Fraud Friday: The Scheming Superintendent w/ Tracy Clayton

Tracy Clayton joins the Con-gregation to talk about Frank Tassone—the superintendent with a 4.0 average in fraud! Frank stole $11.2 million from a Long Island school district and was later portrayed by Hugh Jackman in the HBO movie Bad Education. Plus, we cover a good old-fashioned pyramid scheme from Tracy and Laci’s favorite white woman: Tyra Banks! Stay schemin'! (Originally Released 06/01/2020) Laci’s book is out now! Order “Scam Goddess: Lessons from a Life of Cons, Grifts and Schemes" here: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/laci-mosley/scam-goddess/9780762484652/?lens=running-press Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Tracy Clayton: @brokeymcpoverty Research by Sharilyn Vera SOURCES: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/bad-education-hbo-true-story-scandal-fact-check-992263/ https://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/arts-and-culture/a32291684/bad-education-hbo-true-story-frank-tassone-pamela-gluckin/ https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a32268352/bad-education-hbo-true-story-frank-tassone-now/ https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/09/hugh-jackman-movie-bad-education-scandal https://www.thecut.com/2016/06/tyra-banks-beautytainer.html

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• 1:54Speaker 00

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• 2:01Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:43Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? Welcome back to another installment of Scam Goddess. And yes, we are doing these remote episodes, Hanny. I just took a ginger sip from my water, very far away from my computer, as I had to buy a new one because I was scammed out of a computer by water. This is Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, and I'm super excited. I always say this for our next guest, and I am still excited, guys. Something has to stay normal. You've heard her on the Strong Black Lead Podcast, which she hosts by Netflix, and you've seen her all over Twitter as Brokey Big Poverty, one of my favorite Twitter accounts to follow. I have Ms. Tracy Claye!

• 3:22Laci Mosley?

  How are you?

• 3:24Speaker 04

  Stupid excited to be here. My dream is only to talk about true crime in any form or fashion, and I think this is only the second time I've been able to do it, like, where it's welcome and expected. Usually I'm at, like, parties, like, "So, who do you think killed JonBenet?" And so this, you know, is a more appropriate situation to discuss. Also, I love a scam!

• 3:45Laci Mosley?

  Yes, also, what a throwback. You at the party, like, over the coup de grace, like, "Yeah, so, I really still think it was the brother." "Man, this happened in 91."

• 3:57Speaker 04

  They still be making shows and stuff about it. Also, I do think it was the brother, I just wanna say.

• 4:01Laci Mosley?

  Oh, really? You do think it was the brother?

• 4:04Speaker 04

  I can't shake the thought, yeah, because I mean, nothing else makes sense, you know?

• 4:09Laci Mosley?

  Right, cuz why would they cover it up? Cuz JonBenet was about to be their cash cow. She was gonna get him all the coins.

• 4:15Speaker 04

  Exactly, exactly.

• 4:17Laci Mosley?

  They wouldn't kill her. She was a bad bitch you could never kill. I guess I shouldn't, I guess I shouldn't call a five year old a bad bitch you could never kill, but she was really bad. Oh, anyways.

• 4:29Speaker 04

  Oh, Lord.

• 4:30Laci Mosley?

  I like to get canceled at the beginning of the episode. That's what I like to get canceled.

• 4:35Speaker 04

  You know, gotta keep you on your toes.

• 4:37Laci Mosley?

  Right. Um, yes, so good. Okay, so your relationship with scams, you would say like you like, you like scammers, you like scam stories. Have you ever been scammed? Have you ever been involved in anything?

• 4:49Speaker 04

  Oh, absolutely. I feel like I get scammed every time I walk out my door. I live in Brooklyn, so I mean, it's pretty much what happens.

• 4:56Laci Mosley?

  Big facts, big facts. New York, you have to keep your head on a swivel at all times. I used to live there and it got

• 5:02Speaker 04

  Constantly.

• 5:03Laci Mosley?

  It got too stressful for me. I was just, I wanted to fight everybody all the time.

• 5:08Speaker 04

  Yep, yep. Sounds about right. Nothing has changed, in case you were, in case you were wondering. Also, all of my friends are moving to LA and I'm just like, what about me? They're gonna leave me out here to deal with all this by myself.

• 5:19Laci Mosley?

  Oh, eventually we gonna get your ass, Tracy. They all have to move at some point.

• 5:23Speaker 04

  Please do.

• 5:24Laci Mosley?

  They all have to come over to the

• 5:26Speaker 04

  Please do.

• 5:27Laci Mosley?

  The light side, but also the dark side.

• 5:31Speaker 04

  They all need good mental health at some point.

• 5:33Laci Mosley?

  Right. Everybody needs a run on Runyon Canyon and a green juice, honey. Eventually, we get you all.

• 5:39Speaker 04

  Uh, I don't know about the juice.

• 5:43Speaker 04

  Oh, but yes, I do love a scam.

• 5:46Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I'm glad. I see the way your face lights up. We met on Twitter and I actually was tweeting to people about the show and people were like, you have to have Tracy, you have to have Tracy. And I already followed you and I think you're so funny and great on Twitter, so I was like, absolutely. Like, girl, please, uh, where? I'm sliding the DM.

• 6:03Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 6:03Laci Mosley?

  So, thank you for responding to my DM. You know what I mean? I didn't even have to use no eggplant or mail. G and nothing.

• 6:10Speaker 04

  I was like time and place. I'm a, I'm a cheap date. I'm easy. One of them fast little girls your grandmama warned you about.

• 6:17Laci Mosley?

  Right. I, I was as well. I think that's why my mama kept me in the house. Cause she was like, you don't be trying to be out here. So I never really got to leave the house. Uh, I did a lot of, uh, thanks. Shout out to Tom from MySpace for making me a coder.

• 6:33Speaker 04

  You had to get them, uh, what do you call it? Uh, where the, where the thing is like, like the values or whatever. I done forgot all of my MySpace Academy.

• 6:41Laci Mosley?

  Oh, the HTML codes? Oh yeah. Come on now.

• 6:44Speaker 04

  For the music and the little scrolling text.

• 6:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 6:48Speaker 04

  I sure did. And I forgot everything.

• 6:51Laci Mosley?

  I had a souped up page. I had the music. I remember I had, uh, me and you by Cassie. I've been waiting. If you're gonna make that move, tell her if you like it. That was on my page. Yo, Cassie has to thank MySpace for her career.

• 7:06Speaker 04

  Turns.

• 7:08Laci Mosley?

  But, uh.

• 7:08Speaker 04

  Wow. That is a theory that needs examining.

• 7:11Laci Mosley?

  I had.

• 7:12Speaker 04

  New podcast.

• 7:12Laci Mosley?

  I had the rotating top eight, cause I'm chaotic good. I'm actually chaotic evil. So then every time you come to the page, you'll get a new person at number one. Keep all my friends on their toes.

• 7:25Speaker 04

  You got to, you got to. Don't sleep.

• 7:28Laci Mosley?

  All right, guys, let's get into it. Uh, we're gonna start with our first segment here. What's hot in fraud? And this actually comes from the LAPD Facebook account, which is not a place I like to frequent. Um, I really don't fuck with the police.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  What you, how you get over there?

• 7:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you know, shout out to Cheryl and Vera, my research assistant. Cause she goes places I will not go. Uh, one of those places is the LAPD website.

• 7:54Laci Mosley?

  I just be scared clicking on it. I be scared clicking on it. They gonna see me.

• 7:57Speaker 04

  You know?

• 8:01Laci Mosley?

  Literally the other day, a cop was at my neighbor's door. I think they had like a child custody issue. Nothing like crazy, but the daughter like thing didn't wanna go to the daddy house. Was I listening through the peephole? Absolutely. Um. But I opened the door because I was about to go on a little walk and I saw the police officer. Girl, why I just close the door back and go back in my house?

• 8:24Speaker 04

  You know, you know damn well why you just close the door and went back in the house. Because you are too damn black to walk out confidently when police are that close, which is fucked up.

• 8:34Laci Mosley?

  I know it's so fucked up and there's so much crazy stuff happening in the news. And sadly, it's no different than it has been years previous, but I was like, nope, not today. I was like, Sean King ain't about to make my go for me, closing that door right back.

• 8:49Speaker 04

  Shout out to Taco Mix.

• 8:51Laci Mosley?

  Ooh, shout out to Martin Luther scheme.

• 8:57Laci Mosley?

  That's a topic for another day, honey. But, uh, so.

• 9:01Speaker 04

  Ain't it though?

• 9:02Laci Mosley?

  Ooh, it's a lot. I'm, I'm currently researching it and it's, there's a lot of deep diving happening and it's very fun and also very sad. But, um.

• 9:09Speaker 04

  Are you gonna do an episode on Sean King?

• 9:11Laci Mosley?

  That I am, Tracy. I think that I am.

• 9:15Speaker 04

  Oh, my.

• 9:15Laci Mosley?

  I've been flirting with it for a minute, but there's just too much stuff. You know, he once raised money to climb a mountain, then did not climb said mountain? Just crazy shit, crazy shit.

• 9:27Speaker 04

  How much money does it cost to climb a mountain?

• 9:29Laci Mosley?

  Apparently eighty thousand dollars.

• 9:31Speaker 04

  Not in nature? Girl, what's a Kilimanjaro? What the hell?

• 9:36Laci Mosley?

  He, he blew down his whole family. Listen, I can't get into all of this, but y'all, we will eventually get into this because it's just too much tea out here.

• 9:44Speaker 04

  I'm excited for that episode.

• 9:45Laci Mosley?

  It's crazy.

• 9:46Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 9:47Laci Mosley?

  But the LAPD website, that's what I was supposed to be talking about. I could barely talk about it. Um, Fraud Friday is what they call it. And, um, they, they said that they wanted to reach out to their constituency, you know, the people that they terrorized, you and me. Uh, and they said, look, we taking a break from beat y'all asses today to warn you about some scams happening in the zeitgeist. So apparently this, right? I guess, yeah. They said, we have used all, okay, so it says we've all used charging cables to charge up our phones in public areas. But whose charging cable are you using? May look like an ordinary charging cable could contain software that's specifically designed to disrupt, damage,

• 10:30Laci Mosley?

  or gain unauthorized access to a computer system or a phone. Some information may be stolen from your devices, including passwords and other sensitive information. There are hackers tasked with uh breaking into the computers, systems of major companies or average citizens to expose vulnerabilities. So while many might think that modifying a charging cable would be expensive or complicated, it's not. Once you're exposed, it's relatively easy for the hacker to get a hold of your personal information. Now, I don't know about you, Tracy, but if somebody got a hold of my phone's information and like could unlock everything, I would be fucked.

• 11:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I, I'm so paranoid about some shit like that happening to me. Like, I'm never caught without my charger in public. Cause I'm just like, number one, you never know when you're gonna get stranded somewhere and you might need to call a cab so you don't get serial killed.

• 11:22Laci Mosley?

  About get serial.

• 11:23Speaker 04

  Being serial killed. Exactly, exactly. So, I mean, like, I'd never wanna have to like ask a stranger for like a charge, like to use a phone and nothing like that. I just don't, I just don't trust people. And you know what? This story is why you shouldn't. That is so messed up.

• 11:35Laci Mosley?

  Right, that the, that the free, cause you know, it's been a really popular thing now, like in the airports and other public places where they'll have little charging stations. So you can just roll up and be like, oh, thank God. Like, it's already sitting there. They have it at bars now. So it's like, bring your own cord, guys. I.

• 11:53Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 11:55Laci Mosley?

  And what was fascinating to me about this is I was like, if someone gained access to my cellphone, one thing that I feel like everybody does is like, look, I'm not using Apple's suggested pass code for shit. Look here, Steve Jobs. I'm not using your fucking sentence of numbers and letters so that I can never remember how to get into my Instagram again. Like, I'm not doing that.

• 12:18Speaker 04

  Exactly, exactly. I don't even like, it took me a long time to even start like having my devices store my passwords. Like, just in case. Because I was just like, as soon as somebody gets my phone, then they have my whole life, my bank account, my, my everything.

• 12:33Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you get my phone, you got everything. You got bank account to booty hole, anything you need, any fingerprint, like.

• 12:40Speaker 04

  She be doing it like that on the phone.

• 12:44Laci Mosley?

  It's over for me.

• 12:46Speaker 04

  I ain't judging.

• 12:47Laci Mosley?

  Just tell, oh you out there like that?

• 12:49Speaker 04

  Basically, if you lose your phone.

• 12:52Speaker 04

  Listen, you learn something new every day. So if you lose your phone, then basically you gonna have to leak your own nudes like immediately. You just gonna be like, well, listen, look.

• 12:59Laci Mosley?

  Right. Well, I'm more mean metaphorical booty hole, cuz I actually don't take nudes. Um, and that's, I know. That's because I'm just like, I remember once a guy who's actually famous, I can't say his name, but he was texting with me and was like, oh, you know, like, send me a picture. And I sent him a picture of my face. And he was like, oh, let me see something else. And I was like, a nude? And he was like, I mean, yeah. And I was like, okay. So I took a photo and then I drew a body with some boobs on it and some ass. And I sent that to him. I was like, here you go, here go my nudes.

• 13:36Speaker 04

  You like them. Right, I want you.

• 13:41Laci Mosley?

  I look cute, right? I tried to do it in the mirror for you. Like, bruh, you out of your damn mind. People are getting leaked out. Like, if I was in a career where there was anonymity and more privacy, maybe, but these days, everybody's phone getting hacked. I ain't having my booty hole out here on the internet like Vanessa Hudges. No shade to Vanessa.

• 14:04Speaker 04

  And I don't think I'm like technologically advanced enough to like, keep that from happening, you know? So I just like, just, just don't. I'm gonna have to get a burner phone to do some freaky shit.

• 14:14Laci Mosley?

  Right. We gotta go get a flip phone.

• 14:16Speaker 04

  Give me a good little flip phone. Right.

• 14:18Laci Mosley?

  And then I gotta get Bay a flip phone cuz the, the, uh, gifs, the photos will only develop on that low of technology.

• 14:26Speaker 04

  That's real.

• 14:27Laci Mosley?

  That's how you know.

• 14:28Speaker 04

  Pixelated this shit. Like, what is this?

• 14:31Laci Mosley?

  I know, your shit looking like a, like a puzzle. They're like, I don't know, the pieces don't seem like they where they supposed to be. Yeah, you gotta move around a little bit.

• 14:39Speaker 04

  Is this a picture of a mountain?

• 14:41Laci Mosley?

  No, it is a titty. You just gotta keep, you gotta look at it in the light and squint.

• 14:46Speaker 04

  You gotta squint one eye up. Yep, stand on your left foot and tilt your head.

• 14:49Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 14:49Speaker 04

  Bam, nipple.

• 14:52Laci Mosley?

  All that for some nipple, all that for some nipple. But yeah, like, I, I have the same like three or four passwords for everything. So if you got one variation, like you probably sent on me. You could just go and rob me.

• 15:04Speaker 04

  Well, good to know. Thanks for telling everybody your cheat codes. Somebody gonna be like, oh, I gotta go get a Lacy phone.

• 15:10Laci Mosley?

  Right. Listen, I keep it close to my chest. I know I'm gonna get the brain cancer because my phone is always near my head. I was like, well, this is just is what it is.

• 15:19Speaker 04

  Not bad.

• 15:20Laci Mosley?

  It is what it is. So guys, if you're out there and you're, and you're desperate for a charge, guys, as we always say with the Despo meter, we know y'all be getting desperate. Maybe you got an important phone call, maybe you got somewhere to be, maybe this is the first post quarantine booty call of your life and you just trying to make it. Make it to the house. Uh, watch out for just cables that are sitting around. There's one cable called the OMG cable that can cost about $200. And this cable cord can ca- uh, can take control of a Mac computer remotely, gaining access to passwords and sensitive in- information. So if you see anything with OMG on it, definitely don't use that.

• 15:56Speaker 04

  Yeah. Remotely? Dang.

• 15:58Laci Mosley?

  I know. And, and, and there's, this kind of stuff has been happening, like there used to be voyeurs. I don't know if they still do this, but like when you would go to the gas station, there would be people who had hacked into the systems that you can pay for on the outside, external gas station places. And they would be lingering nearby to steal your card information and stuff like, so people have been.

• 16:18Speaker 04

  I remember that. I remember that.

• 16:19Laci Mosley?

  And they keep elevating as much as we get ahead of them, you know, the scam industry constantly evolves and that's why I love it.

• 16:29Laci Mosley?

  The ingenuity, you know what I'm talking about? Like just a.

• 16:32Speaker 04

  Right, right, right. Motivator.

• 16:35Laci Mosley?

  Right. So if you guys are out there and you need to charge your phone, just check out the cable first, maybe just bring, do what I do, if you can afford it. I have a car charger cable that I only have in the car. I have a cable that I leave at the house and I have a cable that I put in my purse. You can put it in your man wallet or whatever you carry. And that way you don't have to like, because I used to bring them back and forth and I'll always lose them.

• 16:57Speaker 04

  Uh huh. Yep. Also, um, get you a little rechargeable battery pack. They're small these days. Charge them up before you leave the house. Because up here in New York, I'm just like, car charger. I ain't got one. I don't have a car to put that in.

• 17:09Laci Mosley?

  Oh, right.

• 17:10Speaker 04

  There are options.

• 17:11Laci Mosley?

  You're right, you're right. You're on the train. You're absolutely right about that. You are on the train. And I don't know if it-

• 17:16Speaker 04

  On the train with the Rona.

• 17:18Laci Mosley?

  If some of the trains have plugs, though, don't they? Am I crazy? Is that just the white people train?

• 17:24Speaker 04

  I think you might be.

• 17:25Laci Mosley?

  I feel like I've charged my phone on the train. Because you know, the white areas got Wi-Fi.

• 17:31Speaker 04

  Oh, the white areas got everything. The white areas got gold watermelon.

• 17:35Laci Mosley?

  Right. No cops waiting at the entrance to beat you over-

• 17:39Speaker 04

  Right.

• 17:39Laci Mosley?

  Over a dollar twenty-five, dollar seventy-five.

• 17:42Speaker 04

  Exactly. They help you get off the train. It's wild.

• 17:45Laci Mosley?

  It's like, you're here to help me? Police?

• 17:48Speaker 04

  What, champ- champagne for me? Oh, my gosh, thanks.

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• 18:57Laci Mosley?

  I know this is in the zeitgeist, I do just have to mention this, that uh woman, Amy Cooper, that Twitter ruined her life.

• 19:05Speaker 04

  Yes ma'am.

• 19:06Laci Mosley?

  Shout out to Twitter.

• 19:07Speaker 04

  Amy Cooper ruined her own life?

• 19:09Laci Mosley?

  Amy Cooper ruined her own life, yes, but then Twitter really took it upon itself to make sure that it was extra ruined. And I just gotta say, shout out to whoever found out where she adopted that dog. And contacted the dog, if you haven't heard the story, uh, there was a white woman in Central Park, they're calling her Central Park Karen, her name's Amy Cooper. She is a scammer and an excellent voiceover actress. Um, she, she needs to be in somebody's booth immediately.

• 19:41Speaker 04

  She does, she absolutely does.

• 19:43Laci Mosley?

  Talent jumped out, it really did. Um, she was in the ramble in Central Park, if that's a familiar place for you, with her cocker spaniel off the leash. The leash laws state that she, the dog needed to be on the leash, uh, it was disturbing, bird watching areas that the bird watchers were trying to, you know, get their bird on, watch their birds, I don't know what they do, champ. Seems very peaceful.

• 20:08Speaker 04

  I think you got it, I think that's what they do. I think.

• 20:11Laci Mosley?

  That what it is, they watch the birds, okay?

• 20:13Speaker 04

  I think so, I think so.

• 20:14Laci Mosley?

  It just seems so simple, you know what I mean, like, I feel like they, they gotta have more complex things that they be doing, but, fine, so they're watching birds. And if you say so Tracy, they're watching birds.

• 20:25Speaker 04

  I do, I insist.

• 20:27Laci Mosley?

  And so she got her dog off the leash running all crazy, and this black man, who's also last name is Cooper, uh, hilarious enough, Christian Cooper. They probably related, it's probably some ancestry dot com, like Amy Cooper.

• 20:39Speaker 04

  Somebody, look, somebody's ancestor owned somebody, in them two families.

• 20:44Laci Mosley?

  So, so he asked her politely to put the dog on a leash, of course, the caucasus, he jumped out and she immediately put on her Karen wig. And decided to call the police on this man. And he started filming her, and she said, I'm, I'm gonna call the police, and I'm gonna tell them that there's an African American man attacking me. And I wish I was joking, but that's about how, how she sounded.

• 21:11Speaker 04

  Like she turned into Scarlett O'Hara or some shit. Oh, fiddle day day, what am I to do? There's a big scary African Amer- and the way that she said that shit, like she like, I'm gonna tell them there's an African American man out here. I was like, bitch, you know what you doing. You know what you are about to do.

• 21:30Laci Mosley?

  African American negro.

• 21:36Laci Mosley?

  He wouldn't get off the sidewalk as I passed. I nearly died a fright. He whistled at me, I swear to, I swear for God. He whistled at me. He placed those two big lips together.

• 21:50Laci Mosley?

  Like sis, so she did a whole fake phone call and like honestly, Amy Cooper is a scammer and I really kinda wanna look into her past because boy, that acting was superb. She started choking out the dog. I don't know if she meant to do that on purpose. But she yoking the dog up by the collar.

• 22:08Speaker 04

  She was too, she was too into it, too into it. And like, the whole time, she's dragging this poor little dog around like a rag doll. The dog's like pawing at him like, hey, hey, hey, hey, uh, Amy, uh, hey, hey, real quick, real quick though, real quick, timeout. Bitch, I can't breathe.

• 22:24Laci Mosley?

  Literally, the dog was like, I can't breathe.

• 22:26Speaker 04

  Right.

• 22:26Laci Mosley?

  And what's crazy to me is when I really started to analyze the video, I was like, so if there was no videotape, it would just sound like the woman is like, I was watching my dog and a negro came. And then her dog's like, help negro, help negro. So the cops probably hear that and they're like, oh, this woman is in distress and her dog is like,

• 22:46Speaker 04

  negro, negro. Get the rifles.

• 22:51Speaker 04

  Even the dog is calling them out.

• 22:55Laci Mosley?

  The dog, dog's like,

• 22:57Speaker 04

  Jim Crow.

• 22:59Laci Mosley?

  Bring the hoses.

• 23:05Speaker 04

  And a German shepherd.

• 23:06Laci Mosley?

  The dog is like, you just know his ancestors, like, look, my ancestor was a police dog in the sixties, like, this is what we do.

• 23:12Speaker 04

  Right.

• 23:13Laci Mosley?

  Meanwhile, the dog in real life is getting choked out. And I just wanna say shout out to whoever on Twitter figured out where she adopted this dog and had the dog repoed.

• 23:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, man.

• 23:24Laci Mosley?

  I've never seen that.

• 23:26Speaker 04

  How? How does Twitter do what it does? Like, off that grainy ass photo. Somebody said, let me hack into the mainframe real quick.

• 23:37Speaker 04

  It's her whole fucking life.

• 23:39Laci Mosley?

  That photo is about the quality of what my nudes would be on my flip phone.

• 23:43Speaker 04

  Exactly. The burner phone.

• 23:46Laci Mosley?

  And yet, someone has taken that and cross-referenced it. Found out where this woman adopted this damn dog. And the same day, just a few hours after the incident, they pulled up and said, run me the dog.

• 24:05Speaker 04

  I have never heard of that happening, but I guess, why would I? You know, who else is out here doing it to dogs?

• 24:13Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my god. And the sad part is on Twitter, like, obviously, like, people, there are a good amount of people who are upset about Christian Cooper and how this woman obviously was gonna try to use state sanctioned violence to kill this man. But there is so many people who are just genuinely upset about the dog that I was like, maybe having a cat isn't enough. Maybe I need to get a dog and just walk around with that shit everywhere I go, like, look, I'm a human. I have a dog.

• 24:36Speaker 04

  I think so. And that way, at least if, like, the cops get you, somebody be like, well, at least she had a dog, so she's a good person.

• 24:43Laci Mosley?

  Right, I'm like, holding the dog in front of my chest and my head, like, please don't shoot.

• 24:47Speaker 04

  Right, like, don't shoot. Don't shoot us. Don't shoot us.

• 24:50Laci Mosley?

  Or him.

• 24:51Speaker 04

  Don't shoot man one.

• 24:52Laci Mosley?

  If that's really how y'all feel about, see, see, he's blocking me, so.

• 24:56Speaker 04

  Right.

• 24:57Laci Mosley?

  Black people, that may not have to be our new scam, was we just go everywhere with a dog.

• 25:04Laci Mosley?

  That's how we stay alive.

• 25:05Speaker 04

  We should reclaim German Shepherds.

• 25:07Laci Mosley?

  Right. Ooh, that seems like it would be a lot of retraining, like, every day you get home, you're like,

• 25:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm not.

• 25:12Laci Mosley?

  Poochie, let go of my wrist.

• 25:16Speaker 04

  Uchi?

• 25:17Laci Mosley?

  Poochie, I was gonna call it poochie.

• 25:20Speaker 04

  Oh, poochie, I thought you said uchi as in uchiwali.

• 25:23Laci Mosley?

  Ooh, that's a good name for a dog, too. I like uchiwali.

• 25:28Laci Mosley?

  Me and my

• 25:29Speaker 04

  A dog named Uchiwali.

• 25:31Laci Mosley?

  Me and my dog Uchiwali staying safe in these streets, okay? Cha dang dang.

• 25:36Speaker 04

  Safe and alive.

• 25:39Laci Mosley?

  But shout out, shout out to Twitter for taking that woman's dog and her job. Um, you know, maybe think twice next time y'all wanna fake a whole, uh, scene, a crime scene. Just think twice about it.

• 25:51Speaker 04

  It's, especially if there's a camera in your face, like maybe just be logical a little bit.

• 25:56Laci Mosley?

  She was cocky. She was really cocky.

• 25:58Speaker 04

  She was.

• 25:59Laci Mosley?

  Cause she was running towards that man.

• 26:00Speaker 04

  Which is wild.

• 26:01Laci Mosley?

  Uh, talking about, get away from me.

• 26:05Laci Mosley?

  Running at him.

• 26:06Speaker 04

  Grabbing for his phone as she does it, like.

• 26:09Laci Mosley?

  Which reminds me of, this is a deep cut for you guys. If you've ever watched Flavor of Love, it was the first episode of season two. Safari, who's one of my personal heroes, she got into a fight with a, with a woman over a bed. And she's clearly beating this woman up. But she has pulled this tiny little woman on top of her and is punching her in the head, talking about, get off me, get off me.

• 26:35Speaker 04

  And then she offered us some lip chat later.

• 26:39Laci Mosley?

  That's essentially what Amy Cooper tried to do. She was like, get off me, get off me.

• 26:46Laci Mosley?

  No one is on you. If this wasn't horrible.

• 26:49Speaker 04

  Also, I love that reference, by the way. I love Play with Love so fucking much. You don't understand. Love it.

• 26:55Laci Mosley?

  I've rewatched it all during quarantine. That was like week one of quarantine. I was like, I guess I'm rewatching Flavor of Love. And then Rock of Love bust and then Time's Call.

• 27:06Laci Mosley?

  It was an escape.

• 27:07Speaker 04

  Ray J's, what was it called?

• 27:08Laci Mosley?

  Ooh.

• 27:09Speaker 04

  For the Love of Ray J?

• 27:10Laci Mosley?

  I have not rewatched For the Love of Ray J. I gotta go watch that, cause that girl with the tiger tattoo.

• 27:15Speaker 04

  She smashed the homies. Danger. She smashed the homies.

• 27:19Laci Mosley?

  Oh, slut shaming, slut shaming in its peak, you know, uh.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  Oh, man. The good old days, am I right?

• 27:28Laci Mosley?

  It's like that song I know Beyonce always tries to forget. Remember Nasty put some clothes on?

• 27:33Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. I sure do. Not gonna say anymore cuz I don't want the B have coming after me.

• 27:38Laci Mosley?

  A patriarchy bop, okay?

• 27:41Speaker 04

  Hey, they happen. They happen. Sometimes you gotta make the best out of the toxicity that you were taught. That's how she do it.

• 27:47Laci Mosley?

  Alright guys, we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back.

• 27:52Laci Mosley?

  Guys, we are back.

• 27:53Speaker 04

  I look like...

• 27:54Laci Mosley?

  Tracy's reporting live from the sauna. She's got a whole booth set up here.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 27:58Laci Mosley?

  I love it.

• 27:59Speaker 04

  Listen, it's so hot, y'all.

• 28:02Laci Mosley?

  We're back with historic hoodwinks. And this is where I will gale Tracy with a story of a historic caper or hoodwink. And we'll get her opinions all throughout. So feel free to interrupt at any time, Tracy. I wanna hear all of your thoughts. This...

• 28:16Speaker 04

  I'm so excited.

• 28:17Laci Mosley?

  This is another scam. We keep having this happen. A lot of the scams that we cover either have been turned into movies or are in the process of becoming a film. Uh, I guess cuz they're just so fun. So this one is actually based off of, um, I believe Bad Education. And, um, the leader of the scam, his name is Frank Tassone. And he was a former superintendent in New York's Rosalind School District. So this charismatic administrator, charismatic scammer, allegedly insisted on personally meeting each and every new student. Now mind you, he's the superintendent. So that's not like the principal where you gotta meet everybody at your school. He said, "Run me all the PSs, one through eighteen."

• 29:03Laci Mosley?

  And I will meet every little New York baby.

• 29:06Speaker 04

  We homeschooling, damn it. I don't trust him.

• 29:09Laci Mosley?

  Right. Why you trying to shake up all my kids?

• 29:11Speaker 04

  Right!

• 29:12Laci Mosley?

  What you need to know? But I guess he's trying to get in touch with his constituency, child. I guess. He made a point of regularly lunching with high school pupils. He even led a book club for the district's parents. Now what this touches to me on, cuz obviously he gonna do some fraud. I feel like if you trying to be with the people this much, it's so you could keep tabs on what the people saying.

• 29:36Speaker 04

  Yup. Yup. Also, to rob somebody, you gotta be near them pockets. Gotta know where your target is and what they doing.

• 29:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you gotta eat lunch with him and be like, who, let's see who eating the square pizza with chocolate milk. Or see who getting Chick-fil-A brought to them by their mama at lunch. Who got the coins?

• 29:53Speaker 04

  Who got the potato triangles in here? Me?

• 29:56Laci Mosley?

  Listen, who, who got the, who got the, uh, the, the stamped cucumbers? If you got some cucumbers that look like clover leaves, I just saw this on TikTok. It's moms out here using food stamps, like, like little, uh, cookie cutters. Food stamps, child. Cookie cutters. You see, I'm not that type of, uh, I have no kids. I'm a single mom with no kids. But I would not be that kind of mom.

• 30:22Laci Mosley?

  So if I see you out here and your sandwich got the crust cut off in the shape of a heart and shit, I know your mama don't have to work.

• 30:28Speaker 04

  Right. You rich. I'm gonna see you in the alley after school.

• 30:33Laci Mosley?

  We definitely coming for your pockets.

• 30:36Laci Mosley?

  So, he later admitted to embezzling millions of dollars from the school district with the help of his colleague Pam Gluckin. Shout out to Pam.

• 30:46Speaker 04

  Pam. Pam.

• 30:49Laci Mosley?

  Pam.

• 30:49Speaker 04

  I love Pam, just because her name is Pam.

• 30:51Laci Mosley?

  Right. I wonder if it's, it's gotta be Pamela, right? They just calling her Pam Gluckin. I like it. The case involved into multiple arrests and millions of dollars that were later become known as the largest school embezzlement scandal in US history. Tasson had been in the school district for ten or twelve years, and in that time, he had grown the school district to the point of national prominence. So, the town itself was doing well because of the regard of the school district directly tethered to things like property value. So he was also taking the coin, we all know, a good school district also usually has very high taxes. Because it's like a place that people wanna move.

• 31:33Laci Mosley?

  I've never had to purchase a home, obviously, because I live in Los Angeles. Um, and I'm just really not ready to spring for that one bath- bathroom, that half bathroom, one bedroom, million dollar home.

• 31:47Laci Mosley?

  I'm not ready for that.

• 31:49Speaker 04

  Nope, nope.

• 31:51Laci Mosley?

  But, um, but in places where housing is a bit more affordable, like Texas where I'm from, like, the school district that I was in was really good and the taxes were very high in the neighborhood, which is also a way of kind of like gerrymandering and keeping people of color out. Trash.

• 32:05Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 32:06Laci Mosley?

  So he got the school district popping, popping. And the administrators were asking for more and more money because they were doing an incredible job. So the taxpayers were happy to oblige, said Mac McCowsky, a former student who later went on to write the drama Bad Education. So he wrote the movie about his school.

• 32:27Speaker 04

  Okay, okay.

• 32:28Laci Mosley?

  So all their kids were getting into amazing schools and doing great on their SATs and property values were soaring. And in two thousand four, the Wall Street Journal named Rosalind High the sixth best public high school in the nation. This is very-

• 32:43Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 32:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, right? Number six? And you're a public-

• 32:46Speaker 04

  That's high. In the nation. The nation is big. There's a lot of schools in the nation.

• 32:51Laci Mosley?

  I mean, like, you don't have to go to Mississippi and look into their schools, but for the most part, it's a lot of schools.

• 32:59Laci Mosley?

  Shout out to Mississippi. Y'all can go beat my ass, but Google it. Y'all education is trash.

• 33:07Speaker 04

  They might come beat your ass, though.

• 33:08Laci Mosley?

  I know they might. But listen, my daddy, my daddy from Jackson, Mississippi, okay? He got into Princeton, so I'm not saying the people are stupid. I'm just saying your educational system is bad.

• 33:21Speaker 04

  And that's why people fault, so.

• 33:23Laci Mosley?

  It is.

• 33:25Laci Mosley?

  You don't have to look too far.

• 33:27Speaker 04

  Yep, yep, very true.

• 33:30Laci Mosley?

  So, um, every episode, I just want to see how far I can go.

• 33:37Laci Mosley?

  How far y'all gonna let me go before you pull the plug? Someone just comes over here and pulls the plug out of my computer. It's like, no more.

• 33:42Speaker 04

  That's enough. That's enough, ma'am.

• 33:44Laci Mosley?

  You will not, you cannot talk on the internet anymore. We said no.

• 33:47Speaker 04

  This is why y'all can't have nothing.

• 33:49Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. This is why we can't have nice things.

• 33:54Laci Mosley?

  This very affable charismatic person who placed real emphasis on the quality of education and helping students was at the same time taking money from the coffer and was part of an eleven point two million dollar larceny scheme. So I was, they're talking about Tassone, like he seems like the mother Teresa of schools and he's also the motherfucker of the school as well, cuz he's robbing the shit out of them.

• 34:19Speaker 04

  Right.

• 34:20Laci Mosley?

  So, this is how they spent some of the money. There were details about Tassone, who Hugh Jackman plays in this movie Bad Education, that didn't add up. So, he drove a Mercedes, he wore sharp suits and served lobster tails at a luncheon.

• 34:37Speaker 04

  Okay, wait.

• 34:40Speaker 04

  You supposed to lay low, my dude. You did the exact opposite. Lobster?

• 34:45Laci Mosley?

  Like, we would've let you be flashy, but lobster? Right. The fish from the tank that costs a lot of money, from the fish from the tank? Lobster?

• 34:56Speaker 04

  The little, the big ass bug that, uh, celebrities always trying to free from grocery stores and shit, that one? Really? And like, did he serve them like, at school in the cafeteria? You remember that? When somebody tried to free some lobsters?

• 35:10Laci Mosley?

  That's crazy. No, I don't remember that. That is wild. I did not know about that.

• 35:14Speaker 04

  I cannot remember which white boy it was.

• 35:17Laci Mosley?

  Which white boy?

• 35:17Speaker 04

  I think it, one of them, one of them. I think it happened in Kentucky and he was just like, I just wanted to free the lobsters. Like, he like smashed a big ass tank of lobsters.

• 35:28Laci Mosley?

  You know?

• 35:29Speaker 04

  You know?

• 35:30Laci Mosley?

  Just to have the free time to be white.

• 35:36Laci Mosley?

  I'm Googling this, cuz now I wanna know.

• 35:38Speaker 04

  Yes, I hope, I hope I am correct.

• 35:40Laci Mosley?

  No, I can't find anything on it. Okay, we're, we're gonna circle back to this, but lobsters, guys. And the issue here is, okay, one, you're driving a Mercedes. That's already a lot, cuz you know you work in education, which I wish that more people in education could drive a Mercedes, cuz they don't get paid a fuck enough. And you wearing sharp suits, okay, you got the number six high school in the nation. We'll let you have a, a little Peri Ellis or a little, you know what I mean?

• 36:06Speaker 04

  You gotta look good, you know? Impress the people.

• 36:09Laci Mosley?

  Now, when you start flaunting your wealth where you're not eating lobster at a luncheon by yourself alone, you are buying market price lobster for everybody?

• 36:19Speaker 04

  Multiple lobsters. At the same time, when no payment plan, when no lobster layaway, you just gonna walk in with all the lobsters.

• 36:26Laci Mosley?

  No lobster layaway. He came in like Oprah. He said, "You get a lobster, you get a lobster, you get a lobster." That sound like some shit Frank Tassone would do. That's some very Frank Tassone ass shit.

• 36:39Speaker 04

  Okay, I have a que- I have a que- I have a question about this luncheon. Uh, is it happening like, cause in my head, it's happening in like an elementary school lunchroom? And they're eating like these big, beautiful lobsters on these like little square, plastic trays.

• 36:54Laci Mosley?

  Right, with the, with the, the plastic knife and the fork, they still gotta drink chocolate milk with it? They're just like, "You couldn't get us no juice for lobster?" Like nah, y'all still gotta drink that chocolate milk, it gonna go bad tomorrow.

• 37:05Speaker 04

  Right, also, I spent all this money on the lobsters.

• 37:10Laci Mosley?

  You're lucky y'all got butter. Now, drink that chocolate milk and eat that lobster, okay?

• 37:15Speaker 04

  And shut the fuck up.

• 37:17Laci Mosley?

  Michelle Obama could never.

• 37:23Laci Mosley?

  So, obviously, he out here looking like a little too rich. And in spite of increasing budget requests, which seem to always be met, the school's roof continued to leak. Alright, now Frank-

• 37:36Speaker 04

  This sound like my church. You know, you keep giving to the building fund. Why the church still fall apart though? What is y'all building?

• 37:44Laci Mosley?

  So, when are we ever gonna, right, when is we actually gonna ever build something with the building fund? Cause it's been a few years, pastor. It's been a few years now, pastor, and-

• 37:58Laci Mosley?

  Yo, that reminds me- That reminds me of my old church home, and I had a pastor, uh, he might be dead now. Reverend Jackson, I feel like he probably, he probably did. But he was very charismatic, and he was a scammer. And he was just like, "Oh my god." One of the best sermons, like he, when he started really preaching, "Get your sweat tan." And he could sing a little bit, and he would be sweating.

• 38:25Laci Mosley?

  He will be sweating.

• 38:31Laci Mosley?

  He was so good. And I've never, yup, you be the one, we got a fan, we had to get the fan out.

• 38:38Speaker 04

  Absolutely, absolutely. When you see me stand up and start stretching, get ready.

• 38:42Laci Mosley?

  And our building fund- Right, right. We're about to start stomping, stomping and running. And for the white listeners out there, that's what black Baptists do. Also, who else does this? Who speaks in tongues?

• 38:56Speaker 04

  Pentecostal?

• 38:57Laci Mosley?

  Pentecostal.

• 38:58Speaker 04

  Pentecostal, I think.

• 38:58Laci Mosley?

  Um, but a lot of Baptists, missionary Baptists.

• 39:02Speaker 04

  Uh, Apo- Apo- Apopolystopolis, how you say it? Apostolic?

• 39:08Laci Mosley?

  Apostolic? We close.

• 39:10Speaker 04

  Apocalypse? Close enough.

• 39:12Laci Mosley?

  Close enough.

• 39:12Speaker 04

  Apocalypses.

• 39:13Laci Mosley?

  Yes, but we like to, we like to turn up in church and run around and have a good time. But yeah, I'll never forget when he started stealing from the church because he started changing up the sermons. He would be like, oh, I know y'all, I know y'all women is going, uh, going to Dallas, which was the big city in Texas for us. Uh, this was in Terrell, Texas. Shout out to Terrell. Um, he's like, I know y'all going to the big city and y'all done saved up your money, but why are you spending your money on clothes when you need to be spending your money on God?

• 39:42Speaker 04

  And by God, I mean me.

• 39:45Laci Mosley?

  In the building.

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• 40:52Laci Mosley?

  So Frank Tassone has an everlasting building fund, AKA the school. Now Frank, I know you needed, I know you went to Gucci and you probably treated yourself. I know you went and got these lobsters and thought perhaps that people wouldn't notice, but fixing the roof? Should have definitely been higher up on the priority list, as in everybody's gonna see the roof is broke every day.

• 41:18Speaker 04

  And they're gonna notice when it's not fixed, you know?

• 41:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like how long did you think they weren't gonna notice that the roof was not?

• 41:24Speaker 04

  It should have at least been top five, you know? Go to Gucci, buy out the bar, get some lobsters, fix the roof.

• 41:31Laci Mosley?

  Fix the roof.

• 41:31Speaker 04

  And then go to, I don't know, Maui or wherever you go, wherever rich people go.

• 41:35Laci Mosley?

  Right. I just feel like you gotta, you gotta pull, before you pull up to Mercedes, I think you really do need to pull up to Home Depot.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:42Laci Mosley?

  Like I feel like that's gotta be the first stop.

• 41:44Speaker 04

  I mean.

• 41:45Laci Mosley?

  Then you go to Mercedes.

• 41:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, it'll make you look better and maybe you won't get the fuck caught, maybe.

• 41:49Laci Mosley?

  Right. So obviously things aren't adding up. So while playing the role of devoted superintendent, remember, because he loved to go to lunches with everybody and they could. Uh, he was also siphoning off 2.2 million dollars on vacations to the Caribbean. You said it Tracy, rent on an Upper East Side apartment, $33,000 worth of local dry cleaning?

• 42:13Speaker 04

  I mean, you gotta get the, get the Gucci, right? You gotta get all them Steve Harvey suits together.

• 42:17Laci Mosley?

  Listen, you ain't, you ain't wrong about that. And I, you need a good dry cleaner, because for a long time I didn't have a good dry cleaner. And I used to do it in New York too, I just dropped my clothes off, bruh. I didn't notice until I moved that all my designer t-shirts were gone. YSL shirts, life of Pablo before Kanye was problematic, like they was just stealing my designer clothes.

• 42:39Speaker 04

  You know what?

• 42:40Laci Mosley?

  And I would drop off pounds of laundry.

• 42:42Speaker 04

  That's wild.

• 42:43Laci Mosley?

  So I had no idea.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  Oh no, this is so funny to me because my, um, I don't mean to put my family on the spotlight, but my brother.

• 42:52Speaker 04

  His favorite thing was to buy clothes from the dry cleaner.

• 42:56Speaker 04

  And I was like, wait, is this legal? And he's just like, you know, they just there. And I was like, well, they belong to someone at first. And he was like, well, maybe they don't want them.

• 43:04Laci Mosley?

  Me and your brother need to fight.

• 43:06Speaker 04

  Look, after the show, I will give you his coordinates. Cause he probably bought one of his shirts.

• 43:11Laci Mosley?

  Please give me his coordinates.

• 43:14Laci Mosley?

  Listen, actually though, I'm, I need to hit him up and be like, so where do I do this? Cause if I gotta buy back my designer clothes, so be it.

• 43:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, I mean, he would help you out.

• 43:23Laci Mosley?

  They gonna be cheaper than the first time I bought them.

• 43:27Laci Mosley?

  I'm just be straight up with my dry cleaner. I'm like, look, I know y'all stole my shit. Now, how much to get it back?

• 43:33Speaker 04

  We gonna keep the cops out of this?

• 43:35Laci Mosley?

  I'm a reasonable gal.

• 43:36Speaker 04

  Just, you know, one on one.

• 43:38Laci Mosley?

  Right, they're like, you black, you're always gonna keep the cops out of it. I'm like, you right about that.

• 43:42Speaker 04

  Also, you paid for it your way.

• 43:44Laci Mosley?

  I'm called like, I am a white woman.

• 43:47Laci Mosley?

  I am a white woman, okay? By the time you get here, I will be white.

• 43:51Speaker 04

  While you're choking a dog.

• 43:52Laci Mosley?

  African American? Right? Got the dog yoked up to the mic.

• 43:57Speaker 04

  Dog's like, earth, give her her shirts, earth, earth.

• 44:00Laci Mosley?

  Right, alright. Um, so thirty-three thousand dollars worth of his local dry cleaning. I mean, money well spent, so you get your clothes back. And fifty thousand dollars in flights to London, just specifically to London.

• 44:14Speaker 04

  Oh, uh, wow. He got hoes in London, I'm assuming.

• 44:20Laci Mosley?

  Across the pond, yeah, he must have hoes in different, um, area codes, for sure, for sure.

• 44:25Speaker 04

  He said, I'm a flew myself out.

• 44:27Laci Mosley?

  Postal codes. He flew himself out a lot. Fifty-six thousand, six hundred forty-five dollars of the school's funds he used to pay a Manhattan weight loss doctor. Frank was also going to Vegas like two, three times a year.

• 44:42Speaker 04

  How, how much on the weight loss doctor?

• 44:45Laci Mosley?

  Fifty-six thousand, six hundred forty-five dollars.

• 44:48Speaker 04

  What the fuck did he order? Like, what? I don't know, just.

• 44:52Laci Mosley?

  Like, Weight Watchers does not cost that much.

• 44:55Speaker 04

  It don't, what is?

• 44:56Laci Mosley?

  Oprah's out here giving y'all meal plans for like thirty dollars.

• 44:59Speaker 04

  Listen, what is fifty-six thou? I'm just gonna stay, uh, thick and delightful, if that's what it take.

• 45:06Laci Mosley?

  Also, do I need to get, right? You know, so much of our weight loss culture is rooted in fat phobia, but I'm like, is this a, a good scam to get a part of? Cause how, was he not fat after fifty, fifty-six thousand dollars later? Did he look different?

• 45:21Speaker 04

  Right, we need a before and after, we do.

• 45:25Laci Mosley?

  I'm confused, cause also, how do you keep making money? You know?

• 45:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:30Laci Mosley?

  I have so many questions.

• 45:31Speaker 04

  That's a very big question.

• 45:35Laci Mosley?

  After fifty-six thousand dollars, I better look like exactly what I wanna look like. I don't know what that is, but I better look exactly. Right, I better look, I better be able to hold up a picture of Beyonce and then be like, yes, exactly the same person.

• 45:49Speaker 04

  I think that's totally fair.

• 45:52Laci Mosley?

  I think that's reasonable. So, he paid a weight loss doctor all this money. Frank was also going to Vegas like two or three times a year on the school district's dime. Okay, turn up. One parent said, suddenly, it's not Frank in a Ford Taurus with his pants way up to here. It's Frank with his hair slicked back and a facelift. Teachers couldn't fail to notice the long, light scars behind his ears. He went and got his whole face done.

• 46:22Laci Mosley?

  Okay, Frank Kardashian.

• 46:24Speaker 04

  I mean, like.

• 46:28Speaker 04

  Did he, I wanna know, I want to know, did he have, like, a plan to explain, like, this glow up in his life? Like, did he tell people, oh, I won a very secretive lottery that nobody knows about? Oh, I had a grandparent die who was very rich. Like, what, what do you tell people? That's how you know he was like.

• 46:48Laci Mosley?

  I truly don't know, cause he started out as like Ford Tercel.

• 46:53Speaker 04

  Listen.

• 46:54Laci Mosley?

  Or Taurus, man of the people. Uh, my friend used to have a Ford Taurus and she called it clitaurus. I don't know, I just thought of that.

• 47:02Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh.

• 47:03Laci Mosley?

  So, he was just driving around his clitaurus with his pants up to here. And, and being a man of the people. And now he's a slicked-back, bad bitch. With a fresh Jerry Jones face.

• 47:17Speaker 04

  Got his ass done and everything. Snatched? Where you, how you do that?

• 47:23Laci Mosley?

  His face is sitting on twenty-two inch.

• 47:27Speaker 04

  And he just walk in like, what's up, y'all? Different? No, I just, like, I got my haircut. I lost a few pounds, maybe that's what you, maybe that's what you seen. Maybe that's what.

• 47:36Laci Mosley?

  I, I want.

• 47:37Speaker 04

  No, sir.

• 47:38Laci Mosley?

  Fifty-six thousand dollars worth of weight.

• 47:42Laci Mosley?

  No, no, no, I just lost fifty six thousand dollars worth of pounds.

• 47:47Speaker 04

  Worth of pounds.

• 47:49Laci Mosley?

  Whoever knows how much pounds that is.

• 47:52Speaker 04

  He knows.

• 47:53Laci Mosley?

  Pam Gluckett, the accomplice, because Tassone, you know, he wasn't acting alone. So now we're coming back to Pam. So Roslyn School's former business administrator Pam Gluckett admitted to stealing four point three million dollars herself. So she went and got her. Y'all, if y'all had just stole, honestly, I think they probably stole more. If they're saying four point three, I'm like, Pam, you probably got seven. Uh, and I hope you offshored some of it, sis. I really hope you did.

• 48:20Speaker 04

  Just like the white stuff do.

• 48:23Laci Mosley?

  Right? She and Tassone also reportedly withdrew over a million dollars from ATMs. Wow.

• 48:30Speaker 04

  I have a question, so.

• 48:33Laci Mosley?

  This includes service fees?

• 48:35Speaker 04

  Right. Most ATMs will let you take out what, two hundred dollars? So y'all just went to like every ATM in the world? Like, okay, that in New York, opposite Jersey.

• 48:46Laci Mosley?

  Kept going. Right. You can't even do that. Banks won't even let you do that. Bank of America stingy bitch ass calling me every five minutes. I tried to buy a Slim Jim. They'd be like, bitch, you ain't never had no Slim Jim before.

• 48:57Speaker 04

  Who is this?

• 48:58Laci Mosley?

  Are you being robbed?

• 49:01Laci Mosley?

  Don't worry, we turning off all your accounts.

• 49:03Speaker 04

  Just to be safe. I'll sell too much out anyway. You don't need that.

• 49:08Laci Mosley?

  Right. That's not even good for you. We trying to keep you alive so we can keep your money in the bank. Okay? So they took out a million dollars from ATMs. The school district was paying for renovations to her home in the Hamptons. Her son had a district. Yes. How y'all got a home in the Hamptons and the school got a hole in the roof?

• 49:30Laci Mosley?

  I really.

• 49:31Speaker 04

  Questions that need answers. It really does. Just messy. Just sloppy.

• 49:36Laci Mosley?

  Cause if I'm sitting in the school every day, I'm a teacher, I'm underpaid. I see Frank Tesor- uh, Frank Tassone is no longer driving Clitoris. All of a sudden, he wearing Gucci. And he got all the pomade in his hair. He smell like the nigga from Axe body spray. And I'm still looking at a hole in the roof.

• 49:55Speaker 04

  Right. It's raining on my kid's head in the middle of all this.

• 49:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, literally raining on their head. So she getting her house upgraded in the Hamptons, honey. She basically living the life from the affair. Which is one of my favorite white people being rich and sad TV shows guys.

• 50:11Speaker 04

  Say, white people be having problems, don't they?

• 50:15Laci Mosley?

  Oh, they just be fucking and crying and it's just the flavor, you know?

• 50:22Laci Mosley?

  They do though.

• 50:25Laci Mosley?

  Like, I wanna have a life where my problems are so few that I can focus on a fight at the PTA. Like, that could be what's bothering me all week.

• 50:35Speaker 04

  What a luxury, what a luxury.

• 50:38Laci Mosley?

  Oh, oh, sometimes I watch it and I escape, you know, I can't even be mad at it, I'm like.

• 50:43Speaker 04

  You pretend your name is Carol.

• 50:45Laci Mosley?

  Brought them gluten free cookies, right?

• 50:48Speaker 04

  Yes, you should write her a long sternly worded email about how short her pants were in the middle, you should.

• 50:57Laci Mosley?

  And that's enough drama for me, I'm like, yes, I am enthralled.

• 51:04Laci Mosley?

  So Pam is out here living that life, honey, she bought jet skis, dog food, lavish home goods. In October two thousand two, I know, right, she, look, Pam is taking care of her dog, unlike Amy, okay?

• 51:19Laci Mosley?

  So, in October two thousand two, superintendent for business Pamela Gluckin was discovered to have stolen two hundred fifty thousand dollars. A little did they know, that's like the tip of the iceberg, she done been stealing, stealing. The theft was uncovered when a Home Depot employee became suspicious when Gluckin's son, John McCormick, used Roslyn School's credit card to purchase construction material to be delivered to his home. It was later found that McCormick had purchased eighty five thousand dollars worth of supplies for his contractor business using Roslyn, the Roslyn School District credit card.

• 51:50Speaker 04

  And this is her son?

• 51:51Laci Mosley?

  My question, this is her son.

• 51:54Speaker 04

  He's on punishment.

• 51:55Laci Mosley?

  So I'm gonna go ahead and infer that her son's an asshole.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, let's assume.

• 51:59Laci Mosley?

  And here's why.

• 52:00Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 52:01Laci Mosley?

  Because.

• 52:03Laci Mosley?

  A Home Depot employee became suspicious when he used the school district's credit card? If I worked at Home Depot, I don't think I'm checking the origin of the credit card that I'm swiping.

• 52:22Laci Mosley?

  He did buy eighty-five thousand dollars worth of supplies, so maybe

• 52:28Laci Mosley?

  he was like, this is a big purchase. Who is this guy?

• 52:33Laci Mosley?

  But whatever it is, the hater jumped out of this Home Depot, man.

• 52:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think that makes sense. Like, I would do some petty shit like that if you went my line acting a asshole while I'm at work minding my business. Like, oh, really? I'm moving too slow? Let's see who owned this credit card then, motherfucker. You all look like a Roslin, hoe.

• 52:54Laci Mosley?

  You don't look like a Roslin.

• 52:59Laci Mosley?

  I'd never want to piss you off, Tracy.

• 53:00Speaker 04

  Hey, good idea.

• 53:01Laci Mosley?

  And have a nice day. And have a nice day. Cause it will be one of the last ones, one of the last nice days you have, bitch.

• 53:09Speaker 04

  Just might. Alright, so your mama did my fair hat.

• 53:12Laci Mosley?

  Time to ruin you. Right. Cause I'm like, this is a hater. They're like, otherwise, why? Why would you turn this person in? But anyway, so this is the movie and getting caught. So making the movie even more surreal for the Long Island town is the fact that Bad Education was written by one of the school's former students, Mike Morowski, who attended Roslin Middle School as a student when Tassone was arrested. Frank Tassone was the first person I met at Roslin. This is what Mike says. He told Vanity Fair this last month. Oh, he talking to Vanity Fair? He came up.

• 53:50Speaker 04

  He put that education in good use.

• 53:53Laci Mosley?

  Right, this is a good education. I don't know what you're talking about. So he said he met him at age six. And in real life, Tassone's story was investigated by a student reporter, Rebecca Rombaum. Rombaum got a tip about the real reason behind Gluckin's firing, and her story led to authorities and major news outlets catching on to this years-long con. So the other little girl was just writing for the student newspaper, and she got some TT. She got that hot Lipton. And all of a sudden, she getting everybody locked up. Can you imagine? Like, you just write for the Roslin Eagle Tide.

• 54:31Speaker 04

  The Roslyn Rambler. It's Stephanie Crenshaw with The Roslyn Rambler. Everybody got fired today. It's all my fault.

• 54:40Laci Mosley?

  Right. Today, we're talking fraud. I've been speaking with these authorities at the NYPD station.

• 54:50Speaker 04

  Can you say?

• 54:51Laci Mosley?

  We're coming to you live.

• 54:52Speaker 04

  Boys and girls.

• 54:56Laci Mosley?

  Why are the kids reporting on this? Like, this is how cheap the school district was.

• 55:06Laci Mosley?

  I'm tru- I'm truly obsessed. So Rebecca got the tea and then the news of the authorities are opening up the Roslyn Rambler like, maybe we should look into this. Are these kids onto a major fraud?

• 55:20Speaker 04

  Also, should we hire her?

• 55:23Speaker 04

  Should she be working for a real estate?

• 55:27Laci Mosley?

  Because this is kind of embarrassing. We are all adults. And we were just like, oh, she took 250K. Seems normal and we closed the case. And the kids are saying no.

• 55:37Speaker 04

  They said, uh, uh, uh, you thought.

• 55:40Laci Mosley?

  So Tassan and Gluckin tried to cover their tracks by roping in conspirators and sharing the cash. District employees. So they were like, all right, y'all, everybody.

• 55:52Speaker 04

  On the count of three, let's hold hands. Still a whole lot of money.

• 55:56Laci Mosley?

  There's still a lot of money, y'all. And if you would like to become a part of the crime as well, we could see that happening.

• 56:04Speaker 04

  Please sign up for the crime on this sheet. It will be on my office door later.

• 56:11Laci Mosley?

  If you would like to participate in the crime, please tear off one of the numbers at the bottom of this flyer.

• 56:18Laci Mosley?

  Because, listen, justice, justice don't pay the bills. Okay? That's what the newsletter would say. Justice don't pay the bills. Okay?

• 56:25Speaker 04

  Oh, man.

• 56:28Laci Mosley?

  So district employees with oversight jobs were given bonuses. Deborah Reggiano, Gluckin's niece, worked as an accounting clerk, oh, convenient, for the Roslin Schools and stole more than eight hundred fifty thousand dollars. Seventy-four unauthorized Roslin School credit cards were circulated among the district employees and their friends and family members. So everybody was getting a coin from Roslin School District. Also, like, y'all, y'all couldn't just chill a little bit?

• 56:54Speaker 04

  They wanted to get calm, is what it sounds like.

• 56:56Laci Mosley?

  Y'all were robbing, robbing.

• 56:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 56:58Laci Mosley?

  Fix the roof. I'll take it over the roof.

• 57:01Speaker 04

  At least do that first and then I'll give you some credit cards. But like, I just feel like if I was the type of person who could do such a thing, which I can't because number one, I have a conscience, which I really fucking hate. Number two, I'm a bad liar, so I would not make a great scammer. But if I was and I had like millions, if I scammed five hundred thousand dollars from somebody, I will splurge and like get like a extra like, I don't know, something at the, at the.

• 57:30Laci Mosley?

  Scoop a guac at Chipotle?

• 57:32Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 57:33Laci Mosley?

  Like, I will have the guac today.

• 57:35Speaker 04

  Yes, I will. I do want cheese on my burger. Like, you gotta lay all the way low. I don't, I don't understand why people who are bad at crimes keep doing crimes. I just don't get it.

• 57:45Laci Mosley?

  It got too good to them. You know, that's the thing about scamming. It's about the high, too.

• 57:49Speaker 04

  Always chasing that dragon.

• 57:51Laci Mosley?

  So Gluckin was sentenced to three to nine years in prison for stealing four point nine million dollars. She was released in two thousand eleven. Unfortunately, she passed away in twenty seventeen. But Mikowski opted to not reach out to his former superintendent when writing his screenplay. Instead, speaking to teachers, PDA members, and other taxpayers who had interacted with Tassone. He said, "I knew the film was called Bad Education, but it's a bit of a misnomer in that regard. I had an incredible education there, and I think it's largely in part strangely due to this man Frank Tassone." Yeah, he gave you a great education. You're talking Vanity Fair, bruh. Sounds like your life is going well.

• 58:31Laci Mosley?

  And he said he recruited most, Frank Tassone recruited most of the teachers, and they were one of the top-ranked schools in the country, which is true. So now, the superintendentarian.

• 58:42Speaker 04

  That's an official title. I believe you.

• 58:46Laci Mosley?

  Is forbidden from holding any job that requires handling money.

• 58:51Speaker 04

  Damn, he done fucked it up.

• 58:53Laci Mosley?

  He currently lives a low profile life in New York. But he still receives his pensions, which according to state law, they're entitled to earn for the rest of their lives, even despite their felony convictions. So Frank Tassone makes a hundred and seventy-three thousand dollars annually.

• 59:12Speaker 04

  Wow, scam of the century, wow.

• 59:18Laci Mosley?

  Now, listen, am I mad that he's getting his pension? Absolutely not. It seems like he did make the school district wonderful. He, he made a great school district. He also just robbed them blind.

• 59:30Speaker 04

  I'm confused as to how he was able to do both, because doesn't it take money to improve and have one of like the best schools in the nation? Like, he was just like that good?

• 59:40Laci Mosley?

  Spending some of it on the teachers, but just like, I think he was in there like, one for you, four for me. Two for you, nine for me.

• 59:51Speaker 04

  Wow, and now he's just chilling. A hundred plus a year. Is he single? He married? Is he happy?

• 59:58Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 59:58Speaker 04

  I'm not asking for me, I'm asking for, uh.

• 1:00:01Laci Mosley?

  Is you happy? Okay, T I. Is you happy?

• 1:00:08Laci Mosley?

  So in two thousand five, he wrote a letter to the New York Times, refuting aspects of their coverage. He said, "My lush life that you write about included fourteen hour days for many years while I moved in the district forward and met many goals of the Board of Education. I hope the hardworking mothers and fathers of Roslyn also remember how much the schools have improved, besides the roof, as a result of my leadership. Their real estate values have increased like nowhere else in the country, primarily because of the schools. The student population increased by thirty-three percent during my twelve years in the district." So he said, "Look, was I robbing y'all? Absolutely. Was I also doing my job while I robbed you? For sure."

• 1:00:47Speaker 04

  And doesn't educator not deserve more money anyway? Hell, yeah. Ergo.

• 1:00:52Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 1:00:53Speaker 04

  Leave me alone.

• 1:00:56Laci Mosley?

  Everyone's happy.

• 1:00:58Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:00:58Laci Mosley?

  Who was hurt here?

• 1:01:00Speaker 04

  Except for yo hate mass.

• 1:01:01Laci Mosley?

  Right, everybody got what they wanted. What'd you want us to do with these bu- what school district needs millions and millions of dollars? None.

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  I wonder if he has like a vendetta against the, the girl on the student newspaper? Like I would've gotten away with it if it wasn't for you pesky kids. And your little newspaper.

• 1:01:18Laci Mosley?

  And it literally is for the meddling kids in that little newspaper.

• 1:01:24Laci Mosley?

  Shout out to these children.

• 1:01:25Speaker 04

  Yes, journalism.

• 1:01:27Laci Mosley?

  This is my favorite, but also least favorite part of the show because after this I have to let Tracy go.

• 1:01:32Speaker 04

  Oh, I miss you already.

• 1:01:34Laci Mosley?

  Scammer of the week. I know, this has been so fun. I love when you connect with someone on the internet and then you meet them and you're like, oh, I, I I'm blessed with you on that division.

• 1:01:44Speaker 04

  Oh, okay, so I'll be on the next episode then, great.

• 1:01:46Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:01:50Laci Mosley?

  Uh, Tracy has taken over the podcast. Yeah, I, I had this, I had a letter. I mean, have you, have you heard Strong Black Lead? Had you seen it? I had, I didn't have a choice.

• 1:02:01Laci Mosley?

  It's fine. I ain't even wanna do it no more.

• 1:02:05Laci Mosley?

  I ain't even wanna do my show.

• 1:02:07Speaker 04

  Silly.

• 1:02:09Laci Mosley?

  So, Scammer of the Week, guys, and this is in the zeitgeist as well. Uh, it's, it's a queen, a problematic queen who I adore so much. Tyra Banks.

• 1:02:21Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 1:02:23Laci Mosley?

  And can I just say, before, before I tell y'all what Tyra was doing. Tyra Banks honored herself during Black History Month on her show once. And it was such an inspirational moment for me. Uh, she talked about how she was the first black woman to have the Sports Illustrated cover and then put the cover, blew it up, and like showed it to the audience and then commenced into speaking about herself. So highly. For Black History Month.

• 1:02:56Speaker 04

  You know, the barriers that I was able to break and the doors that I could open for everyone else in the miley world.

• 1:03:01Laci Mosley?

  You're joking, but she was saying that.

• 1:03:03Speaker 04

  I believe it. It's humbling, really.

• 1:03:06Laci Mosley?

  Is it?

• 1:03:08Laci Mosley?

  Is it? Don't seem humble.

• 1:03:10Speaker 04

  I know. Oh, she is a mess.

• 1:03:14Laci Mosley?

  She's a mess. Recently, Tyra Banks came under fire because people were, you know, were all bored in quarantine. We're digging up old videos of Tyra Banks doing very problematic things on America's Next Top Model, like making models wear blackface, bullying them into cutting their hair and getting painful weaves.

• 1:03:33Speaker 04

  There was always that one white girl who had never gotten a weave before. They gave her a sew in and she's just like into it.

• 1:03:38Laci Mosley?

  And a bad one. They would give her a sew in when they were ripping the hair from her head and be like, this is how it goes. I'm like, is it?

• 1:03:48Laci Mosley?

  No, it'd be like rip her scalp out.

• 1:03:50Speaker 04

  It's not normal. It's not normal. Poor little thing. My scalp hurts like so bad and like it is like when I go to sleep, but like I can't because like, how do black girls do this?

• 1:04:00Laci Mosley?

  Right. And they would be beet red, just crying and shit. But listen, was it top tier reality television? Absolutely. Was it problematic as fuck? You bet your ass.

• 1:04:12Speaker 04

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:04:13Laci Mosley?

  I gotta read this tweet because this isn't even, I'm gonna tell you what Tyra's scammer of the week for, but I have to read this tweet that she had. If you haven't seen it, she said, been seeing the posts about the insensitivity from some of the past America's Next Top Model moments, and I agree with you. Looking back, those were some really off choices. Appreciate your honest feedback and I'm sending you so much love and virtual hugs.

• 1:04:36Speaker 04

  And definitely not apologizing.

• 1:04:40Laci Mosley?

  Someone on Twitter said Tyra Banks is my favorite white woman and I died.

• 1:04:49Laci Mosley?

  My white Nubian queen.

• 1:04:51Speaker 04

  I mean, yes.

• 1:04:52Laci Mosley?

  My white Nubian queen.

• 1:04:56Laci Mosley?

  So let me tell you what my white Nubian queen did. Someone, someone had, uh, was a part of her multi-level marketing scheme. Yes, Tyra Banks had a multi-level marketing scheme. Uh, this person says, I made a whopping twenty-seven seventy-five selling Tyra Banks beauty products. When I was ten, a friend invited me to her mom's Mary Kay party. I couldn't resist the opportunity to try it myself, so I signed up to be a beauty tainer. A member of Tyra's sales force, a beauty tainer.

• 1:05:27Speaker 04

  That sound like some Tyra ass shit. I believe everything this woman's about to say. I believe all of it.

• 1:05:34Laci Mosley?

  Tyra, you, we gave you smyes, okay? We gave you smyes. It's a part of the zeitgeist. We all love it.

• 1:05:40Speaker 04

  Also, Booch. Do you remember Booch? The booty tooch? Yeah, we love her.

• 1:05:45Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, the booty tooch. Yeah, I, I still use those poses to this very day. Anytime I'm posing with my arm, I separate it from my body so that it doesn't look wider than it is. Like, I still use my Tyra tricks.

• 1:05:57Speaker 04

  Tyra got talent. She's just also really ridiculous.

• 1:06:01Laci Mosley?

  Really ridiculous. So, so this, this, this young child becomes a beauty tainer at ten years old. She says, my friend's mom, Leigh Anne, which of course Leigh Anne is selling Tyra Banks beauty. Where's the lie? Explained, to be an active beauty tainer, I needed to sell a hundred fifty dollars of products in the first month. Or buy a hundred fifty dollars of products myself that I can then show potential buyers. The brand doesn't give free samples to start with at all. Wow. I also had to pay a fifty-nine dollar fee to enroll. And after I paid my fees and ordered the products, Leigh Anne suggested the six-minute tie-over kit.

• 1:06:42Laci Mosley?

  The smyes eyeshadow palette, the stick with me makeup selling spritz. These are some long titles for, this is how you know the product don't work. Why the product the sentence?

• 1:06:55Speaker 04

  It's water.

• 1:06:56Laci Mosley?

  The, the oops eyeliner and the menagerie brow. All amazing, she said. So she said she'd spent two hundred thirty-one, why you got two hundred thirty-one dollars and you ten years old?

• 1:07:11Speaker 04

  First of all, who you been scamming?

• 1:07:16Laci Mosley?

  Right, so but spending money was only temporary. If I sold a hundred fifty dollars in products, I'd make twenty five cent per twenty five percent commission. That's really low. I feel like if I bought the products and then I sold the products, don't I keep all the profit?

• 1:07:35Speaker 04

  I mean, that's what I would think. I don't know how to do math in business though, so who knows? Who knows?

• 1:07:42Laci Mosley?

  I'm not a beauty tainer. I'm I'm I'm nobody's beauty tainer, okay? But but I'm pretty sure this man will add up.

• 1:07:53Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 1:07:55Laci Mosley?

  So.

• 1:07:56Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:07:57Laci Mosley?

  He she would make a twenty five percent commission, which is only thirty seven fifty if she sold a hundred fifty dollars with the products. But if I sold five hundred dollars, I'd get an additional five percent. And if I hit a thousand, I'd get an additional ten percent. So at a thousand dollars, you can make thirty five percent of your own profits. That's crazy. So they said that I'd make even more money if I enrolled another beauty tainer. And I'd get three percent of that person's sales as well. This is an MLM, Tyra.

• 1:08:30Speaker 04

  Wow, I did not know this happened. Was is this like a thing that everybody is aware of?

• 1:08:35Laci Mosley?

  It's in the zeitgeist, but a lot of people don't know, because I mean, look, Tyra Banks was cranking out so much problematic shit at one time. It was like, how do you keep up? It's like when Trump gets on Twitter, like he says so much crazy shit that nothing seems crazy anymore.

• 1:08:49Speaker 04

  Right, right.

• 1:08:50Laci Mosley?

  I'm like, I'm like, yeah. He talking about somebody is a murderer on Twitter? Sounds about right. Oh, he said he gonna start taking insulin? Cool.

• 1:09:00Laci Mosley?

  I mean, the nigga said he was gonna nuke a hurricane. I at this point, I I have no shock. We're talking about the man who stared directly.

• 1:09:10Speaker 04

  Into the fucking eclipse.

• 1:09:11Laci Mosley?

  Insect. Yes, he stared into the eclipse and that's when I said, you know what, it's over for us.

• 1:09:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, we're doomed.

• 1:09:18Laci Mosley?

  This man wants to show you that his eyes are stronger than the sun.

• 1:09:23Speaker 04

  That's how you know.

• 1:09:24Laci Mosley?

  I'm your fearless leader.

• 1:09:25Speaker 04

  His is so small, it's so small. He does all this shit to just prove, like, look how manly I am. I'm not gonna wear a mask during a pandemic because my balls are so big. Shut up. They are not.

• 1:09:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:35Speaker 04

  Sit.

• 1:09:36Laci Mosley?

  You might have a small dick if you trying to fight the sun.

• 1:09:41Speaker 04

  If you try to.

• 1:09:41Laci Mosley?

  If you gotta show everybody you're a bigger man than the sun.

• 1:09:47Speaker 04

  You know, I don't like the way it shines all the time. I have to go to sleep sometimes, but the sun does it. I don't like it.

• 1:09:52Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:09:52Speaker 04

  I'm gonna bomb the sun.

• 1:09:53Laci Mosley?

  For all of us, it's a metaphor. When we say, don't try to steal your shine, it's a metaphor. For Donald Trump, no, he's really beefing with the sun. He doesn't like that it's brighter than him. He doesn't like that it gets more attention.

• 1:10:07Speaker 04

  Or that it's orangier. He wants to be the orange one.

• 1:10:09Laci Mosley?

  Right, it is orangier than him. It's not right. I, I agree with him. I also am beefing with the sun.

• 1:10:18Speaker 04

  Oh shit.

• 1:10:19Laci Mosley?

  So, Tyra's beauty lines, we're getting to the end of this, but I just, this is so ridiculous. Um, so obviously it's an MLM. You sell, you recruit, um, and then you get, okay, and then there's a cer- certain point where you can reach diamond beauty tainer, which is the highest level, which comes with so many perks that feels like Tyra's just blowing her America's Next Top Model fortune. I felt rich. So I guess this person has really worked in this and got to diamond beauty tainer.

• 1:10:49Speaker 04

  A diamond. Go ahead, girl.

• 1:10:51Laci Mosley?

  Right? Tyra's beauty oops liners are pretty cool with black liquid eyeliner on one side and an eraser on the other to get rid of the bleed and the crooked handiwork. Oh, that actually is a good, like, it's called oops, so when you mess up your eyeliner, you can just erase it. Right?

• 1:11:09Speaker 04

  Also, like, I'm feeling something, like, how you know I'm gonna mess up? Like, maybe I don't need an eraser. I do, I do though.

• 1:11:16Laci Mosley?

  No, they do. We do.

• 1:11:19Laci Mosley?

  It's like, look, we know you don't know how to do eyeliner, girl. Now, go get this oops. And this was back in the time of the very aggressive swoop, where you know, you used to have like the snooky, like, the angle going up towards the eyebrow.

• 1:11:30Speaker 04

  The, the Amy Winehouse joint.

• 1:11:32Laci Mosley?

  Yes, the Amy Winehouse. We were all like, I told ya, I was trouble.

• 1:11:37Speaker 04

  I was.

• 1:11:41Laci Mosley?

  Had my eyeliner going into my temple. Had my eyeliner going right into my forehead, okay?

• 1:11:47Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 1:11:48Laci Mosley?

  I was ready.

• 1:11:51Laci Mosley?

  So, guys, this is, this is gonna be a long episode. I'm gonna skip some of these details. I'm like, you are really getting into it.

• 1:12:00Laci Mosley?

  But, so, Leanne says, make a list of your friends, hit 'em up, all the MLM stuff, right?

• 1:12:07Laci Mosley?

  And then, hoping to step my game up, I invited five friends over for a tie-over party. I prepped, buying makeup, sponges, tissues, disposable mascara wands, and twice as much wine and snacks than six people could consume. Okay, so you gotta be an adult at this point.

• 1:12:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm like ten years old.

• 1:12:26Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:12:27Laci Mosley?

  When, when did you become an adult, girl?

• 1:12:31Speaker 04

  Cause I was like a ten-year-old. Diamond status? That's impressive.

• 1:12:36Laci Mosley?

  I think that this, okay, when this person was ten, they went to a Mary Kay party. So I think that that's what interested them in beauty products. And then by the time they graduated to Tyra Banks, they were an adult. Cause I was like, wait a minute.

• 1:12:50Speaker 04

  Okay, so that's how they got alcohol. All right. I was like, it's a whole nother scam in and of itself.

• 1:12:56Laci Mosley?

  Right, we really had to walk that one back. Um, but yeah, so,

• 1:13:01Laci Mosley?

  so selling makeup to your friends is weird. Everyone at the party was afraid to take the first chip. All of us just stood there looking at Smokey Smize's palettes, like we'd never seen eyeshadow before. Their assessment of tie-overs are mixed. The eye pencil, the mascaras are hits, whatever. So, um, she's basically having this party and trying to get everybody to hop on board. All told, throughout this whole experience, and obviously this person made it to diamond status in Tyra's MLM, she said that she made twenty-seven seventy-five for her first month as a beauty tainer. I suppose I could have kept going and tried to make the rest of the initial investment, but I'm not going to. I'll just use the products I have I left myself.

• 1:13:41Speaker 04

  Wow, so was this twenty seven dollars or?

• 1:13:46Laci Mosley?

  Twenty seven dollars, so I think that that's like profit.

• 1:13:50Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:13:51Laci Mosley?

  So after spending, yeah, after spending all this money and trying to get to diamond status and all this other shit, tricking her friends, getting them drunk, imagine getting real drunk on wine. You wake up and you're in a MLM.

• 1:14:05Speaker 04

  Right, you're like, wait, wait, wait, wait, but hold on, hold on, hold on. Where all this mascara come from? And where's my checkbook?

• 1:14:11Laci Mosley?

  Why is my, why are my eyes running and why am I in a MLM?

• 1:14:17Speaker 04

  Where is Tyra Banks? I have questions.

• 1:14:20Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Tyra, shout out to a problematic queen. You're still my favorite white woman.

• 1:14:28Speaker 04

  She's hanging in there though, man. She, uh, she.

• 1:14:32Laci Mosley?

  I'm glad you quietly stopped this MLM and just like shut it down.

• 1:14:37Speaker 04

  Like, I, when did it happen? Like recently?

• 1:14:42Laci Mosley?

  So she closed her direct sales business in twenty seventeen.

• 1:14:49Laci Mosley?

  And, um, but it looks like it was operating for at least a couple of years because it was in the beta period in twenty fifteen. Uh, and she was calling it direct sales, which we all know is multi-level marketing.

• 1:15:05Speaker 04

  Wow, wow, she just continues.

• 1:15:07Laci Mosley?

  Shout out to a queen.

• 1:15:09Speaker 04

  Shout out to our white Nubian queen, Ms. Tyra Banks herself.

• 1:15:14Laci Mosley?

  And on that, and on that exact note, guys, thank you so much for listening. This is a long, fun episode. I hope you had fun. I got to keep Tracy's.

• 1:15:26Laci Mosley?

  As always, snitch on your friends and family at [email protected]. You can find us online at scamgoddesspod on all platforms. You can find me at D I V A L A C I diva Lacy on all platforms. And we always ask Tracy, where do you want to be found?

• 1:15:42Speaker 04

  I love that question so much. Um, do not find me in real life.

• 1:15:47Speaker 04

  I'm in quarantine and my hair, listen, has not seen a drop of water. Um, you can find me on the social medias at Broken McPoverty, namely Instagram and Twitter. Um, also on, um, podcast situations, what do you call them? I'm really bad at this part.

• 1:16:04Speaker 04

  Listen to Strong Black Legends.

• 1:16:07Speaker 04

  Whatever, wherever you get your podcasts.

• 1:16:09Laci Mosley?

  The Netflix podcast?

• 1:16:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, that one, that one. Sorry, everybody.

• 1:16:14Laci Mosley?

  It's a pretty big deal, Tracy. It's like, you know, I don't know all the things that I do where I interview legends. Listen to that.

• 1:16:20Speaker 04

  In my defense, I have been sweating in this little fort stewed, so I'm probably delirious.

• 1:16:27Laci Mosley?

  Thank you for your sacrifice.

• 1:16:29Speaker 04

  Absolutely. Um, follow me on the things. I have so many new podcast projects coming out, so as soon as I'm allowed to announce those, um, uh, please listen and subscribe because your grub needs to keep some money in her pocket. Thank you.

• 1:16:43Laci Mosley?

  Yes, coins, absolutely. All right, congregation. Stay skee.

• 1:16:48Speaker 04

  I'm goddess.

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• 1:18:31Laci Mosley?

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