Eli Manning, Ryen Russillo Talking CFB, Falcons Dominant MNF Win, Playoff Baseball And Listener Takes

Playoff Baseball is rocking and the Padres find a way to force Game 4 and the White Sox continue to be the funnest team in the playoffs. We talk Braves dropping Game 3, the Dodgers continually being clutch and the Yankees being a joke when the lights get bright (00:00:00-00:23:22). Lane Johnson retires from football and we talk about his incredible career (00:23:22-00:28:56). We then talk some MNF and the Falcons look really good while the Saints look broken (00:28:56-00:46:16). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including some NBA stories and coaches walking off at halftime (00:46:16-01:22:49). Eli Manning joins us in studio to talk ball, helping Arch navigate college, Jaxson Dart's injury, Hall of Fame and more (01:22:49-02:05:19). Ryen Russillo joins us in studio to talk CFB, which teams we trust through 5 weeks, the volatility of the NIL/Transfer portal era and a Sixers question from Max (02:05:19-03:02:31). We then finish with listener submitted Pardon Your Takes. You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or Netflix. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take https://barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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  Welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, October 7th. And boys, playoff baseball, we are balls deep in playoff baseball. It has been a hell of, oh Hank, you're faster than me. Was that strikeout? You're faster than me. You're way faster than me. We're watching the end, the last two outs of the Padres Brewers game.

• 3:02Speaker 02

  It's not a strikeout, that was a walk.

• 3:04Speaker 00

  It was a walk Hank. Why did you strike out?

• 3:07Speaker 03

  Cause I wanted it.

• 3:08Speaker 02

  No faces, no faces Hank, promise.

• 3:11Speaker 00

  Cause you wanted it.

• 3:12Speaker 03

  It was close.

• 3:14Speaker 00

  Oh, this might not be the last inning. We're going to get to this game after it finishes. It's been a hell of a series, like one of just peak, peak playoff baseball between the Padres and Brewers. Unbelievable games. And as we're sitting here in the top of the ninth with two on, one out, Mason Miller having a baby today was probably bad timing.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is why like you gotta have better awareness than that. If you're, if you're a high leverage closer and you have aspirations to play in October, no sex, or at least pull out in January.

• 3:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:49Speaker 02

  It's not that hard. Not that hard, guys. It's, it's, it's simple math. Use your calendar. Every manager that's worth a salt should have a presentation. Send it out. It could be an email. Send it out to the guys. Hey, feel free. You can raw dog now, you know, once February 15th comes around. But um, yeah, this was a, it was, it was kind of always a possibility that it could happen.

• 4:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:11Speaker 02

  And I, I understand it's his first kid. So it makes, makes a lot of sense in that circumstance, but man, they'd probably like to have him right now.

• 4:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, listen, I, you don't want to miss the, the birth of your child. He also, there is the possibility, like the, you know, isn't being talked about. There's a chance, oh, and the Padres win. There we go.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 4:33Speaker 00

  I'm ahead of you. Sorry.

• 4:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:35Speaker 00

  Shoot, shoot, my bad. Double play. That's my bad.

• 4:40Speaker 03

  That was crazy out there after that accusation.

• 4:42Speaker 00

  I thought you were ahead of me. You did strikeout before me. Either way, the Padres win. That's good.

• 4:47Speaker 03

  Wins a win.

• 4:48Speaker 00

  That's good. Wins a win. Mason Miller, I actually don't know if he would have pitched tonight. Anyway, he pitched 40 pitches two days ago, and that was a lot of pitches. He pitched multiple innings. So maybe that was a thought process that he's like, hey, I don't have it in my arm tonight. So I, also my baby's being born. And, and if you put me on paternity leave, you can call up another player. You can put another pitcher on the roster. Cause I think the Padres were the only team to have 11 pitchers out of all the postseason teams. So that was probably it.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  Literally means, it means dad.

• 5:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  Spanish.

• 5:20Speaker 00

  But what a series. I mean, this has been like punch, counter punch. The Brewers, like I've watched a lot of Brewer baseball this year because the Cubs obviously play them a ton. They're so relentless and they just always put pressure on you. And it's like, even like that, that short fly ball where, where he tagged up and went home and like the bunts. And it's just there, you're never like the Brewers are never out of it. And they just constantly are putting pressure on you. Credit to the Padres though, for winning this game and forcing a game four.

• 5:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was, um, there was a great moment earlier in the game. Did you see when, when Merrill made that catch in centerfield as the, as the manager was being interviewed?

• 5:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  And he was like, God damn it. Like, uh, that, that's by far the best manager interview that I've, that I've ever seen. Getting that reaction live was, was pretty cool. But yeah, the Brewers, they, they are just clutch as shit. They, they know how to get things done. Like, uh, Churio is a guy that you can never feel comfortable with if he's up at the plate. And honestly, Yelich having a great series, Hank, apologize.

• 6:22Speaker 00

  Hank, we, we bet the Padres tonight. You're, you're potted up. We won the bet. So we can now laugh at the fact that we talked about Christian Yelich not having an RBI since 2018, and then he had a very clutch one tonight.

• 6:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I'm, if anyone's going to get an RBI on the Brewers, I'm happy. It's Christian Yelich. I'm happy that, you know, and once again, I can help the team. I root for, I like, I'm like you guys, I root for the friends of this show.

• 6:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, always.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  That's fair.

• 6:49Speaker 03

  And if that's wrong, I don't want to be right.

• 6:50Speaker 00

  You're right. Hand up. You're right. Uh, okay. So that series is going for tomorrow. We have all four games, which is going to be awesome. Do you want to talk Braves Dodgers? Braves Dodgers. Uh, I have a question for you, Max, as a, as a seam head. You ready for it?

• 7:06Speaker 04

  Is it about Freddie Freeman?

• 7:08Speaker 00

  No, I was gonna say, was it? And this is maybe think like, I don't know how managers, you, you probably just have to win the game ahead of you. Was it a mistake to throw Chris Sale today?

• 7:21Speaker 04

  I don't know what they're doing with Chris Sale. Like, I get you have to, every manager kind of takes it like, you gotta win, you gotta win this game. You gotta win this game right now. You gotta, but to get to the next round, you're going to need Chris Sale at full strength. And they're just kind of using Chris Sale all the time now.

• 7:39Speaker 00

  Right. And so the thought process, yeah, the thought process is, so Chris Sale threw uh, game one against the Phillies on Tuesday. Then he threw, I think 20 pitches, 21 pitches on Thursday, which yes, that's a bullpen day, but still there, it has to be, it has to be more taxing to be in the live action in a playoff game. So technically, if you want to go off that, he's short rest. He didn't throw obviously a full start on Thursday, but he's short rest today. He's also going up against Yamamoto, who is like the best pitcher in the world on the road. So you need Chris Sale to be like perfect to have a chance to beat Yamamoto. Would it not have been smarter to be like, hey, we're probably not going to win this game. We're going to try to win this game, obviously, but we're

• 8:23Speaker 00

  going to then save Chris Sale for a must win on Wednesday if we don't win Tuesday. Now they burned Chris Sale and oh yeah, the Dodgers have glass now going.

• 8:33Speaker 04

  I don't know. I mean, the Dodgers have everyone. The Dodgers like there's they have everyone. There's no matchup that is like a beneficial matchup to anyone. I guess Chris Sale against Snell. I would like sale. I would like sale in that situation, but like it's it's hard when you're going up against a roster that has all aces everywhere up and down the board.

• 8:56Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I mean, it's not like Chris Sale had a bad outing today. Chris Sale, he pitched pretty well. He gave up two home runs, but overall he was, he was pretty good.

• 9:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, he was pretty good. It's just like, you know, you're going up against Yamamoto and you're gonna have to like giving up, you know, three runs is probably not going to cut it. And he only went five innings. Like he was, it was a hard five innings that he had to go. Like it wasn't like he was, you know, dialed perfect. You know, he, he wasn't peak Chris Sale today and Yamamoto is just such a fucking beast that it's, I don't know. It's probably overthinking it. You probably have to throw him when you can. I just know that between the Thursday to Tuesday, it's like, wouldn't you want him to have the full rest? And get the best Chris Sale? That's, I don't know. And, and also the Dodgers, like you said, Max, like they have everyone. And then they also have like Kike Hernandez.

• 9:49Speaker 00

  He is the best postseason player ever. He has 17 home runs in the postseason. I think he's tied like all these legends. He, it's crazy. Every postseason, I was looking it up. His batting average is like 50 points higher in the postseason. He just, no matter what, he just gets a big home run. He just gets a big hit. So the Dodgers are already a super team and then they have Kike Hernandez, who's like the best player ever in the playoffs.

• 10:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think to, to your point about the, the rotation thing, I feel like the Braves psychologically, they just, they really, really wanted to take a lead in the series and then they can figure it out from there. I think they just really wanted to, to be up and, and that's why they kind of threw out there. But yeah, you're right. Kike Hernandez, he's always hitting some Freddie Freeman, always doing something. They just, it's impossible. They're impossible to beat.

• 10:40Speaker 00

  They have the perfect combination. Yeah.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Outstanding starting pitching and, and a shutdown closer. And then maybe you have a chance in, in terms of like fluking your way into three wins against.

• 10:53Speaker 00

  And, and the Dodgers have all the best players and then they all have all the clutch players.

• 10:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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  It's, it's great. And Yamamoto, like Yamamoto is such a fucking beast. He had 10 strikeouts on the road. I mean, I, it's, we, we were talking about, I can't remember where we were talking about it. Cause we were, I was wondering out loud, like, oh, Yamamoto's not pitching game two. I think it was Meek Phil was like, yeah, he's got like a three ERA in Dodger Stadium and like a one ERA on the road. That is anyone else's ace pitcher. And they're like, yeah, we're gonna actually just wait and start him on the road because we know he'll just be awesome. It's crazy.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, it was, um, they had to play a perfect game and they didn't. The Braves also, I'm sure Braves fans, they might agree with me on this one. You should always wear the white jerseys at home. The Braves white, white home jerseys are probably, I think they're my favorite uniform in baseball. They're perfect. It doesn't get any better than that. It's so clean, classic. Don't bring the red stuff out here. Um, also they're probably pretty pissed off at Ronald Acuna. Because he hasn't really done anything in the postseason since 2020.

• 12:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:09Speaker 02

  Supposed to be like, wait, with their most feared bat, supposed to be a superstar. His last RBI came in 2020 in the postseason.

• 12:17Speaker 00

  Now we gotta bet him to hit an RBI tomorrow.

• 12:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's true. But I mean, it's true. So, uh, 2022, four games, no RBIs, 2023, four games, no RBIs, 2026, six games so far, no RBIs.

• 12:31Speaker 00

  He's gotta get it. He's gotta get an RBI. That's also about the guys in front of you. Yeah.

• 12:37Speaker 02

  So, yeah, good point. Good point, the cats.

• 12:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. Um, all right. Well, let's talk about the funnest team in playoff baseball. It's Chicago White Sox. It's, it's crazy. They go up 2-0 on Monday. I mean, Sean Burke was lights out. That was, that had to be so demoralizing for Cleveland Guardians fans because Gavin Williams was pitching like an absolute gem. He had 11 strikeouts. I think that's the most strikeouts of any pitcher in the postseason thus far. And Sean Burke, like it wasn't, you can't even call it like in relief because he pitched basically an entire game and he was so fucking good. And the White Sox just keep getting the big moment, the big hit.

• 13:21Speaker 00

  There, I saw a quote, I think it was from, from Mike Vassal, who's, who's a good guy. He came in the office a couple of weeks ago. He's like, yeah, we're just a team of like best friends. He's like, you make friends along the way. We just all ended up on the same team and that's how they play. They play like just unafraid baseball. And the Guardians, I like, Rate Field is going to be on fire on Wednesday. I, I, I know I'm, I'm not trying to do any jinx. I do think that this series is over because I think the White Sox are just playing. It's such a hot level and they just have the momentum and that counts for something in October.

• 13:56Speaker 02

  And, and the Guardians are the polar opposite of that. It feels like they've been a big bummer.

• 14:01Speaker 00

  They're, so the Guardians stat, since the Guardians, uh, when they were the Indians, were up 3-1 on the Cubs in the 2016 World Series. They're 11 and 24 in their last 35 playoff games, 11 and 24. They make it basically every single year and they're just, that's essentially the ceiling for this team.

• 14:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, they've got, I mean, you look, you look at a lineup like the Dodgers and then you look at the Guardians lineup and you're like, wait, wait a second. Outside of DeLauder.

• 14:31Speaker 00

  No one.

• 14:32Speaker 02

  Like, yeah.

• 14:34Speaker 00

  No one scares you. Not a single person scares you.

• 14:38Speaker 02

  And the, the only time that they've had success, they got shut down by White Sox Dave.

• 14:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:44Speaker 02

  White Sox Dave noticed them too. Is that, is that true that White Sox Dave noticed that the, uh, the Guardians were, were picking up on tipped pitches?

• 14:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:56Speaker 02

  And White Sox Dave made a call to people on the White Sox was like, hey, heads up, they've got you. Shut this down.

• 15:01Speaker 00

  So, so he told the story on the stretch, which is a, a Chicago podcast I do with Eddie Chief and White Sox Dave. Uh, on Saturday, he was noticing that they were tipping pitches and he has a bunch of guys' numbers. And, uh, he texted them all and was like, hey, you gotta make sure you check this out. And they were like, I think they were like, yeah, we just saw it, but like still, he got in contact with guys who weren't playing and they read the text immediately. And so, yeah, White Sox Dave, he's basically, he deserves a ring if the White Sox win the World Series.

• 15:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. Or at least like free admission to heaven from the Pope. Get, get a bless. Yeah. Get a blessing from the Pope. No, that's honestly like great job by White Sox Dave to do that. And I, I saw his response to it. He's like acting humble about it. Yeah. He was like, yeah, you know, uh, they were probably working on it too, but I'm just doing my part as a fan. And if that were me, I can assure you, I would not be as humble as White Sox Dave is being.

• 15:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's no way the Pope's throwing out the first pitch, right?

• 16:01Speaker 02

  No, because like, what if he bounces it?

• 16:02Speaker 00

  Well, they, so there's alleged to be like a big time first pitch thrower, uh, at Rate Field. Cusack would drive White Sox Dave crazy. I think it's probably gonna be like Paul Canarco. I don't know, but it's.

• 16:16Speaker 02

  No, it can't, it can't be the Pope. Like if honestly, if he like, if he bounces it, that pretty much ruins the entire thesis behind Catholicism.

• 16:24Speaker 00

  He, he also, the Pope, and it's like no offense to, to where we are at in the playoffs. The Pope, the Pope's not an ALDS guy. He's a World Series guy. He's gotta be a World Series guy. You can't like, I know that it's like, oh, well, they might not get there. You might not, you just gotta wait. You just gotta wait. The Pope has to wait for the World Series, then he can throw out the first pitch.

• 16:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's insulting to bring him out against the Guardians for, for game three.

• 16:49Speaker 00

  Right.

• 16:49Speaker 02

  Uh, I think you can use him in the World Series.

• 16:52Speaker 00

  Honestly, the Pope could probably, yeah, the White Sox like three innings against the Guardians tomorrow. It would be no problem.

• 16:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. Or, or I was gonna say opening day too. You could use the Pope, opening day, opening day.

• 17:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, that could work. Uh, and then the last one, Hank, how much are you enjoying the Yankees demise? Because oh my God, it's a comical demise. They are through two games at the trop. They're hitting point oh eight six as a batting average. And on Tuesday nights, they got one hit in game one. And then in game two, they had more errors than hits. And if it weren't for Ben Rice, it would be just the most pathetic like offensive showing of all time.

• 17:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, that, that second inning was like a legitimate like comedy of errors. Like just, I was, I was sitting on my couch laughing. I, Cam Schindler, I don't know what, why, why he's so dominant against the Red Sox. I was coming out and just expecting him to go like seven or eight innings, scoreless, one or two hits and.

• 17:53Speaker 04

  Well, he was dominant all year.

• 17:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:55Speaker 04

  He's a Cy Young.

• 17:56Speaker 00

  Cy Young.

• 17:57Speaker 04

  But you were like, I don't know why he's so dominant against the Red Sox.

• 18:01Speaker 00

  But he wasn't good.

• 18:02Speaker 04

  He was correct.

• 18:03Speaker 00

  He wasn't good on game two. Obviously, there's errors, but he had two strikeouts. Like, that's not Cam Schlittler.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  This happened, this happened last year in the playoffs, too.

• 18:11Speaker 04

  But he's, but last year, he was a rookie. Like, you can't just be like, Cam Schlittler.

• 18:16Speaker 03

  He dominated the Red Sox, and then the next series, he just kind of, it's not, it's not the same guy.

• 18:21Speaker 02

  He's a Red Sox merchant.

• 18:23Speaker 04

  I don't think Cam Schlittler was that bad, and I think that's crazy to say, like.

• 18:27Speaker 03

  He wasn't Cam Schlittler. He got pulled in the fifth inning. Like, he would, like, I was expecting.

• 18:31Speaker 04

  His defense was horrendous.

• 18:33Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 18:35Speaker 03

  But then he threw his, he threw his team under the bus. That was also, that was sad to see.

• 18:39Speaker 04

  That is bullshit. That is bullshit.

• 18:41Speaker 00

  What was the quote?

• 18:42Speaker 04

  That's you being salty, that's you being salty that he's a masked guy and he's, and he's a Yankees fan.

• 18:46Speaker 00

  No shit.

• 18:47Speaker 04

  He's, like, like, you can't just be like, Cam Schlittler's bad.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can.

• 18:52Speaker 00

  He can say whatever he wants.

• 18:56Speaker 04

  I don't understand why he's good, only good against the Red Sox.

• 18:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's exactly what Hank should say.

• 19:01Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no, no. That's all I said. I just, he was so.

• 19:03Speaker 04

  I think you should say that.

• 19:04Speaker 03

  Shit the bed.

• 19:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:06Speaker 02

  You should, you should be like, fucking Schlittler kid.

• 19:09Speaker 00

  He slit the bed. He, he, he wasn't dominant. Max, they needed him to be dominant. He wasn't dominant.

• 19:17Speaker 04

  I don't, yeah, he wasn't dominant. You gotta expect your, your defense to pick you up a little bit.

• 19:24Speaker 00

  I agree with that. What, I mean, also, they can't handle. Yeah, they can't handle, they, they can't do anything. The Yankees are, the Yankees are built, I feel like they have the greatest dynasty of being the second best team now. Every year, they're in the playoffs, and every year, they're like, good to win a series and then just fall apart. And, and the Yankees fans in our office, Wyatt, who's a psycho Yankees fan, he, I, I think I'm gonna bet the Yankees game three. Cause he said that what, what's gonna happen is the Yankees are gonna win game three like 10 to nothing. And you're, they're gonna get everyone's hopes up again, and then the Rays are gonna shove it down their throat in game four.

• 20:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, they don't really get swept.

• 20:06Speaker 00

  Right, right.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  Like, they're, they're always, they always have one game where the lineup puts it together. And you're like, okay, well, the Yankees might be back, and if the bats wake up, then nobody can beat them. But then they find a way. What inning was that against the Dodgers? The best inning of all time?

• 20:22Speaker 00

  I think it was like the fourth or fifth inning. That was so funny.

• 20:25Speaker 02

  They were gonna win that game. I think they were up like five runs, and then just they forgot how to play. How much blame is being put on the Tampa Bay field? Is anybody out there blaming the?

• 20:35Speaker 00

  The rings? Are you talking about the rings?

• 20:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, the rings, the, um, the, the roof as well.

• 20:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, no, the rings on the roof. That's the, there's different rings where you hit it. Yeah.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, the catwalk, and then also just the turf there. I've heard, I've heard some discussion about the turf not being fair, not being true bounces.

• 20:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's, uh, it's not a.

• 20:58Speaker 03

  They use, they use like sand.

• 21:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's not a good place.

• 21:02Speaker 03

  They use like, they use like coconuts in the grass.

• 21:05Speaker 00

  And it's, it's crazy to watch.

• 21:07Speaker 03

  I'm not kidding.

• 21:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, I know.

• 21:09Speaker 02

  No, I know you're not.

• 21:10Speaker 00

  But it's, it's nuts watching like the Padres crowd, what the White Sox crowd is gonna be, and then watching a game in basically a warehouse. They're like.

• 21:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:21Speaker 00

  Like, okay, we're in someone's, we're in someone's very big garage. And oh shit, we have to have rules that if you hit the ceiling, there's, there's different rules for where you hit on the ceiling.

• 21:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, if it hits the railing, uh, then ground will double. By the way, I went back, I watched that, that Ty France fly ball again. I think it was a home run.

• 21:43Speaker 00

  You think so? You think the Padres should maybe be up 2-1?

• 21:48Speaker 02

  I do. I think that that was probably, no, they should because they, that's not the rule. Uh, but I think it was going out. If that roof wasn't there.

• 21:56Speaker 00

  Um, Zach, what do you have to say for yourself for Tampa Stadium? You're so, you're so crisp right now. It's fucking insane. I, I know we've said this before, but you look like you're in like a VR porno right now.

• 22:13Speaker 05

  Just don't, you just can't skip to the middle. You gotta let it play through.

• 22:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:17Speaker 05

  Uh, look, the, the, both teams are playing in the same, on the same field, you know what I mean? So I don't, I don't think there could be too much cope there.

• 22:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's true. And then we're gonna go to Yankee Stadium where the, you know, the right field is, is like 250 feet.

• 22:32Speaker 05

  It's a little leak field on the right side.

• 22:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:35Speaker 05

  All places have their, their downfalls, for sure.

• 22:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:40Speaker 00

  PFT's got a question for Zach.

• 22:41Speaker 05

  Possibly get to.

• 22:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  PFT from Part My Take Sports Podcast. A quick change of pace with this line of questioning, but were you able to see, um, two of the best soccer players in the world? And how they spent their respective days?

• 22:57Speaker 05

  How did they spend their respective days?

• 22:58Speaker 02

  So it was Messi's last game that he's ever gonna play for Argentina. He scored one goal and he had two assists. And then Ronaldo, um, didn't get into the game, and then he threatened to leave the national team. Because his coach did not issue an apology publicly for not playing him. Um, would you care to comment on who you think had the better day?

• 23:18Speaker 05

  I'd say, uh, the latter part of that is pretty understandable. You gotta know what you got as a coach. You have to know who needs to be on the pitch. Uh, so for Ronaldo's sake, yeah, you gotta know what you got, Ronaldo. You gotta put him in the game. Of Messi's side, good run, great run. Some guys have a little better longevity. And when it comes to international play, so sad to see Messi go, but good news, there's a couple of greats still gonna be in there.

• 23:40Speaker 02

  There was a, there was allegedly an eight-point letter that the, the coach was supposed to read. Absolving Ronaldo of, uh, being a baby for crying about not getting into the game. And he elected to not read the agreed-upon eight-point letter, and now Ronaldo's left the team.

• 23:59Speaker 02

  Still thinking about coming back if he gets that public apology.

• 24:02Speaker 05

  I think it's only fair.

• 24:07Speaker 00

  Oh, man. Uh, all right, last story before we kick it to ourselves. We got a lot of show coming up. Back in studio, Lane Johnson retires. Max, uh, instant Hall of Famer. We've had him on the show a couple of times. He's a great, great dude. Uh, one of those guys that like, you hear all the stories, like, I actually think the outpouring of love for him just shows how great of not only a player, but guy he is. Because in most circumstances, if a player retires mid-season, there'd be like fan anger, and there was none of that. There was just, uh, like, outpouring of love for Lane Johnson and what he's done for the Philadelphia Eagles.

• 24:46Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, Lane Johnson's an all-time great. He's been in the organization for, I think, 14 years now. He's won two Super Bowls. Uh, he went to a third. Uh, he's been the leader of this team for a really long time. Um, it's sad, it's sad to see him go. Um, I hope he's doing all right. I, he did talk about mental health. Decent amount in his, uh, good, his retirement post. Um, the Eagles will miss him, but he, you know, he doesn't deserve any, like, he doesn't have to give any explanation to anyone. Like, when he, since he felt it was time to go, like, he has every right to do whatever he wants. Like, he's given everything to the Eagles organization.

• 25:31Speaker 04

  And that's it. Like, he's the best. We'll miss him.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's, he's one of the best, like, of all time.

• 25:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  And that's not an exaggeration, like.

• 25:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, redefine the, the, the position he plays.

• 25:44Speaker 02

  Athletic freak. Also, just like, played with a mean streak. Big, strong, tough, fast, smart. And if you look at the stats of, of the percentage of, um, you know, the, the winning percentage for the Eagles when he's on the field versus when he wasn't on the field. It's actually shocking to see that for one offensive lineman. What a big impact they made. But yeah, Max, you're right. I hope he's doing okay. Because, uh, like, he's, he's gone through it before, and, um, obviously, he's going through something right now. So just like as a, as a human, I hope that he's good, and, uh, I hope he's making the right choice for himself.

• 26:20Speaker 00

  And, and that's part of the Lane Johnson story, too, because he's been very open about mental health, which is a hard thing to do, is like, the big, strong right tackle who just malls people in an NFL locker room. And you've heard quotes from the Eagles in the past being like, yeah, Lane Johnson made it okay for us to like, check in on each other and talk about things and what we're going through. So I think that's really important, and he's just, yeah, I mean, first ballot Hall of Famer, one of the best to ever do it. The stat you were referring to, PFT, he was, uh, since 2013 when he got drafted, the Eagles are 122 and 63 when Lane Johnson started, and 18 and 30 when he did not. And I also saw the stat in his 30s. So he turned 30 in 2020.

• 27:05Speaker 00

  Lane Johnson gave up four sacks total, four sacks total. That's including, uh, five years since he turned 30 where he gave up zero sacks. Uh, 2,485 pass blocking snaps, four sacks. It's, essentially was a cheat code for the Eagles for the last decade plus, where it's like, we don't, we can just put him on an island, and we don't have to worry about that entire side of the field, and that's how like special of a player he was.

• 27:34Speaker 02

  Here, here's another crazy stat. Uh, with Lane Johnson on the field, the Eagles have had a QBR of 62.5. That's third best in the NFL. Without Lane Johnson on the field, it's 46.8, which is 29th.

• 27:50Speaker 00

  It's crazy. It's crazy. And we'll talk more about what it means for the Eagles overall when we do our picks and preview on Friday. Uh, but it, like, you know, it's not, he, he deserves to be, uh, celebrated, not be like, what does this mean for the Eagles going forward? So we'll do that Friday. But yeah, Lane Johnson, uh, Hall of Famer, awesome guy. Uh, before we get to ourselves, kick it to ourselves, do you guys want to do? Uh, let me do a quick, uh, DK read. Do you wanna guess what the current odds are for the uh, World Series? Cause I was looking at it today. I gotta say, I was pretty upset at myself. The Dodgers were plus 260 going into today. What do you think they are now?

• 28:36Speaker 02

  Um, plus one.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  Eighty.

• 28:41Speaker 00

  They're plus one fifty. It went all the way down to plus one fifty. That was a stupid. Looking at it, dumb, dumb, dumb, Dan. Like.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  I parlayed them about a month ago with the Rams.

• 28:54Speaker 00

  White Sox down to plus eight hundred. So they're, they're the fourth. I mean.

• 29:00Speaker 02

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• 29:01Speaker 00

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• 29:05Speaker 02

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• 30:17Speaker 00

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• 31:39Speaker 02

  Dirty Birds.

• 31:40Speaker 00

  Forty-five, twenty-four. That was an offensive explosion. Back-to-back primetime games where the Atlanta Falcons have had offensive explosions. I saw the stat in weeks one through, one and two, the Falcons' offense was thirty-second in points per game, thirty-first in yards per play, thirty-second in red zone drives, twenty-seventh in plays of twenty-plus yards. Since Michael Pennix has come back, in those categories, they're first, first, second, and second.

• 32:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, a big difference between Cooper Rush.

• 32:10Speaker 00

  Big. Hank, would you like to say that maybe you were wrong on your Cooper Rush take?

• 32:16Speaker 00

  Now that you see the Falcons' offense?

• 32:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think it's probably fair.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  I'm glad that Michael Pennix looks healthy because the offense is fun. They got so much talent on, on that offense.

• 32:25Speaker 00

  Bijan.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Bijan is amazing. Both B. Robinson, so justice for everybody that accidentally drafted Brian Robinson.

• 32:33Speaker 00

  Or bet him, yeah, being like, oh, my gosh, Bijan is plus six hundred to score a touchdown.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, so justice for both those guys. That was a, that was a great performance in what we've all thought would be a pretty emotional night in the Dome.

• 32:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  The Dome coming, Dome sweet Dome.

• 32:49Speaker 00

  There was emotion to start the game, but the Falcons basically sucked that out of the dome.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:55Speaker 00

  Like, they were up so fast and it was such a kind of ass-kicking. Yeah, there was, their only chance the Saints had was at the end of the first half when they had a possible chance of doubling up when it was, I think, twenty-four, seven, and you're like, okay, they could, they score touchdown, touchdown. It's twenty-four, twenty-one. Nope.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:12Speaker 00

  Close.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  So, yeah, yeah, Bijan was absolutely incredible. Everything was working for them on offense. And I, I saw this stat that Michael Pennix and Drake London have the most yards per game for any quarterback, wide receiver, teammate duo since two thousand twenty-four.

• 33:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, Drake London's a true number one with Michael Pennix out there.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  Or a hundred and two point six yards per game between the two of them.

• 33:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:35Speaker 02

  It's like legitimate threat in the passing game. I mean, the Falcons have always been, they've, they've had a lot of talent. Stefanski's a great coach. They just need a guy to be a slightly above-average quarterback in Pennix, and that's what they got last night. And if that continues, then they're gonna be, they're gonna be right up there for the division at the end of the season.

• 33:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, I mean, it's, and not only that, but the NFC South with the Panthers and Falcons, whether, like, if you're a believer of the NFC South in its totality sucks, I'm not gonna, like, push back. But the Panthers and Falcons are fun teams and they, they have chances to be good. Like, and I was, I was thinking about it. With the way that the NFC is looking right now, because AFC's stacked, the AFC is absolutely stacked, trying to find your seven playoff teams. Like, you could make a case for a lot of teams, like even the Texans, you're like, they might be heard from. The NFC feels a lot more wide open, where to fall off of, like, the Eagles, we'll see what happens with the Packers. They haven't looked great.

• 34:35Speaker 00

  You got the three teams in the West, but there could be, you know, like, there could be two teams from the South. There could be two teams from the East. There's, it just feels a lot more wide open after you account for the three awesome teams in the West.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  Because even, even the Lions, I thought that they were gonna be a Super Bowl team this year. Their defense does not look anywhere close to being ready for that.

• 34:54Speaker 00

  Doo-doo PP.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  They should be taken, I'm gonna remove them from my personal Super Bowl conversation.

• 34:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, they got a doo-doo PP defense.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  They can work their way back from doo-doo PP, but as of right now, they're, no, I'm not gonna say the word Super Bowl with them.

• 35:07Speaker 00

  No.

• 35:08Speaker 02

  The Vikings, great defense, offense, I'm, I'm thinking will probably get better as the season goes on.

• 35:13Speaker 00

  Maybe not.

• 35:14Speaker 02

  But I don't know that the defense is gonna be able to sustain what they've done for the entire season. So they'll probably regress a little bit on that end. So I'm not ready to have that conversation with them. So, yeah, I think, I think the Falcons, there's a chance that the NFC South does get two teams.

• 35:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's right. The, the whole point is basically like, we always just are, are saying, oh, yeah, the NFC South will have their one division winner. And why not? Like, the Panthers and Falcons have looked really good. And I, I, we'll see how the Falcons look on Sunday night against the Ravens and if Lamar plays or not. Because, and we'll talk about the Saints in a second, there's a chance the Saints and Packers are broken. But if, if, if the Falcons look great in that game as well, I, like, you just throw out the first two games. Like, they started Cooper Rush. That's not the same team. And I think, and we've always, we've, we've held firm in the Stephen, Kevin Stefanski stock. We've, we've held it for a very long time. We've had people be like, you guys are idiots.

• 36:07Speaker 00

  When the, the, the founding statement of the Kevin Stefanski Stakeholder Committee that we have been holding for a long time is that winning a playoff game in Cleveland is very much similar to winning a Super Bowl. If Kevin Stefanski had a Super Bowl, you'd be like, you'd give him more time. You should do that with his Browns playoff victory, even from his basement. Also, Tommy Reese, everyone's looking for the next hot coordinator.

• 36:33Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 36:33Speaker 00

  Small sample size, last two games. Gotta see how the rest of the season goes. But Tommy Reese will get, will, will get some buzz if they play like this. They, they were never stopped.

• 36:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was concerned of Tommy Reese's play calling with Cooper Rush.

• 36:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:46Speaker 02

  That, that's gonna stick with it. Also, remember that one year that he decided to go by Tom?

• 36:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:50Speaker 02

  Tom Reese, that was weird.

• 36:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, we hit that out.

• 36:52Speaker 02

  Maybe if he wants to be a head coach, I think he has to go back to Tom at some point.

• 36:55Speaker 00

  But he was doing, he was, he was pulling all the right strings last night. It felt like guys were open on every play. Bijan was being used perfectly. Like, that's a game where, you know, nineteen rushes for Bijan. I mean, he was so good. He's so fucking good.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  He's awesome in primetime, too. That's like, that's all he does, is score touchdowns in primetime.

• 37:14Speaker 00

  He's just so fast. All right, so the Saints, are we concerned about Hank's curse of the Saints?

• 37:20Speaker 02

  I forgot that Hank cursed him, his butt.

• 37:21Speaker 00

  They're oh and two at home since Hank farted in the Saints slash Pelicans facility.

• 37:29Speaker 03

  I don't, I wasn't at the Dome.

• 37:31Speaker 00

  Right, but it's their facility. That's where they practice.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  But it's also the Pelicans facility.

• 37:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. I'm gonna wait to see how the Pelicans start.

• 37:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:37Speaker 00

  See how the Pelicans. If the Pelicans don't make the playoffs, I think.

• 37:40Speaker 03

  Nah.

• 37:40Speaker 00

  Something's weird. Something smells. Pelicans might be, if the Pelicans are bad this year, that's your fault.

• 37:47Speaker 03

  No.

• 37:48Speaker 02

  Yes, it is.

• 37:48Speaker 03

  Disavow.

• 37:49Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 37:49Speaker 04

  What if they're good? Maybe the fart's what they needed to jumpstart that franchise.

• 37:53Speaker 03

  That's what you, you guys can't do both things. You guys are giving me credit for the fart for I'm trying. Jumpstarting the team.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  No, wake up call. It became, no, maybe it just became like Freaky Friday where the Saints lost all their momentum. The Pelicans gained it.

• 38:04Speaker 04

  Guys, guys fart.

• 38:05Speaker 02

  Because their facility is so close.

• 38:07Speaker 03

  Especially in a workout facility.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  Cause I think that the Saints probably smelled the fart too much.

• 38:11Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:12Speaker 02

  Because it was in their facility.

• 38:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:14Speaker 02

  But the Pelicans only got a whiff of it because it was just in the adjacent building.

• 38:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:19Speaker 03

  It did not smell. I, I, these are non-related things.

• 38:22Speaker 00

  Okay. Well, the Saints look terrible. Uh, I'm, I don't know what the fix is. They, Chuck was not great. We're Chuck guys. We're gonna stay firmly Chuck guys, but he was not great. I also think Kellen Moore didn't do him a lot of favors with the fact that it felt like every single play was just Chuck in shotgun and then a speed rush.

• 38:44Speaker 02

  Just getting teed off.

• 38:45Speaker 00

  Towards him. Like I was so sick of watching him in shotgun. I get it. Like they don't have an offensive line good enough for him to like, get him under center. Like they, they showed a stat halfway through the game where it's like, play action. He was nine for nine and everything else. I don't know.

• 38:58Speaker 02

  He was just getting buried and, and guys like Troy Aikman get all horned up when they see a, a quarterback get teed off on, get destroyed with rib shots and then stand up afterwards.

• 39:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:07Speaker 02

  And Troy was like, I'm, I really like what I'm seeing out of Chuck tonight. Just the fact that he was getting abused and, uh, and getting up without, without like pissing his pants. That went a long way in Troy Aikman's book.

• 39:18Speaker 00

  Also Troy Aikman, uh, a tell that was very interesting when he said that he talked to Brandon Staley. This was middle of the game. He's like, Brandon Staley doesn't have any answers for the Falcons offense. And I think he knew that when we talked to him.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:30Speaker 00

  He was saying. He just said it. He's like, yeah, he, the defensive coordinator knew they were fucked.

• 39:34Speaker 02

  They didn't have the guys.

• 39:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:35Speaker 02

  They didn't have the guys up front and Cam Jordan after the game had pretty much a similar statement where he was like, yeah, we, this is entirely on us. We, the defensive line, we gotta get better. We stunk tonight. Um, and I, I did see that this was actually, it's the, uh, the second Dome coming celebration that they've had.

• 39:52Speaker 00

  Did they do one for 10 years?

• 39:53Speaker 02

  They did one for 10 years and they got beaten down by almost the exact same score.

• 39:57Speaker 00

  I needed this, I needed this stat.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. The first Dome coming was bad. Second Dome coming was exactly the same as the first Dome coming.

• 40:03Speaker 00

  Because I thought for sure, I was like, you can't lose the Dome coming.

• 40:07Speaker 02

  You know what I think the problem was?

• 40:08Speaker 00

  Sounds like they have lost every Dome.

• 40:09Speaker 02

  They've lost the Dome coming. Uh, Eric Church at the Dome coming.

• 40:13Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:14Speaker 02

  Does he have any relationship whatsoever to the city of New Orleans?

• 40:17Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 40:17Speaker 02

  I don't think that he does. He's just what you get when you, when you type in, he was AI country music before AI existed. And to have him go out there and do the Saints are coming, that was a bad idea.

• 40:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:30Speaker 02

  Green Day doing that on the original Dome coming, 2006 was amazing. They should have brought Green Day back for that.

• 40:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. And it was, it was, uh, I mean, I, I agree with you. Eric Church, where's Eric Church?

• 40:42Speaker 02

  The guy's stick is he just wears sunglasses all the time. It's so fucking lame.

• 40:45Speaker 00

  That is lame. Eric Church.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  North Carolina.

• 40:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. Carolina, yeah. Eric Church, oh, he's coming to Chicago. Eric Church coming to the, oh, no, not till June. Soldier Field, damn. Eric Church got it like that?

• 40:58Speaker 03

  Fuck yeah.

• 40:59Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 40:59Speaker 02

  He might have some blue dot fever.

• 41:01Speaker 00

  I don't know. I don't know country, country music app.

• 41:04Speaker 03

  Springsteen.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  You better not have him in, at Soldier Field after seeing what he did to the Dome.

• 41:09Speaker 00

  That's true. Well, it's in June, so he's gonna probably just mess up the field.

• 41:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:13Speaker 00

  Like everyone else. Yeah. I don't know what to do if you're the Saints to think you might be bad. Think you might be bad. And now you gotta play for a team that has, uh, a bad defense, offensive line issues. You now have to face, uh, Brian Flores and the Vikings. And they couldn't run the ball. And I know that Achan is hurt, but they couldn't run the ball. And that was a big part of it too, where it's like they could, they felt like they had, it felt like the entire night for the Saints was third and seven shotgun.

• 41:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. They were, they were behind it the entire night.

• 41:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:45Speaker 02

  And they haven't been able to run the ball for a while. But, uh, yeah, the, I, I do think that the Falcons are for real. I said.

• 41:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:50Speaker 02

  In the off season, I like what they're doing. I like Stefanski. If Penix can get healthy, I, I really like the Falcons. And, um, I just wasn't, I wasn't sure that he was gonna be this healthy this quick. Uh, but if he can stay like it, yeah. He's, he's what that offense needs. He's, he's playing like the perfect quarterback for that team.

• 42:10Speaker 00

  All right, let's see Falcons' schedule coming up. They play the Ravens Sunday night football. They play the Bears.

• 42:14Speaker 02

  I like that Jesse Mentors getting like very, very well acquainted with the is Lamar injured conversation already.

• 42:20Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 42:20Speaker 02

  It was, it didn't even last five games.

• 42:22Speaker 00

  Yes. Oh, so the Falcons, they got some games coming up. They got the, the Ravens Sunday night, the Bears, the 49ers, the Bucks, the Bengals, the Chiefs. That ain't easy.

• 42:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 42:35Speaker 00

  But we'll find out.

• 42:36Speaker 02

  They're a good team. I'm telling you, the, the Falcons are, I'm, I'm putting them in my actually good category.

• 42:41Speaker 00

  Okay. I'd like to see them go against the Ravens defense. Uh, and then I'll, I'll absolutely put them in the actually good category. Okay. Any other thoughts from week four that we missed? I, the big story coming out of the weekend is just the flags. I saw the, the Warren Sharp had a, a stat that was essentially like, there's like 17 touchdowns that have been called back and there's a lot more flags than usual. I think we all kinda felt it.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  Well, this always happens in the first four weeks.

• 43:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:08Speaker 02

  It's like an outlier that the first four weeks have way more flags than the rest of the season. One, because the refs are trying to do their little like points of emphasis.

• 43:16Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:16Speaker 02

  And two, there's some sloppy play and like illegal shifts, illegal formations that get cleaned up. Um, they're, they have taken away a lot of touchdowns though. That part is like a legit outlier. That's why I think that having that guy, that ref cuss at McBride, the more I think about it, was that just like a setup to get us distracted and stop talking about the fact that the refs are calling back all these touchdowns?

• 43:39Speaker 00

  I did, on, on WUB today, I, I threw out the idea that we should have a, uh, just an official swear ref where anything can be said to them and they can say anything back to you and mic them up.

• 43:50Speaker 02

  So like a captain, like the refs have a captain.

• 43:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. It was just like, that's the guy.

• 43:53Speaker 02

  You're allowed to talk to the players.

• 43:54Speaker 00

  If you swear at a, a linesman, you're, you can get a flag, but you have to go up to the guy who's got a mic on and you swear at him, he could swear back at you. All's fair. And then we, I mean, do we not all tune into that episode every single week?

• 44:09Speaker 02

  I would watch it.

• 44:09Speaker 00

  Seeing what the guys say to each other?

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Like every, every ref should be mic'd up.

• 44:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  The body cam thing, I think that has.

• 44:14Speaker 00

  No, just the swear ref.

• 44:15Speaker 02

  Just swear ref.

• 44:16Speaker 00

  Mic'd up. And, and so you get a flag if you go swear at someone else.

• 44:19Speaker 02

  Or if you, um, the ref can swear at you, but he has to kiss you afterwards.

• 44:25Speaker 00

  Okay. Okay.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  I think that's fair.

• 44:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. Just a quick smooch.

• 44:30Speaker 02

  So they, did they suspend Jeff Seaman?

• 44:33Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  I think Jeff Seaman.

• 44:35Speaker 00

  Is that the guy who yelled at Trey McBride?

• 44:37Speaker 02

  That's the referee.

• 44:38Speaker 00

  Is it spelled, is it really spelled Seaman?

• 44:40Speaker 02

  Jeff Seaman.

• 44:41Speaker 00

  Is there an I in there?

• 44:42Speaker 02

  Mark Butterworth. The refs have the most hilarious names.

• 44:44Speaker 00

  Is there an I in there or is it just, just Jeff, straight up Jeff Seaman?

• 44:48Speaker 02

  I think it's.

• 44:48Speaker 00

  Oh, there's an A.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  Jeff Seaman, yeah.

• 44:51Speaker 00

  Oh, wait. Oh, no, no, there's two Es. Sorry. Jeff Seaman. Okay. So he's like a look at me guy.

• 44:58Speaker 02

  That's like Ellis Island said, we're gonna do your family a favor and we're gonna add an extra E in there.

• 45:02Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 45:03Speaker 02

  When we got there.

• 45:03Speaker 00

  This is gonna be a problem.

• 45:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:05Speaker 00

  All right. So Jeff Seaman.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  That'll, Jeff Seaman.

• 45:07Speaker 00

  Hilarious name. Uh, also, uh, one story, what's going on in Pittsburgh? So it seems like things might be bad because Mike McCarthy confirmed their, their, uh, issues with the locker room and that they need to clean their house up a bit. And they're doing like a self-reflection day. That seems bad. They need to clean their own houses first. The Joe, it feels like it's related to Joey Porter getting traded.

• 45:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. It also feels like things are kinda weird between him and Aaron, where we saw last week on Thursday night, the back and forth. And then I, I saw some of his press conference where he was like defending Aaron. He's like, you know, that's just sometimes how, uh, how guys talk to each other. He sounds, he sounds a little bit like a battered spouse.

• 45:54Speaker 00

  Yeah. Sounds like he thought it would be different this time around.

• 45:56Speaker 02

  Or he's like, that's, you know, you know, sometimes guys, a couple of alphas like me and Aaron, we butt heads, but that's just his way. And ultimately at the end of the day, we respect each other and he's a, he's a sweet guy. It's never gonna happen again.

• 46:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. I just, doesn't feel good in Pittsburgh. Anytime, it's week, it's week five and your coach is saying, we gotta clean house a little bit.

• 46:18Speaker 02

  Maybe that means like they, they have to, he has to start his own Minecraft world.

• 46:21Speaker 00

  Maybe. Yeah, it is true. Like Mike, Mike Tomlin's kinda stealing all the swag from Mike McCarthy.

• 46:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:27Speaker 00

  Big Mike. You don't think that Mike's got it in him to bench Aaron?

• 46:31Speaker 02

  No.

• 46:32Speaker 00

  No.

• 46:33Speaker 02

  Not even send a message?

• 46:35Speaker 00

  No, because you can't, I mean, you bench him, it's like, that's, you're retiring.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  Drew.

• 46:39Speaker 00

  That's why he came back.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  Six, three, two, forty-five.

• 46:42Speaker 00

  To get his revenge.

• 46:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:43Speaker 00

  To retire him once and for all.

• 46:45Speaker 02

  Dub, I would respect the hell out of that.

• 46:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, I would. If he came up to the press conferences, like, I, I, my one goal.

• 46:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:51Speaker 00

  When Aaron got me, ran me out of Green Bay, was to find him and retire him.

• 46:55Speaker 02

  Track him down. This is kind of Monte Cristo type shit.

• 46:57Speaker 00

  This is an awesome, we should write a script for this.

• 47:00Speaker 02

  Revenge is best served cold. Mike McCarthy.

• 47:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  Goes to Dallas, reads the writing on the wall, decides, you know what? I'm gonna get fired and I'm gonna spend the next year working behind the scenes to position myself. I'm gonna move back to Pittsburgh.

• 47:14Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  And gratiate myself into the local community and then persuade Aaron to come back for one more season while they hire me.

• 47:21Speaker 00

  Just to retire him.

• 47:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:22Speaker 00

  I like this.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  I would, I would love that.

• 47:24Speaker 00

  I'm in on this storyline. Mike McCarthy, do it.

• 47:27Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:27Speaker 00

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• 49:16Speaker 03

  Uh, my hot seat is NBA teams breaking the rules.

• 49:20Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 49:22Speaker 00

  What happened?

• 49:22Speaker 03

  Uh, first, the whiz. Bob Carrington just admitted to tanking.

• 49:27Speaker 00

  Oh shit.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  Wait, what?

• 49:29Speaker 00

  Shit.

• 49:30Speaker 03

  He just admitted, he admitted, he admitted in an interview that they were purposely trying to lose last year.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 49:36Speaker 03

  Hank. Is illegal.

• 49:37Speaker 04

  I think we have on record you telling Ryan Rusillo that he admitted to tanking.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  No, that's not at all what happened.

• 49:42Speaker 00

  We actually do have that.

• 49:43Speaker 04

  We have that on, on video.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  This is fake.

• 49:45Speaker 00

  We do, unfortunately.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 49:46Speaker 04

  Put that clip in here.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  You guys are doing fake news right now.

• 49:48Speaker 04

  Colton, right now, put that clip.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  You guys are all doing fake news. Basically admitted, we were trying to lose last year.

• 49:57Speaker 02

  Probably illegal, right? I asked Russillo if the NBA was gonna go after bub for saying that, because.

• 50:03Speaker 00

  Why would they go after him?

• 50:04Speaker 02

  Well, because in the, in the clip, it got cut off right before he said.

• 50:09Speaker 00

  Did you show the clip?

• 50:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, well.

• 50:10Speaker 00

  Carrington?

• 50:11Speaker 02

  We're gonna see the clip before it gets cut off. That's what I'm telling you.

• 50:13Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 50:14Speaker 02

  It's edited. Show the whole clip. Let's hear him.

• 50:19Speaker 00

  Let's see, let's hear out bub.

• 50:21Speaker 05

  Um, we just haven't been told yet to go be the best version of yourself.

• 50:27Speaker 02

  What do you mean you haven't been told that?

• 50:29Speaker 05

  Um, we're like, we've all in, in a way been held back just because, like you said, we were trying to get AJ to banst. As, that's no secret. That's no secret. So like, but now it's, no, no one has handcuffs. Everyone, Shaq was free. So that alone is already a conversation starter, but then you put that on top of the coaching, on top of the vets that we had. That's a playoff team and that's gonna happen.

• 50:57Speaker 04

  That seems like a pretty full clip to me.

• 50:58Speaker 02

  Play, no, after the camera cut off, first of all, this guy's a.

• 51:02Speaker 04

  After the camera cut off. He cut, I mean, he said that at like second twenty and then there's another sixteen seconds.

• 51:07Speaker 02

  What, what are you, what is this guy doing? Asking the follow up, what do you mean by that bub? You know what he meant by it. Let it go.

• 51:13Speaker 04

  Good journalism.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  He's trying to get him in trouble. Um, second thing is after the camera cuts off, he goes psych.

• 51:19Speaker 00

  Oh, he, oh, he, he crossed his fingers too?

• 51:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, fingers crossed behind the back and plus it was opposite day.

• 51:25Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 51:25Speaker 02

  Uh, all these things not included in that clip. So I was asking Russillo if the NBA was gonna go after the Wizards despite all these things. Uh, just because we saw that one clip that was selectively added. Also, this is way too much talk about the Wizards.

• 51:42Speaker 03

  All right. My other one was, was LeBron.

• 51:43Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 51:44Speaker 03

  Uh, circumventing the cap, him and Michael Rubin in cahoots. He'd signed the vet minimum, but then part of his deal with Fanatics, which is owned by former owner of the Sixers, who's still heavily involved. Michael Rubin is that he gets to use.

• 52:03Speaker 00

  He said heavily involved.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  I like these scare quotes.

• 52:05Speaker 03

  The helicopter unlimited, like as much as he wants.

• 52:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:08Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 52:09Speaker 02

  It is interesting.

• 52:10Speaker 04

  So he's not the owner of the Six, so just a Philadelphia businessman is allowing another Philadelphia businessman to create more.

• 52:18Speaker 02

  Hmm. What you're talking about right now is.

• 52:21Speaker 03

  Business for New York.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  Is verbatim, uh, uh, salary cap circumvention max.

• 52:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:26Speaker 04

  That's incorrect.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  You just said, so what you're telling me is a Philadelphia businessman, Josh Harris, is allowing.

• 52:31Speaker 04

  Not Josh Harris.

• 52:32Speaker 02

  Another Philadelphia businessman, Michael Rubin, to donate services to a player in exchange for employees from Philadelphia.

• 52:40Speaker 00

  That's illegal.

• 52:41Speaker 02

  Which, where, by the letter of the law is against the rules.

• 52:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:45Speaker 04

  What does Harris, Harris has nothing to do with this. This is Michael Rubin.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  Well, he's the owner.

• 52:51Speaker 04

  Right.

• 52:52Speaker 02

  Josh Harris.

• 52:53Speaker 04

  But it's Michael Rubin and LeBron.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  So, so this, this was just an understanding between the two of them.

• 53:00Speaker 00

  Just friends?

• 53:02Speaker 04

  No, they're probably doing business together.

• 53:03Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 53:04Speaker 04

  But Michael Rubin does not own the Sixers.

• 53:06Speaker 00

  I gotta.

• 53:06Speaker 04

  Anymore. Yeah, he does not own the Sixers.

• 53:09Speaker 00

  Are you taking any questions right now?

• 53:10Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 53:11Speaker 00

  Okay. Uh, question?

• 53:13Speaker 04

  Yep. Uh, Mr. Cat?

• 53:14Speaker 00

  Uh, can you please, uh, respond to a tweet with a video that I did not watch the whole video? Uh, it was only like a minute and a half, but I just was kinda like, this guy's weird and I'm not gonna, uh, listen to this whole thing. But please respond to the caption of the video from James Lee. Why is LeBron making four times as much money promoting polymarket than he is playing basketball? Answer, he is now an asset of the deep state with daddy Peter Thiel paying him to promote a DARPA surveillance app dressed up as sports betting.

• 53:48Speaker 04

  You ready for an answer?

• 53:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:52Speaker 04

  I don't know a lot of those words mean.

• 53:54Speaker 00

  Neither do I, but I wanna hold the gun to your head, buddy.

• 53:57Speaker 04

  I saw.

• 53:57Speaker 00

  DARPA. Yeah, surveillance, deep state.

• 54:00Speaker 02

  DARPA's, uh, uh, government research, military research agency.

• 54:04Speaker 03

  LeBron is a member of the deep state fact or fiction?

• 54:08Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 54:09Speaker 04

  I don't even know what the deep state is, so I'm not.

• 54:11Speaker 00

  Oh, Max.

• 54:12Speaker 03

  Sounds like a guy that's in the deep state.

• 54:14Speaker 00

  South of state, Max.

• 54:15Speaker 02

  LeBron is.

• 54:16Speaker 04

  Listen, I'm not gonna talk about things that I don't know about. Everything I say on this show, I'm highly knowledgeable on. Deep state, not one of those things.

• 54:24Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:25Speaker 03

  Convenient.

• 54:25Speaker 04

  Next question.

• 54:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I have a, I have a question, Matt.

• 54:28Speaker 04

  Mr. Commenter.

• 54:29Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, what about the allegations that this is salary cap circumvention, direct, clear as day, right in front of all our faces?

• 54:37Speaker 04

  What? Providing transportation?

• 54:38Speaker 00

  No, deep, and also deep state.

• 54:40Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:41Speaker 04

  What does the deep state have to do with this?

• 54:42Speaker 02

  Uh, Michael Rubin, Michael Rubin's in the deep state.

• 54:44Speaker 00

  Deep state.

• 54:45Speaker 04

  You guys don't, you guys, maybe, you, if anyone's in the deep state here, it's you two.

• 54:48Speaker 02

  Why?

• 54:49Speaker 04

  Cause you two are the rich guys. Ask memes.

• 54:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, memes. That guy's a retractable roof. Yeah.

• 54:54Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:57Speaker 02

  You, you would think that.

• 54:58Speaker 00

  I sent a picture of the guys. The roof is just, it's just a fucking.

• 55:02Speaker 04

  You opened, you opened up the roof.

• 55:04Speaker 00

  Whatever. What, what, uh, that's probably the wrong word.

• 55:06Speaker 04

  I think perugia is right. Pergola.

• 55:08Speaker 02

  Pergola. You're talking, you're thinking of vegetable.

• 55:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, the vegetable.

• 55:10Speaker 02

  A rugel.

• 55:11Speaker 00

  Uh, Max, I have another question.

• 55:13Speaker 04

  I eat rugel all the time.

• 55:14Speaker 00

  How many, how, I, in a, uh, regular dinner setting, uh, would, how many meatballs would you say you can eat?

• 55:24Speaker 04

  Interesting. It depends on the size of the meatballs. Meatballs come in all different.

• 55:28Speaker 00

  Say medium.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  That's an interesting question.

• 55:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, well. I'm sorry.

• 55:32Speaker 04

  Well, now you're talking about things that I'm knowledgeable on.

• 55:34Speaker 00

  He said he can't answer any questions about things he doesn't know about. So I was like, let's give him a softball to loosen him up. So how many would you say, sir?

• 55:40Speaker 04

  Medium sized meatball?

• 55:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:42Speaker 04

  I could take down a twelve pack for sure.

• 55:44Speaker 00

  All right, now let's go back to the deep state.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  So LeBron James, deep state asset.

• 55:49Speaker 04

  I don't know what you're talking about.

• 55:50Speaker 02

  He's probably, my, my theory is.

• 55:52Speaker 04

  Let's go back to the meatballs.

• 55:53Speaker 02

  He's responsible for this new outbreak of pneumatic plague to get the NBA into a bubble so he can win another fake championship. And also so that we don't spend all year booing Kawhi Leonard, like we did with the Astros after COVID. This is all, it's all by design and it's all LeBron James fingerprints.

• 56:10Speaker 04

  Jalen Brown cooked the Knicks last night. No, and you guys don't even wanna say anything about that.

• 56:14Speaker 00

  Preseason, bro?

• 56:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, don't, that's sad.

• 56:15Speaker 04

  And Huck Porty, memes killed Huck Porty.

• 56:18Speaker 00

  Preseason, bro?

• 56:19Speaker 04

  You killed Huck Porty. He was playing you.

• 56:23Speaker 02

  From the Knicks.

• 56:24Speaker 04

  He never had to play against dirty Knicks.

• 56:27Speaker 00

  All right, cool throat. Did he just stepped weird?

• 56:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was not got that.

• 56:32Speaker 04

  But they'll suck.

• 56:34Speaker 03

  Cool throwing couple, Missoula, Coach Missoula, my king.

• 56:39Speaker 03

  Celtics are training in Charleston. There's like insane amounts of rain and flooding. But he said that he wants the Celtics to not give up on their golf plans. And he's like, I want to see how much people care about their passions. Like, I don't care that it's pouring rain. If you had plans to do it, go do it. So I love that out of coach. Uh, then also.

• 56:59Speaker 00

  Golfing in the rain sucks, though.

• 57:00Speaker 03

  Horrible.

• 57:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:01Speaker 03

  Like miserable. I would, but like it, it's, that's, that's, that's his attitude.

• 57:06Speaker 00

  It's almost punishment.

• 57:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. But that's, that's.

• 57:09Speaker 00

  It's like getting choked out. Yeah.

• 57:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 57:13Speaker 03

  And Jerry O'Connell.

• 57:14Speaker 00

  Why?

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Why?

• 57:15Speaker 03

  He was, he's in, he's in, that's a movie. It's like a movie clip with Kai, Sonat, Kevin Hart and, and Drusky.

• 57:21Speaker 00

  Now that's a guy who's deep state.

• 57:23Speaker 03

  Did you see this clip?

• 57:24Speaker 00

  Mm hmm. I saw.

• 57:26Speaker 02

  He went to a Diddy party.

• 57:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're saying Kai's the new Diddy.

• 57:30Speaker 04

  I'm pulling it up. I'm pulling it up. It's so funny.

• 57:32Speaker 02

  His wife went to Epstein.

• 57:33Speaker 03

  Was that?

• 57:34Speaker 04

  That's just not true.

• 57:35Speaker 03

  Kai said that. I saw a clip.

• 57:38Speaker 00

  What?

• 57:38Speaker 04

  A lot of AI out there.

• 57:39Speaker 00

  A lot of AI out there. What's not true, Zach?

• 57:42Speaker 03

  It might've been before the Diddy thing happened.

• 57:43Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 57:44Speaker 03

  There's a clip of Kai saying like, I'm the new Diddy.

• 57:46Speaker 00

  Oh. Is that true?

• 57:49Speaker 03

  Look, that's before a lot of things were done and found out about, you know?

• 57:53Speaker 00

  They couldn't have meant anything.

• 57:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I like, like, what's someone represented before and after heinous crimes? Two different things.

• 58:01Speaker 00

  Mm hmm. They had this man stressed. This is Jerry O'Connell with Drusky, Kai Sonat, and who else is in this?

• 58:11Speaker 05

  Uh, white cane sugar and also brown sugar.

• 58:15Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 58:20Speaker 05

  I want to say I feel a little uncomfortable with the N word being used.

• 58:25Speaker 06

  Come on, man. You do it too. No, I know. I ain't never said that.

• 58:28Speaker 05

  Should I use the milliliters or do you like ounces?

• 58:33Speaker 05

  No more N word, please. Please, this is live. People see this? People see this? Stop with the N word. I find it to be highly offensive.

• 58:44Speaker 00

  This is, this is a live stream?

• 58:46Speaker 03

  It's a clip from a movie.

• 58:48Speaker 02

  Oh, it's a movie about a live stream.

• 58:50Speaker 00

  Got it. Okay.

• 58:51Speaker 02

  Jerry's the best.

• 58:52Speaker 03

  It's on Amazon. Climbing up the ladder. Tubi.

• 58:54Speaker 00

  Good for Jerry.

• 58:55Speaker 03

  Prime, next up Netflix.

• 58:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:57Speaker 03

  Then he's gonna be back in theaters.

• 58:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:59Speaker 02

  I wonder how he got that gig?

• 59:03Speaker 03

  He's everywhere.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  Cause if you, if you say, like, I need a white man. I feel like Jerry O'Connell is near the top of that list.

• 59:10Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 59:13Speaker 00

  I need a white man to, to, to be a, uh, extreme liberal cuck. He is, he's it.

• 59:18Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 59:19Speaker 00

  He's perfect. They probably saw him win cuck of the year and also say that he was getting beat up by his family. And they're like, this guy's perfect.

• 59:26Speaker 02

  He's perfect for the live stream from hell.

• 59:28Speaker 00

  Good for Jerry, though.

• 59:29Speaker 02

  They sure had him.

• 59:29Speaker 00

  Good actor.

• 59:30Speaker 02

  Making something with salt and the V word.

• 59:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. We need to get Jerry in more stuff. He's a fucking good actor.

• 59:39Speaker 02

  White guy.

• 59:40Speaker 00

  You agree he's a good actor?

• 59:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:43Speaker 00

  Oh, that was not.

• 59:45Speaker 03

  I said, yeah.

• 59:45Speaker 00

  What? Oh, memes. You're saying no?

• 59:47Speaker 04

  Well, I was saying, he might be in too much stuff.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  Oh, is he the, the what Kevin Hart?

• 59:52Speaker 04

  I've just been doing like some rewatches of stuff and he's just like, he just pops up.

• 59:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:57Speaker 02

  He's a hard worker.

• 59:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, great.

• 59:58Speaker 02

  And somehow he finds the time to be a full-time guest on this podcast.

• 1:00:02Speaker 00

  Fantasy owner.

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  What's our record?

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  I don't know, cause Jerry locked me out. Is there a hostile takeover of the fantasy app? We do, we have, starting on, on this Friday show, let's have him back to do his fantasy.

• 1:00:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, we'll have him do a fantasy minute.

• 1:00:16Speaker 02

  But one minute, Jerry.

• 1:00:17Speaker 00

  Okay, uh, PFT.

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  Uh, my hot seat is the NHL. Number one, the NHL's back. Let's all remember that the NHL came back in September this year.

• 1:00:26Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:00:26Speaker 02

  Uh, which feels way, way too early for hockey. They.

• 1:00:29Speaker 00

  Eighty-four games.

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, eighty-four games. They got two extra ones, which means that they have the exact same schedule as like a school.

• 1:00:36Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 1:00:36Speaker 02

  They go September through June.

• 1:00:39Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  In the, in the NHL now, which is, that's too much.

• 1:00:42Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:00:43Speaker 02

  That's too much, too many months with hockey. I'm sure it even caught, probably caught Whitney off, off guard. He was like, wait, what? We're, we're doing games again. But, um, before the season started, Ovi announced to his teammates, this is going to be the last year. He's retiring at the end of the season. And, uh, I think that I'm thinking good thoughts about the Capitals this year.

• 1:01:02Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm thinking that like script writers might be on it. Ovi's last year. They've got a really good team that they built around him, which shockingly, I know a couple of years ago I was saying they might just construct a team to get Ovi the goal record and, and kind of put off the rebuild till after he's gone. I think the Capitals are a really, really good team this year. And if you, if you're to write a script, I feel like the Caps might make another run in the playoffs.

• 1:01:26Speaker 00

  What do you think about the year in advance, uh, retirement announcement?

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  I think if you're Ovi, it's fine.

• 1:01:33Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:01:34Speaker 02

  I, yeah, I'm okay with it. Cause he wanted to tell his teammates before the year started. Everyone thought he was going to retire last year.

• 1:01:39Speaker 00

  Should've just not leaked it.

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  Well, so they kind of did leak it by mistake when somebody on the Caps, like the, one of the ticket salesman, sent out an email to everybody being like, buy your tickets now for Ovi's last season.

• 1:01:50Speaker 00

  That's the part where I kind of get annoyed with. It's not Ovi's fault. I mean, it's not saying he doesn't deserve it, but I just think the retirement tour, like, and then they just squeeze every dollar out of it. It's like, come on.

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  I think you tell your teammates about it.

• 1:02:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  Um, but they, yeah, I got no problem with, with them putting, if anybody deserves, uh, one year where it's like, this is going to be Ovi's year. And I don't think it's going to be like Major League Baseball was for like Mariano Rivera.

• 1:02:12Speaker 00

  Oh, it is. They're going to give him gifts.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  I don't think so.

• 1:02:15Speaker 00

  Oh, he'll get some gifts.

• 1:02:16Speaker 02

  He'll probably get a couple of gifts here and there. But I think he'll just mostly get like acknowledgement at the stadiums that he, that he goes to.

• 1:02:22Speaker 00

  He'll definitely get some gifts.

• 1:02:23Speaker 02

  What's, what's that memes?

• 1:02:26Speaker 00

  He'll get some gifts.

• 1:02:27Speaker 04

  We're just going through standings back here. Flyers have one game.

• 1:02:30Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 1:02:31Speaker 03

  I think they're on like a historically, historically bad start.

• 1:02:35Speaker 00

  I watched an entire Blackhawks game. We lost five, nothing.

• 1:02:37Speaker 04

  That's not, I mean, they got two points. They may have played the most amount of games, but they got two points.

• 1:02:43Speaker 00

  There you go.

• 1:02:43Speaker 04

  Only two points back from the Bruins, same, same amount of games. So fuck you, Hank.

• 1:02:48Speaker 00

  Fuck you, Hank.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, come on, Hank.

• 1:02:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, fuck you.

• 1:02:50Speaker 00

  Fuck you, buddy.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think, I think the Caps are going to be very good. I don't think it's going to be a massive deal for Ovi's retirement tour. I, I really don't think that other teams are going to like roll out a red carpet for him.

• 1:03:01Speaker 00

  Okay, your cool throne?

• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  My cool throne is Dillon Brooks. Dillon Brooks is back.

• 1:03:05Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:03:06Speaker 02

  Big time in, uh, preseason basketball. Got into a fight last night, right off the bat. I think it was, I think.

• 1:03:12Speaker 03

  Twenty-two to six is the score.

• 1:03:14Speaker 02

  The first half.

• 1:03:14Speaker 03

  That's horrible.

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:03:16Speaker 03

  They're twenty-two to six.

• 1:03:18Speaker 02

  Is what?

• 1:03:19Speaker 00

  The score, the score differential?

• 1:03:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:21Speaker 02

  That's tough.

• 1:03:22Speaker 00

  Well, they did lose a game seven to nothing.

• 1:03:24Speaker 04

  Uh, it counts the same.

• 1:03:26Speaker 00

  It's fifteen to six.

• 1:03:27Speaker 04

  Counts the same.

• 1:03:28Speaker 00

  The other three games, they're only losing fifteen to six.

• 1:03:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's not even that bad.

• 1:03:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:33Speaker 04

  Hank?

• 1:03:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. That's five, that's five to two.

• 1:03:36Speaker 04

  I also shouldn't even be thinking about hockey right now.

• 1:03:40Speaker 00

  No. You got a dead football team.

• 1:03:42Speaker 04

  Right. I gotta think about.

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, two, two dead football teams.

• 1:03:45Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm, I'm looking forward to Villanova basketball. That's, that's going to be the thing this year.

• 1:03:50Speaker 00

  You got the Pope on your side.

• 1:03:51Speaker 04

  Pope.

• 1:03:52Speaker 00

  He's doing miracles to the White Sox.

• 1:03:53Speaker 03

  Also, you guys hung that cool, uh, that was cool. Did you see they, they put up a like commemorative like thing in, in is, was that in the Sixer Stadium or Villanova Stadium?

• 1:04:04Speaker 00

  What was it?

• 1:04:05Speaker 04

  I'm not familiar.

• 1:04:05Speaker 03

  Of the Knicks. Of the Knicks.

• 1:04:07Speaker 00

  What? Oh, of the Nova Knicks?

• 1:04:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:10Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:04:11Speaker 04

  This sounds like.

• 1:04:12Speaker 00

  AI?

• 1:04:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  That would be cool though, if they did it.

• 1:04:16Speaker 03

  I don't think it was.

• 1:04:18Speaker 02

  Did they include Dante on it?

• 1:04:20Speaker 03

  The Pavilion.

• 1:04:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a Villanova.

• 1:04:22Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  In Philadelphia?

• 1:04:24Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:04:26Speaker 04

  It's Villanova.

• 1:04:27Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:04:27Speaker 03

  Which is.

• 1:04:28Speaker 00

  Get your fucking towns around Philly, correct?

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  It's in the, what is in the King of Prussia Mall?

• 1:04:33Speaker 00

  Fuck, come correct next time.

• 1:04:35Speaker 04

  Don't disrespect the King of Prussia Mall.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  That's why I always shout out.

• 1:04:38Speaker 00

  Is it mainline? It's mainline, right?

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  It might be the best mall in the world.

• 1:04:41Speaker 00

  It's mainline. I knew it was mainline.

• 1:04:44Speaker 02

  So in the Philadelphia area, correct me if I'm wrong.

• 1:04:46Speaker 04

  There's a lot of grit from the mainline, all right?

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  Villanova's, uh, they're one of the big five, right?

• 1:04:51Speaker 04

  They are.

• 1:04:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, all right.

• 1:04:54Speaker 02

  I like that they're respecting the Knicks.

• 1:04:57Speaker 04

  They respect alumni.

• 1:04:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, that is. That's a big, big time.

• 1:05:02Speaker 02

  What's the banner say, Hank?

• 1:05:04Speaker 04

  It's like an entire, I'll send it to you. It's a mural.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, that is cool.

• 1:05:11Speaker 00

  It's very cool. Are you got anything else, PFT?

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, Dillon Brooks.

• 1:05:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, Dillon.

• 1:05:16Speaker 02

  He got into a fight with John Collins in the first quarter of a preseason game.

• 1:05:21Speaker 00

  I love that.

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  Uh, he got choked. Well, Dillon Brooks was like throwing his ass into him, pretty much trying to start a fight and instigate in the first quarter. And, uh, John Collins just grabbed his throat and tried to choke him out and then realized like, what the fuck am I doing? This is the first quarter of a preseason game. But Dillon Brooks still has it. He's still got it. So.

• 1:05:37Speaker 00

  Well, that's all he has.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, rest assured.

• 1:05:39Speaker 00

  You gotta just be that guy.

• 1:05:39Speaker 02

  It's, listen, he is in, he's in midseason form is what I'm saying. Dillon Brooks is, uh, looking to put up career numbers in terms of ejections this year.

• 1:05:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, okay. My hot seat is, uh, Jim Moore and Colorado State. We're going to talk some college football with Ryan Russillo, but this story needs to be talked about. Uh, Colorado State's defensive coordinator, um, quit in the middle of the game. So they got in a fight. Tyson Summers and Jim Moore, Jr. Got in a fight and Tyson Summers just left the field. And, uh, this is what Oregon State for, for people who are not following, they're only following P4, uh, schools, Oregon State, New Mexico. Those are my two schools. I love watching them. Uh, Oregon State, Braden Atkinson and, and their, uh, receiver, who's maybe one of the best receivers in the country.

• 1:06:27Speaker 00

  Jesse LeGray, LeGree, uh, are fucking awesome. So they were so good on Saturday night. The defensive coordinator quit in the middle of the game. That's hard to do. That's really hard to do. So that's, that was a fun story. And Jim Moore, Jr. I feel like he's, uh.

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  I forgot that he wasn't at UConn anymore.

• 1:06:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. Jason Candle's at UConn.

• 1:06:49Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:06:49Speaker 00

  Yeah. So that, that was, uh, it just, you just can't have your defensive coordinator quit in the middle of the game and just get in an argument.

• 1:06:56Speaker 02

  Was he quit or was he fired?

• 1:06:58Speaker 00

  He, it was like a combo.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  Because.

• 1:06:59Speaker 00

  I think they got in an argument, then he left. And then after the game, Jim Moore, Jr. Was like, yeah, he ain't coming back.

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  Cause wasn't that guy? He was, uh, like a holdover from the previous regime and Jim Moore came in and.

• 1:07:11Speaker 00

  So he was.

• 1:07:11Speaker 02

  He was on thin ice already.

• 1:07:12Speaker 00

  Told, he was relieved of his play calling duties and then he was like, you can't fire me. I quit and walked off.

• 1:07:18Speaker 02

  I, so was the story that he was relieved of play calling duties during that game?

• 1:07:22Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  Or the week before?

• 1:07:23Speaker 00

  I think it was during the game. I mean, he kept on, Oregon State was just lighting them up. They went, they, they scored 56 points. They scored 35 points in the first half. The guy was just, I was watching the game. Cause I, I like watching Oregon State and I bet on them. The guy was just blitzing and getting just fucking torched. And then they were like, yeah, you're done playing calls. He's like, no, I'm out of here. Pretty funny story to have, uh, that happened in the middle of a, a, a game. So it's go, going well right now at Oregon State.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  I'm starting to come around on the, uh, the non-power conference playoff.

• 1:07:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:55Speaker 02

  Because there's.

• 1:07:55Speaker 00

  I agree.

• 1:07:56Speaker 02

  There's some really fun teams.

• 1:07:57Speaker 00

  Dude, New Mexico, Jason Eck has like the, one of the funnest teams in the country.

• 1:08:01Speaker 02

  And I want to see them play in a way that's not, okay, let's, who, who's going to get fed to Texas?

• 1:08:05Speaker 00

  I completely agree.

• 1:08:07Speaker 02

  Last year was cool. Got to check it off the list, but ultimately like you zoom out a little bit and you see that it's, uh, a team like that is never going to have a chance to win.

• 1:08:16Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  They ultimately end up becoming great feeder programs for, for the power schools. Like you see, like JMU, JMU, UCLA is five and O, I think.

• 1:08:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:08:25Speaker 02

  And JMU Bloomington is also undefeated.

• 1:08:28Speaker 00

  The, the problem is they like Boise could win a game in a playoff. I mean, they almost, you know, they played Penn State pretty tough. Boise, JMU, all these other schools, they could never win four games in a row.

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:46Speaker 00

  So that's where it's like, I, I get it. Like it would be awesome for the Cinderella to win a game. There's just no way they could withstand four games in a row against that level. And it's just, it's not like a knock on them. It's just, it's just a fact. Like, what are you going to do?

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  The, the problem, the problem is you beat, let's say, um, who, who would be like the third ranked team this year?

• 1:09:10Speaker 00

  Right now?

• 1:09:10Speaker 02

  Ohio State?

• 1:09:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, right now it's, it's probably what's, it's probably, no, it's not Alabama, maybe Alabama. Yeah. Texas, Georgia. I think it's Al, no Alabama, oh, Notre Dame, Notre Dame, Miami. Yeah.

• 1:09:26Speaker 02

  Uh, we, maybe we could beat Notre Dame.

• 1:09:27Speaker 00

  But then you'd have to beat Miami and then you'd have to beat Ohio State. It's like, that's really what it comes out to.

• 1:09:32Speaker 02

  My point was like, you beat the, whoever the third place team is going to be, if that's going to be Notre Dame, and then your reward is in the next round, you get to play against like Texas.

• 1:09:39Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  And then you just, like, ultimately it's not going to be a, a great experience. Your last, your lasting memory of that season is not going to be a good one.

• 1:09:47Speaker 00

  Where being the, the, the national champion of the, of the like, uh, what is it? P6? No. Group of, group of six, G6 would be pretty fucking cool.

• 1:09:58Speaker 02

  There should be.

• 1:09:59Speaker 00

  It'd be fun football. That'd be a fun football tournament.

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  It'd be a very fun, like you want to talk about overs.

• 1:10:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:04Speaker 02

  There'd be a lot of overs in that tournament, but then you run the risk of it becoming like the NIT of football, which you kind of forget about eventually.

• 1:10:13Speaker 04

  What makes this different than just another version of the FCS?

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  That's why I was opposed to it.

• 1:10:18Speaker 00

  It is a little bit.

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  That's why I was opposed to it in the past.

• 1:10:20Speaker 04

  And no one really.

• 1:10:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:21Speaker 04

  Cares that much about the FCS.

• 1:10:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, they don't. So.

• 1:10:23Speaker 00

  But these have at least a little bit more brand names behind it.

• 1:10:27Speaker 04

  I think it would eventually just become the same thing.

• 1:10:29Speaker 00

  Maybe. You might be right.

• 1:10:31Speaker 02

  Possibly.

• 1:10:31Speaker 00

  I still would like to see more football and like those teams competing against each other would be fun.

• 1:10:39Speaker 04

  But the FCS already exists.

• 1:10:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. But it's better football than the FCS. But you're right.

• 1:10:43Speaker 04

  I don't know if that's true.

• 1:10:44Speaker 02

  That's why.

• 1:10:45Speaker 04

  Because the, the best FCS teams that keep getting promoted.

• 1:10:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:49Speaker 04

  End up being the best group, group of 16.

• 1:10:51Speaker 02

  Right. That's what I'm saying. It's like the, the best.

• 1:10:52Speaker 04

  So maybe the FCS teams are, maybe that tournament is North Dakota State wagon. That's what I'm saying.

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  The best group of six teams can compete, or sorry, the best FCS teams historically, they can compete with a group of six. Yes. If not be better than most of them.

• 1:11:07Speaker 04

  They.

• 1:11:07Speaker 02

  The top of the group of six will be the middle of the pack of the power conferences.

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  They're the best. Like JMU and North Dakota State have both just come in to the group of six and been the best.

• 1:11:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:21Speaker 04

  So that, maybe that means the FCS.

• 1:11:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:23Speaker 04

  May actually be better than the group of six.

• 1:11:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, I see what you're saying.

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  Possibly.

• 1:11:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. At least the top of the.

• 1:11:29Speaker 04

  And no one cares about, and no one cares about the FCS. Yeah.

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  The tops are, the tops are better than the mids at whatever level is above them.

• 1:11:36Speaker 04

  I'm saying, no, the tops are better than the tops.

• 1:11:38Speaker 02

  No, they're not because they.

• 1:11:40Speaker 00

  Well, no, JMU didn't.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  JMU and, and North Dakota State are the tops.

• 1:11:43Speaker 00

  And also JMU didn't do it on the year one of being.

• 1:11:46Speaker 04

  North Dakota State is.

• 1:11:47Speaker 00

  They could be. Yeah. I guess that would prove it.

• 1:11:49Speaker 02

  JMU kind of did do it year one, though.

• 1:11:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, they, they weren't allowed. Yeah, they weren't allowed.

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, they just weren't allowed.

• 1:11:54Speaker 00

  They lose, they lost games the first two years up. Like, would they have made it year if the expanded playoff?

• 1:12:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. They were, they were the, one of the best, like two or three teams in.

• 1:12:05Speaker 00

  What was the year they lost? What was the year you did game day? When they lost?

• 1:12:08Speaker 02

  That we lost one game.

• 1:12:09Speaker 00

  Right. That would have probably eliminated them.

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  To App State.

• 1:12:12Speaker 00

  Being in the expanded playoff that year, right?

• 1:12:15Speaker 02

  Maybe. I forget how the rest of the, the group of six did, but it was like in the conversation.

• 1:12:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, that was the year that Boise made it.

• 1:12:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:21Speaker 00

  2024, when Boise, uh, I think they almost beat, I think they almost beat Oregon that year.

• 1:12:29Speaker 02

  Cause I think, was that the year that JMU beat UNC like 70 to 50? That game rocked. Made Mac Brown quit football.

• 1:12:38Speaker 00

  Yeah. Boise, Boise would have made it that year. Boise lost one game. They lost one game by three points to Oregon. So it would have been Boise. Cause you guys lost to App State.

• 1:12:45Speaker 02

  But still, like, memes is point is the same, which is like the, the top of the FCS, yeah. Max's point. Sorry, Max. Max's point remains.

• 1:12:54Speaker 00

  Mims doesn't make any points, pocket watching. Uh, and the Knicks won the championship. We, we know, dude.

• 1:13:01Speaker 00

  Uh, okay.

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  Wait, this is the first I'm hearing of this.

• 1:13:03Speaker 00

  My cool throne is, uh, Amazon day. I, I mentioned the other day, uh, Stella Blue Coffee on Amazon today is 20% off. So go please buy Stella Blue Coffee on Amazon. Uh, it helping, uh, we're trying to adopt a thousand dogs this year. Also, my cool throne is the Eagles because Sirianni letting the boys sleep in their own, uh, beds a little bit this week. He's not leaving for London until Friday. He's doing the McVeigh.

• 1:13:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, that went great for the Rams, huh?

• 1:13:29Speaker 00

  It's a little different. It's obviously a lot easier of a flight. It's a five hour flight, but still feels like, actually, I don't know. I don't know what, the Eagles feel like such a mess right now that I don't, I don't know if there is a right answer.

• 1:13:40Speaker 04

  I mean, the whole team's hurt.

• 1:13:41Speaker 02

  Is there a reason for, are they waiting? Maybe Saquon's going to get healthy?

• 1:13:45Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 1:13:46Speaker 04

  I don't think Saquon's going to play.

• 1:13:46Speaker 00

  They probably had to have planned this a while ago.

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:49Speaker 04

  I don't think Saquon's going to play.

• 1:13:51Speaker 00

  And didn't who, who, would, did Cam Jergens? No.

• 1:13:54Speaker 04

  Cam Jergens also seems like he's not going to play.

• 1:13:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, cause he.

• 1:13:57Speaker 04

  Concussion.

• 1:13:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, he self-reported a concussion.

• 1:13:59Speaker 04

  Concussion protocol.

• 1:14:00Speaker 02

  And then Lane?

• 1:14:02Speaker 04

  Lane, we don't, we, we have no updates on Lane.

• 1:14:05Speaker 02

  What about Dickerson?

• 1:14:06Speaker 04

  Dickerson not going to play.

• 1:14:07Speaker 02

  So a lot of people.

• 1:14:08Speaker 00

  Look at Devante.

• 1:14:09Speaker 04

  Tank Bigsby not going to play.

• 1:14:11Speaker 00

  Devante.

• 1:14:11Speaker 02

  Who's going to run the football?

• 1:14:12Speaker 04

  Devante, maybe. I think Zach Bond will be back.

• 1:14:17Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:14:18Speaker 04

  Grenard look, is looking like he has a good chance of being back. He's day to day right now.

• 1:14:23Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:14:23Speaker 04

  But they said he avoided major, major injury.

• 1:14:26Speaker 02

  Who's playing running back?

• 1:14:28Speaker 04

  That'll be Will Shipley and maybe we will promote Carson Steele from the practice.

• 1:14:34Speaker 00

  Oh, okay. Alligator.

• 1:14:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, love that. Yeah.

• 1:14:37Speaker 04

  So.

• 1:14:38Speaker 00

  He's got a pet alligator.

• 1:14:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:40Speaker 00

  That's very cool.

• 1:14:41Speaker 02

  Action.

• 1:14:42Speaker 04

  Maybe see Willie Lampkin at guard this week. Uh, yeah.

• 1:14:46Speaker 00

  So you guys are going to have two white running backs?

• 1:14:49Speaker 04

  There's a chance.

• 1:14:50Speaker 00

  When was the last time that happened?

• 1:14:54Speaker 04

  Probably used to happen all the time.

• 1:14:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's probably been a while.

• 1:14:58Speaker 04

  Probably been a while. Yeah.

• 1:15:00Speaker 02

  I'm thinking like, uh, no, Woodhead and Burkehead were never on the Pats at the same time, were they?

• 1:15:07Speaker 02

  No. I'll have to get the stat, the stats accounts to take a look at that.

• 1:15:13Speaker 04

  That also isn't official, the Carson Steele thing. That's just what people are reporting.

• 1:15:17Speaker 00

  Uh, no, no. I don't know.

• 1:15:21Speaker 02

  Uh, did, hmm, no. I'm just thinking of one white guy at a time.

• 1:15:25Speaker 00

  Yeah. And then was there another white guy they had with them?

• 1:15:28Speaker 02

  Let's see. Christian McCaffrey. Has he ever played?

• 1:15:32Speaker 00

  With a white guy?

• 1:15:33Speaker 02

  Uh, Ushak? Maybe there was a game where it was, yeah, that was the backfield.

• 1:15:37Speaker 00

  Kind of.

• 1:15:40Speaker 00

  Um, oh, was, uh,

• 1:15:44Speaker 00

  was, was Rex Burke, did Rex Burke Burke had ever, was he ever sharing a backfield with James White?

• 1:15:50Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:15:51Speaker 02

  That would have counted too.

• 1:15:52Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:15:52Speaker 00

  Definitely counted.

• 1:15:53Speaker 05

  Possibly, yeah.

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 1:15:55Speaker 04

  And Danny Woodhead might have also.

• 1:15:56Speaker 00

  James White, yeah.

• 1:15:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:57Speaker 00

  All right, so that might count.

• 1:15:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:59Speaker 00

  Okay, Zach, finish us off.

• 1:16:02Speaker 05

  My hot seat this week is gonna be humanity. Uh, you guys see what the, the researchers in, at the University of Tokyo have been cooking up last couple of days?

• 1:16:09Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:16:09Speaker 05

  So, researchers at the University of Tokyo have figured out how to basically affix human skin to robots.

• 1:16:16Speaker 02

  Good.

• 1:16:17Speaker 05

  So we're now doing real human skin on robots. As of right now, they have to keep it a little wet for it to stay alive.

• 1:16:25Speaker 00

  What?

• 1:16:25Speaker 02

  Naturally, yeah.

• 1:16:26Speaker 05

  But, uh, there's.

• 1:16:27Speaker 02

  They're like reverse gremlins.

• 1:16:29Speaker 00

  Can everyone just chill out? I feel like as a world, we need to just chill out, get laid, smoke a little weed, watch some ball, listen to some music. That would solve a lot of this shit. Oh, this is disgusting.

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  Who is signing, who is donating their body to robots?

• 1:16:46Speaker 05

  So I guess they're.

• 1:16:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the ultimate cuck move is being like, hey, when I die, I'd like robots to use my body.

• 1:16:51Speaker 05

  They're able to like create these collagen skin cells.

• 1:16:55Speaker 02

  Oh, they're growing them in a lab?

• 1:16:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:56Speaker 00

  This actually might be good for me.

• 1:16:58Speaker 05

  And then affixing it.

• 1:17:00Speaker 00

  This might be important if I ever have to cut off my pinky.

• 1:17:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, further later down, if you need to.

• 1:17:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:06Speaker 05

  But they say when they attach the robot hands now, it'll even make the wrinkles of like, look at your knuckles and things.

• 1:17:12Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:17:12Speaker 05

  When the hands bend, it creates like the natural wrinkle of the skin.

• 1:17:16Speaker 02

  All these companies are doing the worst shit and, and they're warning everybody and they're saying, hey, just a heads up, we're doing terrible stuff over here. But if we don't do it, someone else is gonna do it. So that means we have to do all the bad stuff.

• 1:17:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, we might as well do the advancement.

• 1:17:30Speaker 02

  But just a heads up, what we're doing sucks and you should all hate it. But don't yell at us because if we don't do it, someone else is gonna, that makes no sense. Just stop doing the things.

• 1:17:39Speaker 05

  What if we all agree to not do some things?

• 1:17:41Speaker 02

  Just, yeah, just stop doing the bad things that you think everybody else is gonna do.

• 1:17:45Speaker 05

  What would you guys say timeline on full robot, human skin, you run into it like the grocery store and don't know it?

• 1:17:51Speaker 02

  Oh, like, oh.

• 1:17:52Speaker 05

  You think it's under 10 years?

• 1:17:53Speaker 02

  Sex bots are gonna be the next thing.

• 1:17:56Speaker 00

  That okay, I'm cool with that.

• 1:17:58Speaker 02

  What's, what's?

• 1:17:59Speaker 04

  Meme's is already looking at this as a sex bot.

• 1:18:01Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:18:02Speaker 04

  He's thinking about getting his butthole fingered.

• 1:18:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, sex ritual.

• 1:18:04Speaker 00

  Me.

• 1:18:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, look. Backscratcher.

• 1:18:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:06Speaker 04

  He was like, he was like, go back to that first thing. That would be useful. 100% finger, finger up the butt.

• 1:18:11Speaker 00

  Imagine if Max points at Hank with a robot finger. He's like, I didn't point, it was my robot finger.

• 1:18:17Speaker 04

  Hank just.

• 1:18:18Speaker 02

  It's over at that point.

• 1:18:19Speaker 04

  Whipped his neck around.

• 1:18:20Speaker 00

  He just looked at you.

• 1:18:21Speaker 04

  He just whipped that neck.

• 1:18:22Speaker 02

  He served you a look.

• 1:18:24Speaker 00

  Hank serves.

• 1:18:25Speaker 02

  The, uh.

• 1:18:26Speaker 04

  It was like a model.

• 1:18:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. Hank was serving cunt right there.

• 1:18:30Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:18:30Speaker 00

  Big time.

• 1:18:31Speaker 04

  Hank always serves cunt.

• 1:18:34Speaker 02

  Cunt is what's for dinner.

• 1:18:35Speaker 00

  Ew.

• 1:18:36Speaker 02

  All right, uh, the, the finger thing though, that's, that's clearly what they're doing, right? Memes are making guys like memes think like, this is gonna be a sex thing.

• 1:18:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:45Speaker 04

  You're the horny guy.

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  I would, no, you are the horny. You're talking about getting a finger up your butt.

• 1:18:49Speaker 04

  Backscratcher.

• 1:18:52Speaker 04

  Backscratcher dude.

• 1:18:53Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:18:54Speaker 00

  And we can't even buy these BFT memes. He's gonna be like, oh, you got all your own robot. Oh, you got a robot?

• 1:18:59Speaker 04

  You guys probably both have them.

• 1:19:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, it doesn't, it's not sex bot memes, it's my butler.

• 1:19:03Speaker 04

  You have a sex gremlin today.

• 1:19:06Speaker 02

  My sex gremlin.

• 1:19:07Speaker 05

  Already have a blowjob machine, memes are good.

• 1:19:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, memes, you own a blowjob machine.

• 1:19:10Speaker 00

  You do?

• 1:19:12Speaker 04

  No, I, I was the last guy out on that.

• 1:19:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:19:15Speaker 02

  That's not the place you wanna be.

• 1:19:16Speaker 00

  No. When you guys shared a blowjob machine?

• 1:19:20Speaker 02

  Oh, man. Any other position but that, last in line at the Bonnie Blue concert.

• 1:19:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, Shane broke his.

• 1:19:25Speaker 00

  All right, uh, Zach, cool throne.

• 1:19:28Speaker 02

  Charge up.

• 1:19:29Speaker 05

  Bolt up. My cool throne this week is, uh, Joey Chestnut, cause he showed us again that he just undisputed goat.

• 1:19:35Speaker 00

  What'd he do?

• 1:19:36Speaker 05

  Uh, this time.

• 1:19:36Speaker 00

  Get this off the screen, Max. We're just looking at robot, uh, flash.

• 1:19:40Speaker 02

  How many robot fingers did Joey Chestnut eat?

• 1:19:42Speaker 00

  Get it off the screen.

• 1:19:43Speaker 04

  All right, you got Joey Chestnut up.

• 1:19:44Speaker 05

  It was not robot fingers, this time it was baked beans.

• 1:19:47Speaker 00

  Oh, man. How many?

• 1:19:49Speaker 05

  So he, uh, he did 16 pounds of baked beans.

• 1:19:52Speaker 00

  God, how much time?

• 1:19:53Speaker 05

  With, this was, uh, in competition against four dudes going for eight pounds and it was just so you could finish first.

• 1:19:59Speaker 00

  Holy shit.

• 1:20:01Speaker 05

  There's been guys in like a grocery store for like a little under a year trying to consume five, the entire store, five million calories.

• 1:20:07Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:20:07Speaker 05

  And then at the end, like we got all these beans, there's one guy to come in and compete. So they beat Joey, they would've got some cars. But Joey Chestnut showed up and ate 16 pounds of baked beans.

• 1:20:16Speaker 00

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:20:17Speaker 02

  This is a Mr. Beast competition?

• 1:20:19Speaker 05

  Uh, this is a beast bout, yes.

• 1:20:22Speaker 00

  16 pounds of beans. That's so many beans.

• 1:20:25Speaker 02

  That's insane. They should have, he should stay on camera for like the next 12 hours just to see, like miked up.

• 1:20:33Speaker 00

  Ripping.

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  Just ripping the best farts ever.

• 1:20:37Speaker 00

  There he is.

• 1:20:38Speaker 05

  All right. Have you guys ever worn like a, like a weighted vest, like 10, 20 pound weighted vest?

• 1:20:42Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:20:42Speaker 05

  That's a 16 pound vest. It's all beans.

• 1:20:44Speaker 00

  I did it in COVID when I was trying to get in shape and I, uh, I hurt my back cause I went for the heaviest one. I think I put down on like a 40 pound weighted vest. I was walking around my six month old with, uh, with, with tactical glasses to help my vision and a weighted vest and I, I just looked like a ice agent.

• 1:21:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was so heavy.

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  That guy in, uh.

• 1:21:07Speaker 00

  It like, I fucked up my back really bad. I was 45 pounds. Yeah, it's so bad. Yeah.

• 1:21:11Speaker 04

  Maybe a 100 pound weighted vest.

• 1:21:13Speaker 02

  You see that shootout in South America with, like it was a real life sicario that happened at the border checkpoint?

• 1:21:18Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 1:21:19Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  Picks punishment?

• 1:21:25Speaker 02

  Join ICE?

• 1:21:26Speaker 00

  Weighted vest? Weighted vest for a week and join ICE?

• 1:21:31Speaker 02

  Fill out the application to become an ICE agent.

• 1:21:34Speaker 04

  Weighted vest sounds better.

• 1:21:36Speaker 00

  Weighted vest for a week?

• 1:21:37Speaker 02

  You're a deep.

• 1:21:37Speaker 05

  In LA?

• 1:21:38Speaker 00

  In LA?

• 1:21:39Speaker 04

  Oh, it gets so sweaty.

• 1:21:41Speaker 05

  But you have to wear it over your clothes.

• 1:21:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:44Speaker 05

  Everywhere.

• 1:21:45Speaker 00

  Everywhere.

• 1:21:46Speaker 05

  That's not bad.

• 1:21:47Speaker 00

  It's pretty, and second place is like 10 pounds, last place is like 50?

• 1:21:55Speaker 04

  Forty five, last place 45. Look, looks like it goes by.

• 1:22:00Speaker 00

  For interviews, too?

• 1:22:01Speaker 02

  I agree with that.

• 1:22:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:02Speaker 00

  Everything, everything.

• 1:22:03Speaker 05

  Dinner, appearances, any, anything, parties.

• 1:22:06Speaker 02

  Parties, yeah.

• 1:22:07Speaker 00

  That would be so.

• 1:22:08Speaker 04

  15 pound, 45.

• 1:22:08Speaker 00

  Oh, my God, it'd be, all right, so what?

• 1:22:11Speaker 02

  To the beach with Russillo.

• 1:22:12Speaker 00

  15 and 45, you said? I mean, you look so ridiculous at the bar.

• 1:22:17Speaker 02

  You should also have to go surfing.

• 1:22:18Speaker 00

  I think second place should not, should, should only have to do it during the day. Cause it's like, at night, the second place can take theirs off.

• 1:22:26Speaker 02

  Okay, but it has to be stepped up weight then.

• 1:22:29Speaker 00

  15, 45.

• 1:22:30Speaker 04

  What about 15, what about 45, 45, 25? I'm gonna come in second, so I just.

• 1:22:35Speaker 00

  I'm gonna come in last.

• 1:22:35Speaker 04

  It's, it's, it is a, it is a tradition on this show that I come in second every single year.

• 1:22:39Speaker 02

  What is, what are the?

• 1:22:40Speaker 00

  45, 25.

• 1:22:41Speaker 04

  First.

• 1:22:42Speaker 00

  45, 25, second place has to wear it from nine to five.

• 1:22:45Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:22:47Speaker 00

  I think that's fair.

• 1:22:49Speaker 02

  In.

• 1:22:49Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:22:50Speaker 02

  Do we know, yeah, what are the standings right now?

• 1:22:53Speaker 00

  I'm the last, terrible, I can't win. I mean, it doesn't matter, there's so many weeks left.

• 1:22:59Speaker 02

  Max, you're in first place.

• 1:23:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:01Speaker 04

  Correct.

• 1:23:01Speaker 00

  I mean, so many weeks left.

• 1:23:03Speaker 04

  So many weeks left.

• 1:23:04Speaker 00

  Doesn't get serious until like week 10. Then you gotta start paying attention. All right, that sounds good. That's gonna suck for whoever, oh my God. 45 pounds every single day is like,

• 1:23:17Speaker 00

  that's painful.

• 1:23:17Speaker 04

  Ruins, like, at just, you, I will, I will not be going out at Super Bowl.

• 1:23:23Speaker 00

  I'll have to wear a back brace.

• 1:23:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, 45 pounds.

• 1:23:26Speaker 00

  I've gone, I'll have to wear a back brace underneath my shirt to then put on.

• 1:23:29Speaker 04

  Probably lose some, lose some LBs during Super Bowl week.

• 1:23:32Speaker 00

  Probably get really, really hurt.

• 1:23:33Speaker 04

  Or that.

• 1:23:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the thing is like, you got, you got back injuries like me and Big Cat do, that's actually.

• 1:23:40Speaker 00

  I might just go wheelchair.

• 1:23:41Speaker 02

  I think you should have the option.

• 1:23:43Speaker 00

  Wheelchair and.

• 1:23:44Speaker 02

  You should have the option of taking it down to, cause I still kinda like the idea of, of doing the Dejounte Love Instagram takeover. Where you make it look like you're an NFL player.

• 1:23:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  And you commit to it. If you wanna take it down to 25, you should have to do that.

• 1:24:00Speaker 00

  But you have to do the Dejounte Love with that.

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:03Speaker 00

  Yeah. Okay. Okay. All right, Zach, was that your hot sequel throne?

• 1:24:08Speaker 05

  Yes, sir.

• 1:24:09Speaker 00

  Okay, let's get to our interview with Eli Manning and then we'll have Ryan Russillo talking college ball after that.

• 1:24:17Speaker 00

  Okay, before we get to our very special guest, King's Hawaiian, it's the absolute best. We got it all out here on the, uh, on the table. You can, listen, it's football season. You can put out chips, you can order pizza, or you can show up with King's Hawaiian sliders. And trust me, people notice the difference. There's something about King's Hawaiian slider buns that takes a game day spread to another level. They're soft, sweet and built for everything from barbecue brisket sliders to pulled pork and buffalo chicken. A table full of King's Hawaiian sliders is always a win. King's Hawaiian, the best slider in football. I'm gonna go off script for a second. My personal favorite. I go King's Hawaiian slider, uh, couple pieces of fresh turkey, maybe throw in a potato chip. That's the best snack out there. I had it for lunch today.

• 1:25:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:02Speaker 00

  I, I saw the King's wine here, I ordered some turkey, it was like, boom, slider, slider heaven. So King's wine is available in the deli or bakery section of major grocery stores nationwide. Just look for the orange packaging. Also, kids love it. My kids, I, I put a King's Hawaiian roll in their lunch every day. It's the perfect, perfect, uh, slider for football, for kids, for everything. So go get King's Hawaiian today. Available in the deli or bakery section of major grocery stores nationwide. Just look for the orange packaging. Okay. We now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is our good friend Eli Manning. I think the third or fourth time you've been on the show, uh, here with King's Hawaiian. The debate is that you're a better slider than King's wine. That can't possibly be true.

• 1:25:46Speaker 04

  Well, that's what I'm debating. I think the, we, you know, after years and years of debating this and lawyer fees and everything, we finally, you know, agreed upon that I'm a better slider on the field. King's Hawaiian makes better sliders off the field. But really, during this whole process, we've come to realize that, you know, quarterback sliding is very important. It's important to the game of football, it's important to keeping quarterbacks safe. But it's not an official stat. No one is keeping track of quarterback slides. So we are doing a petition. We have a, uh, a, you know, a, a slider petition. Um, and that, you know, it should be an official stat. I mean, if we're, if we're keeping track of how many targets a receiver.

• 1:26:27Speaker 05

  Has like, how many times we're just throwing at a receiver? Why aren't we keeping uh stats of quarterback slide? So you can go to uh www dot um you know QB uh best QB uh best slider in football. Sorry, www dot best slider in football. Sign up for a petition, you know, and you have a chance to win Kings of Wine Rolls for life.

• 1:26:47Speaker 00

  You know what this opens us up to though, and we've talked about this before. We need to start tracking the self sack.

• 1:26:53Speaker 05

  The self, oh, the self.

• 1:26:54Speaker 00

  You were, you were elite. You were the best in it. When you're like, oh no, there's two defensive linemen coming down. I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna crumple into a ground.

• 1:27:02Speaker 05

  It's like the slide. It's like, it's kind of the, it's like, you don't have to be running the slide. You can slide at any point. It's like going down.

• 1:27:09Speaker 00

  You're the greatest self-sacker of all time.

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  These sliders could ever put themselves in a sack? I don't think so.

• 1:27:14Speaker 00

  That's true.

• 1:27:14Speaker 02

  You can.

• 1:27:15Speaker 00

  You, you self-sack the best of them.

• 1:27:17Speaker 05

  Thank you. Thank you. Now you're, you're on my, you're on my side.

• 1:27:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I actually think Kyler Murray, his slides.

• 1:27:22Speaker 05

  He's got a good slide. He's a baseball guy.

• 1:27:24Speaker 02

  He slides and then, but he, he can just like immediately pop up.

• 1:27:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:27:27Speaker 02

  It almost takes a knee on the run.

• 1:27:29Speaker 05

  I think that's, I don't, I don't agree with that. I think that's very dangerous. Uh, the, the part of the slide and honestly, I, I think about it with, with quarterbacks. Is you gotta slide and then you gotta turn. So if someone does hit you, you don't just get taken to the, to the, a shot to the face and get knocked out. You saw it with Dante Moore the other day in Oregon. Like he, he's sliding, tries to be safe, but if you're sliding like head up, chest up. If someone, like the point of sliding is not to take a hit. You're not trying to get hit and get 15 yards. Like I don't want to get hit and get knocked out. So you gotta slide and turn, give your back to the defense. So even if you do get hit, you're not to get.

• 1:28:05Speaker 00

  Dante Moore didn't slide, by the way, according to the USC uh play-by-play guy. I don't know if you saw that clip.

• 1:28:10Speaker 05

  I saw that, yeah.

• 1:28:11Speaker 00

  They, they turned his body around.

• 1:28:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:28:14Speaker 02

  He just got hit so hard.

• 1:28:15Speaker 05

  That was bad. That was bad.

• 1:28:16Speaker 02

  That was pretty bad. But no, you make a great point. We were just talking about this last week that sometimes when quarterbacks do slide, they almost put themselves in a more dangerous position.

• 1:28:24Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:28:24Speaker 02

  Then if they dive at the opponent, like Lamar Jackson, he'll dive at your, at your feet, at your shins.

• 1:28:29Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 1:28:30Speaker 02

  Saves himself, but if you do the slide correctly, where you slide and turn, that's a great point.

• 1:28:35Speaker 05

  Slide and turn. It's the same rate, kind of when you run out of bounds. You see a lot of quarterbacks or players that go out of bounds. And then they like relax right when they step out of bounds and they get blown up. It's like, no, you gotta accelerate like two yards out of bounds. And that was the whole, like, I, I just, you know, that was my take is like, I don't want the extra hit. It's not worth the 15 yards for me to get blown up. Whether sliding or whether running out of bounds. So you gotta be, you gotta be good at that.

• 1:28:59Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. So can we talk some ball?

• 1:29:00Speaker 05

  Let's talk ball.

• 1:29:01Speaker 00

  You want to talk college first?

• 1:29:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:03Speaker 00

  All right. Uh, if Ole Miss plays Texas in a playoff game, who are you rooting for?

• 1:29:09Speaker 05

  You know what? Uh, this is the way I look at it. I look, I mean, Ole Miss has not played Texas in, in, in a few weeks.

• 1:29:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:15Speaker 05

  In the regular season. I, you, you root for your family. You know, I, I have basically, you know, maybe two years to root for my nephew in college.

• 1:29:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:26Speaker 05

  And then, and, and so you, you know, I'm not, for those two years, you know, or maybe it's the last year, whatever happens. I'm gonna root for my, my nephew to win every single game that he plays in. And that's just the way it is. And then after that, you know, Texas. Yeah, well, I won't care about him that much. I'll, you know, Ole Miss will be a hundred percent. I root for Ole Miss to win every other game, probably besides a little bit that one.

• 1:29:48Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, that one, actually, you could just go into it being like, I'm gonna win one way or the other. Cause like if Texas loses, you could just be like, good, good game, Arch.

• 1:29:56Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:29:56Speaker 00

  Nice Ole Miss.

• 1:29:57Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 1:29:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, you play the winner. Yeah.

• 1:29:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:29:59Speaker 00

  Or you just.

• 1:30:00Speaker 05

  It's fine, but I think it's just, that's just the way it is. Hey.

• 1:30:02Speaker 00

  That makes sense.

• 1:30:03Speaker 05

  This is a kid I've known, you know, since he was born. We, I've, I've played football with him. I've, you know, done drills with him. I've taught him the game of football. He's, he's my. You know, my brother's son. He's like, you know, he's family. And so you, you root for family in, in these scenarios. It's bigger than your college. It's bigger than where you went. It, it is your, your blood and, and, and so I'm gonna support him a hundred percent on his football journey for the rest of his life.

• 1:30:27Speaker 02

  I think, I think you flip it on him and you say, I want you guys to battle over my affection. Whoever wins.

• 1:30:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:30:32Speaker 02

  They get, they get Eli.

• 1:30:34Speaker 05

  Put some, yeah, you know, put some, some stakes on this.

• 1:30:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:30:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. Why not do that? But no, it's been, it's been fun to watch him progress. How often do you check in or do you kind of, do you keep your distance and you're like, I'll give you any advice if you want it? Or you feel active?

• 1:30:46Speaker 05

  I, I think that's, that's, that's the game plan is, you know, if, if there's really, you know, advice that he's looking for, he, he, he knows. I'm, I'm a text away or a call away. I'm happy to give anything. And he does that some during the season. You don't get a whole lot during the season. And if there's a certain. You know, a great throw that I, I recognize in the game, I'll save that for after the game. Hey, great game. You know, you stayed patient, uh, didn't force things. And then uh, hey, the, the out to Coleman uh in the third quarter, like that was a mighty throw. Boom. And, and you're out. So just kind of a, hey, good game. You know, good, you know, just some, just a little check in text to uh, to how it's, how it's going.

• 1:31:24Speaker 00

  What about uh, have you given him any advice? Like, don't ever make jokes in press conferences ever again? Cause we were joking after like, listen, they're, he's still a kid. Like he's what? 21 years old?

• 1:31:34Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:31:34Speaker 00

  And then the next press conference, he gave like one word answers. We're like, uh-oh.

• 1:31:38Speaker 05

  Well.

• 1:31:39Speaker 00

  Peyton and Eli got to him. Yeah, they told him like, hey, never say anything and you'll be good.

• 1:31:43Speaker 05

  Don't be funny with the media. Don't try to be funny. Don't try to, you know.

• 1:31:47Speaker 00

  Wait till after your playing career.

• 1:31:49Speaker 05

  Exactly. Doesn't matter. So I think that's, that was the idea is like, yeah, he's feeling good. Hey, you, you know, he beat Ohio State. He's feeling relaxed. There's all the stuff's going on. Hey, I can be funny with these guys and you, yeah, you gotta, you, you give him a little window. You give him an edge. Boom, they jump on.

• 1:32:05Speaker 00

  We hate, we always uh, make this point. We hate that there's this uh, like double edged sword with the media where. The media wants the players to be honest and open in themselves.

• 1:32:15Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 1:32:16Speaker 00

  And then they, minute they do that, we're like, ah, how could he say that? It's like, well, no, I, I would rather, like, yeah, guys can, people can make mistakes. I'd rather them be open and tell us how they're feeling and make jokes than just be like constant cliches. They didn't get criticized for that.

• 1:32:30Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:32:30Speaker 00

  So it's not fair.

• 1:32:31Speaker 05

  It's not fair. Not fair. And that's just part of learning, being a quarterback, being in the spotlight, doing interviews. Like you're gonna make more mistakes and, and that's. Like you're, you're gonna have to learn how to, you know, hey, when someone messes up and it's like their fault, but their fault, but you're gonna have to take the blame for it. And you're gonna have to take credit for that. You're gonna have to, you know, that's just part of being the quarterback. You're gonna, you know, be in awkward, you know, situations and try not to call out people. And you're, you're gonna mess up sometimes and you, you just gotta learn from it and, and move on.

• 1:33:01Speaker 00

  It was perfectly done by you guys because it was like the Godfather two, when they flew in the uncle from Italy in, in, in the court scene and he just sits there and everyone just shuts up. That was basically what happened to Arch.

• 1:33:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're still do this. Like, once a quarterback, always a quarterback. So do you accept, do you apologize for sending him funny memes?

• 1:33:20Speaker 05

  Do I, do I, do I apologize to him?

• 1:33:22Speaker 00

  It was you sending that meme, right?

• 1:33:24Speaker 05

  It was a funny meme.

• 1:33:26Speaker 00

  I'm a quarterback. You're gonna send a meme.

• 1:33:27Speaker 05

  Isn't that what memes are? It's supposed to be funny. You're supposed to laugh. Everybody saw it and yeah, it's like so outrageous.

• 1:33:33Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:33:33Speaker 05

  You can laugh at, you know, certain things. Are we, are we allowed to laugh at memes, aren't we?

• 1:33:37Speaker 02

  Did you ever get sick though of uh, of like taking responsibility for stuff that absolutely wasn't your fault? Like that guy ran the wrong route, but I have to go in front of the media and be like, uh, yeah, that's my fault. I, that's a bad throw.

• 1:33:48Speaker 05

  I think you just gotta, like, that's, that's part of the quarterback position. You gotta have the broad shoulders and you just understand the longer you do it. You get a better understanding that you're gonna have to take blame for things that aren't your fault. And you're probably gonna get credit. For things when, when things go well, that aren't necessarily to, you know, you should be getting credit for. So you're gonna get too much credit, too much blame. And that, that's just the quarterback position. And you gotta understand what's best for the team. And hey, we got a, a young receiver messed up. I'm gonna, I'm gonna kind of earn some points here. I'm gonna take, I'm, I'm gonna say, hey, you know, we gotta communicate better. Uh, you know, I gotta make a better throw. We gotta work on this.

• 1:34:28Speaker 05

  Hey, I'm not gonna throw this guy under the bus. And now you start building, hey, you know, afterwards, hey, I took care of you. Now you gotta pay it back. You gotta, you gotta take care of me on the field. We gotta not do that again. Don't repeat that mistake and we gotta get better. And you're gonna have my back. Cause I'm gonna throw a bad pass one time in a game and I can't you, have you put your hands up and like, I was open. Like we don't do that either. So it goes, it goes hand in hand.

• 1:34:51Speaker 02

  Or maybe if a, a wide receiver makes a spectacular one-handed catch on an absolute bomb that you threw, maybe every now and then you'd be like, that was a great pass though.

• 1:34:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:34:58Speaker 02

  Would not have made that catch if it wasn't for that perfect pass.

• 1:35:00Speaker 05

  It was a double move. It was like a comeback and go. If he would have actually run a better comeback and sold the double move, he would have been wide open. We wouldn't have walked in this, but.

• 1:35:10Speaker 02

  He'd be still running.

• 1:35:11Speaker 05

  I have a skill. It's, it's really amazing. I have a skilled of throwing the ball like just bad enough where guys can make great catches. It's, it's really an art. I, I, you know, I've done it. We have a lot of practice. Tyree, Manningham, Odell. It's a, it's a skill.

• 1:35:24Speaker 00

  Do you?

• 1:35:24Speaker 05

  Just out of the reach where they can have the opportunity.

• 1:35:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:28Speaker 05

  I want them to get on, you know, be on highlight reels. That's my goal.

• 1:35:31Speaker 00

  When you're uh, when you're throwing around the ball with, with your kids or your nephews or whatever, nieces, do you ever have like a, a day where you're like, oh shit, I still got it? Like this feels awesome. Do you have that every now and then? You're like, man, ball's flying out of my hands.

• 1:35:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, you know, just, just this, this past Sunday on uh, yeah, my first, first and second grade flag football team. I was running a couple out and ups. Kids could not stop it. The defender, they fell for the out and up every single time.

• 1:35:56Speaker 00

  Wait, your quarterback of the flag football?

• 1:35:59Speaker 05

  Uh, I'm not, I'm just, I'm just doing some drills. Like as, as the real team's playing on the field, I'm on the side.

• 1:36:04Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 1:36:05Speaker 05

  And I'm just doing some one-on-ones.

• 1:36:06Speaker 00

  Cause that would be awesome. Cause I know they do have like flag football leagues where like parents are quarterbacks.

• 1:36:12Speaker 05

  No, I would love that. I'd be all about that.

• 1:36:13Speaker 00

  That would be incredible.

• 1:36:15Speaker 05

  I, I've been just now getting the speed, you know, this, the second and third grade speed, I can get it. Cause they're not stopping right when I throw every time. That's usually like when you're in first grade, I'm like, all right, go deep. And right when I throw, they're like, oh, and you stop.

• 1:36:27Speaker 00

  Ball, yeah.

• 1:36:28Speaker 05

  Yeah. So now they're, they're staying on the move. They can actually, I can like kind of draw the plays on my.

• 1:36:33Speaker 00

  Shirt and on my chest do this, they can kind of do it right and, and the double moves unstoppable. We need, we need the Giants to get back to a point where it's like, this is like a new fad where we saw Drew Brees say he was thinking about playing for the Broncos last year in the AFC Championship game. Philip Rivers for the Niners. We need, we need to get a, yeah, Eli actually was thinking about coming back for a game. Like he was, he was, he was contemplating it. Zero, zero, zero chance, zero chance. You, you know, there's no way you can come back like when I go for a, a workout or I go for a run and, and like, uh, after seven minutes of running, my calf just like explodes and, and like, you know, if I try to do any burst movement, like everything would, would fall off.

• 1:37:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. But on the same time, like you see Philip Rivers and you're like, maybe Joe Flacco, he's still playing. Flacco's still doing, I think once, like it's impressive with Rivers, cause once you stop getting hit, like that's the hardest part. Like I don't want to get, like, I didn't want to get hit that much when I played. I definitely do not want to get hit right now and, and get injured. Like injury, as you get older, like you play, you start playing like pickleball or you play any sport, the whole, the whole philosophy of the sport is don't get injured playing this. So like, I'm not going to burst for that ball. Now, you know, you go back into playing football and everybody around you, you can't really have that mentality. Adult injuries are really pathetic.

• 1:37:54Speaker 02

  They are.

• 1:37:54Speaker 00

  It's bad. You can't, you just can't, if you're, if you're an adult walking around in a walking boot, you're a loser. We can't have that. Yeah.

• 1:38:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. Somehow like it'll never heal and you're in a walking boot.

• 1:38:03Speaker 00

  And then you gotta tell the story. Like, how, how did you do it? I was playing like, you know, indoor soccer.

• 1:38:09Speaker 02

  I was leaving a pizza restaurant.

• 1:38:11Speaker 00

  It's embarrassing. At least you say playing football, like tackle in a football, you get injured. Tried to dunk. That's what you need to say.

• 1:38:17Speaker 02

  So there's no part of you that, that even a little bit misses the contact? That misses like getting hit just a little bit?

• 1:38:23Speaker 00

  I don't want to be sore. I don't want to get hit. I don't want to be, it's, that's, that's, as you get older, like you take a hit to the quad and you get like a thigh contusion, like that, that sucks. It's like, it's brutal. It's not fun at all.

• 1:38:37Speaker 02

  At some point when you're, yeah, there's a, a difference when you're young and, and you're sore, it feels kind of good. It feels good to be sore.

• 1:38:42Speaker 00

  You can handle it.

• 1:38:43Speaker 02

  And then at some point, it's just like, I really don't want to feel that ever again.

• 1:38:46Speaker 00

  It also.

• 1:38:46Speaker 02

  Cause you're sore when you wake up, once you reach a certain age.

• 1:38:48Speaker 00

  A thousand percent. Yeah. You wake up, you're like, why is my back hurt? Why does my knee hurt? And, and when you're young, you heal so much faster. It's like a day and it's like, oh, it's, it's gone. And when you're older, it's, it's a week. It's not like, it's not a 50%, it's like a 200% worse.

• 1:39:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. Is there a, is there a quarterback that's playing right now that you look at and, um, you, you just see that player and you're like, that guy's got a little Manning in him.

• 1:39:11Speaker 00

  Ooh, a little, um, well, I always, I always kind of said it about Baker Mayfield, just cause like, he wasn't scared to throw three interceptions. Uh, I, I could, you know, he was gonna, he was gonna throw it. He was gonna sling it. He probably runs around a little bit more than, than I did, but I think just that like, you know, hey, he, he's, he's gonna let it rip. Um, and so. Yeah. We like our quarterbacks to throw in a couple of interceptions.

• 1:39:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. Makes you feel alive.

• 1:39:35Speaker 00

  You gotta. Push it down there. You know, take some shots. Give you guys an opportunity. I think, a lot of it's, hey, I, I trust my receivers and I know, hey, I'm gonna throw it, I'm gonna throw it to you. I'm gonna give you a chance and you gotta have my back. You, you know, hopefully don't let them intercept it, but if you knock it out a few times or you'll get it, you fight for it. And you know, sometimes it gets tipped and it gets intercepted. We're not talking those, but if you kind of have my back and don't let it get intercepted, I'll keep throwing it to you. What about, what about a coach? Is there a coach coaching right now? You're like, I would have loved to play for that guy? Um, you know, Mike McDaniel, I think what he's doing in Seattle, just, I, you know, and, and I remember last year talking to, uh, you know, to them, you know, kind of late in the season, you know, Sam Darnold was playing well, but he was, he did have a lot of interceptions.

• 1:40:18Speaker 00

  He had turnovers and the philosophy was like, keep ripping it, keep throwing it, keep being aggressive. And, and this is how, this is our offense. This is what we're doing. We're gonna run it. We'll be good on defense. And we need, we need the, the explosive plays. So keep pushing it down the field. Now, you know, don't force it. Don't like, you know, there, there's a, there's a, there's a happy medium there, but he didn't want to, want him to get, uh, gun shy. That's like the worst thing as, you know, he's a defensive minded coach. If you just like harp on your quarterback not making mistakes, your quarterbacks can't play that way. You can't play, you know, hey, just trying not to screw up. It, it just, it throws off your whole psyche. So I think he gets it. And, and so I think he's fired up. He gets his, his guys to play hard and, and seems to have a great demeanor.

• 1:41:03Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. He's also like, he's an interesting guy. We interviewed him, uh, last, uh, February. He's kind of a nerd, but he like, is okay with it. And, and like, I respect it because he kind of understood, he's not trying to be something he's not. Correct. And it's like, I think people just, you can tell me, but like, when it comes to like a leader of men, it's like, the leader of men probably is a little overrated. It's, is the coach putting you in a position to win? Is, are they, are they making you feel like someday you have an advantage over the other team? Yeah. It's, it's a, it's a big trust deal. Do you trust, do you trust this guy? That he's gonna have your back? Is, you know, obviously they have to, you know, is he putting in the work? Is he just having us prepared? And he's doing those things, you, you play hard for him.

• 1:41:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. There's a, there's a way about him that he always gives credit to his players first and foremost. So when we asked him like about all the different schemes that he runs, how confusing it is for the quarterbacks. He just told us like, it's not really that complicated. I just try to put my best players in a position where they can do the things that they're really good at. But also the way that he's doing it is incredibly intelligent, but he always, he'll never tell you that. Like he'll never puff his chest out and make it about him. There are some coaches that make it about themselves sometimes that are also good coaches, but they have to have that like extra bit of shit to them. An extra bit of intelligence to really make it worthwhile. Like you played for, uh, I mean, obviously Coughlin was, was a guy that I don't know

• 1:42:23Speaker 02

  if, uh, if he ever had like a best buddy type relationship with you. Uh, but the way that he ran the team, it was like, having a person that's, that is that like authority figure? Did he have somebody like, I don't know if the offensive coordinator was this way, but was there like a good cop, bad cop where he was the, the bad guy at the top sometimes and underneath it's like, okay, I'll, I'll talk to like the assistant principal?

• 1:42:43Speaker 00

  No, it was just bad cop, bad cop. He was, he was intense. Uh, and he just had his, he had his, his things. He had his way that were very important. And it just took a couple of years for you to understand and the players understand. You know, just like he had his little, you know, hey, you gotta be five minutes early for every meeting and that's like every meeting.

• 1:43:03Speaker 02

  That's actually late.

• 1:43:04Speaker 00

  On, on, on game, like on practice days and the hotels, like everything, five minutes early and like you just dealt with it. He, he wanted everybody to look the same at practice. He didn't want some guys having cutoff jerseys, some guys high socks, some guys, he's like, we, we, we're a team or a uniform, you know, let's, let's look the same. The, you know, he wanted people to, you know, when we get on the plane, we wanted everybody in suit and tie. Like he wanted, he had his things that he was, you know, very just like, you know, not concerned with, but just his rules. And if he did those rules and it was like three or four things, if you worked hard at practice and you like football, he didn't have a problem with you. And as a professional athlete, you're thinking like, oh, that shouldn't be that hard. Like I can wear my socks a certain way. It doesn't matter. Like I didn't care. I love football and I'll work hard.

• 1:43:49Speaker 00

  And, and we had a great relationship. And, and, and then, you know, after like two or three years, I was a, you know, I was a rookie when I came in. So like, hey, I, as the other guys came in, I said, you know, even before he had the opportunity to, to tell the guys about, hey, this is what we do on practice is wear your socks this way, or just be early and, and just, you know, wear, get a, get a suit for, for the games. Cause we wear suits. We look at, we, we, we go as a team. We're gonna look good as a team. And so they're like, I just bought into it. That was like the rules of the team. And so it, you know, it became more player driven eventually. It wasn't all coming from him. And, and, and, you know, he was fine. He was, he worked hard. He was passionate about it and he got us ready to play.

• 1:44:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. Can I say, uh, your, your plan for the Hall of Fame is working perfectly? Which is what? What is my plan? Yeah. Like I think, and I mean this in all due respect, I think you're a Hall of Famer. So I, let's start with that. I think if you've gotten in like the first or second time, there would have been a lot of people being like, this is crazy. Now you're getting to the point where everyone's like, Eli Manning was way better than people realized. So you're like, the, the, the legend is growing. You're gonna get in, but I know what you're doing. Good job. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. It's been a ma- a master plan. It's gonna happen. I mean, it is. Like you can't, two Super Bowls, like it's, it's for the amount of time, like years you played, it's gonna happen. And I think that people are realizing, cause like the internet's so stupid where it's like,

• 1:45:14Speaker 00

  if someone gets something right away, everyone wants to tear them down, but it's like, once it passed a couple of times, like, oh yeah, like, what are we doing? Eli Manning is a Hall of Famer. Like this is stupid. Well, thank you. Yeah. And we got you.

• 1:45:25Speaker 02

  It would be absolutely incredible if it was like Belichick and you get in. Yeah. That would be.

• 1:45:30Speaker 00

  Would it be Belichick, Brady and Eli? I don't know when Brady's up. Did Brady? Brady's got maybe a few more. He might have one more year. Yeah.

• 1:45:37Speaker 02

  But yeah, if you, that same class, that's what I would like to see as a fan.

• 1:45:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. And the fact that, yeah, Belichick didn't get in last year. I mean, that also, yeah, that, that was part of your plan too. Yeah. Yeah. And make sure Belichick doesn't get in. We talked about this. We don't want to go in together as a, as a team. We're tandem. I know those things too, like the Hall of Fame. I, I don't know why we, we let sports writers decide it. Like players should decide it. Right. It should be the guys that played and they should like, I don't know. It's just always so silly to me. It's like, how do, how do a bunch of sports writers sit in a room and they're like, yeah, Belichick is in a Hall of Famer?

• 1:46:11Speaker 02

  It's cause we're, it's cause we're important. Is there any, is there any football writer or a member of the media whose opinion you would trust over like a, a general manager that had spent 10 years in the NFL?

• 1:46:21Speaker 00

  Good question.

• 1:46:22Speaker 02

  Like, does anybody actually know their shit?

• 1:46:24Speaker 00

  Yeah. No, there's, there's definitely guys that know their stuff and, and, you know, I don't know, like, yeah, if there's one, one, one.

• 1:46:30Speaker 05

  Writer out there that I would could name out that's like, oh, this is the most knowledgeable guy around football. I mean, they, they, they watch the games, they're, they're involved. And, and so, you know, but yeah, obviously you get a, you get a GM, you get, you know, coaches, you know, I mean, coaches would probably be the best people.

• 1:46:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, actually, that's true. That's true.

• 1:46:49Speaker 05

  Vote. I mean, they're the ones watching the game film of other players, offense and defense and being like, this guy's.

• 1:46:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, we have to change our, our tire strategy for him.

• 1:46:59Speaker 05

  We got a game plan for this guy. This guy is a game wrecker and, and you're spent, you're like losing hours of sleep or you're, or you, you, yeah, you think you have this master plan. This is what we're going to stop and we're putting this plan to slow this guy down. And he puts up, you know, 500 yards passing or he runs, you know, for 200 yards rushing. And you're like, all right, we don't have an answer for this guy. Like that's, that's, I mean, coaches would probably be the best source for these things.

• 1:47:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I would agree with that. Would you, um, would you give up one of your Super Bowl rings if every year that you played in the NFL, the Giants automatically double digit wins every single year?

• 1:47:35Speaker 05

  Oh, going forward, you're saying?

• 1:47:38Speaker 02

  No, no, no, over your career.

• 1:47:39Speaker 05

  Oh, would I give up a Super Bowl ring for if I, you know, so then 16 years of playing, all 16 years, we had double digit wins.

• 1:47:47Speaker 00

  10 plus wins.

• 1:47:48Speaker 05

  Who? Um, that's, that's actually a pretty good question.

• 1:47:51Speaker 02

  Pretty good question.

• 1:47:52Speaker 05

  That'd be nice. I mean, it'd be nice. Yeah. I mean, double digit wins. You're making the playoffs most likely every single year.

• 1:47:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:00Speaker 05

  But you only win one championship. You're, you know, um,

• 1:48:02Speaker 02

  I won't ask you which ring.

• 1:48:03Speaker 05

  I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take the championships.

• 1:48:05Speaker 00

  Two rings.

• 1:48:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's probably fair. That's probably fair.

• 1:48:07Speaker 05

  That's the goal.

• 1:48:08Speaker 02

  They're pretty good championships.

• 1:48:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:48:10Speaker 02

  Like if you had to pick two to have, those are, those are the best ones. You, you guys had some great, even as a Redskins fan at the time.

• 1:48:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:48:17Speaker 02

  I found myself rooting for the Giants in those games.

• 1:48:19Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, I think during that time, you know, the Patriots have won so much. If you weren't a Patriots fan, you were kind of against the Patriots. You didn't, you didn't like them. So, and if you're part of like, in, in the AFC, you definitely didn't like them. So we attracted a lot of those, those fans.

• 1:48:34Speaker 00

  Yeah. Do you think, uh, do you think Mahomes is all the way back?

• 1:48:37Speaker 05

  I think so. I think, I mean,

• 1:48:40Speaker 00

  It feels like the Chiefs have that aura again.

• 1:48:41Speaker 05

  The Chiefs are playing good. Obviously, you know, just the, you know, getting the run game going and having that, that's an open to play action. Uh, you know, terrible about Thornton, their receiver, you know, but I think, um, yeah, I mean, I think the fact, I mean, that's, that's kind of what you need. I think as, as you get like a quarterback, you get a little older, you get a defense that's playing well and a run game, like then you put Mahomes, like this is where he can be his best. If he is still kind of, you know, coming back from injury, don't like have him throwing it 50 times and scrambling around every time. Like let him control the game. Let him be a little bit more selective and hey, when, when are we going to push the ball down the field and, and let him manage the game because he's a smart player. He can do those things. He can make all the throws

• 1:49:22Speaker 05

  and, and hopefully that'll keep games close. And then you get those close games, he's still going to be great in the two minute drive. He'll run when he needs to. And that's how you keep him healthy for the season.

• 1:49:32Speaker 00

  It feels like that's kind of what the Bills are missing a little bit where it's like they've, they've been in spots. I mean, their defense does not look good this year.

• 1:49:38Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:49:39Speaker 00

  And then you put it on Josh where he's got to be almost perfect every game.

• 1:49:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:49:43Speaker 00

  Didn't have a great game on Sunday. It's like, okay, like, so he has to do it all every game.

• 1:49:47Speaker 05

  Right. I mean, the quarterback has to be like on fire every game to win. It's tough. I mean, you could, yeah, obviously I think Josh is, is the best quarterback in the NFL right now. And, and what he is skill set and be able to run and make the throws and, and be just a fourth quarter guy and, and throughout the whole game can take over a game. But you're, you're, there's a lot on his shoulders and it's tough to do that week in and week out. And it's tough to do that. You know, though I assume they'll probably make the playoffs, but four games in a row in the playoffs against good teams, like you're going to have a tough game. You know, not that you play bad, but you know, teams are going to stop you. They'll have a game plan. They'll make some plays and it's just, it's, that's, that's what makes it tough, you know, for, for that to, to win a championship, even though I picked,

• 1:50:31Speaker 05

  I picked them and they have, you know, his, and the Bills to win the, win the AFC championship every year.

• 1:50:36Speaker 00

  You're doing the Manning cast for the Super Bowl, right?

• 1:50:38Speaker 05

  We're doing it this year.

• 1:50:39Speaker 00

  So what, what do you got planned? You, you guys have to be in the same room, right?

• 1:50:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, we're going to be in LA together. Peyton and I will be kind of sitting. I don't know if we'll be on the same couch. Like, I don't know if I want him that close to me. Um, but it could, like, it could be interesting. Us together, like, I don't see it going that well. I could see like a.

• 1:50:55Speaker 02

  You guys should do the same couch. Beavis and Butthead.

• 1:50:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:50:58Speaker 00

  Let's speak in a really small couch.

• 1:50:59Speaker 05

  Fight, like, you know, definitely some fighting or like some, you know, a little, a little.

• 1:51:04Speaker 00

  Horseplay.

• 1:51:05Speaker 05

  A noogie might come in.

• 1:51:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:51:07Speaker 05

  Yeah. I'll mess with his hair. He'll get all worried about. He has like a makeup artist in there a lot of times, which I, I don't do makeup. He does like the big makeups. I mean, I don't know what, how that's going to be. It might bother me if she's getting in my way and getting on my notes and stuff.

• 1:51:20Speaker 02

  Do you guys ever find that, um, because we, we do, uh, every Sunday show, we recap the games and it's just myself, Big Cat, Hank and the guys in the booth. We don't have a guest.

• 1:51:29Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:51:30Speaker 02

  For Monday shows. Do you find sometimes in the Manning cast, like you like just when you don't have to worry about the, the interview, you guys are just talking ball?

• 1:51:36Speaker 05

  Yeah. I think it's, uh, it's kind of good to, to, you know, to mix it up. I don't, I like to kind of get through the whole first quarter, no guest. And we can just like go heavy ball. We can do all the preparation that we did and the kind of things we want to show or demonstrations. Like we can get all that out. Like, hey, boom, let's do, let's like, anything we want to do, let's get it done. And then kind of, you know, second quarter, bring in someone football related, you know, give them a little break. Um, and then, and then fourth quarter's kind of, you know, we, we go back and forth. Uh, we usually like to get someone football related fourth quarter, uh, but also someone with a personality just because if it's a good game, you want to stay football. If it's a tough game like last

• 1:52:18Speaker 05

  night, uh, and, and you know, you want, you want someone funny where you can just like, we don't have to talk about the game at all. And we can just kind of deep, you know, go tell funny stories. So that was great to have our, our brother Coop and, um, just kind of just go riff.

• 1:52:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, I got a question for you and you can get heavy ball on this. Actually, I, I'd like if you could get.

• 1:52:36Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 1:52:37Speaker 02

  Heavy ball. Like forget about us being morons. Just talk to us like from your perspective as a quarterback.

• 1:52:42Speaker 00

  But also remember we're morons to say it.

• 1:52:44Speaker 02

  You can say it the real way the first time and then at the end, maybe do one sentence for like a five year old.

• 1:52:49Speaker 05

  Got it.

• 1:52:50Speaker 02

  Um, because we're talking about the Chiefs and the Bills and where you see a big difference in their offense especially is inside the 10 yard line.

• 1:52:57Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:52:58Speaker 02

  Where the, the Bills, it's like Josh Allen is going to run the ball in.

• 1:53:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:53:01Speaker 02

  They don't hand off a lot to their running back. Um, they kind of lack a, a sense of creativity inside the, the five, the 10 yard line. The Chiefs, on the other hand, sometimes get too creative and too cute.

• 1:53:10Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 1:53:11Speaker 02

  They're doing shovel passes to backup tight ends, et cetera, et cetera. Um, can you explain to us as a quarterback, what makes an offense good inside the five yard line, uh, when it comes to passing the football as opposed to an offense that's good everywhere else on the field?

• 1:53:27Speaker 05

  Well, I, I think, uh, you know, a group that's very good at passing inside the, you know, five, 10 yard line. I think you have to have great concepts that, um, you know, that are, that are good versus a lot of different, you know, uh, you know, coverages. And so either you got to have great play action. You have to have things that are getting people open. And it's like, hey, this is a deep dive into this is what they do. And usually you're probably calling multiple plays. Like, all right, if they, you know, down here, they play cover three, they go all out, blitz zero, or they'll play cover two. So all right, this is, this is a concept. They play cover three. This guy's going to get open and it's going to create that. And, and so, or you have some play action, uh, you know, if you're

• 1:54:11Speaker 05

  running the ball well. And obviously the quarterback run is, is another weapon that teams have to defend now. And so they're like, all right, how do we play zone and make him hold the ball? But if we play zone, they're going to have a light box and the quarterback can run. So all right, we got to load the box. But now, you know, they're, they're more one on ones outside and we got to defend that. So, I mean, it's just like the more, the more things you can do, whether it's, you know, kind of the play action, the pass game, the run game, the quarterback run. That's four ways you can score. That's hard to defend. Whether if you're just a team that says, hey, we're a great running team. We're going to run the ball down there. And, you know, once they stop the run and you got to go shotgun, if that's not your strength, then, then they can stop. They want you playing shotgun. So if you can score multiple ways, whether it's no, hey, we can only kind of

• 1:54:56Speaker 05

  run the ball or play action, it limits you a little bit. If you can only score two ways instead of four ways.

• 1:55:01Speaker 02

  All right. That's a good answer. What about for a five year old?

• 1:55:03Speaker 05

  Five year old is, you know, yeah, the, the better players you have and, and the, uh, the, the guy who can improv, you know, that's what Josh Allen. It's like, all right, we have these great plays. If they cover it, we have a guy who's just a better athlete than everybody else and go run in and score, then you have a good offense.

• 1:55:19Speaker 02

  Fast man score.

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  Big fast man score.

• 1:55:22Speaker 02

  And what about some heavy ball on, on the Jaguars? Because we love watching that offense. I don't understand exactly what Liam Cohen's done.

• 1:55:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:55:30Speaker 02

  I just know that it works and Trevor Lawrence looks like, uh, the very best version of himself that we saw flashes of in years past. But like, that's just been him. He's been confident for the last season and a half now. Um, so what, what is so tough to defend about his offense?

• 1:55:43Speaker 05

  That's, you know what? I, I, I wish I had, have seen a lot of their offense to, to watch. I know that they're scoring a lot of points. Uh, we did a game last year talking with Liam and he's hard. He's hard on Trevor and like, I think he gets on him about his accuracy, about his footwork. And I think he has been like harped on like the quarterback specific footworks, mechanics, where he's going with the ball, what the read is. And I think he's kind of got like Trevor just dialed in on, this is exactly what you have to do. And this is how we got to do it. And he's bought into it and he's doing it. And it's, it's, you know, you know, kind of putting them in a position to be really efficient. And so, and I think that's the same thing where as a quarterback, if you know exactly

• 1:56:27Speaker 05

  what the read is, and you say, hey, this is, this is what you do. And you're reading one, two, and if that guy's not open, it's either check down or you run. And like that's, you're being taught that and you believe it and you buy into it and you can play that way every single play and don't try to, you know, freelance and get off script, then you're going to be, you're going to be in a, in a great position to be successful. You know exactly what you need to do and you, you can do it. It's, that's, that's usually when you have success in a quarterback, uh, when he's not freelances. And freelancing is like, you can still run and you can still scramble and you can make plays, but it's because you're doing it at the right time and the right moment because they caught, they guarded, you know, they had a better defensive play than what you had offensively. And that happens. That's

• 1:57:08Speaker 05

  going to happen five times a game where no one's open because they have a better call than you do. When you can recognize that early enough to say, now I got to scramble. Now I got to create the play and doing it at the right times, uh, and you're athletic to do that. You know, you got a good quarterback.

• 1:57:23Speaker 00

  Yeah. Have you talked to Jaxson Dart at all?

• 1:57:25Speaker 05

  Talked with him. Yeah. Just been, I kind of text with him more than, than talked to him. But, uh, text, you know, it's kind of text them after the injury, you know, and then text them a little bit, uh, kind of the past week, just kind of telling them, hey, you know, still stay around. Like, you know, your, your young quarterback, stay. I know you got to heal. You got to do your train, you know, your treatment, but be in the meeting rooms, be around. Players like you're still leader. They want to see you, but you gotta keep learning like you gotta be learning this process of watching all these defenses, watches the different ways they're playing Jameis and what our answers are and what you know, what you need to do and what the, what the, get the game plan, practice saying the plays, practice having the game plan. Like these are all things that you know, you're still second year player. You gotta get these reps.

• 1:58:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, don't waste a year.

• 1:58:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, you gotta get these mental reps when you can.

• 1:58:11Speaker 00

  Yeah. Has J J McCarthy reached out to you for reservations yet?

• 1:58:16Speaker 05

  No, not yet. Not yet. Yeah. You gotta, yeah, that's, you gotta play a few games.

• 1:58:19Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:58:20Speaker 05

  Or you gotta be, go through training camp or something. So not yet. I hadn't talked to J J yet. Uh, uh, know him a little bit, but um, yeah, just kind of let him get us, get settled.

• 1:58:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. I saw on the Manning cast last night, you, uh, you, Peyton said something about the refs, uh, saying like, fuck you to the players. And we had that Trey McBride incident.

• 1:58:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:58:40Speaker 00

  I feel like the ref should be able to say whatever they want. Why not? You guys say stuff to the refs, right?

• 1:58:45Speaker 05

  Well, I don't think you're allowed to curse at the ref. So I think that's kind of a, you know, I think those guys got in a little trouble. The refs got into trouble. And you can say like, hey, you know, that was, that was holding or hey, he's grabbing me or that was a face mask, but you can't be like, hey, you know, curse at the ref and do that. That is a penalty. You could get flagged for that.

• 1:59:03Speaker 00

  So here's my idea. Uh, we should have just a designated swear ref where he can say anything to you and you could say anything to him. We mic it up and then we release it on NFL Films every Monday.

• 1:59:14Speaker 05

  I'm down for it. I'm down for that.

• 1:59:16Speaker 00

  Yeah. Cause you know, there's guys who like, want to say whatever they want to say. It's like, go up to that ref.

• 1:59:20Speaker 05

  You can curse.

• 1:59:20Speaker 00

  Say whatever you want. You're not going to get a flag. Get it. And then he could say it back to you.

• 1:59:25Speaker 05

  We can get a fine jar. You just kind of, every curse word, throw some money in there.

• 1:59:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:59:29Speaker 05

  It goes to charity.

• 1:59:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. Can you hurt this ref's feelings without swearing? That's actually the challenge.

• 1:59:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. Or what if, what if they gave players flags? So if a ref cussed at a player, you can, you can throw a flag on them.

• 1:59:41Speaker 05

  I don't like that.

• 1:59:41Speaker 00

  Call your own foul.

• 1:59:42Speaker 05

  I think we're getting a little out there, boys.

• 1:59:44Speaker 02

  All right. All right. I won't tell you the idea I had about letting the ref kiss you if he cusses at you. That's another good idea. You want to hear?

• 1:59:51Speaker 00

  Um, all right. Uh, Eli, this has been awesome. We got one last question from the booth.

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  Yeah.

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  Gone. Uh, all right, Zach, go ahead. Uh, how we doing? Sorry. I did have a quick question for you. Uh, you do come from a family of a bunch of guys who can absolutely spin the football, but I want to know if it's cool to you, who, who gets to play all time quarterback at Thanksgiving? Like who is the, who's on the field?

• 2:00:56Speaker 05

  Well, um, Peyton would try, like Peyton wants to be in control. Like that, that's his, that's his deal. He wants to, uh, control it all, but you know, he, he just can't throw it like he used to. So I think he, he's going to get benched. Um, I think it'd be like, I'd probably quarterback one side and have, have little Arch, you know, handle the, the quarterbacking on the other side. Peyton would probably, you know, he could be offensive coordinator.

• 2:01:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:01:20Speaker 05

  He can call some plays. He'll try to be audible, audible and, and doing that. Um, so I think that's, I think that would be like the, the, the teams right now.

• 2:01:28Speaker 00

  That's a nice way of saying your brother has a noodle arm.

• 2:01:31Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's just, you know, hey, he's, he's old now. He's old. He's had some neck injuries.

• 2:01:34Speaker 00

  He's got noodle arm.

• 2:01:35Speaker 05

  Yeah. He just can't, he can't, uh, you know, he can't sling it like he used to.

• 2:01:39Speaker 00

  Oh, I actually have one last question. Zach, did you have a follow-up? Uh, yeah, we can do a quick follow-up. Uh, I guess you were saying the Arch would be on the other side of the field. Uh, is there a current NFL team you think, uh, now or in the near future that maybe Arch can make the most impact on?

• 2:01:52Speaker 05

  Ooh. Yeah. I mean, uh.

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  Could be any team.

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  By the way, this is not draft related. This is not, I mean, Arch might not even be in the NFL next year. We don't know that.

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  We don't know. We don't know.

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  But if he were to be, which, which team I wonder?

• 2:02:08Speaker 05

  Well, there, there's, there's, uh, there's, there's two ways I look at this. Um, from a purely, uh, selfish reasons, I wouldn't mind if he went to the Jets.

• 2:02:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:02:21Speaker 05

  Just because I live, I live right there. I can go to games.

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  Yeah.

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  I could have dinner. I could have dinner with them during the week a little bit. Like, you know, he would, I think it'd be great for, you know, hey, him to have some family nearby. Um, so like, I wouldn't mind him going to the Jets, being up in New York and, and, uh, you know, help, you know, Rauf over here smiling right now. My Kings Hawaiian guy, big Jets guy. So, uh, you know, yeah. So that's just my selfish reasons. I think he could help him.

• 2:02:47Speaker 00

  So in which team is Cooper going to block him going to?

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  I can't, I don't.

• 2:02:53Speaker 00

  You know, that's just going to be people's like saying that. Yeah.

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  No blocking.

• 2:02:56Speaker 00

  So my, my follow-up question was, uh, have you ever had a conversation with Peyton that he did like the greatest service to every young quarterback in the history of the NFL by throwing so many interceptions in his first year?

• 2:03:08Speaker 05

  It's amazing.

• 2:03:08Speaker 00

  That literally any quarterback can suck their first year and they'd be like, you know, who threw a lot of interceptions? Peyton Manning. Kind of taking out the context that Peyton Manning was a pretty damn good quarterback and we all knew it was going to figure it out itself out. And he was on a bad team.

• 2:03:21Speaker 05

  Right. You know what? I don't, I, that record will, will not be broken again because, because now if you threw, you know, any, if any quarterback threw 28 interceptions, if any quarterback threw 10 interceptions in their first three games, like he did, like they're getting pulled and they're getting booed and like the coaches getting fired and he's being called a bust. Like no one has any patience now.

• 2:03:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:03:45Speaker 05

  For that. And, and so like, I just still think it's happening, but yeah, I think it's, you know, it is great that the quarterbacks come in like, hey, you can throw a few interceptions.

• 2:03:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:03:55Speaker 05

  It's fine. You'll never break Peyton's record.

• 2:03:57Speaker 00

  He bought everyone a second year. Yeah. He bought everyone a second year where it's like, even if you have a terrible rookie year, it's like, well, he could be on Peyton Manning's track.

• 2:04:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. 10 and three games. It's like, it's, you gotta get off to a good start.

• 2:04:09Speaker 00

  Do you remember that? How old were you? Were you in college?

• 2:04:11Speaker 05

  I was in, uh, I was a, uh, I was a senior in high school. I was a junior, a junior in high school.

• 2:04:19Speaker 00

  And what was the conversations like around the house? You're like, damn.

• 2:04:22Speaker 05

  I think he kind of knew is, it was going to be a rough year.

• 2:04:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:04:26Speaker 05

  That's, it's also, I mean, when you, when you're the first pick into the draft, like you were going to a team that sucks.

• 2:04:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:04:34Speaker 05

  They have earned that first pick by being a horrible team the year before. So like all of a sudden you're thrown in there, you're not going to help that much. Like it's going to be, it's going to be tough. And so, I mean, you didn't know it was going to be four interceptions, like every game tough, but, uh, you know, I think it helped being in Indianapolis, like a little smaller market.

• 2:04:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:04:53Speaker 05

  It wasn't like everybody just was ready to turn on them immediately. They're less, you know, it was like, it wasn't, you know, it wasn't even like a, a football town like it is now. Like he turned it into a football town. They're like, all right, well, you know, whatever. He'll, he'll get better. There, it had some patience to it, which was, which was nice.

• 2:05:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. Unlike New York, you played, that's a nice way of saying you played in a much more difficult market.

• 2:05:13Speaker 05

  It would have been, no, it would have been disaster. I mean, I threw, you know, like, I think one interception, my first game and they're like, oh no.

• 2:05:21Speaker 02

  Was Kurt Warner, was he, was he injured for that game?

• 2:05:24Speaker 05

  No, they just, we kind of made a decision. Uh, we were five and four, had to buy a week that, hey, we're going to make kind of go to the young guy. And, uh, at that point we kind of had, had lost a few in a row. We weren't playing great offensively at the time, but it was kind of a bold move by Coughlin just cause, you know, it's like you're five and four, you're still right in the mix. And once you go young quarterback, it's like, all right, like we're not, we're not to deal with the growing pains of this a little bit, probably.

• 2:05:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. I was sure I remember when Kurt Warner, cause he was talking about dislocating his elbow and then going back into the game. That was 2007 though.

• 2:05:59Speaker 05

  Oh, so that would have been with Arizona.

• 2:06:01Speaker 02

  With Arizona. Yeah. I mean, he's a tough guy.

• 2:06:03Speaker 05

  Yeah. He's a tough guy. No, Kurt was great. He was great to play, play with and play under and, and kind of watch out. He conducted himself and, and game planned and, and went through the film and did everything. He was a true professional.

• 2:06:14Speaker 00

  Well, Eli, always great having you here. I think this is two years in a row. Let's do it again next year.

• 2:06:18Speaker 05

  I'm ready.

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  Okay. We now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is our guy, Ryan Rusillo in studio. Uh, go listen to Ryan Rusillo podcast right now. We're here. He's going to, we're going to talk some college ball. I want to throw, actually, you know what? You start.

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  Yeah. Yeah. You start. Biggest, biggest thing you're thinking about after week five of the college football season.

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  Or if you have any life advice questions for us, we'll answer them for you.

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  Why does everyone hate me?

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  I don't know. It's complicated.

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  No, we already covered that one earlier today. We just filmed it in Reese's ad. So we'll see how it goes.

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  Look, college football's, we're the dumbest on this sport than in any of the major sports that we talk about, right? I mean, that was always the way. And now you throw in the transfer portal. Like I've joked, every single preview you read about a new offensive line, the offensive line is always better because it's just, hey, we got, we grabbed three, we got a guy from Arkansas, we got a guy from Wake, like, we're good. And that's a lot of assumptions, what is probably the most important unit in college football, because the quarterbacks are so young and all the stuff that's happening up front. So we know going in, we're the least educated on these teams in this sport. I think we all agree on that. And so you try to figure out like, what's changed? And remember, it was the three Big Ten teams. We didn't know which SCC team would be

• 2:09:53Speaker 05

  at that level with Oregon, Indiana, and Ohio State. And now I'd say five weeks in, it's, it's really, we've say, we can say there's parity, we can say it's wide open. It feels really wide open, in like, an awesome way. So that's where I'm at.

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  The, the best SCC team on any given week is the team that's playing against the best SCC team. So like, if you had, win a big game, your next game, you get knocked off. You get knocked off by whatever that next game is because you're, you're riding high on your own, on all the, the press clippings that come after you.

• 2:10:23Speaker 00

  The guys at Solid Verbal had a funny bit where they were saying it's, it's a Clemson Ponzi scheme, because LSU beat Clemson, got ranked higher, then Ole Miss beat LSU, got ranked higher, then Florida beat Ole Miss, got ranked higher, then Mizzou beat Florida, got ranked higher. So it all goes back to Clemson being terrible, but being like, that brand is still good, right?

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  Yeah, it's, it's, like, I tried to figure that out with the AFC a little bit, because in the beginning, you're like, all right, Chiefs beat Denver, but then Denver beats Jacksonville, and Jacksonville destroys New England. And then you're like, yeah, I actually just think Jacksonville's good. Denver's gotten lucky twice. But, another thing, you know, whether you're caught up in the Big Ten SCC argument, which I've fully caught up into all of the time, the SCC's not had the same results, whether it's the national championships, or just that, you know, usually that Illinois, South Carolina bowl game, or Tennessee, somebody, you're like, hey, you say it was 35 to nothing? And you can get into opt outs or whatever, but the Big Ten's been really good in those games the last couple of years. Illinois has got two wins in two bowl games, where I'm like, all right, you're fun and all, but that's not going to happen. I think that

• 2:11:24Speaker 05

  second tier, whether it was supposed to be Michigan, maybe USC thought they weren't in it. I don't know what Michigan really is, but it feels like it's going to be a little bit more challenging in a good way for those top Big Ten teams, because, look, UCLA's ranked, I don't know, I mean, they're scoring a million points. Wisconsin's way better than people thought they would be. Chip Kelly at Northwestern, which, you know, I just could not believe anybody would actually believe that he would be the Raiders OC and not know what the plays were. That had to be somebody who had hated his guts to have that leak out. And Chip shows up on the scene here in Chicago, and it's just, like, eight tiles, they're scoring 40 a game with that dude?

• 2:12:00Speaker 00

  They're running like, crazy formations, and guys in motion, and running it up your fucking face. Yeah.

• 2:12:06Speaker 05

  So normally, I always looked at like, who the three or four with the expansion, that's obviously a little bit different, but it used to just always be Michigan, Ohio State were so much better than eight of the teams that were going to play. Like, all right, cool, like, we'll see. And now I think that second group in the Big Ten, which is usually that second group in the SCC, like, I think, I think it's better right now, which means we're probably going to maybe have a, a few more surprises. Like, Indiana's been flirting with it here, man.

• 2:12:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, the Rutgers game, definitely, it was the first time they covered all season, was, was on Saturday. But yeah, they have been flirting with, they haven't looked the same. I mean, I think it's fair to say that Hoover's not the same guy as Mendoza. Mendoza was so good.

• 2:12:43Speaker 05

  And I liked Hoover going into this year better than I liked Mendoza going into last

• 2:12:47Speaker 00

  I'd agree with that. The, so here, here is one, big picture one, I wanted to throw your

• 2:12:47Speaker 05

  year.

• 2:12:52Speaker 00

  way, because you did, was it maybe like, two or three years ago, that was really, really smart, and I hadn't heard anyone say it, about like, the unhappiness of NBA players. And just like, it's crazy that there's just so many guys that are unhappy and want to be traded. I think we're getting there with college football. And I, the, the reason why I'm saying that is with the transfer portal and NIL, the volatility year to year, I don't think people are comfortable with. And you have teams, like in Illinois, Illinois, Bielma has gotten that team to a great spot. This year, they look terrible, because you miss on a couple of transfers, the cohesion doesn't work, and the difference between going, you know, eight, nine wins,

• 2:13:34Speaker 00

  and losing to Purdue is like, it can happen like that. Penn State gets Matt Campbell, they're already miserable. Michigan, we don't know, like, they're already kind of miserable. They're, Arkansas, that's a death spiral that's going on. They just hired a guy. So it's like, the, the fanbases, I think, aren't used to the fact that the volatility is going to be so severe year to year, that there's just going to be, like, so many fanbases are so unhappy right now. And I don't know where that's going to go for the sport, but it's something interesting that I've noticed.

• 2:14:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, nothing that I would even think that would disagree, because I think you're right. I mean, I guess I don't know, like, long-term, what it'll mean, because I feel like, you know, there was something, somebody was writing about the other day, it was like, wow, these kids today. It's like, you know, we've done these kids today, a lot of decades in a row. We're on a multi-decade run of going, like, these kids today, because, well, now it's the portal, well, now it's NIL. But before, it used to be like, oh, you know, the guys want to get on SportsCenter. It used to be SportsCenter's fault, that like, guys weren't team players.

• 2:14:38Speaker 02

  Trying to get a top 10.

• 2:14:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, you know how stupid that sounds? Like, that was accepted for a long time, because things didn't move as fast as they do now. But the unhappiness part of it, like, back then, when you were unhappy, you just dealt with it.

• 2:14:53Speaker 00

  Right. But I think the patience, like, everyone wants instant fix. They want,

• 2:14:58Speaker 05

  So Gennady messes it up for everybody.

• 2:14:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, Gennady messes up, like, look at even Arizona State, we love Kenny Dillingham, but like, that, a minute ago, he got paid, and it was like, look at Arizona State, what he's done. They got absolutely smoked by Baylor on Saturday night, and everyone's like, why did we pay this guy? It's like, it's just so fast. And I don't think people realize that instead of, in the past, it was building a program through recruits, and guys come up, and you get, you know, you get the fourth year starters and all that stuff. Now, it's just like, if you don't like your team, next year, they could be better. They could, you know what I mean? It could be one transfer class away. And if you like your team, it could also be one transfer class away from bottoming out. And it's just so severe, where I think college football is one of those sports where it's like, you expect this team, and this team, and this team to

• 2:15:43Speaker 00

  always have eight, nine, 10 wins, and these teams always have four wins. And now it's just all jumbled together, which speaks to the parity.

• 2:15:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, because I wondered when there'd be a correction on some of the NIL stuff, because prior to the NIL, and even though teams were paying guys, there were people that were probably just like, the stigma of it, of like, well, I'm not, I'm not helping out. And now, it's like, in the beginning, it's like, oh, we can start doing this. And I bet you there's some programs out there who couldn't believe the amount of money that they were getting in from people. And I wouldn't like compare it historically, year by year, but in the beginning, it's like, hey, this is something we're doing. So I think the fanbases were probably, I don't have specifics for it, but you can just imagine how it works. Like, say you're some middling program, and then they're going to some boosters that never would have felt comfortable doing anything in the shady way before, and they're going like, all right, yeah, like, and it was almost this, this thing of like, showing up and going, I can't wait to spend money now. Like, this is

• 2:16:36Speaker 05

  going to be exciting. And the problem is, like, yeah, it's just an arms race. You're just spending as much as everybody else is, like,

• 2:16:41Speaker 00

  Every year, you have to keep spending.

• 2:16:43Speaker 05

  Right. So I would think there's some guys, the second time through, when, hey, fuck that. I saw that thing they had on The Athletic, Boston College had 8 million in whatever NIL, and it was the lowest of all the P4. There's like, seven schools that are like, 50, 48 million, north of 50 million.

• 2:17:01Speaker 00

  In Price Underwards, 12 million is a loan.

• 2:17:03Speaker 05

  Right. So, like, what are those meetings like, with Boston College guys?

• 2:17:07Speaker 02

  What, yeah, what results are you expecting to get for your investment at Boston College?

• 2:17:11Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:17:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, do they pitch a booster and go, we've got to get it up to 30 million? And they go, why? So you can win seven games? I'm not fucking doing it.

• 2:17:18Speaker 02

  Or like, Tennessee, they put together that, that massive offer for Nico, when they signed him a couple of years ago. And then sometimes you get a guy that you pay like, $6 million to, and you get absolutely nothing, and he's, he's trying to transfer, like, before the season's over. I feel like if I were one of those boosters, that would be enough for me to say, like, this might not be the best use of my money.

• 2:17:38Speaker 05

  You'd probably never do it again.

• 2:17:39Speaker 02

  Never. Never.

• 2:17:41Speaker 05

  Never. Be like, he, wait, he can kind of, like, whatever it is, but he can just sort of bail on us now?

• 2:17:47Speaker 02

  There's no, like, deliverables for, like, he doesn't have to play?

• 2:17:50Speaker 00

  Right. It's weird, it's weird setup. But I just, yeah, I think, I think the fans have to get more comfortable with how up and down year to year is going to be. And it's not, it's not a linear progression thing. It's more like, one year, we might, I mean, like I said, look at Michigan, like, Kyle Whittingham is an awesome coach. No one disagrees with that.

• 2:18:10Speaker 05

  But it couldn't have gone better for them, considering everything that was happening.

• 2:18:12Speaker 00

  The alternate would be Matt Campbell, who, like, I like Matt Campbell, but whenever you're interviewing, you know, eight guys, then you end up with your ninth, it's probably not going to be exactly what you want.

• 2:18:23Speaker 05

  They dipped, I think they bumped it up a little too, to like, convince him to get out of there, but go ahead.

• 2:18:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, right. So it's just, it's just interesting to see, I, I don't know if it's maybe a lack of patience, but like,

• 2:18:34Speaker 05

  Well, is anyone, I mean, you could just say, hey, we're all less patient than we've ever been before. Think how dumb you can get on a flight, where like, I had internet, and I'm like, god damn, and it was because it wasn't up in 10 seconds, it took 20 seconds.

• 2:18:47Speaker 02

  No Starlink on this flight, what the fuck?

• 2:18:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, I try to remind myself in those moments, like, the, you know, like, when we lived in New York, taking the train, and it would, you know, the train would be delayed once every, you know, month or whatever. It's like, think about all the times you, it wasn't delayed, and you didn't think about it. Like, it's okay, it's going to be fine.

• 2:19:03Speaker 02

  But to your bigger point, I think that the beauty of college football is that it's always been broken. There's never been a time when college football was not broken. And part of the fun in it, and part of why it's so unpredictable, and, and so, you know, fun to talk about, is you're always trying to figure out what's wrong, what needs to be fixed about the sport. And that's by its very nature, it will continue to be broken, as far as, as we can look into the future. That's kind of the charm of it. It's a stupid sport. It's crazy. I love it. It's great, but there's chaos.

• 2:19:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's perfectly said. And I think there's a nice parallel there with the NBA, where we spend so much time talking about the bullshit with the NBA, but it's kind of good. Even if, not saying like, the Clippers thing is a good thing.

• 2:19:44Speaker 02

  That's the marketing for it.

• 2:19:45Speaker 05

  But all of the next mad player asking his way out, and the drama that's gone on with all of these players, where, you know, normally, when it's, I get like, a quiet six months or something, I'll say something about it, be like, it's been real, we haven't had a pissed off guy in like, seven months. You know, who do you think it's going to be? And that's a segment. It's like, who's the next pissed off guy? Probably don't do that on ESPN as much. But, um, back to the BCS stuff, like, wringing your hands over and over and over again. It's like, oh, okay, but they played Toledo, and that was a night game, and then that was it. And like, all of the things that you were freaking out about, it becomes a little narcissistic in that every fanbase thinks it's only happening to them, and they never seem to think that anybody else is ever going through any of the same stuff, which is the irony of the whole deal.

• 2:20:26Speaker 02

  The computers hate us. The BCS computer.

• 2:20:28Speaker 05

  If there's ever a way to talk about the product that has nothing to do with the actual result, and all of the different theories, even though it can kind of drive me crazy, because I'll be like, you know, they're saying the same Thing in Texas or they're saying the same thing in South Carolina like you're not as special as you think you are. It's all you're paying attention to and that's a win because the NFL is so like, obviously the NFL is killing everybody, but the NFL is just so straightforward.

• 2:20:52Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:20:52Speaker 05

  That sometimes it doesn't have that kind of bullshit topic attachment to it that those other two sports.

• 2:20:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:20:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I, the only way that you can, you can thrive in that type of environment is get somebody that adapts to chaos well. And that's why Lane Kiffin, I'm sure will be the LSU coach forever.

• 2:21:10Speaker 00

  Job for life.

• 2:21:11Speaker 05

  What do you think he would leave it for? Cause he's wanted it the whole time.

• 2:21:14Speaker 00

  USC again would be funny.

• 2:21:18Speaker 00

  Lincoln Riley, I think is probably, you tell me, I mean, you, you live in the market like Lincoln Riley, it just, it's the same team every year. I watched that game against Washington. I know they won, but that one clip of multiple defensive players pushing the Washington player closer to the goal. They just don't tackle. They're soft. And it feels like anytime they play a big boy, they just get punched in the mouth.

• 2:21:42Speaker 05

  They don't. After the Oregon loss, like I looked at it. I think it's 0 and 7 against top 10 teams. I think it was 6 and 15 against ranked. And I was going through, I'm like, what's that win?

• 2:21:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:21:50Speaker 05

  Cause they beat Notre Dame, but Notre Dame was 15th and Notre Dame was like a nine and 14. They beat LSU to start the season two years ago in Vegas. I went to the game. And after that game, you were more annoyed to like, how did LSU lose this fucking game? But then you're like, all right, LSU's 13. If you go through the Lincoln Riley resume, this is a really long time since starting in 22 did not have that signature win.

• 2:22:11Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:22:12Speaker 05

  Like trick us.

• 2:22:13Speaker 00

  Right. Give us one. Beat Oregon once and be like, hey, look. Yeah.

• 2:22:17Speaker 02

  We talked about Alabama being like the, the team and the program that had it the worst. Once NIL became legal that everybody else could start paying their players. You could make that argument for USC.

• 2:22:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:22:29Speaker 02

  USC built dynasties off of like, yeah, it was, it was a fucked up rule, but they were one of the ones that were willing to kind of go around the rule, get the players that they had to get and then dominate. And then in this era, it's like, yeah, everyone can do it now.

• 2:22:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's been a lot of talk about how like the parody part of the NIL has corrected the SEC's dominance and most people totally believe it. I sometimes think that you're going like, all right, wait a minute, something's different. So something different has happened. We have a different result. So because we have this new system, this means.

• 2:23:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:23:01Speaker 05

  All right. So, and I, by the way, I could still be totally wrong about this because I think some coaches would argue, hey, we haven't been able to stockpile the same amount of guys. But the funny thing is in basketball, in college basketball, you're like, ah, nobody has a chance. It's all the blue bloods. And you're like, why? It's like, because of the NIL. So maybe it's just because basketball, smaller roster, two guys can change everything. Far more than two guys can change everything for football. But if you looked at the transfer portal rankings for the SEC versus the big 10. Mississippi State, I think was last out of all the SEC teams and it was still higher than seven big 10 teams. Top, I think 10 of the top 30 were SEC schools. Like there was a clear, clear gap. So it's like, is the SEC going to turn this thing back around where they're going to start rolling through people again?

• 2:23:44Speaker 05

  I mean, it was still hard for me to believe like they're just not going to win national championships now because of NIL. That's the kind of parody.

• 2:23:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, I don't believe that.

• 2:23:50Speaker 05

  I don't, I mean, how would anybody sell you on that part? But I don't know. PFT like, you think Bama, like, is it, is it because of the NIL or is it because the god left Tuscaloosa?

• 2:24:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, it's, it's definitely because Saban would figure it out. Say what you want about him.

• 2:24:09Speaker 05

  He would figure it out.

• 2:24:10Speaker 02

  He, he was.

• 2:24:11Speaker 05

  I think Jalen Milrow, he's like, I can't do it anymore.

• 2:24:13Speaker 02

  He was an old guy, but he would adapt and it's a rare thing to have, especially in a coach that's had so much success. It's like, you're not necessarily set in your ways.

• 2:24:21Speaker 05

  Well, we had the example of it when everybody was talking up tempo and it was taken over the early teens and he goes, is this really what you want?

• 2:24:27Speaker 00

  I'll just get the best wide receivers.

• 2:24:28Speaker 05

  This really what you want to do? This is what we want college football to do? Like, all right, fine.

• 2:24:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. We talked a lot about Coach K on the show. He adapted too.

• 2:24:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:24:35Speaker 02

  He had to.

• 2:24:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, he was, he was opposed to the one and done. And then he just, he perfected it.

• 2:24:39Speaker 02

  It was Luol Deng that changed his mind.

• 2:24:41Speaker 00

  He perfected.

• 2:24:41Speaker 02

  Because Luol Deng was like, sir, I'd like to go to the NBA and send millions of dollars.

• 2:24:46Speaker 00

  You're so mad at Carlos.

• 2:24:47Speaker 02

  To my family in Sudan. They have no money and I would like to be able to pay for an entire like city in Sudan to be able to eat for a year.

• 2:24:55Speaker 05

  What's the city go for over there?

• 2:24:56Speaker 02

  I don't know. Not, not, not as much as it used to, but um, Coach K was like, okay, yes, you've changed my mind. That's a good point. I will allow you to go pro.

• 2:25:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:25:04Speaker 05

  And I never know what to believe with you guys when it comes to.

• 2:25:06Speaker 02

  That's no, that's like, I'm exaggerating, but that's pretty much what it was.

• 2:25:09Speaker 05

  Are you guys Coach K guys now?

• 2:25:10Speaker 00

  No. I want to know where that puppy is that they gifted him. Haven't seen it since. They gave him a retirement puppy. Haven't seen it.

• 2:25:19Speaker 02

  Are you a Coach K guy?

• 2:25:21Speaker 05

  I used to hate Duke with the passion of a thousand suns.

• 2:25:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, the Johnnys are back.

• 2:25:26Speaker 05

  I hated Duke so much. I hated him. I still think that the reason offensive fouls became such a problem. But I gotta be honest with you. Once I started being around it, a little bit more, I think the ESPN of it all.

• 2:25:38Speaker 02

  They started to get to you.

• 2:25:39Speaker 00

  He's choking that puppy in the picture.

• 2:25:44Speaker 00

  Who's taking care of that puppy?

• 2:25:45Speaker 05

  The puppy doesn't look happy.

• 2:25:46Speaker 00

  No, and that, that puppy doesn't know, he was just, he probably handed the puppy to a staffer as he walked out.

• 2:25:52Speaker 02

  It's transactional.

• 2:25:53Speaker 05

  I'm a big Shire guy. How about that? I guess Shire one, K two.

• 2:25:56Speaker 02

  Shire does seem like a, uh, he seems like a good enough guy.

• 2:25:59Speaker 05

  I just respect, like when you're, not to be big J on you guys, but when you're, when you're around it.

• 2:26:05Speaker 02

  Respect greatness.

• 2:26:06Speaker 05

  And you see what they do and this community in 40 years, you're like, all right, real fucking chill out.

• 2:26:11Speaker 00

  Uh, give me your, the five teams you trust the most in college football right now.

• 2:26:16Speaker 05

  Uh, trust is an interesting way of putting it because when I look at Texas, how do you not put them in the top five?

• 2:26:22Speaker 00

  But that's not what I asked.

• 2:26:24Speaker 05

  No, it isn't. I mean, their yards per play is dog shit.

• 2:26:26Speaker 00

  It's their offense does, looks broken. Their defense has been great.

• 2:26:30Speaker 05

  Explosives. The defense is just filthy. I mean, I know Colin Simmons whipped out a, the way he whipped out his dick makes you think that, I don't want to talk.

• 2:26:37Speaker 00

  He should have been able to, when you have five sacks in a game, you can do whatever you want.

• 2:26:41Speaker 05

  New rule?

• 2:26:41Speaker 02

  It's a fire hose.

• 2:26:44Speaker 05

  It was like a pop-up book. Like it was like, what?

• 2:26:49Speaker 02

  We talked, I mean, I'm sure you've done the thing. If Arch Manning's last name was not, if, if it was Arch Minshew, how would people be talking about him? If it was Colin Watt and he was a Watt brother, would he be automatic?

• 2:27:02Speaker 05

  Kettner.

• 2:27:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Automatic first overall pick?

• 2:27:07Speaker 05

  It doesn't look good live. And then the tape guys tell you how good the tape is. I'm not a tape guy, really.

• 2:27:12Speaker 00

  Max is.

• 2:27:12Speaker 02

  I got a guy that you could, yeah, Max.

• 2:27:14Speaker 00

  Big time tape guy.

• 2:27:15Speaker 05

  Got huddle?

• 2:27:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:27:16Speaker 05

  Got access.

• 2:27:16Speaker 00

  All right. So top five teams you trust?

• 2:27:18Speaker 05

  Georgia, because I think the defense is there. I think the receivers are a lot better. They've got about five different people that can run the football. And they have explosive plays in a way that they haven't had the last couple of years. Like you can say, oh, Georgia's slipped a little bit. They're winning the SEC. But when Georgia lost in those playoff games, none of us were shocked that Georgia was losing those playoff.

• 2:27:35Speaker 00

  I did the whole thing when, when we did our preview. It's like, oh, Georgia's slipped. Georgia lost to Notre Dame. And, and they were the backup quarterback, right? And then they lost.

• 2:27:45Speaker 05

  Well, yeah.

• 2:27:46Speaker 00

  Well, no, Carson Beck got hurt.

• 2:27:48Speaker 05

  He did get hurt. Stockton, that's when he came in and he almost got decapitated.

• 2:27:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, right. So they lost to Notre Dame who went to the national championship. And then the next year they lost to Trinidad and Chambles who caught fire. And it's like, the guy played a month of football where he was just out of his mind. Good.

• 2:28:02Speaker 05

  Do you think they beat Bama this week?

• 2:28:03Speaker 00

  I don't know. I gotta look more at the game. Keelan Russell is really good, man.

• 2:28:08Speaker 05

  Beginning of the year, I was like, all right, you know, and I sounded like I was being a little too critical of a guy in his first play starts ever. But it was like, there's these young dudes that are so nasty that look at one, read and then bail. And they've gotten away with it their whole lives.

• 2:28:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:28:21Speaker 05

  And you know, this is part of what can be frustrating as an offensive coach. You're like, can you just let the play develop a little bit? Well, something clicked after the Kentucky game, South Carolina, he was waiting on the pocket. What he did this past week against Camario and those guys, he has the number one QB, QBR in college football, the last two weeks combined.

• 2:28:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's awesome.

• 2:28:43Speaker 05

  Although number two on the list isn't super impressive.

• 2:28:44Speaker 00

  Is he, who's number two on the list?

• 2:28:46Speaker 05

  I'm not going to say.

• 2:28:48Speaker 00

  Who is it?

• 2:28:49Speaker 05

  I'll say it off the air.

• 2:28:50Speaker 02

  You don't want to say this guy's name?

• 2:28:52Speaker 05

  No, I don't. Cause it hurts.

• 2:28:55Speaker 02

  Now I gotta figure out.

• 2:28:55Speaker 05

  It hurts my K-land Russell point.

• 2:28:57Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 2:29:00Speaker 05

  I, I think Texas from a personnel standpoint, there's no way, I mean, they really aren't going to have any explosives. Rest of the way with that defense. So I'll put Texas, I'll put Georgia in there. Out of the three big 10 schools. I went in thinking Indiana was going to win the big 10 again.

• 2:29:15Speaker 00

  Same.

• 2:29:15Speaker 05

  Uh, Ohio State, I'm a little bit more down on saying this year than I was last year. Cause I just thought it was going to be, look like, I thought he was going to be at another level and all he has to do is throw it to number four and it's unbelievable.

• 2:29:27Speaker 00

  Like, that might just be enough because Jeremiah Smith is that good. Like Jeremiah Smith, that game against Iowa, they, they were, they had triple coverage on him and he was still catching the ball. It was, it's, I don't know. I, I know Iowa, you know.

• 2:29:42Speaker 05

  If you didn't like your roster in the NFL and you needed a quarterback, do you think in next, well, yeah, next year's draft, you just go, let's just take him.

• 2:29:50Speaker 00

  Yeah. He'll make our lives easier. Yeah. I do think he's that good.

• 2:29:55Speaker 05

  Would you trade Jaden Daniels for him right now?

• 2:29:56Speaker 02

  Absolutely not.

• 2:29:58Speaker 05

  Yes, you would.

• 2:29:58Speaker 02

  No. Absolutely not.

• 2:30:01Speaker 05

  Come on.

• 2:30:02Speaker 02

  I promise you, I would not.

• 2:30:03Speaker 05

  Would you trade Caleb Williams for Jeremiah Smith?

• 2:30:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:30:05Speaker 05

  Okay, that's the right answer.

• 2:30:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. Why, why would you, why would you think about trading? We, we have good wide receivers.

• 2:30:11Speaker 00

  Jeremiah Smith's special.

• 2:30:12Speaker 02

  He's very special, but.

• 2:30:13Speaker 05

  Wait, so you wouldn't trade, you wouldn't trade Jaden Daniels right now for like some imaginary transaction where you get Jeremiah Smith? And start over a quarterback?

• 2:30:22Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:30:23Speaker 05

  You still like Jaden Daniels a lot.

• 2:30:24Speaker 02

  I still do. And I think if you talk to most commanders fans, they would probably say the same thing. Like he's really, really good when he plays. The, the first half that he played against the Cowboys before he got hurt, like that's, he was making incredible throws. The legs are still there. He's a very good player if he can just stay on the field. If he doesn't stay on the field, I'm, I'm willing to say like, hey, we fucked up again. This sucks, but no, I'm willing to, I'm willing to stick with him long-term because I think he can still be very, very good. Yeah.

• 2:30:55Speaker 00

  Who else you got?

• 2:30:56Speaker 05

  Who else do I trust?

• 2:30:57Speaker 00

  Georgia, Alabama?

• 2:31:01Speaker 00

  I don't think they got in there. Ohio State is.

• 2:31:04Speaker 05

  I'll put Ohio State in because I still like both the running backs, even though the yards per carry thing was a little lower than I thought that was going to be. And I think Jeremiah Smith, like when I was watching Dallas against Houston yesterday, it's like, how are you going to stop C D or Pickens four times in a row?

• 2:31:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:31:17Speaker 05

  Like, how are you in that spot where they have a fourth down to play with? You're not going to. With Jeremiah Smith, it just feels like you can feel good about 80% of the possessions and he's still going to go over the top and have two touchdowns. Like he's starting with 14 points today. You realize that?

• 2:31:29Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:31:30Speaker 05

  So yeah, I'll, I'll do that because of him and because of Oregon's offensive line and the Dante Moore thing, although Raiola, who I've never necessarily loved. He was so nasty in that S C game.

• 2:31:40Speaker 00

  I know.

• 2:31:41Speaker 05

  So I'd have to see more to put him in the trust tree.

• 2:31:44Speaker 00

  I'm also like, I, I'm kind of feeling, and, and maybe this is wrong. I'm kind of feeling like the Oregon Oklahoma State game, like the, the fact that Oklahoma State knew every single play. Like I'm not throwing that game out, but I might be getting close to throwing that game out.

• 2:32:01Speaker 05

  And thinking Messina Maker doesn't move and then he runs for a million yards on that first play.

• 2:32:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, right. And it's just like the, like it, it was clear that they like the way Dante Moore was standing, the, the stuff rate that Oklahoma State had in that game was off the charts.

• 2:32:13Speaker 05

  They had two three man rushes where they didn't block it.

• 2:32:15Speaker 00

  Right.

• 2:32:15Speaker 05

  And then Moore had a fourth down where he threw it short of the sticks and they were a fucking mess in that game. I still, I'm not putting Oregon in there. I should, if I'm putting Ohio State in there, I should probably put Indiana in there, but we haven't even touched about Miami and Notre Dame. All right. So let's do this. Let me take out, let me go Georgia. Let me go Notre Dame. Let me go Miami. And I'm actually going to say Ohio State. I can't take Ohio State and then not put Texas in there. I'm going to figure out, I'm, I'm going to guess.

• 2:32:46Speaker 00

  All these teams, like to your point at the beginning, like all these teams have flaws. No one feels unbeatable. No one, no one right now are you sitting there like that team cannot be stopped.

• 2:32:56Speaker 05

  But usually most years we're going like after week six, we're like, oh, it's these two teams and then it's everybody else. And then that's wrong.

• 2:33:02Speaker 00

  But we could list 10 teams where I'm like, yeah, I could see it.

• 2:33:05Speaker 05

  When does it get weird? Like maybe the exercise is how many do you go before you go? Well, that doesn't make any sense that they would win a national championship. Like I'm a little surprised.

• 2:33:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, go ahead.

• 2:33:15Speaker 05

  I'm a little surprised people like BYU still so much in the polls. They're eighth. They're eighth in both polls. And I was arguing Texas Tech being overlooked because at least they have some P four wins in there. There's a ranked win in there, but they looked like shit against Colorado.

• 2:33:28Speaker 00

  Mess as well.

• 2:33:29Speaker 05

  They were, they were number one in opponents' yards per play last year. This year, right now, I think they're 57, 58.

• 2:33:34Speaker 02

  I do think BYU could beat almost any team at home.

• 2:33:38Speaker 05

  You think they're going to beat Notre Dame at home?

• 2:33:40Speaker 00

  No.

• 2:33:41Speaker 02

  Almost.

• 2:33:41Speaker 00

  I watched almost every single snap.

• 2:33:43Speaker 05

  I put you in an unfair spot.

• 2:33:44Speaker 02

  I bet. The answer is no. I don't think that they're going to beat them.

• 2:33:47Speaker 05

  They're already a 10 point dog in that game. They're number eight in the country.

• 2:33:50Speaker 02

  They're, they're not, it would be crazy if they won. That would be one of the crazy ones. Yes.

• 2:33:54Speaker 00

  I, I watched the entire TCU BYU game. I had TCU.

• 2:33:59Speaker 00

  BYU had 62 yards passing. Yeah. 62 yards passing.

• 2:34:04Speaker 05

  I had to go.

• 2:34:04Speaker 00

  Like that should not, they should, they, they got outgained by TCU. Like they, that was, I just watched the whole game being like, how is TCU not covering this game? How they're not going to win this game? I BYU, I will not trust.

• 2:34:15Speaker 02

  Did TCU just, did their entire program get ended in, in the biggest game of that entire school's lifetime?

• 2:34:23Speaker 00

  What do you mean?

• 2:34:24Speaker 02

  Like they get, they make it, they get their shit kicked in by Georgia.

• 2:34:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:34:29Speaker 05

  Well, everyone left. Everyone was gone.

• 2:34:32Speaker 02

  Everyone left.

• 2:34:32Speaker 05

  Like every single person, which is why the Colorado win against them.

• 2:34:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:34:35Speaker 05

  When somebody was selling it as, oh, they beat the national champ runner up. Like Deion beat TCU without any of the guys that were on TCU. And then the Colorado State comeback and he's on fucking 60 minutes.

• 2:34:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:34:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:34:46Speaker 05

  But I guess. It's fair to remind everybody what happened.

• 2:34:48Speaker 00

  Colorado should be, should have maybe beaten Texas Tech this weekend too. So the big 12 is a mess. Like it is.

• 2:34:55Speaker 02

  That might be one of those things where if you ask them, like, would you want to play that game again? Was it worth it going to the national championship game?

• 2:35:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:35:03Speaker 02

  They, they might say no, because if they had lost is against Michigan, right? The semifinal?

• 2:35:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:35:08Speaker 02

  If they'd lost that game, which was an incredible game, it was awesome. It was just chaos. If they lose that game, that's an incredible moment for the program. Like we were this close to a national championship. But you show up at the national championship and then you look like you're a Pee Wee team.

• 2:35:26Speaker 05

  Well, you're right. People remember like, people remember Clemson, whenever like Clemson gets talked about during the Dabo years, it's like they take out Bama twice. And you know, the first game was great that Bama won. Second game's all timer, throw it to the right side. And then they just, it was one of those games that unraveled.

• 2:35:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:35:44Speaker 05

  And you're like, I don't know if the gap between these two teams is like reflected in the score, but this is just brutal. And then remember you had the Clemson players being like best team of all time. I'm like, I don't, I don't know who said that at the time. But then no one ever remembered any of the Clemson losses in the semifinal.

• 2:35:59Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. The, back to big 12 though, it's a mess. I actually like weirdly think it's going to sound crazy, but I might trust Baylor.

• 2:36:09Speaker 05

  You're going to put a future on Baylor, Lagway?

• 2:36:11Speaker 00

  Aranda has, I think he's breaking the record for most years successfully coaching with the hot seat. He has been on the hot seat for like five years in a row. They have been so close to firing him so many years and he just keeps finding a way off of it. It's, it's actually remarkable.

• 2:36:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, I.

• 2:36:29Speaker 00

  Like if you, if you told someone, if you knocked someone out like three years ago, you're like, and you woke them up, you're like, who's coaching for Baylor? They're like, there's just no way Dave Veranda is still there.

• 2:36:38Speaker 05

  But I always wondered, do A D's fire coaches more often because they think that coach should be fired? Or is it because they have to make sure the people donating money are happy that their impatience is rewarded by firing them all the time? I wonder how many A D's have fired somebody to be like, I know this is the right person, but you know, we had a bad roster this year one.

• 2:36:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:36:56Speaker 05

  Brought the wrong quarterback in, fucked around with that. I made him change coordinators, even though his coordinator was.

• 2:37:02Speaker 00

  Schedule was really bad one year. Yeah.

• 2:37:04Speaker 05

  Like that was the same thing with Clemson too. The beginning of the year when it was, um, Fasenza, uh, does I have that right? He's already been the backup now. So I forgot how to pronounce his first name.

• 2:37:14Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. Uh.

• 2:37:16Speaker 05

  Vazina?

• 2:37:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, I, I.

• 2:37:18Speaker 05

  I forget. So anyway, he's like, couldn't we have played like Houston Baptist week one? Like I could have walked around campus for a week.

• 2:37:24Speaker 00

  Yeah. Vazina.

• 2:37:25Speaker 05

  Vazina.

• 2:37:25Speaker 00

  Christopher Vazina.

• 2:37:26Speaker 05

  I already forgot how to pronounce his name. Poor guy. I think he's hurt too right now.

• 2:37:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. Uh, how hot? Well, let me ask you open ended. What other hot seats are starting to fire up?

• 2:37:37Speaker 05

  Um, other hot seats. That's almost like I'm a reporter type of thing. Uh.

• 2:37:44Speaker 02

  If, if it was just based entirely on, uh, on performance, your personal, Ryan, Ryan Rusila's personal hot seat.

• 2:37:49Speaker 00

  Personal hot seat.

• 2:37:50Speaker 05

  I think they've wiped out most of the guys already.

• 2:37:53Speaker 00

  Well, the, uh, I mean, Ravel's always on the hot seat.

• 2:37:57Speaker 05

  Right. But apparently like the deal there is they didn't spend on the roster because they're saving to pay the next coach.

• 2:38:04Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:38:04Speaker 05

  So like, hey, you can come back and coach this year, but the only reason is so we can save money on however we're going to go ahead and replace you.

• 2:38:11Speaker 00

  Do you think Shiano's on the hot seat?

• 2:38:13Speaker 05

  No.

• 2:38:14Speaker 02

  Okay. Shiano is the hot seat.

• 2:38:15Speaker 05

  He is.

• 2:38:16Speaker 02

  He puts other people on the hot seat.

• 2:38:17Speaker 00

  Thank God.

• 2:38:18Speaker 05

  How many times you guys interviewed him?

• 2:38:20Speaker 02

  Just once. Just once, but I shook his hand like three times.

• 2:38:22Speaker 05

  How'd it go?

• 2:38:23Speaker 02

  The handshake?

• 2:38:24Speaker 00

  No, the interview was pretty good. He's a cat guy.

• 2:38:28Speaker 05

  That makes sense.

• 2:38:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:38:29Speaker 02

  We, he did a lot of the, uh, keep shopping.

• 2:38:31Speaker 00

  We said he doesn't like the cats, but his daughter does and his wife does, which every cat guy will say.

• 2:38:37Speaker 02

  He was actually.

• 2:38:37Speaker 05

  Happy cat, happy, you know?

• 2:38:38Speaker 02

  He was way more affable than I thought that it would be.

• 2:38:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:38:41Speaker 05

  He was so tough when he was at ESPN. He came in studio. He would just come in and then you're like, do you not want to do this?

• 2:38:51Speaker 00

  And the answer is, yeah, probably not.

• 2:38:53Speaker 05

  Probably didn't want to do it.

• 2:38:54Speaker 02

  There was a story that in Tampa, he would like, he would confiscate everyone's cell phone when they came in the building and put them in a big bucket and lock them up. So it's like no cell phones. You can't have cell phones when you're in the Buccaneers team facility.

• 2:39:10Speaker 05

  I, I don't know. Does that shit work? But it's like, we were just on the Yak, right? And you guys started talking to PJ Fleck and it's like, no, they just beat Michigan for the first time.

• 2:39:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:39:19Speaker 05

  In a while. Cause like none of this stuff, like I was thinking about it the other day, like John Summerall, right? He was at Florida. So the first like introduction, he gets to the bigger college football audience. Like most people weren't paying attention. And then the phone goes off at that press conference and then he gives like a real hardo like thing to that person. And that's the only way some people have ever consumed him. So then it turns into like, what a dick this guy is like, I can't believe it. And then they get off to the streak that they get off to.

• 2:39:49Speaker 00

  Florida's back.

• 2:39:50Speaker 05

  And, and Bruce Feldman, who I love is my guy, writes this piece of like, hey, John has a very intentional way and he understands people and he understands dynamics. And it's like, oh, so all this stuff that the general public was like opposed to, now they've gotten off to start. They, they like it and like PJ Fleck is the embodiment of this.

• 2:40:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. I've turned around. By the way, John Summerall, I want to talk about PJ Fleck, but John Summerall had an unbelievable quote after getting killed by Mizzou. He said, if you pat your team on the ass too much, eventually they're going to shit in your hand. I love that quote. It's a great quote. But PJ Fleck, I, I, I could tell you maybe resisted my take. I've come back around on him in the.

• 2:40:28Speaker 05

  You don't believe it.

• 2:40:29Speaker 00

  No, but you don't believe it. I don't like Minnesota, their rival, Wisconsin.

• 2:40:32Speaker 05

  He tasted blood.

• 2:40:33Speaker 00

  That he is so like openly, I'm the guy and the team doesn't matter. It's all about me that I find it funny. Like it's, I don't know how he did it.

• 2:40:45Speaker 05

  That's not you saying you like it.

• 2:40:46Speaker 00

  No, it's not. But it's like, I'm now amused again because like he did.

• 2:40:51Speaker 02

  He's gone from being annoying to being funny.

• 2:40:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's like.

• 2:40:54Speaker 05

  But it's only because they've won a few games.

• 2:40:56Speaker 00

  Yes. No, no, no, no.

• 2:40:58Speaker 02

  By, maybe, but by winning the games, it's given him the platform.

• 2:41:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:41:02Speaker 02

  To be.

• 2:41:03Speaker 00

  Just be more PJ Fleck.

• 2:41:04Speaker 02

  Openly annoying on a bigger stage, which then becomes funny.

• 2:41:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:41:09Speaker 02

  Like this is a very important part of the life cycle of anybody that we talk about on part of my take is like, we'll make fun of them. And then they'll get so big, being the, the person that we make fun of, that we start to like and appreciate.

• 2:41:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:41:21Speaker 02

  How authentically funny.

• 2:41:22Speaker 00

  The clip of him just after every win, making the whole team do a crowd surf of him is so ridiculous.

• 2:41:28Speaker 02

  Do you think that he waited for the cameras to be on before?

• 2:41:32Speaker 00

  I disagree, Ryan. No way did he wait for the cameras.

• 2:41:36Speaker 02

  The lighting was perfect.

• 2:41:37Speaker 05

  I shouldn't say that. It was irresponsible of me. I don't know.

• 2:41:40Speaker 00

  Oh shit. The cameras are here while I crowd surf?

• 2:41:42Speaker 05

  But there was a time once when a player went down with an injury.

• 2:41:45Speaker 00

  Oh, he sprinted out there? Oh yeah. That's PJ Fleck classic. It might've been when he was at Western Michigan.

• 2:41:50Speaker 05

  I think he was at Western when it happened. And that was like the first time because my radar.

• 2:41:54Speaker 00

  Yeah. No, he'll go out and kiss a guy.

• 2:41:56Speaker 05

  Yeah. I went, whoa. All right. Put that one away in the holster for a little bit.

• 2:42:01Speaker 00

  But he wins. He's, I mean, he's done. I think Minnesota fans are like, get upset, but like he has raised the floor of that, of that program to places they never thought they'd be. Really? I didn't say ceiling. I said floor.

• 2:42:16Speaker 05

  Fine, fine. It's been a nice little run, but um.

• 2:42:19Speaker 00

  He won the Big Ten West one year. They didn't actually win it, but he said they did. There was a three-way tie. He's like, we won the Big Ten West, we just didn't get invited to Indianapolis.

• 2:42:29Speaker 02

  Sometimes they do that.

• 2:42:30Speaker 00

  He broke the, he lost the tiebreaker.

• 2:42:32Speaker 02

  It's actually really unfair.

• 2:42:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:42:34Speaker 02

  When you win your division, the conferences, they decide you're not a big enough brand, so.

• 2:42:38Speaker 05

  But you just don't, if you're a competitor, you don't take that win. You go, we're not playing for the Big Ten Championship, so therefore we did not actually.

• 2:42:47Speaker 00

  Nah, nah, PJ's got, he's got the trophy probably.

• 2:42:50Speaker 05

  He probably does. He probably made up shirts. But the, the reason I, I always harp on this all the time is that just, I can't believe how stupid we are sometimes about this shit. Where everybody does the same fucking thing. Where you're the same person, you are the exact same thing. And then we only play the results. Like, I always use this as a perfect example of, of what I'm talking about. When Josh McDaniels got the first job with the Broncos, remember they got off to like 6-0 start? Okay, and he was so young and people kept talking about like, he's so young, but like, he thinks like the players and he can relate to them because it's like so much closer in age and there's this energy in the building that's going on right now. And granted, like the schedule was pretty easy. I think they got a couple of close ones. They lost like the rest of the season.

• 2:43:33Speaker 05

  And they're like, you know, he just wasn't prepared. He was inexperienced. His youth showed up. It's like, he's the same fucking guy doing the same exact thing. And we just want everything to be like simply processed to be able to come out. So like your whole PJ Fleck thing, which I know you don't actually believe.

• 2:43:49Speaker 00

  I do.

• 2:43:50Speaker 05

  No, you don't.

• 2:43:51Speaker 00

  No, I don't like him, but he's making me laugh. He's making me laugh.

• 2:43:54Speaker 05

  If they ask, hey, can we get PJ in studio? Do you say yes or no to it?

• 2:43:58Speaker 02

  We've had him on the show.

• 2:43:59Speaker 05

  Will you do it now?

• 2:44:00Speaker 02

  In studio? Yeah. Yeah, in studio, yeah. They keep winning. Only if he comes in here and, and empties a brown jug of water.

• 2:44:07Speaker 00

  And we, and we, and we like carry him around the office.

• 2:44:11Speaker 02

  Only if he, if he eats my blood. That's the price.

• 2:44:15Speaker 05

  Tell him when the SID assistant reaches out to you and says, hey, we were talking about PJ. And PFC's like, you gotta lick my blood.

• 2:44:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, lick my blood. That's, that's admission price to the studio.

• 2:44:24Speaker 00

  I know all these guys are psychos and like, you know, I always laugh about Dabo running down the hill before the team and everything and like, that makes me laugh every time. I know they're all psychos and they all are like, I'm the guy and it's about me. But you are supposed to have a little bit of like decorum and be like, the team, the team, the team. PJ's like, nah, fuck that. It's me.

• 2:44:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, we agree. You're just entertained by it and I'm annoyed.

• 2:44:45Speaker 02

  Skew you mob.

• 2:44:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:44:46Speaker 05

  Skew my, he used to have like a too many sayings.

• 2:44:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, he's got like.

• 2:44:49Speaker 05

  When he had the row the boat thing and then it was like.

• 2:44:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:44:52Speaker 05

  He had a sign off once where I think he got three of them in there.

• 2:44:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, he tried to take row the boat to Minnesota, right?

• 2:44:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:45:00Speaker 02

  He tried to row the boat across two, two Great Lakes.

• 2:45:03Speaker 00

  I think he had to, I think he had to pay Western Michigan. I think Western Michigan owned it.

• 2:45:06Speaker 05

  I've been reading about the lakes. They're huge.

• 2:45:08Speaker 00

  Dude, they're massive.

• 2:45:09Speaker 05

  They're so much bigger. People, people in the United States are not educated enough on the size of the Great Lakes.

• 2:45:15Speaker 02

  I agree. There's a beach here in Chicago.

• 2:45:16Speaker 00

  It's an ocean.

• 2:45:17Speaker 05

  Look at a globe one day. Kids aren't buying globes as much as they used to.

• 2:45:21Speaker 02

  I was just saying that the other day. And now they're all into maps, but the maps are messing them up because the projections on the, I don't know if you're a Mercator guy.

• 2:45:28Speaker 05

  Oh my God, give me a break.

• 2:45:29Speaker 02

  Projections on the map screw up your entire, Mac still thinks that Alaska lives in a little box off the southwest coast of California.

• 2:45:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:45:36Speaker 05

  Ohio's like the size of Russia, but because of the angle.

• 2:45:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Are you just trying to distract us from talking about what a great job Bill Belichick's done?

• 2:45:45Speaker 00

  They were in that game.

• 2:45:46Speaker 02

  Should we be talking, should we be talking more about the on the field between the lines, Bill Belichick and UNC?

• 2:45:52Speaker 05

  You don't see her a lot much anymore.

• 2:45:54Speaker 00

  No.

• 2:45:55Speaker 05

  Coincidence?

• 2:45:56Speaker 00

  Maybe.

• 2:45:57Speaker 02

  Are you saying maybe pregnant?

• 2:46:00Speaker 05

  I didn't say that.

• 2:46:01Speaker 02

  Maybe she's showing? Yeah.

• 2:46:02Speaker 00

  Our queen.

• 2:46:03Speaker 02

  Whatever, whatever.

• 2:46:03Speaker 05

  He didn't make it easy on himself and here we go. You know what I mean? A little reset year for you. The 33rd team. I don't know if they're quite there yet. I don't have them in that tier.

• 2:46:14Speaker 00

  They actually were playing good ball at the end of last year too. Like they were in those games where they were just like, it was like, oh, 17-13, they would lose.

• 2:46:22Speaker 02

  I mean, they, they haven't looked bad the last two weeks.

• 2:46:25Speaker 00

  No, defensively, they're, they're fine. I mean, that Clemson game, I actually think they probably would, yeah, they would have probably beaten Clemson. All right. So what other, so you asked a question.

• 2:46:34Speaker 05

  If we did the list though, right?

• 2:46:35Speaker 00

  The list of teams that we, we were like, yeah, that makes sense.

• 2:46:37Speaker 05

  That's the cutoff and it's still going to be wrong. So it just, we go in order. It's Texas.

• 2:46:41Speaker 00

  Georgia, Notre Dame, Miami, Ohio State, Alabama, Indiana. That's seven right there.

• 2:46:48Speaker 00

  BYU, I'm, I'm not putting in there.

• 2:46:49Speaker 05

  I'm not putting them in there. I'm not putting Tech in there.

• 2:46:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, because I think Trinidad's probably the best quarterback in college football. And I think he's the kind of guy, like even in that Florida game, he came back and responded on two big drives and they desperately needed it. The problem was is that running back duo for the Gators that day was just, nobody was stopping them.

• 2:47:08Speaker 00

  And Keyon Lacy has to be healthy.

• 2:47:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:47:10Speaker 00

  Uh, all right. So put them in there. That's eight. LSU?

• 2:47:15Speaker 05

  Levitt scares the shit out of me.

• 2:47:16Speaker 00

  I know, but their backup guy, he's going to be good.

• 2:47:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, but when Levitt gets cooking, he's had a couple of quarters where he's really seeing it well. He's throwing darts in there, you know, leading guys really well. He just likes to run too much. And it was a problem when he was at Arizona State. And that's why I think it's so funny that Lane's the first guy I think that's ever given us an injury update when not asked and gave us an accurate one. So at the A and M game at halftime, he's like, well, Sam's hurt. And he wasn't even asked about it.

• 2:47:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:47:44Speaker 05

  And then he made the point that I thought was pretty funny. He's like, him being hurt with his calf kept him in the pocket. So it might actually worked out a little bit better. So I think their defensive front, even with weeks out,

• 2:47:56Speaker 05

  like there's these moments where I have with LSU defensively. I'm like, this should be considered one of the best defenses in all of college football. I don't know if that's going to be the case. I don't trust, I probably just don't trust Sam enough with, I think what's a bunch of B receivers? From what I've seen, you know, Green's been hurt. They shuffled the O-line a little bit.

• 2:48:16Speaker 05

  Would it be shocking if they turn this whole thing around? Well, I shouldn't say turn it around. They've had a really good season so far. If you're going to do Bama, then I think you have to include LSU and Ole Miss. I mean, if you have to include Ole Miss, yeah, I'd be all right with that.

• 2:48:28Speaker 00

  Okay. And then uh.

• 2:48:29Speaker 05

  Disagree?

• 2:48:30Speaker 00

  No, I, I, I'm, I'm in on that. And then we have, I actually should have mentioned Utah because that's probably the best Big 12 team.

• 2:48:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, and they're behind BYU and Texas Tech in the polls too.

• 2:48:40Speaker 00

  They can run the fuck out of the ball. They do a lot of weird shit with their running game.

• 2:48:44Speaker 05

  Would you go to pick them against BYU right now?

• 2:48:47Speaker 00

  I would. I would pick them against BYU.

• 2:48:50Speaker 05

  I wonder what the spread.

• 2:48:50Speaker 00

  Let's just take out the, the Big 12. Oregon I think has to be in there.

• 2:48:55Speaker 05

  I'd, no, I'm not ready to put them in.

• 2:48:57Speaker 00

  To win the national championship, you would be shocked if they won the national championship?

• 2:49:00Speaker 05

  Well, no, I mean framing it that way, but yeah, from what I've seen so far, I know they switch around their O-line a little bit and you know, they're down one of the receivers, but like they were one of the groups. It's like, well, they can lose a receiver. They got five other guys.

• 2:49:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:49:14Speaker 05

  Four, maybe.

• 2:49:15Speaker 00

  I, and then I think it falls, so it's like 10 teams. Nine or 10 teams.

• 2:49:19Speaker 05

  What about Missouri?

• 2:49:21Speaker 00

  Missouri.

• 2:49:22Speaker 02

  Well, no, they're, they're next up. They're next up to lose.

• 2:49:25Speaker 00

  To get picked off. I still don't trust the quarterback. Their offensive line.

• 2:49:29Speaker 05

  You don't trust their quarterback?

• 2:49:31Speaker 00

  Missouri?

• 2:49:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, Simmons?

• 2:49:33Speaker 00

  No.

• 2:49:34Speaker 05

  Really?

• 2:49:35Speaker 00

  No. I think he's, I think he's prone to, to, I mean, he played flawless against Florida, but no. I think in a, in a big time game, I, I don't think I would.

• 2:49:45Speaker 02

  A and M's going to beat Missouri this weekend.

• 2:49:48Speaker 05

  Oh, I don't think so.

• 2:49:49Speaker 00

  That's how it goes. That's how it goes.

• 2:49:51Speaker 05

  I just don't like A and M's quarterback. I haven't liked him even when they were good.

• 2:49:54Speaker 00

  No, but Missouri has, uh, at Ole Miss, Texas, at Georgia. That's tough.

• 2:50:01Speaker 05

  Any Big Ten teams that has crushed like that?

• 2:50:03Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, actually I think so.

• 2:50:06Speaker 05

  See, I agree with you now.

• 2:50:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:50:07Speaker 05

  Maybe not that level, but.

• 2:50:09Speaker 02

  No, which team were you thinking about?

• 2:50:11Speaker 00

  Uh, USC. USC has that stretch. USC still has to play, uh, at Wisconsin, tough. At Penn State, white out. Uh, Ohio State and Indiana.

• 2:50:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's almost the exact same thing.

• 2:50:24Speaker 00

  Exact same thing.

• 2:50:25Speaker 04

  Have you seen the line for Penn State USC?

• 2:50:28Speaker 00

  Oh, where's it? We play a game on this show called Whose Line Is It Anyway? Where we guess the lines.

• 2:50:33Speaker 05

  That's a great idea.

• 2:50:34Speaker 04

  Penn State, white out.

• 2:50:35Speaker 00

  Okay, uh, I'm going to say.

• 2:50:38Speaker 05

  You gotta add, you gotta add a field goal to it when it's Penn State white out.

• 2:50:41Speaker 02

  Uh, by six.

• 2:50:44Speaker 00

  I'm going to say Penns?

• 2:50:48Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 2:50:50Speaker 00

  Penn State minus one and a half.

• 2:50:52Speaker 04

  Bang.

• 2:50:53Speaker 00

  Got it?

• 2:50:53Speaker 04

  Penn State minus one and a half.

• 2:50:55Speaker 00

  They give a lot to the white out night game. USC is not, I mean USC, they're both.

• 2:50:59Speaker 04

  Penn State stinks.

• 2:51:00Speaker 00

  They're both very flawed teams. I probably will take USC in that game.

• 2:51:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:51:05Speaker 00

  Because USC can score.

• 2:51:06Speaker 05

  But those kids, those California kids, the Samoans, they see a white out, they're gonna lose their shit.

• 2:51:12Speaker 00

  It's true.

• 2:51:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know what? I'm gonna wait, I'm gonna wait for the weather on that one. Weather report's gonna be big.

• 2:51:20Speaker 00

  I mean, it does feel like it very desperate.

• 2:51:22Speaker 05

  Jocko Pistorius on base.

• 2:51:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, um, we have a weather guy here that does.

• 2:51:27Speaker 00

  He's actually awesome.

• 2:51:28Speaker 02

  Weather picks.

• 2:51:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:51:29Speaker 02

  Exclusively picks based on.

• 2:51:31Speaker 00

  Right, he's like 12 and 2.

• 2:51:32Speaker 02

  Where they haven't factored in what the weather's gonna be.

• 2:51:34Speaker 05

  I need a new system. I'm stuck in between two systems right now.

• 2:51:36Speaker 02

  This guy, he knows the wind.

• 2:51:38Speaker 00

  He also, Ryan, he, he did the most improbable thing ever. He was, started 8 and 1 until Dave and I figured out that he was doing this. He actually won the ninth game. Like, that never.

• 2:51:49Speaker 05

  I know, now you don't want to.

• 2:51:50Speaker 00

  For Dave and I to hop on and for him to win, that's never happened in the history of.

• 2:51:55Speaker 05

  I've had a tough two years.

• 2:51:57Speaker 00

  You'll, you'll turn it around. Uh, what else we got?

• 2:52:02Speaker 02

  Oklahoma.

• 2:52:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:52:04Speaker 02

  Hot seat, Russillo's hot seat.

• 2:52:06Speaker 00

  Ugh.

• 2:52:08Speaker 05

  There was no way. Matheus Thumb, the most talked about thumb, you know, going back to.

• 2:52:14Speaker 02

  Megan Fox.

• 2:52:16Speaker 05

  Yeah. Whatever happened with that?

• 2:52:19Speaker 02

  Her toe thumbs? I think they're still there.

• 2:52:21Speaker 05

  You think you get that worked on?

• 2:52:23Speaker 02

  I don't know that there's a surgery.

• 2:52:24Speaker 05

  All the things that have gotten worked on.

• 2:52:25Speaker 02

  I don't think they do thumbs. The, the bottom line is, all of her thumbs look hideous. If you ever see somebody like holding something in a picture, everyone's thumbs disgusting.

• 2:52:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, thumbs are not.

• 2:52:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, my thumb doesn't look that great right now.

• 2:52:36Speaker 00

  That's why it's an insult, it's like you look like a thumb.

• 2:52:40Speaker 05

  There's no coming back from that.

• 2:52:41Speaker 00

  Nope, nope.

• 2:52:42Speaker 05

  You just.

• 2:52:42Speaker 00

  No dude, I'm a pointer finger.

• 2:52:44Speaker 02

  No, the only, yeah, you just flip them off. That's the best way.

• 2:52:47Speaker 05

  Or the English way of doing it. Oklahoma, uh, as bad as they were on offense, and it was all on Matheus Thumb, right? Matheus Thumb, Matheus Thumb. I think they were like one something yards per play last year. They're just as bad again. Like I was looking, I think it was 107th last year yards per play, now it's 95th. And we spent all offseason talking about Matheus being back or whatever. And, you know, I just don't, I always look at quarterbacks third and seven plus in college. And you kind of get to a point in October where you go, I trust this guy. And the long, there's not a long list of guys that you trust on that.

• 2:53:21Speaker 00

  No.

• 2:53:22Speaker 05

  Long in college. And with him, you know, like that Michigan game, you're like, this looks exactly the way it looked. Last year. And so I know with Texas and the history, that's why this number's not big. I think it's only Texas minus six. Considering they're the number one team in the country.

• 2:53:39Speaker 00

  Well, Texas offense will probably look bad.

• 2:53:42Speaker 05

  I don't think we're gonna have like those four overtime shootouts that we had. Back to back years, they scored over 200 points combined in this game.

• 2:53:48Speaker 00

  So awesome.

• 2:53:49Speaker 05

  It, it was wild. And you've had, you've had games where one team was like clearly the better team.

• 2:53:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:53:54Speaker 05

  But they can never throw a huge, this can't be a 10-point spread.

• 2:53:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:53:58Speaker 05

  Because of, of what happens, but I, I don't know, man. I keep waiting for like, I guess the film on Arch looks really good. I'll say that again.

• 2:54:07Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 2:54:07Speaker 05

  They say the film looks really good.

• 2:54:10Speaker 02

  Well, if, if he improves as much this year as he did from the beginning to the end of last year, he should be in a good spot.

• 2:54:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, I get the attraction with him. I, I do. I actually think there's some stuff with him that's really good. His mobility inside the pocket, which is like a very rare thing. I think San actually has a little bit with Ohio State. There's some stuff I don't like about him physically, but it's that, I don't care about how fast you are, how strong you are, all that stuff. Are you finding ways to slide to get to those throwing lanes? And I think Arch actually does that really well for a guy his age. But, you know, you're bringing Cam Coleman, um, you've got two new running backs, you know, like all of this stuff. And, and the rest of the guys in the receiver room, you're kind of like, you guys are just gonna be an average offense? Like, how the fuck's that gonna happen?

• 2:54:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, it is very baffling.

• 2:54:56Speaker 05

  It's probably not gonna wake up against Oklahoma's D, because it's.

• 2:54:58Speaker 00

  No.

• 2:54:59Speaker 05

  Venables can coach defense.

• 2:55:02Speaker 00

  The rest. Uh, all right, Zach, you ready? Rowback question, rhobak.com, promo code TAKE, 20% off your first purchase, kusips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com, promo code TAKE.

• 2:55:14Speaker 04

  Ryan, I did have a quick question. Uh, I know this day you're not typically supposed to talk about this, but I did wanna, I did wanna ask. A couple of months ago, were you in a fight club in France?

• 2:55:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:55:26Speaker 04

  How'd it go?

• 2:55:28Speaker 05

  Come on.

• 2:55:29Speaker 04

  How'd it go?

• 2:55:29Speaker 05

  I can't talk about that.

• 2:55:30Speaker 00

  What are you, what are you talking about?

• 2:55:32Speaker 02

  What's the first rule?

• 2:55:33Speaker 04

  I just, I thought I saw Ryan maybe in France knocking up, and I was very curious.

• 2:55:38Speaker 00

  At a fight club?

• 2:55:39Speaker 04

  It looked esque.

• 2:55:41Speaker 00

  What happened here? I missed this.

• 2:55:43Speaker 05

  I was in, on Teb, then I, I went and did a, a workout with, um, I forget my guy's name. Oh, there's.

• 2:55:53Speaker 00

  Jacques.

• 2:55:53Speaker 05

  Now you're going too far now. Wow, look at the ups on that one though. That was when I sold the boat.

• 2:55:59Speaker 04

  I did a day in Anteb, honeymoon.

• 2:56:02Speaker 05

  Just one day?

• 2:56:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, just one day.

• 2:56:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's too busy.

• 2:56:05Speaker 02

  Fucking.

• 2:56:06Speaker 05

  Where'd you stay?

• 2:56:07Speaker 02

  In bed, probably in.

• 2:56:08Speaker 04

  It was actually on my, we stopped there on my way from.

• 2:56:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:56:12Speaker 04

  Uh, Nice to Saint Tropez.

• 2:56:15Speaker 05

  What'd you think of Saint Tropez?

• 2:56:16Speaker 04

  Uh, it was, it was nice. We only did like two days there. I think that, I think that was enough. I liked Ez a lot. Only did one, one night there. Ez, I liked Ez the most out of everything. That place was cool.

• 2:56:29Speaker 05

  I think I'm going to Japan in February, so if you get, if you ever get divorced and remarry.

• 2:56:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:56:35Speaker 00

  Where, what's this fight club?

• 2:56:36Speaker 05

  Uh, I took a Muay Thai class in, in Cannes.

• 2:56:39Speaker 00

  Oh, hell yeah.

• 2:56:39Speaker 05

  And I found a gym. And, oh, here it is. It's coming up here.

• 2:56:43Speaker 00

  Nice.

• 2:56:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:56:46Speaker 05

  There you go. That guy.

• 2:56:46Speaker 00

  Sparring?

• 2:56:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was, to be honest with you, it wasn't sparring. He was just taking me through a workout. Um, and I.

• 2:56:51Speaker 02

  Are you doing this? Are you doing jiu-jitsu or Muay Thai?

• 2:56:54Speaker 05

  Muay Thai. I, I can't grapple at all.

• 2:56:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:56:56Speaker 05

  Diplo's.

• 2:56:56Speaker 02

  You're doing Muay Thai?

• 2:56:58Speaker 05

  I have been for a few years, yeah.

• 2:56:59Speaker 02

  Oh, nice.

• 2:56:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I bought a boat, screenwriter, Muay Thai, obviously.

• 2:57:04Speaker 00

  Stop asking about the midlife crisis.

• 2:57:05Speaker 05

  Five years from now, I'll be posting up in Colombia and actually post a picture of me with a woman thinking it's cool, like that she likes me. Like I met this little, little bundle of joy.

• 2:57:17Speaker 02

  She loves Americans.

• 2:57:18Speaker 05

  Yeah. Like, we just randomly met and connected. I, you know, it's just, I found my person. Took a while. So yeah, I get, I'm probably five years away from that part of it. But I, when I was with, um, well, Wes, but it's, you guys know him as Diplo.

• 2:57:36Speaker 05

  His, uh, his fight coach, Yama, boy I hung out with all weekend. And then he kept being like, he wanted to grapple with me. And I was like, I'm not good at any of that shit. Like, I don't know how to do that stuff. So he leaves, like, he like tied, Diplo was doing a set and there's a video, you can see Yama, and he's like 60 pounds less than me. And he's like pushing me all over the place. And I finally am like, all right, fuck, like, I don't really want to do this anymore. Like, I'm.

• 2:58:03Speaker 00

  Those guys are badasses.

• 2:58:05Speaker 05

  I know. We hit it off great, but that part, like at any moment, I'm in a clinch.

• 2:58:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:58:09Speaker 05

  I was like, dude, I'm in Chicago for a couple of days.

• 2:58:11Speaker 00

  You fight him off?

• 2:58:13Speaker 05

  Not, it's not very good. I'm, I'm admitting, like, I'm not, the last thing I want anyone to think is I'm some badass.

• 2:58:19Speaker 00

  So you're not gonna do the Jonah Hill?

• 2:58:23Speaker 05

  Only, I like Jonah Hill, but that was.

• 2:58:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, you gotta say that now, because he'll fucking end you otherwise.

• 2:58:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, so you know what?

• 2:58:31Speaker 00

  He's leaving it at that.

• 2:58:32Speaker 05

  Next question. Next question.

• 2:58:34Speaker 00

  Uh, I'll let Max ask one Sixers question to end.

• 2:58:41Speaker 04

  Is it gonna work?

• 2:58:45Speaker 05

  What a great, he should have a, you should have your own fucking show.

• 2:58:49Speaker 04

  That, it's, it's the only thing I want to know.

• 2:58:52Speaker 05

  The Embiid bet's a bad bet. So like, I can't say, I can't sit here and say yes. And what we mean by work is like getting out of the East.

• 2:58:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, yes.

• 2:59:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's it. Get out of the East. It's not impossible. I just.

• 2:59:06Speaker 04

  He's skinnier.

• 2:59:07Speaker 05

  He does look better.

• 2:59:08Speaker 04

  He's skinnier. I, I don't know what that means, but he is skinnier.

• 2:59:12Speaker 00

  I mean, he has to play, what, 40, 40 games this year? And they could still get a top two or three seed?

• 2:59:18Speaker 05

  I feel like I could argue seven teams for like a one or two seed. It's, it's kind of exciting.

• 2:59:22Speaker 02

  Go through that list of seven teams.

• 2:59:24Speaker 00

  Oh, no.

• 2:59:25Speaker 02

  No, I just want to hear, we're talking ball. This guy's talking ball.

• 2:59:27Speaker 05

  I cannot believe you guys gave Trey Young that contract.

• 2:59:30Speaker 02

  Oh, here we go. Here we go.

• 2:59:32Speaker 00

  Oh, you got, oh, Windhorse got to you, huh?

• 2:59:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's exactly what happened.

• 2:59:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, the windy mafia.

• 2:59:36Speaker 02

  Why don't we wait until after?

• 2:59:37Speaker 05

  Right, because prior to that, I was open-minded about it.

• 2:59:39Speaker 02

  Why don't we, uh.

• 2:59:41Speaker 00

  Love Trey Young before that.

• 2:59:42Speaker 02

  Let's wait for a ball to be tipped off before we bury a guy's contract, okay?

• 2:59:46Speaker 05

  Can I say something to Max here about his Sixers question though?

• 2:59:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:59:49Speaker 05

  That's really funny and then Embiid thing. Because I finally was like, hey, look, cool workout drills.

• 2:59:57Speaker 05

  He's gotta lose weight. He's gotta lose weight. As great as his shooting touch is, as great as all that stuff is, like, he's gotta lose weight. Like, there's no other way to go into this season other than he has to lose a little bit of weight. And so then a Sixers fan emailed the show, it wasn't even life advice, but it made its way in. It was like, aren't you, who's always complaining about injuries? Don't you think it's time for you to listen to your, because my doctor was like, hey, you could probably just avoid some of these injuries if you wanted to get back down to like 220, 215. I'm like, fuck off nerd.

• 3:00:28Speaker 05

  And the emailer basically saying, I'm a hypocrite for suggesting Embiid needs to lose weight while I myself will not listen to my doctor's orders.

• 3:00:35Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 3:00:36Speaker 05

  And get down to like 220, 215.

• 3:00:37Speaker 02

  Because as a podcaster, the, the physical toll that your body takes over the course of a season is, is severe, to say the least.

• 3:00:43Speaker 04

  But Embiid did lose weight.

• 3:00:45Speaker 00

  He's gotta lose more.

• 3:00:47Speaker 05

  But that puts me even further on the hot seat.

• 3:00:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, that's true.

• 3:00:52Speaker 04

  The Sixers are at a better spot now than they were that, when they ended the season. And that's the only thing that I just have to keep reminding myself is that the Sixers were in a state of nothingness. And now they're in a state of maybe somethingness.

• 3:01:04Speaker 02

  Somethingness, yeah. LeBron might have arthritis though, so he's, he's taking it easy.

• 3:01:09Speaker 05

  And this is the first time a team has won where it's been the first time I'd say in three years, maybe four years, no, three. So it'd be Denver, it'd be Boston, it'd be OKC, where the same thing happened. It's like, when's this Denver run gonna end? All right, next year. All right, Boston, just pull this out. Look how young they are. Like, they're gonna go forever. Okay, no. And then OKC wins it. And they're like, how could you possibly?

• 3:01:33Speaker 00

  Pick against them, yeah.

• 3:01:33Speaker 05

  That's not happening with the Knicks in the East. So that's a good.

• 3:01:37Speaker 04

  I still think the Knicks are really good.

• 3:01:39Speaker 05

  Of course they are.

• 3:01:39Speaker 04

  I mean, I, that, that honestly makes me feel worse that the Knicks will be, be the team that.

• 3:01:45Speaker 05

  Because no one's talking them up the way we have the other three champs.

• 3:01:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:01:48Speaker 02

  Did you see this, uh, this Russian mnemonic plague thing? I think it's LeBron and he's trying to get everybody into a bubble, so he can win another championship.

• 3:01:59Speaker 05

  I think he might be on to something there.

• 3:02:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:02:00Speaker 02

  We'll look into that.

• 3:02:01Speaker 00

  We'll look into it.

• 3:02:02Speaker 02

  Wait, but real quick, unpack the, uh, the seven, the one through 10 teams that you think could compete for an East title.

• 3:02:09Speaker 05

  I'm gonna forget some. New York, Pacers, Boston. I'll never pick Cleveland in a series that matters, but they're gonna have a good seed. I still am a huge believer in Orlando. Everybody can shut the fuck up. I'm probably wrong. So that'd be Philly would be six and Toronto. Like Toronto, Scotty Barnes, man, after that playoff series, I was like, hey, I really like him and or maybe he's only this, or maybe he's like good, but not. I fucking love Scotty Barnes after this playoff series. And the only thing with Kawhi is now that he's resigned, you just won't know whether or not he's gonna show up to work, which is why he wanted to go to Toronto, because there's such fucking pushovers in that city for anything that's ever been positive, that they were like, you, we just psyched you came back, even if you

• 3:02:54Speaker 05

  don't want to play.

• 3:02:55Speaker 00

  He's getting paid to live there.

• 3:02:56Speaker 05

  And he was like, this is perfect. You're gonna extend me out like this and all of it's in the past and I just get paid again for being a horrible partner. This is perfect for me. And Toronto's like, we're absolute suckers.

• 3:03:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:03:08Speaker 05

  We'll do it. I don't, I don't.

• 3:03:11Speaker 00

  Scotty Barnes.

• 3:03:12Speaker 05

  I don't like the Toronto fanbase that much. I like Scotty Barnes more.

• 3:03:14Speaker 06

  Future face of this league.

• 3:03:16Speaker 02

  Uh, wait, that was seven. You gotta do eight, nine, 10.

• 3:03:23Speaker 05

  Ryan, I like the Chicago, I like the Bulls system.

• 3:03:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, Norm Powell said it perfectly. When he's like, yeah, we might, we might be good and we might suck.

• 3:03:32Speaker 05

  Oh, I haven't even said Miami. Sorry, PFT.

• 3:03:34Speaker 02

  Nine. And so we went, went through nine, Ryan's top 10, almost done.

• 3:03:40Speaker 05

  Well, Charlotte.

• 3:03:42Speaker 02

  All right.

• 3:03:42Speaker 05

  And now they move on from.

• 3:03:44Speaker 02

  Get them out here. You know what? You're not invited to any games.

• 3:03:46Speaker 05

  I'm not, uh, I gotta see what that looks like, man.

• 3:03:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, you do. Yeah, you do. And you will.

• 3:03:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, you'll see. Everyone's gonna see.

• 3:03:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:03:58Speaker 00

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• 3:04:03Speaker 05

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• 3:06:02Speaker 00

  Okay, let's wrap up the show, guys on chicks. But before we do that, what, what's going on right now?

• 3:06:07Speaker 02

  Well, no, this is actually the first question that was written in. Um, do you guys think that Earth is flat? And that's from, uh, Chris. He's four years old from Chicago.

• 3:06:18Speaker 06

  No. 60% no.

• 3:06:20Speaker 00

  60% no?

• 3:06:22Speaker 06

  I got a quick question. This is, I just asked a question to some guys and they spun it. I have a quick question, gentlemen. If you saw a compilation of guys who fly planes, pilots.

• 3:06:32Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 3:06:32Speaker 06

  Being asked after the flight, what do you think the Earth is flat or round? And, and, and so many pilots go instantly round. What would your thought be about that?

• 3:06:42Speaker 02

  It's round. My thought would be that.

• 3:06:43Speaker 06

  No, I misspoke. All these pilots say flat.

• 3:06:46Speaker 02

  All the pilots say flat.

• 3:06:47Speaker 06

  A lot of pilots are saying flat.

• 3:06:49Speaker 02

  Uh, then I, I'm never gonna fly in a plane again.

• 3:06:52Speaker 00

  Who, who said this?

• 3:06:54Speaker 06

  I, all I did was see a video of many pilots being asked if they think the Earth is flat or round. A lot of pilots were saying flat. I don't make a decision based on that, but I'm just saying if anyone sees the most Earth, it's definitely the guys steering the planes. Something to think about.

• 3:07:09Speaker 00

  So you think the Earth is flat?

• 3:07:11Speaker 06

  I.

• 3:07:12Speaker 04

  40%.

• 3:07:13Speaker 06

  60% think it's round, but I'm just saying we gotta give some validity to pilots who are like.

• 3:07:18Speaker 02

  It sounds like you're arguing a lot more in favor of it being round than it being flat if you think it's 60% round.

• 3:07:23Speaker 06

  I'm trying to be objective here. They're in the skies.

• 3:07:26Speaker 02

  Right. Um, this video, are we sure that it's not a prank video?

• 3:07:31Speaker 06

  Uh, no.

• 3:07:32Speaker 02

  Was Danny Jackal one of the pirates?

• 3:07:34Speaker 06

  Definitely wasn't.

• 3:07:35Speaker 00

  Also, isn't 60% round, 40% flat, when you combine them, exactly what the Earth is? The spheroid or whatever, the, the oblate spheroid where it's not actually, it's like kind of misshapen? It's literally misshapen. If you look up the Earth, like what the actual, what the actual Earth looks like, not, not from a NASA picture, but what its actual shape is, it's like, kind of like a misshapen like ball of like Play-Doh. So it's kind of, that's probably what it is. Look at, get off this, get, look up the, look up the Earth, what, what the Earth's shape is.

• 3:08:12Speaker 04

  But Zach said all the pilots are saying it's flat.

• 3:08:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I want to see, I want to see the pilot video, cause I want to see.

• 3:08:16Speaker 00

  There's one pilot that says it's flat.

• 3:08:18Speaker 04

  And it's, and it's a little kid asking him.

• 3:08:20Speaker 00

  Okay, so this is, this is.

• 3:08:21Speaker 04

  So it could be.

• 3:08:22Speaker 02

  Flat, I just got one question.

• 3:08:23Speaker 06

  I saw it on a different medium.

• 3:08:24Speaker 02

  Flat Earth ball.

• 3:08:25Speaker 00

  All right.

• 3:08:27Speaker 02

  I don't, I would not fly with those pilots.

• 3:08:29Speaker 00

  See, look up, look up the shape of the Earth. And this would, this would basically be if you do go 60% round combined with 40% flat.

• 3:08:38Speaker 04

  I know, like at the poles, it's squeezed.

• 3:08:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, look at that. That one, all the way to the right. That's 60% round, 40% flat.

• 3:08:48Speaker 00

  It's quite literally it. There's a flat part right there on the bottom.

• 3:08:54Speaker 04

  But, but the whole thing is still round.

• 3:08:56Speaker 00

  Ish.

• 3:08:57Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:08:58Speaker 00

  Ish. All right. So, so how did this come up?

• 3:09:04Speaker 02

  We're just a couple of guys chopping it up.

• 3:09:06Speaker 04

  Zach was like, yeah. No, a quarterback's, this is.

• 3:09:09Speaker 02

  There's a quarterback that said that he thinks that the moon landing didn't happen.

• 3:09:13Speaker 00

  Who's that?

• 3:09:14Speaker 02

  You have guesses? All right, blind resume.

• 3:09:17Speaker 00

  Aaron Rodgers.

• 3:09:18Speaker 02

  Blind resume. One's Tua and one is Drake May. Blind resume. Which one said the Earth? Or that the moon landing didn't happen?

• 3:09:25Speaker 00

  I would say Tua.

• 3:09:26Speaker 02

  No, Drake May.

• 3:09:27Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 3:09:28Speaker 02

  Drake May said the moon landing might not have happened.

• 3:09:29Speaker 00

  Hank?

• 3:09:31Speaker 05

  It, that's a, that's like a good conspiracy. Like, that's an accurate one.

• 3:09:34Speaker 00

  It's actually a basic bitch conspiracy theory.

• 3:09:37Speaker 05

  Which is like a good answer where it's like, we're not gonna get into like crazy conspiracy theories. We're gonna go with one that's pretty much like a fact.

• 3:09:43Speaker 00

  My MVPs, they say Babe Ruth wasn't real.

• 3:09:47Speaker 02

  I'm pretty sure he was just watching tape.

• 3:09:49Speaker 00

  He's like, remember?

• 3:09:50Speaker 02

  You want to be like your heroes, right? Aaron Rodgers.

• 3:09:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:09:53Speaker 02

  He's like, yeah, this studying tape.

• 3:09:55Speaker 00

  By the way, did we ever talk about?

• 3:09:56Speaker 05

  Is there a wind on the moon, PFT?

• 3:09:58Speaker 04

  Who said Babe Ruth isn't real?

• 3:09:59Speaker 00

  PCA, when he was asked for his favorite conspiracy theory, he's like, I don't believe it, but I saw a conspiracy theory that Babe Ruth wasn't real.

• 3:10:06Speaker 02

  Is there?

• 3:10:07Speaker 04

  I thought the Babe Ruth thing was that he was black.

• 3:10:09Speaker 00

  No, no, that he's Dominican. That is a real one.

• 3:10:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:10:12Speaker 00

  But PCA was like, I saw someone make the theory that Babe Ruth was not real. And then I found out, I don't know if we ever talked about it, closed the book on this. Do you know who created the Babe Ruth wasn't real conspiracy theory? It was Buddha Ben.

• 3:10:28Speaker 00

  Buddha Ben created a video that was like, what if Babe Ruth wasn't real?

• 3:10:32Speaker 04

  There's videos of Babe Ruth.

• 3:10:33Speaker 00

  I understand, but he was like, he was having fun with it and he was like, I'll send you the video. It's all time. The, uh, yeah, we had.

• 3:10:42Speaker 02

  Are you sure Buddha Ben didn't read about that somewhere and then?

• 3:10:44Speaker 00

  No, he made a video that went kind of viral that was really stupid and very funny. Babe Ruth isn't real. I saw this conspiracy theories with the guys. Are you drinking piss, Zach?

• 3:10:57Speaker 06

  Not piss.

• 3:10:58Speaker 00

  What the fuck was that?

• 3:11:00Speaker 06

  If we're, we talked about the piss charts earlier. If your piss is this color, see a doctor.

• 3:11:03Speaker 00

  So why are you drinking?

• 3:11:04Speaker 06

  This is just water flavored with sweet tea.

• 3:11:06Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 3:11:06Speaker 02

  Wait, wait.

• 3:11:08Speaker 00

  So how much?

• 3:11:09Speaker 02

  That's sweet tea, dude.

• 3:11:10Speaker 00

  Sweet tea did you put into the water?

• 3:11:12Speaker 02

  Cows, local.

• 3:11:13Speaker 05

  It's a flavor agent that tastes like sweet tea.

• 3:11:15Speaker 04

  Like, you know, you know, Mio, a little flavor enhancer.

• 3:11:18Speaker 00

  I just imagine Zach just pouring sweet tea into a Body Armor bottle and just being like, yeah, it's water flavored with sweet tea.

• 3:11:25Speaker 05

  It's like infused.

• 3:11:26Speaker 00

  Okay. You big sweet tea guy?

• 3:11:28Speaker 05

  Uh, I do like sweet tea, yeah.

• 3:11:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. Southern man.

• 3:11:32Speaker 02

  All right, so moon landing fake.

• 3:11:34Speaker 00

  Yep, Babe Ruth, Dominican.

• 3:11:36Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 3:11:36Speaker 04

  Good at fake use.

• 3:11:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right, go ahead, uh, Hank.

• 3:11:40Speaker 03

  Speaking of conspiracies, uh, fact, the last team to go 0-4 and make the playoffs was the 1992 San Diego Chargers.

• 3:11:47Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 3:11:48Speaker 03

  Conspiracy. Coach Harbaugh has planned this 0-4 start this whole time to get the team mentally prepared to win out.

• 3:11:55Speaker 02

  Hmm, okay, uh, I don't hate, I don't hate to cope.

• 3:11:58Speaker 00

  They could beat the Broncos.

• 3:12:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is great cope, actually. This is like the last straw that you have as a Chargers fan, like, maybe this is all by design.

• 3:12:07Speaker 00

  Let's see the Chargers' schedule, because we knew it was, all right, so they have the Broncos at the Chiefs, that's tough, at the Rams, oh my god, it never stops for them. Yeah, no, they're not.

• 3:12:19Speaker 02

  Okay, let's see.

• 3:12:19Speaker 00

  They're not going to the playoffs.

• 3:12:20Speaker 02

  Broncos, Chiefs, Rams, Texans, Ravens.

• 3:12:25Speaker 00

  Jets, Patriots.

• 3:12:26Speaker 04

  Is this the easiest picky bet ever?

• 3:12:28Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's the most no-stress I've ever had, it's awesome. Feel great about it.

• 3:12:33Speaker 02

  What if Michigan just called a par bond and said, hey, we'd like to hire you back? I know there's a whole show cause thing.

• 3:12:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:12:38Speaker 02

  But we'll just accept getting kicked out of the playoffs and postseason ban, and then we can just like complain about not being allowed in the postseason, but we can still win football games?

• 3:12:47Speaker 00

  I, that, I mean, I saw, I saw some Michigan fans theorizing that last night, because they were talking about how, uh, well, there was a Michigan fan who was like, Harbaugh should just come back, and then there was a Michigan fan who was like, Harbaugh fucked us because he basically, uh, when he left Michigan was like, hey, you guys should hire, like, push Sharon Moore on him so that he could keep Jesse Minter.

• 3:13:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:13:13Speaker 00

  Cause he was like, that's the dummy, I want the smart guy.

• 3:13:16Speaker 02

  And then Urban Meyer was like, hey, I got a great guy that you can hire, my best friend, my buddy, trust me, I'm Urban Meyer.

• 3:13:26Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:13:26Speaker 02

  Don't look at my resume and where I coached.

• 3:13:28Speaker 00

  I'd love to have Harbaugh back at Michigan, it'd be fun.

• 3:13:30Speaker 02

  I mean, it, I think it, there's a certain percentage of Michigan fans that would accept a postseason ban if it meant that they could come back, win, beat all their opponents, and then be like, you guys are pussies for not letting us in the playoffs.

• 3:13:43Speaker 00

  Yes, absolutely.

• 3:13:45Speaker 02

  Which is actually, that's probably the, that's, that's the funniest possible outcome to this.

• 3:13:48Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 3:13:50Speaker 03

  My question to you guys is, for the rest of the NFL season, how many head coaches can we expect to not make it through? I have the line set at three.

• 3:13:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, there were a lot last year, so I think, I think the crops can be down this year.

• 3:14:01Speaker 03

  Over, under?

• 3:14:02Speaker 02

  I'm gonna say over, because there'll always be some

• 3:14:04Speaker 00

  Wait.

• 3:14:05Speaker 02

  impulsive.

• 3:14:05Speaker 00

  Are you talking about in-season?

• 3:14:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:14:07Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 3:14:10Speaker 02

  In-season firings I could see coming, possibly Todd Bowles.

• 3:14:13Speaker 00

  Definitely Todd Bowles.

• 3:14:14Speaker 02

  Um, possibly, I mean, if things go really bad in Los Angeles, I could see Harbaugh, if things go, like, off the rails bad.

• 3:14:24Speaker 03

  Or things go really bad in, in Washington.

• 3:14:27Speaker 02

  It's a possibility, yeah.

• 3:14:29Speaker 00

  Green Bay, maybe, I don't, I still don't think the Packers should do it. Yeah. So, it's like, no, I take the under, I think there might be one or two in-season, because the other thing is like, the Titans just hired Sala, Cardinals just hired LaFleur, the, the Dolphins just hired, uh, Halfley.

• 3:14:46Speaker 03

  About the Jets.

• 3:14:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. Jets definitely, definitely could see that in-season. Right?

• 3:14:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, could be in the next two weeks.

• 3:14:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:14:54Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:14:55Speaker 00

  So, yeah.

• 3:14:55Speaker 02

  Memes, probably two or three. What'd you think about that tweet from the Jets?

• 3:15:00Speaker 04

  Working in social media, you just gotta post, post something.

• 3:15:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, you got numbers, you gotta get numbers.

• 3:15:04Speaker 04

  You gotta, and they did.

• 3:15:06Speaker 02

  What was it, it was, uh?

• 3:15:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly, you know how it is, that's why you posted, all the stuff you posted about me.

• 3:15:10Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm, yeah, you don't want to.

• 3:15:12Speaker 03

  Numbers factory.

• 3:15:13Speaker 04

  Numbers factory.

• 3:15:14Speaker 02

  Was it, was it four plays, 26 yards?

• 3:15:16Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 3:15:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, they just, they had to post something.

• 3:15:19Speaker 03

  Is that a bigger reach than the 0-2 fart graphic?

• 3:15:22Speaker 00

  No, 0-2 fart made perfect sense.

• 3:15:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, you destroyed the same season.

• 3:15:25Speaker 00

  Yeah. And Pelicans.

• 3:15:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. You turned them, your fart turned them into the Taints.

• 3:15:30Speaker 00

  You, you, you farted and destroyed two professional franchises.

• 3:15:34Speaker 03

  Well, they're, whatever.

• 3:15:35Speaker 02

  The New Orleans Smellicans and the New Orleans Taints, thanks to your butthole.

• 3:15:41Speaker 03

  Subhose and memes, the 2026 Browns will be the 2025 Patriots. First-year coach, easy scheduling, probably will get lucky playing injured opponents, no Breece Hall this week, and maybe no Lamar next week, Giants with no dart, Deshaun and Drake May are the same talent-wise.

• 3:15:57Speaker 02

  Same personalities, too, I heard.

• 3:15:58Speaker 03

  Browns will go to the Super Bowl and get fucked like the Patriots did, Hank hates Cleveland, but he doesn't realize that he is Cleveland now.

• 3:16:06Speaker 00

  All right.

• 3:16:06Speaker 03

  I think you're trying, you're, you're hoping that

• 3:16:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:16:08Speaker 03

  at best, at best, Cleveland is New England. That made, I was following that until the Hank is Cleveland.

• 3:16:17Speaker 00

  The

• 3:16:17Speaker 03

  I will never.

• 3:16:18Speaker 00

  The schedule thing is not, Dom was whispering this the other day, he's like,

• 3:16:22Speaker 03

  Although we are, but we're gonna both get swept in the first, in the playoffs.

• 3:16:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:16:25Speaker 03

  That sucks.

• 3:16:25Speaker 00

  You might, he's like, Dom, Dom was talking about, he's like, we might be the schedule this year, cause he was looking ahead, but I, I don't know, I also don't know who we, like, we don't fully know who's good and bad, uh, like, I think he was looking at it being like, oh, the Texans is an easy game, Texans are an easy game.

• 3:16:41Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 3:16:42Speaker 00

  Just cause they're 0-4.

• 3:16:43Speaker 04

  Dom's a crazy person.

• 3:16:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's a crazy person.

• 3:16:45Speaker 04

  He followed me into the bathroom today with two cases of Stella Blue in his hand, cause I just said, I just said, guards, huh?

• 3:16:52Speaker 02

  I don't think that they are the schedule, because

• 3:16:54Speaker 04

  Zach, Zach walked in and he was like, Dom, what are you doing in here with two cases of Stella Blue in your

• 3:16:58Speaker 00

  Someone, someone talked about my favorite team.

• 3:17:00Speaker 02

  You can't be the schedule if, if you're a team that is part of other teams' easy schedules. Like, when the Patriots see the Browns logo last year, that was one of the teams that were like

• 3:17:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:17:10Speaker 02

  cakewalk.

• 3:17:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:17:11Speaker 02

  But the Browns, I don't think they can become schedule merchants.

• 3:17:15Speaker 00

  Right, what, what was, what was going on there?

• 3:17:17Speaker 04

  Zach, I didn't hear what, what Dom actually said to Zach, he goes, no one normally gives me a layup like that to talk about Cleveland.

• 3:17:22Speaker 03

  That's basically what he said.

• 3:17:24Speaker 00

  No one says my team's name.

• 3:17:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:17:26Speaker 03

  A little bit of paraphrasing, but it was just like that, it was like, well, it was, it was right there.

• 3:17:30Speaker 00

  It's also ridiculous, because it's not like you were saying, guards, huh, like, they're hot, they're getting fucking killed.

• 3:17:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:17:36Speaker 00

  It was guards, huh? Most people wouldn't want to talk about the team after being down 2-0, both home games.

• 3:17:42Speaker 04

  No, he's, he's back, they're gonna win.

• 3:17:43Speaker 00

  No, there's not a single guy in that lineup that is scary.

• 3:17:49Speaker 02

  Also, the Bills, the Bills might be schedule merchants.

• 3:17:53Speaker 00

  Why?

• 3:17:54Speaker 02

  Something to look at.

• 3:17:54Speaker 00

  They have an easy schedule?

• 3:17:55Speaker 02

  No, they beat the Texans week one, Texans

• 3:17:58Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:17:58Speaker 02

  not good, they beat the Lions week two, Lions not good, they beat the Chargers week three, barely, Chargers not good.

• 3:18:05Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:18:07Speaker 02

  Played the Patriots, and so, yeah, not, what I'm getting at is

• 3:18:10Speaker 00

  So then when the Patriots

• 3:18:11Speaker 02

  not an impressive win by the Patriots.

• 3:18:13Speaker 00

  Patriots, yeah.

• 3:18:15Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 3:18:15Speaker 02

  Cause the Bills aren't, the Bills are schedule merchants.

• 3:18:17Speaker 00

  Got it.

• 3:18:18Speaker 02

  So you just beat a schedule merchant.

• 3:18:19Speaker 03

  What's a win? Uh, is there a bigger mental gap between a team's record than 2-2 versus 1-3? It's only one game difference, but I feel like a 1-3 team is dead, 2-2, anything can happen.

• 3:18:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:18:30Speaker 03

  Even the difference between 2-3 and 1-4 feels huge.

• 3:18:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:18:34Speaker 03

  Is this just a fan's way to cope? I feel like it ends there, once it's 3-3, 2-4, 1-5, it starts to all blend into bad teams, whereas week five has a unique 2-2 versus 1-3

• 3:18:43Speaker 00

  You're right.

• 3:18:43Speaker 03

  or 0-4, where there's hope versus no hope.

• 3:18:45Speaker 00

  This is exactly correct.

• 3:18:46Speaker 02

  It's a, it's a very good point.

• 3:18:47Speaker 00

  Yeah. And there is a massive difference between 2-2 and 1-3.

• 3:18:50Speaker 02

  I also, there's a couple other ones out there, I think that the difference between 8-2 and 9-1 is big.

• 3:18:56Speaker 03

  No.

• 3:18:57Speaker 00

  Hmm. I think both are good teams.

• 3:19:00Speaker 02

  And I think the difference between 10-7 and 9-8 is massive.

• 3:19:05Speaker 00

  That is, that makes sense.

• 3:19:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:19:07Speaker 00

  That one makes sense, cause 10 wins is double-digit wins.

• 3:19:12Speaker 00

  Is that it?

• 3:19:14Speaker 03

  I believe so.

• 3:19:15Speaker 00

  All right, good show, boys. Do some numbers, memes, you ever gotten this?

• 3:19:20Speaker 04

  I have.

• 3:19:21Speaker 00

  No, you haven't.

• 3:19:22Speaker 04

  Two times.

• 3:19:27Speaker 00

  Eighty.

• 3:19:27Speaker 03

  Ten.

• 3:19:28Speaker 04

  Three.

• 3:19:29Speaker 00

  Oh, you went three.

• 3:19:33Speaker 00

  What did you guess last time?

• 3:19:34Speaker 04

  Two.

• 3:19:35Speaker 02

  I'll do two.

• 3:19:42Speaker 00

  I will do two.

• 3:19:44Speaker 04

  Go ahead, man.

• 3:19:47Speaker 00

  I just did, man.

• 3:19:50Speaker 04

  Number houses max pass. Not true, I'll do seven.

• 3:19:57Speaker 02

  Eighty-six.

• 3:19:58Speaker 04

  Eighty-six for Shane. Jalen Brown, the fuck.

• 3:20:00Speaker 02

  Sixty-nine.

• 3:20:04Speaker 02

  Fifteen.

• 3:20:26Speaker 00

  I need two. One more, one more, one more song.

• 3:20:37Speaker 00

  Memes? You ever got this?

• 3:20:59Speaker 00

  Eighty-three.

• 3:20:59Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 3:21:02Speaker 00

  I thought someone said eighty-three.

• 3:21:03Speaker 04

  Uh, Shane said eighty-six.

• 3:21:05Speaker 02

  I said eighty, and then memes said three right afterwards.

• 3:21:07Speaker 04

  Ah.

• 3:21:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:21:09Speaker 04

  Combo.

• 3:21:10Speaker 02

  Combo, hey, memes, we almost got it.

• 3:21:11Speaker 04

  I love a combo.

• 3:21:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:21:13Speaker 02

  Um, happy birthday to Priest Holmes, happy birthday to Chase Daniel, happy birthday to Mookie Betts, happy birthday to Vladimir Putin, happy birthday to Simon Cowell, happy anniversary to Pearl and Andy Lockwood.

• 3:21:26Speaker 03

  Fuck, yeah.

• 3:21:26Speaker 02

  And on Thursday.

• 3:21:27Speaker 03

  No, it's my, whatever, my second cousin, second uncle, my dad's cousin.

• 3:21:35Speaker 04

  How did you get?

• 3:21:36Speaker 02

  Also, happy birthday to

• 3:21:37Speaker 03

  It's the same person, like, it's got, it's like

• 3:21:38Speaker 02

  Happy birthday to one, yeah.

• 3:21:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:21:40Speaker 02

  Matt Damon, happy birthday to, uh, Bubba Wallace, happy birthday to Grayson Allen, happy birthday to Brian Thomas Jr., happy birthday to Sigourney Weaver and Nick Cannon. Love you guys.