Pod Insights My Therapist Ghosted Me Pig Brain, Bob Dylan & Harry Redknapp's Boots About this episode Well, if you didn't already know... Vogue's stay in the jungle came to an end this week, but if you saw any of it, you'll know she did amazingly well. Finally reunited (after a tearful phone call), Vogue & Joanne have a lot to discuss. What was it really like? Do cockroaches smell? Was it REALLY a pig's brain??
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0:45 Speaker 02 Hello and welcome to My Therapist Goes With Me with me, Vogue Williams and she, Joanne McNally.
0:52 Speaker 03 She's home.
1:01 Speaker 03 Well, well, well.
1:04 Speaker 03 Well, well, Wellington. The royal adjacent jungle customer is how I'm describing it. You're not the Queen, but you did very fucking well. You're royal adjacent, once again, Vogue Williams.
1:21 Speaker 02 Well, I mean.
1:22 Speaker 03 Vogue, I'm not finished yet.
1:23 Speaker 02 Sorry, sorry, sorry.
1:25 Speaker 03 Has brought great shame to the pot. No, I'm joking.
1:30 Speaker 02 And to my family and friends.
1:32 Speaker 03 And we are humiliated, mortified, disappointed, appalled. I've been in crisis PR for 48 hours trying to figure out how to handle this situation. I'm only messing. Vogue, you fucking smashed it. Well done. And can I just say, on behalf of all of us, your abs were the main event.
1:50 Speaker 02 Thank you very much.
1:52 Speaker 03 You're welcome. And winning 11 stars in the agility.
1:54 Speaker 02 I'm sorry, let's not forget the, let's not forget the 12 stars. I won my first 12.
1:58 Speaker 03 Sorry, was that, was that not the agility course?
2:00 Speaker 02 No, that was the snakes.
2:02 Speaker 03 Sorry, I was like, she's really leaning into her Crufts era with the agility course. I was like, she is, I've never seen anything like it.
2:11 Speaker 02 My ribs, my ribs, everything, my face.
2:14 Speaker 03 God, where do we even start? Now, I'd like to say for, for the interest of our listeners, I've already had a private conversation with Vogue where I got some intimate details about the jungle that we can't publicly say.
2:28 Speaker 02 I think I can go, I think I can go a bit further than I did with the press. There's nobody here monitoring me.
2:33 Speaker 03 There's no one listening, there's no one listening to us. Just remember that.
2:37 Speaker 02 When I first came out of the jungle, heavily monitored.
2:40 Speaker 03 Yes.
2:41 Speaker 02 Press people, couple of press people around me. Don't say this, don't say that. Well, that's out the window.
2:48 Speaker 03 We are uncensored.
2:52 Speaker 03 Our favourite piece, our favourite way to be. Like, okay, is there anything you would like to start out by saying, or do you want me to just?
3:00 Speaker 02 So I went, I went, I went in, I went in late, which probably made it a little bit harder. And then when I watched some of the footage back, I was like, oh my God, they were a bit annoyed that we'd come in. But there's always a couple of latecomers. And it wasn't my choice to go in late, they just kind of chose me. And I was thrilled at the time because obviously I've got more time with the kids and I was delighted. And I still am delighted because it just meant I was away for less time.
3:26 Speaker 02 Like, I was in there, I think I left on day 13. And although I was ready to leave, obviously I would have stayed longer. But, John, you know what I'm like. I'm not, I, I was, I was myself in there. And the messiness just, I just, when I saw the rats, when we were told there were rats in camp, and I was like, please, please, can we wash the stuff?
3:49 Speaker 03 But were the rats put in there on purpose? Or are they just organically living their lives in there?
3:55 Speaker 02 John, I was in a jungle. There were rats lived there. There were rats, there were opossums. We found a snake that they had to get rid of. And they don't let you near them because a lot of them are venomous. There was this massive iguana, like, I'd never seen anything so big. It was like a metre and a half long, climbing up trees and stuff. And so it was full, full jungle.
4:15 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:15 Speaker 02 Like, I think, I don't think I thought it would be as hard as it was. Because people are like, compared to Bear Grylls. And I'm like, I think it was harder. Because Bear Grylls, first of all, I had no family. It was just me. So I was like, as much as I missed everyone else at home, I didn't miss them as much as I missed them this time round.
4:34 Speaker 03 Sorry, I know what you mean. You'd no husband and kids at the time. Yeah, gosh.
4:37 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just.
4:40 Speaker 03 Amber and Sandra will be delighted to hear.
4:42 Speaker 02 Fuck Amber and Sandra.
4:44 Speaker 03 You'd absolutely no family.
4:47 Speaker 02 I went in an orphan.
4:48 Speaker 03 Yeah, an orphan child.
4:52 Speaker 03 Nobody gave a shit if I lived or died.
4:55 Speaker 02 No, no one on the outside.
5:00 Speaker 02 But this, I was like, it's hard. So you land in Australia and I got picked up by somebody. I swear I never, I, well, when I say I was looked after, I mean, I could say I did it for the flights alone, to be honest. But they got me ground transportation. So like, you know, when you see those people in the buggies and I'm like, how do they get those buggies? And I thought it was for people who like couldn't get from gate to gate. There I am, lady muck, sitting in one of the buggies, just flying by.
5:32 Speaker 03 Are they not? Were you sitting? Now, I'm always interested to know because I always make eye contact with the people who are on the back of the buggies facing out towards us. And they always look a little bit embarrassed. Did you make eye contact on the way or did you keep your eyes, kept the glasses on?
5:44 Speaker 02 I had to keep the eyes down. I had to.
5:46 Speaker 03 Very rock and roll. At least you were going at full speed. I've seen them kind of creeping along and you're like, dude, you could have walked it.
5:54 Speaker 02 In Dubai airport, you get knocked over by a buggy. It seems to be your own fault and they just, they stop for no one. So landed in Brisbane at like 10 o'clock at night and I got collected and then they take your phone off you. And I.
6:08 Speaker 03 Well.
6:09 Speaker 02 Didn't bring, listen, there's many things I've learned in the jungle. One of them is I need to stop being such a geek. And I need to stop following rules so closely because rules are for losers. That's what the rules are for.
6:21 Speaker 03 Didn't Gillian McKeat mule a load of turmeric in when she went in? Do you remember she, she made special knickers for herself and stitched a load of like salt, pepper, turmeric, cinnamon, loads of spices and all in her, well, in her crotch.
6:36 Speaker 02 To have a, to have a couple of boxes of malts and salt. My knickers are probably bigger than hers as well. So I would have put a couple of boxes in there. Like I miss salt, but you get in the car, they take your phone away.
6:48 Speaker 03 I've said it before and I'll say it again, reality TV. Going on like you're going into witness protection is one of the weirdest things about the whole thing.
6:56 Speaker 02 I think a lot of it is quite, like, it's mentally tough and it's physically tough because mentally you're, you never know what time it is.
7:05 Speaker 03 Oh.
7:05 Speaker 02 You never know what, where you're going because you're always covered up. So your head's covered when you leave the camp.
7:11 Speaker 03 It's so weird. Like, what, it's, it's like Guantanamo Bay. Like, it's supposed to be just a bit of crack.
7:16 Speaker 02 It is, it is crack.
7:18 Speaker 03 Why do they take themselves so seriously?
7:22 Speaker 02 It actually, but it kind of adds to it because it makes it that little bit harder because, but then again, you're kind of like, like, I just assumed that it would, I don't know, I should have spoken to more people before I went in. But anyway, you go in, but you're eating so little and if I see a bean or a bit of rice again, I'll pass away and die.
7:42 Speaker 03 Does this mean the Heinz collab is done and dusted?
7:46 Speaker 02 Well, Heinz have been on already. They're like, we're very sad. We're very sad to hear you said you wouldn't eat beans anymore. Can we send you a package?
7:56 Speaker 03 I was thinking, yeah, they need to send some apology beans. Like, it's not their fault. You were waterboarded with beans all day and night in the jungle. Also, Heinz just do ketchup.
8:05 Speaker 02 And they weren't the Heinz.
8:05 Speaker 03 You could do, oh, very well, very diplomatic there, Vogue. You were like, if they were Heinz, I could have eaten them all day. Hashtag Adam.
8:12 Speaker 02 If they were Heinz, I would have been absolutely delighted with myself, but uh...
8:18 Speaker 03 So I have a question. I don't interrupt your flow, but I do need to ask you before you move on.
8:22 Speaker 02 I'd rather you ask me questions because I'm going to forget stuff.
8:24 Speaker 03 Fine. So you said to me that when you landed in Australia, that you still had to keep up the facade, that you were just there for personal or business reasons, that it was nothing to do with Celebrity Jungle, and that if you were stopped, you had to say you got a, you'd gotten a roll in Home and Away.
8:37 Speaker 02 I was either going to say, I got a roll in Home and Away, or I'm going to swim at sharks or something like that.
8:42 Speaker 03 Yeah. So you weren't asked that?
8:45 Speaker 02 No, because there was no paps at the airport when I landed because I don't think that they knew when we were landing.
8:49 Speaker 03 Got it.
8:49 Speaker 02 So we just went straight to the hotel and then we had, um, three days in the hotel. But jeez, the jet lag when you get here. And that, I think... Caused me problems when I went in. So I went in and, uh, and I couldn't sleep. So the first night, I think I slept for like two hours.
9:04 Speaker 03 Oh.
9:06 Speaker 02 I know you're on all day. Now, in fairness, you're sleeping, so your bed situation is just like, just as like, you saw the beds, they're not great. But I actually slept really well towards the end. But, um, the first night I went in, I only got like a couple of hours sleep. The next night I was slightly better, but not really. And then we went out in a night trial, the one where I got all the cockroaches and cricket's pawed on me. Cockroach is not so bad. I cannot describe this now.
9:31 Speaker 03 My, I had a little routine where I would do my show and then I would come home in the evening, go back to my hotel, order loads of room service, and then put on celeb and watch you gargle pig vagina juice. And the gagging, Vogue, the gagging. This is what I've realised about this year's version of The Jungle. I was like, why does it look so hard this year? Now, obviously I had skin in the game, you being the skin.
9:55 Speaker 02 Yeah.
9:55 Speaker 03 So I was obviously watching it through different eyes. But then I did a little bit of Googling, and I don't know if this is true or false, this is my opinion. I think they've cut the budget on The Jungle and I think they've stopped making the, yeah, yeah. No, I don't mean, I don't mean, I don't mean you guys. I don't mean that on the talent. That's not what I mean. I mean, that would be an incredibly cruel way to start this piece. No, but they've, they've cut the, they've cut the budget and they've stopped making those really intricate underground. Remember they used to have all these in underground layers and they'd stick you through pipes and all? Because I'd say they cost a lot of money to make and that's why there was so much of the overground drinking rotten shit. I think it's cheaper to do that. And I think that's why you're all gagging so much.
10:40 Speaker 02 The why they did the drinking one is because they haven't done a live trial in three years. And to try and set up a live trial for everybody to do together, they had to do something that'd be quick.
10:50 Speaker 03 Oh.
10:52 Speaker 02 Yeah.
10:52 Speaker 03 I see. Okay, I see. What were those liquids? What were they really, I wonder? Because they looked, everyone like, I can't, I, I will, I have nightmares of you and Kelly brought gagging in my face. It was gross.
11:02 Speaker 02 Mine, mine was fermented fish and fish eyes.
11:06 Speaker 03 Shut the fuck up.
11:07 Speaker 02 And actually, I swear to God. And then when I started puking, I was like, Jesus Christ, I can taste it again. And I was like, oh. And then all day long, when I burped, it was just fish. I was like, oh my God.
11:19 Speaker 03 Disgusting.
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12:01 Speaker 02 I had to leave a shop today because I went shopping and I was like, I swear to God, I think I smell cockroaches and I had to leave because it's haunting me.
12:11 Speaker 02 The pig brain that I had to eat, Jack said to me, because he really does know everything about everything in the juggle. He was like, that's about 700 calories. And I was like, great. I was like, maybe I won't be hungry.
12:23 Speaker 03 There's no way it was real pig's brain.
12:26 Speaker 02 It was real pig's brain. It was a real brain.
12:30 Speaker 03 Folks, I just hope you get a chat show the size of Ricky Lake after this because my God, you fucking deserve it. I don't know.
12:37 Speaker 02 I'm married because I don't know if I'd get a husband after it, to be honest.
12:41 Speaker 03 Well, I don't know. The gagging, men probably find that quite hot. There's a lot of photos of you gagging on the internet now. I'd say there's men happily having a gal with themselves watching you gag. Oh, God. I have questions.
12:53 Speaker 02 Okay.
12:54 Speaker 03 H and Shona.
12:55 Speaker 02 Yes.
12:56 Speaker 03 Real or fro-mans?
12:59 Speaker 02 I, you see, I'm trying to be very politically correct in talking about them because I do think that they got on very well, but I don't know if it's anything romantic because I don't know if either of them are in that situation to get into anything romantic.
13:15 Speaker 03 What are you suggesting? What are you suggesting, Vogue? Just spit it out.
13:19 Speaker 02 I'm not suggesting anything. I'm not suggesting anything.
13:20 Speaker 03 Fro-mans.
13:21 Speaker 02 I'm sure that I'm sure that they will talk about when they come out, but I don't think that I don't like there was nothing like romantic about them in there. Well, I tell you a couple of things that people don't know.
13:32 Speaker 03 Yeah, tell, tell us some stuff people don't know. Give us the inside scoop.
13:37 Speaker 02 So you have to wash your own clothes. So you wash your clothes, there's like this bath and two people have to sit on a bike. And this water flows into the bath. So two people sit on a bike and cycle while somebody else gets the water flowing. So we stopped doing that quite early on. So we were just trying to wash our shit in the shower. And you just use like washing up soap because you get like washing up soap, you get shampoo and conditioner, but really bad ones. Because it has to be like, because it's going back into the water system there, it has to be really natural.
14:05 Speaker 03 Natural.
14:05 Speaker 02 And then you get your little.
14:06 Speaker 03 Our worst nightmare, natural products.
14:11 Speaker 03 Can I get something that works?
14:14 Speaker 02 There was a couple of times I went up, so you go up and you ask Kristoff, and I'm like, any chance could I get some leave in conditioner?
14:21 Speaker 03 A bit of kerastase, guys, if you don't mind.
14:26 Speaker 02 Would you have a nail file? No.
14:30 Speaker 03 Do you know what, actually, someone actually messaged me saying, Vogue's biting her nails in there a lot. Is she okay? And I was like, sadly, I actually can't communicate with her, but.
14:38 Speaker 02 Well, those people were like, she looks sad. But the thing about it is you're filmed all day long. There are so many cameras in the camp. And like, I don't walk around smiling all day long, every day, but I was genuinely quite happy in there. I did have one incident.
14:57 Speaker 02 Because you know, I'm such a, like, I'm just crazy about my sleep. And if I don't sleep, I get anxious and that's why I worry so much about my sleep. So I didn't sleep that night. Then we went out and did the trial another night with the, with the cockroaches. And then I was like, right, I'm not going to sleep now tonight. I'm not going to sleep. And I started having an absolute meltdown, like just lying there being like, please sleep, please sleep, sleep. And I had to go up to the BT, so it's the Telegraph where you go up and do all the chats. And I was like, I started like having a panic attack and I was like, please. And I was like, don't show this because everyone will see how mental I am.
15:29 Speaker 02 Like having a complete, like, complete, I couldn't control it. Like, I just went into full panic mode. And they're actually so nice when that happens because they're like, you're okay, it's fine, don't worry. Like, and they're trying to like, just talk you through it and stuff like that. And then the next day I, I was like, I need to talk to Sandra, who is the psych.
15:49 Speaker 03 Oh.
15:50 Speaker 02 So she, because I was so panicked that night because I just, my anxiety just then hit like ninety. And I was like, I just need to like, I have to get rid of this. This is really bad, blah, blah, blah, blah. Went and spoke to her and then I, and she just completely, I was like, do you do therapy in London? Because she was so good and she just completely like reset me and then like for that whole day, I was like this, I'm actually totally fine now. I don't know what she did, but just the way she kind of talked me through loads of stuff and, and like, I was only talking to her for about half an hour. And I just was like, okay, reset, panic, stations over. And I didn't really have really bad anxiety at that time, thank you.
16:26 Speaker 03 I like, I like that they have a duty of care now in reality TV. There was a time where you would just be left flipping and flopping and nothing and no one would have given a shit. Like, do you remember back, do you remember like when they didn't, there was no kind of mental health help on these shows? I watched Kinga shove a wine bottle up herself in Big Brother. And no one stepped in at any point and went Kinga.
16:50 Speaker 02 I was only thinking of it that like two weeks ago, I swear to God.
16:53 Speaker 03 Are you sure this is your best foot forward? No one said a thing.
16:57 Speaker 02 So not only did they not say anything, they aired it.
17:00 Speaker 03 Of course they aired it. Now, I'd like to think if you'd kind of started behaving that way, that by the time you got up to the top of the label, they would have been like, well, we're gonna interrupt here and say.
17:12 Speaker 02 Put the, put the toothbrush down.
17:13 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Put the toothpaste down, please. No, it had to be something larger and more absurd.
17:18 Speaker 02 Well, we had this little toothbrush, toothbrush container as well. So that probably could have worked. But there are rules in the jungle. And one of the rules would be you're not allowed to pull away yourself. Like you can't just be under your covers like having a go.
17:30 Speaker 03 I couldn't think of anything worse. Like, why would you? Like, what, you're already in there for like four days. Like, get your shit together. Like, if I, if you, I, I, I, no, come on now, we can all contain ourselves. Unless you're aroused by the fucking fowl and the snakes, you'd be grand.
17:49 Speaker 03 And even the fact that that, for actually, no, I've completely changed my mind. You should be entitled to do that if you want to relax. How could I help you sleep without having a
17:56 Speaker 02 I mean, just sitting there and everyone around me, like, do you think that's fair and everyone else when you're having a little go at yourself in the jungle?
18:02 Speaker 03 But you're in Love Island, they're riding each other in the beds.
18:05 Speaker 02 Well, they don't like that in the jungle. There's no riding in the jungle. Okay, Joanne? So that's why I said when they said, would Joanne do it? I said, no, she wouldn't because she likes riding in the jungle.
18:14 Speaker 03 I do indeed. I'm an outdoor gal.
18:17 Speaker 03 I've been to skates for years. I, I, I didn't ride indoors for the first 10 years of my sexual life.
18:25 Speaker 02 And so was your right.
18:27 Speaker 03 And as is my right. Yeah. It's like, unless I'm touching grass, it's not happening, pal.
18:31 Speaker 02 I need to be grounded.
18:33 Speaker 03 I did a press call because I was, well, I was, I did, I added an arena while you were, while you were relaxing. While you were relaxing in the jungle, Vauke.
18:42 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah. Really relaxing. Yeah. Okay.
18:43 Speaker 03 You were relaxing yourself. But we did, I did a press call for the day in the three arena and I was speaking to the, you know, the evokes and the goss and the herd allies and stuff. And you know, these rooms, you go in and you're, you're kind of doing like back to back interviews. And it started, and there was obviously a lot of chat about you because you were in the jungle at the time. And the start, they were, the first interview, they were asking me, would I do it? And I said, no. But by the time I got to the end of the table, I was like, I'd love to do it. I've changed my mind completely. Because I, I talked myself into doing it. But then the more I watched of you, I said, do you know what? I actually don't think I would, even though I do think of myself as an ex-skate. I don't think I would.
19:20 Speaker 02 Yeah. When I was in there, I said, Joanne, this isn't for Joanne. I did think that on numerous occasions. I was like, she just wouldn't like this. You like your comforts a lot and I like my comforts a lot, but you're like, you miss, you miss so many things in there. And the food is like, it doesn't taste like anything. So even when you get one of those meals, like, I don't know, kangaroo arse. Like it's, it's just, you kind of wish it would just taste like something, just anything. But it's all just, like, we got cabbage once and we were like, oh my God, that actually tastes like something. It was such a treat.
19:51 Speaker 03 Anyone else, was anyone in there not getting on? Was there any, anyone scrapping?
19:56 Speaker 02 Now, I didn't see any scrapping.
19:59 Speaker 02 But I did hear some whispers.
20:03 Speaker 02 Amongst amongst I can't say who I'm not saying who but there were a couple of people but it was only like it's little words that would seem like big words in there do you know what I mean like oh well he told me not to do that or she she was like this to me and like there was only a couple of a couple of things like that but like it never was anything that would upset the camp I think everybody was just like kind of really cool and even the thing with the cup but me and me and ginger like I think that that was that wasn't like as big as it was I don't think on TV it was just like come on just like do the washing up that's your chore you have to do that and I was a chore whore so I did all the chores because I actually really enjoyed seeing them but I'm a neat freak and you can't really be a neat freak in the jungle.
20:46 Speaker 03 Also you're trying to kill time in there it should not have been.
20:49 Speaker 02 Yeah.
20:53 Speaker 03 Remember when I said I put on an arena?
20:55 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
20:55 Speaker 03 December 12th 2026 that's also very important it is not 2025 it is 2026.
21:01 Speaker 02 Oh imagine all the people that are just gonna show up in 2025 to one they're gonna show up it doesn't matter it doesn't matter what you say here I'm gonna be there on December 6th 2025.
21:11 Speaker 03 It's December 12th.
21:12 Speaker 02 12.
21:14 Speaker 03 I don't know who's on.
21:15 Speaker 02 Well I just set up camp.
21:16 Speaker 03 Just set up camp I I think I said I think it was I thought it was um your man Dylan what's his face? What's your man's name Bob Dylan he's doing the rounds he's on the he's on the.
21:28 Speaker 02 Bob Dylan's dead.
21:33 Speaker 03 Hold on let's fact check this immediately.
21:36 Speaker 03 Who the fuck?
21:36 Speaker 02 Bob Dylan is dead like ages ago he died.
21:41 Speaker 03 Is still alive.
21:49 Speaker 03 You're like me with David Attenborough I keep thinking David Attenborough's passed away.
21:53 Speaker 02 Well why does he have a movie about him I thought that was because he was dead.
21:57 Speaker 03 Did you think he was dead?
21:59 Speaker 01 Dylan or villain?
22:00 Speaker 03 Dylan.
22:02 Speaker 02 Oh my god. No, he's still alive. Why does everyone think he's dead?
22:06 Speaker 03 Hold on a second now.
22:07 Speaker 02 Luisa just goes behind me, Bob Marley's dead. We know that. Or is he?
22:13 Speaker 03 It's Bob. It's Bob Dylan. Bob Dylan has been on tour behind me for the last three months.
22:19 Speaker 02 Oh my god, I'm really looking at tickets to that.
22:21 Speaker 03 So he was on in the INAC in Killarney the night after I was on and apparently he doesn't like come into the house. Like he doesn't, you know the way we'd be backstage in the green room, in the dressing room, milling around, blah, blah, blah, doing sound checks? He does nothing. He walks from his tour bus in the side entrance, onto the stage, does his bits and bobs, back onto the bus and he's gone. Mad.
22:41 Speaker 02 I need to re, I need to just, I need to just reset for a second because that is really shocking.
22:47 Speaker 03 We're sorry to break the news to you though, but Bob Dylan is alive. I hope you're okay.
22:54 Speaker 02 Dead years. Not just recently dead, dead alone.
22:59 Speaker 03 Sorry for your gain as opposed to sorry for your loss.
23:03 Speaker 02 Well, I'm looking forward to the gig.
23:05 Speaker 03 I thought he was due December 12th this year and I was like, well, if he rings in sick, I'll go in and play to his audience, which I'm sure they would be absolutely delighted. But I don't know who's in on the 12th with someone else. Anyway, I'm next year, 2026.
23:15 Speaker 02 Oh my god, I must go and see him. Now I have to go and see him. Wait till I tell Neil. Neil's a big fan.
23:20 Speaker 03 I'd be delighted to hear his, we've been resuscitated. I, I-
23:23 Speaker 02 I'll tell Neil he's not dead.
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24:01 Speaker 03 I do not know how, but I am somehow involved in a Reddit thread about David Attenborough's non-death. I get notifications every day saying, David Attenborough has passed, McDonald's. He remains alive. And it's this constant gags about the fact that he's not dead, but every time I get a little jump scare because I think he's, yeah, it's actually really funny.
24:22 Speaker 03 Where are all the stars? Do you get to bring them home, like your teeth after you get them removed?
24:25 Speaker 02 They did give me three stars for the kids, so I could give them one star each, which I thought was very kind. They're nice, they're sound.
24:31 Speaker 03 We had, there was the same with Taskmaster, we kept some of the tasks, do you know, like for, you know, the way they come, yeah. You gotta, you gotta like take a little memento.
24:39 Speaker 02 I took a few little jungle, like clothes bits as well, just to keep, just a couple of things.
24:44 Speaker 03 Yeah, but they can hardly strip you of your outfit the second you get out.
24:47 Speaker 02 No, like they gave it to me, but like I don't want to take, I don't, I never want to see the boots again, so I'm not taking them.
24:51 Speaker 03 Fair enough.
24:53 Speaker 02 And they're like, I got them and they're like two sizes too big and they were like embarrassingly large. I think they used to flunk to Harry Redknapp.
25:02 Speaker 03 Excuse me.
25:10 Speaker 03 I think you were very brave to give them your real foot measurements, Vogue. Fair play.
25:18 Speaker 02 Harry Redknapp has small feet.
25:21 Speaker 03 Oh yeah, you're throwing it back on Harry now, are you?
25:25 Speaker 02 Well, if it's me or Harry, I'm choking.
25:29 Speaker 03 Just spread it around. FYI, he's a eunuch. Let that spread there now. That's why.
25:35 Speaker 02 Tiny little feet and little hands.
25:40 Speaker 03 Oh. Oh God. Vogue, tell me, Ruby Wax, are we meeting her again? Is she in our gang? Is she not?
25:49 Speaker 02 Ruby Wax in our gang. I can't believe she's out. Oh, I did a spoiler on my Instagram and everyone was raging. Ruby's out, did you not know that?
25:55 Speaker 03 Sorry, I did. When I say, it feels like they're throwing out three a day at this point, like.
26:00 Speaker 02 Well, there is going to be a double eviction soon and we knew that that was coming up, so there'll be a double soon.
26:04 Speaker 03 Okay.
26:05 Speaker 02 But Ruby's out, yeah, fifth out and yeah, we will definitely be being friends with Ruby. She's really sound.
26:09 Speaker 03 Fantastic.
26:10 Speaker 02 Yeah, much like you would have been in the jungle, I think. You would have.
26:13 Speaker 03 Friends with Ruby, yeah, yeah, yeah.
26:15 Speaker 02 Yeah. Did you see about Spence's race?
26:18 Speaker 03 No, what?
26:20 Speaker 02 Well, it's not a race really. It's his, he's doing his seven triathlons. So he's doing his seven triathlons in, in the seven continents. He's currently in Antarctica and he's about to start the marathon, which is the final part. And if he does this on time, he's going to break a world record.
26:37 Speaker 03 What?
26:38 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah.
26:39 Speaker 03 Jesus Christ. The sooner that man goes back on the booze, the better.
26:43 Speaker 02 I know, but the press were trying to do that thing, why isn't Spencer in Australia? He's literally in Antarctica.
26:49 Speaker 03 Sorry. Well, I one night got very emotional and because I, so the problem with the bridge, and this, I really do think this is a problem with the Jungle Bridge.
26:58 Speaker 02 Yeah.
26:59 Speaker 03 To be on that bridge, to meet the person coming out, it's basically three weeks of your working life that you have to be in Australia, correct?
27:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
27:07 Speaker 03 Yeah. You have to fly out at the start, you have to be there when you go in because you don't know at what point you're going to come out and you have to be there the whole time. And that's why a lot of these people, their management end up meeting them because A, we're usually best friends, their management anyway, let's be real. And two, no, that doesn't come after A. B, they have to have the freedom to work from out there. Now, obviously, I would have loved to been on the bridge. I'm on tour. Amber would have loved to be on the bridge. She has, she has an actual job, do you know what I mean?
27:36 Speaker 02 Yeah. All my friends, all my friends have jobs or kids, so nobody could come out. And it's two weeks on your own. So it's two weeks on your own. Now it is a lovely hotel and everything like that, but you're on your own and you're, you're just kind of waiting. So I actually couldn't ask anyone. And poor Luisa, she kind of had to do it. She's here with me now. She's desperate to go off.
27:55 Speaker 03 I drunkenly texted Luisa one night because I was having an emotional moment. So I was like, when's the bridge? I'll go. I'll fly. I'll do a 24 hour turnaround and I'll be back in time for the show in Castle Bar. And she was like, we don't know, do you know what I mean? We don't know when she's coming out. And it's, you know, she's just saying.
28:16 Speaker 03 Have we covered all our jungle business?
28:18 Speaker 02 I think, I think we've covered all the jungle business. Oh, one thing. So when you come out, you have to do interviews and I never really like saying stuff like when something is misprinted.
28:30 Speaker 03 I know. Oh, it's a nightmare.
28:32 Speaker 02 But not once ever did I say that I blamed the fact that the Irish couldn't vote. I was asked a question and the question was, do you think the fact that the Irish couldn't vote caused you a problem? And I said, well, I, I wouldn't really know. Like I don't, I don't know any difference to what the way the show was. I knew what the show was when I was going in. And then they put that as the headline, the journalist question as the headline, like I'd said it and I hadn't said it and they wouldn't take it down. So I would just like to clear that up. I am in no way a sore loser.
29:07 Speaker 03 But it was, I mean, it is, it does, you know, have an impact for sure. If your own country can't get behind you, it's racist.
29:16 Speaker 03 Literally the definition of racism.
29:20 Speaker 03 Well, and just so you know, I did three shows in Belfast while you were relaxing in the jungle in the waterfront hall. And on two of them, I asked them to vote for you.
29:29 Speaker 02 So you're the problem.
29:30 Speaker 03 Because they were a bit sleepy.
29:31 Speaker 02 But I, you didn't do it for the third one. That's my mate. That's your fault. Thanks a lot for nothing. You couldn't wait till like a night. You just couldn't let me have my moment.
29:39 Speaker 03 I tried to rally Northern Ireland folk. I tried to organise a bus to get all the women from Dublin to drive up to Belfast so we could go in the piss for the day and vote if you can drive back down. I did my best.
29:50 Speaker 02 You did a very good job and I loved your letter.
29:53 Speaker 03 Oh, you liked my letter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was thinking, there was a moment in time where I was like, maybe they will read out my letter, you know, a bit of crack. And then when I saw your emotional reaction to hearing Samantha's voice, I was like, can you imagine how upset she would have been if they'd actually played mine? Over her husband's.
30:10 Speaker 02 Honestly, I was like, I wonder, I wonder who's gonna write me the letter. And then for a brief moment, because I was so desperate to hear how the kids were and how spending was, for a brief moment, I was like, what if they've gotten Joanne to write one and she won't even mention them? And I won't know how anyone is.
30:27 Speaker 03 We're so lucky they went with your husband because I would only be, I would have been dying to have my letter read out. And then I would have had to have watched you sob with sadness with every line.
30:40 Speaker 02 What about the kids, Joanne? Tell me about the kids.
30:43 Speaker 03 Thank you to everyone who has tagged us in your Spotify wrap so far. We really appreciate it.
30:47 Speaker 02 We love them.
30:48 Speaker 03 It's, it's great to be involved. Thank you. Um, I just accidentally shared my, um.
30:55 Speaker 02 Listening age.
30:55 Speaker 03 Podcast. Well, no, I intentionally shared my listening age.
30:59 Speaker 02 Oh, I saw your podcast when I was like, oh, great. No therapist for us there? Not that you'd listen.
31:04 Speaker 03 Well, I don't listen to myself. I'm not a megalomaniac. Um, well, my listening age, I don't know how to take this. I'm a forty two year old woman. My listening age, according to Spotify, is twenty one.
31:18 Speaker 02 John, your music taste is like, I've never, I've walked into your apartment before and I was like, what is she, what is she listening to?
31:26 Speaker 03 But I don't, I'm not a big muse out, but the, my podcast ratings were like, I think that's just my most recent ones. Because I only listened to those series. But those two series, Noble and Wisecrack, I only just listened to them. Like, I've listened to loads of podcast series during the year. I listened to Sea of Lies, which is a true crime one, which I loved. And that had like twelve episodes. I don't really know how they gauge it.
31:50 Speaker 02 Guess what my listening age is?
31:52 Speaker 03 Seventy.
31:53 Speaker 02 Fifty?
31:54 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
31:56 Speaker 02 It doesn't make sense because my, well, now my top song was Anya Echoes in Rain because I went through a real like bad phase of that where I could not stop listening to it. And then this is Halloween, but that is, um, that is, uh, that's because of the kids. But like, it's, a lot of it's because of the kids.
32:15 Speaker 03 My, my, my mate just texted me saying her listening age is eighty three.
32:19 Speaker 02 What? She must be a big Bob Dylan fan. Big Bob Dylan.
32:23 Speaker 03 Yeah. R I P, Bob.
32:28 Speaker 03 God love you. Did you know Voe killed you off years ago, Bob?
32:32 Speaker 02 That's how rumors start.
32:34 Speaker 03 You'd be devastated to hear the news.
32:36 Speaker 02 Oh.
32:37 Speaker 03 My, so, and this is, this, again, I think this is like my most recent, my, my.
32:44 Speaker 02 Do you have your listening hours? Because mine is always unusually high, but I don't go anywhere without listening to music. I constantly have music in my ears so I can understand why mine is what it is.
32:56 Speaker 03 My audiobook.
32:59 Speaker 03 Oh, the one, my top is Deadly Silence. Do you remember the one by Jacqueline Connolly that I listened to, which I've been telling everyone about? I, I, I thoroughly enjoyed it, even though it's kind of.
33:07 Speaker 02 Tell me, what are your listening hours? Did you do listening hours?
33:10 Speaker 03 How do I get into it again?
33:12 Speaker 02 Go on to Spotify and go into Spotify.
33:14 Speaker 03 Wrapped.
33:17 Speaker 03 Spotify Wrapped, yeah. Twenty twenty five and music stories. Okay.
33:21 Speaker 02 Look for your music, your listening hours.
33:24 Speaker 03 Minutes listened.
33:25 Speaker 02 Okay, go on.
33:28 Speaker 03 I think they're, I think they're adding it up now because nothing's happening.
33:32 Speaker 03 Twenty thousand two hundred and tw- two, twenty thousand two hundred and eighty-eight.
33:40 Speaker 02 You're gonna think I'm a psycho. Mine is. A hundred and seventy-four thousand two hundred and ninety-two.
33:50 Speaker 02 I listen to music all the time. I can't stop. I also listen to white noise at night, actually. I listen to white noise at night.
33:58 Speaker 03 Oh, that's where, that's probably where you're cracking a lot of that up then.
34:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, actually, yeah, that is. I did, I did think it was, it was like a hundred and twenty-one days. I'm like, I'm sure I take some time off during the day.
34:09 Speaker 03 Twenty-one days?
34:10 Speaker 02 I know. I do, I, I always listen to music, though I do. I don't like going anywhere alone and.
34:15 Speaker 03 That's a lot of time out of your own thoughts, fair play.
34:18 Speaker 02 I'm never in this head on my own. There's, there's, like, it's never just me.
34:23 Speaker 03 See, I'm, I, I'd say my YouTube listening is, you know, I listen to these weird documentaries to help me fall asleep. So I think you're where I'm clocking up a lot of time on YouTube, I would say. But yeah, I'm not a museo. I'm not a museo. I like voices. I like stories and stuff. I'm not big into music, which is.
34:41 Speaker 02 Well, I'm a big, I'm a big music fan and I'm also really into my books. I'm already back on the books and stuff.
34:48 Speaker 02 What did you miss most, what did you miss most in the jungle? My literature.
34:52 Speaker 03 Fauxconvented books. Do you hear that is?
34:56 Speaker 03 Fauxconvented books.
34:57 Speaker 02 God, it's so nice to be back. I feel like I'm in real life.
35:03 Speaker 03 The books. She loves a bit of book chat.
35:06 Speaker 02 I absolutely do. I can't get enough of the learning.
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35:48 Speaker 03 Do you know what, the Christmas vibe has hit. I am dying for Christmas. I've never been so excited. I don't know why. I feel like it hasn't been Christmas for four years, even though I know it's every year. But I am buzzing.
36:01 Speaker 02 Are you finished working for a little while?
36:03 Speaker 03 I'm finished on the, no, I'm finished on the 12th. Pat's, I'm gonna help Pat put up her Christmas stick later.
36:13 Speaker 03 We're gonna get the stick down, wrap the tree, wrap the lights around it. Hey presto, Christmas has arrived in Pat's.
36:19 Speaker 02 The day's gone, that's it. The whole day's gone doing that.
36:22 Speaker 03 The day will be gone. We'll have the mince pies out.
36:25 Speaker 02 Okay, well, I'm going now. It's bedtime for me. I can't, I'm gonna be home soon. I'll be able to see you next week. And I'm excited for it.
36:34 Speaker 03 We should do one in studio before Christmas. Also, we need to have a Christmas party.
36:38 Speaker 02 I don't know if I wanna have a Christmas party before Christmas, because remember, we did it before Christmas the last time when I got the flu. I can't risk that. If I'm gonna get the flu, I'd rather do it in January.
36:47 Speaker 03 Sorry, you had the flu when we recorded the thing. Do you remember, I was in a boob tube and you were wearing like three duffel coats. And we didn't suspect that there was anything wrong with you at all.
36:56 Speaker 02 I was just like, why is she not cold?
37:00 Speaker 03 You were like shivering in the corner.
37:02 Speaker 02 It was disastrous.
37:04 Speaker 03 There's a flu going around, Covid is back. It's all go. It is all go.
37:08 Speaker 02 I got the flu jab. Don't hate me. I know some people don't like jabs, but I got it and I feel, I feel very comfortable going out and about now. So I'm, I'm protected as much as I can be. Everyone, thank you, by the way, for everyone being so sound when I was in the jungle. I'm still getting messages now and I'm like, it's, it's actually, it's because you do have that fear. You're like, oh my God, I hope everyone likes me when I go out. I was even like, I hope my family still love me. I'm gonna miss my mom.
37:32 Speaker 03 Would you do it again? Would you do it again?
37:35 Speaker 02 I would, yeah. I would.
37:37 Speaker 03 Would, hmm, I don't know if I believe you.
37:40 Speaker 02 Well, do you know what? I, I really, I'm glad I had the experience. I think it was really, it was, it was, it was like, it was like an endurance test in a kind of way. It was really brilliant. I'd love to go back and do it again now. Like just go like reverse time and go and do it again now.
37:59 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:00 Speaker 02 Do you know what I mean? Because I wouldn't want to not do it. Yeah, I wouldn't want to not do it because it is such a great experience and everyone was so nice. Like, there's just everyone, there's 700 people that work on the crew and there's so many nice people. And you're so well looked after and, and like, I've, like, I've just made loads of nice friends. It's, it's, it's great.
38:23 Speaker 03 Who do you think will win?
38:25 Speaker 02 H R G change is gonna win.
38:26 Speaker 03 Okay.
38:27 Speaker 02 Well, now, in fairness, I didn't call Ruby coming out today.
38:31 Speaker 03 Really?
38:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, didn't call that at all. She was famous for me.
38:35 Speaker 03 No offence to Martin Kemp, but how has he survived over Ruby Wax? Has he even done a trial yet?
38:44 Speaker 02 What the fuck? Did you just say, how did he survive over Ruby Wax? Excuse me, what about me, Joanna? You forgot about me pretty quickly.
38:51 Speaker 03 Well, sorry, it did feel like Ruby was going to get to the final, no?
38:56 Speaker 02 I thought Ruby, I thought Ruby was gonna be in the final. Yeah, I definitely thought Ruby was gonna be in the final. He's a really gentle man, but he's quiet.
39:03 Speaker 03 Yeah. Come here, riddle me this, what happened to your leg?
39:08 Speaker 02 Okay, so when we were in the jungle, we were bored, so we were always making up games. And when we got to go out, like when you're going to do a trial or a challenge, you had to cross these bridges. And the bridges were quite bouncy and they were just full metal bridges with like netting along the side. And so we, we were racing ourselves to try and see if we could get our time down. And someone had got 36 seconds, so I was like, I'm gonna run. And so I basically ran and then I tripped and fell on the bridge and I took a big gouge out of my knee. But then when I crossed, there was a doctor there and I went straight to the trial. Straight to the trial.
39:41 Speaker 03 Like a trooper, yeah, like a trooper. Hardcore.
39:47 Speaker 03 You'd be great in the military.
39:48 Speaker 02 No, I don't think, I think, maybe say that to the winner of the show.
39:54 Speaker 03 No, saying it to you.
39:55 Speaker 02 I came in third.
39:57 Speaker 03 You make a bed like a soldier. Like there's, you know what I mean? You're well trained, you run a tight ship, you're military.
40:06 Speaker 02 I think, yeah, I would like that, but I think I prefer this job, so I'll stay here maybe.
40:10 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think so.
40:13 Speaker 02 Everyone, see you later. Thanks a million. Joanne, I love you so much.
40:17 Speaker 03 I love you so much. Welcome home to Australia. You know what I mean?
40:22 Speaker 02 I'll be home next week.
40:24 Speaker 03 Did you plug the, did you plug my Australian tour in the jungle? I didn't hear, I didn't hear any word of it.
40:29 Speaker 02 Joanne, I've been non-stop flyer-ing out there. I'm in the Gold Coast and I'm like flyer-ing up and down the whole time. Everyone gets up at half five in the morning and I'm out there before them at five o'clock with a box of flyers. They know you're coming.
40:40 Speaker 03 Okay, okay.
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40:47 Speaker 03 Also, there's a London Apollo left, still tickets left for the 15th of February, 2026 for my last London Apollo show.
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