Jojo Siwa, Curly Blow & Sticklebacks

There are lots of very serious topics to talk about, so Vogue & Joanne are getting straight in. Jojo Siwa knows what she's doing, right? Can we all agree? And the Americans are not properly informed about Conor McGregor. That's just the half of it! If you’d like to get in touch, you can send an email to [email protected] Please review Global's Privacy Policy: https://global.com/legal/privacy-policy/ For merch, tour dates and more visit: www.mytherapistghostedme.com Joanne's comedy gigs: www.joannemcnally.com This episode contains explicit language and adult themes that may not be suitable for all listeners.

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  Welcome to My Therapist Ghosted Me with me Vogue Williams. I'm Joanne McCallie.

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  Well done.

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  Name checked.

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  Oh, hang on, we were just talking about tech. I don't think Joanne's in the right camera.

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  What?

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  No, I think we're, no, we're using the-

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  Sorry.

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  Okay, we'll be back after these messages.

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  Speaking of technical dramas. Obviously now we have all high quality equipment because of the YouTube situation. But I went down, I went down to do the Two Johnnies podcast in care in Tipperary last week.

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  How long did that take you to get there?

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  Yeah, it's a fair, it's a fair trek. It's a fair trek.

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  It's a long, long way to Tipperary, Joanne.

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  Famously.

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  It is, as the saying goes, as the saying goes, it is, but they're worth it.

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  They are worth it.

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  They are relentlessly the largest podcast in Ireland. Me and you, we kind of wiggle around, we're always up there, we do well, but they are always number one. It's very impressive and they're sound. I like them.

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  They are sound and they've got a, they did actually a really quite fun TV show.

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  Do you remember they did all the GAA Catfish stuff, Jo?

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  Oh, that-

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  Yeah, it was good quality. It was good content.

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  It was.

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  Yeah.

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  It was great quality and I wouldn't mind, but Johnny one and Johnny two, but Johnny two or Johnny one, I don't know actually what, I don't know what the chronology of them is. The one that, um-

• 2:22Speaker 03

  Got catfished. He's, he's got a new girlfriend who we met online as well.

• 2:26Speaker 02

  It's the only way to meet people these days, Joan McNally. You've got a risk of catfishing for that.

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  I was like, were you not worried you were going to get done again? And, and I met her and do you know what the gossip was? Do you know where they met?

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  How?

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  She, she's a big fan of our podcast folk.

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  Oh, isn't it? Well, I like her already.

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  Exactly. She's a woman of taste and standards.

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  Demure. She sounds demure and classy and elegant.

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  And high end. I would say bordering on genius. And with a wicked sense of humour. And she was listening to us one day trotting down the road. And she got distracted, as sometimes women do, listening to podcasts. And she got run over because she was laughing at something I, you or Joe.

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  And, and yeah, she got knocked over. And, and this was, of course, again, a funny story. And I'm pretty sure she contacted me at the time, unless, unless there's multiple people getting run over listening to us. I think, I think it might only be her because I think she contacted me. Anyway, she contacted him about it and that's how they started chatting. And then he copped that she was a real person and everything and all that jazz. Anyway, my point was, when I went down, they have, those lads, they're very smart. They have removed themselves from city life. They've removed themselves from the rat race. I was so impressed with the Two Johnnies studio and I was like, imagine we just had a studio. Imagine we lived nearby each other. We didn't travel as much and we just had a studio. Oh yeah. Okay. Joe's pointing to the room because he's in our studio.

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  I'm in your studio. That's where I am.

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  We mean in our own home.

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  It's mutually convenient to both of you in the centre of London. Here it is.

• 4:07Speaker 03

  We mean in our own home. They just do their pod. They don't travel. They have lovely homes. I think it's time to go country.

• 4:17Speaker 02

  Well, Joan, may I suggest Espana?

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  If we're gonna leave, can we not move somewhere where it's really sunny and not raining? I told you.

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  What are the comedy clubs like in Espana though? Cause I don't speak Spanish.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  Doesn't matter, they'll find you, they'll find you, they'll find you even funnier. And Joanne, you don't mind, just a bit of travel for work, you'd be over here. I said to Joanne last night, I'm gonna start viewing houses over here. And she goes, great, great. I might buy one too. And then I said, well, you'll have to buy one first. Cause I actually can't afford when I'm just doing what people call manifesting. Is that not, is that not the ultimate manifest? If I go and view a house here, then I'm really manifesting. Like owning a house here, no?

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  Yes, I believe that's how manifesting works. You just put it in your mind's eye. Go and have a look.

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  I'm gonna go sit in a Ferrari later as well.

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  Sit in a Ferrari, put that in your mind's eye. The third one, apparently that's where all the good shit goes in, all the material stuff.

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  All the material shit goes for your third eye, which is the one in the middle of your forehead, allegedly.

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  I'm gonna print out a bath full of pretend money and lay in it for hours.

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  Maybe that's where I can't manifest. Cause when I got my laser eye, I never did the third one. So it's foggy. Cause they only got the two main eyes done. Maybe that's why I don't see any, any future, or I'm, I don't believe in manifesting.

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  So one of the children poked me in the eye and now I'm worried. Remember I told you I had 2020 plus vision? I'm gonna have to get my eyes tested again because one's not working. But people responded to my story and this, so one woman, her mother got poked in the eye so badly by her brother that her eye, she was blinded for the rest of her life. That was it. Blinded. Imagine how much, I mean, I wonder what age the child was at the time. Maybe he was a teenager. And that's why she got blinded.

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  I don't imagine a child would have the strength, would they? I don't know. I don't deal with children that regularly. Are they strong?

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  It would depend on what way they catch you. But that's the one thing in like fighting sports that's, you're not allowed to do that. You're not allowed bare knuckle boxing. You're not allowed eye gage. MMA, you're not allowed eye gage. It's just one of those things that you're not allowed to do. And I can understand why.

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  I just wouldn't have the aim. I try and, and I'd have, I'd end up sticking my finger up their arse or something. I wouldn't, I just wouldn't have the aim. I'd go completely wayward.

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  What a mis- oh, what a mistake. Whoops.

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  Sorry, I was confused.

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  Wearing them like a ring. I'm so sorry about that. I can only apologize. I just don't have the eye. I don't have, I'm bad with my left and my right and all that stuff. Do you remember that I had the bit of eye business, which I'm sure I've spoken about before, where I got the stickleback in the eye and then had to go down and have it. I had to wear an eye patch for months when I was a child. Did you remember that?

• 7:02Speaker 03

  I must have told you. We're four years in now. I must have told this story.

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  You didn't. What's a stickleback? What's a stickleback, first of all? Is that that thing you blow and all the like things go off and you make a wish or no?

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  Something of that family. But it's a sticker.

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  Not a nettle?

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  Do you know the ones, the sticklebacks? And they, they, Jo, can we get some fact checking here on the sticklebacks?

• 7:22Speaker 04

  I thought a stickleback was a fish, to be honest. So, yeah, I need to.

• 7:25Speaker 02

  No, I actually know what you mean by it. They do stick to your, they stick to your clothes and stuff. They're just like a piece of green.

• 7:31Speaker 03

  They're part of a nettle, I believe.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  Oh, now I'm confused. I don't know what a stickleback is then.

• 7:38Speaker 04

  I can't find any plants called sticklebacks. I must be honest. I am just getting fish.

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  Fish. Well, okay, so obviously I've, there's holes in the story already, but I'll power on.

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  Isn't that time your eye fell out? That time?

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  Remember I was at war and I went blind?

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  You're just sticking back in?

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  Yeah.

• 7:58Speaker 02

  Is this your first or second life?

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  Yeah. Remember in medieval England when I was done for stealing a loaf of bread?

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  I remember.

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  And then got stretched on the plank in the town square. That one.

• 8:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that.

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  Well, anyway, I was, we were in primary school and so one of the girls quite aggressively threw a stickleback in my eye. We used to throw these things at each other and they'd stick to our jumpers and stuff. So I don't know, I obviously called them sticklebacks.

• 8:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I kind of know what you mean.

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  Anyway, it caused a lot of damage to my left iris and it scratched the iris. And then my mother, because she's a nurse, didn't believe there was anything wrong with me because she's a nurse. So any kind of pain that isn't.

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  Because she's an Irish mother as well. There's like, yeah.

• 8:39Speaker 03

  Add nurse onto that. And like, unless you're holding your head in your hands, you're not going anywhere. You know what I mean?

• 8:46Speaker 02

  Well, my wrist is sore, your hand is on the floor. You're fine. Go to school.

• 8:50Speaker 03

  Yeah. Unless both kneecaps have been blown out.

• 8:54Speaker 03

  So anyway, eventually I was in so much pain. I still to this day remember it. So as a forty two year old grandmother, I remember the pain. Every time I closed my eyes, closed my eye, it was like there was thorns in my eye. And she was driving me down. And I remember her saying to me, because she was bringing me to her hospital where she worked. So of course, that was an extra level of pressure to be almost terminally ill if your if your mother was bringing you into her own hospital.

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  That if she brought you in for nothing, she was like, I don't want to be one of those mothers, you know. And she said to me, she said to me, I remember I was sitting in the like, I was going blind. And she said, there better be something wrong with your eye.

• 9:33Speaker 02

  So you were never so happy as to see the torture you caused yourself?

• 9:38Speaker 03

  I was like, oh, my God, you know, when you're second guessing the agony because you're like, maybe I'm maybe I am looking for attention. And I then went down and the doctor was like, oh, no, this is quite serious. And the relief, I was so relieved because I knew I wouldn't get beaten when I got home by pass.

• 9:52Speaker 02

  So your mother was relieved too?

• 9:54Speaker 03

  She was, of course, because she's like, oh, thank God. And then I had to wear an eye patch for ages. And I just stand at the top of the class and the teacher looked, pointed at me and talked about the dangerous sticklebacks. Yes, there you go.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  Anything to do with the eye is one of like, you know that like when when that happened to my eye, it was like this overwhelming pain where I couldn't catch my breath. I was like, and you're like, oh, my God, that's it. My eye is coming out. And I was like, you know, when you're like, you know, if you hit your head, you touch your head and then look at your hands, see if there's blood, I would touch my eye and then put my hand down to see if my eye was just stigmating and it wasn't.

• 10:27Speaker 03

  Did you ever cut an eye open in biology?

• 10:30Speaker 02

  No, we did hearts. We did hearts. I don't remember getting my hands on an eye.

• 10:34Speaker 03

  Was it a frog heart or something? Or did you what school did you go to? Was it private? Was it a human heart?

• 10:40Speaker 02

  It was not private. It was a it was a heart from the butchers. I think it was just a sheep's heart or something. And then I brought it home. My dad ate it. My dad used to love eating hearts.

• 10:50Speaker 03

  I'd say eat and have real human hearts of like people, poor people, do they? Those really posh skills. I'd say they bring in human people and then they torture them, kill them and then use their human hearts. Would I be right?

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  They wouldn't get sticklebacks. Like, oh, my God, I've got a crystal in the eye. It'd be like that. Crap, there's diamond dust in my eyeballs. Not again, mother.

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  I'd love to be that posh. I really would.

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  Check us out on YouTube. We're on YouTube now if you want to watch us. Our gorgeous faces. Obviously today I'm back in the sunglasses. That a heavy we got.

• 12:09Speaker 03

  Conor McGregor is not running for president. That is bullshit.

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  That's what happened to my eye, by the way. I saw those dick pics and it just exploded.

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  Wanted to gouge one out. I know.

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  I had to. I started clawing at the eyes. I said, oh no.

• 12:25Speaker 03

  I know, yeah. You're like, I can't, I have to wash my eyes. Didn't Waterford Whispers doing something? They were like, there's been an upturn in the sale of bleachers. People try, Irish people tried to bleach their eyes to rid themselves of the memory of watching Conor McGregor's dick. Basically, anyone who missed it, and I don't know how you would, but Conor McGregor was sending dick pics to Azelia Banks and Azelia Banks outed him on his, on whatever. I don't know why, because I think they have been sending nude to each other for a couple of years.

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  Since 2016.

• 12:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I don't know what's turned, but she decided she didn't want them anymore. But he insists on sending them anyway. Wouldn't be like him. Wouldn't be like him.

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  I would say, do you know what?

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  You know what made her turn? When he started putting like weights and stuff, pretend little baby weights on his. Like, I mean, imagine, imagine like his kids see that. Like, that's your dad who's bought like mini baby weights to hang off his. Honestly, I saw it and I was like, wow. That was not a sight I was ready for.

• 13:23Speaker 03

  The general consensus is, what is she, what is she taking to handle this shit? Like, that's what I want to know. What is she on? What meds is she on? How much staging? How much meditation? Because even she would have-

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Do you not think that there must be, they have to have an agreement of some kind? And the agreement would be, he just fucks off and does whatever he wants and she stays home with the kids. There has to be something there because she's not just like, she is like-

• 13:53Speaker 03

  She's not going anywhere.

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  As soon as those pictures comes out, she's posting about, about him.

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  Happy birthday to him, all this. I mean, it's wild. And like I say, I know this isn't about Dee, this is about Conor, but we know what he's like. He's never going to change. He's always going to behave like this.

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  Do you know who doesn't know who he's like? Americans don't yet know what he's like. Americans still actually put him on a pedestal and think that he is this real amazing stand up guy. And it's like, what have you missed? How does like, how do we all know? And you, it hasn't translated across there. Like, I just don't understand.

• 14:28Speaker 03

  Well, I ended up posting an old clip from Prosecco where I was-

• 14:31Speaker 02

  That was so funny.

• 14:32Speaker 03

  Basically slagging him off. I was talking about the Irish class system. I really need to post more clips. They're really effective.

• 14:39Speaker 02

  That one in particular had such great timing and it was so funny.

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  Yeah, because Connor, Connor was the talk of the town because of the dick pics to Azalea. So I was like, I might as well dig out because I knew I had some Connor stuff. So I dug it out. And it was talking about the Irish class system and how Annie's up the top. You know the singer, Joe? Sail Away, Sail Away. And then we're all in the middle, scrapping over dry robes. And then down the bottom is Conor McGregor. Anyway, the amount of, the amount of Irish who were, who were tagging their American friends being like, see? I told you, we don't like him. So that was, Vogue, you reminded me of that when they said, when you said about Americans don't. But then also he's always, he's also in the, in cahus for Trump a lot, isn't he?

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  Trump loves him.

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  Yeah.

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  I mean, I'm sorry, look at Trump. Look at Trump though. Come on. Like they're all in this same little section of the world that you just like, I just- The manosphere. It's just, I think it's a really like, it's a really grim reality to think that, especially because I have two young boys, I'd hate for them to be thinking that that's the way that is appropriate to act like. Because remember I told you, I don't know if I did say it to you, I was in a, in a sauna when I was filming in Cornwall, you know, I love the sauna. Love it. And, um, and I was sitting there and there was this young boy in there.

• 15:55Speaker 03

  You're like, you're like a Greek god where you have your thoughts.

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  I just, I went to the vomitorium and then I said, where am I going next to the sauna? And then I'm hitting the baths.

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  I love it. And then we feast.

• 16:10Speaker 03

  And then we feast.

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  Then I got my chicken leg. Um, no, so I got in the sauna and there was this fellow there and I knew he wanted to talk to, like, you know, when someone just wants to have a conversation, I was like, shite, I'm really loving my book at the moment. And anyway, so I was like trying just to read my book and then he started talking about it and then he was like, oh, you're Irish. Do you love Conor McGregor? And I was like, no, do you? And he was like, well, yeah, I just think him and Andrew Tate have a lot to say. And I was like, I literally was like, oh no, I've got my hands up to my mouth. And I was like, dude, please. I was like, what age are you? I was like, like, I, I could be your mother, essentially. I was like, please look into this a bit more.

• 16:49Speaker 03

  Was he that young?

• 16:51Speaker 02

  He was, well, he was 20. I got my period when I was 16. Okay. Do you want? So I could have been his mother.

• 16:55Speaker 03

  Of course. I was only asking. You just hadn't given him an age. You hadn't given him an age.

• 17:03Speaker 03

  There wasn't a ta, there wasn't an attack on your fertility. God knows, we know you have that.

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  That's how I judge people now. I'm like, I could be your, I could be your mother. And I find myself saying this and I'm like, shut up. Anyway, so I told him I could be his mother and I was like, please, just like, please look into this a bit more. Cause it does worry me about young kids thinking this is cool. Like that he's this great stand of God.

• 17:25Speaker 03

  It's a, it's a large issue because the truth is, the stuff that he's, the stuff he says is resonating with certain men. It is. So, you know, they're hot, they're hot. Like, what's that? Well, you know, as women, we're shocked and appalled, but we're not men. So there's a reason why it's resonating. Anyway, look, that's, that's for another podcast. That's not our problem. We, we don't go down those lanes. We don't go down those roads. We stick to what we know. Don't we? Speaking of that, let's talk about Jojo Siwa.

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  Oh, finally, she's got Jojo Siwa. Joanne, I think it's really unfair that you're inflicting this on us all the time on your Instagram, everything. That thing that I saw you post today about what they've called Chris Hughes's balls. I'm like, Joanne, I live a life not wanting to know that stuff, yet you keep flooding my brain with this.

• 18:15Speaker 03

  Basically, I went to a party at the weekend. It was James Kavanaugh, who is a very good friend of mine. We used to work together in PR. Vogue knows him also. And he's moved to Kilkenny. He's living a country life with his boyfriend, William, and they're big foodies. Anyway, he threw a party. I had such a ball at that party. And it's, do you know when you know it's gonna be a big ass party? You know, you're like, it's gonna be a big ass party. And I got a curly blow dry. I don't know if you noticed, Vogue.

• 18:38Speaker 02

  I saw the curly blow dry and I said, who is that gorgeous girl in front of my eyes?

• 18:42Speaker 03

  Thank you. As we know, I scrub up well and then I scrub down almost immediately to an unrecognisable feral rat. But I had-

• 18:49Speaker 02

  She got a curly blow dry to go and hang around with a load of gay guys.

• 18:53Speaker 03

  Excuse me, Vogue. Not everything I do is for the male-

• 18:56Speaker 02

  At least it was appreciated by then.

• 18:57Speaker 03

  I was about to say, not everything I do is for the male gays. I meant G A Z E, not G A Y S.

• 19:07Speaker 02

  At least the gays, G A Y S, appreciated it.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  I did say at one point, because we were having, we were all like, oh, we're having such a lovely time. We get on so well. We're having such a ball. But I did say, would it not be nice to introduce a couple of straight guys into this group? Like, it would just be nice to know that I'm coming down with a hint of something. But there's no, there's no straights at the, at the, at these parties. But anyway, I went in for the curly blow dry. I went into a place in Kilkenny and she did a great job, to the point where we were both pissing ourselves laughing. It was very ringlet vibes and it was, it was very Shirley Temple vibes. And before, because before the curls drop, it's quite an extreme look, okay?

• 19:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:45Speaker 03

  And I looked like a majorette. Do you know the women who like twirl the battens?

• 19:51Speaker 02

  I thought that's the look that you were going for. Like, remember that time I came on the pod and I had a curly blow dry and you two just sat there laughing at me for what felt like 11 minutes?

• 20:00Speaker 03

  That was a great day, Jo, wasn't it? I remember- I still think about that sometimes. Yeah.

• 20:05Speaker 02

  Well, I enjoyed, I enjoyed your similar hairstyle this weekend.

• 20:09Speaker 03

  If I'm sad, I'll just take that out of the, I was gonna call it the wank bank, the lol bank.

• 20:15Speaker 03

  What's that doing in the Wang Bank? Hey, walk it in there.

• 20:19Speaker 03

  I said no bog in the Wang Bank, not after the last time.

• 20:23Speaker 02

  If I'm not, if there's not at least one screenshot of me in your Wang Bank, I don't know what I've done wrong or what I've done to offend you.

• 20:30Speaker 03

  It's you as the Afghan hound. That's, that's in the Wang Bank. And that's not going anywhere. Rest assured. Anyway, I got this insanely tight curly bra dry. Also, James taught us, we, we went to play hurling as part of the party. He brought us down to the local G A, not G A club, hurling club. I don't fucking, I don't know the language. I've never felt more Dublin in my life. I was there. In heels.

• 20:52Speaker 02

  They took us to the G A A club to play hurling. Well, maybe they did actually. I don't know. Did they play in the same place?

• 20:57Speaker 03

  We went to a club down the road which had a, a bar which served hot spirits and pints. And a green area outside with hurling men. And they taught us, they brought us around and taught us little bits of hurling. And we, I, at one point I had a cigarette in my hand and I was wearing Mark Jacobs platform boots with a hurl in one hand. And I was trying to use it as a hockey stick or a tennis racket. And I was like, this is why they hate Dublin. I was like, I, this is, I get it now. They hate us. And fair play to them. They should. Anyway, also, by the way, learning hurling, I realised I'm not a team player.

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• 22:03Speaker 03

  I was so hungover yesterday. I ate so much. It was like I was going into hibernation. I've never, do you know the way, did you ever get those sweet toots when you're hungover? Cause it's something about your, your body has to use your.

• 22:13Speaker 02

  I don't know you to be hungover.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Anyway, back to the party.

• 22:21Speaker 03

  When I walked in, Adam Sherry said to me, "Your hair is amazing." And then he burstly laughed and he said, "It's very much giving Jojo Siwa Betty Davis eyes."

• 22:32Speaker 03

  And I said, "I can't, I cannot even disagree with you, Adam. You have nailed the aesthetic." Then, of course, it meant that I could talk about Jojo Siwa for the next hour at the Heist Party. Why both of you are not obsessed with this pivot from pop lesbian to trad wife with this guy Christopher Hughes, who she's now going out with, that she met on Celebrity Big Brother. Vogue, you must have been watching this. She was, she went in gay, she came out straight by. That's, that's not a conversation I want to get into because the LGBTQ community are all trying to argue that out amongst themselves. I stay out of, I stay in my lane. But the relationship with him is so weird and I was willing to support it at the start.

• 23:12Speaker 02

  We tend to lose one of the gang all the same, you know what I mean? That's probably why they're a bit like, "What the hell, we want her back."

• 23:17Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 23:17Speaker 02

  Back into our community, Tay.

• 23:19Speaker 03

  It's also, it kind of feeds into this narrative of like, "See, all she needed was a good bit of D to ride the lesbian out of her." Like, there's all those arguments going on. Like I say, I stay in my lane. I stay in my, I stay in my straight cis lane with my curly blow dries at my gay parties. But she's going out with them and they've released, I now believe that she is an absolute rage baiter. I was, I was, her, her whole thing, she's a bit of a melt. That's okay, she's young, she's 21, I get it, she's figuring her shit out.

• 23:47Speaker 02

  She only 21?

• 23:48Speaker 03

  She's only 21 or 22, yeah.

• 23:50Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 23:51Speaker 03

  To say she's lived a life. But this guy, he's a good bit older than her. He used to go out with Olivia Atwood. And someone asked her about Olivia, someone asked her-

• 23:58Speaker 02

  I really like Olivia Atwood, I have to say.

• 24:00Speaker 03

  I really like her as well.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  I'm into her a lot, yeah. I like the shows that she makes.

• 24:06Speaker 03

  I like her attitude, yeah.

• 24:07Speaker 02

  She seems sound.

• 24:09Speaker 03

  She does and she's-

• 24:09Speaker 02

  10 out of 10.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  She's driven, she's driven. She's, she's a goer, she's a go-getter. But she used to go out with your man, Chris Hughes. And when she was asked about what she thought about the relationship between Chris Hughes and Jojo Siwa, Olivia Atwood said, "I think-" That Jojo Siwa is very famous, i.e. Chris Hughes is going out with her because she's very famous. And I have to agree. I look at them together and I'm like, I'm not buying it. I think it's an absolute PR stunt now. They post photos of themselves, very intimate photos where they're both clearly naked in bed, post-coital. Jojo Siwa is asleep on his chest. He is so much older than her. She looks like a child. He looks like he's doing skin to skin with a newborn baby.

• 24:53Speaker 02

  He is, he's too, he is too old for her. But like, I have, like, I have met him now, I have to be honest.

• 25:00Speaker 03

  Have you?

• 25:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've met him a few times. Very nice, nice fellow when I met him. But like, I do, I've stayed out of the Jojo Siwa stuff because it kind of, it feels funny to me is the way that I'm gonna say it. I just, I don't wanna see it because it, like, I let it get on my nerves. And I don't know why I let it get on my nerves. Because why should I care?

• 25:19Speaker 03

  I know. Do you know why? Because it's annoying to watch people make their whole personality their relationship. It's really annoying to watch. The problem is, we buy it. Like, so, and that's why I think it's the rage bait. They're obviously setting up all these shots. They seem so smug with each other. They're always, and like I say, I was starting to like her. And now she's just crossed this weird line. And now she's done this Betty Davis cover, which is the Betty Davis. Have you listened to it, Jo?

• 25:47Speaker 04

  I'd be honest, I'm not overly familiar with who she is. I'm doing my background research now.

• 25:53Speaker 03

  She sounds like she's singing it with electronic larynx. Do you know those things that people use when they've had their throat removed for cancer?

• 26:08Speaker 03

  And she's doing it on purpose. Clear your throat. Cough, cough, cough, Jojo. Just cough.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  I know, but I think that you have to remember what you might have forgotten about a lot of the time, well, a lot of people within this industry, is people do that kind of stuff.

• 26:23Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  People set up stuff like that.

• 26:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  People set up pop shots, people set up, all this kind of stuff. Like, it's all around. It happens all the time. So like, this is just a part of it.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  The Betty Davis video, have you seen it? It looks like she's in drag.

• 26:37Speaker 02

  No, no, I have to, I have to, I'm sorry, I have to remove myself from it. And if you continuously post shit like you posted today, I'm muting you, Joanna McCully.

• 26:47Speaker 03

  This was, this was the straw that broke the camel's back.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  No more for all of us.

• 26:54Speaker 03

  I'm scrolling through the internet last night, minding my own business. I'm hungover, I'm vulnerable, I'm, I'm, here we go. Chris Hughes, she calls my balls Jimmy and Timmy.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  No. No one calls, no one calls anyone's balls anything. You try to ignore them because they're not attractive.

• 27:13Speaker 03

  I don't want to get that far now. I've, I've, I've named some testicles in my time.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  You've named balls? I've never named balls.

• 27:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:21Speaker 02

  I've named the rest of the package. I haven't named balls.

• 27:24Speaker 03

  Cheating bastard, ball one and ball two.

• 27:31Speaker 03

  I think the photos that they are releasing.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  I shouldn't say that. Hang on, I shouldn't say that balls are really ugly because that's not fair. Because I wouldn't appreciate, Jo, if you said something about me that wasn't, I love balls, okay? I love balls. There you go. That's the next headline. I love balls.

• 27:48Speaker 03

  The photos that they are setting up and holding hands and like hugging, they, they have the same amount of authenticity as, do you remember when those two lads dragged that dead body into the post office?

• 27:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're uncle.

• 28:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, do you remember? To buy, to get the doll, do you remember? And then they left him on the ground.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  Will I ever forget?

• 28:06Speaker 03

  And tried to blame his death at the post office. They dragged a dead body in and pretended it was real. The JoJo Siwa relationship photos of Chris Hughes, they have the same authenticity. In my eyes, they are as fake and as bogus.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  Are they, are you talking about pop shots? Do they go around setting up pop shots?

• 28:22Speaker 03

  Pop shops, pop shots, and also their kind of domestic footage of them, like kind of, he, she pretends, she's making a pateen and he'll come up and squeeze her from the back and she'll pretend she's like, oh, who's that? Like, it's, it's, it's, it's gross. I've decided. I'm not, I'm, I have to look away. I have to, I know it's on me. It's up to me. I'm accountable for what I take in of the internet, but she's, if, if it is rage bait, which I think it is, she deserves a prize because my god, this woman is good.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, but you've said that about her, you've said that about her for ages about it being rage bait. Have I? Yeah, since before Chris Hughes, you did.

• 28:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I did. You're right. I stand by it.

• 28:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, you are right, as always. I need to talk about something. I have to do it. I don't even know if it's going to be too late to talk about it, but it doesn't seem like it's dying down at all. Please, Coldplay CEO. Oh, my God, of course. Sorry. Oh, so for anyone who has been living under a rock, Coldplay had their concerts. Where was the concert on, actually? Was it in Washington or something? Boston. They're, they have this cam that goes around and catches people and it's just like their hello cam. Like Peter Kay does it as well.

• 29:26Speaker 03

  Kiss cam.

• 29:27Speaker 02

  The kiss cam kind of thing.

• 29:28Speaker 04

  They do it at American sports. If you're at the, like, baseball and stuff, they'll zoom in the camera on you.

• 29:33Speaker 03

  It's how Pamela Anderson was discovered.

• 29:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was, it was. That's right.

• 29:36Speaker 04

  That's amazing.

• 29:38Speaker 02

  It's actually, it's a fun kind of thing that you do all the time and people are desperate to get on the camera because it's like a concert of their favourite people. But anyway, Coldplay were going around, they're going to these different people and all of a sudden they cut to this couple and the man has his arms around this woman and it was like they melted into the ground. They just like tucked, ducked and rolled. It was so obvious. They did not want to be filmed together. And then Chris Martin said, he was like, oh, I hope that these two are just shy and not having an affair or something. Turns out they were having an affair. They worked for these huge, this huge company, Astronomer, I think it was called. And they were having this big affair. His wife was at home and now it is like all over the internet.

• 30:23Speaker 02

  There is memes absolutely everywhere. I mean, I just, how do you feel about it? Because I feel obviously terribly sorry for the wife and the kids because imagine, it's one thing being told someone's cheating on you. It's another thing actually seeing it. So like if she's seeing it in real life, it's like, it's just, and now there's all these videos of coming out of them kissing and stuff that were caught by somebody else and sent into TMZ. It's like.

• 30:49Speaker 03

  Can I, can I just say, Vogue, you never explain anything. Vogue just jumps in in the middle of a story about family members or something and that we have to kind of backtrack. And sometimes me and Jo will say, Vogue, you have to explain what it is. And you've now gone to the trouble of explaining the biggest story, like.

• 31:05Speaker 04

  It was a hell of an explainer.

• 31:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, and she's really gone into detail on it.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  It was good. It was a good explainer.

• 31:10Speaker 04

  Great.

• 31:10Speaker 03

  It was really good.

• 31:11Speaker 04

  If I'd have never seen it, which I have a thousand times, if I'd have never seen it, I'd know now.

• 31:17Speaker 03

  I have never seen something bring the world together more, maybe since the Berlin Wall coming down, than this scandal on the Jumbotron. It's like, it's what the internet was built for, in a way, because the absolute crack the world is having, the camaraderie, at the expense of these proud people.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  I know.

• 31:36Speaker 03

  And it's very humiliating.

• 31:37Speaker 02

  But like, I'm sorry, what happened to having affairs in seedy hotel rooms in the middle of nowhere? You're taking her to a Coldplay concert, and why didn't you just, if they'd, if they'd just smiled and waved?

• 31:48Speaker 03

  Brazen. It reminds me of the old Celtic saying, "A neck like a jockey's bollocks." To stand at a concert, like that. And then my mother, Pat, had a little moment on the internet, because I filmed what she thought about it, and she was like, "I think they were just good friends, and they could have been resting on each other." And if I was at a concert, that length of time, I'd need to rest on somebody.

• 32:09Speaker 02

  Show her what TMZ have brought out.

• 32:12Speaker 03

  She knows so well.

• 32:13Speaker 02

  We want an update.

• 32:14Speaker 03

  Pat's rage baiting me, I'm pretty sure. She's fucking looking a lot of JoJo Siwa, she knows what she's doing. But firstly, neck like a jockey's bollocks, like, it's a little naive now, you're, like, you're all over each other, you should be hiding it more. But what really made me laugh, firstly, it made me miss working in an office, I'll be honest, the scandal, the, the, the work affairs, the gossip, the watercooler moments, all that. I was like, the only person I could potentially have an affair with is one of you or my mother, they're the only people I see on a day-to-day basis. And my local parista, but he's not into it, I can tell. And then, they were saying that, there was a lot of Christians saying, "Oh, well, this is Jesus," because Jesus really wanted this couple to be outed. I was like, it's a little deluded to think that Jesus-

• 32:56Speaker 02

  Oh, did you watch that fellow that was calling it unclean?

• 32:58Speaker 03

  No.

• 32:59Speaker 02

  Sorry, dude, some pastor in a church, and he's like, "This is not love, this is not clean." And he just keeps going on about it being not clean. It's like, okay, dude, let's see what skeletons come out of your closet soon, pal.

• 33:15Speaker 03

  But the Christians are the ones you have to watch, they are the most suspicious, they are the, they are the sketchiest of all people. But it's a little naive to think that Jesus, with everything that's going on in the world, is driving a Jumbotron around a Coldplay concert to try and out.

• 33:29Speaker 02

  It was Jesus. I think it was Jesus myself, yeah.

• 33:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's Sunday, I'm not arsed with the Middle East, let's see, what else can I, ah!

• 33:36Speaker 02

  Jesus is bringing the worlds to right again.

• 33:39Speaker 03

  They're so funny. Did you see the wife has now come out with a statement, which I think is actually AI, because there's a lot of grammatical errors. And I feel it is, and that's if it's not fair, I'm not shading on her literacy skill. I just mean, it looks like it is.

• 33:53Speaker 02

  Because I think he brought out a statement and it turned out it wasn't him either. So I don't know what's real.

• 33:58Speaker 03

  Well, his statement, the one that, there is a statement of his that is real, where he's like, look, Scarlett, I've made a huge mistake, didn't need it to happen on that scale. And then he gave some cosplay quote, and that is him. Then there was a TikTok going around of his daughter, who's now used the profile to set up an OnlyFans account. Then that turned out to be fake. Then the mother removed her surname off her Facebook account. That is real. This is why you don't take anyone's name, girls. You don't take anyone's name. Then she deleted her account. That's real. He's lost his job. That's real. The woman involved has not lost her job.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  Well, let me tell you about this. So she,

• 34:34Speaker 03

  At time of recording.

• 34:36Speaker 02

  She works in H R. So I was thinking about it and I was like, hang on a second. Is she going to be working like both sides of the desk, one side, what do you think you were up to the other side? Well, I was just at a company. Yeah, how is that going to work?

• 34:47Speaker 03

  She'll have to do it for herself.

• 34:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, she'll just be like swapping over sides. She'll wear a hat on one side and then she'll have no hat on the other side.

• 34:55Speaker 03

  She'll be like, can I speak to you outside for five minutes, please? What a nightmare.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  The whole thing is a nightmare.

• 35:03Speaker 03

  The wife released a statement and if it's true, which I'm not sure it is, it is very impressive.

• 35:09Speaker 02

  Can I just say something about AI, by the way? I really am getting fed up with it. I was watching horses on diving boards the other day and I was like, when did they teach them that? And I watched about six of them and then I was like, there's no way a horse can do that. And I'm so sick of being duped like that.

• 35:26Speaker 03

  I know, I'm the same. It's fucking terrible.

• 35:29Speaker 02

  I was like, oh my God, because I was thinking they could do dressage. So what's to say they can't dive?

• 35:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 35:37Speaker 03

  I know. I'm the same. I'm so, I'm so naive. I'm so gullible. I have a whole bit on it in a peanut far now about the shit that I've seen that I believe. I know. It's actually kind of embarrassing.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  I saw a giraffe and it was, it was carrying the baby giraffe on its back and kicking away all these hyenas. And I was like, Jesus Christ, are they going to get away? And then I'm like, again, not true. How would the baby giraffe have gotten on the giraffe?

• 35:58Speaker 03

  It looks so real.

• 36:00Speaker 02

  It's really annoying. It's ruining, it's ruining, it's ruining what is real, I think.

• 36:05Speaker 03

  Do you remember I shared a photo of a flying mantis with like rose petals as wings? And I shared it with like, isn't nature amazing?

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• 37:51Speaker 04

  If anyone would like to make a dance remix of I Love Balls, please do send it in to [email protected].

• 38:02Speaker 04

  What's not to love?

• 38:03Speaker 02

  Jill, you lazy bastard, why don't you make that? You do stuff like that.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  Speaking of gigs, I sent my mom to Peter Kay in Dublin, right?

• 38:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:13Speaker 02

  Because I was like, I went to Peter Kay and I honestly thought it was the funniest shit ever. And he does that as well. He takes the camera himself and he goes around just like zooming in on random people, but it was the funniest thing ever. And I rang my mom. Anyway.

• 38:25Speaker 03

  She left?

• 38:27Speaker 02

  She was like, yeah, we went back and then we, no, it's not for us. No, it's not for us. He's not funny at all. I was like, oh yeah, mom, he's not funny at all. He sold out three nights of the three arena and he's also has like a residency in the O2. And I thought, you know what you're getting? I was like, I'm not buying her presents anymore. She left a bag of clothes upstairs for us to go through because we all share clothes, as you know, John, you do it with us too. And I went through the bag and this amount of stuff I'd given her as presents, like proper stuff. I said, that's it. She's not getting anything else off me. Not one thing. Greedy.

• 38:56Speaker 03

  But Peter Kay, like I think he is funny, but comedy is so subjective. And I wouldn't have, to be honest, I wouldn't have put Sandra and Peter together now if I was a betting woman. I would not have necessarily collabed them. I wouldn't have aligned them.

• 39:10Speaker 02

  Who would you align her with? Because there's somebody that she's obsessed with that she'd love to go and see.

• 39:14Speaker 03

  Man or woman?

• 39:16Speaker 02

  Man.

• 39:17Speaker 03

  Because I think she'd be a big, I think she'd be, I think she'd be a big Dear Joe Kane fan.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  I'd say she'd love Dear Joe Kane, but she really wants to go see Kevin Bridges as well, which I was quite surprised by because he's, he says so many bad words. My mom and Neil would find that, but she loves him.

• 39:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, but she loves him.

• 39:33Speaker 03

  Ah, yeah. Kevin's everyone's favourite. Everyone loves a bit of Cav. Kevvy B.

• 39:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, she can get her own tickets for that because I'm not getting her anything else. That's it. She's ruined it for herself.

• 39:41Speaker 03

  It's always really disappointing. It's like when you decide to show someone a clip of something because you think it's hilarious. Then you're just, it's too much pressure and you're watching them for their reaction. You're like, are you not thinking it's? They're like, it's fine. It's grand. Yeah, it's good. I don't know. Fine.

• 39:53Speaker 02

  Did you not see that bit though? Did you see the bit? Um, before it gets too old, because this will get old because she's about to go to prison, the mushroom lady, John.

• 40:03Speaker 02

  Oh, well, I've started listening to a podcast about it, which is a bit, I'm a bit late in the day. I came a bit late in the day to the mushroom thing, but the, it's giving me anxiety because it's the same podcast I listened to for the Lucy Leppe trial. So the music is the same. And it's so strange because the music is bringing out this weird, sick feeling in my stomach because of the Lucy Leppe thing was a kind of a lot darker, a lot more sinister case. Listen, the second she put around dinner on a different coloured plate, come on. I mean, you know what I thought about that? I was like, I was like, she has played the long game here, like always being like, oh, just got to get my favourite plate whenever they came over. So like, then they wouldn't have noticed when they did come over and she was using the favourite plate.

• 40:45Speaker 03

  And her kids doing, she was feeding her kids mushrooms for months, doing taste tests with them, going, can you taste the mushrooms in that? Can you taste the mushrooms in that? And what the hell is a dehydrator? The whole thing. I was like, this story stinks.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  Also. She was so bad at it though. Like she was so bad, bringing the dehydrator to the dump and everything's on camera, everything has been called, so they couldn't bring all that stuff out. And like, I mean, lazy.

• 41:11Speaker 03

  Can you imagine? Can you imagine?

• 41:13Speaker 02

  You know it's her first murder, wouldn't you?

• 41:15Speaker 03

  It is her first, yeah. This is her first rodeo, you know? This is her first, clearly. But like, imagine her ex-husband, imagine knowing that he didn't go. And it's like that.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  I know. I'm surprised she still went through with it without him.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Always good to turn down a dinner invitation every now and again. Forget the foul mouth. Sometimes it's survival. Women always poison.

• 41:41Speaker 02

  Do you know what?

• 41:41Speaker 03

  Women poison. Yeah, that's how they do it.

• 41:45Speaker 02

  I saw this thing on this really old granny on Instagram, it wasn't AI, but she was this really old granny with like tight curls and she looked like a really smiley lady. And she poisoned four of her husbands, two of her kids, and one of her grandchildren.

• 42:00Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  It is poisoned, but it's, it's, it's, but I suppose you would think it's the easiest way. And like, I'm not cleaning up any mess.

• 42:08Speaker 03

  That's it. There's a great podcast and it goes through kind of, you know, women in history who murdered. And it's a lot of it's like Victorian time murders, but it's every, when you listen to a few of them, you're like, you know, the way you listen, watch a true crime documentary, when women die, it's the husbands. When men die, they're poisoned. It's women always poisoned. It's a really good podcast. I'd highly recommend if you're into death and history.

• 42:32Speaker 02

  I do like a bit of death podcasts, just because I find it so interesting. Obviously then I can't sleep for days after, but maybe a daytime podcast.

• 42:37Speaker 03

  I sleep like a baby.

• 42:39Speaker 02

  Oh God, I just think being poisoned would be the worst. That, that man who survived then, if he hadn't survived, would they have found out? They must have found, they would have found out if he hadn't survived. Cause she was grand, just walking around. She's like, no, I didn't have anything to do with that. That wasn't me. It's like, mm, it's kind of, it's a bit fishy looking now that you're just here, living your life.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  And I think she was, I think she was blatantly Googling, can I kill my relatives with mushrooms? Like, you know, it was, it was, there was, she really.

• 43:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. She kind of underestimated the legal system completely. And do you want to know, aren't they some weird church? Aren't they some church of something? Something church of the pariahs or something? What are they, Jo?

• 43:18Speaker 02

  Joanne really has it in for the churchies today, doesn't she?

• 43:25Speaker 03

  That's it from us. I'm on tour, FYI.

• 43:28Speaker 02

  I can't wait to go to see you on tour. So there you go. Yeah. I'm coming.

• 43:33Speaker 03

  A communal promo. I love it.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  Jo, we'll go together, Jo. We'll go together. Do you want to come with us?

• 43:38Speaker 03

  I'd like that very much. Plus one then, cause I'm running low.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  Get lost. I'm having, I only deal with plus threes with you. I'm me plus three.

• 43:47Speaker 03

  You can just sit side of stage too. You can just sit in the wings.

• 43:51Speaker 02

  Well, I'm going to go to so many. I'm just going to sit in the back with the tannoy by the end of it.

• 43:56Speaker 03

  That's actually, that camera thing is such a good idea. I wonder what I'd like to do, some sort of Jumbotron thing.

• 44:02Speaker 02

  Oh my God, please do a Jumbotron.

• 44:04Speaker 03

  Doesn't it?

• 44:05Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 44:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  I will bring my fancy man then with me, will I?

• 44:11Speaker 03

  Bring your side chick.

• 44:14Speaker 02

  Just out me and Joe.

• 44:16Speaker 03

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• 44:19Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 44:20Speaker 03

  Okay, bye.

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