Cornell Case Reopened, Tel Aviv Plane Attack & Jobs Report Update | PBD Podcast #866

Patrick Bet-David and the Home Team break down the alleged cockpit attack aboard a Tel Aviv-bound flight, the reopening of the Cornell University rape investigation, and the latest developments ahead of the 2026 midterms. Plus, Kalshi’s explosive growth, rising everyday costs, China’s new AI Cold War, Iran sanctions, AI disruption, Diddy at Fort Dix, and more. ------- 👞 Get the NEW Billionaire Suede Loafer: https://bit.ly/4ym5oRA 👕 SHOP THE ICON COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/3TuUU3x 👞 GET THE FLB1's: https://bit.ly/4mC4uf6 Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 🇰 KALSHI: http://kalshi.com/pbd SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @BetDavidConsulting @vtgenz @ValuetainmentComedy ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides

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  The handshake is better than anything I ever signs, right here.

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  You are a one of one? My son's right there.

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  I don't think I've ever said this before.

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  Like, inmate survives execution. What a story, by the way. Right. We're last minute preparing all the stories. Tom, so you're talking about Diddy because I don't even want to get into Don't even get into the name of the place. Diddy party many, many years ago. I think it's cool where he's staying. Yeah, and but obviously some interesting stories to cover here.

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  MLB, this guy, pine tar, Sonny Gray, and then you got the other story, Peyton, Toley. Phenomenal story. You're so pretty. Like, we have to play that for you to know how phenomenal the story that is. But Major League Baseball, apparently during the playoffs, there's a thing called playoffs, and they're all fighting for this thing called the World Series. Yep. And there's this one company in the Major League Baseball that spends billions of dollars that is causing a potential strike to come around the corner named Dodgers, I think is what they call them. And they're going to be playing the Braves, right? The Yankees will be playing. It's all our fault. The Yankees are playing. The Yankees are playing. Who the Yankees playing? The Tampa Bay. Yankees are going to Tampa Bay. This will be the series of the playoffs right now. It's a big series. Chicago White Sox against Cleveland, I believe. Correct.

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  And then the other one is San Diego is going against. Milwaukee. Milwaukee. A hot San Diego going up to Milwaukee with all that talent. Who do you not want to face? Milwaukee or who do you, San Diego? Who do you not want to face? Um, you know what? A hot San Diego team is very hard to face. Scary, yeah. But they're thin in their pitching. Physically? No, they're thin in pitching. Yeah. And so I would take them over Milwaukee. Milwaukee's got more talent. Okay, all right. So then we have jobs. Never won a World Series. Oh, wow, that's pretty, even with Robin Yount and all those guys. They've never won a World Series. And one other thing, Dodgers swept them in the NLCS last year. So let's, let's. They got a chip. I got it. So jobs report, we'll get into, Vinny, when you have the numbers ready, just give it to us on what's going on with the jobs report. It's generating that right. What is the story about this pilot?

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  14,000 feet drops, nosedive in 30 seconds with a guy based on a TV show he watched, he got in there and saved the folks and this is almost like, and then all of a sudden he gets off, he goes, BBC and him, people are saying this was a setup to get sympathy and sympathize. This is not a real thing. It's on the TV show. It was a show. That has really happened and CNN did a simulate, you know, like, hey, this is kind of what it would look like. I don't know if we have the video or not. Yes, they have, they have, we'll have the pilot. And then there's this other, the Cornell rape case that came up, which is very weird. First of all, so at first, this girl allegedly, well, not allegedly, she allegedly snorted cocaine off of a guy's Ketamine. Ketamine off of a guy's dangling. Yes. Right? Sure, it was, but she was.

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  It was a bump. It was a bump. It was quick. So she gets this. Nothing to see here. Ketamine. And then she texts one of the guys that she had hooked up with, with two other guys. And then she texts the guy and says, hey, I really enjoyed it. Then, a few months later, she realizes she can no longer be invited back to the parties because she was a, you know what? Labeled. Yeah, and then she then decides to go out there and say she was raped. And the story's a massive story. All these guys are getting caught up. It reminds me of the allegations, Tom, in the past when, was it Pence? I don't know which one it was. It was the, the, the players that were stuck in this rape allegation, athletes that ruined their careers. You're talking about the Duke Lacrosse case. The Duke Lacrosse. With the crooked district attorney.

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  Exactly. It reminds me that they're trying to just throw these guys under the bus and so we'll go into that case, definitely. Many people wrote checks to the Duke Lacrosse player. Well, listen, and then we have the other story, which is kind of weird. There's, uh, Krista Pike, okay, P-I-K-E, Pike, in Tennessee. She's being executed because she's on death penalty. First time they fail, second time they fail. Now people are saying, wait a minute, what's going to happen with this girl? Are they going to be able to do it again? And then this has happened, and second time they've had a failed execution in the same year, in the same state. Tennessee. They're horrible at killing, you know, people and now people are sympathizing and saying, my God, why? You know, this, this poor girl, if you're going to kill her, don't, don't kill her like this, like, kill her.

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  But then they forget, Vinny's telling me the story of how her and her boyfriend, she had a problem with this other girl. They go take her out with a rock, apparently they, they hit the head. And then she keeps a piece of the girl's skull and brags about it to her friends. These are the types of friends you don't want in life, Adam. True advice. Things like these, Pat. Yeah, so, so that's now a story. We'll get into it. Some are saying, hey, we got to bring back, you know, the, the, what do you call it? The, the, the. Electric chair. Electric chair. And this is all happening during the year where the governors are debating to become the governor because it's like open season right now. So it's become a topic of discussion. We'll talk about, uh, uh, that and then, um, heating oil. If you're in East Coast.

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  If you're in East Coast, you know, Tom was talking about this. Tom's been whispering to people saying, hey, even here, every time we turn on the heater, it says, turn it off. We got to save it for, you know, winter's coming. But all jokes aside, you know, apparently it is so cold in the East Coast that even the starting pitcher for the Boston Red Sox had to use pine tar. Yeah. Because the ball was so cold that he had to use pine tar Yeah. to try to beat the Yankees to kind of be able to have a little bit more velocity, which, you know, some people that, that play in physical. Slider spin. Yeah, slider spin. And he had it that night. But the reality of it is, if this thing goes in the direction that it does, that, that whole statement of winter is coming, it could be coming to certain states. Oh, yeah.

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  And when it does, it could be problematic. We'll cover that. So I know we talked about a lot of diesel. We talked about gasoline. But this is a completely different conversation. We'll have that as well. And then there's this actress that we just have to play this video for you. We don't want to do it, you know? There's this actress that says, I wish my son was, she, she's saying that his son was, her son was gay. And she was disappointed that her son didn't want to, and you just have to watch this video. What a disappointing son. You would think if this is an act or not, you know, this girl right here, I don't, what's her name, by the way? Cameron Menheim? Nobody knows. Yeah, so anyways, we'll watch this as well. Maybe you agree, maybe you don't agree.

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  And then we got a couple other stories we'll get into outside of that. There's a story about childless adults are spending more money on toys than parents. Let me say that one more time. Childless adults, these are people that don't have kids, are spending more money for toys for themselves. Not adult toys, like you go to, you know, you know, XXX toy stores and you got certain toys. Not, not handcuff stuff like that. We're talking about Toys R Us type of toys. So childless people that don't want to have kids, they want to buy toys. So you know who's making a comeback? Toys R Us is making a comeback. Just for these guys because they want to buy toys. You didn't know that? They're making a comeback and, and, uh, and then MLB rises for attendance four years straight

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  to 71.75 million, according to ABC News. Exciting stuff that's going on there. And the Astros. We'll cover these sports stories at the end for some of you guys. I want to hear this. The Astros had 7,000 empty seats in a playoff game. Playoff? Playoff! Nine games at home, they've lost, and the fans are furious booing them. They barely made the playoffs with 81 and 81. Best record, and they were 500 after 162 games, and fans are pissed off. We'll cover that. Should be. They should be. Yeah, with that being said, uh, we got a special announcement for you. If you notice why I'm wearing the jacket here, this beautiful jacket that on the back it says, Faith

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  over fear. I want my friend to my left, your right, Vincent O'Shannon, to tell you about this jacket. Go for it.

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  So guys, we, we had this jacket for insiders only at the Vault. And they were sold, I think they sold in, in two days.

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  I called you. I'm like, Vinny, let's go have lunch. You're like, Pat, I can't. Everybody wants this jacket.

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  Everybody was buying this jacket. So I want to let you guys know, the front of it has our crest. We have the, uh, the lion crest here as well. And on the back, guys, like, our hat say, Faith over fear. And this is kind of small. This is letting people know right off the jump. Faith over fear is on the back.

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  That's sick.

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  Is that ridiculous? With Hebrews 11:1 on the back, the inside of the jacket? It has all of our, all of our, uh,

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  BT crest.

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  I'm telling you right now, how warm is it? We're talking about winter. Be, be real. It's freaking warm in this thing.

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  I love it.

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  So guys, and everybody was asking, so, and I'm telling you guys right now, limited supply, we only have a hundred.

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  Yep.

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  Hundred, and they're gonna go like that.

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  What is, a guy came up to you, what did he, an atheist?

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  I'm, I'm, I'm outside, Adam's inside the store talking to people, taking photos. A guy goes out to me wearing the jacket, he's like, Vinny, oh my God, he goes, listen, I'm gonna be honest with you. I, I'm, I'm not a big believer, I believe in some spiritual something. I'm basically an atheist, but I had to rock the jacket because I love how it looks. An atheist bought this jacket and Adam was there. Adam's my witness. So anyway, guys, go right now to FLB.com, uh, and get yours. I, I, I'm almost positive this is gonna be gone by the time the, the show's over.

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  And by the way, if you do it right, get the hat and the shirt with it to have the entire

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  Why not?

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  combination, the white shirt that goes with it and kinda like Vinny right now, the white shirt, the jacket and the hat, go to FLB.com, less than a hundred of these jackets left, especially by sizes. All right, with that being said, let's get right into it. Tom, the first thing I want to talk about is jobs report. So last month, you were a little bit pissed off because Kevin Worsch comes out and he raises the rates and you were furious, we had to kinda calm you down, we got your cups of coffee, we got you all this stuff to come, we brought you different bottles of wine, but Tom's like, Worsch made a mistake, you shouldn't have raised the rates.

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  Kidos and tonic, hold the tonic.

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  Anyways, then the report comes out today and inflation, uh, Tom, why don't you tell the audience what happened with inflation going up? And I know you have your opinions on it and we'll hash it out here together, but go for it.

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  Okay, just from the last hour, so what we're talking about, you may see headlines, America, in the last hour. The jobs report was expected to be about eighty-five, eighty-nine thousand. And they also expected inflation to be about 4.1%. This report comes out every month and here we are, September 2nd. So here comes the reports, October 2nd, excuse me, it's October 2nd, here comes the report for September. It comes out and it was twenty-nine thousand jobs, not eighty-five, eighty-nine, so that's sixty thousand less, means jobs cooling and they said unemployment went from 4.1, where it had been for a couple of months. I think three months in a row, it's been 4.1, it went to 4.2. That's a very minor uptick.

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  Unemployment.

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  Unemployment, right.

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  So inflation went what? What direction did inflation, I think you're talking about inflation.

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  No, no, the unemployment ramp, 4.1 to 4.2. So those two things were in the jobs report. And so everyone was cheering this morning because what this means is that the Fed had said they were gonna raise rates in October. And by the way, you know, the Fed meeting was actually three weeks ago that I was so upset. And now the next Fed meeting is like right in front of us, Pat, it's October 28th, 29th. So it's coming up quick in exactly four weeks. And so this morning, the bonds went down and the market went up in response to this. And people are saying, this now puts pressure on the Fed to not raise rates again, because they said they're gonna raise them in October. And I don't think you should have raised them last time, but this data says, don't do it again.

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  And that, and there's a lot of people, including me, that are happy about this.

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  Yeah, and, and I, this now gives you the moral authority to push on Worsch and say, look, if unemployment is going in this direction now, now you gotta lower the rates. Because his argument was inflation, right? Because I think inflation went up.

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  Correct.

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  It rose 0.2% for the month, uh, and 3% year over year, and that's his biggest trigger, Tom, if I'm not mistaken.

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  And, but people like me are fighting on that.

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  I know.

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  I say it's because of diesel, the diesel that's 6.50, by the way, over the, over the weekend, it was 8.05. I double-checked in California, they have those extra taxes. It was 8.05 diesel. So to deliver Amazon, to take strawberries from the field to the market, anything that diesel does, it inflates the price in our economy, but it's not sector inflation, it's a shock of the, of oil and the supply. So that's, I call that not real inflation, because as soon as you can get diesel back down, everything else comes back down. And Worsch looked at it and said it was full inflation. There's my debate on inflation.

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  Okay, Adam, your thoughts on this?

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  Well, look, I just wanna compare the United States unemployment rate to the rest of the world. Because sometimes it'll give you just context as to how are we doing? Because I actually believe that the economy is pretty stable and especially regarding compared to other countries all the world, around the world. So let me give you this, uh, so the United States unemployment rate is around 4%, give or take, right? We're not getting to 4.1, 4.

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  4.2, they say.

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  So here's compared to other countries around the world, just a little context right here, you ready? Australia, 4.6%. United Kingdom, 5%. India, 5%. Brazil, 5.3. China, if you even believe their numbers, 5.4%. Canada, who's, you know, gonna F around and find out with America with their little, uh, trade tiff, 6.5%. Turkey, the great Ottoman Empire out there, almost 8%. France, 8%, woke and weird out there. South Africa, when we're talking G20 countries, 33%. So there's very few countries, Mexico, 3% and Germany, 4% that are even on America's level.

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  So let's give some context here, America's doing pretty damn good compared to all the major G20, G20 countries around the world.

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  But you know, and, and the, the average person's gonna sit there and say, but we're America. It's not just about, we're doing better than them. We're, we're the greatest country in the world, we have to be crushing it better than everybody.

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  That doesn't mean we're not immune from situations.

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  Sure, sure, but what I'm telling you is, a lot of folks are gonna sit there and say, hey, that's not us, we gotta do better. And some people are still feeling what's going on today in the marketplace. How long that lasts, who knows? But I'm, I'm convinced, Tom, I don't think they'll be raising rates in the next time around when it comes back, Tom. I think it's gonna be a flat, I don't think they'll, Tom, are you listening, Tom? I'm, I'm looking at you. So they're, they're not gonna be raising rates, stay, I know you're watching the content as well. I don't think they'll raise the rates next time. I think they'll stay flat with us next time. I think it'll be a decision that you see numbers like this gives favor to guys like you to say, now pump the brakes. Now here's a question, what's the likelihood you think he'll lower the rates next time?

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  Um, not great, because the jobs report has happened now and the meeting is on the 28th, 29th of October. And we don't have any major reports coming out. So unless someone like an auto industry has three big companies make layoff reports in the month of October, he doesn't have the data that would push him to lower it. He only has, you know, you know, people like me pushing, you know, um, hard and Dr. J's strategy pushing hard, you know, on this side of it.

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  Don't push too hard, Tom.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  No, no, but there's no data. The next jobs report doesn't come out for October till like November 4th.

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  I'll give you a little, uh.

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  So Pat, that's the answer. I don't think, I think he could keep flat, he'll be forced to, but I don't think he can go down.

• 15:30Speaker 03

  There's something called the CME Fed Watch that agrees with basically what you're saying. They're basically saying, the next time that there's a, a Fed meeting, the, the odds are, if you look at Kalshi as well, they're gonna skip an increase in October, so keep things stable. And then in December, there's a 60% probability of a potential rate hike. So brace for impact, winter is coming, just shout out to Vinny, rates may go up by the end of the year, again.

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  Again, they may go up.

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  That's what they're saying, 60% chance in December.

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  60% in December, okay, we'll see, we'll see what's gonna happen. Next story here, Adam really wanted to cover this story, it's a big story, it's a top story, everybody's talking about this. And so, and that is what happened with the flight, the Dubai flight, okay? So fly Dubai flight passenger, details treating wounded pilot after tying up suspect. Do you have a video on this? Do we have anything to show people with this? Because here's what we're learning about the flight Dubai copilot who allegedly stabbed the captain and tried to crash the plane. Let me read this to you. "One day after fly Dubai copilot made a violent attempt to crash the passenger aircraft and was subdued by passengers and other crew members, questions about his identity and motive continued to swirl Thursday." By the way, this is 14,000 feet.

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  Vinny said nose dive 30 seconds. Okay, is this, is this the clip? Okay, can you show what happened so the people realize? Is, is this showing pretty much what the flight was?

• 16:53Speaker 02

  It's dropping, it's going down, down, that 14,000 and then takes a, a right turn.

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  And then it comes back up. Is this the CNN, uh?

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  Well, there's a, there's a pilot that's saying it's insane, you know how, Pat, when I say miracle? This is the pilot saying that this is almost impossible.

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  Go for it.

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  Just coming into about 500 knots.

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  Can't hear it.

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  So some of the numbers that we're seeing from the reporting initially are.

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  We can't hear the clip, can you guys hear it?

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  They don't make sense to me, because if you're descending that rapidly, the aircraft would have disintegrated completely. So the numbers will change, we have to throw there in the report.

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  Oh, that's interesting, because that, that, that, those, I mean, as you point out, those are only the numbers that we have right now. But interesting that you said that that could have caused it to break apart and, and that maybe some of those are, are a little higher than actually happened. We do know there was damage on the rudder, right? From whatever the speeds actually will turn out to be. And portions of it apparently tore away during flight. Now, obviously with serious damage to the rudder, a plane's gonna crash. So when you just look at what we know here, how fortunate do you think it is that this plane was actually even able to safely land?

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• 19:06Speaker 04

  Well, when I saw the images of the aircraft on the ground with the rudder section torn out, uh, I immediately had a cold chill because the amount of damage that that would cause hydraulic systems, electrical systems, especially hydraulics, once you start ripping apart electronic, or sorry, hydraulics, you start to bleed electronic fuel, hydraulic fuel. Let me pause, let me pause and read this right here.

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  The flight from Dubai to Tel Aviv was approaching Israel when the copilot allegedly stabbed the flight captain and attempted to crash the aircraft. Israeli Prime Minister Bibi said the captain fought off the copilot long enough to unlock the cockpit door. Passengers then overpowered the copilot and two off-duty pilots gained control and made an emergency landing in Tabuk, Saudi Arabia. There are 174 people aboard. No passenger was seriously injured. The pilot sustained stab wounds and Omani official confirmed to CBS News that the attacker was born in Oman and holds Omanis citizenship. Bibi speculated the incident looked like a suicide attempt and the personnel information gathered during the questioning had led Israel to conclude that the copilot underwent Islamic radical indoctrination. President Trump suggested the copilot may have been linked to Iran. Based on what I'm

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  hearing, Saudi Arabia said Thursday the copilot had been transferred to the UAE. Adam, thoughts on the story?

• 20:22Speaker 03

  Pat, this story is crazy. I mean, are you kidding me? And it hits very close to home because I was just in Tel Aviv. And when I was in Tel Aviv, they're like, do you want to go to Dubai? I was like, I don't know if I have enough time. But this story is straight out of a movie, which just happened.

• 20:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, the pilots can be...

• 20:37Speaker 03

  This story in Israel and Dubai is straight out of a movie, straight out of Dubai. And to me, there's a couple of different stories here. Number one, it's a story of culture. Here you have a radicalism versus heroism. You have some guy that somehow, not 25 years after 9/11, are you telling me the terrorists are not hijacking the plane? They're in the cockpit now? That's what's going on? That's the world we're living in right now? And then the second part of the story is heroism. We can focus all day on the Islamist. I guarantee you, shout out the famous two words, Allah Akbar, before you try to take this plane down. I'll guarantee you that. But I want to focus on the heroism. First and foremost, this Indian captain, Smit, are you kidding me? Flying the plane, all of a sudden gets stabbed.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  Next thing you know, he's trying to fight for his life, opens the cockpit door. You picked the wrong plane, Allah Akbar, buddy. You picked a plane full of badass Israelis. Next thing you know, a plumber shows up. Not a, not a military guy, not a captain, a plumber, straight out of Don't Mess with the Zohan, shows up like Scrappy Coco, making things silky smooth, subdues the hijacker, whips him up, puts the cord around him from his headphones, ties him up. Plane is plummeting, he saves the day. Next thing you know, they avoid another 9/11 style attack one week before October 7th. And then he shows up

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  to Bibi Netanyahu's office. Bibi goes, how did you do this? He goes, yeah, I watched TV show, it's called Plane Crash Investigations. This is how I learned from. Are you kidding me? Some plumber shows up, saves the day. Next thing you know, a dentist, don't call me not a doctor, a dentist bandages up the captain, saves his life. He's fighting for his life, this Indian captain. This story could have ended so much uglier, so much worse.

• 22:34Speaker 00

  We don't know the motive yet. We don't know the motive yet.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, we kinda know the motive.

• 22:38Speaker 00

  I'm being serious. Do we know the motive yet or not yet?

• 22:41Speaker 03

  Well, I'll tell you this. I'll let you figure this out. One story is basically saying a radical jihadist pilot took over the plane and wanted to Allah Akbar things. Then you have the mainstream media basically saying an altercation happened.

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  What I'm asking you is, are there any passengers that said they heard or saw anything? What I'm interested in is what did the 174 passengers say they saw?

• 23:02Speaker 03

  Here's what they said they saw.

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  Did they say they heard anything?

• 23:04Speaker 03

  They didn't hear anything.

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  Several passengers said they heard screaming and shouting from the cockpit while the aircraft was diving. One passenger's wife, who was near the front with their daughter reportedly heard a struggle just before the wounded captain came through the cockpit doorway. When passengers rushed through, they said they saw the captain badly injured and bleeding, lying near the cockpit entrance. A dentist on board said the captain was in real bad shape with heavy bleeding, especially from the head. The copilot near the controls, apparently trying to interfere with or damage the flight controls. Passenger Yanniv Huyan...

• 23:35Speaker 03

  That's the plumber.

• 23:36Speaker 00

  Okay, said there was no pilot, uh, sitting normally in, in either seat when he entered. Passengers physically dragging the copilot out of the cockpit and restraining him in the cabin. Some accounts say they eventually tied him with corded headphones.

• 23:52Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 23:53Speaker 00

  One passenger, Hayoun, then jumped back into the cockpit, pulling the controls in an effort. A regular person jumps in and tries to pull it.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  Bro, let me, let me, can I just explain something to you? These are all regular people. And I want to give a shout out to the Israelis out there. Every single Israeli has to go to the IDF, has to go to the military for two years, and then they go live their normal life. When you're walking around Israel, the plumber, he was in the military. The architect was in the military. The dentist was in the military. They are born and bred to deal with radical Islamists on an everyday basis. So the plumber stay ready, you know how they say, uh, stay ready so you don't have to get ready? This guy picked the wrong frickin' plane. Any other plane, this guy would have...

• 24:35Speaker 00

  And we know nothing about the guy that stabbed him. We know nothing about the guy that stabbed him.

• 24:38Speaker 03

  He's a citizen of Oman, and all we know, they have not released his name. When they tied him up...

• 24:43Speaker 00

  His name, age, photograph has not been released.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  I don't know what's going on. The people of Saudi and the people of the Emirates can't figure this out?

• 24:49Speaker 00

  Pat, you're asking a question. You're asking a...

• 24:49Speaker 03

  He was just, he was just yelling one thing after they tied him up. You know what he was yelling? Kill me, please. Kill me, please. I want to die.

• 24:58Speaker 00

  Who did he say that? Who heard him say that?

• 24:59Speaker 03

  That's what the passengers were basically saying. Museyev, who was the, um, the dentist, said he and another passenger then tied the suspect's hands with the headphones. The suspect said fewer words other than he was from Oman, and he told them, kill me, kill me, please. That's what they're dealing with.

• 25:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, one report says a fellow pilot described him as having joined Fly Dubai only about eight months earlier and being unusually religious, including frequent prayer and avoiding handshakes with women. Okay. That's, this is the kind of stuff I want to know. Uh, and that's from the Indian Express. Those details come from secondary reporting and have not been publicly confirmed by Fly Dubai. Some reports say pro-Palestinian, free Palestine material was found among his belongings, but that claim is not yet confirmed by UAE authorities. And then so far investigators have not established an Iranian connection, which is what the president said, or evidence that he was acting on behalf of a foreign government. Israeli security has reported leaned toward him acting alone on stage. And

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  after the plane landed, he received metal treatment when he was detained. He was subsequently transferred to Abu Dhabi, UAE. So they, they gotta find out. The question is how, how quickly they're gonna report on this? Vinny, what are you up to?

• 26:13Speaker 02

  Can you guys hear me?

• 26:13Speaker 00

  No, I can hear you. Come on.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  Oh, nothing. I mean, it's, it's, it's a miracle. And Adam made a great point. It's like, if you're ready, and you're always ready, you don't have to get ready. And the fact that, Pat, what, like, think about this. First of all, what about security? How in God's name did this guy bring a knife? Everybody has to go through metal detectors. I don't care who you are, I don't know how they do it over there. Everybody has to get checked. Everybody has to go through screening to get on there. Not only did he bring a knife on there, but you understand how much you have to be fighting to get that guy off and then to open the door. You have to open the door, else it's going down. And that CNN simulator guy, Pat, he said, the majority of the time when this happens, they're all gonna die. You're all gonna die. Everybody's going down. So he fought, he got him out there, and he,

• 26:58Speaker 02

  like, you can't ask for, like, the scenario is, Pat, almost 99% of the time, they're gonna all die.

• 27:03Speaker 00

  You know what's crazy? Let me tell you, uh, I interviewed Jacob Coxon yesterday. You guys know who he is?

• 27:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course.

• 27:08Speaker 00

  Jacob Coxon is the guy, this is the first...

• 27:10Speaker 03

  AI guy.

• 27:11Speaker 00

  This is the first long-form podcast he did. I can't wait for the audience. This is the first long-form podcast he did. The AI guy that left Anthropic and was at OpenAI for three years, came in yesterday, we did a two and a half hour, two-hour podcast, which I can't wait for the audience to see. One of the questions I asked him, because, you know, they're like, well, he's tied to Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton and that Newspeak, which was an organization of commies and socialists. And he gives us answer about what that is. But the one part I said, you know, are you a climate change person? You know, you're young, so typically it's the end of the world, you know, all these things. He says, I'm not. He answers it himself, you'll see it. But the one thing he said, I said, some say, you know, if we don't build it, China will. Okay? He says, that's the wrong

• 27:55Speaker 00

  mentality. Look what he said. Look what he said. He says, Patrick, we know China has spies working at Anthropic and OpenAI that if they wanted to, they can take that technology and ship it off to China. The way they do it is they send Chinese nationals to work at Anthropic and OpenAI. And then they're reporting back to China. So in the middle of the interview, we go and we start searching to see how many Chinese nationals are at the higher level executives. And I ask him names, you know, who he thought. You have to hear what he says as answers. Again, it comes out on Tuesday. But let me tell you what his answer was. This is the one part I'll reveal to the audience. He specifically said, I have a lot of friends that work at Anthropic and they're gonna be upset with

• 28:37Speaker 00

  me. He says, just like a foreign national cannot work for SpaceX, a Chinese national cannot work for SpaceX, but they can work for Anthropic and they can work for, uh, what do you call it? OpenAI. So he says, I think as much as some of my friends are gonna be not happy with me, I don't think Chinese nationals should work for Anthropic and OpenAI.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  I totally agree.

• 29:00Speaker 00

  But here's where I'm going to. So the part where I'm going to with this pilot stuff is, I don't know what Fly Dubai is. I don't know what some of these guys are doing. I mean, listen, man, if, if you're flying a plane, some people may be sitting there saying, I need to know who the pilot is.

• 29:15Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 29:15Speaker 00

  As a passenger, do you think we have the right to know who the pilots are?

• 29:18Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 29:19Speaker 00

  Do you think it needs to, do, do, do you, and I'm being honest with you, like, remember one time we got on a flight and October 7th happened? It was the next day? Do you remember that flight? I don't know if you remember this or not. We're going to, on a flight, I think, I think the moment I tell you, Vinny, you'll remember this. You were on the flight as well. We're going on a flight. The pilot has flown me quite a few times. I like this guy. Late twenties, early thirty year old Jewish guy, former IDF. He comes in and he is shook up. Like when I tell you shook up, you can tell he hasn't slept at all. It's the next day.

• 29:55Speaker 02

  Now I know exactly.

• 29:56Speaker 00

  You remember this?

• 29:56Speaker 02

  About.

• 29:57Speaker 00

  It's the next day. And I'm like, how you doing? Says, not good. I said, how you feeling right now? He says, the only thing on my mind is, I want to go back to Israel and fight for my country.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 30:08Speaker 00

  So, so then I got on the flight and I'm like, oh shit. Then I had to go find out who the co-pilot was. By the way, I love this guy. He's a great guy. I had to go and say, let me see who the co-pilot is because this guy is a little bit, uh,

• 30:18Speaker 02

  Off.

• 30:18Speaker 00

  He's not in the right place.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 30:20Speaker 00

  So then I went and met the co-pilot. I'm like, okay, at least this guy's gonna be good. That's helping him out. The entire flight, I was concerned because he was in a place, naturally, you can't blame the guy where he's at.

• 30:31Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 30:31Speaker 00

  When I hear stories like this, part of it to me as a, as a passenger is gonna be like, look, I need to know a report of who the pilot is before I get on the flight. Okay, here's, here's who the pilots are. Boom, boom, boom. You know, you know, like if you, if you're gonna, who's the Uber driver? This Uber driver?

• 30:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's a breakdown.

• 30:48Speaker 00

  Okay, great. Here's what I want to know. I think there needs to be a scoring something that passengers get for pilots. Maybe don't give me his full name. Maybe put John D, Larry J, you know, Mary X, whatever. So you don't give the whole last name, but I get something. As we're going through this direction, we need to kind of find out who are these people that are getting these types of jobs. And as a person that's flying and travels a lot, you know, a co-pilot does this? So now you're not even protected from a co-pilot?

• 31:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 31:18Speaker 00

  And you mean to tell me you couldn't figure this part out as an institution and organization? I mean, listen, we all make mistakes as business owners, but that's a pretty rough place to be. You're dealing with people's lives. This is literally, this story could very easily be, a hundred and seventy-four people were killed in a flight that crashed, apparently, and we know nothing.

• 31:37Speaker 02

  Nope, till the black.

• 31:38Speaker 03

  By the way, that's the story that should have happened. If they, if the, if the captain, thank God, wrestled out of the cockpit.

• 31:47Speaker 02

  Open the cockpit door.

• 31:48Speaker 03

  Hero. The, the people came, the guy learned to fly the plane from watching TV show.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:55Speaker 03

  Are you kidding me? These people should all be dead. They should all be doing Hail Marys and Baruch Hashem's right now. It's crazy. And I know Tom wants to say something. I'll say one last thing. This is the world we're living in right now. Twenty-five years after nine eleven, it's not terrorist hijackers who take over the plane. It's the actual captain of the plane.

• 32:12Speaker 00

  Let me tell you though, you have to think like the enemy. I'm telling you, Jacob Coxon yesterday, gave me perspective about AI nobody else has given to me. Like, I can't wait for the audience to see this because I, I went in, I'm like, this guy's possibly a socialist NGO, you know, all this stuff. You're gonna walk away saying you like this guy, sincere. And by the way, you know what I asked him? Cause to see, you know, where he's at. Remember the whole thing when the whistleblower, the parent whistleblowers came and said, Sam Altman killed my son.

• 32:40Speaker 03

  The engineer.

• 32:40Speaker 00

  The engineer. You should see the answer he gave. This is not a guy that was a fan. So, so anyways, all I'm, all I'm, this is, this is all I'm tying it together with. I think, I think the part about where companies have to be watching carefully is foreign nationals work for, working for a company that has actual direct impact to lives and direct impact to intel, AI, certain technologies that could, that is a valid, valid threat that people are bringing up, especially if you're a foreign national from China, if you're a foreign national from some of these countries that are coming, you're working that we have to be careful with. You know, you know how like right now, one of the things that we have

• 33:23Speaker 00

  at our company that people have fun with is who worked here that was former CIA? You know, you know, that game that people play. Okay. Who worked here that's with Mossad, right? And we know who that is, right? Okay. Who always comes here with Mossad agents? And it's always got these people and you know, who is tied to this? And people joke with it. Part of it, part of it is not a joke, by the way, just so you know. A part of it is not a joke. A part of it is you have to kind of find out what people are coming from.

• 33:47Speaker 03

  People affiliated with the CIA have been here? Think so?

• 33:50Speaker 00

  I would say ninety-five percent.

• 33:51Speaker 03

  Wow. Say it one more time?

• 33:54Speaker 00

  He says, do you think people who are dealing with CIA or intel?

• 33:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:58Speaker 00

  Do you think, dude, let me tell you, if they started watching Reagan seventeen years before he ran for governor, Russia did, you think these people are not, you don't think people have come and worked you to see what the true motive is and go report it back to certain people?

• 34:10Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 34:11Speaker 00

  You're naive. But certain companies have to take it even beyond that. I don't know. As a pilot, as, as a passenger, I would want to report on a pilot, whatever flight I'm going to. I don't know if that report is even out there or not.

• 34:22Speaker 03

  Are you talking about when you fly private or when you fly public airplanes?

• 34:25Speaker 00

  Either way, no matter what it is, it needs to be, here you go.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  Private, I fully.

• 34:29Speaker 00

  Here's who the pilots are.

• 34:29Speaker 03

  How do you do that on a public plane? Are you gonna leave the plane if you don't like what the, what the?

• 34:33Speaker 00

  No, absolutely.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, hold on. Yeah, give me not, but I'm.

• 34:36Speaker 00

  Absolutely. Give me the option.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  How about this? Twenty-four, you know, they have those bands that tell you your workout and your heart rate and everything?

• 34:41Speaker 00

  Option.

• 34:41Speaker 02

  I want to know for twenty-four hours, did he sleep? Did you go to sleep? Or did you get into a huge fight with your wife?

• 34:46Speaker 00

  You're dealing with someone's life. You're dealing with someone's life.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  Uber, you can give ratings, four point seven, five point oh, whatever. How do you do that on pilots?

• 34:53Speaker 00

  Same thing needs to happen.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  Probably.

• 34:54Speaker 00

  I think the same thing needs to happen. All right. So let's go to the next story. Next story I want to get into is, um, the story with, very weird story, folks. I don't even know how to read this to you, but, uh, this is the story of Cornell, uh, rape story that came out with this young girl. And let me just kind of go through the timeline because it is a crazy story, right? It is a crazy story. Apparently this girl was snorting ketamine off a guy's dangling. And I know that kind of sounds weird. It's not like, maybe everybody does that. And I haven't been exposed to other stuff, but apparently she was snorting ketamine off, uh, anyways, let me kind of go through it. Timeline. An upstate New York prosecutor has reopened an investigation into claims of a former Cornell student was

• 35:36Speaker 00

  drugged and raped by seven men by the, uh, how do you pronounce that? Uh, Chi Phi fraternity?

• 35:42Speaker 03

  Chi Phi.

• 35:42Speaker 02

  Chi Phi.

• 35:43Speaker 00

  Chi Phi fraternity house in two thousand twenty-four. Here's the timeline. August twenty twenty-two, Jane Doe begins her freshman year at Cornell in Ithaca, New York. October eighteenth, beautiful day, twenty twenty-four, which I'm saying the date, I'm born on that day. I'm not saying it's a beautiful day because the incident that happened here. Someone overdoses on ketamine at the Chi Phi house, per a redacted Cornell report. Next day, Jane Doe alleges she was drugged and gang raped by seven men at this party. Investigation documents, she, uh, says she arrived already intoxicated. She says she kept drinking there and accepted drugs before agreeing to a threesome and losing consciousness. Next

• 36:22Speaker 00

  day, a fraternity member alleges members, messages that the, the Chi Phi Snapchat group claiming there was a, there was free sex upstairs. Okay, here we go. October twenty-third, she texts a man who invited her, male number one, my reputation is destroyed and I'm utterly ashamed. She texts, this is documented. October thirtieth, texting male number one after being uninvited to Chi Phi event, y'all aren't my friends. Y'all are coven your asses. Okay. November seventh, twenty twenty-four, male number one says he fears being labeled an assaulter. She replies, I haven't said anything and I know there are rumors I was gang banged. November eighth, twenty twenty-four, she texts, I think I'm done talking to you. I

• 37:07Speaker 00

  know you lied. Then files a police report. Cornell suspends the chapter on several students. Six days later, November fourteenth, she gives a formal statement to the campus who referred to direct, the district attorney prosecutor declined to charge. Twelve days later, November twenty-sixth, interim president Michael Kotlikoff cites serious and deeply disturbing allegations of drug abuse and sexual violence at the Chi Phi fraternity house. January fourteenth, twenty twenty-five, Cornell opens a title, uh, uh, nine, title, is that title nine or title eleven investigation to her formal complaint. February sixth, twenty twenty-five, Kotlikoff and Provost Kavita Bell launch a presidential task force on campus

• 37:50Speaker 00

  sexual assault. May second to May twenty-nine, twenty twenty-five. They hold at least twelve hearings, fifty interviews, thirty-two witnesses. Jane Doe, I felt like bait. I felt like lions around me. November four, twenty twenty-five, a Cornell survey finds thirty-five percent of undergrad women and eight percent of men report non-consensual sexual contact involving force or incapacitation. September sixteen, twenty twenty-six, this is a week ago, two weeks ago. She sues Cornell, Chi Phi, her sorority and seven accused men. One week later, September twenty-first, Cornell Daily editorializes Cornell has failed to protect its students. September twenty-seven, DA Matthew Van Houten, uh, reopens the case but

• 38:33Speaker 00

  says her sworn statements described her participation in drug use and sexual contact as voluntary, conscious and consensual. Then lawyers for Scott.

• 38:44Speaker 00

  Chris Schimer and Scott Norris deny involvement. Ethica Police say the case was never reopened to them. Cornell says it occurred on Cornell jurisdiction. September 29, Kathy Hochul gets involved, demands an outside investigation, and Cornell agrees. Van Houten defends the 2024 decision while calling the allegations morally disturbing. The full statement shows Jane Doe said it felt like coercion. An attorney for Gillo Lopez also denies the allegation. And then yesterday Hochul appoints. Ready? Letitia James.

• 39:14Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. She's still not in jail.

• 39:17Speaker 00

  Letitia James.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:18Speaker 00

  Special prosecutor saying the case has undercut my faith and the public's faith in the DA. James says she is ready to lead a process New Yorkers can trust. Vinnie.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  Okay, so if you're violently gang raped over and over and over during the course of a night, you're gonna wait three weeks before you're calling the campus police? I'm sorry, guys, I don't believe it. And then the wait, the texts, the conversations with the friends, everything that happened in those three weeks, okay, especially when her own messages initially say that nothing illegal happened and she enjoyed part of it, okay? And by the way, just, I want to put this out there, I genuinely feel bad for her. The whole situation is horrible, but you put yourself in that dangerous situation, okay? That doesn't give anybody the right to sexually assault you, but you can't also like remove personal responsibility from your actions because, and then blame everybody afterwards.

• 40:13Speaker 02

  And I saw this video yesterday that made a great point. This girl said, I get, I get drunk and get into a car accident, it's 100% my fault. But if I get drunk and I sleep with someone and I regret it in the morning, I can blame him? It doesn't make any sense. And what about the guys? You said there was a counselor, the guys, some of the guys were drunker than she was. So if your argument is that being drunk means somebody cannot consent, then that standard has to go across the board. So either like standard matters for everybody or it means nothing because the guys right now could be like, well, I did consent, I was drunk, I didn't know what the hell was going on. Um, and in fact, this is, the main thing I take away from this story is her upbringing. Who are this girl's parents? Okay, were they together? Were they divorced?

• 40:57Speaker 02

  What kind of morals and, and, and values are you teaching this kid? Because by her own account, she was a virgin in high school. Okay, then she goes to college and randomly winds up in a situation like this, okay? That doesn't, that change doesn't happen in a vacuum, okay? Like I would tell my daughter or son the same thing. Protect yourself, protect your reputation, don't get freaking wasted. By the way, you don't go from that to sniffing ketamine off of somebody's penis in one year. That doesn't, I, I don't care. Okay, your choices matter and pretending they don't is doing like young people no favors. So people can be harsh, I call it being an adult, okay? If these men raped her, prove it in court, prosecute them. If they didn't, then guess what? These guys should be able to do a counter suit and go after her and go after the school

• 41:42Speaker 02

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• 42:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, and they found a few other text messages of what she said. She said she was super colluded in the same exchange she wrote that none of the sexual stuff was illegal in the text. She said after she was the incident. She also said she liked being with that man and another man, and later suggested that they could smoke together again, but without the extra 5 billion men and ketamine. So only her ended, two other men. And then she said, bro, everyone knows what happened was ruining my life temporarily and that all she could do was sleep and cry all day. And she said in a text again, the woman will always get the shorter end of the stick. Y'all aren't friends, y'all are covering your asses.

• 43:42Speaker 00

  Let's be clear that 90% of what happened that night was not consensual. Then she says that on November 3rd. Okay, and another message cited in the investigation that she felt like a sex doll worker. Very weird. So Tom, where are you at with this?

• 43:56Speaker 01

  So I think the court of public opinion is out on her and we'll leave it be. Um, I hope she gets counseling and I hope that if there was crimes committed, that they're properly prosecuted. But let me say something about the boys. You are an idiot. It is poor judgment. If you're gonna get involved in a, a sexual act like that, you're putting yourself in the position to be in the headline with her, even if she is completely making things up the same way things happened at Duke Lacrosse. If you were in there cheering with your $20 bills when you thought it was a stripper coming into Duke Lacrosse, you put yourself in the opportunity to have your name in a headline and a campus report and a police report because she makes an accusation.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  If you're not there, your name can't be there. So I think the boys were poor judgment and idiots for being there in the first place. You're putting yourself in a horrible situation. Because look what happens. Things can happen maybe that were perfectly legal, perfectly consenting between people, even though people were drunk and everything. Okay, that may be legal consent, but your name's still in the headlines. Idiot, do you want your name in the headlines or do you want to finish college? Now I'll say something about Cornell. Cornell, in my opinion, is a horrible place. I have talked in the last year, and I knew about this, um, because this case has gone back a couple of years, it's been headlines. People, I was talking to two separate sets of parents about veterinary school.

• 45:24Speaker 01

  And they said, you know, I think UC Davis up by Sacramento is number one and Cornell's number two. And I said, you're right, it is, but I wouldn't send my kid to Cornell. Why? Because once upon a time, one of my daughters went into study veterinarian and I studied Cornell, but then I read about Cornell. The Cornell campus, I do not believe is properly controlled and properly administered.

• 45:44Speaker 00

  You're saying this?

• 45:45Speaker 01

  I'm saying that my opinion, two years ago, talking to a family about.

• 45:49Speaker 00

  Why do you say that? They're saying that to you?

• 45:51Speaker 01

  No, I'm saying it.

• 45:52Speaker 00

  Why are you saying that? Be specific.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  I was specifically, I read about this case two years ago. This has been going on two years.

• 45:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  And I read about it and I also read associated things that the fraternity culture that is at Cornell is quote unquote, out of control and not administered.

• 46:09Speaker 00

  Let me get this straight. Because of this story, you discourage your girls from going to Cornell?

• 46:13Speaker 01

  I discouraged two other parents that were, had girls talking about vet school because Brooke at one point wanted to go to vet school. These people saw that UC Davis was number one, Cornell was number two. And I said, just go to Florida. Florida's top five vet school and you can be bright futures. And one of them's a family from Florida and so it won't cost you anything. So I have, I have, this is my opinion based on what I read. So with Cornell, don't go sending me a letter with 12 names at the top. This is my opinion on the, on the things with your name on it and your logo that are out there. The allegations are your fraternity group is out of control.

• 46:49Speaker 00

  Let me ask you this.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  You don't administer it and you're not protecting your students.

• 46:52Speaker 00

  Go a little bit deeper. So what should they do? So what role does Cornell play here? What should they do to prevent this? Not, not, it's already been done. What could they have done to prevent this?

• 47:02Speaker 01

  Well, I'll tell you. The whole fraternity system is rife. Hazings, where we read every year, what do we read? About hazings in a fraternity system where colleges largely turn a blind eye to it. So number one, I'll give you a great example. Rice got rid of fraternities in the 50s because they thought that they excluded people, that kids fell left out. And so they encourage kids to be part of the residential college system where every kid is assigned to residential college at Rice. And they have their own traditions and things, so they bring natural inclusion, not fake DEI inclusion, natural inclusion where no freshmen are left out. Every one of you is part of a residential college.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  The fraternity system creates the us and them. And the hazing that goes on the fraternity system is bad. And I think colleges like Cornell need to absolutely think, is it time to shut down the fraternity system and create alternative housing for kids to bring non-fake inclusion? And you know what I mean by fake inclusion, Pat?

• 48:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's very interesting, the angle you're taking, Tom. It's very interesting because so you're going to, one thing you can do as universities is get rid of fraternities. Okay, sororities, any of that stuff that you have because of what happens there.

• 48:17Speaker 01

  And police behavior better.

• 48:19Speaker 00

  And police behavior better. Now, some will say, uh, some will say that's part of the college experience, like folks who went to Florida State or Arizona State, or give me some of those Santa Barbara, UC Santa Barbara, these are some party types of schools. Hey, you're boring, Tom, you don't know what you're talking about. We want to go there for that exact reason.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, I don't want my son, if I had a son, to go to Cornell and have an STD and his name in the newspaper, be part of the college experience.

• 48:43Speaker 00

  No, that's valid, but some people will say that is part of the college experience. So parents.

• 48:47Speaker 01

  You're rolling a dice.

• 48:47Speaker 00

  I totally get that. I'm trying to say here, one, who accepted me? Were I smart enough to get into? What are my options? Number two, parents learning more. So right now, Tom, as a parent, what role should parents play if their kid is about to go into college? What should we be doing?

• 49:02Speaker 01

  If you're not visiting colleges and reading everything you can about the college and you're just thinking about the college as a merit badge, you're making a mistake. This is why places like Hillsdale are growing and growing for the right reasons. Because they're teaching kids to think, not to be indoctrinated. And look at the culture of behavior that also happens.

• 49:22Speaker 00

  So true. I, I will tell you a story. Uh, and I don't know how much of this story I'll tell, this entire time I'm thinking about how much of it I want to give away. But I'm in the army and the guys in the army, there was a girl, she had a nickname. I remember her nickname. You want me to tell you her nickname?

• 49:36Speaker 01

  What was the nickname?

• 49:37Speaker 00

  Jawbone.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 49:39Speaker 00

  That was her nickname. Okay.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  T-Bone.

• 49:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, no, Jawbone. And in the male bathroom in the barracks, there were things written all over the place. And she would come in and write such and such a night in this room, everybody come.

• 49:59Speaker 00

  Okay, I'm telling you. So me and my two guys that we hung out with, he'd come to me and says, hey, man, you saw that again? I said, yeah. I said, dude, whatever we're doing, we're going to Nashville that night. We'd go to Nashville that night to be away from the barracks.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Smart.

• 50:12Speaker 00

  To just be away. We'd come back on Monday and guess what they would say? Sergeant would come in on Saturday, such and such happened, 14 soldiers are being called on to be investigated on what happened that night.

• 50:26Speaker 02

  Weird.

• 50:26Speaker 00

  Because she doesn't remember anything. You, you, and my, my, one of the benefits, I had a drill sergeant that told me from the beginning, listen, remember a few rules in the army. 15 will give you 20.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 50:38Speaker 00

  And you know what that is?

• 50:39Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 50:39Speaker 00

  15 will give you 20.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  What does that mean?

• 50:41Speaker 00

  Okay, now with a 15 year old will give you 20 years.

• 50:44Speaker 03

  A girl with a fake ID at a local place.

• 50:46Speaker 00

  He said, don't even trust fake IDs. So even fake IDs, in the middle of it, you ask a girl for a fake ID, don't even trust the fake IDs. Don't even trust the fake IDs. Then, never be in barracks alone with a girl. Okay, in the army, because all they're gonna say is what?

• 51:02Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 51:03Speaker 00

  Here's what happened.

• 51:03Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 51:03Speaker 00

  By the way, these are the types of conversations that I think fathers need to have with their sons and mothers need to have with their sons because sometimes it's kind of like, yeah, it's my boy, you know, that's cool. But you gotta, you're setting him up for failure by not having these types of conversations. And you know, you made a good point, like, how was she raised? I don't know how she was raised. We don't know about her parents. We don't know what happened to you. We don't know what the experience was. By the way, it could have very likely been that it was good parents. And she just chose to be dumb because one day she chose to drink and be stupid. And now this is on her timeline for the rest of her life. And so far, they've protected her name. But guess who knows who she is? Those seven guys and all the other people from the Chi 5, whatever fraternity they're talking about. Adam, your thoughts here. You had the full college experience yourself, so let's see what your angle is.

• 51:45Speaker 03

  Look, I have a different take than everybody here. Um, I, I appreciated what Tom had to say about these boys being idiots. Um, I, I do have some thoughts on the fraternity system. But let me start with what the number one thing is on this situation. It all comes down to personal responsibility and personal choices. Because she's not just doing any old little drug here. How familiar are you with ketamine and what it does? Because that's not like, oh, she's just doing drugs. Ketamine is a whole different level of drug. And the reason I know this is one of my best friends is prescribed ketamine. And I think he does it a little too much and it's a little too over the top. Let me explain.

• 52:27Speaker 02

  Antidepressant.

• 52:28Speaker 03

  It's supposed to be treated as an antidepressant.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:32Speaker 03

  Okay, but what it does, ketamine, have you ever heard of the concept of a K-hole?

• 52:37Speaker 02

  I've heard something like that.

• 52:38Speaker 03

  Let me explain this to you. If you do enough of it, not only will it treat your depression, it'll make you blast off to a different planet. And it affects the brain so hardcore that it changes your perception of reality and you enter a dreamlike hallucinogenic state.

• 52:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:56Speaker 03

  So, and you know what is even more absurd about this drug? It looks exactly like cocaine. Take a look at what ketamine looks like. Here's a picture on your screen. Do you see it?

• 53:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, it looks like cocaine.

• 53:07Speaker 03

  Does that not look exactly like cocaine?

• 53:09Speaker 02

  And it even looks like, cut like rails or lines.

• 53:12Speaker 03

  So let me explain something to you. I've been at a party in South Beach when there's cocaine going around. I mean, welcome to South Beach. This one guy thought that he was doing a bump of cocaine. Boom, blast off. He could not move for six hours. He was in a K-hole. He did not know what he was doing. He did not know where he was. We're like, hey, is our, is our, is our friend coming with us? They're like, he's gonna be a while. Thank God he's okay. But the, my whole concept of personal responsibility and personal choices. If this girl chose to inhale what she thought was a drug, whether she thought it was cocaine or knew that it was K, ketamine. She willingly entered the third realm.

• 53:57Speaker 03

  Now, she made that decision. So it's on her. At the same time, if you're a dude and you're at a fraternity and you see one, two, three, four guys doing this to a girl, at what point as you as a man say, bro, what are you doing? This girl's clearly messed up. Oh, no, no, she, she wanted to do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe with him. Now with all seven of you. So to me, there's personal responsibility on both ends.

• 54:23Speaker 00

  You gotta.

• 54:24Speaker 03

  On her not to do drugs and on these idiots

• 54:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:27Speaker 03

  not to end up in a rape case.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  But, but, but, but at the end of the day, like this situation, let's just call it what it is. She's one of those girls that went in there and did what she did. You can't, at the end of it, get embarrassed because the, because everybody's talking about you and say rape, because then you're gonna ruin and destroy other people's lives. Tom's right. Those guys were more, Adam, you know, nine, five guys in a room, apparently they were texting on like some social, social media app saying, yo, come through, this is happening. All stupid decisions, but that word rape is a whole different ballgame. Because now she's like, oh, wait a minute, I'm embarrassed. You know what? You were raped. Somebody's like.

• 55:03Speaker 03

  Let me, let me be very specific. If she did a good amount of ketamine.

• 55:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:07Speaker 03

  I don't even think she knows what planet she was on during that rape.

• 55:10Speaker 02

  But you.

• 55:10Speaker 03

  So she might have known that she was there to see a guy. I'm, I'm just being straight up.

• 55:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I, I understand.

• 55:16Speaker 03

  If she did a good amount of ketamine, buddy, she wasn't on this planet during.

• 55:20Speaker 02

  I understand that, but you think.

• 55:21Speaker 03

  I need you to understand that.

• 55:22Speaker 02

  I understand that, but are other guys coming in going, hey, there's not a ketamine checker. Hey, where's she at on the ketamine thing? They don't know. They're just hearing, hey, come on in and have.

• 55:30Speaker 00

  What are you saying?

• 55:30Speaker 03

  Let me tell you something.

• 55:31Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm, what are you saying? What I'm saying is, Pat, I think she was there. She wanted to hook up. She was down. I don't know what happened because at the end of the night, because her story is changing. But what I'm saying is, if you're there, Adam, if I show up to a strip club and I see strippers, I can't be like, oh, oh my God.

• 55:46Speaker 03

  I, I need you to understand something, buddy.

• 55:48Speaker 02

  She wanted to hook up with guys, multiple guys. She said it.

• 55:51Speaker 03

  But I need you to understand one specific thing.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 55:53Speaker 03

  If she was in a K-hole.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  How would you know though? How would a guy know? Like if you're high, I don't know if she's in a K-hole.

• 55:58Speaker 03

  Back up a second. If a girl is really, really, really, really, really drunk and you're with her. And do you know that she's really, really?

• 56:06Speaker 02

  Absolutely, absolutely.

• 56:07Speaker 03

  Bingo.

• 56:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:08Speaker 03

  So if a girl's in a K-hole, that's like 10x drunk. So hear me out.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 56:13Speaker 03

  If this girl is literally like.

• 56:14Speaker 02

  Oh, that's all, if she's passed out.

• 56:16Speaker 03

  That's my point.

• 56:17Speaker 02

  Hundred percent different story.

• 56:18Speaker 03

  Is that if she was fully in a K-hole, she wasn't like, woo, let's go guys. It's not cocaine. Cocaine, she's going crazy. Let's have fun. If it was ketamine and it was a K-hole, there's a very good chance that she was like this.

• 56:30Speaker 02

  But that's what I'm saying is, did she say, Pat, in the story, did she say she was there?

• 56:33Speaker 03

  Buddy, she don't remember, dog. What don't you get?

• 56:36Speaker 00

  90% of what happened to me was illegal.

• 56:39Speaker 02

  Illegal.

• 56:39Speaker 00

  But she said that a few weeks after that.

• 56:42Speaker 03

  I think, again, I haven't followed this case to, to, I just say this one thing. I could see a scenario where the first guy that she was with and came to be was actually, he'll get off, meaning he's innocent. But if these other guys who showed up in the room while she's K'd out, they're gonna pay the price. They might be in some big, big trouble. I don't know the details beyond that. And if the first guy let them in, the, the, someone that is on K and in a K-hole, they are not in an awareness state. So it, I, there, this is the whole situation here is like, but she, she showed up, she wanted to be there, but then she did this drug and then she didn't know where she was.

• 57:24Speaker 00

  Tom.

• 57:25Speaker 03

  It's a very complicated situation.

• 57:26Speaker 00

  So we're, we're talking about.

• 57:27Speaker 03

  Be very careful what you put in.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  We're talking about judgment of men. We're talking about K-holes, appropriately thing where people may be. And, but I'll tell you here, three different sources I just found have pointed out, and this was the stuff I read it. I recognize one, uh, the Cornell Sun is one of the things I read. It says, Cornell arguably has the most troubled Greek, uh, system in the Ivy League. The negative side is a long hazing and safety record. Sophomore died in 2011. Another one died in 2019, 2014. Um, seven fraternities were suspended over hazing allegations. In February, Delta Phi was permanently suspended, uh, then reduced to five years, according to these stories. Uh, and the public hazing log is now, the, the hazing log is now made public. So parents and prospective students can see it, but it has become longer and worse.

• 58:13Speaker 01

  And when you look at the years, 24, 25, 25, 26. So it's basically, there you have it. There you have it. If, what can parents do? Read stuff like this and say to yourself, am I sending my daughter to Cornell?

• 58:27Speaker 00

  This conversation. I love this conversation on what happened. Because you had a different lens, you had a very different lens, and you had a very different lens. And, uh, yeah, we have to be ready for it. We have to be ready for it. And, and for me, with my boys, my kids, you have to be also careful what not to brag about with your boys for them to be like, that's what I'm gonna do to be a hero. And we're kind of having a conversation this morning when Anthony asked you a question and we're going back and forth. I'm like, I don't know. If, if, if we gotta balance some of these conversations. That's why no, I'm not part of this camp. There is a reason why Bible wanted you, the Bible wanted us to save ourselves before.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 59:07Speaker 00

  There's a reason. There's a reason. Not that we did it. I failed miserably. But there's a reason for it. You know how they say, you know, am I early, the whole thing that father, son go through three stages. First you idolize him, then you demonize him, then you humanize him. And then you say, my dad knew everything, man. My dad's a lot smarter. He's getting smarter lately. My dad's getting smarter lately. No, no, it's been the same guy. You know, my mom was right all along. You know, my mom was right all along. Takes you a while to go through it, man. If you can really be coachable for some of these seasons. Ben Affleck said something the other day in a video I saw. He says, uh, uh, you know, I'm sitting with my son and I'm giving him advice, my kids, I'm giving them advice about life. And then he's, I said, listen, I've been through some things in life. Here's what you should do. He says, Dad, you want us to take advice from you?

• 59:52Speaker 00

  You? He says, yeah, I, trust me, I have the experience. Hello, I have the, he's joking about it, but it's like, your parents, your parents are kind of like, is this the one? Yeah, when I was a boy at 14 years old, my father was so ignorant. I could hardly stand to have the, a man around. But when I got to 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in.

• 1:00:13Speaker 00

  Mark Twain.

• 1:00:14Speaker 03

  Is that actually a Mark Twain quote?

• 1:00:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, it is. It's a Mark Twain quote.

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  Man, that guy.

• 1:00:18Speaker 00

  All right, let's get to the next story. Let's get to the next story. Good, fine guys in the back. Good, fine guys in the back. Okay. Next story I want to get to is what, another weird one, but let's, let's skip this weird one. Let me go to another one. So this actress, okay, is giving a speech. We're not gonna stay on the story a lot of, a lot. We're not gonna talk about, it's not about rap, but we're talking about rappers. And so this lady.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  We are against those.

• 1:00:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, we are against these types of mentality. She says she wishes her son was gay. Because one of her friends had a son that was gay and he says, what's better than having a gay son, right? I just want you to watch this speech and tell me if it motivates any one of you. Go for it.

• 1:00:58Speaker 11

  Always wanted a gay son. I did. I love that relationship between gay sons and their mothers. I want to be the picket sign holding mom.

• 1:01:10Speaker 00

  Have a daughter.

• 1:01:10Speaker 11

  Who would beat the shit out of somebody for her kid.

• 1:01:12Speaker 00

  She's reading.

• 1:01:13Speaker 11

  I mean, let's just admit it. Gay sons are the best, right? Right?

• 1:01:20Speaker 11

  I have photographs of my son in high heels, in full drag. He knows every word to every musical ever written. His fairy godfather, Aaron Walton, is here with us tonight. I mean, truly, I thought I had this fucking thing locked up. But no, no, he's the only straight guy in his entire musical theater company. What a loser. So when Marcia called me about 10 years ago, from her closet, I kid you not, she was in her closet, to tell me that her son had come out to her as gay, all I said was, "Oh, my God, you are so fucking lucky."

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. Yeah. Like, look at her.

• 1:02:05Speaker 11

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• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  Are you kidding me?

• 1:03:40Speaker 00

  I'm speech, like, the-

• 1:03:41Speaker 02

  I don't, like, it's, besides what she's saying, do you hear the applause? Like, the pro, like, Holly, when they say Holly weird, do you understand, like, your child is not a trophy for your political activism, social circle? I mean, Pat, like, that's the cool thing. I know we're gonna play the Bill Maher thing in a minute, but whatever happened to your parents just wanting you to grow up healthy and happy, successful, strong, like, gay? And she's upset, does she have any kids? Does she actually have kids?

• 1:04:12Speaker 01

  What do you mean, her son?

• 1:04:13Speaker 02

  Her son's not gay.

• 1:04:14Speaker 01

  Turns out to be straight.

• 1:04:15Speaker 02

  He's straight. So, by the way, and you're her, Adam, you're her son, and you're listening to this.

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:19Speaker 02

  How does that make you feel? That your mom is not happy, that you're not some flamer that's jumping around? By the way, no, Adam, in the streets of West Hollywood, bro, I lived there, they would shut down, you couldn't drive into Hollywood, because there was butt-naked men outside. I'm talking about Sodom and Gomorrah stuff, butt-naked, going on, on, set up crucifixes. You wanna talk about evil? You wanna talk about demonic-type behavior, Pat? In the streets of L.A., and it was totally fine. Little kids, parents, straight parents bringing their kids, and I would see, I felt so bad, little kids looking at butt-naked men, flashing them in front of their faces, okay? And this is Hollywood, bro. Hollywood preaches acceptance, but acceptance has to work both ways, okay? What are we talking about?

• 1:05:02Speaker 02

  Like, if that's not the weirdest thing you've seen all month, I don't know what is.

• 1:05:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  It's disgusting.

• 1:05:07Speaker 00

  Tom, your thoughts, Tom.

• 1:05:08Speaker 02

  How about a normal son?

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  You know, I don't know where to start. I'm just kinda stunned. But in a way, I'm not stunned, because she is fully indoctrinated, she's fully in the liberal crowd, and she's fully out there, you know, she's gone to the point of faking it, to the point it looks like she really believes what she's saying.

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:32Speaker 01

  And that is the endpoint of full indoctrination, is advocacy. You suddenly become an advocate for what you're indoctrinated in. So in other words, Pat, you follow that, Pat? That you go down the indoctrination? And now, and so in other words, you're indoctrinated to the point that you're not just gonna be a suicide bomber, you're actually recruiting people, not because you're trying to get a checkmark, you're actually recruiting people because you now believe it at the core of your being. You've been so deluded. Now, the Bible says that they were given over to their desires. And the Lord says that this is not the natural inclination of our heart. This is not our natural orientation as people. It's not. And people can say it is, whether it isn't, but when you go all the way over to indoctrination,

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  you've given your heart over to this level of evil. The people that are advocates for abortion, they don't just think it's the right thing, let the woman have a choice. No, they're all the way over the waterfall in advocacy for the killing. You can't be there. But I don't think a lot of people, Pat, really believe like she does. I think there's fakery in the liberal area. Can we play, and Vinnie has it up here? Yep. What Bill Maher said? This is just one sentence, two sentences, what he said, when he did his, remember when he pointed out, 6% of this generation, 12% of this generation, 10% of this gener-

• 1:06:51Speaker 00

  It's two minutes. I mean, we remember, we play, we remember watching this.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  No, I had him cue it to one point.

• 1:06:57Speaker 12

  And involves children. The answer can't always be that anyone from a marginalized community is automatically right, trump card, mic drop, end of discussion. Because we're literally experimenting on children. Maybe that's why Sweden and Finland have stopped giving puberty blockers to kids. Because we just don't know much about the long-term effects. Although common sense should tell you that when you reverse the course of raging hormones, there's going to be problems.

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  You're way off on the time point here.

• 1:07:26Speaker 12

  We do know-

• 1:07:26Speaker 00

  Okay, we can pause it, we remember this, we've seen this, but go ahead, Tom.

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  He made a comment where he says, "And recently, I'm at cocktail parties with Angelenos, saying it's somehow fashionable that your child is trans." That was a point that he made.

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  They missed the time, that that was all I wanted to get to.

• 1:07:42Speaker 00

  So, Adam, thoughts?

• 1:07:42Speaker 02

  I mean, this is the perfect case for virtue signaling that I've ever heard in my life. If you don't know what virtue signaling is, it's basically saying, "I'm with you, let me prove it. Let me tell you what a loser the son is, Pat." She tried her best to make him gay. I mean, what a disappointment this kid. She put him in high heels, she dressed him up in drag, he's doing Broadway shows, he's wearing skirts, and still, despite all that, he still likes women. Unbelievable. His name is Milo, and I heard that one day, he wants to get married and have kids. What a loser. Your mother is virtue signaling to the rest of Hollywood, what a disappointment you are,

• 1:08:26Speaker 02

  because you're not gay, Milo? Milo, do your best to make your mother proud and be gay. Maybe even be trans and cut it off. Because that's what Hollywood is at this point. And if you don't show up with, like, you know how they have those-

• 1:08:42Speaker 00

  It's a little too much.

• 1:08:43Speaker 02

  You know how they have those dogs in your purse? You don't show up with a gay son, you're not in the in-crow. And here's my thing, she's reading it, Pat, and that's a-

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  What a failure this son is.

• 1:08:51Speaker 02

  She's reading a teleprompter. But, if you have something to say and it's heartfelt, say it. She's reading as if she was instructed, like, hey-

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  Vinnie, that's the least of our words, whether she read it or felt it.

• 1:09:01Speaker 02

  No, Adam, no.

• 1:09:01Speaker 01

  The words that came out of her mouth are the most important.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  No, no, to me, you know what that means, Adam? She could've just said, "I wish I had a gay son," and just go off. She's reading it as a script, as an actress.

• 1:09:11Speaker 00

  Do you think, do you think, do you think she fully believes that? Or do you think she's trying to be funny a little?

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, she absolutely believes it, Pat, and she wants it.

• 1:09:18Speaker 00

  By the way, her son is apparently on a Disney show, got millions of followers, he's somebody, he's doing good for himself.

• 1:09:23Speaker 02

  Disney of all places.

• 1:09:24Speaker 00

  He loves his mom, and, you know, he, so, to me, look, to each his own, do your thing. Truly, to each his own. It's none of my business what you choose to do as an adult, and you live your life. But when it comes down to kids, I had Baba Chapek there, the former CEO of Disney, he was on the podcast last week. Can you pull up that chart that I showed to him? The chart about the amount of LGBTQ characters? Do you know when's the first time in Disney that a character said, "I'm gay?" 2019. Up until 2019, no character in Disney movies has ever said they're gay, never. But I want you to watch this here.

• 1:09:59Speaker 02

  Who was the first character?

• 1:10:00Speaker 00

  The blue is LGBTQ-

• 1:10:04Speaker 00

  Inclusive Disney films. Look at the spike. What was the spike prices?

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  During the Biden administration?

• 1:10:11Speaker 00

  And by the way, orange is valuation.

• 1:10:14Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:10:14Speaker 00

  And blue is characters. What is the highest valuation of Disney?

• 1:10:18Speaker 02

  Highest valuation was 2020.

• 1:10:20Speaker 00

  Okay. What happens in 2021?

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  It's dropped.

• 1:10:24Speaker 00

  No, no. But look at 2021. What spikes? LGBTQ characters. What happens to the stock?

• 1:10:31Speaker 02

  It goes bye bye.

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  There's a direct correlation between the wokeness.

• 1:10:33Speaker 00

  Direct correlation. Direct correlation. So I said, what happened here? What's the story here? And to summarize, it's worth watching the interview, especially for the parents that are... I asked him about this thing. And he says he wasn't with it at first. He's like, look, we got kids. And he says eventually he was kind of coerced and forced into taking a position. Because typically, whatever movies you do, they've already been budgeted and built four years previous to that. You know how we always hear about Kathleen Kennedy, Kathleen Kennedy, Kathleen Kennedy? I don't know that name we hear about. You know who didn't hire Kathleen Kennedy? Disney never hired Kathleen Kennedy. You know who hired Kathleen Kennedy? You actually know this?

• 1:11:13Speaker 00

  She's not part of Bob Iger's camp. So a lot of time we would be, be, uh, blame it on Bob Iger. Do you know where she comes from?

• 1:11:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, we talked about it.

• 1:11:21Speaker 00

  Oh, we did. Yeah, we talked about it. So when they bought Star Wars in 2012-ish, she was hired by George Lucas. So Kathleen Kennedy came from the Star Wars franchise. And she came with the deal. And I think her contract just didn't, is not going to get renewed or whatever, this year or last year. Something like that. But you just have to know, like, dude, you wonder why Disney franchise went from what it was to now parents are like, knock this shit off. Look what happened two years later to the characters. Look where they're at now, in 2024, 2025. They dropped off. But to see a business person watching this and Bob Iger put four board members in, those were Michael Eisner's people that he had, and they replaced and put his own people.

• 1:12:06Speaker 00

  And it's kind of like you want Supreme Court that you have any?

• 1:12:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:09Speaker 00

  So he put his own four in. You could do that as a new CEO. That's his job to put it in there. And then a couple of other guys that would come, Pearl, I don't know, Pearl, what was that guy's name, something Pearl?

• 1:12:17Speaker 01

  Promen?

• 1:12:18Speaker 00

  Ica, Pearl. These were a couple billionaires that were sitting on the board and they got ousted. Not, they didn't get ousted. They lost the influence. Bob Iger kept control and they're still doing what they're doing. And the new guy that came in, Josh DiAmaro. If you go to pushing this to kids, parents will get sick of it. And one of the reasons, if there's anything that causes me to think that Republicans are going to win in 2028, is because Democrats haven't learned that even Democrat parents don't want boys competing in women's sports. They haven't learned that even Democratic parents who are pro-choice, who are pro-choice, who want some of these entitlement programs for people,

• 1:13:00Speaker 00

  even they don't support these LGBT indoctrination and puberty. They don't support that. So until Democrats go back to common sense on this topic, they're going to keep losing their 5 to 10% of Democrats that they've had in a while. That they've had for a while. Yeah. I think it's a double dumb move. They don't get it.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  And can I give a disclaimer? Nobody, it sounds like we're going really hard on the LGBT community. None of us have a problem with gay people. I have gay friends. You used to tell stories about when you were in the army, you'd go to gay clubs. Like, none of us have a problem with gays, zero, in that regard. Where it gets to become an issue is when you start to trans the kids. And you start messing with the kids. And here's an example where Disney tried to basically indoctrinate the youth through movie characters and movies and doing all this. And they went woke and they went broke, just like Bud Light and just like Nike. And that's where you draw the line in the sand. But families, because you said this, this is ultimately my point. Who is this Disney's customer? It's the parents, not just the kids, right?

• 1:14:01Speaker 02

  But can I ask you a question though, Pat, really, really fast? Do you guys think in 2020, if a Democrat comes into power, this type of stuff isn't going to keep happening? Like, it won't, it won't come back?

• 1:14:10Speaker 00

  By the way, I hope so. No, no, no, no. I hope they campaign on it.

• 1:14:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:16Speaker 00

  I hope they campaign on it. I truly do. I hope they campaign on it. Like even when I had Governor Westmore here and I asked him the question, he said, my son would never be gay. But he wouldn't go all to say that this is too much. He wouldn't do it because he knows. So they're all worried about where the money and the influence is going to come. But I hope they continue the same playbook. Keep doing it because common sense is going to go a very different direction. Okay. Heating oil. Let's tell the story because this is truly concerning a lot of different people. Especially in the Northeast of what could happen. A lot of people talk about diesel. They talk about gas prices. But heating oil bill is expected to jump. Ready? 31.3% this winter.

• 1:14:56Speaker 00

  With Northeast households averaging nearly $2,300. Averaging $2,300. So let's kind of go through this. Heating oil households will pay an average of $2,300 between mid-November and mid-March. A 31.3% increase from last winter. The National Energy Assistant Director Association projected nearly 4.8 million US homes. Ready? 4.8 million US homes. Homes. How many people live per home? Two, four, five? 4.8 million US homes using heating oil, about 82% in the Northeast. The US war with Iran that began at the end of February disrupted shipping through the strait. Brent crude, the source of nearly all US heating oil, sat at 106 a barrel in mid-September.

• 1:15:41Speaker 00

  Up more than 30% from previous to when the war began. While the war may be thousands of miles away, families will feel it when the heating oil truck pulls into their driveways. Said NEADA Executive Director Mark Wolf. President Trump rejected Iran's plan to reopen the strait. And senators from both parties have asked him to release emergency heating oil. The American Gas Association projected gas households will pay about 14% less than last winter, averaging 497 versus 794 for electric space heating with record dry gas production expect in 2026. Uh, NEADA forecast overall winter heating costs rise more than 8.7% to a national average of 1030. Tom, thoughts on this?

• 1:16:24Speaker 01

  So let's go take a look at a chart. I just sent the guys a chart right here. Click on one year. Perfect. One year. Take a look at this, Pat. If you go down to February, at the end of last winter, Vinnie, $2.47, $2.38. You see that? Multiply that times two, 480. Go look at where we are right now. We're at 430, 436. You know what this means? It's going to be 2X. There it is, Pat. It's about to be 2X. At $4.80, it's exactly 2X last winter. So those people are going to have double the price of heating oil one winter to the next. That's, that's not sustainable. And earlier today, right after the jobs report,

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  President Trump called on Europe to release their surplus stocks of diesel because he's trying to bring more diesel into the market to help. Um, that's what's going on. So we are, we need a reversal, but Pat, I don't think we can get it. It takes about, say, said 75 days to turn the price based on...

• 1:17:28Speaker 00

  What do you think? We won't get it?

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  I don't think we're going to get a decrease unless it's artificial. It takes 75 days. 75 days today is what? November and October, November is 60 days. And then, you know, that's December 10th. Here comes winter. You know, you're going to see how cold it is and just watching playoff games. Baseball, it's going to be down into the 50s.

• 1:17:50Speaker 00

  Guys got to remind me of that place.

• 1:17:52Speaker 01

  Time for... So I'm, I saw this coming and I'm really, I'm really heavy about it because this is really...

• 1:18:00Speaker 00

  This is real because this is going to really impact the consumer.

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  2X.

• 1:18:03Speaker 00

  2X. That's real cost that we're talking about. And so, Tom, when this happens, you know, to some, what percentage of these 4.8 million households do you think it will impact directly? Not, of course, it's 100% of them, but which one of them are going to be like, turn off the heater? You know, let's do this. Wear more clothes. What percentage you think can even financially afford this increase?

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  Probably about 60% because a lot of people are on natural gas in newer home communities and the the heating oil is in some of the older communities and older homes. So, you know, I'm going to say there's probably a full third, that's going to be my guess, a full third of the customers in the Northeast have limited budgets and can't take that hit. So

• 1:18:53Speaker 00

  Vinnie, thoughts on this?

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  I'm going back to it. So Tom, this is all coming from what? Why the, why the drastic increase?

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  Refining cost and the cost per barrel of oil. Cost per barrel of oil is about 60% of the increase in gasoline. The other is the increase in refining costs, also known as 321 crack spread. Those two things are there. We've closed refineries in California. We closed a refinery on the Gulf Coast. We have not built new refineries or refinery capacity. So the refining is up. The cost to refine is up because of shortage of factories to refine it. But then $99, I think today.

• 1:19:30Speaker 02

  Is a barrel?

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  I think it's 99 a barrel.

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:19:33Speaker 03

  So what, Tommy, what are you just saying? It's supply and demand?

• 1:19:36Speaker 02

  So, well, it's, I think.

• 1:19:37Speaker 01

  No, no, it's, it's, yes, it's supply of oil, but it's also supply of refining. And it's going to take a while to, to turn this because even if you brought the price of oil down, you're only going to get about 60% of the increase in cost for gasoline diesel down.

• 1:19:51Speaker 02

  So is it safe to say the short-term pain for the long-term game? It's not going to be a short-term pain, Tom. This is going to take a long time. This is going to be a long-term pain because they have to build it. No, they have to.

• 1:20:01Speaker 01

  I hope that there's some artificial means to do it. It doesn't appear that the natural market forces are going to be able to turn the corner on this until maybe the second half of the winter and it's not going to go down to where it was last January.

• 1:20:14Speaker 00

  Adam?

• 1:20:15Speaker 03

  Well, uh, being that I'm from Miami, I've never had to worry about a heating bill. So this is not something I'm familiar with. I will say that winter is coming for all you people out there and you might want to get a nice jacket like the one Vinnie is wearing to stay warm. But can we touch on the story that is right above that one? Where it talks about the everyday cost increase and the high gas prices that are spurring states, states to waive taxes and regulations amid, uh, midterms, which kind of I think correlates with this story. Which in my interpretation, this is a great move that certain states are doing. You know how they say that like all politics are local? Yes, we acknowledge that, uh, prices are up. Tom taught me a lot about Brent oil and West Texas oil and.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  Dubai oil.

• 1:20:57Speaker 03

  Dubai oil. Tom was teaching me all this stuff. Touch could.

• 1:20:59Speaker 01

  It's like wine.

• 1:21:00Speaker 03

  By the way, your, your, your, your clip on, uh, uh, that you put on VT is like a half a million views. It was great. It was a.

• 1:21:06Speaker 01

  Oh, on gasoline?

• 1:21:07Speaker 03

  On gasoline. It was great. But what, what I found interesting is that certain states can do certain measurements to actually lower the cost. It says about one-third of US states have implemented some form of fuel tax relief. But here's the catch, and this is where politics get into it. Most of those states, if not all, are Republican states. They're red states. Governors in Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma and Texas have all provided fuel tax relief for their agriculture and have helped lower tax costs.

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  Trucks and tractors on farm.

• 1:21:44Speaker 03

  Because they actually want to help their people. Now, in my opinion, why are the blue states not helping their people? We all know that California, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, who all trend incredibly blue. Why don't they lower the cost for their people? Because in my opinion, they want their people.

• 1:22:02Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:22:03Speaker 03

  To feel the increase of costs.

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  Feel the pain.

• 1:22:06Speaker 03

  And say, Trump did this to you.

• 1:22:08Speaker 01

  Bad orange man.

• 1:22:08Speaker 03

  We're not going to do anything, nothing to lower the costs. We're going to actually hold up this price and make you suffer more.

• 1:22:16Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:22:16Speaker 03

  So this is where this gets a real tricky situation.

• 1:22:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, so.

• 1:22:20Speaker 03

  Each of these states are helping their people.

• 1:22:22Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:22:22Speaker 03

  In red states, blue states are doing nothing.

• 1:22:24Speaker 00

  Let me give you this here. The NEADA says low-income Northeast households alone are expected to pay almost $1.1 billion more in heating this winter. You divide it apart, that's around 878 increase average. That points to an order of magnitude of around 1.2 to 1.3 million low-income oil heated households. So then if I'm asking a question and saying, who are these people? Who gets hit hard? Seniors and people living in fixed incomes, which makes sense, households under roughly 60K a year. And I ask what percentage is under 60K a year? Uh, the EIA 2024 data shows energy rises, approximately 64% of households under 10,000.

• 1:23:05Speaker 00

  58% of households, 10 to 41% at 30 to 60,000 reported some form of energy insecurity. Above 100,000, it drops dramatically. Okay, so makes sense. Above 100,000, you're still going to be fine. At the 60,000 number, that's going to be, um, impact. Houses already behind on utility bills.

• 1:23:26Speaker 00

  NEADA estimates that about 21.5 million US households, roughly 1 in 6 are already behind on energy bills. Damn. Did you know that?

• 1:23:35Speaker 03

  I did not know that.

• 1:23:36Speaker 00

  I did not know that. Did you hear the number?

• 1:23:38Speaker 02

  Find?

• 1:23:38Speaker 00

  Vinnie, 1 in 6 households in America right now are behind on energy bills, not credit cards.

• 1:23:46Speaker 02

  Just owning, just owing money to.

• 1:23:48Speaker 00

  Scary. So 1 in 6, 21 and a half million households are behind on energy bills. Low-income households currently spend about 8.6% of their income on household energy versus 3% for other households. And people in New England, this is extremely concentrated geographically in an AIA 2020 data. Roughly 53% of Maine and Vermont households, 43% in New Hampshire, 40% in Connecticut, 32% Rhode Island, 26% in Massachusetts receive fuel oil deliveries. Maine was still around 50% dependent on heating oil in 2024. Last but not least is old folks homes, old homeowners, old homeowners. Heating goes much more common in the older northeastern. This is, we're praying for you.

• 1:24:31Speaker 00

  Uh, this, you know, hopefully they figure this part out and some states find ways to get creative with this. But I, I kind of, um, I kind of agree that, uh, they're gonna, they're not going to let this happen because they need this crisis to blame it on Trump. They need this. There's no way in the world they're going to fix it.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  Choose not to drive. You can't choose not to freeze.

• 1:24:49Speaker 00

  No, this, this is, this, okay, let's go to the next story. Next story I want to get to is, I really want to get into that baseball story, but I'll get into that at the end. The story I want to get into next is, uh, Adam, are you feeling this? Are you feeling Uber delays right now? There's a story that says Uber wait times rise 20% as prices climb 53%. So let me read this and you tell me and others as well. Can you run a poll real quick asking folks, is anybody increasing in, uh, prices in Uber and delays? Yes, no, I don't take Uber and Lyft. Okay, or put, I take Lyft. Just kind of put that question in there. Watch this. The time between Uber matching the driver.

• 1:25:28Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:25:29Speaker 00

  And the car arriving grew by 19% from Q1 and Q2023, same time period. While price per mile, price per mile is up 53%. A new analysis by Len Sherman from, uh, Executive in Residence at Columbia Business School. You're charging more for less, Sherman said. The analysis relies on a number of inaccuracies. And Uber spokesperson countered, Sherman examined 37,500 trips in six cities. Wait time in roads in five, including Atlanta, Dallas, Houston and Tampa. The data doesn't include waiting for Uber to pair a driver. By definition, it's an underestimate, Sherman said. Once cash burning to acquire users, Uber has used up-front pricing to become profitable by charging riders more

• 1:26:13Speaker 00

  and paying drivers less, Sherman contends. By raising wait times and prices, Uber risks customer relationship as an AI gen and lets riders compare prices with rivals. The 2026 Axios Harris Poll 100 ranked Uber 72nd on reputation, down from 58. Are you experiencing that or not at all?

• 1:26:31Speaker 03

  I haven't felt anything and I'll tell you why. Uh, when they say that the Uber wait time is up 19%, that means if it typically takes you four minutes to get an Uber, now it's going to take you five minutes.

• 1:26:41Speaker 00

  But have you felt that?

• 1:26:42Speaker 03

  No, because if you order an Uber, you, you know that the Uber is not going to magically show up in 10 seconds.

• 1:26:49Speaker 00

  I understand that.

• 1:26:49Speaker 03

  So it's going to take five minutes.

• 1:26:51Speaker 00

  Eight minutes or 10 minutes?

• 1:26:52Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:26:53Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:26:53Speaker 03

  I haven't felt that.

• 1:26:54Speaker 00

  The prices going up.

• 1:26:54Speaker 03

  No, and I'll give you exactly. Today, uh, I took an Uber here this morning.

• 1:26:59Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:26:59Speaker 03

  I scheduled ahead and.

• 1:27:01Speaker 02

  Which is very important, but a lot of people don't realize you could, the night before you go to sleep, set it up to pick you up exactly so you don't have to worry about.

• 1:27:08Speaker 00

  And does the driver get to pick it earlier or no?

• 1:27:10Speaker 03

  Absolutely. This guy showed up at my house. He's, he's supposed to pick me up at 7:30.

• 1:27:15Speaker 01

  Alert to the driver.

• 1:27:16Speaker 03

  On the dot earlier. Like it'll back up so many minutes.

• 1:27:19Speaker 00

  That's interesting.

• 1:27:20Speaker 03

  Yeah. So that it gets to you at the time you want. So you guys would never drive Uber to answer for me guys.

• 1:27:26Speaker 00

  He comes on time.

• 1:27:27Speaker 03

  He comes on time. He waits for me. It cost me 40 bucks to get from Miami.

• 1:27:30Speaker 00

  How much was it a year ago?

• 1:27:32Speaker 03

  Same exact price. I have not felt it and I take Ubers and Lifts more than anybody.

• 1:27:36Speaker 00

  So.

• 1:27:37Speaker 03

  I'm, because what they're doing is they're probably, um, they're not going to raise the cost on the consumer because the consumer is already getting pinched. To me, I've saved so much money on Lyft and Uber. The, you just did a whole breakdown. How much does the average person spend on a car vehicle total for the year? $12,000?

• 1:27:53Speaker 01

  Uh, yes, $1,072 a month.

• 1:27:55Speaker 03

  Okay, so $13,000.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:27:57Speaker 03

  I would have to take Ubers left and right up my wazoo to spend 10 to 12,000 dollars on Uber right there. And I'll do it for you. Today I'll break down the price of what it costs me to get.

• 1:28:07Speaker 00

  Actually, no, I don't know about that. I don't know about that because if you, if you take, how many Ubers? How much money you spend on Uber per month?

• 1:28:14Speaker 03

  Uh, about 500 bucks.

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  Wait, are you sure? 40 there, 40 back.

• 1:28:20Speaker 00

  That's 80 just coming here once. If you come here twice.

• 1:28:23Speaker 03

  I, I.

• 1:28:24Speaker 00

  You get a ride back to Miami?

• 1:28:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:26Speaker 00

  Okay, so you get creative.

• 1:28:27Speaker 03

  I drive with Jaden on the way back because he's here and we drive back together.

• 1:28:30Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 1:28:31Speaker 03

  So it's, and I'm here three days a week.

• 1:28:32Speaker 00

  So you spend 500, you spend 500 bucks on Uber.

• 1:28:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, but that's also, so like, let's look at it this way. Uh, if I wanted to go, if I had my car, like this weekend I went out and, and this past weekend, you go out to an event in South Beach, I'm going to have to spend 20 bucks on valet anyway. The Uber to get me there costed 12 bucks. I'm saving $8. Okay? The gas is going to cost me how much these days? So people really need to take a look at how much they're spending on their vehicles. If you can get by and without having a car and how much again, does the average person spending a month, Tom?

• 1:29:07Speaker 01

  12, 50.

• 1:29:08Speaker 03

  $1,072. That's $13,000 a year. You'd have to be very hard pressed to spend $13,000 a year on an Uber or Lyft. That's what I would say. Here's a breakdown of the pricing. If you just want to know what happened to me today. The receipt, here we go. Uh, the, the trip fare was $30. The booking fee was $9. So Uber's taking nine bucks off the top. They're getting their money. I give the guy a $5 tip and the guy waited for me a little bit longer. They charged me one extra, one extra dollar. So it turned out to be $45 all in tip, tax, this, that, the other. So.

• 1:29:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I, point is, I Uber more than anybody. I haven't felt it at all.

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• 1:31:04Speaker 00

  That, that's, that's a very, uh, uh, uh, serious thing to look at because if the economics doesn't work for Uber and the drivers long-term, they have to raise the prices.

• 1:31:17Speaker 03

  Oh, I think I have a whole.

• 1:31:18Speaker 00

  Have a choice.

• 1:31:18Speaker 03

  I have a whole opinion on what's gonna happen to drivers, and this is my opinion.

• 1:31:22Speaker 00

  Driverless?

• 1:31:23Speaker 03

  Oh, if you're in America and you speak English and you're a normal person, if your sole job is an Uber driver, buddy, you gotta go back to the drawing board. Because in America, in Miami, 98% of the drivers I have, and I Uber and Lyft every single day, no habla inglés at all. Zero. So they're coming to take your jobs. These are immigrants who have been here 10, 15, 20 minutes, and they're coming to take your jobs. So if you're an American who has brains and has, uh, a will to improve, you can't just be an Uber driver.

• 1:31:57Speaker 00

  Let me tell you what.

• 1:31:58Speaker 03

  You're going to get replaced.

• 1:31:58Speaker 00

  Let me tell you what our audience said, okay? 40% said yes, prices have increased and weight has increased. 42% said no increase. 17% said they take Lyft. Okay, so they take Lyft.

• 1:32:13Speaker 03

  It's the same thing. Lyft and Uber is the same thing. And actually, I would encourage people, what I do is, you know, you know, when, when any, you have a rule here. I've learned a lot from PBD. If you're gonna get a price, how many options?

• 1:32:23Speaker 00

  Three.

• 1:32:23Speaker 03

  Three options. There's really only Lyft and Uber. I check Lyft and Uber every single time I don't order a car, and it's usually dramatic price difference. So this morning Lyft was gonna charge me 60 to get here. Uber charged me 40. What do I go with? I go with the Uber. On the way back, it actually changes. So I, I don't know what kind of mechanism they're using. Whenever Lyft is a certain price, uh, Uber will, uh,

• 1:32:47Speaker 07

  undercut them.

• 1:32:48Speaker 03

  Undercut them or do the, the, if you're just ordering Uber blindly and not checking Lyft, you're actually probably spending this amount of money. I guess the reason that I'm not noticing this, Pat, is because I'm shopping the market and saying, it costs me 40 to take Uber and 60 to take Lyft.

• 1:33:03Speaker 00

  But also the business owner has to find a way to make it profitable for them. If, if they don't pass down the prices, they have to find a way to make money.

• 1:33:15Speaker 03

  What do you mean the business owner?

• 1:33:15Speaker 00

  The Uber.

• 1:33:16Speaker 03

  Well, I think Uber is like losing money a hand over fist.

• 1:33:19Speaker 00

  Exactly my point.

• 1:33:20Speaker 03

  So yeah, I don't know what they're doing is.

• 1:33:21Speaker 00

  Well, what?

• 1:33:21Speaker 03

  And it's only gonna get worse as these, as these Waymo.

• 1:33:23Speaker 00

  Waymo. Let me get to the next story.

• 1:33:25Speaker 03

  I think Uber might be cooked.

• 1:33:26Speaker 00

  Next one I want to get to is Krista Pike. So this story is a, you know, very weird story with Krista Pike. So this girl, who many years ago, uh, uh, I don't know what the timeline was, 25, 30 years ago, her and her boyfriend, he, she gets upset at another girl, and she decides to go and get the girl, I think, I don't know what it was, they kill her, hits the head, grabs a piece from the skull, she ends up bragging about the piece that she has, and she shows her to her friends. She gets arrested. She gets the, uh, uh, what do you call it? A death penalty. And in the state of Tennessee, they tried to take her out twice. It fails both times. And this is the second time that it's happened in Tennessee.

• 1:34:09Speaker 00

  And other stories are what's gonna be happening. The lawyers coming back saying it's the state's fault. I cannot believe you did this. People are coming out and saying, poor girl, poor her, can't believe she went through this. That is not fair. Uh, and that's, I'm summarizing the story for you. But Vinny, I'll come to you first with this story.

• 1:34:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and just to add to it, and, uh, uh, Connor, you have that graph, a graphic that I sent you about Colleen, yeah, Colleen Slummer. Pat, check this out. Pentagram carved into her chest while she was still alive, okay? 300 cuts on the face, neck, chest, abdomen, back, and arms. Six inches gap in room, uh, uh, across the middle of her neck, penetrating fat muscle. But this is a violent, violent attack from a female, okay? Multiple extensive skull fractures from at least four, a blow to the head, two on the left side, one to the right eye, one above her nose area. Head injuries rendered her face unrecognizable. They couldn't even tell if it, like, they had to obviously check, boy or girl. Identification made part by dental records. You understand how bad that is?

• 1:35:05Speaker 02

  Bruises and cuts all over the, the majority of her body, dirt and debris, because they mean like, oh, sorry. Um, she was dragged, clothing removed, and defensive wounds on her arms, meaning she was fighting. She was fighting the whole time. Okay, they tortured her, they beat her. And in prison, Pat, uh, you think that she would be a changed woman? In 2001, she tried to strangle another inmate with a shoelace. Years later, she was recorded, Tommy, saying that she would do it again, and that the next time she would succeed. Okay, so this is, here's my thing, Pat. Evil person, even all that aside, I do feel, because as a Christian guy, I feel bad. This is, when you're supposed to go, you're gonna go, meaning the execution should just go. Why are we still doing the lethal injection, Tom?

• 1:35:48Speaker 02

  Even, even, remember the movie Green Mile? Well, you know, sometimes it messes up if it's not this or if it's not that. Just firing squad. Do a firing squad. I have never heard of a firing squad where the person lived later on to tell stories, or they were bruising and everything like that. And, and there was other reports, Pat, that she refused eating. She didn't want her, her final meal, and for some reason she was not drinking, she was dehydrated, which makes the, uh, the vein search very, very hard, and apparently they, they were having trouble, uh, doing it. This is, by the way, she's been in jail for a long time. This is a evil person that I hope and I pray, turn to God, because a lot of people in there have a lot of time on their hands. Okay, she seems like an evil person, Pat. I can hope and pray that she came to Christ, but this is not a good person.

• 1:36:31Speaker 02

  Okay, and I feel bad that it wasn't clean. They need to change the freaking way that they're killing people.

• 1:36:35Speaker 00

  You know, you know, it was a few people that were involved. So she, apparently she was thinking that this girl, Colleen, was trying to take her boyfriend away.

• 1:36:42Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:36:42Speaker 00

  From her. So she teams up with her, her and her boyfriend, Todd, Tadarel Ship, and another lady named Shadola Peterson, lured Colleen to a secluded area near the University of Tennessee Agricultural Campus in Knoxville. And then that's where they beat her and tortured her, et cetera, et cetera. Horrible.

• 1:37:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:02Speaker 00

  Tragic event that takes place. And the case became especially notorious because of the extreme brutality, and because Pike later kept a piece of the skull.

• 1:37:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:10Speaker 00

  As a trophy. Yeah, that's exactly what she did. Now let me continue with this. Shadora, Shadola Peterson, her friend,

• 1:37:19Speaker 00

  got away, got off. Nothing happened to her. She got, uh, she did not receive a long prison sentence. She cooperated with prosecutors against, testified against Krista Pike and Tadarel Ship. She ultimately pleaded guilty, yeah, to being an accessory after the fact, and received probation, rather than a murder conviction, carrying a lengthy prison term. Contemporary summaries commonly describe her original sentence as six years suspended to probation only. So even though she was involved in the murder, she got up because she said everything about what her friend did, right?

• 1:37:51Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:37:52Speaker 00

  And then, uh, when you, when you go a little bit deeper of what they did, Krista Pike was treated as a principal killer. Evidence shows she had talked beforehand about wanting to kill Colleen. Slummer participated throughout the prolonged assault, and Slummer's throat, multiple times, cut the throat, beat her, ultimately smashed her.

• 1:38:08Speaker 02

  And I want, and, and, and I'm not saying we're glossing over it. Do you guys understand if, with all the things that I said about what they did, the pentagram while she was alive? If you crack somebody's head open with asphalt, and you actually go and you take a piece of the skull, and you're showing it off to people at school, you are evil. There is no, I was fun, I was having a good time, I was young and dumb, absolute. No, Adam, seriously, that's evil. I know we're talking about college girls making mistakes and whatever, and the drugs. This is a different story. When you're taking off a piece of the head and showing it in school, Tom, it doesn't get more evil than that. You're bragging about murdering this innocent girl.

• 1:38:48Speaker 01

  And this is where I, I have fault with our criminal justice system. First of all, how much evidence do you need to get a murder conviction? And yet you're willing to give a person that was involved in it probation for testifying against the killer? Are you kidding me? It, you usually do that when you need the witness, when you need something. I don't know what more you need if she's in possession of a piece of the skull. Gee, ma'am, where did you get that? And I, I understand our appellate process, but this is where, you know, the, the courts became so clogged, Pat, that they developed what's called the Rocket Docket. The docket of cases coming up. They said, some of these cases just need to go fast so that the people can be served, because we, the people, need the court

• 1:39:34Speaker 01

  to be handling cases for the service of the people by finding criminals guilty and doing all the things they're supposed to do, or by finding the wrongly accused innocent. That's what the court's supposed to do. I think there should be a Rocket Docket on death row, because what you have here is you have people on death row who has strangled somebody on death row with a shoelace and says, hey, check, next time I would have got it right and killed you, because she's in there for her life without parole. She's, and that she's on the death penalty. So she's a danger to other inmates.

• 1:40:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:03Speaker 01

  Who may be there for a lesser crime. So I think you just gotta get it over with, and the incompetency of the state to administer this. There is a whole bunch of stuff that goes into the lethal injection, folk, that I won't talk about, in, in that they understand the size, weight, composition, everything, you know, of the person that there's going to be injected, and yet they get it wrong. You know, why don't you just outsource to a gangbanger? They off each other with a single shot.

• 1:40:33Speaker 03

  I actually have a.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  I just popped a cap in his head, and it was that.

• 1:40:36Speaker 02

  And there's that.

• 1:40:37Speaker 01

  That's it. And you know what? In the state of Florida, they used to use the, uh, uh, the electric chair. The electric chair was undefeated. You know, you had a record of 296 and 0, so you don't beat the electric chair. And they thought it was inhumane, because, Pat, you, you bring in witnesses for executions, and apparently, um, smoke poured and then flames from the head of Jesse Taffaro in 1990, and again for Pedro Medina in 1997. So people were upset about that, and the proponents were saying, well, it means that the electricity is working.

• 1:41:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:12Speaker 01

  And then in 1999, they stopped it. However, in the state of Florida, You can choose Old Sparky because it is still held in a small room, ready to go. And if you don't want the lethal injection in Florida, you can select Old Sparky. But my point is, just do it.

• 1:41:30Speaker 00

  I want to show you this. I want to show you this a couple of things. By the way, the boyfriend to Daryl got off and he just got life because he was 17 at the time. And he's the one that prevented her from running away twice, escaping twice. And records show that he gagged Slammer and inflicted some of the cuts and wounds. So he got away because he was under 17, under 18 years old. And, and this is the lawyer talking about the failure. I think yesterday he talked, this is her lawyer. Listen to what he had to say. Go for it.

• 1:41:57Speaker 13

  We start by saying, Krista is alive right now. We do know that, that she is, is alive right now and receiving, um, life-saving medical care. The state of Tennessee has shown us again that they are not capable of carrying out an execution consistent with basic human dignity. Last night was not just inefficient, it was cruel and it was torturous. It was also predictable. Krista's legal team told the state of Tennessee and the courts that her medical conditions would cause her to suffer an agonizing death. The state and the court dismiss Krista's concerns. The governor's call for an independent review does not go far enough.

• 1:42:39Speaker 13

  After having endured solitary confinement for more than 20 years and a full attempt to kill, kill her by lethal injection, Krista has endured punishment greater than any other person in the history of the American death penalty. The governor must commute Krista's sentence now.

• 1:42:56Speaker 00

  So can you do me a favor and play the other clip on what they think is going to be happening? Because what some people are saying is they're going to use double jeopardy to get away and she's going to get off. And, and this is a very good breakdown. Go for it.

• 1:43:05Speaker 14

  It happens a lot in death penalty cases, these last minute hail marys to try to prevent the death penalty for occurring. And sometimes it goes all the way up to the Supreme Court or to the federal circuit court, like it did in this instance as well. So there might be a lot of breeze fall, but I don't think it's going to really over, override the punishment. I've heard a lot about double jeopardy. This is not double jeopardy. She was already convicted. Um, she was already sentenced. There, there's no double jeopardy here. It, it's really an eighth amendment issue where there's cruel and unusual to do this again to her. You know, as an individual and under Tennessee law, it would be at this time because they already tried twice. But I think in past cases, they've waited like a year when mistakes or unsuccessful of, uh, killing a defendant have happened. So I think that's probably the most likely thing to occur.

• 1:43:49Speaker 00

  And by the way, it's weird because they had this happen again earlier, just four months ago. Tony Von Carruthers, execution aborted before lethal drugs were administered because the team couldn't establish the backup line. Can you imagine that? And this is all happening while Tennessee is trying to find out what their next governor is. And this has become a topic of discussion in the governor race that they're having.

• 1:44:08Speaker 01

  I think, uh, Tennessee might need to take a lesson from Tehran and just do what Tehran does and just hang people from the noose. You mean, all know that the Islamic Republic of Iran is the best at that. They're leading the league in hanging innocent dissenters. So just do what's proven to get done and do like Iran does and hang people up.

• 1:44:29Speaker 00

  She smiles as if she's proud she did this. She's like, it doesn't look like anything changed. Like, yeah, we'll do it again. And she deserved it. And look at the smile on her face. Hey guys, how you doing? You know?

• 1:44:39Speaker 02

  And, and look how rich. Is that her on the left?

• 1:44:41Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:44:41Speaker 02

  No, on the right. Who's on the left? I think the writer of the article.

• 1:44:44Speaker 00

  It's like Tulsi Gabbard's cousin.

• 1:44:45Speaker 02

  But how, yeah, but how rich, like how, and I get it, it's her lawyer. But how rich is it that he had the audacity to say that the way that they're trying to kill her was cruel and torturous? Give me a, but you know what?

• 1:44:58Speaker 01

  This is why lawyers get a. Vinny, I'm going to defend him. I'm going to defend him and here's why. He is a criminal defense attorney who is supposed to use all means possible for them. That's his job. So don't criticize, don't criticize him for his job. You can say, how could you be a criminal defense attorney? That's valid. And I think it takes a special kind of person to contrive what is also lying.

• 1:45:20Speaker 02

  Lindsay Clancy's attorney? Are you ready for this? However, you killed the person that you killed, that's how we're going to kill you. And the family gets to watch if, if they want to. If that, you want to put fear. Hammurabi's code? No, well, if you want to put fear in people's hearts, oh, we got, we caught you and you kill. Oh, you put a pentagram on her and then you beat her to death? You're going to die that way.

• 1:45:37Speaker 01

  Or just give her cellmate a shoelace.

• 1:45:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:45:40Speaker 01

  Hey, she tried to kill you with this. It's a stronger one.

• 1:45:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, unbelievable.

• 1:45:44Speaker 00

  This would make a very interesting interview, sitting with her to see how somebody gets to this point. All right. What time do we got? 11:02. Okay. We got a couple of stories that I'm going to go with as well. Uh, next story here is MLB.

• 1:45:58Speaker 00

  Uh, so the, the, the Red Sox apparently played against the Yankees. Twice. Twice. And Tom, you told me that they won. The Yankees won, they advanced.

• 1:46:06Speaker 01

  Yankees won?

• 1:46:07Speaker 00

  Yankees. Very interesting angles on the story. The pitcher for the Red Sox, Sonny Gray, who used to play for the Yankees, came up with the Oakland A's, right? Played for the Yankees and all of a sudden the market's like, what the hell is this pine tar on his neck? And I don't know if you guys have seen this or not, and he keeps wiping, look at this. On the, on the right side of his neck, right there, right there. You see what he wiped? To be able to, you know, to, to have a little bit more velocity.

• 1:46:34Speaker 01

  And grip.

• 1:46:34Speaker 00

  And grip because the weather's cold, right? So they're saying, this is what was going on. In the post-game interview, uh, and by the way, the other guy for them, who is, uh, who is the guy that, uh, Conqueror, who hits the homerun, takes him 28, 29 seconds to go. At the end, he was walking. They're like, you're, you're walking as if you are ahead or winning. And Sonny Gray is doing the interview afterwards. And look what he had to say. Go for it.

• 1:46:56Speaker 15

  I think I'm the best pitcher in the American league, going through the order the third time.

• 1:47:03Speaker 00

  Still does the funny commentating.

• 1:47:04Speaker 16

  I'll back it up. Sonny Gray, you are an absolute joke.

• 1:47:08Speaker 00

  In the American league.

• 1:47:10Speaker 16

  He talks shit about the Yankees, saying, I never wanted to go there in the first place. It feels good to me to go to a place where it's easy to hate the Yankees. And even with all that confidence he claims he has, he comes into Yankee Stadium with pine tar over his neck and does a terrible job of it.

• 1:47:23Speaker 00

  Pause it, pause it right there. Gonna go back a little bit and pause it right there. Go back a little bit. Look at that. By the way.

• 1:47:30Speaker 01

  Nah, I just did a shower and weep, sir.

• 1:47:32Speaker 00

  Do you know what's my favorite part of the story? Let me tell you what's my favorite part of the story. This is all leading to my favorite part of the story. Do you know the pitcher for the Yankees that Tom says is probably going to win the Cy Young and potentially the MVP?

• 1:47:43Speaker 01

  Cam Schlittler?

• 1:47:43Speaker 00

  Okay. Do you know what's the special story about Cam? Do you know his background?

• 1:47:46Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:47:47Speaker 00

  Do you know when he was coming up? You know what city he's from?

• 1:47:49Speaker 02

  Boston?

• 1:47:50Speaker 00

  He wanted, his dream was to play for the Red Sox and they turned him down.

• 1:47:54Speaker 02

  Oh, what a great story.

• 1:47:56Speaker 00

  So he goes and plays for the Yankees, right? And when he plays for the Yankees, can I share some stats with you, just so you know?

• 1:48:04Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:48:04Speaker 00

  In the game that he had playing against the Red Sox, he pitched for 6.1 innings, okay? 10 strikeouts, zero earned run, nothing. He gave up nothing, but that's not the big deal. He finished with 117 pitches in the game. 117 pitches. The last time a Yankees pitcher pitched 117 pitches in a game was in 2012. It was a guy named C.C.

• 1:48:30Speaker 01

  Sabatia.

• 1:48:31Speaker 00

  This is not a common thing. Tom can tell you 117 pitches today is unheard of today. This is not a new, no, no, it's not. But let me tell you what gets even more exciting about this. Across two postseason starts against the Red Sox, he's pitched, he's given zero runs, 22 strikeouts. And out of his six career starts against the Red Sox, six career starts against the Red Sox. Guess what his ERA is against six games against the Red Sox?

• 1:49:00Speaker 01

  Point nine?

• 1:49:01Speaker 00

  I mean, point five is his ERA.

• 1:49:04Speaker 01

  Anything lower than 2.0, ridiculous.

• 1:49:07Speaker 00

  Like that's insane to me on what he does. So this guy is sitting there and he's being interviewed. I don't know if you guys saw the interview, what he says. He says, listen, if you want to be a legend in this game, I don't know if you guys saw this or not. And for, for the kids that play sports and you got things that's going on. This is the mentality that I love, boys. I'm sending it to you. If you can play this clip, I send it to Vinny. I didn't send it to you guys. I'm going to send it to you for you to play this clip. It's a different clip. In this clip, he's being interviewed after the pitching game that it apparently had. I didn't watch it, but he, so he, so he says in this interview, he, he's just talking very ice cold, very regular, okay? Very calm. And he says the following, folks, I want you to watch this. Play this clip for your kids.

• 1:49:50Speaker 00

  Let your kids see this. Okay? Watch this. Go ahead. Play this from the beginning if you can. Refresh it. Refresh it one more time. Watch this. Get the mute button as well. There you go. Your position perfect.

• 1:50:01Speaker 15

  Again, the job's not done. We gotta get another win tomorrow, but. I mean, yeah, I mean, again, the job's not done. We gotta get another win tomorrow, but. I mean, it's very well known that, you know, if you want to be a legend, which is obviously the goal, um, you gotta do it in the postseason.

• 1:50:19Speaker 01

  Damn right.

• 1:50:20Speaker 15

  Have dominant starts and, and put the team in a position to win. And that's kind of the most important thing. I thought a lot of guys today did a great job of that and we're definitely heading in the right direction.

• 1:50:29Speaker 00

  Don't you love that mindset to have a mindset like that?

• 1:50:32Speaker 01

  You're saying this is the guy who grew up being a Boston Red Sox.

• 1:50:35Speaker 00

  This guy's dream was to play for the Red Sox and he plays for.

• 1:50:39Speaker 01

  Spoiler alert.

• 1:50:40Speaker 00

  It's, it's like you're, you're, you grew up a Muslim, you become a Christian and you wanted to be an Imam and you become a, do you, that's how divergent New York and the Red Sox are. The Red Sox, the Red Sox, the two, it is a religion for these guys. It is a religion for these guys. And then Ben Rice, who to me looks just like Roger Maris. You know, hit, did he hit a grand, grand slam or something like, some people told me Ben Rice hit a grand slam or he had a big homerun.

• 1:51:03Speaker 01

  By the way, how great is that, Pat?

• 1:51:05Speaker 00

  Yankees did hit a grand slam. By the way, this is his upbringing. That's him. Ben Rice to the left.

• 1:51:09Speaker 02

  He's a designated hitter. And how awesome is the decision as the New York Yankees, not to, Aaron Judge has been wanting to come back, Stan wants to come back. They're in the, they're in the dugout, but they're not letting him come back.

• 1:51:19Speaker 00

  Can I tell you a good story though? This is the good story, Vinny, that we have to tell.

• 1:51:22Speaker 01

  You have to.

• 1:51:23Speaker 00

  One of the pitchers from the Red Sox, his name is Peyton Toll. It may be Toley. Peyton Toley. There's two clips that Vinny brought up. Can you do me a favor and bring these two clips up? Okay, two of them. Go to the first one that shows when he's being picked up and going to the major league. This is the clip of him being told, you're about to pitch your first big major league baseball game. Look at the reaction. Go for it.

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• 1:53:00Speaker 17

  Tomorrow.

• 1:53:03Speaker 17

  There's a game here Pirates versus the Red Sox. Paul Skeens versus TBD. We were thinking of turning that TBD into Toly.

• 1:53:12Speaker 01

  Bro.

• 1:53:16Speaker 17

  Don't forget.

• 1:53:18Speaker 00

  Isn't that great? Don't you love this guy?

• 1:53:21Speaker 02

  Oh, he's such a good guy, bro. This guy's.

• 1:53:23Speaker 17

  That sounds good to me.

• 1:53:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:26Speaker 00

  Don't you love this guy? By the way, we were.

• 1:53:28Speaker 02

  Is that his first game ever that he was gonna play?

• 1:53:30Speaker 00

  And then watch, watch this video, Vinny. Why don't you tee up this next video of what he says here?

• 1:53:34Speaker 01

  All right, Paul Skeens National League Cy Young Award.

• 1:53:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly. It's not like you're going up against anybody.

• 1:53:38Speaker 01

  Welcome to the show. Great stash on this guy.

• 1:53:41Speaker 00

  Why is this a ball player?

• 1:53:42Speaker 02

  So he's explaining here how, you know, why he has you're so pretty. Inscribed on his glove and it's a.

• 1:53:49Speaker 00

  On his glove, he has a statement that says you're so pretty.

• 1:53:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, to tribute to his mother Gina, who passed away last year from cancer.

• 1:53:56Speaker 00

  Just watch this, watch this here, go for it.

• 1:53:58Speaker 04

  Tell the fans who don't know, what is on your glove and why?

• 1:54:00Speaker 17

  So on it, I have you're so pretty. And every game throughout high school, I'd always know mom was there. Cause she'd yell, you're so pretty. It was meant to embarrass me for a long time. And I found quickly, it's like, he loves me. And every time I look down to see that, it's my little reminder like, hey, crap happens on the field, but you're still pretty like. You're still good. You're more than just a baseball.

• 1:54:26Speaker 00

  I mean, this is a guy you love. Who doesn't love a player like this?

• 1:54:29Speaker 01

  He loves his mom.

• 1:54:30Speaker 00

  And he's a Red Sox guy, but you love him.

• 1:54:33Speaker 01

  And he loves Jesus.

• 1:54:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, he does. And I love like that's, and again, Pat, again.

• 1:54:37Speaker 00

  Is that what it says? He really says, I love Jesus? Can you play that? Stop it. Play from.

• 1:54:41Speaker 17

  But I cuss a little bit.

• 1:54:42Speaker 02

  But I cuss a little bit.

• 1:54:43Speaker 00

  So does Vinny, it's okay.

• 1:54:45Speaker 17

  Go out there and kick ass. I kick cancer's ass so you can go out there and kick theirs.

• 1:54:49Speaker 00

  I love it.

• 1:54:50Speaker 17

  Anytime that I get.

• 1:54:51Speaker 01

  Shout out to you, buddy.

• 1:54:52Speaker 00

  This is the beautiful part about sports and baseball on what happens. So Tom, walk me through, because one of the stats is that came out, which is fascinating. Is that MLB attendance rises for the fourth straight year to 71.75 million.

• 1:55:08Speaker 01

  Look at the Tigers.

• 1:55:09Speaker 00

  71.75 million fans watching this. I thought last year, when you guys won the World Series, in my opinion, the greatest World Series I ever watched.

• 1:55:18Speaker 01

  That was the Toronto one?

• 1:55:19Speaker 00

  Oh, it's the greatest World Series I've ever watched in my life.

• 1:55:22Speaker 01

  It went game seven, didn't it?

• 1:55:23Speaker 00

  It did, it did. But attendance rose, but Tom, at the same time, while attendance rose, the Houston Astros are in the playoffs. And you just said to me, 7,000 people weren't there in the audience and they're booing their own. How is that even possible?

• 1:55:38Speaker 01

  Well, I'll tell you why it's possible. Uh, the Houston Astros finished with an incredible record of 81 and 81. So they did not have a winning season. They fought to a tie with themselves. And if you take a look at what was going on in the American League West, that was, uh, that was kind of the dark side of baseball. It was nobody wanted to win and the rest of American League just beat the crap out of them. And the Houston Astros are now 0 and 9 at home in playoff games dating back. They got swept in a wild card this year by the Chicago White Sox. Two years ago in 2024, they got swept in the wild card at home. You're opening up the wild card at home. You're supposed to win, you're the home field. They lost, so that's four.

• 1:56:19Speaker 01

  And then the previous year, 2023, do you remember that remarkable American League championship series? Between the Rangers and Astros? The Astros won all three games at Texas and Texas won all four games at, at Houston. The home team never won in that ACL, yes? And somehow the Rangers went to World Series and won it. They lost those four. So that's 2023. And then they lost one game the, the prior year. So it's been 2022 since they've won a home playoff game and they've been in the playoffs four years. The fans are tired of it. Also, if you talk to the Astro fans down there, there are some that have read the stories about the people that left after 2017. We know what happened 2017.

• 1:57:04Speaker 01

  They cheated, they won the World Series, they beat the Dodgers and they beat it with hidden cameras and banging on tubs.

• 1:57:11Speaker 00

  It all makes sense now.

• 1:57:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, and Altuve.

• 1:57:13Speaker 00

  It all makes sense now, Tom.

• 1:57:14Speaker 02

  Altuve hits a homerun and he's like.

• 1:57:16Speaker 01

  Don't take off my.

• 1:57:17Speaker 02

  Don't take off my jersey.

• 1:57:18Speaker 01

  Cause he was wearing a buzzer.

• 1:57:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, you damn right.

• 1:57:20Speaker 01

  He was wearing a buzzer, allegedly.

• 1:57:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, allegedly.

• 1:57:23Speaker 01

  So that's what's going on. Then with the Astros, Pat, you have just, I think a lack of a, there's a lack of effort on the field. They've, they've kind of lost mojo, but the state of baseball is good. We had a great World Series last year, not because the Dodgers were in it, because it was simply great baseball. And this year, the stadium experience has been better. And I think, Pat, something they did, and I want your opinion on this as a baseball owner, is I think the shot clock that they brought to baseball for pitching.

• 1:57:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:57:56Speaker 01

  And you can only step out of the batter's box and scratch yourself and, and re, remember they used to step out?

• 1:58:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:02Speaker 01

  Literally when I see scratch yourself, they would adjust their cup. And then they would sit there, adjust their gloves and then get back in the batter's box. And it was like, will people stop fidgeting and just play? It's like, that's why they have a shot clock in basketball. So you don't sit there just bouncing the ball, wasting time. And that's why they have the clock in football. So baseball brought it and I think it's resulted in a good thing. I also think that the rule that the relief pitchers, Pat, have to face a minimum of three batters. Remember when you used to have five pitchers at the end of a baseball game, Pat?

• 1:58:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:58:34Speaker 01

  Like five, left-hander, right-hander, left-hander, right-hander. And it was worse than all the timeouts in the NBA where it takes five minutes.

• 1:58:40Speaker 02

  Is that a rule now? You have to face three batters?

• 1:58:42Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:58:43Speaker 02

  Remember if you're getting smoked?

• 1:58:44Speaker 01

  Guess what?

• 1:58:45Speaker 02

  Smoke it.

• 1:58:45Speaker 01

  Then the manager brought the wrong guy in.

• 1:58:47Speaker 02

  Then what happens if you, if you get injured?

• 1:58:50Speaker 00

  Well, let me, let me tell you what has happened though. Couple of things to be thinking about. The other day I'm sitting there and I, uh, I'm asking myself one question because I noticed everybody that would come up. He had 243, he had 228, he had 265. I'm like, these are guys that are in the freaking playoffs, they're hitting 240, 250, 260. I remember watching playoffs 30 years ago, 328, 317, 341, Paul Molitor. You know, you would see Larry Walker, 370, Jay, you know, Juan Gonzalez, 315, A-Rod, 328. What the hell happened to batting average? Do you know in 1996, what the average batting average was in baseball?

• 1:59:23Speaker 01

  The average?

• 1:59:24Speaker 00

  Average of all the.

• 1:59:25Speaker 01

  250.

• 1:59:26Speaker 00

  270.

• 1:59:26Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:59:27Speaker 00

  In, in 1996, you know what it is today? 244.

• 1:59:31Speaker 01

  What happened?

• 1:59:31Speaker 00

  I'm gonna tell you exactly what happened. Tampa Bay Rays changed the game when they realized, I'm no longer needing to pitch. We used to have a lot of complete games. We used to have a lot of shutouts. We had a lot of guys that was pride. 17 complete games, shutout, you know, six complete game shutouts. Nobody gets complete games anymore.

• 1:59:47Speaker 02

  Doesn't matter.

• 1:59:47Speaker 00

  They went to mathematics. So you start off strong, so low ERA first, second, third inning. And then they started noticing that it drops around fifth, sixth and like, you know what? Let me get rid of him after the sixth. You need five minutes to be able to get the win. So then they bring two, three, four pitchers. So every average game has five pitchers. The game got boring to a pitchers, but audience has now shown up. But let me tell you what happened. This is one thing I don't like.

• 2:00:10Speaker 01

  I'm glad you broke that down.

• 2:00:11Speaker 00

  Vladimir Guerrero, who yesterday, last year, if you guys can find this clip, last year, the guy plays in the greatest World Series ever I watched. You remember when they're going up against the Dodgers?

• 2:00:26Speaker 01

  They almost beat the Dodgers.

• 2:00:27Speaker 00

  The greatest World Series. It was like, hey, thank you Dodgers, thank you Toronto for putting on an amazing show. Every game was exciting. Congratulations for the Dodgers for winning. Well deserved. But the one person that we all started looking at as a person you feared was who? Vladimir Guerrero, because what he was doing on the playoffs.

• 2:00:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:48Speaker 00

  You know what happens after last year? He gets a $500 million out of contract. And he's being interviewed. In an interview, guess what Vladimir Guerrero says? He says, they didn't pay me to hit 40 every year. He says, they paid me for what I did last year. I want you to watch his comments. Go ahead, can you turn on, okay, go for it, watch this.

• 2:01:09Speaker 00

  Oh my God.

• 2:01:11Speaker 00

  So he says.

• 2:01:12Speaker 02

  I can translate for you, Bobby.

• 2:01:13Speaker 00

  They didn't pay me 500 million on what they want me to do this year. They paid me 500 million because of what I did last year.

• 2:01:20Speaker 01

  No. That's not the way it works.

• 2:01:22Speaker 00

  Now, now watch, let me tell you what happens next. Do you know this year? He played 147 games. Okay?

• 2:01:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:29Speaker 00

  That's a lot. You played 90% of the games.

• 2:01:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:31Speaker 00

  Do you want to know how many home runs he hit this season?

• 2:01:33Speaker 02

  Compared to all?

• 2:01:34Speaker 00

  Tom, do you know how many home runs he hit this season? No, no, I just want you to know. This is a guy that was hitting 400 in the playoffs last year, 350 in the playoffs last year. How many home runs you think he played in 147 games? No major injuries, don't look up the stats. I just want you to guess, how many home runs you think Vladimir Guerrero hit this year? That's still a lot.

• 2:01:51Speaker 02

  That's a lot of home runs.

• 2:01:52Speaker 01

  If you hit less than 30, if you're this guy, you're, you have a horrible season.

• 2:01:55Speaker 00

  500 million dollars.

• 2:01:56Speaker 01

  I remember at the All-Star break, it was like, he didn't even show up on league leaders. I don't know how many.

• 2:02:01Speaker 00

  Okay. But what would shock you, Tom? For Guerrero, but his father was a phenom.

• 2:02:06Speaker 01

  If he hit less than 20.

• 2:02:08Speaker 00

  What number would you, would you be shocked with?

• 2:02:09Speaker 02

  Less than 20 would be a failure.

• 2:02:11Speaker 01

  15 to 20 without an injury would shock me, less than that would.

• 2:02:14Speaker 00

  He hit nine home runs this year.

• 2:02:16Speaker 02

  No way, no way, no injury.

• 2:02:17Speaker 01

  That's half of what it is.

• 2:02:19Speaker 00

  Only 57 RBIs.

• 2:02:21Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:02:22Speaker 00

  72 runs. That's it.

• 2:02:24Speaker 02

  What a loser.

• 2:02:25Speaker 00

  Slugging percentage, 356.

• 2:02:27Speaker 02

  So he has his money.

• 2:02:28Speaker 00

  But he got his money.

• 2:02:30Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 2:02:30Speaker 00

  You know what a horrible example this is to the other teammates?

• 2:02:33Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 2:02:33Speaker 00

  Now, you know what a horrible example this is for the young kids? FYI, can you pull up Toronto Blue Jays record this year versus last year? Toronto Blue Jays record this year versus last year. Okay, what is the Toronto Blue Jays record this year versus last year? If you go look at how many wins they had, look at this, Vinny. Last year record was what? 94 and 68.

• 2:02:53Speaker 02

  And then you start paying.

• 2:02:54Speaker 00

  They were number one AL East finish. Of course, they lost the World Series 4 to 3. They almost won the whole thing. Look at this year, 79 and 83 in the AL East. They finished fifth and Guerrero was not injured. But you got paid.

• 2:03:11Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:03:11Speaker 00

  You got paid. You learn what happens. Do you know in the history of sports? The most disappointing team ever with the biggest budget as a team that ended up going last. You know who it was? New York Mets. Juan Soto took the check, went to the Mets. What happened to him the other day? He can make it to first base. The guy fumbles. He doesn't get the hit because he's just kind of trotting like, let me tell you how much money I got, all this other stuff. Nothing is more annoying than you watch guys that were exciting guys like Poppy would play. You're like, man, when this guy's playing, he brings so much pride to the game of baseball. I'd love to see Veronimo Guerrero this year offseason. Go lose 25, 30 pounds, recreate himself, come back next year and go back into the big, uh, what do you call it? The World Series and play against somebody like the

• 2:03:56Speaker 00

  Dodgers. The concern is right now the Yankee, the, what do you call it? MLB has a lot of good things going on. They're getting viewers. People are enjoying baseball.

• 2:04:03Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 2:04:04Speaker 00

  People are enjoying watching baseball. And by the way, they're enjoying watching baseball during the pitcher, pitcher's era.

• 2:04:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:04:11Speaker 00

  Steroids is out. You know how scary it is to do steroids today? You know what happens if you get caught with, you know, do you know what the fine is right now?

• 2:04:17Speaker 01

  Out for the whole season or what?

• 2:04:18Speaker 00

  Eighty-one the first time, one sixty-two second time.

• 2:04:20Speaker 01

  Well, half a season then.

• 2:04:21Speaker 03

  Holy moly.

• 2:04:22Speaker 00

  You're making 30 million a year. You just lost 15 million bucks.

• 2:04:24Speaker 01

  Oh, you don't get paid either.

• 2:04:25Speaker 00

  Zero.

• 2:04:26Speaker 01

  No, no, your team gets a waiver. Your team gets a waiver.

• 2:04:28Speaker 00

  Zero. You pay nothing. So guys are doing no steroids. They're not even doing any of this, you know, nor testing or whatever muscle tech stuff that, you know, some guys, Rafael Palmer, all these guys would talk about. So it is a very, very different league today to play. And so it's exciting. It's fun, but I hope they don't screw this thing up with this collective. Tom, i- is it the collective bargain agreement that's coming out that they're going to go on a strike? Everybody's stacking up with cash because they know it's going to, it could potentially next year be no season.

• 2:04:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. The collective bargaining agreement is the rules by which the owners and the players will work with each other. And if that expires and there's no rules to work together, then they're technically what's called on strike. Cause the players will say, well, until we have a new CBA, they call it, we're not playing. So the players go on strike while they're trying to negotiate a new contract.

• 2:05:17Speaker 00

  What is Kalshi's number on a strike happening? Can you guys go and see if there's a Kalshi on strike like MLB strike? Go ahead, Tom.

• 2:05:23Speaker 03

  Yep. Um, I think we are, uh, lockout, lockout, MLB lockout.

• 2:05:31Speaker 00

  The current collective bargaining will be expressed December 1st has proposed salary cap and salary floor with a proposed 27 cap at 245 million, a floor of 171.

• 2:05:39Speaker 03

  Here it is. New CBA before December 2nd, 6% chance.

• 2:05:44Speaker 01

  Oh, it's not gonna happen.

• 2:05:45Speaker 00

  What do you mean? You don't think a strike's gonna happen?

• 2:05:48Speaker 02

  This is, this is, no, the agreement's gonna happen? They're not gonna have an agreement before December 2nd?

• 2:05:53Speaker 03

  That's right. This, if this was 96% chance, there's no lockout, no strike.

• 2:05:56Speaker 00

  This is saying there won't be an agreement.

• 2:05:57Speaker 02

  This is no agreement.

• 2:05:58Speaker 00

  A strike is gonna happen.

• 2:05:59Speaker 03

  Right. This, flip it over. 94% chance there's gonna be a strike.

• 2:06:03Speaker 00

  I hope they figure out quickly because baseball has won millions of fans back and it's a dumb mistake if they do it now. It's a dumb mistake if they do it now. Uh, the sport is exciting again. Playoffs this year, last year.

• 2:06:17Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:06:18Speaker 00

  Last four years straight.

• 2:06:19Speaker 02

  And you know what this pad? They updated the product without changing the heart of the game. Tom, you made a great point. Everything is faster. You're in there and they're leaning on players like Shohei Ohtani and Judge, short clips. They're putting them out there. And you know, I want people, cause a lot of people talk crap like basically it's so boring. It's like, okay, I love the NFL.

• 2:06:35Speaker 00

  The last few years.

• 2:06:36Speaker 02

  Exactly. If you watch the NFL, people don't realize this, Adam, three hours of a game, you're getting 11 minutes of hike, uh, but in baseball, Pat, we're sitting there watching the game, Adam. We're eating, we're talking, we're doing, yeah, last year, my bad. Sports, sports trivia. You got to, if you go to an actual game, guys, you're in the, that's why they call it America's pastime, but you're in there, you're chilling, you go eat, you go shopping, come back, fourth inning and it's still exciting and it's still on.

• 2:07:03Speaker 00

  You know what though, Vinnie?

• 2:07:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:05Speaker 00

  You know why I'm wearing this jacket right now?

• 2:07:06Speaker 02

  Why?

• 2:07:07Speaker 00

  The faith over fear jacket that you can get on FLB.com?

• 2:07:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:09Speaker 00

  Because I have faith they're gonna figure it out.

• 2:07:10Speaker 02

  Ooh, I like how you did that.

• 2:07:12Speaker 00

  It's faith over fear, baby.

• 2:07:13Speaker 02

  I like what you did there.

• 2:07:14Speaker 00

  It's faith over fear. Baseball's gonna figure it out and, uh, they, they, they gotta, they gotta put that in place. This is a, I say this to everybody. If there's a sport, I'm convinced, it's not like I have inside information. I don't want to leak my sources because you know, you get in trouble.

• 2:07:28Speaker 01

  You're jeopardized.

• 2:07:29Speaker 00

  God's favorite sport is baseball. This is documented.

• 2:07:33Speaker 01

  Well, if you build it.

• 2:07:34Speaker 00

  By the way, you, you know, it's, it's in the Bible.

• 2:07:37Speaker 02

  Really? What, what, what'd they say in the Bible, Tom?

• 2:07:39Speaker 00

  Tom, can you tell, what were the first words in the Bible?

• 2:07:41Speaker 03

  In the big inning.

• 2:07:42Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 2:07:44Speaker 00

  It's in the Bible. It tells you.

• 2:07:46Speaker 02

  In the big inning.

• 2:07:47Speaker 00

  But that's a mistake.

• 2:07:48Speaker 02

  That is just sacrilegious.

• 2:07:49Speaker 00

  Some people say it's in the beginning.

• 2:07:51Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 2:07:52Speaker 00

  It's actually in the big inning.

• 2:07:54Speaker 02

  Where he's talking about maybe the nineties.

• 2:07:56Speaker 03

  The Bible starts with excitement.

• 2:07:58Speaker 00

  That's a baseball guy. Don't let anybody fool you, by the way. It's not football.

• 2:08:00Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:08:01Speaker 00

  It's not soccer.

• 2:08:02Speaker 02

  Baseball.

• 2:08:03Speaker 00

  It's not hockey. It's baseball. There's something about baseball. You get to sit, you know, by the way, I am praying the Yankees go to the World Series and I'm praying the Dodgers go.

• 2:08:14Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:08:15Speaker 00

  You know why? Cause I want to go to New York and I want to go watch, watch the World Series together. That is such a great experience going to the game. Yankee fans show up. Last time we were there, a bunch of guys coming and talking. It's great conversations. But, uh, anyways, with that being said, I think game start, Tom, guys, remind me with the schedule. I think tomorrow starts.

• 2:08:34Speaker 02

  Saturday.

• 2:08:35Speaker 00

  So I'm not following this. I know tomorrow.

• 2:08:36Speaker 02

  Tomorrow Dodgers play at four, Yankees play at night.

• 2:08:38Speaker 00

  Dodgers play Atlanta. Okay. Yankees play against, uh,

• 2:08:41Speaker 02

  The Tampa Bay Rays in Tampa.

• 2:08:43Speaker 00

  In Tampa. And then you got Chicago, Cleveland, and the last one is San Diego goes against Milwaukee, which should be baseball. Baseball is back, baby. Baseball is back. All right.

• 2:08:54Speaker 03

  Before we wrap up, I, I appreciate you laying out what happened with the averages. By the way, just for the record, I've been to basketball games, football games, going to a baseball game, there ain't nothing like it. Something about that diamond on the field. It's incredible. But I don't follow baseball like you guys follow baseball. I'm more basketball.

• 2:09:11Speaker 00

  I skip two games, but I love the games. Great game.

• 2:09:13Speaker 03

  I, I'll, I'll check stats just to see who are the good players.

• 2:09:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:09:18Speaker 03

  I do that. I was like, I'm looking at the average.

• 2:09:20Speaker 00

  Nothing.

• 2:09:21Speaker 03

  Five, six players batted above 300.

• 2:09:24Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 2:09:25Speaker 03

  Growing up, if you didn't hit 300, you weren't an all-star.

• 2:09:28Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 2:09:29Speaker 03

  Six players and this guy, Jordan Alvarez, led the league with 316. I remember he used to lead the league. You'd have to be at like 340, 320. Home runs, you're talking, don't talk to me unless you've hit 50.

• 2:09:41Speaker 01

  By the way, he played for the Astros and had like nobody behind him. So he did that on a bad team where they couldn't pitch.

• 2:09:47Speaker 03

  Well, I also, I also noticed something about Tom. Not only does he kind of low key, you know, root against the Yankees. I get it.

• 2:09:54Speaker 00

  He hates the Yankees.

• 2:09:55Speaker 03

  You, you also, you also low key, I realize this, why you hate the Houston Astros?

• 2:10:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, they hate you.

• 2:10:02Speaker 03

  They beat the Dodgers.

• 2:10:03Speaker 02

  Us too. Hold on, they beat us. They beat us. Forget them now.

• 2:10:06Speaker 03

  Now I get what's going on.

• 2:10:08Speaker 01

  Houston, we have a problem.

• 2:10:10Speaker 03

  By the way, forget about bitter Dodger fans.

• 2:10:11Speaker 02

  Tom's got some bitter beef with them.

• 2:10:12Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no, no. Forget about bitter Dodger fans. Everybody in the league and C.C. Sebastian.

• 2:10:17Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:10:18Speaker 03

  Say that they cheated. That should have been a Dodgers Yankees World Series.

• 2:10:21Speaker 00

  All right.

• 2:10:22Speaker 03

  C.C. Sebastian said, said that they got cheated.

• 2:10:24Speaker 00

  Tom, who pitched in that game in 2017 for the Dodgers when they lost?

• 2:10:27Speaker 02

  The, the Persian guy.

• 2:10:29Speaker 03

  The Persians?

• 2:10:30Speaker 00

  Who pitched?

• 2:10:31Speaker 03

  Yu Darvish.

• 2:10:33Speaker 02

  Yu Darvish?

• 2:10:34Speaker 00

  He helped you.

• 2:10:35Speaker 02

  I did help. I did help.

• 2:10:36Speaker 03

  Yu Darvish was the Persian?

• 2:10:38Speaker 00

  Steven Alfo said, hey, let's go to the game.

• 2:10:40Speaker 03

  Get out of here.

• 2:10:41Speaker 00

  And on the way to the game, these guys were so good at getting free consulting from me.

• 2:10:45Speaker 02

  He was like Japanese.

• 2:10:46Speaker 00

  That we, on the way to the game, they're like asking all this compensation stuff.

• 2:10:48Speaker 02

  Smart.

• 2:10:49Speaker 00

  I'm like, these guys, every time they do this with me.

• 2:10:50Speaker 02

  Smart.

• 2:10:51Speaker 00

  But, uh, I went there and we sat there to hope to see the Dodgers win. Cause at that time I'm like, I'm, look, I, believe it or not, one thing about me, you gotta realize, if the Yankees are playing the Dodgers, I'm rooting for who?

• 2:11:01Speaker 03

  The Yankees.

• 2:11:02Speaker 00

  Anybody else playing against the Dodgers, I'm rooting for the Dodgers.

• 2:11:05Speaker 02

  Why?

• 2:11:06Speaker 00

  I am telling you, I'm, I'm, I'm an LA guy. I, I, dude, when the Dodgers won in Texas during COVID, I was wearing a Dodgers hat. Cause this dog, I'm an LA guy still. I love the Dodgers. So I'm conflicted, but it's Yankees. To me, baseball is Yankees.

• 2:11:22Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:11:23Speaker 00

  To me, baseball is Yankees. Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, Yogi Berra.

• 2:11:28Speaker 02

  Babe Ruth.

• 2:11:29Speaker 00

  Jeter, Ruth.

• 2:11:31Speaker 02

  Murderers row.

• 2:11:32Speaker 00

  To me, baseball is Yankees, Doug.

• 2:11:34Speaker 03

  Yankees.

• 2:11:35Speaker 00

  There is something about it. Where are Yankees hat and go to fricking Ukraine? They're gonna know who the Yankees.

• 2:11:40Speaker 03

  Everybody knows that the number one team, like the icon.

• 2:11:43Speaker 00

  Or you, it's the Fever. I know.

• 2:11:44Speaker 03

  It's the Florida Miami Marlins.

• 2:11:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:47Speaker 03

  No, no, no.

• 2:11:48Speaker 02

  I'll tell you.

• 2:11:49Speaker 03

  Punt Rodriguez.

• 2:11:50Speaker 00

  Let me tell you, the day, if we ever get a hold of a team, majority.

• 2:11:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:11:54Speaker 00

  It'll be some of the funnest games you'll ever go to. The day comes that we're majority. Right now, we're, you know what a minority owner of a Yankees is? You know what you get to say? You just get to cheer. That's the Yankees, Doug.

• 2:12:04Speaker 03

  You get to do the seventh inning.

• 2:12:06Speaker 00

  Yes, that's what we do. But the day comes, God willing, if it happens, if the day comes that we own a majority, let me tell you, we got, we have some ideas that you want, some of the craziest ideas we have. I can't wait for it. I can't wait for it. We would definitely make Tom or his daughter the GM.

• 2:12:23Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, Haley for sure.

• 2:12:26Speaker 00

  You think I'm joking with you? I'm actually not joking with you. But anyways, uh, Vinnie, any final thoughts?

• 2:12:30Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, guys, just, uh, cause there's, they're going, they're, they're going freaking fast. Guys, the faith over fear, right now they have the lower third on there. Get it right now. Remember, there's less than a hundred and they're going. So make sure you click on it.

• 2:12:42Speaker 03

  Styling that is so clean.

• 2:12:43Speaker 00

  Great job today, Vinnie. Have a great weekend, everybody. We will do this again next week. God bless everybody. Take care. Bye bye, bye bye.