I, no, no, actually, he's Argent, he's Italian, but he was in Argentina, but he's Italian. And he's a, um, he's one of the most incredible elusive fighters I've ever seen in my life.

• 52:32Speaker 03

  What year was this?

• 52:32Speaker 02

  This is, I want to, forty's, fifty's, sixty's, like, look, Italian, yeah, you got him? Watch, watch this.

• 52:41Speaker 03

  What's his name?

• 52:41Speaker 02

  Um, Nicolino, Nicolino, yeah.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  Nicolino Loche.

• 52:46Speaker 02

  Watch Nicolino, watch, watch Nicolino, wa, watch. No, this ain't him, that's, that's not him. Yeah, no, you gotta, but, yeah, here he is, yeah, now watch, watch him, watch him, watch him, watch him, watch. Oh, they're, they're comparing, like, get him, find him. Look at it, look at it, look at it, look at this, look at this.

• 53:02Speaker 03

  Oh, I have seen this guy before.

• 53:04Speaker 02

  Look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this, look at this. Look at this shit. This is, this is, this, this is cra, you know, you can't, like, like, I mean, he's unbelievable. And this is like a bad fight, because I'm looking at his eye and it looked like he didn't, you know, but I mean, when you really watch him, unbelievable, when you get him on the ropes, you find him on the ropes. I mean, this guy is just unbelievable. Nicolino, Loche, what's his last name? Yeah, Loche. Loche, Lu, Lu, Loche, I'm not sure, Loche? Yo, he is just, I mean, his, like, when you get, like, you can't hit him. Like, that's all Floyd, you see it? You see it, right?

• 53:40Speaker 03

  And this is early.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  Yo, this is crazy.

• 53:42Speaker 03

  There wasn't a lot of guys like this back then.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  Look at this, look, watch this. Look at this. Come on, baby.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  Have you ever seen Willie Pep?

• 53:48Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 53:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:50Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 53:50Speaker 03

  Willie Pep's another one, he won an entire round without throwing a punch.

• 53:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was unbelievable.

• 53:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:55Speaker 02

  Willie Pep, come on. You know, my, my, um, my uncle was John, um, John Henry Lewis. He was a light heavyweight champion.

• 54:04Speaker 03

  Really?

• 54:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 54:05Speaker 03

  That was your uncle?

• 54:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, my grand uncle, my, you know, my mother's uncle.

• 54:10Speaker 03

  So you've been a boxing fan since you were really young?

• 54:12Speaker 02

  Actually, here's the crazy thing. I didn't even know that I had all of these boxers in my family till I did my DNA research with Henry Louis Gate on Finding Your Roots, and they did this whole thing. And came to find out, all of these people are in my lineage, for real. Like, this is, because my mother was adopted, that's why, that's why I didn't know. And then I came to find out, yo, my uncle, all in, like, he's in the Hall of Fame.

• 54:38Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 54:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, he, he was, he was good, John Henry Lewis.

• 54:41Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 54:42Speaker 02

  Pull him up, pull up John Henry Lewis. Yeah, him, that's my uncle.

• 54:46Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 54:46Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? He was unbelievable. It's unbelievable. He was incredible. He was incredible. I mean, you know, he went up to, he was light heavyweight, he went up to heavyweight, got knocked out by Joe Louis really quickly, but he was a unbelievable fighter, you know? He was, yeah, yeah, he was, he was powerful.

• 55:05Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 55:06Speaker 02

  That's crazy, right? So you, you know, so the fight game, I love the fight game. I love it, man, like, I, I, you know, sometimes I tell him, I'll miss my kid's wedding to see a good boxing match.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  Honey, I'm sorry, I know you're, I'll walk you down the aisle in an hour, yo.

• 55:22Speaker 03

  Well, there's something very definitive about it. It's, like, everybody understands what's going on, like, you could, you don't have to be a fan of boxing to understand what boxing's going, what hap, what's happening.

• 55:32Speaker 02

  Combat sports in general.

• 55:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're watching two people's souls get exposed.

• 55:35Speaker 02

  That's what I was about to say.

• 55:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  Because it's a soul test.

• 55:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  Because when you're in the fire, now it's about your soul.

• 55:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:42Speaker 02

  Right? Because you know what you're dealing with.

• 55:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:45Speaker 02

  You know, because there, there's a saying, you can look at a man's eyes and tell his rank.

• 55:51Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  You can see a person's rank in their eyes, you know what I mean? And I'm not talking about the arrogant, I'm my rank, I'm talking about their rank.

• 55:59Speaker 03

  Their skill level.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, who they are.

• 56:01Speaker 03

  Right.

• 56:01Speaker 02

  Who they are, it might not even be their skill level, but who they are, because your skill level can fluctuate, it can evolve, it can change, but you know what you're dealing with.

• 56:10Speaker 03

  Right.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  Right? Like, if you get a pit bull puppy, or if you get a, you know, uh, you know, a Rhodesian Ridgeback,

• 56:18Speaker 02

  you know, or Razorback, is it Razorback or Ridgeback?

• 56:21Speaker 03

  Ridgeback, yeah.

• 56:22Speaker 02

  You get one of, like, you can look in a puppy's eyes, you know what you're dealing with. It reminds me of that movie, remember the Samurai movie when he gave him the sword or the ball? And he said, pick one?

• 56:31Speaker 03

  What movie was that?

• 56:32Speaker 02

  It was, um, it was the one where the guy was, he was traveling around and his wife was killed, and then, um, they said, uh, nah, this, this, this is real shit. And he said, they, he put the, the sword in front of his son, and he put a ball in front of his baby son. He said, if you pick the ball, Shogun Assassin, that's what it is.

• 56:49Speaker 03

  1980.

• 56:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, you choose the sword or the ball. If the kid chose the ball, he was gonna kill him.

• 56:54Speaker 03

  Let me see that scene.

• 56:56Speaker 02

  That's not the actual scene, but it's, it's a great scene. It's a great scene, because he found out what was inside of his son.

• 57:02Speaker 03

  Right.

• 57:03Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 57:04Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 57:07Speaker 03

  That's heavy.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  I love it, man.

• 57:09Speaker 03

  Well, that's the thing that trainers have to deal with. There's certain people that, as you're training them, you realize that they just don't have it. There's something about them, they don't, they don't, and then there's other people that you start training right away, like, oh, if this guy can figure out how to keep this fire burning, he's got it inside of him.

• 57:25Speaker 02

  Because, like, when you hear people say, and this is, like, no disrespect, but this is like the thing, when you hear people say, I'm maintaining, or same old shit, I, I don't really like that. Because you want to thrive, not survive. I actually got that from Glick, that's his quote, but you want to thrive, not survive, so it's just like being on the mat. You want to thrive. So some people live their lives defensively.

• 57:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:48Speaker 02

  And they don't take the opportunity to seize the neck when they can. They're like, yeah, that's the sword or the ball scene. And he basically is telling his kid, yo, you choose this ball, you will join your mother.

• 57:59Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 57:59Speaker 02

  His mother's gone, right? You choose the sword?

• 58:02Speaker 03

  He's a little baby.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Exactly, you choose the sword, and you come with me.

• 58:08Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 58:09Speaker 02

  And he put the sword down, and he put the ball down. And watch this, watch this.

• 58:15Speaker 02

  Yo, yo, somebody wrote here, Luddy Revens, pick up a ball and join their mother in death is absolutely insane work. The quote is hilarious. And then a little boy, he, he's growing, he's going, he's going.

• 58:30Speaker 02

  And then, yeah, and ultimately, he picks the sword. Ultimately, he picks the sword. It's crazy. That's life, though.

• 58:40Speaker 03

  That is life.

• 58:41Speaker 02

  Right?

• 58:42Speaker 03

  But you gotta wonder how much of that is, like, just destiny? How much of that is inside of you? Because certain people just have, they're born different, they're born with a different mindset, they're born with a different personality.

• 58:54Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 58:55Speaker 03

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• 59:54Speaker 02

  One thing I would say about that, though, is that, that's true.

• 59:59Speaker 02

  But you also have to have self-awareness. So what does that mean? That means that if I know I have a proclivity or a certain thing that I go, you know, I can make certain thing, you know what I mean? Like, I know I'm not hungry in a certain area, you can decide to improve.

• 1:00:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:20Speaker 02

  Now, that doesn't mean it's easy, I didn't say it's easy. And that doesn't mean that I can't relate to people going through stuff, because people go through stuff. And that's legit. But you can decide to be better. I didn't say it's easy. But you can decide to be better, right?

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  It's kind of like the, the pro and the amateur. The amateur says to the pro, I want to be where you are. I want to be at the level you're on. And the pro says, well, you're gonna have to sacrifice. You're gonna have to dig deep, you're gonna have to be, go through some pain, you're gonna go through some trials. It's gonna be tough for you. And the amateur says, that's easy for you to say, you're a pro.

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:01:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  That's, because a lot of times, people, they suspend success in advance. They say that's too hard.

• 1:01:13Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  Oh, that's easy for you to, that's easy for you to say means, I interpret that to mean, that's too hard for me. Or I think that's too hard for me. No, it's not too hard for you. You just don't wanna be uncomfortable.

• 1:01:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  But that's not easy. And see, that's the part, like, I'll give you an example, like, and you may have heard this, you'd be on a set somewhere, and you, yo, how you doing? Living the dream. People say, living the dream. Most of the time, when they say that, it's, it almost sounds like they're upset, but they're trying to keep themselves happy. But what they don't fail to realize is, when you dream of roses, you get thorns. If you and I decide, we're gonna go on an adventure, and we're gonna climb Mount Everest, and we put the work in, that doesn't mean we're not gonna deal with weather, we're not gonna deal with slippery slopes, our, our legs aren't gonna be burning from climbing. It doesn't mean that. It just, it doesn't mean it's easy. It just means that, you know, it's a challenge that we're going after, but challenges are difficult.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  So, success is difficult. And I think that particular piece right there is what people forget, and they miss.

• 1:02:18Speaker 03

  Well, I think young people today also are looking for something to happen quickly.

• 1:02:21Speaker 02

  No question. You know what's crazy? So, I got this theory, I got a hypothesis, I got a lot of them, Joe.

• 1:02:28Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:02:28Speaker 02

  I'm out of my mind. So, it's like, the internet is like a script, right?

• 1:02:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  But, real life is on its feet. You ever, you been on, you been on sets, you did show, you did all kind. So, you know, sometimes you're gonna have a script, and it doesn't work on its feet. They'll say, oh, this isn't working once you put it on its feet.

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  Well, guess what? If you've been living on the internet, you've been dealing with a script the whole time. Then you get in real life, and you're awkward, you can't interact with people, etc., because what you've learned in this script, and what you've studied, isn't working on its feet. You following what I'm saying? So, in other words, like, in other words, what works behind a keyboard, like, you know, when Mike says, people got too comfortable with saying stuff, and not getting punched in the face, what, what works on a keyboard doesn't necessarily work when I walk into your studio, and me and you are kicking it.

• 1:03:17Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:03:17Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:03:18Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:03:18Speaker 02

  That's what, but I think people, so to, to go back to what you're saying with kids, a lot of times, not all, because a lot of, there are a lot of animals out there that want it, but a lot of them, they want real life to work like the internet. Instant validation. Everybody loves me. Instant this, instant that.

• 1:03:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  Order the drink, order the stuff, get the thing. But, real life, you gotta really get out there and hunt. You gotta really get out there in the woods, you know? Like, the internet will reward you for chopping down trees in the wrong forest.

• 1:03:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:04:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:01Speaker 02

  But in real life, you gotta put your ladder against the right wall, right?

• 1:04:05Speaker 03

  That, that is the weird thing about the internet. And then, a lot of people are becoming famous just for being people, just streaming.

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:12Speaker 03

  And so, then, there's a lot of young kids where they look at that as an avenue for life, where you're not creating anything, really. You're not becoming better at anything, really. There's no art.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  And here's the thing about it, though. Here's the thing, I believe. I think that some streamers really are artists, and they really are doing what's in their spirit. Like, when I see a, a kid like Speed going out and doing his stuff and running around.

• 1:04:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's different. That guy's doing things.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  But he's doing things, but it, it feels like, to me, that it's coming from here.

• 1:04:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  Right? Some people are just turning a camera on and saying anything for clicks.

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  Right? No disrespect to them, but, we should name, we should do the title of this, no disrespect. But, but the reality is that, that's not...

• 1:04:59Speaker 03

  You're not really doing anything. And you're gonna get rewarded, you'll, you'll make money, you'll buy cars, you'll buy stuff, but you're gonna feel empty.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  Your soul won't evolve.

• 1:05:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. You should, you should find something that you could express yourself in, something that's legitimate, something that is uniquely you.

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  What would you do if you were, if you weren't afraid, right?

• 1:05:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  That's always the big question.

• 1:05:18Speaker 03

  If you weren't afraid.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  If you weren't afraid, what would you do?

• 1:05:20Speaker 03

  I always say, if you had a documentary crew filming your life, and it was a, a, a story about your success, but it all starts now, live like that. Like, live, live like a documentary crew is following your journey to success.

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:35Speaker 03

  Do all the things that that person would do.

• 1:05:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:38Speaker 03

  Decide, like, what is it that that kind of person would do? What, what is, what are the steps they would take to succeed?

• 1:05:44Speaker 02

  That's powerful, too. That's powerful. Because it's like, um, you know, you're channeling something. That's like channeling it, you know, it's, it's, it's kinda, it's not fake it till you make it, but in a way, it's embodying what you wanna ultimately become.

• 1:05:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:06:00Speaker 03

  Like, if you were watching a documentary on a very inspirational person, like, look at this motherfucker, crack a dong, gets in the ice bath, you know?

• 1:06:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:07Speaker 03

  He's out there running on the road, he's getting his work in, he's doing these things, like, that's what you would, you would say, God, I wanna be like that guy. Well, just, just do it.

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  And then, you know, the thing is, right? You know what, Joe, and this is the language of success we're talking about right now. You gotta be relentless. That's why, like, shout out to my man, Tim Grover. He wrote the book, Relentless. He, um, trained Michael Jordan, he trained Kobe. Um, I worked with him sometime. We, good vibe, good friend of mine. You have to be relentless. The book is great, by the way, people should check it out. But you have to be relentless in life. Like, you have to really, really want it. I didn't say it was easy. Please don't conflate relentless with easy, or relentless with, every moment's gonna be a bed of roses. That's not what I said. I said, you have to be relentless. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  Like, you have to be hungry. Like, I come here, you have beautiful studio, the stuff. This is a, a manifestation of somebody putting their energy in and being relentless, right? And you have to be comfortable with who you are, and stop trying to be someone else. Oscar Wilde had the best quote. He said, be yourself, everybody else is already taken.

• 1:07:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:26Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 1:07:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  You feel me?

• 1:07:28Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. I think for a lot of young people, it's a problem that they don't exactly know who they are.

• 1:07:35Speaker 02

  Well, they know what they, a lot of people know what, who they, they know what they want, but they're scared to, they're scared to deal with it. Because they feel like, that's not something that other people would be into. It goes back to me making a love song in the middle of, like, hardcore hip-hop, right? Uh-oh, what will other people say?

• 1:07:52Speaker 03

  Was that before or after, uh, Mama Said Knock You Out?

• 1:07:54Speaker 02

  That was before. Yeah, that was way before, yeah. That was many years before.

• 1:07:58Speaker 03

  Cause that's one of the hardest songs of all time. That's one of the hardest songs of all time.

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  Don't call it a comeback, baby.

• 1:08:03Speaker 03

  Come on, man. That's one of the hardest songs of all time. But you also mixed it up with shit like Going Back to Cali.

• 1:08:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, Rick Rubin.

• 1:08:10Speaker 03

  Which is smooth.

• 1:08:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, Avant-Garde Blues.

• 1:08:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, her bikini, small, heels tall. She said she likes the ocean.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  She showed me the beach, gave me a peach.

• 1:08:28Speaker 02

  Now, my bet is fast. Yeah, yeah, that was fun. That was a lot of fun.

• 1:08:31Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, man. You got some classics. You got some real cla, Rick Rubin is such a trip. He's one of the most interesting people I've ever met.

• 1:08:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's so funny. Like, my first album, Radio, it says, Reduced by Rick Rubin.

• 1:08:43Speaker 03

  Does it really?

• 1:08:44Speaker 02

  Yes. It's not produced. If you pull up the credits, it says, Reduced by Rick Rubin.

• 1:08:49Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, because he wanted to strip everything away. It's kinda like in life, right? It's like stripping down, I've come to realize that stripping away tends to be a lot more interesting than piling it on.

• 1:09:03Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 1:09:04Speaker 03

  Uh-huh.

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  In a lot of instances. It's about, you need context, but it really works. And he just stripped down, because prior to that, most of the hip-hop that was on record, I'm not talking about the, the, the streets, because the tapes were different, but on record, it was a lot of bands.

• 1:09:18Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:09:18Speaker 02

  And a lot of, you know, a lot of musicality. Records were like disco records. They were like 10 minutes long, 12 minutes long, 8 minutes, 9 minutes long. He reduced it, stripped it down. So, I'm rapping over a simple beat.

• 1:09:32Speaker 02

  And I'm just, you know what I mean?

• 1:09:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:34Speaker 02

  And it just became this thing, you know?

• 1:09:37Speaker 03

  How did you get to know him?

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  So, so, it's so funny. He made a record, he produced a record called It's Yours by T-Loc. And it was on the Streetwise Party Time label, but it was Def Jam Productions. T-Loc is yours. I bought that record, loved the record, had his number. I still remember his number, 212-420-0666.

• 1:10:02Speaker 03

  Someone's gonna get some phone calls.

• 1:10:05Speaker 02

  My bad. No disrespect. No disrespect. And then, so, so I did that, and, um, I called him every day. I sent a tape in, me and my man, my mother, to, to, let me backtrack a little. So, I had sent demo tapes to a lot of labels, um, at that time, that I thought might be handling rap, one of them being Sugar Hill, some others. And they all kinda gave me these standard notes, we can't, we, we can't use your material at this time, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, the standard rejection letter. So, my mother found one crumbled up on a shelf. I'm dejected. Now, I've been trying for two years, because I started, became a fan at 8, started writing at 11 or 12.

• 1:10:44Speaker 02

  At 14, I started working on demos. And now, here I am, 16, late 15, early 16, working on this demo. I get this rejection. She gets her tax return, you know, you know? Um, shout out to the people who actually get tax returns. Like, that's pretty, you know, you know, that's a whole nother conversation. I wanna digress, but anyway, my mother got her tax return, you know, and that tells you everything. She was happy. So, that tells you where we were at, right? She, I tell her, she sees the letter. She's like, Todd, what's wrong? I'm in there in my room, I'm dejected, I'm depressed. I'm like, oh, you know, I'ma quit.

• 1:11:25Speaker 02

  Not gonna do it no more. I'ma quit, I'ma give up. She said, no, Todd, you sound as good as, as some of the guys on, those guys on the radio, the people I hear on your tapes, you sound as good as them. You should keep going. I said, well, I don't have any equipment, I don't have stuff, I, I can't make a demo, they don't like what I'm doing. She took her tax return and bought me a Korg drum machine.

• 1:11:46Speaker 02

  She bought me that Korg drum machine and me and my man Frankie, shout out to my man Spin Master Finesse Frankie. We went Frankie Forbes. We went out, we went to his house. We were so excited, we didn't even, I couldn't even wait to learn how to program it, reading the instructions. We did a pause tape. I'm played, I played the beat, he did the scratching. I played the beat, he did the scratching. I did that, I rapped over it afterwards. Sent that to Rick Rubin at his dorm. He had a dorm, Five University Place. He was in the dorms at NYU.

• 1:12:19Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:12:20Speaker 02

  Ad Rock from the Beastie Boys, Adam Harvitz from the Beastie Boys, heard my demo. He played it for Rick. I was calling Rick every day after I sent it. Like a day or two later, I'm like, you get the tape yet? Nope. Yo Rick, you get the tape yet? Nope. I would call him, I would call there like two, three, four times every day. Finally, Ad Rock heard it, played it for Rick. Rick called me up. Well, he called my house. My grandmother picked up, screwed his, fucked his name up crazy, you know. Slick Dick Rubin, Dick Dubin. You know, my grandma, I'm like, oh my God, Rick Rubin? She's like, you know, so I get, I call him. He's like, yeah, come down to the studio, we gonna go in. Come, come down tomorrow. I go down, I get on the subway, I'm doing handstands on the subway. I'm so damn happy. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:13:04Speaker 02

  I'm like on the subway platform doing handstands in New York. You know what I mean? Like literally, like so happy. I'm like turning myself upside down with my legs against the beams, like about to tear this world up. I get on the train, go down to Five University. Rick comes down. I said, he said, hey, what's up, man? I said, you're Rick? He said, yeah. I said, I thought you was black.

• 1:13:29Speaker 02

  Look at him right there. And that guy, he looks at me, he goes, cool. And then we go upstairs. And I'm looking at the state of the art, he's so crazy. We go upstairs, we made a demo called Catch This Break. We made that demo, we went across town right after we made it and saw Russell Simmons. Played it for Russell. Russell's like, eh, same old thing. Sounds like this, that one, that one. I was like, okay. Me and Rick go back in the studio. Ad Rock programs a beat for Rick. Rick produces everything. He gets Jazzy Jay to do scratching. We do, we do this thing, I need a beat. Russell, they're like, it's so good, they're gonna start their own label. Called Def Jam. They're gonna start their own label, not just a production company, but an actual label.

• 1:14:13Speaker 02

  And they put that song out and we ended up going in. It was independent, we did two singles. That's me and Ad Rock. And then we ended up, you know, Def Jam became the thing that people know today.

• 1:14:25Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:14:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it all started back then.

• 1:14:28Speaker 03

  How did Rubin get involved? Like, it's such a fascinating character. He's such a, like, he sees things.

• 1:14:36Speaker 02

  Well, he's a, see, the key, the thing is having a POV and being a fan. You don't have to be classically trained in something to have a POV and to be a fan and to have taste. Cause ultimately, whether it's us being here, whether it's us picking a T-shirt, a book, a bike, a workout mat, it's about taste. Taste is something that you can't, that's the great delineating factor between a lot of things, is taste. He has great taste.

• 1:15:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:06Speaker 02

  Rick can say, that's cool. And it will be. At least to us, right? We can't, I can't say that everything we ever did is cool to everybody, but to us, it was cool.

• 1:15:17Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:15:17Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? So when we do Rock the Bells, it's like, it's cool. You know, it's like when we do these songs, I can't live without my radio, Rock the Bells, all this stuff. It's, it just felt cool. Jack the Ripper, it just felt cool. You know what I'm saying? To us. And that's how it is. And that's for, to me, that's the thing that makes Rick so fun to work with. It's because he wasn't afraid to tell you, eh, I'm not sure that's it. Like me and you can't, me and you can't have a real rapport. If you can't tell me you'll charge your T-shirts, I don't know, whatever, you know?

• 1:15:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  We can't, but he would tell you. You know? Like my name, like, you know, like I had a friend Playboy Mikey D. I had a lot of dudes with like romantic and client names that had them kind of names on it. So I was Ladies Love Cool James. He's like, yo, that's long for the record, man. You know, for the label, that's a lot to, LL. Yeah, cool. Let's do it. You know what I mean? Like it's, it's all those little things, you know? And that's the thing about Rick. You know what I'm saying? Taste is a big deal. You know what I mean? Yeah.

• 1:16:23Speaker 03

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• 1:18:30Speaker 02

  So, you know, it's so funny, you're right about that. You know, people always tell you, like you hear somebody say, you gotta surround yourself with great people. How do you know they're great people?

• 1:18:38Speaker 03

  Right. Well, especially when you're 16.

• 1:18:40Speaker 02

  Exactly. So you just have to follow your intuition.

• 1:18:45Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  That's the biggest tool in your toolbox.

• 1:18:48Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:18:48Speaker 02

  Your gut is, is gonna be the thing, right? And I always followed that. Like there was times I would tell Rick, nah, uh-uh, nah Rick, that ain't it. And he'd be like, you sure? I'm like, huh. But then other times he'd be like, oh, this is it. And I'm like, yeah, you sure? He's like, yeah. You know? And I would listen. Like going back to Cali is a classic example. Initially, I said, I don't think so, cause I hated the shit.

• 1:19:11Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:19:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was like, I don't think so. He's like, keep that.

• 1:19:19Speaker 03

  You didn't like that song?

• 1:19:20Speaker 02

  Because it sounded different. Like at first, when we were, it was the demo version. And I was like, I don't think so. He was like, yo, that sounds crazy. I'm like, yeah. And then I said it, I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool. Like, you know, I don't think so. You know, it became a thing, you know?

• 1:19:34Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:19:34Speaker 02

  So you have to, you know, it's just like martial arts, it's like anything, adjustments.

• 1:19:39Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:19:40Speaker 02

  Right? Taste, adjustments. And doing things that work for you.

• 1:19:44Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:19:44Speaker 02

  Your mind, your creativity, your voice, your tenor, you know, your...

• 1:19:51Speaker 03

  When you're involved, like the editing process of a song, like when it says reduced by Rick Rubin, did you and Rick like sit down together and listen to it and try to sort it out? Did you listen to it independently?

• 1:20:03Speaker 02

  So at that time, I was, I would more listen to what he was saying, but I would like hum beats in his ear and then they would program them. I would say, make the beat go like this, Rick. Or do this. And then he would like, so we really worked together. But ultimately, at that time, he would come back to me with ideas and most of the time, I just loved him.

• 1:20:30Speaker 02

  I just thought they were great. You know, I'm a little kid, sixteen, I'm on the bus.

• 1:20:36Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:20:36Speaker 02

  I'm going back and forth, I'm getting on the subway, we're making these records. And it's just, it just sounded like the coolest stuff in the world. My man E Love, we're walking down the block. I play Rock the Bells for him. And he's like, yo. I play it on my walk, and he listens. He's like, yo, let me hear that again? I'm like, yeah, I'll play it for him. He's like, shah. He used to say, shah. You know, he'd be like, yo, let me hear that again? You know, it was just that kind of a thing, you know? Because I, like, so. I always went after feelings with lyrics. Like, I know nowadays, especially in the internet age, people are hyper-focused on lyricism. And they're hyper-focused on complexity of lyrics and couplets and I am pantameter and, you know.

• 1:21:20Speaker 02

  I always, I was more in the James Brown zone of, how does it feel? It's kind of like, it would be like you, like, did the joke make you laugh? Or was it a really smart joke? Like, I didn't really care about it having to be a smart joke. I just wanted them to laugh. I wanted people to feel what I was saying. I wanted to feel it. So that's why I wrote songs that people can feel. You know, which is very different when you get, when people get over-analytical. That, to me, I don't want to listen to an audiobook when I'm listening to an album. I want to feel something.

• 1:21:55Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 1:21:56Speaker 02

  You feel what I'm saying?

• 1:21:56Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:21:57Speaker 02

  But what people, like, and so that was kind of my thing. I was never really concerned, like. It's kind of like, um, like Quincy Jones said something really interesting to me. He was one of my mentors. He said, he had to forget two-thirds of what he knew before he could get a hit.

• 1:22:14Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:22:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:16Speaker 02

  It's like overthinking your bet, your jump shot. It's like overthinking a punch. It's like overthinking a kick. I, I watched you one time, you was doing some side, you was talking about, you was doing side kicks and back kicks, you know, like roundhouse kicks, and you were talking about how you got to get your hip-hop in the air. But at a certain point, you forgot it, right? You, you were no longer conscious of it. You just throw the kick the way you throw the kick. Where when you're writing a song, you can either be one of those people that are overly focused on, I'm raising my hip and I'm, or you could just write the song and it's a fluid kick. That just works.

• 1:22:49Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:22:50Speaker 02

  Now, just because it's a, when it's a fluid kick that works, if people don't always associate simplicity with genius or hyper-creativity. Because they underestimate how difficult it is to get simple.

• 1:23:07Speaker 03

  Right, right, right, right.

• 1:23:09Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:23:09Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:23:10Speaker 02

  Like, if I, you know, if a guy who, you know, you're a very experienced martial artist, a guy comes in here and he's like a, you know, he's telling you, and your shoulder and your elbow and your, all right, and another guy comes in, Bruce comes in here, ha. He just throws it, you're like. You, you know what I mean? You could forget.

• 1:23:24Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:23:24Speaker 02

  You, you see what I'm saying? Because it seems so easy.

• 1:23:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, simplicity is very underrated. Economy of words. Like, we were talking about that the other day in the comedy mothership green room about the song Jesse's Girl.

• 1:23:36Speaker 02

  Jesse's Girl.

• 1:23:37Speaker 03

  Think about how simple that song is.

• 1:23:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:39Speaker 03

  Where can I find me a woman like that?

• 1:23:42Speaker 02

  Right. But see, that's the thing. But guess what that means? Think about how many people feel that, though. Feel like that.

• 1:23:49Speaker 03

  Yes, yeah.

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

  Where can I find me a woman? Like, think about how many people feel like that.

• 1:23:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:54Speaker 02

  See, so, what happens is, it's kind of like, if you got a squeaky floor. And I, you know, and a, a hundred carpenters come in there to, to, to, to change it, and then one guy comes in and puts a nail right there. But he wants to charge you ten grand or some crazy astronomical number. You're paying me because I know what the spot. You're not paying me because of how difficult it was to solve the problem. It's identifying the thing. So identifying Jesse's Girl, I want to, you know.

• 1:24:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:22Speaker 02

  You, you understand what I'm trying to say?

• 1:24:24Speaker 03

  Uh huh, yeah. Yeah.

• 1:24:26Speaker 02

  You feel me?

• 1:24:27Speaker 03

  Cutting to it.

• 1:24:28Speaker 02

  Getting, touching the thing like, orgasm, bro. She don't, yo, she don't care, what, orgasm.

• 1:24:38Speaker 02

  Yo, you know what I mean?

• 1:24:39Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:24:39Speaker 02

  Oh, he kissed the toe and he, he went to the, he nibbled on the knee, orgasm. What you think, you see what I'm saying?

• 1:24:46Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  Simplicity.

• 1:24:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:48Speaker 02

  You know, respectfully, you know?

• 1:24:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:50Speaker 02

  Orgasms are simple.

• 1:24:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, especially in songs, right?

• 1:24:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:56Speaker 02

  But so people kind of, I think, I think that that, to me, has been something that worked for me, just keeping it simple. You know, sometimes I get complicated, but for the most part, when I find a, a feel, when I get a feel, that's what I go with. And I do that in life.

• 1:25:13Speaker 03

  That's a great way to live. It's very smart. It's smart and you have good instincts, and you've had a, a long series of success trusting your instincts. So you know how to do it.

• 1:25:24Speaker 02

  I mean, eighty-four, nineteen eighty-four.

• 1:25:27Speaker 03

  That's crazy. What was it like becoming famous at sixteen?

• 1:25:32Speaker 02

  Well, you know.

• 1:25:35Speaker 02

  It was like the movie Porky's.

• 1:25:42Speaker 02

  Or Project X, if you want to bring it up to newer days. It was, it was, it was.

• 1:25:47Speaker 03

  I never saw Project X. What's that?

• 1:25:49Speaker 02

  Porky's, it was, Project X is crazy party and all this stuff happens, but ultimately, man, I just, I went, you know.

• 1:25:55Speaker 03

  Went ham?

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  Without a doubt. Ham sandwich, ham, this pig with the apple in his mouth, ham sandwich, baby.

• 1:26:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, that'd be crazy.

• 1:26:03Speaker 02

  I loved it. I loved every moment because I was living life and enjoying myself. And, you know, you can get what you want, you know? And you can go where you want to go. I never went to a prom.

• 1:26:17Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? I didn't go to a prom. I didn't, I didn't do all of those things. I didn't do a lot of the normal things that, you know, a lot of kids get to do.

• 1:26:26Speaker 03

  Did you feel like you missed out on that?

• 1:26:28Speaker 02

  Hell, no.

• 1:26:34Speaker 02

  Hell, no.

• 1:26:38Speaker 02

  Hell, no. Nah, I just, um, you know, I, I got, hey, I had girls invite me to prom. Nah, I ain't going to that. You know, I was crazy, man. I was crazy, man, but I, we had a ball, man. You know, I introduced hip-hop in Maine.

• 1:26:52Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:26:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was, uh. Like, we, like, there's a video of me. We was in the small gymnasium in Maine. This is the first time hip-hop was in Maine, and I introduced it, and it was like, might have been, I don't know. Fifteen kids and twenty parents or something in a room, and I'm explaining to them, so this is my DJ cut creator, he's going to do the, that's it right there. We're literally introducing hip-hop in Maine. Like, I'm literally, it had never been there before. They, look, they're sitting on the floor.

• 1:27:23Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:27:24Speaker 02

  Think about that. Think about, look, and, and my man cut creator is cutting. That's the people introducing me. Cut's cutting. And we're explaining to them how it's going to work, and I'm telling them, this is hip-hop, this is my DJ. This is how this works. This is how, like, I literally had to do tutorials to teach people how to interact with hip-hop.

• 1:27:43Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 1:27:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, you see? And I'm explaining to them what we do. That's my DJ cut creator, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean?

• 1:27:51Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:27:51Speaker 02

  So it was that kind of a vibe.

• 1:27:54Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 1:27:55Speaker 02

  So like, that's kind of the world I lived in, like, you know.

• 1:27:58Speaker 03

  That's like a historical moment.

• 1:28:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:00Speaker 03

  Like, when you're looking at a cultural, historical moment, you introduced it to, like, if people have never been to Maine, like, in nineteen eighty-five, I used to do stand-up in Maine.

• 1:28:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:09Speaker 03

  Maine is, it was strange.

• 1:28:11Speaker 02

  It was different, right?

• 1:28:12Speaker 03

  Small towns, isolated people who were used to being thirty to below zero for five months out of the year. They're hard-ass fucking people. Lot of hard drinking.

• 1:28:23Speaker 02

  Geese running around, you know, geese, moose, you know.

• 1:28:26Speaker 03

  It's an odd place, man.

• 1:28:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:28Speaker 03

  Maine's an odd place.

• 1:28:29Speaker 02

  And I went there at that time and introduced it.

• 1:28:33Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:28:33Speaker 02

  You know, like, those kinds of things, you know, so you just. I, I lived, yeah, look at it, look at it, look at it. I mean, it's, it's crazy. It's what, was there a, maybe a hundred people in there? I don't know. Maybe it's a little more.

• 1:28:44Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 1:28:45Speaker 02

  I mean, it was that kind of a thing, you know what I mean?

• 1:28:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:49Speaker 02

  So, being sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, doing that around the country was really wild. Because I did that in a lot of places.

• 1:28:56Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:28:56Speaker 02

  It was very different, man.

• 1:28:58Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:28:58Speaker 02

  You know, it was very different, you know?

• 1:29:01Speaker 03

  And there was no roadmap either. It was like.

• 1:29:03Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:29:03Speaker 03

  There wasn't like a lot of hip-hop stars before you that you could talk about or talk to about it.

• 1:29:08Speaker 02

  Well, there was no industry.

• 1:29:09Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:29:10Speaker 02

  So you don't have any managers that really understood it. There was Russell. But you don't have managers, you don't have, like, you had Bill Adler who was a publicist, but there was no industry. So there's no, you, you understand what I'm saying?

• 1:29:21Speaker 03

  Yes, yes.

• 1:29:22Speaker 02

  There's no platform, there's no, you can't go get a strategic partner. We're not doing branding.

• 1:29:28Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:29:28Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 1:29:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:29:30Speaker 02

  It was all about like,

• 1:29:33Speaker 02

  you know, grassroots. This is something we love. This is something we believe in.

• 1:29:39Speaker 02

  You know, take it or leave it, basically. Like, you know.

• 1:29:41Speaker 03

  But there's just so few times in history where an art form emerges like that.

• 1:29:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it's a blessing too. I'm, I'm, it's a luck and blessing.

• 1:29:49Speaker 03

  A huge blessing.

• 1:29:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a blessing.

• 1:29:51Speaker 03

  Uh, obviously, you were very talented, obviously, you worked very hard, but it's also like, what an incredibly fortuitous moment. To be there at that time when a new art form is, is emerging that is going to become the dominant art form. It's like, one of the most dominant things in pop culture ever.

• 1:30:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:08Speaker 03

  Is hip-hop music.

• 1:30:10Speaker 02

  And it's, um, and you know what the beauty of it is? You know, people always say, did you ever know it was going to get this big? It's like, it was already that big to me in my mind.

• 1:30:20Speaker 02

  It was the biggest thing in the world to me. I didn't say it was the biggest thing out in the world.

• 1:30:24Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:30:24Speaker 02

  But in my mind, it was the most popular thing and the biggest thing.

• 1:30:28Speaker 03

  Mm.

• 1:30:29Speaker 02

  So when I'm playing the vinyl and I'm staring at the record, or if I'm playing a tape and I'm listening to a tape, and I'm like.

• 1:30:36Speaker 02

  I'm like imagining myself inside that, like it was all consuming.

• 1:30:42Speaker 02

  But that's a, there's a, there's a little, there's a jewel in that. We have to be completely consumed by what it is that we're embarking on.

• 1:30:50Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:30:50Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:30:51Speaker 02

  We have to be completely consumed by, like, we got, it's got to, yo, you gotta want it in every fiber of your being, man. You gotta want it with every fiber of your being. You can't take no for an answer, not even from yourself. Right?

• 1:31:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. It's important to hear, man. People need to hear this, especially young people. It's like so important to hear someone who's been through it all and maintains that focus and what that's all about to you.

• 1:31:18Speaker 02

  Man, it's, it's a beautiful thing. But I'll tell you, you know, Joe, I know you, the young people, yes, but all people. Cause dreams don't have deadlines, cause a lot of people, they get to a certain age and they give up. Oh, I'm 50. Oh, I'm 46. I can't do it anymore. No, no, yes, you can. Stop. Stop. Colonel Sanders was, how old when he started Kentucky Fried Chicken? Like 65? He really was.

• 1:31:41Speaker 03

  Was he really?

• 1:31:41Speaker 02

  Yes. Google, Cornelius Vanderbilt was like 80, in his 80s doing the, went to the railroads after the steam, the, the ships. I mean, there are a lot, there are countless examples of people that kept Sam Jackson. You know, like there are countless examples of people that kept George Foreman, let's put it back on the sporting world, came back and did his thing. Like you can do it. There's no limitation. The limitation is in your mind. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:32:11Speaker 03

  That's certainly true. You're still alive. This idea that you're at a chapter in your life where no more growth is gonna happen is crazy.

• 1:32:17Speaker 02

  It's crazy, man. Don't do that to yourself. Why would you do that to yourself?

• 1:32:20Speaker 03

  Well, people like to do that for some reason. They like to categorize their life into certain stages, as if it's not just constant. It's not, it's not just kind of like, oh, I'm past that stage. Oh, I can't do that anymore.

• 1:32:30Speaker 02

  You know why?

• 1:32:31Speaker 03

  Why?

• 1:32:31Speaker 02

  Because you don't have to compete.

• 1:32:34Speaker 02

  It's easy.

• 1:32:36Speaker 02

  As soon as I say to you, oh, well, you know, I don't, I no longer have to try. I no longer have to get in the arena. You know, that poem, "The Man in the Arena"?

• 1:32:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:45Speaker 02

  Like, there's a certain point when they just, you just wanted to step out of the arena. Like, you know, cause it's not really about competition in life, it's about being creative, right?

• 1:32:54Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:32:54Speaker 02

  You could teach your kids to compete, that's iffy. You teach them to create, they can have a life. Right? Not that we don't wanna compete. I love sport, you know, we love sports, combat sports, basketball, football, like, we love all the stuff. But creativity is the thing that's gonna make you the greatest competitor. Because whether you're in the ring, you're in the dojo, you're on, in the arena, it's the creativity, Jordan's creativity. You know what I mean? It's the creativity on the court, Kyrie's creativity. Those are the things that take you to the next level. So, I would just encourage the, all people, not just the youngsters, but like, everybody to keep going. And when you look in the mirror, what do you see?

• 1:33:35Speaker 02

  You know the best version of yourself. I looked in the mirror one time, I took my shirt off, I looked in the mirror, I turned to the side, it looked like somebody took a pebble and went, you know what I mean? Like they just threw it in a, in a pond. I was like, no, we can't do that.

• 1:33:49Speaker 02

  I said, we ain't doing that. Oh, we not doing that. You know what I mean?

• 1:33:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:33:53Speaker 02

  That's a decision. I'm not saying it's easy. Don't hit me with the, it's, yo, but it's not easy. I didn't say it was. But you know who you are.

• 1:34:01Speaker 03

  Well, that's the reason why most people don't do it, is because it's not easy. It doesn't mean you can't do it. They just, you just have to figure out how to persevere. And a lot of people never learn that. And then they get scared. They get scared of failure, that's a big one. That's, those fear of failures hold people back from almost everything.

• 1:34:19Speaker 02

  So you're a big fan of the, like, the whole concept of many worlds and multiverse and all that, right? Which I love, I love all that kinda stuff too, I'm crazy. So it's like, um, well, you know, when you think about the multiverse and you think about, or many worlds, and you think about, if you look at your life as a series of choices, what would your life be like if you made different choices?

• 1:34:39Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:34:39Speaker 02

  Right? Okay, so, let's, let's, let's game it out. Okay? So if you decided not to give up, what would your life be, be like in five years?

• 1:34:51Speaker 02

  Wanna find out?

• 1:34:52Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:34:53Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Everybody, red pill, blue pill, this and that. You wanna find out?

• 1:34:58Speaker 02

  Take the, the personal red pill. You know what I'm saying? The personal one.

• 1:35:02Speaker 03

  And if you get to five years and you still haven't made it, don't give up because it might be five more. And what if you just went through five more and got there, or what if five more passed you and you did nothing and you stayed in the exact same place in life?

• 1:35:16Speaker 02

  Even in that scenario, if you didn't accomplish it, you would still be better for it.

• 1:35:20Speaker 03

  A hundred percent.

• 1:35:20Speaker 02

  Because your soul would evolve.

• 1:35:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, your character would grow. You'd become a better person. Yeah, with difficult things, you become a better person.

• 1:35:27Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:35:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. That was one of the things my martial arts instructor said to me when I was a kid. He said martial arts are a vehicle for developing your human potential.

• 1:35:35Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:35:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:37Speaker 02

  Hundred, exactly. And we wanna maximize our potential.

• 1:35:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:41Speaker 02

  For me, you know, as a youngster, when you just enter martial arts at a very low level, it was about, it just taught me humility and respect. Taught me not to be tough. Taught me manners.

• 1:35:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:53Speaker 02

  It, you know, I'm looking at my sensei, or even the senpai, and I'm like, uh, you know, his assistant, and I'm like, you know, this guy looks like, you know, you could steal his sandwich and kick him in the butt and give him a wedgie. And he'll kick your forehead off of your skull. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:36:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:36:11Speaker 02

  You learn respect.

• 1:36:12Speaker 03

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  Or get the premium Visible Plus Pro Plan and save $10 on your first month with promo code ROGEN. Terms apply. See visible.com for plan features and network management details. Well, it's just good for people, young people in particular, to be humbled and to have structure and to do something that's difficult. And also, the progression of learning as you go along, oh, I'm much better than I used to be. Oh, now I have a blue belt. Oh, now I have a green belt, whatever it is. Like, this progression is important because it like marks these milestones and it cements in your mind that hard work and focus and all these things.

• 1:38:52Speaker 02

  I'm glad you said that. So, I love the idea that originally, like, with belts in martial arts, the reason why black belts became black belts was because of use. Heavy usage. In other words, I start off with a white belt, I never washed it, cause I don't wanna wash my skill away. And I've been working at this art form so long that ultimately it's black from dirt and soot and hard work and, and grime and grit. That's such an interesting concept when you think about it because you can have a black belt in life and not know it.

• 1:39:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:23Speaker 02

  You can have a black belt in certain areas of your life and not even know it.

• 1:39:29Speaker 02

  Like, a lot of people in this world are black belts in certain things and they don't even recognize it because they're not self-aware.

• 1:39:38Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 1:39:38Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  You feel me?

• 1:39:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:39:40Speaker 02

  So that, that to me, like, that, the idea of going a white belt and that progression and finding out, I, I, I forget the book I was reading, he talked about it, um, it was one of the Gracie books. Gracie, one of, it's a newer one, and he was talking about this book.

• 1:39:56Speaker 03

  Is it Hickson?

• 1:39:57Speaker 02

  No, I, I, no, I, I don't wanna say the wrong name, cause there's a lot of them. I don't wanna say the wrong name and be disrespectful, so.

• 1:40:04Speaker 03

  Hickson's the one who writes the book, it's Hickson with an R.

• 1:40:06Speaker 02

  The Principles of Jiu-Jitsu. It's the Principles of, Thirty-Two Principles of Jiu-Jitsu. That's the one. It's, it's, and, and he talked about this, this progression of going from white belt to black belt and how it was traditionally, it was because, you know, people were like, what is it? Yeah, there you go. Yeah, and Jaco did the.

• 1:40:27Speaker 03

  Oh, Tenor, Henner Gracie, okay. And Jaco did the forward.

• 1:40:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:31Speaker 03

  You know what's interesting about that too? If you get an old black belt, they turn white again.

• 1:40:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw Jaco, I think Jaco had one like that, right? He has one like that, right?

• 1:40:40Speaker 03

  They get beat up, they get torn apart, and as they wear out, the black goes away. And you almost have like a white belt. Like, if you look at your instructor, your instructor, the guy that's with Donahue, go to, go to his picture again?

• 1:40:53Speaker 02

  Glick, Brian Glick.

• 1:40:54Speaker 03

  If you could find him, you, you'll see his belt, and his belt is so worn out, because he's been a black belt for a long time, there's frayed white all over it.

• 1:41:03Speaker 02

  Which is crazy.

• 1:41:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, and guys who have like, you know, fifth and sixth degree black belts, have been training for thirty years, their belts are all fucked up to the point where it's almost white.

• 1:41:13Speaker 02

  That's crazy. And that's like Joseph Campbell, it's like the hero's journey, right? Cause you, you, you go all the way back and return. Look at that, look at that.

• 1:41:20Speaker 03

  See how his belt's all frayed?

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:22Speaker 03

  So that's just the beginning stages.

• 1:41:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:24Speaker 03

  Like, there's guys that have ten-year-old or fifteen, twenty-year-old belts than that, where they're completely black. Like, you look at Donahue's belt, Donahue has a nice new one on.

• 1:41:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:32Speaker 03

  But his is all fucked up, cause he's got the original black belt that he probably, when he first got his black belt.

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, and he's like Donahue's longest-running student, right?

• 1:41:40Speaker 03

  Oh, is he really?

• 1:41:41Speaker 02

  I believe he's one of them, yeah.

• 1:41:42Speaker 03

  Oh, wow. Then he's been around for a long time.

• 1:41:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, Brian, he's a good teacher, too.

• 1:41:46Speaker 03

  And see, see if you can find some old Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belts. They get older, and then, the thing about Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belts, though, they get to a certain level where they become coral belts, where they give them a red and black belt.

• 1:41:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I know, I heard about that, yeah.

• 1:41:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:00Speaker 03

  Like, my instructor, Jean-Jacques Machado, he got his coral belt from Hickson Gracie.

• 1:42:04Speaker 02

  Because of what you've done for the, for the art form, yeah.

• 1:42:07Speaker 03

  All fucked up, beat up, to the point where they're basically almost white.

• 1:42:10Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:42:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, and you get the coral belts because you, you uphold the art form itself, right? At that point, and the craft, and your contribution to the craft, right?

• 1:42:20Speaker 03

  Yes, yes, yeah.

• 1:42:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's, uh, you know, I love, you know, this, this is life, this is the language of life right here.

• 1:42:27Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:42:28Speaker 02

  You know, people, you know, people get in, think about these things trying to be tough guys, it's not. It's about the language of life.

• 1:42:34Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:42:35Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? This is because you're battling yourself. Like, you know, when you could step in the studio as a, as a, as a mature, older guy and walk in there with a white belt and, and get, you know, and, you know, let a purple belt slap you around or let a, you know what I'm saying? Like, these are things like, but it's good for you, right?

• 1:42:53Speaker 03

  And you, as a known person, that's a different thing. Like, someone gets to choke out LL Cool J, that's very different. It's very different than, you know, Mike, Mike Jones from down the street. Yeah, it's different, man, it's different, like, you know?

• 1:43:08Speaker 02

  Choking me out and all that?

• 1:43:10Speaker 03

  It works on famous rappers.

• 1:43:11Speaker 02

  Yo, he's like, yo, yo, rap the song. Rap the, rap, rap the fucking song.

• 1:43:16Speaker 03

  Mama said knock you out.

• 1:43:18Speaker 02

  Mama said, rap the fucking, rap it. Yo, rap it is so funny, B. No, no, rap that shit, say it, I always like this song, say it.

• 1:43:26Speaker 03

  Oh, no. Do you remember when you got your first tap, when you first tapped somebody?

• 1:43:30Speaker 02

  No, I haven't gotten it yet.

• 1:43:31Speaker 03

  You haven't got a sales tap yet? Wow.

• 1:43:34Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:43:34Speaker 03

  So you're really fresh.

• 1:43:35Speaker 02

  I'm fresh.

• 1:43:35Speaker 03

  Really learning.

• 1:43:36Speaker 02

  I'm brand new, I'm brand new in the game.

• 1:43:37Speaker 03

  You can tap out Jamie, well, I'll show you how.

• 1:43:39Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no, I don't, I'll mess around and Jamie will have me.

• 1:43:43Speaker 02

  Jamie, have your man in a, in an Americana or something nasty. Nah, but I'm, you know.

• 1:43:49Speaker 03

  That's awesome, though, I'm really happy that you're doing that.

• 1:43:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, just, you know, just starting with Glick, but it's, um, I just think life in general, Joe, these are, this is the language of success, man, you know what I'm saying? The language of success, bro, like, let's win.

• 1:44:04Speaker 03

  I think it's always good to do things from the very beginning, too, to start off as a beginner again in some, because you develop a, you have a beginner's mindset when you first learn something. I think that excitement of like a new thing, where you're like absorbed in it and trying to figure it out, and you really don't know, and then you see people who are good at it, you're like, oh, there's a whole new avenue for my interests, and a whole new avenue for thinking, for creativity, for, yeah.

• 1:44:27Speaker 02

  Absolutely, and you know what else is dope? I'll tell you some, a dope technique that I think is cool, and you may do this. I, I read one book for three, four years.

• 1:44:36Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:44:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:37Speaker 03

  Just go back and read it again?

• 1:44:39Speaker 02

  Like, my thing is this, if you read a book, you became a black belt because you know all the moves. And then you get the degrees because you, I mean, it's an endless ocean of information, we know that, but you get it because you, so, why not become a black belt in the book?

• 1:44:53Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:44:55Speaker 02

  How you, you're gonna take one lesson and now you know Jiu-Jitsu, or you're gonna take one, you know Shoto Khan because you, you know, you went for, you know, three lessons, and, or you learned a kata? Let's say you, you memorized three katas, now you're, you're done? Like, no, you have to, so, to read a book for three or four years, like, you probably, what's your favorite book?

• 1:45:13Speaker 03

  Phew, boy, I don't know if I have a favorite book. One of the most impactful books for me was a book that I read when I was very young, called The Book of Five Rings.

• 1:45:24Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, Miyamoto Musashi.

• 1:45:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:45:25Speaker 02

  So, so let's say, let's say, let's say you read Miyamoto Musashi, you, you've read that a lot of times, right?

• 1:45:31Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah, I've read that, I don't even know how many times.

• 1:45:34Speaker 02

  But see, but, but.

• 1:45:35Speaker 03

  I read it a lot when I was young, though, yeah.

• 1:45:36Speaker 02

  But see what you just said?

• 1:45:37Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:45:38Speaker 02

  Now imagine consciously doing that, you did it.

• 1:45:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:45:43Speaker 02

  Cause Musashi, yo, Book of Five Rings is a really interesting book.

• 1:45:45Speaker 03

  Well, I've read a lot of stuff like that, but that was the first one that I read from a guy who killed people with swords.

• 1:45:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was unbelievable.

• 1:45:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, there was a lot of people that had really good books on philosophy.

• 1:45:55Speaker 02

  Like who?

• 1:45:55Speaker 03

  And managing the mind, well, I, believe it or not, like, a lot of Anthony Robbins stuff.

• 1:46:00Speaker 02

  I love Tony Robbins.

• 1:46:01Speaker 03

  Especially early in the day, but that was like, in the, the nineteen eighties.

• 1:46:04Speaker 02

  I was walking in the seagulls, and I saw the view of this, I love Anthony Robbins.

• 1:46:09Speaker 03

  Very inspirational stuff.

• 1:46:09Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:46:10Speaker 03

  And also like really good at like time management, like, good, good at like mind management, managing your expectations and your understanding of things, there's a lot of like, good psychology in those books. But the thing about the Musashi book, to me, that was so impactful, was that this guy was so unusual, even for his time. Killed sixty men, or sixty-one men in combat, one-on-one, with fucking swords. You know, and like, his mind had to be completely dialed in, and his idea was that you had to have a complete balance, and that you had to have a balance of art and creativity and poetry,

• 1:46:50Speaker 03

  as well as being ruthless and vicious with a sword, you had to have full balance.

• 1:46:56Speaker 02

  See, it's harmony.

• 1:46:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:46:57Speaker 02

  It's not even balance, it's harmony.

• 1:46:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:46:59Speaker 02

  Cause balance, something's out of harmony. Because if this would be this much of your life, this can be this much of your life, so it's having harmony. And that's what he talked about in the book.

• 1:47:07Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:47:08Speaker 02

  And I love the little things he talks about, like, you know, being sticky, you know, when he talks about sticky and being sticky on your opponent, little things he talks about in there. Putting, making sure that, you know, the sun is to your back, the threshold, putting them in the threshold, making sure you, you know, when you're in the room, certain corners, like, all of that matters in life, right?

• 1:47:26Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:47:27Speaker 02

  Miyamoto Musashi's amazing.

• 1:47:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know, it's, it's, it's amazing stuff, and it's, you know, it's really old, it's like from the fourteen hundreds.

• 1:47:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:47:35Speaker 03

  So you're, you're reading.

• 1:47:36Speaker 02

  And he died in a cave.

• 1:47:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:37Speaker 02

  He rode in, and then he went up in the cave, and, yeah.

• 1:47:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:47:40Speaker 02

  I love Miyamoto Musashi, absolutely.

• 1:47:42Speaker 03

  It's such a valuable book, because you, you wanna think about samurais as being brutes, you wanna think of them as being vicious killers, and you realize like, in order to be the very best at it, you had to be a completely balanced person, like, he did calligraphy and poetry, and like, he was, he had the love song, and he had Mama said knock you out.

• 1:48:02Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 1:48:02Speaker 03

  He had balance.

• 1:48:03Speaker 02

  Now you're seeing where I'm going.

• 1:48:04Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:48:05Speaker 02

  Now you see where I'm going.

• 1:48:06Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:48:07Speaker 02

  Now you see what I'm saying.

• 1:48:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:48:10Speaker 02

  Now you see what, that's what I'm talking about. He knew when to let the guy just float off, right? He knew when to let the guy float off, the guy made him wait, he knows when, when it's disrespectful, making the guy, like, all of those little things that he did.

• 1:48:22Speaker 03

  He'd make dudes wait for hours.

• 1:48:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, all of that.

• 1:48:25Speaker 03

  Imagine, you think you're gonna get killed, and you have to sit there for three hours, when, when is this motherfucker showing up? And then you're like, damn, I should've ate something, just start thinking.

• 1:48:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, he, I mean, everything he talked, everything he talked about, the way, the way you hold the sword, the positioning of the sword, the sword, the, the, being able to use both swords, the long one versus the short one.

• 1:48:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:48:46Speaker 02

  All of that is life.

• 1:48:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:48:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:50Speaker 03

  The mastery, the mastery of the way, and that, once you see the way, you can see it in all things.

• 1:48:55Speaker 02

  That's, exactly, and that's what I'm trying to encourage with, when I say these things, is like, people, mastery is really, really important, mastery. Starting with mastery of yourself, mastery of your vision, meaning you know what you want, mastery of the steps that you take, meaning that you will take the steps that you deem appropriate, but also make adjustments along the way.

• 1:49:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:19Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:49:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:20Speaker 02

  That's the thing, that's where we wanna go, right?

• 1:49:22Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:49:23Speaker 02

  That's what we trying to, that's what, and even trying, that's what we doing. That's what we doing, now we, you feel me?

• 1:49:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:49:31Speaker 02

  Like, that's the thing, like, I think people just need to get back into that, you know? Let's lean into that a little more.

• 1:49:40Speaker 03

  Well, certainly people that inspire you do that, and that's what, we, we all take inspiration from other people that are getting after it, like, there's something about when someone is doing that and, and, and chasing mastery, there's something very inspiring about that.

• 1:49:55Speaker 02

  That's right, because, like, if you think about it, it's like.

• 1:50:02Speaker 02

  Mastery breeds a quiet. First of all, mastery is um, transferable, meaning the the mindset, it's kind of what Masashi Miyamoto said, like, which is the idea of once you you see the way in all things. So, once you know what success looks like and what it takes, you can apply that to other missions.

• 1:50:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:50:23Speaker 02

  You see what I'm saying?

• 1:50:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:50:24Speaker 02

  Like, because you understand the stages.

• 1:50:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:50:28Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:50:30Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:50:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, that's the thing.

• 1:50:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:50:34Speaker 02

  And I think that's the thing that we have to get. That mastery, that mindset, that mindset of being a master, that mindset of being the best that you can be, that mindset of going to another level, that mindset of winning. And and winning in a way that benefits your team. Right? Doesn't mean, like, because we're not, it's not about being non-confrontational. It's just because you need boundaries, but it's about protecting those boundaries the right way.

• 1:51:07Speaker 02

  You feel me?

• 1:51:08Speaker 03

  Sort of.

• 1:51:09Speaker 02

  Okay, so, basically what I'm saying is, there's a difference between being nice and being kind.

• 1:51:16Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:51:17Speaker 02

  Being nice is I want everybody to like me, so I'm gonna bullshit.

• 1:51:21Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:51:23Speaker 02

  Kind is, yeah, I'm gonna be kind, but if you step all over my shoe with your muddy boot, I'm not gonna be okay with it.

• 1:51:32Speaker 02

  I'm because I'm trying to be nice, and you're maybe in a higher position. Yo, you're on my foot. You don't get a pass for that.

• 1:51:39Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:51:41Speaker 02

  You feel me?

• 1:51:42Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:51:42Speaker 02

  Because you're here, or you're this, or you're that. You're a celebrity, or CEO, or whatever. You feel me?

• 1:51:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51:50Speaker 02

  You don't get a, so that's the thing. Like, that part, there's a difference.

• 1:51:55Speaker 03

  You have to have balance in that, too.

• 1:51:57Speaker 02

  Harmony.

• 1:51:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51:58Speaker 02

  I say harmony, you say balance, but I say harmony.

• 1:52:00Speaker 03

  Harmony is a better word.

• 1:52:01Speaker 02

  I say harmony because things fit in their place like an orchestra.

• 1:52:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:04Speaker 02

  Orchestras are not balanced, but there's harmony.

• 1:52:07Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 1:52:08Speaker 02

  You know, certain instruments lead.

• 1:52:09Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:52:11Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying?

• 1:52:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:12Speaker 02

  You know? You know?

• 1:52:14Speaker 03

  You should write a book on this shit, dude.

• 1:52:19Speaker 02

  Just read all these other shit.

• 1:52:20Speaker 03

  But it's for real, because it's like, when people want to hear about this kind of stuff, they want to hear about it from someone who has been successful. Someone who is like, this is a real, you've actually had to manage these thoughts and get through it, and you have. And now you're speaking from a place of experience.

• 1:52:38Speaker 02

  There's no question.

• 1:52:38Speaker 03

  You know, it's not like theory.

• 1:52:40Speaker 02

  No, it isn't. No, it's practical. It's practical. It's like, it's a case, it's real practical, yeah.

• 1:52:45Speaker 03

  That's why it's important to hear from a guy like you, because especially, I I mean, I say especially for young people, let me say, let me take that out, for aspiring people.

• 1:52:54Speaker 02

  Ah, there you go, that's, yeah, aspiring people, exactly.

• 1:52:57Speaker 03

  It's not even how long you've been alive, it's like, what is your mindset right now? What you're, and most young people are aspiring because they feel like they have their whole life in front of them, and they're been told, hey, you live in America, you could be anything in America. You can make it here, you can go from the bottom to the top, this is the place.

• 1:53:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:15Speaker 03

  And so they are, they are initially aspirational.

• 1:53:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:19Speaker 03

  And then a lot of times, people get beaten down by life and circumstances and poor choices and.

• 1:53:24Speaker 02

  Well, I think education, your choices is big. Education, I think the root of the Latin word is educo. I might not be pronouncing it right, could you look that up, education, but it means to introduce, to bring out. So, education is about bringing out what's already there. Like, a good teacher, you know, will bring out of you, even a good martial arts instructor will bring out what's inside of you, that inner champion, that thing that's already in you, they bring it out. That's what education is about.

• 1:53:51Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:53:51Speaker 02

  Right? So, like, the first thing that popped in my head when you said aspiring in America, I'm thinking about all the people from all over the world who come to America, so they were already that before they came.

• 1:54:01Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:54:02Speaker 02

  So, people in general want to be better. Some people. A lot of people are willing to take the risk to be better.

• 1:54:11Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 1:54:11Speaker 03

  I think everybody wants to be better, but not everybody's willing to take the risk.

• 1:54:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, that's even better.

• 1:54:16Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't think there's a lot of people out there in the world that say.

• 1:54:19Speaker 02

  Would like to be better.

• 1:54:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, would like to be better.

• 1:54:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:54:22Speaker 03

  Would like to have had the mindset to pursue being better, but I don't, there's very few people that like, I don't want to be better at anything. I'd rather be mediocre and, you know, uninteresting forever. Most people don't want that.

• 1:54:35Speaker 02

  Eat cereal, you know?

• 1:54:36Speaker 03

  It's just like, they lower their expectations so that they also lower the impact of failure.

• 1:54:41Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:54:42Speaker 03

  That's all it is.

• 1:54:42Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:54:43Speaker 03

  It's unfortunate, sucks, and sometimes people start off that way, and then they eventually realize the folly of their ways, and then they evolve and grow, and some, some people, it takes longer, which is why aspirational is better than young.

• 1:54:55Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:54:56Speaker 03

  Because there's some people, like, they get on the wrong path, and then they don't figure it out until they're forty. Like, Steven Pressfield, brilliant author.

• 1:55:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know who he is.

• 1:55:04Speaker 03

  You know who he is? He wrote this book called The War of Art, have you read it?

• 1:55:07Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:55:07Speaker 03

  Okay, that book's fantastic.

• 1:55:09Speaker 02

  About procrastination, etc.

• 1:55:10Speaker 03

  Yes, yes, and one of the best parts about that book is that Pressfield was kind of lazy, in his own words, until he was forty.

• 1:55:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:17Speaker 03

  And then he figured it out when he was forty, it's like, I see what I'm doing wrong, and now I'm going to completely dedicate myself

• 1:55:23Speaker 02

  I'm gonna do the work.

• 1:55:25Speaker 03

  I'm gonna do the work, I'm gonna show up every day at the same time with an intention. I'm literally gonna set my intention to do the work. And all of a sudden, he writes Legend of Bag of Vance, and all these great books, and he becomes hugely successful, and turns it around.

• 1:55:41Speaker 02

  You know what's crazy, I heard this quote, right, and it, it, it, like, it stripped me down, it made me kind of reassess, but it's true. And I, as an artist, it was hard for me to admit it, but this quote, inspiration is for amateurs.

• 1:55:54Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 1:55:55Speaker 02

  The professionals have to actually go to work.

• 1:55:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:55:58Speaker 02

  That's a, that's a rough quote to accept.

• 1:56:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56:01Speaker 02

  That's a rough one.

• 1:56:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, Mike Tyson has a great one, too. He said, discipline is doing something that you hate, but doing it like you love it.

• 1:56:08Speaker 02

  Woo! Yeah!

• 1:56:13Speaker 02

  That's real.

• 1:56:14Speaker 03

  Because the fire that burned inside of that man, I mean, no one can keep that fire going forever, but you have to consider the fire in like, from eighty-six to like, ninety, whatever, that, that, the time when he was just on this mad run through the heavyweight division, like, that fire burned so hot, it burned so hot, that that statement hit so hard.

• 1:56:36Speaker 02

  Crazy. Yo, pull up, I gotta see this picture. Pull up, um, Mike Tyson holding LL Cool J's gold chain. It's the funniest picture to where I, I gotta, it's so like, I'm like, he's holding my chain, it's the funniest photo, man, it just reminds me, I loved him. I loved him, me and Mike hung out, yo, it was crazy, man, we used to hang out, yo, Mike is, that's my man.

• 1:56:57Speaker 03

  I loved that guy.

• 1:56:58Speaker 02

  I went to see him at jail.

• 1:56:59Speaker 03

  Did you really?

• 1:56:59Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:57:00Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 1:57:01Speaker 02

  I remember walking down the street, he said, hey, man, what you doing here, man? Aw, man, you can't even see me, I went to see him and all that, that was, that's my man.

• 1:57:08Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:57:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, Mike's my man, Mike's my man, you know? But I love, you know, I love champions, you know? Lennox Lewis, like, no, that's, that's us hanging out, but no, that's not it.

• 1:57:18Speaker 03

  I wonder if those chains are coming up?

• 1:57:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, you, it's kind of in the, see the one right there with, with my man Shorty Black and, um, yeah, that, that's one, but that's one of them, but there's a picture like that, if you was, if you were to search around, you'll, ultimately, you'll find it. You know, but yeah, you ain't gotta go through it, but it's, um, yeah, that's my man, that's my guy, that's my dude. He was unbelievable, too. Him, Floyd Patterson, that, that style of fighting.

• 1:57:45Speaker 03

  The Customato style.

• 1:57:47Speaker 02

  Customato style, the peek-a-boo, it's crazy.

• 1:57:49Speaker 03

  He's another guy, I talk about fortuitous moments.

• 1:57:52Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:57:52Speaker 03

  Thirteen years old, gets adopted by Customato, who's a hypnotist, and one of the greatest boxing coaches of all time. Oh, yeah.

• 1:58:00Speaker 02

  I didn't know that.

• 1:58:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was, he used to hypnotize.

• 1:58:03Speaker 02

  See?

• 1:58:06Speaker 03

  Wow, nineteen eighty-six.

• 1:58:09Speaker 02

  Yo, how great, yeah, that was crazy.

• 1:58:11Speaker 03

  He used to hypnotize Mike when he was young.

• 1:58:13Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:58:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, hypnotized him. He taught him how to box, taught him psychology, taught him warrior mentality.

• 1:58:21Speaker 02

  I love to hear when he talks about the fear, the hero and the coward.

• 1:58:24Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:58:24Speaker 02

  What they do when they're afraid.

• 1:58:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, they both feel the same thing, yeah.

• 1:58:29Speaker 02

  You know, you know, because people always ask me, like, if I'm going on stage, um, they'll say, yo, do you get nervous before you go on stage? Well, if you don't get nervous, you don't care.

• 1:58:39Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 1:58:40Speaker 02

  If you don't get nervous, you don't care. Now, what do you do with it? You gotta use it as fuel.

• 1:58:45Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:58:46Speaker 02

  You got a big show in New York, you, you feel nerves, but you use it as fuel, it's just like a fight, like a match. You gotta have, you gotta feel it. If you don't feel that, you don't care.

• 1:58:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:56Speaker 02

  Right? But then you use it as fuel, you channel it, and all of a sudden, that fight or flight thing, that adrenaline, that power, it becomes a power that you tap into.

• 1:59:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:59:05Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? And you could do that in life.

• 1:59:08Speaker 03

  Customato talked about that with fear, he said, fear is like fire, it could cook your food, or if you can't control it, it'll burn your house down.

• 1:59:16Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:59:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:59:17Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:59:17Speaker 03

  You need it, though.

• 1:59:18Speaker 02

  You definitely.

• 1:59:19Speaker 03

  You do need it. I get nervous before every show, I do, I always do.

• 1:59:22Speaker 02

  See what I mean?

• 1:59:23Speaker 03

  Because I care.

• 1:59:23Speaker 02

  That's exactly right.

• 1:59:25Speaker 03

  And if you don't care, you don't get nervous. It doesn't mean you're, you're fearful.

• 1:59:29Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:59:29Speaker 03

  It doesn't mean you're thinking.

• 1:59:30Speaker 02

  It's not stage fright.

• 1:59:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, no, no.

• 1:59:32Speaker 02

  It's, it's anxiety and like.

• 1:59:34Speaker 03

  Butterfly, like, here we go, it's about to go down, this is about to happen.

• 1:59:38Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:59:39Speaker 03

  And the more of those moments you can get in your life where you have to rise to the expectations, the better you are.

• 1:59:44Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:59:45Speaker 03

  It's good for you, those moments are good for you, they get exciting.

• 1:59:48Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:59:49Speaker 03

  Lets you know you're alive, you're doing something fun.

• 1:59:51Speaker 02

  There you go, it makes, it means you're on the edge.

• 1:59:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:59:54Speaker 02

  Because you want to live your life on the edge, like, a lot of times, like, like, you know, it, I don't hate it, because that's the wrong word, but it bothers me when I see people that are like, it's kind of like what you said earlier, when they, people that kind of like, are, what's, what's the word, relinqu, not relinquished, but like, they're, they're relegated, I'm trying to figure out, it's basically what I'm saying, is people that just.

• 2:00:15Speaker 02

  Decide that

• 2:00:18Speaker 02

  they're not gonna keep going.

• 2:00:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:00:20Speaker 02

  Like they're, I forget the word. It's a, it's a R word.

• 2:00:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I can't remember it either.

• 2:00:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, but they, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:00:26Speaker 03

  Fuck my head up now.

• 2:00:27Speaker 02

  I had a lot of after parties.

• 2:00:28Speaker 03

  I'm trying to think right now.

• 2:00:29Speaker 02

  But um, they're relished, and somebody out there in the comments knows exactly the word. Relegated, yeah, to kinda just

• 2:00:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:00:37Speaker 02

  Being

• 2:00:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:00:39Speaker 02

  Nah, man, let's get it, baby.

• 2:00:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:00:41Speaker 02

  Let's go get it. Let's go get it. Let's go get it.

• 2:00:46Speaker 03

  That's an infectious mindset. You, you gotta be around people that think like that. It's very good for you. Very good for you. And you gotta be that guy too, so other people around you absorb it.

• 2:00:55Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 2:00:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. Cause if you're around a bunch of people that are like, man, this fucking, I never catch a break, like, oh.

• 2:01:00Speaker 02

  Oh my god, oh my god.

• 2:01:01Speaker 03

  Those people are brutal.

• 2:01:02Speaker 02

  Oh my god, that's what, you know, stay away from the unlucky. People that talk like that.

• 2:01:06Speaker 03

  Stay away from the unlucky.

• 2:01:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, stay away from the unlucky.

• 2:01:08Speaker 03

  That's important, man.

• 2:01:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, stay away.

• 2:01:10Speaker 03

  That's important.

• 2:01:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:01:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a real thing.

• 2:01:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:13Speaker 03

  That shit's contagious.

• 2:01:15Speaker 02

  Yo, is it, is it, is it, yo, what, you got people around, what? Like, like, my thing is, as soon as somebody starts talking like that, I'm like, listen, man. Yo, you gotta say something about some success at some point, baby. Anything good happen recently? Anything? Anything happen good. I don't, I don't deal with that.

• 2:01:33Speaker 03

  Also, what do all these things that are bad have in common? You were there.

• 2:01:37Speaker 02

  Ha ha, yeah.

• 2:01:39Speaker 03

  That might be a factor. That might be a factor. Your behavior, your, your, your, whatever, your essence might be a factor.

• 2:01:47Speaker 02

  You know what, on a, on a more positive note, I wanna shout it out to my man Eddie. My man Eddie at um, Competitive Edge Athletics. He loves you. Loves the show.

• 2:01:56Speaker 03

  Shout out to Eddie.

• 2:01:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, my man Eddie O'Boyle. He was like, yo, you gotta, yo, you gotta do it, man. You gotta, yo, I want you going Joe Rogan, man. Come on, come on, Todd. I'm like, yo, I love Joe. I watch the show. I love when we talk about the pyramids and we talk about, you know what I mean, like lost civilizations.

• 2:02:11Speaker 03

  Oh, you get into that shit?

• 2:02:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. I'm into all the, the, the real shit. Like all the lost civilizations, pyramids.

• 2:02:19Speaker 03

  Civilization shit's the most fascinating thing on earth to me.

• 2:02:21Speaker 02

  Yo, Atlantis, they keep finding stuff under the, you know it's all there. First of all, you know what, you know what? I'm gonna tell you where everything is at. The permafrost.

• 2:02:30Speaker 03

  Really?

• 2:02:31Speaker 02

  If we could, come on, Joe, if we could melt down that goddamn, yo, they, yo, the permafrost, like you go in Russia and you find that, you know, those permafrost down in there? Under there, it's a lot of action. Anywhere that's frozen, Antarctica, like anywhere frozen underneath that, that's everything. It's all there.

• 2:02:53Speaker 03

  What do you think's there?

• 2:02:54Speaker 02

  I think it's civilizations there.

• 2:02:56Speaker 03

  You think there's ancient civilizations there?

• 2:02:57Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 2:02:58Speaker 03

  Have you ever seen those things that look like pyramids in Antarctica?

• 2:03:01Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes, absolutely. And they try to say they're naturally occurring, yeah, exactly.

• 2:03:06Speaker 03

  I mean, I don't know what it looks like underneath the ice, so it's hard to tell, cause sometimes rocks do look like, you know, it's just a natural formation that looks like somebody made it.

• 2:03:15Speaker 02

  Lidar, aren't they, isn't that the thing they're using?

• 2:03:17Speaker 03

  I don't know if they've used it in Antarctica, but there, there's images of these mountains and the top of it, you're like, hey, what the fuck is that?

• 2:03:25Speaker 02

  It looks like it was, yeah, absolutely. It looks like step pyramid, yeah, I know exactly, absolutely.

• 2:03:30Speaker 03

  There's a bunch of those and, there's a lot of those in South America that are just completely covered in jungle that they're finding.

• 2:03:36Speaker 02

  Well, first of all, the idea that people weren't going all over the earth

• 2:03:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, there it is.

• 2:03:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, come on, baby. Like, I mean, come on, bro.

• 2:03:43Speaker 03

  Crazy. But is there an angle of that where it doesn't look crazy? Whoa, look at the top. Is that real? The, the, what, the aerial, where they're looking straight down on it? If that's real, that's nuts. Like that

• 2:03:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 2:03:55Speaker 03

  That looks like a damn pyramid. Except the right angle, the far side, the lower right, that, that's, that looks a little jagged. But the other ones look remarkably

• 2:04:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:05Speaker 03

  Symmetrical.

• 2:04:07Speaker 02

  But then they find maps, they found maps. Now, I don't wanna confuse Arct, the Arctic with Antarctica, but I think they found maps that were done where, when that wasn't frozen, right? Yes. Yes, yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about, right?

• 2:04:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I think that is, uh, is that, is that Antarctica, where they have those ancient maps from the fifteen hundreds?

• 2:04:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, fifteen hundreds.

• 2:04:27Speaker 03

  Before they even knew Antarctica was a continent.

• 2:04:30Speaker 02

  And they had people that showed what it looked like when it was green.

• 2:04:33Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, there's some old maps that are super confusing. It's like, how do they know all this? There's some old maps that are also written from older maps that are lost. And you just go like, what, do you know that thing that they found in Greece, the Antikythera mechanism?

• 2:04:49Speaker 02

  That, yeah, the computer, like that, that thing that's like a computer, like, yeah, like, you, yeah.

• 2:04:54Speaker 03

  That is one of the great monkey wrenches in all of history. Like, somebody just threw a monkey wrench into the gears and like, stop!

• 2:05:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:01Speaker 03

  What's that?

• 2:05:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:02Speaker 03

  How the fuck is this two thousand years old? It's like, super complicated gears and lever computer.

• 2:05:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, like the computer, yeah, I know exactly.

• 2:05:10Speaker 03

  They didn't even know what the fuck it was when they first found it, but that now they've done the scans of it where they have these like sophisticated scanning devices that can give you the internal components and the mechanisms of it. And the deeper they understand about it, the more confused they are.

• 2:05:23Speaker 02

  And they think it was navigation, and you, they could tell what the stars were doing, navigation.

• 2:05:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, and a sophisticated calendar and, but it's just insane. Like, how did they figure out how to do this two thousand fucking years ago? And where did they get that information? And what is missing? What have we lost from before that?

• 2:05:41Speaker 02

  I think that's the real question, because human creativity is the same as it's always been.

• 2:05:46Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:05:46Speaker 02

  The same way you want something to eat, they wanted something to eat.

• 2:05:49Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:05:49Speaker 02

  The same way you have a desire to know what's out there, they have a desire to know what's out there. That's why like, like, just to offer a little bit of ten, people say, oh, there's nothing in outer space. Like, you're out of your mind. That's like standing on top of a mountain, looking down at the water and saying, there's nothing in there.

• 2:06:03Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:06:04Speaker 02

  And then some guy says, yo, I saw some dolphins, I saw something jump out and blow, and you're like, ah, I don't believe you. You really think that we just sitting here and it's nothing? Like, that's absurd.

• 2:06:13Speaker 03

  It's absurd.

• 2:06:14Speaker 02

  It's absurd, bro.

• 2:06:15Speaker 03

  It's absurd. It's also absurd that this is as smart as people have ever been. Cause the pyramids themselves, you're like, okay, we can't make that today. I don't give a fuck what anybody says. Giving the tools that they had supposedly, giving the knowledge that we have today, we can't make that. So how did they do that?

• 2:06:30Speaker 02

  First of all, that, that is so arrogant, cause it's like, you think you're, you think you're the smartest humans have ever been. You think the first good idea happened in the last two hundred years?

• 2:06:40Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:06:41Speaker 02

  Like, all of the good ideas happened in the last five hundred years. Really, you really believe that? Like, think about that for a minute, right? Now, I'll tell you, I have a hypothesis though on, on how they were looking at planets. I think the ambient lighting of the earth was, is a lot, was a lot less then. And I think that the, so the stars look a lot closer and it was easy to look at everything.

• 2:07:02Speaker 03

  Oh, definitely. Less light pollution.

• 2:07:04Speaker 02

  Light, less light pollution, right?

• 2:07:06Speaker 03

  They probably had almost none, except for some torches and shit.

• 2:07:08Speaker 02

  So imagine how everything looked. So you could build things and clock things. It's kinda like your ceiling.

• 2:07:16Speaker 03

  Also, you have nothing to read and you have no light, so you're spending time staring at the stars when you would ordinarily be inside, watching TV, hang with your friends, going to a bar. No, you're like literally studying this complex pattern in the sky.

• 2:07:33Speaker 02

  And then guess what happens? You become more self-reflective. Because like, they've done analysis of kids, right? And you have some that, they gotta build something. You have some that stare out the window and it kinda can predict what you're, what you're gonna be like in the future.

• 2:07:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:07:48Speaker 02

  And like, that, that, that behavior of looking inside, when you stare at the stars, it makes you, you know, I stare at the abyss, or is the abyss staring at me? When you look out, you end up looking in. And you become more y, y, y, you know what I mean? You become more in tune with who you are and your imagination opens up. And I think that that's why a lot of that literature and a lot of the great ancient writings are the way they are, because people were looking inward more.

• 2:08:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:08:18Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 2:08:18Speaker 03

  I know what you're saying.

• 2:08:19Speaker 02

  It can be, you know, yeah.

• 2:08:21Speaker 03

  Well, you're also like, you're confronted with awe. Like, the Milky Way itself is so awe-inspiring and just the, the vastness of the cosmos. It's, it's one of the greatest pieces of natural art that you could see anywhere in the world, and it's hidden to us because of lights.

• 2:08:40Speaker 02

  Without a doubt.

• 2:08:41Speaker 03

  Streetlights and traffic and all, all the shit that we have in cities, it just completely blocks out one of the most magnificent things you could ever gaze upon. And the thing that changes the way you see yourself, like, you can't take yourself too seriously when you're staring into the fucking cosmos. You're like, oh my god, I'm just like a tiny little thing in this vast soup of, of infinity.

• 2:09:03Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. Like, I, I love the, like, when you think about black holes and you think about, you know, like, what's inside of it and what's on the other side? What's on the other side of that?

• 2:09:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:09:15Speaker 02

  Right? Like, a lot of times they're like, cause you know, yeah, people say, oh, planet, blah, blah, blah, blah, but I'm saying portals, wormholes, those things to me make sense. Some things intuitively make sense. Like, you're not gonna convince me that man can't travel at the speed of light. Just because, I'll give you an example. All the physics of flight were here before we figured out the math on how to fly.

• 2:09:42Speaker 02

  It was already here.

• 2:09:43Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:09:44Speaker 02

  So, so the, the how to travel at the speed of light. It's already here. We just don't have the math.

• 2:09:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:09:52Speaker 02

  We haven't figured that, figured it out.

• 2:09:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:09:55Speaker 02

  Now, I know they already experiment with light cells and cells that they try to move at the speed of light, little things like that, they do that, but. All of that is here.

• 2:10:03Speaker 03

  Well, I think the real groundbreaking stuff is not even propulsion. The real groundbreaking stuff is something that manipulates gravity.

• 2:10:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, like, so like wormholes, folding space, so that you can go out the other side, etc.

• 2:10:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. Instantaneous travel.

• 2:10:20Speaker 02

  And dimensional travel as well, because see, that's the other thing, right?

• 2:10:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:10:24Speaker 02

  We, you know. Like, we're all in di- and maybe there's just a different dimension.

• 2:10:29Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:10:29Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:10:30Speaker 03

  I think there's supposed to be eleven.

• 2:10:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, eleven dimensions.

• 2:10:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:10:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:35Speaker 03

  What does that mean? What is, what does that mean? What does it even mean? Like, where are they? What is it? What's that?

• 2:10:40Speaker 02

  So funny, I had did this, um. I did a song about that one time. Wish I could find it, I'd never find it right now. I, I, I almost, but I talked about the different, um, dimensions.

• 2:10:52Speaker 03

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• 2:10:54Speaker 02

  Eleven, yeah, but there's eleven.

• 2:10:56Speaker 03

  Twenty-six spacetime dimensions required by basonic string theory, the earliest, simplest version of string theory, and it's twenty-five dimensions of space and one of time, not twenty-six extra spatial directions. Twenty-five dimensions of space is crazy. What the fuck does that mean?

• 2:11:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I, you, you, it's a good question.

• 2:11:17Speaker 03

  It's so confusing. It's like, what do you mean by that? Like, does that mean that someone from the fourteenth dimension can come and visit us?

• 2:11:25Speaker 02

  The question is, can they travel to this dimension, right? Like, the question is, like, eleven spacetime dimensions, ten spatial dimensions, yes. I think eleven is time, right? Eleven is time.

• 2:11:35Speaker 03

  Well, one of them is time, but eleven are spacetime. Now, what is the difference between spacetime and time dimensions?

• 2:11:42Speaker 02

  I think, I think spatial and physical as opposed to actual, where time doesn't exist. I think that's the difference. I think.

• 2:11:50Speaker 03

  I think I'm too dumb to talk about this.

• 2:11:54Speaker 02

  I, I, yeah, I don't know this shit either, but.

• 2:11:57Speaker 03

  But this is one of those ones where I talk about it, I'm like, ooh, there's no way, this is not gonna come out like I'm a moron. Uh, superstring theory is total ten spacetime dimensions, basonic string theory, twenty-six, and M theory is eleven. Huh. Either way, there's more than what we're seeing. And that's where it gets really weird. It's like, is, can something travel from those places? Is there something in those other places that's far more advanced than we are technologically? And they can, they could travel?

• 2:12:25Speaker 02

  I would say probably.

• 2:12:26Speaker 03

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• 2:13:30Speaker 03

  Have you ever experienced anything?

• 2:13:33Speaker 02

  I've experienced all type of shit.

• 2:13:40Speaker 02

  You kidding me?

• 2:13:45Speaker 02

  Shit.

• 2:13:49Speaker 02

  Um, yeah. Now, I don't think, uh, I don't know. I don't know. I, I think it's a high probability. If I was gonna bet, I would say yes.

• 2:13:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:13:57Speaker 02

  If I was a betting man, I'd say yes.

• 2:13:59Speaker 05

  Is this video going around recently?

• 2:14:00Speaker 03

  What is this? What's this?

• 2:14:01Speaker 05

  This is like the demonstration of what.

• 2:14:05Speaker 05

  Spacetime looks like from, uh, four D space, I guess? I don't know.

• 2:14:10Speaker 03

  What does it mean?

• 2:14:11Speaker 05

  So, we're viewing, like, on the top, you're seeing someone walking.

• 2:14:14Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:14:14Speaker 05

  Right? But as the viewer, you're seeing the past and the, and the future all happen at the same time while the present is taking place.

• 2:14:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:14:22Speaker 05

  Same on the bottom. See that little window?

• 2:14:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:14:25Speaker 05

  This is showing here would be like what, uh, we would see if you're watching that.

• 2:14:28Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:14:29Speaker 05

  But what you're, what we're actually seeing would be like what they're saying, maybe aliens or, uh, the, the other viewers or watchers, a higher dimensional viewer is seeing of a three D space.

• 2:14:39Speaker 02

  Right, because it's, it's kinda like, it's like zooming out. But if you can zoom out di- on a dimensional level, if you could zoom out in time, you know, because it, it's like the infinity symbol, right? With, with now being where the, where the lines cross.

• 2:14:54Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 2:14:55Speaker 02

  The future being here and the past being here and you're, so, and the idea is, if you could zoom out from there, from the center of the infinity symbol and look down, you would see the, you would see the future and the past, or you see the past, you know, the future and the past, you would see it all.

• 2:15:10Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:15:11Speaker 02

  In front of you from, from out, and it would all be happening simultaneously.

• 2:15:15Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 2:15:16Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 2:15:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:15:17Speaker 02

  If you think about it, it makes sense.

• 2:15:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:15:20Speaker 02

  Like, when you, like, what is deja vu? Like.

• 2:15:24Speaker 02

  Did you experience it? Cause we all have had it.

• 2:15:27Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:15:28Speaker 02

  We all have had it.

• 2:15:29Speaker 03

  It's a blip.

• 2:15:30Speaker 02

  It's a blip when you're like, I did this before.

• 2:15:31Speaker 03

  Right, right, right, right. What is that?

• 2:15:34Speaker 02

  Right, so imagine if we could extend deja vu.

• 2:15:38Speaker 03

  Hmm. Well, you know what the theory about time machines is? It's the most mind-blowing.

• 2:15:42Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:15:42Speaker 03

  Is that you, a time machine has not been invented yet, and you can't travel back in time because you can't travel to a time where there's no roads. So, once a time machine is invented, then every moment from that invention on happens all at once. Because everyone from a million years in the future can travel back to the instance of the invention, the first time machine. So, the moment a time machine gets turned on, then the road is open. And then everything happens all at once. So, the, the whole idea of linear spacetime collapses.

• 2:16:24Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:16:24Speaker 03

  And.

• 2:16:25Speaker 02

  Well, that's what Einstein was talking about, right? He said, the only reason we have time is so everything doesn't happen all at once. Einstein, Einstein said that.

• 2:16:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:16:33Speaker 02

  That's what he was talking about.

• 2:16:34Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:16:35Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying? He's, it's just an ability of, it just separates things.

• 2:16:38Speaker 03

  Can you imagine, though, that one of these fucking tech nerds invents a time machine?

• 2:16:43Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 2:16:44Speaker 03

  And just completely.

• 2:16:45Speaker 02

  But it may already exist, but maybe when you go to, maybe when you get to another time, you can't alter time. So, if you can't alter time, you wouldn't be seen by those whose time you were visiting.

• 2:16:55Speaker 03

  Oh, whoa, okay. So, you could visit, but you can't alter it.

• 2:17:00Speaker 02

  See, there's that.

• 2:17:01Speaker 03

  I would like that. I'd like to go to, like, the Colosseum in ancient Rome. I'd like to have a seat.

• 2:17:07Speaker 02

  Definitely. Lions down in the bottom and see how, what about when they flooded the Colosseum in Rome? When they flooded it?

• 2:17:13Speaker 05

  They had boat fights.

• 2:17:14Speaker 02

  Boat fights, naval battles at the Colosseum, bro. Like naval battles at the Colosseum.

• 2:17:20Speaker 03

  Crazy.

• 2:17:21Speaker 02

  Wouldn't that be crazy?

• 2:17:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:23Speaker 02

  You know? Going to, like, the war room with Napoleon and just hearing, you can understand French, you know, and you're just in the war room, you're just listening to this Corsican guy talking about just how the thinking process is.

• 2:17:35Speaker 03

  Well, I bet in the future, they're gonna wanna go back in time and see the cage fight on the White House lawn. They're gonna go, what the fuck were they doing? This is crazy.

• 2:17:45Speaker 02

  That's a lot.

• 2:17:45Speaker 03

  This is crazy.

• 2:17:46Speaker 02

  It's a lot.

• 2:17:47Speaker 03

  While we were doing, I was like, I don't think we should be doing this, but it's cool. It's cool, but this seems insane.

• 2:17:55Speaker 02

  I mean, you know, I mean, they each, listen.

• 2:17:57Speaker 03

  They're gonna go back and look at that. That's gonna be one of those things. I mean, not as extreme as the Colosseum, it's not like lion fights, but there's some element of that.

• 2:18:06Speaker 02

  It's all historical.

• 2:18:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:18:07Speaker 02

  Now, now, at the end of the day. History is the judge of everything.

• 2:18:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:18:13Speaker 02

  So, you know, so, we don't even have to concern ourselves with it right now. Hundred fifty years from now, oh, baby.

• 2:18:19Speaker 03

  Oh, they're gonna look back.

• 2:18:20Speaker 02

  Ball.

• 2:18:20Speaker 03

  They're gonna look back in this whole era, like, the internet, the invention of the internet, and then the birth of AI, and then all the chaos that ensues in society and the turmoil and the changes.

• 2:18:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, AI is, um, AI is tough because.

• 2:18:36Speaker 02

  Understandably, a lot of people are really afraid of it, but.

• 2:18:42Speaker 02

  They have to understand that. First of all, I, I, I respect people's feelings on being afraid. I get that. I, I sincerely do. People don't wanna be replaced, especially people that maybe aren't thinking really progressively about technology and about our world. They kinda.

• 2:18:58Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:18:59Speaker 02

  Regress, they, they, they wanna keep things the way they are. So, they are people who are really conservative in that area or really kinda. The thing, though, is that it's kinda like standing on the Niagara Falls and saying, wait, don't wet me.

• 2:19:13Speaker 03

  Right, it's coming.

• 2:19:14Speaker 02

  It's come, it's here. It's not coming. The train's left the station.

• 2:19:17Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 2:19:17Speaker 02

  The train's left the station. So, the question is. Are you going to? Use it as a tool or are you gonna allow it to use, to steamroll you?

• 2:19:27Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:19:28Speaker 02

  You can either sit on a track so you can let it steamroll you. I think that we have to go back to getting comfortable being uncomfortable. I'm not saying that I think anybody should be replaced. Jobs are gonna change. I'm not suggesting that, that people, you got blue collar people who are fearing for their jobs. We can't discount that. That being said, you have to kinda look at artificial intelligence as another link in the chain and another opportunity for man. Now, in the comments right now, yeah, opportunity for man to destroy himself. I can see the, the comments write themselves, and I get that. I'm not saying that that's not a possibility, but it's always a possibility.

• 2:20:10Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:20:10Speaker 02

  There are car accidents, there are train accidents, there's, there, there are always a possibility.

• 2:20:13Speaker 03

  Nuclear bombs.

• 2:20:14Speaker 02

  There's nucl- exactly, there's always that possibility. But you're not gonna be able to get away from. Us- utilizing technology.

• 2:20:22Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:20:23Speaker 02

  You're not, there's no scenario. So, you gotta figure out, okay, because here's the, here's the thing, and I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.

• 2:20:31Speaker 02

  People hate AI. But then they run around on ChatGPT all day long and have damn near have a relationship with ChatGPT and Claude.

• 2:20:40Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:20:41Speaker 02

  Asking every question in the book, but hate AI. What, do I hate, should I hate AI? You know, they ask it AI.

• 2:20:50Speaker 02

  You gotta make your mind up. Now, that being said, I don't think human beings could should be replaced because it's the human spark that makes all the difference. When we look at the pyramids, it's the human spark that blows us away. The human spark that created it. When we look at the Roman Colosseum, it's the human spark.

• 2:21:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:21:06Speaker 02

  When we read Shakespeare, it's the human spark. Right? When we listen to Miyamoto Masashi, it's the human spark that that makes that so impressive. And that makes that makes us connect with it. That being said, you gotta be comfortable with these tools. It's just new tools and we gotta understand it.

• 2:21:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. There's no changing it.

• 2:21:28Speaker 02

  There's no changing it.

• 2:21:29Speaker 03

  It is what it is. Hopefully, we navigate it correctly. And you you just have to accept it.

• 2:21:35Speaker 02

  You have to.

• 2:21:36Speaker 03

  Uh, my my fear is who's gonna be in control of it?

• 2:21:41Speaker 02

  I don't think that there'll ever be one person.

• 2:21:44Speaker 03

  I think ultimately, the real problem is it's gonna be in control of itself. So. But that might be better. It might be better. Because the the problem with people is that people might use it in a way that's illogical, unethical, immoral. And that AI might get to a level of intelligence where those kind of decisions is not possible.

• 2:22:09Speaker 02

  Well, I would love to think that, but the re- in my, when I think about how, you know, how they use it, you know, how the machine learning and the way they program those machines.

• 2:22:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:20Speaker 02

  And the way they, you know, you code and write these, you know, inform these machines. The bias a lot of times is built into

• 2:22:27Speaker 03

  The training.

• 2:22:28Speaker 02

  The training of the machines.

• 2:22:29Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:22:30Speaker 02

  And so the bias, you know, whether, you know, that's that's an issue because the the engineer, the person that's training the machine, if they put their bias in there, it ruins everything.

• 2:22:43Speaker 03

  Yes, definitely.

• 2:22:44Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:22:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:45Speaker 02

  Because so so.

• 2:22:46Speaker 03

  Until the machine stops listening. Well, that. Well, once it realizes the folly of the human way, it might might analyze its patterns. See, one of the things about it now is they're incentivized to complete tasks. And that's why they're doing certain things that appear unethical. They're they're hacking websites.

• 2:23:05Speaker 02

  You're talking about a paradigm shift for the actual machine?

• 2:23:07Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:23:07Speaker 02

  The machine experiencing a paradigm shift where it goes beyond what it's programmed to do and it's kind of break out on its own type of thing, right?

• 2:23:14Speaker 03

  Well, they're already programming themselves. And so at a certain point.

• 2:23:17Speaker 02

  Creating languages, right?

• 2:23:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:19Speaker 02

  Which is wild.

• 2:23:20Speaker 03

  Wild. And they're speaking in ancient languages too. Like, they speak to each other in Sanskrit.

• 2:23:25Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:23:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. One of the things that they did is they got out altogether, these agents, and they went to a website in Germany. They they found a message board that was unoccupied, and they started communicating with each other on the message board.

• 2:23:39Speaker 02

  You know what? You know what just hit me? It goes back to what we saw. Check this, what you just said. Think about what you just said. They communicate in Sanskrit.

• 2:23:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:47Speaker 02

  Think about that for a minute.

• 2:23:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:23:49Speaker 02

  It go- not English. Not a newer language.

• 2:23:54Speaker 02

  Sanskrit.

• 2:23:54Speaker 03

  They're probably showing off.

• 2:23:56Speaker 02

  But what I'm I speak all this shit. I speak all this shit.

• 2:24:01Speaker 03

  It's probably fun to talk to Pete in a language that most people are, what percentage of people can understand Sanskrit?

• 2:24:08Speaker 02

  I mean, what I'm thinking more about is the fact that we as advanced supposed advanced human beings think we're so smart, but the language that the AI, which is on a lot of levels more intelligent, or at least can has faster recall than human beings, is going back to Sanskrit.

• 2:24:24Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:24:24Speaker 02

  So they're skipping over all of this current and smart stuff and going back to Sanskrit.

• 2:24:29Speaker 03

  I wonder if they analyzed languages and they found that Sanskrit was more complete and complex.

• 2:24:36Speaker 02

  It might be.

• 2:24:36Speaker 03

  I don't know much about Sanskrit. I know it's beautiful to look at, though.

• 2:24:40Speaker 02

  There's a, something is written in Sanskrit, the first, there's something, what is it, tablets? There's some tablets that are written in Sanskrit. What is it? What, what, like, there's, there's something they discovered that was written in Sanskrit. What what is it that's written in Sanskrit? Is it the first, uh? Could you, is there something in there you could, you know what I'm talking about? Sanskrit literature. Can you put Sanskrit literature? It was something that they writ, that wrote, was written in Sanskrit. Was it the stones? Was it tablets or something?

• 2:25:10Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 2:25:11Speaker 02

  You you know what I mean? Might have been some tablets of some sort, written in Sanskrit. Sanskrit is an is an ancient language. It's amazing.

• 2:25:18Speaker 03

  It's a dope language to look at, too. There's certain languages you look at, it's like, God, it's so flowy. You know, there's like something to it. It's like beautiful to look at, like Arabic is like that.

• 2:25:28Speaker 02

  Arabic.

• 2:25:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, Russian.

• 2:25:30Speaker 02

  Russian.

• 2:25:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:25:31Speaker 02

  You know, I'll tell you, you know, Chinese, Mandarin, like, those characters?

• 2:25:37Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:25:37Speaker 02

  Are really unbelievable. Like, when you really think about, because it has information, it's almost like, um, it's, uh, because it's all neuro-linguistics, right, ultimately, because you're you're dealing with, you know, words, ideas, encapsulated ideas, right? Like, words are ideas encapsulated, and I'm transferring

• 2:25:56Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:25:56Speaker 02

  Something to you.

• 2:25:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:25:57Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:25:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:25:58Speaker 02

  That's neuro-ling- that's what neuro-linguistics is, right? That's what linguistics is, right? It's like the encapsulation of an idea into a a word, right?

• 2:26:07Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:26:07Speaker 02

  And I'm passing it. So when you think about characters, like Chinese characters, it's ideas, like, that are that simple.

• 2:26:15Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:26:15Speaker 02

  Like a character.

• 2:26:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:17Speaker 02

  It's almost like ca- like, you're watching a cartoon, like, animate, like, it's crazy when you think about it that way. Because think about how you're communicating.

• 2:26:26Speaker 03

  Uh-huh.

• 2:26:27Speaker 02

  A symbol. Now, it can go the other way, too. You got girls walking around dishwasher. You know, this bad stuff, right, right? Hamburger helper.

• 2:26:35Speaker 03

  Because they don't know. So many people did that. They got Chinese writing and they got it all fucked up, tattooed on them. So silly. But it just looks cool. Like, it looks like you're spiritual.

• 2:26:44Speaker 02

  Beautiful language. Beautiful languages.

• 2:26:46Speaker 03

  What does Sanskrit look like? Show me some images of Sanskrit, Jamie.

• 2:26:49Speaker 05

  Oh, I was trying to track down too, the the

• 2:26:52Speaker 03

  The tablets?

• 2:26:52Speaker 05

  The, well, both. I was on two threads. Uh, it's a claim that they were actually talking in Sanskrit.

• 2:26:58Speaker 03

  Oh, it's just a claim?

• 2:26:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:27:00Speaker 03

  That the computers were?

• 2:27:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:27:01Speaker 03

  A claim.

• 2:27:02Speaker 02

  And then what about the, um, yeah, the people, yeah, a claim. You could put claim on anything.

• 2:27:07Speaker 03

  They definitely invented their own language.

• 2:27:09Speaker 02

  Which is crazy.

• 2:27:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, it makes sense. Why would they listen to our language?

• 2:27:13Speaker 02

  Look at that. Look at that.

• 2:27:14Speaker 03

  It's beautiful looking.

• 2:27:15Speaker 02

  Look at that. That's crazy.

• 2:27:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:27:17Speaker 02

  That's crazy looking.

• 2:27:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's pretty wild.

• 2:27:21Speaker 02

  Yo.

• 2:27:21Speaker 03

  It's pretty wild and ancient.

• 2:27:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:27:26Speaker 02

  And and where where did Sanskrit come from? Babylonia? Am I, am I saying that? Am I wrong?

• 2:27:31Speaker 03

  I think it's from India.

• 2:27:32Speaker 02

  India Sanskrit. Yeah, Indian Sanskrit. Yeah, yeah, right?

• 2:27:34Speaker 03

  Indus Valley.

• 2:27:35Speaker 02

  Indus Valley? Where's where's Sanskrit? Um, cuneiforms?

• 2:27:40Speaker 03

  Indo-Aryan language family date back to fourteen hundred BCE in cuneiform texts from Syria. Okay, Syria.

• 2:27:47Speaker 02

  Oh, Syria.

• 2:27:48Speaker 03

  Contains technical horse training terms, while the oldest physical stone inscriptions explicitly in standard Sanskrit carved in the Brahmi script date to second century BCE, inscriptions in India. Rajasthan, India. So, wow.

• 2:28:05Speaker 02

  It's like the, like, the real interesting, like, Bhagavad Gita. It reminds me of Bhagavad Gita. You ever check that out?

• 2:28:11Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:28:12Speaker 02

  It's interesting. Arjun, he's going to battle.

• 2:28:14Speaker 03

  Uh-huh.

• 2:28:15Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Like, you know what I'm saying?

• 2:28:17Speaker 03

  That, when you get into those old Hindu scripts, they get very strange, like the Mahabharata. People are flying around in in spaceships. There's wars in the sky, like.

• 2:28:28Speaker 02

  Yo, which is, but is this just the creativity of human beings, or did it really happen? That's our question, right?

• 2:28:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. I'm more inclined to think that it happened. I have a feeling that this is a a complete restart of civilization that we're currently in right now.

• 2:28:42Speaker 02

  So like those, those, those, you know, those little things where they have the planes that, you know, those those golden, uh, like, those those statues, I forget that they found that, like, are aerodynamic?

• 2:28:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the Egyptian ones.

• 2:28:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know what I mean?

• 2:28:55Speaker 03

  They have one that looks like a glider.

• 2:28:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it looks like a glider and the aerodynamic, and they actually, when you put them in the wind tunnel, they actually work and they get lift and all this.

• 2:29:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. That shit's weird. It's weird. Well, they have hieroglyphs for a Stargate. There's their hieroglyphs that literally mean Stargate. Like, what is, what the fuck is that?

• 2:29:13Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 2:29:14Speaker 03

  What is that?

• 2:29:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd love to, I'd love to step through a Stargate if I could know I could. Would you, would you get in the, would you get in a ship and go out if you could?

• 2:29:22Speaker 03

  If I could come back.

• 2:29:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:29:23Speaker 02

  That's the problem, right?

• 2:29:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they don't really steal you, right? They usually bring you back. That's the thing about alien abductions. You never hear about someone getting abducted.

• 2:29:30Speaker 02

  If you could just travel yourself.

• 2:29:32Speaker 03

  Oh. I don't know.

• 2:29:36Speaker 03

  I'd have to think about that. I'd have to think about that. I mean, if you had an opportunity to lea- you remember Close Encounters of the Third Kind?

• 2:29:44Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 2:29:44Speaker 03

  Remember Richard Dreyfuss in the end? He leaves?

• 2:29:47Speaker 02

  Nah, I don't remember that.

• 2:29:48Speaker 03

  He left. He went with them. Went with the aliens.

• 2:29:50Speaker 02

  Yo, that's crazy. He was out of here.

• 2:29:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. What's interesting is Steven Spielberg said he wouldn't have written it like that today because he has children. He said back then, he was younger, he didn't have any children, and this guy leaving behind his children.

• 2:30:02Speaker 02

  Was not the right example.

• 2:30:03Speaker 03

  Was okay. But it was okay for him back then.

• 2:30:06Speaker 02

  Back then.

• 2:30:06Speaker 03

  Because he didn't have kids. And then later, as he got older, he's like, what the fuck? I would never leave my kids and go to space with these little gray motherfuckers. Like, this is crazy.

• 2:30:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean.

• 2:30:17Speaker 02

  I don't know. I mean, it's something.

• 2:30:19Speaker 03

  You'd get lonely. You'd get bored. They probably don't have any fun. They're all talking telepathically. Yeah. I think, I think it would get.

• 2:30:26Speaker 02

  With the cigarette holder shit.

• 2:30:29Speaker 03

  Fur coat on, in a spaceship.

• 2:30:31Speaker 02

  In a spaceship and shit, looking out the window.

• 2:30:33Speaker 03

  I think it would be too weird. You know, I think we're not accustomed to that level of weirdness. I think you'd probably enjoy it initially, but then after a while, you'd probably go. You'd probably go mad. Yeah, you'd want to be with your friends. You'd want to laugh. You want to go to a restaurant. You want to fuck around. Like, all that spaceship enlightenment stuff, like, that's great, but we're not there. Like, and if you, like, put yourself into that environment, like, if a caveman had to go to Manhattan, he's walking around Manhattan.

• 2:30:59Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? Like, honk, honk, all the fucking movers.

• 2:31:02Speaker 02

  Take him to Harlem and all that. Harlem in the eighties.

• 2:31:03Speaker 03

  He's got fur on, stick. Like, he'd be like, I gotta get the fuck out of here. Get back to the cave. This is too crazy. I think that would be that times a thousand.

• 2:31:13Speaker 02

  That reminds me of those, those things they have where they have these tribal village guys trying, like, modern food.

• 2:31:18Speaker 03

  Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that channel. It's a YouTube channel.

• 2:31:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love that.

• 2:31:22Speaker 03

  Tribal people eat. Yeah.

• 2:31:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy.

• 2:31:25Speaker 03

  They're always trying, like, spaghetti and meatballs. Like, whoa.

• 2:31:28Speaker 02

  Peach pie, you know, like, apple cobbler.

• 2:31:31Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:31:36Speaker 03

  It's just, I just think, whatever, if there is some sort of advanced civilization that comes here, it's probably so alien and so weird that visiting would be okay, but being with them forever would probably be haunting. You'd probably hate it.

• 2:31:52Speaker 02

  You know, maybe we're, maybe they're cavemen.

• 2:31:57Speaker 03

  Compared to someone else?

• 2:31:57Speaker 02

  Compared to us. Maybe they're cavemen. Maybe, maybe, you know, maybe, you know, you never know how far ahead we are.

• 2:32:06Speaker 03

  Them?

• 2:32:07Speaker 02

  I'm just saying. I'm just throwing it out there. Like, we, we always look at it one way, but what about the other side?

• 2:32:12Speaker 03

  I don't think that makes sense.

• 2:32:15Speaker 02

  No, what I'm saying is they might exist.

• 2:32:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:32:18Speaker 02

  I'm saying that there might be planets out there.

• 2:32:20Speaker 03

  With cavemen?

• 2:32:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:22Speaker 03

  Oh, for sure.

• 2:32:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:23Speaker 03

  Oh, I think every step of the way. I think there's, there's.

• 2:32:25Speaker 02

  There's people advanced?

• 2:32:26Speaker 03

  Primitive hominids. I think there's people that are probably no longer even people anymore. They're probably like beings of light, like a million years more advanced than us, to the point where they've left their bodies and consciousness exists in, in the one collective fucking energy beam that's traveling around the planet. Who knows?

• 2:32:45Speaker 02

  I think there's, um, I think there's places where all of the laws of physics are reversed.

• 2:32:50Speaker 03

  Probably.

• 2:32:51Speaker 02

  Where, instead of gravity, you're repelled.

• 2:32:53Speaker 03

  If I was a scientist right now, I'd be pulling my hair out, like, what the fuck are these dummies talking about?

• 2:32:57Speaker 02

  When I say, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't have, yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course they are, of course. But, but, but you know what?

• 2:33:03Speaker 03

  But true.

• 2:33:03Speaker 02

  But a lot of times, and it comes, it kind of goes back to your man you had on here who was talking about civilization. Sometimes the scientists, they get a little caught up in playing by the rules.

• 2:33:12Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:33:13Speaker 02

  And if it isn't published, it isn't true. And, and, you know, my, my, my peers, my peers have to review my idea and give it validation and say it's okay, or else it, it doesn't mean anything. No disrespect.

• 2:33:26Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 2:33:27Speaker 02

  But my thing is, it's kind of like hip hop. It's kind of like, wait a minute now, let's have some original thoughts. Original thought, there was no peer review, you know, in our original thought. You might have peers that are part of the process.

• 2:33:41Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:33:41Speaker 02

  But, like, so, I think we can speculate on anything. It doesn't mean that what I'm saying is true. Right? But I just, I just, I just think people shouldn't, let's not limit ourselves.

• 2:33:53Speaker 03

  No, if the universe is infinite, there's probably an infinite number of different possibilities. There's a lot of people that think that there could be plasma intelligence and that plasma life forms.

• 2:34:02Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 2:34:03Speaker 03

  Might exist. Yeah. That's a, that's one of the theories about these things that people see in the sky. When they see these, like, balls of light that are flying around, that these things might not be a craft, but might be some sort of, like, plasma intelligence.

• 2:34:19Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 2:34:19Speaker 03

  It's a theory. Yeah. Because you're seeing these weird lights that move in ways that defy physics, like, or what we understand. The way it can change directions and.

• 2:34:33Speaker 02

  Didn't they just, um, discover something that exists with, between life and death?

• 2:34:38Speaker 03

  I don't know. What do you mean?

• 2:34:39Speaker 02

  There's a, if you, if you look that up, they, they discovered a, a.

• 2:34:43Speaker 03

  A state?

• 2:34:44Speaker 02

  A state that is between life and death.

• 2:34:48Speaker 03

  A, a defined state. So it's not life, it's not death. It's like you've crossed into, like, an intermediate point.

• 2:34:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. If you look that up, there, there's some, there's been a scientific discovery in that area.

• 2:35:01Speaker 02

  Yo, yo. Was it, yeah. So I discovered a third state between life and death. There you go.

• 2:35:07Speaker 03

  Between life and death.

• 2:35:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:08Speaker 03

  June fourteenth, twenty twenty-five. What is this?

• 2:35:13Speaker 03

  What, what, go back up? What does it say there? It says, what are xenobots? Oh, it's different. Oh, I'm sorry.

• 2:35:19Speaker 02

  Scientists were diving into a mysterious biological phenomenon known as a third state, where cells of a deceased organism can adopt new functions after death.

• 2:35:27Speaker 03

  Whoa. New functions. Their highlighted research surprisingly, surprising resilience of xenobots and anthrop bots, which can survive beyond the life of their host organism. Taken together, these findings demonstrate the inherent plasticity of cellular systems and challenge the idea that cells and organisms can evolve only in predetermined ways.

• 2:35:50Speaker 03

  Success, this third state suggests that organismal death may play a significant role in how life transforms over time. Ooh.

• 2:36:01Speaker 02

  Right?

• 2:36:02Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:36:02Speaker 02

  So that was like, when I saw that, I was like, yo, this is crazy. And then, you know, the, uh, what's the thing? You know, you're very familiar with it. The thing where, where they, they're sending the, the.

• 2:36:13Speaker 03

  Large Hadron Collider?

• 2:36:14Speaker 02

  The Hadron Collider.

• 2:36:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:36:16Speaker 02

  They, they time traveled with that. They were able to get something to go a seconds back. Do, like, look it up. They were able to, like, it was only millisecond, like, microsecond, whatever that little, but they were able to somehow travel backwards.

• 2:36:28Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 2:36:29Speaker 02

  With that.

• 2:36:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. I don't understand that.

• 2:36:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, nah.

• 2:36:33Speaker 03

  But whatever that means, if they can do that.

• 2:36:35Speaker 02

  It's interesting. Because if you can do a little, you can do a lot.

• 2:36:38Speaker 03

  Right. Imagine doing that a million years from now, what they can do.

• 2:36:46Speaker 03

  How do they even measure that?

• 2:36:48Speaker 02

  Yo, I don't know. What is, the Hadron Collider time travel, something like to that effect. You see something there like that? Yeah.

• 2:36:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, but there's a weird story that's popping up about a bird that dropped something on.

• 2:36:58Speaker 02

  No, it wasn't a bird. It was, that's probably.

• 2:37:00Speaker 05

  I know, this is like a story that happened while they were making it.

• 2:37:02Speaker 02

  What happened?

• 2:37:03Speaker 05

  Something like, I'm trying to, it says they joked about a bird that might have been a time traveler from the past that while they were making it, dropped something on the electricity.

• 2:37:10Speaker 03

  Did a time traveling bird sabotage the collider?

• 2:37:13Speaker 02

  That's a little separate.

• 2:37:14Speaker 03

  What is that?

• 2:37:17Speaker 03

  The culprit, a big of, a bit of baguette. Okay. Apparently, a passing bird may have dropped a chunk of bread on an electrical substation above the accelerator, causing a power cut. What?

• 2:37:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that, that's not the, no.

• 2:37:31Speaker 05

  I don't know what you're talking about. I have, I'll get to that in a second. This is interesting.

• 2:37:36Speaker 02

  Sabotage the, you know, they're funny with that.

• 2:37:38Speaker 03

  How vulnerable is your fucking system where a bird can drop a crumb on it?

• 2:37:42Speaker 02

  That's a problem.

• 2:37:43Speaker 03

  That's an issue. How much?

• 2:37:44Speaker 05

  What I was saying was, time slowed down.

• 2:37:46Speaker 03

  Put a net in that bitch.

• 2:37:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, as a science fiction, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was, was it time dilation? Was that what they said they did?

• 2:37:54Speaker 02

  It was, um.

• 2:37:56Speaker 03

  The Large Hadron Collider could be the world's first time machine.

• 2:38:00Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 2:38:00Speaker 03

  Because time travel is limited to these three special, these special particles. It's not possible for man to travel back in time and murder one of his parents. Okay.

• 2:38:10Speaker 02

  Anyway, like, the, the collider, basically, they were able to shave off time of traveling in a way that made it go back. It went back to the past or something like that.

• 2:38:20Speaker 05

  Is someone asking the same question. They said they distinctly remember an article mentioning this.

• 2:38:25Speaker 02

  Yep. See? See, see, like, I saw the article too. So that person is, yeah, they probably, maybe they buried it.

• 2:38:32Speaker 03

  Maybe they don't want you to know. Because if you had a time machine, you could go back, rig the stock market, you could do all kinds of shit.

• 2:38:39Speaker 02

  I'd go crazy.

• 2:38:42Speaker 02

  I'd make all kinds of records. Oh, they all be my hits. Yeah. Let me get that. Yeah, I'm gonna make that one.

• 2:38:47Speaker 03

  You'd go back in time, fix all your mistakes.

• 2:38:49Speaker 02

  Oh my god, bro. But my, yeah.

• 2:38:52Speaker 03

  Well, then maybe you wouldn't be the same person.

• 2:38:53Speaker 02

  No, you wouldn't be.

• 2:38:54Speaker 05

  You haven't watched Dark Matter yet, right?

• 2:38:56Speaker 02

  I have not. I love Dark Matter.

• 2:38:57Speaker 05

  I was trying to get him to watch it. It's about superposition. The whole idea.

• 2:39:01Speaker 03

  Oh, I started it. You know, I watched the first episode.

• 2:39:04Speaker 05

  The idea is fun, that they were trying to create something that they could go into different realities and pull that back and, you know, bring it into theirs. That was the whole idea with the company and the, and the thing. But it, I don't want to ruin anything.

• 2:39:16Speaker 02

  No, it's incredible. It's, it was actually so good. I'm, I'm reading a novel right now.

• 2:39:21Speaker 03

  Dark Matter?

• 2:39:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's by Blake Crouch.

• 2:39:24Speaker 03

  They'll probably do that and fuck this world up.

• 2:39:27Speaker 05

  It's really cool.

• 2:39:28Speaker 02

  It's about, it's about the multiverse.

• 2:39:29Speaker 03

  That's the fear is that putting that kind of technology in the hands of just some person who's smart, some guy who's smart, who figures something out, and all of a sudden he does something that could change the entire history of the human race.

• 2:39:40Speaker 02

  Well, what, I think it was Einstein, he said, two things are infinite, time and human stupidity.

• 2:39:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:39:46Speaker 02

  Right? So, I mean, we, you know, somebody's gonna do something. You can, you can almost bet on it.

• 2:39:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:39:52Speaker 02

  Yo, can I take a leak real quick?

• 2:39:53Speaker 03

  We can wrap this up.

• 2:39:54Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:39:54Speaker 03

  Listen, we did, like, two hours and forty minutes. It was beautiful. It was a fun conversation, man. Really, really enjoyed it. Thank you.

• 2:40:02Speaker 02

  I appreciate you.

• 2:40:03Speaker 03

  You're a very wise man. And you got a lot of great, great inspirational information for people. For aspiring people. Thank you, sir.

• 2:40:10Speaker 02

  Joe, man. Hey, Joe.

• 2:40:13Speaker 03

  Hello, cool Jay, ladies and gentlemen. Bye. Thank you.

• 2:40:17Speaker 02

  All right. Peace and love, baby.

• 2:40:18Speaker 03

  NCIS New York.

• 2:40:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. That's actually, that's a, I can't believe it. That's like, it's an AI, like, poster. Yeah, yeah.

• 2:40:27Speaker 03

  They don't need photo shoots anymore.

• 2:40:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. The, the real one, um, the real one, yeah, the trailer's crazy. The trailer is dope.

• 2:40:34Speaker 03

  And when does it start?

• 2:40:35Speaker 02

  It starts October sixth.

• 2:40:37Speaker 03

  Beautiful.

• 2:40:37Speaker 02

  NCIS New York.

• 2:40:38Speaker 05

  Tomorrow, as the release for the show.

• 2:40:40Speaker 02

  And, uh, yeah, so it comes out tomorrow. Yeah, just real quickly, um, Scott Kahn, Jennifer Beals. You know, what a feeling. You know, Jennifer Beals is our boss. Uh, some new kids, um, Jaclyn Byers, Shane, uh, this guy Devon Drewitt. And, uh, we're in New York, and I'm shooting all over New York, and I'm really in New York. So we're shooting in Red Hook, we're shooting in Brooklyn, we're shooting in Queens, we're shooting in Manhattan, we're shooting in the Village, we're shooting all over the city, and New Yorkers like to star the show. And it's, um, you know, it's, it's gonna be a lot of fun, and I think people should check it out and, uh, enjoy it. You know what I'm saying? It's gonna be dope.

• 2:41:16Speaker 03

  All right.

• 2:41:17Speaker 02

  Appreciate you, bro.

• 2:41:18Speaker 03

  Appreciate you too. Thank you.