Fraud Friday: The Fake Bootsy Collins w/ Ian Lara

This week, comedian Ian Lara (Ian Lara: Romantic Comedy) joins Laci to discuss how several imposters tried to target Bootsy Collins, one of the most impactful, long-standing figures in the tapestry of American music, especially R&B, funk and pop. Plus, a Californian man is arrested for theft after stealing money from his Grindr hookups. Stay Schemin’! (Originally released 01/09/2023) CON-gregation, keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Ian Lara: @ianlaralive Research by Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/bootsy-collins-impostor-fake-crime-1234629225/ https://nypost.com/2022/11/23/california-man-gets-prison-sentence-for-robbing-men-he-met-on-grindr/

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:46Speaker 02

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• 2:36Speaker 03

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• 2:43Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 3:24Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess, and we're back with another installment of Scam Goddess, the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Each week I bring on some of my favorite, most hilarious comedians, and we get into it. And guys, you know, I'm very, yes, excited. Oh, it's so good to hear from y'all. Y'all having a good, y'all having a good week? Oh, I hate to hear that. Okay, good for you. Come on, Pure Social. Yes, I am very excited. Today, we have an amazing stand-up comedian. He's a rising comic who's been featured on Comedy Central, HBO, Latinos Internos franchise, and NBC's The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon. Check out his new

• 4:04Laci Mosley?

  HBO Max comedy special entitled Romantic Comedy, directed by comedian and friend of the show, Aida Regres. Yes, love that New York queen. Congregation, please welcome Ian Lara to the show. Hi, Ian.

• 4:18Speaker 05

  Hey, hey, thank you so much for having me. That was such a great introduction. I appreciate it.

• 4:21Laci Mosley?

  Thank you so much for being here. Okay, so I'm guessing from the rundown here, I didn't know, are you Afro-Latino?

• 4:27Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 4:28Laci Mosley?

  Where are you from?

• 4:29Speaker 05

  Dominican.

• 4:31Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I used to be fake Dominican. I speak Spanish, so then people would be like, are you Dominican? I'd be like, I say, yo soy dominicana, my name, forty one more than.

• 4:39Speaker 05

  Where, where are you from?

• 4:41Laci Mosley?

  I'm from Texas.

• 4:43Speaker 05

  Oh, how, why do you speak Spanish?

• 4:45Laci Mosley?

  Cause I'm from Texas.

• 4:46Speaker 05

  Oh, alright, got it.

• 4:48Laci Mosley?

  I saw on your Instagram a very funny video of you wishing everybody like a happy day or happy holiday or something. You're like, this is not about my new haircut. This is not about.

• 4:59Speaker 05

  That was my Thanksgiving post.

• 5:03Laci Mosley?

  I said, not the Thanksgiving, that's true.

• 5:04Speaker 05

  I was trying to reach out to the fans.

• 5:08Speaker 05

  It's, look, it just so happened I got a haircut that day. It just so happened. It had nothing to do with me making a reel.

• 5:14Laci Mosley?

  That was a scam and it's something, that's hitting several angles, talking about, you know, I just wanna tell all the people out there. And then all the poses, I was like, sir, please.

• 5:24Speaker 05

  Look, pure coincidence, pure coincidence.

• 5:26Laci Mosley?

  And I love that for you. So, yeah, we always ask on this show, what's your relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you ever been scammed? Have you been running these scams? I know you live in New York, so I know you're scam-adjacent.

• 5:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm definitely scam-adjacent. I grew up, I'm from Queens, New York, where like, I grew up, especially when I was in high school, there was a whole thing of scammers who were going on, who were running different type of scams. I never personally been in one. And I can't remember if I've been scammed, I probably have, but I definitely grew up scam-adjacent.

• 5:57Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 5:57Speaker 05

  But I'm pro a good scam.

• 5:59Laci Mosley?

  Right, as long as it's punching up, it's not punching down. But living in New York, I know you were at least like, in the cul-de-sac of scams, like, they were, they were next door.

• 6:07Speaker 05

  I had illegal cable, that's a scam, right?

• 6:10Laci Mosley?

  Yes, it's one of my favorite scam. Okay, see, what are you playing? Okay, so you gotta tell me.

• 6:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, I forgot, I forgot. Sometimes you normalize it so much that you're like, this is not even a scam, this is just what everyone got.

• 6:20Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I love that. Normalize robbery, okay? It's just something we do.

• 6:24Speaker 05

  Right.

• 6:25Laci Mosley?

  Okay, like you said, just do it. And no, that's what we do. But wait, so how did you get your illegal cable? Cause there's like, you would have to snitch telonames, but there's a lot of different ways to do it. You can do like the jailbroken Roku. You can get somebody who comes to the house, who works for the company. Like, what, how did it come to be?

• 6:41Speaker 05

  Well, growing up, I had, growing, I mean, I, I come from a long line of illegal cable users, so.

• 6:47Laci Mosley?

  That's a lineage.

• 6:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, it's a long line. I I was kinda grandfathered in to the illegal cable. So growing up, I remember like you when it was just cable, like we would install cable and then the cable guy would come to install it. And then my mom or my sister would like treat him super nice, like offer him coffee, something to drink, just treat him very nice. And at the end, I'll be like, hey, uh, so how about you flip that switch, you know, and open up that box for us? And he used to do that. And then then it became a thing. Now I I got like a family member who just sells cable, like that's like his job. Sells illegal cable.

• 7:22Laci Mosley?

  I love that he became the cable company. He was like, no, I.

• 7:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:25Laci Mosley?

  He's not DirecTV, he's not Spectrum. He's like, I sell cable, I do cable. Would you like me to do it to you?

• 7:31Speaker 05

  That's we, it's funny like, cause sometimes it goes out and you'll call him like he's like customer service, like he'll put you on hold with like music. I'm like, where you get music?

• 7:40Laci Mosley?

  It's just music he recorded.

• 7:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's just like the MTV old school eighties music playing in the background. I'm like, where you get this service from? And he'll hook it up like that's his job.

• 7:51Laci Mosley?

  Yo, he elevated. I I would say he's actually.

• 7:53Speaker 05

  That's what I'm saying, you normalize.

• 7:56Laci Mosley?

  He created a profession where there was none, and I love that for him. And he got good customer service, cause usually when you get the bootleg cable, that's it. You just hope it works, you pray. But if it goes out, you can't call anybody and be like, hey, I stole some cable.

• 8:09Speaker 05

  No, he don't have good customer service. You'll call him, he'll be doing something, he'll put you on hold and it'll be music playing. But then you'll hear like fighting in the background. I'm like, you're supposed to go to like a waiting room. It's not supposed to be like music playing. And then he's fighting with his wife in the kitchen.

• 8:25Laci Mosley?

  Okay, well, that to me is bootleg cable, high quality service. Okay, he did put you on hold. He had to get through a dispute real quick and then he's gonna get back to you. Think about, I was on hold with Bank of America for like forty minutes yesterday and they still didn't fix what I needed them to fix. So at least if I heard, I was on Bank of America and they were like, please hold. And in the back I heard like, Tisha, you raggedy bitch, you ain't even get these account numbers right. That's why I'm on hold right now. Like I would be like, okay, they fighting for me.

• 8:52Speaker 05

  You're right. I never looked at it like that. I never looked at it like that.

• 8:56Laci Mosley?

  But I love.

• 8:56Speaker 05

  Although it's hard to, it's hard to think they're fighting for you when you hear his wife complaining that he didn't come home last night, right? You're like, I don't think I have anything to do with this.

• 9:04Laci Mosley?

  I think he is still fighting for you because how is he gonna get to provide his cable service from his home office if he gets booted out of his home office? If his wife kick him out.

• 9:13Speaker 05

  Bro, he's like, I'm trying to, I'm trying to feed the family. Yeah.

• 9:17Laci Mosley?

  He's fighting for his brick and mortar so he can continue to provide services. This is what I heard.

• 9:21Speaker 05

  Right.

• 9:22Laci Mosley?

  She was about to put him out. So then where you gonna get your cable from?

• 9:26Speaker 05

  Never looked at it that way, but you're absolutely correct.

• 9:29Laci Mosley?

  But I love that for you. I love that cable was passed down in your family like a family heirloom. Everyone just doing blue light cable. That's beautiful. That's really beautiful. Well, we're gonna take a quick break for some non scam advertisements and we will be right back with what's hot and fraud.

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• 12:39Laci Mosley?

  And we are back, and it's time for What's Hot and Fry, the segment where we warn our listeners about popping scams on the street. Or more often than not these days, we get a letter from you guys. As always, snitch on your friends and family at [email protected]. Just make sure your scam is retired, because we don't want to what? Yes, fuck up your bag. Amen. And I have to say, y'all have been coming in with the spiciest letters. I read this, and I about died. So let's get into it. I do need something from you, Ian. If you could just give me a fake name, we don't care about gender, it could be any name for this letter.

• 13:11Speaker 05

  Gustavo.

• 13:13Laci Mosley?

  Gustavo. Okay, I love it. Hey, Gustavo. Okay. So Gustavo says, "Hi, Lacey. Hello, congregation." Okay, you addressing the congregation. You really getting up in church and giving a testimony? So, a few years ago, I had to live in a small town while my wife went to grad school. That way she could have a closer commute. We had to find ourselves a cheap apartment since we would be living on one income. When we found the apartment, we had downstairs neighbors who were always nice to us. So, I mean, like, like your mom, like, the neighbors are really nice, maybe offering some coffee.

• 13:44Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 13:45Laci Mosley?

  Pop a cable box or two.

• 13:46Speaker 05

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 13:47Laci Mosley?

  Love that. Also, I love the, the grift of a one-income household. Like, I wanna go to school if somebody else just pay while I live with them for love.

• 13:56Speaker 05

  I mean, that's the dream, yeah.

• 13:59Laci Mosley?

  I want love to pay my bills.

• 14:00Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 14:01Laci Mosley?

  That's nice.

• 14:01Speaker 05

  I understand.

• 14:02Laci Mosley?

  Has love ever paid a bill for you?

• 14:04Speaker 05

  No, come on. I, I mean the opposite. I've paid some bills in my day, but.

• 14:09Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I mean, you could be kept, somebody could keep you a little bit, treat you like a treat.

• 14:18Laci Mosley?

  No, okay, look at you painting your hair, and look at you rubbing on your hair, that you know looks great.

• 14:22Speaker 05

  Bringing up bad memories.

• 14:24Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no! I, okay, we don't wanna do that.

• 14:26Speaker 05

  I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

• 14:29Laci Mosley?

  Now I wanna know what the memory is, but you're stroking on them follicles that you like to show off, like something, something went on.

• 14:34Speaker 05

  I remember, I remember, look, that's a quick story. I remember when I was in college, like, I was actually in school, and my, my girlfriend at the time, she was like a nurse. She was like, graduated nurse, she was making like, good money, like, and I was making nothing. I was making like a hundred dollars a week. And even then, I still, like, when we went out, I still had to like, pay the, like, I still paid the bill, I still paid the thing, and I was like, completely poor. And she was like, making like, over a hundred K, and still, like, that was the, the, the dynamic.

• 15:03Laci Mosley?

  Okay, listen, I'm not mad at her.

• 15:04Speaker 05

  Me neither, I get it.

• 15:05Laci Mosley?

  But, but I will say though, like, there are times where e- everyone has lean times, and we don't have to lean on the patriarchy all the time. I'm just very weary of men giving my money to cis straight men, because you just, it's treacherous out here.

• 15:17Speaker 05

  Why? What does, what does gender have to do with it?

• 15:20Laci Mosley?

  Eating. Because men are notorious for being scammers. Every man is a scam, okay?

• 15:25Speaker 05

  Why?

• 15:26Laci Mosley?

  Some, some men are. Okay, how is this whole world built? And how does it work?

• 15:30Speaker 05

  Nah, yeah, I'm a scam. I don't wanna go down that.

• 15:34Laci Mosley?

  Look, it doesn't mean you personally have to be a scam, but the the concept of manhood is a scam. But I wanna ask, so if you were, you know, still showing up pampering, you know, taking care of your girl, pampering these dinners, where were y'all eating at?

• 15:49Speaker 05

  We were still going out, like, I would really, like, save up, like, to take her out. But in all fairness, we had a conver- I think she just didn't know, she just didn't realize, cuz we had a conversation about it where I was like, hey, I can't afford to do this, and then she was just like, alright, cool, and then she started paying for stuff. She just didn't, like,

• 16:07Laci Mosley?

  See that?

• 16:08Speaker 05

  It just didn't register to her that a man wouldn't have money.

• 16:11Laci Mosley?

  Alright, cuz they steal it all. She was like, you get paid way more than I do, all the dollars, so why wouldn't you have all the money?

• 16:17Speaker 05

  I'm like, yeah, but I'm your secretary, I don't make more than you.

• 16:21Laci Mosley?

  But that's good communication, that, but she don't know that because the way this world is set up, you could have been making more money.

• 16:28Speaker 05

  She was cool, she was cool. We just had to speak about it.

• 16:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah, I love that, good communication. And like, listen, I've I've paid, I've dated people where it was like, I had, you know, they had lean times, I had lean times or whatever, and I, we would pay, you know, for each other or whatever, I think that kinda reciprocity is dope.

• 16:44Speaker 05

  It's beautiful.

• 16:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but I do think it's funny that you were like so determined to like, continue to pay or whatever, and and I feel like you was at the end when the check came, just like a little bead of sweat.

• 16:56Speaker 05

  Well, the thing that broke the camel's back is one time, we were just having a conversation and she was like paying her credit card bill, and she was like, she literally just said this, like casually, she was like, oh my god, I spent five thousand dollars at Victoria's Secret last month, and I was like, what? And I'm paying these dinner, like, alright, this is it, I can't keep doing this.

• 17:16Laci Mosley?

  What kinda bombshells was she made?

• 17:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, she was, yeah.

• 17:20Laci Mosley?

  But Victoria's Secret still got that seven for twenty-five, right? She was gonna have.

• 17:23Speaker 05

  She was ballin', she was ballin', I didn't know she was living this lifestyle, she was ballin'. But I should've known, one time I I took her to like the Apple Store to like buy some stuff, and she bought like eight iPads.

• 17:33Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so you should've.

• 17:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm like, I'm not paying for dinner.

• 17:36Laci Mosley?

  Who did say iPads?

• 17:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, she brought like iPads for her entire family, she was like ballin' like that.

• 17:41Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's when we gotta, we gotta start talking, cuz the math is indeed not bad.

• 17:47Speaker 05

  Not not mathin' for sure.

• 17:49Laci Mosley?

  Oh my goodness. But so they're they're living together, one income household downstairs neighbors are real cool. So Gustavo says, one day he comes to our door and asks if I could lend him some money to send his son.

• 18:01Speaker 05

  Ooh.

• 18:01Laci Mosley?

  So two layers. Like he could just ask for money, but he's like, but it's also for a baby that I made. So getting some sympathy. Gustavo says, I gave him twenty dollars and he told me that he would pay me back that week. Mind you, we were on a super tight budget and had no extra money. I told my wife about this and immediately she said that I got played. I wanna pause there.

• 18:22Laci Mosley?

  Never lend more money than you cannot lose. If you need that twenty, you cannot give that twenty away.

• 18:29Speaker 05

  I learned that.

• 18:29Laci Mosley?

  Don't do it.

• 18:30Speaker 05

  But that's a lesson you gotta learn. You gotta learn that.

• 18:33Laci Mosley?

  You do, because if you give out that money every time you see that person, you gonna be looking at them like, oh, oh, you got money for Chick-fil-A, but you ain't got my twenty dollars? Or you got Starbucks money, but you got like, girl, you'll hate that person. You will fixate on them.

• 18:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:45Laci Mosley?

  And you'll be mad at yourself. So, wait, how did you learn that you can't lend people money that you don't have?

• 18:50Speaker 05

  I mean, even like when I started first doing stuff like in stand up, like when I first started making a little bit of money, like family, you know, e- even family, like they'll ask to borrow money. And then you lend it to them like, oh, like, yeah, sure, for sure, whatever you need. And then they just pretend that, you know, they just pretend that you never lent them nothing.

• 19:08Laci Mosley?

  That's when everybody gets amnesia.

• 19:09Speaker 05

  Yeah. And then and then you become like a asshole for being like, hey, how about that money that I lent you?

• 19:15Laci Mosley?

  Uh huh. And then if they gaslight you, like, what you need it so bad? Why you need it so bad?

• 19:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:19Laci Mosley?

  Uh, it's mine.

• 19:20Speaker 05

  It's my money. Yeah, I need this.

• 19:22Laci Mosley?

  It's so funny to me because we can't forget our childhood traumas. We can't forget the bad stuff that happens in our life, but let's nobody lend you some money that you don't wanna pay back. Amnesia.

• 19:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I've been lucky. I'm not saying that I won't, but I I really don't like to borrow money.

• 19:35Laci Mosley?

  Same.

• 19:36Speaker 05

  Yeah. I'll borrow money, like, let's say I go out and I first, I I lost my wallet. I don't have a wallet. Alright, I'll be like, hey, lend me this, but it's not money I don't have. It's money I'll just Venmo it you to you. Yeah, like, I I have the money. I don't borrow money I don't have. I mean, I've been lucky. Some people have to do it, right? They don't choose to do it. But some people choose to do it, like they'll borrow money to go party.

• 19:58Laci Mosley?

  Which is wild because.

• 20:00Speaker 05

  I've had that.

• 20:01Laci Mosley?

  And that's the worst, cuz I'm like you are now you in the club popping bottles on my dime?

• 20:05Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 20:05Laci Mosley?

  You ordering bottles of Andre with my coins?

• 20:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:08Laci Mosley?

  I'll kill you. No, that's that's the absolute worst is seeing people like living it up on money that's not theirs. Although I do cry, I'm proud of them because they were like, I'm not gonna party on my money, I'm partying with your money. But there was a time like when I was twenty, twenty-three or twenty-four, I think it was twenty-three. And I my car had gotten towed like twelve times. Those of you who have listened to this podcast know this. We're not going back into it. Don't judge me, Ian.

• 20:34Speaker 05

  What type of scam was you running?

• 20:37Speaker 05

  With the tow truck and insurance company?

• 20:40Laci Mosley?

  Bro, it was bad. I knew the exact price that it cost to get towed. Two eighty-three, as long as you picked it up on the first day, forty dollars extra each day. I the people at the tow place knew me. They would they wouldn't even have to pull up my file. It was bad.

• 20:52Speaker 05

  Twelve times. This is in a year?

• 20:54Laci Mosley?

  Uh, I mean, it was like, probably two year.

• 20:57Speaker 05

  Yeah. I mean, twelve times, to be honest, to say that your car got twelve towed twelve times in an entire lifetime is insane. If if you're in your whole life, you got towed twelve times, people be like, what was you doing? The fact that you did it in two years is highly impressive.

• 21:17Laci Mosley?

  I had just moved to LA. I was really figuring out parking and I was a scammer, so I was trying to cheat the system and the system really cheated your girl.

• 21:24Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 21:25Laci Mosley?

  And getting towed when you don't have money is like a life ruiner. It's actually super predatory because in nicer neighborhoods, they don't really have that many tow zones. And so rich people don't have to worry about like the old street cleaning or like, oh, I gotta move in at seven AM for traffic and stuff like that. So, you know, it is a scam. But the last time I got towed, I was parking somewhere that I thought was like not a regulation red zone cuz some people would paint in front of their houses red, so people would park there, but I knew it wasn't the city. So, you know, I'd be trying it. And I got towed and I really couldn't afford to and I had to ask my best friend to like give me the money to Well, I just told her I got towed and she offered and I took the money and then I thought about it every day and every night until I paid her back.

• 22:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, cuz you're a good person. I'll say I'll I'll I'll say this, like to whoever's listening, look. If you ever borrowed money from somebody and you promised to pay them on a certain date and the person don't bring it up, don't that person didn't forget, like. I know you you try to pretend like, oh, like, no one forgot that they lent you money. They know when, what they lent you, and they know when you're supposed to pay it back. Because we don't mention it, that doesn't mean we forgot.

• 22:33Laci Mosley?

  Nah, that means you a fool.

• 22:36Laci Mosley?

  No, you're just polite and you're not trying to have an awkward situation. You trust the person you gave money to. No, I'm there, I'm with you. So, his wife says that he, or that Gustavo just got scammed, or played, is her words. So Gustavo says, I tell her that the guy is always nice, and he said he would give us our money back, and at the end of the week, I go to his door and ask for the money. Okay, confrontational. He said to give him another week. Following week, tried again, and now he's not even answering the door. This is for twenty dollars. America's now bad. I never see this guy for weeks. I'm pissed and I want that money back. So I'm leaving sticky notes on his door telling him he can drop off the money at any time. I told the building manager the story and he just laughed at me, because Gustavo, now you're just petty.

• 23:21Laci Mosley?

  Now you're just, now you're just mad that your wife was right, that you got played, and now you want to prove her wrong. And I love that for you. I love pettiness. So he didn't go to the building manager, who laughed, because he's like, what am I, I'm Bennett, I'm not in it. He told me the guy was, always asked people for money to give to his son, but he just takes the money and buys lottery tickets. What, like you said, partying with your money. One day, I get a knock at the door, and here he is with two ten-dollar bills, and then tells me that he's a man of his word. I get the money, but this isn't the end. A few, a few laters, a few laters, a few laters, Gustavo? What is it? I'm sorry saying that. A few laters.

• 24:01Speaker 05

  How much laters, though?

• 24:03Laci Mosley?

  Are you black, Gustavo? Because this is giving black time telling.

• 24:06Speaker 05

  I mean, he said the congregation.

• 24:08Laci Mosley?

  True. I mean, that's why, the people who listen to this podcast are the con, all caps, congregation. Okay, we are a fake religion. I'm trying to write it off and not pay taxes. So here we are. But he said a few laters. I'm stealing that, Gustavo. A few laters, I noticed that he doesn't live here anymore. Then one night, about six cops come to my door asking if he still lives here. I'm super confused about what's going on. Come to find out, he had been dealing heroin and had just recently kidnapped an older lady and was on the run. That, this took a turn at the end, and I was like, excuse me?

• 24:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 24:44Laci Mosley?

  He said, I couldn't believe it, but my wife immediately said, saw that one coming.

• 24:49Speaker 05

  Saw that one.

• 24:51Laci Mosley?

  No way.

• 24:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's.

• 24:52Laci Mosley?

  You saw heroin kidnapping coming.

• 24:55Speaker 05

  You saw heroin kidnapping? On a twenty dollar borrow? That's impressive.

• 25:00Laci Mosley?

  That's wild.

• 25:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 25:01Laci Mosley?

  How much are you? Is this best of rating? You seeing it to the business share?

• 25:05Speaker 05

  That's a reach.

• 25:06Laci Mosley?

  Are you having visions? So Gustavo says, definitely learn my lesson and now can't bring myself to give any money to anyone, even some family. Oh, Gustavo, okay, don't let this heroin kidnapper sour you. But also you too petty to let people borrow money because you are counting the seconds until it's returned.

• 25:24Speaker 05

  But gee, that's my thing. It was like, I don't mind lending money. Like I, if you need money, I want like, and I have it, I want to lend it to you. But pay me back. Like that's the issue. Like, I don't wanna give you money. Just pay me back when you say you are. I don't even be putting times on it. Like I'll just be like, when are you gonna pay me back? You set the time and I just say, okay.

• 25:47Laci Mosley?

  That's smart. I mean, I took this stuff further recently. If people ask to borrow money from me, I just give them the money and then I tell them not to worry about it. Because for me, like, I don't want you stressing about it.

• 26:01Speaker 05

  What if it's a lot though?

• 26:02Laci Mosley?

  Thinking about it. I mean, it has been a lot sometimes.

• 26:04Speaker 05

  So you're just giving away money?

• 26:06Laci Mosley?

  I don't do it anymore. I had to like really sit down with my accountants and also like with my therapist and be like, why do I think I don't deserve my things that I've earned? Worked really hard for it. It was like a psychological thing.

• 26:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:16Laci Mosley?

  And I was like, okay. So then, you know, the next time somebody asked me for money, I would be like, I remember the last time I gave someone money. I I knew it was gonna be the last time, at least for a long time. But I was like, hey, you gotta start managing your finances. Cause you, you telling me all these stories about stuff popping up all the time. And it's like, I freelanced for a long time. So I understand that like, if your money's up and down, like, you have to be prepared to not get a check. You know how these corporations work? They want you to work immediately and then they wanna pay you forty five days later. So it's like, you have to understand, like, you can't spend money that you don't already have. You can't go out and spend a check that you earned if it's not in the mail.

• 26:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:52Laci Mosley?

  So I have those conversations and then I think it kinda makes it clear to the person like, the bank is closed.

• 26:57Speaker 05

  The last time I lent somebody money, like, they asked me to borrow money and then they were writing like a whole paragraph and I was like, stop, I was like, stop right there. I was like, listen, I'll lend you the money, no problem. You need the money, I'll lend it to you, no problem. The only thing I asked is, don't make me look like a dick where I have to chase you. Tell me when you can pay me back and just pay me back on that time. That's all I ask. I don't want to chase you. I don't want to be asking you for money because now you're bringing me a problem. I don't want the problem. I'll lend you the money, no problem. You can pay me back. They said, no problem, I'll pay you back in three days. It's been almost three months and I haven't heard a thing from them.

• 27:35Laci Mosley?

  Damn.

• 27:36Speaker 05

  And this is like a friend.

• 27:37Laci Mosley?

  The other thing.

• 27:38Speaker 05

  It's like a friend.

• 27:38Laci Mosley?

  You gotta stop over at, see, that's, that's when you mess with the friendship. You have to stop over. I do this. If I'm late, I always give a lower estimate of when I'm gonna arrive because I think that makes people feel better, but in my head, I know it's gonna be later than that. Like, if you know realistically how long it's gonna take you, give yourself that and a little bit of extra time so that you can actually make the deadline. Don't say it's gonna be three days if you really don't know the day nor the hour.

• 28:02Speaker 05

  Right, right. Yeah, I mean, I was like, whenever you can, when can you pay me back? Whenever you can. And he was like, three days. And it's been three months.

• 28:12Laci Mosley?

  He should have said five business months.

• 28:14Speaker 05

  And he pretends, he pretends it doesn't, like, he doesn't even bring it up. Like, he doesn't, like, he's not like, hey, give me till this time. Like, he pretends it didn't happen.

• 28:22Laci Mosley?

  Damn.

• 28:23Speaker 05

  I'm gonna text him after this.

• 28:25Laci Mosley?

  No, you know.

• 28:26Speaker 05

  You got me riled up. I'm texting him.

• 28:28Laci Mosley?

  It was like, I was on a podcast and I just remembered.

• 28:31Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 28:32Laci Mosley?

  It jogged my memory. And you owe me money. And when is it coming? Because, yeah, that's the worst. Like, especially if I see my friend, like, on Instagram stories or anywhere having any, smiling. I'm like, how you smiling? You owe me money.

• 28:43Speaker 05

  How you smiling? You owe money here.

• 28:44Laci Mosley?

  Your lips to.

• 28:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:45Laci Mosley?

  How you fix your lips to open up like that and show all your teeth when you owe me money?

• 28:48Speaker 05

  Right, right.

• 28:50Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Well, we're gonna take a quick break for some non-scam advertisements. We'll be right back with historic hoodwink.

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• 30:52Laci Mosley?

  And we're back. And it's time for Historic Hoodwings. My favorite part of the podcast, where I'm going to regale Ian with a famous group of con criminals. Maybe just one. Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them, maybe they're goofy. We'll see. I want to make a note up top here because we do not scam jerk The story was researched primarily from David Brown's Rolling Stone article, "Faking the Funk: How Bootsy Collins Impostors Pulled Off the Ultimate Music Biz Scam." So shout out to David Brown, um, he will be in the footnotes if you want to click and read more. So we're talking about Bootsy Collins. Bootsy Collins is one of the most impactful longstanding figures in the tapestry of American music, especially R and B, funk, and pop. With his iconic look of star-shaped glasses, top hat, sparkling attire,

• 31:34Laci Mosley?

  Bootsy became recognizable figure in the music industry, not just for his killer bass, but his signature style. However, impersonators use that to his, uh, their advantage because Bootsy wears hella clothes. Like, my guy looks like it's Halloween every day. So if you have a similar build, you could just put on all of Bootsy's stuff and we wouldn't know if you were Bootsy, especially if it's white people trying to figure it out. Like, they can't tell us apart with no hats and glasses.

• 31:59Speaker 05

  Sure, for sure.

• 32:00Laci Mosley?

  Um, and I actually worked with Bootsy Collins, uh, once. He's a very fun dude, extremely tall.

• 32:06Speaker 05

  I mean, he looks fun. No guy, no guy dressing like this is not fun.

• 32:11Laci Mosley?

  Not fun as hell.

• 32:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:13Laci Mosley?

  He was wild and I can't believe he was really getting down like that still, you know, in his older age and I love that for him.

• 32:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:19Laci Mosley?

  He was actually him and, oh gosh, who was the other guy that was on the show? It's not George Clinton, is it? Yeah, George Clinton. I'm gonna spill a little tea. Did y'all know they was beefing? At least at the time that we shot this, they had, we had to shoot them separately even though they were in the same scene because they was beefing. And I was like, not the old man beef? Come on now, it's y'all too open, it's y'all too grown. But we had to shoot things twice because they refused to be in the same room together. And I was like, ooh. But you'll never see that show, it's never coming out.

• 32:50Laci Mosley?

  But, and that's not Bootsy's fault, he was amazing, so was George. But also Snoop Dogg is Bootsy Collins nephew? Did you know that?

• 32:56Speaker 05

  Real nephew or like how Snoop called everyone nephew?

• 32:59Laci Mosley?

  Not nephew.

• 33:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:01Laci Mosley?

  Real, blood-related nephew.

• 33:03Speaker 05

  Blood-related, for real?

• 33:05Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Along by the talented, tall people. Yes, who love weed. Love that for them, that's what they passed down in their family.

• 33:12Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 33:13Laci Mosley?

  So, we'll post pictures of Bootsy's, but obviously he dresses very eccentrically and, you know.

• 33:20Laci Mosley?

  People could mimic that easily. So, a little about Bootsy. William Earl Collins, there we go, very black name, love that. Grew up in Cincinnati. And he was given his famous nickname by his mother. Will grew up to join his brother, Phillips Catfish Collins Band, The Pacemakers, before eventually becoming the original member of James Brown and the JB's. Wow. So, two years after their time with JB, him and his brother joined George Clinton Funkadelic, eventually becoming a part of the larger rotating members of the Parliament Funkadelic, which is P-Funk. And so, we have a picture here of George. I mean, look at how all of them dress. This was like the original Afro punk, and I'm living.

• 33:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, it was, yeah.

• 34:00Laci Mosley?

  Like Afrofuturism, and it was really dope to see, like, they really innovated so much in the culture. So, Bootsy played on every Parliament and Funkadelic record until the early 1980s, and his signature look evolved to make him not only one of the most recognizable members of P-Funk, but an icon in pop culture that echoes to this day. In 1976, Collins launched a new level of pop stardom when he was made the star of his own project, Bootsy's Rubber Band. They went from playing mid-sized theaters to 20,000-seat arenas, making $25,000 to $35,000 a night, which in today's inflation coin is about $125,000 to $150,000 today, a night. Imagine making that door stand up. I mean, you will.

• 34:41Speaker 05

  That's what I make.

• 34:41Laci Mosley?

  If you're not already.

• 34:43Speaker 05

  That's what I make.

• 34:44Laci Mosley?

  If you're not already, I'm gonna out you, I'm gonna see, and you try to chase down them coins from your friends.

• 34:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm never gonna get back those $25.

• 34:51Laci Mosley?

  I want it to be, I want it to be as small as $25, and I want you to be that petty, and I want that for you. Like, bro, you got an HBO Max comedy special, and you over here hunting down your homeboy for $25.

• 35:02Speaker 05

  A deal is a deal, a deal is a deal.

• 35:05Laci Mosley?

  That's, that's why you're not getting it back. He saw romantic comedy on HBO. And he said, "Uh-uh, not Mr. HBO trying to get money."

• 35:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, that, that is why, though. That is, that actually is why.

• 35:17Laci Mosley?

  He said, "Not Mr. HBO looking for my coins. You better call Warner Brothers."

• 35:24Laci Mosley?

  He got you there.

• 35:25Speaker 05

  I'ma get my money, I'ma get my money.

• 35:29Speaker 05

  I'll post about it too, follow me, cuz I'ma get this money.

• 35:32Laci Mosley?

  Y'all follow him, alright, he gonna get this money.

• 35:35Speaker 05

  He be wearing, he be wearing like mad designer clothes, like next time I see him, I'ma be like, yo, give me those Louis, I need that.

• 35:42Laci Mosley?

  It's time to consign, it's time to consign, my guy, take it on down to the, uh, to the, what was that Buffalo Exchange, you better go on down there and get my money. Okay, I, the next post I see, I'ma follow you, and the next post I see, it better be you holding up uh, twenty-five dollars like a money phone.

• 36:01Speaker 05

  I'ma get that money.

• 36:03Laci Mosley?

  So, the, you know, Bootsy, he's booked, he's busy, he's making all this money, he's popping, we love this for him. So, as this is developing, you know, he's got this iconic look, he's putting out these albums, his nineteen seventy-eight album, Bootsy Player of the Year came out, and he had on fake cardboard sunglasses on the inside cover for fans to cut out and wear. So, in the album, he was like, y'all can look like me, girlies, remember when albums had stuff?

• 36:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:30Laci Mosley?

  In them?

• 36:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:32Laci Mosley?

  I'm trying to remember, I got a durag with a little Bow Wow album, a white durag.

• 36:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 36:37Laci Mosley?

  Oh, it was a bandana.

• 36:38Speaker 05

  It was an experience.

• 36:39Laci Mosley?

  It was, and you were excited to purchase the album and then see what was inside and what extra, you know, feature and read all the lyrics and everything, it used to be an experience, now you just stream it.

• 36:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, which is a lot easier.

• 36:51Laci Mosley?

  It's a little soulless. I will too, cuz going down to, what was it?

• 36:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's a lot.

• 36:55Laci Mosley?

  Sam Good A?

• 36:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, Sam Good A.

• 36:57Laci Mosley?

  Blockbuster, not Blockbuster, um.

• 36:59Speaker 05

  F Y E, I think, for your entertainment, used to sell albums.

• 37:02Laci Mosley?

  F Y E.

• 37:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:04Laci Mosley?

  Uh, who else, they got that record store that lady that's like holding on as like a relic now, uh, Columbia Records.

• 37:09Speaker 05

  Is it Capitol Records?

• 37:10Laci Mosley?

  Capitol Records, there we go, see, I'm trash. But you see, that's where Best Buy?

• 37:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:15Laci Mosley?

  Used to go to, Beyonce used to go on to Best Buy sign albums?

• 37:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 37:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it was a different time, and sometimes I'm nostalgic for that, but then also it's nice to just, well, I mean, I'm not that old, so it was dawn very soon, we was in the MP3 players very quickly, but. Now, I don't know, we're having the same problems. Like, you know Ticketmaster is about to take a hit by the FTC because

• 37:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:38Laci Mosley?

  All the scammers have overrun the site. And I knew of, uh, one of my friends at work, she was in line for the Taylor Swift, uh, concert tickets, but like in the online line. And she was number sixteen hundred and didn't get no ticket.

• 37:50Speaker 05

  How fast was it moving?

• 37:52Laci Mosley?

  It wasn't moving very quickly. A lot of people who were real people did not get tickets and then the bots were trying to sell them for like thirty four thousand.

• 37:58Speaker 05

  It was scalpers, right? Scalpers bought all of them, right?

• 38:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 38:00Speaker 05

  Like the bots?

• 38:01Laci Mosley?

  Cause people buy bots and they use the bots to buy up all the tickets and then they skyrocket the price. But it used to be you had to sit out in what I'm told. You sat out in the rain. Or, you know, you waited on the street corner at someplace.

• 38:13Speaker 05

  But my, my thing is, what, can't they just make the tickets non-transferable? Then the bots got no, then there's nothing they could do with them.

• 38:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but uh, for some reason, they've been enabling this ecosystem. We have verified users.

• 38:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, they win, I guess, because the tickets sell out, so they're like, what do we care? We're making our money.

• 38:33Laci Mosley?

  That's true. That's very true. And then also, the person who's left holding the bag is the person with the bots. So hopefully they overcharge enough to make back their money and not need to sell the extra tickets. But if they don't, for some reason, people, if you, if you a bot and you bought the baby tickets, I know you down bad.

• 38:56Laci Mosley?

  Imagine being a bot buying up the baby concert at, uh, Smoothie King Arena. It's like, god damn.

• 39:02Speaker 05

  He, he, he did Smoothie King?

• 39:05Laci Mosley?

  He did not do Smoothie King because Smoothie King said they, he couldn't do it. He has such low ticket sales, they said, no sir, we're cancelling this. You haven't even afforded enough money for us to get security. We not opening up the pressure shop to nothing to you.

• 39:19Speaker 05

  I read some articles that, wasn't he giving it away like out of an Applebee's or something?

• 39:23Laci Mosley?

  A Cheesecake Factory. He was trying to give away the tickets. And some people, uh, weren't taking them.

• 39:29Speaker 05

  How do you, I mean-

• 39:29Laci Mosley?

  And he did two for one. He did BOGO tickets at one venue where it was like, if you buy one, get one free, because he was trying to get a crowd there. And I was like, baby, this is what you get. This is what you get for misogyny and homophobia. You get BOGO tickets.

• 39:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's unfortunate. Cause he's actually very talented.

• 39:45Laci Mosley?

  He a little one though. I used to love the baby, but he a little one though. He doing that same song over and over, which is a scam.

• 39:52Speaker 05

  It's all a scam.

• 39:53Laci Mosley?

  They all sound like baby, yo baby. And then it's like, do the decrease. And then it's how I rap.

• 39:57Speaker 05

  That's his flow, yeah. But he can rap.

• 40:01Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah. It's like everybody got one good karaoke song. He got that. He got that.

• 40:09Laci Mosley?

  I appreciate you trying to give him some grace, but he don't deserve it.

• 40:12Speaker 05

  I mean, I think, I, I, I was like, I, I mean, I, I, I think he's good. I still think he's good. It's, it's unfortunate though, damn, I mean, the Smoothie Arena thing was crazy.

• 40:20Laci Mosley?

  It was sad, but hilarious.

• 40:22Speaker 05

  Imagine the scalpers.

• 40:23Laci Mosley?

  I just love to see people get to come up in. Okay, yeah, I feel bad for the scalpers. I feel bad for the scalpers. They're like, oh, this must be a banger. Imagine being a scalper standing outside and it's just nobody coming in the arena. They're like, did he get cancelled?

• 40:37Speaker 05

  Yeah. I hate, I, I actually, I hate the scalpers. Well, because they're, it's like a, they're a scam, because I learned this from, from like the ticket, from ticketing things. What happens is, once you start selling tickets, the scalpers come in, they're like, this is a hot ticket. So like, that's why you see like an artist come out and they're like, the ticket sold out in thirty minutes. And it's like, that wasn't people who bought it. It was bots that are gonna resell it. So every show just sells out with the bots thinking that they're gonna resell it.

• 41:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's the middleman economy and it's killing us. But, so, he was giving out these hard wore sunglasses and people were putting them on or whatever, you know, enjoying the experience. And it wasn't so hard to appear as him. As Collins himself wore platform boots in addition to iconic star glasses, a top hat and glitter decked outfits. Cause a lot of his outfits were like just the same version. You know how now the rap girlies all wear leotards? But it'll be like a different color or it'll have some sequins on it. But it's basically the same outfit, but just like a different color. That's what Boosie was doing.

• 41:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:35Laci Mosley?

  So it's very easy to mimic. Even George Clinton disguised himself, and he's in his van, to look like Booty Galen so he could hang out with a girl.

• 41:45Speaker 05

  Sure. Sure, I mean.

• 41:47Laci Mosley?

  That's messed up. I don't pretend to be your friend to go hang out with women. You tricking women and you tricking your friend. That ain't right.

• 41:53Speaker 05

  Well, but now, I mean, you could get, you'll get cancelled for that now, but in the seventies.

• 41:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 41:58Speaker 05

  In the seventies, that was allowed.

• 42:01Laci Mosley?

  It's a violation of consent. I thought I was with Bootsy.

• 42:03Speaker 05

  Right now, that's like a pervert, you know?

• 42:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I mean, it was then. People just were not talking about it. They were like, oh, man, I got guys.

• 42:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, what are you gonna do?

• 42:13Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 42:14Speaker 05

  Thought it was Bootsy.

• 42:15Laci Mosley?

  So Collins found it funny at first and even put it on his song, She Jam, which is from his nineteen seventy-nine album. And quotes, he said, this is him, said, everyone, they were almost Bootsy, decked out in their star-shaped shades, little boys and little girls. They were almost Bootsy, shining all over the place. And actually, I should have just let him sing it, because that was trash. What he say?

• 42:46Laci Mosley?

  Okay, enough. I read the rest of it. Uh, as you can see, he sings it way better than I read it.

• 42:51Speaker 05

  This would be futuristic now, and this was nineteen seventy-nine, like that type of music.

• 42:58Laci Mosley?

  It was. I mean, because they knew what they were doing. And also, like, all of our music now is just samples and interpolation. So we're listening to the same song over and over. We're just like, now people are just rapping over it about how much money they have and, you know, how good their penis is.

• 43:13Speaker 05

  Which is nice sometimes when you're drinking on a Friday to hear.

• 43:17Laci Mosley?

  It is. It is. I won't lie. I can't lie. I've danced to some real hood rat shit.

• 43:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's fun. It's a good time.

• 43:25Laci Mosley?

  I mean, it's a vibe.

• 43:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:27Laci Mosley?

  Okay. So, Almost Bootsy, number one. One day, Archie Ivey, one of Collins' early managers, received a call from headquarters of Collins' label, the Burbank offices Warner Brothers. The employee said that Collins was in the office asking for an advance on his next royalty check. It was odd because first his checks were not handled by Warner Brothers. They were handled by George Clinton's company. So he already asking at the wrong place for the money, right? And second, because Collins was in Ohio. So they were like, Bootsy's not even here. And we don't even cut his checks. So what are you doing here? The employees stalled and left. And when he returned, the fake Bootsy uh had disappeared, obviously. He was like, well, the jig is up. It didn't work.

• 44:07Laci Mosley?

  At the same time, there were also reports that someone in Cleveland was going around claiming to be Bootsy and trying to buy musical gear on a store charge account in his name. At the same time, real Bootsy was elsewhere in the country. So people all over the country are like, I'm Bootsy Collins. I'm like, will the real Bootsy Collins please stand up? So though the incidents were odd, and a step from the previous impersonations, almost Bootsy number one just disappeared as quickly as he appeared without seeming to done much damage. So this was the fake Bootsy. He popped up at the record label and was like, I want my money. And they were like, who are you?

• 44:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:39Laci Mosley?

  And he was like, never mind.

• 44:41Speaker 05

  Forget it. Don't pay me anything.

• 44:43Laci Mosley?

  Right. He's like, I'll figure it out. Don't call the cops.

• 44:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:46Laci Mosley?

  It's just like speeds out. And I love that. Give up the grip. He tried it. It didn't work. He let it go.

• 44:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 44:53Laci Mosley?

  Do it at the club. You know what I mean? Get some free bottle service. But you don't have to do it again. But the first one, the first fake appearance that he heard about, began to feel like bad to Bootsy Collins. He starts to feel the weight of like, he has been walking around in this character for so long that he's like, damn, now people are just pretending to be me and it's working because I literally dress up in a costume every day. So being the leader for the land of the band for so long, coupled with illness, a motorcycle injury led him to take a reclusive semi-retirement at his 23-acre ranch in 1982. So he was like, I'm tired of putting on this drag every day. And now people impersonate me. I've become a cartoon. I'm tired. I'm sick and tired. And he had a motorcycle accident. So he was like, I'm gonna take a break. Understandable.

• 45:37Laci Mosley?

  In 1984, he slowly re-entered the business and began writing for new Prince-inspired act called Microwave. AKA R&B scene songwriter, Michael Lane. So Michael Lane decided his stage name was gonna be Microwave. And we got a little piece of Microwave. Play, just play a little bit of that.

• 46:07Speaker 05

  This looks like a Dave Chappelle sketch.

• 46:10Laci Mosley?

  It does.

• 46:13Laci Mosley?

  Wait, it really does. It looks like Prince playing basketball.

• 46:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, this is like, this looks like a fake.

• 46:18Laci Mosley?

  Not you being the designer of your time.

• 46:24Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I love that. I love that. So he starts writing for Microwave and they're doing the synthesizer and all of that stuff. So by nineteen eighty-eight, things were looking up again for Bootsy and he released his first album since coming back. What's Bootsy doing? And met Patty, the woman who would become his wife. And we have a picture of Bootsy and Patty together. I like Bootsy and Patty. That sounds good together. That sounds like people who should be dating.

• 46:46Speaker 05

  All this is fascinating because all this happened, like, we still haven't even, I'm still not even alive yet in this timeline.

• 46:52Laci Mosley?

  No, I'm not either. And I love that for us. But also, this looks like a fun-ass time. I'm not gonna lie.

• 46:58Speaker 05

  Bootsy has came and went through three different phases. I'm not even alive yet.

• 47:03Laci Mosley?

  Right. And then I ended up working with him, so I was like, look at the world. Bootsy's just here out here. So, loo- look. I love that Patty also was like, I'll get some interesting glasses as well to really look like I'm Bootsy's girl.

• 47:14Speaker 05

  Sure, because this is eighty-eight and they're dressed, that's like seventies outfit or sixties.

• 47:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Yeah, they're a little, may, yeah, they're a little behind. I feel like it's time to, to get, well, the eighties were a bad time for fashion.

• 47:26Speaker 05

  I think they would be like hipsters, like, they were like, oh, we're the vintage, we dress vintage, you know?

• 47:31Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. But also in the eighties, everybody dressed like they were on cocaine, so I don't think anybody would have thought they stuck out. Remember, that was like all the hairspray, that was like the sleeves just had to be past the top of your head. Like, you know, everybody was wild, so I feel like they fit in. So Bootsy number two. Another almost Bootsy appeared, this time more brazen than ever. One day Patty received a call asking if Bootsy had been in Los Angeles the day before, when he was currently in Cincinnati. The call came from an upscale hotel where a man calling himself Bootsy Collins checked in and asked for free room and free room service. I love that when people perceive that you're rich, they'll give you things for free. But if they think that you don't have no money, they won't. But it's like, either way, the person's not paying. Like, don't you want your money?

• 48:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, no.

• 48:15Laci Mosley?

  Nope, you get so much free stuff.

• 48:17Speaker 05

  You don't even really have to be rich. You just have to have clout.

• 48:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 48:22Speaker 05

  If you have cloud, you get free stuff.

• 48:24Laci Mosley?

  Cause like if you post it, then we'll get some of the cloud. You know, people know you were here then.

• 48:29Speaker 05

  Yeah. And I don't think it ever works.

• 48:31Laci Mosley?

  I mean, sometimes it does, cause you'll see like a restaurant or something that you've never heard of. And like, I remember working in restaurants in L A, like when I first moved here. And there were certain people who got completely free meals, like expensive ass meals, because they would get photographed leaving the restaurant. And then that would end up in the tablets and the people be like, well, this spot's popular, let's go over there and pay our real money. So sometimes it works, but I feel like for a hotel, like y'all just get your money.

• 48:54Speaker 05

  I mean, if you're that level, there's a, there's a, I think there's like a level of celebrity that, that works for, right? Like this, like certain, certain celebs, yes, for sure. But, you know, I ain't getting photographed coming out no restaurant and people are going in. I guarantee you that. And I've gotten, I've gotten the free meal.

• 49:11Laci Mosley?

  Stay away from that place.

• 49:13Speaker 05

  Look, I've gotten the free meal and they think that it's gonna help. And I'm like, listen, alright, I'll take the free meal. You wanna get scammed? You're asking to get scammed, I'll scam you, but I, don't expect your clientele to turn over on me.

• 49:26Laci Mosley?

  Hey, hey, you saying that, but I, I don't believe that, Ian, okay? We are HBO, okay? Romantic comedy. I feel like the girls might start going to your, the carryout you pick up at.

• 49:35Speaker 05

  I literally had this just earlier today, uh, to my, this company sent me a full box of clothes. Like, it's like, I, like, they said they wanted to send me a package and I thought they would send me like a shirt or two. But it's full wardrobe, like I'm gonna have to start handing this out, like, I have to take, like of clothes. And I'm like, alright, I mean, I'll post you in my story, I don't know.

• 49:56Laci Mosley?

  I mean, you'd be surprised. So she, I mean, you know, you know the vibe. So she received a similar call from a Las Vegas not long after. And in quotes, they said, we have to say, well, that's not Bootsy, it's an impersonator. But he'd already gotten his goods and done his damage. So the wife was like, that's not my husband, but they were like, well, he gone, so y'all gonna pay us or who gonna pay the bill?

• 50:18Speaker 05

  Well.

• 50:20Laci Mosley?

  So it seems like you need to call your bank hotel.

• 50:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I'll need to hit.

• 50:23Speaker 05

  I don't even know who this is.

• 50:25Laci Mosley?

  Right, I would have hung up, click. So during the spring, others continued to be fooled by Bootsy number two, and he worked his way to appearing at the New York Music Awards. An event also attended by musicians such as Lou Reed, Paul Simon, and LL Cool J, and Fake Bootsy. Bootsy number two, Bootsy number two improved on this scam.

• 50:44Speaker 05

  He's good.

• 50:45Laci Mosley?

  So Miles Davis, he's great. Miles Davis encountered almost Bootsy number two in the lobby of a hotel that they were staying at, where he managed to spend an entire ride with them from New York to DC. So now Fake Bootsy, imagine getting in a car with Fake Bootsy and your Miles Davis.

• 51:01Speaker 05

  I feel like shouldn't you.

• 51:02Laci Mosley?

  From New York to DC.

• 51:03Speaker 05

  Shouldn't you be able, I mean, that's a three hour drive, shouldn't, like, I feel like some must be said where you're like, what?

• 51:09Laci Mosley?

  He didn't say nothing that didn't.

• 51:11Speaker 05

  Right, that didn't add up.

• 51:12Laci Mosley?

  He was not Bootsy.

• 51:14Speaker 05

  Right. Something, he gotta say something that don't add up, like, there gotta be inside music stuff.

• 51:19Laci Mosley?

  They must have been real lit, I feel like every time Miles went to the talk shop, Bootsy, Bootsy Fake Bootsy number two was like, turn, turn that song up, that's my favorite song.

• 51:26Speaker 05

  Right, right, right, cuz I mean.

• 51:28Laci Mosley?

  Roll the windows down.

• 51:30Speaker 05

  I feel like if you asked him like, what type of guitar you use, he would be like, I.

• 51:35Laci Mosley?

  I'm out of beat.

• 51:37Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 51:38Laci Mosley?

  He's so much, y'all, like, what's happening? Yeah, I don't know how you make it three hours and don't realize you're with an imposter. So it starts to get weird when Adam Holtzman, who was a keyboard artist, this is a quote from him, he said, why aren't we going out to a proper dinner? And then saying goodbye like normal, if you ran into one of your heroes, you'd hang out, but it wouldn't turn into a twenty-four seven thing. So his, the, the real musicians and stars were like, it's getting weird cuz Fake Bootsy number two, like, he's like, oh, where else y'all going? Y'all go back to the hotel, I'mma come with you, oh, y'all wanna go to dinner again, let's get breakfast in the morning, I'll sleep on your couch. And they're like, this is not.

• 52:16Laci Mosley?

  Boosie just be saying what's up and going home, get we get dinner, but.

• 52:19Speaker 05

  Yeah. Boosie usually just say.

• 52:21Laci Mosley?

  Trying to live in my basement.

• 52:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, he give me a head nod and go about his thing, he don't.

• 52:25Laci Mosley?

  He don't try to live with me, what's going on?

• 52:27Speaker 05

  He don't invite me to brunch.

• 52:29Laci Mosley?

  Right, Boosie number two was like, let me hold twenty-five dollars, you know I'm Boosie.

• 52:34Speaker 05

  You know I'm good for it.

• 52:36Laci Mosley?

  So soon after, almost Boosie began complaining about money, asking the bass player for a handout, oh my gosh, and then disappeared, exactly what we just said, Boosie number two was like, damn, times is hard for me, Boosie Collins, a millionaire, ten times over.

• 52:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, you got thirty dollars?

• 52:52Laci Mosley?

  Alright, Boosie, you're asking for small amounts of money. He later made an appearance at the convention of the National Association of Music Merchants, the trade group institutes of stores and makers where he tracked, he racked up limo bills and had ten thousand dollars worth of guitars shipped to Louisiana. So he got them to drive him out to this event, he racked up limo bills, and he also said, can y'all send me some guitars to Louisiana? I'm Boosie Collins, y'all know what I need.

• 53:17Speaker 05

  Y'all know me.

• 53:19Laci Mosley?

  Y'all know me? So Boosie Collins manager, Bill Waller, ended up stuck with the invoices, because he's like, yeah, send it all to my manager, you know him, uh, uh, manager at Boosie.

• 53:29Speaker 05

  At BoosieCollege.com.

• 53:30Laci Mosley?

  Dot com.

• 53:33Laci Mosley?

  He got me, I don't, I'm Boosie, I don't care cash, I'm too rich for that. So during all of these appearances, Boosie number two avoided playing an instrument at all costs, often changing the subject or walking away if it was brought up. Wow, so he had a guitar as a prop, and they're like, let's do a jam session, he just walks away. He had to go to the bathroom, yeah, I don't know, again. So the last straw was when fellow bassist Freddie Perez encountered Boosie number two, whom he tried to offload some of his ill-gotten equipment on. So Boosie number two ran to someone really in the band and was like, you want these guitars that I had sent to Louisiana? Bandmate of mine? Bootsy's manager Bill and his lawyer Bob Donnelly began to take legal action. They were finally able to get his phone number through a DJ at a club.

• 54:18Laci Mosley?

  And though many of the exact details have been lost at the time, in a sting operation involving Bootsy's team, Rolling Stone Magazine, and allegedly the FBNI, they were finally able to take almost Bootsy number two down. So then the magazine published a story of the exploits in the eighties and soon after, Doug Thigman received a call from a female college student in Boston saying that fake Bootsy number two was in her apartment. He told her to call the police, which she did. And it's unknown what happened to her. Oh no, what happened after Bootsy number two vanished into thin air? So we don't know what happened to him. He just, I think he just took the costume off. And was like, okay, never mind. Honestly, never mind. And he got away with it for a long time, though.

• 55:00Speaker 05

  You know what would be a real scam? If Bootsy Collins came out and was like, that was actually me.

• 55:07Laci Mosley?

  Yo.

• 55:08Speaker 05

  There is no Bootsy number two.

• 55:09Laci Mosley?

  What is all the Bootsy's? Cause there's a Bootsy number three, and this is quick.

• 55:13Speaker 05

  He's like, I've just been living my life like this.

• 55:15Laci Mosley?

  But imagine if you impersonated yourself and then anytime people, it's just like, if you get a credit card and you go to the mall and you run it up and then you call in a fraud report.

• 55:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, right. I mean, it's honestly a pretty cool way to live. You just do whatever you want and when it backfires, you're like, I don't know who that is. That guy's wildin'.

• 55:32Laci Mosley?

  Wasn't me. This is the shaggy lifestyle. Wasn't me.

• 55:35Speaker 05

  Right.

• 55:36Laci Mosley?

  So Bootsy number three, this is the last Bootsy we know of. So though Bootsy number two disappeared, they didn't stop trying. In 1991, the Welsh guitar band The Alarm encountered Bootsy number three, trying to enlist them for a live aid type event to benefit the Gulf War veterans. However, not only did he not play bass, he raised suspicion when he tried to get the band to pay for his hotel expenses. Now, this is the Alarm Band, and the hair is alarming.

• 56:06Speaker 05

  It is alarming.

• 56:08Laci Mosley?

  It's giving the end of the eighties, 1991.

• 56:11Speaker 05

  It's literally giving alarm, like a, like a siren that went off.

• 56:15Laci Mosley?

  Right. And then just like a cartoon, the hair just shot up in the air. And I love that for them. And I love that he was like, y'all come do this benefit concert. I'm Bootsy number three. I mean, I'm Bootsy Collins. And also, okay, I'll pay for my hotel.

• 56:30Speaker 05

  I'm Bootsy number three. I mean Bootsy Collins.

• 56:34Laci Mosley?

  So Bootsy number three was booted from the tour bus along with a pet wolf shouting. This is what Bootsy number three said. Why do you have a pet wolf Bootsy number three? Um, this is too much. Bootsy number three was shouting, you'll be here for my lawyers. You'll regret this. Okay.

• 56:50Speaker 05

  I love your eighties voice. She's like, you'll regret this, you job turkeys.

• 56:54Laci Mosley?

  You'll regret this, baby. Like, love that. I hope he shouted in Bootsy's voice. It was so iconic. So at seventy-one, the real Bootsy Collins has moved beyond the legacy of all the fake Bootsy's. He still writes and appears on records and is even preparing to create NFTs and Bootsy's Bitcoin. Now Bootsy, now I'm starting to really think you might be all them fake Bootsy's. NFTs. Bootsy, those are a scam.

• 57:19Speaker 05

  Super scam.

• 57:20Laci Mosley?

  And personagers have moved on to social media where his wife Patty says they still fight those who illegally use his image. But in the age of almost, or the fake Bootsy's hitchhiking cross-country, that's ended. But yeah, you can get on Instagram and because he, his fanbase is in their seventies as well, you know, sixties like, they don't know if they're talking to the real Bootsy.

• 57:41Speaker 05

  No. They don't, no idea.

• 57:43Laci Mosley?

  And now on Twitter, you can buy a verified check. So the, the old Twitter girlies are really not gonna know if they're talking to the real Bootsy.

• 57:49Speaker 05

  Right, right. You'll never know.

• 57:52Laci Mosley?

  Pay for my hotel, baby.

• 57:56Laci Mosley?

  Love it. Alright guys, that brings us to the satisfied show. The end. We have to let Ian go. But before we do that, just a quick scammer of the week. This is where we highlight a charlatan who's worthy of our praise, or maybe not. We'll see. This week, we're talking about Derrick Patterson, twenty-three, of Compton, California. Okay, Compton.

• 58:15Laci Mosley?

  He has been arrested for theft after stealing money from his Grindr hookups. Damn. Okay, he do look fresh. Are those Burberry pants?

• 58:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, those look like Burberry. I can't see what the belt is. Those definitely.

• 58:26Laci Mosley?

  Can we zoom in?

• 58:27Speaker 05

  I think they're Burberry adjacent.

• 58:29Laci Mosley?

  Burberry, uh, blueberry?

• 58:33Speaker 05

  Burberry little brother.

• 58:36Laci Mosley?

  Blueberry, you know, blueberry pie. I don't, I can't tell what that belt is. It's, it almost looks like it's a Gucci belt. You know the girls love a Gucci belt or Hermes belt.

• 58:43Speaker 05

  It might be a Gucci belt. Oh, yeah, I think that's two G's, yeah. I think it's Gucci.

• 58:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 58:49Speaker 05

  Which is kinda tacky. I mean, you putting Burberry on Gucci is tacky.

• 58:53Laci Mosley?

  I mean, if it's done right, I feel like if he was gonna do the like mix matching of patterns, then the shirt can't be white. Like, the shirt also has to be a pattern that ties it. Like, give us a Solange moment. But also, every scammer owns a Gucci belt. I own a Gucci belt.

• 59:06Speaker 05

  And Burberry pants.

• 59:09Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I got about some Burberry pants. I don't have Burberry pants yet. But every scammer has to have a Gucci belt in their arsenal. It's just a part of the vibe. That's what we do. So Patterson would meet up with men on Grindr, and while they were distracted, take the opportunity to borrow their phone and send cash to his accounts. Damn. So however, during one incident in July twenty twenty one, Patterson's victim threatened him with a knife after he sent himself three thousand nine hundred fifty dollars. That's bold.

• 59:38Speaker 05

  That's specific. Why not four thousand?

• 59:41Laci Mosley?

  Like, did he think, maybe something goes off? Maybe you can only send a certain amount at once on cash?

• 59:46Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, maybe you could only send a certain, maybe four thousand is the limit.

• 59:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, maybe he was getting right under that. Cause I know on Zelle, they have limits for daily sending and a lot of, yeah, I think even Venmo. So maybe he was like, I'm gonna give right up.

• 59:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. That makes sense.

• 59:58Laci Mosley?

  And then someone brandished a knife on him, old school style.

• 1:00:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:02Laci Mosley?

  So Patterson also used the victim's phone to pay for hotels and solicit money from victims' friends and family. Wow. And then he would plan to intercept it. So he would be like, send the money to Nevada. And then he was gonna go to Nevada and get the money. Damn. In February twenty twenty two, Patterson again asked to borrow his victim's phone, but then chased him with a stun gun and demanded money. So now he getting violent. He robbed the victim of jewelry and a hundred and twenty dollars, as well as opened a line of credit with Goldman Sachs using their name. Now Goldman Sachs has been tied up in a lot of fraud through the years, so. Not that bold to me.

• 1:00:41Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:00:41Laci Mosley?

  Patterson was recently sentenced to nine years in prison in order to pay eighty-four thousand one hundred ninety-five dollars in restitution, including a hate crime enhancement.

• 1:00:51Speaker 05

  He got nine?

• 1:00:52Laci Mosley?

  So he got nine years.

• 1:00:53Speaker 05

  Damn.

• 1:00:54Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Cause Grindr is in a website for mostly for gay men.

• 1:00:59Speaker 05

  Gay men, right?

• 1:00:59Laci Mosley?

  And so he's going on the site and it's a hookup, you know, app. And he's going there, he's taking their phones when they're not looking and sending himself money and then he escalated it to like chasing people with stun guns and just straight up robbing them.

• 1:01:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's wild.

• 1:01:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, Mr. Patterson, Derek, I don't fuck with this.

• 1:01:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, that doesn't seem like something a nice person would do.

• 1:01:22Laci Mosley?

  No. And also Tinder on the male smell and gay male side and and Grindr, they face a lot of scams because the way that those apps are used, like people tend to like wanna hook up faster. It's like a, it's not as slow of a burn, you know, some of those apps even like have the location, like how far away are you from this person or whatever? So he's probably able to grift a few people a day because people just be ready to get they swerve on.

• 1:01:47Speaker 05

  Sure, sure. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:49Laci Mosley?

  And he was ready to get.

• 1:01:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, nine years, that's a tough price to pay.

• 1:01:53Laci Mosley?

  Nine years is a lot. I think it was because of the armed robberies that.

• 1:01:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, when he got violent, that's when he went south.

• 1:02:00Laci Mosley?

  And he was targeting queer people, so that is a hate crime.

• 1:02:02Speaker 05

  Now, Izzy is, I wonder if he was also.

• 1:02:05Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. It hasn't even seemed like he was getting to the hookup.

• 1:02:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:02:09Laci Mosley?

  Like, he would be like, oh, go go freshen up and leave your phone. I need to make a call.

• 1:02:14Speaker 05

  Make a phone call.

• 1:02:15Laci Mosley?

  And like, how are you getting their phones? The whole point of those apps is like you have to have a phone.

• 1:02:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:20Laci Mosley?

  So how you get over here?

• 1:02:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, also, I, you asked to use my phone, I throw it out the window.

• 1:02:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no.

• 1:02:26Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, my, I don't have service or minutes or anything.

• 1:02:30Laci Mosley?

  Minutes?

• 1:02:31Speaker 05

  My screen broke.

• 1:02:33Laci Mosley?

  We gotta wait till after nine. I don't got any time.

• 1:02:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't, I don't have.

• 1:02:36Laci Mosley?

  To use any time.

• 1:02:38Speaker 05

  It's, it's not.

• 1:02:39Laci Mosley?

  That's a good way. I'd be like, you got a SIM card?

• 1:02:41Speaker 05

  I don't have, yeah, my phone don't got a SIM card.

• 1:02:46Laci Mosley?

  It's more for aesthetic.

• 1:02:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:47Laci Mosley?

  I don't, I, I'm unplugged.

• 1:02:48Speaker 05

  It's just a look. I got used to having something, so.

• 1:02:53Laci Mosley?

  So, we always ask on this show, Ian, where would you like to be found? Anything you want people to see, any places that they can follow you, drop your socia?

• 1:03:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, for sure. My HBO special streaming on HBO Max is called Romantic Comedy. Ian Lara Romantic Comedy. Please check it out. I'm on Instagram, Ian Lara Live. And my website is Ian Lara Live dot com. I'm going on tour, back on tour at the beginning of next year. So, check me out there.

• 1:03:21Laci Mosley?

  Yes, y'all get on Ian Lara's Instagram for sure because we gotta see if he gets his money back.

• 1:03:26Speaker 05

  I'm gonna get my money. That reminded me.

• 1:03:28Laci Mosley?

  We will be watching.

• 1:03:29Speaker 05

  I'm gonna call my lawyer.

• 1:03:31Laci Mosley?

  We will be waiting in the shadows. I will for sure. And you're such a funny guy. Y'all catching my tour, catch this special romantic comedy. I'm living already. And thank you so much for being on the show. You were fantastic. Super funny.

• 1:03:45Speaker 05

  Thank you. Thank you for having me.

• 1:03:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, of course. As always, guys, if you want to find me, D I V A L A C I D, Lacy on all platforms. If you want to follow the show and see the photos, Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram and on Twitter. If you wanted to get into me and more of my mess, you know, two seasons of My Carly is streaming right now. The Lopez v Lopez on NBC. Y'all get into that. I'm working on there. Congregation. Stay boozying.

• 1:04:13Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA The Scam Goddess. Our producer is Judith Carbo, our recording engineer is Abby Aguilar, and our audio editor is Jessie Karen. Research for the show is done by Kalen Brand. Stay scamming.

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