MTGM EXTRA! "And then he kissed me..."

Over in the states, Joanne witnessed a man going about his morning exercise, before BIG drama occurred. Meanwhile, in St Barts, Vogue admires the Americans (not all of them, mind) and their commitment to having a drink. Tickets for Joanne's tour Pinotphile are now LIVE: www.joannemcnally.com http://www.joannemcnally.com/ If you’d like to get in touch, you can send an email to [email protected] mailto:[email protected] Please review Global's Privacy Policy: https://global.com/legal/privacy-policy/ For merch, tour dates and more visit: www.mytherapistghostedme.com http://www.mytherapistghostedme.com/ This episode contains explicit language and adult themes that may not be suitable for all listeners.

• 0:01Speaker 00

  This is a Global Player original podcast.

• 0:10Speaker 01

  Hello and welcome to the bonus episode of My Therapist Goaded Me with me Vogue Williams and Joan McNally who is in.

• 0:17Speaker 02

  LA.

• 0:18Speaker 01

  LA. I always find, I remember when, I remember, I was saying this to Ashley Reed the other day, and I remember when she was in, she was like, I'm just back from LA. And I was like, ooh. I don't know why, it's just like, like, anyone can come here to know, it's not like, it doesn't mean anything, just, but I just find it, it's kind of like, oh God, you're really taking off, aren't you? You're in LA. It's like, you're free to come into the country if you have the right paperwork, you know?

• 0:43Speaker 02

  Chris Haddad, I saw Chris Haddad on the, on the Graham Norton Show and he was talking about that, like when he'd go home to Ireland because he lived in LA. And he was just like sitting at a cafe or something, he'd be like, oh, can I have an orange juice? Oh, an orange juice? Is that what you'd like? And he'd be like, yeah, just an orange juice. And then they're basically like, oh, he's gone so LA because he's ordered himself an orange juice. Who do you think you are? You can't have notions when you're Irish. You can't do it.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  Not at all. And we don't know where he was where he asked for the orange juice. Do you know what I mean? It might've been somewhere, you know, basic.

• 1:17Speaker 02

  Not orange juicy, yeah.

• 1:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. But like, when I, when I, because I spent a week in New York and I was like, God, I'm, I'm just, if I came here, I was like, I'm, I'm New York. It's who I am. It's in my, it's in my blood. It's in my DNA. And then I came to LA and I was like, oh, hold on a second. Maybe I'm LA.

• 1:34Speaker 02

  Which one do I think?

• 1:35Speaker 01

  Nipping around in my gym gear, taking edibles, drinking juices. I don't know. I guarantee if I was here for any length of time, I would be full coacella. I would be, I would be cowgirl. It's all very cowboy, like you can, there's a, there's a look, there's a style. It would be coin belts, coin belts, kind of dream catcher tattoos. I'd probably go hard. And then I got cancelled for cultural appropriation.

• 1:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. I just feel like LA, you know, there's some places and you're like, it'd be a great place to live. But I feel like that's one of the places that you have to be really rich. Like every, like, like, I just feel like there's certain places in the world that like, if you wanted to live there, like, it's probably, it's not great unless you have loads of money.

• 2:15Speaker 01

  Well, there's a big, there's a big homeless community here. But no, there is, there's definitely money in this town for sure. Like the, I saw, there's, you know, they do the valet where they take the, I mean, why am I explaining valet?

• 2:28Speaker 02

  I've been running LA to a ballet.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  It's ballet. And there was a, I assumed there were a couple, they were driving like a Ferrari. And then they pulled up to a hotel I was walking past. And it was like, there was, you know, it was very impressive. The car was impressive. The lid was down, not the lid, the roof was down. And, and they were incredibly good looking. And I was like, ooh, who's this? Ooh. But they looked so depressed. Honestly, I don't know if they just had a fight. I don't know. They just looked so depressed.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  Well, John, that's why I have a Skoda and I don't have a Ferrari, because I knew that if I got a Ferrari, I'd be very depressed.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Very depressed. Yeah. No, no one's happy sitting in a lidless Ferrari.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm very happy in the Skoda.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's good for your mental health. Keep you humble. But I did wonder, I was like, they're gonna go in there now. And it's LA, so they'll probably have a kale smoothie with a bit of tequila in it. And then they'll go home and they're, and they're, and the car is, it's like whizzing through town. It's, it looks really, really cool. But they looked really sad. So, yeah.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  What's it called? What's that drink called that they all drink? No, they don't all drink. I'm really generalizing here. But like, whenever I go to St Bart's, there's a lot of Americans that go there and they drink a drink. It's, it's vodka and orange juice, basically. But it's called a, is it called a screwball or something?

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't know that.

• 3:46Speaker 02

  Cool. Oh, what's it called?

• 3:48Speaker 01

  A sticker on my to do's.

• 3:49Speaker 02

  A screwdriver. So they like to have that at breakfast. Now, I am generalizing now, but like, sometimes like when we're in the sea in St Bart's.

• 3:59Speaker 02

  Spenny's, Spenny, it always sounds so like.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  Going, we're in the sea. Okay.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  The Americans, right? They all have like their kind of their, their Stanley cup kind of things. And like, they're not full Stanley cups, so they're like this size. But basically they fill them with tequila. And like, they're just kind of tipping away. Yeah. And I, I, I like, there's a lot, I'm not saying every single American does it, but like, a lot of them that I would see are just, and I always wondered, because they're always standing there in the sea with like a cup.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then, and the Irish get this weird, well, it's not weird, I suppose it does kind of, we do drink.

• 4:34Speaker 02

  I think it's because we can't hold our drink. That's the problem. I don't think it's because we drink. I think if I was to stand in the sea with a cup.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  How dare you? How dare you?

• 4:44Speaker 02

  I can't tell my drink.

• 4:45Speaker 01

  Speak for yourself.

• 4:48Speaker 02

  I'm shameful. I'm ashamed of when I have had a drink. I can't hold it at all. It's obvious within two drinks.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  But that.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  I fell asleep at the bar.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  That's a good thing. Did you?

• 4:59Speaker 02

  Yes, it was so embarrassing. That's my, that's my parents-in-law's hotel and I fell asleep at the bar.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Did you? Was it past 6pm?

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Not really. It was around 6.30.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, there you go. That's your bedtime.

• 5:15Speaker 02

  That's my bedtime.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  And you're a woman of routine. You're consistent. In acting like a giant baby.

• 5:22Speaker 02

  And then also making a show of himself in the car park. Remember I told you that?

• 5:26Speaker 01

  Sure, I can remember your TikTok.

• 5:27Speaker 02

  We're in this lovely hotel that my parents-in-law own and like I fall asleep at the bar and then my brother is outside vomiting in the, in the car park and then the security rings Spence's parents and they're like, is Spencer all right? He was vomiting in the car park last night. And Spence is like, hang on a second.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  How dare you?

• 5:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was out.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  It was my Irish in-laws making a show of us. Yeah.

• 5:51Speaker 02

  So that's, we, I do contribute to the, to the Irish problem, I do.

• 5:55Speaker 01

  The stereotype. Um, did you, did you see the photo going around where the, a guy they thought fell asleep at his desk? So all his coworkers got in to get a group photo and turns out he was dead.

• 6:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's not real or is it AI? I never, I never like these things anymore because I don't know.

• 6:11Speaker 01

  I don't, I no longer check because it takes the crack out of everything. I watched a parrot. I watched, I spent several minutes watching a parrot, watching a parrot get a haircut the other day, only to discover it was AI and I was bitterly disappointed. They gave him a bowler, gave him a bowler and they were putting highlights in it all. I was fascinated. I was like locked into this thing. And I was like, hold on a second.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  That's just so, it's so, it really aggravates me because I just want it to be real. And did you see, did you see the best news story of the entire week? And I've, I've double, triple checked it. It's not AI.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  Is it me, is it me putting a bigger room in Vancouver on? Plug, plug, plug.

• 6:46Speaker 02

  No, but I am, sorry. Actually, yes, it was.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  That's the story. That's the story. Thank you. Thanks for the, thanks for the segue. Toronto, Vancouver, we've added, we've got, move them to a bigger room, please.

• 6:58Speaker 02

  Due to popular demand.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  You better come now because you asked me to do this, so I've done it. You can't leave me sitting in the wind in that venue now. Okay?

• 7:09Speaker 02

  Sitting in the wind, tumbleweed.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:11Speaker 02

  Across the stage.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  I've done what I've been told to do. I'm very, I'm very well behaved. You have to come now.

• 7:18Speaker 02

  You gotta go. Bring your friend. Bring your mom.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  Bring everyone.

• 7:21Speaker 02

  So this news story was, there was a man and he was in, he was in the park. He was just living his life. He was trying to be really healthy. He was doing a squat and then all of a sudden, he was surrounded.

• 7:33Speaker 01

  Oh my God, I did.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  All of a sudden, he's surrounded by a shitload of snipers.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:41Speaker 02

  Fully armed, pointing guns at them. He's got the lasers on his head and they're like, get down, get down. And so what, what actually happened was, he was in the park, trying to live his life, trying to better himself, trying to do a little bit of exercise. And then somebody walked by and rang the police and said, there's a man with, with, with a bomb vest on.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  Suicide vest. Suicide vest. Yeah.

• 8:06Speaker 02

  A suicide bomber vest on. Your man is standing there doing a squat. It's a weighted vest. So he's standing there and then he has to try and explain it to the snipers. And then after the whole incident happened, he wasn't even annoyed. He was like, I kind of, I can understand why they thought that.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  Well, I'm sorry now, because it, I looked, I had a good look at that weighted jacket and it is massive.

• 8:29Speaker 02

  Suicide.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  It is, it does look like you're there for sinister purposes. It's absolutely, how, how, how he walks in the thing, I don't like. There must be 60 kilos in it.

• 8:39Speaker 02

  Oh, it was a bit, you'd wanna watch out with those little leg weights you go around in.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  I know. I'm gonna get taken to the ground and tasered.

• 8:48Speaker 02

  With any luck, you will, yeah, you will.

• 8:50Speaker 01

  But I didn't know it was that easy to just get to call a sniper team. Like, what? How quick? How long was he squatting for?

• 8:57Speaker 02

  Is there a different number? Is there a different number as well, or is it just 999?

• 9:00Speaker 01

  How available are they? Like, people say when you call an ambulance, it takes ages to come, or the sniper's just sitting there waiting. They're probably bored. And she must have sent a photo to them, and surely you would think that they would be more trained, that they'd be like, I hear. That's a weighted jacket. No.

• 9:14Speaker 02

  God, no.

• 9:15Speaker 01

  In they went with their laser guns and their weapons and had them down his knees. I don't know how he got back up with the weight of that jacket.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  Imagine the fright you'd get. I'd be there with my headphones on, you'd just be surrounded by people pointing guns at you. It'd be awful, actually.

• 9:30Speaker 01

  It would be, it would be awful.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  Would you have exercise for life?

• 9:32Speaker 01

  And it was in America, wasn't it? Because you don't.

• 9:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was in America, yeah.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  You don't fuck with the American police, I can tell you. Or the cabin crew, let me tell you.

• 9:42Speaker 02

  Why? What happened?

• 9:43Speaker 01

  You don't fuck with airport staff in Amer- like, so in this, in America, so they don't have, they have this TSA thing where you can kind of skip. They don't have, but I can't sign up to TSA because I'm not an American citizen. That's my understanding. But like the security queues and all, you just, like, so I, because I was, I was, I was, when I was flying from, when I was getting the flight from New York, there was a huge traffic incident on the way to the airport. Ross actually missed his plane, missed his flight and had to get another one. And I was, I was cutting close, I was cutting close, right? So we were an hour longer on the drive to the airport. And then we got there and the security queue, I mean, it was, like, it was, I was in it for an hour.

• 10:21Speaker 02

  I think it's always bad in America.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  I was in it for an hour in a security queue, right? And I said to one of the women in staff, and I said, come here, I'm gonna miss my flight. And in Ireland, in Ireland or the UK, I do genuinely believe they'd be like, they, because they know the queue is super slow. Do you know what you kind of, do you know, you know, when it just keeps going back on itself?

• 10:42Speaker 02

  Looping, looping, yeah, I'm embarrassed.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're like, no, oh my God, do not tell me there's another loop here. There can't be another loop. And they're just, the staff, they're quite, you know, they're not, you know. And listen, I'm sure it's a very stressful job, but its computer says, no. And there, I was like, I'm going to miss the flight. And she's like, no. And is it, are you going for a connecting flight? No, I'm gonna miss the flight. She basically like, tough shit, you're not skipping the queue. I was like, okay, fine. Because I've seen, you know, usually there is a queue for like, if your flight's about to take off, that's what I'm checking. Anyway, got through. I was like, fine, got through. Literally, I'd say, my flight was boarding and it was about to do its final call flashy thing and I asked, there was a man who looked like he was in a position of power, a lovely

• 11:26Speaker 01

  man with a buggy and I was like, where, what gate? And he was like, jump in, I'll drive you. Amazing. So I jumped in the back and I think he drove slower than I would have walked, to be honest. And he was, he was making the horn noise with his own mouth. It was so funny. Beep beep, beep beep, on the move, car on the move, car on the way. I'll send you the video. And it was so, everyone's just staring at me as I move at a glacial pace past everyone in New York Airport. Beep beep beep beep beep beep beep. He's doing it with his own mouth. That was really nice of him. It was hilarious. I got out and I nearly kissed his hand. I, when I say when I arrived

• 12:09Speaker 01

  at the gate, there was four people left to get on the plane and I wouldn't, I genuinely wouldn't have made it because, even though he was driving slowly, it was still quicker than I could have potentially walked. And it was like the last gate in the airport, you know what I mean? But, um. What's my point?

• 12:22Speaker 02

  People being jinxed, I don't even know.

• 12:30Speaker 03

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• 13:06Speaker 02

  Vogue and Joanne, my name is Lucy and I live in Wandsworth. Hello Lucy. I wanted to message in, me and all my girls listen to you every single week and then we talk about what you say in the group chat. It's so sad, but it gives us life. We love you.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  We love you.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  I even think I saw Vogue in London the other week, but was too scared to say hello. And plus, I didn't actually know if it was her. Maybe Vogue, you can confirm if you were coming out of press on the Strand a better week ago. I don't know when you sent this in, but I do frequent a press. If it was the morning time, you can be nearly sure it was me because I'd have been in for the purge. Anyway, the girls bet me that I couldn't get this message read out on the podcast. So if you actually see this or even read this, we'll all freak out and they'll owe me a drink or something. Also, I want to ask you what you think of this. My boyfriend, who I've been with for four years, wants to go to the shooting range as a date. Is he trying to murder me? Can't you say hello to Ally, Annabelle and Hope? Thank you. Nice work for a ferg.

• 14:12Speaker 02

  Joanne, absolutely. By the way, anyone wants to do, get a birthday message for Canada? She loves doing birthday messages.

• 14:18Speaker 01

  It's so funny. So we, we have talked about this before. I had no idea before I got into stand up or before I got into performing, I had no idea that people asking for shout outs at shows was a thing. I just didn't know it was a thing. And I don't know, I get several, I get several messages, I'd say, especially obviously when I'm on tour and we got them for ghosts and people asking for shout outs. So I was like, I just never knew that was a thing. But I, I can't do shout outs at shows because it's not in any way entertaining for anyone. Only the people getting shouted out. So it's just boring for everyone else. Like you can't do them. But I was like, I had no clue that they were, that was a thing. But yeah, so we've just done a shout out for someone. We could do shout outs on the pod. That's fine. It just doesn't work for shows.

• 14:59Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't think weekly shout outs are going to be fun for anyone either. It's like at the panto, you know, at the panto, at the end, they literally list through people's names with their like, Theodore, she's the otter. And that's how quickly they go.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  There was a cinema that I used to go to when I was, when I was a child in Glasshill in Dublin. And it was like quite old school. There'd be people cartwheeling in the aisles and no one cared. And but during the break in the, in the film, they, they used to, used to read out birth, like happy, they used to do happy birthday messages out with the tannoy. I know. It was great. Everyone loves, everyone loves a birthday shout out. They do. Sadly, I just can't do them at shows. Do you remember we used to ring up radio stations to try and get birthday shout outs as well? All summer. You'd be sitting in your friend's kitchen, ringing off the landline, long, long wave two, five, two, to try and get them to do your birthday shout out. It wasn't even your birthday. You thought you were a mad bastard. You're like, haha, it's not even my birthday. It would take you two months to get it across the line.

• 15:53Speaker 02

  Ah, you loser.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. Anyway, your boyfriend taking you to the shooting range. Yeah, he is trying to kill you. So don't go.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  I, I went to, where would you get a shooting range over here is what I'm wondering. But I actually, I went to a shooting range before in America. Um.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  Did you?

• 16:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, for a TV show, I was with this woman who had 250 guns and then her husband had his own gun room. And I just thought, where do you need all the guns for? God knows if she's still going.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  I haven't seen.

• 16:24Speaker 02

  Get quite shooty shooty in that house. Imagine 500 guns in your gaff.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  I, yeah, you wouldn't want to have a heated argument. See, this is what happens. This is what happens.

• 16:32Speaker 02

  I have a terrible temper.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  You do?

• 16:34Speaker 02

  Anything in the house.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  I could see you. I'd be on my knees, you have a gun to my head and you'd be like, apologize now.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  Okay, fine. Gave you a chance.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  Yeah. Pow, pow. Down she goes.

• 16:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:47Speaker 01

  I haven't, it's funny when you're not used to gun culture, seeing a gun, it, I remember coming out of the airport in Vienna. Yeah. And the, and the police were armed and I, I remember, I was like, it was, I was quite confronting. I was a bit freaked. Cause it's, they're scary.

• 17:02Speaker 02

  I don't really, I don't trust anyone with a gun.

• 17:05Speaker 01

  No.

• 17:06Speaker 02

  And I certainly don't trust a child with a gun. Have you ever seen them?

• 17:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, God almighty.

• 17:10Speaker 02

  Jesus Christ. Okay, here's an email. I accidentally hooked up with my best friend three times. Joanne in Vogue. I hooked up my best friend on Saturday. Not exactly a brand new development, which is part of the problem. I kind of like that though. The first time it happened was about, oh, nine years ago.

• 17:29Speaker 01

  Is this boy, girl, girl, girl, boy, boy?

• 17:30Speaker 02

  I think, I think it's boy, girl.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  Afterwards, he told me he loved me for fuck's sake.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  I think that's nice. That would put, you know what though? Put anyone off.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  It's the law of physics. You want what you can't have. It's the push and pull. Don't be needy.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  If he said, I fucking hate you, this would be a different email.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. You'd be like, I'm all about it.

• 17:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, the second time was two years ago, right before I moved away. I definitely had a bit of a crush on him back then, but he wasn't really in the right headspace for anything.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  Fast forward to this weekend, we were out watching rugby and having pints. At some point during the night, he apparently had a chat with my cousin about the two of us and what he actually thinks. I have absolutely no idea what was said, but the plot thickens.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 18:16Speaker 02

  Later, we ended up back at his place, made Cosmos, because obviously that's the next logical step after pints. And then he kissed me. One thing led to another. Here's the thing, I feel ridiculously comfort- comfortable with them. We've known each other for nearly 10 years now and everyone who sees us together said there's always been a look or some kind of tension between us, which is both validating and deeply unhelpful. The complication is that we live in different cities and I'm slightly terrified of messing up

• 18:46Speaker 02

  a decade-long friendship, but also, what if this is actually something? So the question is, do I risk the friendship but explore it? Or do we pretend the pints, rugby and Cosmos were simply a perfect storm? Please advise before the next round happens.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  You gotta explore it. You gotta explore it.

• 19:05Speaker 02

  And imagine-

• 19:05Speaker 01

  Sounds great.

• 19:07Speaker 02

  Imagine getting to marry your best friend.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  Any man who drinks Cosmos is-

• 19:12Speaker 02

  Tick, tick.

• 19:13Speaker 01

  Tick, tick in my- but do you know what I do think is interesting? I find that men are way quicker to explore a female friendship potential fancying situation than women. Women, we're more like, ugh, we're gonna ruin the friendship. Men are like, I don't care.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, you can, you can make more friends, do you know what I mean?

• 19:32Speaker 01

  Men are like, I don't care. I wanna ride you and I wanna see how it feels and then if we never look each other in the eye again, I'm over it. Whereas women are like, mm, I kinda value the friendship. This man though, I mean, he's told you he's in love with you and I, I believe him.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  That's the thing.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  I think this is more than just a, you know, a quick-

• 19:51Speaker 02

  Casual.

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Fondle, yeah, fondle in the evening. I think you're gonna end up going out with this man and probably marrying him.

• 19:57Speaker 02

  This is quite exciting. I feel like, like, keep us updated. This, I know you live in different cities, but like, that can, he'll move. Tell him to move.

• 20:05Speaker 01

  I would, oh, I forgot about the different cities thing. Who cares? Move. Who cares?

• 20:09Speaker 02

  No, he can move, he can move, he'll move.

• 20:11Speaker 01

  Or you move for the adventure. Move. Come to LA, live with me in the hills.

• 20:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. Take meetings, take meetings.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Take meetings with me, take meetings, take pointless, useless, countless meetings. But I do think if I'd, I like, and I also, I'm so like, oh my God, wouldn't it be so nice to have a crush? Vogue, you must miss that.

• 20:34Speaker 02

  Do you know what? You were lucky, yeah, but you can have it. You can do that.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  I know, I need to get out there. I was, I was texting a guy recently. And when I say I put a fizz in my step, I was like, I put a fizz in my step. No, it didn't come to anything, but I was like, just a little bit of excitement, just a little bit of, just a bit of something.

• 20:53Speaker 02

  It's coming to the summer, it's time.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  It's, it's, you need a bit of fizz in the step and I'd have a crush like that. And especially when you know he's got serious feelings for you. And maybe that's why she's, maybe that's why she's hesitant, because she's like, oh, if we do this, we're like doing this.

• 21:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you kind of have feelings for him too.

• 21:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so. And I think friendship is the best solid grounding. Weren't you and Spano friends before you started hooking up?

• 21:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, for about four and a half minutes, but yes, we were originally friends.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, for a day, yeah.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  Well, no, in fairness, we were trying to, we were kind of like that. We were like hooking up, but then it was like, no, we're friends, we're friends, we're not going. So, yeah, it's a nice thing.

• 21:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is. I think friendship is the absolute basis. I've gone out with lads that I got to know over a space of a couple of years and then ended up going out with them and obviously then it all, it all went tits up. But I do think friendship is a great basis.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  I agree. Everyone, thank you so much for listening.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  Explore that thing. Stick on your head torch, take out your spade and explore that man.

• 21:53Speaker 02

  And let, oh God, and don't, don't go excavating him.

• 22:01Speaker 01

  Pull him apart, pull him apart, fillet him like a fish.

• 22:08Speaker 02

  That's Juanses. Good luck. Go full Columbus on him.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  See what he has to offer.

• 22:18Speaker 02

  Everyone, thank you so much for listening. That's been the bonus episode and we'll see you for the main.

• 22:57Speaker 00

  This has been a Global Player original production.