TV Nostalgia, Crustaceans Revisited & Moving To Mars

They said it couldn't be done (well they didn't say that, but still...), but Vogue & Joanne recorded this episode across a 14 hour time-difference, with Vogue in St. Bart's and Joanne in Melbourne, Australia. Joanne's literally just come off stage, Vogue's just finished breakfast. The vibes are different, but somehow it works. There are lies, TV comebacks, essential Caribbean shopping and a full, professional and detailed review (sure...) of the Nasa mission around the moon. If you’d like to get in touch, you can send an email to [email protected] mailto:[email protected] You can now watch FULL video episodes of My Therapist Ghosted Me! Visit www.youtube.com/@mtgmpod http://www.youtube.com/@mtgmpod and remember to subscribe! Please review Global's Privacy Policy:https://global.com/legal/privacy-policy/ For merch, tour dates and more visit:https://www.mytherapistghostedme.com/www.mytherapistghostedme.com http://www.mytherapistghostedme.com/

• 0:02Speaker 00

  This is a Global Player original podcast.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  I would be fanny fluttering back into the sack. I'd be done. I would never lie to you to your face, but I will lie to you via text message.

• 0:11Speaker 02

  The reason for my trip to St. Bart's is to buy another crustacean. So I have been looking at crabs. Yes.

• 0:20Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't understand others now. I work in crypto now. Scrap everything. We're moving to Mars. Joe, put in the to do's.

• 0:29Speaker 01

  Put in the to do's.

• 0:29Speaker 02

  We're off.

• 0:30Speaker 01

  We're off.

• 0:31Speaker 03

  Get my first tattoo.

• 0:32Speaker 02

  Please tell me it's not just something you saw yesterday on the internet.

• 0:35Speaker 03

  I saw it yesterday on the internet.

• 0:37Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 0:43Speaker 02

  Hello and welcome to My Therapist Ghosts With Me. This is probably the furthest apart we've ever recorded. Joanne is in Melbourne.

• 0:52Speaker 01

  Melbourne. Melbourne.

• 0:54Speaker 02

  Melbourne.

• 0:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:55Speaker 02

  Melbourne.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  With the, yeah.

• 0:57Speaker 02

  Heavily bricky.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  I say foggy nut, but you know, I can't bear an abbreviation of breakfast. When I say, Jo, have you ever been to Melbourne?

• 1:06Speaker 03

  I have only ever been to Sydney, Australia. Never Melbourne.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 1:11Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:12Speaker 02

  Sydney's stunning.

• 1:13Speaker 01

  So mainstream.

• 1:15Speaker 03

  For the people of Sydney.

• 1:16Speaker 01

  So mainstream.

• 1:17Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:18Speaker 01

  It's all about Melbourne. The food, like when I, I remember the first time I went to America, I thought I was going to be like, the food was going to be off the charts and it wasn't. It was just normal food, like normal, regular food.

• 1:30Speaker 03

  No offence.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  The food, no offence, the Americans, obviously, joanne mcnair.com, full tour, September, October. But

• 1:39Speaker 01

  the food in Melbourne is off. Do you remember it? The sandwiches are like works of art. Like I cannot get over it. It is insane. The food is fucking insane.

• 1:51Speaker 02

  The coffee is shocking. It's so good. I just don't understand.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  There's a lot of talk about the coffee now. I'll be honest. I like a, I like an Azera. I like to just power through my, my, I like a dried Nescafe. So the coffee's kind of wasted on me. But there's a, there's a restaurant down the road because, because I, because of the way I operate. And like loads, loads of people are the same. If I like something, I like it and I'll just go back and back and back again and again and again, like a, like a rat up a drainpipe. And there's a restaurant that I went to originally called Juno's.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  So I've now been back to Juno's every day for the last four point five days. And it is.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  Why break it?

• 2:31Speaker 01

  Why?

• 2:31Speaker 02

  If it's not, if it's not broken, don't fix it. Keep going.

• 2:34Speaker 01

  I go in, I'm like, hey, Helen, how you doing? I'm in.

• 2:37Speaker 02

  Remember you did that, you did that in, in, um, in South Africa as well. I just feel like if you find somewhere good. Now, maybe not the intensity that you do, but I assume you're working your way through the menu. I assume there has been more than a chicken salad, just.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, poached chicken, Asian greens and a, and a gin martini every day. Poached chicken, Asian greens. Helen, hi Helen.

• 2:59Speaker 02

  Ooh, a gin martini. Is that that disgusting drink that's usually got vodka and the olives in it? And then it's now it's gin. Oh, I'd die if I had to drink one of them.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  Vogue, just because, just because you don't have a developed palate.

• 3:12Speaker 02

  Oh, Joanne, that is like putting petrol on a tongue. I have never, it's like.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  You could light a match and it would go up.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I want to drink a Jo Malone triple with candle. I want to feel the fucking burn.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  Oh God, that'll, do you know what? That's probably why you're never sick. There's no way anything is getting inside that throat of yours.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Cause I'm always sick. Yeah, exactly.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  So I'm never sick because I'm, because I'm all, exactly. I have no tonsils. I shrank them.

• 3:39Speaker 01

  I burnt them off. It's gas. It's hilarious. Yeah.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  So what else have you been doing in Melbourne?

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Well, the tour started today. Also, can I just say, I did that thing that I tend to do where I forget that I'm actually, I have a job that I have to sell tickets and I just rock out to Australia and I'm like chilling by the pool, drinking my little glasses of petrol and then, and then Alana, the promoter texts me going, you know, you still have like 400 tickets to sell in Australia. I was like, shit, I totally forgot. Sydney, Perth, extra dates, additional websites, drummclay.com. Went to, so the first, the opening night of, um, the Aussie tour tonight in Melbourne, in the comedy theatre. Now, the clock, the clock broke on the, sorry, Joanne, in the words of David Beckham, be honest. The clock didn't break. I just stopped looking at it.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  You broke.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  Guess how long?

• 4:36Speaker 02

  Hour forty.

• 4:39Speaker 01

  How the fuck did you know that?

• 4:44Speaker 02

  Because I can guess, I can guess where you'll go to. I just, I honestly know you so well now that I'm not, I could just, I just know. Because you probably, you'll, you, you wouldn't be able to do more than an hour forty because you wouldn't, well, you probably would.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  I tell you, good. An hour, I can't, so I, I, I, I lost track of the clock and then I wasn't sure and then it just didn't make any sense to me anymore. So I just stopped looking at it.

• 5:08Speaker 02

  Did you, hang on, did you tell us a lie?

• 5:11Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah, yeah.

• 5:12Speaker 03

  I've just realised the same thing.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  You had told us.

• 5:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did tell you a lie and I, but I'm going to correct it now. I had to tell you a lie. I had to tell you a lie, Vogue.

• 5:21Speaker 03

  Hang on, just for context, I'll just read the message because she said, oh, I'll just come off stage. She said, I'm sorry, the whole festival is running over.

• 5:30Speaker 02

  And then she tries to come on here and say the clock broke. She tried to blame the clock.

• 5:36Speaker 01

  Nice. It was I, it was I, I ran over, I ran over and I'm saying that now because I'm looking you in the eye and I would never lie to you to your face, but I will lie to you via text message. But I ran over an hour and forty. I came off stage. I could sense an unease in the room and I was like, what's going on? And then Alana, my, so Bea and I were the promoter and with her partner, Joel, he's really, really, really tall. And I saw him get up and leave and I was like, oh, excuse me, Joel.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  Fucking rude. But Alana told me after she was like, our babysitter Ryan going like, I have to go home. Like I'm, I have my own kids to raise. Joel was like, I have to leave. Came off stage. Kylie, my tour manager, who, you know, because she was our tour manager. She was like, an hour four, hold on, can I do the Aussie accent?

• 6:21Speaker 03

  An hour four, no.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Babe, you did an hour forty. And everyone's looking at me going, because I'm the last, because I'm the last show in the venue, I, I'm, I do have a little bit of wiggle room. Anyway, a huge apology to everyone.

• 6:35Speaker 03

  For context, how long was it supposed to be?

• 6:37Speaker 02

  Hang on a second. It's an hour, no, no, you usually do an hour fifteen. You did an hour fifteen when I was there. I think is perfect timing. I also think giving people an hour forty, I don't think it's something to apologize for. You say, you're welcome. That was your tip.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  So, yeah, it's, it's a funny one. Like if I was in the audience, I'd be fuming.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  Well, John, if I was you.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  I lost control, I lost control of time and space, I lost control. And I'm sorry, but I had a ball.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  Also, for context, you were coming off stage, then that meant at 11pm. So we're recording this after your show, it is now quarter to midnight in Melbourne. So you, yeah, people.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  Melbourne, it's Melbourne, Joe, just so you don't make a show yourself. Melbourne, yeah, it's Melbourne. No, it's okay.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  Can you imagine how furious I'd be if I was sitting there and a show went on till 11 o'clock at night? I'd be like, who the fuck does this person think they are?

• 7:30Speaker 01

  Vogue, let's not, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, Vogue. Let's not pretend you would sit there. You would have the engine running, yeah, out the front, G2, you'd be on the e-scooter and you'd be fucking gone.

• 7:42Speaker 02

  I'd only have seen 40 minutes. Do you know what you should do though? Because I think people should be grateful because you flew to Australia. What you should do is you should, you should, you should email each ticket holder.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  It's a charity job, basically. I'm not out here for the good of my health. I'm out here to donate my services to Australia for free.

• 8:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you should email each of those ticket holders and say, sorry about the kerfuffle there, but I did stay on stage an extra 40 minutes. So if you wouldn't mind, I'm going to send you a payment link for an additional $40.

• 8:14Speaker 01

  I'll do a Vogue apology where I email Evan and be like, sorry that I did an amazing thing for you. And I will wait to see your feedback, what you say to me in a positive format.

• 8:28Speaker 02

  I would like, I would like a few more, Bob, please. Thank you very much.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  Anyway, look, lessons have been learned. Tomorrow night, the clock will be working and I won't, I won't lose the run of myself in the same way.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  That bloody clock, that bloody clock, honestly. Come here to me, I want to talk about Easter. Easter's turning into a thing again, I feel. Now time for. I, I, I'm kind of getting more and more into Easter. Spenny was talking to these people. We were down at the hotel the other day. And he's talking and he goes, what even is Easter? Like, I, I know there's Santa Claus, but what about the Easter bunny? And they were Catholics and they were like.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  Not again. He, sorry. He does this all, every fucking Easter Spencer asks what Easter is. I, we can't keep explaining this shit to him.

• 9:12Speaker 02

  They were like, it's the resurrection of Christ. And he was like, oh, so there's actually something behind it. Well, where did the bunny come from? And I'm like, well, where the fuck did Santa come from? I was like, Spenny, the bunny is just a thing, but we had this thing in our house where, cause we were over here and James and Brian, our friends are here and their son Cosmo. And I was like, are we doing the Easter bunny? Is the Easter bunny like, is that a thing for kids now? Cause like, obviously every, all the other things make sense. But I was like, I just, I remember growing up and thinking there was an Easter bunny, this giant massive bunny with like really short teeth. He was gonna scare me, yellow eyes and stuff. He was coming dropping off eggs.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  It sounds like Danny, Danny Darko. Do you remember him?

• 9:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. That's kind of what I, but like bigger, bigger, more bunny body.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:57Speaker 02

  But like, but then I kind of was like, okay, we're doing it. I suppose that we're, we're doing Easter. Easter is now a thing. So we did do Easter and they loved, and we did the Easter egg hunt.

• 10:06Speaker 01

  I know you so well. That's just you trying to get your step count in under the guise of parenting.

• 10:10Speaker 02

  Oh my God, they absolutely, no, they absolutely.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  I know you. She had a 5am with the resistance bands saying she's on, she's looking for Easter eggs. She's not, she's trying to build an arse. I know you so well.

• 10:21Speaker 02

  She, she wouldn't even get involved. I was like, come on, Gigi. She was in the pool. She was like, no, I'm not doing it. I said, Gigi, we're all going in. I have a little basket for you to go out and collect the eggs. She didn't want to get involved because she said she's not good at it and everybody will get more eggs than her. So she just didn't want to get involved at all.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  She's a woman out of my own heart. I'm the same. If I feel I'm not going to excel, I've no fucking time for it. And I have actually noticed watching your stories recently, she is getting a little lazy. Even I've noticed that.

• 10:45Speaker 02

  She just sits there and colours, that's, that's what Gigi does.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's gonna be an artist, so just let her be.

• 10:51Speaker 02

  She won't get in the pool because I won't let her wear a bikini. So every day we have bikini

• 10:55Speaker 01

  What?

• 10:55Speaker 02

  Where, yeah, where I bring her, because she has one bikini, she's allowed to wear it home. In the pool, which has now made itself its way down to the beach, because I just couldn't handle the wars anymore. Because she only wants to wear a bikini. I'm like, Gigi, you're five, you're wearing swimsuits, you're not just getting to wear bikinis. Because I want her arms and stuff covered up from the sun. So we have full wars about like, and I mean, that girl can hold out. She's like, I'm not going swimming today. And she will not go swimming.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  Can she hold out, folk? That's gas. I wonder where that, I wonder where she got that from.

• 11:25Speaker 02

  I've no idea.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  Wonder where she got the stubborn mule, stubborn mule in a bikini. Where did that aesthetic come from? That's mad. That is mad. Easter to me growing up was Lent, obviously, huge thing. Um, Ash Wednesday, you look like you got shot in the head for 24 hours, Jo. I don't know if you do that in your land. We go and kind of roll around. A priest just kind of dumps an ashtray in our forehead for the day. And then everyone kind of smugly walks around being like, I went to mass, I'm better than you, ha ha. And then Lent kicks off. And obviously, my mother was like, give up chocolates, give up sweets. Because it was the eighties, so your mother was like, you're fat, right? So then everyone gets their sweets and sugars.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  And then all my uncles and aunties, every time they visit, they bring sweets and sugars. And then we put them all in a huge biscuit tin and we save them for Lent, for, sorry, for Easter Sunday. And then Easter Sunday, 6am, I'm down, I'm in the tin. It's feral, there's fucking Turkish delight wrappers. I had mountains of shit to get through before I could even get to the egg in a whisper cup. And they all came with a whisper cup, they came in a cup. So ate the whole tin, whole tin, and then I'd vomit everywhere. Because I would eat like nine Turkish delights, seven whispers, a couple of moral bars, marathons, as they were called in my day, Jo. Um, and it was just absolute carnage chaos. It was fucking a mess. And then you start your eggs.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then your mum would dress you up and put you in a little dress and drive you to your auntie Breeds. And then you'd eat more chocolate, more sweets. And then you'd pass out at about 9pm. And then you'd get up and you think you're allergic to pineapple because you had a piece of pineapple at about 8.30pm the night before. And you got sick and then you blamed the pineapple.

• 13:16Speaker 02

  Hey, I'm Vogue Williams.

• 13:18Speaker 04

  And I'm Amber Wilson.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  And you know what? Without sounding big head, I think you'd love our podcast Vogue and Amber, where we chat through all the top stories of the week.

• 13:27Speaker 04

  We play a few games.

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  And we laugh. We laugh a lot.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  Mainly at each other.

• 13:34Speaker 04

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• 13:45Speaker 02

  We've got a bit of nostalgia stuff going on this year. Hannah Montana, 20 Year Reunion aired. There was also a 13 Going on 30 reboot that's been announced. There's a new Harry Potter TV series that's been dropped. The Devil Wears Prada 2 is out soon. Buffy, well, it was going to have a reboot.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, that got full. So I just know what happened there. She won. She's not fucking happy. Sarah Michelle.

• 14:08Speaker 02

  I think it's, is it because the, I think someone died, your man died from the cast. Yeah.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  He passed away and it was actually really sweet. She did this lovely post about the fact that he'd said to her once, it's very hard being like near to the limelight but not in the limelight. And she was like, you were always in the limelight for me. It was kind of, it was quite sad. I know, I know. But.

• 14:33Speaker 02

  It's like Phoebe, do you see what Phoebe from Friends came out and said? She said that no one cared about her on the set of Friends. She was like the sixth round.

• 14:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. He said her agents were like, whatever. She was just delighted to be on Friends. Like, there was no, there was no strategy for her career. But I also think it's as tale as old as time that most people on our side, like we give out about agents, you know, we're always kind of saying they don't do anything. And they do do more than we think they do. But yeah, Lisa Cutter was kind of in a way, at the moment, again, like a massive resurgence. Her show, the comeback apparently is really, really good. I think that's the third series and she's remaking Romeo and Michelle. Joe, is that right?

• 15:13Speaker 02

  I loved Romeo and Michelle.

• 15:14Speaker 01

  I'm pretty sure they're making a reboot of that.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  Romeo and Michelle's High School Reunion, are you sure?

• 15:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  Do you know what I'd love? I'd love another Clueless. Imagine we've got a Clueless 2 or Full House or, remember Full House?

• 15:28Speaker 01

  Do you know what I would love?

• 15:30Speaker 02

  What? Save the Last Dance?

• 15:32Speaker 01

  Pugwall or Round the Twist.

• 15:35Speaker 02

  Oh, Round the Twist was so good, wasn't it?

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Have you ever, ever felt like this? When things happen and you go and round the twist?

• 15:41Speaker 02

  Round the Twist.

• 15:42Speaker 01

  Jo, you're too young for this.

• 15:44Speaker 03

  I think I am.

• 15:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, Round the Twist was this weird, it was like, it's like a child version of Black Mirror. I remember one episode, there, one of the girls, she wouldn't take her clothes off in the gym, and then it turned out she had fingernails all over her body.

• 15:58Speaker 02

  Oh my god, ew, yeah, I remember. It was such a weird show.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  It was, it was, it was dark. It was like, it was Black Mirror. It was like a dystopian, it was a dystopian TV show for kids.

• 16:09Speaker 02

  I'm loving all the nostalgia though, I have to say.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  We were more hardcore, Jo, you're triggered. We were fucking leaning in to the drama and the violence of it all.

• 16:17Speaker 03

  We didn't know we were born.

• 16:18Speaker 01

  You didn't know you were born. Okay, here we go. It was an Australian show, Round the Twist. Um, Australians, children's comedy drama. Now, when I say this was so dark, like the fact that they're describing as a children's comedy drama, there was like, kids were like, do you remember the episode where the woman, the girl wouldn't get into the pool? And then it turned out she was a mermaid. Do you remember all this?

• 16:44Speaker 02

  Oh my god, but it was so good for us. Like, growing up when you're younger, you're like fascinated by that kind of bullshit.

• 16:50Speaker 01

  It was dark and strange. The programme follows the supernatural adventures of the Twist family. Oh yeah, they used to live in a lighthouse, do you remember? Who leave their conventional residence to live in a lighthouse in the fictional coastal town of Port Noranda.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  You should watch one now and tell us what it's like. I bet you it's such a load of shit.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  I'll never forget the fingernails. Like, it was, I'll never forget the fingernails. I'll never forget it. And they were growing out of her body and all. Speaking of nostalgia, and such a great point, folk, Hilary Duff.

• 17:20Speaker 02

  I know, do you know what? I have to be honest, I never really got Hilary Duff at the start. I'm not really getting her now.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  Neither did I. I, and I, yeah, I wasn't.

• 17:29Speaker 02

  Huge fanbase though.

• 17:31Speaker 01

  Huge. I think we're a little, like, we're more kind of Round the Twist vibes, whereas there's a generation below us, I would say, that are very, like Disney kind of focused.

• 17:40Speaker 02

  Well, that's the Hannah Montana kind of vibe, and that's, that's, that's a 20 year reunion. So we were like, like I was 20 then, I was too old to be watching Hannah Montana. You'd be worried if I was watching Hannah Montana at 20.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  Well, I would, yeah. I, I, I would, yeah.

• 17:55Speaker 01

  Guess what I'm doing on Saturday?

• 17:57Speaker 02

  What are you doing on Saturday?

• 17:58Speaker 01

  Getting my first tattoo.

• 18:00Speaker 02

  Oh God, please no. I'm sorry. I just, Spenny's on that buzz too. And I have to say to Spenny, do you know, you're an adult. Do whatever you want. I can't fight anymore about it. What are you getting? Where is it happening? What's it got to do with? Have you actually put any thought into it? Please tell me it's not just something you saw yesterday on the internet.

• 18:20Speaker 01

  I saw it yesterday on the internet.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 18:24Speaker 02

  What is this, what is this work of art going to be? Is it going to be similar to a Ben Affleck back tattoo? Or are we going a little smaller?

• 18:33Speaker 01

  It's your family's faces.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  All across my buttocks.

• 18:41Speaker 02

  Have you and Spencer been in contact? Cause he seems to think that's the way he can have a tattoo. He's like, I'm gonna start with a Vogue. I'm like, that's disgusting. I don't even like winning.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  He's trying to get you to agree for him to get like a fucking snake tramp stamp. He's like, if I indulge her ego and just get a little Vogue tat at the start.

• 19:01Speaker 02

  Oh, do you know what? One of my exes, the one that people will know, he got, we were like, we were mid-argument. We were mid-argument and he came back and I was getting my hair done. And he came back into the hairdressers and he had gotten our wedding date tattooed across his wrist. And if you look at that same wrist now, it has been replaced with a Batman tattoo with a Batman logo. And I don't really remember ever knowing he was into Batman. I was like, whoa, we've really fallen out.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  I am so, well, I mean, you are divorced. Like, I mean, if he still had the date, like, I can see why.

• 19:39Speaker 02

  It's still there. It's still under there. It's there for life.

• 19:43Speaker 01

  I'm such a simpleton that if I had a fight with a lad and he came back and he had like a tattoo of anything to do with me, I would be fanny fluttering back into the sack. I'd be done. I'm so pathetic.

• 19:54Speaker 02

  She mightn't make, she'll miss the appointment. It's fine. She'll miss the appointment.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  I won't, I won't actually.

• 19:59Speaker 02

  See you there.

• 20:00Speaker 01

  I've set an alarm.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  For Saturday at 11.

• 20:05Speaker 01

  Set an alarm for Saturday.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  Tell us, what are you getting? What are you getting?

• 20:08Speaker 01

  I'm getting Fungi the Dolphin. It's like a chest piece.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  Okay, fantastic. Yeah, that actually, do you know what? If you include a bit of seaweed, I love it. Je dois.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  It's good, isn't it? Je dois. That's a stylish, classic, timeless piece.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  I'm getting, I'm getting bliss written in a deadly font across my kneecap.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  Vogue, sorry, for the listeners, I want you to know Vogue is holding her face in her hands. Sorry Vogue, I can't help, I'm.

• 20:43Speaker 02

  Have you ever heard her use the word bliss? Have you ever heard her say it once? Has she said bliss once in the whole five years?

• 20:51Speaker 01

  It's a new word for me, so I'm excited to get a tattooed on my body.

• 20:54Speaker 02

  I think I saw it on someone's kitchen wall once.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm getting live, laugh, love.

• 21:00Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  Tattooed across my labia bone and I've no regrets.

• 21:06Speaker 02

  Why don't you get live, laugh on your fingers? So knuckles, like knuckle dusters, live, laugh. And then he could do love on your forehead.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  That's tacky Vogue.

• 21:16Speaker 02

  Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Why your knee?

• 21:20Speaker 02

  Joe, I haven't, I don't know, I just booked in, I had to tick a box, it said knee. I thought you didn't like your knees. I don't, exactly, exactly. It's that or get a face drop. You're drawing attention to your knees.

• 21:30Speaker 01

  So it's above, I'm going to show you now. Yeah. So this, I'm not sure what this part of the legging is, but.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  I'm telling Pat, I'm telling Pat. Before you do it, I'm telling her. No, don't, don't, don't do that. I can't tell Pat. Don't do that.

• 21:47Speaker 01

  You know she'll fly over and be really embarrassing and she'll drag me out by my hair. Don't do that.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  Sorry, I'm telling Pat.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  I can see Pat, like, at least get your password number tattooed on you, something worth, I can see her. Kind of like trying to turn into like a functional exercise. So the bit, the bit above the knee, Joe, what's that called? The top legging.

• 22:07Speaker 02

  Your thigh. Bottom of your thigh, yeah.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  Well, that's where it's going and it's stunning. And do you know who has it? Kylie has it, my Australian tour manager.

• 22:17Speaker 02

  Kylie has tattoos all over her whole entire body by the way, so that would make sense.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  She does.

• 22:22Speaker 02

  That she has now ended up with a bliss above her knee because she ran out of things to write.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  She is tatted to like to the, she is top to bottom tatted. But her bliss tattoo, and we discussed it, and we've been discussing it for a while. I enjoy the philosophy of it. I enjoy the kind of tapping out of like, it's kind of good energy and I like the font. And I like, I think my legs are a little bald and I want to add a little pizzazz.

• 22:46Speaker 02

  Okay, well, we are, I don't know about you Jo, but I am very excited.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  I look forward to seeing your face on Spencer's ass cheek and my bliss on my leggy.

• 22:55Speaker 02

  She'll miss the appointment, I'm pretty sure, but I'm also gonna text Pat, so that's probably not gonna happen.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  Please don't text her, please don't.

• 23:08Speaker 02

  So you know the way that there's all, like, sometimes, I don't know if anyone else does it, sometimes I'll go into a designer shop, literally just to go, stop. Seriously. Like, if I go into Hermes, for instance, and they're selling a surfboard.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  It's not Hermes.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  Hermes.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  Oh my god, you're in St Bart's too long, I don't like this, I don't like this at all.

• 23:31Speaker 02

  Sorry, James and I, because I called Jack, Jack, Jackamoose, Jaquimus, once, and he just, and then he started bringing up that you said Gavinci.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  We love James, he is a violent, aggressive snob, leave that in, Jo. Go on, Val.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  Anyway, so like, I go into some of those shops, they're really expensive, unlike, I mean, Hermes, selling a surfboard for 25 grand.

• 23:54Speaker 01

  It's fucking obnoxious.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  So, Italian prosecutors uncover that Dior pays $57 to produce the bags that retail for $2,780, which is a markup of 4,800%. And there, there's gonna be an investigation into them because there's a broader probe into labour exploitation. So that some of the workers, the subcontractors who Dior use, are paid as little as $2 an hour.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Sorry, that is immoral.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  I mean, it's not like this is news to anyone, but like, it is immoral.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  It's absolutely, sorry, do you know what else is immoral? Do you remember when Valencia Agat were selling a roll of sticky tape, just sticky tape, for £3,500? And then they had that crisp packet, which was an empty packet of crisps, £1,490, £1,490, sorry, I don't know why I said it like that. And those rotten crocks that you sent in were £690.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  No, I do like the crocks.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  Oh God, no, you actually didn't like this.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  Can I interrupt you, Vogue? Do you mind me asking you, how much was the lobster that you have mounted and framed in your, remember the lobster you flew back from St Bart's?

• 25:00Speaker 02

  Oh, my lobster. It's, well, it was actually a gift to Spencer for his birthday, so I wouldn't have a nap. I wouldn't have a birdie's notion.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  It's the size of a five-year-old child, this lobster.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  It's still a fucking lobster from the sea. It's not a, it's not a golden lobster. It's an actual lobster shell.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  It's a pawo lobster. It's the size of a, of a, it's the size of a five-year-old child.

• 25:21Speaker 03

  At the end of this month, it's going to be the five-year anniversary of the lobster.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  And you know what's nice? I'm actually, that's why I've come to St Bart's to celebrate the lobster, because this is where he came from. So I'm now going to the shop.

• 25:35Speaker 01

  Did you bring him or is, he's still in the basement in the, in a glass box?

• 25:38Speaker 02

  He's actually in storage with Kevin, Kevin Carey, because I didn't want him to get smashed in the house. And I'm over here now, and the reason for my trip to St Bart's is to buy another crustacean. So I have been looking at crabs. Yes.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  I am buying a crab friend for the lobster, and I'm gonna buy you crabs for your birthday.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  You're like if Paris Hilton rowed David Attenborough and then like some sort of toxic creature was born, where you're like, got tons of cash, but you also care about the environment.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  Do you, sorry, do you not remember I tried to buy a flamingo and I was on to this girl? And she had a flamingo ready, like one, a frozen one. And she was getting ready to get him all sorted, but he just wasn't pink enough for me, so I didn't end up buying him. And then I felt like if I start buying flamingos.

• 26:33Speaker 01

  Where does that end? No, I'm sorry, Nair, where does that end?

• 26:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. Spenny's pheasant is gonna come back down from. I've gotten rid of it up to Scotland. He'll be like the first pheasant he ever shot will be coming back down to our house. And I don't, it's not as pretty as a lobster. The lobster is a beautiful piece of horse. I do know how much it was, but Spenny's mum bought it for, for him and she will have gotten a discount in that shop. Sorry, back to Dior. That's what I was talking about. Do you want, excuse me? So do you know the way like, and you go and you buy your fake bags sometimes and they're, they're not a bad price. But fake bags are quite expensive, even the ones that you got in Morocco. Anyway.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 27:08Speaker 02

  Dior.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  I bought my Louis Vuitton and I thought I was gonna get it all for a tenner. And your man was charging me. I was like, are you fucking joking me? He's like, genuine fags. And I was like, yeah, okay, okay, calm, calm, calm. But like, you're charging me like a shit ton of, I, I thought they were basically gonna be free. But apparently the bag, the brands are in on the business.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  Well, supposedly the genuine fakes that you buy are coming from the factory that the bags are made in. God knows if it's that, but I always think, right, if you're gonna buy, if you, if you buy a bag, like, I don't feel like I need the brand name on the bag. I'd rather buy a nice bag that's actually good quality leather that, that looks nice, rather than spending like five grand on a Chanel bag. But listen to this. So Dior.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  I can't.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Joanne, a minimum in Chanel, and they all sell out, but Dior bags are like, like, if you ever go into Dior, it's, it's honestly like they're taking the piss out of you.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  Sorry, I think they're, I think, I think they're mentally ill.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  Guess how much it was found, a Christian Dior bag that they're selling for three grand is. Guess how much they paid for the three grand bag? Fifty seven dollars.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  You didn't even let me, you didn't even let me guess, Vogue. That's the worst game ever.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  It was, it was a rhetorical question.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  I was gonna measure it up against the, the price of a boxed crustacean in your basement to be like.

• 28:28Speaker 02

  Okay, Jo, Jo, cut that bit out. Guess how much a Dior bag.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  No, leave that in, Jo.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  Actually costs.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  I want people to know what I'm dealing with.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's gonna be a very difficult edit, so I think the whole thing is staying.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  Know what I'm dealing with.

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Guess, John, go on, I dare you, guess.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  Fifty seven euro.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  You, so close, it was dollars, dollars, nearly had it.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't understand dollars, no. I work in crypto now.

• 28:55Speaker 02

  Dollars is like, I don't know, like, what, forty eight euro or something, just a little bit less.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  A tenner, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  But I think someone's bringing them to, to, to court over the fact that their, their markup is so ridiculous. That they're, it's like, you're selling a bag for three grand, but you're paying fifty seven dollars for it.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  It is.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  I won't even go in there to sneer at the bags anymore. I'm not going in.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  It's obnoxious. Now, I.

• 29:18Speaker 02

  I decided.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  I have to be very careful how I speak about this, considering I do actually own a bag business. I hate handbags. No, I, I, what I mean is, I don't understand. Would you not be nervous walking around holding like ten grand in your hand?

• 29:34Speaker 02

  You can't walk around London with a Birkin because somebody is going to rip it out of your hand.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  It's literally like walking around with a wad of cash, just like free flowing in the air. Like, I don't get it.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  I know it's terrible, but like, I, I always, I just think, I'd rather have the money. I'd rather the cash.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  I think it's so impressive getting a good fake. Like, I, I, like, I got a, I have a fake Louis.

• 29:57Speaker 02

  But why do you want a fake? You just want a nice bag.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  I don't know. I don't know. Because I don't care. I bought a fake Louis Fouton in, uh, Grand Canal, uh, Canal Street in New York. And it's hilarious. So Hannah Berner, Des Bishop's wife, Hannah, who, you know, uh, brought me down. She was like, come on, we go shopping down in, in the fake bag street. And I was like, oh my God, buzzing. And do you know the way it's all new to you and it's so exciting and thrilling and it's like, you kind of feel like you're, you're, you're in a cartel. Like you're one of the Kinahans. You're like in the mix, you know, in the, one of these kind of like Asian triads. Like you're in the kind of, in the trenches. And the women come up and they're like, fake bag, fake bag. And they have these kind of, um, list of stuff that's kind of been cellophaneed.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  And it's all very, very cloak and dagger, right? And I'm buzzing because I'm, I'm illegal, but I'm, I'm legal and like, and then you're one, show me. And then this policeman came over and I was like, hands up, hands up. Because I was like, oh, I'm done. I'm buying genuine fakes. I'm, I'm, he knows I'm buying a Louis Fouton. And then he chose a bag for his partner or whatever. So they're all in on it.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  They're all in on it and the boss buying that bag is way more exciting than going into an actual shop and just paying money for it. I'd rather be dragged down an alleyway and like, I just, I just prefer the drama of the fake purchase.

• 31:25Speaker 02

  I, yeah, but you get where I'm coming from. I'd rather just not have a, I'd rather not have the brand. Like I don't want a fake. I just don't want, I'd rather just have a bag from Topshop or a bag from Revlon than having the actual fake because I just feel like I don't, I don't really, I don't, I just don't, I don't care that much about, about labels.

• 31:46Speaker 01

  No, of course you don't. No. You've got your crustaceans.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  My new thing is whatever.

• 31:53Speaker 01

  You're like, have you met my, have you met my Prada flamingo box in the basement? I don't like, don't like labels now, but that one is Gucci.

• 32:02Speaker 02

  Whenever I go into a shop, my new, like this is my new toxic trait that I just do. I go into a shop, right? And I'm like, God, that's a lovely Missoni dress. I leave the shop and I go straight on to Vinted and I'm like, look, 80 quid, Vinted, 80 quid. I can't, I don't know if I'll ever be able to buy something in a shop again without checking Vinted first. Even with that Frankie Shop jacket, I was like, I'm gonna get this fur jacket from Frankie Shop. And I was like, you know what? I'm not. I'm gonna wait till next year because that'll definitely be on Vinted next year. I can't.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Can we talk about this, sorry, Artemis 2, Space?

• 32:44Speaker 01

  Space.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  Space is so interesting. They-

• 32:50Speaker 01

  Space is huge right now. Okay. It's huge. Space is back. It's back.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  I can see the stars.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  It's colots, it's skinny jeans, it's Juicy Couture, it's been, it's Van Duch, it's happening.

• 33:02Speaker 02

  I, it's, I mean, I just feel like Space never went away, but it's really having, I think-

• 33:07Speaker 01

  Because you've got, because you've got your finger on the pulse. For laypeople like me and Joe, Space did go away and now it's back.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  Sorry, but it's, guys, it didn't. Katy Perry brought it back to us. Katy Perry brought-

• 33:16Speaker 01

  She dabbled, she dabbled.

• 33:17Speaker 02

  Poor girl.

• 33:20Speaker 01

  She da- she went in a lift.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  She got everyone talking about space again, not in a good way, but she.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  You're right, she raised awareness, she raised awareness.

• 33:29Speaker 02

  So they, there has been a, a little group of astronauts, everyone wants to be an astronaut now, by the way, I have no interest. I will never dip my toe in that field, I never want to be an astronaut, I don't want to go to space, I don't want to leave the atmosphere, I bought an.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  Don't want to leave the atmosphere, it's not our vibe.

• 33:44Speaker 02

  No, I don't want to.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  Happy, this atmosphere suits us down to the ground.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  Down to the ground, I enjoy gravity, I just like being down here and I have an app that I can see the stars and I can see what's going on up there, I saw the Milky Way yesterday, so I'm happy.

• 33:58Speaker 01

  Very dehydrating, I would say, I mean, I like a, but a Panthen on a long haul, I don't know how much Panthen I'd need to break the atmosphere and go to space. I'm not, I'm not willing to do it.

• 34:09Speaker 02

  You age slower in space, I was looking up some really brilliant space facts that we love, you age, yeah.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  Scrap everything, we're moving to Mars, Joe, put in, put in the to do's. Put in the to do's, Joe, we're off.

• 34:21Speaker 02

  So it's the biggest news story of the week, and it's the Artemis two space mission where astronauts are going to fly around the whole moon. So that we have never actually seen the back of the moon that is not lit because the sun never hits it, so God knows what's happening back there.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Tram stamp.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  No, we've never seen it, there might be a bliss written at the back, bliss written at the back.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Tram stamp, tram stamp, funky, funky the dolphin, full blown tram stamp, tram stamp, hold on, I've been a little bit absent, um, because I'm focusing on myself right now, but. I've seen a lot of talk about a flyby, so my understanding is they're not planning to land or kind of set foot, they're just doing a kind of a drive by of. Mars or the moon, where are they going?

• 35:10Speaker 02

  The moon, the moon, they're having, we, we have not, we, we haven't got the capacity to reach Mars just yet, but not saying.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  I heard we have, I heard we can refuel now on the moon because there's water there.

• 35:20Speaker 02

  That's what, that's what this mission is for, they're going to turn the moon into a service station. And stop off there.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  An apple green, an apple green.

• 35:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, quick Starbucks and then on to, on to Mars.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  I do, I do love an apple green.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  I enjoy, maybe we could do that, what's that Barack Obama Plaza, I could go up there because

• 35:39Speaker 01

  Stunning.

• 35:40Speaker 02

  Good breakfast in the morning.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd go to, I'd go to the moon if I could get a nice hash brown.

• 35:45Speaker 02

  Do you know the moon, supposedly space smells like steak.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  What?

• 35:50Speaker 02

  That sounds, sounds, yeah, it sounds expensive. Smells like steak is what I've been reading.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  I was kind of hoping for something a bit more affluent, like kind of Tommy, Tommy girl.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  Tommy girl, that's like 20 quid in the airport now.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  Surely, come on, something, something space based.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  I thought you were talking about something expensive. I'm like, Tommy girl's not expensive anymore. Steak is expensive.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  Well, when I was a publicist, I worked on the links account and the fact that links Apollo haven't involved themselves in smelling, stinking up space is frankly a shambles on the part of their PR team and everyone.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  I don't know, I don't know if they could afford it. Okay, the astron, the astronauts that have gone up, there's four of them. It's a 10 day mission. They're gonna go around the moon and back. They're not stopping.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  What's the rush?

• 36:43Speaker 02

  Well, they're just having a little look. So there's the first woman has gone to space in 50 years, but sorry, Katy Perry.

• 36:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, excuse me, Katy Perry broke the atmosphere. And do you remember the last time they sent a woman to space for a day or they gave her 60 billion tampons? Do you remember that? Cause she was like, I might come on, like, Joe, do you remember this? The lads packed her lunch. The lads packed her lunchbox and it was very much like when your fella packs your overnight bag when you're about to give birth and puts a load of lingerie and stockings in it. They packed, Google it there, Joe, Google it there, fact check me there.

• 37:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, do you know what's, do you know what's been happening up there on Artemis? Supposedly the toilet was blocked like straight away because the spaceship was facing, there was no sunlight basically hitting the spaceship at one point. So everything froze and they blocked the toilet. So then they had to re, they had to turn the spaceship around a little bit so that it could face the sun and it could melt what was in the toilet and then unblock it.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  Now Vogue, you know, I.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, I, please, please, please. I love and respect you. However, I did spend a year fully believing that a woman was stabbed to death by a frozen shaft of urine from an airplane.

• 37:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that, listen.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  Can we fact check the, can we fact check the blocked toilet, Joe, please?

• 37:55Speaker 02

  The blocked toilet is a thing.

• 37:57Speaker 01

  I'm still recovering from Wu-Tang Clan and I don't want to make any more errors.

• 38:03Speaker 02

  No shade, right, but I think out of the two of us, you're probably the one that brings the least factual things to the point. I'm sorry.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  The whimsy, I think is what you're saying, the whimsy.

• 38:12Speaker 02

  Okay, the whimsy. And like the stuff that sounds amazing, like the shaft of piss, I'm sad that that wasn't true because I was looking forward to that being true. And then I felt sad that it wasn't. So they're gonna be, yeah, they're just doing it and they're coming back. They left on the first of April. Loads of people saw the spaceship go up that were flying by it. So loads of people that were just on flights.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  I saw, and that actually, to be fair now, that did kind of make me feel something, which, you know, is nice. It doesn't happen every day.

• 38:42Speaker 02

  Wouldn't it be cool though to be on a flight and just see a spaceship going up beside you?

• 38:47Speaker 01

  I was, do you know what really tickled me? So basically, obviously, do you know what I never think about? Like the whole space thing. You're like, oh, go on, they're going to space. You don't think about what actually like kind of is involved in getting them up there. And there was an airplane and I was trying to see was it AI? But our pilot was like, if you look to the right, you're going to see this like rocket like passing by, like breaking the atmosphere, going into the orbit or outside of the orbit. And someone wrote, imagine being on the other side of the plane. So like, there's this monumental historical moment happening. I'll never forget flying into New York for the first time. And I was in the middle and the guy at the window had his window down and we were flying over like

• 39:27Speaker 01

  all these kind of iconic, like the New York landscape. And the pilot was like, if you look to the left, you'll see the Empire State or whatever. I can't remember what it was. And I was like, this fucking prick.

• 39:37Speaker 02

  Why didn't you ask him to open it?

• 39:38Speaker 01

  I did. I did. I said, would you mind? I said, I've never flown into New York before.

• 39:42Speaker 02

  And he didn't open it?

• 39:43Speaker 01

  No, he did. No, he did. He did. He did. But like, it's something I assume, like, I don't know. I just thought like you'd kind of, without me having to beg.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  I'd always open it when like you have to.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  Well, you have to open it when you are, but that hadn't happened yet. But yeah, I was like, I was hoping to see like the, what's your one with the count with the 99?

• 40:00Speaker 02

  The Statue of Liberty.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  There you go. I was like, I want to see all the bits and bobs. And he, yeah, kept the window shuttered down. Anyway.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  Mars, I'm all about it.

• 40:09Speaker 03

  Yes, NASA did ask her if a hundred would be sufficient. That's not ultimately how they ended up going, but they did ask that question. And yes, the toilet was and possibly is still broken. And I know Joanne doesn't like toilet details, so it can only be.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  I don't mind, I don't mind, you've broken me down.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  It's frozen, it's frozen.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  You've broken me down with your juvenile childish behaviours, come on.

• 40:32Speaker 02

  I didn't, I didn't, I didn't bring it up, but it's all been frozen. So it's all frozen and it's blackened as well.

• 40:37Speaker 03

  Well, they can only use it for the number two ones. You can't use it for the number ones.

• 40:44Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  That doesn't make sense, it's usually the other way around.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  Because it's broken.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  I mean, it's not our money, it's the American government money, I assume. They're American, aren't they, Jo?

• 40:52Speaker 03

  They are.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, they do, they do enjoy spending, paying those tax holidays. You know, if you're, you're an American, even if you leave America, you still have to pay a certain level of tax in America whilst also paying your tax in the UK or wherever else you live.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  But should I pay tax everywhere I go?

• 41:08Speaker 02

  I pay everywhere I go, I pay tax. So I get in the States, I pay tax, Australia, I pay tax, Ireland, I pay tax. It's, it's, it's, it's immoral, it's brutal, it's.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  It's immoral.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  It's barbaric.

• 41:20Speaker 02

  I don't want to contribute to society. I've been very clear from the start.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  Thanks, everyone, for listening. We will catch you on the bonus.