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• 2:06Speaker 05

  Hello, you're listening to Parenting Hell with.

• 2:10Speaker 07

  Right, say Rob Beckett. Rob Beckett. And Josh Whittacombe. Hey, Josh Whittacombe. Yeah, well done.

• 2:18Speaker 06

  There we go. Lily Chilvers, morning. Here's my eight-year-old Robyn saying your name. She's desperate to be famous one day. I'm hoping this is the start of it. He, he, he, he, he, Robyn.

• 2:31Speaker 05

  Don't, do you want to be famous?

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  No.

• 2:33Speaker 05

  No, I think.

• 2:34Speaker 06

  I think it's brilliant.

• 2:36Speaker 05

  Well, I think, what I'd say is, on, once the genie's out the bottle, you can't go back.

• 2:42Speaker 06

  Would you go back? Would you put the genie back in the bottle?

• 2:44Speaker 05

  Potentially, if I could do my job, like the stand-up stuff.

• 2:49Speaker 06

  You can't, you can't.

• 2:51Speaker 05

  Well, I can't, but if, if I could do all this.

• 2:53Speaker 06

  That's the deal. That's the deal the devil strikes.

• 2:56Speaker 05

  I know, exactly. No, it's definitely brilliant and worth it, as my life is now. But if you said to me, I could have my life I have now, but not be famous, famous, kind of thing, then, and still earn the money I earn, then I'd take that.

• 3:09Speaker 06

  But if I have to. That's the deal.

• 3:12Speaker 05

  I wouldn't give up stand-up and doing this.

• 3:14Speaker 06

  Lily Chilvers, you've dug deep into the conflicted mind of Rob Beckett. He was holding his hat in his hand.

• 3:22Speaker 05

  It's life's balance, baby.

• 3:24Speaker 06

  He was going through hell.

• 3:27Speaker 05

  There's got, that life is balance, isn't it? There, there, there's a trade-off. I've got a wonderful life and access to great things. However, you lose a little bit of part of you and your privacy in order to have that. And it's whether you're happy with that trade-off. I am happy with that trade-off, but if you could click your fingers and take it away.

• 3:41Speaker 06

  Doesn't feel like he's happy with that trade-off, Lily. It doesn't feel like he's happy with that trade-off.

• 3:46Speaker 05

  I'm content with that trade-off.

• 3:48Speaker 06

  Doesn't feel content. He was rubbing his hair in a, in a stressed way.

• 3:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, and that's, and you never do that, do you?

• 3:56Speaker 06

  I do, and that's why I can see it. It takes one to know one.

• 4:01Speaker 05

  The conflict within.

• 4:02Speaker 06

  I've been listening since the start, the dark soul of Rob Beckett. You get me through my commute to work. Love the pod. Keep up the good work. Thanks for the laugh. Lily, 396 months from Norfolk.

• 4:12Speaker 05

  Norfolk. There we go. Go on, Lily.

• 4:15Speaker 06

  Quick piece of correspondence before we hit into the.

• 4:18Speaker 05

  Come on, let's give you one. Give it a go. On the topic of thongs.

• 4:22Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 4:23Speaker 05

  Hello, you sexy bastards. In relation to the thong chat, I thought I'd write in as a seasoned thong wearer. I'm 28 with an eight-year-old. While I would never give her my underwear to wear, I say thongs are more comfortable than normal pants. With normal pants, you get wedgie, but with a thong, it's constant, but not the same. It's much more comfortable and you're not spending the day pulling big pants out of your arsehole. Hope this helps, Emma.

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  There we go.

• 4:46Speaker 05

  There you go. That's one for the thong wearers out there. You should give it a go, Josh. See if you find it comfortable for your next run. Just as part of the pod.

• 4:53Speaker 06

  I don't think I would enjoy it. I don't think I would enjoy it.

• 4:56Speaker 05

  You can't go from Sunspill Granddads to a thong. It's not.

• 4:58Speaker 06

  Exactly. No one's ever done that.

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  Um, I don't think they do, actually.

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  I'm not a thong guy.

• 5:04Speaker 05

  No.

• 5:05Speaker 06

  But there we go. Um, Rob, here's a little game for people to listen. Each person that we interview, imagine whether you think they're wearing a thong.

• 5:15Speaker 05

  I don't like this game.

• 5:16Speaker 06

  I'll give you a clue. One of them is.

• 5:18Speaker 05

  Right, here's the best of. We'll have a little break over the summer. Enjoy it. We'll be back soon with more weekly updates. Hal Cruton, and welcome to Parentin' L. We've wanted you for ages. I can't believe it's been this long and we've just got you. Well, I'm, I don't know. I mean, that's lovely of you to say, but I am always desperate to go on podcasts. I'm quite a lonely man. Keep your cards close to your chest. This is my problem. I'm a lonely figure and I love having a chat. Oh, brilliant. So you will find this. I mean, I talk a lot. I do. Oh, well, I hope we're doing a second series because we started and it's going pretty well. Me and Ronnie Ancona. Do you know Ronnie? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Ronnie and I do a thing about being, oh, yes. Oh, we'll line you up for the

• 6:03Speaker 05

  second series because you are brilliant for this because it's about us being very neurotic people.

• 6:07Speaker 06

  What do you mean about that?

• 6:09Speaker 05

  So, no, you're perfect in terms of the fact, we want karma people. We want people that are able to- No, no, no, you were right first time. He's absolutely off the scale. Josh is quite quietly neurotic, I think. Yes. He goes under the radar. Yeah, but I think you're genuinely not that, because you were even like, I'm, I always remember starting, you know, when you came along in comedy, and you were always really ballsy, and there was a time I used to message you before corporates going, "Rob, how do I get through this?", and you're, you know, you're 12, 15 years younger than me. And I'm going, "Rob's talk me through this." So it's, Ronnie and I kind of get guests on and kind of try and find out how they cope with all the nightmare stress of, of showbiz when we're such basket cases about it. Right, oh, perfect. It's a little bit indulgent, but people like it. All podcasts are. Yeah, exactly.

• 6:52Speaker 06

  Tell us, so if you can't deal with showbiz, how do you deal with paren- how old are your kids?

• 6:56Speaker 05

  My kids are old now. My kids are 25 and 23. But, um, very luckily, both did fine arts degrees, so they're still at home.

• 7:06Speaker 05

  You need to encourage the arts in your children and then they don't go. And I'm kind of loving it as well. And I was listening to your John Bishop, um, one, uh, and I love it. But he, he was saying about wanting the kids to go, and I was going, "Yeah, but when you're divorced, uh, it's lovely to have them. It's lovely to have the company."

• 7:23Speaker 06

  So you're still having joint custody?

• 7:26Speaker 05

  Well, no, no, I also did the other thing of very wisely moving further into town. So I have the kids much more, because I'm handier. They basically live with me because it's handier for what the, the jobs they have and the things they're doing. Um, so I do have them a lot more of the time. And my house is, um, we had a house in, well, I don't know if it's too many deals, we had a house in Ireland. And my ex held on to that because she's Irish. So, um, her place is a bit smaller, so I've got a larger place further into town. I'm not saying I got, did well in the divorce deal. I was still ripped apart.

• 7:58Speaker 05

  That's the main- There's positives. My house is great because I have space in it and I'm often not there because I'm a comic. So my kids love being there. So you, so you got divorced, was it three years? You've been quite open to, you had to do a show about it as well. Well, we separated four and a half years ago. We divorced about three years ago. Yeah, it's my, basically my tour show is sort of my second show about my divorce. It's a little bit more detailed. It's, it's, it's got some more juicy gossip in it. Well, now that the dust has settled a bit. Yeah, and, and things I've been allowed to say and times past. And I think the first one I did was a bit like, "I'm a rubbish man and I just got left." Whereas this one's like, "Let me give you some detail."

• 8:34Speaker 05

  You have to come to the show.

• 8:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:36Speaker 05

  No, it's, it's, no, it's fine.

• 8:37Speaker 03

  And do you still get on with your ex?

• 8:39Speaker 05

  We, we're fine, we're fine. It wasn't, it wasn't the happiest, loveliest divorce.

• 8:44Speaker 06

  As so many aren't.

• 8:45Speaker 05

  No, as so many aren't. But I think you don't want a happy, lovely divorce. Because usually a happy, lovely divorce, I have this point in my show, is if you've been left, I was left by my wife, and I found out through time, and it's been discovered, that I was left for someone.

• 8:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:59Speaker 05

  That's much better than being left for no one. Because if you're left for no one, it means you're literally worse than nothing. So, so anybody who's going, it's great, we just broke up and she just said the love was over, no, that you've been absolutely slammed. So I'm kind of, you know, I kind of feel a bit better about that. So, so, so, so.

• 9:17Speaker 03

  That's a great way to look at it.

• 9:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, always want to be left by someone, and it's, I mean, I'm sure it'll happen to you guys, but it's when the kids. It's where, hopefully, wait till the kids are older, because then it's.

• 9:29Speaker 03

  So they were, they would have been like 21?

• 9:32Speaker 05

  They were 21 and 19.

• 9:33Speaker 03

  Right, and how was it for them? Because it's such a bit of a madness.

• 9:36Speaker 05

  Yes, and it's, it's still, it is still really hard. And I think my youngest had just gone to uni, and so it was, it was sort of, I would say.

• 9:47Speaker 03

  It's never going to be easy at any age, is it?

• 9:49Speaker 05

  And I'm always amazed by them. And I'm not saying this to suck up to them, because I'm desperate for company in my house. But it is so, they are so lovely. The way I go, God, I, you know, my parents were always my parents, I mean, my dad died when I was 20, so I like, never had that breakup thing, but I had that sudden thing of it changing. But to watch them deal with just, you know, the dating, that, I mean, my ex is now with the man she left before, and they're very established, but my dating life's been chaotic.

• 10:16Speaker 03

  Right.

• 10:16Speaker 06

  So are you talking to your kids about dating?

• 10:18Speaker 05

  They love it. They, well, they don't love it, they, they feel sorry for the women. They, they legit, they have, they have said that, they've said, oh God, I hope, please, please don't leave this one, or please don't break this one up. So I did, I, I, it's just, it's been, I, I've.

• 10:36Speaker 06

  How are you dating now? Because kind of, I always said this to Rob beforehand, I think when Rose inevitably leaves me.

• 10:43Speaker 05

  Yeah. That's so good that you'll, you just do that, keep that in your head.

• 10:47Speaker 03

  And it will be for someone.

• 10:48Speaker 05

  A mad comic called Lewis Schaefer, yeah, make sure it's for someone, probably a farmer, if you're down in the south, southwest.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  She just wanted someone stronger than her.

• 10:58Speaker 05

  Are you bad at opening jars and stuff?

• 10:59Speaker 06

  No, she's quite, she's.

• 11:00Speaker 03

  She's stronger than Josh, she's stronger. We've discussed it, is he?

• 11:04Speaker 06

  But the problem is, right, I think, so, I don't think I'm speaking out for her, Nick, because I'm not naming the person. I've got a friend, he's, I think his daughter's maybe ten, he's split up with the mum. And he said to me, I just can't be bothered to spend the time I have to myself meeting strangers and trying to, he was like, I'd rather just enjoy my life. I've got my daughter, I've got my work that I like, I can't be bothered.

• 11:35Speaker 05

  I wasn't having to care, you know, I had two at university.

• 11:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 11:38Speaker 05

  You know, they're not constantly, they're not needing that, that, all that attention, all that, all the time. And they've got, I mean, they're in far more stable relationships than me. They are, I mean, hugely more stable, I mean, I, you know, that's why they find it kind of amusing. My oldest is in a three and a half year relationship, my youngest, who's twenty three, been with the same guy since he was sixteen.

• 11:57Speaker 06

  Right.

• 11:58Speaker 05

  And they are virtually married and, you know, so I almost get relationship advice off them.

• 12:03Speaker 03

  So this, how, like, you're, you're so, you're always, you're one of the best stand up comedians live in the country. Every time I've seen you on stage in clubs, you absolutely rip it and you're, I love, you're so honest, you're always like.

• 12:13Speaker 06

  Very open.

• 12:14Speaker 03

  Open and honest with everything, but like, and then you make, you know, you make a joke of it, you make it very accessible to people, but like, that's incredible, like, you know, you said your dad died when you were twenty. So now I find when any sort of things happen in my life, or when my kids get to the age I was. So you're looking at your kids at twenty, the age you were when your dad died, now you're going for a divorce. That is a lot to deal with emotionally and stuff like that, like, that must have been such a difficult period, but you, you sort of, you've dealt with it so well.

• 12:40Speaker 05

  I mean, I've got a horrible feeling, my parents, my children are better at this than me. They, they seem to, I mean, they're girls.

• 12:48Speaker 03

  But then that's, that's a credit to you as a parent.

• 12:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 12:51Speaker 03

  They're, they're, they're strong like that.

• 12:52Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, I also, I do believe in luck, I think there's a lot. Do you not know that, do you not know those parents who are brilliant parents with horrible kids?

• 12:59Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 13:00Speaker 05

  We've all come across them, and then crap parents, and I would, no, I'm not going to drag my ex down with me going, we weren't, we got loads wrong. We got. Loads wrong.

• 13:08Speaker 03

  But everyone gets loads wrong.

• 13:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, but, but there's, and I think, yeah, I think the thing that I do think was amazing, and it was amazing in my childhood, and the biggest thing that you have to do, which isn't really an effort, is just have parents that love you so much and let you know.

• 13:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:20Speaker 05

  How much you love them and how much, you know.

• 13:22Speaker 03

  And you're good at letting people know how much you love them.

• 13:24Speaker 05

  I do let people, and how much I dislike them as well. I'm very honest in all my emotions. No, but my, my daughters get a lot of how much I love them, and I'm amazed by them.

• 13:33Speaker 03

  They've always been your main priority. I remember when we gigged, and before I had kids, you'd be like, oh, because I've got to get the girls, they've got school, they've got this, and we've got that, like, it was almost like the, the main through line of your, like, and also being a provider for them, and making sure they had the opportunities and going here, there, and, and stuff. It was mentioned a lot in green rooms where that's not always the case, especially with, you know, when we started, a lot of the comedians above us and older comedians wouldn't mention their kids or family. It was solo pursuit.

• 13:59Speaker 05

  My agent said this to me, that I talked a lot about my kids. I think I've always been incredibly proud of them, and, and, but, and so sort of subtly showing off all the time. Because I think when you're quite an inadequate person and you make people that are great, you kind of need to push.

• 14:12Speaker 03

  You don't actually, you're not, you can't believe you're inadequate. I know you meant shit a lot, but you're, you're so talented and so hardworking and built a brilliant career.

• 14:20Speaker 05

  No, that's, well, that's very nice of you, Rob. No, I'm, no, I suppose, um, yeah, I, I suppose so. I suppose, I mean, I'm, I'm being, I'm, I'm being flippant about it. I think the thing, I talk about my kids quite a lot. My agent said this to me ages ago, when I was still married and when they were small, going, you talk so much about your kids. And I, I don't, because I'm incredibly self-obsessed as well. Maybe it's something else to talk, rather than talk about myself.

• 14:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, because your body's made it, so it's you.

• 14:46Speaker 05

  So maybe it's sort of a connection. It's, it's all ego. It doesn't, I think, I think the thing I'm fighting here, Rob, the thing I'm fighting here is you're trying to make me a nice person. And I'm going, no, you don't understand. It's because I see them and I see bits of myself in them, and I see, they're not quite as good looking as I am, but they're lovely. They've been ruined slightly by their mum, but they're not, they're good. That's what people also do, that thing of going, your kids are so beautiful. And they are, they're very beautiful girls. But, and, and I go, but I would be as well if I lost a bit of weight around the chin and stuff. So I'm, yeah.

• 15:15Speaker 03

  I created that beauty, so I must be beautiful.

• 15:17Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 15:18Speaker 06

  I, here's a, here's some psychology, some amount of psychology then, if we're indulging in that about Hal Crutton and.

• 15:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:25Speaker 06

  So you went to, I, I, I don't know what school you went to, but I, my osteopath, who was a very posh man.

• 15:33Speaker 05

  Oh, right.

• 15:34Speaker 06

  Said he went to school with you. And he was, where was it, Harrow or something?

• 15:39Speaker 05

  No, St Paul's.

• 15:40Speaker 06

  St Paul's, right. And he was like, extremely like, proper Tory kind of, uh, very, his dad was a judge, I think.

• 15:52Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 15:53Speaker 06

  Yeah. And it made me think that, have you gone in a different way with your parenting to a very soft, what, did you come from that? Do you come from quite a hard world or not?

• 16:05Speaker 05

  I ca, I didn't come from that sort of established money. I came, I had a nice cozy, middle-class upbringing in Ealing. With two parents who were not from money. So we were always more insecure amongst the super posh. We wouldn't, you know.

• 16:18Speaker 06

  Ah, right.

• 16:18Speaker 05

  I felt my dad was.

• 16:19Speaker 06

  So they managed to pass that insecurity on?

• 16:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, they passed on that insecurity. We are that, I mean, there was that time, like, I mean, my sister going.

• 16:25Speaker 03

  That's your family heirloom.

• 16:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, but, but so many middle-class people do this. My sister does, my sister was doing it to me the other day and I, she's a lovely, wonderful person. But she was going, we are, we're not that posh. We're quite, we're quite working class. I went, no, our grandparents may have been, but we actually are part of, our parents were of that wave of 50s, 60s, social mobility, which people have forgotten exists now, but it used to exist. You know, social mobility, huge number of people became that sort of middle class. When my dad went to a grammar school, he grew up in Grimsby and his parents moved south and then he went to a grammar school, got to first place, goes to university. And that's, so, so we grew up with that. Grandparents going, you don't know your bone, do you? Look what you've got, not what we, you know, so I would, did not have that sort of established wealth. So I think, I think we are the insecure comfortable.

• 17:08Speaker 03

  Because you were amongst those sort of posho kids at that school.

• 17:10Speaker 05

  We're the comfortably insecure.

• 17:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:12Speaker 05

  So, and, and, you know, so we're, so I've still got that thing of going, oh, where's the next.

• 17:15Speaker 03

  That's a great tour title.

• 17:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. Oh, God, yes. I must, yes, I must remember. Oh, my daughter will listen to this because she listens to every podcast I'm on, my youngest. So let's be careful what she says, but I'll say, that'll be my next title.

• 17:26Speaker 03

  Next tour, yeah.

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  Ugh, I hate Mondays.

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  King's Hawaiian cinnamon swirl bite?

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  Uh, Taylor Hansen? Sure, I'll try one. Mmm.

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  Hey, let's get back to work, please.

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  Taylor Hansen? Nice.

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• 19:04Speaker 03

  So, look, I know we've interviewed you before, but it was on Zoom. Could we have a recap? You know, like, can we do a recap for me? Well, I'll pretend listeners, but for me.

• 19:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm it. Try me in there.

• 19:12Speaker 03

  And, you know, sort of the whole sort of setup of children, husband, like, you know, they do at the start of a drama? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just quick, quick cut. Just a bit of exposition. Yeah, perfect.

• 19:20Speaker 06

  I was confident I'd interviewed you before, but I wasn't a hundred percent.

• 19:24Speaker 03

  You've done a lot of podcasts, mate. You've met a lot of parents.

• 19:28Speaker 06

  And I've met you. So the point is, do you know when you're like, have you interviewed that person? It's like, but if it's someone I've never met, I'm more likely to remember it.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  It's a different energy in person than on Zoom.

• 19:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 19:36Speaker 03

  It is that. So it feels like I'm meeting a new person. Also. And I know I've interviewed you before. They still recover. I know I interviewed you. I just forgot. But there's also that thing of you two, I just, before I met you, I was like, oh, yeah, I know you. I've done seen you stand up. Like, if I saw you on the street, I'd be like, Josh. You'd be like.

• 19:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, people are like that, yeah.

• 19:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's nice, isn't it?

• 19:54Speaker 06

  Lovely.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  No, I've just got enough profile. This is my profile. The narrowing of the eyes with that going. Oh, I sort of recognize. I don't know you from.

• 20:02Speaker 06

  Is that Chanel?

• 20:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:05Speaker 03

  No. So, the fam- in, in, in. Has he got a fake name like when I used to buy Ray Bans from the markets in Spain, Roy Binns? Or is it, is it still Chanel? I've got George Armani watch now, I've just got Casier.

• 20:18Speaker 06

  I used to sell fake Burberry scarves on Manchester Christmas market.

• 20:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think you've told us on this podcast four times.

• 20:23Speaker 06

  Cashmink.

• 20:24Speaker 03

  Cashmink instead of Cashmere?

• 20:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  Cashmink.

• 20:27Speaker 06

  Cashmink.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  I. It's the capital of Belarus, isn't it? Sorry. Cashmere, I think we, I think we play them in the.

• 20:32Speaker 06

  No wonder we're so big in Europe.

• 20:33Speaker 03

  Yeah. I think we're playing them in the Champions League. Right. Sorry. Recap on you children life. Parent in hell. I have, my eldest child is 23, had her when I was 20. So she's 23 now. And then I, when she was about 13, I had the next one, Bonnie Smith. I've got 10 year olds and an eight year old. So two, two daughters, then a son. Yes.

• 20:52Speaker 06

  Two daughters and a son.

• 20:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then you met your now partner when your eldest was 10. Was about 10, yeah. Perfect. Which is funny because now my Bonnie's 10. So it's a little bit funny going, oh. So you fancy a new one?

• 21:01Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 21:02Speaker 03

  Oh, no, thanks. Every 10 years you get a new fella.

• 21:06Speaker 03

  Just churn them out. Yeah, I think like, I think three baby fathers would really go in my fake Chanel necklace, actually. I think it's a great for a new tour.

• 21:15Speaker 06

  What's the 23 year old up to?

• 21:17Speaker 03

  She's quite nice. She's all right. Wasn't a question. No, no, she's all right. She's, she's in the middle of a degree. She went, she, she did her A levels during Covid, so she didn't really want to go straight to degree. It's a bit of a weird time, a bit of a rest and development, if I'm honest. I think they're all finding their feet from then. And so she's in the middle of a degree, interior spatial design. I'm basically that mum now, you know, when your mum could never say the right brand name? Or your degree, like, don't do that. And so I always get it wrong. She's doing something. So it's not interior design? No, it's interior, it's sort of more architectural. If you ask her, she'll go, yeah, I'm an architect. She's just down the road, she lives near, ah, she's.

• 21:53Speaker 06

  So how's that as a parent? Are you how involved, like?

• 21:57Speaker 03

  So fucking involved.

• 22:00Speaker 03

  Laura doesn't even know what it, what it's called.

• 22:01Speaker 06

  I know, but you can still be involved.

• 22:03Speaker 03

  What her degree is. You know, I am involved. I wouldn't say you're overly involved in your daughter's life if you don't even know what she's studying.

• 22:08Speaker 03

  I do, but I don't ever get the name. It's interior spatial design at University Arts London, all right? There we go, there we go. And then she's got a little nanny in job and then she works at a little.

• 22:17Speaker 02

  Local bakery, pillar of the community, she's alright, the girls, she's alright.

• 22:21Speaker 03

  She sounds very sensible.

• 22:22Speaker 06

  And do you think about every day, you like worrying or you?

• 22:26Speaker 02

  Oh, it's worse, worse when they're older.

• 22:29Speaker 06

  Nah.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  I bet your mum and dad's worried about you more now.

• 22:32Speaker 03

  Um, I'm gonna say about my mum and dad, noon.

• 22:38Speaker 02

  Don't know what he does for a living.

• 22:40Speaker 03

  I'll give you a quick recap of what my mum and dad recently, where um, I finished filming at something a bit earlier than planned.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  Say less, fam, say less.

• 22:48Speaker 03

  And I went, I'm home for a few days, um, do you wanna meet up, I'm busy this week, oh, not fair enough, no worries. Then the next week I went, oh, I'll come down and see you on Monday, after term with the kids, then I rung her back a hour later, went, it's bank holiday Monday, I'm not gonna do it, it'll be mental down in Margate, I'll come late in the week, I went, if you want, you can come up and see me, we've not seen each other for about three, four weeks, come to my bank holiday Monday, and Barbie went, nah, we're busy. Anyway, I was supposed to go and see him on the Friday, then my flight back from filming got in at 3am from Tenerife, I went, I'm be too tired, I can't do the driving there and back the next day, come up if you want, nah, we're alright. So I won't say they're overly worried.

• 23:22Speaker 02

  Not overly worried.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  Well, they may be just-

• 23:25Speaker 03

  They're letting me crack on.

• 23:26Speaker 02

  I just think in your twenties, you're a bit weird.

• 23:27Speaker 06

  See a lot of you on TV though, don't they?

• 23:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, they know what you're up to.

• 23:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, they know what I'm doing.

• 23:30Speaker 02

  They get the chortle updates.

• 23:31Speaker 03

  But twenty-three's different, I'm boring and safe pair of hands, adult now, twenty-three's the anomaly, isn't it?

• 23:36Speaker 02

  Are your kids a pull for them though? That's, I mean, that's the only way you have contact. My mum will like, well, I don't think my mum would bother seeing me, she likes my kids.

• 23:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, the kids, yeah, the kids have to be an absolute guarantee that they're there for them to come.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  No interest when it's just you.

• 23:47Speaker 03

  Also though, if, if the kids weren't there, just me, my mum and dad looking at each other.

• 23:51Speaker 06

  How much do you wanna see them?

• 23:54Speaker 03

  Am I desperate for that three-way chat?

• 23:57Speaker 06

  You're not desperate for that three-way, are you, Rob?

• 23:59Speaker 03

  No, as I sit there and hear about like, what their mate down the road's been up to, what their doctor's doing.

• 24:04Speaker 02

  My mum like, it's, it's word association with my mum, like, you know, you know, I don't know if she's always been like this, but you know, when she'll ask you about something and then you say something, it just sparks something in her, like, how was the hospital? Oh yeah, it's alright, couldn't find parking, oh, I couldn't, in Ilford. You're like, and now we're just talking about a trip to Ilford, that's what we're talking about.

• 24:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, so she actually had hospital, wasn't she? You said there was bad parking, then she's on her own story about parking, yeah, that.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  It's just, it's word association.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, is that all old people?

• 24:30Speaker 02

  Is it? Yeah, but yeah.

• 24:31Speaker 06

  Well, it's us on this podcast, to be fair.

• 24:33Speaker 03

  True, yeah.

• 24:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is a podcast.

• 24:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I, I, at least you can choose to listen to this.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  Do you know what I mean, it's like you can't just sort of say to your mum, "I'm not really feeling the podcast this week", "Phone down",

• 24:47Speaker 02

  Your mum seems to be able to say it to you.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  Nah, I'm saying Monday, "My famous son and his beautiful kids",

• 24:56Speaker 03

  Nah, we're busy.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  We're busy.

• 24:58Speaker 03

  What would mum, what did she say the other day?

• 25:00Speaker 06

  What were they busy with? Do they give you specifics?

• 25:02Speaker 03

  You will never guess in a million years, I'm gonna tell ya.

• 25:04Speaker 06

  27 Euros.

• 25:05Speaker 03

  They went down to the local... They went down to the...

• 25:09Speaker 02

  Shut up, you arse.

• 25:10Speaker 03

  They went down to the local pub, to the function room, to watch their GP play drums in a band.

• 25:16Speaker 06

  What's their GP? Oh, their doctor? Fucking hell, what?

• 25:19Speaker 02

  It's the only way you can get to see your GP.

• 25:21Speaker 06

  Oh, there we go.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  Lovely stuff.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  I bet your dad was bending over for a prostate exam with a drumstick.

• 25:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, the thing is, when you get to that age, you can get into GPs whenever you want.

• 25:33Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:33Speaker 03

  It's like an open door policy over eighty.

• 25:35Speaker 06

  I bet he was fucking gutted to see them.

• 25:37Speaker 02

  No, they invited him down.

• 25:39Speaker 06

  He also didn't mean it, he just was trying to get him out of the room.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, but then they've gone there over seeing me.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  Can you play the drums?

• 25:46Speaker 03

  I can't play drums.

• 25:47Speaker 06

  What's his band? Did they give you any more specifics on his band?

• 25:50Speaker 03

  No, but he also edits video because he's offered to edit my stand-up tour shows.

• 25:55Speaker 06

  They're cheap, eh?

• 25:56Speaker 03

  And I think he does magic. Personally, I wouldn't have him as my doctor. No offence to him, but there's too many other things he's into.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, what are you, Miss Rabbit in Peppa Pig? Just have one job.

• 26:08Speaker 03

  What I want from my doctor, someone that's into medicine, not playing drums. Someone that maybe's got a book on funny moles, because he's into it.

• 26:16Speaker 06

  By the way, before I tell you your test results, what's yours in sixth grade?

• 26:20Speaker 03

  Shall I ring my mum and ask her about this doctor? And what he actually is into? Because it'd be nice to catch up with her.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  I don't want to be a bit of a knobbit, you know that kind of like, "You're Rob Beckett, you know, people know you, you're off the telly", "This idea that is, presumably he's a professional doctor, amateur videographer", "This idea that it's like, if he needs anyone to do his stand-up videos", "It's like, I think my agent, I think my team have got that covered actually, I think I'm good".

• 26:42Speaker 03

  I do think if I rang up my agent and said, "Don't worry about the editor, my mum and dad have sorted me out a videographer from Margate, he's currently a GP, I've requested an appointment to do the editing, someone's gonna ring me back in three weeks". Sometimes it's like my mate went the other day, like my mum on school, oh, we're doing like the local little street festival that's in the summer. It's like, um, we've got a bit of budget and then they went, just a little bit, if you wanna do like forty minutes. Oh yeah, I wanna do forty minutes on a street in my local area. I thought, do you know what you don't wanna be that guy that goes.

• 27:19Speaker 06

  There's not enough budget in the world.

• 27:20Speaker 03

  There's not enough budget in the world. Forty minutes is so, like, no, even if you'd get paid to do like a big cabaret, end of a night set at a big awards do, it's twenty to thirty max. It's just kids running around with bubbles that I are friends with my kids. What am I gonna talk about? I'll quickly, I'll quickly remind them to find out what. No, work's work, isn't it? She's busy. Well, she's, she's actually getting the kids in an hour because.

• 27:42Speaker 06

  She's gonna think there's something wrong with the kids.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  She ain't bothered about you all. She don't care, does she? New number, who dis?

• 27:52Speaker 03

  Okay. And that's.

• 27:54Speaker 06

  She's gonna call back. She'll call back.

• 27:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's summed up your relationship with your mum there. Lovely.

• 27:59Speaker 06

  What are you looking at your texts with her now?

• 28:01Speaker 03

  Now I'm paranoid that she's never asked me and I only ask her to meet up. You've got it in my head. No, I have got it in your head. You said.

• 28:08Speaker 06

  So do you ask your daughter to meet up? You're twenty-three year old or is she coming to you?

• 28:12Speaker 03

  No, yeah, she'll come to me. We do, we do nice things. She's, she's sort of done that sort of transition where she's got a bit of a flatmate and then it's a little bit. You know that first realisation in the world, you're sort of full of confidence, then you realise, oh, all of my confidence is based on rolling my eyes at my parents. Now I'm out in the world, maybe they do know a thing or two about the washing machine and paying bills. Do you know what I mean? So I'm trying to make sure, cause I've got the little ones, I've realised he does suffer from that. So I've done little things like I took her to Morocco for a little spa break. Oh nice, nice. Just trying to have the, I'm trying to have one-on-one time with my kids. I think that's important, even when the, the younger ones separate as well, like they really come out of the shell and they operate as an individual, not a pair. It's nice. We call it divide and conquer, me and my husband with the little ones. Sometimes we look at each other going, oh, I'll take that. And then all of a sudden go, oh, I didn't know.

• 28:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, they, they come to life, don't they? Especially when you're with the little one for the day. Yeah, and they're sitting in the front, cause somebody's in the back chatting and then you've got them in the front. Yeah. I think there's something really nice. How many you got again too?

• 29:07Speaker 06

  Two.

• 29:08Speaker 03

  How old today again?

• 29:08Speaker 06

  Eight and five.

• 29:10Speaker 03

  Okay, that's cute.

• 29:14Speaker 06

  We're rolling.

• 29:15Speaker 07

  Are we rolling? Oh, fuck.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  Eddie, are you alright?

• 29:18Speaker 07

  Yeah. It's not great, Scott.

• 29:20Speaker 06

  But normally when you're rolling, you are in character.

• 29:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, I am, yeah.

• 29:23Speaker 06

  Do you like being yourself? Or are you one of those actors that hates being...

• 29:27Speaker 07

  Um, I don't mind being myself. I like disappearing. It's what I do, and I quite like that. You know, initially, when I first started, I thought I was gonna be the next Tommy Steele, you know?

• 29:40Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 29:41Speaker 07

  Like, charismatic, cocky. And then I realised very early on that I was gonna be Long Chaney Jr.

• 29:48Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 29:49Speaker 07

  And to play all the monsters, so I thought, might as well earn a few bucks.

• 29:54Speaker 03

  So how are you in public, though? Because, you know, you've done so many films now, and you're so known and loved. Do you find that a bit overwhelming when people recognise you and want to talk to you? When obviously you like disappearing and being a character?

• 30:05Speaker 07

  You know what's funny is people recognise me for different things.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:09Speaker 07

  I mean, a lot of people recognise me for Ray Donovan.

• 30:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:11Speaker 07

  And especially if you go over to the States, Ray Donovan is a big thing. But over here, some people recognise you for the Mike Lee thing, and they want to sit down and talk to you about the artistic credentials of doing that.

• 30:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, serious chat.

• 30:24Speaker 07

  And then a lot of the youth know me from Hancock, so they just want to talk to me about Will Smith.

• 30:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:30Speaker 07

  And you talk about that, you know?

• 30:31Speaker 03

  They peaked after the Oscars.

• 30:33Speaker 07

  Yeah. They said, "What would you have done if you was Chris Warr?" I said, "Look, I've had him already."

• 30:40Speaker 03

  I'd have done him again.

• 30:41Speaker 07

  I'd have done him again.

• 30:44Speaker 03

  Right, so how many kids you got? You four kids, Eddie?

• 30:46Speaker 07

  I've got four kids, yeah.

• 30:47Speaker 03

  Right.

• 30:48Speaker 07

  I've got fifteen-year-old, seventeen-year-old, twenty-year-old and twenty-one.

• 30:52Speaker 06

  Oh, wow. So they're... Have some of them flown the nest?

• 30:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, my two oldest have flown the nest. They're at university in drama school. My seventeen-year-old's, yeah. And he's about to, my seventeen-year-old's about to go into university. And my fifteen-year-old's about to do A-levels.

• 31:09Speaker 06

  And when you've got someone going to drama school, do you think, "Oh, my God, it's a tough industry", or do you think, "Amazing, I'm so proud of them"?

• 31:18Speaker 07

  Um, I don't think they realise how tough it is.

• 31:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, because they've seen someone sail through it.

• 31:22Speaker 07

  They only see working actors, they don't realise how tough it is.

• 31:26Speaker 03

  Also, that's why they must see you being you, which is like, just a normal dad.

• 31:31Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 31:31Speaker 03

  Going off to do something, and go, well, if he could do it, and he's that bloke who's just round me ass moaning at me.

• 31:35Speaker 07

  And the funny thing is, because when your, when your dad, there's a funny thing, when your dad, you're quite useless at home, aren't you? I mean, I was away so much, my wife kept it all going, so when I came home, I just fitted in. I'm quite useless. So whenever, whenever they, they consider what I do, they think, well, he is useless.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  They've seen you at your worst most days.

• 31:58Speaker 07

  Seen me at my worst. So they kind of go, well, you know, if he can do it, I can do it, yeah. I remember being in Bethnal Green and there was, there was a guy with, he had a drug, a drug addiction, he used to be on the street. And he came up to me, Bethnal Green, went, I don't want to ask you about acting, because I looked at you and I thought, well, if he can do it.

• 32:16Speaker 03

  Well, that, well, that representation is important, and you've done a lot about that, about working class people being in the arts. I think that's so important because, you know, if you can see someone else doing it, then it looks achievable, rather than it being totally alien. For me, I used to love Billy Connolly and Richard Pryor, but they felt like such, he was obviously like a folk singer.

• 32:33Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 32:33Speaker 03

  And from Scotland, which when you grab me, South East London, is like this crazy guy.

• 32:36Speaker 07

  Huge amount of similarities between your act and Billy Connolly's.

• 32:39Speaker 03

  Exactly. And Richard Pryor and his mad stories about growing up.

• 32:44Speaker 07

  Exactly, but neither of them are anything like you.

• 32:46Speaker 03

  But when I saw Alan Davis.

• 32:49Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 32:49Speaker 03

  And Peter Kay talking about dogs and baked bean juice and biscuits and all that, I was like, oh. There's a world, like, these are talking about things I understand, and maybe I can do it.

• 32:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 33:00Speaker 03

  So like, you know, for your kids, like, it must be weird that, you know, they're going into a world now where they're going to uni and studying and stuff like that. And they're growing up in a totally different way to how you grew up.

• 33:11Speaker 07

  Well, one of the hardest things about, for me, being a parent, is I, I come from a completely different background to the ones my kids live in. So sometimes you don't realise how alien it is. When like, when my, my, my boys come from West London, went to quite a posh school, and they play football, and all the other dads would be like, oh, well done Jasper, well done. And I'd be on the, on the line, go for a post, boy, go for a Q, you're a good starter. One day with my son, my, my, my eldest son, and my daughter's the eldest, but my eldest boy, he was in the middle of a football ground. He stopped, he stopped running, he said, Daddy, let's cock me, let's cock me.

• 33:49Speaker 07

  You've got range, haven't you?

• 33:53Speaker 03

  Can you disappear for a bit, Dad, at the moment? We want less comedy.

• 33:56Speaker 07

  I was listening, my dad used to have his fag hanging out his mouth, go, oh boy, and I was listening to my father for a minute, you know.

• 34:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, go on, boy, boy.

• 34:04Speaker 03

  My, my dad, we had a neighbour called Roy, Roy the Boy, he was a cab driver, and he had his cab, it was perfectly keen, that cab driver, and it was, it had done 300,000 miles, right? And this was, I lived sort of near Mottin or Melton Way, and I had a girlfriend in East End in North London.

• 34:19Speaker 07

  Oh, right, big shock.

• 34:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, don't want to show off, but I've had girlfriends.

• 34:21Speaker 07

  Punching around your way, Jimmy.

• 34:22Speaker 03

  Exactly, I've had the angel. And he come up to me, and he was so, that generation of people, he might have been about your dad's age, actually, he come up and went, what you going up to North London for, boy? And it was like, going all the way there for a girlfriend, but that boy, boy, it's like, that sort of died off a little bit, and I'm calling him, good boy.

• 34:40Speaker 07

  Do you say, I came up in this situation and you're in this situation? All the time, and the worst thing I did was to tell my kids, because I left school at, I left school at 15, before I was 16, because I didn't really do any GCSEs, so I got no qualifications. And I thought, I thought that would inspire them, because I, I was giving them a good life.

• 35:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:01Speaker 07

  And I said, you look, you know, I, and, and, but I soon realised that they would say to me, Daddy, you don't know what you're talking about, because you never did exams. So there was a point where I was just useless.

• 35:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:11Speaker 07

  There was nothing I could do, you know, and even, even like doing drama at school, I can't really give them any notes, because I'm not really a, um, a, an experienced actor, I'm just Daddy, and Daddy's useless.

• 35:25Speaker 06

  Did you go up through drama school and stuff?

• 35:27Speaker 07

  I went to drama, I eventually got into Mountview when I was, I was an apprentice printer initially, and I was, I was in a club in Mayor Street in Hackney.

• 35:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 35:37Speaker 07

  And I was dancing in the club and with my mate Emmanuel, and Emmanuel was like tall, Saint Lucian, of Saint Lucian descent, looked gorgeous, and he ended up being a model, and someone asked him to be an extra in a movie. And he said, yeah, can I take Eddie? And they took me, and I was there, and I saw Jamie Forman, who became a friend of mine, do a scene on this dance floor, we had to walk across the dance floor. And I suddenly thought, God, I want to be an actor. That's what I wanna do. And that's how it started.

• 36:00Speaker 06

  And so how did you then go to get into drama school and stuff?

• 36:03Speaker 07

  Well, first of all, me and Emmanuel, I tried to get into drama school, so Emmanuel coached me on, and neither of us knew what we were doing. So I used to be a printer, right? So in print, in print, you've got this thing called, I don't wanna bore you, but printing is all about the chemical balance between the ink and the paper. And when it's wrong, you get this thing called scumming, where the paper gets dirty, right?

• 36:22Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 36:22Speaker 07

  So on Shakespeare, you know, in Shakespeare, you've got a lot of commas, like, where before words, like, there's a comma where they miss out the beginning of a word. Put your eye in big pantomime. I didn't know what that was. So I'm reading this thing, and I'm going, man, look at that scumming on that.

• 36:38Speaker 07

  I had no idea what I was doing. And I tried for four, about four years to get into drama school, eventually got in.

• 36:44Speaker 06

  Didn't your boss pay for you to go in?

• 36:47Speaker 07

  Yeah, he was an East End bookmaker, yeah. He paid, he said to me, what do you wanna do? I said, what do you wanna do, boy? And I said, I wanna be a, I wanna be an actor. He said, well, if you get in, I'll pay. And he did.

• 36:55Speaker 06

  Oh, wow.

• 36:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, he used to run a book in Wolfenstow, Dog Track, yeah.

• 36:59Speaker 06

  Oh, wow. So it's a totally different childhood your kids have had.

• 37:02Speaker 07

  Completely different, completely. But they love going back to the East End. They love going back, they go back there, they go back. I got Emmanuel's mum, his mum, my kids go and see her at Christmas, and they take her flowers.

• 37:12Speaker 06

  Oh, wow, he's still, you keep in touch?

• 37:14Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, I'm still very much in touch with it, yeah. And my kids love that. It's funny, because...

• 37:17Speaker 06

  It's changed a lot, right?

• 37:19Speaker 07

  Not, not, not down my end. Once you get past Poliches, it's still the same. I mean, up near Shoreditch, you saw, you saw, you know, hipster socialists walking around.

• 37:29Speaker 06

  There was twats that moved into Victoria Park. That was me, I laughed, I laughed. I've got back to Devon, my roots. You said four kids?

• 37:37Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 37:38Speaker 06

  And they presumably have come on, you know, you've been busy for, you know, twenty years, like, super back to back, presumably.

• 37:46Speaker 07

  And they've grown up on, they've grown up travelling. When we did, we did Ray Donovan, and my wife, bless her, was amazing. She had four kids under the age of seven. And she used to take them on planes to over to LA to see me. Like, school holidays and summer holidays and be with me. And they were amazing. They grew, and they grew up on film sets. They grew up on, in Culver City, we did Ray Donovan. They grew up around that, and they used to love the, all the food, because they had a load of sweet. You could always tell when Eddie's kids were there, because all the, all the door handles in the studio were sticky, because the kids were going.

• 38:20Speaker 03

  And were the studio and the producers happy for that to happen?

• 38:23Speaker 07

  Yeah, they loved it. Very good. Lee had two kids.

• 38:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:26Speaker 07

  Dash had a kid, so we'd all have barbecues, all the kids grew up together.

• 38:29Speaker 03

  Oh, nice.

• 38:30Speaker 06

  Amazing.

• 38:31Speaker 07

  It was great fun.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  Because your partner was a makeup artist, is that right?

• 38:33Speaker 07

  My wife wasn't ma-, she's a writer, she wasn't a makeup artist.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  Oh, wow, yeah, so is that how you met?

• 38:37Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 38:38Speaker 03

  And then did she stop that one, the kids were younger then, when you were working?

• 38:41Speaker 07

  She met me, do you remember Monkey Magic?

• 38:43Speaker 06

  No, what was Monkey Magic?

• 38:44Speaker 07

  Monkey, Piggy. Do you remember that?

• 38:46Speaker 03

  I'm not one of the, well, it was dubbed.

• 38:48Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah. I played, I done a movie of that and I played Piggy.

• 38:52Speaker 03

  Right.

• 38:52Speaker 07

  So I was pussy, so my wife did that with makeup. She ma-, she ended up marrying the pig. But the thing is, the boyfriend before me was like a good looking, and he was a model, and he had headshots. So I used to put his photograph on the fridge and me as a pig next to it.

• 39:10Speaker 03

  What you could have won.

• 39:11Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, like, yeah.

• 39:13Speaker 06

  And what are you like as a dad then? Because you seem very affable and fun.

• 39:19Speaker 07

  Um, I can be a sergeant major one week and a hippie the next.

• 39:22Speaker 06

  Can you?

• 39:22Speaker 07

  You know, because you don't know what you're doing, do you?

• 39:24Speaker 06

  No.

• 39:25Speaker 07

  You know, when you go to those parent conferences when you're a kid and when you're, when you're about, your first kid and someone's read a book and they think, well, that's how you do it, you think, no.

• 39:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:33Speaker 07

  You, you, you, you make it up as you go along, really.

• 39:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:36Speaker 07

  All you can do is you just, just love them, really, you know?

• 39:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:39Speaker 07

  And they do see the worst of you and they see the best of you.

• 39:42Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:42Speaker 07

  You know, I mean, my, there's two of my kids don't get on, and one of my kids the other day, uh, kind of had a, got really upset and stormed out the house. And we didn't know where he was, and then the one that he doesn't get on with fun, he said, no, he's with me, don't worry, I've got him. And then you suddenly realise that there's connections you don't, you don't realise, you know? And it's really good like that, really, you know? I, I, I, um, I've got funny stories, I, I meditate, because I, I suffered from anxiety, so I meditate every day. And I was trying to teach two of my kids, my two youngest, to meditate, because they were, they were like, running around.

• 40:17Speaker 03

  What age was this when they were little?

• 40:17Speaker 07

  And I said, right, we're going to meditate, boys, so sit down, I'm going to show you how to do it. And I sat down, and I closed my eyes with them and I thought, and after a couple of minutes, and I thought, this is going really well. And I was talking them through it, we're closing my eyes, and I thought, they're really quiet, this is, and I opened my eyes, and the older one is standing, he pulled his pants and trousers down, and he's getting his woolly and he's going.

• 40:40Speaker 07

  And the younger one is trying, crying, laughing, trying not to lie. You've got your own, just taking a mick out.

• 40:48Speaker 06

  Did you always want a big family like that then? Because it must be exciting, like, all this stuff going on and like...

• 40:55Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's...

• 40:56Speaker 06

  I mean, exciting, strike exhausting.

• 40:58Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's both, it's both, I mean, life's like that though, isn't it? I mean, life's, one thing you realise, one thing I've realised was that when, when I was younger and I wanted to be an actor, I thought, once I achieve that, I'm good, life's just gonna be, happiness is gonna be one direction.

• 41:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:15Speaker 07

  And life's not like, life expands like a flower, expands. So you, I, I love it, but it's also exhausting, stressful, there's a responsibility and, and being a parent is like that, isn't it?

• 41:25Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 41:25Speaker 07

  It, the joy is, the joy is one direction and it's amazing and the love you feel, but the anxiety you feel and the, you know. I mean, I tell my wife to turn off that Live 360, you know.

• 41:37Speaker 06

  Is that the tracker thing?

• 41:38Speaker 07

  You know, she knows where I had 21 hours, and I say, turn it off.

• 41:42Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 41:42Speaker 07

  I mean, God, if my mum would have known where I was when I was, there's no way.

• 41:49Speaker 01

  Ugh, I hate Mondays.

• 41:51Speaker 02

  King's Hawaiian Cinnamon Swirl Bite?

• 41:53Speaker 01

  Uh, Taylor Hanson? Sure, I'll try one.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 41:58Speaker 03

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• 42:00Speaker 01

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• 42:04Speaker 03

  Taylor Hanson? Nice.

• 42:06Speaker 02

  Try one.

• 42:08Speaker 03

  Mmm.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  King's Hawaiian Cinnamon Bites. There's nothing like it.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  Jack Savoretti, welcome to the podcast.

• 42:26Speaker 06

  Thanks for having me, guys.

• 42:27Speaker 03

  Now, obviously, we're, we're just all getting on so well that we did, we just started chatting.

• 42:30Speaker 06

  We didn't realise we'd started.

• 42:31Speaker 03

  No.

• 42:32Speaker 06

  That's how good we are. It's been a great show. Yeah, yeah.

• 42:34Speaker 03

  I, I met you on Graham Norton.

• 42:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:37Speaker 03

  Um, but full rundown, three kids.

• 42:39Speaker 06

  Three kids.

• 42:40Speaker 03

  How many, what, did you say, dogs and cats?

• 42:42Speaker 06

  Four dogs, and now we've sort of inherited a cat, not inherited a cat, a cat chose us as they do. Even though you've got four dogs? Even though we got four dogs, which is impressive, and it took her a while, she's...

• 42:52Speaker 03

  Somebody had abandoned her. She's a beautiful cat. I'm not a cat person, but she's a beautiful cat.

• 42:57Speaker 06

  I'm a cat person.

• 42:58Speaker 03

  And you've got four dogs. It took her six months. I built her like a little chalet meow meow, I call it. It's like a little cat house outside. It's like a little log cabin for cats.

• 43:08Speaker 06

  Oh, wow.

• 43:08Speaker 03

  And so she started staying in there. And now that it's sort of spring and we have the doors open, she started to sort of come in.

• 43:14Speaker 06

  Oh, no.

• 43:15Speaker 03

  And the dogs aren't bothering her? The dogs are a little bit scared of her. What dogs you got? I've got a border collie and then we have three cocker pews, cocker sort of.

• 43:23Speaker 06

  Oh, so they're small dogs?

• 43:24Speaker 03

  No, the border collie's quite big. She's quite big. She's sort of my soulmate. Massive. Not that big. Big for a dog, that. Too big for a dog. We just sort of walked to get everywhere together. She's my, she's my soulmate. And then the other three are just pretty hectic.

• 43:41Speaker 06

  I was reading your Wikipedia name and you, you're not called Jack?

• 43:46Speaker 03

  No, I've always been called Jack. Like my mother's called me Jack, but on my passport, I'm Giovanni. I was named after my grandfather.

• 43:52Speaker 06

  Ah.

• 43:52Speaker 03

  But my, because I was born in London, my mother's English and she was just like, Giovanni's gonna be a tough one.

• 43:57Speaker 06

  Ah, right.

• 43:58Speaker 03

  But you know, especially like early eighties, she was just like, she wasn't crazy. She just wanted Jack.

• 44:03Speaker 06

  I thought you'd picked a less spectacular stage name. I thought you'd go like, I'm one of the only people who's having. Dull down the name for the stage.

• 44:11Speaker 03

  No, I've been asked to change my name. I've been asked to change my last name a lot in the music business.

• 44:15Speaker 06

  Really? I'd have thought it's a sell.

• 44:17Speaker 03

  I, I agree. I think it's interesting. It's also just who I am. Like it is what it is. Yeah. But I've been told, I got one executive said, if you keep your name, we'll have to put it in the world music section. I hate the term world music already, so. That's just music, isn't it? It's just music, not in English. Yeah, yeah. Um, but yeah, that was an interesting, it happened a few times.

• 44:37Speaker 06

  What name did you toy with? Did you ever consider, was there any, was there a shortlist?

• 44:41Speaker 03

  No, he did, he did suggest Sav or Savo or something like. Sav, Jack Sav.

• 44:46Speaker 06

  Jack Sav.

• 44:47Speaker 03

  Sounds like a criminal from the fifties. I mean. Jack Sav used to work with the Crays. I mean, to be fair, Jack Sav already sounds like a criminal. Yeah, true. So that sort of midlife crisis realization, then you wrote the album off the back of that basis? Is that what was the motivator? Well, did it, it didn't manifest in anything else other than the album with like decisions of? No, not really. Well, I mean, it had just come from a period. Where I had I had lost my father, we'd just had a we'd had a third child sort of thing, we were coming through that, which was also a shock to the system. Because let's just say Celeste, number three, but Celeste, it was a surprise. It was a very much like, we were sort of out on the other side. Six year gap. Yeah, ten year with the eldest. Oh god, yes, that's a long, yeah.

• 45:30Speaker 03

  It was a long time and we were starting to find ourselves again and starting to just, it was just, things were changing. My wife and I were starting to hang out a lot more. Yeah, of course.

• 45:39Speaker 06

  Hence, hence why it happened.

• 45:43Speaker 03

  Too much time together. Spent way too much time together. It's happened again. Um, but I mean, it was the best thing that happened to us and I'm gonna throw that cliche out there, because it is. Oh, of course, yeah. It's just, but it can be a shock at the time. It was a real shock. My wife was very happy. She was really happy. It was a bit like the same, again, I mean, she might not like me saying this, but it was a bit with her midlife crisis. The same thing with Maggie, the dog, like keeping her alive. This was another thing. Yeah, because it's another baby. Her own moment of questioning time and is there time for one more? Could I do this again? Should we have another one? She was very much in that mentality. I really wasn't. I mean, it was just during Covid as well and like it was during the lockdown where finally the world did stop.

• 46:26Speaker 03

  For me, I mean, I hate saying that because it wasn't a great time for people, but for me personally, it was really nice to stop. And to not have that sense of guilt for stopping. Yes, or worry, it was taken out of your control. Exactly, whether somebody else was doing what I should have been doing and all that. It was like, no, everything stopped, so you can actually turn off now. And when that happened, I was like, I was tired. I realized I was actually really tired. And when this, so when we got pregnant again, I was like, oh man. I gotta go back to work. This is gonna be tough. But luckily, it's actually been the best source of inspiration for that. Yeah. For both of us, for my wife and I. And what does she do? She's an artist. She was an actress. Yeah. And then during, she's always been an incredible artist, but she had focused mainly on her acting.

• 47:10Speaker 03

  And done some amazing films, worked with Tim Burton, Francois Zan, done some great. But then during lockdown again, there was a real, she realised I don't want to go back out there. I think she had just had her time.

• 47:21Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 47:22Speaker 03

  The getting the job was and being rejected was becoming more.

• 47:25Speaker 06

  I think it's horrible.

• 47:26Speaker 03

  It's brutal acting. That becomes kind of the craft, surviving that.

• 47:30Speaker 06

  Do you know what? You so rarely get it in our job where you are up for something and there's a list of people or you don't know the list of people, but you have to go along. And you have to audition. It's, I don't know, it's so rare.

• 47:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:45Speaker 06

  And then you'd have to watch whoever got the job.

• 47:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:49Speaker 06

  And your whole life, if you're an actor, is presumably lived in just this kind of edge of will I get that? What if I get that? When do I find out about that? I've got a callback. I wonder how many people have got a callback. All of that. I don't know how every actor isn't insane. A lot of them are.

• 48:10Speaker 03

  Well, the worst, the worst part of a normal job, like when I worked in an office job, the worst part of working office job is going for job interviews and your first day at work. And that's essentially all acting is.

• 48:19Speaker 06

  All the time.

• 48:20Speaker 03

  It's going for the interview and then being there for a day and then moving on. I understand. I mean, there is a buzz if you do get the job.

• 48:26Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 48:27Speaker 03

  And that was becoming more of her, like she was very, becoming quite competitive. Ah, okay. The craft was taking a backseat and that's when she was like, um, this is not good. She didn't like that feeling. It was no longer about the craft of acting. It was the craft of like the audition, getting the job, which is part of it. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, of course. I think that's when she was just like done with that. And so she wanted to, I think, really master a craft again. Yeah. Creation and art was there. Suddenly she was in charge. She was the one that could just make things come to life from nothing. And she's a ridiculously prolific, wonderful and successful artist. So that, that was an interesting switch for both of us as well. How does she find you going back on tour then? Because obviously I had lockdown home together. Really?

• 49:11Speaker 03

  I think for multiple reasons. At first it means I'm still working, which is a nice thing. Yeah. But also I think we've always had that in our relationship. Yeah. Been together 22 years. So that distance makes.

• 49:22Speaker 07

  The heart grow fonder. It keeps us incredibly like, you know, the choice of being in love rather than it's easy to be in love when everything's hunky dory.

• 49:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:30Speaker 07

  But to choose it when things, when there's a struggle and all that. I think that the touring and being away from each other makes you feel like you're sort of fighting and holding on to something again. And it does, it is incredibly bonding for us.

• 49:41Speaker 06

  Do you find that, Rob?

• 49:42Speaker 03

  Well, it's different for comedians, isn't it? Because we go to like Doncaster for the night and drive home.

• 49:49Speaker 07

  I'm not exactly.

• 49:50Speaker 03

  No, but with music, when you tour abroad, like you tour abroad a lot more.

• 49:54Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 49:54Speaker 03

  And you're away for six weeks.

• 49:55Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 49:55Speaker 03

  Nonstop where comedy really is like, okay, it's like sort of.

• 49:59Speaker 07

  I'll be back and I'll do the school run, but then I'm going to Leeds.

• 50:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:02Speaker 07

  Yeah, but I, I have to be honest, I've, me personally have been able to build much more of that.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  Oh, that's good.

• 50:07Speaker 07

  Not by choice, by lack of success maybe also. But I do, I don't really have, like, I'm never away from, like, two weeks is kind of the limit.

• 50:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, I can't do any more than that because especially with the kids.

• 50:18Speaker 07

  Totally. I don't like it. I don't like what happens. I get too detached. They get almost too detached as well. They sort of like just move on without you.

• 50:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:26Speaker 07

  They're not running to the say hello anymore and all that. So it becomes a bit, uh, two weeks is the most.

• 50:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that's a good, good decision.

• 50:32Speaker 06

  Does it feel different going back out when you've got kids to?

• 50:36Speaker 07

  Yeah. This, I think it's getting harder actually, if I'm totally honest, like just because parenting is getting so much cooler.

• 50:43Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 50:43Speaker 07

  At your age, like I love it. And also when the first time around, I, I, you know, you've got a sort of six month old kid in your hand and you're like, this, this, this is gonna, this is it forever. You don't realize how quickly time flies. You don't realize how quickly that six month old is.

• 50:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 50:58Speaker 07

  Wanting to spend the weekend with friends and not answering your text messages when you're like, where are you? Like suddenly that's gone, that moment of like is gone. And so now, I mean, I feel sort of sorry for my, my daughter because I'm like properly like holding on to every moment I can with her because I know how quickly this goes. So I think that the absence.

• 51:19Speaker 03

  I literally felt like, you know when you're filming a soul leaves a body?

• 51:23Speaker 06

  Oh no.

• 51:25Speaker 06

  Sure going back to having all your friends there and thinking one decision could ruin it all.

• 51:31Speaker 06

  I mean, you're laughing a lot for someone who's really bringing some dark thoughts into the room.

• 51:35Speaker 03

  That's why he's good at singer songwriter.

• 51:37Speaker 07

  This is like my therapy, I'm giggling.

• 51:39Speaker 03

  Am I allowed to call you a singer songwriter? Is that allowed? Is that not, I don't know.

• 51:42Speaker 07

  It's world music, isn't it?

• 51:45Speaker 03

  Don't ever go in because what he said made you question your own.

• 51:48Speaker 07

  I made one world music album in a time, the rest is in English. No, I mean, I'm a very jolly person, that's right. I only write sad songs, I don't usually write when I'm happy.

• 51:57Speaker 06

  Do you find, this is an interesting thing. I think the darkest comedians are often the lightest offstage, right?

• 52:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, and the light fluffy ones are the ones that are real.

• 52:06Speaker 06

  Yeah, they're trying to cover up a kind of a deep.

• 52:10Speaker 07

  What are you trying to say?

• 52:11Speaker 06

  Well, what I'm trying to say is, like, Chris Martin's quite a laugh, from what I can tell, but he's quite sad in his songs or whatever. Is there a lot of people that do sad music, but they're actually quite a laugh? Is that?

• 52:22Speaker 07

  In my experience, hundred percent.

• 52:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 52:25Speaker 03

  Louis C. Paudy's a good example.

• 52:26Speaker 06

  Louis C. Paudy's a good example.

• 52:27Speaker 07

  Perfect example. Actually, I always find some, it's the same thing, the ones that are making all the jolly sort of stuff like that, there's a darkness to them that you hear.

• 52:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 52:34Speaker 07

  They obviously don't want you to see, they're hiding it in some way.

• 52:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 52:37Speaker 07

  Yeah, for me, it's always been a bit like that. I remember when I started out.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  Would you like to provide an example of that person?

• 52:45Speaker 07

  No, because I know them quite well. One of them I know quite well. No, I would never do that. But when I started out, for example, I used to, I mean, all the, the guy, some of the guys that I really admired, they were all very quiet and somber on stage. They wouldn't say much in between songs. And I remember when I started out, I used to sort of imitate that. It was actually my wife who was like, what the fuck is that? Like, that's not you.

• 53:05Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 53:06Speaker 07

  You're the guy who doesn't shut up and like, is loud, I can hear you laughing from four bars away, why aren't you doing that? And actually, once I got comfortable with just being that, I think the songwriting got better, funnily enough. Because I didn't have to sort of, I don't know, I was able to put it there and it didn't entirely define me, like, that's just a part of myself, it wasn't my everything.

• 53:26Speaker 06

  There isn't almost a shame with music. To being a laugh.

• 53:30Speaker 07

  Yeah, you gotta be cool.

• 53:31Speaker 06

  But like, do you like Seematt? Like she, Seematt is now, she had Harry Hill on stage when she did Alexandra Palace, she's really funny. She does, and it's the same with Lewis Capaldi. There's, there's totally this thing now where I think people are going, oh, I can be funny. And it doesn't undermine the music.

• 53:50Speaker 07

  I also think we know more about artists now. Like, I think back in the day, there wasn't that much known, but they were actually like that. Like Leonard Cohen was hilarious.

• 53:58Speaker 06

  Right.

• 53:58Speaker 07

  Leonard Cohen.

• 53:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, that's a perfect example, right?

• 54:01Speaker 07

  And like, I don't know if you've seen the documentary on him. It's fantastic. Like, he's very witty, very social. You never think that. You think this is what it is.

• 54:08Speaker 06

  David Bowie's really normal. Whenever you see David Bowie interviewed, you're like, oh, he's like a really normal bloke.

• 54:15Speaker 03

  They just dresses up and performed. I love his interviews when they're, they're, back in the day, they were trying to trip him up all the time because he was doing something so different.

• 54:22Speaker 07

  You must be weird or something.

• 54:23Speaker 03

  And he was so good at just going, no, I'm all right. No, what?

• 54:26Speaker 07

  Brilliant. I love Bowie. Big Bowie fan. But that, that, that's definitely, I think, something that now that we know more about those artists, even from that time.

• 54:33Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 54:34Speaker 07

  You don't have that weight of having to keep up appearances by being cool and quiet.

• 54:39Speaker 03

  Can I ask you about the Graham Norton Show?

• 54:41Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 54:41Speaker 03

  Because we did that together.

• 54:42Speaker 07

  Thank God you were there, man.

• 54:44Speaker 06

  Did you, did you think he had as bad a one as he worried he did?

• 54:47Speaker 07

  What do you mean?

• 54:47Speaker 03

  No, it's, it's too nice for that. He's trying to pretend I had a bad gig.

• 54:51Speaker 07

  No.

• 54:52Speaker 03

  And that was all right. No, but.

• 54:53Speaker 07

  It's like sitting next to a naughty school kid. Like, you kept making me laugh. Like, I was trying to be cool on that so far. I was like, okay, be cool.

• 54:59Speaker 03

  No, you were on.

• 55:01Speaker 07

  Taking a picture.

• 55:02Speaker 03

  Was it, so was it Chris Pratt, Cynthia Erivo, Dawn French, me, then you?

• 55:07Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 55:08Speaker 03

  Right.

• 55:08Speaker 07

  It's amazing. It's a classic dinner party. You would have met up anyway.

• 55:12Speaker 03

  Well, actually, it was my dream dinner guest party that I'd, I'd asked for the week before and it just happened. No, because as a comedian, like, you're on at the end to try and lighten the mood and be the bit of the joke when they've got their sort of like film stars, mega stars, come on. But it's weird though for the musicians because you're like not involved at all. Then you sing your, you know, you do your song and it's very hard to do those songs in a studio, studio audience with TV.

• 55:33Speaker 07

  Yeah, one, two, three.

• 55:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. And it's every single person I've seen ever do it. They're doing it and they're doing really well, but it's not like a normal gig. You're playing for the environment. And then you sort of have to do it twice. They make everyone do it twice. You do it once, do it another one for cameras or whatever. And then they go, right, welcome over, Jack Savaree. So we've been there for like two hours.

• 55:51Speaker 07

  It's like being late to a party where everyone's getting on.

• 55:53Speaker 03

  You're all out of breath because you've been performing. And you're also, and then you shuffle over, you're like, hello?

• 55:58Speaker 06

  So what you thinking about when you're stood backstage thinking fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck? As we all think, yeah. Are you thinking, yeah, yeah. Are you thinking fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, I've got to do the song in the studio? Or you thinking fuck, fuck, fuck, I've got to go and talk to them?

• 56:13Speaker 07

  No, no, the song is easy, like, not easy. It's not easy, don't get me wrong. But you hope, it is what it is. You can't go back now, that is what it is. It's the like, please say something a little bit interesting.

• 56:24Speaker 06

  That's hanging over the song, that's hanging over the song.

• 56:26Speaker 07

  Also because some, you talk about, some guys are amazing at it. They'll come and they'll drop that bomb that they know will, you know, it'll do something.

• 56:33Speaker 06

  The viral or, you know, that's all they want.

• 56:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, but they're good at it.

• 56:37Speaker 06

  Can you say something that go viral?

• 56:38Speaker 07

  Exactly, that's what they kept.

• 56:39Speaker 06

  No, otherwise I'd be doing it all the time.

• 56:42Speaker 07

  But I've never had that until this time. They kept saying, just say something that maybe go viral.

• 56:46Speaker 06

  Oh, they actually said that to you?

• 56:47Speaker 07

  Yeah, twice before I went on, I was like.

• 56:49Speaker 06

  If I knew how to do that, I wouldn't have to be here.

• 56:52Speaker 07

  A hundred percent.

• 56:53Speaker 06

  So I did Claudia recently, Claudia Winkle's show, and the American person who is always depends on.

• 56:59Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 56:59Speaker 06

  Who was the guy from Schitt's Creek, who is called.

• 57:02Speaker 07

  Oh, I saw this about Mr Blob.

• 57:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, he was such a laugh. Yeah, he's great. Everyone's like, ah.

• 57:09Speaker 07

  Hundred percent.

• 57:09Speaker 06

  Ah, just relax.

• 57:11Speaker 07

  But I think the best thing to do on those shows is to just have a laugh.

• 57:15Speaker 06

  Of course.

• 57:16Speaker 07

  To try not to, I'm, I'm, I think when I was really young and I went on them, I would try to be very serious and whatever.

• 57:21Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 57:22Speaker 07

  And nothing comes, like, you sort of just disappear.

• 57:23Speaker 06

  No one wants you to be serious.

• 57:25Speaker 07

  No one wants really, yeah, it doesn't really work.

• 57:26Speaker 06

  I once sat through an incredibly long chat about Shakespeare and I thought, no one's getting anything out of this.

• 57:39Speaker 01

  Ugh, I hate Mondays.

• 57:41Speaker 02

  King's Hawaiian cinnamon swirl bite?

• 57:42Speaker 01

  Uh, Taylor Hanson? Sure, I'll try one.

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 57:48Speaker 03

  Hey, let's get back to work, please.

• 57:49Speaker 01

  But Taylor Hanson's making my day way better with these new soft and swirly King's Hawaiian cinnamon bites.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  Taylor Hanson? Nice.

• 57:56Speaker 02

  Try one.

• 57:57Speaker 03

  Mmm.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  King's Hawaiian cinnamon bites. There's nothing like it.