Pod Insights My Therapist Ghosted Me MTGM EXTRA! "My Dad has been cheating on my Mum for years..." About this episode Joanne has a new obsession... The recording started and there was a noise in the background, but did Vogue guess correctly what it was? What could it be?! Plus, Vogue's big news and a shocking email...
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Transcript 0:01 Speaker 00 This is a Global Player original podcast.
0:10 Speaker 01 Hello and welcome to the bonus episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me with me Vogue Williams and
0:16 Speaker 02 Joanne McNally.
0:20 Speaker 02 Well Vogue, before we went live there, you were asking what the buzzing was.
0:28 Speaker 01 Can I give you my two opinions of where I got to when you said, I'll tell you later? First of all, first of all, I said to myself, is she after getting herself a printer? And then I was like, Vogue, that's stupid. What the hell is Joanne going to use a printer for? And then I thought, that girl doesn't like cleaning. Is it a Hoover that goes around your electric Hoover? A robot Hoover?
0:55 Speaker 02 Vogue, I am so, I'm so proud of the two of us that neither of us suggested a vibrator.
1:02 Speaker 02 What are we academics now?
1:04 Speaker 01 You lose all of them, Joanne. You've been away in New York. They're in New York now.
1:09 Speaker 02 Oh my, my cleaner actually placed one on top of the Pilates bed while I was away, which is very embarrassing. I don't know, I don't know where it fell out of.
1:17 Speaker 01 Joanne just taking herself to whichever room she fancies.
1:21 Speaker 02 Just while I'm on the move.
1:22 Speaker 01 A change of scenery. Who do I want to play this evening?
1:27 Speaker 02 I must get used to Pilates bed, but I don't do any exercise on it. What else can I do on it?
1:33 Speaker 02 No, but you know what the buzzing was, Vogue?
1:35 Speaker 01 What?
1:36 Speaker 02 You're not far off. Your first answer was, was the closest. Garode Farley, one of my nearest and dearest, who I'm on the road with at the moment for the peanut fault tour, bought me a present of a Polaroid printer. It's this little Polaroid machine. Look, I'll show it to you.
1:54 Speaker 01 The Kodak one? Or is it actually Polaroid?
1:57 Speaker 02 So it's this Polaroid thing that he, you set it onto your phone. Now you know that I'm technologically not. I'm a, I'm not text savvy. You attach it on to your phone or whatever, or set it on to your phone with the Bluetooth.
2:12 Speaker 01 Bluetooth.
2:13 Speaker 02 And then, yeah, yeah. And then you just send it photographs that you wanna print. And I've been printing, I can't get over the joy of what I've been doing all morning. It's unbelievable.
2:27 Speaker 01 I got one of them for my kids last year, not slagging you or anything, it's only because I wanted them to do a little scrapbook on holidays. And I was just saying, I was like, these are world-class photographs.
2:39 Speaker 02 Because Garode had a scrapbook and I could hear something buzzing in the dressing room and I was like, what's he up to? So of course I burst in and I was like, I hope to catch him doing something weird, yeah. And there he was, printing off little stickers of me and him doing our, our sound checks and stuff and, and putting them in. Because Garode, he's so cute. He's like a, he's, he does arts and crafts and stuff, you know, and um.
3:02 Speaker 01 He's a gay man, he's a gay man, come on.
3:05 Speaker 02 Ah, no, he's, he's a particular type of gay man. I know a lot of gay men who aren't dealing in arts and crafts.
3:10 Speaker 01 Does he make jam? Does he make jam? He's a jam maker, isn't he?
3:13 Speaker 02 He does crocheting and he does mosaicking and all that stuff, yeah. He's quite wholesome.
3:18 Speaker 01 What?
3:18 Speaker 02 He says that's why he's on the road with me, because he knows I used a defibrillator and that he can resuscitate me if I, he gets, he's a train paramedic. If I lose my mind.
3:26 Speaker 01 Oh my.
3:28 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'd wanna see what this lad, he's like, he's like a really nerdy MacGyver. He has um, a tablet box that he, I'd say now, his Amazon carbon footprint is fairly intense. He has an Amazon tablet box and he has them all, he has a label maker, he labels them, he has like ibuprofen, Imodium, beta blocker. Like he has it all labelled and stuff. So anyway, there he was, printing off photos and he has a scrapbook and he puts them, he sticks them into the scrapbook. And the one thing I'm very bad at is gathering memories. And the one thing I'm very good at is losing things and I lose memories also. And, and, and so I'm, I'm, I'm determined to document penophile.
4:11 Speaker 02 I have no, I have no proof I ever did anything before at this moment in time.
4:17 Speaker 02 Except what's on my phone. I've all sorts of stuff printed out here. Here's, do you remember, do you remember I did the Psychopedia podcast in, when we were in America? There's me on the bike with the-
4:26 Speaker 01 Oh yeah. I would absolutely love to watch what she's choosing to print off.
4:33 Speaker 02 I say, I'm saying, I'd say I'm six grand down in cartridges already.
4:37 Speaker 01 Do you know what one day I hope to achieve? I, when I eventually lose my mind because I take on too much and my mind is starting to fade away. So when I eventually lose the plot completely, I'm gonna go through all of the photos on my phone and all the videos and delete the ones I don't want and then put the other ones into, what is that thing called? A large USB, but they're called a-
5:00 Speaker 03 Hard drive.
5:01 Speaker 01 A hard drive, that's the one. I'm gonna get a hard drive.
5:05 Speaker 03 You wanna put them in the cloud, you don't wanna hard drive? What if, what if the house burns down, you've lost it.
5:09 Speaker 01 They're in the cloud, they're in the cloud already, they're in the cloud. And I buy extra cloud space, but I think, oh, so I don't need to do the hard drive shit.
5:16 Speaker 03 No mate, it's in the cloud.
5:17 Speaker 01 Oh god, I don't know what I'm gonna do then. I'll hold off on the nervous breakdown.
5:21 Speaker 02 I can't relate to the cloud, any cloud anymore. I, I print things off now like a hipster.
5:27 Speaker 02 Look at them, they're Polaroid photos, yeah.
5:30 Speaker 01 That's only because you don't know how to get stuff on the cloud, Joan.
5:34 Speaker 02 There's Garret wearing my little eye patches that he wears sometimes when he's in. I'm off, he's like, look at this photo, look at this, that used to be, and I know, again, we're really annoying because I know this is a podcast and it's not visual. Look, do you remember my old hair? Look at that.
5:48 Speaker 01 Will I ever forget Mufasa? Mufasa is what I see there.
5:51 Speaker 03 That's, that's nicely descriptive.
5:53 Speaker 01 Okay, and I'm not trying to be negative at all. We do have to move on. I'm gonna give it three and a half weeks. Three and a half weeks, Jo.
5:59 Speaker 02 We have to move on. I have a lot, I have a lot, I've only, I've, I've, I have a lot more printing to do. I'll just, I'll just charge-
6:05 Speaker 01 Jo, how long, how long are you giving the Polaroid thing? I'm giving it three and a half weeks before it gets lost somewhere. And that's, and that's only because she likes it so much. Maybe three and a half weeks is too much. I'd say mid-May, it's the 25th of April, I'm recording this. I'm going mid-May, you'll lose it before my mom's birthday.
6:21 Speaker 02 Well, I don't know if they're that expensive. I feel like this is something that could be easily replaced.
6:26 Speaker 01 I got a Kodak one, 80 quid, and it's the same thing. It might even be cheaper on the old printing paper, by the way, because I went for the best deal on Amazon.
6:37 Speaker 01 On, I'm a whore. I'm a whore.
6:40 Speaker 02 The devil's lettuce.
6:46 Speaker 02 The devil's lettuce is weird, isn't it? Isn't it hash or something?
6:49 Speaker 01 I think raisins are the devil's droppings because they're so disgusting.
6:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, you're like my friend James Cavaney. He's, he's, he can't bear raisins either. Any news from either of you?
7:00 Speaker 01 I have pretty big news, actually.
7:04 Speaker 02 Oh, oh.
7:05 Speaker 01 So I, no, I'm not pregnant.
7:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, Joanne's like, fuck.
7:10 Speaker 02 Oh, no, I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't be dealing with that. Although I don't mind now, I've got a hobby now, I've got a hobby now.
7:17 Speaker 01 Commentating pictures of my bum.
7:20 Speaker 02 I could document the hell pregnancy, print them off, my tiny pearl.
7:24 Speaker 01 Joanne, we need to do the two month bum picture.
7:27 Speaker 02 They're each the size, they're like the size of a shredded wheat, I would say.
7:30 Speaker 01 Joanne, that is a desperate picture of yourself. Why would you?
7:34 Speaker 02 I know.
7:34 Speaker 01 Why would you print that off?
7:36 Speaker 02 It's so bad, but you know why, do you know why? Because I said, Joanne, this isn't a vanity project, this is memories. I mean, don't get me wrong, there's one of me here in a bikini in Cape Town as well, but I'm not a complete.
7:46 Speaker 01 Balance, balance.
7:47 Speaker 02 Yeah, balance, yeah, balance.
7:49 Speaker 01 Balance.
7:51 Speaker 01 Okay, so I did, you know, Bear by Vogue is in Boots UK now. And so we're trying to be like, we're trying to infiltrate the UK a bit more with the tan. And I went outside to go to my shoot today because we were doing a shoot and I'm on a taxi. I'm on a black cab, it's got, the whole thing is wrapped in Bear by Vogue.
8:09 Speaker 02 Oh, that's fun. Oh, good for you.
8:12 Speaker 01 I'm absolutely.
8:14 Speaker 02 You're like Sarah Jessica Parker in Sex and the City when she was on a bus and someone drew a dick in her head. Do you remember?
8:19 Speaker 01 Oh, if someone drew a dick in my mouth, I wouldn't be happy. Don't do it, it's really expensive.
8:24 Speaker 02 Don't encourage that. Head folk, head, Freudian slip there, head. Do you remember they all went to the bus stop to see her bus drive past and then it splashed on her? And Big made it, no, Big didn't turn up actually. He didn't make any time and her and the girls were drinking champagne and it drove, it drove past and she had a dick in her head.
8:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:40 Speaker 02 So, so if anyone, anyone who listens to the pod sees Vogue's taxi, please get a Sharpie.
8:46 Speaker 01 No dicks, please, no dicks, thank you.
8:48 Speaker 02 I'll go on.
8:50 Speaker 01 No, I'll tell you the la, I'll tell you the last day of it, right? I'll tell you the last day when the taxi is going to be around and then.
8:56 Speaker 02 Any dick you want, okay? Anywhere you want. Dicks everywhere, please. But until then, leave it alone. Leave it alone and admire.
9:04 Speaker 01 I don't, I don't, oh, you're saying it's in when the, when the-
9:07 Speaker 02 Well, we've won, and the last era of it being wrapped, dicks everywhere. I'm happy with that. Don't, don't, don't mind. I mean, the taxi driver mightn't be too happy, but we'll deal with that. But yeah, so that was my big news. I was kind of surprised to see that-
9:20 Speaker 01 That's great. That's great news.
9:22 Speaker 02 Otto came out and saw it and was like, is that Mama? Mama? Bye, Mama. Oh, my God, you must show me where it is. So I'll go down and get a photo and then print it off on my little Polaroid machine and add it to the collection.
9:35 Speaker 01 She loves it so much. I love where you go.
9:38 Speaker 02 I'm a wildlife photographer. That's how I feel.
9:41 Speaker 01 Get the pigeons on the balcony. You're into, what's it, what's it called? Noriture? What's, what's it called? Bird watching?
9:47 Speaker 03 Twitching.
9:48 Speaker 01 No, nor, nor, noriture or something like that. What's the word?
9:52 Speaker 02 Are you trying to say, are you, please?
9:53 Speaker 01 I'm not trying to say nature. No, I'm not trying to say nature. Jesus Christ.
9:59 Speaker 02 I love to be a nature, is it?
10:03 Speaker 02 I'm just one of those gals. I love a bit of nature.
10:07 Speaker 01 Nature. What's the notch?
10:09 Speaker 02 Bird watching. It's just bird, it's just bird purving.
10:12 Speaker 01 No, it's not.
10:13 Speaker 02 Pigeon fancy, people who are big into pigeons are called pigeon fanciers.
10:17 Speaker 03 Study of birds is called ornithology.
10:20 Speaker 01 Ornithology, that was the one I was looking for. Ornithology.
10:24 Speaker 02 You were almost there, really.
10:29 Speaker 01 I was, I was close to a nature.
10:33 Speaker 02 You're almost there if you had 12 speech impediments.
10:37 Speaker 02 All stacked on top of each other. You were kind of there.
10:39 Speaker 01 Ornithology, or nature. I said or nature. I wasn't that far off.
10:49 Speaker 02 My news is, I've been in Berries St Edmunds, I've been in Colchester, I've been in Ipswich. Where else have I been, Jo?
10:57 Speaker 01 Gloucester, Gloucester, Gloucester or something like that.
10:59 Speaker 03 Been to Yeovil yet?
11:01 Speaker 02 No!
11:02 Speaker 01 All the comedians seem to pop down to Yeovil.
11:06 Speaker 02 Oh yeah, there's a really nice room in Yeovil. Yeovil's actually, me and Yeovil have an understanding. It's quite a toxic relationship, but I am going back. I've been having a ball on the road, having a ball, ironing out the show, adding bits here, taking bits out there. I love it.
11:21 Speaker 01 And what are you, are you going, are you gigging tonight?
11:24 Speaker 02 No, I'm off tonight and then I'm in Norwich tomorrow.
11:27 Speaker 01 Oh, fair enough.
11:27 Speaker 02 And then Nottingham. Yeah!
11:29 Speaker 01 I'm going to Nottingham. When are you in, I'm in Nottingham on Thursday. When are you in Nottingham?
11:33 Speaker 02 What? You're in Nottingham?
11:35 Speaker 01 I'm in Nottingham. Imagine you were there on Thursday. If you're there on Thursday, I'm going to your gig and you give me lift home.
11:43 Speaker 02 Also, by the way, I'm still going to Inter Railing to Europe. There's still, there's still tickets for like Copenhagen and Oslo and Berlin and loads of places like that if anyone's interested in joining me.
11:53 Speaker 01 Can I just tell you, while you're in Copenhagen, that is where I'd be picking up the sperm.
11:59 Speaker 02 Oh, I know. No, no, she'd be on the show.
12:01 Speaker 01 Mad not to get the sperm while you're there.
12:04 Speaker 02 Yeah, I don't want to pay the import duty, so I'm going to just take it from the source.
12:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, go take a hit.
12:09 Speaker 02 With consent, of course, yeah. With consent, yeah. I'll be there, I'll be rolling around that sperm bank.
12:17 Speaker 01 Sorry. Why bother with a sperm bank? Go ride rings around yourself.
12:20 Speaker 02 Yeah.
12:21 Speaker 01 Make it work well.
12:22 Speaker 02 But I'll need to be careful. I'm like, if you wouldn't mind just ejaculate into that lunchbox, just if you're...
12:29 Speaker 01 And you'll be going over with a turkey baster. What are you doing? Nothing.
12:33 Speaker 02 And place it into the freezer bag. Thank you so much.
12:36 Speaker 01 Appreciate that.
12:38 Speaker 02 I know, that's German. I'm going to the source of the hot sperm. Now, that's not why I'm going. I'm obviously going to...
12:43 Speaker 01 Do you know what? This is how badly I like a bargain. Like, I'm like, do you know, it's really cheaper over there. Grab me some while you're there. I don't even want it, but like, if it's, if it's cheap, I'll take it. So I'd even be like, what's this in the fridge? I'm like, nothing, nothing.
12:58 Speaker 02 Nothing at all.
12:59 Speaker 01 You've loads of stuff here, by the way. You've got about four packages.
13:02 Speaker 02 I'm, I was actually going to come down later, but I'm...
13:04 Speaker 01 And a huge thing.
13:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'm gonna cut. I think that's one of the Luke Reedy, uh, Luke Reedy. I think that's a Luke Reedy, which is a bit of art that I have to come down and collect.
13:14 Speaker 01 Oh yeah, that's not actually here, sorry. No, that's gone. I don't know where that went, so.
13:18 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is it hanging on your wall?
13:20 Speaker 01 No, I've lost it actually, I've lost. Listen, if things, uh, things get lost within the postal system, I can't be
13:26 Speaker 02 Oh!
13:27 Speaker 01 held accountable for that. I once lost, I sent my auntie a Hailey Menzies cardigan. I was being really nice, because she gives me nice gifts. I was like, I'll get her a Hailey Menzies cardigan. And I posted it to her, and she didn't get it. And I was like, that rude bitch hasn't thanked me. And then I text her and I was like, did you ever get that cardigan? And she was like, no. And she's like, I would have thanked you for it. Five months later, it arrived back at my door. I was like, what? Magic happened, yeah.
13:55 Speaker 02 Thank god you got it back.
13:57 Speaker 01 I know, but like, five months later, I was like, right, well, that's gone. And, uh, yeah, so there you go. There is a lot of honest people in this world.
14:05 Speaker 02 There is indeed.
14:15 Speaker 02 Joe's drinking a beer with the, with the, with the greediness of a new father.
14:20 Speaker 03 It's 5pm on a Friday, what am I gonna do?
14:23 Speaker 01 It's 17:22.
14:25 Speaker 02 It's 9pm on a Friday night, get the fuck up, we're going to high. Do you know that song, shall I love that song?
14:30 Speaker 03 No, I don't know that song.
14:31 Speaker 02 Of course you don't, you're a new father, you don't know anything anymore, it doesn't matter. Okay, well, Jesus, you're really sucking that thing down, Joe.
14:37 Speaker 03 Go on, okay.
14:41 Speaker 02 Get another one, go on, go on, I love this. I love when Joe loses.
14:46 Speaker 01 Joe will be locked later. Um, okay. Hi there. I would like to stay anonymous and would appreciate your advice on this. My parents have been married for over 30 years. I recently found out that my dad has accounts on gay and swinger websites.
15:01 Speaker 02 Oh yeah, okay.
15:03 Speaker 01 I told you, yeah.
15:05 Speaker 02 Here we go, here we go. Strap in.
15:08 Speaker 01 God, I just.
15:09 Speaker 02 Strap in. No wonder Joe's drinking.
15:12 Speaker 01 I know.
15:13 Speaker 02 Obviously, he knew, he knew what was coming.
15:14 Speaker 03 Oh, I know what's coming.
15:15 Speaker 01 Do you know what? There's very few times in life that I say to myself, thank god my dad's dead, but this would be one of them.
15:22 Speaker 02 Yeah. Well, we, he says he's dead.
15:28 Speaker 02 We don't know what men get up to. He's probably off living a double life in Burgheim.
15:33 Speaker 01 Do you know what? That would not surprise me. That's what men are like.
15:36 Speaker 02 Would not surprise me at all.
15:38 Speaker 01 Okay. And it's been actively cheating on my mom for years. In his bio, he mentions he's married and that his wife doesn't know. One, one particular meetup was not even a month after my grandmother, mom's side, had died suddenly. I have all the receipts, but no idea what to do.
15:57 Speaker 02 Nothing.
15:59 Speaker 01 I don't want to break my mother's heart, but I do agree she would be better off without him. He's a controlling and passive aggressive man.
16:07 Speaker 02 Oh, well, that's different now.
16:09 Speaker 01 That's, you see, I was on the same page as you for a second, but yeah, okay. He hates to see anyone happy, so always brings people down. I hate to think of the pain this was caused for my mom because throughout the years, he has broken her confidence down and isolated her. She literally does everything for him. I have other siblings I know I should say it to, but I'm afraid. He's a very angry man, and if he knew I was the one who snooped and told, I don't know how he would react. I'm currently living with my parents, so I feel like, oh God, you're living with them.
16:43 Speaker 01 Please help, anon. I mean, that's a really serious situation. I would always say, like you just did there, Joran, when, when, if you find out someone's cheating, like you're better off kind of just trying to stay out of it because you don't know if they know. You don't know how they're dealing with it, like.
17:02 Speaker 02 The reason I would say he's very unhappy is because he's living, he's not living his, he's not living an authentic, honest life. Maybe, maybe that's not why he's angry. Maybe he's an angry guy anyway, but he's like, can you imagine the stress of living a double, triple, quadruple, octagon life?
17:21 Speaker 01 I know, I, I, my problem is, right? That's fine if you, if you, if you're like, let's say he's secretly gay or something like that, that's fine. But the fact that he's actually, I know, but the fact that he's actually making her life miserable and be controlling over her, that makes me just think, do you know what? Like that, just because you're living a double life doesn't mean you have to fuck up and ruin someone else's life. That's not fair.
17:43 Speaker 02 If they were tickety boo, ticking along. Without the mother knowing this information, I, yeah, I'd be like, I'd just stay out of it. Because he's obviously has needs that aren't being met by his wife if he's visiting gay sex sites, wherever he's going. Where did they say he's going? I don't know.
18:00 Speaker 01 Swingers, swingers and gay.
18:05 Speaker 02 The man, the man clearly has sexual needs that aren't being met within his marriage. And he's having them met elsewhere. The wife doesn't know.
18:11 Speaker 01 It's not her fault. She doesn't have a dick, though.
18:15 Speaker 02 Well, maybe, the thing about it is, is that maybe he's underestimating her. Or maybe there was a conversation had between them and the wife, her mother was like, no, look, I'm not into swinging. So go do it yourself. Or maybe her mother has no idea. We won't know. The big problem is if he's being a dick on top of that behaviour, then, then it's like you're, not only are you mugging off your wife, you're making her life miserable, you're controlling your kids, you're being ratty in the house. I hate when someone thinks it's okay to take their mood out on a house full of people and you're all on eggshells. It drives me mad. It is the most selfish thing to do.
18:50 Speaker 01 Yes.
18:51 Speaker 02 You can't just take your moods out on other people all the time. It's so mean and cruel. So in that case, I would say, yeah, I mean, obviously don't listen to us, but yeah.
19:01 Speaker 03 It does feel like one of those episodes where on a legal basis, we ought to say that none of this advice is expert.
19:06 Speaker 01 No, none of this, no. If I was you, if I was you, what I would.
19:12 Speaker 02 That's like me saying, just to clarify, I'm not actually a surgeon. I think that goes without saying.
19:16 Speaker 01 I would like, I think that what you should do, I think if you have access to a therapist to try and talk through something like this, because this is like, this is like life altering, ignore us. This is a life altering situation that once you pop the can on this, like there is no going back. Like once you, now I would personally go and tell my siblings as well and I'd have a conversation with them about it. And I, and if someone was being, which I'm sure you're the same and you're in an awkward position because you're stuck between the two of them. And God knows what your mom would do anyway if you told her. But like, if someone was being horrible to my mom, like I'd just, I'd lose my mind. Like I, I wouldn't be able to bear that.
19:57 Speaker 02 Do you know what I think I would do? I'm just thinking about it here. I'm processing the information. I think I genuinely, I think I would plant the seed in my mother's mind without actually saying anything. If you're close to your mother, which it sounds like they are close to their mother. And if there's an opportunity to like have a glass of wine or have dinner, whatever, coffee, whatever, however you choose to communicate, I'd be like, do you ever think dad would have an affair? And just like, I just got this weird feeling that he might be up to something. Do you ever think? And if she's like dogged, no, absolutely not. I would just, I would sense it. I would sense it out. I would, I would feel it out. I would. And like, it's, it's very hard going from a woman not knowing anything about what her husband's doing to,
20:41 Speaker 02 he might be having an affair to, oh, he's actually strung out on swinger websites. Like, that's a big, that's a big leap.
20:46 Speaker 01 It's a big jump.
20:48 Speaker 02 This information probably needs to be spoon fed a little bit, rather than it all coming in. Cause that's, that's, what's that, what's that website that was hacked and exposed?
20:58 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah. Oh, Ashley Madison.
21:01 Speaker 02 This is like the Ashley Madison documentary where these very, quite, I would say innocent, well, any Christian women, I assume are kind of innocent, but they're probably the worst. Christian women, and they were basically women that they thought they were living their Christian monogamous life. And the next thing, there was information that their husband was like wearing a strap on and getting pegged by a fucking horse. Do you know what I mean? So like, this information does need to be spoon fed a little. It's a lot for her to take in one mouthful.
21:30 Speaker 01 I know. Yeah. I think, yeah, because it's going to change their entire family dynamic. Like, it's just, it's like when you hear of people that have been living double lives like that, but like where they have double families and stuff like that. And then the whole thing just blows up and it's, it's just, you have to be very careful. God, it's a real awkward one.
21:48 Speaker 02 If he's big, the thing about it is, is the double family thing is, is, it's so sinister because you're, it's a, it's a totally different thing. It's a totally different betrayal. Sex to me, sometimes I change my mind all the time, but sex to me feels like it can be quite functional. Like, you know, it's just like a need that needs to be met. But if her dad's a dick, that, that's a totally different situation. I'd fuck it. I'd rat him out.
22:10 Speaker 01 Yeah. To be honest, if, if he was being a dick and he's been real sly and horrible, yeah, I probably would rat him out. But you need to be protective of your mom because that's going to be really difficult for your mom. That's why maybe talk to a therapist and find out a really good way to do it.
22:23 Speaker 02 Yeah, get some sort of professional mediator in. Because also, your mother might have this information. If your father's really controlling, your mother might not have the energy to leave.
22:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:32 Speaker 02 Do you know those people, you're like, I actually just don't know how to get out of this. It's, he's just gonna make it so hard for me. Or, she's like, I don't care, let him do what he wants. You don't know how it would go. You don't know how it would go.
22:42 Speaker 01 I'd get all your screen grabs, I'd save all your information. And get yourself a hard drive and put it all on the hard drive or the cloud, wherever Joe says to put it. And save all that, so at least you have everything documented. Because he's gonna go and now delete everything and all that kind of stuff. And then at least you'll have all the evidence that you need. And then you can go and talk to your mum.
22:59 Speaker 02 Or he might just be like, yeah, this is what it is. This is what I do. What are you gonna do about it?
23:04 Speaker 01 Jesus Christ, I'm gonna go have a drink now, for sure.
23:06 Speaker 02 I can tell you, this, this marriage, Malar.
23:10 Speaker 03 It's a lot.
23:11 Speaker 02 Sounds very full on.
23:15 Speaker 01 That's, that's after 30 years.
23:18 Speaker 02 Feedback to us, let us know how you get on.
23:19 Speaker 01 Yeah, we would actually like you to feedback and good luck with it.
23:22 Speaker 02 You kind of gave every, every option of advice there, didn't we? Between get a mediator, do it yourself, plan to see, tell her everything.
23:28 Speaker 01 Forget about it.
23:29 Speaker 02 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd just cut them all off, start a new life. Move to Albania, it's really having a moment.
23:39 Speaker 01 I'm always sure that we do good advice. Because when I ring you and you give me advice, I'm like, that's good advice. And then I give you good advice, but maybe it's just all shite advice. We don't know.
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24:06 Speaker 03 Not true though, is it? Legally speaking, not true. Just, just a fun joke.
24:14 Speaker 02 No wonder he drinks, no wonder he drinks.
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