Pod Insights My Therapist Ghosted Me MTGM EXTRA! "He's been reading my journals." About this episode It's necessarily that Joanne has a lot of time on her hands, but she has been asking Chat GPT to suggest drag names for her and Vogue. Meanwhile, Vogue recalls the time her Mother was less than impressed by a school report.
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Transcript 0:02 Speaker 00 This is a Global Player original podcast.
0:10 Speaker 01 Hello and welcome to the longest bonus we've ever recorded.
0:15 Speaker 01 I hope you enjoy it. This is Joanne, this is Jo and Vogue. We are My Therapist Ghosts with Me.
0:26 Speaker 02 I did Claire Byrne live the other day and she was saying that you were coming in to talk to her. Oh, you look, you don't look like you don't know you're talking to Claire Byrne.
0:35 Speaker 01 I do, I do.
0:36 Speaker 02 Yeah, is this about the Paddy's Day thing?
0:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, hang on a sec. I don't know.
0:40 Speaker 02 She hadn't a fucking clue now.
0:42 Speaker 01 No, I did. I've got a few things on. I've got a few bits and bobs.
0:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
0:46 Speaker 01 It will be, I love Claire Byrne live.
0:48 Speaker 02 But I was like, Vogue was so gassed. I suppose we're both like booked and busy and working and whatever. But like, I was like, I do not know. I was like, why is she coming in? She goes, I'm not sure, actually. I was like, she could literally be announcing a fucking Netflix, but like, you just wouldn't know, Vogue, what she's up to.
1:06 Speaker 01 Well, I'd put on a three arena myself, would you?
1:14 Speaker 01 Anyway, I'm not doing it now. I've pushed live at the Apollo. I'm not actually doing it for a while because I'm doing Taskmaster first. So I want to just get the Taskmaster filming out.
1:24 Speaker 03 That's only fair.
1:25 Speaker 02 Out of the way. Out of the way. No, you're dead right. And you need the Christmas market.
1:30 Speaker 01 I'll be in the comedy clubs this weekend though. What's that one that you go to, Joanne?
1:36 Speaker 02 Top Secret.
1:37 Speaker 01 I'll be at Top Secret on Friday. Only in 20 minute sets.
1:42 Speaker 02 You'll be like me.
1:43 Speaker 01 What's the other one that you go to?
1:44 Speaker 02 Always Be in Caddington.
1:45 Speaker 01 Oh yeah, that's what I meant. I already knew that because I'm gonna be there.
1:48 Speaker 02 Your love always be. In Top Secret. So I, because I don't get listed in Top Secret anymore. Because obviously I'm trying to sell a tour. So you're like, you know, you don't list yourself in the clubs. But they do a silhouette of you and they make it very clear that it's you. They're like, as seen on Taskmaster from Dublin. Host of My Therapist Ghosts with Me. Like Mark makes it like clear. But I was like, I cannot wait to see your silhouette in Top Secret. I'm like, wow.
2:13 Speaker 02 Off she goes.
2:14 Speaker 01 She, there she is, stepping on more toes.
2:17 Speaker 02 A tight 25, a tight 25 down Top Secret.
2:22 Speaker 01 Apps, that's all I have for you right now. Currently just working up the old tour.
2:26 Speaker 02 Yeah, you're working up the tour. You're doing a whip. You're doing a work in progress.
2:30 Speaker 02 I can't wait to see it.
2:31 Speaker 01 I'd pass away. I'd rather take to the grave than take to the stage and do Top Secret.
2:38 Speaker 02 Well, I don't know why you're, oh yes, that Top Secret. I was saying, I don't know why you're saying that. Cause we were chatting about doing another tour. So, I mean, you.
2:45 Speaker 01 Ah, no, I, I do another tour with you because as I've said before, I could die in my hole and it wouldn't matter. I could just walk off and just leave you to it.
2:54 Speaker 02 You trust me and I trust you and that's very important on the stage. You have to trust your on stage with.
2:59 Speaker 01 Not like that time when Svenny just stood in front of me. Remember, it was so bad. Svenny literally just basically, I was just background noise to him.
3:09 Speaker 02 Yeah. He was like, in the words of our great philosopher, Marty McCutcheon, he was like, this is my moment. It's my perfect moment with you. And I was like, where's Vogue? I haven't seen her in ages.
3:26 Speaker 01 And anytime I did try and peer out, he just moved. It was like he sensed I was trying to come out.
3:31 Speaker 02 I was like, there's an Afghan hound trying to creep out the back there and he's not letting it happen. It's not letting it happen.
3:37 Speaker 01 Oh, the poor little shite. And he came off stage and he's like, that was brilliant. And I was like, you're dead.
3:43 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Yeah. He got caught up in the moment. Happens to the best of us.
3:47 Speaker 01 Hang on, sorry, one second. Bagel is at door.
3:50 Speaker 02 Bagel is at door. It's a fun stripper's name.
3:55 Speaker 01 Is it Bagels?
3:57 Speaker 02 Oh, it's a bagel.
3:59 Speaker 01 It's, it's called Bee Bagel, actually. And I'm about to get myself the coronation chicken.
4:03 Speaker 02 Vogue, okay. Thank you. Thank you for the information.
4:08 Speaker 01 I have to tell my driver in case he leaves. Hi, just coming now. Two secs. 20 minutes or so, then I'll be back.
4:19 Speaker 02 Okay, sorry. I'm glad we're not on Patreon. Imagine charging people for this absolute horseshit. Let's just talk about a lunch order.
4:26 Speaker 01 I, I, my ears perk up when you're filming something and I hear what someone's had for breakfast. I'm like, great, I love hearing that.
4:34 Speaker 02 Folk, folk, folk, folk, focus, focus.
4:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:36 Speaker 02 I don't want you to ask me how I got to this point, but I was chatting to my Chachi BT the other night and I put in, I was, look, I have a lot of time on my own, drag names for me. And I, and then I asked it for drag names for you.
4:51 Speaker 01 Oh, fantastic. This is great use of time.
4:54 Speaker 02 I've got a great one for you.
4:56 Speaker 01 Okay.
4:58 Speaker 02 Vogue villains.
4:59 Speaker 01 Vogue villains. I think I could be sexier. I'm sorry, that's what you think of me.
5:04 Speaker 02 Oh, well, that's what Chachi, I, Chachi BT says.
5:07 Speaker 01 This is what I mean about Chachi BT. It's like when people.
5:10 Speaker 02 It doesn't like you, I can tell you. It was very mean about you.
5:13 Speaker 01 Did you Chachi BT me and ask about me?
5:17 Speaker 02 Yeah, I said, drag names for me. And I, no, my, my drag names for me was, do you wanna ride or something?
5:22 Speaker 01 And then for you. Oh, that's a good one. See, I like that.
5:25 Speaker 02 Well, I came up with one myself, which was, do you wanna restaurant order?
5:30 Speaker 02 Yeah. But it had Vogue villains for you. I, I thought it was kinda sexy, you know?
5:34 Speaker 01 That's it, Vogue villains.
5:35 Speaker 02 But there was other ones, but that was the one that stuck out to me. No? You're not, you're not thrilled?
5:40 Speaker 01 I'll, I'll, I think I'll make up my own one. I'll come back. I'll come back on the main.
5:44 Speaker 02 Fine, fine, fine, fine.
5:44 Speaker 01 Give me a moment.
5:45 Speaker 02 I'll tell Chachi BT you've, you've refused the offer. Joe, I'll try you next. I'll try you for next.
5:50 Speaker 01 Tell Chachi BT it's doing a bad job. I think it went Sean John. You know, you know they'd wear that anymore.
5:55 Speaker 02 Sorry?
5:56 Speaker 01 It's not saying Sean John?
5:57 Speaker 02 No, it's House of Sunny.
5:59 Speaker 01 Oh, thank God. Okay, good.
6:01 Speaker 02 Who's Sean John?
6:02 Speaker 01 John's just in the hotel room playing Gary Glitter on the piano wearing Sean John.
6:10 Speaker 02 Head to toe in P Diddy.
6:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's P Diddy's brand. He's that out of it.
6:16 Speaker 02 I bought this jacket off my uncle Jimmy Savile. I don't know, he's passed on it. It was a probate sale.
6:22 Speaker 01 We know. You, you just took a box of his stuff. You're like, I'll give you two hundred quid.
6:26 Speaker 02 I said it before and I'll say it again. Say what you want about Jimmy. Great style.
6:32 Speaker 01 Did anybody, speaking of Jimmy Savile, did anyone do their homework and watch Manosphere Louis Theroux?
6:38 Speaker 02 No, but you did say it was for the main, not the bonus. So I haven't watched it yet, but I'm very intrigued by the size of the man's arm in the promo shot. I'm a, I'm, I'm, I'm expecting hot sexy scenes. Louis is kinda trapped his head in his.
6:51 Speaker 01 I love Louis. Love him.
6:53 Speaker 02 I like, I like, I like Louis.
6:55 Speaker 01 I like him a lot. I just think he's so, he just, he riles them up, but not even meaning to, because they're just like, I'm just gonna say one thing about it, we'll talk about it properly on the main, because you will.
7:07 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I will, I will, of course.
7:08 Speaker 01 I just felt like such of, I looked at them and I was like, I would be ashamed to be your mother. And I don't think that very often about people. And it is just like, I would feel like, what the fuck have I done? Where, like, sorry, I shouldn't say I would be ashamed to be their mother, because it's not their mother's fault that they have turned out the way they have. I actually felt sorry for them, because I just saw them as so pathetic.
7:34 Speaker 02 Well, more on Friday. More on Friday. Now, I, look, I'm, I'm, you know, they're allowed to play devil's advocate and.
7:41 Speaker 01 You're a man in America. Now, wait, Lucy, you're a man in America.
7:44 Speaker 02 Oh, no.
7:44 Speaker 01 Good God.
7:46 Speaker 02 But I'm saying, having not even watched it, and obviously as someone with a degree in sociology, did I mention that?
7:52 Speaker 01 No, you've actually never mentioned that. I'm not joking. You said arts.
7:57 Speaker 02 I don't know, it's sociology, study of society. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
8:01 Speaker 01 No.
8:01 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah. What I'm saying is, the manosphere is a direct response to the Me Too movement. And it's like, remember, do you know they're always talking about this pendulum and it goes really far right, then it goes really far left, and it's a response to that. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm saying this hasn't come from nowhere.
8:21 Speaker 01 But it's also.
8:22 Speaker 02 Forward to watch it.
8:24 Speaker 01 I think, I think it's also, like, Louis looks into all their backgrounds and how they were brought up and stuff like that. And there's always like common denominators between all of them. So you can, oh, it's just, anyway, let's talk about it on the main.
8:38 Speaker 02 I always think there's, when I look at people, I'm like, what brought them to that point? That's what I, that's what I find really interesting. It's not the point I find interesting. It's like, what brought them there? Anyway, look, I'll do my homework. We'll discuss it on the main.
8:51 Speaker 01 When you think about yourself, though, some things that you've done and stuff, it's like, how did I? Think that was okay?
8:56 Speaker 02 Stop. I know. I, I don't want, like even.
8:58 Speaker 01 What?
8:59 Speaker 02 Yeah, I know. I could not agree more. It's wild. I think I've become a different person every four days.
9:05 Speaker 01 Yeah, me too. I hate when people, when people ask you as well. It's like, so what, any regrets? And I'm like, there's no point in starting this because there's quite the list. And I, I just think it's better to say to yourself, do you know what? It's fine. You don't need to regret it. Just forget about it.
9:20 Speaker 02 I, I am very clear. Any, because especially when you're doing like a significant amount of interviews, you can lose track of what you've said before, what you've said previously. And like I say, because I do change my opinion on things quite a lot. I'm quite suggestible and I'll read an article and I'll think that and then I'll read another article and think that. And I'm always very honest in interviews. I say, look, I, I'm, I'm probably a raving hypocrite. Like, no, don't hold me to anything.
9:44 Speaker 01 Oh gosh, come on. Every, everybody says things are hypocritical.
9:47 Speaker 02 But you have to flag it because then people are like, oh, hold on, you said this thing last week. You're like, well, yeah, I was a different person last week.
9:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, that was Joanne from four days ago.
9:56 Speaker 02 Exactly, yeah.
9:57 Speaker 01 What the fuck was she talking about?
9:58 Speaker 02 I was an incel then and now I've changed because I got the right and now I'm very feminist again. Just, I would say, like, look, I'm not going to recommend, I'm not going to tell you how to mother, but I would say, please don't ever buy Theodore Otto gaming chairs.
10:17 Speaker 01 I was in a gaming chair yesterday. I was filming, I was filming a thing and they had three gaming chairs. And I'm like, these, it wasn't even comfortable. I felt like I was on a, what's it called? Where they strap you on.
10:30 Speaker 02 Rotor coaster.
10:30 Speaker 01 A stretcher.
10:31 Speaker 02 Libotomy.
10:32 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah. And I was like, these aren't even comfortable. They set you back quite a few bob. No, my kids will never get a gaming chair. T's not, he, he started getting into what's it called, Roblox. And then I, everyone was saying that people were grooming kids on it. So I stopped him using that. And now what he does is, which I find even worse. He sits and like, if, this is if he's really lucky. So like on a Friday night, I'll let him watch that Caffener. This, he goes on and onto YouTube and he watches this like 40 year old man playing Roblox, talking about it.
11:04 Speaker 01 Like, it's like, you're just sitting, watching somebody else do it and he loves it.
11:08 Speaker 02 Oh God, this is giving incel, it's giving incel Vogue, I'm concerned, I'm very concerned.
11:14 Speaker 01 I had their parent teacher meeting yesterday and it was top marks and I skipped in there, skipped in there because I knew it would be top marks because my mom used to go and then she came home crying one year and I knew it hadn't gone well. And she never went back. She said that was, I'm not doing that again. She said I had to go around to every teacher and have them say the most awful things.
11:37 Speaker 02 Yeah.
11:38 Speaker 01 Then she came home crying.
11:39 Speaker 02 Was this about you or Amber?
11:42 Speaker 01 About me. And then you know, because you know, you're like, you know, they're going and you're like, but I knew when she was going, I was like, this is gonna be bad news. This is not good. Like usually I'd be like, what did they say? And I was like, I remember being upstairs in my room and watching your drive back in the driveway being like, oh no, it's over for me now.
11:59 Speaker 02 Yeah. I love that Sandra, instead of Sandra being like, I need to kind of work on Vogue and get her to a certain, she was like, fuck that, not going back. Do, let her do what she wants. I'm not listening to this shit again. Also, I'm actually not worried about Theodore Otto at all. If anyone's going to get deeply involved in the manosphere, it's going to be Gigi. So that's who I would look out for. That's who I would look out for. Yeah. Insol 101, I can see her fucking puppeteering them all.
12:25 Speaker 01 Puppeteering them all. Yeah. She is, she's, she's a popular girl, our Gigi. So yeah, she could kind of sway anybody.
12:41 Speaker 02 My American tour, I mean, it sounds lofty, but like, I guess that is what it is. Went on sale. The day of the sale, they send you through the like, sales reports at the end of the day.
12:51 Speaker 01 Is it Yovely?
12:54 Speaker 01 It's Yovely.
12:55 Speaker 02 It makes Yova look like I saw it at Radio City.
12:59 Speaker 01 I love that you have this. You can still be humble. She can still have an arena on sale, two arenas on sale and she still manages to be humble.
13:08 Speaker 02 Now, nothing, nothing will soften your confidence of sales report from America, I can tell you.
13:16 Speaker 01 A voice box left.
13:19 Speaker 02 Las Vegas, zero percent sold. Salt Lake City, zero percent sold. And of course, I'm there on to Tommy, then Tommy Pucciani, who's my American agent. I'm like, why the fuck am I going to Salt Lake City anyway? I was like, oh no, it's Winnipeg all over again, but for two months.
13:37 Speaker 03 Not big with the Mormons.
13:39 Speaker 02 Not big with the Mormons. Did you know that, Jo? Did you know that there were Mormons in Salt Lake City?
13:43 Speaker 01 Well, the Mormons of Salt Lake City.
13:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, because of the musical, because of Book of Mormon.
13:48 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
13:49 Speaker 03 Well, switch it up.
13:50 Speaker 02 Oh, yes. Well, Tommy was like, Joanne, you haven't said anything about them. So anyway, real quick, real quick, real quick. You can speed this up, Jo, or you can cut it, because you know I don't listen to the podcast, because I hate my own voice.
14:01 Speaker 01 Imagine we just weren't, we just weren't selling her tour. We just kept cutting it out the whole time.
14:06 Speaker 02 Imagine I wasn't on the podcast. Imagine it was just you guys.
14:11 Speaker 01 Jo, let's edge her out, yeah?
14:13 Speaker 02 Quick one, quick one. I'm just gonna fly through these towns and cities. And if any of these appeal to you, or you know anyone near them. Seattle, Portland, San Fran, Sacramento, Denver, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Las Vegas. Phoenix, Vancouver, Houston, Austin, Austin, Dallas, Chicago, Washington, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Boston, Toronto.
14:32 Speaker 01 That was the worst selling I've ever heard, but okay.
14:35 Speaker 02 Look, I don't want to monopolize the podcast by selling tickets.
14:39 Speaker 01 Do you remember the woman who came to our gig and was a Toronto?
14:44 Speaker 02 Well, there was more than one woman, thank God. Go on.
14:47 Speaker 01 And she brought her mother in the urn.
14:49 Speaker 02 Why didn't you leave with the woman who brought her mother in the urn, Vogue? Then I would have remembered.
14:52 Speaker 01 Well, we didn't. There wasn't that many people, we didn't know that many people who would come backstage. But Joanne would just like, when we were on tour, would land me with stuff. And then there would be the most fascinating stories. And I'd be like, yeah, yeah, they can come back.
15:06 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah. I was like, and she could be like...
15:07 Speaker 01 I'd be like, my auntie's sister's coming back, Joanne. And Joanne's like, there's a woman with her mom in an urn. And I was just like, okay.
15:18 Speaker 01 My auntie sister, that's my other auntie, sorry.
15:21 Speaker 02 With the dark situation, she was so nice, wasn't she?
15:23 Speaker 01 She was really nice and she brought us funny gifts.
15:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, she did. Was it her mother? Did she give us her mother in the end?
15:30 Speaker 01 No, she didn't give us the mother. She gave us the most enormous bag of weed jellies I've ever seen in my entire life. She gave Joanne Uppers and me downers. Yeah, we couldn't even take them home. It was terrible waste.
15:43 Speaker 02 I did, stuffed them into my nature's pocket.
15:47 Speaker 03 No, you did not.
15:48 Speaker 01 Stuffed them in nature's pockets? What does that mean?
15:54 Speaker 02 Think about it.
15:55 Speaker 01 A panula?
15:56 Speaker 02 Yeah, nature's pocket. You've got a pouch down there.
16:00 Speaker 01 I can't, Joanne, don't call it a pouch.
16:03 Speaker 03 You don't want to be stopped at customs when you go to the US in a chocolate.
16:07 Speaker 01 Oh, she's not getting in. She's not getting in.
16:11 Speaker 02 What are you on about? I'm getting in. I'm performing for Trump in the White House, fucking thrilled.
16:15 Speaker 01 Someone slagged my, someone was slagging my mole again. How unusual. Like, find a better thing to slag me about. So she was slagging me about and I, what I like to do is go on to their profile.
16:24 Speaker 02 Sorry, slag her right the fuck she wasn't mature enough to skip transition here. That's what I'd be focusing on.
16:32 Speaker 01 So I went and looked at her profile.
16:34 Speaker 02 I have to say, I love that. Loved it. I've thought about it loads since, yeah.
16:39 Speaker 01 But I went and looked at her profile because usually I'd be like, oh, and then I, I, I saw she's, she was a Trump supporter. And I was about to mention something about that and I said, no, I might go to America soon.
16:50 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Less is more there. Less is more.
16:52 Speaker 01 Have you seen it about the Dubai influencers where supposedly Dubai are telling the influencers to say only nice things?
16:59 Speaker 02 Do you reckon that's true though?
17:01 Speaker 01 I don't.
17:01 Speaker 02 Or is that, like, I mean, really?
17:03 Speaker 01 It's a nice bit of gossip to hear all the saying.
17:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I agree, I agree. But you know what's so funny? Like, so people are so anti the influencer community in Dubai. But you have to also remember Dubai is basically like creating these packages for influencers to go out. Very appealing packages and they're kind of enticing them out there. No tax, they're offering them like good quality jobs, all this shit. Like, my point is don't hate the player, hate the game.
17:33 Speaker 01 I really feel like we should look into a no tax situation over here in the UK. I think it would be lovely.
17:38 Speaker 02 Vogel, I mean, there's no end.
17:40 Speaker 03 That's outside the box thinking.
17:43 Speaker 01 You want me to?
17:43 Speaker 02 No tax. Hear me out. Hear me out.
17:47 Speaker 01 No tax.
17:48 Speaker 02 No tax.
17:49 Speaker 01 No tax. And hang on, wait for this. Better healthcare.
17:54 Speaker 02 Well, well, well.
17:56 Speaker 01 Lower energy costs.
17:58 Speaker 02 Off she goes to number 10 Daling Street.
18:02 Speaker 01 Do you know what? I keep getting invited there and I don't know the etiquette around it. I'm like, I don't think I should go.
18:07 Speaker 02 Vogel, no, go. I'm sorry now.
18:09 Speaker 01 I've said no, I've said no like three times. But you know what? If I'm gonna say no, I have to have an invite to, to, to, to somewhere in Ireland. Like, why am I gonna go? I want to be at the party.
18:20 Speaker 02 As one of your closest friends and as someone who is in business with you, I would please ask before you land into 10 Daling Street that you would confer with me.
18:29 Speaker 01 Daling. She keeps going Daling Street.
18:31 Speaker 02 What's it called?
18:32 Speaker 01 Downing.
18:33 Speaker 02 Downing, Downing.
18:35 Speaker 01 Downing Street.
18:36 Speaker 02 Whatever, whatever, whatever. I'm never going there, okay? And as someone who's in a business with you, can we just remember how much shit Paul Meskukoff was saying he preferred London over Dublin? If you wanna run this, if you wanna run this podcast Instagram. When did he say that?
18:48 Speaker 01 He didn't say that.
18:49 Speaker 02 In the same quickfire round that Jessie Buckley said she preferred cats. I'm pretty sure it was on the Ham and Presser. They said Dublin or London. He went, um, maybe London. And of course, Ireland erupted.
19:00 Speaker 01 Sometimes I say, I'm going home when I'm flying back to England, but I don't mean it. It's an accident. It's a slip of the tongue. It's flying home to Ireland. Don't worry.
19:08 Speaker 02 This is why I have you on Find My Friends. And if I ever find you near 10 Daling Street, I will fucking kick off.
19:14 Speaker 03 Because I'm not.
19:14 Speaker 03 I know the sensitivities of this well enough that I received an invitation for the two of you to Downing Street. I turned it down before I even spoke to you.
19:23 Speaker 01 They can't get enough. Well, they tried to swing it with an Irish thing last time. They were doing the St. Patrick's Day thing in 10 Daling Street and I said, oh, no, no.
19:30 Speaker 02 Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Was it free booze and canapes?
19:35 Speaker 03 Almost certainly.
19:36 Speaker 02 Joe, please, I, I, I should be informed of these invitations, please.
19:42 Speaker 02 Maybe I wanna go to Tenth Island Street. Try my way out.
19:45 Speaker 01 Well, you should go. You should get a picture at the front. Get a picture with a cat. They have a cat there.
19:49 Speaker 02 No, bring one of Jerry Adams' ducks. Do you know the little ducks that Jerry Adams uses?
19:53 Speaker 01 What the fuck? I saw Jerry Adams in the press. I'm like, they're still flogging this IRA stuff. Do we not know? Is this not a thing? I'm like, obviously.
20:04 Speaker 02 Sorry, sorry, sorry. Did you say they're still flogging this IRA stuff?
20:07 Speaker 01 He's still going into, going into court, being like, oh, I wasn't in it. It's like, oh, come on, Jerry.
20:13 Speaker 02 Oh, okay. Come on. Yeah, no, sorry. You mean flogging the fact that he's not in it?
20:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:19 Speaker 02 Sorry, sorry, sorry.
20:21 Speaker 01 He keeps saying he's not. And I'm like, and then I saw he was in court like last week. I'm like, sorry.
20:25 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:26 Speaker 01 He's still there. Denial is a river in Egypt. Jesus Christ, and it is a long river of denial.
20:32 Speaker 02 It's a, it's a very clear collab. It's a very clear collab.
20:41 Speaker 01 Hi, Joanne Fogan Show. Please keep me in on. I just felt compelled to weigh in on the old ex-boyfriend's writing letters issue.
20:50 Speaker 02 I love a callback.
20:51 Speaker 01 Bloody honest. I had an experience a couple of years ago where my ex got in touch after we'd broken up. Now, can I say that last time I'd seen him was at Dunleary Station, two weeks after we'd broken up, kissing a girl goodbye? Ow. Fair enough. I was more pissed off that he transgressed the north-south Dublin border. Him being such-
21:14 Speaker 02 We could have had a run at that, maybe.
21:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, I was more pissed off that he transgressed the north-south Dublin border, him being such a staunch Northsider.
21:22 Speaker 02 Yes.
21:24 Speaker 01 I get this email. He talks about the breakup, et cetera. Also, how crushing it must have been for me to see him with another girl. I broke up with him six months after emotionally detaching. He went on to say he'd never kissed other girls while we were together. I hadn't thought he had before this, but well, why would he have mentioned it otherwise?
21:43 Speaker 02 Because he's lying.
21:45 Speaker 01 Anyway, it's okay. I've moved on to my next emotionally unavailable partner. Things have been going reasonably well. Oh, no. Until I found out he's been reading my journals routinely for the last few months.
22:01 Speaker 01 I'm actually pretty boring.
22:03 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, fine. Okay.
22:04 Speaker 01 So I don't think he found much, but I've been really angry and sad about the whole thing. That's bizarre.
22:11 Speaker 02 Okay, continue.
22:13 Speaker 01 The whole thing has given me an ugh feeling. The problem is we're due to get married at the end of the year. And I've asked my nieces to be flower girls. This whole thing has really given me pause for thought. But obviously I don't want to let anyone down, least of all my nieces. What should I do? I love your opinions. Oh, God, well.
22:31 Speaker 02 Well, you can't let the nieces down.
22:35 Speaker 02 You can't let the nieces down.
22:36 Speaker 01 That's what happened with my first marriage. I didn't want to let the nieces down.
22:39 Speaker 02 They're probably, they're excited. They're probably 10, 11. They're probably on the pen, getting ready for their big day. You cannot let them down.
22:45 Speaker 01 You bought the dresses, you bought the fair friends.
22:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, you can't let these children down.
22:50 Speaker 01 Now, what I will say, okay, just be honest, right? Okay, and I know it's, this is a terrible, terrible thing to say. But like, Spenny had a diary beside the bed. I just, I'd really struggle not to read it. I have to be honest.
23:05 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:06 Speaker 01 And I, I value his privacy and I respect it, but
23:09 Speaker 02 Sure.
23:09 Speaker 01 Not, not that much.
23:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
23:11 Speaker 01 It would, it would be like a tick. It would be like if I kept seeing blue raz vapes all over the house. I'd have, eventually have to have one. I wouldn't be able to hold off, even though I don't vape anymore. It'd be like, it'd be like the book over there. I just, do you want, you'd read it? If you came in and you saw Spenny journal, you'd read it.
23:30 Speaker 02 Like, like, listen, you, you value Spencer's privacy until the privacy is sitting at the bedside table. And then you'll read the privacy. That's just ultimately what it is. I
23:40 Speaker 01 I like the privacy if it's locked in his pocket. That's, that's privacy for me.
23:44 Speaker 02 I mean, we, we I think the lesson here is to move on to a digital diary, I would say, and like lock it away. I think most people will, but you're never got, like, even sometimes, do you know what I had the, the maddest thought recently? It's actually not that mad. So I've started journaling, right? And I, you know, journaling my thoughts and ideas and kind of grounding myself a little bit. But then I started thinking, if I got knocked over by a bus tomorrow, like, so say I'm like giving out about my mom. I don't know, whatever.
24:13 Speaker 01 I'd read them.
24:17 Speaker 02 Your name has been redacted. Your name has been redacted. Full Epstein files.
24:23 Speaker 01 That fucking bitch.
24:26 Speaker 02 I was like, imagine when you die. Like, I think the same about my WhatsApp messages. Or like, when you pass on, who gets these things? And then I start writing really performatively, like, everyone's fab. Everyone's fab. Joe looks great at the moment. What a kind man. Because you're like, what if everyone reads this stuff? And I also think it's no one's business, but we're, the human condition is, we are nosy bastards. I also think, and this is a really toxic thing to say, but I'm gonna say it. I think, oh, I think I'd be flattered that he cared.
25:03 Speaker 01 I'm so embarrassed. John, between me and you, this is, this is bad news.
25:09 Speaker 02 I think I'd be flattered. Like, now, I've had a run of kind of not great relationships of late.
25:16 Speaker 02 But I think I'd be flattered that he cared.
25:18 Speaker 01 I know. I just don't.
25:20 Speaker 02 You'll be a different person in four days. That's it. Yeah, in four days' time, I'll speak fluent Mandarin and I'll be like.
25:27 Speaker 01 I just, I just think I'd get over it. I would. And I know, I know that it's like an invasion of privacy. And it's totally different if spending around mine. If he can't be reading his, it's different to if he, if I got him reading mine. But I do think.
25:39 Speaker 02 What the fuck is gonna be in his story? He ate a chicken breast around 5K. Who cares?
25:47 Speaker 01 Just all of his, just all of his running times. I remember he took up golf and my mom was like, how did you play today? And he went into detail of 18 holes. And my mom was like, Spencer, that's not how it's, you tell me about your best hole. I don't want to know about 18.
26:02 Speaker 02 I mean, 18, that's labor, that's a laborious story.
26:06 Speaker 01 He tells me about his laps, his laps. He tells me about the kilometres and I'm like, fuck.
26:11 Speaker 02 When I think about that woman and the diary thing, my, my, my, my brain flicks through all the relationships I've had and each one of them, I would have a different response if they read my diary. Do you know what I mean? Like, so every relationship was so different, every diary entry at the time of the relationship would have been so different. I've gone out with men who I, I was like, do, do you even know we're going out? So in that regard, I'd be like, kind of flattered they read it. I've gone out with other guys who I'm like, I can't fucking breathe in this. I'm gonna, I'm gonna suffocate. And that, if they read my diary, I would have been like, go mad. So it's really hard to tell. But like, she's marrying him.
26:48 Speaker 01 You can't just not marry him because of that. Well, you can not marry him because of that if it's really freaked you out, but I think that you just need to have a proper conversation with him. But I'm just saying, that wouldn't be a massive deal breaker to me because I, if I am being very honest, I, I wouldn't, I'm a terrible person.
27:02 Speaker 02 There's an argument, if you're gonna be a big diary writer, there is an argument for marrying someone with literacy issues. You're gonna have to go lock and key. Like, you need to put this, you need to lock this stuff down.
27:15 Speaker 01 And for anyone who would be able to look at that piece of jewelry and not read it, well done. I think that you're fantastic.
27:23 Speaker 02 Great restraint. And also, when you are writing those things, like, I find when I take pen to paper, it's usually when I have something on my mind, I'm kind of stressed, I'm maybe a little overworked, or I feel like someone's not being very nice to me, or I feel misunderstood. And so it's, I don't, I'm not writing positive stuff necessarily. It's more, you know, your daily struggles and like, people wrecking your head and stuff. So it can kind of be an unfair representation of how you feel about things. But like, if your diary's just sitting around and you're living with a man who can read, I mean, come on.
27:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
27:58 Speaker 02 Am I victim blaming, Jo? You're looking at me.
28:00 Speaker 03 I think you probably felt just short of victim blaming there.
28:03 Speaker 02 Would you read Josie's diary?
28:05 Speaker 03 I wouldn't. And she doesn't.
28:08 Speaker 01 Of course he's gonna say that on the pod, come on.
28:10 Speaker 02 Oh, no, no, no, he's gonna use that, he's gonna, he's gonna say, because we work him so hard, that's what he's gonna say, that he doesn't have the energy to read. I know, he's gonna, he's gonna throw it back in our face, he's gonna make it our fault.
28:18 Speaker 03 Just don't have the time.
28:19 Speaker 02 Down at the time, of course, down at the time. Yeah, yeah. I knew, I knew that was, I knew that was coming.
28:27 Speaker 02 That's it for this week. I'm gonna have to dash. I have a diary entry to put in. Just gonna leave my intrusive, open, vulnerable thoughts by the side of my bed and let strangers read them.
28:40 Speaker 01 I look forward to reading them. Thank you.
28:43 Speaker 02 Oh, well then I'm gonna edit the whole... I'm gonna have to do a serious edit on this. Hold on.
28:48 Speaker 01 Not a [BLEEP].
28:49 Speaker 02 Not a [BLEEP].
28:55 Speaker 02 Where's that tip, actually? What a [BLEEP].
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