CFB With Andy Staples, Lions TE Sam LaPorta, Rays In The WS, Commanders Lose To The Niners Plus Listener FAQ’s

The Rays are in the World Series after beating the Guardians in 6 and setting up the analytics World Series with the Brewers (00:00:00-00:13:06). MNF and the Niners stay undefeated while Jayden Daniels had an up and down game and another weird situation with him and Dan Quinn (00:13:06-00:37:07). Jalen Hurts put on season ending IR with some confusing timelines (00:37:07-00:48:26). Hot Seat/Cool Throne including the return of NBA, Colts fire Chris Ballard and more (00:48:26-01:10:37). Andy Staples joins the show to recap an incredible Week 7 in CFB, BYU taking down Notre Dame, who’s to blame for the failures in Texas, wide open Big Ten and SEC and more (01:10:37-01:53:31). Lions Tight End Sam LaPorta joins the show to talk ball, the Iowa Tight End factory, Jared Goff, Ben Johnson and more (01:53:31-02:23:26). We finish with listener submitted FAQ’s. You can find every episode of this show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or Netflix. Prime Members can listen ad-free on Amazon Music. For more, visit barstool.link/pardon-my-take https://barstool.link/pardon-my-take

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  Welcome to Pardon My Take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, October 21st. And where do you guys want to start with? We've got so much sports. We got the sports equinox coming up.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  Sports equinox is always a powerful, powerful thing.

• 2:55Speaker 00

  Do you want to talk the World Series? The Tampa Bay Rays punched their ticket?

• 2:58Speaker 02

  World Series, it's, it is the championship series in a major sport. I think that's where we have to start.

• 3:04Speaker 00

  Okay, so the Rays are going to the World Series to play the Brewers. They win game six.

• 3:10Speaker 02

  Two first timers in the World Series.

• 3:11Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 3:12Speaker 02

  Love that. Potential first time champions.

• 3:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. They've, neither team has won it. The Rays have been to the World Series recently. The Brewers 1982. That was actually great showing by the Trop. Let's, let's give him some credit. The Trop showed up. Max, you agree?

• 3:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, the Trop, the Trop was bumping. They kind of had, I was feeling the vibes from the Trop last night. They kind of swayed me.

• 3:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, Junior Cameron Arrow, huge home run. Freddie Peralta has been incredible. Remember we had Anthony Rizzo on the show a couple of weeks ago, the things that he said to us. He said, if you're a hitter, go to Los Angeles. If you're a pitcher, go to Tampa. Freddie Peralta is a shining example of that. They, I saw someone comment on it that, you know, Freddie Peralta was bad for the Mets this year. He gets traded to the Rays. They tell him to throw more changeups. They move where he plays or where he pitches from in terms of on the rubber. He's closer to third base. He's pitching out of the stretch. He's been one of the best pitchers in the last six weeks, including the playoffs. And the Rays feel, they feel game. This feels like a fun World Series, PFT.

• 4:17Speaker 02

  Well, it's also a coronation of nerd culture.

• 4:20Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:20Speaker 02

  In baseball, because I talked about this when the Brewers advanced, but the two teams share a lot of commonality in the front office.

• 4:26Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 4:26Speaker 02

  They've like gone back and forth. There's guys that have played, that have been on, on each team over the past 10 years.

• 4:32Speaker 04

  Played analytics.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Played analytics. Yeah, they played spreadsheet. They've got some of the best.

• 4:35Speaker 00

  It's Battleship.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, spreadsheet guys.

• 4:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:38Speaker 02

  So, but it is going to be small ball. We're going to see some small ball. We're going to see a lot of like directional hitting. We're going to see steals. We're going to see bunting. So it's going to be a fun World Series, I think, for sure. Have we reached closure on the brass ticket, the forever ticket? Did the Brewers end up doing the right thing on that?

• 4:57Speaker 00

  I think they didn't.

• 4:59Speaker 02

  They did not do the right thing on it.

• 5:01Speaker 03

  I think they

• 5:02Speaker 02

  It was very important.

• 5:02Speaker 03

  Did give tickets, but I think it's like

• 5:04Speaker 04

  Their version of the right thing. Their tickets are in like the 400s.

• 5:07Speaker 03

  That's what it is.

• 5:08Speaker 02

  So they're not $1,000 tickets.

• 5:09Speaker 03

  So they're giving them the ticket. Well, I think they technically are $1,000 tickets in the, what the resale market would be.

• 5:15Speaker 04

  It's not the right thing. They're, they're, they're, they're like doing what they legally have to do, but I wouldn't say it's the right.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  I don't like that.

• 5:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 5:24Speaker 04

  Would you agree? Like if you buy that ticket thinking they get to the World Series, like they're, and then they're like, oh shit, we got to give them.

• 5:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, they, they got, they got, they got like their pants down. I think they were in the midst of a six losing seasons and they're like, no way will we go to the World Series. And they're like, we don't have to, they're Scott's tots. They Scott's totted this.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  Yes. They're skating by on the technicality of the resale market is looking like it's over $1,000. And I think everybody actually bought the tickets that you could buy for $1,000 from the team. So that to me, I don't know, feels like they might be opening themselves up to a lawsuit. And also maybe

• 5:59Speaker 04

  Or a curse. It's a curse.

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  Big time curse. Big time curse. For the, so, so back to ALCS, I feel like the Guardians kind of just ran out of gas. It was a Herculean effort to come back from down 2-0 against the White Sox. You could see it. Gavin Williams, their, their ace pitches game five against the White Sox. He only pitches once in the ALCS. That's brutal. The, you know, his velocity was down. Messick looked like he was getting tired. They just ran out of gas. They tried to guard ball it. The Rays were the better team overall. I'm excited for this World Series. I think it's, I think it's going to be good. Like I, I think the Rays have a weird, their bullpen isn't the best until they get to Baker, but they do have starting pitching.

• 6:46Speaker 00

  Like Rasmussen has been insane. Freddie Peralta's been insane. And it's like they, they are very similar teams that they both put pressure on each other. Like the Rays are, the Rays will be able to score and manufacture things unlike the Dodgers being like, hey, if we're not hitting, we're just not hitting. So, and the Brewers do the same thing. It's going to be fun.

• 7:05Speaker 02

  Did you see Cameron Arrow's homerun last night? How long it took him to round the bases?

• 7:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, I thought it was too long.

• 7:11Speaker 02

  You thought that was too long?

• 7:12Speaker 00

  Max and I have had a disagreement. We did wake up Barstool today.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  Thirty, I was at 35 seconds.

• 7:16Speaker 00

  Thirty eight.

• 7:16Speaker 02

  Thirty eight seconds to go around the bases. I think in that moment,

• 7:23Speaker 02

  in that moment, you can go a little bit faster.

• 7:24Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 7:24Speaker 03

  Oh, I thought you were going to go the other way.

• 7:27Speaker 00

  PFT, here's my

• 7:28Speaker 02

  You can go a little bit faster than that situation.

• 7:30Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 7:31Speaker 00

  Here's my argument.

• 7:32Speaker 02

  If it's a walk off.

• 7:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. Here's my argument, PFT, against, because I do love bat flips and I think big moments should be celebrated. My issue is, and this goes for Contreras too, it's double and Acuna did this as well. It's, you can only stop once. You can't stop twice. He stopped going to first base.

• 7:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:54Speaker 00

  And then he stopped and did the Randy Rosarina, two Randy Rosarina right before home plate. You get one stop. You get one stop.

• 8:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, Rosarina was cool though.

• 8:03Speaker 00

  It was. But you, then don't use the, I think it's just ridiculous. Like it's a homerun trot. One stop is fine. And that's my problem with like Acuna, when he stops at shortstop and like turns around and then stops again.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  You know what?

• 8:16Speaker 00

  It's like, you get one stop.

• 8:17Speaker 02

  It should be, if, if you take more than one stop, second one counts as a mound visit.

• 8:22Speaker 00

  Well, I

• 8:22Speaker 02

  So you can't use that anymore.

• 8:24Speaker 00

  My, my dumb, my, my, Mike Greenberg's dumb rules was every position player has a baseball in their back pocket. And if there's a shot clock, once you hit a homerun and it's 35 seconds, and if you go over 35 seconds, everyone can throw it at you.

• 8:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:40Speaker 00

  So like the catcher can literally bean you from like two feet away.

• 8:43Speaker 02

  Get beat. I think it should count as a mound visit or an ABS challenge.

• 8:46Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:47Speaker 02

  So it should call, if it, if it takes longer, let's say 30 seconds, because at that point I have to assume that you're injured if you can't get around the bases in 30 seconds.

• 8:55Speaker 03

  I loved it. I thought it was great.

• 8:57Speaker 00

  You got swept up by the Trop.

• 8:59Speaker 03

  It made it a little exciting and in a matchup that, you know, wasn't the most exciting matchup.

• 9:04Speaker 02

  The most exciting part of the game was how long it took this guy to go around the bases.

• 9:08Speaker 00

  Which was

• 9:08Speaker 02

  That's what you just said.

• 9:10Speaker 00

  It's hurting.

• 9:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, it was a homerun. Yes.

• 9:13Speaker 02

  I think, I listen, I like it too. And I think that if you're, if you're the Guardians, if you hit a homerun after that, then you should be entitled to take twice as long.

• 9:21Speaker 00

  You should actually get to like legitimately put your, you should get to Bronco bust the first baseman, like crotch in face.

• 9:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:30Speaker 00

  I

• 9:30Speaker 02

  Kid's got to get home for school.

• 9:31Speaker 03

  I have one gripe with it. If you're gonna do the, the chest, the chest pound that he did before first base, it can't be a wall scraper like that. You gotta hit a bomb. Because that's like,

• 9:45Speaker 00

  whoa, whoa, Hank Scott, oh, that was a Hank was sort of big time face.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  I mean, he didn't even get a barrel on it. Like, it was a great, it was a good piece of hitting, but like, there's something about the, the, the chest punch that-

• 9:57Speaker 02

  It's a home run in the fucking send your teeth to the World Series, dude.

• 10:02Speaker 03

  No, I mean-

• 10:03Speaker 02

  It's still a home run.

• 10:04Speaker 03

  I fought, I fought against Big Cat against, I fought against Big Cat on this hard this morning, and I loved it, and I did think it was great, but it was a wall scraper. It barely got out. I, I, haven't looked at the, the stat tracks or whatever they call it, but I'm sure that's a homer in like, three ballparks.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  But the moment, it's less, it's less to me about how, how monster of a dong it was, and more about what the moment looked. The moment was big, but I agree, it, 30, 38 seconds?

• 10:32Speaker 00

  38 seconds.

• 10:32Speaker 02

  38 seconds is too long.

• 10:34Speaker 00

  Again, it goes to like, I, I'm, I'm cool with everything except stopping dead in your tracks twice.

• 10:41Speaker 05

  I think they should make it like chess where each team has a certain amount of seconds per game.

• 10:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:46Speaker 05

  If your guys run fast, and then you're, you know, you're, you're in the eighth inning, and it's like, you got 60 seconds on the clock, you can take your time.

• 10:53Speaker 00

  I love that idea. That's such a good idea, Hank, because then you're like, oh shit, it won't count as a home run. If, if you have 60 seconds, and, and Junior Camarero takes 38, and then you hit another one that takes 15, and now you have to sprint to have it count?

• 11:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:07Speaker 00

  That's a good call. That's a really good call. Uh, all right. So yeah, congrats to the Rays. Also, Yandy Diaz calling his shot. That was cool. He was like, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna finish it out. And they hit a homerun. Like, that was, we need more guarantees like that. And people, I know that probably people weren't like, thinking it was the most high stakes thing, because it wasn't a game seven. But still, to say that, and then back it up.

• 11:31Speaker 02

  Max is right. Home run in three out of 30 parks.

• 11:33Speaker 00

  Wow. Oh, four. Four.

• 11:37Speaker 02

  That one says three.

• 11:37Speaker 03

  No, three.

• 11:38Speaker 00

  Oh, oh, okay. See, I, I thought it was, uh-

• 11:40Speaker 03

  Houston, Yankees, Tampa.

• 11:44Speaker 00

  Wow. Max is a ball knower. Damn.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  Mickey Mouse parks.

• 11:49Speaker 00

  Damn. All right. So you're back on our side, Max?

• 11:52Speaker 03

  No, I'm not. I still think that, that it was cool. I just, I, I would, like, the Jose Batista was such a bomb.

• 11:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. And then- Yeah, yeah. And I, I, backflips are my favorite. I actually love backflips. I think when the, the change we've made where it's like, we've almost lost the backflip and gone to just homerun trot pimping, I would prefer backflips to be ridiculous. I want guys launching their bats. I want them doing tricks on their bats. I want them riding their bats.

• 12:19Speaker 02

  Like a pogo stick?

• 12:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, right. Like, like a witch in a broom. Once you start your trot, just do your trot.

• 12:25Speaker 03

  One more thing about that game, Yandy Diaz deserves credit.

• 12:28Speaker 00

  I just said that. You were, you, it's hard.

• 12:29Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  Trying to figure out if that was the number.

• 12:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, I said it's rare for guys to be able to like, just confidently say, yeah, we're gonna win this game, and then win it. And they also produce in that, which he did with the homerun.

• 12:43Speaker 03

  Sealed the game.

• 12:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, guards are just the same. Again, they're consistently in the playoffs. They're like small market Yankees, who, congrats to Yankees fans bringing back Aaron Boone. Huge news.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I said, you gotta, you almost have to extend him. My problem with Aaron Boone was that you need, the guys around him have to have confidence that their manager's going to be there.

• 13:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  And now that they know that he will, I feel like now is the time when Aaron Boone's system really takes off.

• 13:08Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Continuity is important.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 13:11Speaker 00

  They treat, they treat Yankees, they treat Yankees players as like, uh, as like old dogs. Where it's like, we can't, we can't move. We, this old dog can't take this move. The surroundings have to stay the same.

• 13:24Speaker 02

  You need, you need consistency. And more, more than anything, what is the Yankees organization? Class.

• 13:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:29Speaker 02

  Aaron Boone, class act.

• 13:31Speaker 00

  Class, classy guy. He loses with class.

• 13:34Speaker 02

  He does.

• 13:34Speaker 00

  That's a fact. If you-

• 13:37Speaker 02

  Would you rather win as a scoundrel or, or lose with class?

• 13:41Speaker 00

  Oh, lose with class.

• 13:42Speaker 02

  Lose with class. That's what sports is about.

• 13:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. You gotta be able to lose with class. And he's the classiest loser there is.

• 13:47Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 13:48Speaker 00

  He's really good at it.

• 13:48Speaker 02

  Probably the best to ever do it.

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• 15:16Speaker 00

  PFT, Monday Night Football.

• 15:18Speaker 02

  Brock Purdy, I think we can agree, probably the league MVP right now. The season ended today.

• 15:23Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  Brock Purdy MVP.

• 15:25Speaker 00

  He looked awesome until-

• 15:26Speaker 02

  49ers, absolutely.

• 15:28Speaker 05

  He looked awesome in the first half.

• 15:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, Mike Evans going out was, was significant. And I also, I don't fully understand playing Mike Evans when he has to stretch in between each play to keep his Achilles warm.

• 15:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I don't know what, what's going on. If that's like Achilles tendonitis, and if that's something that's gonna get better, if you expect it to get better right now, if you have to go over to Italy, wherever Christian McCaffrey was, when he was considering retiring per the walls at Barstool Sports, and get like, whatever weird platelet injection that, that he got. But it doesn't seem like a good idea to have his, like, he, he shouldn't have been playing at all last night, I think.

• 16:02Speaker 00

  No.

• 16:02Speaker 02

  If that's what it was gonna look like. He's awesome when he does play. Uh, but yeah, the, the 49ers are, I think, the best team in football.

• 16:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:10Speaker 02

  I don't think that's controversial to say. I think Brock Purdy, right now, is the league MVP.

• 16:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'd agree. And it's, it is kind of crazy to look at it through a third of the season. The Niners have a three-game lead in the NFC West, which we all thought was gonna be the most competitive. And they, not only do they have a three-game lead, they're 3-0 in the division.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:29Speaker 00

  So this does look like, and their, their defense, that, those two plays by Mustafa at the end of the game-

• 16:36Speaker 02

  Incredible.

• 16:37Speaker 00

  Were phenomenal.

• 16:37Speaker 02

  Incredible plays.

• 16:38Speaker 00

  Phenomenal.

• 16:39Speaker 02

  And then Fred Warner just, just dominating people physically.

• 16:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. And Kittle's the man.

• 16:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:44Speaker 05

  Fred Warner was just, just like 2004.

• 16:47Speaker 00

  Oh, he was lighting his head on it. Yeah.

• 16:50Speaker 05

  Diving at people's heads.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  He was headhunting. The referees were like, well-

• 16:53Speaker 05

  He just complained so hard, the refs were like, oh my God, don't, don't hurt us, Fred.

• 16:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, please, Fred.

• 16:56Speaker 05

  All right. No, no foul on the play for just diving into a guy's skull.

• 17:00Speaker 02

  The refs were like, well, Greenlaw, we, we kicked, we suspended him for a week, so I guess he's not headbutting somebody.

• 17:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:06Speaker 02

  That's okay. Well, yeah, let's, like, boys will be boys, Fred.

• 17:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:09Speaker 02

  But, but by the way, it is awesome to watch him play. Like, Fred Warner is legitimately, like, an insane talent, physical freak, and he plays with, and he's such a nice guy, like, face to face. The nicest, like, most-

• 17:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, we loved having him on.

• 17:23Speaker 02

  He's like the calmest dude, and then he gets on the field, and he's like, I want to murder everybody that I see.

• 17:27Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Uh, is that it for the recap?

• 17:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm correct. The 49ers, great football team. Outstanding football team.

• 17:33Speaker 00

  Do we have, what, Hank? You got a question?

• 17:36Speaker 02

  No.

• 17:36Speaker 00

  No, go for it, question.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  I mean, there, there is some-

• 17:38Speaker 00

  Do you want to open it to question time?

• 17:39Speaker 02

  I do, I do. Can I start with a question?

• 17:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, of course. To yourself?

• 17:43Speaker 02

  Were the Eagles trying to get Jalen Hurts killed?

• 17:46Speaker 00

  Oh, it's with the blood clots. Yeah. It's a good question.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  What's going on?

• 17:49Speaker 03

  We're on Monday Night Football Talk right now.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  I think-

• 17:52Speaker 05

  I, I would like, I have a statement. I have a, I would like to-

• 17:55Speaker 02

  I think somebody's life is more important than a game.

• 17:57Speaker 03

  Well, we're currently talking about the game.

• 18:00Speaker 02

  But some things are bigger than the game.

• 18:02Speaker 03

  Well, we could have, we could have led with that instead, but instead, we're talking about-

• 18:07Speaker 00

  We should have actually led with NBA opening night.

• 18:09Speaker 02

  As a fan of humans, just humanity in general, I'm a humanist. You guys know me. I've been very clear about that.

• 18:14Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 18:15Speaker 02

  I want to make sure that everybody's okay.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  I want to make sure that the commanders know that there's four downs before you have to get another first.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was the old Tom Brady. You learned that from Tom. Remember that one? Where he held up, he held up like four, and he was confused.

• 18:30Speaker 00

  That was at Soldier Field.

• 18:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, so even like, you know, that happens to the great ones. I, I would say it only happens to the great ones. We're in a primetime game, you forget-

• 18:39Speaker 05

  Well, that's Dan Quinn.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  Maybe what Dan was.

• 18:41Speaker 05

  That was the, that was the player, not the quarterback.

• 18:44Speaker 02

  Dan Quinn was very clear after the game.

• 18:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  Dan Quinn was very clear after the game. He said, I definitely knew it was fourth down. So it's like, my, my, I definitely knew it was fourth down shirt is raising a lot of questions from people that are already answered by my shirt.

• 18:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:59Speaker 02

  Dan Quinn, for the record, definitely knew it was fourth down, and in no way, shape, or form, could he have admitted that he didn't know what down it was, because then he would be immediately fired, and probably just put on a boat and driven out to Alcatraz, and not let on the plane back home, if he said, yeah, I didn't know what down it was.

• 19:16Speaker 00

  So do we blame Dan Quinn or Jaden Daniels?

• 19:18Speaker 02

  I think it's, again, it's 100% both their fault. Jaden Daniels has to know, there's guys on the sideline that are holding up sticks-

• 19:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  That say four, the number four on them. There's lights all over the stadium that say the number four on them.

• 19:30Speaker 05

  Also, just maybe like a memory, like, how many plays have we-

• 19:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, how many have we done?

• 19:34Speaker 02

  The only possible explanation, and if you want, that whole play was, it reminds, the more things change in DC, the more they're exactly the same as they were 10 years ago, and 20 years ago, and 25 years ago, and 30 years ago. It's always the same. That play was so fucking funny when you watch it back. Fourth and two, Jaden rolls out to his right, there's a, a pre-snap penalty, which, yeah, no shit, because we get like, seven of those a game. It's crazy how many pre-snap penalties we've had. Uh, and then Jaden rolls out to his right, and then throws the ball out of bounds, well out of bounds, and Sour Dough Sam, the mascot for the Niners, makes a fucking hell of a catch.

• 20:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:14Speaker 02

  Look at this catch. Max, can you, can you maximize that video? Look at this grab that the mascot made on this pass.

• 20:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:23Speaker 02

  Take it a little bit further back.

• 20:24Speaker 05

  Cross body.

• 20:25Speaker 02

  Cross body. Take it a little bit further back. Show it in real time, Matt.

• 20:28Speaker 00

  Great catch. Yeah, it's uh.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  Look at that grab. Just like.

• 20:33Speaker 00

  That was bad. You can't do that.

• 20:35Speaker 02

  Eyes on it.

• 20:36Speaker 00

  You gotta, you gotta give your guys a chance.

• 20:38Speaker 02

  Funny point number one about the play. Funny point number two about the play is the camera naturally pans over to Jaden Daniels right afterwards. All smiles from Jaden. Cause he see, that was funny. He acknowledges like, you guys see Sourdough Sam make that catch? Pretty funny stuff, huh guys? And then the camera pans over to Fred Warner. And Fred Warner's like, hey dude, that was fourth down. And Jane's like, really? And then it goes to Dan Quinn and Dan Quinn goes, field goal. Let's kick a field goal. What, what? That was fourth down?

• 21:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:08Speaker 02

  As Jaden's walking past him and then Dan Quinn starts to freak out afterwards because he understands how bad this whole situation looked. And the only possible explanation from this was that Jaden saw the flag and thought it was offside's free play. In that case, still try to throw it for a touchdown. Don't throw the ball out of bounds.

• 21:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:28Speaker 02

  It's a free play for a reason. It just god awful shit from the commanders in the first half. That was one of those ones where it was like, this is, this is, I've seen this so many times, the exact same vibes of the swinging gate from Jim Zorn on Monday Night Football against the Giants. This is about to get worse. It's gonna get worse. And then what does that motherfucker, Dan Quinn do at halftime? Somehow he pulls the team together and they go out and they play with their hair on fire and they come back and they almost win. And I don't think that it saved his job. I think Dan Quinn's probably still fired this week and rightfully so.

• 22:04Speaker 00

  Oh, this week? Oh, you have a bye week. That's right. I forgot about the bye.

• 22:07Speaker 02

  I think it might be midweek firing. I think that Josh Harris told Dan Quinn that he should start wearing his hat forwards in their last come to Jesus meeting that they had. Uh, and so Dan Quinn goes out there hat forwards, trying to look professional. The same shit just keeps happening. Really bad job by the coaching staff. Really bad job by Jaden Daniels on that play. And then they come back and they almost win the second half. You're like, this is the most infuriating thing that I've ever seen.

• 22:36Speaker 00

  Uh, what was your question, Hank?

• 22:38Speaker 05

  I have a question. I have more of a statement because like obviously, you know, PFT is pretty, pretty mean towards Drake May and Patriots fans get riled up. I don't, I don't view our relationship as.

• 22:48Speaker 02

  I bet, I bet a lot of money on the Patriots to win the Super Bowl.

• 22:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, you did. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. I'm on your side. I'm, I'm completely.

• 22:54Speaker 02

  I also bet on Drake May to beat the Bills the other week.

• 22:57Speaker 05

  Yeah. Great pick. Again, like, like I said, we're on the same team. Uh, but a lot of people were like tagging me this tweet saying, Jay Daniels has only won two games since his rookie season.

• 23:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:07Speaker 05

  And his last win was the starter came in October 5th, 2025. So that was

• 23:10Speaker 02

  True.

• 23:11Speaker 05

  Two years ago.

• 23:12Speaker 02

  True.

• 23:13Speaker 05

  Jay Daniels played unbelievable in the second half.

• 23:15Speaker 02

  His last win came what?

• 23:16Speaker 05

  October 5th, 2025.

• 23:17Speaker 00

  He's 0-7 and 1 in games he started the last eight games.

• 23:21Speaker 05

  He and people were like, oh my God, so much bad tape, pen tape watch. Like get out there. Jay Daniels played out of his mind. Like in the second half. Like he, he, he was unbelievable.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that's what.

• 23:33Speaker 05

  I would be excited. I like, I, I think Dan Quinn did save his job. I think Dan Quinn did save his job.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  No, fuck Dan Quinn. He like, for him to not know what down it was, it's, it's inexcusable. Like coming off a week where he had the big question, the only thing anybody ever talked about for the entire week.

• 23:49Speaker 05

  He knew what down it was.

• 23:50Speaker 00

  Is there a chance?

• 23:51Speaker 02

  No, correction. He said, I definitely knew.

• 23:53Speaker 00

  Can I ask, is there, is there a chance that he didn't, he got confused because of the throwaway? On what down it was?

• 24:01Speaker 02

  I think more than.

• 24:01Speaker 00

  Cause no one would ever throw it away on fourth and two.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  No, because he's also like, he's in the headset comms before that play.

• 24:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:09Speaker 02

  He's gotta know what, what down it was. You can't, if you're, if you're a head coach and your quarterback throws away on fourth and two, you need to be yelling at your quarterback if you also knew that it was third.

• 24:18Speaker 00

  No, I think he was just confused. He's like, wait, we obviously have another down because he threw it away.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  A competent head coach would say, what the fuck are you doing? That's fourth down. Whatever the problem is, it's everyone's fault. Jaden has to know. Really shitty play on his part. Really shitty job. And I, shockingly, Dan Quinn's biggest adjustment over the last week, besides turning the hat around. I forgot, I did not report this on Sunday. He's making David Blau stand slightly closer to him on the sidelines.

• 24:45Speaker 00

  That's smart.

• 24:45Speaker 02

  That was the other thing that, that Dan Quinn installed as a change. So then Hank, yes, to answer your question, Jaden played great in the second half and he's played great football this year. We have not won games. I don't think outside of like brain farts and what happened at the end in the very last play against the Giants. It's like, he's so good and then.

• 25:05Speaker 05

  The Seahawks, he almost beat the 49ers.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then in one moment, he's so bad.

• 25:09Speaker 05

  And you should have, I mean, you beat the Giants.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  It's, it's like, you buy it, you buy beachfront property, but it's on the bikini islands and there's radiation everywhere. So there's a beauty, I'm, I'm living in tropical paradise. And it's perfect except for the fact that, uh, there's an atomic bomb buried underneath my dick. So I don't know. Um, he played so good in the second half too. He played really, really good. Good enough to come back and win. Uh, we were right in the game. Bad luck on the holding call that brought back the touchdown that would have put us ahead. Uh, but yeah, it was, it's so frustrating because he's so good and he plays so well. But then the one mistake that he makes, it is like just soul crushing. But then he, I mean, credit him. He came back, played awesome in the second half and uh.

• 25:56Speaker 05

  They did almost run out of time and to end the game again.

• 25:58Speaker 00

  I will say, I'm gonna back up.

• 26:00Speaker 05

  The greatest ending of all time.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  It would have been.

• 26:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  I'll back up intentional grounding.

• 26:04Speaker 00

  I'll back up Jaden Daniels on the intentional grounding. I actually think he had, that's a OC problem because there's no underneath route.

• 26:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:10Speaker 00

  And if he throws that deep and like everyone had, like it, it just was a shit show. He couldn't throw it deep because he was basically getting chased. If he takes a sack, everyone has to come back. It probably is more than 10 seconds to get the next playoff. So that one is, that one I, I had no problem.

• 26:29Speaker 02

  Yes, that one was, everyone, everyone was like, you can't take an intentional grounding. Um, yeah, I actually do think that was the right play. In fact, I was, I was defending my guy last night. Uh, I got, Arian hit me up after the game and he goes,

• 26:46Speaker 02

  big mistake, another big mistake in a close game. Cuz might be bad PFT. And I said, he takes that sack there and it's game over, just like last week. And he said, he sucks. He sucks fam. You sound like a delusional partner whose girl is a hoe. She just likes attention because she never gets it. And I was like, I'm right about the intentional grounding. You don't know ball, Arian.

• 27:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:07Speaker 02

  And in this case, I'm right about that. There's other things that you can, you can say from this game that he fucked up on. The fourth and two, absolutely terrible play.

• 27:16Speaker 00

  Maybe missing the underneath route on the, uh, on the Burks, which Burks made it, he tried to make a great effort there.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  Even on that one.

• 27:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  That he wasn't open when he.

• 27:27Speaker 00

  Diggs?

• 27:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, Diggs was not open at the time that Jaden could have thrown that ball. By the time, they broke it down on the post game. Jason McCordy broke it down and showed like, here's how, when Diggs became open, it was not possible to get that throw off in time.

• 27:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:40Speaker 02

  He still ended up putting the ball and trailing Burks' hands.

• 27:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, it was, it was a hell of an effort. It's impossible to try to, Mustafa just made a great play.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  Great play. Again, like the play on this and the play before.

• 27:51Speaker 00

  He might be open there.

• 27:53Speaker 02

  No, at the time they, they broke down on like the wider angle.

• 27:56Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 27:56Speaker 02

  And he was, I mean, you can argue with Jason McCordy, Patriots legend, Super Bowl champion.

• 28:01Speaker 00

  Fact. Max, you're a film watcher. What do you think?

• 28:05Speaker 03

  He's gotta wait for the all 22.

• 28:06Speaker 00

  Gotta wait for the all 22.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't, I don't know.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  It was close.

• 28:11Speaker 03

  I think you can still look at the vision though, so don't worry about it.

• 28:13Speaker 02

  Thanks, Max.

• 28:13Speaker 03

  He's so open. He's still running.

• 28:17Speaker 00

  He's still running.

• 28:18Speaker 03

  Still running.

• 28:18Speaker 00

  He looks open.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  You can't say that, Mews. But they, they did break that exact play down and at the end of the day, he put the ball in Burks' hand and Burks caught it. And then Mustafa made a great play. And Mustafa made a great play to stop a first down right before that. So like that's, that's making a good play and it gets beaten by a great play. I don't have a problem with any of that. I've watched a lot of bad ball in my life. Jay Daniels, not a bad ball player. Good ball player. Great ball player. Makes, it seems like a minimum of one boneheaded mistake per game. And it's like, how do you stop? How do you fix that? I don't know, but I think having competent coaches would help. We've seen a lot of quarterbacks

• 29:00Speaker 02

  progress when they have competent coaching staff around them. I think a lot of the mental stuff like that would probably get, it wouldn't get worse. It would probably get better if you had a, a smarter coaching staff around him. Preferably an offensive mind. And I love Dan Quinn. He does get the, the team to play hard for him. His, his players love him.

• 29:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, this was the same coaching staff for Jaden's first year.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:22Speaker 00

  When he was, when he played out of his mind. But yeah, I agree.

• 29:26Speaker 02

  Head coach.

• 29:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, he knows Dan Quinn.

• 29:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, not Cliff.

• 29:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  Not Cliff.

• 29:30Speaker 05

  What's the big board look like? The PFT big board?

• 29:33Speaker 02

  Who do I want on the, for coaches? I gotta, I gotta put the.

• 29:36Speaker 00

  Double D?

• 29:37Speaker 02

  The search committee back into play. Double D's is number one.

• 29:40Speaker 00

  No, Double D's number one?

• 29:41Speaker 02

  Number, well, that's just because I haven't put the official, no. Okay. He's number one, but there's two number ones.

• 29:47Speaker 00

  Uh, Declan Doyle.

• 29:48Speaker 02

  Declan Doyle's number one.

• 29:49Speaker 00

  Ravens OC came from Ben Johnson.

• 29:51Speaker 02

  Tied for number one.

• 29:52Speaker 00

  OC quotes last year.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  Tied for number one. We've seen Josh Harris and this ownership group be able to lure mega stars from Los Angeles.

• 30:02Speaker 00

  Hmm. Sean McVay?

• 30:06Speaker 02

  It's coming home.

• 30:07Speaker 00

  But everyone knows his.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  Sometimes you gotta go back.

• 30:09Speaker 00

  Everyone knows his system. You don't want him, remember? We talked about that guy?

• 30:13Speaker 02

  Not in the NFC East.

• 30:16Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  Not in the NFC East.

• 30:18Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  Come home, Sean, come home. You know that unfinished business in Ashburn.

• 30:23Speaker 05

  What if, what if, what if they had to use like shady tactics to get him to sign?

• 30:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, go for it. I don't think that he would because.

• 30:30Speaker 00

  What if they had to take bets on Fanatics?

• 30:31Speaker 02

  Because Michael Rubin's not in the ownership group.

• 30:34Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, sure.

• 30:36Speaker 02

  But yeah, I think, uh, I mean, not Magic Johnson. It's time for you to start. This is your call, Magic. I don't know that Josh is gonna do it. Make the right call, Magic. He's embarrassing you on national television over and over again.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  Step in.

• 30:55Speaker 05

  Do you not think though, like, I feel like you gave up on the season at the first half?

• 31:00Speaker 02

  I did mentally, yeah.

• 31:01Speaker 05

  That team was, that team was fighting.

• 31:03Speaker 00

  Fighting hard.

• 31:04Speaker 03

  Hang on.

• 31:05Speaker 00

  Hard.

• 31:06Speaker 02

  Second half mentally.

• 31:07Speaker 00

  They could still win the NFC.

• 31:08Speaker 03

  They can still win the NFC.

• 31:09Speaker 00

  They could 100% still win the NFC.

• 31:11Speaker 02

  Hank, I've, I've seen this exact, I've seen this exact team so many times before. And the only difference is they did, they did fight in the second half. There have been other seasons where it, it would have come out. And I did predict that it was going to get worse and worse and worse and worse and worse. This actually got better as the game went on. Um, I, I think that Dan Quinn has to go. And he's a nice guy. I don't know what happens with Dan Quinn's defenses, by the way, because he's a great defensive coordinator. The second he takes over running a team, the defenses get, the defenses are terrible. His, his.

• 31:43Speaker 05

  They stopped them the entire, I don't like.

• 31:48Speaker 05

  They couldn't, the 49ers couldn't do anything.

• 31:50Speaker 00

  He did play well defensively second half.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  Problem is there's two halves.

• 31:53Speaker 00

  True.

• 31:54Speaker 05

  The first half, yeah, you, but you gave up after one. That is the problem.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  I did give up.

• 31:58Speaker 00

  You almost won it twice.

• 32:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. The opportunity to win.

• 32:01Speaker 02

  We did have the opportunity to win, but Dan, Dan's gotta go. Dan, I'm sorry, you're, you know what? Dan, you seem like the kind of guy that might, Dan's got two moves. Number one, he could, uh, fire himself. And then name himself interim head coach, week to week. You gotta prove it every week. Two, he could demote himself and be co-defensive coordinator and let somebody else come in and actually run the team. Because Dan Quinn, he's a great defensive coordinator, really good guy. When he's a head coach, even his specialty, which is defense, that always finishes in the bottom, like bottom five, bottom 10 in the league.

• 32:36Speaker 05

  What about Tomlin?

• 32:38Speaker 00

  That, that actually, I've, I've seen it floated.

• 32:41Speaker 05

  Why not?

• 32:42Speaker 00

  Which would be very funny.

• 32:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it would be very funny.

• 32:45Speaker 00

  It would be, it would be tough because.

• 32:47Speaker 05

  You make the playoffs.

• 32:48Speaker 00

  It would, it would work out.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  We could win that division.

• 32:51Speaker 00

  When you wish, when you wish.

• 32:52Speaker 03

  You still win this division.

• 32:53Speaker 00

  When you wish Mike McCarthy on me, I'm gonna have to do the same and say, that would be very funny if Mike Tomlin was your head coach.

• 33:00Speaker 02

  The difference was you had a, a long rivalry.

• 33:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, true. But still, Mike Tomlin being like, well, we know the ceiling.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, it's, uh, listen.

• 33:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, Super Bowl.

• 33:09Speaker 02

  Tomlin is.

• 33:10Speaker 00

  Well, no, my, uh, ever since he started Minecraft, no. You'd have to get that in the clause, no more Minecraft.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  It's like the Kyler Murray deal.

• 33:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:18Speaker 02

  Tomlin is a, is a possibility for sure. I think that you, a name like that would be attractive.

• 33:23Speaker 00

  You need an adult.

• 33:24Speaker 02

  You need an adult. He's an adult and.

• 33:26Speaker 00

  Nothing, you know, your team might be in trouble if it, if it's ever said, we need an adult in the room. I remember when the Bears hired John Fox, it was like, we need an adult. We need an adult in the building. So again, no, you don't. You need someone who's good at coaching.

• 33:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. So that's, that's where I'm at. I think, I think I'm in a pretty realistic place. This, I just know that after that first half, I resigned my fact, myself to the fact that it's going to be one of those seasons. And if you're a fan of a loser franchise, you've, you've experienced this before, but it's gonna be one of those seasons where, when it's all said and done, all you're going to remember it by is when you go back and you watch Sonny Stiles highlights set to ante up. And that gets you pumped about something. That's the only upside that I'm gonna have after the season is watching defensive highlights from our awesome rookie.

• 34:14Speaker 05

  You're, you're, you're such a, like.

• 34:16Speaker 00

  You can still win the division.

• 34:17Speaker 05

  The NFC East is a joke.

• 34:19Speaker 02

  You can still win the division. But at the same time, that might be the worst thing for us to win the NFC.

• 34:24Speaker 00

  Well, Max is going through the same thing where it's like almost mean how gettable the NFC East is this year for the, for.

• 34:31Speaker 05

  The Jets, the Jets could be fighting for the AFC, the NFC East.

• 34:34Speaker 00

  Oh, Jets would be, I would take the Jets to win the NFC East.

• 34:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:37Speaker 00

  Without a doubt.

• 34:37Speaker 03

  They would dominate.

• 34:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  What do you, what do you guys think? What do you guys think? Uh, cause I, I've had this discussion with, uh, league circles.

• 34:46Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  What do you think Jaden Daniels goes? We had the Justin Herbert discussion. What do you think right now Jaden Daniels would go for in terms of a trade package?

• 34:57Speaker 02

  The answer I've, I'll, I'll wait to say the answer. I've gotten back.

• 35:00Speaker 00

  I believe he would go for a first, singular first.

• 35:06Speaker 03

  No, I think he'd go for two.

• 35:07Speaker 00

  No, because remember you have to pay him. So it's like different than Justin, like, I, I know that Justin Herbert, you're already paid, but it would be, there's a chance that you would not.

• 35:19Speaker 03

  More injured though. More injured.

• 35:20Speaker 00

  Right.

• 35:21Speaker 03

  That's, that's the kicker.

• 35:24Speaker 02

  No, he's plays quarterback.

• 35:26Speaker 03

  No, that's not what I said.

• 35:28Speaker 00

  You said that's the kicker. He said he plays quarterback.

• 35:31Speaker 03

  Because, because of his arm situation, it might, it might be less than two firsts.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  His left arm?

• 35:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, but it keeps breaking. You could, you say it yourself.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  It look, it's, I was, I might've been wrong about that because he's taken some shots the last couple of weeks and he seems to be okay. But like, he's landed on the left elbow a few times.

• 35:47Speaker 03

  You say, you even saying that, it's like.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  I'm also, I'm also a worrier when it comes to my quarterbacks and it, it's for good reason. It's my history.

• 35:56Speaker 00

  I think.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  I've got, I've got lived trauma.

• 35:58Speaker 00

  I give you a first because I do think that the fact that you'd have to get a contract done and you have very short amount of time to figure it out because it's.

• 36:07Speaker 02

  You can do fifth year.

• 36:08Speaker 03

  At least a first plus.

• 36:09Speaker 02

  You could do the fifth year.

• 36:10Speaker 03

  Like a first and a, first and a second or first.

• 36:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. There would obviously, it wouldn't be just the first, yeah. But I was just saying in first, like, maybe not two. Why? What did someone say?

• 36:18Speaker 02

  The answer is I've gone back solidly. It starts like the minimum two first rounders.

• 36:23Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 36:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I still think.

• 36:24Speaker 00

  But Justin Herbert then has to be three first rounders because you said he wasn't two first rounders.

• 36:28Speaker 02

  No, he is a fourth.

• 36:29Speaker 00

  No, no, but when we were having that discussion, Max and I were saying Justin Herbert's at least two, maybe three, and you said, no.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  I don't think three.

• 36:38Speaker 00

  But you said no to two. So you think Jaden Daniels would go for more than Justin Herbert?

• 36:42Speaker 02

  I think he might right now. Yeah.

• 36:44Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 36:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know about that. I mean, I know, I, I kind of agree with PFT.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  You can watch how he played. Okay. So his last, his last games of football, granted, it was one, it was, uh, one half against the Cowboys. And in that half, he looked good until he got injured. I would say the second half against the Eagles, uh, looked awesome. And then I would say against the Giants, he played pretty good until the big brain fart at the end, which is part of it. And then last night he played really, really good and he did it without even using his feet because they had Fred Warner spying for most of the game. So like the, the Niners took away a big part of his upside and not letting him run and he was still really, really good. So I, I would say he's probably more valuable than Justin Herbert right now.

• 37:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 37:28Speaker 05

  Agreed.

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Like without a doubt. So that's where I'm at. He's very frustrating in a roofer right now. Somebody figure it out, uh, because there's, there's something about his brain that just it, it gets unplugged once a game and except for that one unplugging moment, he's really, really good.

• 37:46Speaker 03

  We gotta flex our game, PFT. By the time this comes out, we'll know if it's flexed, but we gotta flex.

• 37:52Speaker 05

  What is it right now?

• 37:53Speaker 00

  Sunday night football.

• 37:54Speaker 03

  Sunday night football. And.

• 37:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, do it for us.

• 37:57Speaker 03

  For.

• 37:57Speaker 00

  For the podcast.

• 37:59Speaker 03

  We don't need, yeah, we don't need that. We don't need that.

• 38:02Speaker 02

  I mean, the game was entertaining last night.

• 38:05Speaker 05

  It was.

• 38:05Speaker 03

  But the Eagles are, the Eagles are not.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  You can still win that division.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  You can still win that division.

• 38:11Speaker 02

  No, you can't. We're trying, we're like playing hot potato. Like no, no, we don't want it.

• 38:15Speaker 03

  Actually, no, the Eagles can. Monday, Monday nights for everything. All the marbles.

• 38:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Speaking of the Eagles.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  By the way, history was made. The NFC East first division since the merger, go back to back weeks without winning a single game. And now that's gonna break, we think next week because the Eagles and the Cowboys have a game, but that could be a tie. The commanders might end up getting that, we might actually win the bye week and gain ground in the division by not playing.

• 38:40Speaker 00

  Hmm. Uh, Max, speaking of the Eagles, Jalen Hurts out for the season, blood clots.

• 38:48Speaker 00

  We have just like weird stories going back and forth. First it was reported that he didn't sleep. So Tom Pelissero wrote like, it was kind of a weird tweet because he was like, how much does, does Jalen Hurts love football? He didn't sleep and he had blood clots and played football. And there was a moment.

• 39:06Speaker 02

  Awesome story.

• 39:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, there was a moment on Monday morning where, uh, essentially the Eagles ruled, as we were being told, the Eagles ruled Jalen Hurts out for sleep, but ruled him in for an NFL game was what we, was essentially what it was. I said, I was like, I, this story doesn't feel like it makes much sense. I feel like he had to have slept. We gotta wait, like, then it comes out later that he did sleep a little. That the Eagles, I mean, Sirianni did a press conference. I don't know what's going on.

• 39:36Speaker 02

  So he did sleep a little, but the, I look back on it and the report's not necessarily wrong where doctors told him not to sleep. And then later on, after the night, they were like, okay, you can sleep now.

• 39:48Speaker 00

  But we had a, we had a beat writer.

• 39:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, Jeff McLean.

• 39:51Speaker 00

  Jeff McLean, Eagles beat writer on the, on WUB this morning. He said that he talked to some doctors. They're like, we wouldn't, we wouldn't say, don't sleep in that situation.

• 40:00Speaker 03

  I don't know what's going on. The one thing that it looks like it's, is that everyone's kind of just trying to save their ass.

• 40:06Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 40:06Speaker 03

  So they're trying to get reporters to report certain things to save their ass. And I don't necessarily know who's at fault or, or what's gonna, or gonna help, but that's what it looks like to me.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  Cause the report got changed right before Sirianni's press conference.

• 40:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:21Speaker 02

  Which is strange timing of it.

• 40:23Speaker 03

  Right.

• 40:23Speaker 02

  And I, I think from what I've seen, and I'm, I'm gonna be like Sirianni and say, I'm not a doctor. Can we all agree? Like, we're not doctors? Is anybody a doctor in this room?

• 40:31Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 40:32Speaker 00

  Nope.

• 40:32Speaker 03

  I'm close.

• 40:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, you are close.

• 40:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:35Speaker 00

  You're like one credit shy.

• 40:37Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 40:37Speaker 00

  Medical school.

• 40:38Speaker 05

  I mean, he's MD.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  Dr. Scholz. I think that what we're seeing is.

• 40:44Speaker 00

  Dr. Pepper.

• 40:44Speaker 02

  Dr. Pepper.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  Pepsi guy.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  Dr. Brown.

• 40:47Speaker 00

  We are Pepsi's.

• 40:47Speaker 03

  Pepsi, yeah.

• 40:49Speaker 02

  I think, uh, what we're seeing is, uh, like Max said, a team covering their ass. I think, uh, it was initially framed probably from the Eagles to Tom Pelissero of like, he's such a beast. Anybody that thinks that he doesn't love football, doesn't care about winning games, like he wasn't even allowed to sleep and he came out and he decided he was gonna play because we love him and that's how much he cares about the team. And then after the pushback, whatever the source was from the Eagles was like, shit, that really makes us feel, look like we were not caring about his health at all. Let's switch that up a little bit. From what I saw from other doctors, there are reasons if you've got like a blood clot that it's not advisable to stay still for very long.

• 41:30Speaker 00

  Oh, like get on a flight?

• 41:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, like get on a flight or like get up and, and walk around every now and again. Don't be sitting still, which sleep would be being still. Maybe that's where the, uh, like wires got crossed a little bit and the Eagles in their rush to talk about how much he loves playing football for the Eagles and what a great captain and leader he is, didn't think about the ramifications of telling that to a reporter. That's my guess.

• 41:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, your guess is as good as mine. I don't know how, how we're gonna actually fully find out what happened in London that morning because I don't trust anything. They keep, if you're gonna keep changing your report.

• 42:07Speaker 00

  You know what you gotta do. You gotta just, you gotta call Tom. You gotta talk to Big Tom.

• 42:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'll, I'll see him on Monday. I'll see him on Monday.

• 42:15Speaker 00

  He'll give it to you straight.

• 42:17Speaker 03

  But I, I don't, I don't know because the other weird part of it is everyone's saying medical malpractice, medical malpractice, Jalen Hurts is probably, you know, putting together a lawsuit against the Eagles or whatever.

• 42:32Speaker 00

  I don't think that's true anymore because.

• 42:34Speaker 03

  Because the agent keeps working with the Eagles. So it doesn't seem like Jalen Hurts is angry with the Eagles, but everyone else around us is like, he should be angry with the Eagles.

• 42:45Speaker 00

  Can we, can we throw out what the probable, uh, real explanation for all of this is? And that it's this. They probably found the, the blood clot. They probably were like, you know, that's not good. You gotta be careful with this. And they, the, the, the medical staff said, hey, Jalen Hurts, you could play. We can't, you know, like, it's up to you. If you want to sit out, Jalen Hurts wants to play. All these guys want to play. They will go to lengths to put long-term health at risk to play football. That is part of what happens in the NFL. So I don't think it's like, I think it's gonna come out that it wasn't like, the Eagles were like, you're a hundred percent healthy. They probably were like, Jalen, here are the risks.

• 43:28Speaker 00

  You could play. Here are the risks that are, that come with it. You make a decision and Jalen Hurts is like, I'm gonna play.

• 43:35Speaker 03

  And then you can make the argument, like, I, I don't even think that really helps the Eagles case at all. Like, I don't think that helps the Eagles medical staff or whoever's making decisions, whether that's Nick Sirianni or whatever. That wouldn't help them. The only thing that would help that, that would help like the Eagles organization as a whole would be if like the, the, the, the doctors were right in that time that like, playing football actually scientifically is correct. And I don't necessarily know if that's true.

• 44:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:07Speaker 03

  Because it seems to be that like, someone, some doctor had to have said, you are, you are good to go. For it to be okay.

• 44:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:16Speaker 03

  I don't know if we'll ever know what that doctor said, but for the only, the only way that it is okay for Nick Sirianni to make that decision is if a doctor would be like, he is healthy enough to play in this game.

• 44:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:28Speaker 03

  He can play in this game.

• 44:29Speaker 00

  I'm guessing they.

• 44:30Speaker 03

  Which I, I think, I, I feel like that had to have happened, that a doctor who looked at his leg in that point of time had to have been like, he is health, he is a hundred percent healthy enough to play. Or else they just wouldn't have played him. There were seven half point dogs in the game already.

• 44:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:45Speaker 03

  Like, it wasn't like it, it was a divisional game to get to the playoffs. I think if there was any.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  So you're saying that when we play each other, Max, he's coming back?

• 44:54Speaker 03

  No, I'm, I, I'm saying that like the end of the, it's not like it was the end of the year, win and get in sort of situation. It was a seven half point, you were a seven half point dogs in London against an AFC team. It's very easy to just chalk that game up if there's any question that Jalen Hurts, Hurts health is at risk.

• 45:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:13Speaker 03

  So I don't think Nick Sirianni, like, I don't think he, he would have made that risk if he didn't think that he was a hundred percent good to go.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  I, I agree that whatever doctor checked him out at the time, definitely, I definitely don't think that that doctor saw blood clots in his lungs and said, yeah, you're good to play football.

• 45:30Speaker 00

  No, that happened.

• 45:31Speaker 03

  That happened. Yeah, that's, that's.

• 45:33Speaker 02

  Now, now, did, now, did they check for additional blood clots in his lungs? I don't know if they, if they did all that. I haven't seen any reporting, but I'm assuming that they did, that they looked for other blood clots and there were none there.

• 45:43Speaker 00

  Blood clots confuse me.

• 45:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's the other thing. I don't know shit about blood clots.

• 45:47Speaker 02

  Cause I don't, I.

• 45:47Speaker 03

  I don't think Nick Sirianni knows shit about blood clots.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  I honestly don't know if playing in a football game, if you have a blood clot in your leg is a problem. Or it sounds like it is, but I'm not, I don't know. I don't know that it would be. It might not be.

• 46:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, Max had a, on, on national television this morning when this came up, Max said, I'm not smart enough to understand blood clots, so I'm not going to also tell Nick Sirianni, who's probably not smart enough to understand blood clots, how to answer the question.

• 46:15Speaker 03

  That was true.

• 46:16Speaker 00

  That was a, a good answer on national.

• 46:17Speaker 03

  That is a good answer.

• 46:19Speaker 00

  He basically, he basically took the defense of two dumb Italian guys. We cannot be held accountable.

• 46:24Speaker 03

  Nick Sirianni is supposed to know football. He's not supposed to, I'm not counting on him to know blood clots.

• 46:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:30Speaker 03

  He's listening to someone who is supposed to know blood clots.

• 46:35Speaker 00

  Also.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  On that decision.

• 46:37Speaker 00

  Part of the reason why I don't take blood clots serious enough is because every time we say blood clot, I think of troops, bumba clot. And that's in my head every time. And Pete. Yeah. And Pete wears his little compression socks. So I got, I'll hand up. I gotta respect blood clots more. They seem very serious. I just don't understand them.

• 46:57Speaker 03

  Agreed.

• 46:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:58Speaker 03

  We're on the same page.

• 46:59Speaker 00

  Season from hell though, officially.

• 47:00Speaker 03

  Season, season from hell. That's the other thing. If they, if they, if they thought there was any risk, he practiced. He came back and practiced right away.

• 47:10Speaker 00

  He got on a flight. He got on a flight.

• 47:12Speaker 03

  Like they, they must've just been given horrendous information for.

• 47:16Speaker 00

  Or they didn't know it all.

• 47:17Speaker 03

  Or they didn't know it all.

• 47:18Speaker 00

  Yeah. Because I mean, a flight, I think is like the one thing you're not supposed to do.

• 47:22Speaker 02

  It will give you blood clots.

• 47:23Speaker 03

  Then he would have stayed, but then he, he would have just had to stay in London for the next eight weeks, I, I read.

• 47:28Speaker 00

  Eight weeks?

• 47:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:29Speaker 00

  Holy shit.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  I think if you have the option, like get on a flight and risk dying or stay in London, get on blood thayers, you probably stay in London, right?

• 47:39Speaker 00

  Could he have taken a boat?

• 47:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, he could have.

• 47:42Speaker 03

  Maybe, I don't know.

• 47:43Speaker 00

  Cause the air pressure partially.

• 47:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:46Speaker 00

  Either way, the craziest thing to say about the Eagles season is that it's such a season from hell that it feels like, uh, like six months ago, that the, one of their best players in franchise history retired mid-season.

• 48:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:01Speaker 00

  Like Lane Johnson feels like ancient history story. And that's how much has happened in the last two weeks.

• 48:07Speaker 03

  Also, the funniest part, not the funniest, whatever, that is, we just forget that they had that game won until.

• 48:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:13Speaker 03

  The game was won. They were up, they were up with eight seconds left. No timeouts. Lost the game.

• 48:18Speaker 00

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• 50:04Speaker 05

  My hot seat's Troy Aikman and Joe Buck.

• 50:08Speaker 05

  It was, it was the definition of a hot seat. I feel like.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  You think it was awkward?

• 50:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:14Speaker 05

  It was awkward. I also, and I don't know if it was because, uh, there was so much discussion. So I was paying a little bit closer attention. It felt like Troy just had to poop in his pants the whole game.

• 50:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, you remember that game where he just like slammed Caleb Williams?

• 50:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:28Speaker 02

  It felt like the whole game, he was saying that about, just about everyone.

• 50:32Speaker 05

  Yeah. The refs, the calls.

• 50:34Speaker 00

  Except Purdy, loves Purdy.

• 50:35Speaker 02

  He does love Purdy. Yeah.

• 50:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's awkward. Um, I don't really know what they.

• 50:44Speaker 00

  We're good friends, Joe Buck. So it's like, I actually think Joe Buck probably did nothing wrong, other than maybe not communicating like well enough because listen, no free ads, but go buy our book. We talked, PFT and I wrote about this. When you're in a like relationship like this, it's very hard. And the only way to make it last long-term is you have to be really upfront with each other. And that's what we, when, when PFT had a contract up, when the Penn stuff was going on, we just were very upfront with each other being like, here's the deal. So that neither of us are blindsided. That's probably where it got awkward. They probably didn't do a good job talking beforehand, right?

• 51:25Speaker 02

  I don't know if there was an expectation from Troy that, that Joe was going to keep him in the loop and that they were a package deal and that, I don't know, maybe Joe got somebody at ESPN talked to him and Joe like kept that from Troy. I don't, I don't know exactly what happened, but if there was an expectation that they were going to kind of go through that negotiation together.

• 51:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  I could see why Troy would be a little bit miffed by that.

• 51:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, it, it, it probably, it probably wasn't, I mean, Joe probably just, I don't know if he did it. He might've done this, but just going up to Troy and being like, hey, they're offering me a hundred million dollars. I kind of have to take it.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  But also at the end of the day, Troy, you're going to get offered $60 million to talk about football once a week. It's not, you're not solving cancer. You're not, you're not doing anything, you're not like negotiating peace treaties. You're talking about football on Monday night. You're getting paid $60 million to do that.

• 52:25Speaker 00

  You're also.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  The guy next to you might be making $10 million more than you are every year. Who gives a fuck, Troy? This, you've got the best job in the entire world. Are you going to let the ego get in the way of you having a dream job? I don't know. Like you can't turn into a salty bitter coworker because Joe Buck got paid a lot of money and he didn't bring you along and hold your hand.

• 52:51Speaker 00

  And you also have to have the presence of mind of understanding the roles that you guys both have. Joe Buck's career will always last longer than the color analyst career. You know what I mean? Phil Simms was Jim Nance's partner.

• 53:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 53:04Speaker 00

  They threw Phil Simms to the curb because he had, all right, he'd been out of the league for 30 years and like, he's old. Jim Nance is still calling games. Joe Buck is going to call games for a long time and probably cycle through a couple of color analysts because eventually it's like, hey, Troy Aikman, you won a Superbowl 25 years ago. Maybe we're going to get someone new in.

• 53:24Speaker 02

  Troy Aikman's skillset, I don't want to diminish it because he is good on TV. I, I, I gassed him up the other day when I was like, Commander's fans, I don't think we see like a bias necessarily coming from him, even though we, we hate the Cowboys. But his job is like, you see a play happen, you're like, if, if, if he catches that ball right there, I'm not so sure that's not a first down. Like that's your job.

• 53:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:48Speaker 02

  If he, if he doesn't get his hands on that ball, I'm not so sure that he's not taking that and getting a, moving the chains on that there, Joe. Back, Brock Purdy, as good as you'll see in this league. Back to you, Joe.

• 53:59Speaker 05

  And to Big Cat's point, like you were, before this, you're a professional athlete, where it's like literally like huge disparities of pay and, and some people get paid more and, and it's like next man up.

• 54:09Speaker 00

  And Joe Buck is going to be, again, you, you, the, the play-by-play guy is always going to be probably more important and have the longevity. I mean, Al Michaels is still doing it. There's not an 80-year-old player still doing it. Like that's, I know Al Michaels is pretty washed, but this is just, it was always going to come a day where they were going to say, we want Joe Buck still and we don't want Troy Aikman.

• 54:31Speaker 05

  But they didn't.

• 54:32Speaker 00

  Sucks it, what maybe wasn't communicated? That always going to happen.

• 54:34Speaker 05

  They didn't do themselves any favors by like,

• 54:36Speaker 00

  No.

• 54:37Speaker 05

  by, by making it like, let's just, let's be professionals and power through. It was like the, the, the, the beginning of the broadcast was like, oh, man.

• 54:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. And Joe Buck did the thing after the game where they were on SVP together and SVP asked them a question. Joe did his thing where he was like, you want me to answer that too? Or, Scott, can I answer that? Like after Troy already answered it?

• 54:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:57Speaker 02

  Like there's some weird vibes going on that booth.

• 54:59Speaker 00

  Um, we'll stay in with Joe Buck though.

• 55:02Speaker 05

  Of course.

• 55:02Speaker 00

  He's loyal to us. So whatever he needs us to do. If he wants us to say like, oh, you did nothing wrong. We, we got you, bro.

• 55:08Speaker 02

  I was, you know what? I was equally for both of them. I wanted them both to get paid until Troy was too sassy last night. That's how, hey, it's a one week business.

• 55:17Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  What have you done for me lately? He was too sassy, made some remarks I didn't care for. Sorry, Troy. How it goes.

• 55:23Speaker 00

  All right.

• 55:24Speaker 05

  Uh, and then my cool throw is Jay-Z.

• 55:26Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. It's gonna be mine.

• 55:27Speaker 05

  Yeah. So Jay-Z's like, you remember like, I don't know, five, six, I don't know how long ago, but his company, uh, signed a deal with the NFL where his company picks and like finds the talent for the halftime show. And so I don't know if there was just, it was probably hard to book someone or what, but they said it was hard booking someone. So Jay, Jay-Z was able to book himself.

• 55:49Speaker 00

  Oh, nice.

• 55:50Speaker 02

  He was available?

• 55:50Speaker 05

  So Jay-Z is doing the halftime show.

• 55:52Speaker 00

  So he just looked around, he's like, shit, we need someone. Oh, I guess I could do this.

• 55:55Speaker 02

  This is, uh,

• 55:56Speaker 05

  You know who might be good for the halftime show? Like, I think, I think me.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. When, uh, George W. Bush was looking for a vice president, he hired Dick Cheney to run the search firm to try to find him one. And he came back, he's like, I gotta tell you something, George, I think it's probably going to be me. Yeah. So that's, that's what Jay-Z did right here. It should have been Miley.

• 56:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:17Speaker 02

  Should have been Miley disgusted.

• 56:19Speaker 00

  Should have been Ben Mintz.

• 56:21Speaker 02

  We'll have Ben Mintz. But yeah, Jay-Z, I mean,

• 56:24Speaker 05

  Power move.

• 56:24Speaker 02

  Jay-Z's got, he's got some great songs.

• 56:27Speaker 00

  He's got some bangers. Yeah.

• 56:29Speaker 02

  But I saw somebody point this out that like most of his bangers produced by Kanye.

• 56:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:36Speaker 02

  Is Kanye going to perform?

• 56:38Speaker 00

  Maybe.

• 56:38Speaker 05

  That'd be awesome.

• 56:39Speaker 02

  We're gonna have to repaint the end zones again.

• 56:42Speaker 00

  They're definitely gonna, I mean, Jay-Z's gonna have, uh, songs that we all know versus some of the halftime shows that we haven't, we haven't had that.

• 56:51Speaker 05

  Like what?

• 56:53Speaker 00

  Well, you hated Bad Bunny.

• 56:54Speaker 05

  I love Bad Bunny.

• 56:55Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 56:55Speaker 05

  If the Patriots weren't getting fucking dummied in the first half.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  What do you think, Max?

• 57:03Speaker 03

  I was just thinking about you painting the end zone.

• 57:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:05Speaker 03

  If Kanye, you would just, would it just say start racism if it's Kanye?

• 57:09Speaker 02

  No, no, I think we'd have to, like Robert Kraft would have to.

• 57:12Speaker 00

  End racism again.

• 57:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:14Speaker 03

  With Kanye?

• 57:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:15Speaker 02

  I think it would have to say in, end racism on one end zone. And then the other says, and also antisemitism on the other end zone. And then, and only then will Kanye West be allowed to perform. Because that counteracts all the other stuff.

• 57:29Speaker 03

  Got it, got it, got it, got it.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  Like the T-shirt, the T-shirt that he sold?

• 57:32Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 57:33Speaker 02

  We can forget about that because we painted the end zone.

• 57:36Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. All right. Uh, hot seat culture on PFT?

• 57:40Speaker 02

  Uh, hot seat, our ears, because not just Jay-Z, uh, they have announced halftime for Thanksgiving game today. I believe it was, wasn't it Dolly Parton a couple of years ago?

• 57:51Speaker 00

  Wait, which one?

• 57:53Speaker 02

  I think it was.

• 57:54Speaker 00

  No, no, which, which Thanksgiving game?

• 57:56Speaker 02

  I think it was Detroit. Let me see.

• 57:57Speaker 00

  No, that they announced for this one.

• 57:59Speaker 02

  That's what I'm looking at right now.

• 58:00Speaker 00

  Got it, got it. Cause that's Bears Lions.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  Let's see. Oh no, it's the Thanksgiving Eve game.

• 58:07Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  My mistake. Uh, the first ever Thanksgiving Eve game has this musical performance.

• 58:14Speaker 00

  It's a Packers Rams game.

• 58:15Speaker 02

  And it's U2.

• 58:18Speaker 00

  They're gonna get on our iPhones again.

• 58:19Speaker 02

  Yep. U2, this is how they do it. U2 has a history of just invading spaces that they're not welcome in. They.

• 58:26Speaker 00

  I'm gonna slide on Netflix.

• 58:27Speaker 02

  They, they forced themselves onto America's phones.

• 58:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  And now they're forcing us, they're forcing themselves into America's pastime.

• 58:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, but they, they solved AIDS.

• 58:38Speaker 00

  They did.

• 58:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. But then Bono, where were you during COVID, buddy?

• 58:41Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Could have used.

• 58:42Speaker 02

  Really, Bono really fucked up COVID because that's, you've been prepping for that for your entire life and then you were nowhere to be seen, buddy. Um, so yeah, I haven't thought about U2 in years and now they're going to come on and play.

• 58:54Speaker 05

  They have good songs.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  Dads are gonna love this.

• 58:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, they have good songs.

• 58:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:57Speaker 00

  They have a couple.

• 58:58Speaker 05

  It's halftime. Halftime's quick.

• 59:01Speaker 00

  I feel like U2 though, like, I don't know, there's something about them where it's just a little off. It's like they wanted to be.

• 59:07Speaker 02

  Bono, Bono wanting to save the world?

• 59:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. No, but I'm saying like, just the fans of U2 too. It's kind of like a Beatles, Rolling Stones fan, you know, breakdown.

• 59:18Speaker 05

  Who's their, who's, who's U2 or who? Aerosmith?

• 59:21Speaker 00

  No, probably be Oasis.

• 59:25Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 59:25Speaker 02

  Oasis.

• 59:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's, that's where it's like the weirdos like U2, the guys who want to get hammered like Oasis.

• 59:33Speaker 02

  U2 is, Hank, to answer your question, what's wrong with, he's such a narcissist that he actually thinks that he was put here to save the world.

• 59:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:42Speaker 05

  Okay. God forbid.

• 59:43Speaker 00

  God forbid.

• 59:43Speaker 02

  God forbid.

• 59:44Speaker 05

  So is Jesus.

• 59:44Speaker 00

  Start with live. If you're going to save the world, start with live.

• 59:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:48Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 59:49Speaker 02

  One swing at a time. Uh, and then my cool throw is sunlight because remember daylight savings this weekend?

• 59:53Speaker 00

  This Saturday.

• 59:54Speaker 02

  Uh, set the clocks forward.

• 59:56Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:57Speaker 02

  Big change. Um, fall forward.

• 59:59Speaker 00

  I actually like it.

• 1:00:00Speaker 05

  There's darkness.

• 1:00:01Speaker 00

  What? What'd you say?

• 1:00:05Speaker 05

  It's gonna get dark earlier.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  No, fall for, we push the clocks forward in the fall.

• 1:00:11Speaker 00

  I think you're, it's.

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  You're thinking of the spring.

• 1:00:13Speaker 00

  The other way. Either way, it's Saturday. Uh,

• 1:00:16Speaker 02

  Fall forward, spring back.

• 1:00:17Speaker 00

  Make sure you change your clocks. You don't miss anything. Okay. My hot seat is, uh, I'm gonna go, wait, fuck, I had it and then I lost it. Oh, Twitter doctors. Do you guys see the Twitter doctor?

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:30Speaker 00

  Retired?

• 1:00:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:32Speaker 00

  Love it.

• 1:00:33Speaker 02

  Lost a good one out there.

• 1:00:34Speaker 00

  So this was, uh, what was his name? He, uh,

• 1:00:39Speaker 03

  Jesse Morse.

• 1:00:40Speaker 00

  Morse. Jesse Morse. He got bullied online because he basically, uh, guessed like four different injuries for Devante Adams. And everyone was like, dude, thanks a lot. We like, you, you're a moron. You're just guessing. Like you said, four different things that are all very different. Uh, so then he's, he, he got bullied and he said, effective immediately. This is a real thing that happened. A Twitter doctor had to retire online. Effective immediately. I've decided that it's not worth the energy, stress, headaches, negative publicity to spend most of my free time discussing injuries anymore. My reputation is not worth it. Dude, you're a fucking Twitter doctor. I get so much hate. It's just not worth it anymore. It's been a good run. I started in 2017, but I'm tired and I need to put

• 1:01:24Speaker 00

  my energy into more productive things. I want to focus my energy on peptide education.

• 1:01:30Speaker 00

  Helping Peptavo grow and become the number one peptide education platform on the planet. Getting peptide education into medical schools, residencies, fellowships, nursing programs. I want to focus my energy on anti-aging longevity medicine, regenerative medicine. So we lost a good one.

• 1:01:45Speaker 03

  Hold on, hold on. He might be back.

• 1:01:47Speaker 00

  Oh, is he back?

• 1:01:48Speaker 03

  He deleted that tweet.

• 1:01:49Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:01:51Speaker 03

  So I don't necessarily, so that mean? He didn't tweet anything about last night's game.

• 1:01:56Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:01:56Speaker 03

  And there was some injuries to be talked about last night. But his retirement tweet no longer exists.

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  I think, I think he just wanted to get drunk last night.

• 1:02:04Speaker 00

  He got in his feels.

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  He wanted to watch football like everybody else. And so he's like, I'm going to do a fake retirement for one day. That's also an ad for this peptide company.

• 1:02:12Speaker 00

  I just love the idea of a, of a, you're Twitter doctor, dude. No one fucking takes you seriously. We all just panic when, when one of our players gets hurt. We search the energy, the injury, and you happen to be at the top of the search. We don't actually take you as like real.

• 1:02:28Speaker 02

  Well, the, the role is we search the injury until we find one Twitter doctor that tells us good news.

• 1:02:33Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 1:02:34Speaker 02

  And then that becomes our Twitter doctor guy.

• 1:02:36Speaker 03

  I was trying to find this tweet. I don't know if you mentioned it. I know I've had a bad track record with that recently. Did you talk about how he's big time anti-vax as well?

• 1:02:45Speaker 00

  No, he said that, yeah, he's blaming the blood clots on Jalen Hurts.

• 1:02:48Speaker 03

  He, he, he was like, can we talk about the elephant in the room? And it was just like an article that said that Jalen Hurts took the COVID vax.

• 1:02:56Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:02:56Speaker 02

  That is the, that's the elephant in the room though.

• 1:02:59Speaker 00

  Also.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  That's a big Nick Nurse thing.

• 1:03:00Speaker 00

  We should, uh, we should.

• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  That max?

• 1:03:03Speaker 00

  Yeah. Elephant in the room.

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  Do this again.

• 1:03:05Speaker 00

  We should also mention, uh, Dr. Morse, his greatest hits, uh, was when he vehemently disagreed with someone online about Christian Watson's injury, basically saying that Christian Watson, uh, was, he was like, I'm surprised he was able to practice. And saying that it was not an ankle sprain and it was something more.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:29Speaker 00

  He was disagreeing with Christian Watson's dad.

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:03:32Speaker 00

  About Christian Watson's injury. So Christian Watson's dad, who probably saw the MRI, probably was maybe even in the hospital with Christian Watson. He was going back and forth and being like, just so you know, I've been doing this a long time. I know what I'm talking about. And Christian Watson's dad's like, dude, we literally have a diagnosis and it's this and it's not what you're saying. So we lost a good one, boys. We lost a good one.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  It's very, very sad. And also, yeah. So Terry McLaurin last night.

• 1:04:01Speaker 00

  That was bad.

• 1:04:01Speaker 02

  Bad. I, I heard patellar tendon, which is probably the worst one and maybe the most painful one.

• 1:04:08Speaker 00

  That's brutal.

• 1:04:08Speaker 02

  Might be the end of, of Terry in DC. And he was a great player, even through some shitty teams. That really sucked to watch. So I wanted to mention him because he's been like a, he's one of those guys. If you root for shitty teams, you've got guys that are like a little ray of light in dark times. And he was that guy for a long time. Great player. I hope that he comes back and plays. But yeah, some of the other Twitter doctors were kind of in unison, saying that looks like patellar.

• 1:04:32Speaker 00

  I'm sorry you don't have an actual diagnosis because Dr. Morse is.

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  Dr. Morse, I was waiting for him to confirm it.

• 1:04:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  Also that referee, uh, we did get a diagnosis on him.

• 1:04:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's out, right?

• 1:04:41Speaker 02

  He's out for the rest of the year.

• 1:04:42Speaker 00

  Damn.

• 1:04:43Speaker 02

  Uh, torn quadriceps muscle for the guy that got carted off in the London game.

• 1:04:47Speaker 00

  All right. My cool throne, I got two real quick. One is Colts fans, talked about it on Sunday, had to fire Chris Ballard. They actually finally did it. I'm happy for Colts fans. You can't keep going like, hey, well, if this is different, if Daniel Jones come, plays a little bit better, like, you know, uh, if we get a different quarterback. Chris Ballard was there for 10 years, never won an AFC South. You finally just, it's inexcusable. Also feels like Shane Steichen is very much on the hot seat. If you read the note that, uh, Carly Ursay wrote and basically being like, we expect to still win and be competitive. I don't know how they're going to do that, but Chris Ballard gone Colts fans, uh, you get a fresh start.

• 1:05:30Speaker 00

  You need a fresh start. You've been doing the same exact thing every single year since Andrew Luck retired. And not, I, I said it at the time, the Andrew Luck retirement is probably what bought Chris Ballard a lot more years. Because he basically could just kept, keep on saying, well, our plans were screwed up because Andrew Luck retired. But congrats Colts fans, the bad man's gone. Mother cool throne is basketball, NBA's here. So the boys are going to banner night. We will recap on Friday's show how banner night went. Uh, do we want to do quick, our picks, uh, NBA title picks? Who's in it and who do you have winning? Memes, you want to start?

• 1:06:08Speaker 03

  Yep. Knicks, back to back champs, uh, versus OKC.

• 1:06:11Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:06:12Speaker 03

  Sixers over T Wolves.

• 1:06:15Speaker 00

  Sixers over T Wolves?

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  That'd be a fun one.

• 1:06:17Speaker 00

  Mello.

• 1:06:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, fuck it.

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  T Wolves are going to be fun. I don't, I have no idea what the T Wolves are going to look like.

• 1:06:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, fuck it.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  Could be fun.

• 1:06:24Speaker 03

  Say Knicks walk down Wemby again. Just do it again.

• 1:06:26Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:06:27Speaker 02

  I got, uh, the Spurs and the Wizards and we got Sar versus Wemby, a couple of French guys going at it. And, uh, Spurs win this one. I got. Round one.

• 1:06:39Speaker 00

  I got the Thunder over the Raptors.

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  Ew.

• 1:06:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. What? You don't like it?

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:06:46Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:06:47Speaker 07

  I got the Celtics over Thunder, team of the decade.

• 1:06:50Speaker 00

  Hmm. Team of the decade. Calling it.

• 1:06:52Speaker 07

  It's on the line.

• 1:06:54Speaker 00

  Are you guys, how, how, how are you guys feeling going into tonight?

• 1:06:58Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm fired up.

• 1:06:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:59Speaker 03

  I, I was saying before, I kind of wish it was against the Spurs just because they could.

• 1:07:03Speaker 00

  Make Wemby cry again?

• 1:07:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I fucking hate the Spurs. But this will be fun. Get to watch LeBron and, and the greatest player in the world. Yep. Love that. Love that LeBron is greatest player in the world.

• 1:07:13Speaker 00

  No, you called Jalen Brunson.

• 1:07:14Speaker 03

  Yep. And, yeah. Jalen Brown could be in there too.

• 1:07:18Speaker 02

  You think the Pope's rooting for, he's definitely rooting for the Knicks, right?

• 1:07:21Speaker 03

  Has to.

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  No guy.

• 1:07:23Speaker 00

  Well, he's not, yeah, he has no ties to Philly.

• 1:07:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:25Speaker 03

  Who?

• 1:07:26Speaker 02

  The Pope.

• 1:07:27Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, Pope's probably, Pope's definitely rooting for the Knicks.

• 1:07:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:30Speaker 03

  I'm, I'm willing to concede that fact.

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:07:33Speaker 03

  But this game doesn't matter. I just have to tell myself that it doesn't matter. It's game one.

• 1:07:36Speaker 00

  Well, it does matter.

• 1:07:37Speaker 03

  No, it doesn't. You're, you're not allowed to say that. You just kept saying how none of, none of these games matter all morning.

• 1:07:43Speaker 02

  It's a home game for LeBron though.

• 1:07:44Speaker 03

  You did just keep saying.

• 1:07:45Speaker 00

  And up on national television, I, we had Rosillo on and I, my question was, I don't really care about basketball in October. Who's going to win? And then I never asked another question.

• 1:07:56Speaker 02

  That's a fair question.

• 1:07:57Speaker 00

  It's football season. I'm sorry. The NBA starts too early. The NBA should start on Christmas day. It should be a 60 game schedule. It should start on Christmas day. It'd be so much better. I, I'll watch because sports are on, but I just can't care about game five of the NBA season. I'm just being honest.

• 1:08:14Speaker 02

  I don't really care about game five. I do care about game one.

• 1:08:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, game one, sure.

• 1:08:18Speaker 02

  I care about game one and then whatever, uh, probably like one game during Thanksgiving week I'll care about. And then Christmas day, I'll start caring full time. But game one. Feet on the wood.

• 1:08:31Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:08:32Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 1:08:33Speaker 03

  I'm so excited to see if they're, if the feet are on wood.

• 1:08:35Speaker 00

  Very excited. All right, Zach.

• 1:08:37Speaker 07

  My hot seat this week is going to be guys who collect cards. Uh, we had a heist.

• 1:08:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:08:42Speaker 07

  I think it was like roughly 960,000 out the FedEx truck. Uh, FedEx employee left the truck for like 30 to 90 minutes, came back. Almost a million dollars of cars is gone at the PSA headquarters. They blamed a, a broken lock on the truck.

• 1:08:59Speaker 02

  So this is like the town.

• 1:09:01Speaker 07

  Except with autos and holographics.

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  Goodfellas. Yeah. So where was this?

• 1:09:06Speaker 07

  So this was at the PSA headquarters. So they, it was a shipment of like roughly a hundred packages of cards that were already graded, getting ready to send back to their owners. And then like roughly 50 of them got taken.

• 1:09:18Speaker 02

  So, but like, where is the PSA headquarters? What city?

• 1:09:21Speaker 07

  Uh, PSA headquarters, I think it's California.

• 1:09:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:09:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, this is a, a good old fashioned heist. I feel like we're going to see these cards on a, on a black market.

• 1:09:30Speaker 07

  Oh, they're definitely going to be floating around and like, definitely like the trade shows.

• 1:09:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:33Speaker 07

  It would set up the tables.

• 1:09:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:34Speaker 02

  It sucks if your card got stolen. That said, I'm, I think I'm always pro heist.

• 1:09:39Speaker 00

  We haven't had a heist in a long time.

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, heists are, heists are pretty fun.

• 1:09:43Speaker 03

  There was that one at the museum.

• 1:09:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, but they found them.

• 1:09:46Speaker 03

  But that was still a heist.

• 1:09:47Speaker 00

  That was, that was cool.

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  At the, at the Louvre?

• 1:09:49Speaker 07

  Oh, with the scooter. Yeah, they pulled them on bird scooters and just got out of there.

• 1:09:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that's also, they were trying to heist like, uh, old art. Like who cares? Well, I'm talking, we're talking about a 10 out of 10 Tyler Shuck rookie card. That's some, that's some serious shit.

• 1:10:01Speaker 07

  Also, how do you start your FedEx shift with a broken lock on the truck?

• 1:10:05Speaker 00

  Oh, wow. How do you?

• 1:10:08Speaker 07

  And step away for 90 minutes?

• 1:10:10Speaker 00

  Inside job, Zach. That guy got paid off.

• 1:10:14Speaker 02

  Inside job.

• 1:10:15Speaker 00

  Hundred percent.

• 1:10:16Speaker 07

  What do you think it feels like to get that text? Like, hey, you, I know you work at FedEx.

• 1:10:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:20Speaker 07

  What are you thinking about?

• 1:10:21Speaker 00

  Can you just, can you just, uh, go grab a extra lunch? Leave that lock unlocked?

• 1:10:26Speaker 02

  And I don't want to snitch, but if you work for the FBI, the name of that FedEx driver, Dan Quinn, look into him. Look into him.

• 1:10:34Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Okay.

• 1:10:36Speaker 07

  And then my cool throne this week, Bronny James, mid-team.

• 1:10:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:39Speaker 07

  Cut it down to 15. Bronny's still there.

• 1:10:40Speaker 00

  Dalton Connect did not.

• 1:10:42Speaker 07

  Unfortunately, it waved.

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  See ya.

• 1:10:45Speaker 00

  Good job for Bronny. Way to do it without your dad.

• 1:10:48Speaker 02

  Earned, not given.

• 1:10:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, he did it.

• 1:10:50Speaker 07

  Paved his own path.

• 1:10:51Speaker 00

  Bronny did it. Good job.

• 1:10:53Speaker 02

  Is anybody good, going to pick Connect up?

• 1:10:56Speaker 03

  Someone.

• 1:10:56Speaker 02

  I feel like he's, he's not.

• 1:10:59Speaker 03

  Someone.

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  He's not rubbish.

• 1:11:01Speaker 03

  Someone pick him out.

• 1:11:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm a big believer in if you were drafted in the first round, you're good for at least five years.

• 1:11:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, especially if you're like, if, if you've got some memorable March games from your college career.

• 1:11:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. Uh, okay. Let's get to our interviews. We've got, uh, Andy Staples, then Sam Laporta. Before we get to Andy Staples, this episode, episode is brought to you by Body Armor Flash IV. Flash IV is packed with electrolytes, delivering faster, longer lasting hydration without any artificial dyes, flavors, or sweeteners. Whether you're training, traveling, just feeling the heat or cheering on your team, work hard and hydrate hard with Body Armor Flash IV. Grab it at 7-Eleven today. We love Body Armor Flash IV. You boys are going to be drinking banner night, having a great time, having, uh.

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  Packets. Bring the packets. So work hard and hydrate hard with Body Armor Flash IV. Grab it at 7-Eleven today. Okay, here is Andy Staples. Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. He's our good friend, Andy Staples. You can find him on three with Ari. You can also find him. He does the college football inquirer on Yahoo. He's everywhere. He's one of our college football experts and Andy, good to talk to you. I don't know where you want to start. You decide where you want to start. It was one of those incredible Saturdays that college football can only do. You cannot, we love the NFL. We're an NFL first podcast.

• 1:12:48Speaker 00

  You could not have a day like we had on Saturday in an NFL Sunday. It just was, it was remarkable from start to finish.

• 1:12:57Speaker 06

  It was incredible and it just kept rolling. That's the part that was amazing to me because you had the noon window where Florida shocks Texas and Arch Manning, you know, just collapses at the end of the game. You have Bryce Underwood getting benched at Michigan. Like that's just the noon window. And then you roll into

• 1:13:18Speaker 00

  Nick Marsh, Nick Marsh. I, I, I was watching the night slate and I was like, I think I tweeted, I was like, Nick Marsh feels like he, he stepped out of bounds six years ago. And it was like, because it was that much stuff that had happened.

• 1:13:32Speaker 06

  And can you imagine if that ball is six inches further to the right or Nick Marsh's foot is six inches further to the right? Like that is, that would be Indiana beating Ohio State on a walk off touchdown. Like, what? I don't, by the way, Julian Sayan's hurt. Like that all happened in the noon window and then you roll to 3:30 and all eyes are on Knoxville where Tennessee's beating the crap out of Alabama. And oh my God, Auburn's beating Georgia. And then like even my wife, who does not care about football at all, sat there and watched the entire BYU Notre Dame game with me, referring to, to bear and tiger as those Bachmeier cutie pies, like getting mad

• 1:14:16Speaker 06

  at me because I said, I think probably Notre Dame's gonna, gonna win this one pretty handily. And like rubbing my face in it every time BYU stuffed them.

• 1:14:24Speaker 00

  I, I think you, you, you just hit on something that I think that Saturday passed the tell your wife about it test. And it's, you know, obviously, you know, some people like, you know, some women are just in, just into college football as much as, as the husband, but my wife doesn't really care about college football. And when I, when I like climb into bed at the end of a Saturday, she's like, what happened? And I was like, I gotta tell you what happened. Like everyone lost. It was crazy. I was like, this team lost, this team lost, this team lost. Uh, so yeah, it was, it was nuts. I, I guess I'll start with this. When it comes to Ohio State, uh, how do you think Ohio State is going to navigate the end of the season where it's like Julian Sayen might be out for the year?

• 1:15:03Speaker 00

  They have, they, they have one more loss they can, they can give, maybe two, probably not. Uh, do you think this is a situation where like, we could see a playoff without Ohio State?

• 1:15:16Speaker 06

  It's possible because their schedule, this is the hardest Ohio State schedule in decades. So we already knew going in that even if everybody was healthy and everything went right, there was an outside chance they could wind up a three loss team. Now you look at what they've got the rest of the way. They're, they're off this week, but their next games against USC, they play Oregon, which we don't know if Dante Moore will be back by then because Oregon with and without Dante Moore, two very different teams. Northwestern looks like a wagon, except maybe a little bit Saturday where they, that was another one of those games, like Northwestern walked off Michigan State. Nobody even noticed because of everything else that was going on. Nebraska keeps getting close in these games and then gets their guts ripped out. Like they may

• 1:16:01Speaker 06

  win one of these eventually. And then of course you've got Michigan at the end of the season, which they've changed quarterbacks. Maybe that's going to be okay. Yeah. If Ohio State is playing Luke Fahey the rest of the year, I don't know if they survive this. I, I don't because they're, they're not as good as they were last year. I think Indiana and Ohio State, when we watched them play this past week, both of them are not as good as they were last year. They're, they're not as talented as they were last year. Uh, Indiana, Josh Hoover is no Fernando Mendoza. Ohio State, their defense is not what it was with Sonny Stiles and Arvel Reese and, and Caleb Downs. So this is going to be nip and tug. It is like Ohio State people are going to have to sweat,

• 1:16:43Speaker 06

  which they're not used to doing. They're used to playing a two game season and this was never going to be a two game season, but now it becomes even more fraught.

• 1:16:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. So big picture stuff, if we're looking at, at Saturday, it was the best, it was the best Saturday that I can remember in recent memory for college football. And it, it makes me think the gold standard and, and I guess recent memory for just years is 2007. How, how close are we, are we on trajectory to like, if we're, if we're doing an AP top 25 years in, in recent college football memory? How close are we to, to getting, are we on track? Are we on track right now to surpass 2007?

• 1:17:21Speaker 06

  Yes, because Miami advanced to number one by barely surviving what I would consider a lame duck Florida State. In double overtime and, and needed a very bad holding call for that to happen. So I do think we're in, in for that level of chaos because it's Miami, like that, now you've got Miami and BYU at the top of the stands. I guarantee you in six weeks, it's going to look different. Now Miami might be able to stay there, but BYU is going to have some challenges. They got to play Utah. Like this is not going to be easy for them going forward. And then like, I'm assuming Georgia will win its way back up and then we'll, we'll have the carnage in the big 10

• 1:18:00Speaker 06

  because Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan, all have to play each other. Like there's so much left. And then we haven't gotten into the, the SEC because it feels like those teams are, are down, squished down because people have lost, but who's actually going to survive? Like guys, Lane Kiffin, his playoff chances may be done this weekend. They play at Auburn this weekend.

• 1:18:27Speaker 00

  It, it's actually crazy. I want to talk about the SEC because it's nuts to look at the SEC and see like every single team outside of maybe like, you know, Vanderbilt, Arkansas is a disaster, Mississippi State without Camario, maybe Texas A&M. There's, there's like 12 teams that could conceivably be a playoff team if the, if everything falls their way. So right now, if I told you that the SEC gets four playoff teams, tell me which four of those are, because I don't think it's Texas anymore.

• 1:18:58Speaker 06

  Georgia, Alabama.

• 1:19:01Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:19:04Speaker 06

  Tennessee.

• 1:19:05Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:19:08Speaker 06

  Maybe Kentucky?

• 1:19:09Speaker 00

  I was gonna say, Kentucky's, cause like LSU and Alabama, you have to kind of pick one or the other because they're going to play each other and that, and they both have two losses now. So it's like

• 1:19:20Speaker 06

  Tennessee and Kentucky play each other down the stretch too. And like, if you're Tennessee, everybody loves that Tennessee defense. I mean, I, my, my co-host Ari Wasserman has compared to them to the 2000 Ravens. Uh, I, I've made an 85 Bears reference earlier. They're awesome, but Tennessee fans are looking at this week and going, oh my God, of all the weeks we have to go to Columbia, South Carolina, which has been an absolute house of horrors for good Tennessee teams. And that's the, that's the thing about this. Like that Tennessee Kentucky game could be a playoff elimination game. If Kentucky were to drop one between now and then, if Tennessee were to lose to South Carolina this weekend, like nothing is guaranteed. Nothing is certain.

• 1:20:03Speaker 06

  If you think you're going to see chalk, that's, that's where you're crazy.

• 1:20:08Speaker 00

  Is Kentucky being hurt right now because the fact that one of their big wins is against LSU? And that counts as less of a big win because Kentucky beat them?

• 1:20:17Speaker 06

  No, Kentucky's fine because all they have to do is keep winning. Like if Kentucky's 10-2, they make it in the playoffs. So it, there's, there's not really a style point situation that they've got to worry about. They, they just have to keep winning. They can drop one, but that's all they can drop.

• 1:20:32Speaker 00

  Yeah. It, it's, it's, it's crazy to look at. It's just so fun that everyone feels like they're playing each other. And let me go back to the Texas thing because I did say, and this isn't recency bias. I actually said that before they played Oklahoma, I was like, they're pretenders looking ahead at their schedule. I think Texas is going to have a hard time making the playoff because I just don't trust their offense. Is, who, who's getting, who's going to get the blame for this? Obviously Arch is probably not going to be at Texas next year, but doesn't this feel like this is now back to back quarterbacks with Sark who have gotten worse as the years have gone on and not better? Where they come in promising and Quinn yours kind of same way, which like, I'm not saying Quinn yours is bad, but it's not like he got, he took this big leap forward under Sark.

• 1:21:17Speaker 00

  So does Sark get the blame here? And what's the future for Sark in Texas?

• 1:21:22Speaker 06

  So you sound like the Texas fans who've been yelling at me for the better part of a month. Anytime I bring up the, the possibility that Arch might not be the greatest. And their argument, and it's really a chicken egg argument is, well, it's because of Sark's play calling. It's because Sark can't develop quarterbacks. I'd say the, the, the results are bearing out their argument, but I would also argue that Arch is not the best processor.

• 1:21:53Speaker 00

  Agreed. I'm not, by the way, I'm not putting it all on Sark. I think Arch, Arch is bad, has been bad and it's a mix. I'm saying more Arch, the Arch's part of it is going to figure itself out and the fact that he only has so much eligibility. He's probably going to go somewhere next year. What is Texas going to do with Sark if this is the actual problem?

• 1:22:13Speaker 06

  So here's the thing. I don't think Sark's in a position where he'd get fired. I think Sark's in a position where they would demand that he hire an offensive coordinator. And it's fascinating because we watched this play out two years ago at Florida where Billy Napier is told in October of 2024, you have to hire an offensive coordinator. You have to fire your defensive coordinator and

• 1:22:37Speaker 06

  Then you can stay. And he said, sure. Then he beats LSU and Ole Miss. And he's like, ah, I got some, I got some juice now. I'm not going to do any of that. And then he got fired. What was his first thing he did? When he got to JMU, PFT, he hired an OC. He's currently 7-0. So, but Sark is the same thing like, and I get it. See, I'm more sympathetic to Sark than I think the Texas fans are because Sark got hired for his play calling argument. It was the thing that made him special when he got the job. So to give it up to say that the thing that makes me special, I'm going to let somebody else do. I think that's going to be hard for him, but I think it's also potentially a necessary step.

• 1:23:21Speaker 06

  You know, I've had Texas fans that point out his, his problems calling plays in the red zone. And it goes way back, long before he called that, that toss on, you know, short yardage near the goal line against Ohio State in the Peach, or in the, in the Cotton Bowl a few years ago. I don't think it's red zone. I think it's short yardage.

• 1:23:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:41Speaker 06

  Like if you watch that Florida game, there were third and twos, fourth and ones. He just, for whatever reason, can never call the right play on short yardage situations. It, it makes no sense. And you can say, well, the offensive line needs to block, blah, blah, blah. A lot of it is having the right play dialed up. And I go back to last year when, when they played at Georgia. Mike Bobo, who gets crushed by Georgia fans, their OC, there was a fourth and short. And he called the, just the most brilliant little bootleg flick out to the tight end. It was the perfect play call for the perfect situation. Will Stein on that walk off two-point conversion against LSU, perfect play call for the perfect situation. Sometimes guys just have that and guys don't.

• 1:24:26Speaker 06

  And Sark may not have that anymore as he deals with all the other global issues that you deal with, being the head coach of Texas.

• 1:24:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, I was about to say, do you think that it's two different skill sets at Texas? Like in order to be a, a good football coach there, in terms of the off the field stuff, recruiting, managing the big personalities in the booster room. That is completely different from being X's and O's guy, quarterback development guy. Cause Sark has developed quarterbacks in the past. Like he's got a great track record of it, but at Texas, there's so much that goes along with the job. Like when Mac Brown was at his best there, he was, he was shaking hands and kissing babies. Yeah. And, and kind of delegating everything else. If you're going to be the, the like hands-on X's and O's guy, you typically see other stuff fall by the wayside. And maybe with Sark, it's like he's too focused on the other stuff and he's kind of lost that ability

• 1:25:17Speaker 00

  with his hands full to really bring Arch and Quinn along.

• 1:25:21Speaker 06

  I, I think that's probably the, the most accurate way to put it. And, and if you look at Mac, you know, and that was a different time. But Mac had Greg Davis as his coordinator most of the time. Uh, Mac was the, the quintessential CEO coach. And that's probably what you need to be at Texas. There, there are probably other programs where you don't have to be that. But at Texas, maybe that's what you need to be. And I, I do think Sark will get significant pressure to do that. And look, I'm not saying they're even out of the woods because guys, they could lose this weekend.

• 1:25:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:54Speaker 06

  And I don't know that necessarily knocks them out of the playoff because they, they still have the Ohio State win in pocket. But even if, even if, let's say they lost this weekend, they still have to play at Missouri and at LSU. And I don't care how bad Texas A&M's been this season. You don't think that they would jump on a chance to jump on a down Longhorn team?

• 1:26:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:26:13Speaker 06

  So this is going to be a really interesting game because I, look, John Sumral and Pete Golding are very close. My guess is Pete Golding, if he didn't talk to John Sumral, has definitely looked at everything John Sumral did and Brad White, their DC at Florida, to heat up Arch last week. And they're probably going to do the same thing again because the book on Arch is, send a bunch of pressure. He may beat you downfield. Like he had that beautiful 62 yard pass to Emmett Mosley on fourth and six in the fourth quarter of that game against Florida. But you will trade that for all of the throwing it 10 yards over the head of the guy, you know, standing along the sideline or not noticing when he's got a hot guy right here

• 1:26:58Speaker 06

  that he can dump off to and take in a sack. Or like you saw in the Florida game, fumbling because you're getting hit from all sides. Like that's the risk you're going to take. And if you're Ole Miss, which has kind of some of the same secondary issues Florida's had. You don't, I, I don't want my corners and safeties to have to try to cover Cam Coleman by himself down, down the field for very long.

• 1:27:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:27:24Speaker 06

  I don't, but I don't want them to try to cover him at all. I want Arch on his back so he can't throw to Cam Coleman.

• 1:27:30Speaker 00

  Uh, all right. I want to talk about BYU. Incredible win. Uh, I, I doubted him. Like I hand up, I had Notre Dame in the game. I've always thought BYU is a very good team, but not a great team. That was as impressive as impressive gets, especially from Bear Bachmeier with no LJ Martin. The way they win that game. Uh, going forward, is the Big 12 a two bid league? Maybe three bid league? And can Notre Dame potentially lose the Miami game and still make the playoff? I know the 12, the top 12 thing that they got in the Notre Dame clause. But how do you see both of those things playing out for both those teams?

• 1:28:06Speaker 06

  Well, let's start with the Big 12.

• 1:28:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:08Speaker 06

  BYU did a massive solid to the Big 12. Massive. The, the Big 12 needed that for, you know, for its reputation, for how the, the playoff committee will view those teams once they start meeting, because the Big 12 didn't have a signature non-conference win from anybody before BYU beat Notre Dame. And now, everybody who is in BYU's orbit benefits from BYU winning that game. When BYU plays Utah, if Utah beats BYU, they absorb some benefit of BYU beating Notre Dame. It also allows BYU some grace. I don't know that BYU has to win the Big 12 now to make the playoff.

• 1:28:46Speaker 00

  Like, yeah.

• 1:28:47Speaker 06

  If you have a, a Big 12 playoff game between, let's say Texas Tech that comes in at, I mean, and Texas Tech may come in at, at 12-0.

• 1:28:55Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 1:28:56Speaker 06

  Their schedule kind of lends itself to that. But if you have a 12-0 Texas Tech and they beat BYU in the Big 12 championship game and hand them, let's say their second loss. They're both getting in.

• 1:29:08Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:29:09Speaker 06

  If BYU and Utah play a rematch in the Big 12 championship game, there's a good chance they're both getting in. Cause I think to even make the Big 12 championship game, you're going to have to be 9-0 or 8-1 in the league. That's why Houston has to win at Utah this weekend if they want to stay in the race. But that lends itself to a situation where you're probably going to have the loser having at least 10 wins. And I think that's going to, that's going to get two teams in.

• 1:29:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. And then, and then in terms of Notre Dame, uh, I don't know if they can lose the Miami game. Like SMU's their last, their last bullet point, but I don't know. This would be, it would be shocking if it happened again where they go 10-2 and don't make the playoff. But it does feel like they have to, they had to always split the BYU Miami games. So now this Miami game on November 7th is like, the pressure is insane on, on Notre Dame.

• 1:30:03Speaker 06

  Absolutely. Now that Notre Dame can get some help if some of the teams that's already beaten can do, if your Badgers can beat USC this weekend and then can win some games down the stretch. It makes that win look much better. If.

• 1:30:17Speaker 00

  UNC's not bad.

• 1:30:18Speaker 06

  Right. North Carolina's not bad. I think they're, I think they're like, they're going to lose to Miami, but they're going to keep, they're, they're going to keep looking like they're much better than last year. Like they could be a seven or eight win team. SMU has one loss. If SMU is going to the ACC championship game and Notre Dame beats them, that would help too. But that said, if they lose to Miami, it will put them in the same situation they were in last year. And I know they've got that rule, but if you're below 12, it doesn't matter about that rule. Like last year, it was, you know, are you in the, the top 11? Oh, it was actually the top 10 because of the, the conference champion rule. This case was different.

• 1:31:01Speaker 06

  They, they've got to be in the top 12, but yeah, I don't know if they'll be in the top 12 because I don't know if the rest of their schedule is going to be strong enough. So they really do need to beat Miami at home when they have the chance.

• 1:31:11Speaker 00

  So what you're saying is it's time for a different rule. We need, we need another new rule.

• 1:31:16Speaker 06

  Guess what, PFT? They made another new rule.

• 1:31:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:31:19Speaker 06

  It's going to be 2014.

• 1:31:20Speaker 00

  They did. They did.

• 1:31:21Speaker 06

  New rule made.

• 1:31:21Speaker 00

  What are, what are your thoughts on the 2014 playoff? We discussed it after the news came out. Uh, we love it, Andy. I think it's great for, uh, great for the game, great for the sport, great for the fans, first and foremost.

• 1:31:31Speaker 06

  But yeah, nobody, nobody wants it. Nobody wants this except, uh, coaches who don't want to get fired, ADs who want to justify the money they're spending and TV networks who think they're going to get better September inventory because you can lose more games.

• 1:31:47Speaker 00

  Nope.

• 1:31:48Speaker 06

  My issue is you just tripled the size of the playoff and people got more scared of scheduling good games. Now, I am not a Chicken Little. I do not think this is going to kill the sport. I don't think it's going to kill the regular season. Uh, last week was a great example of this. And again, I would rather them, I'd rather them stay at 12, but big cat.

• 1:32:08Speaker 00

  What, was it?

• 1:32:09Speaker 06

  Auburn beating Georgia.

• 1:32:11Speaker 00

  I know.

• 1:32:11Speaker 06

  Auburn beating Georgia is like a 22 beating a one.

• 1:32:14Speaker 00

  I get it, but I, let me just push back for a second because I, I also do not think it's going to kill the sport. I'm still watching sport.

• 1:32:22Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:32:22Speaker 00

  I think having like now you get three mulligans, four mulligans. Saturday doesn't feel as important. When it's like Texas loses to Florida and we're like, well, they can still lose two more. Or you know, like.

• 1:32:38Speaker 06

  I disagree with you on that though, because Texas losing to Florida was not about Texas losing. It was about Arch sucking.

• 1:32:44Speaker 00

  Of course, of course. There's, there's always storylines. I just think that like the, uh, the, the, the feeling of do or die every Saturday is a, is a feature of college football that the NFL doesn't have as much. And that's what I love.

• 1:32:59Speaker 06

  If you're an LSU fan, what reason do you have to watch if they lose to Auburn this weekend? What reason you have to watch the, the last five games or the last four games if they lose to Auburn this weekend?

• 1:33:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, I guess you're right on that. Uh, I think you could do the, the counter where it's like the Georgia fans are, are Georgia, is Georgia going to have the same environment every single Saturday? When they know every single year they're just in the playoff, like no matter what.

• 1:33:22Speaker 06

  Yes. They, they had the same environment when they weren't in the playoffs.

• 1:33:25Speaker 00

  Okay. Okay. All right. I think attendance is the thing that's actually going to be hurt more than anything.

• 1:33:30Speaker 06

  I don't know. I, I watched that Tennessee game, that Tennessee Alabama game.

• 1:33:33Speaker 00

  Incredible scene, incredible scene. Those rivalry games for sure, but.

• 1:33:37Speaker 06

  If, if you still make it a party, which it still is in, in like in the SCC and the big 10, it's seven reunions a year. I still think people are coming like there are tenants, like attendance in the SCC is up. So.

• 1:33:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. I just, I, I'm more like the do or die nature of, of college football is definitely getting lessened. And it's like, imagine, I, I just keep looking back. We're never going to go back in time, but we, PFT mentioned 2007. Imagine Saturday in 2007, that would have, it literally would have eliminated like all the teams. It would have been crazy.

• 1:34:13Speaker 06

  What would have happened to those fan bases? They would have just been like, oh.

• 1:34:15Speaker 00

  Well, they still watched because bowls were important then. That is a fact.

• 1:34:20Speaker 06

  Well, it depends on who you were.

• 1:34:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:34:22Speaker 06

  Like that always depended on who you were. Like there's a reason Steve Spurrier said you can't spell citrus without UT because he knew that was the most crippling thing he could say about Tennessee at the time.

• 1:34:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:34:30Speaker 06

  So.

• 1:34:31Speaker 00

  But there was, there was a different, you, you're saying like those fans didn't, I mean, I remember the days when a nine win Wisconsin season was a good season. Going to Outback Bowl was a fun season. I watched every single snap. So I wouldn't say that people just tuned out.

• 1:34:46Speaker 06

  But Wisconsin, for example, it would be very much alive for a playoff berth right now.

• 1:34:51Speaker 00

  That's, and that's why you know, I'm coming at it from an unbiased take. This is a rule that will help the, the, the level that my team plays in. But I still don't really love it because I just don't, I don't think there are 24 teams that can win it all. And I don't.

• 1:35:06Speaker 06

  See, but I think, I, I think we're, we're maybe getting closer to that. And I, I'm not saying they did this on purpose or they were smart. I'm saying they may have lucked into this.

• 1:35:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:35:14Speaker 06

  Because the way the sport is, is moving, because Auburn does not go win at Georgia 10 years ago. That, that version of Auburn, there, there, obviously there were Auburn teams that could have done that. This version of Auburn does not go win at Georgia 10 years ago, because that, that Georgia team is too deep. They have five players that Auburn doesn't have, and they just, they just kill them. That's the difference.

• 1:35:41Speaker 02

  Do you ever do the Brian Windhorst fingers and say, hmm, isn't that interesting? Isn't that interesting that all the good teams lost to teams that might be in that 20 to 24 range?

• 1:35:51Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:35:51Speaker 02

  Right after they institute.

• 1:35:52Speaker 06

  I did think about that. I'm not going to lie. I did think about that this weekend. I was like, oh, did Illuminati press a button here to say, gee, 24 might not be so bad, boys?

• 1:36:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. You, you expect upsets. The Cinderella story is coming out of the 24 spot in the, in the bracket, in the tournament, as they're going to call it. It's going to be amazing.

• 1:36:11Speaker 06

  I, listen, I, I'm, I think it's going to be strange. Like when there's no conference championship games next year.

• 1:36:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:36:20Speaker 06

  That's going to be bizarre.

• 1:36:21Speaker 00

  I actually think that's the benefit. I actually.

• 1:36:23Speaker 06

  I do, I do too.

• 1:36:24Speaker 00

  That's one of the things that I'd like about the 24 team playoff, because it became so irrelevant.

• 1:36:29Speaker 06

  The first week, which is the one that replaces the conference championship game week is teams nine through 24 playing. That's who should have to play to get into the final 16.

• 1:36:39Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 1:36:39Speaker 06

  Not, not two of the best killing each other in a, in a, in a rock fight like Texas and Georgia a couple of years ago.

• 1:36:45Speaker 00

  Maybe I'm coming around to it. I just more, I, I, I do think that we're going to lose a little bit, but we've already lost it. That's what I keep telling myself. The day that Ohio State lost to Michigan and still won the national title, like we kind of lost that feeling of years, the crippling loss that, that happens to your rival.

• 1:37:04Speaker 06

  Here's the thing I tell people, the old bowl system sucked. The BCS sucked. The four teams sucked. You may have pleasant memories of it because you didn't know any better. Like you were living under a very oppressive regime then. And so the, when, when you were fed these tiny little scraps, you thought they were good.

• 1:37:23Speaker 06

  This version, the 12 team is so much better.

• 1:37:25Speaker 00

  Yes. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. 12 I liked. I, I like 12. It's not that I'm saying we should go back to the four or the BCS. I've seen people actually argue that. I will say, I had, I went, I was looking at people discuss this when it first was announced. And I did get some like real like strong waves of nostalgia, because underneath someone's tweet, it was some major, I think it was either Herb Street or someone else. Was a guy, two guys arguing about Oklahoma State and Alabama in 2011. And be like old school BCS argument. They're like, look at what Oklahoma State did. It's like, shouldn't have lost to Iowa State, dude. And I was like, man, I kind of do miss this a little bit, but I.

• 1:38:09Speaker 06

  I don't miss it at all. I wanted to see that Oklahoma State team play LSU or Alabama that year.

• 1:38:14Speaker 00

  I know.

• 1:38:15Speaker 02

  It was fun. It's like back in the day, we used to do hypothetical brackets. Like what if, what if they did have a March Madness style tournament? Wouldn't this be awesome to look at? And now I'm seeing the opposite where I'm seeing nostalgia, like tweets of people bringing back the BCS, the computer.

• 1:38:29Speaker 06

  Imagine the BCS standings this week, guys.

• 1:38:31Speaker 02

  What would the BCS formula be like? I've seen like, I've seen the hypothetical computer rankings and people will be like, we need to bring back some of the, some of the old school computers. Like the guy that had UCF, uh, winning the national championship. I've seen that guy's rankings brought back up again. It's a, it's a, I, I said this to, uh, Russillo when he was on, but part of the beauty of college football is that it's an imperfect sport. And half the fun of it is sometimes spent arguing over ways to fix how imperfect it is.

• 1:38:58Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:38:58Speaker 06

  Well, it's, it's like, it's like Big Cat always says about the ABS.

• 1:39:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:39:01Speaker 06

  That this eliminates bar arguments.

• 1:39:04Speaker 00

  Right. Right.

• 1:39:05Speaker 06

  Like it's, it's a lot of conversation that we lose. The thing about it is it, college football still has enough imperfections and, and just screwball things that go on. That I don't think we'll ever run out of those things to argue about. I mean, for God's sake, there was a second left on the clock when BYU Notre Dame.

• 1:39:24Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. We should have mentioned.

• 1:39:25Speaker 06

  We can argue about that all week. If all this other crap hadn't happened.

• 1:39:28Speaker 00

  Blame Steve Young. He was the first one on the field. So all right. So you've, you've, you've pushed me a little closer to 24.

• 1:39:33Speaker 02

  No, I think, I still think it's bad.

• 1:39:34Speaker 06

  Which I hate because I don't want 24. I don't want to be the guy proselytizing for it.

• 1:39:38Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:39:39Speaker 02

  I, I think it's overall bad for the sport, uh, but it's not, it's also not the end of the world because college football has, it's been broken long before today.

• 1:39:46Speaker 00

  That's where I land.

• 1:39:47Speaker 02

  And it will continue to be broken long into the future, but that's why we love it.

• 1:39:50Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:39:51Speaker 06

  You have to say the, the brokenness is, is all part of the charm. It's a feature, not a bug.

• 1:39:55Speaker 02

  It is. Um, I, I get a question for you about, um, what the, the upcoming matchup. We're looking to the future a little bit, but Oregon State Boise State potentially playing. Do you think, now is the winner, I know Boise, Boise State is probably penciled in right now as, uh, as the non-power conference selection. If Oregon State beats Boise State in that game, is there any chance that they put, that, that Oregon State leapfrogs in to the top 12? Or do you think that would then go to an undefeated James Madison?

• 1:40:29Speaker 06

  Well, you're leaving somebody out. There's a really big game this weekend in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

• 1:40:35Speaker 00

  Jason Eck.

• 1:40:36Speaker 06

  The North Dakota State buys and are going to play against, yes, former Badger Jason Eck and the Lobos. And if New Mexico wins this game.

• 1:40:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:40:48Speaker 06

  And then can beat UNLV, I think there, there's a chance they're in that mix too. But the, the Oregon State thing is fascinating. If you guys have not seen Jesse Legree play football, holy crap, true freshman.

• 1:41:01Speaker 00

  The best.

• 1:41:02Speaker 06

  Better numbers than Jeremiah Smith. I'm still putting Jeremiah Smith higher on my Heisman ballot at the moment. But Jesse Legree has been awesome. He's probably the best freshman in college football. They have a quarterback named Brayden Atkinson, who's been incredible. Jamarcus Shepard is their coach. He was an assistant in Alabama last year, took over, like has just revolutionized this program that remember when the pack 12 exploded, they were left for dead. And they're just incredible. They lost competitive games at Houston and against Texas Tech. And those two teams might actually wind up playing for the big 12 title for all we know. They're, they're both good in the big 12. We know that.

• 1:41:43Speaker 06

  And so, yes, I think there's a good chance, but PFT, to your point, if they've got to decide between an 11 and two Oregon State. A 12 and one New Mexico and a 13 and O JMU, I think they may default to 13 and O JMU.

• 1:42:03Speaker 00

  You think so?

• 1:42:03Speaker 06

  I think, I think, I, I think so.

• 1:42:05Speaker 02

  Is every argument that they made last year, every, every argument that was against JMU that they made last year, you can make again this year, but maybe stronger. It might even be.

• 1:42:13Speaker 06

  Worse schedule.

• 1:42:13Speaker 02

  It's stronger. It's a stronger case this year. And the fact that, that Virginia Tech canceled the game really ended up fucking JMU over. They should get credit for that. That should count as a win for JMU. For the purposes of the rankings.

• 1:42:24Speaker 06

  We should change the rules that yes, anytime a team cancels on another team, even though we're not going to put it on their record, when the playoff committee meets, they must give them an extra win.

• 1:42:34Speaker 02

  They're scared.

• 1:42:35Speaker 06

  Assume that team, right. You were scared. You didn't show up. That's a win for the other team.

• 1:42:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. I know. The way I see it playing out this year, I've kind of, I hope that this isn't the case because I did take. Take a parlay like week two on the JMU caliphate to all three of them make the playoffs. But the way I see it playing out is that if there's any way for them to be left out this year, they'll probably look at last year, look at the same argument, and then look at the first half of Oregon, JMU, and say, okay, let's get somebody new in there.

• 1:43:04Speaker 06

  Well, the thing about it is if there were somebody who was going to come out of the American who was dominant, that would be one thing, but that league's going to be a mess this year.

• 1:43:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:13Speaker 06

  So that's probably the strongest and the deepest of the group of leagues, but they're going to beat each other up. And so it is probably going to come down to the Boise State, Oregon State winner, New Mexico, and JMU. And then you have to figure, the thing is, JMU would probably just hope for some chaos in the other leagues.

• 1:43:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:33Speaker 06

  Like, New Mexico loses to North Dakota State, but beats UNLV, and then they play each other again. Like, something like that, that's, that would help JMU.

• 1:43:41Speaker 02

  Yep. And then in the, in the Big Ten, what, if you were to say right now, gun to your head, gun to your head, Andy.

• 1:43:47Speaker 00

  Gun to your head.

• 1:43:48Speaker 02

  What teams, what teams from the Big Ten are going to be in the top 12 at the end of the year?

• 1:43:52Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 1:43:53Speaker 02

  Gun to your head.

• 1:43:55Speaker 06

  This is, this is so hard. Hold on, let me put the gun back on my head.

• 1:43:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. You don't have to do it to yourself. That's.

• 1:44:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, I know. Like, Ohio State with a backup quarterback.

• 1:44:04Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:44:07Speaker 06

  Uh, you know what, guys?

• 1:44:11Speaker 02

  You're dead. You took too long.

• 1:44:12Speaker 06

  Yeah. I think Iowa has a very good shot. I don't know about Oregon, and I don't know about USC.

• 1:44:20Speaker 00

  And Michigan's not dead, which is crazy.

• 1:44:22Speaker 06

  And Michigan isn't dead and has a new quarterback.

• 1:44:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:44:25Speaker 06

  Like.

• 1:44:26Speaker 00

  If they beat Indiana this weekend, like, it's, it's.

• 1:44:29Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:44:30Speaker 00

  They're on.

• 1:44:30Speaker 06

  UCLA. UCLA. I'm so sorry.

• 1:44:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:44:33Speaker 06

  My apologies to, to, you know, Mikey Volcano and company, but yeah, UCLA, I'll, I'll say they're in comfortably, and maybe Ohio State, and then it gets really dicey after that. But hey, I watched that Iowa team go up to Washington with Jeremy Hekelinski, and I know Kirk Ferentz hasn't, hasn't announced anything, and he's not going to, but if you, if you go with Hekelinski and it looks like that the rest of the way, that's a playoff team.

• 1:44:59Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Iowa's right there. I mean, they, they've, that, that win against Michigan, I know that the probability of that happening, and they got outplayed the whole game, it doesn't matter, they won the game. It's fun, it is fun right now, we're both, both power conferences, it's like, you could flip a coin, and there could be three, it's going to be interesting to see who can survive if there's a lot of three-loss teams as well.

• 1:45:24Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:45:25Speaker 00

  Because that's going to get a little dicey.

• 1:45:27Speaker 06

  I didn't mention Northwestern either.

• 1:45:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, Northwestern.

• 1:45:30Speaker 06

  There's a good chance Northwestern can be in this mix, because now, before the season, we're like, Northwestern's got the hardest schedule in the world, they have to play all these great teams on the road. What if they win a couple of these? Because they could.

• 1:45:41Speaker 00

  Yeah. No, they've looked really good. Their offense is so fun to watch. In the ACC, is it, is it, I mean, Miami almost lost to Florida State. Florida State got screwed. Wake Forest is good. We've mentioned UNC, they're playing better, but it's, it is still Miami's losing, does it feel like it's a one-bid league?

• 1:46:02Speaker 06

  It does at the moment.

• 1:46:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:46:03Speaker 06

  It does at the moment. We'll see, because like, SMU could change some minds there if they keep winning, because they play Notre Dame there at the end. But yeah, I don't foresee a second team coming out of the ACC. And it's interesting that Miami, so that Florida State game is the game they lose year after year after year. The random, and it's not a random ACC game because it's a rivalry, but given Florida State's circumstances after that Louisville loss, where the fanbase was already out on Mike Norvell, and then after Louisville, they were like, we are completely done, he's got to go. And then all of a sudden, they're, they're hanging with a top-two team.

• 1:46:40Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:46:40Speaker 06

  On the road. But that's a game Miami would lose in the past. They didn't lose it.

• 1:46:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:46:46Speaker 06

  So maybe they're not going to lose any of these.

• 1:46:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. What do we think about the last play in that game?

• 1:46:53Speaker 06

  Well, the next, the last one's the one that bugs me, because I don't think Xavier Chaplin held. I think he did exactly what you're supposed to do. Defensive line was overextended, he grabbed, he pushed down on his back, put him on the ground. That's what you're supposed to do. So that was not holding. The last play, I thought it looked like the DB had the ball. And I know Deuce Robinson is grabbing for it, but it looked like the DB had possession of it with the limited thing we could tell. And, but I do want, can I say, thank you to the ACC here for letting us hear.

• 1:47:24Speaker 00

  Oh, it's the best.

• 1:47:25Speaker 06

  The deliberations. Because I said, when they started doing that last year, I was like, well, what if you get a situation like the Virginia Tech Miami Hail Mary from a few years ago, where nobody can see shit? Are they going to let us hear those people going, we can't see shit?

• 1:47:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:47:40Speaker 06

  Yes, they are.

• 1:47:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a weird one, because it felt like one camera angle, I could see what they were talking about with the Miami player catching it against his body. The other camera angle, it did look like Florida State initially had, like, their hands looked like they were initially controlling the ball.

• 1:47:57Speaker 06

  Deuce Robinson is a big, strong guy. Like, it's, it's hard, it would be hard to take a ball away from him. The, the other angle where the DB appeared to take the ball in and put it in his elbow as he fell down, that's the one that, that I was kind of going by, and I think that's the one they ended up going by. But again, should it never happen, that play should have never happened, it wasn't a hold on the play before.

• 1:48:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. Can we put in a new rule that allows, like, important rivalry games to always have the home colors? Because that Tennessee-Alabama game was.

• 1:48:30Speaker 06

  It's perfect.

• 1:48:31Speaker 02

  It was so good, wasn't it?

• 1:48:32Speaker 00

  Oh, the scene was incredible.

• 1:48:33Speaker 02

  Aesthetically, and then you had the smoke coming, the cigar smoke coming up out of the field.

• 1:48:37Speaker 00

  The sun setting.

• 1:48:38Speaker 02

  It was, it was beautiful, but.

• 1:48:39Speaker 06

  Well, it's, you think about it, it's the autumn colors.

• 1:48:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:42Speaker 06

  Like, this is, if you're actually driving around Knoxville this week, you get that kind of autumn color situation. So it's, it's, it's perfect. Third Saturday in October, orange and crimson, that's, that's perfect.

• 1:48:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. Also, we should mention, the, the, probably the most impressive stat still going, it is still, 2010 is the last time Alabama lost a game on the road and the fans didn't rush the field. That is, that's something. That's something.

• 1:49:12Speaker 06

  Incredible.

• 1:49:12Speaker 00

  It's incredible. Every time.

• 1:49:13Speaker 06

  It's a testament to Nick Saban's dominance.

• 1:49:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's a huge, huge deal for the other team. And Tennessee would be the one team, I, like, that was, I watched every clip, every, every highlight of, of the, the postgame with, with them playing Dixieland Delight, and Kalen DeBoer almost shitting himself with Spooky Rocky Top.

• 1:49:32Speaker 02

  Spooky Rocky Top is so good.

• 1:49:33Speaker 00

  It was just, that's what college football has, that the NFL will never have, was that scene.

• 1:49:37Speaker 06

  Every time I heard Spooky Rocky Top, the, the only thing that kept going through in my mind is, that's a dude singing that.

• 1:49:42Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's crazy. It's crazy. All right, Andy, last question, Roback question, rhoback.com, you're wearing it right now, promo code TAKE, best Q zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts in the game. Zach, you ready? Promo code TAKE, roback.com. Go for it, Zach.

• 1:50:00Speaker 07

  Sir, what's going on, Andy? How are we?

• 1:50:02Speaker 06

  What's up, Zach?

• 1:50:02Speaker 07

  What's going on? It's a great interview so far. You're the man. I did have a quick question. If you had a, let's just say, maybe if you had a list that was teams that could fall apart quick, coming up soon, who would be at the top of that list?

• 1:50:17Speaker 00

  Ooh, I like that.

• 1:50:18Speaker 06

  Oh, I'm so glad you asked this. It's probably the team that is favored at home, but has a quarterback question, and the coach came out yesterday and said he needs a better version of said quarterback. His name could be Joe Smith, it could be Arch Manning, I don't know.

• 1:50:33Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:50:34Speaker 06

  But Texas plays Ole Miss this weekend. Texas has to win. Texas is not getting what it needs out of its quarterback, it's not getting what it needs out of its offensive line, it's not getting what it needs out of the play calling. If Texas were to lose to Ole Miss, now remember, they've still got a pretty tough schedule the rest of the way. They have to go to LSU, they have to go to Texas A&M. This could get pretty ugly.

• 1:51:01Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. It's a good question, Zach, and I, I agree, they feel like they're on the brink right now, where it's like, this is, Oregon's the other one, where I, I know they've already lost twice, but this does feel with some of the stuff that happened on, after the game, feels like season from hell situation, if like, Dante Moore doesn't come back.

• 1:51:22Speaker 06

  And with no Dante Moore, they're drastically different offense, whether that's Dylan Riola or Brock Thomas, both of them have been horrible at times. Dylan Riola did come in and lead them back against Nebraska, so maybe there's, there's some hope there with him. But like, they're going to play Illinois this weekend. Like, I'll take Brett Bielema against a quarterback that just got benched two weeks ago.

• 1:51:43Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's true.

• 1:51:45Speaker 02

  One last one, Andy. If BYU continues to win, how soon till we start having the 2019 LSU conversation?

• 1:51:53Speaker 06

  BYU. You will not get me to ever compare any team to that team. And I realize the person who did compare them qualified it with a something you do pretty frequently. PFT. I said, people are saying, I didn't say I was saying.

• 1:52:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:52:11Speaker 06

  People were saying.

• 1:52:12Speaker 02

  Some people will say it's not even people are, some people are going to say.

• 1:52:16Speaker 06

  Mm hmm.

• 1:52:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:52:17Speaker 00

  It could happen.

• 1:52:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a lot of people out there.

• 1:52:19Speaker 06

  That's my alma mater's team that was compared or by, by people or was gonna be compared by people.

• 1:52:25Speaker 02

  You were, you were gonna do it.

• 1:52:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, to, to 2019 LSU. I'm so glad I never had to actually get to the point where I made that comparison. They are not that good. That said, the Tramel Jones junior era in Gainesville might be upon us. We'll see who they decide to trot out there against Georgia in Atlanta next weekend. But that was, that was, that was fun to see him kind of click into place. That last drive of the first half and you're like, oh, oh, the young man is now comfortable. Let's see what happens. And he was awesome the rest of the way.

• 1:53:00Speaker 00

  Thank you for the reminder that the game's now in Atlanta because they're redoing the stadium in Jacksonville.

• 1:53:04Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 1:53:05Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:53:05Speaker 06

  Keeping the pool, I think, right?

• 1:53:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, we're gonna, I think they're keeping the pool. That's also bullshit for you guys because Atlanta's a little easier. That's, that's kind of bullshit.

• 1:53:15Speaker 06

  Well, I mean, look, the, the Jacksonville people have been good to the series. So it's only 70 miles from Gainesville. It's a good deal. I'll, I'll take it. But apparently the, the Georgia people like coming down. I, I go back to Larry Munson, the great Georgia radio announcer. When, when Lindsey Scott scored on that crazy touchdown in 1980, where he's, he's just naming all the condo complexes. Where Georgia people stay like it's, it's, everybody loves it. So it'll be back in Jacksonville because Jacksonville is gonna pay a lot of money for it. But yeah, you get, get it in Atlanta this year.

• 1:53:47Speaker 02

  I'm usually, I'm usually anti neutral site games unless the neutral site is outdoors. I hate neutral site indoor games. It kind of, it loses all the soul. If it's outside, that's a different thing. Um, we just need to get, do a better job. If we're gonna be doing all the other stuff to make money for everybody hand over fist, can we at least put in a clause? Like, let's limit some of these dome neutral site games.

• 1:54:10Speaker 06

  Well, I, I'm with you there because I like, I like the elements in football too. I, unlike Hank, I believe weather's a thing. The, my thing about Florida, Georgia, and it is Florida, Georgia, because F becomes, comes before G in the alphabet. And it's a neutral site game. Uh, I think it should be played on campus.

• 1:54:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:54:29Speaker 06

  That's selfish because I think Athens is the best college town in America. And my, you know, my folks who went to Florida really never get to experience it. And I feel like that's a, that's a shame because they got to go one time in the mid 90s and they never get to go again. And I'm telling you, Athens is the best college town in America.

• 1:54:49Speaker 00

  They got a taste. Uh, all right, Andy, you're the best, man. Thank you so much. We appreciate it. Everyone go check out Andy on three. And, uh, like I said, the college football inquired podcast. We'll, uh, talk again in a couple of months and we'll, we'll be closer to a 12 team playoff, our last one ever.

• 1:55:06Speaker 02

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• 1:55:07Speaker 00

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• 1:57:34Speaker 00

  Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest. It is Detroit Lions tight end, uh, Sam Laporta. Pro Bowl tight end? Are we still doing pro bowls? I don't even know. Are we?

• 1:57:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know. I think the, uh, the pro bowl games are gonna be a little bit different this year, I heard.

• 1:57:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. Maybe.

• 1:57:55Speaker 04

  I think the accolade is still out there.

• 1:57:56Speaker 00

  Okay, yeah, pro bowl tight end, maybe no more dodgeball and everything. All right. So Sam, you're on your bye, or you just finished your bye week. We have a, a bunch of stuff to get to because you're an awesome, awesome player. And, uh, we respect the hell out of tight ends on this podcast, but I had a question about just the bye week logistics. How, how many days do you actually get off and did you go anywhere? Or do you just sit around like, you had the perfect bye week that you had, you got to just watch college football Saturday, assume?

• 1:58:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was good. Um, so years prior, I've always had the Monday night game. This year we did play on Sunday, so we got, we had to go in on Tuesday and then, um, had five days off after that. So.

• 1:58:41Speaker 00

  That's nice.

• 1:58:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was really nice.

• 1:58:43Speaker 00

  Yeah. Is that a cat? Was there a cat?

• 1:58:45Speaker 04

  It is. Do you hear her?

• 1:58:47Speaker 00

  You're a cat guy? What's her name?

• 1:58:50Speaker 04

  Her name's Lulu. She's covered in leaves. She was out hunting all night.

• 1:58:54Speaker 02

  I, okay, I respect that. Like an outdoor cat.

• 1:58:56Speaker 04

  She's a beast.

• 1:58:57Speaker 00

  Wait.

• 1:58:58Speaker 04

  She's indoor outdoor. Let me put her, you want to put her away?

• 1:59:00Speaker 00

  No, I mean, it's fine. Lulu can hang out. I just, I, football guy. Does Dan Campbell know that you have a cat?

• 1:59:07Speaker 04

  I think he would respect it because he has a little dog. So I think the cat to the little dog, it's like the equivalent thing.

• 1:59:15Speaker 00

  All right, he's put the cat away.

• 1:59:17Speaker 02

  I'm wondering if he's ever had a chance to catch up with, with Tony Scheffler.

• 1:59:21Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:59:21Speaker 02

  About their cats. Cause it sounds like, like this might be a tight end thing. Have you, have you ever talked to Tony Scheffler about his cat, Scouty?

• 1:59:28Speaker 04

  No, I don't think I have.

• 1:59:30Speaker 02

  He's got a, like, it's a barn cat, Scouty, that kills like hundreds of mice a year. It's like the most badass cat.

• 1:59:37Speaker 04

  She's a beast. We live on like an acre, so there's lots of birds, mice, all this stuff. So she has lots of fun.

• 1:59:44Speaker 00

  So you just let your cat out at night and just like go, go have fun, just hunt some stuff and then come back tomorrow?

• 1:59:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is what it is. I mean, there's coyotes and stuff out there, but we give her a little, uh, little treat and we send her on her way. Tell her be safe.

• 1:59:59Speaker 00

  It's actually kind of cool.

• 2:00:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:01Speaker 04

  Watch out for the coyotes, Lulu.

• 2:00:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I respect that.

• 2:00:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:00:05Speaker 02

  That's a self sufficient cat. That cat's a grinder. Yeah.

• 2:00:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. That's awesome.

• 2:00:10Speaker 02

  Do you think that, um, as a tight end, um, do you think, first question about that is Iowa officially tightened you? Are they number one?

• 2:00:21Speaker 04

  I think we have to be. I think as of recent, definitely going back to like the early 2000s with KF. And starting with Dallas Clark, Moyaki, Brandon Myers, it's just go down the list. And then the recent years, starting with George, just, it's been ridiculous since then. It's almost like every starting tight end has had a chance to make the NFL roster after they come out of Iowa.

• 2:00:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:00:47Speaker 02

  What do you think it is about Iowa in particular? Cause they're not necessarily known for being explosive offenses all the time. But fullbacks, tight ends, they have some, have some good pieces there. Like what is it about Iowa that, that makes great, uh, offensive pass catching tight ends once they get to the league?

• 2:01:04Speaker 04

  They, they have some sort of formula, but I, I think they recruit high school receivers. They teach them how to be tough at Iowa. And I think the toughness part you can learn. You know, you learn to block, but the ability to, um, be crafty in your routes and such. I think that, you know, that's a little more God given. So they do a good job with the recruiting. KF always has done. So I gotta maybe attribute it to that.

• 2:01:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. It's also interesting because it feels like every time a guy pops from Iowa, like you, you can look at their career in Iowa. It's not like they were catching, you know, 40 balls and, and a bunch of touchdowns at Iowa. It's like they have the, they have the skill set, but they weren't used that way. And then GMs in the NFL are like, all right, that guy's an Iowa guy. We know he can block and now he can catch. Is that like, did you know that you could be this dynamic of an offensive weapon when you got drafted by the Lions?

• 2:02:01Speaker 04

  Well, you gotta consider the fact that. My, my last two years at Iowa, we were not, we were not exactly dynamic on our side of the ball. So, you know, I was catching a couple passes here and there, but I think the GMs are more the credits to find the diamond in the rough per se.

• 2:02:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. So, so, but when you get, when you get to, uh, to Detroit and it's, you know, Dan Campbell and Ben Johnson's there at the time. Was there, was there like a meeting where they're like, hey, I know that you didn't play in like a crazy offense at Iowa, but we think you can do this and like kind of instilling it in you. I mean, you'd have 58 catches your senior year, but like instilling it to you that you're going to be used in a, in a way that you were never used in, in college.

• 2:02:46Speaker 04

  Yeah. Being like a pivotal part of the offense was not new. You know, I did get the ball my last couple of years at Iowa. It wasn't an issue in terms of targets, but in terms of offensive quality, just being, you know, I feel so bad, you know, shitting on my former offense, but it was really struggle at times, you know?

• 2:03:07Speaker 00

  Yeah. You guys struggle sometimes. Yeah.

• 2:03:10Speaker 04

  Coming into that league with Ben Johnson as the OC and I'm like, oh my God, we're scoring like 30 points a game consistently. Like this is unbelievable, you know? That was just an eye opening moment, like that offenses are supposed to operate this way at a high level.

• 2:03:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:03:28Speaker 02

  Do you think, uh, do you think Coach Campbell coaches you harder as a tight end himself?

• 2:03:33Speaker 04

  Definitely. He said, I mean, he'll say that to us, to the media, to everybody. He's like, we're going to be harder on you guys than anybody else.

• 2:03:40Speaker 00

  Oh, I like, yeah, I like that. I also.

• 2:03:42Speaker 04

  You know, you gotta respect, but it's also, yeah. He's trying to elevate your play, which you, you respect and you appreciate. But at times it's tough.

• 2:03:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I was wondering about this with, with Coach Campbell. We're, we're big fans of Coach Campbell. Uh, we've had him on the show a couple of times. But his aggressiveness, and this might go also to, you know, Ben Johnson, when he was the OC there, and I see the Bears do it all the time as well. But his aggressiveness, you know, going into the game, he's going to be aggressive, right? Like there's no shocking, there's no, so like I always make the argument when, when people are sitting on their couch and they're like, oh, how can you go for it there? Like that's so deflating for the offense or the defense is left out to dry. It's like you, I would assume going into games, you, you guys are very clear of like, these are the situations we are always going to go for it.

• 2:04:33Speaker 04

  He's gone into particular weeks where

• 2:04:37Speaker 04

  he's told us, we got four downs up and down the field. I don't care if we're on the minus 20, we're going, if it's fourth and eight on the minus 20, we're going for it. And on Wednesday afternoon, you hear that in the team meeting, you're like, oh shit, we better buckle up this week, boys. Like we're going the length of the field, all four downs. I mean,

• 2:04:54Speaker 00

  That's awesome.

• 2:04:55Speaker 04

  Cool to have that dude like putting the wind in your sails, saying like this offense is not going to be stopped this week. Like, like, boys, you better buckle up. It's time to go. And you're like, all right, let's fucking buckle up. Let's go then.

• 2:05:07Speaker 02

  Fourth and eight from your own 20. I could see, I could see it happening. Is that the craziest scenario that you guys are prepared for? Or has there been a crazier one?

• 2:05:16Speaker 04

  I mean, minus 20, that, that's probably the craziest. Your back would have to be against the wall, like a dire situation, end of the game. But we've been at midfield going forward on fourth and five, fourth and six before. I, I always remember 2023, we go out to Baltimore, week six, and it was, we were behind already quite a bit, but it was fourth and seven at like the 50 yard line. And at Iowa, that's like a clear punt situation. It's my rookie year. I'm like starting to jog off the field. And I, I just see hands up from the head ball coach. I'm like, we're about to go for this. It's four, it's fourth and seven. We're at, we're at the 50 yard line. Like what do we do? You know? I don't know if we converted either, but.

• 2:06:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's.

• 2:06:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was definitely a switch up.

• 2:06:02Speaker 00

  That is a, a jarring like cultural change from Iowa offense where you punt to win to Detroit. Yeah. Now it's like, no, we don't punt because punt, I like it. I, I think there's obviously a lot of, uh, back and forth discourse on, on like, coaches getting too aggressive. Punting is a turnover. You are turning the ball over. You're giving them the ball. I know that it's for field position. There's definitely times to do it, but I like when teams are aggressive and I always go back to like, what am I rooting for? If I were, if I were facing this team, it's like, I don't want them to, if a dynamic offense on the field, I want them to punt when it's fourth and three. I don't want them to go for it. There's a good chance they're going to get it.

• 2:06:43Speaker 04

  Yeah. And I know there's people in the front office that are doing all the analytics and whatever. They're in that, the head ball coach's ear, the mic. Like this is a, this is a go for it situation, coach, if he wasn't already planning to go for it. I know we have those people.

• 2:07:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. How's, uh, how's your back doing? I know that you had, you had, did you have fall on surgery on a herniated disc?

• 2:07:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. I had a micro dissection last November. So we're coming up on like 11 months, almost a year, but feeling good.

• 2:07:15Speaker 04

  I was talking to someone this morning actually about it and I made the example of in training camp, we go live a little bit, but your teammates are still going to like take it easy on you. So week one, you know, you take a couple of shots and you kind of bounce up off the turf like, oh yeah, I guess I can still do this. Like I can get smoked, get up and go back in and play like 90% of the snaps or whatever it was.

• 2:07:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:07:40Speaker 04

  So it's just, yeah, kind of an eye opening moment, but cool to bounce back from that.

• 2:07:44Speaker 00

  Who's the, who's the hard, uh, what's the hardest hit you ever taken?

• 2:07:49Speaker 04

  It's a good question.

• 2:07:50Speaker 02

  Good question.

• 2:07:51Speaker 04

  I don't know if I have any diagnosed concussions, so I shouldn't be, uh,

• 2:07:57Speaker 04

  I don't know what the statute of limitations are with my medical staff, but you know, there's, there's been some times where the ears are ringing as you go back into the huddle and you hear the quarterback like,

• 2:08:11Speaker 04

  and you're like,

• 2:08:13Speaker 04

  am I?

• 2:08:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, right.

• 2:08:14Speaker 04

  You know, am I, am I cool? Like, am I good? And all you can hear is like the faintest voice of all time where you're just standing right next to the dude. You're like, oh my God, like maybe spray some water in your face, you know, shock you back into, into play a bit. So I won't get an exact scenario.

• 2:08:32Speaker 00

  Yeah. That's just Jared fucking with you. So we, we've known Jared for a long time. Uh, we love Jared. He's, he's a great dude, but I, I saw that you called him a diva quarterback, which I'll say this, we've known Jared since the day he was drafted. He's never really changed as a person. He's had tons of success, hundreds of millions of dollars, but he's, is he a diva now?

• 2:08:52Speaker 04

  Let me clarify. On game day, the dude will get smoked by grown ass men. 350 pound D tackles pop right up. He never looks to the refs for a call. He's never bitching and moaning. But in the facility on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday afternoons, he's fun to mess with because he's in there getting his boo boos treated. You know, he's acting like a human being, which is just different than what you see on the field because he is that fearless leader, the same consistent person that you're talking about. But it's fun to see him in the facility like, oh, you, you know, I got hit one time the other day. Like there was one pressure, but

• 2:09:32Speaker 04

  that one pressure like, ah, you know, I landed on my elbow or my hip or my butt. You know, I was like, really dude? Like you were standing in the cleanest pocket I've ever seen, but like now you're gonna, now you're gonna tell us about your bumps and bruises. So that, that, that's a better example.

• 2:09:51Speaker 00

  Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's fair.

• 2:09:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. He's, he hasn't changed a bit. He's always been a diva.

• 2:09:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:09:57Speaker 04

  I've only known him for four years, so that's my, that's my impression of him. He's not, he's very tough, but he likes the, he likes to let us know. He likes to be one of the guys.

• 2:10:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's, it's just, yeah. He, he wants you to know that he's going through the same things that you are on a day to day basis, except one is like a, a hangnail.

• 2:10:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, a little bit.

• 2:10:16Speaker 02

  We also, we all go through some, something every now and again. Uh, what's it like blocking for Jameer Gibbs? Does he ever outrun, is he sometimes too fast for you to block for him?

• 2:10:25Speaker 04

  Of course. He's unbelievable. I mean, many times throughout the season, I will be out there running, blocking and out of the corner of my eye, just a flash goes past me and number zero, or previously number 26. And it doesn't feel good. Like when my top speed is like 19 something miles an hour, and then he's in shoulder pads, in a helmet, running away from a defender, carrying the ball at like almost 23 miles an hour. It's just jaw dropping, like unbelievable.

• 2:10:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. Who do you think is faster, him or JMo?

• 2:11:03Speaker 04

  I think they're a little bit different because JMo's really got the top end speed and the long strides, but Jameer is running full speed after like five yards.

• 2:11:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:11:14Speaker 04

  His burst, his quickness is, is just incredible.

• 2:11:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:11:18Speaker 04

  Wicked.

• 2:11:19Speaker 00

  He's special to watch. It's, it's pretty insane. Do you, uh, cause we're also good friends. We talked about tight end U and, and, and Kittle. Do you, do you enjoy blocking the way that like a Kittle does where I think he likes blocking more than he likes scoring touchdowns? Like.

• 2:11:36Speaker 04

  George is kind of a psycho.

• 2:11:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:11:40Speaker 04

  I'd say it's, it's about even. When you know that you are important in the scheme and a guy like Jameer is going to pop a big run because of a good block that you had, that feels good.

• 2:11:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:11:53Speaker 04

  Of course. But when it's the ninth play of the drive and the coach is calling your number again, like go move this 280 pound defensive end, whose only job is to set the edge or on third down, rush the passer. It's like,

• 2:12:12Speaker 04

  let me buckle up my tin strap one more time.

• 2:12:15Speaker 00

  Yeah. Those are not the fun times. That's fair.

• 2:12:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, those are tough.

• 2:12:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:12:19Speaker 04

  Got to buckle up there.

• 2:12:20Speaker 02

  Are you the, uh, the best current Italian NFL player?

• 2:12:24Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 2:12:26Speaker 04

  It's a good question.

• 2:12:27Speaker 02

  Good question.

• 2:12:28Speaker 04

  Do you have, do you have a list there?

• 2:12:29Speaker 02

  Tommy DeVito, uh, yeah, Tommy DeVito, um, the Bosa brothers. Yeah. Geno Smith. Yep. Italian name. Uh, who else? Max.

• 2:12:42Speaker 07

  Italians?

• 2:12:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. What are their Italians?

• 2:12:45Speaker 00

  Let's think.

• 2:12:46Speaker 07

  Just naming Italians?

• 2:12:47Speaker 02

  Zalone. Yeah. Name Italians. Oh, Joe Flacco.

• 2:12:52Speaker 00

  Joe Flacco, Matt Milano.

• 2:12:54Speaker 04

  I hit the Joe Flacco.

• 2:12:56Speaker 02

  Uh, do you?

• 2:12:57Speaker 04

  I, I don't know. Maybe I, so I'll tell you this. I did put in my name for the Italian flag football team for the LA Olympics in 28.

• 2:13:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:09Speaker 04

  So I'll see, I'll see if they want to use me. Um.

• 2:13:13Speaker 02

  They should.

• 2:13:13Speaker 04

  I know they're, they're doing okay. And many of my, like a lot of my buddies, when I told them that, like, why didn't you submit your name for the American flag football team? And I was like, dude, there's no chance. Come on. Like, let me try to represent my heritage here, but we'll see in a couple of years if that happens or not.

• 2:13:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, they should want you, I think. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm thinking who else that they, they could possibly have. Also, we played a little scrimmage against the flag football team. Flag football is a completely different sport.

• 2:13:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're really nasty.

• 2:13:43Speaker 02

  Like the different rule changes and stuff that it, it takes a while to get used to those. And to be able to like, take advantage of those, those rules. So the tight ends in the flag football Olympics, they might have, I don't know, they might be like five foot 10. You never know.

• 2:13:56Speaker 04

  Okay. That's true.

• 2:13:57Speaker 02

  You should do it. Like we saw Vinnie Pasquattino and a bunch of, uh, uh, Italian major league baseball players represent Italy in the world baseball classic. They had fun. You should do it in the Olympics. Yeah.

• 2:14:07Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. If they want me, I would love to do it to play. I mean, especially since it's stateside, like that makes it a lot more convenient as well.

• 2:14:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:14:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, we, yeah, Flacco, the Flacco to Laporta connection would be generational.

• 2:14:21Speaker 00

  That would be.

• 2:14:21Speaker 04

  But yeah, DeVito, DeVito cracks me up every time he's in, he's out there flicking their wrist.

• 2:14:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's good. Representation matters. Our guy Max here in the booth, he thinks that there's a lot of anti-Italian discrimination going around i- in general. So we gotta have more guys like Tommy DeVito out there.

• 2:14:38Speaker 07

  All over the place, across all sports and platforms.

• 2:14:42Speaker 04

  It's funny. So I'll, I'll tell you this too. I'm only a quarter Italian. And people make lots of jokes like, dude, you're not even full Guido and you're out here talking, you know, you're trying to speak broken Italian to people and, you know, gracias. And I'm like, come on, I'm trying to represent, you know, and there's like, get out of here. You're not Italian. You're not real Italian, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, come on, you know, trying my best here.

• 2:15:07Speaker 00

  Yeah. You got the, the vowel at the end of the name means you're good. That's a hundred percent.

• 2:15:12Speaker 04

  That's from the Sopranos, right?

• 2:15:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:15:14Speaker 04

  The vowel at the end.

• 2:15:15Speaker 00

  Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, all right. So I got a question for you about, uh, your upcoming. I know you probably don't want to talk about it, but you do have an extension possibly, uh, coming up.

• 2:15:28Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 2:15:29Speaker 00

  We will, uh, you know, we've been doing this podcast for 10 years. We will mention you every single show in a positive fashion. Uh, until you sign your extension for 5% of your new deal.

• 2:15:44Speaker 04

  Oh, 5%? That's hefty.

• 2:15:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, it is. It's hefty.

• 2:15:48Speaker 04

  I think I'd rather take the slander from you guys than the 5% of my next contract.

• 2:15:53Speaker 02

  Oh no.

• 2:15:54Speaker 07

  It can get ugly.

• 2:15:54Speaker 00

  Oh, that's gonna get real ugly.

• 2:15:56Speaker 02

  Like how much slander do you want us to do?

• 2:15:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, the Lions are gonna pay us 10% of everything they save. If we slander, we'll go.

• 2:16:03Speaker 04

  Listen guys, there's a lot of content out there that you guys have to cover. I don't think the slander is gonna be too much. So.

• 2:16:09Speaker 02

  I don't know. We got some guys that are weapons on the internet over here.

• 2:16:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:16:13Speaker 02

  Some guys that'll come up with deep fakes you haven't even thought about.

• 2:16:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:16:16Speaker 04

  Yeah. You got like, you got like 10 burners, PFT or what?

• 2:16:21Speaker 02

  No, I have zero burners.

• 2:16:22Speaker 00

  All I'm saying is absolutely no, no. Along with the Italian heritage, it would be a real shame if, if something, if something happened to your name, you know, on these internet streets. But we can protect you. We can protect you for a little.

• 2:16:38Speaker 00

  Just wet the beak. We'll, we'll make sure your name stays clean.

• 2:16:42Speaker 04

  All right. We'll, we'll see. We'll see.

• 2:16:44Speaker 00

  No, the, uh, is it, I know that you are dealing with it. Is it weird having to play and be like, well, or is that something you just have your agent deal with? Like, hey, you tell me when we're good or when we can get to a point because that, that part of the sport does suck, I'm sure. Where it's like, you want to be compensated for how good you've been. And the Lions have to think of like big picture. So that part sucks.

• 2:17:04Speaker 04

  I think the combination of like getting your heartstrings twisted as well as the violent sport that we play. You know, it sucks and it's, it's disappointing that you go out there every week and you bear the risk of getting hurt, you know, like last year, whatever it was, week nine, week 10, you know, I break my fucking back for the team. And then I'm going out there this year and I'm balling. And maybe they're just not showing the love.

• 2:17:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:17:36Speaker 04

  It sucks. Um, I'm going to continue to be a pro and, you know, I dissed a lot of that to my agent. And he handles that great. Jack Beck does handle your buddy George as well as a lot of other guys. So I'm going to continue to go do my thing and ball out. And in three months, if I don't get to wear the Honolulu blue and play for the Lions anymore, it's gonna be all good. I'll go get paid somewhere else. So whatever.

• 2:18:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's a smart way to look at it. It's like, all you can do is control what you're doing, playing the game.

• 2:18:05Speaker 02

  If it were me, I would pay Laporta.

• 2:18:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, I would too.

• 2:18:08Speaker 02

  Pay Laporta. Do the right thing.

• 2:18:10Speaker 00

  Dude, we would pay you and I think the Lions should pay you. And this is the type of stuff that you can, you can get from us for a small nominal fee of 5%, 5%, 5%. We're gonna get 10% from the Lions. We're gonna turn around and be like, hey, it's the slander, the slander train's gonna happen.

• 2:18:27Speaker 02

  Has anybody ever called you the Swiss Army knife? I feel like anyone who's referred to as being a Swiss Army knife, that's always worth another 10% of their contract.

• 2:18:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:18:35Speaker 04

  That's true. That's a great compliment as a tight end being, you know, being able to use in any capacity.

• 2:18:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:41Speaker 04

  That's a good, and I like that.

• 2:18:42Speaker 00

  Have you been used on QB sneaks?

• 2:18:46Speaker 04

  No, I have one career rushing attempt. It was a fullback dive.

• 2:18:50Speaker 02

  Hell yeah.

• 2:18:51Speaker 04

  And four yards.

• 2:18:51Speaker 00

  Four yards?

• 2:18:53Speaker 02

  It's a little flashy.

• 2:18:54Speaker 04

  So I'm a career, I'm a career four yard rusher currently. If I get another one, you know, gonna have to uphold that standard.

• 2:19:01Speaker 00

  We might need to get you into doing some tush push and be like, hey, Sam Lapo.

• 2:19:05Speaker 04

  That'd be good.

• 2:19:06Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's unstoppable tush push.

• 2:19:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. Or get you involved in some of those weird lateral plays that they like to draw up on the Lions a lot. Like, you should do, just take this play, just take, take it to your coordinator, run the Peney Sewell, uh, lateral play again. That was awesome.

• 2:19:20Speaker 04

  We need to, oh dude, that guy's a monster. We need to get him the rock a little bit more.

• 2:19:24Speaker 00

  Yeah. Can you talk me through, speaking of plays, and this has been a lot of fun, Sam, we have a couple more questions, but speaking of plays, uh, my current coach, Ben Johnson, the, the, the stumble bumble play, when he,

• 2:19:35Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 2:19:36Speaker 00

  which he did against the Bears in 2023, you caught the touchdown in that play. When he installed that, we all like, well, this is fucking insane. What are the, like Jared's gonna intentionally try to like trip and then Jameer's gonna be pretending to trip. Did you guys do, or was it just a buy-in right away? It's like, all right, fine. Whatever you say, we'll do.

• 2:19:56Speaker 04

  Because of how good he had been in the past, I think the buy-in was almost immediate. And then he showed sort of the context of,

• 2:20:06Speaker 04

  I can't remember what week that was.

• 2:20:07Speaker 00

  It was like 16 or 15. Yeah.

• 2:20:10Speaker 04

  Yeah. So I, I caught that pass, whatever, week 15 or week 16, but the Bears were playing the Packers earlier in the year.

• 2:20:17Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 2:20:19Speaker 04

  And the exact same situation happened. They were running the sneaky out the back door. But I think Jordan Love had actually fumbled the snap.

• 2:20:28Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:20:28Speaker 04

  And they, they, they cut Luke Musgrave loose down the sideline. So he basically said that we're gonna recreate that. And I was like, that is fucking genius. That dude is so smart. Like, to sit up in your office for hours on end, like those coaches do, and to pick that particular play out and convince the entire offensive staff that you're gonna install that purposefully with the fake fumble and the fakes, the fake fumble, the fake stumble, the fake fall down by JG. Really wicked.

• 2:21:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:21:00Speaker 04

  Good for that dude. Yeah.

• 2:21:01Speaker 00

  Well, yeah, I mean, I, I love him. I die for him. I'd do anything for him. I, I have one other, uh, Bears Lions related question. When Matt Eberflus just didn't call a timeout, were you guys all like, what the fuck is this guy's problem?

• 2:21:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was, that was crazy. That was, was that Thanksgiving?

• 2:21:17Speaker 00

  It was Thanksgiving. Yes. It was Thanksgiving Day. Yes.

• 2:21:21Speaker 04

  So we had a, a former snapper that was playing for the Bears that year. Shout out Scott Daley. Scott was going to come back to our house afterwards for Thanksgiving dinner. He got the, uh, the approval from Eberflus. And after the game, I'm like, Scott, Eberflus is, he has to be fired tomorrow, right? Like that is probably the worst botch I've ever seen. At least in my playing career. And he's like, dude, yeah, I, I don't, he's so nice. Scott wouldn't tell me, but of course the next day he gets fired.

• 2:21:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:21:52Speaker 04

  Like that was a horrible botch. What a bad beat. Like on Thanksgiving Day in front of millions of people, sitting on their couch, eating their turkey and gravy, and you do that? Like that's, that was a tough look.

• 2:22:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was so, it was so bad. Like the Bears never fire coaches in the middle of the season and that, that it was so bad. They're like, we actually have to do it this time.

• 2:22:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, it had to.

• 2:22:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:22:13Speaker 04

  That was, that was really bad.

• 2:22:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:22:15Speaker 02

  Do you, uh, do you like playing on Thanksgiving?

• 2:22:18Speaker 04

  I think it's the best time slot in the NFL.

• 2:22:21Speaker 00

  Ooh.

• 2:22:21Speaker 04

  It's a home game too for us.

• 2:22:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:22:23Speaker 04

  We always have that midday game at home. By five o'clock, I'm either sitting in a restaurant or at home eating dinner.

• 2:22:33Speaker 00

  That actually is nice.

• 2:22:33Speaker 04

  It's incredible. And I have the rest of the day.

• 2:22:35Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Yeah. And you get the weekend, right?

• 2:22:38Speaker 04

  The weekend too. Yeah.

• 2:22:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:22:40Speaker 04

  Incredible.

• 2:22:40Speaker 00

  That is actually sick.

• 2:22:41Speaker 02

  That is a pretty good deal.

• 2:22:42Speaker 00

  Um, all right. Uh, Sam, we got one last question. This has been awesome, man. Uh, if you're ever in Chicago in the off season, we'd love to have you come by the office. Uh, our last question, yeah, we should definitely do it. Rowback question, rhobac.com. Promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Rowback.com. Uh, Zach, you ready?

• 2:23:04Speaker 07

  Yes, sir.

• 2:23:04Speaker 00

  Go for it.

• 2:23:05Speaker 07

  Uh, Sam, I was, uh, I did have a quick question. I was wondering if you had any superstitions that you practiced going into a game?

• 2:23:12Speaker 04

  Superstitions.

• 2:23:16Speaker 04

  On Sunday morning before the games, I do a, a weekly waffle, which is kind of lame to admit. But I feel like the hotel breakfast that we get, not too bad on game day. So I wake up at the hotel. I get downstairs, get a little scrambled, scrambled eggs and a waffle. So every, every Sunday I partake in that.

• 2:23:38Speaker 00

  That's not lame. That's interesting. No, the continental breakfast. Yeah.

• 2:23:41Speaker 04

  No, I thought you guys were maybe gonna pass on.

• 2:23:43Speaker 00

  No, I do waffles on Sundays with my kids all the time.

• 2:23:46Speaker 02

  Waffles are delicious. I, I was saying the other day, I feel like the continental waffle for free at a hotel breakfast when I was growing up, it was amazing. But most of the ones I've been to recently have, have been off the mark. I feel like they're cheaping out on the batter, but if you find a good one, it's really, really good.

• 2:24:01Speaker 04

  I always get it fresh too.

• 2:24:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:24:03Speaker 04

  You know, I, I hate to be a diva in that regard, but I, I go straight up to the person manning the waffle station. I say, could I get a fresh waffle, please? Which they happily agree to.

• 2:24:13Speaker 00

  Yes. Yes. You got it.

• 2:24:15Speaker 04

  You can't have them sitting out for too long on the burners. You know, that's no good.

• 2:24:18Speaker 00

  No. Yeah. I'd agree. I'd agree. Um, all right. Well, Sam, this has been a lot of fun, man. And, uh, yeah, we hope, hope to run into you in the future and, uh, shout out Lulu the cat. Uh, how many, how many, how many like, uh, mice has she killed?

• 2:24:33Speaker 04

  She brought home a, uh, a good sized mouse about two weeks ago. So she's been slacking. I'll get her on it.

• 2:24:42Speaker 04

  She always brings it up to the back door.

• 2:24:44Speaker 00

  You gotta, you.

• 2:24:45Speaker 02

  As an, as an offering for you?

• 2:24:46Speaker 00

  You gotta put a GoPro on her, uh, on her, uh, like collar just to see what she does all night.

• 2:24:52Speaker 04

  Okay. Then the next, the next thing she catches, I'll send it to y'all. This is the product of Lulu.

• 2:24:59Speaker 00

  I love.

• 2:24:59Speaker 02

  Tell her to go get a bird. Yeah.

• 2:25:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:25:01Speaker 04

  You guys can post that.

• 2:25:03Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Thank you so much, Sam. We appreciate it, man.

• 2:25:06Speaker 04

  Appreciate it, y'all.

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• 2:27:34Speaker 00

  Okay. Let's wrap up the show. We've got FAQs.

• 2:27:37Speaker 05

  I also have a quick, I forgot, uh, I got a bone to pick with your computer, big cat.

• 2:27:42Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 2:27:43Speaker 05

  I know, I know it's not you, but it's, yeah, whoever, if you can, you know, punch us into the code and just let them know.

• 2:27:48Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:27:50Speaker 05

  I listened to you guys just, just shit all over Bo Nix on Sunday. You're talking about how he's clueless out there. Don't know what he's doing. You put the, you put the, your computer put the Broncos as Super Bowl contenders.

• 2:28:03Speaker 00

  Yeah. Does, um, does that say Bo Nix is a Super Bowl contender or says the Bron?

• 2:28:07Speaker 05

  How can you be a Super Bowl contender if your quarterback is as bad as you said he was?

• 2:28:11Speaker 00

  Because the Broncos have, uh, Bo Nix has won 18 of the last 21 starts and the Broncos just keep winning. That's the Broncos. Is that the Broncos?

• 2:28:20Speaker 05

  Do you think Bo Nix can win a Super Bowl?

• 2:28:22Speaker 00

  Can you look further down?

• 2:28:24Speaker 02

  I can't see.

• 2:28:24Speaker 00

  I think there's a, a place where Bo Nix is too.

• 2:28:27Speaker 02

  I can't see.

• 2:28:28Speaker 00

  World, world's zoom in. Can you zoom in? Max?

• 2:28:34Speaker 03

  I gotta save it first and then Twitter doesn't let you do it.

• 2:28:36Speaker 00

  All right. I'll zoom in for you in my.

• 2:28:38Speaker 02

  You can definitely zoom in on Twitter.

• 2:28:40Speaker 00

  You could definitely zoom in.

• 2:28:41Speaker 03

  Not on desktop.

• 2:28:43Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 2:28:43Speaker 03

  I think you can.

• 2:28:44Speaker 00

  Uh, down further Hank on the computer power rankings, which again is not me.

• 2:28:49Speaker 03

  Zooming in.

• 2:28:50Speaker 02

  Uh, oh yeah, no, I can see that better now.

• 2:28:52Speaker 00

  It says.

• 2:28:52Speaker 02

  That's Bo Nix at the bottom. Yeah.

• 2:28:53Speaker 00

  Still life's greatest mysteries. And there's Bo Nix, Amelia Earhart. Who shot JFK? Where's the G-spot? And the Malaysia flight.

• 2:29:06Speaker 05

  But you think Bo Nix can win a Super Bowl?

• 2:29:07Speaker 00

  Super Bowl contenders, not Bo Nix.

• 2:29:11Speaker 05

  So you think Bo Nix can win a Super Bowl?

• 2:29:13Speaker 00

  I think the Broncos can.

• 2:29:16Speaker 00

  You're gonna ask me a different way and I'll just answer the same way.

• 2:29:18Speaker 05

  No, I, yeah, I, your computer, it makes no sense.

• 2:29:21Speaker 00

  It's my computer. Take it up on my computer.

• 2:29:22Speaker 05

  I did. I told you to send a message.

• 2:29:24Speaker 02

  Without Bo Nix.

• 2:29:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:29:25Speaker 03

  They kind of proved last week that if they played the Seahawks, they won.

• 2:29:28Speaker 00

  They were one game away from the Super Bowl and almost won the game to go to the Super Bowl without Bo Nix. And then, and then last week beat the Super Bowl champions. With, with Bo Nix playing the worst football possible.

• 2:29:41Speaker 02

  And if you don't like it, my suggestion to you Hank would be number one, either do your own power rankings.

• 2:29:46Speaker 00

  You could.

• 2:29:47Speaker 02

  By your own computer.

• 2:29:48Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 2:29:48Speaker 02

  Or, or number three, why don't you just beat whoever's, whoever the computer's favorite team is on Thursday night?

• 2:29:55Speaker 05

  Facts.

• 2:29:56Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:29:57Speaker 05

  That's facts. That must be where the computer.

• 2:29:59Speaker 00

  Battle for the only two, two, two good teams on this podcast.

• 2:30:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, it is.

• 2:30:04Speaker 00

  It's kind of crazy how this season has gone. It's fallen apart. The rest of the podcast's fallen apart quickly.

• 2:30:10Speaker 02

  Max and I are both in contention for our division.

• 2:30:12Speaker 00

  True. So.

• 2:30:13Speaker 03

  Great point.

• 2:30:14Speaker 00

  Honestly, so is Zach weirdly.

• 2:30:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:18Speaker 03

  Fight and chance.

• 2:30:19Speaker 00

  All right. Go ahead.

• 2:30:22Speaker 05

  Uh, if Max could be any type of meatball, what type of meatball would he be?

• 2:30:30Speaker 02

  I mean, I, I think he'd be a big one. I think he'd be like a turkey one. I think he'd be a really big.

• 2:30:36Speaker 03

  Turkey would be fit. I was, that, that's incorrect.

• 2:30:40Speaker 02

  Max would be a big meatball. He'd be a big dumb meatball.

• 2:30:43Speaker 03

  I'm the, I'm the beef pork, beef pork field trio.

• 2:30:48Speaker 00

  He might be a vegan meatball. The way he's been acting recently, he's got a lot of chick tendencies. He got mad at me yesterday.

• 2:30:53Speaker 02

  Ponytail.

• 2:30:54Speaker 00

  Well, wine drinker.

• 2:30:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:56Speaker 00

  Bath taker.

• 2:30:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:58Speaker 00

  How I met your mother watcher.

• 2:31:01Speaker 03

  Guys.

• 2:31:01Speaker 00

  And loves blankets.

• 2:31:03Speaker 05

  None, and doesn't watch Monday night football.

• 2:31:05Speaker 00

  It doesn't watch Monday football.

• 2:31:06Speaker 02

  It sits crisscross applesauce.

• 2:31:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:31:08Speaker 03

  I, I mean, Monday night football was very much on the back burner last night. I was, I was guard ball, Ray ball.

• 2:31:16Speaker 02

  Got it. Yeah. Not a football guy. That's okay.

• 2:31:18Speaker 05

  I mean, they have.

• 2:31:19Speaker 00

  Well, you had, did you have your little blanket after your bath?

• 2:31:21Speaker 05

  Split screen.

• 2:31:22Speaker 03

  I, splits, I'm, I'm over split screen.

• 2:31:25Speaker 00

  Split screen is.

• 2:31:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. I had it on the iPad.

• 2:31:28Speaker 00

  I got a crazy take. This doesn't make any sense in my head, but it does, well, it makes sense in my head, but I know it doesn't say, make any sense we're about to say. I can follow quad box better than I can follow split.

• 2:31:39Speaker 03

  I agree with that a hundred percent.

• 2:31:40Speaker 02

  It's because the, uh, the borders, it's the wasted space.

• 2:31:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:31:44Speaker 03

  The wasted space pisses me off.

• 2:31:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. It pisses me off big time. I would, I might even like, I think I like the, the tri-box.

• 2:31:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:31:52Speaker 02

  Better than the, because they're like the same size.

• 2:31:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:31:55Speaker 03

  And at least in the tri-box, you have one that you're focused on.

• 2:31:59Speaker 02

  When I'm watching the split screen, it's almost like I'm watching a broken TV.

• 2:32:03Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:32:03Speaker 02

  That has access to like a non-authorized channel.

• 2:32:06Speaker 00

  I don't know how.

• 2:32:07Speaker 03

  It's 50% bezel. What if you stack them like this?

• 2:32:09Speaker 05

  It's aspect ratio.

• 2:32:10Speaker 02

  It's aspect ratio.

• 2:32:11Speaker 00

  Oh, fuck.

• 2:32:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. If they did it top and bottom.

• 2:32:14Speaker 03

  You just stretch, stretch it out a little bit.

• 2:32:16Speaker 02

  I think that'd be better.

• 2:32:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. That's right. They should make TVs that are more, you know.

• 2:32:21Speaker 02

  Square.

• 2:32:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. That are better for the, for the dual box.

• 2:32:25Speaker 02

  Or I guess just like a much wider, you should have a TV that's your dual box TV. Specifically, it's probably not your everyday TV, but you have your specific, very wide, kind of narrow TV. Or only for use in split screen.

• 2:32:39Speaker 03

  Or just get two TVs and split screen it.

• 2:32:41Speaker 00

  Breaking mousse.

• 2:32:45Speaker 00

  Breaking mousse. AJ DeBance has been ruled out for the season opener against the Bucks.

• 2:32:50Speaker 05

  No.

• 2:32:50Speaker 02

  That's all right.

• 2:32:51Speaker 05

  Oh man, that was scary for a second.

• 2:32:52Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:32:53Speaker 03

  I thought, yeah.

• 2:32:53Speaker 02

  I, I, I thought that this might happen. Thought it might happen. I was gonna get him.

• 2:32:59Speaker 05

  Is he gonna be running, uh, like biking on the bike?

• 2:33:02Speaker 00

  His ankle, right?

• 2:33:02Speaker 02

  I was gonna get him on, uh, one question with a wizard before the game and they told me that he couldn't do it at the last minute yesterday. So I figured he was probably going to be out. We'll just have to, we'll pivot. We'll get somebody else on one question with a wizard.

• 2:33:16Speaker 02

  But yeah, maybe he'll be on the bike next to me.

• 2:33:18Speaker 05

  That'd be cool.

• 2:33:19Speaker 02

  Stay in shape. Um, yeah, that sucks, but listen, I've got a great team without him.

• 2:33:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:33:25Speaker 03

  Well, I really start tanking.

• 2:33:28Speaker 02

  That's a very funny joke, man.

• 2:33:29Speaker 03

  Thank you. Not a joke.

• 2:33:31Speaker 05

  Uh, hi PMT boys. How many interviews end up getting shelved and never end up on air? We know you interviewed John Summerall. Tommy ended up being bad in this interview. What are some examples of interviews that were done? Was that, was that like a gotcha?

• 2:33:43Speaker 02

  No, we, we said we were going to interview him.

• 2:33:45Speaker 00

  We had him planned to, we were going, we were, we had it planned to interview, then they got absolutely smoked by Mizzou. And we're like, there's no way he wants to do it. So we mutually were like, hey, let's find another time. We never actually taped it.

• 2:34:00Speaker 05

  There's less than like five interviews, I think, that have been shelved.

• 2:34:06Speaker 02

  Uh, Dan Bilzerian?

• 2:34:07Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 2:34:08Speaker 00

  Chris Paul?

• 2:34:08Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 2:34:09Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:34:09Speaker 05

  Dave Ortiz.

• 2:34:10Speaker 00

  Big copy.

• 2:34:11Speaker 05

  Pudge Rodriguez.

• 2:34:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:34:14Speaker 00

  Pudge, yeah.

• 2:34:14Speaker 05

  He didn't speak English.

• 2:34:15Speaker 00

  I didn't realize that part.

• 2:34:17Speaker 05

  That was a lot, that was like in 2017.

• 2:34:20Speaker 02

  It's a phone interview with his translator.

• 2:34:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:34:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:34:24Speaker 03

  Wasn't there one you guys? Just forgot.

• 2:34:27Speaker 00

  A million dollars worth of game.

• 2:34:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:34:29Speaker 00

  We just forgot to run. They came into the office. I think it was during football season. They came to the office. And then like three months later, we're like, wait a second. And then we're like, we can't fucking, you can't run an interview three months after.

• 2:34:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:34:42Speaker 05

  Snooki.

• 2:34:43Speaker 00

  So that was our fault.

• 2:34:44Speaker 02

  Snooki. Snooki and Stanford Steve.

• 2:34:47Speaker 03

  We need to have Snooki back.

• 2:34:48Speaker 00

  I want Snooki back on.

• 2:34:49Speaker 02

  We held.

• 2:34:50Speaker 00

  So bad.

• 2:34:51Speaker 05

  We held Snooki for like nine months.

• 2:34:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:34:53Speaker 03

  No, but then we dropped to Friday.

• 2:34:54Speaker 00

  We need so mad. We need to do it. It needs to be an, we tried this year. We actually, I like tried to get Snooki this year and I think she was sick or something, but we were going to run Friday March Madness, Stanford Steve Snooki and make it a tradition every year, tradition back on.

• 2:35:08Speaker 03

  I wanna, but I wanna ask her about the Friday slate.

• 2:35:11Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 2:35:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:35:12Speaker 00

  A hundred percent, a hundred percent.

• 2:35:14Speaker 05

  Uh, how many hours of sleep do you guys get during NFL season when it comes to show prep, interview prep, taping the shows, lives outside of work? I can't imagine it's more than six hours a night.

• 2:35:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, it depends night to night. You got some, like Max gets a lot of sleep on him. He makes up for it on Monday nights. Cause he doesn't watch the games.

• 2:35:31Speaker 03

  That's not true.

• 2:35:32Speaker 02

  But Thursdays are typically pretty late. Sundays typically pretty late. But outside of that, like Tuesdays, we typically don't go that late unless it's like a, a World Series game.

• 2:35:43Speaker 00

  I don't wanna make this sound like a complaint. Uh, I don't know the last time I got more than like six hours of sleep, but that's just also life, uh, currently both with football and my, my youngest is just, he's just decided to come in every morning or in the middle of the night. Every one of my kids has done this at, right around three years old. So, and Stella is now old and gets up in the middle of the night. So yeah, it's been a while since I've had like, I can't tell you the last time I felt really good. Waking up. Waking up is more like, okay, here we go again. Not a complaint, just a matter of someday, all my kids will be able to just sleep, then

• 2:36:24Speaker 00

  wake up, then get their own breakfast and I can just stay in bed till eight or nine o'clock. That day is not today and it won't be tomorrow either. And it won't be the day after that. But someday.

• 2:36:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, I usually get a good amount of sleep. I'll say early two times, early two times sometimes like it can be tough where it's like, yeah, you gotta get up at six to get to the course early. Like those, those days can be long days, but.

• 2:36:48Speaker 00

  The Sunday night, we're going to bed at 1:30, then having my son come in the room, middle night at like three o'clock, then waking up at 6:45. Those are the ones that kill me. But we good, we're good.

• 2:36:59Speaker 05

  Uh, some athletes have a pregame meal ritual or superstition. Do you guys have any pre podcast rituals? Can't press record until you've done something specific?

• 2:37:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:37:07Speaker 05

  Take a dump, played Wordle, change your socks. The people deserve to know you guys rock. Thank you, Megan.

• 2:37:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, we all pee.

• 2:37:13Speaker 03

  Sometimes the phases.

• 2:37:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:37:15Speaker 03

  We talked about the phases.

• 2:37:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. Phase one is we sit on the chairs outside the studio and we talk. Uh, phase two is someone says, you guys want a tape?

• 2:37:25Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:37:25Speaker 02

  And then we're like, yeah. And then we don't move. What's phase three? Phase three is Big Cat and Hank pee.

• 2:37:34Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:37:35Speaker 02

  Phase 3.1 is I pee.

• 2:37:40Speaker 00

  I'll say this.

• 2:37:40Speaker 02

  3.2 is, is Zach brings in waters.

• 2:37:43Speaker 00

  We're.

• 2:37:43Speaker 02

  And then one, either me or Big Cat's like, hey, can we have an energy drink?

• 2:37:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:37:46Speaker 02

  And then Zach gets that.

• 2:37:47Speaker 00

  We're basically the exact opposite of, uh, like late Mike and Mike or Mike and the Mad Dog. When you hear all those stories, how they would basically walk into the studio right before, sit down and that would be the first time they talked all day. We spend way too much time sitting around, talking, wasting time. But I do think there is something to be said for it. It's a lot of like pre-show, kinda catching up with each other, busting each other's balls. It's like almost a warm up to this. So there's, there's use to it. But yeah, we, we, we spend a lot of time doing absolutely nothing.

• 2:38:28Speaker 02

  Prep.

• 2:38:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, prep. A lot of our job is like The Sopranos sitting outside of the pork store. I'll just say it. It's awesome. I can't, I can't deny it's fucking awesome. It's just sitting outside the pork store with your friends.

• 2:38:41Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:38:41Speaker 00

  Just busting each other's balls.

• 2:38:43Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:38:44Speaker 00

  That's really a good part of our, Sunday night, speaking of sleep, like I do make bad decisions. We, I stayed an extra like 20 minutes after the show. We just were doing like a round circle on, uh, how bad the Chargers were to Shane's face. It was like, I should go home.

• 2:39:03Speaker 03

  That lasted an hour.

• 2:39:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was so bad.

• 2:39:05Speaker 03

  But you need that, especially.

• 2:39:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:39:07Speaker 03

  Like you're, you're tiptoeing around, going back into the house. Like.

• 2:39:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:39:11Speaker 03

  When, when we do a long show like that, you need a kind of a come down.

• 2:39:14Speaker 00

  You need the, yeah, you can't just go right to bed. Your brain is all wired and shit.

• 2:39:19Speaker 02

  But he also needed to know.

• 2:39:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:39:21Speaker 02

  We had to tell Shane.

• 2:39:22Speaker 00

  He was.

• 2:39:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, they never had, never had a true one receiver.

• 2:39:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:39:26Speaker 03

  Never in his.

• 2:39:26Speaker 02

  No, he twisted his words.

• 2:39:28Speaker 00

  Yeah. All right. Is that it?

• 2:39:29Speaker 05

  That's it.

• 2:39:29Speaker 00

  All right. Great show.

• 2:39:31Speaker 03

  Even know we're talking about.

• 2:39:32Speaker 00

  No, you don't. Numbers?

• 2:39:39Speaker 03

  11.

• 2:39:39Speaker 05

  19.

• 2:39:40Speaker 00

  29. 3.

• 2:39:42Speaker 03

  23.

• 2:39:43Speaker 02

  17.

• 2:39:45Speaker 00

  69. 15.

• 2:40:02Speaker 00

  Come on.

• 2:40:06Speaker 00

  Come on.

• 2:40:29Speaker 00

  94. Anyone?

• 2:40:31Speaker 03

  94.

• 2:40:31Speaker 02

  94.

• 2:40:34Speaker 00

  We had 94? One more. Just yelling out the numbers like a butcher shot. 94. We got 94, 95. Can I help 95? Then like the old lady's like, oh, I had 91.

• 2:40:51Speaker 03

  That's the worst.

• 2:40:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. Cuts in front of everyone. Bullshit.

• 2:41:00Speaker 00

  Oh. 2.

• 2:41:07Speaker 03

  No one? No one said 2.

• 2:41:08Speaker 00

  No.

• 2:41:09Speaker 03

  What did you say, Mims?

• 2:41:10Speaker 00

  He said 11.

• 2:41:11Speaker 03

  11. Jalen Bronson. Yes.

• 2:41:13Speaker 02

  Happy birthday to Carson Steele. Happy birthday, Joey Harrington. Happy birthday to Ricky Rubio, Judge Judy, Glenn Powell. Happy birthday on Thursday to Brian Branch, Heath Miller, Travion Henderson, Brad Stevens. Happy birthday to Bob Odenkirk, 21 Savage, Ichiro, Shaggy.

• 2:41:33Speaker 03

  Shane.

• 2:41:35Speaker 02

  Love you guys.