Pod Insights My Therapist Ghosted Me MTGM EXTRA! "Sex is off the cards." About this episode An email this week from a straight male listener, proving that they DO exist! Meanwhile, Vogue vows to be more Joanne and Joanne is fielding questions about varicose veins.
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Transcript 0:10 Speaker 00 Hello and welcome to the bonus episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me with me, Vogue Williams and Joanne Nally.
0:20 Speaker 01 And our little gal, Paul Jo. Joseph. Hey, Jo.
0:25 Speaker 00 Everyone is so shocked and almost appalled when I post a picture of Jo. It's like, what? He's not a 900 year old man.
0:32 Speaker 01 I think, yeah, I wonder, sometimes it's quite jarring when you see the face attached to a voice that you're so used to hearing but have never seen. And I guess you're that guy, Jo. You're jarring Jo. You jar. You jar people.
0:44 Speaker 02 Like when you read books, you cast, do you ever do that? When you read a book, you cast people in the role. So you sort of have the person that you imagine in your mind. So I suppose people do that for podcasts.
0:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
0:54 Speaker 00 And you're so disappointed when like the person, it like, I, I don't know.
0:59 Speaker 01 Is Jo. I know. It's hard. That's why we shouldn't, Vogue, I said, let's not post. We just, it's upsetting.
1:05 Speaker 00 I met Jo in her life. I was so upset.
1:09 Speaker 01 We don't let people down, you know? That's not real in the year. It's only started.
1:15 Speaker 00 I tell you what, my year's going pretty well. I've decided to be more Joanne in 2025. Have you noticed?
1:21 Speaker 01 Oh, Jesus. What the heck? Go on. I'm ready for the insult. What's this?
1:25 Speaker 00 Well, you were off to South Africa and I was like, that bitch is off on holidays. She's dead right. And I need to go on holidays.
1:31 Speaker 01 You're literally only back.
1:34 Speaker 00 That wasn't a holiday.
1:35 Speaker 02 That was Christmas.
1:36 Speaker 00 That was Christmas. That does not count. That was, that was in 2024. Joanne, I'm talking about 2025.
1:45 Speaker 01 2024 is the olden days. Like, I call that back in the day now. Like, like, that's cholera times. That's
1:51 Speaker 00 The old me. Yeah.
1:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:54 Speaker 00 Anyway, Spenny and I decided to go on a three day ski trip alone, on our own.
2:01 Speaker 01 Is that where you are now? Because I don't recognise the background.
2:04 Speaker 00 Yeah, that's where I am now. And I had a very, we went out in the slopes and I kind of ruined, we had a half a day to go on the slopes. I really wanted to shoop shoop all day long. And unfortunately, my calves got in the way again. Got in the way again.
2:20 Speaker 01 What, did they detach? What happened?
2:22 Speaker 00 So I went down, I got my boots and I was grand. The boots fitted me footwise, footwise, perfect fit. Calfwise, not perfect fit. I had to stop in the slopes and open them and I was like, and I was breathing like when I was giving birth. It's when he was like, what's wrong with you? And I was like, ah, oh, this, ah, I was literally like that. And he was like, what's wrong? And I was like, it's the circulation.
2:46 Speaker 01 Sorry. Like, so what, what are you, what are you saying to me? That a woman with a strong calf can't ski?
2:54 Speaker 00 No, she, she's got to buy bigger boots. So I got back onto that big boot company and I said, listen, I'll do the deal with you if you also make ski boots, because now I'm in desperate need.
3:05 Speaker 01 I know, this is like a real doll book. You're like Mrs. Trunchkin. What was her name? You're now your one to shop with her.
3:12 Speaker 00 Mrs. Trunchball.
3:16 Speaker 01 Mrs. Trunchball with the big Soviet Union bun. Do you remember her?
3:20 Speaker 00 I had my hair in a bun like that for New Year's Eve and I was like, Sven, do I look like too much like Mrs. Trunchball? And he was like, yeah. And I had to take it down.
3:28 Speaker 01 It's a tight, it's a tight bun, you know? She's in, it's a no nonsense hair style. It's like nothing can get in the way. I have enough to deal with with the calves, do you know what I mean? I can't have anything falling in the face.
3:38 Speaker 00 The pleasure of taking the boots off, I can't tell you, it's better than anything I've ever felt in my life. I was literally like,
3:45 Speaker 01 I find that, like, I, that bothers me because, you know, not everyone who skis has the legs of Gwyneth Paltrow. Some women who ski have a girthier calf. Like, I don't understand why they're not being accommodated.
3:57 Speaker 00 Not many are as girthy as I, not many.
4:00 Speaker 01 It's a leggy sport. You need, you need a strong leg to push yourself forward, ski, if you will.
4:06 Speaker 00 I would say it's more the thighs that are pushing you forward. And Amber, listen, Amber would have the same problem as me because Amber too is on the larger leg scale.
4:14 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:15 Speaker 00 She won't mind me saying, because it's very obvious, we know we can't wear certain things like brogues and things like that, they're just not for us and we understand.
4:21 Speaker 01 Yeah, everybody's different. Tick, tick, tick. You know, the skiing community's lucky to have you, frankly.
4:30 Speaker 01 Your poor calves. You'd want to make sure now, you'll get a varicose vein if you keep that up. And then it'd be absolutely raging.
4:36 Speaker 00 Yes, no, I won't be raging. I'll be straight into Debbie Thomas to get it lasered off.
4:40 Speaker 01 I'm going, I'm going back in now. I have another little one bubbling up on the kneecap that needs to be clipped out and it's not going to be lasered off. My varicose veins, I don't mean to brag, but they're way more.
4:52 Speaker 00 Bigger than mine?
4:52 Speaker 01 What would I say? Violent than yours. Yeah, yeah. Mine aren't like, oh, cutesy, lasered off veins. Mine are like, okay, we need to put her under general anaesthetic and more a surgery vibe than a dainty lasering.
5:05 Speaker 00 Do you get to be like put under?
5:07 Speaker 01 I've had three procedures so far. First one I want was general anaesthetic, 21.
5:14 Speaker 00 Is that, is that fully under?
5:15 Speaker 01 Yeah. Local is like when they kind of do it in the local area. So they'll just like do the.
5:21 Speaker 00 Surely it's local now. It's gonna be, it's gonna be a local facelift by the time we're getting.
5:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, no, they're gone now. Well, it's in like, you know, first one was general, next one was local, third one was local.
5:33 Speaker 00 And this is gonna be the fourth one?
5:34 Speaker 01 Mmm, fourth one, she says proudly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They just keep coming back. Not great. The only thing my body seems to rejuvenate is varicose veins.
5:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:45 Speaker 00 Listen, we all have our cross to bear. As other people will say, I have a wart hanging off my face.
5:50 Speaker 01 I said this before, when my, when the first, when the doctor, the first time that I had them done, he had me stood up on a box and he was drawing circles around them to, and he was like, who gave you these? Cause he's like, these are genetic. And I was like, I don't know actually. And then when I found both my birth parents, I asked the two of them and they're both, as you can imagine, heavily denied it. Oh yeah, like full Judas. They were like, I don't know what you're talking about.
6:13 Speaker 00 No offence, I'd be inclined, I'd be inclined to blame my mother. Yeah, yeah.
6:17 Speaker 01 Oh, do you reckon?
6:18 Speaker 00 The birth mother, yeah. I don't know why. I don't know.
6:20 Speaker 01 Or Pat's blame her anyway.
6:23 Speaker 00 No, actually, why are you letting Pat away with it?
6:26 Speaker 01 I know, yeah.
6:27 Speaker 00 She gets packed away with everything.
6:29 Speaker 01 I wouldn't be surprised if she somehow managed to flex nature. Wouldn't surprise me at all.
6:35 Speaker 01 Anyway, between your calves and my varicose veins, we shouldn't be seen from the waist down. Jo, how are you from the waist down? Genitals aside.
6:43 Speaker 02 Genitals aside, yeah, that left knee after the knee op, pretty, pretty good.
6:48 Speaker 00 You can't keep going on about the knee op. You can't keep going on about it. Sorry, it's been over a year now. That's it.
6:52 Speaker 02 I don't think I got any varicose veins, but I don't really know what they are.
6:56 Speaker 00 You don't know what a varicose vein is? It's a vein that pops out.
6:59 Speaker 02 But so I was just thinking, so Joanne, you're getting them lasered off. Do you not need veins?
7:03 Speaker 01 No. So, okay, Jo, that's a great question. Thanks for asking. This is like my own episode of Embarrassing Bodies. So basically, I said the same thing. I said, how many of these veins can I afford to lose, doctor? And he said, well, once they become varicose, which is how the medical community pronounce it, they no longer work anyway. So they are of no use to your body.
7:23 Speaker 00 Much like the appendix.
7:25 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:25 Speaker 02 Just sweeping them away.
7:26 Speaker 01 Kind of like the appendix, Vogue. Yeah, I guess. Similar.
7:30 Speaker 00 Do we all still have our appendix here?
7:32 Speaker 01 It's not like if the heart, if the heart kind of slows down briefly, they're like, fuck it, whip it out. These veins are no longer functioning. Yeah, they're just a waste of space. Yeah.
7:41 Speaker 02 Um, yes, Vogue, I do have an appendix. Yes.
7:44 Speaker 01 Vogue, riddle me this. Riddle, riddle me this.
7:47 Speaker 00 Only if you tell me if you have an appendix or not.
7:49 Speaker 01 I have an appendix, yeah. I have my own appendix.
7:51 Speaker 00 Okay, go on. What?
7:55 Speaker 00 You should be very proud of yourself. Well done.
7:56 Speaker 01 Very proud. Have my own appendix, yeah.
7:59 Speaker 00 What about the tonsils? What about the tonsils?
8:01 Speaker 01 Have my own tonsils? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, I'll be honest, I wish I hadn't. They were, they tormented me. I'll never forget when Covid left, when the, when we took the masks off. And do you remember Dennis the mechanic?
8:16 Speaker 00 The guy with the J claw?
8:17 Speaker 02 We do.
8:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, with the, with the J claw. There's a hand tail. Indeed, Vogue, yes.
8:23 Speaker 00 I'll never be able to forget that. I'll never forget that.
8:26 Speaker 01 Oh God. I should have done my, I should have done dating wrapped really, to be honest. I was thinking about doing one.
8:31 Speaker 00 I mean, at least get a fucking detail.
8:34 Speaker 01 Handle the trauma of doing it.
8:38 Speaker 01 I think I'd have to sedate myself, the shit we put up with. Anyway, yeah, so Dennis, who had a J. Claude, there's a handtail folded over and presented like a handtail in his bathroom. We were wearing, remember we were wearing face masks for ages and then we all, the face masks, we were given the thumbs up to take the face masks off. And so I obviously just started wearing the face off the mechanic within, I don't know, seven minutes after we got the thumbs up. And then the next day, I was like, oh, my throat feels, and within 24 hours, I had the worst, and I've had tonsillitis my whole life. The worst case of tonsillitis. It was brutal. They were like bulbous.
9:17 Speaker 01 Like, they were like marbles on my tonsils, these white marbles. It was so painful. And when I went to the doctor, she was like, it's because we've all been protecting our mouths for so long that there hasn't been a lot going in. And I'd only have you let like the environment in.
9:34 Speaker 01 J. Claude wielding
9:38 Speaker 01 MMA fighting mechanic into your mouths.
9:41 Speaker 00 Sorry, the way you said that there, he sounds pretty attractive.
9:45 Speaker 01 He actually was, he was quite hot, yeah. I miss him. Dennis, if you're listening.
9:48 Speaker 00 A tongue condom, Joanne.
9:52 Speaker 01 You know me, I'd be like, take that off, there's no need for that.
9:55 Speaker 02 You should get those tonsils lasered off.
9:57 Speaker 00 No, you're not meant to get the tonsils lasered off. I asked Amber, because she always gets tonsillitis, because her and Joanne are actually twins separated at birth. And she always gets it. And she said, if you get the tonsils off, then you're, you're prone to more chest infections.
10:11 Speaker 02 Oh no.
10:11 Speaker 01 Yeah, they do do something. They do kind of protect something like your insides or something. They do definitely have a job. There is a reason why they're there. They're not just flapping around in there for no reason. By the way, sorry, as much as our tonsils, thighs and knees are fascinating to the listeners. Can we take a minute for the Golden Globes? Did we see, did we watch?
10:32 Speaker 00 I only watched, yeah, I watched her. I watched her stuff. She was fucking hilarious.
10:39 Speaker 01 She was fab. She, she, she kind of, I would say, brought it back from the brink. Do you remember last year with your man, Joy? I can't remember his surname and I stood up for him. I liked him, but he wasn't. He struggled, is what we would say. And it was, you know, struggling on that level. I mean, it's not easy. It was like a global public struggle, but Nikki went in, boom, boom, boom.
10:56 Speaker 00 She does the roast, right? She's, she's done that roast, like the Justin Bieber roast and stuff like that. I just love, everyone wants to see celebs get slagged off.
11:06 Speaker 01 I don't like roasts.
11:07 Speaker 00 That's all she did with everyone. Did you see what she said about Timothy Chalamet?
11:11 Speaker 01 Yeah, with the eyelash and the, she's like, I love your eyelash above your lip. She's, so she was, she kind of went viral when she, she did Tom Brady's roast. But she's like a stand-up. But in America, they love those roasts. They love them. That's where Martha, that's where Martha Stewart came back. She roasted Snoop Dogg. That was her comeback. And I auditioned for Comedy Roast Battle when I first started out, when I first moved to the UK.
11:35 Speaker 00 Yeah.
11:35 Speaker 01 And I was like, I really don't want to do this. But obviously, I kind of, if you're asked to audition, you just do. And I was up against Kelly Convoy, who is a-
11:45 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah, I love Kelly.
11:46 Speaker 01 Another comic. She's a, she were good friends. She opened for Sacca's a couple of times. We hang out and stuff. And so we did it together, which was kind of worse, actually, because it's so personal. And I don't know. Anyway, I didn't get the job.
11:58 Speaker 00 You're not good at slagging people off, though. You're not, you don't like doing that.
12:00 Speaker 01 Not to their face.
12:02 Speaker 00 And you don't like being slagged off yourself.
12:04 Speaker 01 To their face. I mean, you know yourself. You'll have a little job at the time, but, you know, but with friends, but like, to their face. I just, I don't enjoy watching it. I don't find it fun to watch. You know, I'd rather watch shit's Greek. I don't want to watch a married couple-
12:20 Speaker 00 See, I love that.
12:22 Speaker 01 -call each other as stretch marks. And there was a couple that did it before, a married couple, and he said that she put on so much weight, but she was also depressed. And he didn't know whether they were stretch marks or self-harm scars on her. Like, yeah, stuff like that. And I think-
12:39 Speaker 00 Some of it's too, that's too far.
12:41 Speaker 01 She was like laughing and all. And like, it is actually kind of funny, but it's also like, I wouldn't, it's not how I want to spend my Saturday night. Anyway, I didn't get the job. But fair play to Nikki Dazer. I thought she did a great job at the Golden Gloves.
12:53 Speaker 00 I look forward to seeing you hosting it next year, John McNally.
12:56 Speaker 01 Indeed, exactly, yeah. If I can just be saying it, I've no problem doing that. Just telling you it's like, I can be wrong.
12:59 Speaker 00 Where was it? Were you with me and we were with Spen and he slagged my tits or something? And you were like, excuse me? Like, he said something about me having small tits and you went for him. And you're like, oh, I'm only allowed to say that. And he, like, he couldn't understand why he wasn't allowed to say it.
13:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was the tone or something. I just didn't like the tone of it.
13:18 Speaker 00 That sounds like you might have been serious. I know you look at those nipples all day long, but.
13:22 Speaker 01 It's all about the tone. Like, he didn't give it. There was no wink at the end. No. No, no, yeah, I intervened. Yeah. I don't have it sad. I can say you've got shit tits, but if your husband says it's totally different.
13:35 Speaker 00 Joe, you can actually, Joe, I'd accept it from you as well. You've become one of the gals. You can say it.
13:40 Speaker 02 Thanks, mate.
13:41 Speaker 01 Well, that's inappropriate. And also, sorry, obviously I'm taking a piss. You don't have shit tits. What you have is the very demure disco tits, which is.
13:49 Speaker 00 A disco tit, yeah.
13:50 Speaker 01 Apparently, I read a very interesting article recently, and it's talking about that, the amount of women as catapulted who are having breast reductions, that the small tit is in. The small tit is lit.
14:02 Speaker 00 The ti- the small.
14:03 Speaker 01 Small titties are litty.
14:04 Speaker 00 Is litty.
14:04 Speaker 01 Yeah. There's more women having reductions now than ever before.
14:08 Speaker 00 Thanks. You always know how to make me feel special.
14:11 Speaker 02 Are you saying that she's always on holiday? They're travel size.
14:14 Speaker 00 Travel size tits. Don't have to check them in. Yeah.
14:17 Speaker 02 Yeah.
14:18 Speaker 00 I save space in the baggage with no bras.
14:21 Speaker 01 You're like, oh, they're, they're under a hundred mil. You can take them on yourself.
14:34 Speaker 00 Hi, Joanne and Vogue. I'd appreciate if you keep me anonymous. I'm a heterosexual, married man with kids in my early 40s. I've been listening to the pod for a couple of years now and absolutely love it. A lot of your listeners' letters from people who are sleeping with men in relationship starts off the line, he tells me he gets, oh no, I'm scared of this email. He tells me he gets no physical intimacy or affection from his wife or partner. I know this line induces lots of eye rolling, and I'm sure there's plenty of men who do use it to get what they want. But there's also loads of us who are in relationships where sex or any type of physical intimacy are just off the cards completely.
15:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:18 Speaker 00 Now, I'd find that hard. I'm not a complete horn dog like I used to be. I've calmed down a bit.
15:24 Speaker 01 Well, there's, yeah. It's just that, it's like, you know, then, you know.
15:28 Speaker 00 Everyone has different levels.
15:29 Speaker 01 That, do you know what? That's exactly what it is. So some people like their, to make their writings loads, other people they want more, other people want less. It is what it is. Anyway, carry on.
15:38 Speaker 00 Okay. Myself and my wife had a great sex life before we got married. I couldn't have been happier with it and I thought that she really enjoyed her sex life too. I thought our appetite was just as intense as mine and I was looking forward to having a great sex life for years to come. However, since we got married and since we started having kids, it's been practically non-existent. And then it gets awkward, it gets awkward. I was going out with a guy for a long time and then we just stopped having sex and then it gets to the point where it's like, I'm too, and now I'm too embarrassed. I'm too embarrassed now.
16:08 Speaker 01 It's like, it's like you owe us, do you know? It's like you've kind of, you're, you're, it's like an IOU. You're like, I haven't ridden him for a month and fuck, you know, it's like, it's a crisis point. Yeah.
16:19 Speaker 00 Okay. We've been to therapy where, among other things, the topic of sex has come up. My wife says she just doesn't have an interest in it anymore and she doesn't know why. I kind of feel sorry for her as well then. Maybe she's gone through her own thing.
16:31 Speaker 01 She could be menopausal.
16:33 Speaker 00 This is also true. Yes.
16:35 Speaker 01 Yeah. Your libido does drop. I'm doing a bit of reading on it at the moment. Yeah. Well, I'm like the fucking canary down the mine because I'm going to go through it first and I'll report back. You don't have to, you don't have to worry about it. And then whenever I have, I'll tell you and then you'll go to someone and get it like done. So you don't get that.
16:55 Speaker 00 Well, that's just the way it works. Okay. Tough luck.
16:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, I know. Yeah. You don't appreciate the wisdom that I impart backwards to you and neither do you, Jo, actually, frankly, neither have you brought it up.
17:05 Speaker 00 Okay, wait, okay, where are we? My wife says she just doesn't have an interest in it anymore. Doesn't know why. I'm not expecting our sex lives to be the same as when we were in our twenties, but I still thought we'd have something. I'd be lying if I said I hadn't thought about having an affair. Ah, he's only thought about it. Okay. And that's, I think that's. And if anyone ever showed any, yeah, you can't.
17:28 Speaker 01 As long as we can't see the thoughts, like that's the point of thoughts.
17:30 Speaker 00 Once Elon Musk doesn't bring this fucking thing out where you can read people's minds, we're fine. So we're okay for now.
17:37 Speaker 01 Like, we'd all be off to Dignitas. Like, we couldn't cope.
17:40 Speaker 00 No one, anyone knew my thoughts. You know, you're looking in the distance. Benny was like, what are you thinking about? I was like, a food shop, anything, but tell them what I was.
17:53 Speaker 00 Okay.
17:56 Speaker 00 But to be honest, I just want to have sex with my wife, not anyone else.
18:00 Speaker 01 Oh, God.
18:02 Speaker 00 I know. I'm not sure why I'm telling you all this. I'm not trying to condone people having affairs. It's never okay as far as I'm concerned. I guess I'm saying that there are lots of men out there who love their wives and partners and families, but who are miserable with the lack of physical intimacy in their lives. From conversation with friends, this type of scenario seems extremely common. So while I'm sure plenty of men use the no love and affection line to get what they want, it's a fact of life for a lot of us. Love the pod. That's a really, that's very, very, very difficult, I think.
18:31 Speaker 01 No, but you know what I will say in fairness, that I agree with this man 100%, right? Like, I really do. But I think we've always kind of flagged that as in, you know, that we get that sexual relationships change and appetites change. And that's what makes it so fucking hard. That's why polyamory is like really happening at the moment.
18:52 Speaker 00 But it's not, but it's actually not always affairs are bad, affairs are bad. It's not, that's not, everyone's like, case is very different. It's a case by case basis.
19:00 Speaker 01 We're on a, are we? Are we going case by case?
19:02 Speaker 00 We are going case by case here, Joanna.
19:04 Speaker 01 Good to know. New year, new us. We're case by case now. Yeah. We're case by case. Okay, let's hear it out. Judge Ridy, Judge Ridy will take all rides.
19:14 Speaker 00 Send in your eyes to us and we'll tell you.
19:17 Speaker 01 Send me the deets.
19:17 Speaker 00 If it's okay to continue your affair or not, we'll let you know.
19:20 Speaker 01 But you know, it's just so funny as well. It's always like your own life experience and context and everything. Like if you've been on the receiving end of someone fucking you over like that, you'll have no patience for any of it. If you have been the one who's struggled in a relationship and kind of acted out, you obviously have more empathy for it. But yeah, I mean, I get it. Like life is long and sex, like, like Esther Perel says, sex is in the unknown. Desire is in the unknown. Lust is in the unknown. The more you get to know someone, the less sexy it gets.
19:50 Speaker 00 Do you know what though? It could be, it could be around menopause. I'd like, I just, I think you definitely. I think there's some, it sounds like there's a lot of love in that marriage. There is a lot of love, but I don't think it's fair that he isn't getting what he wants physically. Like intimacy is very, very important. So I think, I think you have to keep going to therapy and maybe see if.
20:10 Speaker 01 Even a back scratch. Yeah. I mean, obviously we're not, we're not professionals, but I mean, I mean, I really, once the sex goes, you're like. Although, do you know what I will say? Do you know what I will say?
20:22 Speaker 00 What, what?
20:23 Speaker 01 And we've said this before, and this is terrible advice, but like all of our advice is terrible.
20:28 Speaker 00 It's probably Joanne's advice then.
20:33 Speaker 00 Are you going to suggest a wank sleep? Get a wank sleep.
20:39 Speaker 01 We're like Joan and Jerika. Do you ever listen to Joan and Jerika, the podcast where they intentionally give really bad advice to women? Where they're constantly saying like, maybe your woman's not attracted to you because you've stopped making an effort. That's what we're starting to sound like.
20:51 Speaker 00 I just think, I think sometimes in a marriage that, yeah, like that you do things for other people that like you're trying to keep like. No, I don't want it to sound bad because sometimes like if you're not really feeling.
21:03 Speaker 01 Push through.
21:04 Speaker 00 The other person really wants to, I, in like a minute, I'm like, actually no, I'm having a great time now. It could literally be that because I'm just being a lazy bitch and I don't want to take out my earplugs and have to put them back in and et cetera, et cetera.
21:14 Speaker 01 Exactly. Look, listen, the truth is we don't fucking know what we're talking about, but we appreciate you writing in. And also we just want to say, we get it. This is why I haven't gotten married, okay? That's my other advice. Go back in time, undo it.
21:28 Speaker 00 No, we're joking. That's bad. No, because he loves her. They're going to get through it. You're going to figure it out. Maybe she's just going through a little phase and everything will be fine soon.
21:36 Speaker 01 I don't think, do you know what, though? It's the reality. It's the reality of long-term relationships. Unless you're blessed with a burning groin 24 hours a day, seven days a week. And like, fair play to you. I'm, I'm nothing but respectful. I would love that.
21:50 Speaker 00 No, you wouldn't.
21:51 Speaker 01 Not burning in a syphilis. I mean, I mean, that, like, just if you've, like, testosterone spilling out your eyeballs, and for women as well, I mean, like, just any, like, if you are that person who can't keep your hands off your partner day in, day out, fucking mazel tov, hats off, fair play. I don't know anyone in that situation. It's all swings and roundabouts. And it's, but it is sad because you feel rejected. Like, I've been on the receiving end of it, and I've also been the one that doesn't want to do it anymore. And it's horrible in both positions, to be honest.
22:18 Speaker 00 Hmm, the rejection is really bad, though.
22:21 Speaker 01 Really bad.
22:22 Speaker 00 I know, and it gets, but it does get to a point where then it's embarrassing. I know somebody, I know somebody who masturbates eight times a day.
22:30 Speaker 01 Vogue, that is my own story to tell. That is not, that's not your business.
22:41 Speaker 01 That's it for the wellness. I've been Joanne, she's been Vogue, and he has been Joe. Goodbye. Thanks for listening. Bye-bye. Like and subscribe.
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