MTGM EXTRA! "Rejection..." - With Michelle de Swarte

Michelle stuck around for a bit longer, to hear one of the legendary MTGM emails and it just so happens that both she and Joanne have some experience in this particular area… Tickets for Joanne's tour Pinotphile are now LIVE: www.joannemcnally.com If you’d like to get in touch, you can send an email to [email protected] Please review Global's Privacy Policy: https://global.com/legal/privacy-policy/ For merch, tour dates and more visit: www.mytherapistghostedme.com This episode contains explicit language and adult themes that may not be suitable for all listeners.

• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:32Speaker 01

  This is a Global Player original podcast.

• 0:40Speaker 02

  Welcome to the bonus episode of My Car Bus Goes To Meet With Me, Joanne McNally. And she's back!

• 0:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, baby.

• 0:47Speaker 02

  Michelle DeSward, she's here again!

• 0:49Speaker 03

  Hello.

• 0:50Speaker 02

  Hello!

• 0:50Speaker 03

  Salutations.

• 0:52Speaker 02

  I, just to be clear, we're double recording this because Michelle's a busy bitch. So we haven't seen any more of Fowkes Jungle's story.

• 1:01Speaker 03

  No, but my god, we've got a lot to go on. Do you know what I mean? We've got a lot to go on. She's arrived, she's had chit-chuck that her, it's been horrific to watch. But she's keeping a smile on her face.

• 1:15Speaker 02

  She is. I was gonna go on the Lorraine, I was gonna go on Lorraine to help, I don't know, like rally, but I couldn't do it in the end. Mate, are you gonna go and meet her from the jungle? I'd love to! You've got to! I can't! Why not? Because I'm on tour! Oh, fuck. The bridge thing is a real issue because the person who meets you off the bridge has to be free to go out to Australia for two weeks. So like, most people can't do that. So that's why you see a lot of these celebrities being met by their managers a lot, you know what I mean?

• 1:40Speaker 03

  So you know what, right? There's something they also don't tell you. When you go out there, because you know I did the panel years ago because Jack Osborne had swan flu. Right, so what they don't tell you is if you're on the panel or doing anything like that, that isn't in the jungle, they keep you on British time. They keep you on British time. Girl, you are waking up at like the morning and you're having a steak. And mash. You're having lasagna for breakfast. Like, they keep you on British time. It's mental.

• 2:08Speaker 02

  I remember I was down to the last couple of people to get the voiceover for Love Island Australia.

• 2:14Speaker 03

  Random.

• 2:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then I didn't get it in the end. And Stephen Mullin, who did get it, then Covid happened. So, because usually you fly out to Australia.

• 2:21Speaker 03

  They make you fly out to do it?

• 2:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:24Speaker 03

  For voiceover?

• 2:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. Before Covid, anyway. Yeah, you had to fly out. Yeah.

• 2:28Speaker 03

  No one, no one tell them. Yeah, yeah, I've got to be there in person.

• 2:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:32Speaker 02

  To go up.

• 2:33Speaker 03

  I bring my mic with me.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  But I think loads of people, they would like, I was like, oh yeah, that'd be like, I was kind of wanted to go out. But anyway, Covid happened and they, he was in a hotel room. But he was on Australian time. He was on his own in a hotel room, record. And I was like, I'm actually so glad I didn't get that job.

• 2:47Speaker 03

  It's driving you mental.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. Shitcrack.

• 2:50Speaker 03

  Yeah. I went for them two days. Like, I went and did a gig, one gig over my birthday last month. And I was like, I came back and I was spun out.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:59Speaker 03

  Fuck. Like massively.

• 3:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01Speaker 03

  But Voiceover's great, man.

• 3:02Speaker 02

  I know.

• 3:03Speaker 03

  I love it. It's my, I'm the voice of Deliveroo. It's my favourite job.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's easy because you're just in and out. You can look like a bag of shit if you want. No one cares.

• 3:11Speaker 03

  They prefer.

• 3:13Speaker 02

  They prefer.

• 3:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:14Speaker 02

  And then, but it does get monotonous. Do you ever do so much voiceover work? I remember when I did the voiceover when I was doing the VO for the Furby podcast. And I was like, I actually don't even know how I sound or speak anymore. When you speak so much.

• 3:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:26Speaker 02

  You kind of lose how your, your words are coming out of your mouth.

• 3:28Speaker 03

  I'm always shocked when I, when I hear the adverts come on. Like, I'm like, wow.

• 3:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:34Speaker 03

  That is not how I think I sound.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:36Speaker 03

  Do you know what I mean? But I've got to say as well, being hungover and hearing your own voice say that you should get a burger and chips is.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  Enticing.

• 3:42Speaker 03

  Ah, solid. So, but it feels like an intervention from God. You're just like, but I guess I should then. Wait, you wanted to chat about Azelia Banks. Why? You sent me, you sent me just a WhatsApp going, Azealia Banks. And I was like, what?

• 3:56Speaker 02

  Well, so when I was doing the, I was doing, I'm doing a lot of press at the moment because I'm doing, I'm.

• 4:02Speaker 03

  A fucking arena. Put that up, you fucking fanny old. Shut the fuck up. Don't ever question me. An arena.

• 4:09Speaker 02

  I know, you know yourself, it's a bit, I am.

• 4:11Speaker 03

  No, I don't know myself, Bez. I'm trying to shift the bloody 300 seater in Swindon. You're like, you know yourself.

• 4:16Speaker 02

  You've a load of London shows gone. Yeah, you do know. Also, Michelle was on RuPaul's Drag Race. So anyway, I was doing this and, you know, the, the radio station comes down, you're like talking and talking. And I came out and I was like, I'm so paranoid that I said something, anything about, because a lot, you're like, did I? Because I was saying, oh, you know, I'm ready in time and I've, you know, I, it's, it's, it would be harder if you kind of blew up online and then you're doing big rooms and you're not necessarily ready.

• 4:40Speaker 03

  But you've put the work in, you know your craft, you know what you're doing.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  Anyway, then after you're like, oh my god, fuck, have I, have I pissed off like anyone? I didn't mean it and blah, blah, blah. Anyway, head spinning.

• 4:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:50Speaker 02

  Ruminating, blah, blah, blah. Then I was thinking about Azee, this is why I text you, I'm thinking about Azealia Banks and the amount, like, I'm very conflict averse. She is conflict gagging for it. She, there is no stopping her. She'll do mental tweets. She, she told Ireland, she did a tweet about Ireland and called us all ugly leprechauns, like the whole country. Do you remember that?

• 5:10Speaker 03

  No.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  And then she had that weird interaction with Conor McGregor where she asked him to back her up and then it turns out they were sexting each other anyway.

• 5:16Speaker 03

  Do you remember when she said that Russell Kane, Russell Crowe flobbed on her in a hotel room? He what? No.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  He spat on her in a hotel room.

• 5:25Speaker 03

  What? And I think RZA from the Wu-Tang Clan took her and he was like, after they were like, is this true? And he was like, no, it's not. I took her with me. Ended up being crazy. This is what I love about Azealia Banks, yeah? She said some absolutely horrendous stuff to everybody.

• 5:41Speaker 02

  I'm actually getting the article up.

• 5:42Speaker 03

  And, and, and she is forgiven, right? She, listen.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  Is she now?

• 5:47Speaker 03

  Well, listen, she said the F word about, um, uh, gay men and she then still headlines, I think it was like some sort of gay pride in Miami or whatever. Basically, Azealia Banks, kind of take her as a pinch of salt. She's very like inflammatory, I guess. And I also feel with Azealia Banks, she's massively talented. And like, I feel like Azealia Banks, um.

• 6:12Speaker 03

  Ran so Doja could walk.

• 6:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 6:16Speaker 03

  They're very similar, but you know what I mean, like, as in like the across genres of music, can both sing, also killer lyricists.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:24Speaker 03

  But Azealia Banks is just like, everything's going well and then she's like, I'm gonna blow up this, I'm gonna napalm my life right now.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  She's self sabotaging, is that what she's up to?

• 6:33Speaker 03

  She is, she's unfiltered, she's got, she's got the Kanye Twitter fingers at the ready.

• 6:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, she does.

• 6:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:39Speaker 02

  Banks' penchant for conflict nearly eclipses her bars in the years since her first mixtape dropped in 2012. If, if one thing, she's actually becoming known for her endless list of feuds on and off social media. She hopped, in March 2024, Banks hopped on Instagram to critique the cover and title of Beyonce's album Cowboy Carter. Despite Beyonce herself explaining the meaning behind the project and why she decided to make an entire album in a genre she's only previously dabbled in, Banks weighed in with a litany of assumptions and criticisms, ranging from a lack of creativity to outright ignorance.

• 7:13Speaker 03

  Listen, Azealia Banks here, Azealia Banks talks the way you chat with your friend after two bottles of wine.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  Big time, privately.

• 7:20Speaker 03

  Morning, she brushes her teeth and she's like, I'm gonna get on a public forum and let people know how I really feel, you're like, baby, baby.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  That could stick in this, it's stick, that's for the notes.

• 7:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, but now, yeah, now it's like, it's part of her brand, do you know what I mean?

• 7:33Speaker 02

  I know, it kinda is.

• 7:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's gonna fuck shit up.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're right, she's a disruptor, as they say.

• 7:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  Um, I, I, well, I saw doubt she had a glass rate, it was, it was next level.

• 7:43Speaker 03

  Phenomenal, phenomenal.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  She made everyone else look like they were ringing it in, to be honest.

• 7:47Speaker 03

  This is what I say about press runs, right, because I've done a few.

• 7:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:50Speaker 03

  And I reckon, like, when you're chatting to the press, take your time, there's.

• 7:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:55Speaker 03

  A journalist have got a really good way of staying quiet and they, and us as public speakers wanna fill that time.

• 8:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:03Speaker 03

  We're like, oh, there's an awkward silence, I must fill it with talking gibberish and then before you know it, you're like, ah, I've got stinky fanny and I've got a spoil on the bottom of my back and you're like, what the fuck am I saying?

• 8:12Speaker 02

  I know.

• 8:13Speaker 03

  Do you know what I mean?

• 8:14Speaker 02

  It's like a therapy session, that's why therapists stay quiet, to make you admit that you've got all this shit that you don't have.

• 8:19Speaker 03

  Exactly, so I, I always think, let the awkward silence sit and if you're ever, because I had to do some press training, which HBO paid for. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, media training.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  Go on.

• 8:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, because you're going on a big press run, so they're like, make sure you know how to handle this situation. And I had to sit with someone from, like, who trains you in press, and he was like. If you're asked a question that you're not sure if you wanna answer, have a sip of water. Just like, let the silence sit there. And I, that's why I say, us as public speakers, we're like, silence? No. I will, I will, this is cryptonact to me, I'm gonna keep on talking, it's like, you don't need to, you can let silence sit in the air.

• 9:05Speaker 03

  Listen, Joanne's doing arena, good for her. Now, I've got some tickets to bloody Shift, okay? Where I'm going all around the UK, Swindon, Exeter, Farnham, wherever the fuck that is. Listen, right, this is, I'm telling, look, Joanne's doing arenas, I just need 300 of ya to turn up to Exeter. That's it, a humble, a humble 300. As you will, as you will.

• 9:27Speaker 02

  And I need some, I'm actually got.

• 9:29Speaker 03

  Joanne needs about 30,000 to come.

• 9:34Speaker 02

  If you could rally your mates there.

• 9:36Speaker 03

  Your family tree.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, things have really escalated over this side, and I'm really fucking in a desperate mood now to fucking fill this thing. Cause people are like, oh, congratulations, you're doing arena. I was like, no, no, the congratulations comes, you know what it's like. I'm like, I've just rented it at this point, but at the moment, it is completely empty.

• 9:53Speaker 03

  How it feels, yeah, putting on a show, whatever the size, it feels like, you know when you have a birthday party? And like, you're the, like, you're the first mate to turn up to the party? And you're like, you can see your friends stressing a bit, but you've turned up on time, you know no one else is gonna turn up on time? And so you start dancing really big on the dance floor. And like, you're like, oh, all this space, I love it, I'm having the best time ever. Like, that is the vibe of putting on your own show, you're just like, it feels like a birthday party. You're like, are people gonna come?

• 10:22Speaker 02

  Exactly, yeah.

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• 11:03Speaker 02

  Michelle, would you like to do an email?

• 11:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:07Speaker 03

  Can't wait.

• 11:08Speaker 02

  Okay, so, hello, Joanne and Vogue. In brackets, Michelle. I love listening to you both because you give sound advice. I'm 39 and it feels like my life has hit reverse. Not just a gentle rollback, more like full-on Formula One backwards. I'm job hunting day in and day out and I'm not getting anywhere. I'm mentally done in from applying for jobs, doing interviews and getting rejection after rejection. Oh, it's professional rejection. If there was an Oscars for most rejected woman, I'd win it. I know all the sayings, what's for you, I'll pass you by, trust the timing, blah, blah, blah. But honestly, oh, God, love her. Some days I want to throw my laptop on the floor and say, fuck this for the crack. Have either of you ever gone through a phase where nothing goes right?

• 11:53Speaker 02

  How did you keep going? What did you tell yourselves when everything felt pointless? At this stage, I'm tired of my own pep talks. I nearly, nearly give myself the ick. Keep up the good work.

• 12:04Speaker 03

  Fucking hell, right, have I got some bloody advice for you? Because 39 is an absolute Babylon section of life.

• 12:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:11Speaker 03

  It is, so, just to make you feel better, listener, writer-in-a, reader.

• 12:18Speaker 02

  Anon.

• 12:19Speaker 03

  Anon, is, me, so I moved back to London at 39. I didn't have, I had two suitcases and had zero career. I think something happens, and I ended up writing a show about it, it's spent, right? But, um, I, this is, my advice to you would be, don't stress too much. You're gonna have to take some gambles on yourself. You're probably trying to play a bit too safe because you want to stay on the side of caution. But if you've already fucked your life beyond recognition, who gives a shit at this point? It's gonna need a big change. You're gonna have to dash some chips on the table and make some bets on yourself. And also, what I would say, and now, listen, I fucking hate to say this, but when everything is in disarray, stop drinking for a little while.

• 13:04Speaker 03

  You can drink again, alright, I'm back on the sauce. But have a little time off until you get your shit in order. Like, you're gonna just have to make some big changes and big sacrifices and just be like, fuck it. But me at thirty nine, I was staying at my sister's house in my niece's old single bed that still had graffiti written on the wall from when my niece was a teenager. My, my brother, I turned forty in that bed and I remember being like, no fucking way. I was so raging about my situation. It was highly motivating.

• 13:34Speaker 02

  Do you know what I was rejected at the most by was, eh, it wasn't professional attraction. When I first got to London, I bumped into a lot of people in auditions and whatever it is. And they, and they knew I was new to London and I had no mates. I hadn't had the great joy of you yet and eh, me and Vogue were a friend. Me and Vogue obviously were mates, but that, that was, she was kind of all I had. And people would say to me, oh, do you wanna, I'll meet you for a coffee, let me know if you wanna meet for a coffee. And then when I actually asked them to do it, not a single one of them came back. Do you know the only one who came back was Roche and Connery?

• 14:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's solid, she's solid, isn't she?

• 14:12Speaker 02

  So I know when it's like, it's shit and you question yourself, you're like, oh, blah, blah, blah. But you just have to stick with it because you gotta roll with the punches.

• 14:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, and, and I really think we live in a world now where like, you're just disillusioned because you see the end result of everything. You're just like, oh, look what they're doing, look what they're doing.

• 14:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:26Speaker 03

  Get off social media for a little bit, go bloody gym, start a routine. This is baby steps, it's fucking boring, it's monotonous. But like, if you start tapping in too much to what other people are doing, you're gonna free fall and start losing your shit. So it's like, yeah, this is rubbish. Anytime you open up your phone, everyone's killing the game, they're fucking on jet skis. You know what I mean? In bloody Dubai with a falcon on their arm. Like, just don't, like, just don't, don't get too caught up in it. You've got to start like a routine and be consistent with it. So whether that's going gym and looking after yourself, taking all the vitamins and laying off the sauce. That's what I would say and just tell yourself that like, this is what you're fucking doing. Because that's the reality.

• 15:09Speaker 03

  But when I tell you, there's so many women I know that like, just before forty, everything goes to fucking shit and you have a whole identity crisis. Because you're like, I'm a bougie bitch, why am I living so poor? This does not align with who I see myself as. And it's just a big identity shift and it's fucking terrible, but like. Babes, do you know what I mean?

• 15:27Speaker 02

  You gotta trust the process of life.

• 15:29Speaker 03

  It's fucking long, but like always sees the end results. Always sees the end results and it's like it takes baby steps to make shit happen, do you know what I mean? So, yeah, that and like, that's what I'd say.

• 15:42Speaker 02

  Perfect, yeah, she smashed it.

• 15:44Speaker 03

  No, but it's true though, really.

• 15:45Speaker 02

  Oh, it's totally true.

• 15:46Speaker 03

  The thirty nine will fuck, will fuck with your brain.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  It is because you do, I, I was actually, I think.

• 15:51Speaker 03

  Cause you think you're so old, it's like I was chatting to one of my, um, uh, support ladies. Um, uh, cause they're all in their twenties and she was like, I'm twenty seven, I'm really going through it. And I was like, babes, twenty seven is a really hard year. Because you haven't hit thirty yet, you feel older at twenty seven than you do at thirty one. And it's like one of them big changes where like when you hit your thirties, you're like, oh, this is the teenage years of adulthood. And I think when you hit your forties, when it finally comes, you're like, oh, okay, relief, I'm a proper adult now. There's no one to blame, there's no, I just happened to my childhood and my mum was a member, no one gives a shit. No one fucking cares anymore and that's, there's certain peace in that.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  A hundred percent, I, I had my turning, I had my little midlife crisis and I wouldn't even call it a crisis. When I turned thirty, when I turned forty, I was like, I'm good to go, cause I kind of had my little mental breakdown in my early thirties, got my shit together. And like, I'm in a good place. So turning forty to me was fine, but I know for a lot of people turning forty, it's a, it's a big time for a reflection. Where am I? Where am I going? What have I done? But like, forty is the new twenty.

• 16:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, but mate, being broke at forty is different. Do you know what I mean? Especially, especially if you're straight, oh, oh, gross, terrible, disgusting.

• 17:01Speaker 02

  Why straight?

• 17:02Speaker 03

  Well, because I think if you're straight and you're on, and you're single, if you're on any apps, the second that forty hits your, hits your like. Dating profile and that, that age comes up, you're in a different bracket. People think you're on some jizzy supermarket sweep and you're trying to get pregnant or like you want something from them and like, yeah, you do, they're sold, but that's beside the point. You know what I'm saying? Beside the point.

• 17:24Speaker 02

  Also, um, we're talking about relationships.

• 17:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just mean like forty just does some, like, if you're single, if you're straight, if you're, it's, it's a little bit harder. Cause you're going through like the, the norms of society as well, you know what I mean? Your, your reflection is that, so you're like, oh, I'm gonna deal with myself. I ain't got any kids, I ain't married yet.

• 17:44Speaker 02

  Now, we about know that it's like, that's kind of what penophile is about, to be honest, it's like the, the reality check of actually. What that's packaged as is no longer. It's, we, we, when you get to your forties, you re, you, you look back at the package that was sold to you in your twenties of what you're supposed to be doing and you realise it's a load of bollocks.

• 18:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  Look at us, living our best lives.

• 18:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  Kind of.

• 18:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I, I never had that package, so I was just like, whatever. No one was like, go and get my, no one expected me to do that.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. It wasn't, well, it wasn't like being, I wasn't like being forced, I wasn't like being forced down the aisle, I wasn't being trafficked or anything, but it was like, that was just what the women around me, they were all.

• 18:18Speaker 03

  Imagine if you was trafficked and you're still single. What a burn, what a fucking burn.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  They sent her back.

• 18:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're just like, nah, this has got a thirty day warranty.

• 18:26Speaker 02

  Too much stress.

• 18:27Speaker 03

  We've hung out and we're good.

• 18:34Speaker 02

  Michelle, thank you so much for coming in.

• 18:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:36Speaker 02

  You're gassed, as always.

• 18:37Speaker 03

  It has been an absolute pleasure. I, I don't sound as excited as I am, which is not that. No, no, genuine. Do you know what as well? Like, when was the last time me and you hung out?

• 18:49Speaker 02

  I know, I can't remember.

• 18:51Speaker 03

  Do you know what I mean? Drinking coffee?

• 18:52Speaker 02

  Oh, well, it was at the Apollo.

• 18:53Speaker 03

  Oh, no, wait, didn't we go for a walk since then?

• 18:54Speaker 02

  Oh my god, fucking yes, we did!

• 18:56Speaker 03

  We went for a walk!

• 18:56Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 18:57Speaker 03

  Alright, okay.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  Because my memory is that my, my, my, I've, the, the memory of you leaving the house when you said when did we last, I go, that was the memory that pops into my head.

• 19:04Speaker 03

  Ben, can we speak about the fact that me and you, I've, we and Joanne have lived near each other for years now and I'm always like, let's go to the common. Joanne, do you want to come for a picnic on the common? Let's go to the common. And then, literally a couple of weeks ago, you was like, right, I'm gonna meet you Sunday morning, we're going for a walk. And it was like knocking for your mate to come out and play. I was like, buzz the buzzer, you came skipping down the stairs, we did a couple of, we did a couple of laps.

• 19:28Speaker 02

  Lovely afternoon. Because I always want to bring Michelle to the pub, that's the problem. And she's like, Joanne, we have to just do sober things sometimes together, like walks and stuff. And I'm like, no!

• 19:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  I just want to go and piss with you all the time.

• 19:39Speaker 03

  Do you remember when we played tennis?

• 19:41Speaker 02

  We played tennis.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  Joanne, it's all these balls.

• 19:44Speaker 02

  I was really, yeah, because I was off the booze at the time, I was like, okay, come on, let's get a hobby.

• 19:47Speaker 03

  Tennis balls in the hottest day of the year. I think we lasted, twenty minutes in, you was like, I'm fucking over this.

• 19:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:54Speaker 03

  We hit about three balls consecutively. Yeah, yeah, and I said, we're doing forty-five minutes. Then we did it and he was like, oh, and I was like, yeah, let's go pub.

• 20:05Speaker 02

  With the two rackets.

• 20:06Speaker 03

  It was pathetic.

• 20:07Speaker 02

  The rackets have never been touched since.

• 20:09Speaker 03

  The way we were dressed up for tennis. Like it was a fashion show, like Barbie Tennis Day. We were like, yeah, visors. Joanne came with no water.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  No water.

• 20:20Speaker 03

  No water.

• 20:20Speaker 02

  It was so, we were so out of our comfort zone. We were just like, this is fucking ludicrous. But look, we made an effort, let's go to the pub.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  We were as athletic as kicking a tin can down the street. That was us.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  Two of us just sweating.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, not as much precision.

• 20:34Speaker 02

  I literally, after 15 minutes, was like, I'm over this.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  But the way, the way we skipped into the pub, like we are sporty girls. We were like, oh, these rackets, oh god. Slung them down on the table. Hey, Michelle, you got the rackets, so I'll go and get the wine. Okay, yeah, okay, tennis was great.

• 20:50Speaker 02

  Mind the rackets, Michelle.

• 20:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  I'll wear one into the pubs, they think I've just done something really athletic on the way in. I know, but look, we're trying.

• 20:58Speaker 03

  We're trying, we're trying our best.

• 21:00Speaker 02

  We're trying our best.

• 21:01Speaker 03

  It's been a pleasure.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  We just love a wine.

• 21:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  I love good wines, I'm sure. It's one of my favourite things to do.

• 21:06Speaker 03

  It is, it is.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  I love that. Anyway, thanks so much for doing it, Michelle.

• 21:10Speaker 03

  You're welcome.