Pod Insights My Therapist Ghosted Me MTGM EXTRA! "He was speaking to another girl... Which he denied." About this episode It's getting to the business end of things with Vogue on the Christmas special of Strictly Come Dancing... But Gigi doesn't care. Meanwhile, Joanne has finally picked a date for the dinner party she's been talking about for so long. Plus, having a cry and knowing when it's time.
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Transcript 0:01 Speaker 00 This is a Global Player original podcast.
0:10 Speaker 01 Hello and welcome to My Therapist Ghosted Me with me Vogue Williams and-
0:14 Speaker 02 Can you hear that?
0:15 Speaker 01 What?
0:17 Speaker 02 They're slicing up the road outside.
0:19 Speaker 01 Can't hear it.
0:20 Speaker 02 Oh good, okay. Joanne McNally.
0:26 Speaker 01 I always get the, I always get the urge to call you Joanne. I don't know why, it just sounds so fancy, Joanne.
0:32 Speaker 02 Joanne, yeah. I remember when I went to school in France for three weeks or whatever and a lot of the lads there were called Joanne, which was confusing. Yeah, so when I said my name is Joanne, they were a little confused. Anyway.
0:48 Speaker 01 Ooh, I imagine having sex with a Joanne, you'd be like, oh go on, Joanne, go on, great job, Joanne.
0:55 Speaker 02 Very Kanye move. Just riding myself. Sure, I ride myself all the time. Anyway, we don't need to start with that. So Vogue.
1:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:03 Speaker 02 Vogue is beaming in from her, from her dancing show where she is going to be dancing professionally on Christmas Day with another dancer.
1:11 Speaker 01 I got my, I got, yes, I got my Strictly cup and I was, I was feeling a bit flat because I had recorded my dance because I recorded to watch it back to see what I can improve, which is everything.
1:23 Speaker 02 Oh god.
1:24 Speaker 01 You have to do it and I don't know, I'm like, stop putting your head forward like you're trying to dive into a pool, put your head back. Anyway, I was like, I'll show Gigi, she'll love this now, she'll love it. And I whipped out the dance and I started showing her and she goes, no, I want to see Carlos with the other girl. And I was like, you don't know what your mother? Because I showed Carlos dancing with like a professional dancer and straight away she was like, no, I want to see Carlos with the other girl. I was like, no, we're watching mama. And she's like, and she kind of just turned away.
1:52 Speaker 02 Gee gee.
1:53 Speaker 01 I'll show you where I am.
1:55 Speaker 02 I don't know where she learnt these gaslighting skills at such a young age, but my god, she's good. She is good.
2:01 Speaker 01 She's, she is fantastic.
2:04 Speaker 02 Long may it last. Long may it. God bless any man she comes into contact with, I can tell you. Any man at all. They're all gonna be in an asylum.
2:13 Speaker 01 Ah, lads. Oh, I got you.
2:17 Speaker 02 Ah, she's back. Did you nip off there to see a bit of dancing? This is my, this is my fault.
2:22 Speaker 01 I'm doing a rumba.
2:23 Speaker 02 This is my fault because I missed the bonus recording during the week because I went to the cinema.
2:29 Speaker 01 Why didn't you go see it?
2:30 Speaker 02 So I, the new Hugh Grant one. Very good.
2:33 Speaker 01 Oh, I was dying to see that.
2:35 Speaker 02 Yeah, very good. Very good.
2:37 Speaker 01 Very good. Very scary.
2:39 Speaker 02 And I, I know we can't give Wicked any more airtime because we've literally spoken about it sonically for weeks now, but it's everywhere. I am also gonna go and see Wicked. I heard it's fantastic. I've had people saying they were crying coming out of us. Yeah, I'm gonna go. I, I wanna cry. I'm due a good cry, so I'm gonna go on my own.
3:00 Speaker 01 I nearly cried yesterday. That's why, when I was texting you last night, I was like, I think I'm gonna cry.
3:06 Speaker 02 About the dancing?
3:07 Speaker 01 Yeah, you have to put a bit of time aside to cry. You've just gotta do it.
3:11 Speaker 02 You do.
3:11 Speaker 01 Like, I haven't had my cry this month and I'm just like, it's overwhelming coming up to Christmas. There's a lot going on.
3:18 Speaker 02 It's good, actually. That's good advice. Plan your cries. Because if you don't plan them.
3:23 Speaker 01 They won't happen.
3:24 Speaker 02 They just, no, they do, but they don't, they go, they just come out, they just kind of burst out then at the wrong times. Now, I nearly had a very accidental cry, um, yesterday in conversation with someone and it would not have been appropriate to cry. I don't know why. I just fancied it and, uh, but I stopped it in time. But that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna plan a cry at Wicked. You're welcome to join Vogue.
3:45 Speaker 01 I actually, to be honest with you, I wouldn't mind. I need a good half hour, I'm feeling. It'd be nice to have company for that cry. But don't touch me, like, I don't want to be touched, okay? Don't ask me if I'm okay, just let me cry.
3:56 Speaker 02 Oh, I was actually gonna say, I'll just kind of very delicately put my hand over your hand while you cry, just so you know you're not alone in the world, no?
4:05 Speaker 01 Oh, I'd feel incredibly uncomfortable with that. I'm not used to human contact too much. That would make me feel like I wasn't allowed to cry anymore and I'd start feeling embarrassed. Maybe, do you know what?
4:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
4:14 Speaker 01 I'll just, I'm gonna cry alone. I'm gonna dress me all my own here, so I might just, once I get off this call, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna go first.
4:21 Speaker 02 It's such a journey to cry, isn't it? I'm the same. If someone kind of, you could be tinkering on a cry, the chin's kind of going, there's a wobble happening. And if they say, are you okay? Or if they hug or touch, you're like, oh, it's Gates now, it's floodgates. Any bit of sympathy, empathy, you're gone.
4:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, I rang Spenny, I was, it was after dancing and I just wasn't doing so well. And I felt really sick, like I've had a really bad cold and I was really sick and I knew I should have been in bed. And I was like, I'm gonna take myself for a coffee. And I was always walking out to Gail's, I was like,
4:51 Speaker 01 and then I was like, do you know what? Do you know what, fix this? A fucking sausage roll from Gail's. I did it, yes, I did.
4:57 Speaker 02 Did it?
4:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, a sausage roll. And now I'm, now I never want to have a sausage roll from Gail's again. I have some news.
5:02 Speaker 02 But I'm glad you killed a pig to cheer yourself up, go on.
5:05 Speaker 01 Look at the way she's sitting, what is she sitting on?
5:10 Speaker 01 You're perched like a cat.
5:11 Speaker 02 I'm levitating. What I've only realised recently is my chairs are too,
5:20 Speaker 01 I'm uncomfortable.
5:21 Speaker 02 What, what happened to me? I used to go to my beach there. Anyway, my chairs are too low for my table.
5:31 Speaker 02 So this is my new, I'm preoccupied now with the fact that my chairs, which I love, you're like an Art Deco kind of pink blush pink chair. They're too low for the table, which I'm very concerned about because I'm, I'm going, I'm going ahead with my dinner party, Jo.
5:46 Speaker 01 Much to our amazement.
5:48 Speaker 02 Which, Jo, I'm sorry, I would invite you, but you're not gonna fit. At the table.
5:53 Speaker 01 I was thinking, do you want me to uninvite Sven?
5:56 Speaker 02 Well, no, I don't want to uninvite Sven because I invited him and I feel it's a bit scabby to uninvite. But I don't know where we're gonna put him, but that's my problem as the hostess. That's not his problem, but he might be in the ba- he might be eating it in the bath, that's what I'm saying.
6:08 Speaker 03 You won't believe, yeah. I've ever had.
6:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
6:11 Speaker 01 You're welcome.
6:12 Speaker 02 You just won't fit, Jo, you just won't fit.
6:15 Speaker 01 You won't believe what happened with Svenny, Joanne was just asking out of politeness and then Svenny was like, okay, I'll come. And we, all of us were shocked, mouths to the floor, couldn't believe he'd agreed.
6:24 Speaker 02 Yeah, it was, it was such an empty offer and that prick took it, I couldn't believe it.
6:29 Speaker 01 Even I threw it away asking him, I was like, do you wanna come? Like, just like, oh god, going to Joanne's on Friday, not gonna be great, do you wanna come? Like, do you wanna come? And he was like, yeah, I'd love to go, I was like, oh.
6:40 Speaker 02 We kinda said, do you wanna come, and then ran down the road, didn't we? And then he, we didn't wanna hear the answer. Jo, you, um, you just won't fit in, is what I should have said, sorry, I didn't mean.
6:53 Speaker 03 Oh, socially.
6:54 Speaker 02 Yeah, sorry.
6:55 Speaker 03 Yeah, I get you.
6:56 Speaker 02 It's more like a class race thing, it doesn't matter, you just won't fit in.
6:58 Speaker 03 Yeah, totally get it.
7:05 Speaker 01 I got offered a job, um, for, to work with these knee-high boots, love knee-high boots, love knee-high boots. But they're specifically knee-high boots for women with larger calves.
7:15 Speaker 02 Finally, some, some diversity out of you. We've been waiting for years for this moment.
7:22 Speaker 01 Now, in fairness, I do struggle buying a boot, I struggle getting a boot.
7:29 Speaker 02 It's about time you ticked a box though, because you ticked no boxes up to this point, so I'm delighted to tick a box.
7:34 Speaker 01 Here comes calves.
7:38 Speaker 01 Calves is on the way.
7:44 Speaker 02 Are you smoking on that dance floor? What's going on?
7:47 Speaker 01 I'm very sick.
7:48 Speaker 02 Are you back vaping?
7:49 Speaker 01 I'm very sick. I'm not back vaping, no. I'm not even, I'm not smoking. And you're not gonna be happy with my new drinks rule.
7:57 Speaker 01 I'm not putting up with the anxiety anymore. I can't do it. I have a rule. I'm trying it for three months and I'm seeing how my life turns out. I'm only having two drinks when I go out. That's it. And I'm, I'm cutting it off after two drinks. And I'm gonna see how my life rolls out, just for a few months, to see if it's worthwhile, to see if I'm getting my fix enough. I don't want to go wild. I just, I feel so normal that I just, I just, I can't. You know what I'm like when I'm hungover? I'm like a wreck.
8:24 Speaker 02 Yeah. I, I mean, I honestly, like, all joking aside, as much as I do enjoy going out for a couple of drinks with you, it's not, the, the, the, the, the build up and the post night anxiety chat, it's almost not worth it even for me.
8:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, I know.
8:42 Speaker 02 Because it goes on so long.
8:45 Speaker 01 I don't wanna be like that. And, and, and listen, I'm still drinking. I'm not like one of those people that you're like, oh, go on, just have a drink. Like, I'm still gonna have a drink. I'm just gonna be a bit more responsible with my drinking, so I'm not annoying everybody around me.
9:00 Speaker 02 Has something happened? Did you go out without me either? Is there something? I don't know. I thought you were just out there dancing.
9:06 Speaker 01 No, because, because I've been dancing, I haven't been drinking. And since I haven't been drinking, I'm like, this is actually a better version of me. I'm not annoying anyone.
9:12 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
9:12 Speaker 01 Or myself, less anxious. No beta blockers have been taken in the making of this dance show.
9:19 Speaker 02 Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, drinking's the worst. Drinking is the devil's sperm. Is that the saying? The devil's spawn.
9:24 Speaker 01 I just wish it wasn't so much fun.
9:28 Speaker 02 But I just glug away on that stuff. Not a bad.
9:30 Speaker 01 You don't, yeah, but you don't have pity parties. You don't, you're fine.
9:35 Speaker 02 If I started a pity party, I don't think it would ever end.
9:40 Speaker 02 I just can't open that door, you know, I just can't open that door. I support that completely, I really, really do.
9:47 Speaker 01 I actually knew you would, whereas I haven't, I haven't had the courage to tell Amber yet because she wouldn't be as nice as you. Amber will literally be like, ah, ah, we're having a drinks party for Christmas, you can't do that. I've ordered a margarita machine.
9:59 Speaker 02 The funny thing about drinking, I know we talk about drink loads in this podcast, but is because I think me and Vogue represent two different types of drinkers. And the other type of drinker is somebody who doesn't drink, do you know what I mean? So like their, their, their drinking habits is that they don't drink, but that is also a habit, blah, blah, blah. But it's like the pressure that people put on each other to drink, I mean, even, even I know it's absolutely stupid. I would genuinely never do it. Actually, no, that's, that's not, that's not fair. I have done it on occasion.
10:27 Speaker 01 Oh, you have never done it to me, really?
10:30 Speaker 02 No, there's always that little bit of disappointment when your friend turns up to dinner, driving a car. There's always that like, oh, okay, I see. You could have told me, this could have been flagged, but you didn't, but that's okay, because you knew I'd kick off. So I, I'm not innocent in the, in it all, but I do think let people do what they want. And also a lot of it's just guilt because you feel bad that you're drinking. So you're like, I want to bring you down with me is kind of, it's like the way my friends of mine are like that with babies. They're like, have a baby. I'm like, that's because you're struggling and you want me to struggle as well. Honestly, some of it is like that. They're like, you should be having a baby. And I'm like, you're just having a shit time at the moment with the baby? And you want me to have a shit time too, because you don't want to be on your own, having a shit time.
11:10 Speaker 01 Spenny and I were only talking about the shit times because Otto, like, has just been waking me up at six o'clock in the morning. He's funny, he was like, but imagine like, imagine when they were like teenagers and they're all so happy to be hanging out with each other. And I was like, yeah, I know, in 10 years' time.
11:23 Speaker 02 You are playing, it is the long game. That's what I think of it is, is the long game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was talking to my close friend and confidant, Catherine Ryan, yesterday.
11:32 Speaker 01 Hmm.
11:33 Speaker 02 Uh, who, who has kind of finally let me into her social circle. I've been trying to, I've been trying to nibble my way in there for a while. I think I, I think I finally cracked her.
11:41 Speaker 01 She doesn't do sociable stuff though. She doesn't really go out, she said.
11:45 Speaker 02 Yeah, she's, she's a, like, she's a, she fucking got fucking, how many kids? She'd give you a run for your money, Vogue. Yeah. And she's trying to tour and have a marriage and all that life jazz. Um, where, uh, what was I gonna say? Oh yeah. She was saying as well, she was like, it is for your kind of future set. It's like for your, for when you're in your 50s and when you're in your 60s. You're kind of planting seeds that are children. Now, so you can enjoy your life and have a big family unit when you're older.
12:12 Speaker 01 And when all your friends die because they're old, then you'll have your kids to be your friends.
12:18 Speaker 02 Vogue, I'm three years older than you.
12:20 Speaker 01 Yeah. So when you pass away way before me, then I'll have my kids, you know?
12:25 Speaker 02 That felt really pointed.
12:26 Speaker 01 And I can, I.
12:30 Speaker 02 I'm telling you, all I, all I live all you. Guarantee it. Murphy's Law. Murphy's Law.
12:35 Speaker 01 She's like a girkin. What is she doing to herself? You know, when you put yourself into the groin. She's vinegar'd. She's vinegar'd herself. She is like going nowhere. They're gonna be like, this bitch is 148. What the fuck is going on?
12:48 Speaker 02 Yeah.
12:49 Speaker 01 And she'll look great.
12:50 Speaker 02 Who sends me a letter when I hit 148? Elon Musk, probably. It'll probably just be me and Elon left.
13:08 Speaker 01 Hey girls, hoping you can give me advice on this one. I had a very close friend who for many years, we had a little moment here and there. Oh.
13:16 Speaker 02 Yes.
13:17 Speaker 01 Hmm. We had a connection as friends that was kind of special, but when we were out, he would take me aside to talk alone or give me the talk and how we should be together. Oh.
13:28 Speaker 02 Oh.
13:29 Speaker 01 Sounds like more than a connection.
13:30 Speaker 02 Um, yeah.
13:32 Speaker 01 When we finally gave it a go after many years, I found out he was speaking to another girl. Which he denied, but then ended up in a relationship with her.
13:44 Speaker 01 Yeah. Of course, this ended our friendship as I got very hurt, very fair. And fast forward six or seven years, he has now reached out to me telling me he is sorry. Six or seven years, telling me sorry and wants our friendship back and would love to speak to me. Imagine someone remembered you again after six or seven years. It's like, dude, let it go.
14:08 Speaker 02 A connection is a connection.
14:11 Speaker 01 I also don't know.
14:11 Speaker 02 Some connections do not die.
14:13 Speaker 01 So I just don't know if I should forgive and forget. My life is very different now and I'm also married in the last few years. Love listening to your pod every week. It gives me life and many laws while I'm living far away in another land. Oh, I would, I would say I'd steer clear of that. That's a, that's a disaster waiting to happen if you let him back in.
14:31 Speaker 02 Well, in news that would surprise nobody, I have the complete opposite. I fucking knew it. I honestly, I swear to God, I'd let him back in just for the plot. To see where it goes.
14:47 Speaker 01 If you don't want drama in your life, don't let him back in.
14:51 Speaker 02 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you don't want drama in your life, but like, come on.
14:56 Speaker 01 If you're Joanne McNally, if you're Joanne, let him back in straight away.
15:01 Speaker 02 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Arrange a meeting. Stat. Yeah. I would, I honestly would, because I think people like that, like, I mean, there's obviously something there. There was something there for a very long time. There continues to be something there. Well, on his side anyway.
15:17 Speaker 01 She's married. She's happily married. Why should she bother her whole letting him back in?
15:22 Speaker 02 But you see, this is the thing, like, not all, not all connections, sometimes I think when men and women, if they're straight, have a connection, they kind of misunderstand it to be a sexual connection. And maybe it's not, maybe it just, chemistry can take form. Chemistry can be just be chemistry. It doesn't have to be, you don't have to ride it out of each other. So maybe they mistook it for something else. Yes, he kind of mugged her off a bit, but maybe it's just a nice friendship. That would be my take on it. I'd like to be dying to know what he has to say.
15:50 Speaker 01 How's her husband gonna feel about that?
15:52 Speaker 02 Her husband? I didn't really think about him. Uh, I mean, she's not having an affair, it's just an old friend.
16:00 Speaker 01 Mmm, it sounds like it could turn into an emotional affair pretty quickly.
16:04 Speaker 02 You see, you're obviously rapping, you're rapping the married people, you see, I'm rapping the...
16:09 Speaker 01 You're rapping the guy who fucked her over and then got back in touch with her seven years later?
16:13 Speaker 02 I believe I am, yes.
16:18 Speaker 01 Own that shit.
16:19 Speaker 02 Yeah, I believe, I believe I am.
16:22 Speaker 03 Sounds good, mate.
16:23 Speaker 02 Yeah, not all men folk, okay, not all men.
16:29 Speaker 02 I just, yeah, I, I, yeah, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what that says about me, but I would just be so curious. And like, he's not really an ex, really, like, he's a friend. I mean, people do this shit all the time.
16:41 Speaker 01 I mean, he really hurt her. I just wouldn't bother. I think that you haven't had him in your life for that long. Your husband won't be happy, it's gonna cause drama and heartache, and for what, really? There's no point.
16:53 Speaker 02 I would ask this woman, I would ask this woman that we take this into a private DMing conversation.
17:00 Speaker 01 Because Joanne wants to know, Joanne wants to know what happens.
17:05 Speaker 02 DM me, please, contact this man, arrange a lunch, I'll go. I saw a really funny article forward slash meme on TikTok and it was a woman sitting at her computer. The caption was like, um, waiting for him to contact you via your mother's email because you've blocked him on everything else. You always have to leave that little channel open.
17:27 Speaker 01 If spending eyes sometimes, I'm like, if you say, if you say one more thing, one more thing, I'm blocking you. I'll block you for the whole day if you say one more.
17:41 Speaker 02 FYI, Pinot File is on pre-sale today, which is Wednesday, December 4th. Is that correct, Jo?
17:49 Speaker 02 Yeah, and it goes on general sale Friday, December 6th. Ireland and the UK. Thank you, good night, good luck.
17:55 Speaker 03 That's me.
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