Paddy's Day, Silage & Inside The Manosphere

You'll know by now that, thankfully, Vogue survived the St Patrick's Day Parade. Joanne's visions never amounted to anything... But how did Vogue find it? Plus, a huge realisation from Joanne and a topic that is overdue... Louis Theroux has done it again. If you’d like to get in touch, you can send an email to [email protected] You can now watch FULL video epsiodes of My Therapist Ghosted Me! Visit www.youtube.com/@mtgmpod and remember to subscribe! Please review Global's Privacy Policy: https://global.com/legal/privacy-policy/ For merch, tour dates and more visit: www.mytherapistghostedme.com https://www.mytherapistghostedme.com/ Joanne's comedy gigs: www.joannemcnally.com https://www.joannemcnally.com/ This episode contains explicit language and adult themes that may not be suitable for all listeners.

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• 0:32Speaker 01

  This is a Global Player original podcast.

• 0:45Speaker 02

  Hello and welcome to My Therapist Goes To Me. Sorry, Joanne, you actually, you took my breath away for a moment there. Have you still got the long hair?

• 0:54Speaker 03

  No, I've just been so basic.

• 0:58Speaker 02

  It's not your own?

• 0:59Speaker 03

  It's my own hair. So again, I'm happy to take the lead and put in the context.

• 1:05Speaker 02

  This is the way it works.

• 1:06Speaker 03

  That vogue just refuses to provide.

• 1:09Speaker 02

  I just think everyone watches your Instagram like I do.

• 1:14Speaker 03

  Well, if as much as many people listen to watch my Instagram, I'd have a lot more Instagram followers. I seem to let them down on that front. Slightly losing interest in Instagram, but anyway, it's another conversation. I was doing, I did the Claudia Winkleman chat show on Friday. And as part of us, because I was doing, you know, I was like, I'll do a new Luke, as the kids would call it, new look. And I asked Hadley, would he put extensions in so that I could look like a woman? And he did. He put in these course extensions. And then I had this lovely, long trail of like feminine, like a tail. And I was curling

• 1:54Speaker 03

  it. And I was playing with it. And I'm not going to lie when I say my male attention.

• 2:02Speaker 03

  Upt itself and that is science, guys. I was more attractive, I felt more attractive. And I felt sexier. I was kind of swishing through the aisle of the plane flying to New York the next day. But then, of course, when I landed, I woke up, they were, it looked like Chernobyl had gone off my head. There was ones hanging out here, ones falling off there. No shade on Hadley, just obviously me pulling at them. And then I started to look like-

• 2:27Speaker 02

  You were wearing clip-ins, weren't you? Clip-ins is a little day job, not like the ones that I get nailed to my head.

• 2:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was in a clip-in, but I went, this morning I looked at it because I have to do a couple of bits today. Do you remember when Angelina Jolie, remember she, remember she had those heinous stenos? Do you remember? There was a photograph of her on the red carpet-

• 2:46Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 2:46Speaker 03

  And the, and the stenos went to a certain, and then her, her own hair, it was so bad. But I was like, what's obviously happened is Angelina has had a really good job done. Sorry, the day before or the night before, she just tried to rock them for a second day like I did with the hairstyle. Anyway, I've decided to get them put in properly.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  You're gonna get full timers. There's certain things in life, and I know, like, everyone can choose to do what they want, but like, having long hair, because I used to go from short to long, you feel, you feel a little, I feel personally, a little bit younger and a little bit better looking with longer hair. And it's the same that goes for a tan. If I don't have a tan on, I don't feel as, as, as good. I don't feel as confident. It's just certain things that make you feel confident.

• 3:32Speaker 03

  It lifts. And you know me, I'm very bad on my own hair and I feel like I'm always going around, it's just pulled up. It's always a little bit messy, even though I try my best, I try my best with it. I just don't have the eye for it. So I feel like if I have long, straight stenos, then I won't have to do as much. And I'll just be like, I'll just be like a pretty little horse trotting through town.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  I don't think that's really the case, do you?

• 3:55Speaker 03

  I can get up and go, because it's not my hair.

• 3:58Speaker 02

  Well, I know, but you still, it still is hair. So it's just, if anything, it's gonna add to your load. I just want you to know all the facts before you get 22 inch extensions to your arse.

• 4:10Speaker 03

  Well, I don't know. Well, I'm just saying, if it looks like shit, I can't be blamed because it's not my hair.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  Fair. Okay. That's actually a good way. Do you know, I met a horse the other day who, who was wearing, who was wearing, you know, I did, I met a horse yesterday. He was wearing, he was an older horse and he was a Freetian. So this beautiful black horse, but there was four of them. And he was the oldest one, Jasper. And they had to, they put spray in his hair because he was at the parade. So they put that stuff, the L'Oréal spray. Cause he has a bit of a grey mane and they sprayed his hair. So he, he looks fantastic.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  Hold on. They tried to spray the grey out of his hair for St. Patrick's Day?

• 4:46Speaker 02

  They didn't try to. They did. He looked like a young foal by the time they were done with him.

• 4:52Speaker 03

  I assumed you were gonna say that they sprayed him green, white and gold, which would have made more sense. But no, they shamed the horse. He's probably worked his whole life.

• 5:02Speaker 03

  That is so insulting to the horse community.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  I saw him trot before and I saw him trot after. And the, the post-spray trot was a lot more happy than the, the pre-spray trot. He felt like one of the gang.

• 5:16Speaker 03

  I'm sorry if you can't even age as a horse.

• 5:19Speaker 02

  No, he was swishing that tail like no one's business.

• 5:22Speaker 03

  What is the point?

• 5:24Speaker 02

  Age as a horse because then you'll end up making glue for people to sniff.

• 5:28Speaker 03

  Jesus Christ, he'll be going on horse island next, trying to get abs for himself. That poor bastard thing has probably worked all its life, carrying tons and tons of wankers on his back. And now the last, his last shred of dignity, he's getting booked for the Paddy's Day Parade. And they give him Botox and spray the grey out of him.

• 5:48Speaker 02

  He looked absolutely beautiful and Jasper was.

• 5:51Speaker 03

  Aren't you lucky to not have any grey yourself, folk? Can you imagine what it would have done? I'm surprised it'd make you wear a wig. Like Annie the orphan or Curly, anything to add youth to you.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  Well, they did say you need to get the stenos done before you're allowed to participate in the parade. And I said, fine, I will do that for you. I'm aware, I'll wear, I'll make sure the hair looks, it's, it's young. They didn't really say that. Come here to me, tell me. So you tell us about the Claudia Winkelman show. We want to know who was on with you.

• 6:16Speaker 03

  Okay. So, because I was, then we'll do the Paddy say parade. Because I obviously want to know all about it.

• 6:20Speaker 02

  Or we both don't talk to each other. So we both were talking to each other.

• 6:23Speaker 03

  Save it all.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  And text me like, you tell me and then I'll, so we'll go, I'm more desperate. Go on.

• 6:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, we, we share information live now. Unless, of course, it's something incredibly sinister.

• 6:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:36Speaker 03

  And then I'll ring.

• 6:38Speaker 02

  There's quite a few of them as well, delete.

• 6:39Speaker 03

  And then it's like, answer now. So it's been, it's been busy. It's been busy. Finished my shows in the Olympia, did the night late, then went back and did Claudia. And Claudia was, obviously, everyone loves Claudia Winkelman. That's why she has a chat show. And actually, there was a really interesting episode on the podcast that we love. Joe, I don't know, do you ever listen to This is Entertainment?

• 7:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  With Richard Osman and Marina Heint? The rest is entertainment.

• 7:07Speaker 02

  Do you know, he quit House of Games?

• 7:08Speaker 03

  I know, he quit House of Games.

• 7:10Speaker 02

  I can't believe he quit House of Games. I loved him on that. But the other fella who's coming in, what's his name? The Welsh actor, Martin Sheen? Is that his name?

• 7:18Speaker 03

  Martin Sheen? As in?

• 7:20Speaker 02

  Charlie Sheen's dad. That's Charlie Sheen's dad, isn't it?

• 7:23Speaker 03

  I wouldn't imagine it would be a world he'd be up for.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  No, it's not Charlie Sheen.

• 7:27Speaker 03

  Michael Sheen.

• 7:28Speaker 02

  Michael Sheen.

• 7:29Speaker 03

  Oh, no way.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:31Speaker 03

  Is he?

• 7:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I like him as well. So he should do a fantastic job.

• 7:34Speaker 03

  I'm Googling Michael Sheen. Is he, is he, is he the lad who had the, is he, is he Kate Beckinsale's baby daddy?

• 7:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:41Speaker 03

  Anyway, sorry, where was I? Oh, sorry, here I was.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  Well, Claudia Winkelman.

• 7:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, they did a great episode on how it's gotten to this, like how Claudia has come to this point in her life, which I thought was really interesting because they talk about how, you know, she's in the business 30 something years. And like, this hasn't happened overnight. And they also said, they said, if you ask most people in the entertainment industry what they want to do, they will all say, a chat show.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:09Speaker 03

  Because he was, I can't remember, I didn't really, he said it was because they get to look like they're interested in people and stuff. But I actually think it's because you get regular screen time, it's really well paid, but.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  But it's also interesting that you are getting to chat to really cool people every week.

• 8:26Speaker 03

  But I also think you're in a job where the guests can help you do the lifting, if you know what I mean. Now, not if you get a bad guest, but like, you know, it's different if you're interviewing very boring people all the time. But usually if there's people in entertainment, they usually have a story to tell here and there and a bit of pizzazz about them. So anyway, he was like, it's everyone's goal as such.

• 8:44Speaker 02

  Graham Norton was saying, I read his book and he was saying that like, they pair people, certain people together. So you're not just chucked in with somebody who, who, who has the same times as you. So like with Robert De Niro, he said he had to be very specific who he'd put on with Robert De Niro. Cause Robert De Niro was quite, like quite dull and just not like, doesn't really wanna do it, isn't very chatty. So he has to get other people on that will like, create a conversation around Robert De Niro, which I found quite interesting. But they do it with different kinds of guests. And so I'm glad, you were, you were paired with?

• 9:17Speaker 03

  So I was on with our local man, Not Horn.

• 9:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:21Speaker 03

  Rachel Ziegler.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:23Speaker 03

  From our Snow White Disney and who I had seen in a Vita. I'd been to London, played him to see her and Gus Khan, who I didn't, we didn't know each other beforehand, but we got on like a house on fire. And, and so it was a really, really, if I do say so myself, fun foursome, fivesome, including Claudia, of course. But like, no one was shy. And look, I was saying to your one, Rachel, I'd say that I'd seen her and that I was obviously so impressed by her talent. And now that she was actually funny, I was considering having her assassinated. She's, I was like, that's, that's not fair. That's not fair. You can't have lungs like that.

• 10:01Speaker 02

  Leave your personality at the door.

• 10:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, please. You can't have lungs like that and be witty. That's not fair. And she's, I know it's, it's so interesting when you see insanely beautiful people in real life because you're just kind of mesmerised. She is the prettiest thing I think I've ever seen.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  Stunning.

• 10:19Speaker 03

  I just, she's like a, she's like a little Disney princess.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  Sometimes you're kind of like in awe of people like that. You're just like, oh God, that's when you really feel it. You really feel your number.

• 10:30Speaker 03

  She was, yeah, for sure. Well, we're not even, I'm even including you in this one, Vogue. I'm even throwing you in the ugly bin with me in comparison to her. And you know, I always elevate you.

• 10:40Speaker 02

  The ugly bin?

• 10:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:42Speaker 02

  I would not, come on, like, there's a few people that.

• 10:45Speaker 03

  You're in the bin, Vogue. I never put you in the bin. Just take, take it.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  I'm sure she was a lovely girl, but like, I wouldn't be friends with her. Two pretty people. It wouldn't be good for the confidence on a daily basis.

• 10:56Speaker 03

  I'm not saying, I wouldn't, I wouldn't put the lid on you in the bin, but you'd be in the bin.

• 11:00Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 11:01Speaker 03

  And then Niall Horan, who I'd never met. We have a couple of mutuals, but I'd never actually met him. He's lovely. Really, really nice. I met his girlfriend Mia as well. She was lovely.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  Oh my God, I was about to ask, is he still with the girlfriend? That's been a long time now.

• 11:13Speaker 03

  It's been a long time now. Yeah, yeah. So the whole thing was lovely. We got along great. I was wearing a gorgeous top that I bought in inverted commas from a company that I will be returning it to. Except now I'm not sure I can because when I hugged Niall, his makeup went on the shoulder. And now it's like, well, I either keep it or I sell it for more because it is Niall Horan's face.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  You could either sell it for more or you could actually send him an invoice.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  Niall, great to meet you the other day. Could I get your number? Just, just, why don't you just send him a message on Instagram? Great to meet you. Could I get your number? And then just, that's when you shoot over the invoice and just to say if you wouldn't mind.

• 11:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, at the moment it looks like I've Jesus' face and toast. Do you remember all that? Because it's Niall Horan. Every time we spoke, the girls were squealing and the audience was like, Jesus, Niall, isn't it?

• 12:03Speaker 02

  Really?

• 12:04Speaker 03

  I don't know if I could deal with that much squealing in my life. A lot of squealing.

• 12:08Speaker 02

  I was driving by the three arena yesterday where my friend Joanne has a second show on sale. And.

• 12:14Speaker 03

  She certainly does. Thank you. Plug it, plug, plug, plug.

• 12:19Speaker 02

  And I was driving by it and I was driving by it like 10 in the morning and there's people queuing up outside to go and see whoever was playing that night. 10 in the morning. I said, there wouldn't be a single person in the world I'd queue outside like that for. Somber or something. Is there a band called Somber?

• 12:37Speaker 04

  Yes. S O M B R.

• 12:40Speaker 02

  Are you sure now they weren't doing a morning show or a mat night? No, it was an evening show. Now, in fairness, actually, when I think, cast my mind back, I probably, if there's a chance of seeing Justin Timberlake, I probably would have sat outside in the snow. Would you? Honestly, no. Back in the day, Joanne, back in the day, I had like, like, I had no problem sharing him with my best friend, Ashley. Like, we were just, we had this whole plan about how we'd both get with him. It didn't matter who. Like, we were seriously obsessed. Now, I wouldn't have any interest now. I wouldn't queue up. I wouldn't queue up in the post office behind him now. But like, back in the day, I would have loved us.

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• 14:06Speaker 02

  If you feel like listening to more podcasts, my sister and I do a podcast called Vogue and Amber and it is on Tuesdays and Thursdays, so different days to myself and Joanne Safin.

• 14:22Speaker 03

  I have an apology, because I was about to say, I wouldn't-

• 14:25Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 14:26Speaker 03

  I'd rather gargle silage than que. And I've had, it turns out, there's been a couple of messages from, that I hadn't read. Joanne, you did it again. This is the last message I had. Please, you can't gargle fermented grass. You mean slurry. So she's tried to correct me on it a couple of times. There's one before that, Joanne, you always say silage, you mean slurry. Joanne, it isn't silage, sorry. So Corrections Corner, I'd rather goggle slurry.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  You're gonna have people coming after you for goggle now.

• 14:57Speaker 04

  It's nearly there, wasn't it?

• 14:58Speaker 03

  I'd rather gargle slurry. So what would I do with silage then?

• 15:04Speaker 02

  It doesn't have the same ring to it.

• 15:06Speaker 04

  Just eat it, just enjoy it. It's, it's like, it's the grass that cows eat in the winter.

• 15:10Speaker 03

  Just enjoy it. Okay. I will, you know, guilt free.

• 15:15Speaker 02

  Guilt free bit of silage for you.

• 15:17Speaker 03

  I wanted to clean that up. I just, I was, I think I was annoying the, the farmers or the land people. So I wanted to just clear that up and say, it's slurry from now on. I'll be gargling, not silage. Okay.

• 15:27Speaker 02

  The farmers still like me, because remember I was the ambassador for the National Dairy Council and I got loads of-

• 15:32Speaker 03

  A good one for gas.

• 15:34Speaker 02

  I loved that job. I miss that job.

• 15:37Speaker 03

  I know. The face of milk.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  The vegans came after me, but the, the farmers still, still like me.

• 15:44Speaker 03

  Come here.

• 15:45Speaker 02

  Thank you for your cows.

• 15:46Speaker 03

  Tell me about this. How was the Paddy's Day Parade where you were the grand marshal being driven around Ireland in a stunning tweed jacket, by the way?

• 15:55Speaker 02

  Oh, wasn't it? Paul Costello.

• 15:58Speaker 03

  Not a bullet hole on you, Vogue. I'm very impressed.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Do you know what? At one point, at one point I was like, I wouldn't mind an odd little, a little shot would have been fine. I-

• 16:10Speaker 03

  Really?

• 16:11Speaker 02

  I think, I think I'm shy. I was just like- When I got in the car, I was like, what have I done? Because I was like, who the fuck do I think I am standing here waving at people? And I was like, I just, and they were like, Victoria Smurfette was standing up. And I was like, oh, God, I can't.

• 16:29Speaker 03

  Oh, no.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  I can't stand in the car. And then I had to, they were like, go on, will you stand up for a few shots? And I had to stand up and I was like, huh. I was so, I like, it was an honour to be able to do it. But I was like, I, I don't think I would put myself in that position again because I'm too shy. I think that I, and, and I know I don't come across as shy, but I suppose it's the whole idea of notions as an Irish person. Like, I don't, I was sitting in the car waving at people and I was like, all my friends at home are slagging me.

• 17:02Speaker 03

  Yeah. And we were, we were.

• 17:05Speaker 02

  I know. I know he's were. And then I was like.

• 17:09Speaker 03

  I forgot what happened. I, I, I woke up, I completely forgot it was St Patrick's Day until I was, I was sitting in Heathrow Airport and I was like, oh, my God. I was so unaware it was actually going on. Go on, I know.

• 17:18Speaker 02

  It was, no, it, it was an honour and the parade is an ama, the parade is amazing. And, and my niece got a picture of Catherine Connolly. She was very nice to her when she was sitting in the grandstand.

• 17:30Speaker 03

  Did you not meet Catherine? Did you not go in and meet Catherine? I thought there was like a breakfast involved or something.

• 17:35Speaker 02

  Well, I went to a breakfast, Catherine wasn't at that breakfast. So it was a really full on day and I'd like to clear something up, right? Cause you know, when you do the late, late, not you in particular, you actually got quite nice comments, but like, so I know your, your grandma pod, PJ and Kevin, they also did a video on it. Cause they went on the late, late and it's the same thing. It's like, what am I paying my TV licence for?

• 17:54Speaker 03

  Was there a bit of that? Was there, are you saying, was there a bit of that?

• 17:57Speaker 02

  Was there a bit of it? There was a lot of it. Remember I was on, I was like, holy Jesus. I mean, I don't even like doing the late, late that much because I just don't like the abuse that comes with it. But this is like tenfold. And so what are they wasting their money on getting her as the grand marshal? I would like to clear something up. I did two days of work for the grand marshal job because it is an honour to do that for our country and I was honoured to be asked. There was no payment involved. It's something that you just do. The St Patrick's Day Festival is a charity, so you do it without getting paid for it. So I would like to say that first.

• 18:35Speaker 03

  I'm assuming you found that out after the fact and then kicked off because I would have.

• 18:41Speaker 02

  That's why I wasn't at the end of the parade, actually. That's why I just got out of the car and I stormed off.

• 18:45Speaker 03

  Two days, standing up, taking my life in my own hands. Not a penny. Not even a bit of breakfast with the president. I'll tell you, I thought, I said this to you, I think it was, I think it was a brave thing to do. I really do. I think it's a weird ass job. And unless you're, unless you're Katie Taylor coming home after winning six gold Olympics, I don't think anyone's not going to get abused for driving around in a car. Do you know what I mean? Waving.

• 19:11Speaker 02

  I was like, the good stuff's coming. The good stuff is behind me. Okay. Cause like, I'm going around in a car waving at people. I was like, don't worry. The floats and the bands and the dancers, they're on the way.

• 19:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. Did you have, you should have had a megaphone. You're like, I'm sorry about this. Sorry about this. Just let me pass through with a bit of pride. And then the real parade is coming behind.

• 19:34Speaker 02

  I was absolutely wrecked by the end of it. It was two hours. I'd been smiling so much. I'd drank loads of water because I had some water in the back of the car. And then I had drank so much water that I was like, I'm going to probably piss my pants now as well at the same time. But I was, because you're smiling the whole time and waving. And it made me think, I am glad I'm not a member of the royal family. I couldn't do that every day. It's absolutely exhausting to be on your best behaviour. You can't even look at your phone or anything. You have to be on your best behaviour for two full hours. That is.

• 20:07Speaker 03

  I just would have been filming and tagging the parade all day, no?

• 20:10Speaker 02

  Oh my, well, for a person with my attention span, it was very, very difficult for two hours. And I was like, my brain was depleted by the end. I was like, I don't think I can see anywhere. I was in bed at six o'clock. I had to go, I couldn't even have a drink. I was like, I have to go to bed.

• 20:25Speaker 03

  That's, do you know, to get the crowds going when I was coming through, I would have done something like, I would have filled them and saying like, this is going out in Times Square. So that they kind of get like, you know, excited. And yeah, that's what I would have done.

• 20:36Speaker 02

  One fellow shouted, "Take your top off." And I, and I said, "That'd be no point."

• 20:44Speaker 03

  Good for him, getting involved, that's what we like, community spirit.

• 20:46Speaker 02

  I did feel like at least he's getting involved, he's giving us something to talk about here.

• 20:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:51Speaker 02

  This is great.

• 20:51Speaker 03

  But like I say, fair play, because that is not an easy job.

• 20:55Speaker 02

  And. No.

• 20:56Speaker 03

  No, you survived us, it's done now, you had your day.

• 21:01Speaker 02

  I had my day and I know, and I know, I know, I got, I'm straight back in my box, by the way, I came home and I got back in the box and I won't come out again because I, I understand it. But I met this man at the breakfast and he was like, I was gonna ride into your podcast and tell you a story about when I, when I was in Bristol one time. And I was like, oh, okay. He was like, I'll come back when I, when you have two minutes. I was like, well, I have two minutes, like I can, you can tell me the story. So he said that he was in Bristol on his own and he wanted to go and see a play. And he'd been told 222, a ghost story or something, it was called something like that. And he said, it's, it's meant to be brilliant, it's meant to be really scary. It is, it's great play.

• 21:36Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  And, and he said that that was playing in Bristol, he'd heard that was playing in Bristol and he wanted to go and see the ghost story. Um, show. So anyway, he went down and he sat down in the theatre and he noticed that there was a large amount of very drunk women beside him. And he was like, this is a bit unusual for a play.

• 21:59Speaker 02

  It started getting into it and he said that there were two women he didn't really recognise. I won't tell you how he eventually said he recognised me. Then he said, oh, and I eventually recognised you because you used to be married to Brian McFadden.

• 22:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:14Speaker 02

  You are really not insulting me here at all. And then, so he sat down and he said the show started and he was expecting like, obviously a play. And then you and I came on and he said it was very explicit and he was like.

• 22:29Speaker 03

  What?

• 22:30Speaker 02

  Amongst all these.

• 22:31Speaker 03

  He accidentally came to my therapist's ghost to me instead of 2.222, whatever it's called.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  A ghost story, it was ghosted.

• 22:39Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 22:40Speaker 02

  I went to ghost it and he had pictures and everything of the set.

• 22:48Speaker 03

  That's hilarious. That was like, I remember Jason Bourne telling a story once years ago, that a couple came in kind of late to his show. And they looked very surprised for the whole thing. And eventually he stopped and he was like, are you guys okay? And they're like, we thought, we thought we were coming to cats.

• 23:10Speaker 07

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• 23:44Speaker 02

  People sometimes do that to me. Are you, are you my, are you Spencer Matthews' wife? I'm like, no.

• 23:51Speaker 02

  My name is Vogue.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  Are we gonna talk about the manosphere?

• 23:58Speaker 03

  Absolutely. I, I have to say, I, I have been, I'm not just saying it's incredibly busy over the last nine, 10 days. At one point I wasn't sure I was gonna make it. So I haven't been able to write down my, all my thoughts of the manosphere, but I have thoughts. I'll start.

• 24:13Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 24:14Speaker 03

  These men, obviously we all know Louis III has made a documentary called The Manosphere about toxic masculinity and kind of the rise of it and where it's all come from, et cetera. And I think it's Louis' best work yet. I forgot how powerful it is to just say nothing and let stupid people talk. Cause they, cause they come, cause they come out with the most ridiculous shit ever. I think they're, I think they are a mix, these men of thick, like genuinely thick.

• 24:41Speaker 02

  Stupid, yeah, agree.

• 24:43Speaker 03

  Problematically thick, wanting to make money with rage bait. I don't think some of them even half believe some of the shit they're saying. The fact that it, like, seeing some of them who were like, yeah, bitch, clean. You'll take my dick when I tell you to take my dick. And then when he's with Louis, he's like, well, obviously when it's, when she has her period, like I won't force it, you know? It's like, oh, this is too, it was cringe worthy, but I, I'm gonna say.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  That was, that was Myron, and I think that he was like, he was the worst, he was the worst of all of them, I think.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  He was, he was, he was definitely the most, he was, he liked to be considered the worst of all of them, for sure. He, he took great pride in his toxicity, but at the end of the day, he, when, when his girlfriend was in front of him, he was a very different person, wasn't he?

• 25:31Speaker 02

  Well, you know, you know, the girlfriend has since left him. So he was saying that like,

• 25:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:35Speaker 02

  He was like, maybe in one day, like what I'd like to do is to be married to two people and they have all this one way monogamy where they can go out and ride rings around themselves. And then their wife can't do the same thing. So it's only, it's only okay for them, but.

• 25:49Speaker 03

  In what you, sorry, in that conversation though, this was, I was like, this is so, this is so telling. So when Louis tried to have that conversation with Myron in front of his girlfriend, he's there holding a poodle. He looks like really shook because he had to defend this now to his girlfriend. And she's like, yeah, he has mentioned this before. And she was kind of looking at him and goes, but honestly, like, you know, at the moment, I mean, I'm not saying I want that multiple partners. I'm just really busy with work. And I was like, you have no intention of this. You're just talking shit to make it sound like you're some big swinging dick, whereas actually you're a man in love. I can see it in your face.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  He is, he was the most pathetic and like, he took, he uses like playground tactics to take down women that he would have in his podcast. And he sits there and he, he, he takes down the way women look, looking like that himself, like, sorry? And he also is, I just, I just found him really, really stupid, really toxic. He's really racist. Like if you've seen anything else of him online, like he's, he's incredibly racist towards people. And, and he's just really bad. And I said last week on the bonus, I said, I actually, I can't blame the parents. But actually it has to come from somewhere.

• 27:03Speaker 03

  Wider, wider, like zoom out. This is, as we know, a result of the Me Too movement and us calling masculinity toxic. And then men feeling completely vilified. And then they kind of come together in online chat groups or in, in real life. And they present with this like ultra masculinity and that's how this is all presenting now. And it's all the kind of, I don't think you can blame the parents for that necessarily. Like I don't, I think that's just culturally what's happening at the moment. And then they're being led by these people like. These manifest for men who are saying, men have to earn their value, women were born with value because we have a pussy, basically, that's what they're saying. Did you see the scene where your man just, when he'd met these two fans in the street and he was saying

• 27:46Speaker 03

  to Louis, you know, at 21 years of age, women are really attractive, they could be invited on a yacht, you know, they have that value. And then he points to one of the guys talking to him and he goes, look at this guy, he's never going to be invited on a yacht. And your man's just nodding his head along, basically going, this man's in bits, he's not hot enough to be on a yacht. And the guy's just agreeing with him. So they have this, this is the thing that women want value in men and that men have to build it and that we just get it. But-

• 28:11Speaker 02

  I know, but these complete, go on, I'll let you finish first.

• 28:14Speaker 03

  That I'm, I'm always curious in the how has this happened, rather than like the individual is doing it. It's like, what has come to this. But when H. House, Tiki Talk, whatever your man's name was, that he ended up calling his mother mommy in front of the, in the camera, never lived it down. When I first, when he first spoke about his mother, I was like, oh, this is interesting because he's like, she's not racist, she's really against all this stuff. She's not homophobic, she hates when I speak like this. And I was like, oh, this is really interesting. I wonder how this woman, is it Elaine, was that her name?

• 28:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it was.

• 28:43Speaker 03

  Then we met Elaine and the first five minutes of meeting his mother, I was like again going, oh, this is interesting. He's very different in her company. She seems to have a bit of authority on him. She's clearly disappointed in how he behaves. But then, as the scene rolled on and he'd been kind of extradited back home to go to court for this car crash that he was responsible for, she started saying things like, everyone's different, everyone's allowed their opinions and blah, blah, blah. And she was kind of defending him. And I was like, oh, Elaine, you're a problem.

• 29:16Speaker 02

  Do you know, I know, yeah, she is, I think that she actually is definitely the problem. But like, even with, like, when you look back at their childhoods and a lot of them don't have that father figure in their lives, like H. House, Tiki Talk, he doesn't-

• 29:29Speaker 03

  Or they've toxic relationships with their mothers. Absolutely. There's, there's always background to this stuff.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  They go on about all these, like, these things for people to buy and like, this is how you make me, this is how you get my lifestyle. Those plonkers have not got a single solitary clue about any stock market, about any kind of Bitcoin, yet they're able to convince men, little, well, not men, boys, to invest their money into what they're doing because then they get a portion of what- What they are good at is selling bullshit and then the young boys are buying this thinking that they're gonna have the lifestyle that they have. And I also don't believe that they own the houses, that they own the cars. I think it's just like made up bullshit, leased lifestyle that isn't even true. And they're just trying to prey on young boys who are

• 30:14Speaker 02

  impressionable and who kind of are looking for that father figure in their life as well. And I actually do think it's sad to think that they just never had that growing up. And like, that's what they they've turned into these. Like, I think that Marlon fella is evil. He used to work in homeland security in America. And he he stopped working in that. And now he's going out spouting this stuff all over his podcast, like really crazy, scary stuff. And I actually think he is quite, like, he's Andrew Tate levels of worrying and like scary for the world.

• 30:46Speaker 03

  I'm not, I'm not denying that he's scary for the world. I just think he's so stupid. I was just shocked. I was, I was blown away by how, how much of a grift it was, if you know what I mean. I was like, I don't even know if these lads believe half the shit they're saying. I also think what I thought was really telling was the way your man, H S, tick, tick, tick, tickety, tickety, tock, tock, whatever, was interviewing Bonnie Blue, but saying he thinks she's disgusting. But is filming dancing with these OnlyFans girls, but like, it's all for a clout or ticks or whatever they say. But I was like, ultimately, this comes down to men resenting the fact that they want to ride women. And they resent the fact that women can withhold sex from them. And that, to me, was what it came down

• 31:30Speaker 03

  to. They resent it. So they're like, I want to, the other way, they're like, I want to fuck her, but I fucking hate her. In the same breath, they're like, when I, when I have sex with her, I have no respect for her because I've gotten what I've wanted. But if she doesn't give it to me, I also hate her. Now, these are, we're not talking about day to day, like, the normal man that we would come into. We're talking about men who've been radicalized in a way. But there, there's room for that to happen. They resent, this is straight men, obviously, we're talking about. I don't know if there's that many gay men in the man's here. But this seems to be all very focused towards women, doesn't it? But they resent the power of the pussy, which is a very American term to use. But I think that is deeply what, I think that is what is at the centre of it. And so because of that, they think they're, they're upset about their legacy ending. They're upset about not getting sex.

• 32:15Speaker 03

  They think they're entitled to it. And instead of kind of like talking about how positive it will be to have a family, they're just talking about their legacy, about having kids and how they should be protected, like an endangered species, basically. And that's, I think that's where a lot of the, the resentment and the bitterness, the anger comes from. It's like, I hate women, but I want to ride women, but they won't let me ride them. And now I think they're fucking whores.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  I also think it's quite scary that like, it's, it's in the manosphere. It's with these younger generation of men and not just them, that some of them are too old to be even doing that. But anyway, but also it's like, it's, it's, it's seeping into politics. Like when you look at America, the way things are going backwards for women and stuff over there. Like it's actually, it's not just something to be worried about your kids watching online. It's actually seeping in over there as well. And it's like, they're taking away women's rights and they're just like, it's crazy to watch the whole thing unfold. And I just think that like, hopefully people like really start understanding a little bit more and just realizing that how big a problem it is.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  I was in a way reassured by it a little bit.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:22Speaker 03

  And how stupid they were. Like, I swear, I know that sounds mad, but like, I was like, oh, this is all a grift. This is all, now, I'm not saying that that doesn't mean that it has tangible consequences. You know what I mean? But like, these men are, like, just, they just looked pick a shit to me. They looked emotionally unintelligent.

• 33:47Speaker 03

  They looked.

• 33:50Speaker 03

  Pathetic in my eyes. I was like, oh, you're the big fear.

• 33:55Speaker 02

  Stupid pathetic losers. I agree with you.

• 33:58Speaker 03

  But do you remember your man, Matt, what's his name?

• 34:00Speaker 02

  Myron.

• 34:00Speaker 03

  Myron. The scene of Myron holding the poodle while his girlfriend clearly is looking up and down and be like, you're telling this lad that we're gonna have a big open marriage. Is that what you're doing? And you could see his face kind of crumbling. It was all show. And then she walked over and he went, eh, eh, clean up the studio, yeah?

• 34:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, shut the fuck up. But even like, is that even real? Does she like, she was probably just gonna run a cloth around the studio anyway, because there's about to be some work done, but he had to kind of shout it at her in front of the camera. It all just looked like a big act to me. But even your man Sneako, who was one of the streamers that was on it, he wasn't like, he didn't even, he didn't even know who Louis, he didn't even know who Louis Threw was before that they were, that he filmed him. And then after he does this stream and he's like, uh oh, it's like, how could you film with somebody for consecutive days and not even look into who they are? I listened to Louis Threw on the Ramesh Ranganathan podcast. It's really, really good, by the way.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  And if you actually listen to Louis the way he is on that podcast, he does have like a really different persona. But like you just, because that's all you've kind of seen of Louis, because he's done so many documentaries and all that kind of stuff. He's actually like, he is so funny and so quick and so brilliant. But like, what he was saying, when he does this documentary, he has to give people space. And sometimes he'll ask them something and then he'll notice that they get really bothered by it. So he pulls back a little bit because he doesn't want to lose the whole interview. So he said that like filming that and them filming him, them streaming him while he was filming, he was like, it was just a really unusual way to be because obviously you edit stuff and everything like that. But like, he edited it the way it was shown on the stream as well. So like, it's not like he was putting words in their mouth.

• 35:46Speaker 02

  But like, they thought that they were, the HS Tikki Taki thought that he was getting one up on Louis Threw. It's like, you're not gonna get one up on Louis Threw, particularly as you're such a dumbass.

• 35:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was so, it was so cringe. Remember when he started talking to the camera? He was talking to the camera about his fitness regime and Louis standing behind him and he was like, who are you talking to? He's like the camera and he's like, no, this is a documentary. Like you talk to me. It was just so cringe.

• 36:10Speaker 02

  And you know what?

• 36:11Speaker 03

  But that guy Suki, what's his name? Suki, Snukey, whatever his name is.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  Sneak-o.

• 36:15Speaker 03

  He said it. He was like, this is all just to make money. It's just rate bait. We just say shit to gain traction, clout, and then we turn it into cash. We sell our, you know, make a grand while you're sleeping plans or whatever it is. It's just, it's a weird, aggressive pyramid scheme of pissed off penises. It's a penis pyramid scheme at the expense of women, at the expense of women. Sorry.

• 36:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:42Speaker 03

  The expense of our safety.

• 36:50Speaker 03

  By the way, Toronto, I think we put on, the venue we put on originally was a little small. So we've, we've moved the venue. November 8th, Toronto, we're going to Elgin Theatre. Tickets are now on sale.

• 37:07Speaker 02

  Did anyone watch the Oscars?

• 37:09Speaker 03

  I did. I watched the Oscars as I watch all awards shows.

• 37:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:14Speaker 03

  I didn't.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  You didn't?

• 37:18Speaker 03

  But I know.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  Okay, sorry, sorry.

• 37:19Speaker 03

  I know the highlights.

• 37:20Speaker 02

  I didn't mean to ask, I didn't mean to ask that question because no one watches it. Did you, did you read all the good gossip on the Oscars?

• 37:27Speaker 03

  Well, Jessie Buckley won. That's the main thing. That's all we want to know.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  Jessie Buckley, she looks amazing.

• 37:33Speaker 03

  All our love. So well deserved. Amazing. What a year. What a, what a year for her. Jesus, oh my, I think she's taken every award. She's probably gotten one for Ghosters, has she? She's taken every award gold this year.

• 37:45Speaker 02

  But she's actually, do you know she started on like, on a TV show? She started on a talent show. Yeah.

• 37:52Speaker 03

  Angie Lloyd Webber's won.

• 37:53Speaker 02

  I know. And like, look, and someone, someone had told her that she, she wasn't going to do well in acting. Well, look at her now.

• 38:00Speaker 03

  Look at her now.

• 38:00Speaker 02

  With her, she's a BAFTA and she's an Oscar. And that's just, they're the only two that she's won in the last month.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  And an IFTA. Although no, no, no shade to the IFTA, but imagine, imagine Jessie hadn't won the IFTA. The IFTA's the Irish one. Imagine she was snubbed by the if to get an Oscar.

• 38:18Speaker 02

  What about Timothée Chalamet?

• 38:21Speaker 03

  He didn't get us.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  Now, who got us? Michael B. Jordan for Sinners. And I have heard Sinners isn't that good from two or three people, but I'm going to watch myself. Two or three.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  Enough for me in the bed. No, I'm gonna watch it.

• 38:40Speaker 02

  He is, he is just so beautiful, that man, isn't he? Have you seen him?

• 38:44Speaker 03

  I watched, I, he is, he's absolutely beautiful. I watched that film on the plane on the way over.

• 38:50Speaker 03

  What's it called? The new one with Leonardo DiCaprio.

• 38:54Speaker 02

  Poor Leo. How many Oscars has Leo lost? He's looking like a ride though. He is looking like a ride with his, with his tash he had going on. He looks like he's had a bit of a juge in the face too. But he won an Oscar in 2016 for The Revenant, but he's also, he's lost seven, seven Oscars and he's won one. What a sting. But can we talk about Timothée Chalamet? Because I don't think, I know that's not how to say his name, Chalamet.

• 39:20Speaker 03

  We're just so past correcting that now. It just, in this context, that's what his name is.

• 39:26Speaker 02

  Timothée Chalamet. So he basically, everyone was saying it was because of the remarks that he made on the opera and the ballet, but supposedly the votes were kind of in before that. He went on this rampage of being like, 2016 is my, 2026 is my year. I'm absolutely brilliant. I'm one of the best actors of all time, kind of thing. And I think that put people off because you need to have like just a little tiny bit of humility.

• 39:50Speaker 03

  Humility. Yeah. His strategy was, pick me, pick, that was his, his strategy was like, I am an iconic epic performer.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:59Speaker 03

  Understand, I'm on the, I'm on the way. But also he's young. Do you know what I mean? I'm sure he has many Oscars ahead of him.

• 40:07Speaker 02

  And I won't have it said, it wasn't his year. But I won't have it said, people were saying it's to do with the Kardashian curse. Leave the girl as alone. It's not, Kylie Jenner is a Jenner. She's not a Kardashian. So it's not her fault that Timothy, Timothy, Timmy.

• 40:25Speaker 03

  TC.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  I. Uh, lost his Oscar.

• 40:28Speaker 03

  I watched one battle after another on the plane on the way over.

• 40:32Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 40:32Speaker 03

  Tiana Taylor, exceptional acting, exceptional film. Um, and I probably shouldn't say this, but have you seen the body on her?

• 40:43Speaker 02

  Have you seen her in the Kanye West music video? If you wanna feel awful about yourself, go and watch her in the Kanye West music video. You'll pass away. I have never, like, I have watched that on my.

• 40:55Speaker 03

  Sorry, Tiana. We should, I, we, we also honor the work, Tiana, we honor the work. We honor the work, we honor the work.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  Also the work of the body, fuck it up.

• 41:04Speaker 03

  Apparently Tiana, apparently Tiana Taylor and Jessie Buckley have become really good friends.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  I, I, I interviewed Tiana Taylor at, um, at the Oz Fair premiere and she was one of my favorites. I loved her. Sarah Paulson was really saying, but Tiana Taylor had so much time for me.

• 41:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:21Speaker 02

  She was just really nice and really saying, and I had been like drooling over, I think it's Kanye West fade she's in. And just watching her, like, Joe, I'd save that for private time if you're gonna watch it, I wouldn't watch it in work.

• 41:33Speaker 03

  How? I don't know how much ritalin she's on that she can do all this acting and keep that body going. My God. But someone was saying when Jessie Buckley was getting interviewed on, it was Carlson or one of the, one of the late night American shows. And they were saying that when they had Tiana on, when the show ended, she went up and shook hands with everyone in the audience and everything.

• 41:52Speaker 02

  Oh, God, I love that.

• 41:54Speaker 03

  I felt, I felt bad about the late late then. I was like, see ya. I was gone.

• 41:59Speaker 03

  Should have stayed and done the rounds. They're probably all like, Joanne, I've got my park and a bus to get your grant. No one wants to shake your hand.

• 42:05Speaker 02

  When I go to the late late, I'm gonna be handing out hand, there's gonna be one for everyone in the audience.

• 42:08Speaker 03

  You should, you should. It's a great move.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  You're actually not allowed to do that, you're not allowed to do that.

• 42:13Speaker 03

  You probably can't now, yeah.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  No, it has to go through this whole ad thing. So, sorry, Joanne was planning on giving out a few anxious preoccupied bags, but she wasn't legally allowed.

• 42:27Speaker 03

  That's it for this week. We've been our therapist goes to us. Thanks for listening. Subscribe, we're on YouTube if you fancy having a look at us. Ooh. I am in very dark sunglasses today because I, with the fear of jet lag, yes, last night I took a sleeping tablet and two melatonin jellies. So I'm not going to wake up till 6pm.

• 43:07Speaker 01

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