Self Validation, Sewing & The White Lotus

After a two-week podcast hiatus, Vogue and Joanne are back - broadcasting live from the glamour of St. Barts and the chaos of NYC. Vogue talks self-validation and Joanne is planning to start sewing... Warning: this episode contains White Lotus spoilers! If you’d like to get in touch, you can send an email to [email protected] Please review Global's Privacy Policy: https://global.com/legal/privacy-policy/ For merch, tour dates and more visit: www.mytherapistghostedme.com Joanne's comedy gigs: www.joannemcnally.com Vogue's Book Tour: www.fane.co.uk/vogue-williams This episode contains explicit language and adult themes that may not be suitable for all listeners.

• 0:02Speaker 00

  FYI, there are a white load of spoilers in today's episode. There are a white load of season three spoilers in today's episode. So just be aware.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  Be very aware.

• 0:14Speaker 00

  Yeah. Don't come at us.

• 0:20Speaker 01

  Welcome to my therapist ghosted me with me Vogue Williams and.

• 0:24Speaker 00

  Joanne McNally. I'm dialing in from New York. This is like the Eurovision. Where are you coming in from Vogue?

• 0:30Speaker 01

  I'm coming in from St Bart's. We are finally on the same time. I'm only three hours away from you. Come over, come for lunch.

• 0:36Speaker 00

  Is that all it is?

• 0:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's really close. Yeah.

• 0:39Speaker 00

  It takes me three hours to leave the house in the morning. So I don't know if I'd make it over to St Bart's, but thank you for the invitation.

• 0:44Speaker 01

  I could practically get to Hoth from London in that time.

• 0:48Speaker 00

  Okay. Firstly, let us start the podcast by saying we can only apologize. Once again, we forgot to mention we were going on our holidays and just dropped the podcast with no warning that we were going to be gone for two weeks, which is unprofessional, unacceptable. And it's obviously, we can't even blame Joe really because he's not around. He's still on parental leave, like.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  That doesn't mean we can't blame him. Totally does not mean we can't blame him.

• 1:12Speaker 00

  Joe's usually the, he's the father figure. He kind of reminds us of stuff like that. So we're, we're very sorry.

• 1:17Speaker 01

  We're sorry about what Joe did. And to be honest with you, Joanne, I'm breaking up with everyone these days. So my inbox has been full of mails asking me if I'm breaking up with Spencer. And now people are asking me if I'm breaking up with you. So I'm just glad it's moved on to someone else.

• 1:30Speaker 00

  Really? Not a single person asked me, am I breaking up with you? That's so unhumiliating. They just assume you do the dumping.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  That's a nice position to be in, I suppose. I'd rather be the dumper than the dumpy.

• 1:41Speaker 00

  Everyone assumes you're leaving me and Spencer. No one assumes me and Spencer are trying to leave you.

• 1:46Speaker 01

  Maybe you and Spencer are lea- is he in New York with you? I haven't seen him this morning. Did he fly back to you?

• 1:51Speaker 00

  I had a taster. I had a taste test. I've wanted to for ages. I said, I'll climb on here and then spin around for a bit and see what happens.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  That wouldn't be good for the world.

• 2:00Speaker 00

  We're still friends. We're still friends. Yeah. It was very functional in the end. No one came, if that makes any difference to you, Vogue, so.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  You and Spencer would either be like Barack Obama and Michelle Obama, or you'd turn into like the dictator Mao and his family and you'd go real dark and evil on everyone.

• 2:29Speaker 00

  Hold on, you know the Obamas are splitting up apparently.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Ah, no, no. Do you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna stop you there, right?

• 2:38Speaker 00

  Go on.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  I'm not having it. I've turned a new corner on the celebrity rumor gossip mill, having been the subject of it relentlessly.

• 2:48Speaker 00

  Oh, we're going there, are we? We're going, we're going there.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Well, we're not really going there. I'm just, I'm just, because I don't want to go back there. I don't want to go back there. So I just think with Barack and Michelle, anybody could have made that up and I refuse to listen anymore.

• 3:03Speaker 00

  Let's make it clear. If we're gonna go, if we're gonna go there, there has been relentless press in the, what's the, what's the nickname for the Daily Mail? The faily sale or something?

• 3:15Speaker 01

  It's not even, it's everywhere. Relentless press everywhere. Yeah. My favourite story that I read, I have to say, was that we were breaking up because I was fed up of Spencer's running and he was jealous of my deal with Ferry. Non-bio click clack.

• 3:39Speaker 00

  Oh yeah. Well, when he was over here, when we just had that little brief dalliance, he said he was fuming about Ferry. He said that was the straw that broke the camel's back is watching you click clack on that odd day in, day out.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  Tell you what, do you know what? He washes his clothes downstairs with a different fabric softener.

• 3:56Speaker 00

  Does he indeed?

• 3:59Speaker 01

  He can't bring himself, he can't bring himself to use Ferry.

• 4:06Speaker 00

  Washing his jock to personal and he's like, that fucking bitch.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  I'm gonna try not go into it too much, but like, I will say about that one particular story, they were like, do Spencer and Vogue want to comment? And we were like, actually, you know what? Yeah, we will comment on that one. We are really happy. We don't know where all this, where all this stuff is coming from. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Do you think that was in the article?

• 4:27Speaker 00

  Not at all.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Didn't make the cut.

• 4:29Speaker 00

  Who's telling the stories, folk? It's not me, she says, driving off in her Ferrari.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Joanne.

• 4:37Speaker 00

  Joanne McNally closes deal on $3 billion house in New York City. Vogue, I don't know what you're talking about, okay?

• 4:44Speaker 01

  You have a head like a sieve. You wouldn't, you'd ring the journalism like, I did have, I had something for you now. But I'm off to forget.

• 4:52Speaker 00

  I'll have to call you back, Carol. It's gone.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  I said something on a Netmums podcast and I'd said the same thing on, when I did Parenting Hell with Josh and Rob. And, and I'd said, they were like, who does most of the household chores? And I was like, me, obviously. And they were laughing, laughing, laughing, saying, our wives would say the same thing. Obviously, that's not as interesting a story. But then I said it on Netmums and that got picked up. But the only bit, it was like Vogue is fed up because she says she does everything. But then the rest of the conversation was gone. So they kind of choose what they want to use from a pod and then you just, it's sound shit.

• 5:30Speaker 00

  I mean, I'm sorry now. Call me sexist if you wish.

• 5:37Speaker 00

  Call me everything you want in the world. But show me a household where it's not the women doing most of the chores, in a straight household with a man and a woman. Show me it. Show me it. I was talking to a female doctor, whatever. And we were talking about kids and I was talking about maybe wanting, like I would, you know, I do kind of have it in my head that I will pop out a kid at some stage. One individual.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  Girl.

• 6:04Speaker 00

  Girl. That's the plan.

• 6:06Speaker 01

  Oh God, if it's a boy. Anyway, go on.

• 6:08Speaker 00

  Whatever. I'll sell it on Etsy.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  I'll take it. I don't like being pregnant. You do. I'll take the boy.

• 6:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure I'm going to like being pregnant either, to be honest. So I might quit halfway through.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  No, you'll be one of those arseholes who's like Earth Mother going out doing her grounding in the grass every morning, enjoying every second of it. I'll just be puking by your feet.

• 6:33Speaker 00

  Imagine me, imagine, imagine how hydrated I'd be if I was off the booze for nine months. Imagine I'd be, oh, I'd be insufferable.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  The only thing I'd worry for you is that you'd be so hydrated that it would be like, have you, well, you obviously haven't seen this, but sometimes when people drown in the sea, their bodies get really bloated. So because you're not used to that much water and no alcohol taking the water away, you might just turn into.

• 6:59Speaker 00

  Are you saying I'd be, I'd get gout from water?

• 7:02Speaker 01

  I think you would just, your body would just hold on to it so quickly that it'd be like, don't let it go. This isn't going to happen again for ages.

• 7:09Speaker 00

  It's just like, not the body doesn't store fat anymore. It just stores water like a cucumber.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 7:15Speaker 00

  I'm just like leaking water. I used to say in, in stand up that I looked like Cara Delevingne if she drowned at sea and then her body kind of resurfaced about three weeks later. It was all full of gas and everything.

• 7:29Speaker 00

  And you know, before they stabbed the body and let all the gas out, have you ever seen them do that with the whales on the beach?

• 7:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. That's what I, you said it so much more eloquently. Well done.

• 7:38Speaker 00

  Thank you. Thank you.

• 7:40Speaker 00

  I have had time to think about it myself. Thank you. But I was talking to this female doctor about it and I was saying, my concern is doing it on your own, you know, like,

• 7:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:48Speaker 00

  I would be doing it on my own. I, I, I accept at this point, you know, I will be doing it on my own. And she looked me dead in the eyes. She is a mother of five. She looked me dead in the eye and she said, Juan, it doesn't matter if you've got a partner. She said, if as a woman you're doing, she said, you'll be doing it on your own anyway. And I was like, wow, that's sobering.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  Here's the thing as well though, like, and like, I don't want to sound like I'm not feminist, but for most of the stuff I want to do it. Like I, like I, I want to spend like all my free time with the kids. I want to just like, I can't sit. I'm really like, I'm just always up, up, up, up, up. So like, I don't want to sit and just read a book on the beach. I want to go and like build a sandcastle and do like loads of crap and just, I was teaching Gigi had a bodyboard yesterday. She's shite, but I'm going to try again today.

• 8:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:35Speaker 01

  But like, I think that like, and even with the household chores and stuff, I don't know if women just have better minds for it, or I don't know why we are better at it. But like, I'm not having him do my washing. Like he'd wreck everything.

• 8:47Speaker 00

  Like you can't. Can't deny a maternal instinct.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:51Speaker 00

  You have a very maternal instinct, you do. You tried to mother me at times, you know.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  I know, I love doing it to everybody, anyone.

• 8:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, you are, you are a mother. My concern is, I would do it, I would have the tiny girl, the mini me, the buzz of dressing her would wear off after six months. And then I'd be like, what happens, what do I do with her now?

• 9:09Speaker 01

  I'll have her. I'm sorry, I'll have all the babies. I wanna have a hundred kids.

• 9:14Speaker 00

  I'm like, with the touring and all, what happens to the little, the mini me? What do I do with her?

• 9:19Speaker 01

  You have to make me godmother, that there's literally, you cannot not make me godmother.

• 9:23Speaker 00

  You'd have to be godmother because no one else would take her for that length of time. You're the only one with enough staff. According to the Daily Mail, you have nineteen nannies. Surely one of them can look after the mini me. Otherwise, you're gonna have to get her to open the show.

• 9:36Speaker 00

  Okay, by the time you turn three, you're gonna need a solid fifteen minutes because you're coming on the road at mummy.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  That's given her a lot of time now. Fifteen minutes in three years, that's plenty of time. She'll be grand.

• 9:46Speaker 00

  You manage to do it in six months, the baby can do it.

• 9:48Speaker 01

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• 11:00Speaker 01

  Can someone mute her, please?

• 11:08Speaker 01

  Tell me about, tell me about your news story. Your press, your press.

• 11:12Speaker 00

  Oh, well, let's see. Okay. So basically I had, now, as we know, I am left alone by press, certainly in the UK. I've never really kind of tipped into that whole world.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  I'm gonna start ringing in for you now.

• 11:26Speaker 00

  I'm in that sweet spot where no one gives a shit. It's actually a really lovely place to be because I had a pile on from the internet last summer and it's not something I would ever like to experience again. When the internet comes at you, it's horrible. We're not equipped to have that much hate from that many people. We're supposed to be living in a fucking cave. Do you know what I mean? With the watering can, hunter and gathering. It's not our, it's, it's, it's not how we're equipped. It's horrible. Anyway, I open my Insta app and I'm in the Irish Times, not in the paper, actually, on the Instagram account, about our tour money and tax returns and all the shit that I don't even understand myself. Even having read the article, I'm still not entirely sure about my finances, to be totally honest. But I was like, of course, I thought something terrible

• 12:10Speaker 00

  had happened. I thought it was like, I don't know, I thought I was going to prison or there was, I didn't know what was going on. I didn't know, understand at all. I read, scan, read it. And I then thought I was gonna just get loads of abuse. I don't know why. I just, I was triggered, as they'd say, as the young'uns would say. And I thought there were, it was all gonna be this. Like the way, you know, the way everyone accuses you of not having a real job. I thought it was gonna be all that. Like, fucking, I'm a phony cancer and yeah, all that shit. I thought the insels were gonna come in or whatever. And actually, they were so nice about it. And there was a lot of people writing on the account, how the fuck is that any of your business? Like, it's so, I, it's never happened to me before. I didn't realise it was a thing. I understand now, it is a thing because you're a councillor public. But like, I didn't even know what my brother earns. I wouldn't even

• 12:55Speaker 00

  ask my brother what he earns.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  You, like, I remember last summer when you went through that shit time and you were really upset. But like, I guess, yeah, you were, you were dead. I honestly-

• 13:05Speaker 00

  I was in LA. Valiums. I was on my own on the Valiums in LA. And I, I, I was at the start trying to interact with everyone because, because I felt I was, you know, you forget, you just can't do that. And you just can't do that now. Like it's just not, you just can't sit there replying to everyone individually, trying to like defend your character. You know, you just can't do it. So you just have to kind of let it, let the wave ride over you.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  But fuck me. Yeah, I know. But I just think that no matter what you do, no matter how good you are to people or everyone saying that they like working with you, all that kind of shit. There is always going to be a group of people that will forever hate you and you can never, ever change that. Like I just, I kind of just don't care anymore. And like honestly, even with the shit that we've had to like, kind of put up with over the last few weeks. Like if that had happened to me four years ago, I would have been like completely devastated, really mortified. And like, yes, it's a little bit embarrassing because like at the end of the day, like people like that I know would text me and ask, and I'm like, don't ask me that.

• 14:06Speaker 01

  If you ask me that, you don't know me. Like if you feel the need to ask me that, but like, I think now I'm so used to just getting like so much shit all the time. But it shouldn't be like that. You shouldn't just have to get used to taking shit.

• 14:18Speaker 00

  I know. You are like Teflon. You are fucking bulletproof. And I think, I think people might assume that I'm stronger than I am sometimes.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  You're not able for it. Definitely not.

• 14:30Speaker 00

  But I'm not, I'm actually not. I have a very nervous disposition and a very overactive nervous system, which I've spoken about regularly. And you know, the human condition is you want to be liked. Like you don't want people coming at you, telling you you're the, you're a horrible gee bag of a person. Like it's horrible. Do you know what I was actually thinking?

• 14:49Speaker 01

  Especially when you know you're not a gee bag. It's like, no, but I'm not a gee bag.

• 14:53Speaker 00

  Do you know, I feel sorry for the most my mother because when stuff like that happens, my mom gets really upset.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:59Speaker 00

  She's like, they don't know you, Joanne. They're, they're your character. So I actually feel worse for Pat. There was an episode of How To Fail with Jonathan Van Ness recently. It was a really good app. And he actually was talking about these kind of public pylons and he had a Rolling Stone article written about him. About a year ago, which I actually wasn't aware of, and it just went through him and said he was like an absolute, someone that he worked with on Queer Eye. Basically ratted him out as a kind of narcissistic unbearable monster. And he said it was just devastating, the whole experience was devastating. And he was talking about, you know, and Elizabeth Day was discussing it as well, how we are all human.

• 15:38Speaker 00

  Like, we're all multifaceted human beings who, you know, lose their temper at times or do snap or whatever.

• 15:45Speaker 01

  I have a bad day. Everyone has a bad day sometimes. That's just the way it is.

• 15:49Speaker 00

  He was saying, like, you know, if this person had wanted to repair the relationship with him, he could have contacted him directly, but he didn't. He went to the Rolling Stone magazine. And he said, like, the, the pylon, he said, was life-changingly devastating. But he did actually say, which I thought was very interesting, but if all your validation comes from external sources like social media, Instagram, whatever it is. And then when that goes, basically, he was like, he had to learn how to, you know, internally validate himself. I've heard Anne Hathaway say that as well, but she, remember where everyone turned on Anne Hathaway for a while?

• 16:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was weird. I don't know what, what happened. Why, I think there was like one bad interview where she seemed a little bit bitchy and then everyone was like, oh, she's a complete bitch. And it's like.

• 16:32Speaker 00

  Anne was saying, she's like, I had to do so much therapy on myself. I love that I'm going here. Anne, like, we're confidants and personal friends. She was saying, I had to do so much work on myself because if that ever happens again, I can't believe it. She said, when that happened, I believed that I was this terrible person they were telling me. And then I had to do all this therapy. And now she's like, I, I believe in myself. I know I'm a good person. And so if they ever, if the internet ever turns on me again, I'll be ready, you know, I've, I've learned how to validate myself. It was a lovely lesson. Now I'm out there.

• 17:01Speaker 01

  So tell me little bits and bobs that you've been doing this week. God, that was such a mom turn of phrase. Oh.

• 17:06Speaker 00

  Give us the bits and bobs.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  Give us, give us the gossip of your week. Go on, what are you doing?

• 17:11Speaker 00

  Well, I have been doing work in progress shows in Brooklyn. I'm, I'm back in Manhattan now, once again haunting the halls of the Patrick. At this point, it's like, it's not even funny anymore. I cannot stop. Like strangers on the lift. I used to work here.

• 17:30Speaker 01

  You didn't, you wish you used to work in Fitzpatrick, New York. You could have done that on your J1 and you didn't even bother.

• 17:36Speaker 00

  I'm in with the housekeeping staff and like, I was you, you know, I did this job, yeah. I was in that exact penny. I said, I bet you have a couple of the bedtime chocolates in your apron, do you? And she's like, I do. I said, yeah, I know, because I used to work here.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  You weren't on that job. You were on toilets. You did not do that job.

• 17:53Speaker 00

  No, you're right. I never graduated to bedrooms. I was only, I was a housekeeper and I was only the toilets.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  You should have learnt how to make a bed because the skill they have making that bed is second to none.

• 18:03Speaker 00

  I don't agree with bed making. You're gonna get back into it. There is no point. I genuinely believe it is an absolute waste of time and I have busier things to do.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  I've read up on it.

• 18:13Speaker 00

  I'm thrifting. I am flat out thrifting my way through New York City. I can't believe I have to tell my mum, once again, I didn't go to Ellis Island. So I'm thinking, I'm just gonna use Photoshop. I'm gonna Photoshop myself onto the fairy gown across.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  What, for the Statue of Liberty?

• 18:25Speaker 00

  She's like, Joanne, you cannot leave New York again without doing Ellis Island. It's the queuing, of course, is the problem for me because I'm genuinely allergic to queuing. So I'm gonna do AI or something and put a photo of myself at the top of the Empire State Building.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Just AI, just AI yourself all over New York. She won't have a clue.

• 18:42Speaker 00

  She won't have a fucking clue. And then I was like, Joanne, well, I'm mad. I'll do a couple of the Eiffel Towers and stuff as well, just to have them on file.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, get a hot dog by a hot dog stand.

• 18:50Speaker 00

  Well, no, I do, I can do that. That's.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  I know you wouldn't do that.

• 18:54Speaker 00

  I should have just sat in my room, I just Photoshop myself into all these locations in New York. Just didn't leave the room for two weeks.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  Now, what I have to say is I wouldn't be like mad push. That would never have even been on my list until you just said it there to go and see the Statue of Liberty. Because I can see her from the land. I can see her from the island.

• 19:11Speaker 00

  And I have, I said to my mum, I said, I took a video and I zoomed in from Brooklyn Bridge. I did see it up close. I looked her right in the eyes. But I would like, I would like the history in the museum and the kind of immigration and all that stuff. That does interest me. But anyway, I'm gonna have to go AI because I have no time between the show and the thrifting.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  Is that a thrifting top?

• 19:29Speaker 00

  No, actually, this is everywhere in I just, this was, but it was on sale. So I made a agreement with myself. I said, Joanne. You know the way I like to, I'm a big, treat yourself, because I'm like, oh, I'm no kids. And my mum's like, you also have no pension or a house, Joanne.

• 19:41Speaker 01

  And also you leave clothes everywhere, so you actually have no clothes left. So I can't wait till you leave that top in my house. I'm really excited.

• 19:48Speaker 00

  And I'm also, I am environmentally aware and I do, I do feel bad about the like, fast fashion situation. So I'm like, okay, Joanne, only secondhand stuff that you couldn't buy, like you're not going into Zara in New York. Do you know what I mean? I mean, secondhand stuff or Adidas stuff that's very much discounted on sale that you couldn't get online. Which is, and I've stuck to those reels. Wait until you see what I've created.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  I saw her going into Zara in New York when we were there.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  I was looking for a toilet. The sparkly jeans on the top.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  Literally Zara New York.

• 20:23Speaker 00

  This is why I sell stories about your marriage. This is why I do it, folk, because you're vengeful.

• 20:31Speaker 00

  One, one pair of Daimante jeans between friends from Zara, okay?

• 20:37Speaker 01

  Well, you fucking ruined them. I wanted them. They were too big for you.

• 20:40Speaker 00

  I know, I got them taken in and turned into shorts.

• 20:44Speaker 00

  So this brings me to my next bit of news. Now, you're not going to believe this because you don't believe anything I say, because you know that I have the attention span of an aunt. However,

• 20:51Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 20:51Speaker 00

  I've said, had so much time on my own in New York. I've had a lot of time to think. And I've been in the, in the market for a hobby for a while now.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 21:01Speaker 00

  Because I'm, I'm de-centering. Men were kind of my hobby and I've, I'm kind of losing interest in that whole situation. So I need to fill that time that I spent, you know.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  Really excited. Please be something I like. No, it's not.

• 21:12Speaker 00

  I have decided to do an online seamstress course, buy a sewing machine and start making my own clothes.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  Sorry, I'm not laughing, but I know I am laughing because it's quite unexpected. But I actually think that would be so perfect for you.

• 21:30Speaker 00

  I've decided to start making my own clothes.

• 21:32Speaker 01

  Only neon, obviously.

• 21:34Speaker 00

  It would be, just be, just be fluorescent.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  And sparkle.

• 21:39Speaker 00

  Curtains, I'm talking tablecloths, I'm talking towels.

• 21:42Speaker 01

  Imagine a flirt, no, not towels now, come on.

• 21:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, towels, denim, like little boob tubes. I mean, because I have, there's this guy that I use, there's this amazing tailor that I use. But like, I, I was like, I mean, I'm, I'm not, I don't mean to disrespect the tailoring community. But I'm not looking for massive alterations. I'm not going to be making wedding dresses. I'm just talking about chopping tops and making crop tops and jeans.

• 22:07Speaker 01

  I have a load of stuff to send you. You can charge me.

• 22:10Speaker 00

  Honest to God, no joke, all bullshit aside, I am doing this.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. Do you know what I have been thinking of doing? If you're actually gonna do that and buy the sewing machine.

• 22:20Speaker 00

  I am actually gonna do it like Rumpelstiltskin with the pedal and everything.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  I, I wanted, right, I have decks that are, live in Ireland. I wanted to buy myself a little decks that all come in one, mixer and decks, and I'm gonna start like properly DJing again and doing it at home. And like really like learning how, like I can mix, but like I wanna be like a really, I wanna be Tiesto. So I'm gonna start learning that when I get home and you can teach me how to sew and I'll teach you how to DJ.

• 22:48Speaker 00

  This is amazing. Do you want to, oh, I don't know if that's the same now.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  I, sorry?

• 22:55Speaker 00

  You're just doing something again that you've already done.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  No, I'm upskilling. I'm upskilling.

• 23:01Speaker 00

  But you're, you're, you, you, you work as a DJ. That's like me saying, I think I might try stand up comedy. I think I might do a course. No, no, no. If you're gonna compete with my seamstressing and my tailoring of, oh my, and potentially starting a clothing line of neon curtains.

• 23:18Speaker 00

  You need something, you need a new hobby. You need to match the energy. You need to match.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Can I take up tennis? Can I take up tennis again?

• 23:24Speaker 00

  The thing that you're already really good at.

• 23:25Speaker 01

  Okay, for fuck's sake. Okay, okay.

• 23:28Speaker 00

  Do you know what could be a good hobby?

• 23:29Speaker 01

  Skateboarding. I'll skate, I always wanted to learn how to skateboard.

• 23:33Speaker 00

  Now, it has just occurred to me, you do have three children and a husband. I, I'm more, I am more looking to fill a bit of time.

• 23:41Speaker 00

  Do you know what I would love for you to do as a hobby? And I think it'd be really good for you because I know that you are quite impatient and can be very competitive and you're like, you're a sporty gal.

• 23:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:51Speaker 00

  I think you should teach me how to play tennis.

• 23:54Speaker 01

  Oh God, I don't know. I honestly, I really, there's two things I can do in this world.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  I actually.

• 24:02Speaker 00

  Play tennis with me and teach me how to play tennis.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  I couldn't bear having to teach someone how to play tennis if they weren't good. Like, if I play tennis with one of my friends and they're shit, I'm like, sorry, I can't, I can't play.

• 24:14Speaker 00

  How do you know I'm not good? I could be. We don't know what my skill set is. No one tested me.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  This is true. This is true. Okay. Do you know what? I have an idea for us as a couple.

• 24:24Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  I think that we should take up paddle. Everyone's going on about it. Everyone loves the paddle.

• 24:31Speaker 00

  Is that not just for middle-aged white men?

• 24:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, but we're not that far off that. Come on.

• 24:36Speaker 00

  I haven't seen, yeah, that's actually a very fair point. I haven't seen any women play paddle.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  I brought three tennis outfits here with me. I haven't played tennis once, but that's besides the point. I have the most amazing tennis wardrobe. I've no idea why. I've been collecting it for years. I'm really taken by tennis gear. I've loads of gear for us and I have a paddle racket.

• 24:56Speaker 00

  Look, I'm open to all sporting suggestions. I, I have mocked myself. My fitness journey has come to a very abrupt end in New York. I have woken up every morning, put on gym gear and gone to a bar.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  Wow, that's actually kind of impressive to me.

• 25:12Speaker 00

  To write. I'm like on the way to Crunch Fitness and I'm like, I cannot pass an Irish pub in New York. They are so stunning. Which reminds me actually of how I won the money. The Apple Pay wasn't working. I said I'd go back. Anyway.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  That's their own fault.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  I've got goss on Vogue and you're mad from the bad. I've got goss on the, no, do you want my goss? It's like so old.

• 25:37Speaker 00

  Alan's stories on you and Brian McCadon, we can't use his real name. That was 19 years ago.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  I was gonna tell you what I was doing today.

• 25:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, hit me.

• 25:51Speaker 01

  Okay, so what I was doing today was I was shooting for Verbi Vogue. And I brought back, look, look at the top. I brought back the bandana. I was wearing a purple bandana as a top. I have not got a single tit to my name. Literally, they've, they've gotten smaller. I know that you didn't think it was possible. I think they have. And the bandana top still fits around because I just don't have any boobs and I'm bringing back bandanas. But we, I did a whole shoot today on my holidays and I went into the bakery to grab a coffee in full makeup and this sparkly rickshaw dress. And they all looked at me like I hadn't been home yet because it was half eight in the morning.

• 26:31Speaker 00

  I mean, it's not like St Bart's. It's not like they don't, it's not like they haven't seen that shit before.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  It's not really that kind of place. Like, I have been in, I don't, I'm not bringing up sleep, but I've been in bed by half eight most nights.

• 26:42Speaker 00

  That's, you just, you just brought up.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  About nine hours, four, she was my best sleep.

• 26:48Speaker 00

  I feel attacked by my whoop over here. Literally attacked. It's like, I open my whoop, it's like, you're a piece of shit. You're three percent sleep last night. Because the show's at 10 o'clock and then obviously I'm having drinks after the show and it's all a bit chaotic, you know?

• 27:02Speaker 01

  Are you a one percent recovery? Just, that's why I gave up the whoop because I couldn't bear, you know, I was insulted by it. Every time I had two drinks, it was like, two percent recovery. And then I was like, oh.

• 27:12Speaker 00

  I opened my whoop, my whoop was like, oh, get your shit, get your life together.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  Oh, hi loser.

• 27:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, morning piss head.

• 27:24Speaker 01

  You can't have one drink. You can't have one drink on a whoop.

• 27:27Speaker 00

  I do actually enjoy my whoop, I have to say. Vogue, just back to your bandeau top.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Yes. Did you get yourself one?

• 27:32Speaker 00

  Well, no, but I don't know if you're, I can make you, I can make them.

• 27:39Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 27:40Speaker 00

  With my machine that I don't have yet, but.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  Do you know what I was thinking about my bandeau top today? I said.

• 27:45Speaker 00

  I can do that for you.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  The only thing missing from this bandeau top is built in boobs.

• 27:50Speaker 00

  A matching skirt.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  And that it's neon and a matching skirt.

• 27:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, there you go. I'm telling you, it's, I'm, I'm buzzing about this and I just hope that I actually do it because I don't have a lot of faith in myself. I don't have a huge amount of follow through, but I really, really do hope that I do this.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  How's the Pilates bed?

• 28:11Speaker 00

  I'm just gonna ring the Daily Mail again and make sure they got my call from earlier.

• 28:16Speaker 00

  Just, I'm just making sure my emails are going through the Daily Mail.

• 28:19Speaker 01

  Is that where your mom sleeps when she grows up?

• 28:23Speaker 00

  How dare you. The Pilates bed had to be moved to the spare room for space. And yes, now there are some boxes on it, but they're in great shape. They're very toned, the boxes.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  Sorry, Mum, you can't stay. I've got the Pilates bed in the spare room. Really? Really? Sorry, Mum, it was a real bed, the Pilates bed. I chose the Pilates bed.

• 28:50Speaker 00

  The Pilates bed is being stored underneath the Peloton.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  Well, you're not just given to Kevin Carey to put in storage for you until you move.

• 29:00Speaker 00

  Well, this is, we're both in, we're both, are we allowed to talk about the house thing or no?

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Have you been, well, no, I can't jinx my, Joanne and I, we can talk about it though.

• 29:09Speaker 00

  I'm now doing a very adult thing where I'm about to start looking to buy a home for myself, which I've never done before. I almost bought, the apartment above mine was for sale and the guy came down and he was like, "It's for sale. Do you wanna go look at it?" And I was like, "Yeah, because I'm so lazy." I was like, "I'll just fucking go upstairs."

• 29:29Speaker 01

  Can I just buy this one that I'm in?

• 29:30Speaker 00

  I was like, "Oh, I'll just go upstairs." But it wasn't actually very bright and I'm big into brightness. I wanna basically live on the sun, do you know what I mean? I want like light and brightness. But I am about to start the journey that I've heard is very stressful.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:44Speaker 00

  And I've never done it before.

• 29:45Speaker 01

  Very exciting though.

• 29:46Speaker 00

  But I am excited to do it. Yes, I am excited to do it. And then, once I have my new home, I will be doing Pilates 24/7, 28 days a week, because I will have space for the bed. I've outgrown that flat now. I have too much shit. Yeah.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  Ed, you know Spencer, Spencer said the other day, we were having a chat and I was like, oh, when Joanne used to live with us. And he was like, what? And I was like, when Joanne used to live with us? And he was like, no, she didn't. And I was like, are you insane? I was like, yes, she did. And he was like, he basically was like, I never saw her. I was like, yeah, because she's really good to live with because she just kind of keeps herself to herself. And me and other people there were basically like, yes, she did. He flat out will not accept that you used to live with us.

• 30:26Speaker 00

  It's so funny. We used to talk about this in the ghost of live tour where I was like, Spencer, I was like, he genuinely, I just kept out of his way. And I was like, I could still be there. I'm so, I'm so good at managing myself around him that he did not know I was there. I think he thought I was one of the nannies. He's like, there's an Irish woman downstairs a lot. But I was like, walking around in his dressing gown, smoking a cigar, having a ball. Yeah. You see, you just keep out of their way and then they don't know. I could still be living there.

• 30:49Speaker 01

  You've wasted money on rent for the last two years.

• 30:52Speaker 00

  I always read those stories. There's always like, did you ever read those stories? It seems to happen in China a lot. Where there's like a Chinese woman living in the wall of a house.

• 31:00Speaker 01

  But didn't also we do a news story, sorry, about the same thing where basically someone's boyfriend was living in their attic and he got caught eventually.

• 31:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  And he was living there for months.

• 31:11Speaker 00

  Listen to this. I read this today. Babysitter babysitting a kid. The kid's like, there's someone under my bed. There's someone, there's a ghost under my bed.

• 31:18Speaker 01

  Oh my God, please don't.

• 31:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. And the babysitter, as they all do, standard practice, they get on their knees. They're like, look, there's no one there. Lift the sheet. Full blown man under the bed. Yeah. Full blown man under the bed.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  Could have been worse. Could have been a ghost. I'm not as scared now.

• 31:37Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, it's just a human man with a machete.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  Oh my God.

• 31:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  I'm not joking you. I wouldn't buy a bed that didn't touch the ground. I wouldn't be like, I'm looking at the bed that I'm sleeping in at the moment. It's gorgeous, but I can see under it. I wouldn't buy a bed I could see under because anyone could hide under there.

• 31:54Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, I'm a 41 year old woman and I still, if my, if my leg's hanging over the edge of the bed, I would bring it back in just in case someone grabs it.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  Paranormal activity, when they pull their legs out of the bed and they reef them out of the bed. Like, that's what all poltergeist do. They go for your limbs.

• 32:10Speaker 00

  Yeah. You know, I have no belief system, so I don't believe in any of that. Speaking of belief systems.

• 32:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:17Speaker 00

  Are you, are you gonna watch White Lotus? Or am I gonna have to turn on the podcast with someone else?

• 32:21Speaker 01

  I've watched the whole thing.

• 32:22Speaker 00

  What?

• 32:23Speaker 01

  I love it so.

• 32:24Speaker 00

  How have we not discussed this?

• 32:26Speaker 01

  I don't know. I, I just watched the finale. Yeah, the full way through. Spencer's so obsessed with Walter Goggins that I actually, I can't listen to it anymore. He's like, he just brings him up in conversation all the time. I'm like, oh my God, honestly.

• 32:39Speaker 00

  He's a very sad backstory. Apparently he lost his wife, I saw somewhere, and he went to Thailand, actually. You kind of look a bit like him, if I'm allowed, Sidot. Do you just look to me there?

• 32:50Speaker 01

  Sorry?

• 32:51Speaker 00

  No?

• 32:52Speaker 01

  Do I need to go to Turkey?

• 32:54Speaker 00

  He's got a great set of teeth.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  He, like, I'm sorry.

• 32:57Speaker 00

  He's got a little of a seed though, but apparently I, I, I find him incredibly attractive.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  He would be, wait, I'm gonna send you, he put his house up, and I obviously follow him, I'm obsessed too, everyone's obsessed with him. On Instagram, he put his house up that he did this thing with Architectural Digest, and I swear to God, it's nothing like your apartment now, but it's very you. By the way, your apartment tour now, I know I always veer off, like, it's, it's so good, it's so you, your apartment.

• 33:19Speaker 00

  The big giant yellow lamp and stuff.

• 33:21Speaker 01

  I love that yellow lamp so much.

• 33:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:24Speaker 01

  Anyway, Walt, he has a house, and I was like, I can imagine, I can imagine Joanne and him, now he might be, I think he's married, but anyway, in our imaginations, I can imagine you and Walton.

• 33:34Speaker 00

  Do you know what? It's funny that you say that, because so can I.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it's gonna, I think it's in the stars.

• 33:39Speaker 00

  And I did actually slide into his DMs.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  Oh no. Was it after a couple of drinks?

• 33:45Speaker 00

  I have started the process of falling in love with me.

• 33:49Speaker 01

  Well, I unfollow him, I don't want him to think.

• 33:51Speaker 00

  I'm actually only messing, I haven't. I haven't, I haven't, I haven't. But, so I, I'm obsessed with him too. This whole series, people were giving out that it's not as good as the one and two, but apparently this has had the biggest viewers, more than the first two series. This slow burn of it all, all this stuff, I mean, the press tour, I mean, it makes Wicked look amateur, they are everywhere. And as we know, I sat beside Amy Lee Wood, we went for drinks after the Jonathan Ross show, as you know, and I was like, who dies, who dies? And she went, you don't want to know. And I was like, you're dead, right? I actually don't want to know. But my God, that woman stuck to her NDA. I posted a photo of Parker Posey, she said in an interview somewhere, they were asking her who's dead. And she said, I've actually forgotten who died.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah. I love that.

• 34:36Speaker 00

  I think, I think she was on her own balls out there. That's the vibe I get. But she's like, I've forgotten he died. And I posted a photo of us and said, iconic even in memory loss. And a woman came in, oh, thanks, Joanne. Spoiler, huh? I was like, what? I was like, no, no, no, she's not, she's not dead. I said, the final hasn't even come out yet.

• 34:56Speaker 01

  We said, no.

• 34:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like, I don't even, that's not a spoiler. She's just in the show. Someone dies, we all know that. Anyway, fantastic TV.

• 35:05Speaker 01

  So good.

• 35:06Speaker 00

  Already buzzing for season four. I, I, I'm considering, you know, the way I, I don't sell tape and I, I

• 35:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:13Speaker 00

  refuse to act and I'm offer only. I'm offer only, guys. I'm not taping. I am prepared to sell, I am prepared to audition for White Lotus season four, so.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  If Joanne gets it, she's not actually allowed to do it without me just because we're a team, so.

• 35:25Speaker 00

  We could be a team, yeah.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  And the only thing I will say that annoyed me about White Lotus was the fact that we had to watch it like real TV. Like we had to wait a week. I was like, what?

• 35:34Speaker 00

  It was infuriating. It really tested the, because we just don't have the attention span for that anymore.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  No.

• 35:40Speaker 00

  That's very 2002 TV experience. We don't watch TV like that anymore. So that was, the dripping was frustrating, but also I kind of, he edged us. He edged us.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Also, I saw people, because I saw a lot of people online being like, oh, this is like, that was the worst finale ever. And I'm like, honestly, what, like, what did you expect from the, it was so good. Like, I thought the whole thing was just incredible. I loved all the actors. I loved all the characters in it. They were so brilliant. Everyone was so different. You could see yourself in loads of them. I loved those three girls, the way that they just, it like, it, it was so perfect watching them and how women interact and stuff. And I just, I thought the whole thing was incredibly shot. I loved all the characters. I loved all the actors. I'm so obsessed. I really want, it's so sad that Walton Goggins won't be coming back, but. I can't wait to see who they get next because they do get people that you just don't expect.

• 36:31Speaker 00

  Well, now that you're into your spirits and your ghosts, wouldn't it be a great, you should pitch the episode where it's just all the dead people. So Jennifer Coolidge, Emily Walter, a kind of a ghosty haunted white lout.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm sorry. I think that would do really well.

• 36:46Speaker 00

  I listened to the Carrie Coon monologue at the end where, and again, spoilers, sorry, I'm sorry. So if you haven't watched it yet, you know.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  I don't know what you mean by that.

• 36:58Speaker 00

  Eject out. Carrie Coon, there's monologue at the end, the three girls are sitting at the table and they're like, oh, we had a lovely time, we had a lovely time. And then Carrie Coon's character, names like, I never remember any of their names, talks about how she's been really sad and that she's trying to figure out she's no belief system and that it was love and then it was kids and work and they didn't work and that she's like, we're in this life together and it seems it really matters that we're kind of witnessing each other's lives. And I was, when I say, like, it really, really touched me because I feel like that at times. When you're with friends, you have to really prove your life choices and your life choices are very much magnified when you're

• 37:38Speaker 00

  in the presence of other people who've made different life choices. And I felt like that for, and then the next day I was listening to a podcast about the finale and they played the monologue and I teared up, which you know, Vogue isn't easy because I'm heavily medicated, but I teared up. It's not often I tear up.

• 37:53Speaker 01

  I did like that as well. I agree. I loved her. I loved that character. I just, I just loved the whole thing. I'm really sad it's over though now, but I did hear, did I hear that they were doing the next one in Italy or something?

• 38:03Speaker 00

  I heard New York. They've already done it.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Did they do Italy?

• 38:07Speaker 00

  Imagine they went to Dublin.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Oh, they did do Italy. They did Sicily, Sicily. Yeah.

• 38:12Speaker 00

  Can you believe Molly Malone is getting her own bouncer?

• 38:14Speaker 01

  Do you know what? I kind of think the whole thing is completely wild, but it's so funny.

• 38:20Speaker 00

  So funny. Just to explain for anyone who doesn't know, Molly Malone is a statue of, well, a woman called Molly Malone in Dublin. She's the topic of a famous song about cockles and muscles. Apparently she used to sell fish in the market in Dublin years and years ago. And she's, she's made of like bronze, but she's wearing a local top.

• 38:40Speaker 01

  She looks fantastic.

• 38:41Speaker 00

  She's putting on, as we'd say, a busty display, as we say today. She's putting on a busty display, not a leggy display, she's, her legs are fully covered, she's got a long skirt, but she's got a busty display. And it's become almost like kissing the Blarney Stone for luck. Tourists are coming over and they're rubbing her tits.

• 38:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:00Speaker 00

  For photos.

• 39:00Speaker 01

  They're gonna rub them away though, they're gonna rub them away, it happens so often.

• 39:04Speaker 00

  And there has been some bit of damage to the bronze. And now, people are saying that it's offensive and kind of basically, Moni's now being kind of through the kind of Me Too lens and stuff and they're like, it's inappropriate to be grabbing her tits, you know. Now, she is a statue, I don't, I don't know where people stand on this. But they have, there's now talk of her getting a bouncer. Someone who will be like, ah, enough of that now. Like at the school disco, if you kiss the teacher, hook him up and kind of spit you up.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 39:32Speaker 00

  You know, I, I, you know, as, as problems in the world go, is it up there? I don't know.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  I mean, I just feel.

• 39:39Speaker 00

  She's dead, so we won't know about it. I, I can tell you this though, if there was ever a statue made of me, rub away.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  Robe away, my friends. The only thing I will say to you is, this is from, like, I assume the government in Ireland are now paying for this because they're the same people who built a bloody bike shed for themselves for 360,000 euro. Are we surprised that they're now putting a full time, like, she's got, her boobs are great. I mean, is it absolutely ridiculous? Of course it is. But look what happened with the portal, remember the portal on O'Connell Street? When everyone was just flashing each other and stuff. That's what's gonna happen if you, like, we're humans, like, we take the piss out of everything.

• 40:20Speaker 00

  I know. I just love the idea of this huge, big bouncer in a jacket with an earpiece standing beside Moni, 24/7.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  If there's a statue ever made of me, it will be completely flat and you can just tell people that she used to have tits, but everyone rubbed them out because I kept rubbing her tits.

• 40:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, they'll have to, they'll rub your arse, you've got arse folk.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  I had to have something, I had to have arse or tits, I got arse.

• 40:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, you squatted hard enough now, you deserve to have, you'll have a little arse rub, I'd say. But now, you're on, were you not on, were you, did they not draw your face onto the wall of Darnedale Dart Station or something?

• 40:54Speaker 01

  Of everything you remember, why is it things like this? I've just.

• 40:59Speaker 00

  It was your photo, but it was the funniest thing I've ever seen.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  Rahini, it's in Rahini, I think.

• 41:04Speaker 00

  They drew murals on the wall of, and there was like, who were they? Because Sheikh of Ar was on it and then you were beside Sheikh of Ar. It was just, it was a lot to take in. It was, it was a lot to make sense of. It was hard to process.

• 41:18Speaker 01

  I was in there with an unusual bunch of people. Probably didn't really, particularly at the time, didn't deserve to be in there, but.

• 41:25Speaker 00

  Certainly no.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  It was right after the Fade Street success.

• 41:28Speaker 00

  Certainly now with your contributions to communism, you certainly do deserve to be up there with Sheikh of Ar.

• 41:36Speaker 00

  What have you got to bear by Vogue?

• 41:38Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 41:40Speaker 00

  You'd have admired the business sense, I'm sure.

• 41:44Speaker 03

  You're listening to a quick ad. You know what else is quick? Selling your car on Carvana. Just put in your vehicle information and we'll give you an offer. Done. No hassle, no negotiation, no guy from an online listing lowballing you. Which means by the time I'm done explaining this, you could have basically done it.

• 42:07Speaker 03

  Still haven't started? Hey, better late than ever. Sell your car today on Carvana. Pickup fees may apply.

• 42:19Speaker 00

  Go full Moss on us. Never complain, never explain.

• 42:21Speaker 01

  Was that Kate Moss with the royal family?

• 42:23Speaker 00

  The British royal family, I'd say they robbed it from Moss.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  I have one last thing to tell you. You wouldn't believe what happened to me.

• 42:35Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 42:36Speaker 01

  I'm on a train and I was like that.

• 42:37Speaker 00

  I'm so sorry to hear that.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  I had to get.

• 42:42Speaker 00

  How did that happen?

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Public transport.

• 42:45Speaker 01

  So I was on a train going to Birmingham, right? And you know the way I'm an impatient bitch and I was filming a TV show. So I was like, oh, there's a train 11 minutes earlier. 11 minutes, not a big deal. I thought, you know what? I'll get myself something to eat in the train. I'll get in the earlier train to Birmingham. I think it was like an hour and a half train. And I asked the man at the train station, I was like, are you sure I can get in that train? I was with the TV show, so they'd booked me into first class and I was like thrilled. Are you sure I can get in that one? So I got on and I was like, this is a, this doesn't look like the usual first class on a train. Right? Sitting there, I'd gotten myself, there's no plug sockets, no plug sockets. I was so thirsty, I was hungry, I was gonna eat my dinner on the train. Nothing, no food.

• 43:29Speaker 01

  I had gotten myself on the slow train that took two hours, 45 minutes. Two hours, 45 minutes to Birmingham. I didn't even have my phone because I ran out of battery because there was no plug sockets. Yeah. I mean, it reminded me of you.

• 43:45Speaker 00

  Your head now, I can only imagine. That's like, that's torture, just sitting there with your own thoughts.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  Oh no, I had a book, I was fine. God, I would have, nah, I would have had to get off at Rugby. There was a place called Rugby. I was like, I'll get off here, why is this taking so long?

• 44:01Speaker 00

  Three thoughts in, you're like, that's enough out of this day now, thank you.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  You shut up up there.

• 44:07Speaker 00

  Woody Harrelson turned down the role of Sam Rockwell, the role that Sam Rockwell played in White Lotus.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did hear that.

• 44:15Speaker 00

  Know that, yeah. Do you know that Kate Hudson turned down the role of the devil wears Prada?

• 44:18Speaker 01

  No, of who, Emily Blunt or, or your friend Anne?

• 44:22Speaker 00

  No, Anne, my friend.

• 44:23Speaker 01

  Oh, I loved, I could watch that movie over and over and over again.

• 44:28Speaker 00

  And I ha, oh my God, I read this thing the other day, it really made me laugh. Hold on, I'll get it. I read this, so it's always fun when you hear about a star turning down a role and then they kind of regret it. You know, it's a little bit of behind the scenes information, it's like kind of a bit of juice, but a tea.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:41Speaker 00

  Did you know James Gandolfini, James Gandolfini?

• 44:45Speaker 01

  Love him.

• 44:46Speaker 00

  From Sopranos.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  Sopranos, yeah.

• 44:47Speaker 00

  Was briefly in talks for the role of Jack in Titanic, but producers felt his intense presence shifted the tone. One exec said, it stopped feeling like a tragic love story and started feeling like the iceberg out of money.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  I mean, I wouldn't have him down for that role.

• 45:05Speaker 00

  No, I know. I mean, if that's true or not, I don't know. The internet, God only knows. I've lost, I've, I've, I understand. I'm the most gullible person in the world. I posted a photo of a mantis the other day, which, now in fairness, it was very exotic looking. It turned out it was AI. I thought there was reels. I thought they had to identify it as AI. I thought that was the law. And I did a quick scope and it was, I love a pop of colour. It had all these like pink kind of feathers coming out of it and stuff. People were like, ugh. I was like, I'm sorry. I just want to believe the world.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  Do you know, the one with the polar bear and they're like scraping barnacle things like off the polar bear? I was like, that's amazing. And then Svenny was like, that's AI. Gets me every, I sure, I believe the giraffe was climbing on the other giraffe's neck. I'm like, stop publishing shit like that. It's not good for us.

• 45:59Speaker 00

  I thought it had to be labelled AI. I thought that was the real, I thought that was the law. Anyway, I, I no longer trust myself. So James Ganglafini might have had nothing to ever do with the Titanic. Fake news, probably. Who cares? It's fun.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  I am actually going to get a picture of you beside the Statue of Liberty. I'm going to get that made today.

• 46:18Speaker 00

  Please do. And if you could put me up the Empire State Building as well, that'd be great.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  And I'm going to get a selfie stick in your hand. You're just holding a selfie stick, trying to get you in a picture.

• 46:29Speaker 00

  Today's my last day in New York and I could go to the Empire State Building and, or go to Ellis Island. Or I'm on Kanastia where they sell the fake handbags. So you can, that's clearly where I'm going to go. I'm off to get myself a load of fake Louis.

• 46:41Speaker 01

  There's, I'm still getting all those mails. I have a Hermes factory in.

• 46:44Speaker 00

  So am I. Why are you, are you getting them as well?

• 46:47Speaker 01

  Oh, and how many sex cam ones are you getting? Oh my God.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  I have this lad fucking sending me the most revolting. I haven't blocked him yet because I find them quite entertaining.

• 47:01Speaker 00

  We have to get a thrill somewhere. How dare you. See you tomorrow.

• 47:05Speaker 01

  A compliment's a compliment, but it's like the dirtiest shit I've ever read. I'm like, wow, that's impressive. Are you still looking about something to tell us?

• 47:14Speaker 00

  So you guys, I'm reading, reading this thread, this Twitter thread about name a celebrity that has blocked you and why. And they're so funny. If anyone else would like to contribute and email us in with the celebrity that's blocked them and why. I have blocked, I've blocked, I'll block if I feel the need, if I feel it's required.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  I'll, I'll block for, I'll block for minimal shit. When I'm having a day of I'm not taking any more shit, then I will block for minimal.

• 47:40Speaker 00

  For mental peace.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:41Speaker 00

  But if a celebrity has blocked you and why, please email in. The email address is hello at mtgmpod.com. We'd love to hear them.

• 47:49Speaker 01

  How do I find out who I've been blocked by? Or can I?

• 47:51Speaker 00

  I don't think you can. I guess it's only if you, you'd have to just go through every celebrity in the world and see if they come up here in Insta.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Before we let you go, Joanne is going on tour. You are finished now, Joanne. Penile File is ready to go. You're going on tour like next week.

• 48:05Speaker 00

  Penile File starts next Saturday. The day has finally come. And I'm so glad I did this run of shows in Brooklyn as well. It's been so much fun. And your tour, your book tour.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  So yes, I'm doing my book tour, 26th of May, Bicker Street and 27th of May in Union Chapel in London. So please come if you're around, I'd love to see you.

• 48:23Speaker 00

  All my tickets are on sale at joannemcnally.com and I have European dates and UK, Ireland, all over, everywhere. Berlin and Amsterdam and Oslo and.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  joannemcnally.com and my book tour and my link for my book is on my Instagram.