S12 EP42: Tinie Tempah

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• 2:14Speaker 03

  Ah, I loved that when I was a kid.

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• 2:32Speaker 04

  Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hell with.

• 2:34Speaker 05

  Okay, Joe, say Rob Beckett.

• 2:41Speaker 05

  Say Rob Beckett.

• 2:44Speaker 05

  No. Maybe. Say Rob Beckett.

• 2:49Speaker 04

  She talking to a dog?

• 2:50Speaker 05

  Say Josh Whittaker.

• 2:54Speaker 05

  Okay, fair enough.

• 2:55Speaker 03

  There you go. Surly teenager. Did you hear it?

• 2:58Speaker 04

  No, I've heard nothing.

• 3:00Speaker 03

  Oh, you couldn't hear him?

• 3:01Speaker 04

  No.

• 3:01Speaker 03

  Oh, he said, are you filming, you recording? She said, yeah.

• 3:04Speaker 04

  Why do I, if I can't hear very well, shut my eyes and lean forward?

• 3:08Speaker 03

  I know.

• 3:08Speaker 04

  Buckets gonna, oh, all of a sudden.

• 3:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:11Speaker 04

  I used to, when my car, my, I had an old car that used to like break and you'd, if you could smell, you'd, you'd, as you smell smoke.

• 3:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:18Speaker 04

  You said to keep sort of a nose out for the smoke.

• 3:20Speaker 03

  Right, yeah.

• 3:21Speaker 04

  If I thought it was happening, I'd turn the radio down. But not, you know, that's not gonna affect my nose, but it shows I'm on, I'm on it, I'm focusing.

• 3:29Speaker 03

  I'll do that. If I'm late for a train.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:32Speaker 03

  I'll, I'll stop the music that I'm listening to on my arm.

• 3:34Speaker 04

  To focus on getting on the train.

• 3:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I'm like, as if the music's gonna slow me down crossing the footbridge.

• 3:42Speaker 04

  Depends what you're listening to.

• 3:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, maybe I should go on to my pace setter playlist available on BBC Sounds.

• 3:47Speaker 04

  Oh, here, I've got a pace setter playlist on BBC Sounds.

• 3:50Speaker 03

  I've taken over the pace setter playlist.

• 3:51Speaker 04

  God, you're such a Beeb guy, aren't you?

• 3:53Speaker 03

  Uh, hi, sexy beasts. Love the pod. You asked for intros from older kids. Here's my eldest bundle of joy, Joe, who's about to sit his GCSEs.

• 4:02Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 4:03Speaker 03

  Yes, he is, isn't he, guys? It's.

• 4:05Speaker 04

  Oh, it's horrible.

• 4:06Speaker 03

  Oh. I should have done a video recording to capture the look of absolute disdain that only teen can give a parent. Much love, Reem, R E E M, uh, from near Reading.

• 4:18Speaker 04

  Her name's Reem.

• 4:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, like Dreamy.

• 4:21Speaker 04

  Like Jo- Joey Essex.

• 4:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 4:23Speaker 04

  He invented the word reem.

• 4:25Speaker 03

  I have a vague memory that these are more likely to be read out if sent early in the morning, so I've scheduled a 4am send. Hope it works. Fair play, fair play.

• 4:33Speaker 04

  Absolutely. I think they could schedule a send.

• 4:35Speaker 03

  We're not gonna say who it was, but heartbreakingly, there was another email, but I couldn't make the MP3 work, so.

• 4:41Speaker 04

  Katie Maynard.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  Oh, don't do that to her. Kate, do you know what? Katie Maynard, send it in again.

• 4:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:47Speaker 03

  Cause I felt terrible.

• 4:49Speaker 04

  And I think we need some more children rather than adults.

• 4:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're done with the adults now. Also, teenagers' voices are surely deeper than when we were teenagers.

• 4:56Speaker 04

  It's mental, isn't it? Rob, okay.

• 4:58Speaker 03

  What's going on?

• 4:59Speaker 04

  Josh Woodham, you mug. And that's a 13-year-old Sam from the Wirral.

• 5:06Speaker 03

  Tiny temper today.

• 5:07Speaker 04

  Yes!

• 5:08Speaker 03

  Question.

• 5:09Speaker 04

  Go on.

• 5:09Speaker 03

  What are you gonna call him?

• 5:10Speaker 04

  Mr. Temper?

• 5:11Speaker 03

  Mr. Temper?

• 5:12Speaker 04

  Tiny?

• 5:13Speaker 03

  Would you call him Tiny?

• 5:14Speaker 04

  Tine?

• 5:15Speaker 03

  Tine.

• 5:15Speaker 04

  Alright, Tine.

• 5:16Speaker 03

  TT?

• 5:17Speaker 04

  TT, I don't know. We'll ask him that.

• 5:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:20Speaker 04

  Uh, I assume his kids call him dad.

• 5:22Speaker 03

  He's got two kids. Have you met him before?

• 5:23Speaker 04

  I've messaged him, cause he's messaged me on Instagram, but it's hard to get diaries. Yeah, no, I said, yeah, we'll get you booked in. I took his email and stuff, and then gave it to Michael, and look.

• 5:33Speaker 03

  Here we are.

• 5:33Speaker 04

  A year later.

• 5:34Speaker 03

  Bring him on.

• 5:34Speaker 04

  We're here. Let's bring him in.

• 5:38Speaker 04

  Tiny temper, welcome. Straight in. We go fuck about.

• 5:44Speaker 03

  How are you guys doing, man?

• 5:45Speaker 04

  That's how we do it, though. Do you not like that? Is it too?

• 5:47Speaker 03

  I love it. No, it's good, it's better.

• 5:49Speaker 04

  Um, we've done an intro to you already.

• 5:51Speaker 03

  I've got a game for you.

• 5:52Speaker 04

  Oh, go on.

• 5:53Speaker 03

  Guess what? Guess what his hot drink of choice is? Don't look at it. What do you mean, I'm meant to be guessing?

• 5:58Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, but it's hard just to cut. Oh, no, I suppose it would just ruin it if I guess. So I don't think it's coffee, I don't think it's tea, cause it would be boring if that was the other. The worst game ever.

• 6:07Speaker 03

  Do you know what? Let's move on then.

• 6:08Speaker 04

  It's a milky coffee.

• 6:11Speaker 04

  Um, part of me, I, I think Horlick's is too left field, maybe hot chocolate.

• 6:18Speaker 06

  Correct.

• 6:19Speaker 04

  Is it?

• 6:19Speaker 06

  Man, after my heart.

• 6:20Speaker 04

  A hearty chocky?

• 6:21Speaker 06

  Bloody hell, I love it. I've got to have it every day.

• 6:24Speaker 04

  Just one a day?

• 6:24Speaker 06

  One a day, yeah. I'm not crazy.

• 6:26Speaker 04

  But it's like half twelve.

• 6:28Speaker 03

  Are you worried about the calories?

• 6:28Speaker 06

  Uh, do you know what? Sort of. I, I do reckon it's gonna catch up with me as, you know, life progresses, but I work out a lot. I'm like a, I'm insane.

• 6:37Speaker 04

  Jiu Jitsu, innit?

• 6:39Speaker 06

  Jiu Jitsu man, yeah. So I think I should be all right, hopefully. It's why.

• 6:42Speaker 04

  You can take a hot choc a day, can't you?

• 6:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, and I don't really have too many desserts. I don't have sweets. I don't snack. So this is like my little.

• 6:49Speaker 04

  That's your little thing?

• 6:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, my little thing.

• 6:51Speaker 04

  So after dinner, if you've got a little excitement for a bit of sweet, you're just not having it?

• 6:55Speaker 06

  No, I'm not having it, bro.

• 6:56Speaker 04

  You're just not having it?

• 6:57Speaker 06

  Unless it's a sticky toffee pudding.

• 6:59Speaker 04

  Oh wow, that is, yeah.

• 7:00Speaker 06

  On a Sunday maybe.

• 7:00Speaker 04

  But that would be like a Sunday on a restaurant tree.

• 7:03Speaker 06

  You know, exactly. Once a week, once a month, max.

• 7:05Speaker 03

  Welcome to off menu.

• 7:06Speaker 06

  There you go.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  Have you done off menu? I bet you've done off menu, haven't you?

• 7:09Speaker 06

  I haven't, no.

• 7:10Speaker 04

  Oh, you should.

• 7:11Speaker 06

  What was I saying? Is it good?

• 7:12Speaker 03

  I don't know, it's not for me.

• 7:14Speaker 04

  They talk about what you and I have for, for dinner.

• 7:16Speaker 06

  Is it?

• 7:16Speaker 04

  And we've done that.

• 7:18Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 7:18Speaker 04

  Throwaway.

• 7:19Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 7:19Speaker 04

  That's their main thing.

• 7:20Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 7:21Speaker 04

  And we're just fucking.

• 7:22Speaker 06

  You guys just did it in like two minutes.

• 7:22Speaker 04

  We're whipping through that in the first minute and go, yeah, bored of that, because that's a shit idea for a whole show.

• 7:27Speaker 06

  Well.

• 7:28Speaker 04

  But they do well, to be fair.

• 7:29Speaker 06

  You said it, not me.

• 7:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:30Speaker 06

  Guys, if you call me, I'll still probably do it.

• 7:32Speaker 04

  We were chatting before we started. You've had a bit of a break from music.

• 7:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 7:36Speaker 04

  How many kids you got?

• 7:37Speaker 06

  I've got more than one, less than five.

• 7:41Speaker 04

  Boris Johnson?

• 7:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, Boris Johnson, yeah. I like, I wanna, I wanna keep a bit of mystique.

• 7:47Speaker 04

  Fair enough.

• 7:47Speaker 06

  You know, in a time where everyone divulges everything, you still gotta keep a bit of mystique, but.

• 7:51Speaker 03

  Okay, that's cool.

• 7:51Speaker 06

  Um, I can say one is seven. One is seven, one is also four. We can work with those now.

• 7:57Speaker 04

  Okay, that's great. Yeah, one is seven, okay.

• 7:58Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 7:58Speaker 04

  So that may have coincided a bit with your, so did you have a conscious break from bringing albums out?

• 8:03Speaker 06

  It was a conscious break, yeah. I got to about thirty, I'm thirty seven now. And I was just like, you know what, like, everything I dreamt of doing when I was twelve years old, I've pretty much done it. So I mean, I, you know, from Olympics to Glastonbury to like getting number one records. Uh, I was doing a. Two hundred metres.

• 8:23Speaker 03

  You performed in the Olympics?

• 8:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, I performed in the Olympics.

• 8:25Speaker 03

  Did you go to the ceremony?

• 8:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, in East London, yeah, it was mental. So, um, did that with, you know, Danny Boyle, he put the whole thing together. We got this like letter, everything is under embargo, you must sign this N D A.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 8:38Speaker 06

  Queen, well, the remaining part of Queen was there, Spice Girls, it was ridiculous, like, mental. So, in terms of like bucket list stuff, I've, I've been like, I've done it. And you hear all these stories, obviously, when you enter the entertainment world of like, you know, everyone goes through the highs and lows and then sometimes you can have the best career, but you just end up in this super dark place, do you know what I mean? And recreational stuff starts happening, you spiral out of control. I didn't wanna be that guy. So I was like, let me just, you know, settle down, let me have some kids and let me just get into like the normal realms of life. Because prior to that, I remember having days when I'd be like super anxious to like go to a Tesco's like, I'd be in a mad hoodie, I'd be like, but now I don't feel like that at all. Like, it doesn't matter if one or two people recognise me or ask for a picture.

• 9:23Speaker 06

  And I think this break definitely helped me with kind of getting rid of all that anxiety and, you know.

• 9:29Speaker 03

  That's where we went wrong.

• 9:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what Josh needs to do.

• 9:33Speaker 06

  You guys just kept on going.

• 9:34Speaker 04

  Well, it's true, because it's hard to manage.

• 9:36Speaker 03

  And were you panicking about it, panicking about it all disappearing?

• 9:38Speaker 06

  Yeah, I was panicking about it, um, all disappearing. I think I still to this day have a bit of imposter syndrome. So I've definitely got this whole, you know, council estate mindset.

• 9:48Speaker 04

  Where you come from in sort of Plumstead, Abbey Wood?

• 9:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 9:51Speaker 04

  Like, my, my family's all from there, my nan and grandad.

• 9:53Speaker 06

  Oi, oi.

• 9:54Speaker 04

  Do you know Mottisfont Road by the train track line? That's where my nan and grandad live.

• 9:57Speaker 06

  I always get stuck, especially with my white friends, because you guys are good at that. Like, all, all the lads from my school, when they go, oh, do you know this road next to that and that? My bearings are so bad, I can tell, I know Winds Common, I know Plumstead Common, I know Plumstead High Street.

• 10:10Speaker 04

  Well, they were more Abbey Wood than Plumstead, my, my nan and grandad.

• 10:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, Abbey Wood, S E two is a bit.

• 10:15Speaker 04

  And that, but it's, that, that kind of area, it's like, no one really does what you've done from the area really. You're very much an anomaly.

• 10:23Speaker 06

  But I'll tell you what, though, the other day I did, um, the Sidemen, um, halftime show.

• 10:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:28Speaker 06

  You know, the majority of the, or I don't wanna say all of them, but the majority of. The Sidemen are from where where we're from.

• 10:33Speaker 04

  The Sidemen?

• 10:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, didn't know that all Belvedere.

• 10:36Speaker 03

  If anything, you're an underachiever, Rob.

• 10:38Speaker 04

  Well, I thought they were all from like Hertfordshire. KSI is part of Sidemen, isn't he?

• 10:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. So maybe from when I first met KSI, he was living in like Kent, like Orpington.

• 10:48Speaker 04

  Orpington, yeah, so he bought a big mansion.

• 10:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, a big mansion thing. So maybe he had moved from Hertfordshire, maybe. But the rest of them, like Zerkar and the rest of the guys, they're all from like Belvedere.

• 10:58Speaker 04

  I didn't know that.

• 10:59Speaker 06

  Didn't know.

• 11:00Speaker 03

  There you go, Rob.

• 11:00Speaker 06

  Yeah. Toby Jizzle, he went to, he went to a school in Bexley Heath.

• 11:04Speaker 04

  I mean, if I was ten years younger, I think I would have been the YouTuber.

• 11:07Speaker 06

  Been, you would have maybe qualified.

• 11:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, but I just went into comedy. Yeah, but yeah, I'm thirsty for it.

• 11:14Speaker 03

  You'd have made six times the money.

• 11:16Speaker 04

  I really had to put a lid on the thirst. You don't look thirsty at any point. I feel like I'm constant.

• 11:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, so technically I'm harsh.

• 11:24Speaker 04

  Trying to rein it back in. So is this natural for you to be calm and considered and making these choices like to have seven years out? Or did someone have to convince you? It feels like you've always been quite in control.

• 11:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, I've always been quite in control and to be fair, it was a huge risk. Like even getting back to it, it was. It did, to be honest, I don't feel like I was met with a bit of resistance. I've been fortunate. It feels like there's a lot of love out there for me, but. You know, you do kind of feel like you're starting again to a certain degree. I'm just lucky that, you know, I haven't got a sad story. Do you get me?

• 11:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:53Speaker 06

  Highs and lows have happened, but I've been very successful, so.

• 11:56Speaker 04

  It wasn't like you got that problem with drink or drugs and then had to stop.

• 11:59Speaker 06

  Exactly, exactly.

• 12:00Speaker 04

  Have you done, what have you, because I don't feel like, as someone that's aware of Tiny Temper, that you've sort of gone gone. I feel like. I don't know, I just feel like you're still around, but have you done nothing in that seven to eight years then?

• 12:12Speaker 06

  So in the seven to eight years, I think I basically settled down, had kids, picked up jiu jitsu. Started doing a bit of TV work, so coming for your gigs.

• 12:21Speaker 04

  Yeah. I'm glad to see you're back in the music.

• 12:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly.

• 12:26Speaker 03

  And can I just say, you feel comfortable in the music?

• 12:28Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 12:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, that feels to me where you should be.

• 12:30Speaker 06

  No, but I like the reassurance, but like, um, yeah, set up a studio. So we had studios before in Greenwich, but we were renting those and then we got one of those horrible letters, you know, we're gonna turn it into residences.

• 12:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:42Speaker 06

  You've got X amount of months to move out. So we, we ended up buying a place in, uh, northwest London. Um, and so I did that, but that was like three years ago. So in this whole interim period, that's pretty much what I've been doing.

• 12:53Speaker 03

  What was it like doing that kind of gear shift to like, you're, you know, doing huge festivals, you're doing huge gigs, you're doing the Olympics and then you're doing, you know, nappy changing?

• 13:05Speaker 06

  Do you know what? Great question.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 13:08Speaker 06

  I think it was a bit of a.

• 13:10Speaker 04

  That means a lot to him, by the way.

• 13:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's.

• 13:11Speaker 04

  He'll really, he'll think about that in his dark moments.

• 13:14Speaker 03

  Don't give that to Rob.

• 13:15Speaker 06

  No, I won't. I won't. I won't say it again.

• 13:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, I do.

• 13:17Speaker 04

  You wait for some of these questions coming your way. You're gonna have to work really hard not to say it.

• 13:21Speaker 06

  Excited, excited. It was a bit of a shock to the system, to be fair. Like, like I was saying before, it was a conscious decision, but I didn't quite know what I was getting myself into.

• 13:30Speaker 03

  No.

• 13:30Speaker 06

  Actually, to be honest, and that's probably the whole premise of the podcast to a certain degree. So the actual reality of it, especially as an artist, and I think it's quite fair to say, maybe not every single artist is like this, but you're quite self-absorbed. It's all about you, you know, it's all about your image, it's all about, you know, what you're doing for the day. People are telling you your schedule, people are running around after you. So to now have to kind of transfer that, transfer that, um, and then now have to kind of put yourself second.

• 14:01Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 14:02Speaker 06

  And then, you know, then the family comes first. I, I will be very honest, which was one of the reasons why I wanted to come on this podcast. It was a bit of like a baptism of fire for me. It was like, oh, you've got to figure out how to do this because you're so programmed to think and act a certain type of way. So at first I was of the mindset that like, I don't wanna change any nappies.

• 14:22Speaker 04

  Really?

• 14:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, at first, like, I don't wanna do this, like.

• 14:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:26Speaker 06

  And, but then I've now got to a place with the amount of children I have just by default, um, where, you know, not like I enjoy it, who enjoys changing? Changing nappies, but actually, you know, that bonding time of like the bedtimes, the bath times, reading the stories, the changing them. You know, one, one of my kids might wake up in the middle of the night and then I'll just go and sleep in their bed. Actually, after a couple of years, I've kind of adjusted into it and it's the thing I look forward to the most.

• 14:53Speaker 03

  I think that's totally the, I think we've all, it is quite a selfish job that we've all got.

• 14:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 14:59Speaker 03

  And it's very easy to, you know, by pursuing that, it is quite a, I'm doing this for myself kind of thing.

• 15:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, of course.

• 15:07Speaker 03

  A real gear shift and I think it did take me quite a while to kind of put myself second in that way. What about you?

• 15:14Speaker 04

  I think it's the same though. It's a bit like, well, no, I'll, you know, your partner can go, well, I'll do that because you've got a gig or got go to work tomorrow if your partner's at home. But like, when you were at home, not touring and not writing music in the studio and stuff, like, was it properly fifty fifty of the parenting or?

• 15:29Speaker 06

  No, I think my, my missus was great in the sense that I think, you know, we've, we've been together for a while and she, she kind of knows me. And I think, like I said, I've definitely matured and it is very much now more fifty fifty than it can be. Obviously with all of our jobs, there'll be days when you have to travel and you know, you'll be away for a week, two weeks, even a bit longer. Where, you know, it kind of tips, but for the most part, when I'm around, it's fifty fifty.

• 15:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:53Speaker 04

  Um. So at the start though, when she was saying she didn't, you know, you didn't want to do nappies and things like that, like, how did she take that? And was it a lot of conversation between you both or was it, you just slowly got into it? Was it?

• 16:04Speaker 06

  I think it was more my actions. It wasn't me overtly saying it. Obviously I have a lot of respect for my partner. So it wasn't, I wasn't like arrogant about it. It was just more the way, you know.

• 16:17Speaker 04

  She's already doing it. I'll let her do it.

• 16:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, she's doing it. I'll just leave her to do it. But obviously now in hindsight, I realise like, we're both being affected by it. It's a thankless job as well. Do you know what I mean? I think maybe hopefully one day the kids will go, oh, thank you for everything that you did. But versus, you know, what we do on a day to day basis, you're instantly kind of gratified, whether it's on social media. Whether it's your, you know, paycheck that you receive, but this is like, you're putting every, the same amount of effort into it, if not more, but it's thankless. And so I think for me, I kind of convinced myself that like, you know. It's, you know, because she's a mother and she'd always been very maternal. This was something that, you know, she would enjoy way more than I would. This is something she would naturally

• 17:02Speaker 06

  take to more than I would. But now I don't really think like that. It's like, it's difficult for everyone, yeah.

• 17:09Speaker 03

  I think it's good to be, I think it's great to be honest about that because I think there's a lot of, you know, um, people that would go from the off, I had this moment and I felt like this and my life changed. I think it is, can be a much longer adaption to those kind of things.

• 17:21Speaker 04

  But then also like in different generations, it was only like, well, my dad, he's got five kids.

• 17:26Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 17:27Speaker 04

  And then like for the first one, he weren't even at the hospital.

• 17:30Speaker 06

  There you go.

• 17:30Speaker 04

  He just stayed at the pub and that weren't even like he's being out of order. It was like, he was actually a little bit like, no, don't invade her space, leave her alone in the hospital. So it's like, within like forty years.

• 17:39Speaker 06

  You tried to push that one through with Lou, didn't you?

• 17:41Speaker 04

  No, no, I was like, no, I wanted to be there. I was actually in the delivery suite three days before seeing a few others. Come through.

• 17:48Speaker 03

  See what it's like, yeah.

• 17:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, just to get a feel for it. We've got our dress rehearsals, you know. Just sort of there looking, taking notes filming.

• 17:54Speaker 06

  Why didn't I do that? But even that, even that, just being honest, I remember when we got to the, um, uh, hospital and we did, we did that whole like lindoing stuff and all that kind of stuff. So I remember we got there and then I brought all my duvets in and pillows and all this different stuff, shower gel. And I remember like the midwife's being like, oh bloody hell, like I've never seen like a man come here so like, basically, she was basically trying to say like so kind of focused on himself. Yeah, like so like, wow, you pulled out all the stops. You wanna be as comfortable as possible. And so from the off, you kind of feel, well, I kind of felt, I can't, you know, imbue it on anyone else, but I kind of felt like this is not about me. This is, you know, about my partner and the child.

• 18:39Speaker 06

  Um, and I'm kind of secondary in all of this. And then in all fairness as well, like the first couple of months, when the baby can't really talk or, you know, kind of let you know what they're thinking or feeling, you kind of feel, or I kind of felt a bit surplus to requirement. I was like, well, what do I really do here?

• 18:55Speaker 03

  A lot of making toast.

• 18:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, they want their mum, like they're drinking breast milk, like that apart from the change in nappies bit and maybe going to see them in the night, there's not much that I can do anyway. So let me just get on with what I'm doing.

• 19:08Speaker 04

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• 21:20Speaker 03

  Your wife's an artist.

• 21:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, she's an artist, yeah.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  So, how did she adapt to that kind of thing? Did she, has she taken time off as well? Or like, two of you are creatives.

• 21:30Speaker 06

  Creatives, yeah.

• 21:30Speaker 03

  So, because it's easy to go, I'm gonna take time off. But if you're a creative, both of you, that presumably have always created, wanted to create.

• 21:40Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 21:41Speaker 03

  Have you been able to turn that off? Do you know what I mean? Or are you like, thinking, oh, that's a good idea, I'll come back to that in six years?

• 21:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think, I think the beauty of being a creative is that, you know, you don't, you know, of course, like, she's, she's done loads of exhibitions and whatnot, and loads of collaborations with different brands and whatnot. But you can kind of move at your own pace. It's not really like, you know, you're not really contracted to kind of work with this like, production company or TV network and have to be there at a certain time. So, that's the luxury that we've always had. But again, kind of just like absolving myself of my sins. I think I also was like, you're an artist and you kind of can do this in your own time and in your own pace. So, I'm gonna kind of prioritize what I need to do. Because, you know, technically, artists really get recognized when they're 60.

• 22:29Speaker 06

  You've got at least, you've got at least another, you know, 20, 30 years before anyone really, you know, like, the value of the work starts to go up. This is just me kind of telling myself this, by the way. So, I was like, delusional to, to a kind of completely different extent. But that was what I continued telling myself. Like, you're gonna make art for the rest of your life. And then, as you get older, you know, kind of maybe Tracy Emin style, then, you know, people are gonna start to think and then the value's gonna go up or whatever. So, it doesn't really matter about what you're doing for now. It matters more so about me. I'm the one that's on the clock, do you get what I mean?

• 23:04Speaker 03

  In the music industry, yeah.

• 23:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, that can age out and that can this and that can that. But I think over the years, I've begun to kind of appreciate that like we both have had to make sacrifices. And so, you know, we just have to respect one another's kind of passions and ability to work. So there'll be now, you know, there's numerous days in the week where I'll be like, you know what? I'll take the backseat, I'll be at home, I'll do the school run, the pickup, I'll put the kids to bed, you go and do what you need to do.

• 23:32Speaker 04

  Because I think there is a, you know, a pressure, a pressure in the music industry as well. Because if you're young and you're cool, and especially in like rap music and stuff like that.

• 23:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 23:41Speaker 04

  No one's really coming out and rapping about, yeah, I'm, you know, doing the school run and having kids ages you up so much.

• 23:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, it does.

• 23:48Speaker 04

  And so it's like, it's almost like not encouraged to be spoken about.

• 23:52Speaker 06

  Hundred percent.

• 23:52Speaker 04

  Or, you know, in interviews, because you've still got to maintain that I'm this cool guy that I want people to wanna be like me.

• 23:57Speaker 06

  Hundred percent.

• 23:57Speaker 04

  And not let that side out. So there's that, that pressure to do that. And was that part of why you sort of took a step back as well, that you didn't know how to sort of keep me?

• 24:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, you, mate, I don't know if it's because we're from a similar area, but I feel like you've known me all my life. It's crazy. Yeah, exactly that. I was confused after, because I was like, this is what I wanna do. And then I did it. And I was like, how do I move forward? Like, what do I, like, okay, this is in my mind, I'm telling myself, this is a young man's game. Like, this is the narrative, this is kind of what people talk about. I'm not really occup, I'm not really operating in that space anymore, I'm in a different space in my life. But then, I guess, thinking broadly, you know, you had Loi Okana who released his project recently. And I think it was, I think he had his son on the artwork, or his son did a bit of the artwork. And I think he was talking a lot about fatherhood.

• 24:47Speaker 06

  So at the same time, you know, music in the same way, like, you know, TV, film and everything else is always evolving and kind of developing. And so I would say, when I first started out, rap was kind of niche and very kind of about a certain type of thing. But from then till now, it's so much more broader.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  Well, Loi Okana's really kind of, he's very open about his relationship with mum and the family. And he's quite kind of emotionally raw in terms of what he does. Is that?

• 25:19Speaker 04

  Have many of your peers, I mean, obviously he's a bit young, I think, have many of your peers had kids? Do you talk about it?

• 25:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, so um many of my peers have had kids and we talk about it. I don't know if I hear it so much in the music, like I know Skeptar did a thing where. And I think he had a video and then he had his pram in the video and stuff like that, and maybe he, there's some of it in his narrative. But we tend to talk about it more, cause a lot of people won't know, but like at this stage, you know, there's. A few rappers out of the UK that have done really well, so, you know, sometimes there'll be like a barbecue or someone will have a party and then everyone comes round and. Like the other day, I went to see Dizzy at the um, the, what is it, the rugby and he was performing for, I think it was. Uh, there was Saracens versus Northampton.

• 26:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:07Speaker 06

  And he did a big performance and his kids were there and my daughter was there as well.

• 26:12Speaker 04

  I saw them at the garden centre, you listening to me? It's Dizzy Rascal out for the day of his kids.

• 26:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, with his kids, yeah. So, or one of my kids had a birthday party and then he brought his kids and then Jamie brought his kids as well. And so, I, I think in our, in the confines of our own kind of private lives, it's all going on, but in terms of like the narrative. And this is why I think it's great that we're talking about this, because I think it's actually progressive to start talking about it, because it's, it's very relatable and. You know, whereas when I started versus where I am now in my life, as I said, I'm thirty seven, a lot of my fanbase would have grown up and. Will now have kids of their own.

• 26:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:51Speaker 06

  So, if, if I'm not sort of talking about it, then it's kind of like.

• 26:54Speaker 04

  Estranged, it's inauthentic.

• 26:56Speaker 06

  It's inauthentic.

• 26:57Speaker 04

  With comedy, I find comedy and rap similar in a way where you're sort of.

• 27:00Speaker 03

  That's why you do both.

• 27:01Speaker 04

  Exactly, effortlessly.

• 27:03Speaker 06

  Even though I think comedy's way harder.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  I, I, I agree.

• 27:07Speaker 06

  What you do, what, what you do as a comedian is, is in my opinion, the hardest thing to do in entertainment.

• 27:13Speaker 04

  Well, it's hard to do it well, but it's quite easy to be shit.

• 27:15Speaker 03

  Because if I see someone. Rapping, particularly if they're doing it improvised, I think I can't even comprehend how you would start to do that.

• 27:27Speaker 06

  But some, but am I right in saying that some comedy, obviously you'll probably have like a written kind of loose script, but then if someone heckles or if something happens on the night, some of it is improvised. And then remember, you don't have the luxury of having like a backing track or a live band.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  Rob does, he has a backing track.

• 27:46Speaker 04

  Rob has a full DJ, doesn't he? Not during the gig though, only before.

• 27:49Speaker 06

  Oh, it's only before, but yeah, I think it's those elements removed that makes it all the more harder.

• 27:55Speaker 04

  If it comes, you know, whatever comes naturally to you is easier, whether other people determine it to look difficult or not.

• 28:00Speaker 06

  Fair, fair.

• 28:00Speaker 04

  But I think with, with the comedy and rap is like, when you first start out, you've got this ability, whether it's to rap or be funny, and the best ones are themselves. You, in their music or in their jokes, you feel like you understand the persona and it's them.

• 28:13Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 28:14Speaker 04

  There's that fire in the belly. And like you say, you've come from a place in South East London, where not many people get to the level and the success you're at now.

• 28:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 28:20Speaker 04

  And during that journey, you will change. It's impossible not to. So you can't come out at thirty seven and be that eighteen year old kid from the estate.

• 28:27Speaker 06

  Impossible, yeah.

• 28:28Speaker 04

  Because you're not living that life and it just looks forced, it looks fake and it's too much.

• 28:31Speaker 06

  Hundred percent.

• 28:32Speaker 04

  Where you have to take time and hopefully evolve with your act and who you are, but it's hard to know how.

• 28:37Speaker 06

  You weren't drinking hot chocolate when you were twenty one, were you?

• 28:40Speaker 04

  I bet you was, you know.

• 28:41Speaker 06

  I probably still was, you know.

• 28:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:43Speaker 06

  I'm a bit of an old soul, yeah, just a bit of an old soul, you know, just, I like what I like, I'm a very simple man.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  So when you say you're talking, you're going to a barbecue and there's Dizzy Rask and Jamie and stuff, are you all like, this is a bit weird considering where we've come from or do you?

• 28:57Speaker 06

  There is a bit of that, but then it's also just life, isn't it? So it's just like.

• 29:01Speaker 04

  It becomes your normal.

• 29:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, and, and, and to be honest, and this is no disrespect to anyone, but if you've got to a certain age and you haven't done some of these things, you know, like some people have Peter Pan syndrome or some people are so engulfed in what they're doing work wise, I'm focused on those people, not those people who actually can't do it. Um, I think it's a bit strange, do you get what I mean? I think it is a little bit strange. So I think based on the ages that we are and all that's been accomplished, it's, it was inevitable and it makes sense for us to be in that scenario. So it's not like, wow, like, oh my goodness, we've come from this and now, now we're here and we're with our children. It's more of a internal acknowledgement.

• 29:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:42Speaker 06

  And and kind of like gratitude for for for life and just being so fortunate because there's so many people that grew up around the same places we did that didn't have the same luck. So I think it's that. And then every once in a while, yes, it will be a passing comment, but it's not like the norm.

• 29:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I've got two questions, which I think you're gonna think are great.

• 30:02Speaker 06

  Okay, let's see.

• 30:03Speaker 04

  Um, one.

• 30:05Speaker 04

  What what was it that tipped you over to go, fuck it, I'm definitely having this time off? I don't care what the consequences could be with, you know, not being relevant anymore, losing record deals, people not caring. And then how are you feeling now about potentially going back in? Now you've got this sort of, you know, you're rooted in with the kids, you've been there day in, day out, and had this time off to go off again with this new album and a new tour. How does it make you feel?

• 30:29Speaker 06

  Rob, those are great questions.

• 30:30Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 30:31Speaker 03

  Oh, shut up your ass.

• 30:32Speaker 04

  Lovely, isn't it?

• 30:33Speaker 06

  Okay, so I got to a point where, um, although on the on the, from the outside looking in, everything was going super well. I could do no wrong, you know, seven number one records, sold out the O2, sold out Wembley Arena, did Glastonbury, um, did our residency in Ibiza, first first, you know, artist like myself to do it on a high, a a high level in Ibiza. But then personally, I felt very robotic. I felt like and and drained and exhausted. I felt like I used to wake up every day and just constantly, even though it was my ultimate choice, but I felt like I was constantly being like, like someone was just dictating my day.

• 31:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, you're on a conveyor belt.

• 31:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, and then and then it's not like I wanted to like live the life that all my other like schoolmates were living or whatever. It wasn't necessarily that, but I just felt like, you know, you can't just wake up and just do this every day. And then you kind of have like a false sense of reality and a false perception because not many people are living how you live. So your norm is not like when you're trying to have like a relatable conversation with your schoolmate. It's just, it's just going into the air because you're living completely different lives. I like, how much longer can I do this for? Um, especially when I'm in a place where I wouldn't say like not enjoying it is the right term. But I just don't feel fulfilled, like I don't feel.

• 32:02Speaker 04

  Connected to it.

• 32:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, I don't feel yeah as connected to it. I feel like I'm a hamster on a hamster wheel and I'm reaping the benefits. But so many other people that are attached to what I'm doing are also reaping the benefits. And am I doing it for me? Am I doing it for them? Am I doing it because like I don't wanna let them down? I like the fact that I was even thinking about all of that stuff for me was enough to be like, okay, mate. Do you get what I mean? You've found someone lovely, like just chill out, do some normal stuff, go on normal holidays where you're not just going from like airport to venue to sound check to to doing the show, back to the hotel, back to the airport, like just just take a break and just do some normal stuff and you might hate it, you might love it, let's see.

• 32:47Speaker 06

  And then I think getting back to it now, like one of the, one of the thoughts or epiphanies I had is, you know, I've done all this cool stuff and I might have kids and they might not ever experience it. It might just be a thing that happened in the past.

• 33:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 33:04Speaker 06

  That was one of the, that was one of the motivations. There's, there's so many more motivations, like, uh, uh, you know, which we can go into. But in, in relation to like kids and being a parent, that was one of the things like, wow, like I've done all this cool stuff, like.

• 33:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:19Speaker 06

  And my kids may never directly experience it. It would just be something I told them, oh, you know, this venue here that we've gone to.

• 33:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're like, oh, dad.

• 33:27Speaker 06

  Oh, daddy sold it out before, like, no, I can't do that. I'm not old. I'm not fifty. I'm not, do you know what I mean? I need to.

• 33:34Speaker 04

  Apologies to all those fifty year olds listening.

• 33:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, but, but, but you know, you know, you know what you was, I'm, I'm saying it to say, yeah, you know, as you were saying as a rapper, you know, aging out and all this kind of stuff. I was like, no, man, like, there's rappers that are as successful, if not more successful than me, that are older than me, like much older than me. So. So why stop? And then I looked at like my monthly listeners and at the time I was on four million or something like that. Uh, but now we're like at six point seven or something again, but I was like. Like I've still got like millions of monthly listeners, people that are just listening to all my back catalogue. I kind of owe it to my kids and I owe it to these amazing fans to kind of get back into the mix. And so the other day, when we did the Sidemen show, I was able to bring my my kids along and they were able to kind of watch it.

• 34:19Speaker 06

  And some of my nephews and nieces and whatnot. And they were able to watch it and like, I don't know what it's gonna do to them, like because there's still ages where they can't totally like explain or articulate how they felt or what it means to them. But I'm so glad that like I made that conscious decision and that I had that thought because being motivated by your family and by your children, I would say is one of the, one of the most powerful forms of motivation. Like wanting to do things for them. And also, if I'm just being totally honest, I think whether or not I came back to music, they would have been fine anyway. But knowing, you know, us, especially us two growing up in a similar way, knowing that um

• 35:02Speaker 06

  through the success of like, you know, music and the arts, I've been able to create social mobility for my immediate family and open doors that would have never been open to us before. Like I want to be able to do the same thing for my kids. Like I know that I can pick up the phone to, across any sector, TV, film, film might be a bit harder actually.

• 35:25Speaker 06

  TV.

• 35:26Speaker 04

  Podcast.

• 35:27Speaker 06

  Podcast, yeah, definitely podcast. Fashion, music and say, oh, you know, my kid wants to come and do like a work experience thing here where they want to come and see how this works or, and the doors would be open. Um, and like I said, I I think I would have still been able to do that had I not returned, but I think returning makes it a bit more easier like.

• 35:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:49Speaker 06

  Like he's still in the mix, like, you know, we might need to.

• 35:52Speaker 04

  And also, having between one and five children, holidays aren't cheap.

• 35:56Speaker 06

  They're not, yeah, they're not cheap. That's also the other thing, yeah, man, you need to keep going because, yeah, life has its costs and expenses and the lifestyle you're living as a kind of single man or a man with a with a misses, just kind of go. Going on holidays and staying five, ten days or whatever. When you've got kids, it's a completely different thing. Yeah. What are your plans musically then for this year? Like, how do you, how do you mastermind a comeback like that? Wow, um, so a lot of it is um trial and error. I think it fundamentally starts with having what you believe is a very good product, which I would say over the last year or two years I've been working on in the background. So once we set up the studio, which was three years ago, I remember us building it.

• 36:42Speaker 06

  I was doing all the extension program, so I was in my kind of like DIY kind of mindset. So I was like, we've spent a shit ton of money on this studio. I'm not gonna pay some like, you know, studio type interior designer to come and do it. We are capable, we'll do it ourselves. So we're doing all the DIY, sanding the floors, painting the walls. Um, my engineer slash really good friend Richie is way more capable at DIY than I am. So he was picking up the lion's share. I was kind of his assistant. And then shortly after that, artists started coming through the doors. As they say, you know, build it and they will come. So artists started coming through the door. We started getting traction. And I started hearing all these like bangers coming out of all these rooms while I was like painting walls and doing all this stuff.

• 37:26Speaker 06

  And I was like, wait, hang on, I've, I've been tricked. Like, this is mental. Like, I need to be in there doing what they're doing. Do you get what I mean? Because I can still do it. So slowly but surely, came up with what I believe was a very good product. Um, initially, I wanted to talk about family and there is a tinge of it in there. And I wanted to talk about, you know, the, what my life was then, like then versus what my life was like now. But then I, I personally felt like again, going back to that mindset of thinking like the whole world revolves around you and whatever. I thought it was a bit too indulgent. And then there was a little bit of a train of thought of what you were talking about, Rob, when you were saying, like, who wants to hear that? Do you get what I mean?

• 38:05Speaker 06

  Like, that's not really the narrative of rap. That's not what you want out of rap. So there was a bit of that. I think my next project will be more like that. Yeah. But this one, I found that I was making more dance leaning music. Um, and I felt like I was kind of a bit perturbed by the idea that we've lost like a thousand nightclubs in the UK since the pandemic and we're losing free nightclubs a month. Um, and they're saying that in, by twenty twenty nine. There'll be hardly any left. And so I was thinking of it as, okay, when I was sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, making my tunes, where these were the spaces where I would go and test out my records. These were the spaces where sometimes I'd do it for free.

• 38:49Speaker 06

  Sometimes I'd do it for a couple of hundred quid. Sometimes I'd get booed. Sometimes it'd be twelve people there. Do you know what I mean? But it gave me the thick skin that I've got now. It allowed me to accumulate my ten thousand hours. And if we lose these kind of physical spaces where, you know, people of all different races, backgrounds, ages, are allowed to converge and enjoy music and be in this flow state and let loose. Um, granted, everything is digital now, and so arguably you can still do the same thing and still, and arguably get even more reach. But how are we gonna be able to um create artists that maintain longevity? Because what I'm seeing now is artists that, you know, make a huge splash across social media. Yeah.

• 39:34Speaker 06

  And then come with one or two records. But then because they haven't necessarily built like a core fanbase, or they don't have other experience in other areas of the industry, you know, communicating well, performing well, stage presence, etcetera, dealing with rejection and this and that and that. Um, it tends to be not all the time, but in my opinion, seven, eight times out of ten, it tends to be short-lived. So I was like, we need to preserve these spaces and I kind of wanna highlight that in my music. And so I I crafted crafted this kind of dance leaning project where I'm celebrating all the dance genres that I've heard from basically when I was a lad to where I'm at now. Yeah.

• 40:14Speaker 06

  Whether it be, you know, grime, dubstep, tech house, drum and bass, all of those kind of sonics. Um, and then I've basically sort of conceptualized it where it's like a theme of like a a crazy night out. Um, so you know, you're getting ready, you're texting your mates, you're working out where you wanna go. You get to the first beer, it's a pre-drinks or a meal situation. Then you end up at the first thing, it's either a gig or it's a big club night, then you end up at the after-party. And you end up somewhere else and then it's, you know, the sun's coming out and you're like, what the hell has happened? And also, I, I, I think that, you know, over the last couple of years, going out and a nighttime kind of culture

• 40:57Speaker 06

  has started to have like a negative, there's negative connotations around it.

• 41:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:01Speaker 06

  You know, it's not great for the society, it's just people having a piss up and leads to all of this other kind of um uh antisocial behaviour, but like the arts in the UK is one of our biggest exports, it's like a huge soft power of ours.

• 41:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:17Speaker 06

  And some of these venues are iconic venues and they're, they're going rapidly, like I saw that in uh Germany, Berlin specifically, they got UNESCO to come and kind of put this, give this special title to their techno scene, like make it like a protected, yeah, like a protected sort of heritage place of influence or something, I don't, I can't remember the exact um term, but in my mind, I was like the, the UK for all the bands and DJs and acts that we've had, come out of all of these little pockets of Bristol or Devon or London or Manchester or whatever, we should be preserving it and protecting it in the same way.

• 41:55Speaker 03

  This is the mad thing about the UK is you go, it's the thing we do the best in the world.

• 42:00Speaker 06

  Trust me.

• 42:01Speaker 03

  From literally from the Beatles, which is the biggest band ever.

• 42:05Speaker 06

  Ever, yeah.

• 42:06Speaker 03

  Like the money they will have brought into the UK is insane.

• 42:10Speaker 06

  Hundred percent.

• 42:10Speaker 03

  All the way through and it's still going.

• 42:13Speaker 04

  But Elka, Elton John and Ed Sheeran now, like different ages, but smashing it.

• 42:17Speaker 03

  Or like Adele or like Harry Styles.

• 42:20Speaker 06

  Whenever we do it, we do it the biggest, yeah.

• 42:22Speaker 03

  So much bigger than our weight.

• 42:23Speaker 06

  From such a small island, yeah.

• 42:25Speaker 03

  It's insane, it's like, and it's not celebrated enough.

• 42:28Speaker 06

  Not at all, and if you're not in that sort of five percent of artists that you've named.

• 42:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:34Speaker 06

  You're, uh, the reality is you're earning the majority of your income from live, from live performances. And so if we lose all these venues and you have nowhere to play.

• 42:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, lives where it's at for money now, really, isn't it?

• 42:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, lives where it's at for money and you're killing the spaces where people can earn a living, so it's just a bit shit, mate. So I was like, you know what, this feels like something that I'm passionate about, this feels like a message I can convey. It's definitely been a part of my come up, some of my biggest records, Miami to Ibiza with Swedish House Mafia, Drinking From The Bottle with Calvin Harris have been dance leaning records, like let me just do this, so that's kind of where I'm at now.

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• 44:45Speaker 03

  And what do your kids think about your music?

• 44:47Speaker 06

  Great question. They think I'm the best artist ever. Fucking 2-1.

• 44:52Speaker 06

  They think I'm the best artist ever. I think, I think they wanna, I think really, one of my daughters wants to say that Justin Bieber is the best artist ever.

• 45:00Speaker 03

  But you won't let her?

• 45:01Speaker 06

  But no, it's not that I won't let her. I think she just feels bad.

• 45:05Speaker 06

  Because she always goes, oh, you know, first it's you, then it's Justin Bieber. But I can see the look in her eyes. She's lying.

• 45:10Speaker 03

  So if you're in the car and you're driving them along, and you say to them, "What should we listen to?" Would they say Tony Samba?

• 45:18Speaker 06

  They say daddy, play Wonder Man, play Wonder Man, play Wonder Man.

• 45:21Speaker 03

  Amazing.

• 45:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, so Wonder Man is their go to track.

• 45:25Speaker 06

  And they watched the video and I did that video years ago with Ellie Goulding and we, we, um. I forgot the film that we referenced, but it was one of these films from back in the day about this bionic man. I think it was the bionic man, there you go. So there's lots of like special effect, I'm gonna ruin the illusion for them now, but there's loads of special effects where. I'm jumping out of helicopters.

• 45:46Speaker 04

  Oh, so they like watching all that?

• 45:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, so, yeah, so they're watching it, they're like daddy, is this real?

• 45:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:51Speaker 06

  Did you really do that? Like you're a superhero, I'm like, yes, yes, I am.

• 45:54Speaker 04

  Music videos don't really happen anymore now, but you think it's mad because the more it's just people sing like a couple of lines from a song in a TikTok.

• 46:01Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 46:01Speaker 04

  More so than the full video.

• 46:02Speaker 06

  Hundred percent.

• 46:03Speaker 04

  It feels like there's a massive, I don't know, because I.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  Does it feel like a different industry that you're coming back into?

• 46:08Speaker 06

  It feels like a different industry, yes, entirely, pretty much. Um, I'm fortunate because again during my hiatus, I also set up a publishing company, so we like a lot of people.

• 46:18Speaker 03

  It's the busiest hiatus anyone's ever had.

• 46:20Speaker 06

  I know, but I'm just like, I can't be idle, the devil makes work of idle hands, so I can't be idle, like I have to do stuff. But in that interim period, we ended up, um, producing tracks for Drake, like one of our producers made Passion Fruit for Drake, which is. Drake's like third biggest song ever, so from out the gate, like we were already doing really well. Chris Brown, Sean Paul, we've got a Drake and Michael Jackson card, like we've, we did, we've done quite a lot of stuff, so. In, with, with both of my hats on, like almost like an exec and, and then a frontman artist. The industry is not a hundred percent different, but if you're an artist that's trying to break through now. It's a completely different time, it's entirely saturated.

• 47:05Speaker 06

  Before, we had a different type of gatekeeper, like a more traditional gatekeeper, which I don't necessarily agree with. But I think what was interesting about the time is to cut through, you felt like, you know, the old guard had to. Acknowledge you, the fact that you were talented and, and therefore because you were talented, and this is just. My opinion, no disrespect to anyone. But because they believed you were talented, then you would now get these opportunities where by now I think it's a mix of a bit of a popularity contest. You know, who's the most popular, who's getting the most engagement.

• 47:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:42Speaker 06

  Regardless of like the quality of the actual product.

• 47:45Speaker 03

  Is it more about how do I sell this now than it is about the product?

• 47:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, I I think so. I think your product doesn't necessarily have to be great, but if you're a great marketer and you have a a great engaged fanbase, you could be maybe not operating at the same scale of the Beatles, but in theory you could be selling out some of the same venues.

• 48:05Speaker 04

  We've got a bit of a fanbase from this. What do you reckon the chances of me and Josh bringing out a swing album together?

• 48:11Speaker 06

  Why not?

• 48:11Speaker 04

  Do you like an old rap pack?

• 48:12Speaker 06

  I can tell you why not. Yeah, why not?

• 48:14Speaker 03

  I can tell you why not. It'd be shit.

• 48:16Speaker 06

  It'd be shit. Well, you've got the fanbase. This is the point. This is the point. Like, this is, and and the thing is, in Britain, we love the like novelty records.

• 48:24Speaker 04

  No, no, no, it'll be a serious one.

• 48:29Speaker 04

  No, it's funny, that is a comedy.

• 48:30Speaker 06

  Maybe you could roll it out as a novelty thing.

• 48:32Speaker 04

  You know, Mr Bojangles, you know, My Way.

• 48:35Speaker 06

  Me and Mr Jones.

• 48:36Speaker 04

  Just you singing My Way in a full tuxedo on a stage, black and white, a shot.

• 48:40Speaker 06

  Brilliant. What I what I will say about what you're saying.

• 48:43Speaker 03

  Chip in a bit of money on the old angel company?

• 48:45Speaker 06

  I've I think I'll leave that one.

• 48:47Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 48:48Speaker 06

  I think I'll leave that one, but what.

• 48:49Speaker 03

  Too many Misters already.

• 48:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 48:51Speaker 04

  Too busy with Drake, are you?

• 48:52Speaker 06

  No, it's not even that. It's not even that, honestly, Rob. But what what I will say about what you're saying is that that is what is exciting about where the industry is at now. Like, if you've been able to get yourself to a certain point, you can literally do anything and you can just have fun. And so I think where I'm at now, I'm not trying to, I'm doing it because I love it more than anything else. It's the thing that I wake up and I can do, like you're saying about comedy, very naturally. And, you know, you know, Picasso or whoever, they never stopped making paintings. They didn't get to a point where they were like, oh, you know, I've done seventy-eight now, it's enough. You just keep going. But the fact that like, you know. You can just kind of do whatever you want, as long as it makes you feel good. The barrier to entry is kind of so low now.

• 49:36Speaker 06

  It's super easy to upload a record onto one of these streaming platforms. As opposed to before where you had to press up the CDs and the vinyls. And obviously, some people still do that, but yeah, it's it's the greatest time to be a creative. I think it's just the hardest time to cut through the noise.

• 49:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, and what about your kids? Would you feel excited? Or would you feel like, oh no, if they went into music, or I suppose art?

• 50:01Speaker 06

  I think if my, I I would prefer, and I don't, you know, wanna sound like one of those parents, but I think it would bring me more joy if my kids went more down their mother's route of like, we wanna just make art and like, you know, we wanna kind of exist in that space.

• 50:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:16Speaker 06

  Um, I think, I think, I think being an art musician, I think, comes with too many superficial.

• 50:25Speaker 03

  It's very look at me, look at me.

• 50:27Speaker 06

  It's very, yeah, for the, for the most part, obviously, there's artists that you've never seen their face before or whatever, you know, but I think for the most part, it is about image, it is about, you know, not how much you weigh per se, but you know, do you look good? You're getting all this direct critique on your comments or you've got a spot here, you know, if you put on weight, have you? It feels like you have to have super thick skin to be able to kind of survive and navigate that. And I, I, I, I did it because obviously I felt like I had the talent to be able to do it and compete in that space. But I also did it because I was shit at football and I was like, I was like, this is probably one of the only things from where I've come from that could change the whole trajectory of my entire family's life.

• 51:12Speaker 06

  And luckily, we've been able to do that. But I think where my kids don't have those same sort of pressures.

• 51:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, that's the interesting thing. Your kids are entering a completely different world in terms of their own families and their, where they're growing up.

• 51:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:29Speaker 03

  To what you did.

• 51:30Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:31Speaker 03

  And how, how comfortable are you with that? Like, or is there part of you that's going, you don't understand?

• 51:37Speaker 06

  Yeah. Um, yeah, there's, there's a part of me that feels like you don't understand, but I think ultimately, you know, once you have kids, and I think I can kind of speak for everyone here. You kind of just want them to be safe and you kind of just want them to be happy. And I think the fact that. There's a part of me that's like, yeah, I definitely want you to prove yourself and you know, you've got our DNA and so you've.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  Just dropping in plump's did comments.

• 51:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've, I've taken them there once in a while.

• 52:02Speaker 03

  Have you taken them?

• 52:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, of course I have. Yeah, of course. They're like, this is shit. Take me, take me back to the suburbs.

• 52:10Speaker 06

  Take me back to the pool in the garden. Um, but, but I think, I think, I think that ultimately I just want them to be like happy and safe. And so whatever brings them the most joy and makes them feel the most fulfilled, I would, I would encourage them to do that. Of course, you know, they've watched K-pop Demon Hunters and now they wanna somewhat be artists and they wanna do things like that. Um, but I think, I think I will just try to ensure that I'm kind of around it as much as possible. Not like a Michael Jackson's dad or like Destiny's Child, you know, Beyonce's dad, but just kind of like, um, someone that's in their ear and someone that's kind of observing their surroundings and trying to kind of protect to a certain degree from afar.

• 52:53Speaker 03

  Would you be more, if they went, I wanna be a dentist and a lawyer, would there be a part of you that goes, oh, that's a relief?

• 53:01Speaker 06

  I think so, yeah.

• 53:04Speaker 06

  Yeah, like stay well away from this. We all know that, we all know the highs and lows of entertainment, man. I'm sure we've all been there when the agent isn't calling and.

• 53:12Speaker 04

  It's a dance with the devil.

• 53:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's a dance with the devil, man. It's like, we're all super fortunate and blessed to be sitting in this building, having this conversation right now with all the years that we've put into this thing, honestly.

• 53:24Speaker 04

  How do you feel about returning to live performance? Cause I think that's the, one of the hardest things to get your confidence back into. Cause it's a lot of, you know, a lot of rust when you've not done it for a little while. How are you feeling about going back into that?

• 53:34Speaker 06

  It's the absolute opposite.

• 53:35Speaker 04

  Really?

• 53:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, live, the live element of it is the bit that I love the most, which again is why I feel this project is apt. Because I feel like my music has been kind of well received, but I think until you see me live, you don't, you've not experienced, you've not had the full experience. Like my live performance is off the chain. Like I will say that with confidence with my chest. So getting back to it, like we went on tour in Australia last year. It was the most random lineup, by the way. It was like me, Pitbull, Mariah Carey, Wiz Khalifa, Lil Jon. It was a bit of like a throwback thing, but it's the most random. Hardly saw her.

• 54:13Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 54:13Speaker 06

  Hardly saw her. I saw her performances, but hardly saw her.

• 54:16Speaker 04

  Pitbull, what's he like? He's smashing it now, and he pitbull. Pitbull.

• 54:18Speaker 06

  Pitbull is smashing it.

• 54:19Speaker 04

  Especially in the UK with everyone dressing up with a hat.

• 54:22Speaker 06

  I I will be honest and say, he had by far the most fans. Like, I've never seen, like, the lion's share of the crowd was people in board caps and like suits and all this kind of stuff. We've actually got a show in Hyde Park this summer as well.

• 54:35Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, he's coming up, yeah.

• 54:37Speaker 06

  B S T, yeah. But, um, yeah, I got, so when I did this thing in Australia, I think it was like November or whatever, I'd like, the love was ridiculous. Like, it was, we made like the national news there. It was insane. And it was just like, for me, oh, you've still got it, man. Like, there was, there was not an ounce of fear or doubt before I stepped onto that stage that like I wouldn't be able to do what I have done in the past. And if anything, it makes me wanna perform more because I feel like the more that people are able to kind of see that, whether it's like online, even the Sidemen show that I did the other day, like, it was ridiculous. They're like, the halftime show went so well.

• 55:17Speaker 06

  And what's crazy about their fanbases, they've got, you know, a lot of the youth, so they've even got like the thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year olds. And the craziest thing happened where half, I would say sixty percent of the people in their chat, because it was a live stream, was like, who the hell is this guy? Who is this guy? What, what, who did they bring to do the halftime show?

• 55:36Speaker 04

  Who's this old dad?

• 55:38Speaker 06

  Who's this old dad? And then what was amazing that happened is then, you know, after about thirty minutes, it swayed, it kind of went back to fifty fifty and then to like forty, sixty, um, sixty, forty in my favour, like, you don't know who this guy is?

• 55:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:53Speaker 06

  Are you crazy? Like, this guy's a legend.

• 55:55Speaker 04

  Also, as well, they, like, when they sit there, oh, he can do it.

• 55:58Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 55:59Speaker 04

  To you, to them, you're brand new.

• 56:00Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 56:01Speaker 04

  But you've got twenty years of experience of performing that, you know.

• 56:04Speaker 06

  There you go. So I think in short, all I'm basically saying is that, like, didn't have any worries there. And in fact, I think that's gonna be one of the things that kind of is, like, kind of tips it for me, to be fair.

• 56:15Speaker 03

  I want to talk to you about mindset there, right?

• 56:17Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 56:17Speaker 03

  Because I think if you. The difference between a rapper approaching that and a comedian. If that had happened to Rob and he told me the story, he'd be like, "Oh, it was awful."

• 56:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was so stressed and I didn't, I think it was fine.

• 56:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think I got away with it, but the first bit was just tragic and everyone was saying, "Who the fuck's this old prick?"

• 56:42Speaker 04

  I did a David Dickinson reference and they're all 13.

• 56:47Speaker 03

  If I'd done that tour of Australia and I thought it'd gone well and Rob asked me, I go, "Yeah, it's fine."

• 56:52Speaker 04

  But the thing is with a song, a song always will. If it was a hit once, it's always a hit forever, essentially. With a joke, it's a lot of it is the timing of when you're saying it.

• 57:01Speaker 03

  If you had a gig last night and you, even if you thought you smashed it and I came in and I said, "How was the gig last night?", you wouldn't go, "I was brilliant."

• 57:10Speaker 04

  No, but it's hard to be brilliant just talking at a room. It's like, you know, like if you've got like in a stadium and you've got your, because that's what you're saying, you've got the music behind you and that. I think comedy's a massive head fuck because if it goes wrong, it's all on you. Where you could fluff a line, but it could get covered, it's not the end of the world. And there's a lot of noise everywhere. It's just that it's the silence of nothing when you say a joke that don't work that kills you.

• 57:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm trying to remember if that's happened before. I think maybe for you guys, maybe the kind of deciding factor might be a standing ovation, maybe. Is that what you would, how you'd measure it? Yeah, it will soon come.

• 57:51Speaker 04

  Also as well though, you are, and I think you've made the right decision, where you're coming into this with an appreciation because you haven't had it for five, six, seven years. Where when you're doing it every night, it becomes your normal, which is mad. And our normal is, you know, you're on this tour at the moment, Josh, every night you go out to thousands of people. Make them laugh for an hour and a half and then they have a big cheers, standing ovation and then you go home. That is mental.

• 58:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's mental. But you get used to it.

• 58:15Speaker 04

  Exactly, but then, so having that time and that break is so important to be appreciative, whatever it is you're doing.

• 58:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, 100%, made me way more grateful for everything. Like yesterday I got a second stripe on my purple belt for jiu jitsu and I put out a little post on my.

• 58:30Speaker 06

  Stories, which was like this, you know, this season of my life, I'm appreciating all the wins, big or small. It doesn't matter how big or small, just because like going back to the kids, once you see the miracle of like childbirth and like that now becomes the most important thing in your life. For me, all I care about is their health and their happiness in in their life. I just want them to be happy, healthy, and I want them to be loved, and I want them to have peace of mind. Anything that happens for me on top of that is a win.

• 58:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:59Speaker 06

  Could be anything. Oh, you've been invited by this company to go on a holiday. I would never take it. But I would be like, oh, this is a nice offer. I'm really grateful. Wow.

• 59:09Speaker 04

  Oh, no, especially, you know.

• 59:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, so I'm just in a suit, like in this lovely, amazing space of like almost zen space of just gratitude. And like, I'm not necessarily chasing anything. Like I said, we have our own studios. Gone are the days where I've, because again, I had so much anxiety of like knowing that I was on the clock on someone else's like budget.

• 59:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:28Speaker 06

  Do you know what I mean? Or on my budget, but that they were taking from like, you know, my my future earnings. And you, you know, you you had that A and R that's standing there, you know, hoping that by the end of the session, you would have produced a hit. I can just walk into my studio now, see some of the best artists in the UK occupying some of the other rooms, take off my my shoes, be there for the entire day. And if something good comes out of it, it's great. If not, I'll come back tomorrow and try again.

• 59:53Speaker 04

  Did you?

• 59:54Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 59:54Speaker 04

  Did you do any therapy in your time off? Or is this all your own thing?

• 59:57Speaker 06

  No, I did, I did.

• 59:58Speaker 04

  And would that be sitting down, talking to a therapist?

• 1:00:00Speaker 06

  Um, at the time, because it was like pandemic times, a lot of it was Zooms.

• 1:00:04Speaker 04

  Ah, okay, yeah. And that's really helped.

• 1:00:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think so. I think so. Um, I think, yeah, I think therapy is good because, again, what we do, of course, there's a community of us, but it's quite a lonely.

• 1:00:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:18Speaker 06

  Do you do you kind of agree with that?

• 1:00:20Speaker 04

  Lonely in the job, but also lonely in your journey.

• 1:00:22Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:00:22Speaker 04

  You show me someone that someone else that come from where you come from, living the same life you've got.

• 1:00:27Speaker 06

  It's kind of, yeah, it's kind of lonely. Like, one of my best friends is like, or best friends from school is in. Prison for life. Like, like, English lad, like, is in prison for life and we speak on the phone, uh, you know, once a week on a Sunday, we get on the phone. And again, it's that same thing, like, wow, like, I saw, oh, you did Dragons Den, cause obviously he's watching the TV, oh, so you did Dragons Den. I saw your performance on Graham Norton, oh, this is so sick and like, it's such an emotional, like.

• 1:00:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:55Speaker 06

  Time in my week, yeah, because I'm like, oh, bro, like, he was even around from Pass Out, like, he ended up going to prison just after Pass Out. I remember I met him in Newcastle, he came to see, like, almost like the official launch party, then after that, he was gone. So we talk on the phone and I'm just, like you said, there's a kind of survivor's guilt there, where it's like, oh, wow, like, I just, yeah, I can't believe that I'm. Everything I'm telling you is like stuff that you would have never imagined and you're, you're kind of where you are. And you're not able to experience this or kind of do it for yourself. So I think therapy was great because. Yes, it's super lonely in the journey and we're very fortunate and privileged in various different ways.

• 1:01:36Speaker 06

  Very lucky, but um, it's, it's, it's nice to kind of just express yourself to someone who. They probably are judgmental, they're who we're getting these therapists, they probably are super judgmental, but.

• 1:01:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just think they're probably talking to someone who's worse than me as well.

• 1:01:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:51Speaker 03

  So just have that.

• 1:01:52Speaker 06

  I like that.

• 1:01:52Speaker 03

  I'm not gonna be the worst conversation I've had this day.

• 1:01:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, I like that, I like that.

• 1:01:57Speaker 03

  Depends on the week.

• 1:02:00Speaker 06

  Did you guys do therapy as well?

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:02Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's really helpful, it's really good.

• 1:02:04Speaker 06

  What, what, what motivated you to do it?

• 1:02:07Speaker 03

  Oh, I was in a dark place, cause I hadn't decided to take seven years off. So I was, I was everything that you were trying to avoid. Burned out, totally lost in it, completely hyped by the whole thing.

• 1:02:22Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:23Speaker 03

  Couldn't get out of the mindset of it all, but I would never have been able to take that time off. I was not in a place where I, I. And I find that very impressive, that's such a big. I put too much of my worth, still now, probably, in.

• 1:02:37Speaker 03

  Work.

• 1:02:38Speaker 06

  Yeah, which is.

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  Not, not like I did then, not at all like I did then.

• 1:02:42Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:42Speaker 03

  But uh then it was out of control.

• 1:02:45Speaker 06

  Yeah, because but you know with what you're saying, there's a point where it starts to define you and then your value kind of is directly associated with that. And I was very worried because this thing is so up and down. So if all of a sudden you're not doing uh venues to thousands of people. Yeah. So then what does that mean? What does that mean about who you are as a person?

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  Am I just trying to keep this going to avoid this pain?

• 1:03:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, I guess that is the, that's the question, isn't it?

• 1:03:11Speaker 03

  Maybe I need to be in a position where this is gonna happen and I actually am not putting my whole worth in this.

• 1:03:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, and then you have to, I'm not telling you what you have to do, but I think for me, I realised that I have value as Patrick. Like I'm just, I'm a person, I'm a man, I'm a, I'm a son, uh I'm a father, I'm a, I'm a brother. Do you get what I mean? I'm a, I'm a friend to so many different people. Whether I'm this like high flying musician or not, and to kind of get back to that kind of essence of who you were originally. I think is, is, is, is a very important thing, man.

• 1:03:46Speaker 04

  I think you need a comedy name, so because of his Patrick but tiny temper, and then at least you've got a little bit of differentiation.

• 1:03:52Speaker 03

  So there's Josh, but there's not Josh. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:03:56Speaker 03

  I think it's too late to rebrand.

• 1:03:58Speaker 06

  It's never too late. It's never too late. It's never too late. Trust me.

• 1:04:02Speaker 04

  Um, final question, Tinie, we always ask this to everyone.

• 1:04:04Speaker 03

  Patrick.

• 1:04:05Speaker 04

  Patrick, um what's the uh, what's the one thing your partner does as a mother that you think that's amazing? I'm so lucky to have kids with you. And what's the one thing she does that's slightly annoying? And if she was to listen now, she'd go, he's got a fair point with that.

• 1:04:18Speaker 06

  Um, I will start by saying she, she is very intentional with them. She kind of listens to everything that they say, like she wants to know everything that happened at school, like every, down to every last detail. Which I think is absolutely amazing, because for a long time I did not have the capacity for that. Do you know what I mean? What happened? What did your friends say? What happened? What did the teacher say? This and that and that. Amazing. I like the fact that um she also will just make stuff with them. Like create with them, draw, like let's just draw, let's just play with Play-Doh, let's just, oh, what did you make today? Let's do that. I think that's incredible. And then the thing that I'm a little bit perturbed about is that she gives them lots of chocolate and sweets in the mornings.

• 1:05:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:03Speaker 06

  In the mornings. So I'm sure she will hear that and be like, that's a fair point. I'll never be able to get my head around it.

• 1:05:09Speaker 04

  It's hard to defend chocolate to kids in the morning.

• 1:05:13Speaker 06

  Well, good. I'm glad I've got, you know.

• 1:05:15Speaker 03

  When you're brewing up a hot chocolate in the other part of the kitchen.

• 1:05:18Speaker 06

  Do you know what? I usually have my hot chocolates in the evening.

• 1:05:20Speaker 04

  Oh. Not afraid of the sugar before bed?

• 1:05:24Speaker 06

  You know what? I should probably be, but as I said, I'm, I don't have sugar in anything else, pretty much, apart from natural sugars.

• 1:05:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:32Speaker 06

  Don't like, if I ever have tea, don't put sugar in the tea, don't have too many desserts. So this is the one.

• 1:05:37Speaker 04

  One little thing. Tiny, absolute pleasure.

• 1:05:40Speaker 06

  Enjoy.

• 1:05:40Speaker 04

  Any live shows that can go and see as well?

• 1:05:42Speaker 06

  Yeah. I mean, come and see me at BST, come and see me at Boardmasters. Um, if you're up north, because I'm sure you have loads of northern fans.

• 1:05:50Speaker 04

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 1:05:51Speaker 06

  Um, come and see me. I think we're doing a BST in Leeds or something. So come and see me there. And then we will be, I will be doing my own tour back end of the year. I think we're going to be touring again in November. So.

• 1:06:02Speaker 04

  Wicked.

• 1:06:02Speaker 03

  Go on the socials and they'll find out.

• 1:06:04Speaker 06

  Yeah, exactly. Just hit me up. Come and find me, man. I'm here.

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