Fraud Friday: SiliCON Valley Theft Bro w/ Amanda Seales

In this week's Fraud Friday, Laci is joined by Amanda Seales (Insecure) to discuss Kyle Sandler, a man who posed as a rich Google executive, opening up a business incubator called the Round House in Opelika, Alabama, ultimately scamming investors out of $1.9 million. Plus, a fortune teller was arrested for fraud and scamming one victim out of $50,000. Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 11/15/2021) CONgregation, catch Laci's TV Show, Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Did you miss out on a custom signed Scam Goddess: Lessons from a Life of Cons, Grifts and Schemes book? Look no more, nab your copy here on PODSWAG Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Research by Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES: https://www.al.com/news/2021/05/kyle-sandler-explains-how-he-conned-opelika-out-of-19-million-on-hbos-generation-hustle.html https://www.al.com/news/2018/08/auburn_man_pleads_guilty_to_de.html https://www.al.com/news/2019/02/how-an-alabama-city-fell-for-a-massive-19-million-scam.html https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2021/04/kyle-sandler-john-mcafee-associate-who-scammed-alabama-town-out-of-19-million-featured-on-hbos-generation-hustle.html https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/news/crime/2019/03/26/lee-county-roundhouse-founder-kyle-sandler-sentenced-prison/3279308002/ https://www.foxla.com/news/fortune-teller-arrested-for-fraud-riverside-police-find-snake-voodoo-doll-satanic-items

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• 2:40Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 3:22Laci Mosley?

  What is poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, and we're back for another episode of Scam Goddess. And I am so what? Yes, excited. I love our call and response, just like Church Jesus. Amen. Guys, today we have a dynamic comedian, actress, writer, producer. Y'all know her. Y'all know her, and I'm so excited to have her here. If you haven't been to her variety game show, Smart Funny and Black, which I actually have been to, and it was poppin' as fuck. We were dancing, we were singing. It was everything. Which is like a creative, quality, multicultural comedy. She does it across all platforms. Amanda's everywhere. Oh, see, I already gave it away, goddamn. So she plays Tiffany Dubois on HBO's Insecure,

• 4:06Laci Mosley?

  and you can find her dropping gems on her podcast, which if you're not into it, get into it, but the girls are into it. Small doses with Amanda Seales. Congregation, please welcome Amanda Seales to the show. Hello, hello.

• 4:20Speaker 05

  I'm happy to be here.

• 4:21Laci Mosley?

  I'm so happy to have you for real. I've slowly been gathering up the Infinity Stones of insecure. Uh, like saying those and I'm getting there. I'm getting there. I love it. Um, but I mean, I have to ask you, first of all, Amanda looks cute as fuck. Y'all can't see that.

• 4:34Speaker 05

  Um. Thank you.

• 4:36Laci Mosley?

  But she looks cute as hell. She has the cutest office. We both have pink offices and I stand that and live for that for us. But Amanda, what is your relationship with scams? Like, have you ever been scammed? Do you like scams? Do you hate them? Are you very vigilant? Do you stay woke and you never get caught up? Like, what's your, what's your situation?

• 4:53Speaker 05

  Um, I dated a scammer. I did not know.

• 4:57Laci Mosley?

  Haven't we all?

• 4:58Speaker 05

  I mean.

• 4:59Laci Mosley?

  Was he a man perchance?

• 5:00Speaker 05

  Yes, he was a man. He was a, um. I would think he was a reformed, like, scammer in the sense that he wasn't doing act, like doing scams, but just like his mindset was always, like, how do I, like,

• 5:17Laci Mosley?

  Get over?

• 5:18Speaker 05

  Get over. Yeah.

• 5:20Laci Mosley?

  Ooh.

• 5:20Speaker 05

  Like, that was like his mindset. But I have been scammed. Um. I was scammed by an undisclosed person who used a Japanese, um, benef- a, a Japanese philanthropist as their cover. And they had booked me to come to Japan, booked in quotes.

• 5:41Laci Mosley?

  Japan?

• 5:42Speaker 05

  To come to Japan for like, so the, the way that I was scammed was that, it was supposedly a Japanese philanthropist whose, site, we had, you know, we had vetted the site, like we, and in hindsight, I don't know why we didn't just call. But you know, it's like this internet, but this internet really just gets you like, oh, well, we did all the, you know, internet stuff, so this should be fine. And so we, we like did the back channel, we did the, the back, background about this person and like vetted him and like, okay, so this is legit. And we got the contract and in the contract, it said that they were gonna send us a fee and then we would send back a portion and that portion would go to their nonprofit. And that's actually something that happens quite often. Like if you're working with a company that has a profit and for a nonprofit wing.

• 6:25Speaker 05

  So this, and this event was for their nonprofit. So I was like, um, all right, like it's, it checks out. Let's do it. So they send the check. So they send the check and I say to my business manager, can we send them back? Um. The deposit, like had the check clear? Can we send them back the deposit? And he said, yes, it posted.

• 6:53Laci Mosley?

  Now, did they ask for the deposit back?

• 6:56Speaker 05

  No, but there was a time limit. So there was, it was supposed to be like you have to send it back within a certain amount of days.

• 7:01Laci Mosley?

  So they did ask for it back?

• 7:03Speaker 05

  They didn't ask, but like according to my contract, like, I mean, I try and be.

• 7:07Laci Mosley?

  So they put it in the contract? That's actually very cute because can I guess, Amanda? Did this check bounce?

• 7:13Speaker 05

  So you're getting, you're letting me get ahead of myself because there's a couple.

• 7:17Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I'm sorry. It's just that this is a very common scam on this show, but go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

• 7:20Speaker 05

  And so what ended up happening was, and I, I think it's important for me to just say this because I know that this show, people be listening and you know, they don't want to get scammed. But my business manager said, yes, it posted. And there is a difference between a check clearing and a check posting. Because a check clearing means the funds associated with the check have been taken from the bank associated with the check and sent to your bank. A check posting means that the funds for that check have been put into your account by your bank. And some banks, depending on their relationship with your business manager or not, will just do that because you're a trusted client. So I didn't know that that was even happening. I didn't even know that the bank was even doing that.

• 8:05Speaker 05

  So when they said the money was there, I thought the money was there. Long story short, the check bounced, the bank calls me at 5:58 and is like, this, uh, looks like a fraudulent check. So you know, do you want to recall the wire? And I'm like, yeah, recall the wire. And they're like, well, you know, um, okay, well, actually it's too late to recall the wire because 4:45 was the cutoff. I'm like, why the fuck you called me at 5:00? Yeah, 4:45 was the cutoff. And they really were genuinely like talking to me like I was like actually the scammer. And they're like, do you know this person? How, how could you get involved with this person, et cetera? And I was like, first of all, pump your brakes, Sharon. Because I feel like you, you're cheating me like I'm a criminal

• 8:43Speaker 05

  and I need you to, to halt all of your, um, the, I, I felt like I was being accused.

• 8:51Laci Mosley?

  It was some judgment.

• 8:52Speaker 05

  There was judgment, absolute judgment. And so essentially what ended up happening was I was conned out of.

• 9:02Speaker 05

  A hundred and nineteen thousand dollars.

• 9:05Laci Mosley?

  Oh, oh, my chest, my neck and my back.

• 9:10Speaker 05

  So I went to my business manager and was just like, this was, this decision was made upon your, your suggestion. You know what I'm saying? Like, I had asked, should I send it back? Have we cleared everything? And for all intents and purposes, you have a business manager to avoid situations like this. And then they, um, they also said that they didn't know that the bank puts the money up. I don't know that that's true. They knew that. Um, but nonetheless, uh, I really like was depressed about it for like three days where I was just like, I couldn't sleep, like I was stressed. And then I literally woke up one morning and was like, fuck that, we gotta fight this shit. And I just had this, I just started thinking and I was like,

• 9:54Speaker 05

  you need to get muscle behind you. Cause if you were a rich white man, like you would already have your money back.

• 10:01Speaker 05

  So you need to get muscle behind you. And so I filed a report with the FBI and then my very good-

• 10:06Laci Mosley?

  Come on, FBI and I?

• 10:07Speaker 05

  My, my very good friend, her husband is an, a federal agent for the IRS. And so he got on it and was able to say, like, he was able to find out that like this person that does these scams, like they've been doing the scams. Like it was a whole, like it was a thing. And then I called my agent and I was like, you need to call, you need to be the white man on my team and call them and be like, I'm the white man on my team. Like, I need to use your white man power.

• 10:26Laci Mosley?

  Go be the white man.

• 10:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, like I need you to do that. And so like I had to really like pull my gusto out. And at the end of the day, what actually ends up happening was I spoke to, I was able to eventually speak to the partner, like the head guy at my business management firm and was like, yo, straight up and down, y'all keep telling me you're investigating and I need to chill. And you would never chill if you were in this situation. So for you to be expecting that of me is really unreasonable and impractical. And I am a good person. I don't scam, I don't shade, I don't do, I don't cheat people. And I, I expect that my ethics will win me out in this situation. And it's only gonna win me out if you all do right by me.

• 11:13Laci Mosley?

  I love that. Give him the Whoopi Goldberg, do right my beer, everything gonna fail.

• 11:17Speaker 05

  Listen, and, and, and I was proud of myself because I also never raised my voice and I had every right to raise my voice, but I think in this moment, like me being real like quiet like this was scarier than me raising my voice. And the next day he called me and said, we're sending you your money.

• 11:35Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I love that this ended on a good note. I didn't mean to spoil your, the, the ending to that, but it's just on this podcast, everybody knows when the check, when it comes with a reimbursement, I will say this is creative because normally it happens in smaller scales where it's like, oh, you're gonna work for our secret shopper company, we're gonna send you thirty two hundred dollars and once it posted, you just send back two hundred or you just send back four hundred or whatever. And, or you send back half of it. Or you're gonna be my personal assistant, I need you to mail these checks out. Like, there's a lot of different ways that people do this, but I will say the contract finesse is a new one. And, and, and it's, it's actually a really brilliant one.

• 12:12Speaker 05

  Very common with quote unquote celebrities. So, the person who caught it at the bank, she was like, oh, this just happened to two of our clients. And the other thing I wanted to say was, the really, let me tell you the real way they got us. Their website was the person's actual website, but it ended in dot org. And in America, that is for a nonprofit, but they were Japan based. It was supposed to end dot JP. So the actual website ends in dot JP.

• 12:45Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 12:46Speaker 05

  So they used of a legit website name and they just put it at dot org and we didn't know any wiser because we're dumb Americans.

• 12:53Laci Mosley?

  And I mean, that happens all the time, like people will clone emails, they'll clone like Facebook and you have to really look at the email. But what's also interesting to me about this scam is that your bank was like, hey girl. Some ain't looking funny and some looking funny in the light. Uh, would you like to rescind this? And wire transfers are like the hardest thing to get your money back with. Because once that wire goes, it's like such a great, that's why scammers love Western Union. That is their like Cracker Barrel, that's their bread and butter, like that's their Starbucks. They love a Western Union because a wire transfer is so hard to get back.

• 13:27Speaker 05

  And also in China, they don't have the same bank rules.

• 13:30Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:32Speaker 05

  They don't have the same bank rules. So like in America, if there's a fraudulent charge, it's on the person who made the, like if I, if I cut a check and the check bounces, it's on me.

• 13:40Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:41Speaker 05

  In China, if they cut a check and the check bounces, it's on me.

• 13:48Laci Mosley?

  And that's the thing too about American banking system, it's all capitalist. So they were like, hey girl, um, seems like you got robbed. What you want to do about that sis? Cause this is your problem now. And that's normally why banks will only really give you like Bank of America, I think gives like $300 when you post a large check. And they're like, we're gonna wait for it, girl. Cause you ain't never posted, you ain't never had money before, so. You got money now, what happened?

• 14:10Speaker 05

  You ain't never had money before.

• 14:12Laci Mosley?

  We saw your balance. I remember back in the day when I was waiting tables and struggling. Well, not struggling, I'm not gonna lie, but you know, waiting tables, putting my little money in the bank. One time Bank of America sent me like a bunch of overdraft fees. And I was like, uh-uh, I called them and I was like, how y'all gonna charge me like seven $35 overdraft fees in one hour? Like this is ridiculous, I'm leaving the bank. And they were like, okay, so we just looked at your account, where would you like us to send your $220?

• 14:38Laci Mosley?

  Okay, okay. Well, I'll stay.

• 14:40Speaker 05

  I see.

• 14:41Laci Mosley?

  But I'm mad. So no, I, I have definitely heard of that scam before. I did not know that they were running it on celebrities. So that is really good information to know. And I think helpful for a lot of people, um, if you are a celebrity and listen to this podcast.

• 14:56Speaker 05

  Shout out to you.

• 14:57Laci Mosley?

  We got some blue checks. But yes, I'm glad that it worked out for you, though. And that, and I also love that you did the thing that I do a lot now, which is like, if I'm angry, like I come at people real calm, just so calm that they're like, what is she gonna do?

• 15:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:11Laci Mosley?

  She should be a lot more upset.

• 15:13Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:14Laci Mosley?

  And I do that, and if you guys don't know what a business manager is, a business manager is someone who, if you get to a certain point in your career, or whatever financial situation you have, like you might hire someone to manage your money, and you know, maybe they pay bills for you. Maybe they run the gamut of what they can do for you, depending on what you want. But they take 5% of like, everything that you earn. So like, you know, you get a $2 residual check, they're like, okay sis, run us our...

• 15:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:36Laci Mosley?

  What would that be? They run us our 10 cents.

• 15:37Speaker 05

  Run us our 10 pesos.

• 15:39Laci Mosley?

  We want them. So, I've, I've talked about this before, but I've had conversations with business managers, and I always do this weird thing where I'm like, yeah, you know, but I've heard about people getting robbed, like Rihanna. Somebody robbed me, you know, I'd get litigious, but also like, I got cousins with a few strikes left.

• 15:56Laci Mosley?

  Huh? Like, you just stop laughing, like, I'll pop the trunk on you, I will find you. I need you to know that this is a serious matter.

• 16:02Speaker 05

  There's definitely business manager scams, like, I mean, I feel like that's, that's the other wing to touch on the Scam Goddess Podcast, because they be really out here scamming folks, for real, for real. Cause you just be like, oh, I mean, this is one thing, this is one less thing I have to think about. No.

• 16:19Laci Mosley?

  My mom always says, you're never rich enough to not sign your own checks.

• 16:23Speaker 05

  And here's the thing, you be like, okay, I'm Oprah, I'm signing my own checks, they're still finding a way. Just so you know.

• 16:28Laci Mosley?

  Always, always. But I want them to know that I'm crazy enough that don't try me, okay? Maybe you could steal a little $20 here and there, but you start climbing the ladder, we gonna fight. It's not just gonna be the lot, like, when we go to court, that's where I'm gonna find you, cause you gotta show up, and we gonna fight. We gonna have a fisticuffs, okay?

• 16:44Speaker 05

  Everybody can get beat up.

• 16:45Laci Mosley?

  Don't play about minds. But, I'm so sorry that that happened, but I'm glad that it had a happy ending, Amanda, and that you like, worked it out, and that the, the white man on your team showed up, and he did the right white man thing.

• 16:57Speaker 05

  Yes, he stepped in, he put his voice in. I mean, I think it was a confluence of, you know, elements that made it turn out right, but ultimately, I never thought it would happen to me. And it did. Anybody can get scammed.

• 17:10Laci Mosley?

  Damn, you can't. Listen, I got scammed into flying to Seattle to shoot a whole movie that wasn't real, but that's a story for another time. Yep, girl told us she had the DePlois Brothers producing it, somehow reached my agents at CAA, somehow reached agents of like, a lot of prominent actors. And next thing I know, I was on a tiny seaplane out of Bainbridge Island to my escape.

• 17:30Speaker 05

  You know what, you just reminded me that I got scammed once by a woman who claimed she was an animator. And she like came, she came to New York, we brought her up from DC, like she was supposed to do a music video for me. So she came to New York, like she took pictures, like whole situation. She goes back to DC, we're like, okay, send us the first edit. Y'all. That shit was like a couple little scribbles that was done on eye paint.

• 17:54Laci Mosley?

  She got on clip art and was like, here y'all go.

• 17:56Speaker 05

  Appeared. So she spent the whole day with me and my videographer. And she's just, like she had just conned me from Twitter.

• 18:07Laci Mosley?

  Pretending. She kept doing the little thing that you see in movies where she put her hands like this.

• 18:11Speaker 05

  Yes. And like, oh, let me get slap shots of that. Like, so like, we had a whole stalker, like fake person, just like hanging out with us. Oh, my Lord, I forgot about that.

• 18:20Laci Mosley?

  It's real. It's real.

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• 21:27Laci Mosley?

  And you gave me a great transition in the beginning. We were talking about a man that you dated who had a scam mentality. We're gonna move into what's hot and fraud. This is our segment where we warn our listeners about popping scams on the street. And more often than not, we get letters from you guys. As always, contact us at [email protected]. Snitch on your friends and family. Just make sure your scam is retired because we don't want to what? Fuck up your bag, okay? Or your cousin's bag, or your granny's bag. Amen. So, I need a fake name, Amanda. We don't care about gender on this show, uh, for this listener letter. Shayla. Oh, I like Shayla. I like Shayla. So Shayla says, a lot of nice things. Thank you Shayla. Move past that. So Shayla says, "I have a crazy ex-boyfriend that ran a long-term scam while we were together." Okay. "This man would go to great lengths to get money while avoiding any actual work."

• 22:09Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I'm not mad at him about that. Like, capitalism is a scam. Like, work smarter, not harder. Um, "He sold weed." Okay, that's an employment.

• 22:18Laci Mosley?

  That's a job. "And he had a job delivering a weekly county newspaper, literally one day of the work week." Okay, I think I like his life. I think I want to live it. That sounds good to me. "He would pick up the papers and was expected to roll them up with a rubber band and deliver them to his route. I discovered a few months into us dating that what he would do was dump all the papers in the trash after delivering to a few houses at the beginning of the street of his routes."

• 22:43Laci Mosley?

  Bro, you got one job. You can do your one job, though. Cause at a certain point, it's just like, am I fighting capitalism or am I just lazy? Yeah, that's true. Cause I'm like, all you gotta do is throw papers at people's houses. You don't even really gotta hit the doorstep. You just chunk them in the lawn. Like, that's all? That's all. And he's not paying no bills? Right. You couldn't drive, stop. Yeah, he's definitely must be a hobo sexual, uh, for sure. I have never heard that term and it is amazing. If you don't know what a hobo sexual is, that's where you are dating somebody who is automatically living with you. And normally in dating, especially in LA or cities where it's hard to date, like New York, if somebody's like all into you and like, "Yeah, let's move in. I'll put my toothbrush in here. You got a drawer for my underwears." You're like, "Oh my God, we in love."

• 23:28Laci Mosley?

  But really, they just need a home. They need an address. Oh my God. If you go on two dates and you show up to your crib and it's some mail from them, you got a hobo sexual. A hobo sexual, okay. So, after a while, he would just start dumping all the papers into the trash after he got them. So he would pick the papers up, throw them in the trash, and he would still get $300 a week for this. Okay.

• 23:56Laci Mosley?

  Is this, I mean, it's kind of innovative.

• 23:58Speaker 05

  It's just lazy. That is the paper. That is, that is just lazy. There's a certain point where like, it's just a reflection of your character. Like.

• 24:09Laci Mosley?

  That's true.

• 24:10Speaker 05

  At a certain point, you gotta really just be like, bruh.

• 24:13Laci Mosley?

  But some people don't live to work, they live to vibe, you know?

• 24:16Speaker 05

  He's vibing six other days of the week.

• 24:19Laci Mosley?

  This is a fact.

• 24:20Speaker 05

  And how long does it take to deliver those papers? I mean, you could get that done in like two hours. You still, you know, I come from a single parent household where my mother worked two jobs. So I can't really, I, I don't really vibe well with the whole idea of like, oh, I don't, like, I get that there's this movement now where people are like, I don't want to work. And I'm like, is it that you don't want to work or you just don't want to do something that you don't want to do? I think there's actual value in the act of like, working, like, I like the jobs that I have, like, because I made a life for myself based on that. But I have definitely worked jobs that I didn't like,

• 24:59Speaker 05

  and knew that I needed to like muddle through, you know, to get to the other side. But when I look at that situation, that just sounds like somebody who is lazy and, and doesn't have direction.

• 25:12Laci Mosley?

  But I mean, you had another side. You knew where you wanted to go. I feel like some people aren't motivated by work. Like, when we go to school, they'd be like, what's your dream job? And some people are like, I don't dream of labor.

• 25:22Speaker 05

  But I don't think, I think it's, it's labor when you're doing it for somebody else or you're doing it for something that you don't care about. So I'd be wondering like, okay, so if you weren't doing anything, what would you be doing? And if it means you'd be doing nothing, I'm just like, I don't know that I want to support you and you're doing nothing, though.

• 25:39Laci Mosley?

  My passion is nothing.

• 25:41Speaker 05

  Cause then people will be like, oh, well, in socialism, like, everybody doesn't have to work because we're all pooling our money. And I'm like, I hear that, but like, I don't really feel like I should have to like, support your couch surfing.

• 25:52Laci Mosley?

  I mean, but there's no such thing as a pure economic system. Like, there's bits of socialism and capitalism, there's bits of social, you know what I mean? There's bits of comedy, like, it's this, it's all kind of this meld. But I will say, I don't know, somebody being like, I just dream of nothing.

• 26:07Speaker 05

  You know what, I had a homegirl who, she was a lawyer. And I was like, what would you be doing if you weren't a lawyer? And she was like, chilling.

• 26:13Laci Mosley?

  Chilling.

• 26:14Speaker 05

  I was like, what do you mean? She was like, exactly what we're doing right now. We were on the beach. Chilling.

• 26:21Laci Mosley?

  The goddess counselor was like, what do you want to do with your life? And she was like, I love sand, pina coladas, sunshine, um, salt water.

• 26:31Speaker 05

  But even as she say that, here we are, what? It's gotta be, it's 2021, so it's gotta be like 12 years later. And she's like a partner at the firm. So you know, it's like, get the hell out of here.

• 26:42Laci Mosley?

  Right. That's not what she really wants. Yeah, I feel you. So Shayla says, I'm embarrassed to say this, but I dated him for three years. The dick wasn't even great. Well, damn Shayla, then why did you stay? I was honestly just too busy to break up with him.

• 26:57Speaker 05

  Because she was working.

• 26:59Laci Mosley?

  She was, she said she was.

• 27:00Speaker 05

  She was too busy getting all the work done to pay the bills. Three hundred dollars can't do much these days now. I don't know where they live, but in Los Angeles, $300 is literally about six meals at Tender Greens for two people, and that's with a pickup, not a delivery on Postmates.

• 27:17Laci Mosley?

  A parking ticket, or if you get towed and you let your car wait in the impound for one day, that's $300. Don't ask me how I know that. It's not a lot. It's not a lot.

• 27:26Speaker 05

  It doesn't stretch.

• 27:27Laci Mosley?

  And she said she was an apprentice tattooer at the time, worked every day at the shop for free, and then bartended five nights a week. So Shayla was tired. She was during the day, she was over here, you know, doing discount tattoos. And then at night, she was slanging them drinks.

• 27:40Speaker 05

  They were roommates.

• 27:41Laci Mosley?

  Like, yeah, like she was in cocktail. She said he kept the house really clean and wasn't awful to me, so I let it go longer than I should have. I love that, like, when you're a cisgender person.

• 27:51Speaker 05

  The bar is so low.

• 27:52Laci Mosley?

  Dating a cisgender, like a cisgender woman and a cisgender man, like, the bar be on the floor, on the floor.

• 27:58Speaker 05

  She said he kept the house clean and didn't treat me terrible. Which by the way, doesn't give us any indicator of what he was treating her like, because I feel like terrible is subjective.

• 28:11Laci Mosley?

  Right. Also terrible is, I feel like if she'd been like, he treated me good or fine, then I'd be like, I get it, but like terrible is.

• 28:18Speaker 05

  He didn't treat me terrible. Like, he treated me bad, but not terrible. You know what I mean?

• 28:24Laci Mosley?

  Imagine giving her wedding vows and you're like, Sean. You always run the dishwasher.

• 28:30Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:31Laci Mosley?

  And every day I wake up, the same amount of money that was in my wallet the night before is in there.

• 28:38Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 28:40Laci Mosley?

  I love like, like this is, what is this?

• 28:42Speaker 05

  It sounds like Jagged Edge, like, "We ain't getting no younger, we might as well do it."

• 28:47Laci Mosley?

  And everybody did that at their wedding. Everyone played that song at their wedding at that time.

• 28:50Speaker 05

  It's, it's, it's very, it's giving me very, you know what, what else is there to do right now? Until I find something else to do.

• 28:59Laci Mosley?

  Right. I had a cousin who got married, and I'm not gonna say his name, because I got a lot of cousins, but they played that song at their wedding, and also during the actual nuptials, he had a Bluetooth in his ear, which I think at the time, like, he thought was fancy. So he had a Bluetooth, a Bluetooth speaker, like, one of those phone call things that would automatically pick up in his ear. And the whole time I was thinking, like, "Bro, are you gonna take a call during the wedding? Like, why do you, why do you have that in your ear?" He was trying to show the girls he had Radio Shack coins.

• 29:26Speaker 05

  That he had a Bluetooth in his, like, why would you do that? I, when I met Too Short, he had, the first time I met Too Short, he had a Bluetooth in each ear. So he had Bluetooth.

• 29:36Laci Mosley?

  In each ear? That's headphones.

• 29:39Speaker 05

  Touche.

• 29:40Laci Mosley?

  You're supposed to have one. He said, "I gave multiple calls from different people on both ears."

• 29:45Speaker 05

  This one attached this phone, this one attached this phone. I got different things. I'm like, you know, I got, this is, this is the bat phone in my right ear, but this is the hu, the house phone in my left ear.

• 29:53Laci Mosley?

  Right. On one ear, he's like, "What's your favorite word?" On the other ear, it's like, "Bitch." And there's, there're two different phone calls, and love that for him. Love that for him. So, she says, "We stayed together briefly after we broke up. What can I say? He still had the key to my house that we previously shared, but I asked for it back. He gave me a copy of the key. It literally still had a tag on it. I changed the lock and stopped answering the texts after that." So, she was like, "I need my key back," and he was like, "Oh, here you go, queen." And then it had Home Depot 699 on it. So you still have another key.

• 30:24Speaker 05

  That is disturbing.

• 30:27Laci Mosley?

  So you still have another key. What is going on?

• 30:30Speaker 05

  But also, why was he still allowed in the house? Like, also. So, we all learn. We all learn. Trust me, I've done dumb things, too.

• 30:37Laci Mosley?

  Maybe he was in there like Mr. Clean. Bald, dressed in white, keeping the floors polished. That's what I hope.

• 30:43Speaker 05

  Doubtful. Doubtful. I mean, he definitely had enough newspapers to wipe down the mirrors, so.

• 30:47Laci Mosley?

  Absolutely, because he had tons of newspapers. So, in the years since we broke up, I occasionally hear things about him from my friends, who still buy weed from him. He committed insurance fraud.

• 30:55Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 30:56Laci Mosley?

  He had someone steal his car. And I'm not mad. Get your P P P loans. Listen, the only thing about P P P loans is y'all got to start for like, literally six weeks before the government was like, "Hey, girl, you don't own a farm. We actually looked it up, and you don't have no crops. You don't even own a lawnmower." Like, give it back. Run it back. So, basically, the insurance fraud thing was he would have someone steal, in quotes, his car and drive it into a river. It was totaled, and then he'd collect on the insurance check. A river? There wasn't a better?

• 31:32Speaker 05

  You know, I mean, listen, I guess, you know what? Let me, let me just say, maybe I'm wrong. He was working.

• 31:40Laci Mosley?

  That sounds like a job to me, coordinating getting your car theft.

• 31:43Speaker 05

  That sounds like full-time work.

• 31:45Laci Mosley?

  He had to get on Yelp or Google Maps and find like, a river that was deep enough to destroy the car? I don't know, seems like work to me. And at the end, Shaila says, "I'm not worried about telling you this," and fucking up his bag, because obviously, he's telling multiple casual acquaintances that he sells them drugs. Okay, cool, cool. Overall, the boyfriend, I don't know, he was living his passion.

• 32:08Speaker 05

  I really, I don't like theft. I don't like theft. There's certain thefts that I'm like, "Yeah, fuck the system." But then there's certain stuff that I'd just be like, "This gonna show up in our life." Do you understand? And that's what she saw. Like, the nigga tried to scam her about her crib. And I just feel like, there's no honor among thieves. Like, at a certain point, it'd just be like, "Damn, I gotta get you now, too." Like, I don't like theft. There's, listen, there's criminality that I really am like, "Whatever." But theft, I don't do.

• 32:41Laci Mosley?

  It depends on from who, for me. Because if you're thieving from somebody who's thieving, then, I mean, it's all fair.

• 32:48Speaker 05

  Absolutely. But if you have in your mind that taking something that's not yours is okay? I feel like there's only, there's this only, it's only gonna be about a matter of time before I'm a part of that equation.

• 33:04Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, cuz like, there's no honor among thieves, so everybody can get it.

• 33:08Speaker 05

  Everybody can get it.

• 33:10Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 33:10Speaker 05

  And if I, if, if, if I, if something about me ends up becoming a viable source, you know?

• 33:16Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, theft is rated E for everyone, so, you know, if you're stealing, you're stealing.

• 33:21Speaker 05

  I had money stolen out of my house by someone I was paying, okay? By someone with that, by an employee. And her little boyfriend, she was housing for me and they stole, they stole my earthquake stash.

• 33:34Laci Mosley?

  Damn, not the earthquake stash. Also, I love that, you know, most people have earthquake kits. You have like a earthquake stash of cash. You see, you hear, you feel the ground rumbling?

• 33:42Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm, because if the shit shut down, ain't nobody gonna be using no credit cards now.

• 33:47Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 33:47Speaker 05

  We gonna be back to curry shells and rocks.

• 33:50Laci Mosley?

  You gotta be liquid. I'm gonna have a handful of painkillers and some water, which I'm trying to barter with.

• 33:55Speaker 05

  I'm telling you.

• 33:57Laci Mosley?

  I got three tampons and an Aaliyah CD. What can I get for safety? What do y'all gonna give me?

• 34:03Speaker 05

  I'm keeping the Aaliyah CD.

• 34:05Laci Mosley?

  Right, cuz you can't get that, can't get it. Robbery!

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• 37:10Laci Mosley?

  And it's time for historic hoodwinkings. We will regale Amanda with a famous criminal group of criminal squad. Uh, you know, maybe we like them, maybe we hate them. We don't know yet. Today, we're talking about the city, I guess you could call it a city, I'm gonna call it a town. Opelika, Alabama.

• 37:25Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 37:26Laci Mosley?

  And we're specifically talking about Kyle Sandler, who basically became the most dashing man in this very small town. I've never been to Opelika. Have you been there?

• 37:35Speaker 05

  No.

• 37:36Laci Mosley?

  I know you tour sometimes. No? Okay. Opelika ain't got no venues. So.

• 37:41Speaker 05

  I'll check it out.

• 37:42Laci Mosley?

  Alright. It's like many cities that were struggling after the recession. Its downtown was largely vacant, jobs were scarce. The town was 30,000 people and perfect picking grounds for Kyle Sandler, a man who came in with a story about striking it rich and wanting to help the town. I'm always curious when a man is just like, I wanna help people voluntarily.

• 38:03Laci Mosley?

  That's my whole job. That's it. Okay, let's see. So, the story goes that Kyle Sandler told everyone that he was a one-time Google executive who got rich on the West Coast and just so happened to pick Opelika as his next home. I love that he went from being a Google executive to like, I'm moving to Opelika, Alabama. Cause you know.

• 38:21Speaker 05

  I also love that, I don't know if he is Asian, but he's giving Asian and I'll bet you that they were like, oh yeah. He was a Google exec. Like if a brother had come saying he was a Google exec, people would be like, running him out of the town with tiki torches. But they were like.

• 38:38Laci Mosley?

  It's works.

• 38:39Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense.

• 38:41Laci Mosley?

  Like he famously said, get that nigger out of here. No one would believe the black guy is a Google exec. But this man, we can see it. We're looking at a photo. We'll post it on the page later. So he drove a sporty Jaguar in a town full of pickups and had, in his own words, "a heart of gold." How you gonna call yourself having a heart of gold?

• 38:58Speaker 05

  It sounds very Lance Armstrong. Go ahead.

• 39:01Laci Mosley?

  Right. I feel like you can't say you, that somebody else has to say that about you. Pay a friend.

• 39:05Speaker 05

  It's like the goat. Like you can't just be like, I'm the goat. You know, unless you're, unless you're in like a non-subjective sport where it's like, I have won this many times, so there, no, no one has won more than me. I am the goat.

• 39:19Laci Mosley?

  LeBron can say he's the goat.

• 39:20Speaker 05

  Can he?

• 39:22Laci Mosley?

  I think so. He's won enough things. Did you see when Usher had a birthday and he was walking around with a bunch of goats saying that he was amongst company?

• 39:30Speaker 05

  I can't even.

• 39:33Laci Mosley?

  Gosh, we didn't meet literal goats. We met greatest of all time, but okay. Hang out with these goats. He's like, this, this is all I can hang out with is other goats.

• 39:40Speaker 05

  This is all I can hang out with.

• 39:42Laci Mosley?

  Goats. So he came to town smelling like a, right, man. That's my whole community. So he came to town smelling like a man who will create jobs, bring innovation. In October 2014, he opened a tech business incubator called Roundhouse, and he called himself a conductor. Anybody who got a, a job title that I can't really like, you can't go to college and be like, let me get them conductor classes. I'm going to grad school for conducting. What is that? That's not a real job.

• 40:07Speaker 05

  My homegirl just was, she was like, I, I, I still haven't gotten to the bottom of like, what this was that she's working with, but like, someone responded to her and said, uh, so we'll connect you with our chief of streets. And that person will then let you know. And she was like, this is the greatest job title I've ever seen. The chief of streets? I don't know.

• 40:26Laci Mosley?

  Hefe of the kaya. Okay.

• 40:28Speaker 05

  How, how do you, what, how, what, what is the criteria needed for that job? I want to know what the curriculum vitae should include.

• 40:39Laci Mosley?

  Chief of streets, his office is on 3rd street, um, just depending on where he moves his car.

• 40:43Speaker 05

  No, a, a chief of streets, your office is on Martin Luther King Drive, Martin Luther King Avenue. Like, I feel Martin Luther King Boulevard, like.

• 40:52Laci Mosley?

  Intersection Malcolm X. You are the chief of streets.

• 40:55Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 40:56Laci Mosley?

  So he opened this tech company, right? The business would help develop new startup companies by providing services such as venture capital, office spaces, one gigabyte internet, and management training. This is all so vague. Management of what? Management of who?

• 41:11Speaker 05

  Right.

• 41:11Laci Mosley?

  Is one gigabytes a lot of internet? Is that like a Starbucks? Can we share that? Is it fast? Can I download things? Can I upload things?

• 41:19Speaker 05

  I think that's a pretty good amount.

• 41:22Laci Mosley?

  I mean, maybe for Opa-Lica, you know, it's only 30,000 people. As long as they don't come at the same time.

• 41:29Speaker 05

  Opa-Lica.

• 41:31Laci Mosley?

  So he also found an ally in local John McAfee. Now, if you know anything about John McAfee, that's another episode for another time. That man is wild as hell. So knowing that he was cool with him, like, that man is, let's just say, John McAfee had a lot of guns, would be in the jungle, ran for president, would be on a boat, hound.

• 41:48Speaker 05

  He looked like a Tiger King.

• 41:50Laci Mosley?

  Crack. Oh, he's a Tiger King, for sure. And I love that it's just like, oh, he had a friendship with him. This is a friendship with Tiger King. Like, if you strike it up, that's like Kim Jong-un in, um... Who's that basketball player?

• 42:02Speaker 05

  Dennis Rodman.

• 42:03Laci Mosley?

  Dennis Rodman. It's like that kind of relationship is like y'all both on some different time.

• 42:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a vibration that I want to stay far away from.

• 42:11Laci Mosley?

  I want to stay super far from that vibration.

• 42:13Speaker 05

  I'm good.

• 42:14Laci Mosley?

  I'm good. So Chuck Whacker, one of Chuck Whacker, what kind of name is that?

• 42:18Speaker 05

  Hilarious.

• 42:19Laci Mosley?

  I'm not giving no money to Chuck.

• 42:20Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 42:22Laci Mosley?

  I'm not hanging out with Chuck.

• 42:23Speaker 05

  It don't get Whacker than Chuck Whacker like that. I can't.

• 42:27Laci Mosley?

  Amanda, you trying to go down to the club Chuck Whacker got a table?

• 42:32Laci Mosley?

  Not trying to meet Chuck.

• 42:33Speaker 05

  Ooh, I don't want it.

• 42:36Laci Mosley?

  So this is one of the locals who invested in Roundhouse and said Kyle was a master. I think he could get money out of a guy living under a bridge. He was that good a promoter and a pitchman. Chuck, I think you're gassing Kyle because you got scammed. So you need everybody to know you got scammed by like Elon Musk, not just some phony who came into town. And that's another thing about scams, there's a little bit of shame in it. Like if you get scammed, you're like, oh, was that stupid?

• 43:01Speaker 05

  Oh, my God, they got me. This is crazy. Exactly.

• 43:04Laci Mosley?

  Right. So you gotta be like, it was actually Albert Einstein. He had just left the patent office and then he got me. Like you gotta hype it up so you don't feel bad. So Sandler ultimately brought in around 1.9 million dollars from over 50 investors.

• 43:19Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 43:19Laci Mosley?

  So he got the bag. Kyle, then 43, who grew up in Maryland, eventually his career, so this is like about him. Eventually his career into promoting startup businesses online while he built a name as a serial entrepreneur. We've talked about the words serial entrepreneur. It means criminal.

• 43:36Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 43:38Laci Mosley?

  If you are a serial entrepreneur, you are going from crime to crime like Frogger and we know it.

• 43:43Speaker 05

  Got it. Okay.

• 43:45Laci Mosley?

  So he said he moved to Opa-locka because his wife wanted to move back home. Opa-locka offered high-speed fiber optic networks for internet and an incentive of free internet service worth about $50,000. Now, I don't know, like how you found that out? Okay. So he had an entrepreneurial career. He also offered mentorship to young entrepreneurs in town, which is how he met 13-year-old Taylor Rosenthal.

• 44:06Speaker 05

  Oh, what?

• 44:09Laci Mosley?

  He met a 13-year-old. He was given mentorship.

• 44:11Speaker 05

  I don't like it.

• 44:12Laci Mosley?

  Taylor was the creator of an idea for a vending machine that disperses injury-related gear marketed towards athletes on the field, like Band-Aids, bandages, and antiseptic. So they don't have like, so this is Tyler and this is him standing next to his, um...

• 44:28Speaker 05

  Invention.

• 44:30Laci Mosley?

  His pain vending machine. Tears, yeah. Now, here's my thing. This is why American healthcare system is so ass. I need a Band-Aid. Are you telling me I gotta put in six quarters? Fair. Fair. I'm bleeding and I gotta hit the. Yeah. I gotta hit one, six, seven. I gotta hit twelve, seven to get my, what? Oh, okay, Tyler. They don't got medics for this? Hell. So, the concept was expanded for general public use at theme parks and concert venues. Okay, that's actually not bad. If I went to a theme park or concert venue and they had Band-Aids for the girls, I don't know, uh, wh- what else do you need to cut, like an EpiPen? You could need an EpiPen. That's actually real.

• 45:16Laci Mosley?

  Or like, you know, it's mosquitoes and stuff, so you may need hydrocortone or something. Mm-hmm, some off. So, I don't know. Records show that RecMed LLC formed on December, December first, twenty fifteen, and Sandler registered it like was a registered ag- agent to this property. So, Taylor and his parents as co-owners had a seventy percent stake. So, then our scammer Kyle had like thirty. The company was based on the Roundhouse, even though they made a promotional video for the machine. Okay. I mean, the machine could actually be cute, but also don't they have medics at concerts? Yes. Yes, they do. So, okay. Soon after, an article in Inc. Magazine named Taylor, one of the twenty teen entrepreneurs, set for success in twenty fifteen.

• 45:56Laci Mosley?

  Stories were sent around. An undisclosed company was offering Taylor like thirty million dollars for his pain vending machine. In an interview with Fox Business, Kyle says that he rejected the offer, holding out for fifty million. So, he was like, I can get more for these Band-Aid machines.

• 46:13Laci Mosley?

  How much you bleeding? You bleeding fast?

• 46:18Laci Mosley?

  So, according to Taylor's family, Sandler, Kyle, showed them documentation indicating that pharmaceutical giant Johnson and Johnson was interested in the theme park giant Six Flags. So, basically, he showed up and was like, hey, Johnson and Johnson. They said, no tears.

• 46:34Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 46:34Laci Mosley?

  They said Six Flags said, "We would also like to partake." And he had a piece of paper showing them that, like you can't just type pieces of paper up. Cause you could just.

• 46:44Speaker 05

  And put a logo on the head, "Look at us teaching folks how to scam." Now, you just get, put the logo on the, on the top of it, make it a letterhead, and then you print it up, and there you go.

• 46:52Laci Mosley?

  Photoshop. So he sho- he showed up fresh out of Kinko's, paper hot as hell.

• 46:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:58Laci Mosley?

  Johnson, Johnson.

• 46:59Speaker 05

  They won't, they won't in.

• 47:01Laci Mosley?

  They want you. So more and more attention was being brought to Roundhouse, which is, uh, Kyle's business, and legitimate business people were working there. In 2016, McAfee started a bizarre presidential campaign. I told you, he's wild. He's a wild man. And he announced Roundhouse and Sandler as his campaign advisor. So now Kyle has gone from being an entrepreneur, uh, grind hard motivationalist, to a campaign advisor. Serial entrepreneur. He got lots of jobs.

• 47:31Speaker 05

  Right. You did, uh, red flag. Okay.

• 47:35Laci Mosley?

  You can see how that, you can see how that correlates, right? Like he went from basically being like Team No Sleep to.

• 47:42Speaker 05

  I'm out here.

• 47:43Laci Mosley?

  White House.

• 47:44Speaker 05

  It's, mm, okay. Listen, I'm keep, I'm still listening.

• 47:49Laci Mosley?

  So however, a Bitcoin mining company with ties to McAfee at the time, MGT Capital Investments, acquired a membership interest in the Roundhouse in like May 2016. So these are just more people getting interested in buying. That's how this stuff goes. You have a lot of money. Then you see somebody who's like, "Hey, you got a lot of money? I'll make you more." And then they just get involved. Company invested a hundred twenty-five thousand, provided another two hundred fifty thousand in stock bonuses. Despite the promises of huge paydays around the corner and national press attention, Roundhouse abruptly closed December 2016 after running out of money.

• 48:21Speaker 05

  It never had money.

• 48:23Laci Mosley?

  No, they didn't. They never had money.

• 48:25Speaker 05

  They never had money. Aye.

• 48:27Laci Mosley?

  You, you just show up to Roundhouse thinking you about to have a business meeting, it's just a chain on the door.

• 48:34Speaker 05

  I hate this for everybody. Oh my God. Okay.

• 48:39Laci Mosley?

  So days later, the Opelika Auburn News quoted Sandler saying the business had simply run out of coins. I'm sorry for what happened to Opelika and Roundhouse. I lost control and we ended where we're at. Where did money go? How did y'all run out of coins? This is all ideas.

• 48:55Laci Mosley?

  How do you run out of idea money? If everybody's investing in an idea, where did the idea money go?

• 49:02Speaker 05

  I'm really...

• 49:05Speaker 05

  And he went to Opelika probably because he was thinking like, you know, these people don't know, they don't know, like this is slow town, it's a small, yeah, it's a small town, not slow as in mentally, but like, you know, it's a big fish, small pond, like they're not gonna...

• 49:18Laci Mosley?

  Right. He's driving a Jaguar.

• 49:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, like it's impressive. It's like when New York dudes would go to HBCUs. I mean, it was like HBCUs down south, like it was like, you from the big city.

• 49:30Laci Mosley?

  Right. And that's what the, that's what the thought was here. So the truth was before Roundhouse's closure, several investors discovered who Sandler really was. This is Kyle. So Kyle never worked for Google. Duh. I'm sure an easy Google, like you could have just

• 49:44Speaker 05

  Right.

• 49:44Laci Mosley?

  used the search engine.

• 49:45Speaker 05

  Kyle worked for Foot Locker.

• 49:50Speaker 05

  Like, get out of here.

• 49:52Laci Mosley?

  Kyle used Google. He was like, I did a lot of work with Google because I would open the search engine and I'd be like, how to crime? So technically not lying. So they discovered he was a fraud, right? Um, and despite cruising around in his Jaguar, he was never wealthy. You can rent an expensive car. Have you been to Atlanta? That's all they do is drive around their mortgages. Sorry, Atlanta. Sorry to this city.

• 50:16Speaker 05

  Dang.

• 50:18Laci Mosley?

  In 2010, he was convicted in Maryland and North Carolina of attempted theft and forgery, but never went to prison. Cute. We love a conviction, but just like you opted out of jail. How did that work?

• 50:29Speaker 05

  I see it all the time. Did you ever see that, um, that doc, uh, docu-series on Netflix? How to, um, how to fix a drug?

• 50:39Speaker 05

  How to fix a drug scandal? That's a scam. Oh, you need to watch that. That's a scam.

• 50:45Laci Mosley?

  Okay, how to fix a drug scandal cuz I didn't know you could go to court and they'd be like, you're guilty. You'd be like, alright, cool. See y'all later. Thank you so much.

• 50:52Speaker 05

  Legit though. Like, yeah, that's okay. Well, we agree.

• 50:57Laci Mosley?

  Right, damn, a bummer. I am guilty. Alright, well, y'all be easy. And then you just leave? Like, I thought they were supposed to detain you after. No?

• 51:04Speaker 05

  No.

• 51:05Laci Mosley?

  I'm black, so I would know nothing about that. Like, they lock us up before we even go to court. So, all my reviews from his stint as a wedding DJ.

• 51:18Speaker 05

  Yo, this is wild.

• 51:21Laci Mosley?

  Detail that he was known to vanish his money. Somebody petty, and I love that for them. Cuz like, how you hire a wedding DJ and you show up and you're like, ready for the first dance, and there's just no music? Y'all whole wedding is no music? No music.

• 51:38Speaker 05

  He showed up with an iPod.

• 51:41Laci Mosley?

  I don't think he showed up at all.

• 51:42Speaker 05

  iPod and was like, turning the dial, like...

• 51:47Laci Mosley?

  I feel as though he didn't show up with anything at all. I feel like he took the money and then just didn't come to the wedding, which that's ass.

• 51:52Speaker 05

  Oh, wow. Cuz I feel like if you do that, it's like, people will find you out. And like, you, like, the wedding circuit, I feel like, is, is like, pretty tight.

• 52:02Laci Mosley?

  They talk.

• 52:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:03Laci Mosley?

  They talk. And the wedding planners, like, you know, it's not just Jennifer Lopez. They all talk. So... After Roundhouse's shutdown, Taylor Rosenthal's family learned that Sandler had also been lying about the thirty million dollar deal, which he was purely orchestrated to be parodied by a child's interviews to bolster Roundhouse's reputation. So, basically, he was like, oh, y'all got all these deals on the table, but he was just doing that so he could get the free clout from the child selling the medical vending machine.

• 52:29Speaker 05

  He's not a dumb man.

• 52:31Laci Mosley?

  Right. Cuz in an article on AL.com, this is a quote, "That was the most tragic of things he did. He sucked in this fourteen-year-old boy, used that kid viciously," said John McAvoy. Viciously? I don't know about viciously.

• 52:49Speaker 05

  You know.

• 52:49Laci Mosley?

  When you're fourteen, you can recover. Like, you can recover. So, I think, I think it's okay, but, you know. So, this is how he got arrested. He was arrested in June twenty eighteen. Uh, records show that weeks earlier, he and a young woman formed a startup media company in College Station, which that's where Texas A&M is located.

• 53:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, I spent a lot of time there. Actually, I dated, I dated a dude there who, um, he ended up getting kicked, well, he had gotten kicked off the team and then he was scamming. God damn.

• 53:19Laci Mosley?

  I mean, he got, look, he was gonna play football, then he was like, alright, crime, you know, you gotta have a backup. They say you gotta have a plan B. Your plan B can always be crime.

• 53:27Speaker 05

  You, you saying that jokingly, but that's a number of people's plan B.

• 53:32Laci Mosley?

  It was like NFL? Okay, crime.

• 53:35Speaker 05

  Life comes at him fast.

• 53:37Laci Mosley?

  Damn, cuz he was, he looking real down bad here. He was looking like a tech guy before, now he's looking like a criminal criminal. The hair is growing. He couldn't even go to great clips. What is this haircut? It feels like he started to get the haircut and then they realized his card declined and then they stopped. That's what it's giving. They started to cut the bang and then they were like, oh, your card actually didn't go through.

• 53:59Speaker 05

  And then they kicked him out. Oh, tragic. We hate to see it.

• 54:03Laci Mosley?

  Or also, maybe we love to see it. So, records show weeks earlier, you know, he tried to start this startup, um, and he was in College Station. And he's talking about he was gonna get like six hundred fifty million dollars for the girls, and the minimum investment was ten thousand dollars. It was also discovered that much like the one point nine million Sandler raised, which I'm like, okay, one point nine million, why you looking this raggedy? Where did that money go that fast?

• 54:23Speaker 05

  I was gonna say, you can do a lot with one point nine million, okay?

• 54:26Laci Mosley?

  A lot. You can definitely at least like go to great clips.

• 54:30Speaker 05

  Fair. Touche.

• 54:32Laci Mosley?

  Like, I'm confused.

• 54:33Speaker 05

  But greed is what really be taking folks out, cuz to me, if you had raised at one point nine, just chill out.

• 54:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I feel like after that, you just. Yes. Go somewhere where your money can belong and just give it up.

• 54:46Speaker 05

  And that has no extradition.

• 54:49Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes. See? Listen up, guys.

• 54:53Laci Mosley?

  So it was discovered that much of the 1.9 million dollars Sandler raised was actually diverted to expenses such as childcare, rent and cars. And he was able to get away with it because no one asked to see his books or even a cursory check into his background. They just believed him because he looked like he could work in tech.

• 55:09Speaker 05

  I hate that money.

• 55:10Laci Mosley?

  I'm not giving my money to you because you got a good costume. I'm gonna need to see some things. I'm gonna need a forensic accountant to help me out with that. Not just like, oh, you got cute fits and then I'm gonna give you my money and hope. No. So Sandler said, one of the things to look at was how easy it was for me. Anything I said was taken as gospel. And a lot of scammers are charismatic. So they were like, yeah, Sandler, you said Obama gonna be here tonight? Yeah, yeah, he was, but the jet, they had ran out of fuel. You know how much jet engine fuel costs. So they actually going to exile right now, but they gonna be here later. Like, what?

• 55:46Speaker 05

  It's just so wild. Like, he really just showed up and was like, yeah, this is what I am. And they were like, Fusha.

• 55:53Laci Mosley?

  We believe you. We hear you talking and we believe you. So he pleaded guilty to two federal charges of wire fraud, securities fraud in August and faces a maximum sentence of 20 years on each. 40 years in prison for stealing money from people who should have done their due diligence. I don't know.

• 56:07Speaker 05

  It feels excessive.

• 56:09Laci Mosley?

  It feels excessive. And like, prison is expensive on taxpayers. Like, I don't know, maybe we get Sandler into some investment classes. I don't know. He does some community service. He goes back to DJing. He DJs all those weddings that he missed.

• 56:23Speaker 05

  Nah, he's DJing. It's been years. So he DJing the bar mitzvahs of their kids.

• 56:28Laci Mosley?

  On the ones and twos for the community. I feel like that's fair. So earlier this year, he was indicted on fraud and money laundering. Um, and John McAfee, oh damn, everybody. So he alleged that he and others, including John McAfee, made more than 13 million dollars by fooling investors zealous over emerging cryptocurrency market, which crypto is its own game.

• 56:48Speaker 05

  It really is. I bought some Bitcoin. I don't know what it does. I don't know.

• 56:51Laci Mosley?

  When did you buy it? Did you get it in early?

• 56:53Speaker 05

  No, I don't, my knowledge on the conversation has ended.

• 57:00Laci Mosley?

  Fair.

• 57:01Speaker 05

  We have reached the end of my knowledge on the conversation.

• 57:05Laci Mosley?

  So, after his release, Sandler dreams of using internet slash opalaka based business to raise money and raise money and repay his victims when he's released from prison. And he said, "I hope they will have me back."

• 57:17Speaker 05

  They will.

• 57:18Laci Mosley?

  How?

• 57:19Speaker 05

  I bet you they would.

• 57:21Laci Mosley?

  You hope they will have you back? You robbed them. You came to the town and you robbed everybody.

• 57:26Speaker 05

  I bet you they would have him back.

• 57:29Speaker 05

  I swear.

• 57:30Laci Mosley?

  I love the delusion of like, "No, but they still love me. I was a cool guy." Yeah, I stole their lifesavers, but vibes.

• 57:37Speaker 05

  No, I just, I want better for people. I want people to want better for themselves.

• 57:42Laci Mosley?

  I do, but I also don't. I don't know. Sometimes you do a scam and you do something risky and it turns out good. You know, it's not all bad.

• 57:50Speaker 05

  By the way, I made $10 on my Bitcoin.

• 57:53Laci Mosley?

  Look at you, winning. Okay?

• 57:55Speaker 05

  See?

• 57:56Laci Mosley?

  See, something good came out of that.

• 57:57Speaker 05

  Oh, and you just went out. And now I'm getting a call from scam likely.

• 58:01Laci Mosley?

  Wow, that's actually me, girl. Sorry, I butt dialed you. It's actually me. So, scammer of the week. A fortune teller was arrested for fraud, including scamming one victim out of $50,000 in Riverside, California. Okay, I don't know if you could put fortune teller and fraud in the same sentence.

• 58:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, because I feel like it's already coming from the left.

• 58:22Laci Mosley?

  That's like saying corrupt police. Like, what are we doing? Like, yeah, duh.

• 58:27Speaker 05

  Because fortune teller.

• 58:30Speaker 05

  Maybe we're being American right now. In other cultures, like, maybe that's like some legit shit. But here, in these United States, I feel like a fortune teller has always been synonymous with someone who's like, just getting you. You know, they're preying on your insecurity.

• 58:45Laci Mosley?

  This is a fortune teller who probably looks like he identifies as male. He looks pretty handsome, and he got a fade. I've never, normally fortune tellers are women, they're older, they give you gravitas. Okay, so the fortune teller, 31-year-old Andreas Penamensis, or Minensis, excuse me, told victim, told a victim that she had parasites in her body and needed money to help her clear it out. Okay, so if you looked into daddy future and, and they said the girl has worms, why wouldn't she go to the doctor? How you gonna clear it out? How?

• 59:20Speaker 05

  This is, but you know, people don't be trusting the medicine. I don't blame them either, you know, like

• 59:25Laci Mosley?

  That's true.

• 59:26Speaker 05

  The same people that you're talking about probably would have used ivermectin versus a vaccine.

• 59:32Laci Mosley?

  Right, and not even got the ivermectin for people from the doctor. They going straight to

• 59:36Speaker 05

  The horse's mouth, literally.

• 59:39Laci Mosley?

  Taking it out of the horse's mouth. Poor horses. They're like, what did we do? We was just out here trying to be stallions and now we can't get our horse dewarmer? Wow. So he later contacted the victim and explained that if she and her family were cursed and needed more money to get rid of it. So, how do you, how do you bill somebody for being cursed? You're like, okay, I gotta, first of all, I gotta buy a lot of sage, um, for y'all. Crystals, the market for crystals is real up right now, like

• 1:00:09Speaker 05

  It is though. The market for crystals is up right now.

• 1:00:13Laci Mosley?

  I gotta charge them in the moonlight.

• 1:00:15Speaker 05

  About this crystal life, like in a real way.

• 1:00:17Laci Mosley?

  I got a few crystals, I won't lie. I haven't charged them, but I got them, you know, they're vibes.

• 1:00:22Speaker 05

  I need to charge them.

• 1:00:23Laci Mosley?

  What else, what else do you say is contributing to this fifty thousand dollars for you to clear a family curse? Like, I gotta talk to a lot of spirits and honestly, it's like, it's like six thousand an hour.

• 1:00:34Speaker 05

  It's taxing. It's taxing.

• 1:00:36Laci Mosley?

  We talking candles, we talking

• 1:00:39Speaker 05

  You know, like, the, the, the wifi signal has to be really strong.

• 1:00:44Laci Mosley?

  Really strong. And listen, these aren't candles from Glade, okay? These have to be handmade, you know, thick wick candles. They, they run up. Honestly, Jo Malone is really where you contact the spirit world, so

• 1:00:56Speaker 05

  Cause a Jo Malone candle will absolutely run you, yes.

• 1:00:59Laci Mosley?

  It will run it up. So during a search for of his home, officials found large amounts of cash along with voodoo dolls, tarot cards, altars, religious and satanic objects, and a small live snake. Well, he was giving it presentationally.

• 1:01:15Speaker 05

  The small snake is my favorite part. He was like, we gonna really bring this to another level.

• 1:01:20Laci Mosley?

  Right. He was like, if the snake starts slithering, that means your family cursed. He's like, that's how snakes move. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. If you're not cursed, just go walk or stay still.

• 1:01:29Speaker 05

  It sticks its tongue out, it's talking to me.

• 1:01:31Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and it's telling me that your family evil. So what y'all, what y'all trying to do? According to some victims, Manises would tell them to bring a mattress from their home, which he would cut open and claim to find the live snake inside with the demonic type items and letters.

• 1:01:52Speaker 05

  But you know what? Y'all dumb for doing this. The same way that there are an entire legion of QAnon members, believers like in Dallas right now that were waiting to see John F. Kennedy come back to life to claim the Donald Trump as the real president. Some people, I feel like they want to be scammed. Like, they're like, I scam me. Make me feel alive.

• 1:02:20Laci Mosley?

  Right. There's also something in America about being, you know, a contrarian or on the opposite side of a theory that makes people feel smart. So like, this is a secret thing that we all found out that like, John F. Kennedy is the second coming and uh.

• 1:02:35Speaker 05

  But there's like opposite side and then just like the upside down.

• 1:02:39Laci Mosley?

  Like, hey, girl, we going to Joanne's Fabrics first. Actually, we're going to Hobby Lobby because they really hate the girls. And so we're gonna get our puffy pant and our sign and then meet us on the grassy no. Cause they said John F. Kennedy gonna pull up around 6:30.

• 1:02:52Speaker 05

  I just, I can't, so like, it's the same energy that's like, all right, the wax shit is happening in my house. It's probably not me. It's probably a snake in my mattress.

• 1:03:04Laci Mosley?

  But Andreas, how are you getting the snake in the mattress without them noticing? Like, how are you cutting it open and then being like, oh, see, there's a snake in here? John, we saw you put that in there.

• 1:03:14Speaker 05

  Look, a bird. It's a plane. And you know, and they turn back around. He's like, look, it's John F. Kennedy. And they turn around looking for JFK. And when they turn back, they're like, we did not see him. And they're like, but he's like, I saw a snake.

• 1:03:27Laci Mosley?

  They're like, oop, is that your dead grandma? Look over there.

• 1:03:29Speaker 05

  Also, do you understand how hard it is to bring a mattress somewhere?

• 1:03:34Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So they got moving trucks. Y'all getting a U-Haul.

• 1:03:37Speaker 05

  And isn't it a box spring? Like, I just, I, like, that's not a casual... He didn't say bring an article of clothing.

• 1:03:45Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:03:45Speaker 05

  A mattress?

• 1:03:46Laci Mosley?

  Bring a letter, bring a piece of jewelry.

• 1:03:47Speaker 05

  Why he chose something so massive? And did he make them haul it away later? Like, did he make them take the mattress with them?

• 1:03:56Laci Mosley?

  He had to have. He's not keeping the mattress. He's like, y'all got a mattress giant, like, mattress giant's about to have some new ads. Like, did you have a snake in your mattress? Just a mattress giant.

• 1:04:05Speaker 05

  I hate hearing about dumbness. Like, it just, it drives me batty to hear people really just set themselves up for the foolery.

• 1:04:15Laci Mosley?

  Right. Like, a whole, and mattresses are expensive. Like, I don't know if I'm cutting my mattress open for a psychic reading. I just feel like Miss Cleo would never. Miss Cleo said, call me now. She's never said, run me your Casper. Like, that's a lot.

• 1:04:28Speaker 05

  Run me your Casper.

• 1:04:30Laci Mosley?

  That's too much. And so some victims said that he would tell them to, you know, bring the mattress. He would tell them that, you know, they had a demonic spirit following them. He was recently booked on charges of grand theft and lied, or basically grand theft by false pretenses. And he's currently out on bail. According to records, he has previously been arrested as a faith healer in Chicago.

• 1:04:51Speaker 05

  Okay. Well, all right. He's been arrested as a faith healer.

• 1:04:58Laci Mosley?

  He was a bad faith healer.

• 1:05:00Speaker 05

  Hilarious.

• 1:05:01Laci Mosley?

  I don't know how you arrest somebody for this. This feels like if I was trying to get the police to find somebody on a train who told me that they left their wallet and that they needed cash. And I was like, I saw them do the same thing last week in New York. Like, I feel like you just have to take the L. You brought your mattress to somebody's home. You are culpable.

• 1:05:21Speaker 05

  I guess if he affected enough people in the community, it just becomes like you're a menace. And thus, you must be dealt with. I don't know what the indictment charge is, you know?

• 1:05:31Laci Mosley?

  Was he trying to furnish his home? He was like, I feel like you have a very bad spirit in your end table. Is it wood? Bring it to my home. Cause I bet you it's a spirit in there.

• 1:05:43Speaker 05

  Yo.

• 1:05:44Laci Mosley?

  Do you have a Panasonic? Do you have an LG TV? Is it flat screen? Oh, it's a spirit in there. Bring it to my home.

• 1:05:51Speaker 05

  Like the premise of some type of twisted Korean film.

• 1:05:54Laci Mosley?

  Right. You got a Brita? Yeah, the new one with the thing to tell you when it's all, yeah, bring that in several refills to my home. It's a spirit in there.

• 1:06:04Speaker 05

  And then when it arrives, it's like, oh, that's the wrong one. You healed.

• 1:06:08Laci Mosley?

  Right. This is getting very specific, Andreas. Like I heard you got a spirit. It's definitely in your Persian rug. Bring it to my, like, are you decorating your house on, on psychic vibes? I don't know, Andreas. But that brings us to the end of the show. Thank you so much, Amanda, for being here. You're fabulous.

• 1:06:26Speaker 05

  Having me.

• 1:06:27Laci Mosley?

  Where do you want to be found? That's what we ask people. All the things you want people to find you in, just where you want to be found.

• 1:06:33Speaker 05

  You know where people can find me? People can find me on my Patreon. We started a Smart Funny and Black Patreon and you know, I was really looking for a place where I can put content that I didn't want to have to put on Instagram because Instagram is haters and you know, this Mark Zuckerberg and his metaverse, like, they just do things that are silencing people that actually are about things and I really just.

• 1:06:55Laci Mosley?

  Unblock your live?

• 1:06:56Speaker 05

  They have not. They have not unblocked my live. So by the time this airs, I hope that they have, but as we're recording this, it's been 12 days. And I just can't go on Instagram live and like, there's no explanation being given other than like, we're working on it. And I'm just like, dang, like. Is my shit so bad, like I just, there's

• 1:07:17Laci Mosley?

  You have great lives, they're not bad or problematic, there's people with bad lives.

• 1:07:22Speaker 05

  It says that the reason why it won't go live is because I have violated community guidelines. But even with that, I'm like, what, what guidelines am I violating? Like, the last time I got a flag for violating a community guideline was because someone came on my post and said that I was stupid and that I was an idiot and I was like, actually, and I corrected them about like the stuff they were saying, and then I ended with B I S H.

• 1:07:53Laci Mosley?

  That's not a thing.

• 1:07:54Speaker 05

  I ended with B I S H, bish, and got flagged for that. Now, come on.

• 1:08:01Laci Mosley?

  That's so whack. I feel like you do get a lot of unnecessary heat, like when the insecure, like, AKA thing happened, it was like, girl, what are y'all talking about?

• 1:08:08Speaker 05

  I, I live, I live, like, I honestly, if I was actua- I was talking to DJ Envy about this the other day, and I was like, of folks who get shit on for no reason, I think I'm

• 1:08:25Laci Mosley?

  You're up there.

• 1:08:26Speaker 05

  Top of the pops, B.

• 1:08:29Speaker 05

  Like, cuz the, cuz the reasons that people be shitting on me is nine times out of 10, either they've misinterpreted something I've said, or they've believed something someone else said.

• 1:08:38Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:08:38Speaker 05

  That had no truth to it. Like, I've had a particular blog, like, ruin my life like three times by literally just putting out a headline that was not accurate for the sake of inciting violence. They chose violence. But I, um, I started my Patreon because there were still people who are like fans and who wanna get, you know, dope stuff and who I wanna be able to like, have commentary for without being in like the swamp of the socials. And so you can go to patreon.com backslash smart, funny and black. You can check out my web series, Get Your Life, we have two seasons up. We also have my web series, uh, Views from a Mindland, where I answer questions from folks all over the world, and I do sketches and characters, etc.

• 1:09:22Speaker 05

  We also have a new segment, we're about to start. Called Hate Lines from the Innerwebs, where I address the wild-ass headlines he would be creating about me. And, you know, give the truth and the tea on all those things. And we also have a dope, just-for-Patreon segment coming up from my podcast. We're doing an artist series on Small Doses, where we're talking to different artists, including Christina Martinez, who just did a collabo with Nordstrom, and the portrait gallery artist, Ms. Amy Sherald, who did Michelle Obama's portrait. So we have a dope consortium of artists that are joining us. And what we did for Patreon was we did a specific segment just for Patreon, where they walk us through my favorite pieces of theirs. And they talk about why they did them,

• 1:10:06Speaker 05

  and, you know, where they were in their mind, and just the background of everything. So I'm just like, super-duper excited about that. We have a bunch of other stuff coming. And again, only available on Patreon. So hopefully you guys will check it out. Patreon.com/SmartFunnyAndBlack.

• 1:10:19Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and your Instagram. And then obviously you have a podcast, Small Doses.

• 1:10:23Speaker 05

  Yes, you can check out my podcast, Small Doses, every week. My Instagram is Amanda Seals.

• 1:10:30Speaker 05

  You know, and that's... And you can also go to SmartFunnyAndBlack.com, and we've got some cool stuff going on over there. And we actually ask anyone who's interested to please sign up for our newsletter, The Union, because really, we want to be able to connect directly with the folks that love our brand and the stuff we create. Right now, I feel like a lot of folks have to go through Facebook, or Instagram, or Twitter, or whatever, to connect to their audiences. And it makes it to where, like, the man is in the way. So we're trying to get around the man and get directly to the people. So head over to SmartFunnyAndBlack.com and sign on up.

• 1:11:06Laci Mosley?

  Yes, love this. As always, D-I-V-A-L-A-C-I, Diva Lacy on all platforms. Scam Goddess Pod, if you want to check out the pictures from this. Scam Goddess Pod on Twitter as well. If you want to send it to your friends and family, Scam Goddess Pod at gmail.com. Uh, yeah, watch Black Lives Matter Special. It's all out on HBO Max. Watch iCarly, first season's out on Paramount+. Give it to our shenanigans. Guys, we're up for an iHeartRadio Award. Watch, tune in. Thank you. And also, the merch, PodSwag.com. I'm about to switch it up. So if you want this around the merch, let's get it now before I take it away. Congregation, stay Schemin.

• 1:11:42Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Laci Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Kargvo, engineered by Marina Faiz, and researched by Kaelyn Brandt. Stay Schemin.

• 1:11:55Speaker 14

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