The Cocaine Quarterback Con w/ Kimia Behpoornia

The Deaconess, Kimia Behpoornia (Abbot Elementary), has returned to the CONgregation. Laci and Kimia discuss AI scams that tug at the heartstrings and Laci’s thoughts on Waymo’s. Then the two dig into Owen “O-Dog” Hanson, a USC football player who became an international drug dealer and money launderer. Stay O-Doggin’! Woof! Woof! CON-gregation, catch Laci's TV Show Scam Goddess on Hulu! Keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Kimia Behpoornia: @childclown Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://www.amazon.com/Cocaine-Quarterback-Signal-Caller-Cartel-Season/dp/B0FL25FVF1 https://themobmuseum.org/blog/owen-hanson-goes-from-cartel-kingpin-to-selling-frozen-protein-bars/ https://sports.yahoo.com/college-football/article/cocaine-quarterback-tracing-a-life-of-crime-from-the-huddle-to-the-cartel-203629376.html https://people.com/where-is-the-cocaine-quarterback-owen-hanson-now-11816512 https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattrybaltowski/2025/09/29/ex-usc-walk-on-hanson-ready-for-comeback-after-release-on-drug-charges/ https://igamingbusiness.com/sports-betting/owen-hanson-bookie-recovery-amazon-docuseries/

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• 2:26Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, back with another installment of the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes, we love them. Sometimes, we hate them. We will find out along the way. And if y'all want to see me live in Chicago, at the House of Blues, in Irving, Texas, at the Punchline Comedy Theater, New York, New York, at the Grand Mercy, or in San Francisco, back at the Cobb's Theater, we all know that was a chaotic show, you can go to Live Nation right now, or Ticketmaster. And for my congregation, I will give you this scam code early. It's Goddess, if you want a little discount on your tickets. And we can all use a little discount in these times, okay? And I tried to make the tickets cute, and I didn't do dynamic pricing, because I know that's a scam.

• 3:11Laci Mosley?

  So I got y'all back. I got y'all back. Pull up, pull up, city cities. And you'll see them on my socials, too. But, um, let's get to the main event here, okay? The deaconess has returned. And she has her white gloves on, and she's ready for service. We are doing three services today. The highest member of the churches are visiting and starting this year off right. You know it's gonna be a time, y'all. She's an actress, comedian, and improv genius that I've had the pleasure of playing with for many, many years. Yes, you might recognize this lovely lady from shows like Abbott Elementary, Hacks, Unicorn Store, Reboot, and so much more. Congregation, please welcome my dear friend, Kimia Behpoornia, back to the show. Hi, Kimia.

• 3:52Speaker 06

  Damn, Lacey, I miss you so much.

• 3:54Laci Mosley?

  I miss you too.

• 3:55Speaker 06

  I'm so happy to be here.

• 3:56Laci Mosley?

  I know. I wanted to hug you longer, but I was like, I guess we have to, like, get in the elevator.

• 4:00Speaker 06

  I know. And it was pretty long to start, you know? So we could've done more.

• 4:04Laci Mosley?

  Also, I got caught in a wind tunnel as I was parking my car. And it was a very, like, I thought I was gonna look fabulous today and have a fabulous start.

• 4:12Speaker 06

  No, it was very Bridget Jones. It was very like.

• 4:16Laci Mosley?

  It was a struggle. I was looking embarrassed. It was a struggle.

• 4:19Speaker 06

  It was. Have you seen Because I Said So? Have you seen?

• 4:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but not in a long time.

• 4:23Speaker 06

  Okay, it's like, I think it's in this movie. I think it's Mandy Moore like walks over and is trying to go to work and like has her dress caught in her underwear and she's tripping across the street.

• 4:32Laci Mosley?

  It was very much that.

• 4:33Speaker 06

  It's kind of that.

• 4:33Laci Mosley?

  It was giving that. And I was, I couldn't even try to like make it cute. I was like, I'm giving up. It's Kimia. She knows.

• 4:39Speaker 06

  And to me, that's cute. Bridget Jones is my type, so I'm in.

• 4:42Laci Mosley?

  I love that.

• 4:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 4:44Laci Mosley?

  So I have to ask you, Kimia, what's, what's your relationship with scams now? What, any scams that have been crossing your eye? Any of you run? Any that have tried to run on you? Could be anything.

• 4:54Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm actually really disappointed in scams.

• 4:57Laci Mosley?

  Really?

• 4:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think they're really, really getting my parents right now.

• 5:02Laci Mosley?

  Damn, still?

• 5:02Speaker 06

  And that's fucked up. Yeah, yeah. I like, I went to visit them for Thanksgiving.

• 5:07Laci Mosley?

  Of course.

• 5:07Speaker 06

  And all that happened was just every day they'd get a phone call that they would interact with.

• 5:12Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no.

• 5:12Speaker 06

  And give information to. And I was like, stop, stop. It's a scam. Stop. My mom has canceled like five credit cards.

• 5:20Laci Mosley?

  You need to call them more, Kimia.

• 5:21Speaker 06

  I am.

• 5:22Laci Mosley?

  That's why they're talking to the scammers.

• 5:24Speaker 06

  Don't put that shit on me, Lacey.

• 5:25Laci Mosley?

  I am. I'm putting all that shit on you. You're their only daughter.

• 5:28Speaker 06

  I know.

• 5:29Laci Mosley?

  You're their only child. You have to call them like twice as much as other families.

• 5:33Speaker 06

  Right.

• 5:33Laci Mosley?

  To compensate for the other siblings.

• 5:35Speaker 06

  They are calling me now to ask me like, is this a scam?

• 5:38Laci Mosley?

  Okay, good.

• 5:38Speaker 06

  This happened to me, so that's good. They just don't like to bother me. And I don't think it's a bother. That's like their perspective, that they're bothering me. No, I'd love to help them not get scammed.

• 5:47Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 5:47Speaker 06

  Yes. And then also, you know, AI is like really tricking my mom on the internet.

• 5:52Laci Mosley?

  Oh, it's getting harder and harder to tell.

• 5:54Speaker 06

  It's really bad. She thought she ordered some like weight loss thing from Oprah and she sent me the video and I was like, that's not Oprah, man.

• 6:01Laci Mosley?

  Oh, it was Orpla?

• 6:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 6:03Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no. It was OrpZempic?

• 6:06Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 6:07Laci Mosley?

  No, no. We hate OrpZempic.

• 6:11Laci Mosley?

  You get a shot, you get a shot, you get a shot. No.

• 6:13Speaker 06

  It's tough. It just like so didn't look like her either. It just kind of was her face and it wasn't even tracking well in the video. And then it's just, I don't know what to do.

• 6:22Laci Mosley?

  If that one's getting them, then the more advanced ones I know from like Sora and other places are probably getting them. Cause I get on TikTok and I have to like look at the video and then check the comments. Or like really stare at how the people are moving.

• 6:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 6:34Laci Mosley?

  Like if they're moving too smooth, if the movements are too fluid, it's AI. Cause that's not how people move.

• 6:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 6:40Laci Mosley?

  People move a little bit more jerky. And so I look at that or like one time it got me.

• 6:45Speaker 06

  Uh oh.

• 6:45Laci Mosley?

  It got me, but like I checked the comments before I said anything. Cause I was about to say something like the video like made me tear up. It was like, this is a pet adoption center.

• 6:53Speaker 06

  I fucking saw that. It's where the dogs pick you. Fuck that video. We cried so hard watching that video and then it was like, that's AI. That sucks.

• 7:03Laci Mosley?

  That sucks. Cause I was like, maybe I'll go to this place and a dog will choose me. No, it's not fucking real.

• 7:09Speaker 06

  That sucks.

• 7:10Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that was a bummer one.

• 7:11Speaker 06

  Yeah. And it's like, I don't understand. Who is deciding to do that with AI? What do you gain from tricking everyone in this way?

• 7:19Laci Mosley?

  People who don't have any creativity.

• 7:21Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 7:22Laci Mosley?

  And now it's like creativity is being commodified in such a way that everyone wants to like participate in. Everyone wants to go viral. Everyone wants to go live and get money off of TikTok or whatever. And if you don't have any creative instincts, if you're not naturally funny or you don't, you know, do videos of you like cooking gourmet meals for your dogs in a tiny dog sized kitchen. Like if you don't have that kind of innovation, then you get on AI and you just like come up with something on there because that's not your ministry.

• 7:48Speaker 06

  Dang savage. Get them. You're so right.

• 7:51Laci Mosley?

  I hate them. I hate them. You know what I hate too? The fucking AI telenovelas on TikTok. Have you seen these?

• 7:56Speaker 06

  No, I'm not on TikTok anymore. Bless. So I get all my videos. I get all my videos a month late on reels.

• 8:04Laci Mosley?

  That's literally how it goes. No, they're like, this little telenovelas now would be like, she was a rich heiress whose baby was switched by her husband to the mistress's baby at birth. And then when the inheritors, and I like, sometimes I'll be watching, I'll be like, damn, this is crazy. And I'm like, why am I, this is fucking AI, I can't watch these, like.

• 8:25Speaker 06

  Dang.

• 8:25Laci Mosley?

  They're try, they're, they're really trying to replace actors.

• 8:28Speaker 06

  They are, but are those actors better than me and you? No. Come on.

• 8:33Laci Mosley?

  But now people consume slop, there's so much on television.

• 8:37Speaker 06

  We're being trained to like that now, that's crazy.

• 8:40Laci Mosley?

  They're like, we'll give them whatever we feed them, they have no choice.

• 8:45Speaker 06

  God, we're little piggies in a trough now.

• 8:47Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:47Speaker 06

  Damn.

• 8:48Laci Mosley?

  An art trough. I don't know how we fix it.

• 8:51Speaker 06

  It's your job on this pod.

• 8:53Laci Mosley?

  I'm trying, I'm doing my best, I'm doing my absolute best. I'm trying to think of, oh my gosh, the scam that is pissing me off right now, fucking Waymos.

• 9:02Speaker 06

  Okay, they're a scam?

• 9:03Laci Mosley?

  To me they are.

• 9:04Speaker 06

  I believe you.

• 9:05Laci Mosley?

  A self-driving car.

• 9:06Speaker 06

  Right.

• 9:06Laci Mosley?

  That people have gotten locked inside of them when they were trying to like, get out to their destination. They've been driving through like, large, like, shallow banks of water because the Waymo can't detect that there's like, a large amount of water that they're driving through.

• 9:19Speaker 06

  It doesn't know what water is?

• 9:21Laci Mosley?

  When they drive down roads, you know how sometimes you have to merge because there's construction and there's like cones on the road?

• 9:26Speaker 06

  You can't see cones?

• 9:27Laci Mosley?

  The Waymo can't see the cones.

• 9:28Speaker 06

  That's crazy.

• 9:28Laci Mosley?

  So it was driving like, it was on a normal street, like, just running over cones.

• 9:33Speaker 06

  Oh my god.

• 9:33Laci Mosley?

  One time a girl got into a Waymo and there was a man in the trunk.

• 9:37Speaker 06

  What do you mean, what do you mean about that? You're gonna have to explain.

• 9:42Laci Mosley?

  And he was like, I don't know they put me here.

• 9:44Speaker 06

  No, that's not enough. No, Lacey, reread that article or watch that video again.

• 9:49Laci Mosley?

  No, because Waymos are supposed to like, sense if there's more than one body in the car or whatever. There's like scanners, you're basically getting scanned the whole time and it's scanning the road. And so, it was hiding in the area where I guess the scanner didn't like, see him. And so this girl got into the car, this is like a news story, I checked it, it wasn't AI.

• 10:06Speaker 06

  Why was the guy in the trunk? I don't, I don't know. Need to know anything beyond that.

• 10:09Laci Mosley?

  I still don't know why he was in the trunk.

• 10:11Speaker 06

  You said, "They put me here."

• 10:13Laci Mosley?

  He said that.

• 10:13Speaker 06

  He said, "Who put him there, the Waymos have get in the trunk?"

• 10:16Laci Mosley?

  He said, "The they put him there."

• 10:17Speaker 06

  The they?

• 10:18Laci Mosley?

  The they put him there.

• 10:20Speaker 06

  Damn. Damn. A Waymo pulls up and, and tells you to get in the trunk, what are you gonna do?

• 10:26Laci Mosley?

  I mean. I'm scared of it.

• 10:30Speaker 06

  I'll probably get in.

• 10:31Laci Mosley?

  The Waymos are getting in accidents, they're holding up traffic.

• 10:34Speaker 06

  They can go on the freeway now, can you believe that?

• 10:35Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I've seen them on the freeway, it's terrifying.

• 10:38Speaker 06

  That shouldn't happen.

• 10:38Laci Mosley?

  Cause I'm like, here's my biggest example of why I don't think that we need them. Like, yes, human error is like fucking huge as hell. But, there's something that the eyes can do, the brain can process, that a Waymo can't do. Yeah, a Waymo can scan the area and make sure you're not running into another car, you're staying on the road or whatever. But one time, I think it was Ellie, you know Ellie Woods?

• 10:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 10:59Laci Mosley?

  She had posted on Facebook, so obviously this was years ago, cause I don't read Facebook. Yeah, back in the ancient times.

• 11:06Speaker 06

  Okay, let's hear it.

• 11:06Laci Mosley?

  She posted on the Book of Faces.

• 11:08Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 11:09Laci Mosley?

  And I just so happened to see it and she was like, guys, please stop texting and driving. Whatever you're looking at can absolutely wait and it's not worth your life.

• 11:16Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:17Laci Mosley?

  And I'm such an anxious person that if I see an email pop up, or if it's work or something, I will like glance at it, or I will like pick up my phone.

• 11:24Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:24Laci Mosley?

  And I remember I saw something pop up on my phone from like my reps or something, and I was like, oh, this is probably important. And then I was like, wait, Ellie said, don't text and drive.

• 11:33Speaker 06

  Oh my god, that's so sweet.

• 11:35Laci Mosley?

  And in that moment, I looked up, I put my phone down, and I looked back up, I was like glancing down.

• 11:40Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 11:40Laci Mosley?

  I looked back up and I saw that there was like this, um, you know those rinky-dink like, um, beat up like Ford? Like trucks that are like, they have a back to them, like they have the...

• 11:52Speaker 06

  It's kind of rude, description of this car.

• 11:55Laci Mosley?

  Well, no, because they're like construction trucks, they're constantly like hitting shit, or I don't know, getting dinged up or whatever, they're like the smaller ones. So I look up, and I see one has these like half-hazard window panes, like stacks of window panes, like half-hazardly tied around the bed of the truck. And I was like, ooh, I need to get out of this lane. And two seconds later, I kid you not, I'm on the like 101, these window panes start flying off the back of the truck.

• 12:21Speaker 06

  Dang.

• 12:23Laci Mosley?

  And if it was a Waymo, I would've just been getting hit with window panes.

• 12:26Speaker 06

  That's true, the Waymo can't decide that.

• 12:27Laci Mosley?

  The window pane can't be like, oh, this is not a lane to be in, or, oh, this person is driving recklessly, I should move.

• 12:32Speaker 06

  The Waymo doesn't know Ellie Woods.

• 12:34Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 12:35Speaker 06

  Wouldn't have saved, saved a life.

• 12:37Laci Mosley?

  I know, that's, that's why I hate them.

• 12:38Speaker 06

  I hate them too, get them out of here.

• 12:40Laci Mosley?

  I know, we don't need them. And that's the whole thing about AI and all this technology that these tech bros are making, they're like, this is so innovative, and we're like, nobody asked for this.

• 12:47Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 12:48Laci Mosley?

  Like, what if we place everything you love with a machine?

• 12:51Speaker 06

  Mm-mm.

• 12:52Laci Mosley?

  And then you do the stuff that you hate?

• 12:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, I don't think that's how the pitch went, but that is how it is manifesting in our daily lives.

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• 14:07Laci Mosley?

  But okay, let's get into the main event here. Historic hoodwings. This is where I were Gail Kimia with the famous con caper group of criminals, singular scam artists. We don't know. We don't know yet. And maybe we love them. Maybe we hate them. Maybe we want them way mode.

• 14:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm starting with hate.

• 14:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 14:26Speaker 06

  Is that bad? I should start neutral, but I'm starting that.

• 14:28Laci Mosley?

  No, I think base level hate is good.

• 14:29Speaker 06

  Good, okay.

• 14:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then maybe you'll rise up to love.

• 14:32Speaker 06

  We'll see.

• 14:32Laci Mosley?

  So we're talking about Owen Hanson. So Owen Hanson went from a beach volleyball prodigy to USC football player to international drug dealer slash money launderer for the most powerful cartel in Mexico. So I want to go back here. So this is Owen.

• 14:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm seeing that. And this is, I cannot just say, before we started, Jess was like, this guy is hot. And now I'm looking at him. What do we think here? That is a thumb come to life.

• 14:59Speaker 07

  In my defense, he gets hot as we go.

• 15:01Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 15:02Laci Mosley?

  Okay, maybe Jess, because you really told us before we started recording, Jess, that he was going to be hot. And I'm looking at a guy that's like, he gets paid 20 bucks to stand in the lineup like every week. Like, his face is so unremarkable.

• 15:14Speaker 06

  I would like to take a needle and just stick it in his side, let a little bit of air out. Then I think we'll be good. Just kind of. And then we're good.

• 15:23Laci Mosley?

  You put a little bit too much air in the tires.

• 15:24Speaker 06

  That guy, that's that guy.

• 15:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I can see it. His PSI is way too high.

• 15:28Speaker 06

  Too high.

• 15:29Laci Mosley?

  Just way too high. But so I love that he went from beach volleyball prodigy to USC football player, which that's a great football team. And then to, like, so these two things, like, obviously, he's a great athlete.

• 15:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 15:41Laci Mosley?

  Like, if you can go from one sport to another that are both very difficult, like, okay, props to you. Now, how do we jump to international drug dealer slash money laundering for the most powerful cartel in Mexico?

• 15:53Speaker 06

  I don't know. I guess anyone gets desperate.

• 15:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, what's the USC football player pipeline to, like, cartel?

• 15:59Speaker 06

  Well, I guess it's just, I don't know, it's like, last year, if the cartel approached me, I'd be like, sure. There's no work in LA. I guess I'm going to a cartel.

• 16:09Laci Mosley?

  You're teaching improv at the cartel?

• 16:11Speaker 06

  I'm just kind of like, that's maybe how he got there. There wasn't a lot of sport job to do.

• 16:17Laci Mosley?

  Right. It's like, you've got to take your sports skills to, like, I don't know, murder for hire. Those people have to be very athletic.

• 16:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 16:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so maybe, maybe. So he's now the subject of the docu-series Cocaine Quarterback on Amazon. So, of course, he already has a docu-series.

• 16:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 16:34Laci Mosley?

  Cocaine Quarterback is a great name.

• 16:36Speaker 06

  It's fine.

• 16:37Laci Mosley?

  It could mean so many things. I'm intrigued by it.

• 16:39Speaker 06

  It can only mean one thing.

• 16:40Laci Mosley?

  Lots of cocaine before he was, like, throwing routes?

• 16:42Speaker 06

  Oh, I guess, but yeah.

• 16:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 16:44Speaker 06

  I guess, yeah.

• 16:44Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Is he quarterbacking the cocaine? They're like, he's our best coke guy, like.

• 16:49Speaker 06

  I think you're, I think that's why they named it that. It's exactly both.

• 16:52Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. All right, Tom.

• 16:57Laci Mosley?

  So, Owen O'Dog Hanson, okay, O'Dog, I hate O'Dog. Okay, he does have a body.

• 17:04Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 17:04Laci Mosley?

  He is, okay, just.

• 17:06Speaker 06

  We let some air out. This is good.

• 17:07Laci Mosley?

  We let some air out in this photo, and he does have a body, okay. Okay, I see him. O'Dog. I feel like I'm only gonna let you get away from having, like, the nickname O'Dog if you have that many muscles.

• 17:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, or if somebody else gave it to you and you can't help it. But it feels like this guy decided himself that it's like, call me O'Dog.

• 17:25Laci Mosley?

  He started floating it. Yeah, that's what it is. He was like, yeah, hey, hey, bro, my name's Owen, but you can call me O'Dog.

• 17:30Speaker 06

  Oh, God.

• 17:31Laci Mosley?

  That's how he did it.

• 17:31Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 17:32Laci Mosley?

  That's how he did it. Oh, I love that. Wait, what would be your introduction name if you were floating a nickname to people?

• 17:37Speaker 06

  If I was floating a nickname? Shoot.

• 17:45Speaker 06

  Hang on, hang on. We'll get something good. All I can think of is cocaine and K-Dog.

• 17:51Laci Mosley?

  I know.

• 17:51Speaker 06

  I can't freaking get past it.

• 17:53Laci Mosley?

  Does it have to coincide? Could I be like, "Hi, my name is Lacey, but you can call me Smoochy."

• 17:57Speaker 06

  Ooh, that's cute.

• 17:59Laci Mosley?

  Like, "Smoochy? That's Smoochy over there."

• 18:00Speaker 06

  Okay. "Hey, my name is Kimia, but you can call me C- C- Cudi." Ah, crap, I'm so mad at this. Can we not do this exercise anymore?

• 18:11Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my god, not exercise.

• 18:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, that was an improv exercise.

• 18:17Laci Mosley?

  It was this little zip, zap, zap?

• 18:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 18:19Laci Mosley?

  Oh, haven't done those in a while.

• 18:20Speaker 06

  We don't need it.

• 18:21Laci Mosley?

  So, O-Dog grew up in Redondo Beach, California, the son of construction worker dad, who went through a pretty rough divorce. So, his dad got divorced, and you know that's like the most traumatic thing that's happened in most privileged people's lives? Is they're like, "My parents got divorced and it changed my life and it's all my trauma." And I'm like, "Dude."

• 18:39Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm. That's the worst you got?

• 18:41Laci Mosley?

  That's the worst you got?

• 18:42Speaker 06

  I know. I know that. I acknowledge it's tough, but...

• 18:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. There are trauma Olympics.

• 18:48Speaker 06

  There, it's true.

• 18:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I hate when I see a post and it's like, "Oh, I'm missing my mom today." And then someone in the comments is like, "Oh, yes, I remember when I lost my, like, fourth cousin." I'm like, "I think Mom Trump's fourth cousin."

• 18:59Speaker 06

  That's true.

• 19:00Laci Mosley?

  Mom Trump's grandma.

• 19:02Speaker 06

  Yes, yeah.

• 19:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like, you can't be like, you know? People are like, "Oh, I lost my cat the other day." Like, cat is not people.

• 19:08Speaker 06

  No.

• 19:09Laci Mosley?

  Cat does not trump people.

• 19:10Speaker 06

  Right. I guess we're just trying to find community and share grief, but...

• 19:14Laci Mosley?

  And everyone is entitled to feel how they feel.

• 19:16Speaker 06

  But there is a hierarchy, okay?

• 19:18Laci Mosley?

  You just gotta know when to be quiet.

• 19:19Speaker 06

  So just kind of clock in. If someone posts about their cousin, then you can talk about your fourth cousin.

• 19:23Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. That's cousin time.

• 19:25Speaker 06

  That's what we're saying here.

• 19:27Laci Mosley?

  So Owen stayed with his dad while his sister went away to live with their mom. Ooh, so they beefing.

• 19:34Speaker 06

  Okay, yeah.

• 19:35Laci Mosley?

  Giving Miley Cyrus, like, some people got some kids in divorce, some people got some others.

• 19:39Speaker 06

  They're like, girls and boys split.

• 19:40Laci Mosley?

  Hmm. Which, like, okay, I would rather live with my mom, even if I was a boy, because I just feel like the house is gonna be like, the fridge is gonna be stocked, it's gonna be nicer. Like, she'll probably get, but you know what, though? The advantage of living with the dad is he'll get you a new mom faster.

• 19:56Speaker 06

  I see.

• 19:57Laci Mosley?

  He will.

• 19:58Speaker 06

  Come on.

• 19:59Laci Mosley?

  Guys get divorced, they're like already on the apps, they haven't even signed the papers. Like, you'll have a new mom in like forty-eight hours.

• 20:04Speaker 06

  I don't see that as a bonus.

• 20:09Laci Mosley?

  It is, because you know, those types of men are looking for a woman who's gonna support them.

• 20:12Speaker 06

  I hate this.

• 20:13Laci Mosley?

  And then you get that trickle-down support.

• 20:14Speaker 06

  Mm-mm.

• 20:15Laci Mosley?

  That trickle-down secretary stepmom.

• 20:17Speaker 06

  No.

• 20:18Laci Mosley?

  That's a good movie, Secretary Stepmom.

• 20:21Speaker 06

  You can write that. You can have that.

• 20:23Laci Mosley?

  You can have that when you're not, you know what?

• 20:24Speaker 06

  Just put me in it.

• 20:25Laci Mosley?

  I'll put you in it for sure.

• 20:26Speaker 06

  I can't join the cartel.

• 20:28Laci Mosley?

  Not right now.

• 20:29Speaker 06

  No, no, no, no. Hopefully this year's better.

• 20:31Laci Mosley?

  But if it's not, I mean.

• 20:33Speaker 06

  I will go to the cartel. See.

• 20:35Laci Mosley?

  You know, like, Kilos, I'm familiar. Like, I could, I feel like I could do a good job. I could be a personality hire for the cartel.

• 20:41Speaker 06

  That's good. I can just kind of move stuff in the stockroom. I feel like I'm really focused on one task. I could just sort out the drugs for them.

• 20:49Laci Mosley?

  And I feel like that's how you don't get murdered.

• 20:51Speaker 06

  That's nice.

• 20:52Laci Mosley?

  Now, you might have to do it in your underwear, because I think they don't want you to be stealing.

• 20:56Speaker 06

  Oh, that's fine.

• 20:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 20:58Speaker 06

  Or they'll meet me and know that this person will never touch the drugs.

• 21:02Laci Mosley?

  Maybe I could do, like, yeah, that's true.

• 21:04Speaker 06

  You talk to me for two seconds, they're like, are you sure?

• 21:07Laci Mosley?

  It's giving, like, uh, upper-level management.

• 21:10Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 21:11Laci Mosley?

  Like, you got a clipboard for the drugs.

• 21:13Speaker 06

  I'm like, so you need what where? Got it? Uh-huh.

• 21:16Laci Mosley?

  I definitely would probably try to steal the drugs. I feel like they would know that about me. Like, so I feel like I need to be in, like, the leaves process, like, when it's not the drug yet, when it's still getting processed.

• 21:26Speaker 06

  You're gonna be a chemist, you're making the drug? Good god. You gotta go back to school for that.

• 21:31Laci Mosley?

  So Owen goes with the dad. And Owen slept on the top bunk with a renter sleeping on the bottom bunk. So his dad could make some extra cash. See, this is what I said about going to live with your dad. Now you got, you, you live underneath a border.

• 21:46Speaker 06

  This is so rough.

• 21:47Laci Mosley?

  It's giving Hey Arnold. Like, why are so many people?

• 21:50Speaker 06

  Well, they had their own rooms in Hey Arnold.

• 21:52Laci Mosley?

  That's true. That's true. They did.

• 21:54Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 21:55Laci Mosley?

  And he's, and how you gonna have your son sharing a room with a renter? You don't know these renters?

• 21:59Speaker 06

  Who's this renter who's like, yeah, I'll sleep under your son?

• 22:02Laci Mosley?

  And then, oh, yeah, are you putting that in Craigslist ads?

• 22:05Speaker 06

  I hate this.

• 22:06Laci Mosley?

  Bed for rent, son is upstairs, bed neighbor. What?

• 22:11Speaker 06

  God, this guy's kind of a hero now that I know he ends up like on USC football through all this.

• 22:16Laci Mosley?

  I'm kind of not mad at it.

• 22:17Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 22:18Laci Mosley?

  So his parents divorce sent Owen into a spiral.

• 22:21Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 22:21Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. And

• 22:25Laci Mosley?

  and we, and we feel that spiral for you.

• 22:29Speaker 06

  We do.

• 22:30Laci Mosley?

  As a California kid, beach volleyball became his drug. He says, I didn't drink. I didn't do drugs. I slept with my volleyball.

• 22:39Speaker 06

  Oh, boy.

• 22:40Laci Mosley?

  Above his bed neighbor.

• 22:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, right?

• 22:42Laci Mosley?

  You left that part out, but this is where he was sleeping. So imagine being the below deck neighbor and it's like you got somebody sleeping like they castaway with like Wilson. Just up there with your volleyball.

• 22:53Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 22:54Laci Mosley?

  Are you taking the volleyball to bed every night? Okay, oh, dog. Whatever you gotta do to survive. So volleyball went pretty well for him. By high school, he was six foot three and had a 37 inch vertical jump, which is really high.

• 23:09Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 23:09Laci Mosley?

  The average vertical jump for a man, if you don't know, is 20 inches.

• 23:13Speaker 06

  Oh, wow, then, yeah, that's high.

• 23:15Laci Mosley?

  That's how we always joke about in the Olympics, we need one regular person next to all the superhuman people. So we can actually gauge how good they are.

• 23:22Speaker 06

  That is.

• 23:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 23:23Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 23:23Laci Mosley?

  They need that in basketball, too. Cause I, I hate, like, when I, I'll sometimes click on, like, sports fans, guys who are, like, really up in arms and, like, tweeting at LeBron or tweeting at Cade, you know, whoever. And like, look at their physique and like, look at them. And I'm like, you could never do what they do.

• 23:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 23:40Laci Mosley?

  You are not entitled to an opinion.

• 23:41Speaker 06

  Totally.

• 23:42Laci Mosley?

  I just think if you can't do it, you should shut up.

• 23:44Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, but that's their fandom. What else are they gonna yell about? They're mad at somebody else, but they're yelling at KD.

• 23:50Laci Mosley?

  Someone said sports fans are just like K-pop fans in a different vibe.

• 23:53Speaker 06

  They are.

• 23:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 23:54Speaker 06

  Yes. It's true. The way I feel about the WNBA is how my friend feels about K-pop.

• 24:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 24:00Speaker 06

  So I got it.

• 24:01Laci Mosley?

  They know the stats, they know they got the fan cam.

• 24:03Speaker 06

  Yes, it's the freaking same. So.

• 24:06Laci Mosley?

  He got this vertical, right? He's got all this volleyball talent. This got him a volleyball scholarship to USC, which is, you don't know, the University of Southern California.

• 24:15Speaker 06

  Boo. Boo, I went to UCLA, so I have to do that. I just kinda have to do that, sorry.

• 24:20Laci Mosley?

  No, it's fine. I'm glad you did it.

• 24:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, thanks.

• 24:22Laci Mosley?

  They would be disappointed if you didn't.

• 24:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had to do it.

• 24:24Laci Mosley?

  So it's a school for like the rich kids of celebrities, you know, who didn't get into Ivy's. Um, and later, you know, it would become the primary site for the Varsity Blues scandal, which if you don't know, was like rich people and celebrities were bribing coaching staff, or they were like bribing tutors who were really good at taking the SAT into like cheating on the SAT for their kids and all that stuff. So if you don't remember Varsity Blues, uh, we have a great episode on it. It's super fun because these people are crazy.

• 24:50Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 24:51Laci Mosley?

  So Owen would never have thought going to USC without a scholarship, right? Cause he's like on the top bunk of his debt, you know, he don't got money for that.

• 25:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 25:01Laci Mosley?

  Unfortunately, when he got there, the volleyball coach threatened to cut him from the team if he didn't improve his strength and vertical jump. So remember, he couldn't go there without a scholarship, so volleyball is for him to live.

• 25:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, totally.

• 25:15Laci Mosley?

  He living off the ball.

• 25:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, wait, improve it more than, didn't we already say he's like a, got a crazy impressive vert?

• 25:21Laci Mosley?

  I, I guess it was for high school, but then he got to USC. Those are top-tier athletes.

• 25:25Speaker 06

  Athletes are tough, man. Once you hit the top, everyone's like, no, there's more.

• 25:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, there's more.

• 25:30Speaker 06

  You could keep going.

• 25:30Laci Mosley?

  No, sorry, you were, you were in a barrel, babes. This is the ocean. This is the ocean.

• 25:34Speaker 06

  That sucks. Okay.

• 25:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like you're krill, babes. We got whales out here.

• 25:39Speaker 06

  Oh my god, stressful.

• 25:40Laci Mosley?

  So stressful. So that makes me feel bad for him because I really want him to be able to get his school.

• 25:46Speaker 06

  I know.

• 25:47Laci Mosley?

  So he could have really like hit the gym, but instead he hit up his Mexican friends from Redondo, including one particular.

• 25:57Speaker 06

  Okay, keep going.

• 25:58Laci Mosley?

  He could have hit the gym, but then he was like, nah.

• 26:01Speaker 06

  That's such a funny sentence.

• 26:03Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna hit up my Mexican friends from Redondo. Cause y'all ain't making me jump higher. I'm jumping high enough bitch.

• 26:11Laci Mosley?

  So, one of his friends in particular, whose name was Spanky.

• 26:15Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 26:16Laci Mosley?

  Spanky took Owen to Tijuana. To a veterinarian where they bought steroids to smuggle back to the US.

• 26:24Speaker 06

  Oh no.

• 26:24Laci Mosley?

  Okay, this is starting to thread for me now. This is starting to make sense why he hit up Spanky. He was like, I don't wanna hit the gym. Spanky, can we go get these roids from Tijuana?

• 26:32Speaker 06

  Right, from a vet.

• 26:34Laci Mosley?

  These Tijuana roids.

• 26:35Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 26:36Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:36Speaker 06

  Yuck.

• 26:38Laci Mosley?

  So Owen got the drugs across the border in his booty crack.

• 26:42Speaker 06

  No.

• 26:43Laci Mosley?

  Not the hole.

• 26:45Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 26:45Laci Mosley?

  The crack.

• 26:46Speaker 06

  Fine.

• 26:47Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so they were cleaner, okay?

• 26:49Speaker 06

  I mean, aren't they just for him? It's fine. He could put it on his butt and then take it.

• 26:53Laci Mosley?

  He's very insistent on this in the documentary that don't say it was booty hole.

• 26:58Speaker 06

  Oh, not a no homo, this guy.

• 27:01Laci Mosley?

  Not a no homo.

• 27:02Speaker 06

  Come on, buddy.

• 27:03Laci Mosley?

  How you gonna smuggle drugs and be like, pause? No! Like, they're smuggling and this booty hole and booty crack, they right there.

• 27:09Speaker 06

  It absolutely was in his hole then.

• 27:11Laci Mosley?

  It had to have been.

• 27:12Speaker 06

  That's kind of it.

• 27:13Laci Mosley?

  Cause he's saying, he's, he's, why is he saying it so much that they weren't?

• 27:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 27:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they were in his hole.

• 27:18Speaker 06

  We got you, O-Dog.

• 27:18Laci Mosley?

  He was probably like, there were probably some overflow in the crack. But it was in the hole.

• 27:24Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 27:26Laci Mosley?

  So this successful smuggling experience gave Owen a high that he continued to chase for the rest of his life.

• 27:32Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 27:33Laci Mosley?

  I'm sure when you put steroids in a orifice, you get quite the high.

• 27:37Speaker 06

  Right. Jeez.

• 27:42Laci Mosley?

  So the butt steroids got Owen so jacked that one of the coaches for the USC football team noticed his muscles and asked him to try out for the team. Even though he'd never thrown a football in his life.

• 27:54Speaker 06

  Dang.

• 27:55Laci Mosley?

  So a coach saw him and was like, man.

• 27:57Speaker 06

  Sometimes you just need to be a big boy for sports. Isn't that kind of a bummer?

• 28:02Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 28:02Speaker 06

  What to think about where I'm like, okay, wait, is that, is that the same for women? I guess you could be tall and then they're like, play basketball. You still have to be coordinated. You still have to coordinate. Sometimes being a big boy in football is just, you kinda gotta stand there and ram yourself into another guy. Am I simplifying football too much?

• 28:19Laci Mosley?

  But I feel like there's probably some like volleyball people who are just super tall and like you try to spike it over the net and they're just like, no. Like they just raise their hands like, no.

• 28:28Speaker 06

  That's fair. I'm just so small. I'm so jealous.

• 28:31Laci Mosley?

  I know. I mean, athleticism is just, it's luck, man. It's luck. You get it or you don't. You can work real hard at it, but sometimes you're just never gonna get there.

• 28:41Speaker 06

  That's so bummer.

• 28:42Laci Mosley?

  That's why I miss middle school sports because they really started to weed out the delulus. And the people whose parents were like pushing them into sports, trying to relive their like high school fantasies. And then, like, I don't know about you, but like, I tried to play basketball.

• 28:55Speaker 06

  Yes. I also tried.

• 29:00Laci Mosley?

  I auditioned. See, I'm gonna say I auditioned for the basketball team. That's not what you do. You don't audition for, you try out.

• 29:05Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 29:06Laci Mosley?

  That's how I knew I shouldn't be there. It's like, I have basketball auditions today.

• 29:09Speaker 06

  Oh, Lacey.

• 29:10Laci Mosley?

  I was like, let me watch some high school musical and get prepared.

• 29:12Speaker 06

  No.

• 29:14Laci Mosley?

  And they did the nicest thing though, like when all the tryouts were done, they had like three different teams, right? And they had the varsity, the JV, and then like the losers, the backup string.

• 29:25Speaker 06

  We didn't have the third team where I'm from.

• 29:29Laci Mosley?

  Like, no.

• 29:30Speaker 06

  No, we just had the...

• 29:32Laci Mosley?

  Okay, it was just the two then. Okay. That makes me feel better.

• 29:35Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 29:36Laci Mosley?

  But um, when the tryouts were over, they handed you a letter. And so everyone got a letter. They didn't put it up on the board to try to embarrass your ass. They handed you a letter. And then you left, you went home and you opened your letter on the bus. So you could cry in private. I didn't cry, but I was like, I'm not gonna get in. And I opened it and was like, yeah, I figured.

• 29:56Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 29:57Laci Mosley?

  So, you know, we can't all be Owen. We can't all be O-Dog.

• 30:00Speaker 06

  I know. Good for him.

• 30:01Laci Mosley?

  He became a walk-on for the football team in 2003 as a tight end. Like you said, big boy.

• 30:06Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:07Laci Mosley?

  He wasn't a quarterback, even though the docu-series called him cocaine quarterback. That just hit different. Like cocaine tight end feels like something else.

• 30:14Speaker 06

  It's what he doesn't want.

• 30:16Laci Mosley?

  It's what he doesn't want.

• 30:17Speaker 06

  He doesn't want us to think about it in his booty hole.

• 30:19Laci Mosley?

  Booting, I think. Cocaine tight end. If you know, you know.

• 30:23Speaker 06

  Damn, Lacey.

• 30:24Laci Mosley?

  That's a deep cut for some gays. So, they'll know. You can Google it, but I don't recommend Googling it. Just, just ask a friend. So...

• 30:34Laci Mosley?

  Owen's teammates included lots of future pro NFL players like Matt Lionheart and Reggie Bush.

• 30:43Speaker 06

  I've heard of that one.

• 30:44Laci Mosley?

  Yes, we've all heard of, I mean, because of Kim K, is that why you heard of Reggie Bush? Or because of Heisman, or because they took the Heisman back, or because they gave it back to him later?

• 30:50Speaker 06

  Uh, I think it's just because of Wendy's commercials, unfortunately.

• 30:54Laci Mosley?

  Wendy's commercials?

• 30:56Speaker 06

  Or maybe I'm thinking of the wrong guy. Oh, look at that. So that's Reggie Bush.

• 31:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, let's see, that's him with Kim K.

• 31:02Speaker 06

  Well, they dated.

• 31:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they did.

• 31:03Speaker 06

  Okay. Good for her.

• 31:07Speaker 06

  She's seen everybody, huh?

• 31:09Laci Mosley?

  She's, listen, she's trying every flavor, like, at the Baskin Robbins.

• 31:13Speaker 06

  She is.

• 31:14Laci Mosley?

  Like, maybe an athlete, maybe a comedian, you know, maybe a smart guy, maybe a dumb guy, you know? I love it. So, like on the volleyball team, Owen didn't actually play very much, but the partying was epic. Of course it was, because people are like superstars, they're on national television every day, and people are watching these games. So while partying with the team in Vegas, Owen met UFC fighter Chuck Liddell and a man named Tank, who would also become a close friend of Owen's. Yeah, I forget her name is Tank. Okay, so is that Chuck? That's...

• 31:48Speaker 06

  That's Chuck, nice.

• 31:49Laci Mosley?

  Chuck, what's happening here?

• 31:51Speaker 06

  That's what I thought he'd look like.

• 31:52Laci Mosley?

  He, it's like he had a mohawk, but they drew it on with a pencil. Like, it's so much head left over on each side, like, too much head. Like, what's happening?

• 32:03Speaker 06

  Uh, yeah, it is not a great hairstyle. Is his beard a different color? That's okay, that's maybe normal. No eyebrows, though?

• 32:11Laci Mosley?

  No, no eyebrows. He doesn't need those.

• 32:13Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 32:14Laci Mosley?

  There's a lot going on with his head. It's a little Roblox-y, but you know what? Good for him. And then we have Tank. Okay, and does Tank have an Angelina Jolie tattoo on his?

• 32:23Speaker 06

  No, that's gotta be a family member.

• 32:26Laci Mosley?

  It looks like Angelina.

• 32:27Speaker 06

  No, it doesn't, not to me. Okay, way in in the comments.

• 32:31Laci Mosley?

  It could be a poorly drawn Angelina, and every tattoo already saying good.

• 32:35Speaker 06

  That is not Angelina.

• 32:36Laci Mosley?

  Okay, that's Angelisha then.

• 32:39Speaker 06

  It could be, yes.

• 32:41Laci Mosley?

  This guy definitely looks roided up, like Tank.

• 32:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, totally.

• 32:44Laci Mosley?

  Come on, look at that hairline. He'd be doing roids.

• 32:46Speaker 06

  Oh dang.

• 32:47Laci Mosley?

  You know, he'd get up every day, air fighting. There's several holes in the, in the walls of his house.

• 32:53Speaker 06

  What?

• 32:54Laci Mosley?

  Just for mild inconveniences. Just from punching. I got you. He's like on hold too long with his cable provider. So funny.

• 33:03Laci Mosley?

  Fuck you, Comcast, you bitch. Dang. This tank. Robbery.

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• 33:40Speaker 00

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• 33:53Speaker 07

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• 34:28Speaker 00

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• 34:43Laci Mosley?

  So Tank had a better hookup for performance-enhancing drugs than the booty smuggler? Than the veterinarian in Mexico? Okay. So Tank took Owen up and Owen became the unofficial team doctor for the USC football players.

• 35:00Speaker 06

  Oh no.

• 35:01Laci Mosley?

  And other sports too, providing illegal drugs for players who were injured or wanted an extra boost or needed Adderall to stay awake in class. So I love that he's the unofficial team doctor. Like what a classy way.

• 35:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly. You can call him a doctor. Also, check out USC treating so hard.

• 35:20Laci Mosley?

  Cheating so hard.

• 35:21Speaker 06

  I bet every, I bet UCLA did this too.

• 35:23Laci Mosley?

  But I love this branding. Like I call scammers who like are him in different fields. They're serial entrepreneurs. Or if you sell drugs, you're a street pharmacist. So I love that he's the unofficial USC doctor, providing you with Adderall and non booty roids.

• 35:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 35:40Laci Mosley?

  And illegal drugs. So whatever you needed, basically.

• 35:43Speaker 06

  Kinda had it all.

• 35:43Laci Mosley?

  He was a pharmacy.

• 35:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, he was.

• 35:45Laci Mosley?

  I love that. The USC football team won the national championship game in 2005 and they were on top of the world.

• 35:51Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 35:52Laci Mosley?

  Owen didn't play in the game, but his dad did see him on TV during the celebration after the win.

• 35:59Speaker 06

  That's sweet.

• 36:00Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that's sweet for his dad. He was probably sitting in his bunk bed, like full circle moment.

• 36:05Speaker 06

  That's my boy.

• 36:07Laci Mosley?

  That's my boy.

• 36:13Laci Mosley?

  To his bed roommate.

• 36:14Speaker 06

  Yes. That's him. That's my boy.

• 36:17Laci Mosley?

  So what does a former collegiate athlete drug dealer do when he graduates and isn't good enough to play in the NFL? While his friends went off to play pro football, Owen started OwenSells.com.

• 36:31Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 36:31Laci Mosley?

  Okay, he got, he went and registered a domain.

• 36:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 36:35Laci Mosley?

  What do you think he's gonna be selling?

• 36:37Speaker 06

  It's drugs, right? Come on.

• 36:39Laci Mosley?

  Selling real estate.

• 36:40Speaker 06

  No, he's. I should've guessed better. I could've got there. Yeah.

• 36:47Laci Mosley?

  But that was just in time for the real estate crash of 2007.

• 36:52Speaker 06

  Oh boy.

• 36:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 36:53Speaker 06

  I mean, this is, things are not working out for O-Dog.

• 36:56Laci Mosley?

  It wasn't. And this is the economy. This is a millennial story. O-Dog was really pulling himself up by his bootstraps. He went from like bunkmate neighbors to like, you know, prestigious school athlete to another prestigious school football team at the same, you know, university. Now he's got the booty drugs. Now he's upgraded from the booty drugs to the, you know, tank drugs.

• 37:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 37:16Laci Mosley?

  And now he's the USC unofficial team doctor. And then he tries to do Owen Sales, which is definitely what I would think about for real estate. Like, I think when I Google real estate, it like comes up number one, for sure. Owen Sales.

• 37:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, sure.

• 37:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Because it's a great name for like a real estate company.

• 37:32Speaker 06

  Right.

• 37:33Laci Mosley?

  So now he's pivoting. Guess what he pivots to?

• 37:36Speaker 06

  Oh, God, I don't know.

• 37:38Laci Mosley?

  I'll wait.

• 37:39Speaker 06

  You're gonna, okay, so I'm gonna give a good guess. He pivots to building furniture.

• 37:45Laci Mosley?

  Wow, how wholesome. Like, Jesus.

• 37:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 37:48Laci Mosley?

  No, he pivoted to being a bookie.

• 37:51Speaker 06

  Oh, okay, of course. And now, looking at this photo that we've got up, that's the most bookie-looking man.

• 37:57Laci Mosley?

  That man definitely looked like he booking. He booking everything, and he breaking legs. You just know he got a tire out in his car at all times.

• 38:04Speaker 06

  Yes. I mean, his head is in the shape of a pin. Also, Jess, he did not get hotter. I will, I'm gonna say it.

• 38:12Laci Mosley?

  It's just this picture with Tank.

• 38:14Speaker 06

  Just kind of that. You kind of like his smile there.

• 38:16Laci Mosley?

  And, and Jess, I don't even know if he's hot there because he's wearing so much man makeup. He's got on a hat with the brim turned backwards, so we can't see the forehead size. He got these huge ass shades on, so we can't see the eyeballs, and if they're giving dead in the face. We're only getting lower half. It's like a reverse COVID mask. On the top of his face is gone, and we just get to imagine everything else. So maybe it was a smile and abs. Just smiling abs, Jess. It was just smiling abs. I'm sorry. Uh, I do miss that in COVID days where you could like see people out in their masks, and their eyes would be beautiful, and you just like imagine what their face looks like.

• 38:49Speaker 06

  You miss this?

• 38:50Laci Mosley?

  I got, it was just.

• 38:53Speaker 06

  The whimsy of COVID.

• 38:55Laci Mosley?

  I don't miss the COVID and the deaths.

• 38:57Speaker 06

  And I don't miss this part, where you could just guess the rest of someone's face.

• 39:01Laci Mosley?

  Grocery store and just like looked at people's eyes like, oh, they look, they look like they could be hot.

• 39:06Speaker 06

  Right.

• 39:06Laci Mosley?

  But then sometimes they would like take the mask off, and I'd go, oh, my God.

• 39:09Speaker 06

  That was the stressful part. You're like, dang, it does really matter.

• 39:13Laci Mosley?

  The halves of the face do so much. And I would argue it's like how you cut something through the center. Like, what would that be like for y'all out here listening? Like, you know how you can cut?

• 39:25Speaker 06

  What are you talking about symmetry? You trying to describe symmetry?

• 39:28Laci Mosley?

  No, but I mean, just like slicing it in half.

• 39:30Speaker 06

  I got you.

• 39:31Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but from like top to bottom.

• 39:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, horizontally.

• 39:33Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, there we go.

• 39:34Speaker 06

  There you go.

• 39:35Laci Mosley?

  Gosh, it took me a while to get there. I really need to eat something, Jesus. I was like, no, but you know, you know, when the...

• 39:42Speaker 06

  No, I got you.

• 39:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you know, Pythagorean theory and then the triangle. Okay, you got me. Yeah, so horizontal. I feel like that's the cut. It's like horizontal.

• 39:50Speaker 06

  That's where it matters.

• 39:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but that's a good scam for y'all. Cover up that top half. If that bottom half doing something for people, you know?

• 39:56Speaker 06

  That is a good scam for you all.

• 39:59Speaker 06

  I hope you find love.

• 40:00Laci Mosley?

  You're right. Know which top of your face is the good part. Put that on your apps. This guy has no bottom part of his face on his app. It's just his eyes.

• 40:09Speaker 06

  It could be the mystery is what pulled you in, right, Lacey?

• 40:15Laci Mosley?

  So, he had observed bookies at parties in Vegas. This is Owen. And he thought he had what it took to do it, given his sports background. So I love that he was inspired by these bookies. He was like, this looks like something like, that's what I'm talking about. Representation matters. You know, has he even had the bookie outfit?

• 40:32Speaker 06

  Yes, yes.

• 40:34Laci Mosley?

  He's given bookie. So on betodog.com, he is registering domains.

• 40:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:41Laci Mosley?

  He's like, I know GoDaddy, hate to see him coming.

• 40:44Speaker 06

  That's really millennial too, right? Just like making sure you got your domain locked in.

• 40:49Laci Mosley?

  And that's like one of my favorite things about millennials right now trolling this administration is like because they're so boomerish, they don't realize like when you start something, you need to like buy the domain name. So like when Trump slapped his name on the Kennedy Center, they didn't get the donate, the domain. But somebody did. Someone bought it. So now they can't get it.

• 41:09Speaker 06

  That's right. Bet you a millennial, freedom fighter.

• 41:11Laci Mosley?

  Has to be. You know it's us. Shout out to Tom from MySpace. He taught us how to code a little bit.

• 41:16Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 41:16Laci Mosley?

  And we're using it for good. Now, we might not be coming outside, but we're, but we're using it for good.

• 41:21Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 41:22Laci Mosley?

  So, betodog.com is where Owen took big sports bets from shadowy characters online. He opened an office in Costa Rica. Okay, why are you in Costa Rica, Odog? Why are you anywhere? I don't even understand. So, and he had an enforcer named Cobra.

• 41:41Speaker 06

  Okay, his friends have fun nicknames.

• 41:43Laci Mosley?

  Right? All of them. And so Cobra is like a six foot six tall blood.

• 41:51Laci Mosley?

  Blood?

• 41:52Speaker 06

  Uh oh.

• 41:52Laci Mosley?

  Like he in the gang?

• 41:54Speaker 06

  That's what I would-

• 41:54Laci Mosley?

  Why you talking about gang gang?

• 41:55Speaker 06

  That's what I think that means.

• 41:58Laci Mosley?

  Who could intimidate betters who lost and didn't pay up? So, I actually thought that Odog was gonna be breaking the legs, but he's got Cobra for that.

• 42:07Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 42:07Laci Mosley?

  And if you tell me Cobra, like that name always scares me.

• 42:10Speaker 06

  Me too.

• 42:10Laci Mosley?

  The health insurance is really expensive, that scares me, that Cobra, a snake Cobra scares me.

• 42:16Speaker 06

  Name another Cobra.

• 42:17Laci Mosley?

  The third Cobra is this blood.

• 42:19Speaker 06

  Fourth Cobra, fourth Cobra.

• 42:22Speaker 03

  Isn't there a malt liquor named Cobra too or something?

• 42:24Speaker 06

  Ah, damn, there probably is. That shit's probably so nasty and scary.

• 42:28Laci Mosley?

  It's scary. Drink Cobra if you wanna die tonight.

• 42:31Speaker 06

  Dude, you're so right. Okay, Cobra's scary all the way.

• 42:34Laci Mosley?

  One of Owen's most lucrative clients was a prominent member of a Mexican cartel who was regularly losing a hundred thousand dollars a week, until finally he hit a five-leg parlay and won two hundred twenty thousand dollars. And like parlays are hard, cuz it's like you have to bet a lot of specific things and they all have to happen in that one game for you to win. So like you could say like, oh, Katie's gonna leave in the first half and they're not on the same team, which on those whatever sports. But then LeBron's gonna score exactly forty-six points and, you know, somebody gonna trip and fall at the third half. Like if you put all these things together and you hit, the parlay pays the biggest cuz it's like so hard to make that bet.

• 43:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 43:20Laci Mosley?

  So, you know, we got the Mexican cartel guy, he been losing a hundred K a week. He finally, he up two hundred twenty K. Owen paid up quickly, which the cartel boss appreciated. Okay, I feel like cartel bosses love it when you pay them their money on time.

• 43:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, that sounds right.

• 43:35Laci Mosley?

  I think that's a staple of the cartel.

• 43:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think so.

• 43:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. They don't like net nineties, net forty-fives, net thirties. No, you need to pay.

• 43:42Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:43Laci Mosley?

  So, the boss sent Owen an encrypted phone, basically a phantom BlackBerry with untraceable communication. The boss asked Owen to pick up a package of one million dollars in Brownsville, Texas. I ain't know they got a million going through Brownsville, Texas. Let me get back to Texas.

• 44:01Speaker 06

  Yeah. What can you do?

• 44:04Laci Mosley?

  I could, right. I could go to USPS. Like, I could definitely do that. So he asked him to pick up his package of a million dollars in exchange for a hundred thousand dollar fee. So he gets a little cut of the million if he picks it up. Owen flew to Texas with Tank, naturally, to pick up a duffel bag full of money from a gardener. And that's how Owen started working for the cartel. Owen, look at that. Look at Tank and him, like, and they-

• 44:28Speaker 06

  Is that the duffel bag on their shoulder?

• 44:30Laci Mosley?

  Right. They look so whimsical. They look so tan. Like, Tank looks so tan.

• 44:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, look at them. They're thriving currently.

• 44:38Laci Mosley?

  Tank's starting to look like the singer Tank there, the black one. Like, how tan did you get?

• 44:42Speaker 06

  Who's the singer Tank?

• 44:43Laci Mosley?

  You don't, you heard of Tank?

• 44:44Speaker 06

  You know I don't know music.

• 44:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's true. People will know. We'll put a picture of Tank in there for the references. For Kimia, those like Kimia-

• 44:51Speaker 06

  Oh, good. I'll look it up.

• 44:55Laci Mosley?

  So, putting the cartel before the hor- that's Tank.

• 44:58Speaker 06

  Oh, that does look like Tank.

• 45:00Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 45:00Speaker 06

  Well, look at that.

• 45:02Laci Mosley?

  Tank and Tank?

• 45:03Speaker 06

  Maybe because they're both just not smiling or something.

• 45:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And like, Tank's way better looking. I'm not gonna do like that Tank.

• 45:08Speaker 06

  No, definitely not.

• 45:09Laci Mosley?

  But he is also, Tank, our, our enforcer Tank is wearing the man makeup on top, so that's what's giving it.

• 45:16Laci Mosley?

  So, Owen trafficked cocaine, meth, ecstasy, and heroin in the US, Mexico, Canada, and Australia, while still running his illegal offshore betting business. Okay, you are a busy man, Owen. Owen, you are. Aren't you tired?

• 45:35Speaker 06

  I was just thinking that. This guy's just been running and running.

• 45:38Laci Mosley?

  Like, if Owen's got a girlfriend or a boyfriend, or, you know, just a partner in general, he comes home from crime every day like, babe, just, just put the dinner on and let me watch some sports. I need to decompress. Like, you've got too much crime going on.

• 45:50Speaker 06

  There's a lot going on.

• 45:51Laci Mosley?

  When do you sleep?

• 45:52Speaker 06

  I know.

• 45:53Laci Mosley?

  Australia was where he ran into a problem, though. The cartel boss, who he never named, asked if he knew anyone in Australia. Owen didn't. So he got himself an apartment in Sydney and moved down there. He said, let me go mingle. Let me go network.

• 46:08Speaker 06

  He's really doing whatever for this cartel guy. Hell, yeah.

• 46:11Laci Mosley?

  Well, I mean, when you get involved with a cartel guy-

• 46:13Speaker 06

  You kinda gotta.

• 46:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I feel like it was kind of one of those jobs for life.

• 46:17Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 46:18Laci Mosley?

  Like, termination is the termination of your life.

• 46:20Speaker 06

  Dang.

• 46:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 46:23Laci Mosley?

  Like you don't meet with HR, you meet with the Lord.

• 46:26Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 46:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 46:28Speaker 06

  Okay. That's fair.

• 46:31Laci Mosley?

  Because you're onboarding paperwork or off the boat boarding paperwork.

• 46:34Speaker 06

  Right.

• 46:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, mhm. So his apartment became the shipping destination for DHL packages full of cocaine. He had no problem selling it and Australian prices for cocaine are three times higher than in the US due to how hard it is to get it in the country. But his apartment was like filled with millions of dollars in cash and he couldn't figure out how to get it back to the cartel. So he was selling it over to the Aussies. Obviously like cocaine is like, um, you can drive to get cocaine in the States.

• 47:04Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 47:05Laci Mosley?

  But in Australia.

• 47:06Speaker 06

  I don't know any of this. I'm following you.

• 47:08Laci Mosley?

  You know, obviously Kimmy, remember when we drove to Tijuana?

• 47:11Speaker 06

  And we got ourselves some cocaine and we came back.

• 47:14Laci Mosley?

  And the butt roids and then, yeah, we came back.

• 47:15Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 47:16Laci Mosley?

  So now he's got all this cash though. How does he get it back?

• 47:19Speaker 06

  I don't know. He's gotta like buy something. He's gotta launder it. Am I close?

• 47:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you're close. So he couldn't get on a plane with a suitcase full of cash, right? And he couldn't open a bank account because they would need his passport. And then, once they have your passport, I know this for a fact from changing over money, once you get to a certain amount of money, you cannot change over anymore. You can go to any exchange center in the city, in the country, and they will run your passport and be like, oh, we've given you enough cash. Like, we're not giving you anymore.

• 47:49Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 47:50Laci Mosley?

  So he's in a, he's kind of in a like a little, like he's got a problem right now, right? Um, how is he gonna move this money back? So he tried hiding the money in gold bouillon in the soles of hollowed out UG boots, one of Australia's biggest exports, and shipping them to Mexico. But it wasn't going fast enough because how much gold can you get into UG boot? And UG boot is in a slightly light shoe.

• 48:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, you really can't do much. Why don't you pick a Doc Marten? Because they're not an Australia thing.

• 48:17Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, they're not. Because I'm like, yeah, you're right. Like Uggs are just too light.

• 48:22Speaker 06

  Right.

• 48:22Laci Mosley?

  If I pick up a UG and it's like, like I know something's in it.

• 48:25Speaker 06

  Something is wrong.

• 48:27Laci Mosley?

  It's supposed to be a cloud. That's like the whole part of UG.

• 48:30Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 48:30Laci Mosley?

  But sure. So he ended up contacting a professional gambler and a weird media personality, Robin Hood 702. Nobody has a real name here. That's how we know y'all do crime.

• 48:41Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 48:41Laci Mosley?

  So this is Robin Hood Vegas. It's Robin Hood 702 and, um...

• 48:46Speaker 06

  Gambler, activist, philanthropist.

• 48:49Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 48:51Speaker 06

  Robin Hood. Okay, so what? He's taking money, he's doing scams and giving to the people who need money? I kinda like this guy.

• 48:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and his bio says, "I try every day to change the world for the better."

• 49:00Speaker 06

  Good for him.

• 49:01Laci Mosley?

  With crime.

• 49:02Speaker 06

  947 followers. He's not really getting it out there.

• 49:05Laci Mosley?

  He doesn't need too many. He doesn't need to be out there too much, because then they're gonna catch him.

• 49:09Speaker 06

  Sure, yeah.

• 49:10Laci Mosley?

  I love that, like, he's the 702nd Robin Hood, like, or is that like his area code?

• 49:15Speaker 06

  Maybe. Oh, is that the Vegas area code? I wouldn't know. Maybe that's what's up.

• 49:20Laci Mosley?

  You are from...

• 49:21Speaker 06

  No, I'm not. My parents just moved there.

• 49:23Laci Mosley?

  Okay, you're right.

• 49:24Speaker 06

  We have no allegiance. I guess now they live there, but that's it. It is Vegas. Oh, there it is? You know that, Lacey Dang.

• 49:29Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I love a crap table. So, he ended... I just remember from all the ads in Vegas, like, they'll be like, "Call me now, hot girls," and they like drive by in these huge trucks, and it's always that area code.

• 49:38Speaker 06

  Dang.

• 49:39Laci Mosley?

  I don't call them, but...

• 49:40Speaker 06

  You got a good memory. I remember, yeah.

• 49:42Laci Mosley?

  So, he ended up calling this guy, right? And this guy claims Robin Hood 702 to steal from the rich and give to the poor by winning money from casinos and giving away to people in need. He had a website where people could submit their personal stories for why he should help them. Robin Hood wore a mask and tried to hide his identity, but his real name was RJ Cipriani. Also, love that name.

• 50:04Speaker 06

  I like this guy.

• 50:05Laci Mosley?

  I like this guy. Also, what a great way to money launder. Like, just say you gave it away to all these stories.

• 50:10Speaker 06

  Oh, you think he's keeping it?

• 50:12Laci Mosley?

  He might be giving it to them, but then also like being like, I could, like, giving it to them twice or four times. Like, who's gonna know? I don't know. Let's see.

• 50:18Speaker 06

  He sounds noble to me.

• 50:20Laci Mosley?

  He does. No, I still think that's noble, as long as the people get the coins.

• 50:23Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 50:24Laci Mosley?

  So Owen thought he could use this high stakes gambler to, yes, launder money out of Australia. Over two days, Owen staked RJ with $4 million at a blackjack table at the Sydney Star Casino. On the first night, Cipriani won $300,000 on a bankroll of $1.5 million. With $1.8 million, Cipriani received a casino check from the Star that he brought back to the US to cash at a sister property. So the second time he got, you know... Like with 1.8 million, he turned that into a check that he could bring back to the states.

• 50:55Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 50:55Laci Mosley?

  And then cash at another chain that was in America.

• 50:58Speaker 06

  I see.

• 50:58Laci Mosley?

  So this is how the laundering is working.

• 51:00Speaker 06

  Laundering never makes sense to me. So I'm so confused on this part, but that's okay.

• 51:04Laci Mosley?

  It's like you have to turn your money into some, because it's crime money, so you're gonna lose a little money on laundering.

• 51:09Speaker 06

  And that's fine.

• 51:10Laci Mosley?

  And that's fine. But it's like you have to show the government where you got the money from.

• 51:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 51:14Laci Mosley?

  Because if you just start getting a lot of money, Uncle Sam gonna start getting nosy. And he'll be like, "Where you getting all that money from, young blood?"

• 51:19Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:19Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and then, so you have to be like, "It's for my laundromat. It's all these coins. That's why I'm making millions."

• 51:24Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 51:25Laci Mosley?

  There was a bunch of restaurants, people were talking about, um, these restaurants in New York City that would pop up and like, be there, like they were storefronts, that would pop up overnight and be there for like maybe a few months and then they would shut down. And everybody was like, "Those weren't actual restaurants. They were fronts."

• 51:41Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:42Laci Mosley?

  And then there's a notorious front in, um, New York City. I can't remember what it is, but I don't want to. Um, but the food that they were making got so popular that they had to like just keep the business.

• 51:53Speaker 06

  Oh, that's kind of fun.

• 51:55Laci Mosley?

  They're like, "We're here to launder money." And everybody's like, "Delicious. Give me another one of them."

• 51:58Speaker 06

  Dang. I love that.

• 52:00Laci Mosley?

  I love it. So, on the next evening, Owen gave Cipriani 2.5 million dollars to do it again, run it back. This time though, RJ lost it all.

• 52:12Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 52:12Laci Mosley?

  He says it was on purpose because he was working with the feds, but Owen says he's just a bad gambler. I'm gonna agree with Owen on this one because if I give you 1.5 and you roll back with 300K, what was you doing with the money?

• 52:25Speaker 06

  That's true. I was already disappointed in RJ because he was such a good guy and then he got involved with O-Dog.

• 52:31Laci Mosley?

  I mean, is this bad though? I mean, what if RJ is giving some O-Dog money to the families?

• 52:37Speaker 06

  I don't know that he is.

• 52:39Laci Mosley?

  We'll never know. We'll never know.

• 52:41Speaker 06

  Fine, I'll keep up hope.

• 52:43Laci Mosley?

  In any case, Owen made it out of Australia that time, but a years-long federal case against him ended when he was arrested by undercover agents on a golf course in 2015.

• 52:53Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:54Laci Mosley?

  So that's the thing about like the feds, is they will, they're just like Target.

• 52:59Speaker 06

  Yeah?

• 52:59Laci Mosley?

  Like Target and the feds are the same.

• 53:01Speaker 06

  A certain number.

• 53:02Laci Mosley?

  Like they're gonna research you. Not this, this is a meme.

• 53:06Speaker 06

  What is this photo? What's happening?

• 53:08Laci Mosley?

  He's like, "I see you." That was the feds looking at him like, "I see you."

• 53:12Speaker 06

  Dang, where, he's under a pier?

• 53:15Laci Mosley?

  Is he under a beard?

• 53:15Speaker 06

  That's kinda what it looks like from the background.

• 53:17Laci Mosley?

  It does.

• 53:17Speaker 06

  I don't know.

• 53:18Laci Mosley?

  I've only seen Under the Piers when in like Jersey or Bob's Burgers.

• 53:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, Bob's Burgers. I love that episode.

• 53:26Laci Mosley?

  They're gonna murder them.

• 53:29Laci Mosley?

  It's so good. I love Bob's Burgers. Y'all know that. Well, I will say, I feel like this was a pretty good scam. But I am upset that Owen wasn't being more careful because like I said, Target's just like the feds. Like the feds will build the case over on you for many, many, many years. So you're thinking you're getting away with it, but they're just stacking up enough evidence so that they know when they throw that book at you.

• 53:51Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 53:51Laci Mosley?

  It's gonna hit. Okay, it's gonna be, read it rainbow, you going to jail. Like, Target do the same shit. Like, y'all, if you stealing from Target.

• 54:01Speaker 06

  Careful.

• 54:02Laci Mosley?

  Don't do that.

• 54:03Speaker 06

  Don't do that.

• 54:04Laci Mosley?

  But if you do, don't hit the same spot one, once or twice. Cause I think it's $2,500 or something.

• 54:09Speaker 06

  Thought it was a thousand.

• 54:11Laci Mosley?

  What is, what's the number you gotta hit before they'll, they'll march your ass out of there? And you know what's fucked up too that they like to do with like the loss prevention? Is they'll, they'll get your ass on a Friday. Like they try to wait till you coming on a Friday. So if you go to jail on a Friday.

• 54:24Speaker 06

  Oh, you're over, you're overnighted. You're, you're over weekended. Dang.

• 54:29Laci Mosley?

  You gotta avoid those Friday bookings. How do you feel about the scam? How do you feel about Owen?

• 54:33Speaker 06

  I, I don't know. I went in with hate and I'm just sort of bummed because it is sort of like.

• 54:38Laci Mosley?

  Did it raise up from hate to like more love?

• 54:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, I guess I got more empathy, but that was always gonna happen. We go through their whole story. I mean, I don't think that divorce is real trauma, but I do think that it's like a guy who was just beefy and good at sports and then left with no other resources.

• 54:53Laci Mosley?

  He needed an excuse to do crime. He was like, but you know what though? I will say he did have trauma though because he had to live, he was roommates with a stranger.

• 55:02Speaker 06

  That's true.

• 55:02Laci Mosley?

  In a bunk bed.

• 55:03Speaker 06

  He had to get creative.

• 55:05Laci Mosley?

  Sleeping with a Wilson volleyball.

• 55:06Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 55:07Laci Mosley?

  That's giving trauma.

• 55:08Speaker 06

  That's true.

• 55:09Laci Mosley?

  That's not just like, oh, we have to live in separate houses and like we tried to parent trap them. No, this is like, he's like cuddling up to a Wilson ball at night.

• 55:17Speaker 06

  It's such a bummer because if the market hadn't crashed, he could have just done real estate for into infinity, huh?

• 55:23Laci Mosley?

  He tried it to the right.

• 55:24Speaker 06

  He would always done this, huh?

• 55:26Laci Mosley?

  Oh, so we got it up here, the felony thresholds. They're different for different states. So in Wisconsin, it's 2,500. Damn, okay, Wisconsin. Y'all got it popping out there. Florida is 750, which shocks me.

• 55:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 55:38Laci Mosley?

  Um, and Cali, what is it, 950? Okay, that's not bad, Cali. We giving good wages, we giving good wages. Florida don't want to pay nobody, that's why they 750.

• 55:51Laci Mosley?

  But Wisconsin, what y'all talking about?

• 55:54Speaker 06

  It did Texas and Wisconsin, so let's see get. Go back home.

• 55:57Laci Mosley?

  Everything's bigger in Texas. See what I can do. Target sponsored the show.

• 56:04Speaker 06

  After this. Wait, we're not supposed to shop there, right?

• 56:07Laci Mosley?

  Oh, right, we're not supposed to shop there, guys.

• 56:09Speaker 06

  No, just steal from there.

• 56:10Laci Mosley?

  But just sponsor the show, though. You know, I'm not gonna buy stuff from there. You give me money.

• 56:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's right. Reparations to you from Target.

• 56:18Laci Mosley?

  That's what they do every holiday.

• 56:21Speaker 06

  Oh dang.

• 56:22Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, I don't know if we're gonna get it anymore, though. They're like, alright, you D I's, we're done with you too then. We're not doing Black People February anymore.

• 56:28Speaker 06

  Dang.

• 56:30Laci Mosley?

  So, now he pleaded guilty, Owen, to racketeering conspiracy and conspiracy to distribute drugs and was sentenced to 21 years in prison plus a lifetime supervised release. So even when he got out of jail, they say, you keep doing so much crime, then we will surveil you forever.

• 56:49Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 56:50Laci Mosley?

  Cause he did do what? He had the, the booking.

• 56:53Speaker 06

  The cartel guy.

• 56:54Laci Mosley?

  The cartel, the money smuggling.

• 56:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 56:58Laci Mosley?

  The money laundering.

• 56:59Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:00Laci Mosley?

  The USC fake doctor.

• 57:02Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 57:03Laci Mosley?

  Booty roid smuggler.

• 57:05Speaker 06

  That was private. That was just kinda just for him, you know? I don't think that's on the record.

• 57:10Laci Mosley?

  That was for funsies.

• 57:11Speaker 06

  That was just for him to try to, yeah.

• 57:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah, and then his cartel, you said his cartel involved. So he is a serial criminal. Like, they needed to keep him up in the jail. So, he was also ordered to pay back $5 million, which included $100,000 in gold and silver coins, a Porsche Panorama, two Range Rovers, luxury watches, homes in Costa Rica, Peru, Cabo San Lucas, and a sailboat. He was living good.

• 57:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, he was. Was.

• 57:36Laci Mosley?

  He was released from federal prison in twenty twenty four. Serving less than seven years of his twenty one year sentence. Who he snitch on? Sometimes if you get out of jail too early, the cartel be like, what you, who you talking to? Cause you need to be in the jail.

• 57:50Speaker 06

  He might get caught soon.

• 57:52Laci Mosley?

  So the motion for his sentence reduction was filed under a seal. All we know is that there were extraordinary and compelling reasons. He done gave up where the money's at. Oh, he done gave something up.

• 58:05Speaker 06

  Don't them.

• 58:06Laci Mosley?

  He better watch out for that car, that cartel man.

• 58:08Speaker 06

  Yeah. Oh geez.

• 58:11Laci Mosley?

  So Owen is now forty three and on parole. He earns five hundred dollars every two weeks selling the iced protein bars he first learned to make in prison mop buckets. Now you got out of prison and started making a jail talk food.

• 58:26Speaker 06

  Come on. I love.

• 58:28Laci Mosley?

  I love jail talk.

• 58:29Speaker 06

  Food.

• 58:30Laci Mosley?

  They're so creative.

• 58:31Speaker 06

  But yeah, ice protein. What's in it?

• 58:34Laci Mosley?

  Isn't that just like a creamsicle?

• 58:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, but I wanna know what's in it.

• 58:38Laci Mosley?

  But calling it ice protein is really doing something for me. That's great branding. And look, he's got like a hot lady with it, like.

• 58:46Laci Mosley?

  If you wanna stay skinny, but have ice cream at the beach, ice protein.

• 58:50Speaker 06

  Protein stuff always tastes bad, though.

• 58:52Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but if you starve yourself from sugar for long enough, it spins the block and tastes kinda good.

• 58:57Speaker 06

  I don't think so. I don't think so. Five hundred dollars every two weeks? That's not awesome.

• 59:03Laci Mosley?

  No, he's struggling now. But you know what? He, he had the life. He's had that life. So he, he at least got to enjoy it for many, many years. You know what I mean? Like into his like thirties. So he, he had enough rich.

• 59:16Speaker 06

  That's fine, yeah.

• 59:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. It's kinda like the reverse, like rags to riches.

• 59:20Speaker 06

  He's richest to rags?

• 59:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 59:22Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 59:22Laci Mosley?

  We're richest to rags. We kinda went rags to richest to rags.

• 59:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 59:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I think that one kinda hurts more.

• 59:30Speaker 06

  It does.

• 59:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it does.

• 59:33Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 59:34Laci Mosley?

  Cause if he was always rags, you never knew about the riches.

• 59:36Speaker 06

  No, totally.

• 59:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:39Speaker 06

  Oh, well.

• 59:39Laci Mosley?

  So California ice protein frozen bar on a stick include flavors such as strawberry swole cake and coliseum cookies and cream.

• 59:49Speaker 06

  Oh, USC pride.

• 59:52Laci Mosley?

  Pride.

• 59:53Speaker 06

  USC pride.

• 59:54Laci Mosley?

  So much USC pride. Look, he got his little Paleta truck out there. I'm not mad at it.

• 59:58Speaker 06

  Oh, my god.

• 59:59Laci Mosley?

  He's very much influenced Mexican culture. Like, that is the Paleta man.

• 1:00:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:00:03Laci Mosley?

  The protein Paleta man. I love it. Well, Owen.

• 1:00:07Speaker 06

  Is he in California? Can we go see this guy?

• 1:00:09Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:00:09Speaker 06

  See that walking down Venice Beach?

• 1:00:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, look, that does look like he's in Venice.

• 1:00:12Speaker 06

  He is, okay.

• 1:00:13Laci Mosley?

  I might have to go see him and meet up and chat.

• 1:00:15Speaker 06

  What are you gonna do? What are you gonna say to this guy?

• 1:00:19Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. I'll just be doing anything.

• 1:00:21Speaker 06

  I know that. Be careful.

• 1:00:25Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my goodness. Well, Owen, you gave me a great time. You are a very busy man. You work very hard in crime. I wish we could get you a job, like, in crime where you could just... It's... Well, not in crime, but like, legal, but...

• 1:00:36Speaker 06

  What?

• 1:00:37Laci Mosley?

  I don't know, but like, high-paying and like...

• 1:00:39Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:00:40Laci Mosley?

  Where he works really hard.

• 1:00:41Speaker 06

  He's probably really happy with these protein ices.

• 1:00:43Laci Mosley?

  He does look very fucking happy.

• 1:00:44Speaker 06

  He does.

• 1:00:45Laci Mosley?

  He looks like the kind of guy who would talk your head off. Like, he talks to strangers. He gives everyone directions.

• 1:00:50Speaker 06

  You know what? What if we see him on Shark Tank, like, next season?

• 1:00:52Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:00:53Speaker 06

  With these protein ices? He's on his way. He's got a documentary. He's gonna be there.

• 1:00:57Laci Mosley?

  And he's got a great story, too.

• 1:00:59Speaker 06

  He does. I can't wait. He's gonna be like, "I made these in prison and now I make them on Venice Beach."

• 1:01:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you're right. You just manifested something for him.

• 1:01:07Speaker 06

  I did. Look at that.

• 1:01:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah. You go, you go, oh, dog. You go, oh, dog. Oh, dog.

• 1:01:15Laci Mosley?

  Okay, the last one sounds like you, like, fell and heard something. You're like, "Ow."

• 1:01:19Speaker 06

  Sorry.

• 1:01:21Laci Mosley?

  And I loved it. Like, "Oh, my back." Camila, we always ask at the end of the show, where would you like to be found?

• 1:01:28Speaker 06

  Oh, uh, you can find me on Instagram at ChildClown.

• 1:01:31Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I love that.

• 1:01:32Speaker 06

  That's kinda it, yeah.

• 1:01:34Laci Mosley?

  The best kinda it. Yeah, you're the best it. I would get in the sewer for you.

• 1:01:37Speaker 06

  Hey, hell, yeah.

• 1:01:38Laci Mosley?

  I feel like it'd be really fun down there.

• 1:01:40Speaker 06

  In my sewer?

• 1:01:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, in your sewer.

• 1:01:43Speaker 06

  It's gross, but it's fun.

• 1:01:44Laci Mosley?

  But it's fun. Um, as always, y'all, you can see all of these. You really gotta see these photos on the Instagram. Uh, Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram. And if you want to follow me, D I B A L A C I, Diva Lacy on all platforms. And congregation, y'all better pull up to these damn tour dates. Y'all demanded these cities and I better see asses in seats. The Scam Goddess Live Tour starts in the spring and that pre-sale code is goddess. So get into it. Y'all can get my book anywhere books are sold. Watch Going Dutch right now on Hulu. The first two seasons, get into it. It's very fun. The second season is my favorite. We're, we're having a fucking great time.

• 1:02:20Speaker 06

  Can't wait to watch.

• 1:02:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's, it's so fun. Um, and then watch Scam Goddess on Hulu. I don't know, keep running that up. Why not? And congregation, I want y'all to get out there.

• 1:02:31Laci Mosley?

  And stay.

• 1:02:34Laci Mosley?

  O-doggin'.

• 1:02:40Laci Mosley?

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