America's Slickest Pavement Hustler w/ The Smith Sisters

Laci welcomes Lauren, Rachel, and Mariah Smith (The Smith Sisters) to discuss their individual relationships with scams, and they do not disappoint. Then, they dive into the story of a mysterious New Hampshire man who’s been traveling the country for years, running a “classic pavement scam” that no one seems able to stop. He might knock on your door, and if he does, that means trouble is in town. Stay schemin’! CON-gregation, catch Laci's TV Show Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Did you miss out on a custom-signed Scam Goddess book? Look no more, nab your copy on PODSWAG Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Lauren Smith: @mslas Rachel Smith: @privatecitizenrachel Mariah Smith: @mariahmariahmariah The Smith Sisters: @smithsisterslive Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://www.cleveland19.com/2025/05/13/northeast-ohio-police-warn-residents-about-henry-stanley-his-asphalt-scam/ https://www.ky3.com/video/2024/08/27/your-side-investigation-lebanon-mo-business-owner-says-she-was-scammed-by-traveling-asphalt-company/ https://pavingprosraleigh.com/5-ways-to-identify-an-asphalt-paving-scam-before-it-happens/ https://patch.com/florida/lakeland/asphalt-paving-business-scam-uncovered-winter-haven-sheriff

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 2:33Laci Mosley?

  Welcome back to another installment of the podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it, and comedy. I'm your host, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. And I am what? Yes, excited. But you need to say it three times, okay? I'm excited, I'm excited, I'm excited. I'm elated for the guest that we have today.

• 2:57Laci Mosley?

  First, we have not one, but not two, but three icons blessing the show. First up, we have an Emmy nominated writer and the co-host of a Gracie Award-winning daily pop culture Sirius XM radio show. She was the head writer and co-executive producer on the first two seasons of HBO's A Black Lady Sketch Show, for which she won a TCA Award and received three Emmy nominations, including outstanding writing for a variety sketch series. Second, we have another wonderful queen off the mic. She's also an award-winning social media executive who takes her obsessions with celebrities and their online behaviors seriously. Her dedication to evangelizing about the power of pop culture

• 3:42Laci Mosley?

  stems from her own tenure in marketing, talent relations, and production teams, organizations like Sesame Street, Tidal, VH1, maybe you've heard of those. And last and certainly not least, we have another iconic co-queen, well-known for her pop culture knowledge and commentary. She's been a regular entertainment celebrity and TV contributor for The New York Times, Time Magazine, GQ, Cosmopolitan, Vice, and more. Congregation, please welcome Lauren Ashley Smith, Rachel Smith, and Hariah Smith, the Smith Sisters, to the show. Yay!

• 4:22Speaker 04

  Hi! Well done. Thank you for that.

• 4:24Laci Mosley?

  Thank you, Lacey.

• 4:25Speaker 04

  You knocked that out of the park. Thank you for that.

• 4:27Laci Mosley?

  Woo! I was, I was, I was getting in the weeds there. I love it. I was like, and they also won this. And then when they wasn't winning that, they was doing this. And when, and when they wasn't saving the world, they was doing this. And also, they're all blood related. Yes, yes. Like, you know I love your mamas. Yes, and she loves you.

• 4:47Speaker 05

  She loves you so much.

• 4:49Laci Mosley?

  She loves you. She really did the damn thing with y'all. Oh, God. And also, when I first met your mother, Lauren, we were at a Halloween party. Mm-hmm. And, and you were like, oh, you have to go see my mom. I had already seen your mom, and I just thought she was one of your little friends. Stop. Shut up.

• 5:06Speaker 05

  You were like, that's your mom?

• 5:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I had come up to her and was like, oh, what's good, sis? And then you were like, that's, I was like, she was like, that's my mom. And I was like. Like, well, let me correct myself. I was like, now, hold on, let me go over here. Hey, queen.

• 5:20Speaker 05

  Oh, my God.

• 5:22Laci Mosley?

  Our girl. I can't approach you regularly. Right, right. No way. If you guys approve it, I might blur out her face, but I would love to show the Halloween.

• 5:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, because she approves. You were dressed as the general.

• 5:33Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 5:34Speaker 05

  The insurance.

• 5:34Laci Mosley?

  The general car insurance.

• 5:36Speaker 05

  And my mom was dressed as Flo from Progressive, so we had two insurance icons.

• 5:40Laci Mosley?

  We had ad week, basically.

• 5:40Speaker 05

  Yes, yeah, at the Halloween party.

• 5:42Laci Mosley?

  And we squashed the beef. You did.

• 5:44Speaker 05

  It was so special.

• 5:45Laci Mosley?

  It was a moment of really extending all the branches, and it was a beautiful thing to witness. Yeah, I touched the hem of her apron. Yes.

• 5:52Speaker 05

  And your premiums went down.

• 5:54Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 5:54Speaker 05

  Come on now.

• 5:55Laci Mosley?

  Way down, okay? Listen, one of those insurance companies sponsor the show. I know, right? Reach out, reach out.

• 6:05Laci Mosley?

  So I have to ask you all, what is your relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed? Have you ever run any scams that are past the statute of limitations? Do you love a certain scammer? It could literally be anything, and anybody can go first.

• 6:18Speaker 05

  I am gonna go first because my scam, I was scammed, but I also participated in the scam.

• 6:26Laci Mosley?

  What?

• 6:27Speaker 05

  And you'll know what I'm talking about. In the early 2010s, I got really into like group fitness classes.

• 6:35Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 6:36Speaker 05

  And I started taking a workout class that was a Caribbean dance workout class.

• 6:41Laci Mosley?

  Okay, one, one.

• 6:42Speaker 05

  And of course, it had a name that was in that vein, but also, of course, the proprietor and, and CEO was a white woman.

• 6:51Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 6:51Speaker 05

  With a dream catcher tattoo.

• 6:53Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Damn.

• 6:54Speaker 05

  And.

• 6:55Laci Mosley?

  She said, I call all you Caribbean people's dreams.

• 6:59Speaker 05

  And I made him a class. And you go pay me for it. So I was a devotee of this workout class.

• 7:06Speaker 04

  Got us all in.

• 7:07Speaker 05

  Got my sisters into it, my friends into it. Roped them into the cult. To the point that I started doing like free social media stuff for her. Like I was basically working for her for free, which fine, that was my choice. Cause I got like a discount on classes, even though it should have been more. But the problem is that she roped me and the other people that were really into the class and helping her into doing a Kickstarter. So she could do a DVD of the workout class. We raised like thirty thousand dollars and I am still waiting for the DVD to be produced.

• 7:34Speaker 06

  I need an air horn.

• 7:36Speaker 05

  So like I was getting family, friends, I was like, support like a woman owned business and this class is so important to me. Did you know she was white? I knew she was white, even though she did, she was like, well, I'm part Native American. I was like, no, you're not. No. But she was a good dancer. She had, no, she had a feather. Okay. Sometimes a braid. But she was like a really good fitness instructor. It's like she could have just called it Zumba. Like that's actually how I started taking a class as Zumba. But she came up with this whole like, and it was like catch the flow and all that stuff. You know, catch the flow. It was so bad, but like I got so many people that I knew to donate.

• 8:12Speaker 04

  One of the people who was always in the front row. And also this class.

• 8:16Speaker 05

  So you had your front row seat too. That's a prominent seat.

• 8:20Speaker 04

  And this was a class in a major gym. So it's not like we were taking this one off, we had to have a membership to the gym. To get into the class, to do X, Y, and Z.

• 8:31Speaker 05

  We would follow her to different locations.

• 8:33Speaker 04

  I did have a good time when we were doing it.

• 8:35Speaker 05

  It was a great class.

• 8:36Speaker 04

  It got us into another scam.

• 8:37Speaker 05

  Different locations.

• 8:38Speaker 04

  Fitness instructor too. And hers was about like mental health.

• 8:42Speaker 05

  And we had to do. Affirmations.

• 8:46Speaker 04

  Affirmations while we were punching. It was wild.

• 8:48Speaker 05

  While you were punching. So I was both scammed, but I also did, I was an accomplice.

• 8:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:54Speaker 05

  To the scam.

• 8:55Laci Mosley?

  Okay, see, if you were having a good time. Yes. And the class was good. Was it? She, it's the DVD, the Kickstarter money. I feel like it's a scam because you were running her social media. You were, yeah. And then you roped in like a Ponzi scheme. You roped in your friends and family. And then you helped raise money for a DVD that is a DV don't. A DVD and not DVD time. 2014. It's a link at this point.

• 9:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:25Laci Mosley?

  Like me.

• 9:26Speaker 05

  We were doing Vimeo's then. You could have really had a strong Vimeo present. And the other thing is too is that even though she had the class like twice a week at like this actual gym, she then taught classes like Ripley Greer and stuff like that. And you could buy a class package. And then, but you had to pay like in cash upfront. And it was just like a little business card that she would punch. But then she would take long breaks from teaching. Yes. So it's like, well, I paid you $400 for this card, but you're not teaching any classes all summer. So now I just gave you $400. Yes.

• 9:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, girl, but she had to go on her spiritual journey.

• 10:01Speaker 05

  She did. She did.

• 10:02Laci Mosley?

  She had dreams of like a lot of retreats. It's Carnaval. Like, oh, and she went.

• 10:08Speaker 05

  Don't get it, I wonder where she is today.

• 10:10Laci Mosley?

  I wonder where she is. One, yo ass queen.

• 10:15Laci Mosley?

  Boya ka, boya ka.

• 10:18Speaker 05

  Very that. Very that.

• 10:20Laci Mosley?

  The class was right there.

• 10:22Speaker 05

  Though it did slap.

• 10:23Laci Mosley?

  It was great.

• 10:24Speaker 05

  I still hear songs that we did in the class and I immediately am like, burpees. This is when we did burpees.

• 10:31Laci Mosley?

  And I'm not a dancer. And it was like dance, dance, party of more than zumba. And I had the time of my life.

• 10:36Speaker 05

  Yes. Mike, can I tell my scam?

• 10:39Laci Mosley?

  Yes, go ahead, Rachel.

• 10:40Speaker 05

  After I graduated college, I moved to New York City. I wanted to live by my older sister Lauren.

• 10:48Laci Mosley?

  I love how y'all laugh when someone starts a story. You're like, I already know where this is going. I remember what happened.

• 10:54Speaker 06

  And I, you know, wanted to be close to Lauren. So I found an apartment that was like, close to Lauren, close to our cousin who lived across the street, Upper West Harlem. It was 150th and Broadway. And this was my first apartment out of college. So I had to have a roommate, but it was in the time of like Craigslist was, it was like teetering on the edge of like, is it crazy? Is it not crazy? But I toured a bunch-

• 11:21Laci Mosley?

  Craigslist used to really list.

• 11:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 11:23Laci Mosley?

  You know?

• 11:24Speaker 06

  It used to list. I, I got like furniture off of there.

• 11:27Laci Mosley?

  People still find apartments there. I got a TV off of there.

• 11:31Speaker 06

  I know people who have told me in this calendar year, they got their apartment from Craigslist.

• 11:35Laci Mosley?

  Whoa.

• 11:36Speaker 06

  And major-

• 11:37Laci Mosley?

  Okay, that's bold.

• 11:37Speaker 06

  That is, yeah, I would never, never do that.

• 11:39Laci Mosley?

  Cause nowadays they'll show you an apartment that's not even there.

• 11:42Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 11:43Speaker 04

  They're doing that on Facebook Marketplace too.

• 11:45Speaker 06

  Yes. So I, I toured a bunch of places. I met this guy, this old, how old was I? Like 21?

• 11:52Laci Mosley?

  21.

• 11:53Speaker 06

  He was probably-

• 11:54Speaker 04

  28.

• 11:55Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 11:55Laci Mosley?

  He probably was in his early 30s. So you met this guy off Craigslist?

• 11:58Speaker 06

  Yes. Okay. Gay guy, so I thought it was like-

• 12:01Laci Mosley?

  He was safe.

• 12:02Speaker 06

  Okay, he was safe.

• 12:03Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 12:03Speaker 06

  He was safe.

• 12:05Laci Mosley?

  He don't wanna, he don't wanna cut you or nothing. I've never met a dangerous gay man in my life.

• 12:08Speaker 06

  And he was white and tall. And I was like, you know what? He could protect me if something goes down. I, it was a two- Like the police come? Like the police come, he will protect me. It was a two bedroom, sort of small, but very cute and like, perfect for what I needed at the time. After probably a year that I lived there, I would go away sometimes and I would come home and there would be like blankets that I didn't put on there on my bed. And I would be like, did you have friends over in there? He would be like, no, I didn't have any. But I'd be like, this isn't my blanket and it's on my bed, okay?

• 12:44Laci Mosley?

  Hmm.

• 12:44Speaker 06

  So I thought that was weird. Then he would have guests for a certain amount of time where he would say, they're just gonna be here overnight. They would turn into like the weekend and then maybe like a week. And I would be like, hey, when's your person leaving? Then I started hearing him, it was a very small apartment. I started hearing him having conversations with his friends and guests that he would have over saying, you know what I, they'd be like, I love your TV or I love this. And he'd be like, you know what I do? I order something from like an Amazon or any store. I tell them that it wasn't delivered and I ask them to send me another one. So I get two of everything. And I was like, okay. Then I walked up to my apartment door one day, just off work, and there is an eviction notice on the door.

• 13:29Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 13:31Speaker 06

  And I was not on the lease, he was on the lease. So I was like, hey, girl.

• 13:37Laci Mosley?

  So you had been giving him your coin for the rent?

• 13:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, I said, we got an eviction notice. He was like, that's so weird. I pay it every month.

• 13:44Laci Mosley?

  That's so weird. That's so weird. That's so strange.

• 13:48Speaker 06

  It's so strange.

• 13:49Laci Mosley?

  Curious.

• 13:50Speaker 06

  And I was like, yeah, it is weird, but whatever. So then he kind of fixed it. Couple of months later, another eviction notice, second one came. And I said, you know, this is really weird. It popped up again. He's like, I'm gonna call them. I said, actually, let me call them.

• 14:06Laci Mosley?

  Let me call them, because they really should. They put it in our faces, sis, because you know, one thing I'm gonna do is do the rent.

• 14:14Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 14:15Laci Mosley?

  I call them right now. And some people don't like to pay it every month, but me? But me, somebody who pay it every month. I pay it right to them. I don't pay.

• 14:22Speaker 06

  I'm always paying my rent.

• 14:24Laci Mosley?

  I do it daily, first, last, and deposit.

• 14:28Speaker 06

  Yep, I'm always doing it.

• 14:29Laci Mosley?

  Every money that you gave me, I pay.

• 14:32Speaker 06

  It's with them.

• 14:32Laci Mosley?

  It just went straight to them.

• 14:34Speaker 06

  It never passed through me. It just spiritually went all the way there.

• 14:38Laci Mosley?

  Are they discriminating against our money because you black? Maybe they saw it with some black money and some gay money. And so then they threw it out. They threw it away.

• 14:46Speaker 06

  They didn't want to touch it.

• 14:47Laci Mosley?

  It was bigotry.

• 14:48Speaker 06

  It was crazy, okay? So he totally gaslit me. But my family was like, you need to call or stop paying him, pay them directly. I called. Of course, they said, this is not being paid. He and I got into some digital altercations where we would email each other. I basically was like, I'm gonna call a lawyer on you because you've been stealing my money. We would go back and forth. He then flipped the script.

• 15:15Laci Mosley?

  Are y'all still living together?

• 15:17Speaker 06

  Living together.

• 15:17Laci Mosley?

  So y'all are living together, but you in one room typing up angry emails? Yeah, he in the other.

• 15:22Speaker 06

  He kind of stopped showing up at the house. Or like, I would spend all day with Lauren or at work and then go home when I knew he would be asleep, whatever. Then one morning, I woke up. Every single item of his was gone from the apartment.

• 15:38Speaker 06

  Outside of trash that he left in the middle of every room. I forgot about that. Yeah. I was like, he's gone. He's gone. There's no trace of him. There's nothing. The place still what, but his name was on the lease, so I was never gonna be come after. But I was like, I'm now in a dirty apartment. I'm squatting. And I had. Was squatters have rights? That's true. That's true. I had a little bit of time to get out and the little, what do they call like the alderman in the building? The, not the landlord, but the super. The alderman in the building? You know, the governor. You know, the gov, the building governor. Classic building alderman. He makes, he does the decrees. The alderman in the building.

• 16:22Speaker 06

  Barack Obama started as the alderman in the building. A building alderman.

• 16:26Speaker 04

  A building alderman in South Side, Chicago. Direct line to the president.

• 16:30Speaker 06

  It was this old Caribbean woman and she was like, I knew he was bad from the beginning. You take however long you need to get out. Don't worry about cleaning up his mess. Just clean your room and it's okay. And I have never heard from him again. I gotta look him up.

• 16:46Speaker 04

  I gotta find him.

• 16:46Speaker 06

  I have some old emails from him that he was, he got, he got angry and nasty so quick. And I was like. Did he call you the N-word? He, I'm sure he almost did, but he had, wanted nothing to do with me, ghosted and that was my, that's my biggest scam that I've been a part of. That's a big one. Massive. It was bad. He was like, slay queen. Yeah. He's like, no bitch, I'mma slay you. I'mma slay you, queen. He's like, and that was my friend's blanket. Right. You get you and your little nappy hairs in my apartment. Exactly. House down, boots. Like, I didn't want you here anyway. House down, evicted.

• 17:30Laci Mosley?

  Scans.

• 17:34Speaker 02

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• 18:19Speaker 02

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• 20:03Speaker 04

  Oh my goodness. Now, my relationship to scamming is... You are a scammer. Well, no. I think there's a fine line between entrepreneurship and scamming. Yes. So... I call them serial entrepreneurs. Yeah. So, when I was younger, I was born with an entrepreneurial spirit. Amen.

• 20:23Laci Mosley?

  And all of her businesses have taken off.

• 20:25Speaker 04

  Yes. I mean, but... Well, you don't know why they got stopped in their tracks.

• 20:29Laci Mosley?

  Any kid who wants to get in business, we're always like, "That's a warning sign."

• 20:36Laci Mosley?

  I always say, "If you want to open up a lemonade stand, if you want to sell candy at school."

• 20:44Laci Mosley?

  Did we catch it?

• 20:45Speaker 04

  I didn't sell candy in school.

• 20:47Laci Mosley?

  Okay, Ryan, what'd you do?

• 20:49Speaker 04

  I sold candy in church. And my pastor asked me to stop.

• 20:55Speaker 04

  I would go to Sam's Club with my parents.

• 20:58Laci Mosley?

  Of course.

• 20:58Speaker 04

  At first, they gave me some seed money to buy my first box of candy.

• 21:03Laci Mosley?

  Not your head in basters.

• 21:05Speaker 04

  And after service, and I wouldn't do it before service, I would sell the candy bars, I think for $1.75, for the Mariah charity, and people bought them.

• 21:14Laci Mosley?

  The Mariah charity?

• 21:15Speaker 04

  Yeah. And so...

• 21:16Laci Mosley?

  The charity...

• 21:18Speaker 04

  Of her.

• 21:18Laci Mosley?

  Of her.

• 21:19Speaker 04

  Of you? Yeah.

• 21:20Laci Mosley?

  That's like me when I say the United Negro College Fund. I'm a Negro. I'm United...

• 21:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, with myself.

• 21:26Laci Mosley?

  With myself.

• 21:27Speaker 04

  Yes. And...

• 21:28Laci Mosley?

  Okay. So the Mariah...

• 21:30Speaker 04

  Yes. So I was able to, you know, keep some. And then, as we continued on, I was making way more than the boxes of... You know, what you call it? So, in any case, when the pastor asked me to stop, I was also a Girl Scout. And I, you, were you ever a Girl Scout?

• 21:46Speaker 06

  No.

• 21:46Speaker 04

  Okay, so when you were a Girl Scout and you were selling Girl Scout cookies back in the day, there was a catalog of things you could win as like top-selling Girl Scout.

• 21:54Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 21:55Speaker 04

  I was the only black girl on my Girl Scout troop and I just wasn't getting the sales I needed to get. So on the last day, I remember sitting in the parking lot of my elementary school with my mom. She bought, I think, three hundred boxes of cookies so I could win. And I won the prize and we sold those after church for about four weeks.

• 22:17Laci Mosley?

  Always a box of cookies.

• 22:18Speaker 06

  Always a box of cookies.

• 22:20Laci Mosley?

  Supportive parents.

• 22:21Speaker 06

  Very.

• 22:22Laci Mosley?

  And you know, you know, after you get the good word, you gonna come out and you'll.

• 22:26Speaker 04

  You want a snack.

• 22:27Laci Mosley?

  Baby, what you got them tang along? You know, I love them tang along.

• 22:31Speaker 04

  At that time, our church was, let's say, mobile. So there were. We were selling these in the lobby.

• 22:41Laci Mosley?

  Can we pause it? Your church was, let's say, mobile?

• 22:48Speaker 06

  Y'all going to a scam church? Your church is popping up.

• 22:52Speaker 04

  We gotta let the heat die down on, on Maplewood.

• 22:58Speaker 04

  We, so that, I think at that time, we were selling them in like a Drury Inn lobby, a hotel, and a high school theater lobby. And I think one time at this.

• 23:10Laci Mosley?

  A high school theater lobby?

• 23:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, we would have church in the auditorium.

• 23:13Laci Mosley?

  Okay, actually, I know somebody who has a church like that. Now, were you in high school at the time?

• 23:19Speaker 04

  I was not.

• 23:19Laci Mosley?

  And were you at that high, so you just?

• 23:23Speaker 04

  I was a child.

• 23:23Laci Mosley?

  So you just slid and then you were this cute child, of course.

• 23:27Speaker 06

  That's why people would buy from her because she'd be like, haha, it was like cute, like this little girl is like.

• 23:33Laci Mosley?

  Support me, Tiki.

• 23:35Speaker 06

  The next future president.

• 23:37Laci Mosley?

  That scam was her existence.

• 23:38Speaker 06

  If you don't buy these cookies.

• 23:40Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna do.

• 23:43Speaker 06

  My mom spent all this money on these cookies. She might not be able to pay a bit.

• 23:47Speaker 04

  But she got her fuzzy phone. Yes, no, it was the clear phone. Oh, the clear phone. Mm-hmm. So, I just, you know, I do what I think is best for me and my family. If that means creating and selling merch, I will do that.

• 23:58Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 23:59Speaker 04

  Um, and again, I, can I also sell a scam that has to do with the apartment in New York?

• 24:04Laci Mosley?

  Sure.

• 24:05Speaker 04

  I lived with Rachel.

• 24:06Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 24:06Speaker 04

  And she lived in this apartment after that guy.

• 24:09Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 24:09Speaker 04

  It came fully furnished when I was living there. And I, this was my first apartment out of college. And then I lived there for like five years in a bedroom, again, fully furnished, had a TV. When I moved out, I sold everything.

• 24:25Speaker 04

  Damn, the ladder was extended and you. As soon as you came on up, you yanked that ladder out. I said, I'm about to be moving out into a studio on my own. I'm gonna sell this TV out, know whose it is. I think I sold it for $450. Well, that's good TV price.

• 24:39Laci Mosley?

  You crazy, girl.

• 24:40Speaker 04

  She's.

• 24:41Laci Mosley?

  Mariah, you, you're one of my own hearts, yes.

• 24:45Speaker 04

  Okay, you were an entrepreneur. Yes, an entrepreneur.

• 24:47Laci Mosley?

  Sure, sure. You were like, this is so wonderful. I'm in a furnished apartment. Wow, just out of college, I really need this.

• 24:55Speaker 04

  And then as soon as you got your coins going on, you were like, and yanked this TV off the wall. And who want this, this queen size man?

• 25:04Laci Mosley?

  That was gifted to me. Everything must go.

• 25:08Speaker 04

  They didn't know, and the landlord, God bless him, he wouldn't know where it went.

• 25:12Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 25:13Speaker 04

  It could have been them, could have been me. And now it's definitely you. Yeah. I know that dude is not checking for nothing we do. No, he is not. He wouldn't let us pay rent on our terms. Yeah. He was very sweet.

• 25:26Laci Mosley?

  See, that's giving me, like, he had some other money on his side.

• 25:28Speaker 04

  Yes, he did.

• 25:29Laci Mosley?

  Like, the building might have been laundering for something else. Cause I had one of those when I first moved to LA. Um, his name was Arturo. I'm not gonna say nothing else.

• 25:40Laci Mosley?

  But he was so sweet and we paid him directly. Cause I was like, I'm not doing that group payment, cause what y'all be on. And I remember I got my first big TV show. It was Florida Girls. And so I went to Savannah and shot Florida Girls. And I came back and I was like, oh, I got coin now. Like, I don't have to work at the restaurant no more. I ain't gotta serve nobody nothing no more. But yourself. But myself. And so I walked, it was a huge place, three bedroom, like one of the old school. Where was that? L.A. apartments, um, on Melrose. Oh, nice. And it's huge. And I walked in and I was like, hey, y'all, I'm back. And I think we should do some renovations around here. Because this is really nice. I don't want to move. We can, you know, get the A.C.s that hang on the wall.

• 26:23Laci Mosley?

  I was walking Arturo through and I was like, in the kitchen, we can get rid of this, this crown molding and these, these cabinets need to go. And what about this island? We could do something different with that. He said, yeah, as soon as your roommates pay their rent. And I was like. What? And he was like, yeah, I was about to put eviction notice on y'all door. And he had let everybody pay like the whole time that we were there, but I. He reached a threshold. So you were the only person paying? Yeah. That was giving them grace, your payment. Yeah. You were carrying them on your back. And I had no idea. Oh, my god. Until it got real heavy. It's actually a story that's in my book, so I'm not going to go too much detail.

• 27:04Laci Mosley?

  But let's just say by the end of it, I was calling the police because my, I was on the phone with my mother. They were trying to move somebody else into a room that I was paying to keep empty. It's like a self-tape room, like all this stuff. And I went to Vegas and came back and somebody was living up in there. And I was like, um. And it was like related to the person who was my roommate.

• 27:26Laci Mosley?

  And so then I'm on the phone with my mama, like, I don't know what's going on. And I had my door closed. I'm talking quietly. Then they start beating on my door. And they're like, Lacey, come out here. Lacey, we need to talk. Lacey, da, da, da, da. And my mom's like, call the police. Oh, my god. Before they dig a U-size hole in the backyard.

• 27:44Laci Mosley?

  Come on, mom. Tiny little hole. I know. Damn, why you gotta set the hole tight? I'm five nine, boy. I am five nine. Not a little baby hole.

• 27:58Laci Mosley?

  She's like, yeah, big enough for a grapefruit. Yeah.

• 28:02Laci Mosley?

  No, but people will get shifty on you. They will. And I'll get shifty back. But also Arturo was like, I didn't need the money until I needed the money. Exactly. But he was so chill about everything. Yeah. And even him saying like, yeah, I was gonna put in an eviction notice in a little bit, I guess. Like, it wasn't like a... He was thinking about it. It wasn't like those landlords you see on TV and movies where they'd be like, where is my money?

• 28:25Speaker 05

  Where y'all gonna be on the street?

• 28:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 28:27Speaker 05

  That's someone who doesn't want to interact with the courts. So they're not going to be... They're like, I don't need anyone looking over here.

• 28:34Laci Mosley?

  No. Yeah, he was always in Mexico a lot. Yeah, and the eviction notice would have been printed from his printers. Yeah.

• 28:39Speaker 05

  It would have been...

• 28:40Laci Mosley?

  It would have been from the state. It would not have come from LA County. Absolutely not, because he was always in Mexico. And it just, he gave me the vibes of like someone so sweet, too sweet. That when he in Mexico, like, he's like getting the goons to like beat somebody up. And then he like gets a rag and he's like, now clean him up.

• 29:00Speaker 05

  Stupid.

• 29:01Laci Mosley?

  I love them.

• 29:04Laci Mosley?

  So I loved all of these. Wow, y'all really came with... Lauren, you got scammed.

• 29:09Speaker 05

  I did.

• 29:10Laci Mosley?

  She was working for that white lady.

• 29:12Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 29:14Laci Mosley?

  And legitimizing all her Caribbean...

• 29:15Speaker 05

  Yes, and people probably saw me with my braids.

• 29:18Laci Mosley?

  Oh my god.

• 29:19Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 29:20Laci Mosley?

  It's her company.

• 29:21Speaker 05

  She put her stamp of a label on it.

• 29:24Laci Mosley?

  They're their coworker.

• 29:25Speaker 05

  Yes, believe the black one.

• 29:27Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 29:29Speaker 05

  Horrible.

• 29:29Laci Mosley?

  A mess. And then Rachel, you did get scammed, but, but actually, you didn't. I didn't. Because you, okay, he took your money. Yes, he did. But you gonna take that money anyway to give it to Rent. Exactly. It just wasn't going to where you thought. That's true, that's true, yes. And the Caribbean lady was nice and was like, she ain't run your ass out of there. She gave me grace, she gave me grace, so we give back things. And Mariah, you are a scammer. I am not, I am a businesswoman. You are a serial entrepreneur. A businesswoman. Out there selling them folks cookies.

• 30:03Laci Mosley?

  That's like an episode out of The Boondocks. Yes, it is.

• 30:06Speaker 06

  It is.

• 30:08Laci Mosley?

  So let's get into our next segment, my favorite segment, Historic Hoodwings. This is where I will gale all of the Smith sisters with a mysterious con caper group of criminals. We don't know yet, maybe we like them, maybe we hate them. We'll see along the way. So, a mysterious New Hampshire man has been traveling the country running a classic pavement scam. For years, and no one can catch him. He might knock on your door, and if he does, that means troubles in town. So this is him, Mr. Pavement.

• 30:42Speaker 06

  Okay, he looks like somebody.

• 30:45Laci Mosley?

  Of course he's wanted in Florida because this is where you do things like this. He was accused of impersonating an asphalt contractor. Police say some asphalt laid and then leave without payment.

• 30:59Speaker 06

  Oh my gosh.

• 31:00Laci Mosley?

  So he would start the job a little bit, and then leave.

• 31:05Speaker 06

  Yes. I've heard of this, we've heard.

• 31:08Laci Mosley?

  Oh, then leave with payment. Because I was like, leave without payment, that don't make no sense.

• 31:11Speaker 06

  Oh, that means he also had to have had the.

• 31:14Laci Mosley?

  Some asphalt.

• 31:15Speaker 06

  Some asphalt, some tools, some machinery to start the job.

• 31:20Speaker 04

  But I don't know what I would think someone who was laying asphalt, what they would need. Because it either could be extremely extensive, or.

• 31:27Laci Mosley?

  And that's cement.

• 31:29Speaker 04

  But it's asphalt and cement, they're not the same.

• 31:32Speaker 06

  But you have to take up something.

• 31:34Laci Mosley?

  What is asphalt? It's black stuff, right?

• 31:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 31:38Speaker 04

  Can we see what. Can I also say, when you said a pavement scammer, I thought it was like he was doing it all on foot. Not that he was at the pavement.

• 31:46Laci Mosley?

  So asphalt is composite material used for paving roads and other surfaces, mixture of minerals. Okay, so maybe it's just pouring.

• 31:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, so he probably came with buckets, or like empty buckets and a.

• 31:57Laci Mosley?

  But doesn't it have to be hot? I think it has to be hot. I think it has to be hot, because then they like block it off, you can't walk on it for a couple days. That's why we press our hands and our initials in it. Again, that's cement.

• 32:08Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 32:10Laci Mosley?

  I have a real love for concrete.

• 32:12Speaker 04

  I know, same.

• 32:13Speaker 06

  That's where we do the heart.

• 32:15Laci Mosley?

  Yes. We wrote a signature. In the asphalt.

• 32:22Laci Mosley?

  Y'all wrote a L, R, and M. Okay, so he's, he's wanted. Oh, gosh. Wow. So his name is Henry Stanley. In May, police officers in Ohio issued a warning to business owners and residences about a suspected asphalt scammer. Wow. He showed up at businesses, says he has leftover asphalt from a nearby paving job, and offers to fill the potholes in the parking lot at a cheap cost. Oh. So he's showing up and he like, "Look, I got some hot fault."

• 32:57Speaker 05

  Gotta use it up.

• 32:58Laci Mosley?

  Gotta use it up. I see you got some holes over there.

• 33:00Speaker 05

  I know.

• 33:00Laci Mosley?

  Can I fill that up for you? Yeah, somebody just bust a tire in that hole.

• 33:06Speaker 05

  Let me fault that for you real quick.

• 33:07Laci Mosley?

  Let me fault that for you fam. Let's zoom in on these comments. Oh, my gosh. This is the city, this is the city Oh, God. of Vermillion Police Department. So the VPD has

• 33:23Laci Mosley?

  several reports of an asphalt pothole filling scam being conducted surrounding the area. The suspect identifies himself as Henry Stanley. With a paving company, Henry shows up at the area of the business and states that he's doing a paving job in that area. When he, you know, he got some extra asphalt. Yeah. Okay, and then, okay, so this is just the morning and then people are getting shocked. Somebody says, "Reminds me of the guys, two different ones who saw a big dent on the rear bumper of my Saturn Aurora and offered to fix it cash only, had to borrow the tools from their boss. Ah, no thanks, especially when I don't even know you." Okay, so she

• 34:05Speaker 05

  I roll. Not this man advertising for his friend.

• 34:09Laci Mosley?

  You're just giving a testimony. That was not a response to this.

• 34:13Speaker 05

  I feel like this scam requires so much work on Henry Stanley's part. It's like he has to get at least a little bit of asphalt or something that looks like it. Go scope out parking lots that have potholes in them that need repairing. Hunt down the business owner, set a meeting, do an estimate. It's like, just steal. Like, just This is so involved.

• 34:37Laci Mosley?

  Scamming is a profession. You gotta work hard. So after the owner agrees, he and his crew repave large portions of the parking lot and then send a much higher than expected bill.

• 34:49Speaker 04

  Ah.

• 34:50Laci Mosley?

  Two Ohio businesses have already received bills of $50,000.

• 34:54Speaker 04

  What?

• 34:55Speaker 06

  What?

• 34:56Speaker 05

  $50,000.

• 34:57Speaker 06

  So he's not just asking for a thousand dollars, maybe.

• 35:01Speaker 04

  $50,000? Well, should I be paving asphalt?

• 35:04Speaker 06

  No. You gotta learn first.

• 35:06Speaker 04

  I know.

• 35:07Laci Mosley?

  Do you have to learn?

• 35:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, apparently not.

• 35:09Laci Mosley?

  I feel like you're just pouring something out of a bucket. I can do that.

• 35:12Speaker 06

  I have strong hands. You got, no, no, do not. She's gonna look it up.

• 35:18Speaker 05

  Yeah. She's already gonna look it up.

• 35:21Laci Mosley?

  And then if I can do six parking lots.

• 35:24Speaker 05

  Right.

• 35:25Laci Mosley?

  A week.

• 35:26Speaker 05

  In two months.

• 35:26Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 35:28Speaker 05

  LA is a big city.

• 35:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 35:31Speaker 05

  I love potholes in LA.

• 35:33Laci Mosley?

  I love some potholes on my way.

• 35:34Speaker 06

  Honestly.

• 35:36Speaker 05

  No, Mariah.

• 35:37Laci Mosley?

  I don't know.

• 35:38Speaker 06

  I have heard, though, recently, a friend of mine was saying that she hired someone to do a job at her house. It was like multiple contractors.

• 35:48Speaker 05

  Aldermen.

• 35:49Speaker 06

  Aldermen.

• 35:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:51Speaker 06

  They did half the job and then no response. When she's like, are you coming tomorrow? They've ghosted her, but she had already paid them the majority of the bill. And that's not the first time I've heard of that.

• 36:03Speaker 04

  That happened to someone I know, their mom.

• 36:05Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm. That's why you can't pay them the full until it's done. And contractors love to be like, oh, they walk through the first time and be like, oh, yeah, we can have this done in 72 hours.

• 36:14Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 36:15Laci Mosley?

  And then they come back and they, oh, uh, actually, I mean, 72 months.

• 36:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 36:20Laci Mosley?

  Did I say hours? I'm like, mm.

• 36:22Speaker 05

  And we'll finish it. We'll finish the bathroom. We won't have the tub or the toilet in until 2029.

• 36:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 36:28Speaker 05

  But it will be ready.

• 36:29Laci Mosley?

  And that house won't be late, okay?

• 36:33Speaker 06

  It's so bad. But it's an ultimate, they're like, I know how to do enough of the job.

• 36:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:38Speaker 06

  To where you think that I have it all together and then I'm gonna roll up, do part of it, and you're gonna give me all your money.

• 36:46Speaker 05

  I'm just not cut out for scamming them because I feel like if I'm gonna go to the trouble of being on the hook for a scam.

• 36:52Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 36:53Speaker 05

  Then I want it to be such a light lift. I don't want to do a little bit of work.

• 36:57Speaker 04

  And then it appears he has a payroll for the scam.

• 36:59Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 37:00Speaker 04

  Like. His friend. Yeah. I know Home Depot hates to see him coming.

• 37:05Laci Mosley?

  He's like, ah, Fury, come find his little boy. Work for the asphalt and then some black bank.

• 37:11Speaker 04

  Right now, lock it up.

• 37:13Laci Mosley?

  Robbery.

• 37:16Speaker 02

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• 40:29Laci Mosley?

  on Sirius XM's Radio Andy. And now, back to the show.

• 40:35Laci Mosley?

  So in Missouri of 2024, Shelly Cravens owns the famous Munger Moss Hotel. I've never heard of this hotel, but it's on Route 66 in Lebanon, Missouri. And apparently, it's famous. Look at it, it's got so many arrows and lights.

• 40:53Laci Mosley?

  Red carpet in. I don't believe that. There's an oil slick where the red carpet should be. It gives me like that you could pay about an hour vibes. Lots of outdoor-facing doors. Yeah, that's not good. So last year, an asphalt company pulled into the parking lot. Shelly noticed the trucks had New Hampshire plates on them, but she assumed they moved to Missouri to start a business.

• 41:17Speaker 05

  Shelley giving the benefit of the doubt so generously.

• 41:20Speaker 06

  Shelley, have you ever heard of a rental company? Like, just because it had New Hampshire plates didn't mean they moved there.

• 41:27Speaker 05

  They drove directly from New Hampshire.

• 41:29Speaker 06

  To the Munger Moss.

• 41:31Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I had Texas plates for a year in California until my car got impounded because they were like, "You're not supposed to have Texas plates anymore."

• 41:38Speaker 06

  Oh, no.

• 41:39Speaker 05

  It's crazy.

• 41:40Laci Mosley?

  And I was like, "Whoopsie." And it was in Beverly fucking Hills because the police don't have nothing to do over there.

• 41:45Speaker 05

  They're so bored. They're having fun. They run plates like no one's business.

• 41:49Speaker 06

  That's crazy.

• 41:49Laci Mosley?

  So, a man walked into the motel and said he had leftover asphalt. He needed to get rid of it. He offered to smooth out a section of pavement in the parking lot and create new drainage systems. Shelley paid him $18,000.

• 42:04Speaker 05

  What? How does she make that much?

• 42:07Laci Mosley?

  Because it's famous. In Missouri, everybody going in that motel.

• 42:10Speaker 05

  We're from Missouri. I've never heard of this place. And I've been through Lebanon, I think, and I have never seen it.

• 42:17Laci Mosley?

  I have never.

• 42:19Speaker 06

  And not even any lights that look like that.

• 42:21Speaker 05

  No.

• 42:23Speaker 06

  Not even the...

• 42:24Speaker 05

  It ain't that famous.

• 42:26Speaker 06

  The only thing that's familiar is the sign, the lower sign that looks like a church sign at the bottom. That's the only thing that looks St. Louis or Missouri to me.

• 42:36Speaker 05

  Okay, well, they... I don't know Munger. I don't know Moss. And I don't know Munger and Moss.

• 42:41Laci Mosley?

  Damn, y'all don't know her?

• 42:44Speaker 05

  No.

• 42:44Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 42:45Speaker 05

  Sorry to this motel.

• 42:49Laci Mosley?

  I'm shook. They typed up so hard. They're like, "We're from Missouri. We ain't never seen this place."

• 42:56Speaker 05

  So, again, I'm gonna need Shelley to tell us how she got her $18,000.

• 43:00Laci Mosley?

  So, he was supposed to come back and finish the job. The man's name is, obviously, Henry Stanley. So, when local news reporter Ashley Reynolds called, he did pick up the phone. So, because remember, it's starting to get around, like, that he's scamming people.

• 43:16Speaker 06

  So, he's using his real number also, which is stupid.

• 43:19Laci Mosley?

  He needs a burner. So, let's see what the local news had to say.

• 43:24Speaker 10

  A motel owner in Lebanon thought it was a deal. An asphalt company pulled up and offered to repair the pavement. $18,000 later, the job isn't done. She contacted on your side's Isha Reynolds so this doesn't happen to you.

• 43:37Speaker 11

  So the job was to smooth all this out, right?

• 43:40Speaker 12

  Yeah, and to make, make a little covet for the water to run down.

• 43:45Speaker 11

  Chilly Cravens at the Munger Moss Motel on Route 66 in Lebanon says she hired this guy, Henry Stanley, out of New Hampshire, to get the job done.

• 43:55Speaker 12

  I saw the New Hampshire plates, I thought maybe they just moved here and started a business. You know, I just always assume everybody's not lying to you, they're gonna do what's right, what they say, and I just fell for it, hook, line, and sinker. He knows what he's doing. There's leftover asphalt he needs to get rid of. He said I can do it for a good price.

• 44:17Speaker 11

  She paid him $18,000.

• 44:20Speaker 12

  Astronomical.

• 44:21Speaker 11

  She says he was supposed to come back and finish the job. That was two weeks ago. Now, she cannot get a hold of him. I did, and asked him when he'll be back. Okay, when will you do that? He would not answer that question and hung up on me. I called him back. I tried to ask him about this case. Two years ago, a Henry Stanley from New Hampshire was wanted and then later arrested by the Polk County Sheriff's Office in Florida.

• 44:48Speaker 06

  Oh my god.

• 44:48Laci Mosley?

  Why does he keep using that name?

• 44:50Speaker 06

  Why does he keep, I have so many questions. Also, the size of that does not equate $18,000.

• 44:58Laci Mosley?

  Well, he was also gonna rig up something for the water. A bowl?

• 45:02Speaker 05

  He, he looked so incompetent in that surveillance footage they had, he was like a teenager.

• 45:08Speaker 06

  Yes. And when someone approaches you and says, "If I'm ever looking for a contractor, they're maybe leaving something on my door." They're never walking in saying, "I have all the tools necessary to do the job. Pay me now and I'll do it right now."

• 45:24Speaker 05

  And leftover.

• 45:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 45:25Speaker 05

  I can't look you up? You haven't shown me your previous work?

• 45:29Speaker 06

  Save it for your next job.

• 45:31Speaker 04

  So stupid.

• 45:32Speaker 05

  Mr. Stanley, you are...

• 45:35Speaker 04

  I love how my girl had her merch on, though.

• 45:37Speaker 05

  She did.

• 45:37Laci Mosley?

  She did.

• 45:38Speaker 05

  Mungamas.

• 45:39Laci Mosley?

  Her hair color was so fresh.

• 45:41Speaker 04

  I take it back, Shelley.

• 45:44Laci Mosley?

  She said, "I'm finna be on the news, honey." Mungamas Hotel.

• 45:48Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 45:48Laci Mosley?

  She said, "When you pull in, it might be a little grabby." Also, like, this is... But you're gonna have a good time.

• 45:54Speaker 05

  This is illuminating how, like, I think lazy and non-confrontational I am because, like, the fact that she was like, "It's been two weeks and he hasn't come back." I would've let this go for, like, two months.

• 46:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, for sure.

• 46:05Speaker 05

  And I'm like, "You know, he did not come back."

• 46:07Speaker 04

  My thought would be, "Oh, he got killed."

• 46:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:11Laci Mosley?

  How optimistic of you, Rachel.

• 46:14Speaker 04

  Oh, he died.

• 46:15Speaker 05

  It's something similar. Not when I had an issue in my apartment, my immediate is, I'm like Shelley, I'm calling legal services.

• 46:22Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 46:23Speaker 05

  Immediately.

• 46:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, okay, Rachel, I'm on your side, cuz I couldn't find my tax accountant for a while, and then I Googled him, and somebody with the same name, it was an obituary, and I was like, "Oh, that's why he not emailing me back. He died."

• 46:36Speaker 04

  He's dead. Rest in peace.

• 46:37Laci Mosley?

  And then he actually wasn't dead, he was just busy.

• 46:40Speaker 05

  Oh, God.

• 46:42Laci Mosley?

  But I did, I was like, "Oh, it makes sense."

• 46:43Speaker 04

  It makes sense. Of course he didn't get back to me.

• 46:45Speaker 05

  The only reason someone wouldn't get back to me is that.

• 46:47Laci Mosley?

  It's cuz they died.

• 46:48Speaker 04

  They absolutely passed away.

• 46:50Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and you know what? There is some instances where that really did happen. If you heard this on the show before, remember, we did, friend. But I had an email come through. I was going, I had an assistant who, not the last assistant, y'all know we love Emily.

• 47:04Speaker 05

  Love Emily.

• 47:04Laci Mosley?

  But I had an assistant before that who I think was actively trying to kill me. She, I had asked her, you know, I told her what places I like to go for, like, the dentist and, like, areas, cuz like, if you're in 90210, you can't be a bad dentist cuz you gotta pay that rent, honey. It's expensive, so I like to go over there because I know you gotta pay that rent. And so she found this place, and I went in, and he had Balenciaga pillows, a flat-screen TV playing Baboni. Like, I went in to have a tooth extracted, and he, like, was like, "Oh, yeah, we gotta get this tooth out." And he got one leg up on the...

• 47:41Speaker 05

  Oh, no.

• 47:41Speaker 04

  Lacy.

• 47:42Laci Mosley?

  On the, on the, like, he numbed me, and then he got one leg up on the table and started yanking.

• 47:47Speaker 05

  No.

• 47:49Laci Mosley?

  And then he was like, oh, we need to put this thing in there to his dental assistant. And the dental assistant was like, oh, we ran out of those. And he was like, oh, it's fine. And I'm like, is it fine? I think I need the thing. Anyways, cut to, I get an email and it's like, Dr. So-and-so has died.

• 48:05Speaker 06

  Oh, my god.

• 48:07Laci Mosley?

  But we know that he would want you to keep your cleaning appointment.

• 48:10Speaker 06

  No.

• 48:11Laci Mosley?

  Like, all in the same email, like, that's what he would have wanted.

• 48:13Speaker 06

  No.

• 48:14Speaker 04

  His final wish.

• 48:15Laci Mosley?

  He died suddenly. And they were like, but he won't try to keep y'all appointments. What?

• 48:19Speaker 06

  What?

• 48:20Speaker 05

  Doesn't care. What?

• 48:23Speaker 04

  His back probably gave out from yanking.

• 48:25Speaker 05

  Yanking all the teeth out.

• 48:27Laci Mosley?

  Once I had to have another tooth removed and I went to a nicer place that I've been going to. And when I was like, okay, I'm really nervous. He was like, why are you so shaky? And I was like, um, because when are you gonna put your foot up?

• 48:39Speaker 05

  We don't do that.

• 48:40Laci Mosley?

  And he was like, we don't do that.

• 48:42Speaker 05

  No.

• 48:43Laci Mosley?

  That's not how it works. I was like, you're not gonna get the pliers out and just start yanking?

• 48:47Speaker 06

  No.

• 48:50Speaker 05

  The foot up is too much.

• 48:52Speaker 06

  Dental scams, though, are real. I had my mouth open at an appointment one time. And the dentist was like, oh, we're in here. He basically started doing a root canal and I thought I was just getting a filling. And he wouldn't stop. And I basically was like, can you tell me what you're doing? And he was like, it's fine, it's fine. We'll talk about how much it costs later. But he just kept doing the work. And I was like, I didn't approve this work.

• 49:18Speaker 05

  What's your problem? We'll talk about it later. We're not talking about it later.

• 49:21Speaker 06

  It was so bad.

• 49:21Speaker 04

  I had a dentist once take three of my wisdom teeth out the first day I went.

• 49:27Speaker 06

  For funsies?

• 49:27Speaker 04

  And I was walk, I remember I walked, it was in Harlem. And it was a new dentist, it was like the first time I had my own insurance. I walked to the dentist, I was like, this is fun. I walked to my own dentist, da-da-da.

• 49:38Speaker 04

  They took all three of my wisdom teeth out. I walked home and I was so, like, I was like, what just happened?

• 49:46Speaker 05

  Normally, they're like, well, you're gonna need to be off work.

• 49:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. No.

• 49:50Speaker 06

  Can someone pick you up?

• 49:51Speaker 04

  No. I walked home and I was spooked. And then I had a bad root canal.

• 49:56Laci Mosley?

  He saw that good insurance and he said, you know what? Let me yank them wisdom. Because wisdom teeth yanking is a scam. If you're not having an infection, if it's not crowding your mouth, you don't need them out.

• 50:07Speaker 05

  I still have mine.

• 50:07Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I have most of mine, but like... They do try to run it up with that wisdom tooth.

• 50:12Speaker 04

  Yes, they do.

• 50:13Laci Mosley?

  They got a whole brand for it too, the wisdom tooth. Like, you gotta get rid of it. It's nasty.

• 50:18Speaker 05

  It definitely feels like that. Like, I have, um, every time I go to a new dentist, which is not that often anymore, but they'll be like, "Oh, have you ever thought about getting your wisdom teeth out?" Like, they start, and I'm like, "Oh, well, actually, one of them is sitting on a nerve." They go, "Oh, okay."

• 50:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:32Laci Mosley?

  I feel like, see the dollar sign disappears.

• 50:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:36Laci Mosley?

  I was just scared. She just wants a cleaning. She just wants to get her teeth worked on.

• 50:42Speaker 04

  I got a root canal yesterday, and the tooth never hurt. But then, Lord's mercy.

• 50:47Laci Mosley?

  Mariah, what?

• 50:48Speaker 04

  But they said it was for...

• 50:50Laci Mosley?

  About to. They said it was finna start hurting.

• 50:53Speaker 04

  It was point, it was like a 0.1 milliliters away from the nerve.

• 50:57Laci Mosley?

  They said, "No, milliliters."

• 51:00Speaker 04

  Milliliters. It was filling up.

• 51:03Speaker 04

  But then, when they did the numbing, and they're like, "Oh, you've had no sensitivity in this tooth." I was like, "No, I just came to this new dentist for a cleaning." And now I've been three times, and I have a fourth time to go next week.

• 51:14Laci Mosley?

  Dentists are scammers. They are. A lot of them are.

• 51:17Speaker 04

  They hit a nerve, and my tongue did feel like I got an electric shock, so maybe I didn't need it.

• 51:21Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Lord. Or maybe they was hitting some nerves just to prove a point. They were like, poke one so she knows. Let's just poke one so she know that we doing the right thing by ripping it out. Just hit her one time with the, with the scope.

• 51:32Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 51:33Laci Mosley?

  So, back to our mans here. What is his name again?

• 51:38Speaker 04

  Henry Stanley. Henry Stanley.

• 51:40Laci Mosley?

  Henry Stanley. So, this is Florida 2022.

• 51:44Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 51:45Laci Mosley?

  A detective with years worth of experience investigating and charging traveling asphalt scam artists, which is so niche.

• 51:53Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 51:54Laci Mosley?

  Um, when I grow up, I wanna investigate asphalt scammers.

• 52:01Laci Mosley?

  So he drove by several men performing what appeared to be possibly illegal asphalt work in a convenience store parking lot. I don't know how he knows.

• 52:10Speaker 06

  How do you know? How do you know?

• 52:12Laci Mosley?

  Cause he probably is like, oh, they're just like throwing it. Maybe he knows like what the work should look like.

• 52:18Speaker 06

  As an expert.

• 52:18Laci Mosley?

  As an expert in the field. So 36-year-old Raymond Walk III of Michigan claimed to be the owner of Country Asphalt and Trucking LLC with a Davenport.

• 52:30Speaker 06

  Look at him. Yeah, the side eye. Oh, God.

• 52:33Laci Mosley?

  He really did not want to get caught.

• 52:35Speaker 06

  He's like, oh dang. He's like, y'all can take the picture. I'm not gonna look though.

• 52:39Laci Mosley?

  I'm not gonna look though.

• 52:40Speaker 06

  He's like, if I put my chin up high enough, I can say this wasn't me.

• 52:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 52:45Laci Mosley?

  You're never gonna know. He does have the face of every white man.

• 52:49Speaker 06

  Yes, he does.

• 52:50Laci Mosley?

  He could just be like, this is not me.

• 52:51Speaker 06

  That's not me.

• 52:52Laci Mosley?

  A haircut and a shave. He got a new life.

• 52:54Speaker 06

  Totally different. Yes.

• 52:55Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Put his neck down. I don't know who he is. He claimed to be the owner of Country and Asphalt Trucking LLC with a Davenport, Florida address, right? So, which was actually a UPS store P O box.

• 53:10Speaker 06

  Oh, no.

• 53:11Laci Mosley?

  So his address was the UPS store. He said, what can Brown scam for you? Along with accomplice 28-year-old Henry Stanley of New Hampshire and 31-year-old David Millivir of Texas, he pressured the convenience store owner to allow them to pave the parking lot. Work initially asked for, I'm sorry, Walk initially asked for $5,000, but convinced the victim to pay $7,000 instead. Stanley then instructed the victim to write a $7,000 check payable to Walk, that's Raymond Walk, that we saw before. Um, oh, this is the other guy, David.

• 53:50Speaker 06

  Oh, my God. He's kinda cute. I don't, cute. The black under eye? I like his, I like his, um. He looks ducky. Confidence. He looks tall. He definitely looks tall, but is that it?

• 54:02Laci Mosley?

  He, that is simply it, sisters.

• 54:05Speaker 06

  And he looks shifty as fuck.

• 54:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 54:07Speaker 06

  I don't know. I think he's cute.

• 54:08Laci Mosley?

  No, he looks, I'd rather Henry.

• 54:10Speaker 06

  I trust him at all of them.

• 54:11Laci Mosley?

  No, Henry's my boy. He looked like he was like, "I lay ass fall." Works hard. He works hard. He's on a TLC show.

• 54:19Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 54:20Laci Mosley?

  He looks like the, like, rejected property brother.

• 54:22Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 54:23Speaker 06

  Also, them now splitting, Henry going from 18K by himself to seven, split between three people.

• 54:31Speaker 05

  Business is tough.

• 54:32Speaker 06

  Bad.

• 54:33Laci Mosley?

  He needed more convincing ruse. I think people were getting word of one guy popping up. He was like, "What if we were three guys popping up?" Then, then we're not suspicious no more. So Stanley then instructed the victim to write a $7,000 check payable to this strange-looking man up here, Raymond Walk.

• 54:53Laci Mosley?

  He was told that Walk wanted to cash it immediately and did not have a bank account in Florida. Because like, so the victim was like, "Why do you need this right now?" And they were like, "We need to cash it immediately and we don't got no banks here. We don't..." You know how banks be where they don't be in Florida?

• 55:09Speaker 06

  Yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 55:11Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 55:11Speaker 06

  Classically.

• 55:12Laci Mosley?

  Non- niche banks.

• 55:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So detectives learned earlier that same day, David pressured a second victim who owns a business on Spirit Lake Road in Winter Haven into paying $5,300 to pave the driveway area of their business parking lot.

• 55:29Speaker 06

  Okay, so they're still getting the 18K.

• 55:30Laci Mosley?

  They're getting closer. Just smaller, just smaller increments.

• 55:34Speaker 05

  And why is everyone's driveway in such disrepair?

• 55:37Speaker 06

  Weather?

• 55:38Laci Mosley?

  We paying taxes and they not feeling no pothole. Every time I drive over a pothole in the way, I'm like, "Where is my money going?"

• 55:45Speaker 06

  It's like, why am I bumping along?

• 55:47Speaker 05

  I will say in defense of LA, why? But there is a pothole on my street that is so, it looks like a sinkhole almost. I, it gets repaved every three weeks and then it unpaves itself every three weeks.

• 56:02Speaker 06

  Do they not let it set long enough?

• 56:04Speaker 05

  No, they do. I, it's like, it refuses to close. It refuses to be closed.

• 56:09Laci Mosley?

  This sounds like a city racket. They're like, construction workers like, "Pave it light."

• 56:13Speaker 05

  Henry Stanley runs our, uh, pothole committee.

• 56:17Speaker 13

  I might be able to shed some light here.

• 56:18Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 56:19Speaker 13

  So the difference between asphalt and concrete that we were talking about earlier, asphalt's like a cheaper version of concrete, more cost effective, but the the elements that are involved in it are like cheaper, more affordable. So that's why potholes are filled up with asphalt, because it's quicker and cheaper. So they don't have to take as much time to use to do the full concrete repave. So it looks like over time, the the pothole gets, you know, loses the asphalt, because it does, because it's cheap.

• 56:44Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 56:45Laci Mosley?

  Leave that in, the more you. So they also, these people paying these premiums for asphalt. For asphalt. They paying concrete premiums.

• 56:54Speaker 06

  Yes, they are, they are, because they don't know the difference. We all just learned.

• 56:58Laci Mosley?

  We didn't know the difference, Rich just taught us the difference. Wow. Wow. The asphalt laid at this location was already deteriorating and crumbling into gravel. No site preparation was completed, no tack coat or binder course was used, and the asphalt temperature was not keeping hot enough for a proper application, because they got it in the in the truck. Yeah. They not heating it up.

• 57:21Speaker 06

  They don't have the right.

• 57:22Laci Mosley?

  It's not on the stove. Is it, put that, put it in the koozie. That's gonna keep it warm. Yeah. We got all our asphalt in this, in this igloo. Yes.

• 57:31Speaker 06

  Traveling with the microwave, they're like, put it in for 30 seconds. Then pour it out.

• 57:38Laci Mosley?

  Yes, you gotta run to pour it out. You gotta have on some mitts, okay, because it's gonna, it's butter, it's literally butter, okay? If I can get it, it's gonna be cold.

• 57:49Laci Mosley?

  So two additional asphalt victims in the area came forward. The scammers used multiple different telephone numbers during these transactions. And according to David Menjivar, those involved in the County Asphalt and Trucking Company, LLC, stayed at various hotels in the Kissimmee area each night and did not stay in the same location, making it hard for anyone to locate representatives of the asphalt company after work had been completed. So they stayed moving. Oh, my God, this is horrible. I wonder if they ever end up staying at the famous hotel.

• 58:22Speaker 06

  Oh, the Munger Moss, they circled back.

• 58:25Laci Mosley?

  They can't go back there. She gonna mugger they mouth. Again, they're just bleeding money on all this travel. And for what? But they're going to like motels. You can get a motel for pretty cheap. But every penny counts when you're running a scam. So far, they got eighteen thousand, seven thousand, fifty-three hundred, an undisclosed amount from two other people. So they might have a, probably around like forty-five, fifty K. And if you're just staying at motels, like, they really live it up. So Raymond Walker was arrested for scheming to commit fraud, fraud, grand theft, and failure to secure workers' comp insurance. He was released after paying an eight thousand dollar bond. So I guess it was going to the bond.

• 59:08Laci Mosley?

  This guy raised the bond fund. Henry Stanley and David Minjivar were later arrested and served two months behind bars. But today, Henry is still out there, making his way from the eastern seaboard through the Midwest, preying on unsuspecting victims who don't know how asphalt paving jobs should work. Wow. Still going in the streets. Damn, crazy.

• 59:32Speaker 05

  And also, like, I, I'm looking at this picture of them in them, in their reflective vests. And this looks official to the undream night, but I also bought one of those off of.

• 59:42Laci Mosley?

  You did, for a joke. I bought them at Walmart so that we could trick people into letting us film in the street. For sure about this. Yeah. I was like, we don't have a permit for this part. Just put on this vest and hold your hand up. No one's gonna question that.

• 59:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, we need a more savvy public when it comes to reflective vests.

• 1:00:01Laci Mosley?

  We do, because if you got a reflective vest on, I'm like, oh, right this way, sir. Okay. I can't pass these cones? No. Shit, I got a cone in my car. Yeah. And I definitely did use, when I was working at Paramount, like, I stole a cone. And, because like, if I would leave for lunch or something, my parking spot would always be gone. So I was get in the back, get my cone and stick it there. Put it out. Yep, and nobody, and everybody respected the cone.

• 1:00:26Speaker 05

  Everybody, you don't not respect the cone.

• 1:00:29Laci Mosley?

  Because it takes more energy to maneuver around the cone than to leave it alone. Or to ask somebody about the cone. No, just go find another parking spot. This is mine. I put the cone here. So paving, someone knocks on your door, offering to touch up your driveway for a discount. That could be him, because he's out here.

• 1:00:49Speaker 06

  He's out here.

• 1:00:50Laci Mosley?

  So you gotta stay vigilant.

• 1:00:51Speaker 04

  And not just in Florida, not just in the Midwest.

• 1:00:53Laci Mosley?

  I'm so happy our mom will be listening.

• 1:00:56Speaker 06

  Yes, yes.

• 1:00:58Speaker 04

  Don't open the door, mom.

• 1:00:59Laci Mosley?

  Not for this. Don't have none of this repaved. So according to Reddit, I have extra asphalt, in quotes. I'll give you a good deal if you act now. This is a bit that's been known and widely used to scam for a very long time. Victims have come forward from Florida, Georgia, Indiana, and New Jersey. Better Business Bureau has asphalt pavers on their scam tracker report. And pavingprofessionals.com has a five-step guide to avoid falling into these puddle scams. Because I bet the paving professionals are like, they're taking our money. And making us look sketchy.

• 1:01:39Speaker 06

  Look at this machinery.

• 1:01:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:41Speaker 06

  You, if you're scamming.

• 1:01:43Speaker 04

  Henry does not have that.

• 1:01:44Speaker 06

  Henry doesn't have that.

• 1:01:45Laci Mosley?

  Henry got a bucket and a spoon. Yes.

• 1:01:48Speaker 06

  And he's like, here, a paintbrush.

• 1:01:50Laci Mosley?

  You know how when you make a sheet cake? And then you just spoon the icing on?

• 1:01:55Speaker 06

  That's what Henry's doing. He's not doing, that's how that reporter knew. He was like, how y'all laying pavement and you don't have one of them trucks?

• 1:02:03Laci Mosley?

  That was not parked at any of the hotels that we stayed at.

• 1:02:05Speaker 04

  Because they would have been easily spotted.

• 1:02:08Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:09Laci Mosley?

  No, he's like, no, no, no, we got it.

• 1:02:10Speaker 04

  And notice the young man doesn't even have a vest. So they bought that for nothing.

• 1:02:14Laci Mosley?

  Yep. It's not a best profession. No, it's not. We got reflective vests, buckets.

• 1:02:20Speaker 04

  And spoons.

• 1:02:21Laci Mosley?

  Spoons. And extra asphalt. And no, no, no, it's because we like to really make sure our asphalt is down clean. That's why we use a spoon. We're all about precision. Yes. Those big machines, you never know what you gonna get. That might be a butter knife. Yeah, okay? Think about it. How would you cut your butter?

• 1:02:38Speaker 06

  Right, that's how they got Shelley.

• 1:02:40Laci Mosley?

  You wouldn't get a big rig to put butter on your rolls. No. You would get a small butter knife. And you rub it. And you let it sit? Yep.

• 1:02:48Speaker 06

  Shelley said.

• 1:02:51Laci Mosley?

  Okay. Okay.

• 1:02:53Speaker 06

  Y'all know something, Henry.

• 1:02:56Laci Mosley?

  So, how to avoid an asphalt paving scam? Which, I didn't know we needed to avoid these. Cause I'm a millennial and I don't own property yet. Yeah, Lauren laughing like she doesn't. Right. Lauren's like, "Ha, ha, ha, I've been to your house." "I've literally been to your house." Lauren's like, "That was a supportive laugh." She's like, "I've literally been to your house." Me and Mariah didn't laugh. Didn't laugh? We're like, "Mm-hmm." Same. She's like, "Ha, ha, ha." Right, all of us, so homeless. What's that like? Wish I had a home. Oh, my god. Funny. So, how to avoid them? The number one most obvious sign that you're going to be scammed is that the contractor shows up at your door.

• 1:03:42Laci Mosley?

  Seems plausible. It's like, "I didn't ask for this." Right, a surprise reno? No. No one's doing that. It's like if a plumber showed up and was like, "Y'all got anything clowned in there?" And you're like, "Oh, you know what? How y'all pipes doing?" Three bathrooms. I actually, they would get me on that one. Mariah. I'll be like, "Come snake this, uh, shower for me real quick." Come snake this shower. Most, if not all, reputed contractors will not perform door-to-door sales. Be very wary of any contractor that just sews up to your door. There's no such thing as leftover asphalt. Henry. Oh, my god. That alone. That is such a horrible. It's so bad.

• 1:04:27Laci Mosley?

  But necessary bullet point. Just, just so you know, it's like, baby, come here, sit down, I need to tell you something. Hold my hand when I tell you this. There's no such thing as leftover asphalt. It doesn't exist. It must be at a very precise temperature to be compacted successfully. And there's no time to drive around trying to unload extra. Yes. Asphalt is set up and finished through a compaction process. If it's not compacted while at the optimal temperature, it will not achieve the proper densities and will lose, it will become a loose aggregate that will crumble apart and deteriorate. Asphalt is a recyclable material and is processed back into aggregation state.

• 1:05:12Laci Mosley?

  Okay, this is getting very complicated. So basically, like, the asphalt gotta be hot. If it's not, you can make it hot again. But, um, it's gotta be mixed with new asphalt. You can't just be like, "I got some leftover asphalt."

• 1:05:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:05:25Laci Mosley?

  And, and you also need, like, emulsion sand, fresh rock, all this stuff to make that new asphalt. So due to the price and temperature constraints of the material, no reputable pan company would have a substantial amount of asphalt left over. Nor would it be usable coming from another shop.

• 1:05:45Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:05:46Laci Mosley?

  So like, we don't even, companies don't just keep it in the fridge.

• 1:05:50Speaker 05

  They're like, "Let's just keep some extra in case."

• 1:05:52Speaker 06

  Cause you probably have to also think of, like, the depth of the hole, the size of the hole. And so it's very precise.

• 1:05:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:05:59Speaker 06

  That's why I'm like, Shelley paying eighteen for that small little dip.

• 1:06:04Speaker 05

  She was tripping.

• 1:06:04Speaker 06

  Oh, my god.

• 1:06:06Speaker 05

  She really takes pride in her business, though, I guess.

• 1:06:08Speaker 06

  She does.

• 1:06:08Speaker 05

  And the water runoff.

• 1:06:10Laci Mosley?

  What are other things that can be left over? I'm trying to think.

• 1:06:14Speaker 05

  Huh.

• 1:06:14Laci Mosley?

  Like, asphalt can't be left over.

• 1:06:17Speaker 05

  Well, it's like, it's like, uh... If I went to, for example, like, to get my hair braided, I wouldn't feel comfortable if my hairstylist was like, "Oh, I have this half-open bundle." That I use half on somebody else, I'll use the other, you know, half on you. I don't, I want a fresh one.

• 1:06:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I'm thinking, like, somebody's like, "Oh, I just had surgery. We got half a kidney left over."

• 1:06:37Speaker 06

  Yes, yes.

• 1:06:38Laci Mosley?

  Do you want it?

• 1:06:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:06:39Laci Mosley?

  I know you're on the list.

• 1:06:40Speaker 05

  It's still fresh.

• 1:06:41Laci Mosley?

  It's still fresh.

• 1:06:42Speaker 06

  We just got it.

• 1:06:42Laci Mosley?

  We just got it.

• 1:06:44Speaker 05

  No thank you.

• 1:06:44Laci Mosley?

  It's in the cooler.

• 1:06:45Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:06:46Laci Mosley?

  We only got half of it.

• 1:06:47Speaker 05

  Do you want it?

• 1:06:49Laci Mosley?

  Like, there's some things you can't have.

• 1:06:50Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:06:52Laci Mosley?

  I don't think you can have certain things.

• 1:06:54Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:06:55Laci Mosley?

  If there's, this is another bullet point. If there's no written and signed contract upfront before any work is done, that's a dead giveaway that you're a target of a scam and about to get robbed or get very poor quality. If they're like, "Oh, no, we don't need to sign nothing. We got the truck right out here." Like, get them spoons and them... And get the buckets.

• 1:07:14Speaker 04

  But that's interesting because I think most people would think, well, if I'm not signing, it's not a scam.

• 1:07:19Speaker 05

  Because then they can't, it's not.

• 1:07:21Speaker 04

  It's not like I put my name on something bizarre.

• 1:07:24Speaker 06

  Oh, Lord.

• 1:07:24Speaker 05

  I'm terrified that Stanley and his friends are gonna go through this bullet list and figure out a counter narrative.

• 1:07:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, yes.

• 1:07:32Speaker 05

  And now they're gonna have contracts and everything, and then they're gonna explain why their asphalt doesn't need to be mixed with your asphalt.

• 1:07:38Laci Mosley?

  It's a special asphalt.

• 1:07:40Speaker 04

  You know, in 2025.

• 1:07:41Speaker 06

  Right. We got a new mixture.

• 1:07:43Laci Mosley?

  We got AI asphalt.

• 1:07:45Speaker 04

  Yes. We got this on ChatGPT.

• 1:07:47Speaker 06

  This is 3D asphalt. We just printed it out in the truck.

• 1:07:50Laci Mosley?

  This is asphalt they don't want you to know about.

• 1:07:52Speaker 06

  No, no, they said new asphalt.

• 1:07:55Laci Mosley?

  That's why they keeping us down, that's why the prices are so high.

• 1:07:57Speaker 04

  And that's why we drive regular cars.

• 1:07:59Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:08:00Speaker 04

  Keep a low, low profile.

• 1:08:02Speaker 05

  Mariah, you just, you just hit on the last point here. Pavers driving unmarked trucks.

• 1:08:09Speaker 05

  Mariah wrote the list. Mariah's is hitting me.

• 1:08:12Speaker 04

  How much asphalt have you laid, Mariah? Be serious.

• 1:08:15Speaker 06

  I don't want to talk about it.

• 1:08:19Speaker 06

  But I do have some leftover after this.

• 1:08:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, okay, okay, you do? I do, I'mma, follow me home.

• 1:08:24Speaker 04

  Yep, I'll follow you.

• 1:08:25Laci Mosley?

  It's gotta stay high. Or they have plates or phone numbers from out of states are another good indication that this crew is traveling paving company and probably looking to scam you. So, I guess, and then the last point is they have no online reviews.

• 1:08:43Speaker 04

  Because they have no online presence.

• 1:08:46Speaker 05

  They have no online presence.

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:08:47Speaker 05

  They have no happy customers.

• 1:08:48Laci Mosley?

  Like, if I'm in California and somebody got Montana plates and they're like, "Hey, miss, uh, your driveway looking kind of wrinkly. I got some leftover asphalt from my last job."

• 1:09:02Speaker 04

  Come in.

• 1:09:02Laci Mosley?

  In Montana.

• 1:09:03Speaker 04

  Come in.

• 1:09:04Laci Mosley?

  Patrick.

• 1:09:05Speaker 04

  Go ahead and get some.

• 1:09:05Speaker 06

  Lay it down for me. You want $50,000?

• 1:09:08Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:09:09Laci Mosley?

  No, I need a cool 18, that's all.

• 1:09:11Speaker 04

  Okay, just 18.

• 1:09:12Laci Mosley?

  Okay, that's fine, that's a deal.

• 1:09:13Speaker 04

  You've been better.

• 1:09:14Laci Mosley?

  It's a steal and a deal, that's what I'm saying. Oh, I say steel man. I mean, steel for you. Yes, yes, yeah. This is so insane to me. Final thoughts on the asphalt scammer? It's crazy.

• 1:09:29Speaker 05

  I, to me, this is like the most masculine man scam. Like, it's like me and two other dudes. We're gonna go threaten to do manual labor and then walk away. It's like so half-baked and so like toxically masculine. Like, it's like, they should have, I feel like they just picked like the most Bob the Builder ass like scam. That is just so basic to me.

• 1:09:55Speaker 06

  And my thought was, you know, one of them, likely Henry, accidentally did this once. Like, he maybe worked with a contracting company where it kind of like, maybe there was a next door neighbor or something who was like, "Oh, just use the extra asphalt to do our driveway too. We'll take the money." And he was like, "Oh, if I can just do..." Like, seems like they, no, it doesn't seem like this was a planned, like, "This is exactly how I'm gonna scam." They fell into it and it doesn't seem lucrative enough to continue.

• 1:10:28Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it seems also boring.

• 1:10:30Speaker 06

  Very boring.

• 1:10:31Laci Mosley?

  Like, spice it up.

• 1:10:33Speaker 06

  For one.

• 1:10:34Speaker 05

  And also like you're having to like kind of sell people and beg them and stuff.

• 1:10:38Speaker 06

  You have to be very extroverted to do this.

• 1:10:40Speaker 05

  It's like social battery on E.

• 1:10:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, ugh.

• 1:10:43Speaker 05

  I can't.

• 1:10:44Laci Mosley?

  But I don't know if you even have to sell it. You just be like, "Look this hole you got right here. Do you want that fixed or no?"

• 1:10:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:10:50Laci Mosley?

  It's like when you get those tickets in your car. My last car, I would get these. I was so offended. It was like, "We buy junk cars." Excuse me. How you gonna insult me? Play. Against like me.

• 1:11:04Speaker 05

  Oh, my God. Negging my car.

• 1:11:06Laci Mosley?

  Negging my car. You know, it's like, he just printed out some business cards. He's like, "Whoever calls, calls."

• 1:11:12Speaker 05

  My car identifies as junk.

• 1:11:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Bring it on over here. I knew it was a scam. Yeah, I would say this is, I won't say it's a lazy scam because you gotta work real hard and be out in the sun and working with your asphalt, even finding asphalt. I don't even know how to find it.

• 1:11:30Speaker 05

  It just seems easier to just pave people's driveways.

• 1:11:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:11:34Speaker 05

  And do a good.

• 1:11:35Speaker 06

  And get paid the full price of doing the full job.

• 1:11:39Speaker 05

  Because also now that we know that the asphalt is such a mixture, you're buying so many things to even put something together.

• 1:11:46Speaker 06

  They're not. They're only buying like one part of it, I think, which is how they're getting away with it.

• 1:11:52Laci Mosley?

  They don't got the sand.

• 1:11:53Speaker 06

  They'll be like, oh, we actually have to go somewhere to get the rest of it and we'll be back tomorrow. Be right back.

• 1:11:59Laci Mosley?

  Right. They don't got the NCDOT certified asphalt. Which I knew that off the top of my head.

• 1:12:05Speaker 05

  Of course. Everyone does.

• 1:12:07Laci Mosley?

  You know, I know all about asphalt. It needs fresh rock and sand. Yes. Well, thank you all for being here.

• 1:12:17Speaker 05

  Thank you for having us.

• 1:12:19Laci Mosley?

  We always ask at the end of the show, where would you like to be found? Any socials? Any projects? All those things?

• 1:12:25Speaker 05

  Yes. People can listen to our daily radio show on Sirius XM, channel 102. It's on at 6 a.m. Pacific, 9 a.m. Eastern on Radio Andy, or on demand anytime on the Sirius XM app. And if you don't want to pay for Sirius, you can listen to our monthly podcast, Smith Sisters Live Deep Dive, which where we do deep dives and interviews and it's out in front of the paywall wherever you get podcasts. And follow us on Instagram at Smith Sisters Live.

• 1:12:49Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:12:50Speaker 06

  Love it. You can also follow my personal at Mariah Mariah Mariah, where occasionally we drop merch.

• 1:12:56Speaker 05

  We.

• 1:12:57Speaker 06

  Mariah drops merch.

• 1:12:58Speaker 05

  Another scam.

• 1:12:59Laci Mosley?

  Another scam.

• 1:13:01Speaker 06

  You heard it here first, folks. The scam artist is scamming. Shut up. She can't stop herself.

• 1:13:06Laci Mosley?

  And then Rachel on the socials.

• 1:13:08Speaker 06

  At Private Citizen Rachel, but I'm where my sisters are, so you'll find me.

• 1:13:13Laci Mosley?

  That's beautiful. As always, you all can snitch on your friends, family, and your enemies at [email protected] if you want to see the photos of these men.

• 1:13:28Laci Mosley?

  Then you can see those at Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram. If you want to chat with me, Scam Goddess Pod on Twitter. If you want to see my own personal shenanigans, D I V A L A C I D, Valacy on all platforms. All episodes of Scam Goddess are streaming now on Hulu and all episodes of Going Dutch first season are streaming now on Hulu as well. And my book, Scam Goddess, is available everywhere books are sold. Congregation, I want y'all to get out there and put your asphalt into it.

• 1:13:58Laci Mosley?

  Come on. Amen.

• 1:14:04Laci Mosley?

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