Neil Young

Neil Young is a legendary singer-songwriter whose career has spanned more than six decades. From Buffalo Springfield and Crazy Horse to a celebrated catalog that includes albums such as Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere and After the Gold Rush, his work has left an enduring mark on generations of musicians and listeners. A two-time Grammy winner, Neil has also been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame twice, both as a solo artist and as a member of Buffalo Springfield. His new album, Second Song, recorded with the Chrome Hearts, brings together newly written material with new recordings of songs he originally wrote more than 60 years ago. Works mentioned: NEW STUDIO ALBUM: Second Songs Casting Me Away From You I’ll Love You Forever (2026) The Foggy Edge of Time Day by Day Earth Girl Second Song Soon I Might Be Going Neil Young Archive Project ------ Thank you to the sponsors that fuel our podcast and our team: AG1 https://DrinkAG1.com/tetra ------ LMNT Electrolytes https://DrinkLMNT.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ Squarespace https://Squarespace.com/tetra Use code 'TETRA' ------ Lectio 365 https://Lectio365.com ------ Sign up to receive Tetragrammaton Transmissions https://www.tetragrammaton.com/join-newsletter

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• 0:25Speaker 00

  Elliot was so great. He was just amazing. He was like a great friend. I met him when I was in Buffalo Springfield. He was with Joni and we wanted him to manage us and he wanted to manage us. But then the group broke up and I told him he had to manage me. So that's how we came together and then he's just been my best friend for all those years. Fantastic. Somebody to talk to all the time about everything.

• 0:57Rick Rubin?

  Did you talk to him every day?

• 0:59Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, yeah. No, I was terrible with him. I always talked to him every day and I'd be yelling and screaming about shit and then, you know.

• 1:08Rick Rubin?

  He was a good listener though. I felt like he was able to digest that information well.

• 1:14Speaker 00

  Absolutely, man. He was so great. I miss him. But I got him here and he's with us.

• 1:20Rick Rubin?

  Yeah. Tell me about the new album. What was the first thing that happened that led to this new album?

• 1:27Speaker 00

  I was just kinda in Colorado in January and February of this year and I just started to feel the muse again towards the full moon. And I started thinking about music and then I started to write things. I wrote a bunch of little notes and titles and things. Then it just started coming really fast and I used to wake up in the morning and write the words to the songs. I had a few melodies in my head. So I just started writing and I just couldn't stop and the words really were coming fast. So I just wrote them all

• 2:07Speaker 00

  down. And then I went right to Shangri-La, your studio in Malibu, on March 1st. And I moved in there and it was March 1st, I think was, March 1st or maybe the 2nd was the full moon. So after writing these during the full moon, I moved right into the studio and it was the full moon and we recorded. I had five songs and we recorded four of them the first day.

• 2:34Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 2:36Speaker 00

  And the second day we recorded the second song and that was it. I was out of songs. So then I started thinking, I told the guys, I said, well, just let me, you know, let me go to sleep and wake up and we'll see what happens and maybe I'll have another song or something and we'll figure out what to do next. So the next day I woke up, sitting around having a cup of coffee, and I just started playing these songs. One song that I had written back in 1964 or 65. It was on the archives somewhere and I remembered it and I started playing it. It was called Casting Me Away From You. And it was a song

• 3:19Speaker 00

  that I remembered rehearsing with the Squires, which was my first band. We had moved to Toronto from Winnipeg and I was rehearsing in the lobby of a theater that my dad had set up for us. So we set up our equipment in the lobby every day because the theater didn't have anything going on in it. So we were in the lobby playing and that's where we played Casting Me Away From You. And then I did, somewhere along that time, I had a friend named Comrie Smith. It was a guy I went to school with. Since I was back in Toronto, I was revisiting my old school friends. So I went to his house and we recorded Casting

• 4:02Speaker 00

  Me Away From You in his attic. And it's in the archives somewhere back in the 60s. So it would be in volume one somewhere.

• 4:10Rick Rubin?

  It's incredible that these songs you wrote so long ago found their way to the new record.

• 6:50Speaker 00

  So I remembered that one and then I remembered this other one that was from 1963. So these are 60-year-old songs. Oh, here's a couple. So, yeah. It was called I'll Love You Forever. And I wrote it about my girlfriend Pam Smith. She was a lovely young lady who I knew in high school. And we went to different schools. And then we got together at this place called Falcon Lake where I was visiting in the summer and sleeping in a tent. That was cool. There's a picture around here somewhere of me and Jack in our tent. Jack Hargreaves, the drummer

• 7:34Speaker 00

  in the Squires. Anyway, I just, I remembered that song and when I first left home and we were playing in a place called Fort William, Ontario, I was playing there in a place called the, I think it was called the Fourth Dimension. I was playing. And oh yeah, we met this disc jockey there. His name was Ray D. So radio, you know. We were so inventive back in the 60s. So yeah, Ray and I and the guys went into the radio station and recorded a song

• 8:15Speaker 00

  called I'll Love You Forever that I wrote for Pam. But by then, of course, she was in the past. I'd already left Winnipeg and I was on my way to Toronto. Hadn't gotten to Toronto yet. So there we were. We recorded that one. And that's in there somewhere back in the archives, way back, 1963 or something.

• 8:36Rick Rubin?

  But the version we're about to hear is from the new record.

• 8:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  As I walk beside the sea

• 8:56Speaker 02

  On the golden sand

• 9:01Speaker 02

  I can feel your love for me

• 9:06Speaker 02

  As I hold your hand

• 9:11Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm so happy

• 9:15Speaker 02

  That I've found your love

• 9:21Speaker 02

  And I will always thank

• 9:26Speaker 02

  The stars up above

• 9:35Speaker 02

  You're just the kind of girl That I wanted you to be

• 9:46Speaker 02

  And I'll thank the heavens above

• 9:51Speaker 02

  For sending you to me

• 9:56Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm so happy I've found your love

• 10:06Speaker 02

  And I will always thank The stars up above

• 10:16Speaker 02

  I'll love you forever

• 10:21Speaker 02

  And I'd like

• 10:26Speaker 02

  The way you comb your hair Your laughing eyes

• 10:41Speaker 02

  The breeze from the tossing sea

• 10:46Speaker 02

  Is reminding me

• 10:51Speaker 02

  That I'll feel the touch of your lips For eternity

• 11:01Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm so happy

• 11:06Speaker 02

  I've found your love And I will always thank The stars up above

• 11:21Speaker 02

  I'll love you forever

• 11:26Speaker 02

  And I'd like

• 11:31Speaker 02

  The way you comb your hair Your laughing eyes

• 11:57Speaker 02

  The breeze from the tossing sea Is reminding me

• 12:06Speaker 02

  That I'll feel the touch of your lips For eternity

• 12:16Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm so happy

• 12:21Speaker 02

  I've found your love And I will always thank The stars up above

• 12:36Speaker 02

  The stars up above

• 12:41Speaker 02

  The stars up above

• 12:46Speaker 02

  Your laughing eyes

• 13:03Speaker 02

  So that's where that one came from. So I had two more songs. And that made, I think, seven songs total. But there are a lot of long songs In the first group, of a group of five new ones, had Three long songs for acoustic, because there was no Big instrumentals or anything, little harmonica or something, you know. Yeah, I had those ones. So there I had the seven songs. I recorded them and And I said, "That's it. You know, we don't need to pretend that we need more." I mean, to listen to this, there's a lot of stuff here.

• 13:35Rick Rubin?

  What's shocking about this, is I listened to the album today. I would have never imagined That two of the songs are from 60 years ago and the others are brand new. They sound like songs that have just always been in the air.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, they're all the same that way. They're all just a bunch of They just hang together. I was always really lucky to have those songs and have them come along. And that's the way, now I have to wait for a while to clear my head completely before I can do anything else. But that won't take long. They're starting, these other songs are starting to come now, so.

• 14:10Rick Rubin?

  Does it happen that way where you're not thinking about writing songs and all of a sudden it just happens?

• 14:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. If I'm thinking about writing songs, then nothing's gonna happen. But if I forget about it, they'll start showing up.

• 14:25Rick Rubin?

  And you said that you started with writing the words. Did you Work them out on the guitar first, or were you just working in your head on lyrics?

• 14:32Speaker 02

  It's hard. I can never figure out which comes first. You know, I was playing a few melodies here, just a couple of things. I'd play a couple of chords and I got, my method now is a little different. I use a cassette player, an old cassette player, and I I turn it on and I play a little bit into that. When I first start writing anything, When I first have a melody, I'll turn on the cassette player And I'll just play it as I kind of find it. And I turn the cassette off and that's it. That's all I ever listen to. So I'm back there where it first showed up When I listen to it. And then it's in my head and then Pretty soon the lyrics just start coming from everywhere, so.

• 15:14Rick Rubin?

  Do you think the reason you came back was because somewhere you knew that they fit with the others?

• 15:21Speaker 02

  Boy, I don't know, man. They just came back.

• 15:25Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  I just, I said to the guys, I said, "Well, I don't have any right now, but maybe I will tomorrow. Maybe they'll show up." I wasn't thinking about old songs. This is the first time I've ever written an album that's got new songs and songs 60 years old That really, these songs had never been heard by anybody. None of them have, so. There's a few people, if you're a real archives junkie, They'll get in there and they'll heard these. And now people that know the archives will be looking for them. And they'll see them, and they'll hear them, and then they'll hear the way we did it with the Chrome Hearts and They're really like the same thing.

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• 18:24Rick Rubin?

  Tell me about the whole archive project.

• 18:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think I started it back in the 90s, somewhere back there. Yeah, I could look it up, but it's easier to just kind of drift around in my head. I just started going like, I've got everything, but it's, you know, it's all over the place. I want to put this thing together and, and make a thing and see this. Those are three boxes. We're making the fourth one now and probably going to be five or six of them. I'm not sure, maybe five. I thought I'd be done at four, so that's why we made it like that. So you could have, you know, Neil Young and it all spelled out and each box had my name, part of my name on it. And then you put the boxes together.

• 19:11Speaker 00

  If you put it on the shelf, you can see my name and that's my stuff.

• 19:15Rick Rubin?

  Is it songs with all of the different bands and everyone you've played with from the beginning till now?

• 19:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:22Rick Rubin?

  It's everything.

• 19:24Speaker 00

  Yep. There's between 10 and 12 discs. At first I was using Blu-ray discs for volume one because I wanted I rez.

• 19:34Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 19:35Speaker 00

  And then Blu-ray disappeared, kind of. Nobody had Blu-ray, so. I went to CDs and what I, it's too bad it's not vinyl. It'd be ridiculous. That'd really be a lot of boxes.

• 19:48Rick Rubin?

  So it's 10 to 12 in each of the three?

• 19:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:52Rick Rubin?

  So it's between 30 and 36 CDs?

• 19:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, and they'll be, you know, it'll be between 46 and 50. And this next one, I'm not sure how this is going to work out.

• 20:04Rick Rubin?

  And it's everything chronological?

• 20:07Speaker 00

  Yes. That's what holds it together. I keep it all chronological, then I have no decisions to make.

• 20:13Rick Rubin?

  One less thing to think about.

• 20:16Speaker 00

  You're not kidding. So it's great. Yeah, I love doing it and it's a lot of fun and I really want to finish the whole thing and so it gets kind of, gives me a mission, you know?

• 20:27Rick Rubin?

  Yeah. I hope that they end up being 10 boxes so that it keeps you busy for a while.

• 20:32Speaker 00

  Me too, that'd be great. I really think so. And there's so much stuff in it that I really love. There's an album in there with Booker T and the MGs. It's got Duck Dunn and Steve Cropper, Booker T and Jimmy Keltner. So I got these great musicians playing with me and I just basically did all the songs that were in my head at the time. And some of them were classics and some of them were new. So that's one of the records that's in there. That's one of the discs. There's some beautiful stuff in there.

• 21:11Rick Rubin?

  When you're working on the archive and you hear something that you recorded 30 or 50 years ago, do you remember everything or do some of them hit you like, where's this from?

• 21:20Speaker 00

  Oh, I usually remember where they come from because they're organized in discs. You know, they're organized in periods of time and albums. So I'm just cruising along through it. But now I've got everything in order in the archives, even if there's no disc or there's no box. It all goes, it goes right up to the last record I put out. And this record, we're just finishing putting it in the archives now. So second song is just going in there.

• 21:47Rick Rubin?

  Do you know what album second song is in your catalog?

• 21:51Speaker 00

  No.

• 21:54Speaker 00

  It's, it's up there.

• 21:56Rick Rubin?

  It's a lot.

• 21:56Speaker 00

  It's, it's quite an album, you know? I like that one, especially today. There's, you know, so much to write about. I mean, look at Bruce has really gotten into the political thing and he's, he's written a lot of great songs and he's really on it. And I'm really involved in all that stuff, but that's the last thing I want to write about.

• 22:17Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 22:18Speaker 00

  I want to go somewhere else. I want to escape from all that. And Bruce covered it great. I mean, I have a lot of things that I write about the situation we're in because it's such an unbelievable situation, how the hell we got here, but we're going to get out of it. We are definitely getting out of this.

• 22:36Rick Rubin?

  Tell me about Out on the Foggy Edge.

• 22:39Speaker 00

  Out on the Foggy Edge is the day I left the ranch. That was about somewhere 13 years ago or something. I'd been living there for many, many years, like 35 or 40 years. And it was a sad time. I was leaving and I just had to get out of there because things had just gone south like they do in some relationships. And we had just a huge disturbance in the flow that we had, but we had great kids and that was nice. So I just decided, hey, I'm either probably going to die here and it's not going to be fun, or I'm going to go somewhere else and we'll see what happens.

• 23:21Speaker 00

  I was almost 70 years old when I left, 68 or something.

• 23:26Rick Rubin?

  It was your home for a long time and it really was your home. It wasn't just a house. It was a very particular place.

• 23:33Speaker 00

  I loved that place and I built it and there was an old cabin there and I built my house on top of the cabin and we just kept going and I built a recording studio. I bought land around there. I built a place for my trains to be, because I love electric trains. I put them there. We had other houses that were part of it and the guys had come and stay in one of the houses called the White House. They'd stay in the White House and we recorded at the ranch and they had a nice analog situation happening there. It was a beautiful thing. I loved it. It was fantastic, but there just came a time, it was time to leave.

• 24:13Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 24:14Speaker 00

  You know how life is. So I, I left. It was very difficult because I built this whole thing, everything there, and then I just left it. That was a trip, but I had to do that to keep moving forward because I was getting stuck and mired in things that I didn't want to spend all my time in.

• 24:37Rick Rubin?

  Did you feel welcome in the new world out of your bubble?

• 24:42Speaker 00

  Well, when I left, I really didn't know where I was going. And I recently met Darryl when I was doing a movie up in Canada about the oil and all of the bad stuff that was happening up there. So it's just the world and oil and, and things are getting upset as far as I could tell. I, I just wanted to write about that and, and I, and I went up there and it's funny because I'd reached out to Darryl a long time before that because she was the only other person I knew that was into biodiesel. So she had biodiesel Trans Am that she had converted that was running on alcohol and

• 25:26Speaker 00

  biodiesel and all, some kind of combination of fuel. I mean, she was really a genius trying to make clean car, a cool car. And, and I was really into that. At the same time, I was trying to make my old Lincoln into an electric car so that I could use it. And I used a biofuel generator in the Lincoln. So I called her and we talked a little bit and then, you know, years went by. And then when I was doing this film and I was traveling around in the Lincoln, I was going to, just telling the story of what it's like to try to make an old electric car with a generator that runs on bio. And so I called her and we talked a little and she met us out there somewhere in Colorado

• 26:12Speaker 00

  and we tripped up to Canada and went up there. And she's just really cool and, and we were really good friends, but we didn't know each other that well, but we, we know each other pretty well. It was not like a romantic thing, but we just had such a good time and we had so much in common. So we were just thinking about the same things and talking about them and, and all of that. So, so when I left the ranch, I called her and I said, listen, I'm, I'm leaving my home where I used to be and I'm coming down to LA where I used to be before that. And do you know anywhere or is there someone could just put me up for, just, you know,

• 26:57Speaker 00

  in a subtle way for a couple of weeks till I get my stuff together, you know? She said, yeah, yeah, I know a funky old place that you, that you could stay and it's, it's pretty funky. It's not like a big deal. So I went down there and I drove down there that day and, and got there and, and found her place, which is this funky place that she just described. It was a beautiful place. And then I just stayed. I never left.

• 27:29Rick Rubin?

  Amazing.

• 27:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. And then we, we got to know each other and fell in love and eventually got married and,

• 27:38Speaker 00

  you know, that's, that's life. It's a trip. You never know what's going to happen.

• 27:42Rick Rubin?

  The second song on the album is called Day by Day and it sounds like a very personal love song. You say in the song, you're scared about what you're talking about in this song. It's in the lyrics, almost like it's too personal to talk about. I'm guessing if it's a new song, maybe it's about Darryl.

• 28:01Speaker 00

  Yeah. Day after day, after day.

• 28:49Speaker 02

  There's nothing worth waiting on, so we should go.

• 28:58Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 29:16Speaker 02

  All through the restless night, I thought of this.

• 29:24Speaker 02

  Why we were not so good, and now I know.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  There's something I wanna say, and say it slow.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  I'm a little scared of it, so here it goes.

• 29:51Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 29:59Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  The morning is sunny now, with lots of snow.

• 30:17Speaker 02

  It's beautiful, the way we love to see it so.

• 30:25Speaker 02

  I take my time to tell you what I have to say.

• 30:35Speaker 02

  The feelings that I have for you will stay and stay.

• 30:43Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 30:52Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  The love I feel in my heart is here today.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  Strong just the way I felt for you yesterday.

• 31:18Speaker 02

  There's something in my heart that shows, it will always love you so.

• 31:27Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 31:44Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 31:53Speaker 02

  So let's take a turn together and let it go.

• 32:02Speaker 02

  We're still the ones we used to be, and so it shows.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  The way I feel, so fade it up and let it come free.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 32:29Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  I hope you're alright, alright today.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  And everything is easy and going well.

• 32:55Speaker 02

  There was a struggle going on yesterday.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  Let's try to get a grip now and let it go.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  Now the sun is out, and the snow's melting on the roof.

• 33:40Speaker 02

  I hear the water drops falling, so the day's here.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  You'll be coming down the stairs, and I'll make a special cup for you.

• 33:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, the sun is out, the snow's melting on the roof.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 34:15Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 34:33Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 34:43Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 34:51Speaker 02

  Day after day after day.

• 35:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a lot of words in that song. We're gonna make a video of that next, I think.

• 35:12Rick Rubin?

  Nice.

• 35:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, she's, she's throughout it. She's all over it.

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• 36:55Rick Rubin?

  Then the next one is Earth Girl, which is another love song, and really beautiful. And that has like a 1920's flavor.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  When the love comes through your eyes, Like sun from the summer skies. The space between your deepest thoughts, Like stars in the night, big stars in the night. Winter winds blowing through your hair. In your eyes, I don't see a care. You are the light of my life. Like a river that flows right through my heart.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  Earth Girl. Earth Girl.

• 38:18Speaker 02

  You sure were hard to find, all around me all the time. Smiling in the windy rain with so much to share, so much to share. You're the beauty that lingers outside my eyes. When you smile, when you smile, when you smile.

• 38:55Speaker 02

  Earth girl, earth girl. You are the light of my life, like a river that flows right through my heart. You were hard to find, all around me all the time. You're the beauty that lingers outside my heart.

• 39:39Speaker 02

  When you smile, my eyes when you smile. When the tears flow through your eyes, like rain from the river skies. You are the light of my life. Like a river that flows right through my heart. Earth girl, earth girl, earth girl.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  You are the light of my life, like a river that flows right through my heart.

• 40:30Speaker 00

  It's weird, isn't it?

• 40:31Rick Rubin?

  Yeah. Did you ever listen to music like that, like 1920s or show tunes?

• 40:35Speaker 00

  I listen to all music. This came to me in a way. I just kept hearing this melody and I could hear the melody and I could play it. And then it was like two melodies at once. And I'm going, well, wait, one of them's got slow words and the other one's got a lot of words and a lot of changes, but they happen on the same chords. So I put the two together. So you can almost hear two songs at once in there. That's what might be one of the most complex songs that I've ever written. I don't know how I did that, but there it is. I love that one.

• 41:08Rick Rubin?

  It's a beauty.

• 41:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, I really do love that song.

• 41:12Rick Rubin?

  And then was second song, the second song you wrote of this group of songs?

• 41:18Speaker 00

  No, I don't know what it was. I don't know why I called it the second song. I think it's because it might've been the second song I wrote of this group. The first one was Foggy Edge of Time. Cause I remember playing the piano and hearing these just two changes going back and forth. And then the melody came and then the words came and everything happened. And that was good.

• 41:45Speaker 02

  Out on the foggy edge of time. I was flying low into my prime. I was looking back, not looking good.

• 42:22Speaker 02

  When I left my old neighborhood behind. I thought about the early days. When I was young and found that place.

• 42:51Speaker 02

  Three beautiful children, born and raised, but there were bumps along the way. Alcohol, alcohol. Alcohol. Alcohol, alcohol. Alcohol, alcohol.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  I was heading south to my destiny. As I closed the gate, I threw the key. Though the future was unsure. I'd already made up my mind.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  That's the day I started to live the way I wanted to. Just to give my life a chance. I know now that I had to go. Leave everything I loved behind.

• 44:58Speaker 02

  Out on the foggy edge of time. Out on the foggy edge of time. Out on the foggy edge of time.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  Out on the foggy edge of time.

• 45:46Speaker 00

  I love that song Foggy Edge, but second song is like, it's like in my life, this is my second song.

• 46:11Speaker 02

  Out on the edge of darkness, the children waited for sunrise. Something they could be leaving, something to see with their own eyes.

• 46:43Speaker 02

  Their moms and dads remember, cause they had seen a different time. A time of sunny mornings, walking to school and saving dimes.

• 47:20Speaker 02

  And yet the leaves are falling, gathered in piles to burn outside. Somehow the smoke is calm, somehow the embers will decide.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  That's not the way of being, it's not the way of being now. Too much has changed around us, but we can bring it back somehow.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  I need to talk to someone. Someone who smiles and answers back.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  Someone as old as I am. Who still remembers some of that.

• 49:18Speaker 02

  I dream a way of living. A way of sharing what we find.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  A way of walking slow. Through the smoky leaves of time.

• 49:56Speaker 02

  Across town at the Incuday. Eggs were hatching everywhere.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Those birds would soon be flying. They knew that's when they'd feel the air.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  We all remember them. Cause we're the ones who didn't care.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  Now when we think of them. We hear their songs sung everywhere.

• 51:06Speaker 02

  The world needs all her somber. She needs her music in the sky.

• 51:22Speaker 02

  Guiding souls both in and out. Showing weakness how to fly.

• 51:38Speaker 02

  Not like that TV show. Not like the words on Channel 5.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  Something that makes you smile. Something that makes you fly.

• 52:32Speaker 02

  Make it up on another day. Baby, I don't care. Make it up on another day. Baby, I don't care.

• 53:05Speaker 02

  Make it up on another day. Baby, I don't care.

• 53:14Speaker 02

  Make it up on another day. Baby, I don't care.

• 53:25Rick Rubin?

  Definitely yearning for a simpler life.

• 53:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. It's funny, you know, Rick, when I, when I think of these songs and I try to think of them. I have a feeling, but I can't specifically remember the songs.

• 53:39Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 53:41Speaker 00

  It's just a big feeling and it was cool to have that. And in a way it sounded like something I wrote in 1970 or something, you know? When I bought Broken Arrow Ranch in 1970 and arrived there in September. And I drove there with my friends, Bruce Berry and Guillermo Chiquetti, two of the roadies that worked with me and Johnny Barbetta, I think too. And I drove up there from the Chateau Marmont where I was staying in LA in this old Jeepster. And the Jeepster is, that's the car that we're in when we're driving down that road in second song. It's the same.

• 54:24Speaker 00

  And then the next video is "Casting Me Away."

• 54:27Rick Rubin?

  Uh huh.

• 54:27Speaker 00

  And it's the Jeepster again, but it was 20 years earlier than the first song. It was 1972 or something, or 71. And I was cruising along in, in the Jeepster and we're listening to this song, "Casting Me." And Carrie rides by on a horse. Carrie Snodgrass, Zeke's mom. And she rides by on a horse and she's galloping along in front of me on the road. It's a fantastic video. It's just, they're all really personal. It has nothing to do with, we're not trying to be cool or anything. It's just what it is. But it was fun. It's, we've had a great time doing these videos.

• 55:10Speaker 00

  Cause I got people's videos from years ago that I'm using, but the songs are new. It's crazy.

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• 56:50Rick Rubin?

  The next song after that is "Soon I Might Be Going." Tell me about that one.

• 56:54Speaker 00

  Oh yeah. When I first played that for Daryl, she, she cried. So I didn't want to play it for her anymore because I didn't like to hear, didn't like to see that. It's a song about change.

• 57:33Speaker 02

  Soon I might be gone, so I wanted you to know.

• 57:42Speaker 02

  It was Christmas in the Rockies, just like summer with no snow.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  Crimson pirate was showing at the movies, a new one you should see.

• 58:00Speaker 02

  Water shot like diamonds and the ships kept rolling on the sea.

• 58:09Speaker 02

  The answer to our questions is lingering in the mist.

• 58:18Speaker 02

  And the revolutions come like a fighter with a fist.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  Soon I might be gone, so I wanted you to know.

• 58:53Speaker 02

  Sun's sure hot today in Canada, wherever people go.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  They're looking at the sky like they're waiting for a change.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  The clouds that used to pour the rain are billowy and strange.

• 59:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the way I see it, and I wanted just to say.

• 59:29Speaker 02

  People like you and me are feeling different every day.

• 59:56Speaker 02

  President was on TV, says everything is golden.

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  He's tearing down the old White House, those days were never old. The bears are trying to hibernate, but can't find where to go.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  'Cause everything's different now, just like a TV show.

• 1:00:31Speaker 02

  We have to take it as it comes, as some are like to say.

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  But you know, and it seems to me, that's not what's right today.

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  I miss you like tomorrow, and I see you like today. I wanted to say something before I go away.

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  I went to town the other day and saw what it's become.

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  The houses are all going down, with hotels all around.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  People are driving their new cars, and the kids are leaving town.

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  Shop is everywhere, and the club is shutting down.

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  Soon I might be gone, and I wanted just to say.

• 1:02:27Speaker 02

  If I'm not here to see it, doesn't mean it's gone away.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  I'll try to make it simple, but I tell you, it's not.

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  'Cause here and there and everywhere, the truth is getting caught. And disguised like a celebration, waiting for a song. But no one knows the melody, and it feels like it was strong. When we all sang together, and the children sang along.

• 1:03:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, so soon I will be gone, but I wanted just to stay around.

• 1:03:45Speaker 02

  See what I can do, to sing a happy song today. With you, and you, and everyone who feels the melody.

• 1:04:03Speaker 02

  Echoing in the hallways, and soon to be a dream.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  Come back to me, my lovely girl, your memory is mine.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  I'm walking down the old street where we once had the time.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  I gotta tell you what I see, 'cause I might be alone. The sky is turning to yesterday. The old church bells toll, soon I might be going. And I wanted to say hello.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  There's a mystery around us, and the answer no one knows.

• 1:05:36Speaker 02

  It's like summer in the Rockies, but it's almost Christmas day.

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  Summer in the Rockies, almost Christmas day.

• 1:05:54Speaker 02

  Summer in the Rockies.

• 1:06:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's a, it's a pretty sad song, but it's, but it also has some, all of these songs, even though there's some sad moments in them, they have, there's a lot of them that have uplifting parts. Inside it, there's a good positive energy. It's moving forward, you know? That's what I like about it.

• 1:06:36Rick Rubin?

  And I'll say that even if you look at your songs from your twenties, there's a lot of sad songs. It's not like sad songs are a new thing for you.

• 1:06:44Speaker 00

  Oh, no, they're all over the place.

• 1:06:45Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:46Speaker 00

  But these ones have got a certain positive vibe to them. But even though they're like songs from the seventies or eighties or whatever, in a lot of ways, it's this kind of songs that people apparently really remember me for. Cause what people are writing, it's like it's freaking me out to see what they're, while they're reacting. It's great. It's nice to feel what I've touched a lot of people. So you can't make a plan for all of that stuff. It just happens.

• 1:07:15Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:16Speaker 00

  Well, I was thankful to be here and still doing it.

• 1:07:20Rick Rubin?

  Tell me about Roy Orbison.

• 1:07:23Speaker 00

  Well, Roy, he was amazing. It was one of my favorites. Back in the beginning, I used to go with, to this record department in a hardware store in Toronto. I used to go there and they had forty fives and I'd go through it. And that's when I first heard Roy. I'd heard something he did, Only the Lonely or something like that. He was amazing. So I checked out all his forty fives. Fantastic.

• 1:07:51Rick Rubin?

  Yeah. Tell me about the scene in Winnipeg when you were coming up, when you were first playing with the Squires.

• 1:07:58Speaker 00

  Well, I was in high school. We started playing at high school dances and stuff, you know? There's some pictures in the archives of the band back there. I have an ascot and a, you know, dress and it's three of us. Yeah. So we played high schools and community clubs and gigs like that for a couple of years. And just the first time we got paid, we got 20 bucks for the whole band and for everything. And that was great. We felt, oh, they're paying us to do this. I mean, hell, this is fantastic. And then we just kept on doing it.

• 1:08:33Rick Rubin?

  When you went to school, were all the kids in bands or was it kind of an unusual thing at the time?

• 1:08:38Speaker 00

  Well, it was kind of unusual, but there were a lot of bands in Winnipeg. Winnipeg's a very musical place. My friend Randy Backman, he had a great band that he was in with a guy called Alan Cobal, called Alan and the Silvertones. And it later became The Guess Who, with Burton Cummings joining the group. Burton Cummings used to be in a group called The Deverons before The Guess Who. And oh my God, there were just so many bands. It was amazing. You know, our band was, we weren't a big band in town. I mean, we were maybe the 10th band or something. The Silvertones were probably the number one band. And The Deverons were

• 1:09:21Speaker 00

  maybe three or four, rotated around, following each other everywhere. I played on the back of some trucks and parking lots and stuff like that. Yeah, that was fun. We had a good time.

• 1:09:34Rick Rubin?

  It sounds great.

• 1:09:37Rick Rubin?

  It does.

• 1:09:38Speaker 00

  He's a very lucky man.

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• 1:11:58Rick Rubin?

  Who would you say your favorite guitar players have been over the course of your life? If you think back from different eras?

• 1:12:05Speaker 00

  Hank Marvin. He was from The Shadows, lead guitar player in The Shadows. Jimmy Reed.

• 1:12:11Rick Rubin?

  Yep.

• 1:12:12Speaker 00

  My all time favorite guitar players and harmonica players. Jimmy was a big influence on me. I had a Seabreeze record player, my mom's record player, and I had Jimmy Reed records. And I'd come home for lunch from school and put on Jimmy Reed and listen to Jimmy Reed while I was eating lunch through the whole lunch period and then go back to school. So where I really learned was Jimmy Reed. I didn't learn anything at school.

• 1:12:39Rick Rubin?

  Yeah. Worked out.

• 1:12:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, it worked out okay. Yeah. What a great musician, Jimmy Reed. Oh my God. And I loved Randy. Randy is a great guitar player. I loved the way he played. And I actually, I copied him or was influenced by him a lot. I even got a guitar like his, an orange Gretsch that I used in the Springfield. And I had one in the Squires and I sold it and then I got it back recently. So that was a trip.

• 1:13:12Rick Rubin?

  How'd you get it back?

• 1:13:14Speaker 00

  Well, this, this guy online said that he could find it. He said, just you have, if you have pictures of it, I'll be able to find it. Cause it's a Gretsch and it's made out of wood. And the wood, you can see, you can see the, the grain and the wood. There's no duplication there. They're all different.

• 1:13:33Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:34Speaker 00

  On the picture of one, that was in exactly mine.

• 1:13:36Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:13:38Speaker 00

  And I got it. And, you know, I bought it.

• 1:13:41Rick Rubin?

  And when you play it, does it feel like your guitar?

• 1:13:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, it feels pretty cool.

• 1:13:46Rick Rubin?

  It's great.

• 1:13:47Speaker 00

  It's wild. I haven't used it much. I, I love Old Black so much. I just keep playing Old Black. But the orange Gretsch is there. I got this White Falcon that I really like and a couple of guitars. But this weird thing happened, just thinking this is off the track.

• 1:14:04Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:05Speaker 00

  I was listening to a prototype for Neil Young Radio that's going to be on my website that plays music from my whole life from the archives, everything I have, all the time. And it plays it like a real radio station. Whoever's listening to the radio station, that's what they hear. Everybody hears the same thing.

• 1:14:28Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:29Speaker 00

  But it keeps randomly selecting songs from sixty or seventy years, you know? And it keeps changing. So the first time I listened to it, I got a link to listen to what it was going to sound like, how it was going to work. And I was listening away and right away I hear this thing. I've never heard it before. I'm going, where did this come from? And it's a song Change Your Mind that I put out in the nineties, I guess. But I'm playing it on Old Black, which I didn't do on the record. And it sounds like an earlier recording of it. And I'm listening to this and I'm going, wow, this is a trip. The instrumental is like eight minutes.

• 1:15:12Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:15:13Speaker 00

  And then the first verse happens and then it ended. And I went, wait a minute, that was the last verse. So this recording started halfway through the version we were doing, or something happened. I don't know. And we haven't been able to find the recording. You only heard it because it was selected randomly from everything I did.

• 1:15:34Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:15:34Speaker 00

  And we are looking and looking and looking, trying to find this recording. It's the coolest recording of that song I've ever heard. It wasn't complete, but it was great. And anyway, that was a real, that's kind of a distraction I've been dealing with for the last four days.

• 1:15:51Rick Rubin?

  No, that sounds great, though. And I love that you can have that experience, even with your own songs, to hear a version that's not familiar and be surprised by it and love it.

• 1:16:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. I kind of remember it when I hear it.

• 1:16:04Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:04Speaker 00

  I go, yeah, it's not like the record, but it is. It sounds like it's done in the studio because I can hear Ralph and Billy singing. And it's everybody singing and playing live like Crazy Horse does. But it's a studio, there's no audience. Either that or it sounds great for an audience, no, no audience, live recording. My guess is it was a studio recording, so we're looking for it. We've been looking all over the place. I can't find it anywhere. But it's from 1993, I think. Probably one of the first versions, probably not done where I did the record of Change Your Mind, which is at the complex in LA.

• 1:16:48Speaker 00

  Sleeps with Angels, I think, was the album, the last album that I did with Briggs before he passed. And anyway, what a trip. I'm not find that thing. I'm looking for it.

• 1:17:00Rick Rubin?

  How often would you record songs in the studio and then they wouldn't come out? And then maybe later you would come back to them or try it again?

• 1:17:09Speaker 00

  Not that often, but occasionally. I think this was one of the first times I played it and I was just jamming, having a good time on changes. Then I did a verse and then it was over. Wait, that's the last verse. Wait a minute, where did this song start from? And then, right away, when I went back to listen to it, the radio had changed to a new random bunch of songs, chosen from everything that I have. So we haven't been able to find it, even though the computer found it.

• 1:17:41Rick Rubin?

  Something about hearing music randomly, there's a really cool thing about it. It's different than deciding what you're going to hear and putting it on because you really can get surprised.

• 1:17:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, it's amazing.

• 1:17:54Rick Rubin?

  I love it.

• 1:17:55Speaker 00

  You're very lucky, you've been able to do this for so long.

• 1:17:57Rick Rubin?

  Yeah. Tell me the first time you played with Stills.

• 1:18:01Speaker 00

  Stills, I played with Stills in Fort William, Ontario in 1963. About the same time I recorded I'll Love You Forever. Stills was playing in the club, The Fourth Dimension, where we played on Saturday afternoons. And he was the headlining band from New York called The Company. They played at night and so I met him and we got to know each other and we hung out. And that's when it started.

• 1:18:29Rick Rubin?

  How would you describe the similarities and differences in the way you guys play?

• 1:18:36Speaker 00

  Well, Stephen is actually a better player. He's got a lot of chops. He's got a lot of things he can do. I'm kind of sloppy, but I have a feeling. But we love each other and when we play together, it just goes, wow. That's really good. So even when we started at Springfield, we discovered that. And people at the Whiskey of Go-Go, when they heard the Springfield for the first time, they heard it. And people started showing up to listen to the Springfield. Because we do these jams and stuff and we get crazy and it was, it was fun.

• 1:19:15Rick Rubin?

  Do you feel like you make each other better when you play together?

• 1:19:19Speaker 00

  I think we make each other, a light comes over us.

• 1:19:23Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:24Speaker 00

  I don't know if we're better or worse, but something happens.

• 1:19:27Rick Rubin?

  Beautiful. When the Springfield was playing in clubs in LA, who would have been playing those same nights?

• 1:19:34Speaker 00

  You know, Van Morrison, Three Dog Night.

• 1:19:39Rick Rubin?

  How would you say living in Northern California and living in Southern California are different?

• 1:19:45Speaker 00

  Well, Northern California, I was a recluse. Southern California, I was all over the place. And I ended up living in Malibu on Broad Beach Road in Southern California. And that's where I first saw Shangri-La when the band was still there. And I went up there and hung out with the guys in the band and Bob was there and we were hanging out. You know, I've always loved Bob, a great writer, such a great writer. He's like, in my impression, he's the greatest writer of our times. That's the way I look at him. But we, you know, we were just out there hanging out.

• 1:20:28Speaker 00

  I was trying to be cool and, you know, these guys are all great and just hanging out, you know.

• 1:20:34Rick Rubin?

  How long did you live in that house on Broad Beach?

• 1:20:37Speaker 00

  Maybe a year. And then I moved to another house, a great house on Sea Level Drive, which is off of Broad Beach, right on the ocean. And the other house was on the ocean, too. What a great place. And anyway, the second place I lived, F. Scott Fitzgerald, used to live in it.

• 1:20:54Rick Rubin?

  Wow.

• 1:20:54Speaker 00

  And then when I found it, Catherine Ross was living in it. And that's when I bought it and she was renting it and I bought the house. So I moved in there on Sea Level Drive and lived there for a few years. Got married there to Peggy outside the house in the grounds. And it was right, it's such a beautiful house. It was an old Cape Cod cottage, covered with bougainvillea plants and beautiful flowers everywhere. Fantastic. And I just, I just loved it so much, Rick, that was so great. And then, remember the Mandeville Fire? It burned it to the ground. So my house was gone.

• 1:21:36Speaker 00

  And there weren't that many other houses in that area that burned, but that one burned. Oh, that blew my mind.

• 1:21:42Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:43Speaker 00

  I was playing at the Forum the night that it burned.

• 1:21:47Rick Rubin?

  Really?

• 1:21:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:48Rick Rubin?

  So did you leave the house to go to the Forum show?

• 1:21:52Speaker 00

  I never went to the house. I went in my bus right to the, from my last gig to that gig to another gig. But I heard, oh my God, when I came off the stage, they said, well, the fire, I think, might have burned your house down. So I didn't go there right away. But when I went, in a few days after that, it was just, whoa. What a mess. Everything was gone. Terrible. Wonderful house.

• 1:22:19Rick Rubin?

  It's a trip.

• 1:22:21Speaker 00

  Yeah. Really, really, really something else.

• 1:22:26Rick Rubin?

  I read somewhere in the past that you said, Everybody Knows This Is Nowhere was your best album. Do you still feel like that about that album?

• 1:22:36Speaker 00

  You know, I really like it. It's a great album. And what I like about it is it's the first real Crazy Horse album.

• 1:22:42Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:43Speaker 00

  And, you know, it showed a lot of stuff. We were all so young and Danny Whitten was playing with us before he passed. So, yeah, that was a great album. It was a one of a kind because it was Crazy Horse with Danny. And after that was Heroin. And Danny was not the same. And then away he went.

• 1:23:06Rick Rubin?

  It's also different than all the other Crazy Horse albums in that it's more of a studio album. It seems like since then, it's been more, this is what we sound like live, recorded.

• 1:23:17Speaker 00

  Yeah. Even though that's the way we played that first album, too. But I didn't sing everything live.

• 1:23:23Rick Rubin?

  I see.

• 1:23:24Speaker 00

  We started singing live after that. So we just played live and I would be singing, but we weren't recording that.

• 1:23:31Rick Rubin?

  Tell me about the story of After the Gold Rush. How did that project come to be?

• 1:23:37Speaker 00

  That was at my new house that I bought. When I first moved to Topanga and I was there and I met my wife. I met Susan. She had a restaurant called The Canyon Kitchen. And then we fell in love and, and I had this house I just bought. And she moved up and stayed in the house with me there. That was a fantastic house. And then I built a little studio in it. And Briggs and I made After the Gold Rush there. And we started recording and we had, uh, Nils was there. Danny was there for parts of it. He was struggling with his heroin, but he came in and out.

• 1:24:19Speaker 00

  We had Nils Lofgren playing piano and it was cool. Billy and Ralph and Danny and Nils and I, and a lot of fun. That record just happened pretty fast.

• 1:24:31Rick Rubin?

  It's a good one.

• 1:24:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's up there with those other ones.

• 1:24:35Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:36Speaker 00

  They all happened in their own way. I mean, this second song is a lot like it. It's, it's a similar kind of a thing, you know?

• 1:24:45Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:46Speaker 00

  After the Gold Rush is, is after the Gold Rush because there's no other one. It is that one. And there's a lot of variety in that record. Goes from one thing to another quite a bit. But second song is kind of like that, too. I don't know. It's hard to say, hard to compare them. Those two are like 60 years apart or something.

• 1:25:05Rick Rubin?

  How did you know to ask Nils to play piano? Because he's known as a guitar player.

• 1:25:12Speaker 00

  Well, I met Nils in Washington DC at a place called The Cellar Door. We were playing there, me and Crazy Horse. It was Danny and Ralph and Billy and I playing The Cellar Door. And Nils came and visited. He hung out with us and he was there just grooving, you know, on the music. He was there all the time. And I knew he was a good guitar player. And so when I, during around that time, everybody knows this is nowhere before After the Gold Rush. He said he was going to come out to LA. I mean, we conversed somehow. And I said, oh, come on out, come and see us. We can figure out something, maybe we can do something.

• 1:25:55Speaker 00

  Came all the way out to the house from, from the airport. I don't know how he got to the house, but he got there and I was in Topanga. Nils shows up and we're playing. It was great. And Danny was sometimes there and sometimes not, but Nils, Nils played piano on that whole album. That's what he did.

• 1:26:16Rick Rubin?

  I don't think he had ever played piano on anything before that.

• 1:26:20Speaker 00

  Well, he, he might have played, you know, he had played accordion.

• 1:26:23Rick Rubin?

  Okay. Close enough.

• 1:26:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, close enough keyboards. I liked it just the way he played. Didn't matter what instrument he played.

• 1:26:32Rick Rubin?

  That's interesting idea that the person who plays is less about the instrument and more how the player hears music.

• 1:26:39Speaker 00

  Nils is wide open. Nils is a great musician. Bruce is lucky to have Nils in his band. Bruce's band is so huge. It's like people disappear in it.

• 1:26:54Speaker 00

  It's great though. I love Bruce.

• 1:26:57Rick Rubin?

  Yeah, I love the way that in the studio, watching you play a song on the piano and then move to the pump organ or maybe the guitar. It really is like you're looking for the voice of the song. Like you know, the song in your head, but the instrument could be anything really.

• 1:27:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. There was one song on one of those albums, I can't remember what it was, but I did it on the piano. And I played it in your studio.

• 1:27:25Rick Rubin?

  I think it's the first song out on the foggy edge. It sounded like you were playing piano.

• 1:27:29Speaker 00

  Yep. Yeah, that was, that was me. Yeah, that was fun. I should have played vibes on it too, but I, I didn't put them on. And now when I hear the song, I go, wow, I could have just a couple of notes here. That would have been nice, but nope.

• 1:27:45Rick Rubin?

  How is the energy different when you're playing something live in the studio versus live in front of an audience?

• 1:27:53Speaker 00

  Usually in the studio, it's one of the first times I've been playing it. I haven't played it live in front of people yet. I don't like to play things live in front of people that I haven't recorded. I like to play them first in the studio. That's the way to get them. I like to record and play. It's all one thing to me.

• 1:28:13Rick Rubin?

  Do you feel like the first version you get in the studio? Do you think that is the definitive version of the song?

• 1:28:21Speaker 00

  Mostly, maybe 85, 90% of the time.

• 1:28:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. The song I was thinking about that I played on the piano at Shangri-La was Lover Earth.

• 1:28:31Rick Rubin?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:28:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:34Speaker 00

  And I was playing the piano on it.

• 1:28:36Rick Rubin?

  I love that song.

• 1:28:38Speaker 00

  Oh, you too. Thanks. It's got a good vibe.

• 1:28:42Rick Rubin?

  When did you first fall in love with model trains?

• 1:28:45Speaker 00

  Well, my dad got me a model train set in 1952 or something. A Marx set it up in my bedroom. Built a little table. And I've been into them pretty much since then. On and off, some places I didn't have trains. But once I got back into it, it was great. I mean, I got stuff. Oh, there's probably something here on my desk. There's a little Rolls Royce. I picked these up when I'd go places, I just get them. It's in a Ford station wagon, Town and Country, I think. And this one is a, this is a pencil sharpener. See this?

• 1:29:29Rick Rubin?

  Cool.

• 1:29:31Speaker 00

  So I get these, wherever I go, I get these things.

• 1:29:34Rick Rubin?

  Do you have a favorite car?

• 1:29:37Speaker 00

  Uh, well, I got a couple. I got a 47 or 48 Buick Roadmaster. That's a sedanette. It's the fastback kind. I've got Link Bolt, you know, 59 Lincoln Continental convertible.

• 1:29:51Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:52Speaker 00

  Which is now electric. I love that one. And I love taking Ben Young for rides in it and Zeke and we all go for rides in Link Bolt. That's a good trip.

• 1:30:02Rick Rubin?

  Did one of your cars explode?

• 1:30:05Speaker 00

  Uh, maybe.

• 1:30:08Speaker 00

  I don't remember it exploding.

• 1:30:10Rick Rubin?

  Oh, I thought one of your modified cars might have exploded.

• 1:30:13Speaker 00

  Well, it might have, but I, I don't think so.

• 1:30:16Rick Rubin?

  Okay, good.

• 1:30:17Speaker 00

  Oh no, that was Link Bolt.

• 1:30:18Rick Rubin?

  It exploded?

• 1:30:19Speaker 00

  One of the guys I was working with, he was charging it and he left it charging. And we hadn't developed the charging system very well. So he left it charging and went home and, and it caught on fire and the whole thing exploded and the whole house, the whole warehouse it was in full of recordings and everything burned. But no, we saved a lot of it.

• 1:30:45Rick Rubin?

  I heard you say once, my whole career is based on systematic destruction.

• 1:30:54Speaker 00

  Could have been. I, I, I'm not sure.

• 1:30:57Rick Rubin?

  Does it sound right?

• 1:31:00Speaker 00

  Kind of, but I, I don't know. I might've said that. I mean, I'll say anything, you know? Depends on how I feel at the time.

• 1:31:07Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:07Speaker 00

  You have to be, it's all part of the moment, you know?

• 1:31:10Rick Rubin?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:13Rick Rubin?

  How would you say your relationship to music has changed over the course of your life?

• 1:31:18Speaker 00

  Well, it still drives me. I love music. It's always been there and it comes and goes. Usually I, I'm just figuring out that I can't do two albums that are the same because I want to shed the last one before I can start the next one. That's just a natural thing. I have to get all of that out of my head. There may have still been some in my head when I finished the album and I go, well, there's other songs I could have done and stuff. But it doesn't matter. I just kept going and, and I just wait for everything to clear. And then when it clears, things start happening and that's the new direction that I'm going in. And, you know, so there's no thinking.

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