Cow Class Action The Crèmily Scam with Kyle Prue

Y'all remember Crèmily? The French style frozen yogurt that was keto approved and reportedly delicious? No? That's okay, the whole thing was a financial scam. We're joined by Krlue Prue, who teaches people how to piss men off and will soon be joining the Big Money Players family when his podcast joins the network in the fall. Together, Kyle and Laci attempt to understand why Crèmily put a pool on an MLB field, why people keep trying to order the ice cream at McDonald's, and why withholding a talent makes people believe you're more talented. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:46Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, back with a comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. One thing's for sure, we'll probably laugh at them, but never at the victims. And congregation, if you've been with us for a while or if you're new to the church, shake your neighbor's hand, say hello. Yes, but if you are a part of the congregation, I'm very what? Yes, I'm excited, I'm thrilled, I'm elated, I'm ecstatic to welcome a new guest to the show. Kyle Prue is an award-winning author, actor, and comedian. Kyle gained widespread acclaim with the viral series, "How to Piss Off Men", I love that, which has amassed hundreds of millions of views across social media.

• 3:31Laci Mosley?

  The series culminated into a handbook that debuted as an instant New York Times bestseller, as it should. In addition, Kyle Prue is the creative force behind the cult-favorite web series, Rabbit. His podcast, Get Worse, debuts on Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Club in October. Welcome, Kyle.

• 3:49Speaker 06

  Thank you, thank you for having me.

• 3:51Laci Mosley?

  Thank you for being here. It's very rare that we have a white man on the show, so you have a lot of lifting to do here.

• 3:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta represent my people well.

• 4:02Laci Mosley?

  That's a lot. I don't think I'll put that much on you. Representing white men well is...

• 4:07Speaker 06

  I gotta make up a few yards. It's been a tough couple thousand miles.

• 4:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you gonna gain some yard, gain some yards for him in the right direction. I love that.

• 4:16Speaker 06

  I'm gonna do my best.

• 4:17Laci Mosley?

  I love that. Well, Kyle, I wanted to ask you, like, what is your relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed? Have you ever run any scams? Do you know anybody who's been scammed? It could literally be anything.

• 4:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean, I have for sure been scammed and I have run some low-level scams myself. Yeah, you know, it's just sort of something that you kind of fall into, you know? It starts with one little tiny, you know, mistruth.

• 4:45Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Kyle, see, now I know you're a scammer talking about something. Your crime is something you just fall, you know, you trip and you fall into a felony.

• 4:50Speaker 06

  You fall into a little crime, you know? It's a slippery slope that's, you know, they invented that term for scammers to use to explain their actions.

• 4:59Laci Mosley?

  Now, anything specific come to minds or anything that you... Beyond the statute of limitations? We're not trying to...

• 5:05Speaker 06

  Okay, beyond the statute of limitations. This one, it wouldn't even really be, it's not even legal, it's all personal. But, um, so I went to, I went to, I went to theater school. I...

• 5:14Laci Mosley?

  Oh, which one?

• 5:15Speaker 06

  I went to the University of Michigan.

• 5:17Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that's a good one, okay, Lacey.

• 5:20Speaker 06

  I paid lots and lots and lots of money to roll on the floor for many years. And so I had ended up taking a gap year in between high school and college. And, uh, because I was going on book tour and so I was like, I should tell the people who I was going to be in class with that I'm not gonna show up and I'll see them next year, you know? And so I popped into this Facebook group for, you know, U-Mish something, something Theater and I said, "Hey, guys, I, I'm actually going on book tour, I'm gonna come next year, but, you know, I can't wait to meet you guys then." Sent it off. So the next year, I am at Michigan and I'm, I'm an acting major, but U-Mish is very, very...

• 6:01Laci Mosley?

  I'm a performance minor, but I have a business degree, yes.

• 6:03Speaker 06

  Got it, got it.

• 6:04Laci Mosley?

  I'm very aware of the theater scene there and I'm sure you were cleaning up. A straight man in, in the acting theater school?

• 6:09Speaker 06

  It was horrible, it was terrible, it was unconscionable. But here's, I feel like, uh, performance minor, business major is like the podcast degree.

• 6:20Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my God!

• 6:21Speaker 06

  It's like charisma and acumen, you know, it's all you need.

• 6:24Laci Mosley?

  Okay, that's, yeah, I did make a television show and I did write a book, so there, you know, it's fair.

• 6:28Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:29Laci Mosley?

  But it's still acting, so, but yeah, so you, you took your gap year to, like, was it to go on tour for the book promotion or...

• 6:37Speaker 06

  So I was going on tour and all that and, and, and so, um, I was in the, I was in the acting major and then, you know, U-Mish has this very, very, very, you know, sort of prestigious musical theater department.

• 6:47Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they do.

• 6:48Speaker 06

  And the MTs are just kind of different. They are sort of, they have a superhuman ability to, uh, do kind of everything.

• 6:54Laci Mosley?

  But also very quirky, strange individuals.

• 6:57Speaker 06

  Yes, indeed, indeed. Yeah, yeah, and so, uh, a little bit like halfway through freshman year, I'm out and I'm with these musical theater majors and one of them says, like, this is, this was like what was passing for conversation back then, but they were like, "Who in your, who in your class sings? Like, who's, who's, who are the really great singers?" And I'm naming a couple of people in my class and they're like, "Well, and you, of course." "I don't really sing." And I was like, "Uh, well, what do you mean?" And they were like, "Well, you were gonna be in our class, you were gonna be in the musical theater school, but then you took that gap year and now you're in the acting program." And I was like, "What are you talking about?" And they were like, "You posted on our Facebook group, you said you were gonna be in our class and then you took a gap year and then when you showed up, you were an acting major.

• 7:41Speaker 06

  So you were gonna be a musical theater major, but then you were an acting major." And what I realized is when I had posted into that Facebook group, I had accidentally posted in the musical theater Facebook group and said, "Hey, I was gonna be in your class, but now I'm taking a gap year, I'll, I'll meet you all next year." And they were like, "So you, you're like a, you, you are almost an MT yet?" And I was like, "Yeah, yeah, that's true." Uh, and so I just kind of, I was like, "Yeah, you know what? Yeah, like, this'll be kind of funny. Like, this'll be something that I'll, you know, sort of, I'll, later I'll be like, 'Oh, I was just kidding, I can't sing or dance or do any of that stuff.'" And so time passes and this sort of lie starts to get away from me in a very big way. In which, like, now people are coming up to me and being like, "I hear you have one of the most beautiful voices.

• 8:27Speaker 06

  Could you sing a little something for us?" Now, uh, Lacey, I'll tell you, I don't have a very beautiful voice, so I...

• 8:33Laci Mosley?

  You have a great speaking voice, though, so I can't imagine that it's that far.

• 8:36Speaker 06

  Something gets lost in translation, I, I'll tell you that. So people, and, and so it starts to build more and more and more and people are like, "I heard that you are sort of like a generationally talented singer." And so I had to, like, think of a thousand excuses to not sing in front of people the entire time I was at school.

• 8:56Laci Mosley?

  You constantly had polyps, you're on vocal west.

• 8:58Speaker 06

  And then it started turning into people being like, "Yeah, I heard you couldn't get back into the musical theater school, so you had to go to acting." Like, now, then it turned into this idea that like, oh, like, the second time around, I wasn't talented enough to be in the musical theater school, which, to be fair, I was never talented enough to be in the musical theater school. But the next year, I am dating this girl who's in the musical theater program and she's a year younger than me and, um, she goes to this party and people are like, "Have you ever heard your boyfriend sing?" And she's like, "No." And they're like, "He's unbelievable. He's like one of the best singers in the world." And I guess like my refusal to sing had just like, had this thing build and build and build.

• 9:42Speaker 06

  And by then I was terrified to be like, "Hey, everybody, I lied." So she is like listening to all these people tell her this and she's like, "Kyle? Like, I really don't think so, I think you're all wrong." And they're like, "No, no, like, he's the best." And so she comes over that night and she's like...

• 10:03Speaker 06

  Like, hey, like, it's weird.

• 10:04Laci Mosley?

  Babe, like, don't talk.

• 10:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was like, you never sing for me? And I was like, I knew exactly, I knew immediately what was going on. And I was like, you know, I don't.

• 10:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, if a woman asks a man to perform musical talents, there's definitely an agenda. Cause I never, my coochie ain't never been drier. Then when a man whips out a guitar, I'm like, oh, no, no, please don't do this to me. So, yeah, she wanted to know.

• 10:28Speaker 06

  He's like, more goo goo dolls. So I was just like, uh, listen, I don't really do that anymore. I was like, trying to get out of it so hard. And then she starts like bawling, crying. And I was like, wait, what the, what the, what the fuck's going on? And she was like, I can't believe that there's like this thing that I didn't know about you. And like, this is like a whole big like part of your identity, I guess. And like, it's something you felt like you had to hide from me. And like, I came off the waitlist and it's like weird that you never told me that. And I was like, listen, I was like, none of it's real. I was like, it's all fake. It's, it's, it's like one like joke that I thought was gonna pay off.

• 11:11Speaker 06

  That is now has consumed my life. And she was like, oh, thank God. Like, thank God, because I think she did not want to be with a like, quote unquote, like musical theater man. And.

• 11:28Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. Is that what she said? Cause I'm, go, tell me what she said.

• 11:31Speaker 06

  There were, there, I think there was a lot of reasons behind her relief. I, I think, I think that it was probably also to a degree that like she was, I like, like she had said, I think she was glad that there wasn't like a whole part of my identity that had been hidden from her. That like, in like.

• 11:46Laci Mosley?

  Cause she was probably feeling like, I'm, I must, he must be cheating on me. Cause who is he singing to? He's singing to these other bitches?

• 11:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Singing all around town.

• 11:55Laci Mosley?

  Right, singing all around town, but he ain't never opened that throat up for me.

• 11:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

• 12:00Laci Mosley?

  I ain't got a dough, a ray, or a me out of his ass. So what's going on?

• 12:05Speaker 06

  And so, uh, but then she told everyone, that was the end of my scam. And, uh, it was, it was weird. Like people, what people like would like come up to me like, I trusted you. And like, they were like, I, I, this, this, this matters to us. And I was like, wow, this really, it did, it was a little bit damaging to my personal stock, but, um.

• 12:22Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 12:23Speaker 06

  I know, I know.

• 12:23Laci Mosley?

  I feel like the scam a little bit here too, though, is like, Kyle, it's just the body that you were born into. Like being a charismatic white man with a full head of hair. And you just mentioned something just like, oh, yeah, musical theater. And then all of a sudden they ran with this, like, he's so charismatic, his hair is so full. He is the best singer in the world.

• 12:44Speaker 06

  They, they created this whole, this whole corporate brand identity for me as like a, as like, you know, like a performer, a singer.

• 12:53Laci Mosley?

  And you fueled it by refusing to sing, because then they were like, wow, he's so good. He won't even share his talents with us. Me personally, if people are like, oh, it's time for you to sing, I'm like, yeah. Like, I'm like, I gotta start whipping it out, cause I gotta prove myself. But you just being like, no, no, no, not right now. They're like, oh, he must be so good, cause he won't even give us a taste.

• 13:13Speaker 06

  It made it seem like I had nothing to prove. When in reality, I quite literally had nothing with which to prove myself. Uh, yeah, so, so that was sort of the scam that consumed my life for a little while.

• 13:27Laci Mosley?

  That's a bar. I kind of like that. I think all of us need to take that on a little bit more. I'm gonna stop trying to prove myself so hard. Cause you're right, if you keep it a little clandestine, then people are like, what do they have to hide? Ooh, it works the same way in dating. Like, the more, I've learned that like, there's really just bitch or whore. Like, either, like, either I gotta be a bitch or a whore. Yeah, like, and, and whore doesn't necessarily mean like a negative connotation. It doesn't mean like, even sex work, I don't think is negative, so I'm not even saying that. But like, what I mean so is like, I'm always like the nice person who's always like, look what I can do. Look, look what I can do.

• 14:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 14:02Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you need help? I'll give you help. You need money? I'll give you money. And that is not proven to be the way to bring the type of people in my life that I want. So I was like, ooh, it's time to jump over to bitch, which is like, why do you deserve my time? I'm gonna like, I'm not gonna be rude to you, but I'm also not gonna open my whole life up to you, you stranger, with that you proving that you belong here. So you kind of did the bitch version of being like, people, without trying to do it. But people being like, please sing for us. And I'm like, I don't do, I don't.

• 14:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 14:31Laci Mosley?

  That's like if I walked up to Beyonce and asked her to sing for me. She would not be like, whoa, you know, like, she's not coming in.

• 14:36Speaker 06

  They thought that I knew my worth, that they thought that I was just like sitting around knowing my worth. When in reality, I knew exactly what my worth was and it wasn't up to snuff. That's so true, though. I think like, one of the things that I think that you learn the older you get and the more like, like men you interact with, is that like, men, like they're, the real talent of the man is like, uh, is being trainable. Like being able to like, accept the dynamic. So if you like, go to a man and you're like, oh, like, I'll do this for you, I'll do this for you, I'll do this for you. Like, I'm all these things to you. They're like, great, that is the dynamic. And the dynamic is inherently like fair.

• 15:15Speaker 06

  You know, like, it's, and so if you, if you set the dynamic, you're like, what do you bring to the table? They're like, that's the dynamic. The dynamic is that like, I'm like, you know, like, you know, in more of kind of an equal, you know, flow. And so, so I think, I mean, I think it's, I think it's a valid philosophy.

• 15:35Laci Mosley?

  And under, you know, in a different body, like my brown body, my female body, my queer body, people are always assuming less of me automatically, which is crazy. Like, you know how D E I was pejorative? Like, it became a pejorative term for random black people get jobs they didn't deserve. When in actuality, we had to, not even just black people, minorities in general. But like, we had to be 10 times better to get the job. Whereas, like, you, like, you know, certain people of certain ilks could walk in like, you know, like a straight white man. And they would just assume that you had the skills or the talent and you could learn them on the job, Kyle. Whereas they're like, when I come to the job, they're like, you've been working at this job a million years, right? Like, you, you, you, you're overly qualified.

• 16:17Laci Mosley?

  So, yeah, I, I like that technique and I think a lot of us can take that on a little bit more. I definitely am going to. I have, as I've gotten a little bit older.

• 16:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I, that was one of the things is I, I had once at one point tried to explain like the D E I conversation to like an uncle of mine and I was like.

• 16:35Laci Mosley?

  Okay, shout out to you, cause that's who you need to explain it to. Cause a lot of good white men like to come talk to us about like, damn, it's really hard out here for y'all. I'm like, no, go talk to your uncle. Hell, yeah, Kyle.

• 16:44Speaker 06

  Everybody go talk to your uncle. It was hard, man. It was like, I was like, please never fucking post on Facebook ever again. But just what I was saying is, I was like, like, it's the exact same game, but they're playing on like the extreme difficulty level. You know what I mean? Like, if someone's like, they're, if someone's like, uh, play, like, playing the exact same game that you're playing and they're playing on a much harder difficulty, that, that, that means that they're probably a lot more capable and qualified than like, if you, if you were able to sort of just walk through it.

• 17:17Laci Mosley?

  Right, cause how did they get there?

• 17:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, he likes video games, so I was trying to put it, I was trying to create a frame of reference that would really work for him. I don't think it worked.

• 17:27Laci Mosley?

  I love that you came at him like a youth pastor and I mean, you did your best. You did your best.

• 17:31Speaker 06

  Really is my energy. I had a guitar. I was like, listen.

• 17:37Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I love that. Oh, goodness. Well, look, we all learned something here. I love this. And you know what? We're gonna keep in that frame. So, you know, you, you talk about how to piss off ma, men, you know, that was obviously like a huge thing. And now you have this podcast coming out, Get Worse on Big Money Players. And so I wanted to, this actually falls right into what we were talking about. But I have a listener letter here from the audience. Um, as always, snitch on your friends, your family and your enemies at [email protected]. Just make sure your scam is retired, because we don't want a what? Yes, fuck up your bag. Amen. So, um, Kyle, I need you to give me a fake name. Gender doesn't matter.

• 18:16Speaker 06

  Hmm, Carrie.

• 18:18Laci Mosley?

  Carrie, okay. I like that. Is it Carrie with a C or Carrie with a K?

• 18:23Speaker 06

  It's Carrie with a C.

• 18:24Laci Mosley?

  Ooh, like the movie with the P X plus?

• 18:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly. Like the movie with the P X plus.

• 18:30Laci Mosley?

  So Carrie says, hello, queen of all things scamery. The scam I run is simple. And though technically illegal, heavy on the technical, no one stands to lose. And the only thing the scammed are left holding is shame and the knowledge that you can't fuck with my bag. Okay, Carrie. And typically if I read a listener letter and they say the scam is ongoing, I may share it, I may not. Cause I know that you, you have a very strong TikTok acumen. Like, I'm sure you, you, like, I be on there doom scrolling and shit. My algorithm is very curated, but it's rare that I'll post. Every now and then I'll get a girl's little something. But I know you know, like, how it is when you're a little bit more involved in that.

• 19:15Laci Mosley?

  But one thing I really hate about TikTok is that people don't gatekeep enough. It's like you find out something and then you have to tell everybody. And I'm like, sometimes it's like, keep it in your group chat, cause you're actually fucking up the bag. Like, corporations are on here, the, you know, everybody's gonna start adjusting. Cause you were like, here's a new secret I learned. Like, bitch, don't tell us. Don't tell everybody.

• 19:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think, I think anytime that you can, there are some people who live their life thinking, anytime I can offer something useful, that like another person could like use or, or take, then that is like algorithm juice. And so like, I think that like, one of the things that I like learned, uh, through like writing is that like, sometimes the most important decision that you can make is to show restraint. And I think it's the same thing, like knowing when not to go viral at a certain point becomes just as important as, as knowing when to go viral. And, and I think that like a big part of like, yeah, like, you know, I mean, like, not like fucking up your entire life

• 20:16Speaker 06

  is being like, okay, yeah, like there's some stuff that I am going to keep for me or, you know, keep for me and my friends. Because, you know, like, uh, just because I can use it to be seen by a lot of people, doesn't mean that's, that's gonna be good for, for me or, or my life or my career.

• 20:36Laci Mosley?

  And, and people are so, there's just become such a desperation because of our economy and because of how hard it is to just get a regular job. That, you know, people are like, oh, I see this person go viral, like Dr. Pepper, baby. Let me, what's my Dr. Pepper, baby? Like, I'm trying to get out of the struggle. And it's like, it's not gonna work for everybody. Some of us have to be C N As, babes. Like, some of us have to, somebody's gotta do these jobs. I need an electrician. Don't come over here dancing while you working on the wiring. Please.

• 21:06Speaker 06

  Well, this is like a very famous, uh, famous, uh, like, uh, it's, it's like a tweet or something, but it's like a picture and it says like, we don't need any more influencers. We need gaffers. These shows are dark as shit.

• 21:19Laci Mosley?

  Real as fuck, okay? Cause watch, Game of Thrones, case in point.

• 21:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 21:25Laci Mosley?

  Those dothrak, you know, when they were fighting.

• 21:27Speaker 06

  All of you wanna wear big pants and hang out at forty one hundred. Now I can't see shit.

• 21:32Laci Mosley?

  I can't see shit on my TV. You know how hard it is to get a plumber? I ain't seen a crack in years. Put the crack back, okay? Why y'all wearing pants that fit and then coming in here like, when I plumb a toilet, I like them.

• 21:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:45Laci Mosley?

  I have a deal with Lowe's. Click on my TikTok. Bitch, why you making videos in there? It's not flushing.

• 21:50Speaker 06

  It's so crazy that if you were a hot guy who had a job. If you were a hot guy with a job back in the day, like, your reward was just being a hot guy and having a job. And now, if you're a hot guy with a job, people are like, you can just become a media personality overnight. Cause people are like, I can't believe a hot person would do a job. Like, people are so amazed whenever a hot person's like, oh, I do, but like, they're like, wow, this is incredible. I love this.

• 22:22Laci Mosley?

  I can't believe this. I like, I remember, um, on Love Island this past season, uh, there was this guy Bryce, who ended up winning, and he's like a beautiful hot man model, and he would talk a lot about how he would work on garbage trucks. And that was like the hottest thing for people on the internet. They were like, this sexy ass man knows how to do, like, rewire a garbage truck?

• 22:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 22:41Laci Mosley?

  He got a job?

• 22:43Speaker 06

  Yeah. In the world, which now is just.

• 22:47Laci Mosley?

  Good paying job. I think people are forgetting that a lot of utility jobs pay very well because we cannot not have them.

• 22:53Speaker 06

  I read something recently about how, uh, the most, i- if you were to pull one profession of people and just rapture them all, out of, out of the universe, wh- what would cause our society to implode the fastest? And it's garbage people. It's like, I guess, like, apparently, America can only survive like four hours without garbage people.

• 23:15Laci Mosley?

  They get paid six figures. It's a good job, and it's never going away. Trash is never going away.

• 23:20Speaker 06

  Sort of the last line of defense between us and the ends of society. You know, it's, it's crazy. It's true.

• 23:27Laci Mosley?

  That's so true, and on so many levels. Cause yes, one, we need to clear away the garbage. We need to be able to drive on our streets. But also, there's a mental health aspect. If I have to keep all my own garbage, then you know, my brain starts to get clogged. I start to feel bad about myself if there's trash bags in my kitchen. Yeah, garbage men are doing work on so many levels. We need to start giving them more love.

• 23:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 23:48Laci Mosley?

  And garbage women, and garbage, and garbage non-binary garbage icons. Yes. I agree with you. We'll get back to Carrie here.

• 23:56Speaker 06

  You can carry, of course.

• 23:58Laci Mosley?

  So Carrie said, this is technically illegal, but like, only technically, and I like that for us. So Carrie says, I started a small business three years ago, and I deal in a very unethical industry where people love to evade contract terms and skip out on the bill. That's a lot of those. And, um, she says that the bill usually runs anywhere between one thousand to forty thousand dollars per contract. Those are some big skips. A thousand dollar skip, I'm mad for sure. Forty K, I gotta come fight you. Like, I gotta pop the trunk.

• 24:30Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 24:31Laci Mosley?

  I gotta get a bat.

• 24:32Speaker 06

  I'm sending guys to your home.

• 24:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 24:37Laci Mosley?

  Cause that's enough money to split with the guys.

• 24:38Speaker 06

  Right, exactly. I'm pocketing thirty-five, and they're both taking two point five.

• 24:43Laci Mosley?

  And they'll be like, say less. You could've gave them two fifty, and they'd have been like.

• 24:46Speaker 06

  This is, this is the thing, is, is, is, help keeps getting, help keeps getting cheaper, you know?

• 24:51Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 24:52Speaker 06

  You could break legs for, for two hundred dollars.

• 24:56Laci Mosley?

  You know, the going rate for breaking a leg used to be much more expensive, and these days, I'm like, I pay to go to boxing classes, so you telling me I can whip ass and get paid?

• 25:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:07Laci Mosley?

  I'll slide, for sure.

• 25:08Speaker 06

  That's the thing about going to boxing classes for a long time. You're like, I don't know if I, if this is helping at all. I don't know if this is, if this is working at all. Like, I don't know if I could fight.

• 25:17Laci Mosley?

  I mean, you have to spar. If you wanna, if you wanna get to the level where you're really trying to whip ass.

• 25:22Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 25:22Laci Mosley?

  Me personally, I just like to get there and get out my frustration.

• 25:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 25:25Laci Mosley?

  I used to get the note a lot from, um, one of my boxing instructors, and sometimes I still get it, which was like, you know, I'll be throwing the combo, and they'll be like, why is your, like, protect your face. If you're jabbing with one hand, the other hand needs to be in front of your face. And I'll be hitting people with one face completely open, and then I realized after a while, it was my superpower. Because if, like, my taxi used to always say, like, the best way to win a fight is to not get scared, like, not be scared to get hit.

• 25:52Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 25:53Laci Mosley?

  You look like a crazy person if you don't protect your face. This person will do anything.

• 25:58Speaker 06

  I had a friend once who was like a big talker, but one thing that he said was, the trick to winning a fight is not caring what happens to you.

• 26:07Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 26:08Speaker 06

  I was like, oh my god.

• 26:10Laci Mosley?

  Isn't that, isn't that diabolical?

• 26:12Speaker 06

  That's why I'm hiring guys. You know, that's why I'm hiring guys.

• 26:17Laci Mosley?

  Right, same. I'm getting a burner phone with no paper trail. But yeah, like, that's why I don't fuck with people who have nothing to lose. If I meet somebody, I can tell they don't have nothing to lose. Oh, you are dangerous to me.

• 26:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 26:27Laci Mosley?

  Cause you'll do anything. That's a crash out, for real.

• 26:30Speaker 06

  All my enemies have families and a lot of money.

• 26:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's the only way to have an enemy, is somebody who doesn't wanna go to prison. Somebody who's like, I done a bid.

• 26:41Speaker 06

  My, my enemies have a lot of love in their life. I'll tell you that.

• 26:45Laci Mosley?

  They got a lot of love in their life. They got people who will come looking for them.

• 26:49Speaker 06

  They have people around who are like, it's not worth it, you know? That's what.

• 26:53Laci Mosley?

  I don't have no enemies who are like, oh, I'll go to jail. No, no, no.

• 26:58Laci Mosley?

  You know COs in the joint? You got, you got clout in prison? No, no, no. You got it. You can take anything you want. So Carrie says, after years of chasing money from the big man, AKA liquor companies, advertisement and marketing agencies, et cetera, I decided to see what would happen if I CC'd my lawyer, in quotes, in my demands for payment. Now, listen, I'm a thirty-two-year-old woman trying to run a small business in a world overseen by the Trumpstein administration. I hear you. So I know I don't have that law money. The idea of having a lawyer on retainer is nothing but a pipe dream to me. Right now, but let's manifest lawyer on retainer. Let's manifest it for all of us.

• 27:38Laci Mosley?

  So what Carrie says is, what I do have is a best friend who works as a legal assistant and has an email address registered to a legal office. Can she sue on my behalf? Hell no. Is she registered in my province? Hell no. Does anyone Google anything nowadays? Hell to the no. Absolutely. We are in a literacy crisis. I think, is it, it's either forty-six or fifty percent of the country reads at a sixth grade level. And people get hired all the time without checking diplomas. AI is hiring people. You know, Indeed is a mess. Everything is a mess. So you could definitely get away with this. So Carrie said, I noticed quickly that when I CC'd her and mentioned that my legal representation has been copied for transparency. Ooh, you better use that word transparency.

• 28:24Laci Mosley?

  That's a scrumptious corporate word, okay? That's right up there with circle back. Yes. So when, when she would say she was copying them for transparency, companies and spokespeople tend to move real fast. Invoices lost to the spam folder, in quotes, are all of a suddenly found instantly. And contract terms are spontaneously remembered. I have employed my legal representation, in quotes, tactic, on three separate occasions, and gotten what's rightfully owed to me each time. Meanwhile, the corporations get to sit with the fear of pending civil suits that will never be filed. And my bestie gets some drama in her inbox while she does her boring paralegal tasks.

• 29:07Laci Mosley?

  My credo has always been, do no harm, take no shit, stay scheming, and get what's rightfully yours. Carrie. Yes, Carrie. We all need a fake lawyer.

• 29:18Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 29:19Laci Mosley?

  We do. I have employed this many a time, especially when I first moved to LA. Like, it was a lot of freelance work, and there were no contracts involved. And it's so funny because people want you to work on time, but they wanna pay you late. Like, what the fuck is a net ninety? What is a net thirty? Net ninety is crazy, and I've seen them.

• 29:41Speaker 06

  It's insane.

• 29:42Laci Mosley?

  Net forty-five. What do you mean you don't have the money but you need the services? Bitch, and then they wanna call you broke. If you hit them up, you're like, hey, uh, did the job. You loved it. You sent me all this praise. Where's my praise in money form? I don't want compliments from businesses. Bitch, we're not friends. I don't need you to build my self-esteem. Build my bank account. So where's the coin? And they'll be like, oh, you need the money that bad? Like, you, you hard up? You can't wait? No, don't try to shame me. You're the poor one.

• 30:08Speaker 06

  I'm like, you don't have the money. You need ninety days to pay people? Warner Brothers?

• 30:14Laci Mosley?

  Right. Like, I wanna be able to gaslight the, gaslight the bank and be like, damn, Bank of America, you ain't got it, huh? That subprime mortgage loans, they still hurting? Oh, you gave all that money to OpenAI? Oh, y'all poor, huh?

• 30:26Speaker 06

  It's so convenient that they can take money out of my account, wickedly split with no problem.

• 30:32Laci Mosley?

  So fast.

• 30:33Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 30:34Laci Mosley?

  And that, that always kind of bumped me about refunds, too. It's like, I tap my card, swipe my card, give you cash, whatever. The transaction is bing.

• 30:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 30:43Laci Mosley?

  But then if I need a refund, they're like, okay, so three to nine business weeks.

• 30:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 30:47Laci Mosley?

  And then we'll get you the money back. What do you mean?

• 30:49Speaker 06

  He's, he's uphill on the way back.

• 30:55Laci Mosley?

  That's it itself makes no sense uphill on the way back.

• 30:59Speaker 06

  I don't understand. I, this is the thing is that people, this is, this is the issue about like, people will say to me, you don't understand computers. And I'm like, nah, you're right. You know, like I can't, like it's harder to put back. And I'm like, I don't know enough about computers to say why that wouldn't be the case, unfortunately.

• 31:15Laci Mosley?

  And that's a great scam that we've seen employed in our administration. It's very much employed in how stocks and trading and things like that work. It's like they, they put a barrier to entry with a bunch of fucking jargon in front of you to be like, you don't understand what P E means. Like you don't understand, like, you don't understand all of this jargon words that we made up as barriers to interest. So now you need me, the middle man or like, oh, you don't understand this. So we don't have to pay you. What? No.

• 31:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's why you need

• 31:45Laci Mosley?

  Pretty simple.

• 31:45Speaker 06

  Your imaginary lawyer.

• 31:48Laci Mosley?

  We all need an imaginary lawyer.

• 31:50Speaker 06

  It's, it's so, I, this is, this is actually something that I've like used a lot too. Like, I feel like throughout like my like early years in LA, just constantly like if you had issues with a landlord, just being like, hey, great. Yeah. Let me just check this with my lawyer real quick and then we'll, then we'll chat about it. I remember a few years ago, uh, my apartment flooded.

• 32:10Laci Mosley?

  Oh my goodness, sorry.

• 32:12Speaker 06

  Totally fine. They, they asked us to put a ton of stuff on our renters insurance, even though it wasn't our fault. What it was is the kid upstairs shot a BB gun into a sprinkler and caused like $2 million worth of damage, which is uh,

• 32:28Laci Mosley?

  Dennis the Menace.

• 32:29Speaker 06

  I know Dennis.

• 32:30Laci Mosley?

  Is this a kid or is this like what we call a kid when they like a, like a guy?

• 32:34Speaker 06

  Thirty-four, yeah, you know, the Counter-Strike uh kid. But no, it was uh, it, they kept asking us to put all this stuff onto our renters insurance. And I was like, I feel like the more you report to insurance, the like dicey it gets. And so they were like, okay, well, we're going to move you to, or you should go somewhere else and, and you know, your renters insurance will pay for it. But also we want you to keep paying rent and your renters insurance will pay for it. And so while we couldn't live in the building, they were asking us to pay rent. And I was like, that is so interesting. I just have to check on the legality of that with my lawyer. And they were like, don't bother. It's cool. No worries. Like, don't, don't pay.

• 33:14Laci Mosley?

  Right. They tried it.

• 33:15Speaker 06

  Right. They were like, let's just see what happens. It's like, even, even the, the implication that a lawyer is in your life is enough to make people be like, all right, nevermind.

• 33:29Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. I think even if you don't have a lawyer bestie with the, with the email. Okay. We talk about phishing emails on here all the time. I allegedly, I never said this, but you know, like, you know how they be, Amazon with an O instead, or with a zero instead of O. I don't know. Maybe it's um,

• 33:48Laci Mosley?

  Salino and Barnes, but the Barnes is like a, a at sign instead of an A.

• 33:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 33:57Laci Mosley?

  You just tag them. You just add them, copy them to the email.

• 33:59Speaker 06

  It's like, it's like the suits law firm. It's like, wait.

• 34:04Laci Mosley?

  This is a law firm from suits.

• 34:05Speaker 06

  It's like, I watched that show, you know?

• 34:07Laci Mosley?

  No one checks. No one's gonna follow up. Maybe y'all just need to have another email domain. You know, get a website, Squarespace, sponsor the show.

• 34:16Speaker 06

  Squarespace, please sponsor, please sponsor the show so we can start a fake lawyer website.

• 34:21Laci Mosley?

  But yes, the threat of any type of legality, especially when you know that you're doing something that is illegal to someone uh, as a, to a consumer is enough for most people to deter because they don't want to get tied up in court. And I also say like, if you're living or renting, you should definitely know the renters laws in your state. You should know, like, for example, one of the biggest things that people get people on in California is if you paint your walls, if you live somewhere over three years, then they can't charge you to repaint it because they have to repaint it anyway when you move out. So they can't take that from your deposit, but they love to do it because people don't know. So it's like, you gotta do a little consumer research. And if you don't want to do all that, like Kyle said, you just

• 35:06Laci Mosley?

  say that you need to consult with counsel and say it like that. When you start throwing words at people like that, it works. I've done it in a hospital. I had, cause I have a entertainment lawyer, but my entertainment lawyer is not going to do anything, like anything outside of that.

• 35:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 35:19Laci Mosley?

  But I was in a hospital and I was getting poor treatment because I'm a black woman and I was supposed to be getting some type of, I think it was like a, some type of opioid and opioids make me very, very sick. And so I had to get Zofran, which is something that's anti-nausea with it, but I had to stay ahead of the pain after surgery. Cause if you get behind it, then you're in pain for hours. And so my doctor put me on a schedule because I guess I wasn't, when I did outpatient like recovery, it wasn't working. So he put me on a schedule in the hospital. This, oh, there's such a nurse cop pipeline, like the worst people. Like not, that's not all nurses, okay? Because there's a lot of healers out there and I appreciate the nurses, especially through the shit y'all been through with COVID and everything. But you know, but y'all nurses know the ones, y'all know the bitches that y'all gotta go check on their patients

• 36:03Laci Mosley?

  because they over there pinching them or not changing their bedpan or not checking on them. You know who I'm talking about.

• 36:08Speaker 06

  It's half angels. It's half angels and half girls who beat you up in high school.

• 36:13Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 36:14Speaker 06

  Uh, and there's no way to know. Every time a nurse is born, God flips a coin.

• 36:21Laci Mosley?

  That's it. Cause, cause my favorite nurses, they drive Nissan Ultima's, they bump gangster rap coming into the hospital parking lot. And you know, they're lit. And then you have the ones who are the conservative nurses, probably also married to cops, who, who they have a god complex. And so they're seeing people in their most wicked state and they get to exert control. And I had one of those unfortunately. And so I was like, I think it's time for my medication. I'm like looking at the time. And she was like, I don't think you really need it. I think because I'm black, she was thinking I was in here jonesing for some drugs, you know, you know them drugs that black people all love so much. Like bitch, are you fucking serious? And so when she refused.

• 36:57Speaker 06

  Like you would go to surgery for drugs.

• 36:59Laci Mosley?

  Right. I'm gonna go to that link. I'm gonna.

• 37:01Speaker 06

  Drugs are everywhere now. They're everywhere.

• 37:06Laci Mosley?

  I need those Blue Cross Blue Shield drugs. It's like, uh, bleep the hospital name for me, please. Uh, but I need, I need them drugs in the hospital. No, that's a lot of great links when I could probably just go to a park, you know? So she refused and I was like, oh, well, that's okay. If you um, are refusing my healthcare, could you go ahead and write it down? And I was like, actually, don't even worry about it. I know the shift in the time that you're on right now and uh, your information. So I'm going to go ahead and just communicate that to my legal team, um, that you were refusing care and we can get into it with the hospital. She, I was like, this is discrimination and, and if that's what you choose to do, let's go there. And she was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'll give you, I'll give you your stuff. No, no, no, no, no.

• 37:46Laci Mosley?

  It changed her tone real quick, but she did fuck me over a little bit because remember I said that I, opioids make me sick? I don't think she gave me the right dose of the Zofran. So I did get pretty violently ill. I was like, this bitch, I know she did this shit on purpose.

• 38:01Speaker 06

  I once had a kind of like weird, like neurological thing. It was, so I think it was, it's what, what's called like a cluster migraine, but it manifests as a stroke. So you have stroke symptoms and I was like 23. Is the scariest thing is that you're like, oh man, like I can't read and I can't talk and my arm is numb. And so I got taken to the hospital in an ambulance and I was in, you know, the room and everything and I was like lying in bed and I was like shaking and I was like so scared. And um, there was a moment, it's very late at night and it's St. Patrick's Day. So people keep coming in and they keep being like,

• 38:41Laci Mosley?

  Oh yeah, the hospital lit on St. Patrick's.

• 38:43Speaker 06

  They just kept being like, just please tell us what you took. Like please, it's fine. It's fine. We're, we're not.

• 38:47Laci Mosley?

  Don't, we're gonna know anyway.

• 38:48Speaker 06

  I was like, I was like, it is literally just my head is exploding. And so eventually this woman comes in, it's like 2:45 AM. It's really late. And she comes up to the end of my bed and looks at my chart. And she like looks at the chart and she's like, oh my God, you had a stroke? And I was like, yeah. And she was like, how old are you? And I was like 23. And she was like, oh my God.

• 39:12Laci Mosley?

  Baby.

• 39:13Speaker 06

  And then she looked around and she went, are you scared?

• 39:19Laci Mosley?

  What the fuck?

• 39:21Speaker 06

  And I was like, oh, yeah. And she was like,

• 39:27Speaker 06

  I bet. And then she walked out and I never saw her again. And I think about that interaction, probably I've thought about it every day since, just like, just, just like,

• 39:38Laci Mosley?

  Fucking sadist.

• 39:39Speaker 06

  I was like, oh my God. Well, this is what I think about all the time. I was like, maybe like a 50% chance that was a real nurse. Like that could have been some fucking scrubs.

• 39:48Laci Mosley?

  Lady.

• 39:48Speaker 06

  Just some lady. I just, I'll never, ever forget it because it was just, she was like, I bet you're scared. And then God. And I was like,

• 39:58Laci Mosley?

  So you didn't come here to give me any care. You just came here to.

• 40:01Speaker 06

  No, just to check my shit out. I had like a friend in the room too. I've, I like, I like looked over her and she looked at me and I was like, that, that, that can't be, that can't be sanctioned.

• 40:11Laci Mosley?

  I'm glad you had a witness. So you didn't feel like I hallucinated that.

• 40:15Speaker 06

  I would have doubted that for the rest of my life had I not. I would have been like, well, that was some manifestation of a tortured mind.

• 40:21Laci Mosley?

  Right. But the fact that they were bold enough to do it in front of a witness as well. Like, are you scared?

• 40:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:27Laci Mosley?

  Should be.

• 40:28Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 40:31Laci Mosley?

  And then they just fade away. You're like, what the fuck?

• 40:33Speaker 06

  What the hell?

• 40:36Laci Mosley?

  Demons. I think you're right. God flipping a coin.

• 40:38Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:40Laci Mosley?

  Scams.

• 40:47Speaker 00

  They're everywhere. We think they're murder women.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  911 Nashville returns.

• 40:53Speaker 06

  It's a homicide detective down here.

• 40:55Speaker 02

  Three bodies on the ground.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  With emergencies of biblical proportions.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  All since swarms upon you and upon your people.

• 41:02Speaker 06

  That's one of the plagues of the Bible.

• 41:03Speaker 02

  And somebody's unleashing them on Nashville.

• 41:06Speaker 01

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• 41:12Speaker 04

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• 42:41Laci Mosley?

  Well, let's get into the episode today. Let's get into my favorite segment, Historic Hoodwinks. This is where I will regale Kyle with a famous con caper group of criminals. Maybe we love them, maybe we hate them, we'll see along the way. So today, we're going to be talking about a fraudulent Froyo brand that victimized multiple pro baseball teams. So, teams right now isn't giving individual, it's giving corporate, it's giving box ownership, but we'll see along the way. Um, I do think I like baseball players. I guess just from a, like a health standpoint, it's one of the safer sports. Because you know, football, you're like getting in car crashes the whole time. Basketball, you can make a lot of money, but then you do one wrong trip and you're out forever.

• 43:26Laci Mosley?

  Baseball players seem to have the longest longevity in like high-paid sports. But today, we're going to talk about, um, Kremly. So, Kremly, um, pronounced however I want to pronounce it because it's a French company, so maybe it's Kremly, Kremly, Kremoly. I don't know, I'll switch it up. So, Kremly, um, claimed to make healthy keto French frozen yogurt using A2 milk. Have you ever heard of A2 milk?

• 43:58Speaker 06

  A2 milk? No, I haven't.

• 44:01Laci Mosley?

  Certain breeds of cows produce more A2 proteins in their milk and other breeds produce more A1 proteins. A2 milk might cause less bloating, gas, or digestive discomfort than regular milk. A2 milk is nutritionally the same as other milk and still contains lactose. Um, but its digestive benefits are still questionable. But it's a popular way to market your milk. Like, we got milk that we won't be blowing it up at night. You won't be farting, I guess.

• 44:33Speaker 06

  It's crazy to live through all these milk technological innovations. Just they've figured out so many new, different ways.

• 44:44Laci Mosley?

  I just want to know.

• 44:45Speaker 06

  Fuck with milk.

• 44:46Laci Mosley?

  Right. I want to know who was the weirdo, though, who was like seeing cows, like baby cows, like suck on the udders? And was like, I wonder what that tastes like?

• 44:54Speaker 06

  And you say, huh?

• 44:55Laci Mosley?

  And then, and then it was like, everybody.

• 44:58Speaker 06

  Comes back to the barn, comes back to the barn. Listen, I'm gonna need you to not say anything until I'm done talking.

• 45:07Laci Mosley?

  Walk with me.

• 45:08Speaker 06

  Walk with you, walk with me, walk with me.

• 45:10Laci Mosley?

  Don't ask how I got here, just come with me to the destination.

• 45:13Speaker 06

  You know how every time we eat cookies, we're like, this is almost perfect? I've come up with a crazy idea.

• 45:22Laci Mosley?

  Like literally, like, we were eating oats and water, but what about?

• 45:26Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 45:27Laci Mosley?

  Bessie's got something for us. I think she does.

• 45:31Speaker 06

  She's finally ready to help us.

• 45:33Laci Mosley?

  Finally ready to help us. So, Kremly also said 100% of their profits were donated to ignite the power in girls globally. So, they said, we got some A2 milk. It's not going to blow you, it's not going to gas you. It's the best premium, we got that good mu-mu, okay? We go mu. But also, if you buy from us, we're gonna ignite the power in girls globally. Kyle, do you have any idea what that could mean?

• 46:05Speaker 06

  I, I, there's two sides of it. It's either we're going to educate more girls worldwide so they can get more power, or it's like X-Men experimental, like we're giving girls telekinesis stuff. It is, it is really quite vague.

• 46:30Laci Mosley?

  It's so vague that you can't quantify it. Because how could I ever be like, Kremly didn't, I haven't met any ignited girls. Like, I mean, I guess Alicia Keys was like, this girl is on fire. Kremly was like, we did that, we ignited her on fire. And that was our donation with your proceeds. What? What do you mean? I love it. I love a vague charity. Like, we don't know where the money goes and we'll never know.

• 46:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 46:58Laci Mosley?

  I mean, that's why Tom's was so good. I don't know if you remember Tom's shoes, those shoes that made everybody's feet stink. Um, but they were like, if you buy a pair of shoes, we gonna give a pair of shoes. And that's something that's quantifiable, we can go see.

• 47:10Speaker 06

  Very easy to, to sort of understand the level of your investments. You were like, got it, I get shoes, somebody else get shoes.

• 47:19Laci Mosley?

  Exactly, but ignition? What am I supposed to ask girls if they've been ignited by Kremly? How would we know?

• 47:27Speaker 06

  It sounds borderline violent.

• 47:29Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 47:30Speaker 06

  I don't think I want, I don't know.

• 47:33Laci Mosley?

  Do we want them to be ignited?

• 47:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, I don't know, I don't think so. It sounds, it sounds aggressive.

• 47:38Laci Mosley?

  And if the implication is that we need charity to ignite the girls, are the boys already on fire? Like, what?

• 47:44Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 47:45Laci Mosley?

  I want to understand. So, sports deals. The company had partnerships with many pro baseball teams, including the Angels, Diamondbacks, Red Sox, and Mets, and NBA teams like the Knicks and the Celtics. So they had some really popular, um, franchises involved in their partnerships. And like, the Knicks at the time wasn't that popping, but you know, now Knicks at five, so.

• 48:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 48:12Laci Mosley?

  In January of 2022, the brand purchased sponsor rights to Chase Field's Keystone feature, then branded it as Kremly Pool Suite. Photographs show a massive popsicle sculpture looming in the background with the company's name spelled out in black tiles at the pool's bottom, and it lit up in white on a sign above. Photographs show a massive popsicle sculpture looming in the background with the company's name spelled out in black tiles at the pool's bottom and lit up in a white on the sign above. They agreed to pay the Diamondbacks more than $2.3 million over five years for this sponsorship. So, uh, we're going to take a look at this pool suite right now.

• 48:56Laci Mosley?

  This was our experience being inside the pool suite at Chase Field for the Diamondbacks and Dodgers game. We arrived to the stadium during the second inning and the energy was insane for the biggest game of the year. If you've been to a game at Chase Field, you've probably seen this pool and it would take a whole other video to explain why it was even built. When we arrived, we got a free towel and it's basically like a regular suite where you get free food and drinks, except it's outdoors and it includes a pool and hot tub. We got into the pool right away and surprisingly, the water was almost as warm as a hot tub. You're able to bring your drink inside and it was a really awesome time, even though the view from the pool wasn't great. We come to D-backs games often and there's nothing comparable to.

• 49:32Speaker 06

  Swimming in a pool with a game happening right in front of you. Next to the suite is this really cool seating area where we got to see superstar players up close. There's also a private bathroom and shower, which we didn't get to film.

• 49:44Laci Mosley?

  Okay. I have been to baseball games. I have.

• 49:51Laci Mosley?

  This feels like. Who, who thought of this? Who was like, you know what baseball needs? A swimming pool that you can watch the game from.

• 50:01Speaker 06

  It's gluttonous. It's. I, this is the thing is we just, we thought we could improve upon. Sitting down with beer and a hot dog.

• 50:13Laci Mosley?

  To having a hot dog and a beer. In a pool.

• 50:17Speaker 06

  At a baseball game.

• 50:18Laci Mosley?

  At a baseball game. Americans are so gluttonous for entertainment. That we were like, oh, this sitting in the base, like even sitting next to the field, being next to the outfield, even like. You know, being in the dugout with the players. That's not enough of an experience for an American consumer. What if we gave them a pool to swim in?

• 50:37Speaker 06

  It's unbelievable.

• 50:38Laci Mosley?

  And we give them hot dogs. And, and, and we give them beer and we put them in a pool. Now, they said that the pool doesn't give you a great, uh, view of the game. So it's given a little influencing. Thing to me of like, cause I've, I've never gone to a baseball game and been like, yeah, I wanna get wet.

• 50:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, I, you know what would be, what would really take this experience to the next level is being wet right now. This is the thing is if I was in a pool at a baseball game and I had a little hot dog and a, and I had a, a beer. I'd probably be concerned that they were about to put me down. You know, like how when you give a dog the best day of its life, it's evidence that you're gonna kill it. Like when you're like, the dog's like, wow, like hamburger and.

• 51:20Laci Mosley?

  Right, steak.

• 51:21Speaker 06

  Really?

• 51:25Speaker 06

  This is the thing is if I was there, I'd be like, everyone's being a little bit too nice to Kyle, you know?

• 51:31Laci Mosley?

  Why are you trying to give me several good experiences at once? But also, is it a good experience to be in a pool? They said the pool was almost as warm as it was outside. Why is the pool not cold? I don't wanna be in lukewarm water, watching sweaty sports. Also, I feel like this is, there's so many liabilities here because it's a notorious thing at sporting events that people get way too drunk. They get carried out, like. If I get drunk in the pool and then is there a lifeguard at the pool? Like, is there?

• 52:00Speaker 06

  This is the thing, this is the thing too. It's like, there, there's a big thing, I think, um, where it's like. I will enjoy the experience like a hundred times as much if I know that other people are denied that experience. Like, that's like a well documented sort of psychological phenomenon. I, I read this book. Yeah, like Status and Culture where they talked about if they got a hundred people in a room and they give ten people special presents and they told those ten people, hey, the other people didn't get these presents. Their level of happiness skyrockets and if they give everybody in the room presents, people are, are barely affected by it. So I think probably if I had to guess, the, the, the appeal of being in the pool at the baseball game is you look around and you say. Nobody else is in a pool right now.

• 52:43Laci Mosley?

  Meanwhile, I'm looking at you like, why are you in a?

• 52:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, even though I don't even really wanna be in the pool, I'm looking around like, but nobody else is allowed in the pool, you know?

• 52:53Laci Mosley?

  The way my proclivities are set up, if, if someone invited me to the pool, I don't know. I was immediately intrigued. It was like, do I need to go? Get in this pool just because for the fuck of hell of it? Do I need to go pay? It's like concerts where, and I'm guilty of this. I've paid astronomical amounts to be in the pit of a Beyonce concert. And I've gone like to several iterations, like where I have friends who faint, so we get seats that are seated. But then if I'm going with people I know who can like really fuck with the crowd, you know, we're standing down there in the pit. But I would argue that the better experience is to be in a seat. Uh, at a concert, like a Beyonce concert, like at a close seat where you can still see her stand, dance and everything.

• 53:33Laci Mosley?

  Versus being in a pit crowded with people getting only certain angles while everyone else can kinda see every angle of the screen, even if they can't. See a certain vantage point. But there's something about being down there and being like, oh, Beyonce just sweated on us. Or like, you know, like I'm body to body with all these people, but it's exclusive and we had to have all these wristbands. We came through special doors. Ooh la la.

• 53:56Speaker 06

  Well, that's, that's, that's the question here is like, can you even see the baseball from the pool?

• 54:00Laci Mosley?

  He said it was a bad you. In the video, he said the video's a bit obstructed.

• 54:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 54:04Laci Mosley?

  So at that point, I'm like, if I'm in the pool, I feel like I gotta get a workout in or something. I can't really see. Baseball is long as hell anyway. So maybe that would keep me intrigued.

• 54:13Speaker 06

  Seventh inning laps.

• 54:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, just go and just. Who like Michael Phelps in that bitch, okay?

• 54:19Speaker 06

  You said, I'll take a day off.

• 54:21Laci Mosley?

  Even if I was in that pool feeling dumb as hell, you're right, that the social experience you talked about. If I was one of the ten people who got the pool gift out of the hundred in the room. Even if I was not enjoying the pool, if it was lukewarm, you know, my, I got the bub, the hot dog, which was weirdly shaped. Y'all see in the video, it was curvy and strange and, and too long. Um, even if it was giving me the bubble guts or something, I'd be in there splish splash and like, I'm having the best time of my life. Y'all ain't never been in the pool. You can't even spell pool at the baseball game. I would act like it was the best thing that I've ever experienced. So, but, but again, crimely sponsored this.

• 54:59Laci Mosley?

  And there is some irony in being like, this is a milk that, is that, are you trying to prove to me that this milk won't make me fart or poop by putting me in a pool? And giving me like, um, you know, food that definitely might upset my indigestion?

• 55:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, this is sort of like, yeah, they're, they're, they're running like a, a focus group on you. Like it's sort of a, it's a, it's a test, it's a trial.

• 55:22Laci Mosley?

  Right. They're like, look, everybody in this pool drank crimely and nobody's cramping, nobody's pooping. What? This is creative. Everybody's so creative. So photographs show this massive pool, right? We see all of this. Angels Stadium in Anaheim has similar crimely ads, including a massive electronic sign in the outfield. Crimely agreed to pay the Angels more than three point four five million dollars over five years. Including rights to an animated between innings race and in-game commercials. So they paid for the sign, they also paid for this like animation that would come up on the screen and some kind of race. I know that they'll do the like race the bases thing sometimes.

• 56:07Laci Mosley?

  So I don't know what the mascot is for crimely, but here we are. One year later, both the Angels and the Diamondbacks were suing the company for non-payment. Crimely was also sued by an upstate New York farm, an Arizona landlord and multiple former employees. So it's giving that crimely had enough money to install these, you know, decorations at the bottom of the pool. Which already existed before crimely. And then they also had enough money for the Angels to change like the signage and to get the, you know, animations going, um, for the. You know, in between innings things, but they weren't actually paying the money for the sponsorships that they had promised these teams.

• 56:50Laci Mosley?

  But these team owners agreed to this without, I've never even heard of crimely.

• 56:55Speaker 06

  I have not either.

• 56:57Laci Mosley?

  And crimely did something smart here. They kinda put these people on a, on a net, a net five year, a net three year. And we're like, oh, y'all actually wanted the money? That's crazy. But baseball teams have lawyers. They don't have to make up lawyers like you and I.

• 57:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 57:15Laci Mosley?

  Oops, no revenue.

• 57:17Speaker 06

  This is, this is the thing, there's like this thing like the, uh, uh, it's like, it's like launching a spaceship and being like. While it's in the air, we're gonna figure out how to get it down. Like, that's like a, like a true thing that I feel like NASA did at one point. They put a, they put a spaceship in the air and they were like, and we're gonna figure out how to get it down. You know what I mean? I feel like that was sort of the, the, the, the crimely sort of thing. They were like, we're gonna get all this marketing, we're gonna get all this budget. And then we're gonna make, uh, we're gonna make a product that works and we're gonna have a lot of money.

• 57:46Laci Mosley?

  And just like being paid for services, I would argue going up, the going down is the important part. Like coming down, we really want that.

• 57:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 57:56Laci Mosley?

  You know, that's a hallmark in going in the air.

• 57:58Speaker 06

  It's, it's not really kind of a full, a full cycle unless you come down.

• 58:03Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 58:06Laci Mosley?

  I feel like that could have been spirits, uh, R I P spirit, their model, because they didn't have any like real like crashes or, or things like that when they were in the air. So, yeah, maybe you gotta pay for your seatbelt, you know, um.

• 58:20Laci Mosley?

  Maybe we got one, one bottle of water per row and y'all gotta split it in these cups, but at the end of the day, you gonna land. Okay? And isn't that what you want?

• 58:30Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 58:30Laci Mosley?

  So you're absolutely right. Crimely was not landing the plane. This is you want to, you want to land? Oh, you want money? Oh, that's crazy. Okay. So. This next part is called, oops, no revenue. You know how revenue, like you need that for the company?

• 58:47Speaker 06

  I have heard that. People, people keep telling me that.

• 58:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, people keep telling me that too. They're like, if you have a business, like you gotta have some revenue. And I'm like, that's crazy. Explain that. So the sports news department of the New York Times spoke to more than twenty former crimely employees. To figure out how the company scammed the MLB teams out of millions of dollars worth of stadium ads it had no way of paying for. Since they had no revenue. So remember they said that they were going to, um, give the girls fire, uh, as, uh, you know, that they were gonna ignite them. Um, as a way of charity.

• 59:22Speaker 06

  They were going to ignite the girls.

• 59:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they were gonna ignite the girls. So what did they actually mean? We've talked about that, right? And was that even a lie or is it a lie? Yeah, we think it's a lie, guys. So since they didn't have profits to give anyone, they don't even have to follow through on their vague charitable promise. To ignite the girls of the U S. Okay, so the only person who could really answer these questions that, you know. The New York Times, uh, sports department was asking was CEO of crimely, Stephen De La Portez. And Stephen De La Portez, that doesn't sound harsh to me.

• 1:00:07Laci Mosley?

  De la

• 1:00:07Speaker 06

  De la Portis?

• 1:00:10Laci Mosley?

  It's uh, it don't sound French, but okay. So Stephen, the CEO, was hired to run Cremly by founder Kylie Schruler. So this is Kylie here. Um, she's got the blondest of hair. I know she is in the salon daily to keep those roots away.

• 1:00:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:00:30Laci Mosley?

  Cause at that age, no one's hair is that blonde. I feel like she saw a photo of herself as a, like a, like a two-year-old and she said that forever.

• 1:00:37Speaker 06

  This, this house is also sort of horrifyingly white. Like, there is, there is a white couch, white walls, like white trim, white table, and then a white porcelain statue of a little baby boy.

• 1:00:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like a little angel, like a little.

• 1:00:55Speaker 06

  Yeah. This is alarming.

• 1:00:57Laci Mosley?

  Even the photo frame that she has in the, uh, front of the photo, um, to the forefront, it's a silver, which kind of looks white with the refraction of the light on it. Photo of her family that's also in black and white. Like damn, your pictures can't even be in color. She said color is for pores.

• 1:01:14Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:01:14Laci Mosley?

  Okay?

• 1:01:15Speaker 06

  She's wearing a sort of, a, a sort of turquoise sort of top here. I feel like if she really wanted to commit, a white shirt would have really made this entire picture illegible.

• 1:01:28Laci Mosley?

  I bet you that Kylie probably had on some white and the photographer was like, girl, the white hair, the white skin, the white outfit, you're gonna fade into the couch.

• 1:01:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. This is, thank you for the picture of this couch. And they're like, no, that's the founder.

• 1:01:43Laci Mosley?

  This couch with blue eyes?

• 1:01:45Speaker 06

  It's the founder of the Cremly Corporation.

• 1:01:48Laci Mosley?

  So, yeah, but obviously she's trying to demonstrate wealth because, you know, white in some spaces, like the actual color of it, and especially in furniture and things like that, it kind of distinguishes that you live a slow enough lifestyle or your kids are sequestered enough by nannies that you don't have to worry about your white getting, you know, tarnished or, or wear and tear or stained. So I get the vibe here. So Kylie, I'm already starting to think you're a scammer just based on your home decor. Like if I was to hire an interior decorator, I was like, please make it look like I do crime, but like, like quiet luxury crime. You know, don't give me, don't give me like Scarface. Don't give me like drug dealer. Don't give me like gold and gaudy. Give me like, you know, white color.

• 1:02:32Speaker 06

  Yeah. Give me tax evasion.

• 1:02:35Laci Mosley?

  Yes, give me fed, give me federal.

• 1:02:38Speaker 06

  Give me the net ninety.

• 1:02:39Laci Mosley?

  Yes, give me that net ninety. Robbery.

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• 1:04:41Laci Mosley?

  So, um, Stephen was hired by Miss White Kylie here, um, who's a wealthy Orange County-based nonprofit executive for Global Girls Now. He was a short and stocky man in his sixties with gray slicked back hair. In most employees' first interactions with him, they said they found him charismatic and even trustworthy. Now, being in your sixties with gray slicked back hair and kind of being short and stocky is kind of giving me that, you know, that kind of like, maybe like a, a nice man at the airport who sees you struggling with your bag, like an overhead? And he like, he's not quite tall enough, so you gotta reach for it first, but on the

• 1:05:23Laci Mosley?

  way down, it's heavy and he'll, he'll put his hands under it and help you get it down. He's like, nice, you know? So he's the guy that Kylie hired. But little do people know about sweet Stephen. He had a trail of lawsuits following him around already. Also, there were no photos of him online, which I don't kind of mind. Like, uh, if I'm dating someone and they don't have an online presence, like, I mean, I need you to have like a little bit of an online presence, but like the kind of like presence where your Instagram is private and then when you add me to it, it's just like photos of landscapes or like foods you had on vacation. Like if I see a selfie from like, I'm bi, so if, if you're a girl and I see a selfie, that doesn't ring any flags for me.

• 1:06:07Laci Mosley?

  But I see too many selfies on a man's page, I'm like, what you got going on?

• 1:06:10Speaker 06

  Yeah. You need LinkedIn.

• 1:06:12Laci Mosley?

  Open that front-facing camera.

• 1:06:13Speaker 06

  LinkedIn, private Instagram is a perfect man. Is a, is a beautiful little boy.

• 1:06:19Laci Mosley?

  Private Instagram, you can even have a threads or an X, but if I go on your page, it should be nothing but retweets. You never actually post anything.

• 1:06:29Speaker 06

  You never feel the need to weigh in.

• 1:06:31Laci Mosley?

  And all you follow is news organizations, sports teams, and maybe like a random celebrity like John Cena, cause he follows everybody back.

• 1:06:41Speaker 06

  Right, yeah.

• 1:06:42Laci Mosley?

  I'll take that. So people can't find anything about him. The New York Times reporters like couldn't find anything and they're very good at finding stuff. And their employees said that they didn't have pictures of their former boss either. So even the employees, when it was corporate picture day, he wasn't in it. He was probably behind the camera like, everybody say cheese.

• 1:07:07Laci Mosley?

  As a scammer, great text.

• 1:07:09Speaker 06

  They said, man, he's the best.

• 1:07:11Laci Mosley?

  Right, he's the best. He's such a, like, he's giving dad energy, like, like, you know, just like a nerdy little dad energy. Cause I feel like if I have, find a woman who's, you know, a CEO and I can't find a picture of her online, I'm a little more suspicious. And if she's the one who's like, you know what? We're taking a corporate photo. I'll take the photo. I'm like, why you don't want to be in the photo, girl? Why you don't want to be in the photo? So journalists attempted to locate him in person at his address in Arizona. One ended up being a private mailbox at a UPS store. Another led to a house where Stephen no longer lives. The Global Girls Now Foundation, Kylie's foundation, their Southern California address also ended up being a private mailbox in a UPS store. The listed phone number for the foundation was disconnected.

• 1:07:55Laci Mosley?

  So you got a foundation, but there's no foundation of communication. All right, Kylie? So the only way to learn about Stephen was through old lawsuits that were public record. So here's some of his old lawsuits. He was sued in 2005 for accepting and reselling more than $2 million worth of goods without paying a partner their share. A ruling from a district judge said Stephen was passing invoices from his left hand to his right. Yeah, so we can understand that. And apparently nobody who was dealing with Stephen in this lawsuit had a, a fake lawyer. So in 2006, he pled guilty to a felony for concealing property during bankruptcy and was sentenced to probation for a case involved in an LLC that he managed.

• 1:08:38Laci Mosley?

  So even when he got, you know, in the court system, he was given a slap on the wrist. In 2008, he was accused of knowingly mismanaging the finances of Korn guitarist Brian Welch. Now, why is Korn in it? According to Welch's manager, in 2011, Brian filed for bankruptcy too. His manager says that Stephen had access to all of Brian's finances and racked up massive debts through various business entities and basically bankrupted this Korn, uh, artist, um, at the guitarist. Now, I feel like, I know Korn, I can't name a song off the top of my head, but if I heard one that was popular, I'd probably know it.

• 1:09:20Speaker 06

  I could not either, but he looks like he knows what he's doing.

• 1:09:24Laci Mosley?

  He also, this guitarist, Brian from Korn, he also looks like he was just very involved in guitar. Remember when I brought up earlier that if a man brings out a guitar, I'm running for the hills? Like I'm, like, it might as well be gunshots because I'm hearing the saxophone, like I'm out.

• 1:09:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:09:42Laci Mosley?

  No. Cause like people who are really, like, especially at this level, Korn is like a world famous band. Like I know that man was just strumming all day and all night. And look at those white man dreads, how long they've gone, like, no. He's not paying attention to finances. He needs somebody else to manage that.

• 1:09:56Speaker 06

  Yeah. He chose wrong, seemingly.

• 1:10:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, oh, definitely. He chose this little, short, little, cute, little cherubie uncle to manage his funds. So Madison Square Garden sued Stephen in 2016, saying he failed to pay sponsorship fees while marketing Jim Beam nuts under a company called TDG Brands. The suit was ultimately dismissed. So he beat Madison Square Garden, which is actually a huge feat. I'm also a little confused here because I guess now that we're in these trying new times where random businesses are popping up all the time, maybe larger corporations, C suites are just allowing new random brands to come in and advertise because they're

• 1:10:44Laci Mosley?

  like, oh, the times are changing, tech, big bro. Cause I'm like, typically, aren't most corporate sponsorships at this level, like brands that are already established, like Coca-Cola, Pepsi?

• 1:10:55Speaker 06

  I feel like the, the first thing you should ask yourself before putting a company on the side of your building is, have I heard of it? Have I ever heard of this company?

• 1:11:08Laci Mosley?

  Kyle, what's a legit, what's like a corporate brand that we could come up with? You think we could convince these people to slap on a billboard?

• 1:11:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, that's a, yeah, that's a good question. Yeah. Like, it should be something that says like scam, but like, it's like sort of obscured, you know?

• 1:11:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:25Speaker 06

  It's like the S-CAM, you know, and it's like a camera brand or something.

• 1:11:28Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my God, that's it, Kyle. That was brilliant. The S-CAM.

• 1:11:32Speaker 06

  Thank you. The S-CAM. The S, space, space, space, space, space, cam.

• 1:11:36Laci Mosley?

  Yes. S, space, space, space, cam. View the future. That's the, that's the, that's the tag.

• 1:11:41Speaker 06

  View the future. View the futures. I mean, I'd see that. I'd be like, go to Google. It's, yeah.

• 1:11:47Laci Mosley?

  Sponsored by S-CAM. View the future.

• 1:11:51Speaker 06

  Yeah. Yeah, we're all, it's S-CAM. We're already in Aruba. We're already gone.

• 1:11:57Laci Mosley?

  Wait, this is really good, Kyle.

• 1:11:59Speaker 06

  It's so funny. It's so funny. All these companies now, like, yeah, like all these sort of like tech startups. Cause you'll see like, you'll see like billboards if you're ever walking around New York and they'll be like, dimbo. Like, you know, like, like, like automating printers until the end of time. And you're like, what? How is this?

• 1:12:17Laci Mosley?

  Bring infinity to reality.

• 1:12:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:21Laci Mosley?

  What does that mean?

• 1:12:22Speaker 06

  Yeah. You've never seen B to B like this. I'm like, I've never seen B to B, period, dog. Yeah.

• 1:12:28Laci Mosley?

  Well, what's wrong with you? Why you ain't seen B to B?

• 1:12:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:31Laci Mosley?

  That's why you need us. So, yeah, I feel like S-CAM could definitely, we could probably own a stadium. There's Crypto Stadium. We still call it, we still call it Staples. We gonna call it what his mama called it. But Crypto Arena, you know, and that's scam. Yeah, S-CAM could definitely do it. So the lawsuit's mentioned that he used aliases such as spelling his first name, Steven, S-T-E-P-H-E-N. So he would drop the V and turn it into a PH. Mm-hmm. Or his last name as De La Portes, where he would add an extra L. Mm-hmm. So it was De La Portes, like D-E-L-A-P-O-R, but he added an extra L to it. So like, Dell Computer, okay.

• 1:13:14Speaker 06

  He was trying to get more French with it.

• 1:13:16Laci Mosley?

  Hmm. Yeah, but it was never French in the first place.

• 1:13:19Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:13:19Laci Mosley?

  But you know what? That makes sense though, because think about how many CEOs of companies, especially in America, they're selling a brand that isn't American or it is foreign or whatever. Um, it makes sense. You know, there's always a white guy at the top. So they're like, this makes sense, you know? So his name is Tony Macaroni and he runs the, um.

• 1:13:40Speaker 06

  Dior.

• 1:13:41Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:13:43Laci Mosley?

  CEO Tony Macaroni of Dior.

• 1:13:45Speaker 06

  Tony Macaroni is dressing me, I guess?

• 1:13:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no, that makes sense. So, um, or he would register his businesses under his mother's name.

• 1:13:56Laci Mosley?

  I like that as a reverse scam instead of like, you know, how some people will like put their kids on their cable bill and stuff. He was like, I'm gonna put my mom on my fake businesses.

• 1:14:04Speaker 06

  Yeah. It's a trickle up scam. It's very, it's very rare.

• 1:14:08Laci Mosley?

  Which is also a little rude to your mom because she already gave you nine months free rent in her uterus. And now you're, now you're using her name?

• 1:14:15Speaker 06

  Now she's doing nine months and.

• 1:14:18Laci Mosley?

  That's what I do, bud.

• 1:14:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:21Laci Mosley?

  So, Kremly was his latest business venture. So Kremly's crimes. Under Steven, Kremly hired employees in rapid succession, many leaving stable jobs in the food and beverage industry lured by Kremly's high salaries, future company equity, and their beautiful Scottsdale office. If this don't sound like San Francisco to me, okay? Because these AI companies, they have been running through big tech, like we got a bigger salary for you. We have like all of these things, like come over here, you're gonna get stock options, your 401k gonna be popping. So, yeah. They, and I also hate this for the people who are working real jobs and, and making great salaries to be tricked.

• 1:15:04Laci Mosley?

  So they hired Brendan Cunningham, a well-respected sports marketing professional, and they got him away from the Diamondbacks. His background helped build trust in the negotiations with the MLB teams because they were like, we know Brendan from where he previously worked. And a lot of startup companies will do this. They'll hire like established people with relationships to gain credence. So Vice President Eddie Esner left a high-ranking job at Coca-Cola. Eddie. I didn't know. You should have talked to that polar bear first, like, what were you doing? But one employee described their work as a ghost job in quotes, saying they watched YouTube clips for hours on end.

• 1:15:47Laci Mosley?

  Kremly gave that employee a raise and doubled the size of their department. At its peak, Kremly had more than 50 employees in its sales, IT, social media, and more. So people came over to Kremly and they were like, I'm not even working for real. Like, I'm just chilling and collecting a check. I wouldn't question it, but at the same time, I would be on Indeed.

• 1:16:10Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:16:11Laci Mosley?

  I'll call Coca-Cola back, like, I love y'all, like, please.

• 1:16:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Buy me back. Buy me back from this cushy job where I do nothing but watch YouTube.

• 1:16:20Laci Mosley?

  Cause you know, if it's too good to be true, it is.

• 1:16:24Speaker 06

  If you're having too much fun at your job, everybody's about to go to jail very soon. It's like a Hallmark rule.

• 1:16:32Laci Mosley?

  Yo, that's real shit. I have to, even with like podcasting, acting, writing, all, I followed my dreams. And everyone said, if you follow your dreams, you'll never work a day in your life. That is a fucking lie. Especially if you're in an entrepreneurial field, you will work every day. You will work seven days a week. But you, but you love it, so you keep coming back because.

• 1:16:56Speaker 06

  You will work in your mind when you're supposed to be doing other things.

• 1:17:00Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my goodness. You will be somewhere having the time of your life. I can't tell you how many times I've been like on vacation with my friends, throwing ass on the beach. And I'm like, also like surveying the crowd and I'm like, what is this brand? You know what? I'm gonna look this up. Let me put this in my notes app. Like, oh, this is a good episode. Or I'm talking to people and learning shit. And I'm like, wait a minute, I'm supposed to be having fun. Yeah, yeah, you'll work forever. But I love it. I love it so much. But you're right. If it's a, if it's a clock in, clock out type job, if it's the type of job where you can just move to another company that does the same exact thing.

• 1:17:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:17:36Laci Mosley?

  A little bit of it shouldn't be fun. Like, I want you to have fun. I want y'all to have ice cream socials and corporate retreats. But if it's too lit, it might not be legit.

• 1:17:45Speaker 06

  Well, the thing is, it's like, if everybody else is having as much fun as I am, we're probably going under soon. You know what I mean? Because who's, who's maximizing profits for the shareholders? It's not me. I can tell you that much.

• 1:17:59Laci Mosley?

  No, it needs to be like that SpongeBob meme where me and Patrick outside frolicking and Squidward's inside the Eiffel Tower, like looking at us all mad. Somebody has to be Squidward. If there's no Squidward, we're in trouble. We're in trouble. If there's no Mr. Krabs, we're in trouble. And that's a very millennial reference.

• 1:18:16Speaker 06

  For every personality hire, you need like a backend engineer who's just barely hanging on, you know?

• 1:18:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so stressed. You know what I mean? Like, they're, they're 24 and they're going gray. Somebody has to do the work. So, they had more than 50 employees. They had them in sales, IT, social media, and more. That wasn't enough to fill the big Scottsdale office though. So they also have infrastructure. And I think these are the great makings of a scam because if I walk into a building that looks like it's a corporate building, it's in Scottsdale. So you know, it's probably like sprawling, there's hella rock gardens and shit, you know? It's looking legit, but he's trying to, it feels like Steven was like, I need this to look like a real company. So we need, you can't walk into the office and all the cubicles are empty. We need, we need a bunch of like women in, in tight sweaters, like typing.

• 1:19:09Laci Mosley?

  We need phones ringing constantly. We need the atmosphere of office. So Sissence, a sub landlord, eventually filed a lawsuit for unpaid rent. The case was settled out of court in 2025. So Steven was paying for, wasn't paying, rather, for this corporate office space. And then eventually the corporate office people were like, where's our money? And he was like, babes, net 90, net 90 on rent.

• 1:19:38Speaker 06

  90. It seems like this guy never paid for anything. It seems like the bills kept coming and he kept turning on the shredder.

• 1:19:46Laci Mosley?

  He was allergic to bills. You know, he had an allergy.

• 1:19:50Speaker 06

  It's a real condition. It's very sad.

• 1:19:52Laci Mosley?

  I'm also allergic to bills. I get hives at the first of the month. I'm just like, I just start itching. So these are the ads, right? We're getting to the end of this. Kremly's early ads featured the so-called authentic French yogurt with the Eiffel Tower in the background. They said the company would give away 100% of its profits, remember? Now they're saying to empower girls globally, but earlier they were saying to ignite them. They claimed the yogurt was made with the help of top chefs and nutritionists using sheep's milk to keep the yogurt lactose-free and keto-friendly. So now we've expanded into the Kremly yogurt. Remember before it was the Kremly milk with the special cows that did give you gas?

• 1:20:35Laci Mosley?

  Now they're doing, um, the Kremly sheep's milk yogurt. Now I know that as someone who is lactose intolerant, goat's milk does, it doesn't make you as like irritable as cow's milk. So, okay. And we're looking at the ad here. I mean, if I saw this ad, I would, look, they got the little till day on the E, Kremly. It's Kremly. And they got the little French flag colors on top of that. Whoever their graphic designer is, I'm fucking with it.

• 1:21:03Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:21:04Laci Mosley?

  You know, like they didn't just.

• 1:21:05Speaker 06

  Looks artisanal. It's French as hell.

• 1:21:08Laci Mosley?

  It's French as fuck, okay? I'm gonna, I'm gonna take one bite and be like, huh huh, wee wee. And then I'm gonna go rob the loof, okay?

• 1:21:16Speaker 06

  Again?

• 1:21:18Laci Mosley?

  They get robbed all the time, Kyle. People, they say get robbed. That's part of their ministry.

• 1:21:22Speaker 06

  Yeah. That's their, that's their PR team is setting that up.

• 1:21:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, robbery, yeah. We need another robbery, y'all, so we can get people up in here. Yes, that's what they do. So, early on, employees traveled to New York to pitch Madison Square Garden and they closed the deal. Apparently, no one remembered the 2016 Madison Square Garden lawsuit because remember Steven's been changing his name? He got his mom on the LLC. So they don't remember, now that he's got a new brand, it doesn't even feel familiar. And this brand looks sexy. If, if Kremly was like, we're gonna sponsor Scam Goddess, I'd be like, hmm, huh huh.

• 1:21:57Laci Mosley?

  Je m'appelle Assi. And I love Cremly. Yeah, j'adore Cremly.

• 1:22:03Speaker 06

  J'adore Cremly.

• 1:22:04Laci Mosley?

  J'adore Cremly. And my, my first name is French, so you know, I feel like I could be up in here. So, to be fair, Cremly did experiment with frozen yogurt recipes and even landed on one that reportedly tasted pretty good. But it was impossible to scale. So maybe they were just sending out like packaging, like individually in dry ice, but they're just whipping it up in the kitchen like it's stir fry, but it was not scalable. It's not in a retail store. They don't have a factory. The few places where they set up retail stands to actually sell the yogurt, like in sports stadiums, there would often be nothing to sell. Which Kyle, to bring it back to your beautiful soundboard, you know, bird voice.

• 1:22:45Laci Mosley?

  This would still work on me because you have this reputation of being this, you know, who am I thinking of? Andre Botticelli, Andre Botticelli.

• 1:22:57Laci Mosley?

  We got there. So you know, when you were back, when you were Andre Botticelli and you were like, no, no, no, use my pipes. Cremly not having anything to sell to me gives like, damn, Cremly's so good that it sold out by the time I got to the stand.

• 1:23:11Speaker 06

  I have never once been able to get my hands on Cremly because I'm not good enough for it.

• 1:23:15Laci Mosley?

  I'm not good enough.

• 1:23:16Speaker 06

  I don't deserve Cremly. I like that.

• 1:23:19Laci Mosley?

  And as someone who I know has been reached out for many brand partnerships, you have a significant following. Um, and rightfully so. I like your content. Um, but like, I could understand like having a front-facing image and then not having anything to sell because the, the exclusivity of it all is what it is. It's like when they used to do those PR boxes and it would be like those random big red boots or things that were never for sale. They were just marketing campaigns. So you could never buy it.

• 1:23:47Speaker 06

  There was like a thing, like the guy who took over, uh, at Hydro Flask was like, just start making fewer bottles. Like, and then they just became like this, like big collector, like this collector obsession. And it's like their water bottles. Like he literally just like applied like sneaker dynamics. Yeah. And like people were like, well, what does it say about me that I can't get the water bottle I want?

• 1:24:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, scarcity dynamics. I mean, Hermes does it too. Like even if you have the money for the Kelly, you know, they might be like, oh, if you're not famous or you're not, you have to get on a waiting list or, you know, diamonds do it as well. There's so many shiny rocks in the world, but De Beers knows how to hold on to them bitches. So you're thirsty for them.

• 1:24:25Speaker 06

  I'm still on the waitlist for Cremly.

• 1:24:27Laci Mosley?

  I am too.

• 1:24:28Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:24:29Laci Mosley?

  And I'm, and I'm a brand ambassador for Cremly.

• 1:24:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They send you PR boxes and they're totally empty.

• 1:24:36Laci Mosley?

  They're totally empty, but I unbox them. But then when I'm unboxing it, I open it and there's just a light shining on my face from the box. I'm like, oh guys, I wish I could show you what's inside of here, but they told me I signed an NDA. But if you want to know, buy your own box of Cremly and unbox it yourself. We can keep that going. That'd be a great influencer scam, actually.

• 1:24:56Speaker 06

  It's to re-revive Cremly.

• 1:24:59Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Or S-CAM. And we just send people to S-CAM. And they open the box, we just put one big ring light in it that turns on when you open it. And people are like, oh, oh my gosh, guys. They do a little, oh my gosh, you're never gonna, people are always asking me, you know, and yeah, we could do that. So wrapping this up, the farm lawsuit. Oh, Stephen, these lawsuits. So in 2022, upstate New York-based Ronnie Brook Farms entered into a five-year partnership to produce.

• 1:25:27Speaker 06

  The cows are suing him.

• 1:25:29Laci Mosley?

  The cows are suing him.

• 1:25:31Speaker 06

  Class action.

• 1:25:33Laci Mosley?

  The, the, the cow class action is crazy.

• 1:25:39Laci Mosley?

  Okay, they're coming in with neck braces on their udders. Like, you don't know what we've been through. You do not know what we've been through. So they had a five-year partnership to produce Cremly products. Cremly promised to farm a minimum of forty million dollars in sales by the final year end of the deal. It seems like Stephen almost was trying to create a real product. They had a sample. They have now enlisted a farm. Um, but by late 2023, the payments stopped, threatening the farm's entire business. So one, um, oh McDonald baby, why were you putting all your eggs in the Cremly basket?

• 1:26:20Laci Mosley?

  If they can bankrupt you, you are not diversified enough in, in your sales of, of the udder. So Ronnie Brook sued Cremly after it fell a hundred ninety-six thousand dollars behind on payments. I like that Ronnie Brook got in there early because Cremly said forty million by the end of the deal. And when a hundred ninety-six thousand didn't show up, they didn't just keep believing. They went straight to the court.

• 1:26:44Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:26:45Laci Mosley?

  The Angels and Diamondbacks have also sued Cremly for failing to pay for the advertising the teams provided at their stadiums. What's funny to me is like, sometimes you gotta cut your loss because it's obvious that Cremly don't have no coin. So y'all are probably gonna pay more in lawyer's fees than you're gonna recoup at this point. You might have to just take a L on the Cremly. So sports lawsuits. Cremly owes the Angels four hundred thousand dollars and the Diamondbacks are out three hundred fifty-eight thousand dollars. I also want to say that this money is, it's imaginary money. Because unless you paid for the signage and the installment and stuff yourself,

• 1:27:25Laci Mosley?

  basically what you're suing for is loss that you would have recouped from someone that was a legitimate business. So technically you didn't give Cremly any money. You gave them the opportunity and they were supposed to give you money for that opportunity. It's like if I go do a, you know, acting job or whatever and they're like, oh, actually we're not gonna pay you. It's like, my services are important and expensive. And yes, I could have been doing something somewhere else and it's valuable for sure. But I can't exactly say I gave you a, a good or a service. Well, I guess I gave you a service. You know, why am I trying to talk myself out of this?

• 1:28:02Speaker 06

  You're trying to take Cremly's side because you're such a big fan.

• 1:28:07Laci Mosley?

  I feel like Simone Biles right now, the mental gymnastics I just tried to go through. Oh, it's not working. I got the twisty.

• 1:28:14Speaker 06

  You said Cremly innocent.

• 1:28:18Laci Mosley?

  Free my, free my homie Cremly. Free him, free him.

• 1:28:22Speaker 06

  Free Cremly.

• 1:28:24Laci Mosley?

  So the lawsuits also say that Cremly was attempting to pass off third-party ice cream brands as their own. Not sure I took Haag and Da's logo off and put on the Cremly. One former marketing employee said that he was told to create Cremly labels to place on generic ice cream. The employee said it was just ice cream and they were selling that it was authentic French frozen yogurt that was also keto. And nowadays in, in, you know, our fascist state, we all know we really can't trust a label or a logo. But I, if I see keto ice cream, I'm not taking it to the lab. I'm eating it and feeling good.

• 1:29:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:29:04Laci Mosley?

  You know what I mean? I'm like, uh, I'm in ketosis in my mind.

• 1:29:08Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:29:09Laci Mosley?

  So in 2022, an email from Cunningham to the Angels said that none of the soft-serve machines are working properly. Not sure I pulled a McDonald's.

• 1:29:19Laci Mosley?

  And, and, and McDonald's workers have come out. Did you know this? They come out and they said that.

• 1:29:23Speaker 06

  It's never broken. It's, we just don't, we just fucking hate doing it.

• 1:29:26Laci Mosley?

  They said it's a bitch to clean, so.

• 1:29:28Speaker 06

  It's so, because if someone, if, if I said, can I have an ice cream? And someone said, no, it's a bitch to clean. I'd say, okay. I, I'd be like, I get that. That's fine.

• 1:29:36Laci Mosley?

  You're a sweetheart. Me, if you say it's a bitch to clean, I'd be like, well, I guess you're gonna be cleaning the night.

• 1:29:43Speaker 06

  Someone's paying you to clean it because I'm having ice cream.

• 1:29:46Laci Mosley?

  Because I'm having ice cream and I'm also gonna watch you make it because I know you mad. So don't try to spit in it.

• 1:29:51Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:29:53Laci Mosley?

  So, um, when there was a product to sell, it was so thick, it often broke the ballpark machines. So if they had a machine to put the, I was gonna say splooge, that's terrible, the, the, the gunk in there to freeze it. It would break the machines because basically they're putting cement in the shit because they don't know how ice cream works, because they don't know how milk works. They don't know how any of this works. So we have a whistleblower. And typically sometimes I'll call these people haters. It depends on the scenario.

• 1:30:22Speaker 06

  Depends on the scenario.

• 1:30:24Laci Mosley?

  But also I say this, and I want to shout out if, I know you're listening, um, one of my fans who came to the show. Um, and she brought me some mushrooms. You're cool as fuck. Um, this was in San Francisco, but she told me that, I always say on this podcast, if you are a natural born hater, just channel that hate into a hater profession. So if you're a hater, maybe get into like towing companies or, you know, get into, um, accounting. She was like, I'm actually in school right now to get my accounting major because I'm a pocket watcher. So I want to be in people's finances. I want to audit people. And I was like, I love that. Because even though it is a hater job and I might be mad at if you're auditing me, at the end of the day, it's a necessary job. We wouldn't function without haters.

• 1:31:08Laci Mosley?

  Everybody be having too good of a time, like you said, Kyle, and then we're all going under. We need the haters.

• 1:31:13Speaker 06

  We need a little acid. We need just a little acid in our society, you know, every dish. Just a little hate.

• 1:31:19Laci Mosley?

  It brightens it. It brightens up the dish.

• 1:31:21Speaker 06

  Just a little bit. I'm like, I understand now.

• 1:31:23Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So by July 2023, the lack of revenue, remember oops, no revenue, resulted in major layoffs. A whistleblower started sending mass emails to company employees from anonymous accounts. In addition to including embarrassing allegations about Cremly executives, the whistleblower said they wanted to expose the reason for the layoffs, tying them to Stephen's record of fraud. So somebody got Stephen's real name and then they went in an anonymous email and started gathering information. And that's what this whole show is about. Gathering information and sharing it with one another. That's how we keep each other safe. So I like this hater a lot. Au revoir, Cremly. This is the end here.

• 1:32:05Laci Mosley?

  Cremly is now dissolved, leaving many former employees searching for new jobs. They were poached from high-end jobs. I know, I know homeboy was calling Coca-Cola back like, please.

• 1:32:18Speaker 06

  Listen, listen.

• 1:32:20Laci Mosley?

  I know somebody was calling like Dr. Pepper, baby.

• 1:32:26Laci Mosley?

  Hire me back, do, do, do. But so it's dissolved and it left all these people unemployed. They abandoned the Scottsdale office and left everything behind. Look at how they left this behind. It looks like they were running from the feds. There's boxes everywhere. The, did they trash it when they left it behind? I feel like you could have just walked out.

• 1:32:47Speaker 06

  There's like a tipped over table that looks like it's been like set on fire and demolished.

• 1:32:53Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I'm sure the people who own this office space were like, what the hell? But it's given a feds came and you flipped the table over and ran for the exit.

• 1:33:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:02Laci Mosley?

  That one Dave Chappelle meme where he's playing George Bush and he's like, ah.

• 1:33:07Speaker 06

  Tips the water over and.

• 1:33:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, tip the water over and just run. That's what they did. Multiple employees said that they were never technically terminated, only furloughed. And as a result, never received severance. Oh, oh, that's a mean lick. People have families, people, you know, they need their money. Meanwhile, Stephen, what do you think Stephen did? This is the last point in this episode. What do you think Stephen did?

• 1:33:31Speaker 06

  I think Stephen drove Thelma and Louise's style off a cliff in his car.

• 1:33:36Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Kyle.

• 1:33:37Speaker 06

  Is that true?

• 1:33:39Laci Mosley?

  Stephen is what I call a serial entrepreneur.

• 1:33:42Speaker 06

  Oh, my God. I thought you were gonna say he, he, he works in the Trump administration now he's there.

• 1:33:46Laci Mosley?

  Right, probably.

• 1:33:47Speaker 06

  He's the head of ad, advertising for the White House.

• 1:33:50Laci Mosley?

  Stephen became the new CEO for Clean Bottling Co. And entered an agreement with Alkaline 88 in late 2023 to produce products for the brand. A financing company, separate, like a separate bottling company and an employee are already suing Alkaline 88. Stephen said, rinse, repeat.

• 1:34:14Speaker 06

  He said, listen, players gotta play. I just, you know, he's a, he's a dog, man. He, he's, it's his nature.

• 1:34:23Laci Mosley?

  And you know what? Maybe it's, I feel like Stephen's charisma, even though I haven't seen his face. Eh, his, it's, his crimes charisma has jumped through the phone for me. And I understand how he's not in prison.

• 1:34:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. The fact that he scams Madison Square Garden and then he was like, I got a new, I got a new company. Can I come back? And they were like, yeah, you little, you little scamp, we love you.

• 1:34:48Laci Mosley?

  And maybe they never saw his face either.

• 1:34:51Speaker 06

  Maybe, maybe not.

• 1:34:52Laci Mosley?

  He's not online, he's not showing his face, he's not in the pictures. So maybe they were having Zoom calls and his camera was always off.

• 1:34:58Speaker 06

  He's sort of like a faceless entity. He's like a, he's like a, he's like a scam assassin. He's, he's in a scam. And like, he just sort of like appears and disappears after the job is done.

• 1:35:09Laci Mosley?

  Right, he gets his money and he disappears.

• 1:35:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:35:12Laci Mosley?

  Oh, man, he's not a good guy because a lot of people are unemployed and they didn't get paid and they didn't get severance and.

• 1:35:18Speaker 06

  And the greatest crime is that so many people who were in ketosis became out of ketosis. Or even worse, a lot of people who are lactose intolerant.

• 1:35:29Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, they were on the toilet. Oh, no.

• 1:35:32Speaker 06

  They, it, something happened.

• 1:35:35Laci Mosley?

  How much gas did he induce on people?

• 1:35:37Speaker 06

  He's a supervillain is what he is.

• 1:35:40Laci Mosley?

  He is, wow. Well, final thoughts from you, Kyle. What do you think about this scam? Do you love it? Do you hate it? Is it, or you could be somewhere in between, you know? Life is about nuance.

• 1:35:50Speaker 06

  I'm conflicted, I'm conflicted because a part of me knows it's not real, but I still feel like I wish I had Kremlinly because so few people got to have it. And a part of me is, yeah, a part of me is like, you know, this guy sucks. This guy, you know, is, is, is terrible. I think that, I do think the greatest crime is, is that against the lactose intolerance. This is a, yeah, that, that's a community that's been through quite a bit. And everywhere they go, people make fun of them. And I think that those are the people who I feel the worst for. And I think that they will have their retribution on, on Stephen, uh, whether on this earth or, or, or in, in heaven or hell.

• 1:36:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they have to. I hope it's real gassy in hell for Stephen because.

• 1:36:37Speaker 06

  It's, it's gonna be, it's gonna be horrible.

• 1:36:40Laci Mosley?

  The lactose intolerant, some of the strongest soldiers, they literally have to walk around with them fart pills, lactate.

• 1:36:45Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:36:46Laci Mosley?

  Imagine being at a nice restaurant and you're like, hold on real quick.

• 1:36:48Speaker 06

  Hold on, I'm so sorry, I have to take my little fart.

• 1:36:51Laci Mosley?

  There's butter in that?

• 1:36:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. It's a, it's, it's a, it's a, it's an exploited class of people and it's, it's, it's quite a problem.

• 1:37:00Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I agree with you. I agree with everything that you just said. Uh, Kyle, Prue, thank you so much for being on the show today. What a fricking delight you are.

• 1:37:10Speaker 06

  Thank you for having me. I hate such a ball.

• 1:37:13Laci Mosley?

  I'm glad. We always ask at the end of our show, where would you like to be found? Where can people find you? Upcoming projects, your book, everything.

• 1:37:20Speaker 06

  Yes, yes, yes, yes. You can find me on all socials at Kyle Prue and in October, listen to the Get Worse Podcast. Uh, it'll be wherever, wherever you get those, wherever you find them, that's where we'll be.

• 1:37:32Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and as always, uh, snitch on your friends and family at [email protected]. Carrie, thank you for giving us all a frank lawyer. Y'all know I love an abugado, I'm in there, yes. Um, and then you can get my book, Scam Goddess, wherever books are sold. If you want to listen to me narrate it, the audiobook is wherever books go in your ears, you can get that too. Watch Scam Goddess, the first season on Hulu, it's all out. Um, or any other TV shows or movies I'm in. Support a black woman today. And if you want to really support, get on Apple, give us five stars, give us a great review. That is a free way in this economy for you to support the show and it is greatly appreciated. Uh, congregation, I want y'all to get out there and say, scheming?

• 1:38:14Laci Mosley?

  But like scheme, like instead of like S E H E M E, I want you to spell it like cream in the middle. Cause we, we, we're going to all, we all selling that cream, okay? Cash rules everything around me, cream, get the Kremlinly, dollar, dollar bill, y'all. All right, we're out.

• 1:38:34Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess is an iHeart Media and Big Money Players production. The show is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, the SVP of West Coast Productions, Jack O'Brien, Vice President of Programming, Miles Gray, and Director of Programming, Lindsay Hoffman, oversee production. Our executive producer is Joelle Monique. Our senior producer is Bee Haskins. Ina Burke is SVP of Content with additional services provided by Mark Canton, Dylan Unger, and the team at Hot Dog Sandwich. Our editor is engineer Justin Connor. Our theme music is composed by me, Lacey Mosley. Cover on photo is Robin Von Swank. You can follow the show at scamgodistpod on Instagram, TikTok.

• 1:39:14Laci Mosley?

  If you've been scammed, pulled a scam or saw a scam, send us an email at [email protected] to tell us all about it. Don't forget to like and subscribe and tell a friend.

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