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1:33 Speaker 05 Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hell with...
1:35 Speaker 06 Archie, can you say Rob Beckett?
1:38 Speaker 07 Rob Beckett.
1:40 Speaker 06 Yep, and can you say Josh Widdicombe?
1:43 Speaker 07 No.
1:44 Speaker 06 Josh Widdicombe?
1:45 Speaker 07 No.
1:46 Speaker 06 Why? Go on, do you want your juice? Josh Widdicombe.
1:54 Speaker 06 Can you say it?
1:56 Speaker 06 Roddy, can you say Josh Widdicombe?
1:58 Speaker 07 Josh.
1:59 Speaker 06 Uh huh. That's close. That was close, you can have that class on.
2:05 Speaker 05 Well, there we go. Failed. Edinburgh. Yep. Very Scottish. This is my three-year-old Archie, my one-year-old Rory. Both classic Scotch. Scotch names. Scotch? They don't like me Scotch. I know, I was joking. Sweaty sock jocks, that's what they like.
2:23 Speaker 05 This is my three-year-old Archie.
2:24 Speaker 04 Rory, trying to say your names. According to my mum, Archie has taken after me with his stubbornness at doing what he's asked. Uh, but I think he smashed Rob Rory unexpectedly chimed him with Josh, even though he could only say about three words. Love the podcast. They keep me sane when I get a dog walk with a baby nap.
2:41 Speaker 05 Oh, that's a good.
2:41 Speaker 04 Fiona in Edinburgh.
2:42 Speaker 05 It's so hard having a dog when you've got a baby. Get dogs after babies, not before. Jesus.
2:48 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah. Jesus.
2:50 Speaker 05 Jesus.
2:50 Speaker 04 Jesus. Um, sorry.
2:53 Speaker 05 Jack Savoretti.
2:56 Speaker 04 So good looking.
2:57 Speaker 05 Very handsome guy.
2:59 Speaker 04 Is he gonna be the fittest man we've ever interviewed? Oh, no, we'd had David Gandhi, didn't we?
3:03 Speaker 05 True, but.
3:05 Speaker 04 It's literally his job.
3:08 Speaker 05 I know. Savare- yeah, true, maybe not, but nice guy. I met him on Graham Norton, very nice guy.
3:12 Speaker 04 Savoretti.
3:13 Speaker 05 Savoretti. He's, I think he's, I think he might be plugging it. Is he doing Royal? I think he's doing the Royal Albert Hall, but um, yeah, he's a really nice guy.
3:19 Speaker 04 Oh, nice.
3:19 Speaker 05 Yeah.
3:20 Speaker 04 Yeah. Did you, did he sit there the whole time or did he join after he'd played his song?
3:25 Speaker 05 Joined after he played his song, which I always feel sorry for them because they're always like just a bit hot or busy in the.
3:30 Speaker 04 It's the last thing they need.
3:31 Speaker 05 Because they're right in the zone of performing, then all of a sudden they're just there with like loads of people staring at them. Because it's not like the other chat where like everyone takes a bit of turn. It's like all on you now, Savoretti.
3:39 Speaker 04 Yeah.
3:40 Speaker 05 But I, I was jealous of him.
3:42 Speaker 04 Yeah.
3:43 Speaker 05 I really want to tell people that I'm half Italian and then go to Italy and drink coffee in a square.
3:49 Speaker 04 He's got an even more Italian name than Jack Savoretti.
3:53 Speaker 05 Have they?
3:54 Speaker 04 Giovanni Edgar Charles Galetto Savoretti.
3:57 Speaker 05 Oh my, give me a couple of them names for you, Jack. Get it.
4:01 Speaker 05 Oh. I'd love that. Well, sure. My name's Gian Lu- Gian Luigi Beckett.
4:08 Speaker 04 Beckett.
4:09 Speaker 05 Beckett. I want to go to watch Genoa play football with Jack Savoretti.
4:14 Speaker 04 Well, why don't you ask him?
4:15 Speaker 05 I'm gonna say that to him. One, how you so sexy? How's the music going? How are the kids? Can I come and watch Genoa play? Where is Genoa?
4:23 Speaker 04 Uh, Genoa. Genoa, Sam Doria from Genoa, aren't they? Um, I think it's North. All the best football teams are North, aren't they, generally? Apart from Napoli.
4:32 Speaker 05 I think in Italy, that's where like the posh.
4:34 Speaker 04 The money's up north.
4:35 Speaker 05 The posh money's up north in Italy.
4:37 Speaker 04 Down on the south.
4:38 Speaker 05 And they look down on the boot.
4:39 Speaker 04 Yeah, they do.
4:40 Speaker 05 Let's get into Italian politics with Jack Savoretti.
4:45 Speaker 05 Jack Savoretti, welcome to the podcast.
4:47 Speaker 07 Thanks for having me, guys.
4:48 Speaker 05 Now, obviously, we're just all getting on so well that we just started chatting.
4:51 Speaker 07 We didn't realise we'd started.
4:52 Speaker 05 No.
4:52 Speaker 07 That's how good we are.
4:53 Speaker 04 It's been a great show.
4:54 Speaker 07 Yeah, yeah.
4:55 Speaker 05 I met you on Graham Norton.
4:57 Speaker 07 Yeah.
4:58 Speaker 05 But, full rundown, three kids.
5:00 Speaker 07 Three kids.
5:01 Speaker 05 How many, what, did you say, dogs and cats?
5:03 Speaker 07 Four dogs, and now we've sort of inherited a cat, not inherited a cat, a cat chose us.
5:07 Speaker 04 Even though you've got four dogs?
5:08 Speaker 07 Even though we got four dogs, which is impressive. And it took her a while, she's, somebody had abandoned her, she's a beautiful cat, I'm not a cat person, but she's a beautiful cat, completely.
5:18 Speaker 04 I'm a cat person.
5:19 Speaker 05 And you've got four dogs?
5:20 Speaker 04 Four dogs, Phil.
5:21 Speaker 07 It took her six months, I built her like a little chalet meow meow, I call it, it's like a little cat house outside, it's like a little log cabin for cats.
5:29 Speaker 04 Oh, wow.
5:29 Speaker 07 And so she started staying in there, and now that it's sort of spring, we have the doors open, she started to sort of come in.
5:35 Speaker 05 And the dogs aren't bothering her?
5:37 Speaker 07 The dogs are a little bit scared of her.
5:38 Speaker 05 What dogs you got?
5:39 Speaker 07 I've got a border collie, and then we have three cockapoo's, cocker sort of.
5:44 Speaker 04 Oh, so small dogs?
5:45 Speaker 07 No, the border collie's quite big, she's quite big, she's sort of my soulmate.
5:49 Speaker 05 Massive.
5:51 Speaker 07 Not that big.
5:53 Speaker 05 Big for a dog, though.
5:53 Speaker 04 Big for a dog.
5:55 Speaker 05 Too big for a dog.
5:57 Speaker 07 We just sort of walked everywhere together, she's my, she's my soulmate, and then the other three are just pretty hectic.
6:02 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
6:03 Speaker 05 So you haven't got favourites then with the dogs, too much?
6:05 Speaker 07 Yeah, I definitely have a favourite with the dogs.
6:06 Speaker 05 So you had the border collie first, and then the cockapoo's came second?
6:09 Speaker 07 No, we had a cockapoo, and then she had puppies, and then we fell in love with all the puppies, so kept them.
6:13 Speaker 05 Oh.
6:14 Speaker 07 Which was a great idea, and then the border collie, actually belonged to a friend of mine, but he had, he had a few troubles with drugs, substances and all that, and ended up sort of in hospital, and this dog was just sort of abandoned. And I ended up going to take her, and she was pretty nuts, she was living in a pretty wild environment.
6:30 Speaker 05 Oh, God.
6:30 Speaker 07 And wasn't the best idea, we had just had our third daughter, and she was like six months, and I took this dog home, and I realised...
6:36 Speaker 04 Probably can't keep this dog. But actually Border Collies are unreal with their intelligence.
6:42 Speaker 05 Yeah.
6:42 Speaker 04 And she just read the room like nobody's business. And she just learned how to sort of move around and mind her own business.
6:48 Speaker 05 Really?
6:48 Speaker 04 Oh wow. It was also the time where I had just lost my father. So it was like it was very needed to have this kind of support. What a period. It was a hell of a time.
6:56 Speaker 05 This is like the podcast equivalent of Uncut Gems. I can't stop blinking. I'm still on the, I'm still trying to process the Cockapoo's pregnancy.
7:05 Speaker 04 Which happened on New Year's Day of all days.
7:07 Speaker 05 Oh my god.
7:08 Speaker 04 My wife delivered them. She learned from YouTube. I mean, a lot of people are gonna get angry at us because this isn't the way to do it. My aunt's a dog breeder and was furious at us for doing this. But we did it out of love.
7:18 Speaker 05 But did you know she was pregnant?
7:19 Speaker 04 Yeah.
7:20 Speaker 05 Were you trying to get the dog pregnant?
7:21 Speaker 04 We were because we, my wife and I had two different midlife crises. It's all coming out very quickly. Yeah, we're good at this, aren't we?
7:29 Speaker 05 Keep going, Jeff.
7:30 Speaker 04 But basically.
7:31 Speaker 05 Cry when you want.
7:34 Speaker 04 No, but basically my wife's midlife crisis was really amplified by her fear of our dog dying. That sort of became Maggie, who is the original, like the dog we've had for now, she's fifteen, sixteen.
7:46 Speaker 05 Blimey.
7:46 Speaker 04 Yeah.
7:47 Speaker 05 So she was very connected to this dog.
7:48 Speaker 04 Very connected. And she was like, before she, while she still can, let's breed her. So that we'll always have Maggie in our lives in some shape or form.
7:56 Speaker 05 Okay, yeah.
7:57 Speaker 04 It was very romantic, but it was madness.
7:58 Speaker 05 Yeah.
7:59 Speaker 04 And yeah, she turned into sort of Florence Nightingale, delivering these dogs. Me and the kids downstairs hearing screams.
8:05 Speaker 05 No. So how many were delivered?
8:07 Speaker 04 Three kids, three made it.
8:09 Speaker 05 Kittens?
8:10 Speaker 04 Yeah, that was, that was, that's how bad a job she did.
8:15 Speaker 04 Never do this at home.
8:16 Speaker 05 Yeah.
8:16 Speaker 04 No, three showed up, but one, a friend of ours had, was living, was experiencing something terrible. So she took one of them.
8:22 Speaker 05 Yeah.
8:23 Speaker 04 And the other two, we fell in love, sort of, we were all arguing with which one we were gonna keep. Oh yeah, it's only going one way, isn't it? Yeah.
8:29 Speaker 05 So I'm trying to just get my head right. So we've got the, what was your midlife crisis then? Cause if hers was breeding the dog.
8:33 Speaker 04 My midlife crisis was making this album.
8:38 Speaker 04 Let's make another album.
8:39 Speaker 05 It sounds like a very busy household.
8:41 Speaker 04 It's hectic.
8:42 Speaker 05 Three kids, all the, all that, cause you've got, how old are the kids?
8:45 Speaker 04 Fourteen, eleven and five.
8:47 Speaker 05 So that's, yeah, so that's a busy ages from like young school kid up to like teenagers going to GCSEs and now all these dogs. You've written an album, you're going on tour. About the whole thing.
8:59 Speaker 04 The only time I could be alone was I'm writing, like leave me alone. No, I.
9:03 Speaker 03 Then my my midlife crisis was literally on my fortieth birthday. I sort of lived the dream. We were in Italy in a place called Porto Fino, the most beautiful place in the world. Everybody I loved was there, friends and family. And I just had a real like, why are all these people here? Who did, do they know who I am? Do I know them? One of these existential, like, what is all of this? Like, in a sort of way, feeling kind of like very fortunate, but also like sort of guilty about the whole thing. I was like, how is this possible? What's gonna, what do I do with all of this? And then I also realized I could throw a grenade into my whole life here. Like, what would happen if I just completely flipped this upside down?
9:39 Speaker 05 Yeah.
9:40 Speaker 03 And just that realization was terrifying, that that is possible, like, one decision, one choice.
9:46 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
9:47 Speaker 04 Of course, yeah.
9:48 Speaker 03 I haven't really thought about that from now.
9:49 Speaker 05 Yeah.
9:49 Speaker 03 Now that's never leaving.
9:51 Speaker 05 I'll just breed a dog instead.
9:53 Speaker 04 Do you ever have thoughts like that, Rob?
9:55 Speaker 05 No, not until you put it in my head, but you're right. I have thought sometimes when I'm doing live TV or live radio and just think, I could say something awful now.
10:02 Speaker 03 And it would all go wrong.
10:03 Speaker 05 And it's all over like, like that, almost like Thanos.
10:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, the nitty gritty of you disappears and you suddenly realize your choices matter, like.
10:11 Speaker 05 Yeah.
10:11 Speaker 03 They've gotten you this far as well. You sort of give yourself a pat on the back because you're like, actually, I've made some great choices.
10:16 Speaker 05 So it was a positive thing as well as a like a confusing thing that.
10:19 Speaker 03 Well, it was once I realized, wow, I've made great choices. I was like, all my choices do matter.
10:24 Speaker 05 Yeah, I'll say it's pressure to carry on the right choice.
10:27 Speaker 03 Yeah, oh my god.
10:29 Speaker 05 Cool, you will be able to find a problem in a, in a chilled situation.
10:33 Speaker 03 Great for some.
10:33 Speaker 04 It feels like a waste of money this birthday.
10:35 Speaker 05 Yeah.
10:36 Speaker 04 Feels like a lot of money spent on quite a negative experience.
10:38 Speaker 03 No, I'm, I'm, I'm.
10:40 Speaker 05 You've really poured a feed out for me now.
10:42 Speaker 03 I pulled a lot of strings for that party. I could never have afforded that party.
10:46 Speaker 04 Why? I was reading your Wikipedia name and you, you're not called Jack.
10:51 Speaker 03 No, I have always been called Jack. Like, my mother's called me Jack, but on my passport, I'm Giovanni. I was named after my grandfather. Well, my, because I was born in London, my mother's English and she was just like, Giovanni's gonna be a tough one.
11:02 Speaker 04 Ah, right.
11:03 Speaker 03 But, you know, especially like early eighties, she was just like, she wasn't crazy, she just wanted Jack.
11:08 Speaker 04 I thought you'd picked a less spectacular stage name. I thought you'd go like, I'm one of the only people. Dull down their name for the stage.
11:16 Speaker 03 No, I've been asked to change my name. I've been asked to change my last name a lot in the music business.
11:20 Speaker 04 Really? I'd have thought it's a Sal.
11:22 Speaker 03 I agree. I think it's interesting. It's also just who I am. Like, it is what it is. But I've been told, I've got one executive said, if you keep your name, we'll have to put it in the world music section. I hate the term world music already, so.
11:35 Speaker 05 That's just music, isn't it?
11:36 Speaker 03 It's just music, not in English. Um, but yeah, that was an interesting, it happened a few times.
11:42 Speaker 04 What name did you toy with? Did you ever consider, was there a, was there a shortlist?
11:46 Speaker 03 Uh, no, he did, he did suggest Sav or Savo or something like.
11:50 Speaker 05 Sav, Jack Sav. Sounds like a criminal from the 50s.
11:54 Speaker 03 I mean.
11:54 Speaker 05 Jack Sav used to work with the Crays.
11:56 Speaker 03 To be fair, Jack Sav already sounds like a criminal.
11:59 Speaker 05 Yeah, true. So that, um, sort of midlife crisis realisation, then you wrote the album off the back of that basis? Is that what was the motivator? Well, did it, it didn't manifest in anything else other than the album with like decisions of?
12:12 Speaker 03 No, not really. Well, I mean, it had just come from a period where I had, I had lost my father. We'd just had a, we'd had a third child sort of thing. We were coming through that, which was also a shock to the system. Because, let's just say, Celeste, number three, but Celeste, it was a surprise. It was a very much like, we were sort of out on the other side.
12:30 Speaker 05 Six, a six year gap.
12:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, 10 year with the eldest.
12:34 Speaker 05 Oh God, yes, that's a long, yeah.
12:35 Speaker 03 It was a long time and we were starting to find ourselves again and starting to just, it was just, things were changing. My wife and I were starting to hang out a lot more.
12:43 Speaker 05 Yeah, of course.
12:44 Speaker 03 Hence, hence what happened.
12:48 Speaker 05 Too much time together.
12:52 Speaker 03 It's happened again. Um, but it, I mean, it was the best thing that happened to us and I'm gonna throw that cliche out there because it is.
12:59 Speaker 05 Oh, of course, yeah. It's just, but it can be a shock at the time.
13:02 Speaker 03 It was a real shock. My, my wife was very happy. She was really happy. It was a bit like the same, again, I mean, she might not like me saying this, but it was a bit with her midlife crisis. The same thing with Maggie, the dog, like keeping her alive. This was another thing of like.
13:15 Speaker 05 Yeah, because it's another baby.
13:16 Speaker 03 Her own moment of questioning time and is there time for one more? Could I do this again? Should we have another one? She was very much in. That mentality, I really wasn't. I mean, it was just during Covid as well and like it was during the lockdown where finally the world did stop for me. I mean, I hate saying that because it wasn't a great time for people, but for me personally, it was really nice to stop and to not have that sense of guilt for stopping.
13:41 Speaker 05 Yes, or worry it was taken out of your control.
13:44 Speaker 03 Exactly, whether somebody else was doing what I should have been doing and all that. It was like, no, everything stops, so you can actually turn off now. And when that happened, I was like, I was tired. I realised I was actually really tired. And when this, so when we got pregnant again, I was like, oh man. I gotta go back to work. This is gonna be tough. But luckily, it's actually been the best source of inspiration for that.
14:05 Speaker 05 Yeah.
14:06 Speaker 03 For both of us, for my wife and I.
14:08 Speaker 05 And what does she do?
14:09 Speaker 03 She's an artist. She was an actress.
14:10 Speaker 05 Yeah.
14:11 Speaker 03 And then during, she's always been an incredible artist, but she had focused mainly on her acting and done some amazing films, worked with Tim Burton, Francois Zon, done some great stuff. But then during lockdown again, there was a real, she realised I don't wanna go back out there. I think she had just had her time.
14:26 Speaker 05 Yeah.
14:27 Speaker 03 The, the, getting the job was, and being rejected was becoming more.
14:30 Speaker 04 I think it's horrible.
14:32 Speaker 05 It's brutal acting.
14:33 Speaker 03 That becomes kind of the craft, surviving that.
14:35 Speaker 04 Do you know what? You so rarely get it in our job where you are up for something and there's a list of people or you don't know the list of people, but you have to go along and you have to audition. It's, I don't know, it's so rare.
14:49 Speaker 05 Yeah.
14:50 Speaker 04 And then you'd have to watch whoever got the job. And your whole life, if you're an actor, is presumably lived in just this kind of edge of will I get that? What if I get that? What, when do I find out about that? I've got a callback. I wonder how many people have got a callback. All of that. I don't know how every actor isn't insane. A lot of them are.
15:15 Speaker 05 Well, the worst, the worst part of a normal job, like when I worked in an office job, the worst part of working office job is going for job interviews and your first day at work. And that's essentially all acting is.
15:24 Speaker 03 All the time.
15:25 Speaker 05 It's going for the interview and then being there for a day and then moving on.
15:28 Speaker 03 I understand, I mean, there is a buzz if you do get the job.
15:31 Speaker 04 Yeah.
15:31 Speaker 03 Like, oh, and that was become. More of her, like, she was very, becoming quite competitive.
15:36 Speaker 05 Ah, okay.
15:37 Speaker 03 Craft was taking a backseat and that's when she was like, um, this is not good. She didn't like that feeling. It was no longer about the craft of acting. It was the craft of like the audition, getting the job, which is part of it. Don't get me wrong.
15:49 Speaker 05 Yeah, of course.
15:49 Speaker 03 That's when she was just like done with that. And so she wanted to, I think, really master a craft again.
15:56 Speaker 05 Yeah.
15:57 Speaker 03 Creation and art was there. Suddenly she was in charge. She was the one that could just make things come to life from nothing. And she's a ridiculously prolific, wonderful and successful artist. So that that was an interesting switch for both of us as well.
16:11 Speaker 05 How does she find you going back on tour then? Because obviously I had lockdown home together. Really?
16:16 Speaker 03 I think for multiple reasons. At first it means I'm still working, which is a nice thing.
16:20 Speaker 05 Yeah.
16:20 Speaker 03 But also I think we've always had that in our relationship.
16:24 Speaker 05 Yeah.
16:24 Speaker 03 Been together twenty two years. So that distance makes the heart go fonder. It it keeps us incredibly like, you know, the choice of being in love rather than it's easy to be in love when everything's hunky dory.
16:35 Speaker 05 Yeah.
16:35 Speaker 03 But to choose it when things, when there's a struggle and all that. I think that the touring and being away from each other makes you feel like you're sort of fighting and holding on to something again. And it does, it is incredibly bonding for us.
16:46 Speaker 04 Do you find that, Rob?
16:47 Speaker 05 Well, it's different for comedians, isn't it? Because we go to like Doncaster for the night and drive home.
16:54 Speaker 03 I'm not exactly.
16:55 Speaker 05 No, but with music, when you tour abroad, like you tour abroad a lot more. And you're away for six weeks.
17:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
17:00 Speaker 05 Nonstop where comedy really is like.
17:04 Speaker 03 I'll be back and I'll do the school run, but then I'm going to Leeds.
17:06 Speaker 05 Yeah.
17:07 Speaker 03 Yeah, but I I have to be honest, I've, me personally have been able to build much more of that.
17:11 Speaker 05 Oh, that's good.
17:12 Speaker 03 Not by choice, by lack of success maybe also. I do, I don't really have, like, I'm never away from, like, two weeks is kind of the limit.
17:19 Speaker 05 Yeah, I I can't do any more than that because especially with the kids.
17:23 Speaker 03 Totally. I don't like it. I don't like what happens. I get too detached. They get almost too detached as well. They sort of like just move on without you.
17:30 Speaker 05 Yeah.
17:31 Speaker 03 They're not running to the say hello anymore and all that. So it becomes a bit, uh, two weeks is the most.
17:36 Speaker 05 Yeah, I think that's a good, good decision.
17:41 Speaker 04 This podcast is brought to you by Gemini, Google's personal AI assistant.
17:45 Speaker 05 We're pretty good friends now, aren't we Josh, wouldn't you say?
17:47 Speaker 04 Despite the rumours, yeah, still going strong.
17:49 Speaker 05 But we don't always agree.
17:51 Speaker 04 That's what a good friendship is built on. We are different, we have different views on things. But we are going to use that to settle some debates we've had, bubbling along.
17:59 Speaker 05 Yes.
17:59 Speaker 04 Using Gemini. So a good one.
18:01 Speaker 05 Yeah.
18:01 Speaker 04 Is we have different approaches if our kids won't leave the play park. You're in the park.
18:06 Speaker 05 Yeah.
18:07 Speaker 04 It's 4.30 on a Saturday, you just want to get the kids out of the play park to get home. They're refusing to go.
18:14 Speaker 05 Yeah.
18:14 Speaker 04 How are you getting them out?
18:15 Speaker 05 Well, it's difficult because they're getting older now. It's become a slightly more psychological warfare. When they're younger, whatever you say, they ignore you and run away.
18:22 Speaker 04 Yeah.
18:22 Speaker 05 Then they get a little bit older where you go, no, you need to come now. And the stern voice makes them go, oh, I will dad.
18:28 Speaker 04 So what do you do?
18:29 Speaker 05 I don't know if this is great. I sort of go, well, I'm going.
18:31 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah.
18:32 Speaker 05 And then I go to walk out the park and then almost make them believe they've been left.
18:37 Speaker 04 Yeah, the classic, it's a classic.
18:38 Speaker 05 And then they end up bottling it and go, no, I'll come as well dad. So I'm a walk out, not looking at them, turn the corner, hope for the best.
18:44 Speaker 04 Okay, do you know what my, my tactic is?
18:46 Speaker 05 By the way, for the record, I'm not actually leaving them. They're in full sight the whole time. But I can't let them see me.
18:52 Speaker 04 What I do, it's bad. I buy them off with ice cream, Rob. I know I do. Yeah. Because everyone's a winner then.
18:59 Speaker 05 Yeah.
19:00 Speaker 04 They won't finish it. I'll get ice cream as well. So it's a win, win, win.
19:03 Speaker 05 To be fair, that walking out the park thing's only new as they've got older. But what I would do when they're younger, just pick them up and carry them out.
19:10 Speaker 04 Let's see what Gemini thinks is the best way to deal with it. So all I do, get my phone out.
19:14 Speaker 05 Yeah.
19:14 Speaker 04 Click on the Gemini app. Here we go. I'll just ask the question. Uh, could you settle a debate for us? When your kids are in the park at the weekend, the play park, and they won't leave, what's the best way to get them out? Is it to carry them over your shoulder or is it to buy them off with ice cream? Um, that's a classic parents dilemma. Both of these methods can definitely have a practical effect, but maybe not the best long term. Carrying them off can feel like you're taking control, but it doesn't really teach them how to move on to the next thing.
19:45 Speaker 06 And buying them off with ice cream could get you into a pattern where they always expect a reward for leaving. A lot of people find success with giving warnings, like a five-minute warning before we leave, or making the transition fun, like let's race to the car.
19:59 Speaker 04 Race to the car is a great idea.
20:01 Speaker 05 Yes, that's better than ours.
20:02 Speaker 04 Yeah.
20:03 Speaker 05 Okay, let's try something else here. This is a situation I get myself in quite a lot. Hello Gemini, um, basically, all I've got is some plain pasta, I've got some pesto, I've got a couple of like wilted carrots and a pack of mince. Help me create some sort of hidden veg recipe that I can cook in 20 minutes and the kids are actually gonna eat.
20:22 Speaker 06 You can quickly grate the carrots and mince them with the meat. Fry the mince, add the grated carrots, and mix in your pesto with the cooked pasta. The finely grated carrot will blend in with the mince and the pesto will add a strong flavour the kids might love. Does that sound like something they'd eat?
20:40 Speaker 04 Sounds like something I'd eat, and I'm vegetarian.
20:44 Speaker 05 You've got, you've got two soul guys here, Gemini. That's a great idea, thank you, that's really good, that.
20:49 Speaker 04 Really helpful.
20:49 Speaker 05 Grate it, make it look like mince. And they're gobbling up carrot and they don't even know.
20:53 Speaker 04 Exactly, Rob.
20:53 Speaker 05 Until they start seeing in the dark, then they'll be suspicious. Someone's been sneaking carrot in my dinner.
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21:21 Speaker 01 Ugh, I hate Mondays.
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21:54 Speaker 04 Does it feel different going back out when you've got kids to?
21:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, this, I think it's getting harder, actually, if I'm totally honest, like, just because parenting is getting so much cooler.
22:05 Speaker 04 Yeah.
22:05 Speaker 03 At your age, like, I love it. And also, when the first time around, I, you know, you've got a sort of six month old kid in your hand and you're like, this, this, this is gonna, this is it forever. You don't realise how quickly time flies. You don't realise how quickly that six month old is.
22:19 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
22:20 Speaker 03 Wanting to spend the weekend with friends and not answering your text messages when you're like, where are you? Like, suddenly, that's gone, that moment of like, is gone. And so now, I mean, I feel sort of sorry for my, my daughter because I'm like, properly like, holding on to every moment I can with her because I know how quickly this goes. So I think that the absence.
22:41 Speaker 05 I literally felt like, you know, in a film, a soul leaves a body.
22:45 Speaker 04 Oh, no.
22:47 Speaker 04 Sure, going back to having all your friends there and thinking one decision could ruin it all.
22:53 Speaker 04 I mean, you're laughing a lot for someone who's really bringing some dark thoughts into the room.
22:56 Speaker 05 That's why he's good at singer songwriter.
22:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is like my therapy. I'm giggling.
23:01 Speaker 05 Am I allowed to call you a singer songwriter? Is that allowed? Is that not, I don't know.
23:04 Speaker 03 It's world music, isn't it?
23:07 Speaker 05 Don't ever go in because what he said made you question your own.
23:10 Speaker 03 I've made one world music album in a time. The rest is in English. No, I mean, I'm a very jolly person. That's why. I only write sad songs. I don't usually write when I'm happy.
23:19 Speaker 04 Do you, this is an interesting thing. I think the darkest comedians are often the lightest off stage, right?
23:25 Speaker 05 Yeah, and the light fluffy ones are the ones that the real.
23:28 Speaker 04 Yeah, exactly. Cover up a kind of a deep.
23:31 Speaker 03 What are you trying to say?
23:32 Speaker 04 They're trying, well, what I'm trying to say is, like, Chris Martin's quite a laugh, from what I can tell, but he's quite sad in his songs or whatever. Is there a lot of people that do sad music, but they're actually quite a laugh? Is that?
23:44 Speaker 03 In my experience, a hundred percent.
23:46 Speaker 04 Yeah.
23:47 Speaker 05 Louis Capouli is a good example.
23:48 Speaker 04 Louis Capouli is a good example.
23:49 Speaker 03 Perfect example. Actually, I always find some, it's the same thing, the ones that are making all the jolly sort of stuff like that. There's a darkness to them that you.
23:55 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
23:56 Speaker 03 They obviously don't want you to see. They're hiding it in some way.
23:58 Speaker 04 Yeah.
23:59 Speaker 03 Yeah, for me, it's always been a bit like that. I remember when I started out.
24:02 Speaker 05 Tried to provide an example of that person?
24:06 Speaker 03 No, because I know them quite well. One of them I know quite well. No, I would never do that. But when I started out, for example, I used to, I mean, all the, the guy, some of the guys that I really admired, they were all very quiet and somber on stage. They wouldn't say much in between songs. And I remember when I started out, I used to sort of imitate that. It was actually my wife who was like, what the fuck is that? Like, that's not you. You're the guy who doesn't shut up and like, I can hear you laughing from four bars away. Why aren't you doing that? And actually, once I got comfortable with just being that, I think the songwriting got better. Funny enough, because I didn't have to sort of, I don't know, I was able to put it there and it didn't entirely define me. Like, that's just a part of myself. It wasn't my everything.
24:48 Speaker 04 There isn't almost a shame with musicians to being a laugh.
24:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, you gotta be cool.
24:53 Speaker 04 But like, do you like Seema? Like, she, Seema is now, she had Harry Hill on stage when she did Alexander Palace. She's really funny. She does, and it's the same with Lewis Capaldi. There's, there's totally this thing now where I think people are going, oh, I can be funny. And it doesn't undermine the music.
25:12 Speaker 03 I also think we know more about artists now. Like, I think back in the day, there wasn't that much known, but they were actually like that. Like, Leonard Cohen was hilarious. Like, Leonard Cohen.
25:21 Speaker 04 Yeah, well, that's a perfect example, right?
25:22 Speaker 03 And like, I don't know if you've seen the documentary on him. It's fantastic. Like, he's very witty, very social. You never think that. You think this is what it was.
25:30 Speaker 04 David Bowie's really normal. Whenever you see David Bowie interviewed, you're like, oh, he's like a really normal bloke.
25:36 Speaker 05 They just dress his up and perform. I love his interviews when they're, they're, back in the day, they're trying to trip him up all the time because he was doing something so different.
25:44 Speaker 03 You must be weird or something.
25:45 Speaker 05 And he was so good, it was going, no, I'm all right. No, what?
25:48 Speaker 03 Brilliant. I love Bowie. Big Bowie fan. But that, that, that's definitely, I think, something that now that we know more about those artists, even from that time, you don't have that weight of having to keep up appearances by being cool and quiet.
26:00 Speaker 05 Can I ask you about the Graham Norton Show?
26:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
26:03 Speaker 05 Because we did that together.
26:04 Speaker 03 Thank God you were there, man.
26:05 Speaker 04 Did you, did you think he had as bad a one as he worried he did?
26:09 Speaker 03 What do you mean?
26:09 Speaker 05 No, he's, he's too nice for that. He's trying to pretend I had a bad gig. That was all right. No, but.
26:15 Speaker 03 He was like sitting next to a naughty school kid. Like, you kept making me laugh. Like, I was trying to be cool on that so far. I was like, okay, be cool.
26:21 Speaker 05 No, you were the one. Was it, so was it Chris Pratt, Cynthia Erivo, Dawn French, me, then you?
26:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
26:30 Speaker 05 Right.
26:30 Speaker 04 It's a classic in a vibe.
26:33 Speaker 03 You would have met up anyway.
26:34 Speaker 05 Well, actually, it was my dream dinner guest party that I'd asked for the week before. No, because as a comedian, you're on at the end to try and lighten the mood and be the bit of the joke. When they've got their sort of like film stars, mega stars, come on. But it's weird though for the musicians because you're like not involved at all. Then you sing, you know, you do your song and it's very hard to do those songs in a studio, studio audience with TV.
26:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, one, two, three.
26:56 Speaker 05 Yeah, and it's every single person I've seen ever do it. They're doing it and they're doing it really well, but it's not like a normal gig. You're playing for the environment. And then you sort of have to do it twice. They make everyone do it twice. You do it once, do it another one for cameras or whatever. And then they go, right, welcome over, Jack Savery. So we've been there for like two hours.
27:12 Speaker 03 It's like being late to a party where everyone's getting arsed.
27:15 Speaker 05 You're all out of breath because you've been performing. Then you're also, and then you shuffle over, you're like, hello, and it's so hard.
27:20 Speaker 04 So what are you thinking about when you're stood backstage thinking fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck? As we all think, yeah. Are you thinking, yeah, yeah. Are you thinking fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, I've got to do the song in the studio? Or are you thinking fuck, fuck, fuck, I've got to go and talk to them?
27:35 Speaker 03 No, no, the song is easy, like, not easy. It's not easy, don't get me wrong. But you hope, it is what it is. You can't go back now, that is what it is. It's the like, please say something a little bit interesting.
27:45 Speaker 04 That's hanging over the song. That's hanging over the song.
27:48 Speaker 03 Also because some, you talk about capacity, some guys are amazing at it. They'll come and they'll drop that bomb that they know will, you know, it'll do something.
27:55 Speaker 05 The viral or, you know, that's all they want.
27:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, but they're good at it.
27:59 Speaker 05 Can you say something that go viral?
28:00 Speaker 03 Exactly. That's what they kept saying.
28:01 Speaker 04 No, otherwise I'd be doing it all the time.
28:03 Speaker 03 But I've never had that until this time. They kept saying, just say something that maybe go viral. I was like, what?
28:08 Speaker 05 Oh, they actually said that to you?
28:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, twice before I went on, I was like.
28:11 Speaker 04 If I knew how to do that, I wouldn't have to be here.
28:14 Speaker 03 A hundred percent.
28:15 Speaker 04 Because I did Claudia recently, Claudia Winkle's show, and the American person who it always depends on.
28:21 Speaker 05 Yeah.
28:21 Speaker 04 Who was the guy from Schitt's Creek, who is called.
28:24 Speaker 03 Oh, I saw this about Mr Blob.
28:25 Speaker 04 Yeah, he was such a laugh.
28:28 Speaker 05 Yeah, he's great.
28:29 Speaker 04 Everyone's like, ah.
28:31 Speaker 03 Hundred percent.
28:31 Speaker 04 Ah, just relax.
28:33 Speaker 03 But I think the best thing to do on those shows is to just have a laugh.
28:37 Speaker 04 Of course.
28:37 Speaker 03 To try not to, I think when I was really young and I went on them, I would try to be very serious and whatever.
28:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
28:43 Speaker 03 And nothing comes, like, you're sort of just disappearing.
28:45 Speaker 04 No one wants you to be serious.
28:46 Speaker 03 No one wants really, yeah, it doesn't really work.
28:48 Speaker 04 I once sat through an incredibly long chat about Shakespeare and I thought, no one's getting anything out of this.
28:56 Speaker 03 This isn't gonna help my career a lot.
28:57 Speaker 05 I did Jennifer Ross ones and I never normally drink on them things, but it's sort of gone quite well. They went, do you wanna drink? I went, oh yeah, can I get a rum and Coke Zero, whatever? And then there was loads of breaks, so they kept on bringing me a new one. I was drinking them. And then I was so pissed, Duran Duran come on.
29:11 Speaker 03 Oh yeah, great.
29:12 Speaker 05 And I was just looking at it and I was like, I didn't know, I couldn't, they all look like the same man.
29:15 Speaker 03 Of course they do, they're all the same man from thirty years ago.
29:19 Speaker 05 But they were like, they were trying to talk to him and I was just like, I nearly called a bloke Duran Duran.
29:25 Speaker 05 But then that's horrible when you're in that situation, cause you feel so vulnerable, cause you're like, you don't wanna be drunk, but.
29:30 Speaker 03 I had that last time on Norton, I stupidly had like a whiskey.
29:33 Speaker 05 Oh really, yeah.
29:34 Speaker 03 And I just, I think I sat down next to it, I just took it, boom, like that.
29:37 Speaker 05 But that's one, I had about six.
29:39 Speaker 03 Yeah, but it's the whole.
29:40 Speaker 05 Yeah, and the adrenaline from the, um, I was gonna ask about, um, you know, busy household, lot of kids, and different ages of kids, and you've got the dogs, which it sounds like you both love.
29:51 Speaker 03 Care about more than the kids, from what I can tell. It's not about care, but hang out with them.
29:56 Speaker 05 At least they're there.
29:57 Speaker 03 They're there.
29:58 Speaker 05 So what, what, what are you doing for holidays? Are you leaving the dogs with people?
30:01 Speaker 03 Going on tour.
30:02 Speaker 05 Going on tour?
30:03 Speaker 03 No, the dogs, we have, we have a lovely neighbour who basically moves in and stays with them and the dogs are almost as happy, if not happier, cause they just get a hundred percent of their attention, whereas with us, you can imagine, sometimes a dog is hiding from the chaos. But no, it's all good.
30:19 Speaker 05 And then the kids, when you're like picking a holiday, are you trying to, you know, cause it's hard to keep a teenager happy and a five year old?
30:24 Speaker 03 Well, so now what we do, like, the one thing that I've really tried to bring in is reminding the kids where they're from, so it's about spending time in Italy.
30:31 Speaker 05 Yeah.
30:31 Speaker 03 And we, we always do, like, now rather than, we did a few, I remember when sort of my career started doing okay and we had kids, we did the super, like, far long holidays, getting on a plane, going to an island, whatever. And we were noticing that we were spending a fortune to get somewhere for like four days.
30:48 Speaker 05 Yeah.
30:48 Speaker 03 Two days of which was jet lag, the other was like packing to leave again and then coming home and feeling, and it was amazing, but we were like, this isn't, there's no longevity in this. I don't feel like we really experienced anywhere either. We didn't sort of see anything else but a hotel.
31:00 Speaker 05 A resort and a beach, yeah.
31:01 Speaker 03 Exactly. So now what I'd rather, what we try to do every year is we go one. Month, it's a little island called Forte Mentero, which is just next to Ibiza. You can only get to it by boat. And we go for one month and I just watch my children transform. Like the first week, they're, you know, tourists. And then like by week two, week three, suddenly their whole attitude just changes. Like they really sort of just become locals. They just, they're just at ease. And I love that. And every year I ask them if they want to do something different. And that's now, they've got friends there now. Like they know where to go. My fourteen year old can go to the local village and she can walk back at night by herself and with friends and all that. So.
31:37 Speaker 05 Oh, that sounds idyllic.
31:39 Speaker 03 Yeah, it really is. I have to say.
31:41 Speaker 05 But that's Spanish, not Italian.
31:42 Speaker 03 It's Spanish, but filled with Italians.
31:44 Speaker 05 Oh, really?
31:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, Forte Mentero is like Italians have sort of.
31:47 Speaker 05 Take it over?
31:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, they definitely have, yeah, yeah.
31:50 Speaker 04 Who'd your kids support in the World Cup?
31:52 Speaker 03 Well, no.
31:53 Speaker 04 Oh, God, I didn't mean that.
31:55 Speaker 05 That's horrible.
31:57 Speaker 04 In the hypothetical scenario, it's a ever qualifier for the World Cup.
32:00 Speaker 05 Sorry, in the Nations League?
32:03 Speaker 04 This is getting cold, guys.
32:04 Speaker 03 My son has never seen Italy in a World Cup.
32:06 Speaker 05 Oh, my God.
32:07 Speaker 03 Which is hard. He's seen us win the Euro. So I can, we can talk about the Euros if you want.
32:11 Speaker 05 Yeah. So what happened in the Euros?
32:12 Speaker 03 The Euros was make or break. He was five.
32:14 Speaker 05 Yeah.
32:15 Speaker 03 All his mates were suddenly showing up to school with the England jersey.
32:18 Speaker 05 Yeah.
32:18 Speaker 03 And he was like, my dad, my son, he talks like a gangster. He's got this like, he's got this really husky voice. I don't know where he gets. Um, and he was like, Papa, what, you know, everyone's going for England. I think Italy are gonna lose. Everyone says England are gonna win. And in England, you do talk about England winning a lot before the game. Like, that is the thing. And I was like, don't worry, don't worry. Anyway, we sat down to watch the game and it was me and my son in Italy jerseys.
32:40 Speaker 05 Yeah.
32:41 Speaker 03 And my wife and my daughter in England jerseys with the flags of Saint George. And they, they really went to town.
32:45 Speaker 05 Yeah, painted, painted a roundabout, full shebang.
32:49 Speaker 03 Almost, working on that. And then the England.
32:52 Speaker 04 She was the woman, she was the woman that flower for us, his wife.
32:58 Speaker 03 Sounds like.
33:01 Speaker 03 To be honest, I wouldn't put it past that.
33:04 Speaker 03 Um, and then England scored first and my son gave me this look of like.
33:08 Speaker 04 What you doing today?
33:09 Speaker 03 Why have you done this to me? Anyway, we all know how that went.
33:12 Speaker 04 Yeah.
33:12 Speaker 03 And he was super happy and he's been.
33:14 Speaker 04 So do you think if England had gone on to win that as they deserved to?
33:17 Speaker 03 I think I would have lost.
33:18 Speaker 04 Then you would have lost him.
33:19 Speaker 03 I do. And that was really heartbreaking because like you inherit your national team like. I'm girlfriendally because my dad was Italian and I remember Italy nineteen ninety.
33:28 Speaker 04 Yeah.
33:28 Speaker 03 Like that team. And it was a great England team too with Lineker, I guess. And we had Skilachi and all that. And it was just, I remember that moment. Me, I'm a bit conflicted as well. I was going to school, I was living in London. And my dad was like, this isn't an option. Like we watched Italy. And you just bond. And that's the thing that's heartbreaking about Italy not being in the World Cup again. For a whole generation, we haven't had that bonding.
33:50 Speaker 04 When there's forty eight teams, it's very difficult to get in, isn't it?
33:52 Speaker 05 I mean, you have been going for him since he mentioned that thing about his daughter being young and your soul left your body. You've said his wife's got a flair for us. Now you're having a go back there.
34:03 Speaker 03 That was a gamble.
34:05 Speaker 03 It paid off, innit?
34:06 Speaker 05 And you're a Genoa, you're a Genoa fan as well?
34:08 Speaker 03 I'm a big Genoa fan.
34:08 Speaker 04 So have you passed that on?
34:10 Speaker 03 I've passed that on. The first game he took, it was last year, two years ago, we were in Serie B. And we were playing, I was in Milan actually on a work thing. And everyone was coming up to me saying, oh, tomorrow Genoa's gonna get promoted, Genoa's gonna get promoted. Might have had a few too many drinks. I phoned my father-in-law. I was like, listen, if I get you guys a plane, would you fly? Winter's my son, he's called Winter. Would you get, would you fly Winter out tomorrow morning to see Genoa play?
34:31 Speaker 04 Amazing.
34:31 Speaker 03 And they flew out at like five in the morning. They arrived, we were treated like. Because I, I did a song at the stadium, so I have a strong connection with the team. But this was the first football game he'd ever been to.
34:40 Speaker 05 Wow.
34:41 Speaker 03 And Marassi, the Genoa stadium is amazing. It was built in for nineteen ninety. Anyway, he got there, we won, pitch of age. So he's a Genoa fan as well, but we're Gunners, aren't we?
34:50 Speaker 05 Jack, can you, can you, can you take me to watch Genoa play?
34:52 Speaker 03 I, I, I promise you, we should do that. It's on, it's unreal. It's very different to here.
34:57 Speaker 05 Yeah.
34:57 Speaker 03 It, I mean, Italian football is going down, but Italian fans are.
35:01 Speaker 04 But I think also our age, we, Italian football was on.
35:04 Speaker 05 Ah, Football Italia.
35:05 Speaker 04 Channel four. Yeah, yeah, and it was the best football there was. So we've got an idealized view that we'll always have of Italian football is the best.
35:13 Speaker 03 It's still there. You still get the vibe. It's just the quality of the football.
35:16 Speaker 05 I've got an idea. Why don't we do the first ever Parent in Hell on Tour video? And we get it and we film it and we do a little film of us going to watch Genoa play with Jack.
35:24 Speaker 03 You know, it's a good thing because a lot of kids go to the stadium.
35:27 Speaker 05 Or we fuck that up and just get shitfaced.
35:29 Speaker 03 I was trying to back you up.
35:30 Speaker 05 Yeah, no, no, no. No, no, sounds like a pain in the arse, yeah. I'll just go, I'll just go.
35:34 Speaker 03 Also because stadiums in Italy, I mean, they're not super kid friendly.
35:38 Speaker 05 No.
35:38 Speaker 03 I mean, they are. They're terrifying.
35:41 Speaker 04 So do you take your son, have you taken him since?
35:44 Speaker 03 No, I haven't taken him since.
35:45 Speaker 05 Do you go Arsenal or just watch Arsenal?
35:47 Speaker 03 We've gone to Arsenal. We've gone to Arsenal a few times, yeah. But he was like properly spoiled with Arsenal.
35:52 Speaker 05 Did he have a bit too much of a, you know, VIP experience?
35:55 Speaker 03 Very VIP experience. Thanks to my Spanish tour manager, um, we were actually just rehearsing, like, it was a couple of weeks ago, to go see Arsenal Everton. A great game, the Max Dalman.
36:05 Speaker 05 The Max Dalman moment, yeah.
36:06 Speaker 03 And we were right there, like.
36:07 Speaker 05 Anything you want to say about that? Shit on that kid's dream?
36:10 Speaker 04 I don't know what the Max Dalman moment is.
36:12 Speaker 05 Well, he came on.
36:13 Speaker 03 The 16 year old who scored.
36:14 Speaker 04 Youngest goal in the Premier League.
36:14 Speaker 05 Yeah, and he came on and set up a goal and then he scored.
36:17 Speaker 03 He changed the game.
36:18 Speaker 05 Yeah.
36:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah. In the 86 minute, after 86 minutes of pretty dull, this part of the season Arsenal football, which hasn't been great. This kid came on, but I was there, we were there in Arteta's wife's box.
36:29 Speaker 05 Wow, wow. Was there a flare in there as well? Sorry.
36:39 Speaker 04 What's Arteta's wife like?
36:40 Speaker 03 I didn't meet her. I have met her once.
36:42 Speaker 04 I can't imagine, I can't imagine he's a laugh to be married to.
36:47 Speaker 05 Sorry, I'm sorry, Jack.
36:48 Speaker 04 Can you imagine?
36:49 Speaker 05 He's intense. Those grey trousers clinging on to his arsehole like a fucking cliff climber's fingertips.
36:56 Speaker 04 There's no way Mikel Arteta on this would be a laugh.
36:59 Speaker 05 Oh, can you imagine him going to a barbecue, shouting at it, move, move. Attack the space sausage, attack the space.
37:06 Speaker 03 I have not met him, but me and my wife had a really embarrassing moment where we, we live out in Oxfordshire. And we were having sushi and Arteta and his wife sat right next to us. And my wife and I were just like, my wife didn't really understand, but I, I was like sort of smiling and they kept sort of staring and sort of talking.
37:23 Speaker 04 Yeah.
37:23 Speaker 03 And I was, and I walked off, I was like, that was Mikel Arteta and his wife. She didn't even know who I was talking about. I was like, I think he might have like recognised me or something because they were chatting away. And as I'm talking to my wife, I suddenly like, it just suddenly clicked, both of us were wearing Arsenal caps.
37:36 Speaker 05 Really?
37:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, but they're like sort of vintage ones.
37:38 Speaker 05 Oh.
37:39 Speaker 03 So I hadn't really like clocked and I was like, oh my God, that's why they were looking at us. Cause we were like two prats. Just sat next to them.
37:44 Speaker 05 Both in an Arsenal hat.
37:45 Speaker 03 It was like different coloured Arsenal. I know, that's pretty tragic to begin with.
37:50 Speaker 05 I mean, if, no, no.
37:51 Speaker 03 Not something we usually do.
37:52 Speaker 05 Well, yeah, I wanted to say like, if I was leaving the house with Lou to go for sushi, so at Farmhouse, we were both wearing matching caps, I'd go, shall I take mine off?
38:00 Speaker 03 You think, you think one of us would have taken it off?
38:02 Speaker 05 Yeah.
38:02 Speaker 03 I've got a blue one, she's got a burgundy, whatever.
38:04 Speaker 05 Yeah, well, you know. It's matching, it's like you love each other.
38:07 Speaker 03 It was pretty tragic. Like I said, it was embarrassing.
38:09 Speaker 05 Well, you thought he's into my music, he's just got.
38:11 Speaker 03 Must be a fan.
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39:56 Speaker 04 Would you ever move to Italy?
39:58 Speaker 03 Realistically, like I did, like in a dream world, yes. But I think it's a very tough, for what I do, for what we do. Realistically now with my kids who have grown up, they're very, my kids are very...
40:08 Speaker 04 Are they bilingual?
40:10 Speaker 03 No.
40:10 Speaker 04 No.
40:11 Speaker 03 I didn't do very well with that. I kind of dropped the ball on that. It's hard.
40:14 Speaker 04 Too late. You've got enough on your plate, you're knackered, you're like, I don't want to teach them the whole language.
40:20 Speaker 03 Also because, yeah, there is a bit of that.
40:23 Speaker 04 I've had four hours' sleep.
40:26 Speaker 03 Please, I can't be the teacher, the tutor as well. No, but you also feel rude.
40:29 Speaker 04 Yeah.
40:30 Speaker 03 Like when we lived in London, it was okay-ish because I had some Italian friends in London and all that. But in the countryside, you really feel like you're proving a point, you're making a point. And it's like, and the kids look at you like, what, don't do this to me.
40:42 Speaker 05 It's more confusing though, when you see a fa- I saw a family on holiday like that and there was an English guy and I think she was Dutch or German. And he spoke to them in English and the kids spoke back to him in English and then the wife spoke to them in Dutch or German and they spoke back to her in Dutch.
40:56 Speaker 03 I do think they call it mother tongue for a reason. Like I think when my, like friends of mine with couples, bilingual couples.
41:01 Speaker 05 It's your wife's fault.
41:02 Speaker 03 No, yeah, I'm blaming my wife. Well.
41:05 Speaker 05 My English wife.
41:06 Speaker 03 She can't speak Italian. No.
41:07 Speaker 04 Yeah, it's tough for her to teach it then.
41:09 Speaker 03 I think, exactly. That's what I always say. But I'm like, if, if she, we, we did, like when we do go to Italy and my wife does start trying to speak Italian. You can see the kids suddenly engage with it, like much more than if I'm doing it. Like it's taken sort of as, it is what it is if Papa speaks it. But friends of mine who are bilingual.
41:26 Speaker 05 And you're Papa?
41:27 Speaker 03 Papa.
41:28 Speaker 05 That's cool then. I want to be Papa.
41:30 Speaker 03 What are you?
41:31 Speaker 05 How can I rebrand to Papa? A dad. Just dad.
41:33 Speaker 03 Dad's lovely too.
41:34 Speaker 05 No, I want to be Papa.
41:35 Speaker 03 Papa's lovely. It's softer.
41:36 Speaker 04 Why don't you just go home and say, I'm now Papa?
41:38 Speaker 05 I'm Papa now. I'm the artist formerly known as Dad.
41:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, walk in and go, Big Papa's home.
41:42 Speaker 05 Big Papa, no, not Big Papa.
41:43 Speaker 04 Big Papa's with.
41:46 Speaker 05 Little Papa?
41:48 Speaker 03 Little Papa's even weirder.
41:49 Speaker 05 Just Papa?
41:50 Speaker 03 Just straight up Papa.
41:50 Speaker 05 And what do they call their mum?
41:51 Speaker 03 Mama.
41:52 Speaker 05 Mama, Papa or Mama?
41:53 Speaker 03 Papa, Mama. Actually, my little one right now keeps trying to say, when she's trying to be cute, she says daddy, daddy, daddy, and I just don't.
41:59 Speaker 05 You don't respond? You walk out?
42:01 Speaker 03 I cold shoulder the crap.
42:04 Speaker 05 None of that shit?
42:04 Speaker 03 I'm Papa.
42:05 Speaker 05 I'm Papa. And if when you're, if they have kids and you become a grandparent, what's what?
42:10 Speaker 03 I'll probably still be Papa.
42:11 Speaker 05 Just Papa?
42:11 Speaker 03 Probably, because they'll probably call their, I don't know, it depends who they marry. I don't know.
42:16 Speaker 05 Yeah, of course, yeah.
42:16 Speaker 03 What language or who they marry, because it's a language thing, Papa.
42:19 Speaker 05 Yeah, of course, yeah.
42:20 Speaker 03 I don't know why I.
42:21 Speaker 05 Because if your English kid meets an English woman and then has an English kid.
42:24 Speaker 03 It's probably gonna be dad.
42:25 Speaker 05 Dad, yeah.
42:26 Speaker 03 I mean, I don't know, I do hear Papa.
42:28 Speaker 05 I'll double down on Papa.
42:29 Speaker 03 Double down on Papa.
42:30 Speaker 05 Why don't you call me Papa? Can we start there? And then I can bring it into my whole life. We'll start at work.
42:35 Speaker 03 Alright.
42:36 Speaker 04 Have you got the final question, Papa? We're not there yet. Quick question, have you gone for Italian names?
42:41 Speaker 03 No, we've, um, well, Connie, my eldest, I was listening to a lot of Connie Francis. I don't know if you know, she's like an old American Italian singer. And I also, I didn't realise, I just thought it'd be quite funny, Connie Corleone from The Godfather. I've always loved the name Connie. It's one of those things, so my eldest is called Connie, my son is called Winter.
43:03 Speaker 04 Which you don't have in Italy.
43:04 Speaker 03 Which we don't, well, we do in some, but yeah, we do.
43:07 Speaker 04 Do you know what? I was always surprised at Italian football, how bad the weather was.
43:10 Speaker 05 And there's snow around the edge, double that, Italy should be up.
43:12 Speaker 03 We're in the Alps, eh?
43:13 Speaker 05 I know, but with thick English.
43:15 Speaker 04 But it was always raining at the San Siro.
43:18 Speaker 03 No, the San Siro, Milano's the worst climate. And London is a better climate than Milano, because Milano is in the valley after the Alps.
43:25 Speaker 05 Yeah.
43:25 Speaker 03 So it's just fog, like, stuff gets stuck there. That's why they have such bad smog, there's no like breeze or nothing.
43:32 Speaker 04 I didn't like Milan when I went. I went for 24 hours.
43:35 Speaker 03 When?
43:35 Speaker 05 It's the best way to experience it. 24 hours, 2nd of January.
43:39 Speaker 04 Don't like it. With Freddie Flintoff, Jamie Redknapp and Jerry Halliwell.
43:43 Speaker 05 No, that was, I was supposed to be going to that.
43:45 Speaker 04 Be going to that.
43:46 Speaker 03 Was this for?
43:47 Speaker 04 League of their own.
43:48 Speaker 03 League of their own, yeah.
43:49 Speaker 04 Yeah.
43:49 Speaker 05 You took a penalty at the San Siro?
43:51 Speaker 04 I took a penalty at the San Siro, that was fun, against Bruce Groban.
43:53 Speaker 05 I was supposed to be doing it, but I broke my ankle and he got the gig. Talking about acting jobs. Oh, was it the five of us?
43:59 Speaker 03 That is very good.
44:00 Speaker 04 I was quite pleased, because I didn't really know the other three, but Rob must have went my way in. So when Rob broke his ankle, I was like, oh my god.
44:08 Speaker 04 Um, anyway, I didn't really like Milan.
44:11 Speaker 03 I used to hate Milano growing up. I grew up quite near it, like forty five minutes from it. But now I go and it's, it's a cool city. Like if I was in my early twenties, Milan would be a cool place to go and live.
44:21 Speaker 05 So how are you a Genoa fan?
44:22 Speaker 03 My family's from Genoa.
44:23 Speaker 05 Yeah. And whereabouts is that in relation?
44:25 Speaker 03 Genoa is just, so if you're in Milano, it's down to the way, it's basically just on the border with France.
44:30 Speaker 05 Ah, right. Nice.
44:32 Speaker 03 Where Christopher Columbus is from, the flag of St George.
44:34 Speaker 05 And who's their? Who's their, um, rival? Is it? Sam Doria. So that's the game to go to, is it?
44:41 Speaker 03 Well, no, because Sam Doria now is in third division.
44:43 Speaker 05 They're third.
44:43 Speaker 03 And they're going even further.
44:45 Speaker 04 But they won, do you remember Sam Doria winning the league?
44:47 Speaker 03 I remember, I met the whole team.
44:49 Speaker 04 Did you watch, via Arli and Mancina, yeah?
44:52 Speaker 05 Oh, wow.
44:53 Speaker 03 Cause I was in this little place called Portofino, where I used to, we used to go when we were kids in the summer. And all the team showed up for dinner.
44:59 Speaker 04 Oh, wow.
45:00 Speaker 03 And my father was like, what are you doing? And I was like, I'm gonna go get autographs. He's like, it's Sam Doria. Don't go near that fucking table.
45:06 Speaker 05 Oh, really?
45:07 Speaker 03 And I was like, pops. He was like, okay, go, go, go.
45:10 Speaker 05 Oh, amazing.
45:10 Speaker 03 I got all their autographs somewhere, but yeah, Lombardo, Paluca, Mancini.
45:14 Speaker 04 Oh, wow, what a team.
45:15 Speaker 03 Vierco, all those crazy guys.
45:17 Speaker 04 Do you cook Italian for your kids?
45:19 Speaker 03 Yeah, I do. I mean, they have a pretty like, I wouldn't say they have a pretty Italian lifestyle. But like, what I love now, and this is something I've realised as they grow older, when we go to Italy, they're totally at ease. Which is something I really, cause I remember when my daughter was about six and my son was three, going to Italy and I just saw them like, they were like deers in headlights.
45:39 Speaker 04 And you wouldn't have liked that?
45:41 Speaker 03 No, not that I didn't like it. I was just like, oh, my kids are really English. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like it was just an interest. I hadn't really thought about it, but then when we went to Italy, just how they're approached, like in Italy, especially where I go, like, the old local people make quite a fuss about kids. Like when you arrive, an old lady will run out of a shop that's known me since I was five and like pick up my kids and like do a whole thing and kiss them and give them biscuits.
46:05 Speaker 04 Imagine if they did that in the UK.
46:07 Speaker 03 They're not used to that where they go to Chipping Norton, like the local.
46:10 Speaker 05 Also, that is the most English place in England, Chipping Norton.
46:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, it really is.
46:14 Speaker 05 If you was in London, at least you could take them to little Italian restaurants.
46:17 Speaker 03 But they're very like, they're country, like they're country kids. The multiculturalism is still lacking in Chipping Norton when it comes to like that experience of community.
46:25 Speaker 05 When Jeremy Clarkson's on the red wine, he gets a bit of colour in his cheeks.
46:32 Speaker 05 He's knee deep in three bottles of rosé and lamb in season.
46:35 Speaker 04 And so you cook in a lot then?
46:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, we cook a lot. We have a very like, our house is also like the house that's kind of open door policy.
46:42 Speaker 04 Yeah.
46:42 Speaker 03 Like, so we have friends over all the time.
46:44 Speaker 04 Can't imagine anything worse.
46:45 Speaker 03 I know.
46:47 Speaker 05 Okay, the bond is broken.
46:49 Speaker 04 No, no, I think it's lovely for you to do that. The thought, you'd hate to have an open door policy in your house, wouldn't you Rob?
46:55 Speaker 05 Um, no, not when the kids are older.
46:57 Speaker 03 That's the thing.
46:58 Speaker 05 I think, just a general, like, oh, I don't, you know, but when the kids are older and they've got their own little unit and network, I'm a big fan of that being open. But not just generic like.
47:07 Speaker 03 Your neighbours going, do you know what?
47:08 Speaker 05 To be fair, we've got really good neighbours and their daughter had a baby and we were around to visit and we just wandered over, had a couple of beers, wandered back. And me and Louis were saying, we want to do that more with our neighbours.
47:17 Speaker 03 Did you?
47:18 Speaker 05 Well, no, that was last week. I'm a busy guy.
47:21 Speaker 03 I think that really matters. Like, that happened to us in lockdown with our neighbours. We would sort of meet on Fridays across the street.
47:26 Speaker 05 I think it's a nice thing to do.
47:27 Speaker 03 It's nice for the kids too, like, they get a sort of sense that like, I don't know, especially because I'm away a lot. And my wife goes away a lot too, so there's always sort of one of us kind of holding the fort. It's nice that they know that they've got support, they've got sort of stuff, a community around them.
47:40 Speaker 05 Also, my neighbour is in his late 50s, early 60s, and he's got two grown up daughters. I've got two daughters. And he moved into that house the same age I moved into that house. So I'm literally watching my life in 20 years.
47:52 Speaker 03 That's kind of weird.
47:53 Speaker 05 And it's mad because I'm just, I'm seeing these interactions with these women and their dad and I'm like, that is actually gonna be, I was almost taking notes of how to survive it. It's quite funny.
48:01 Speaker 03 And before you know it.
48:02 Speaker 05 Yeah.
48:03 Speaker 03 That's what's crazy. But it's nice you've got that sort of like.
48:05 Speaker 05 Yeah, he's lovely.
48:08 Speaker 03 How old, how old is your daughter?
48:10 Speaker 04 Eight.
48:10 Speaker 05 Almost gone, isn't it?
48:12 Speaker 03 It's a bit of a secondary school.
48:13 Speaker 04 Halfway to GCSEs, mate.
48:15 Speaker 05 So the time it has taken between her being born to now, that again, she won't want to know you.
48:21 Speaker 03 And that goes much quicker.
48:22 Speaker 04 I'd say being generous as well.
48:24 Speaker 05 Yeah.
48:25 Speaker 04 We've been getting these voicemails from people trying to make their kids say our names on this show.
48:29 Speaker 05 Yeah.
48:29 Speaker 04 And they're 13 year olds who don't, don't like their parents.
48:33 Speaker 05 I've got a feeling when the kids get older and they're not around as much, a bit like, you know, with your wife. Your midlife crisis might be, I think you're going to breed cats. And I think you love your kittens already. I think you're going to become a bit of a cat man.
48:45 Speaker 04 I'm, I'm just going to live in a house with 20 cats.
48:47 Speaker 05 Yeah, you'd love that.
48:48 Speaker 03 What is it about cats and like, you don't like dogs?
48:51 Speaker 04 Dogs dominate for me too much.
48:53 Speaker 03 Dogs dominate?
48:54 Speaker 04 Yeah.
48:55 Speaker 03 Interesting choice of.
48:58 Speaker 05 It's mad, that.
48:59 Speaker 03 No, no, I'm kidding.
49:00 Speaker 04 If there was a dog in this room, that would be dominating the whole way the there was a cat in this room.
49:08 Speaker 05 That's good.
49:09 Speaker 04 It'd be fine.
49:10 Speaker 05 That's true, that's a good point. I thought he meant they'd get all over you, right, bend you over and start fucking upping you.
49:16 Speaker 04 Yeah, and also I once got fucked up the arse by a dog.
49:19 Speaker 05 Well, do- dogs.
49:23 Speaker 04 And that's why I'll never go back to Milan.
49:25 Speaker 03 Never been there. I don't care how European it is, mate, you don't recover from that. If that's what European is, count me out.
49:37 Speaker 05 If that's what European is. Screaming on all fours, "Vote Brexit, I'm not having this."
49:45 Speaker 03 Leave means leave from my anus.
49:46 Speaker 05 Taking back control.
49:49 Speaker 03 Yeah, taking back control.
49:50 Speaker 05 He's taking back control of his border.
49:52 Speaker 03 Anyway.
49:55 Speaker 05 Oh, anyway.
49:56 Speaker 03 Final question.
49:57 Speaker 05 Fuck, I'm so off.
49:59 Speaker 03 Good episode, good episode, great episode.
50:01 Speaker 05 You're on tour, album's out, I'm sorry, you're on tour in the autumn.
50:06 Speaker 03 I'm on tour in the autumn.
50:07 Speaker 04 I'm gonna do the dates, while you do the final question, Rob, I'm gonna sort up the dates.
50:11 Speaker 05 Okay, right, well, just I'll ask you the question, you can have a think, and then he'll reel it out, the dates. Seamless. Final question.
50:17 Speaker 04 I like the hoodies on your website.
50:19 Speaker 03 They're quite cool, there's one, there's a great t-shirt, I'm not selling my merchandise, don't worry, I don't have to, I'm not catching it, but there's a really cool t-shirt for Do It For Love.
50:26 Speaker 05 I've got, I'm going sushi next week, can you match in caps?
50:28 Speaker 03 There's a tote, there's always a fucking tote, isn't there? There's always a fucking tote to carry the shit you buy. That's the plan. Yeah, I don't know when the tote became a thing. No, but they, you can't do merch without a tote. You can't do merch without a tote, I guess it is a way of saying buy a bag to carry the stuff you buy.
50:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
50:44 Speaker 05 What's one thing your wife does as a mother where you go, "Oh my god, I'm so lucky that I've had children with this woman, she's incredible." What's the one thing she does as a parent that makes you go, "It's a little bit annoying, I don't want to bring it up," but if she was listening, she'd go, "Fair point."
50:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, fair point. I mean, I think the mag- the magic of her is the feeling of home wherever we go, like, and of course, our house is just incredible, and like, I see, I see Just with friends and family that come over, it's just a sense of home when you arrive. It's very warm and I can see in the confidence of our kids when we're at home, they're just so at ease. But she manages to do that like anywhere and this is just kind of a good, but like we can travel 12 hours on a plane, get into a hotel room within like an hour, it feels like our home.
51:25 Speaker 05 Yeah, that's such a skill, yeah.
51:27 Speaker 03 It's a skill. I'm like, how have you done this? Like, the hotel room is cozy now, sort of thanks to her.
51:31 Speaker 05 Yeah, every hotel I've ever gone in, it's like first night of divorce. It's just nothing, there's nothing, I could be in there for days, I never, I never put any stamp on it, but Lou can make it, yeah.
51:41 Speaker 03 Me neither, I'm in and I'm out, like I barely, I sort of just about open my suitcase, but when my wife shows up, sometimes against my thing, but it becomes our home, like.
51:49 Speaker 05 Oh, it's beautiful.
51:50 Speaker 03 She's just got that, it's a vibe thing.
51:53 Speaker 05 Yeah.
51:53 Speaker 03 It's a vibe.
51:54 Speaker 05 And the one slight negative?
51:55 Speaker 03 Uh, hectic, I would say.
51:57 Speaker 05 Hectic.
51:57 Speaker 03 Very hectic. I mean, her diary looks like a Basquiat painting, like, and she's always very much like, she always wants to sort of do the agenda of the sort of the week, like she wants to be very organized. Like the intention is brilliant, but the actions don't really.
52:11 Speaker 05 Artistic temperament.
52:12 Speaker 03 Artistic temperament. So in her mind, she's really organized. She says, I'm always really organized, I know this, but we've shown up to people's houses for dinner and they're like, what are you doing here?
52:21 Speaker 05 I think it's fine to be disorganized, but I know people where you're like, it's the people that think they're organized that are disorganized, you're like.
52:28 Speaker 03 That's what kills me.
52:29 Speaker 05 You're insane, because I've seen your life, it's chaos. Don't pretend that it's not, just because you've got a spreadsheet.
52:35 Speaker 03 And that's what drives me crazy is the illusion of being organized when, I mean, you just, it is like little aeroplane shooting dates and all.
52:43 Speaker 05 Are you organized?
52:44 Speaker 03 Uh, no, I'm disorganized, but I'm aware of it.
52:47 Speaker 05 And do you know what? And that's right, because when I met you this morning in Lyon at nine thirty AM, you turned up holding a razor and shaving cream. I thought this is not a man that's in control of his day.
52:58 Speaker 03 Life is in control of him.
53:00 Speaker 05 And he's clinging on.
53:02 Speaker 04 Okay, tour dates.
53:04 Speaker 03 Tour dates, yeah.
53:05 Speaker 04 So, ho, ho, ho.
53:06 Speaker 03 There's a lot of them.
53:07 Speaker 04 Kingston?
53:08 Speaker 03 No, like, no.
53:08 Speaker 05 Jamaica?
53:09 Speaker 03 No, no.
53:10 Speaker 05 Kick it off Jamaica.
53:11 Speaker 04 Is that the one where you launched the album?
53:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, Kingston's a record store thing.
53:14 Speaker 04 That's a clever thing, that.
53:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, it is a good thing.
53:16 Speaker 04 Because then everyone comes and they buy an album. Everyone does that one. I don't know why that Kingston one. Gorillaz did it loads of.
53:23 Speaker 03 It's the record store there that does it.
53:25 Speaker 04 Yeah.
53:26 Speaker 03 I'm blanking now because it's a banquet.
53:27 Speaker 04 Circuit.
53:28 Speaker 03 Banquet.
53:28 Speaker 04 Circuit.
53:29 Speaker 03 Circuit, not banquet records?
53:31 Speaker 04 Oh, maybe.
53:31 Speaker 03 Well, no, that's the record launch, which is great.
53:33 Speaker 04 Ah, yeah.
53:34 Speaker 03 Which is great for.
53:35 Speaker 04 And then Royal Albert Hall.
53:36 Speaker 05 Oh.
53:37 Speaker 03 We did that last week, man. That was insane.
53:39 Speaker 04 May the 27th?
53:40 Speaker 03 We're doing it May 27th, but we did the first one.
53:42 Speaker 05 Oh, you're doing two?
53:43 Speaker 03 We're doing two, yeah.
53:44 Speaker 05 Amazing. How was it?
53:45 Speaker 03 It was mad, dude. And honestly, the kids thing is what threw me. Like, I was prepared for it to be an intense, emotional night. Like, it's taken us 20 years to get there and it was a real, like, chance to look at the fans and yeah, and go thank. Because I've never had that song that's gotten us there. Like, this is them. Like, this is fans have gotten us to that sort of stage. And I looked out and I was gonna do my whole thank you to the fans in the crowd. And I just looked up and I saw my three little hedgehogs, like, in the balcony there. And I was like, oh.
54:10 Speaker 04 You've got three hedgehogs as well.
54:12 Speaker 05 Let him have, he was gonna cry then. That was how Stephen Bartlett lined it up.
54:16 Speaker 03 You ruined it, man.
54:16 Speaker 05 All the bloody people listening to Hedgehogs are blessed. I love Jack Severin. You fucking snipe him.
54:22 Speaker 03 Sorry for doing.
54:23 Speaker 05 Fucking emotional sniper. He's about to go. Look, now he's covering his tears with laughter. We had him on the ropes.
54:28 Speaker 03 You had him on hedgehogs.
54:30 Speaker 05 Hedgehogs. Did you wave or say anything to the kid?
54:32 Speaker 03 No, it was, it was one in particular. It was my, my, my five-year-old was just sat, like, that classic, like, rolled out, like, sort of, you know, like, on the balcony like that. And I, and I realised she has no idea what Papa does. Like, my 14-year-old, my 11-year-old, they've seen, they've been around.
54:46 Speaker 04 Yeah, of course.
54:46 Speaker 03 They know what goes on. They've seen the good, the bad and the ugly. This little one is like, what? Like, what's Papa doing? I don't, I really don't think, even though she saw me before the show, I could, she just wasn't expecting me to be the guy walking out.
55:00 Speaker 04 Yeah.
55:00 Speaker 03 She just had this, like, what's going on sort of look. And I could see it from, you can see quite clearly at the moment.
55:05 Speaker 05 Yes, everyone's quite close, aren't they?
55:07 Speaker 03 Everyone's quite intimate. And so that really threw me. The, the whole game plan just went out of the window. But it was lovely, yeah.
55:12 Speaker 05 So you're doing that again on 27th of May?
55:14 Speaker 04 27th of June, doing State Fair Chelmsford?
55:16 Speaker 03 Yeah, that's gonna be great. That's with Alanis Morissette. We're opening up.
55:18 Speaker 05 Oh, wow.
55:19 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was supposed to be Neil Young, but he cancelled all of his things.
55:23 Speaker 04 Bond, Zagreb, Biograd in Serbia, Athena.
55:27 Speaker 05 Belgrade. Fucking hell, Josh, you're not with me.
55:30 Speaker 04 Belgrade.
55:32 Speaker 04 Bucharest, Budapest, Krakow, Warsaw, Vilnius, Berlin, Hamburg, Amsterdam, yeah I am, Utrecht, Luton, Paris, Zurich, Milano.
55:45 Speaker 03 You won't come back.
55:47 Speaker 04 Plymouth.
55:47 Speaker 03 Raff raff. Plymouth.
55:49 Speaker 04 Plymouth.
55:50 Speaker 05 Plymouth? How's that stuck in after Zagreb and Milan?
55:53 Speaker 04 Milan to Plymouth, you've got five days to get your head back together.
55:56 Speaker 03 I know, oh no.
55:57 Speaker 04 To set your levels a bit lower.
55:59 Speaker 05 What are you doing in Plymouth? The pavilions?
56:01 Speaker 04 The arena, yeah, I think that's the pavilions.
56:03 Speaker 03 The pavilions, yeah.
56:04 Speaker 04 Guildhall in Portsmouth. Plymouth to Portsmouth, two nights in a row.
56:08 Speaker 03 Rock and roll.
56:11 Speaker 04 Plymouth Portsmouth Gate said, fucking hell, it changes when you leave Europe, doesn't it?
56:18 Speaker 04 Two nights in Gateshead.
56:20 Speaker 03 I told you.
56:20 Speaker 04 Manchester, Manchester, Hull, Glasgow, Belfast, Dublin, Sheffield, Oxford, Cambridge, Nottingham, Cardiff Arena, Nottingham again, all ending at the Symphony Hall in Birmingham.
56:33 Speaker 05 Lovely.
56:34 Speaker 03 Close to home.
56:34 Speaker 05 Jack, thank you so much.
56:36 Speaker 03 Guys, thank you so much for having me.
56:37 Speaker 04 You were brilliant.
56:38 Speaker 03 Thank you.
56:38 Speaker 05 Let's go to Genoa.
56:39 Speaker 04 I love that. Yeah, let's go to Genoa.
56:40 Speaker 03 Let's go to Genoa, watch the game.
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