Pod Insights My Therapist Ghosted Me MTGM EXTRA! "Last night, I had a dream..." About this episode Joanne has a very delicate topic to bring up, which may cause some shock. But has she got a point? Vogue sort of agrees but feels guilty. What's the answer?! Plus, a steamy dream from a listener and whether to worry about it.
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1:41 Speaker 03 Well, hello. It's my therapist ghosted me. It's myself yet again, always consistently, Joanne McNally, and consistently, my wife and confidante, Vogue Williams, and sporadically, Jo Edgewell.
1:55 Speaker 04 Yo, love's a holiday.
1:56 Speaker 05 That does make it sound like I turn up.
1:57 Speaker 04 Says me.
1:59 Speaker 03 Yeah, you did well, Jo.
2:00 Speaker 04 Well, you do take, you take more time off than we take off now, in fairness.
2:04 Speaker 03 A lot of paternity time, Jo.
2:06 Speaker 04 It is, absolutely right.
2:08 Speaker 03 Don't think we haven't noticed. And not a stitch in you.
2:10 Speaker 04 No.
2:12 Speaker 03 Not a single stitch in you, but a lot of time taken.
2:15 Speaker 04 If I have another baby, if I ever have another baby, I'm going to get on to you and ask you how you wangled that much free time after the child.
2:22 Speaker 05 What was it you took off last time? Forty-eight hours?
2:25 Speaker 03 Not even.
2:27 Speaker 03 We could hear them cutting the umbilical cord live on the podcast.
2:31 Speaker 04 Sorry guys.
2:32 Speaker 03 I'll take that out of the adage, don't worry, keep going.
2:36 Speaker 04 I'll be back in 20, I'm waiting on the placenta.
2:48 Speaker 03 I'd like you both to do something, please, because I would like to discuss it on the podcast. Lena Dunham's new show Too Much with Meg Stalter, have we watched?
2:58 Speaker 04 I started it, yeah.
2:59 Speaker 03 I will caveat this by saying, I am a massive Lena Dunham fan. She could come in here. She could come in here and she could piss on my carpets and I'd hoover it up and decant it later and consume it. I love her. This feels to me like I'm about to say, I don't believe in vaccines. That's how problematic this opinion feels to me. Because I adore her.
3:19 Speaker 04 Doesn't mean you can't have an opinion.
3:22 Speaker 03 It doesn't, but I want to, it's one of the, I think, you know, it's like people who, people who write books. Not every book is going to be amazing. You're going to get a couple of turkeys in there. Careers are long. You can't have a hit, not everything you do is going to be a hit. But I genuinely thought this was going to, I actually went to, I went to a screening of it in town. Kind of like paid to go to this screening of it because I, I thought it was, I was just, I was buzzing to see it. And I'm sorry to say, and Lena, I love you so much.
3:52 Speaker 03 It's, it's, it's, it's, it's not, it's not bad. It's just not grabbing me in the way Lena Dunham's work usually grabs me.
4:03 Speaker 04 I also think that she is incredible. I actually, and I love her and I love all of, anyone that's in that show. It's a great cast. It had all the markings for such a brilliant show. But I watched the first episode on the plane here and I'd only downloaded that show because I was like, I'm going to watch like three apps on the way here. This is going to be amazing. And, and I watched the first episode and I just was like, I nearly didn't get through the first episode. I was like, I actually, it was, it's, it's, it's not great. It's not a great show at all.
4:34 Speaker 03 It's like, there's a slow burn and then there's like no burn. Do you know what I mean?
4:39 Speaker 04 What happened to her?
4:41 Speaker 03 Do you know what I think happened? Because I've been watching and reading as round it as much as I can. And like I say, not everything you got, like, there's so much pressure on her because Girls was such a seminal show. And there's so much pressure on her, but I feel like she got Netflixed. I think all those platforms, all those channels are like begging Lena, being like, please, please, have you anything? Have you anything? Have you anything? And she obviously took a huge break from writing TV and she's been on like kind of several journeys. She says herself of sobriety and all this jazz. And then she obviously moved to the UK and she's after marrying this English musician guy. And this story is based on their relationship. I feel like she came back with, it was, I don't know what, I don't know what, it's just too tame for her.
5:26 Speaker 03 There's no jeopardy, there's no tension there. And also, I'm going to say this, and I don't know what, is this like a casting thing? Because I've no experience, I'm not buying the relationship between Felix and Jessica. Like, they had one date and it wasn't even like a particularly hot date. And then he was saying his friends, he's met someone and I was like, what? There's no.
5:45 Speaker 04 I know, but like even, even the, the burn thing, I was like, wow, how has this made sense? That this has turned into an entire like part of the episode. Okay, we're really going in on it now. We usually, we like giving recommendations and then this is, this is, yeah.
6:01 Speaker 03 I feel like I'm literally questioning whether we landed on planet Earth. Like, I feel like I've turned, I feel like I'm, this is some sort of feminist treason. But I, everyone's talking about the show, we, we like talking about things people are talking about. I just, what, it's something missing. You kind of want to shake it and be like, no, what's, what's going on behind the scenes here? There's more going on here, what's happening?
6:23 Speaker 04 Where's the rest? Where is it? Do you know what show I just love? And I saw you posting about it the other day again. I just, Hacks is like the perfect combination of everything you want in a show. Like, I could just watch Hacks for the rest of my life, every single day and just be, it's like, it feels like Friends to me. You know, when it was Friends, it was always on, you'd go home and you'd just hear the music for Friends. And that was like your day and like Hacks is kind of like that show to me as well. It's just so good.
6:47 Speaker 03 Some shows are very comforting. And actually, too much is also quite comforting, but you're not, you're kind of in the background now while I'm dusting and stuff. And like, this is why I'm so scared to say this, because like, if I met Lena Dunham, I'd like drop to the ground and kiss her feet. And I just, I just hope to God she isn't aware of either of us. I hope she isn't aware of either of us and has never heard of NTGM and isn't one of these like passive women who listen to the public. Because I would die. I would just like to say that I feel in myself, having anything but completely positive things to say about Lena Dunham's work is the female equivalent of, to me, matching with Andrew Tate on Hinge. I feel like a complete asshole. I just, I feel like a complete asshole, but I also, I have to be somewhat honest about it and I don't, I feel like she's being censored or something's missing.
7:32 Speaker 03 It's missing. It's just not enough. There's, it's not too much. It's not enough. We need more, Lena. We need more.
7:37 Speaker 04 I know. It's, it is a disappointing one though. And I always feel bad. I hate, I hate criticizing anything. Like if there's, if I'm reading a book and I don't finish the book, I'm like, I just want to post about the book now because I just, I obviously didn't like the book. So I'm not going to post about it.
7:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
7:51 Speaker 04 I just feel a bit bad, but yeah, I, I did.
7:53 Speaker 03 We don't want to put negative stuff into the, into the, into the ether, but still it is a point of conversation. But also Lena, if you want me to appear in anything that you're writing at the moment, I would love to start.
8:03 Speaker 04 I wish I'd had a role in it myself.
8:05 Speaker 03 Of course. Yeah.
8:08 Speaker 04 I had them all downloaded and I deleted them. But anyway, anyway, I'm sure she'll come out with something that's absolutely brilliant the next time.
8:14 Speaker 03 I'm going to power on. I'm going to power on. Like I say, I feel this is, she's, she's tentatively dipping the toe back into the world of TV writing. And I can feel there is hesitancy or resistance coming from someone, whether it's her or Netflix. I don't know. But I feel it, Lena. I feel, I feel the resistance.
8:33 Speaker 04 Amber will force herself to watch shows and she'll literally be like, oh, I have to go watch that show now. I'm like, no, you don't. No one's paying you to watch it. She's like, but I've started it, so I have to finish it. I'm like, no.
8:44 Speaker 03 There's a loyalty. There's a loyalty to things. Like, you know.
8:47 Speaker 04 I'm going to die at some point in my life. I don't have time to read books that I don't enjoy or to watch TV shows that I don't enjoy. Because then what am I going to do on my deathbed? I'll say, you wasted seven hours watching that show. You could have been doing other stuff. That's what I'll say.
9:03 Speaker 03 I was on to Ross the other night, who does my socials, and I was ranting about that. And he's like, Joanne, why don't you start doing like TV reviews on TikTok? Because I'm too fucking lazy. But it's something to think about because I have a lot of opinions about this shit.
9:15 Speaker 04 Why not? I know, but I know.
9:17 Speaker 03 Why not push them on?
9:18 Speaker 04 Too mean.
9:19 Speaker 03 Push them on unsuspecting people who never asked for them.
9:24 Speaker 04 I'd hate, I would hate a job like that or to be like a restaurant reviewer or something that has to go in and
9:29 Speaker 03 review people's food.
9:30 Speaker 04 Because I just, I would absolutely, like, even if something's bad, like if it's really bad, I'm just, I'm even a bit like,
9:37 Speaker 03 Of course.
9:37 Speaker 04 I kind of feel guilty saying it, but I'm like, that was like.
9:40 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think a review should be kind of a balanced take on, because you can't remove your own bias as well. Like, that's why it annoys me when you've middle aged. When you, when Sex and the City started out, you'd middle aged, older men reviewing Sex and the City. Like, that's not, that's, of course they're going to think it's shit. It's not for them. Not everything's for you. Do you know what I mean?
9:57 Speaker 04 Keep your nose out of it.
9:58 Speaker 03 Keep your fucking nose out of it. But the starring system, I think, is pretty brutal. I don't think you'd like, especially in the Edinburgh, you see like really good comics and they're getting like one star reviews. Like, don't do that to that person.
10:08 Speaker 04 That is so mean.
10:09 Speaker 03 Don't do that to them. Don't piss on them like that.
10:12 Speaker 04 But don't Adam Sandler movies always get really, really badly reviewed? And they're an easy watch and they might not be groundbreaking.
10:19 Speaker 03 I love an easy watch.
10:20 Speaker 04 Yeah, me too.
10:22 Speaker 03 I'm an easy person. Do you know what I mean? It's why I'm not, it's why I'm sitting there watching Adam Sandler and not playing Sudoku.
10:28 Speaker 04 Sudoku. We'll get you on the candy cush. Is it Sudoku or Sudoku?
10:35 Speaker 03 It's none of our business what it is.
10:37 Speaker 04 No, it isn't. I always thought I'd be one of those people that would sit at home and, and like do my crossword and all that. And like, I do sometimes buy The Times on a Sunday, but like, if I'm really honest, I mainly buy it for Style Magazine and I just read Style.
10:50 Speaker 03 I know it's bad. I've given the crossword a bash every, a few times. It's just not for me. Pat's a, Pat's an absolute shark. She's a.
10:58 Speaker 04 Yeah, my mom, my mom has two crossword books in her room. I'm like, oh my God, people buy them. I always wondered who were the purchasers?
11:09 Speaker 04 Did I tell you that I'm a power top? Did I tell you that?
11:13 Speaker 03 We, we, we, ha, no, well, yes, you have, but go on.
11:18 Speaker 04 Well, a lot of, I have a lot of gay friends and they weren't saying this to compliment me, but they very much did. They said that, wow, if you were gay, a gay man, which I think, I definitely was one in a past life, um, if you were a gay man, you'd be a power top. And I said, you know what? You're dead fucking right. But then again, I'd be arsed.
11:36 Speaker 03 Gays telling their female friends that we're power tops is the equivalent of us telling our female friends they've lost weight.
11:42 Speaker 04 Yeah.
11:42 Speaker 03 It's just what they do. It's, it's just what they do. And like, obviously we don't discuss weight anymore, but we're still discussing topping and bottoming. It's still the ultimate compliment to a woman because every woman wants to feel within a group of men that she's considered an alpha. Yeah, exactly. They all tell us we're power tops.
11:58 Speaker 04 I, um-
11:59 Speaker 03 Can you imagine, can you imagine us trying to ride each other? We'd be climbing on top of each other every three seconds. No!
12:03 Speaker 04 No, we've also spoken about this before, Joanne. You and I would lie down and have, have a nap together.
12:08 Speaker 03 I'd have to, I'd have to knock you, I'd have to knock you out to get on top because I'd be like, this fucking bitch with her training.
12:14 Speaker 04 And you wouldn't be able to knock me out because we've spoken about that too. And I'd kick the fucking shit out of you.
12:21 Speaker 03 Why is she laughing like that, Joanne? It's so aggressive.
13:04 Speaker 03 We should throw an old school Hollywood party.
13:06 Speaker 04 Now, what would that entail?
13:09 Speaker 03 Well, From the Studio, which is a show I'm watching at the moment, it means they put mushrooms in the chocolate. Have you seen that clip? That's going around the internet. Seth Rogen, Zoe Kravitz.
13:19 Speaker 04 Yeah.
13:19 Speaker 03 He's written and produced this show called The Studio and it's really, really funny. Have you, do you know it, Joe? You look, you look completely blank. Oh, it's so good.
13:27 Speaker 04 I haven't seen it.
13:28 Speaker 03 It's based on, it's Apple TV. I mean, you haven't paying for, you're not paying for the apples, Joe.
13:34 Speaker 05 No, my free three months ran out and I looked away.
13:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, yeah, yeah, fair.
13:37 Speaker 04 Oh my God, you've just reminded me I need to cancel my Apple Music. I don't even listen to it, but there was just a song, it was an Anya song I couldn't find anywhere else.
13:45 Speaker 03 What?
13:46 Speaker 04 Quite. I couldn't, it was just one. It was an Anya song and it was like fourth down in Anya's greatest hits. And I was like, why isn't it only on Apple Music? And then I was like, fuck it, I'll subscribe for the free three months, but I think they've already got me. You know, they catch you and you're like, damn it, here we go for a year.
14:02 Speaker 03 There's nothing worse. So The Studio, I'm just gonna actually read it out so I don't, so I don't ruin the description.
14:09 Speaker 04 Okay.
14:10 Speaker 03 Matt Rimmick, Seth Rogen, is the newly appointed head of Continental Studios. Desperate for celebrity approval, he and his executive team at the movie studio must juggle corporate demands with creative ambitions as they try to keep movies alive and relevant. It is one of the funniest shows I've watched and they have all these amazing celebrity cameos in it. And it's this really funny kind of behind the scenes look on all the Hollywood film industry. But one of the scenes that's going around, and it was, it's going, it's flying around TikTok, is Seth Rogen saying to Zoe Kravitz, she's chewing on the chocolates and he's like, you know, don't eat too many chocolates. And she's like, how dare you, don't comment on my body and what I do. And he's like, he's like, no, no, no, it's just that there's, and then this other guy comes in and he's, he's screaming, he's like, are you eating the mushroom?
14:52 Speaker 03 Anyway, turns out there's shrooms in the chocolates and then she realizes she's eaten like enough to kind of put a horse down. Anyway, the show is really, really good. Highly recommend, five stars.
15:02 Speaker 04 Good, I need a new show to watch, I haven't watched one. And I'm trying to think of news that I have over here. When did I talk to you last? I feel like, I feel like I spoke to you-
15:09 Speaker 05 Two days ago.
15:10 Speaker 04 Two days ago. I always feel like I've spoke, because I'm always talking to you on something. So I never know when we've done the pod, because like, remember when we went on a break and we had our break? And I was like, I really want to have the break. And then we went to Wimbledon and everyone was like, yeah, great break. But anyway.
15:25 Speaker 03 Well, you are, you are on a holiday per se. Not a lot happens on holidays.
15:32 Speaker 04 Well, do you know what? I have to say, there's been more work than I was anticipating on the holiday and I'm-
15:37 Speaker 03 Well, one must pay for one's holiday.
15:40 Speaker 04 I know, but I don't want to pay on the holiday when I'm on the holiday. The only thing I do, I get up in the morning and I go running, but sometimes I go running with Sven and we were running the other day. And I got those speed shoes that you have. Well, I didn't get them, Svenny got them for me as a gift. And, and so I really feel like I've upped my running. But there's all hills and stuff around here and obviously it's hot and I'm not used to that. Anyway, Svenny, like, he runs slightly ahead of me and then he started like crossing the road. And then I was like, oh, we're crossing the road. And I started following him, only to realise he wasn't crossing the road. He was just going over to loop me and come back around because I'm so slow that he crosses the road and goes back down and then comes back up behind me. So I was there gonna follow him and I'm like, oh, oh, you're just looping me.
16:22 Speaker 03 I know I own a pair of flyaways and a harness and I should know what you're saying, but I have no idea what looping means.
16:29 Speaker 04 Oh, he's looping, like, so he's doing a loop around me to make his run longer because I'm going so slowly.
16:33 Speaker 03 Oh, I understand.
16:36 Speaker 04 So I was there following him and he's just like, oh, where are you going? And I was like, I'm following, are you going back? And he's like, no, I'm just trying to like, give you time.
16:43 Speaker 03 He's trying to create a natural handicap in his performance so that he, you and him will be on the same level, like rocks-
16:49 Speaker 05 Every straight 50 metres you run, he runs 100 metres in a circle.
16:54 Speaker 03 Yes.
16:55 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's exactly what he does.
16:57 Speaker 03 That's, he's trying to like putting rocks in his pocket and be like, no, no, no, no, this is just, I'm just as shit as you. I get it. That's actually quite sweet, I think.
17:05 Speaker 04 No, it's not. Then he starts putting on his headphones when we're like 300 metres from the house because he's gonna go running on his own. And I'm like, can you just do that while I'm not here?
17:16 Speaker 04 I'm typing this ridiculous email to you because I've had one of those dreams. You know the ones. Anyway, it's freaked me out, so I wanted to bring it to your expert ears for some analysis. I'm happily married with two kids and my husband is, let's just be honest, a very fine looking man.
17:33 Speaker 03 Oh.
17:33 Speaker 04 Well done you. Well done. We don't have that much time for canoodling as our younger child is only 13 months old and tends to take up most of my time in the evenings, but I'm very much attracted to my gorgeous husband. Anyway, last night I had a dream and I'm worried about the repercussions. The dream was about Tommy turning.
17:52 Speaker 03 It's the hand tats. We're all having them.
17:55 Speaker 04 I wouldn't say that that's that weird.
17:58 Speaker 03 It is. It's the hand tats. It's the hand tats.
18:01 Speaker 04 Tommy is quite an attractive man and he's funny and he's intelligent.
18:04 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's the hand tats. Sorry now. Yeah, it's the hand tats. If he didn't, if he wasn't rocking those tats, now half of Ireland's having fucking, they're all dreaming about Tommy turning. Anyway, go on. Sorry.
18:15 Speaker 04 Sure. Me and the husband used to watch his show and we went to one of his comedy gigs on one of our rare nights out without the little ones. Anyway, it was a very hot, steamy, passionate sex dream about Tommy.
18:26 Speaker 03 Oh, he sure was a dream and he didn't break in. He's on the road, I heard. He's touring.
18:33 Speaker 04 I woke up feeling hot and bothered and confused. I feel like I can't look at Tommy the same way ever again. Now that his tongue was, I thought that was going to say something else for a second.
18:43 Speaker 03 Wow.
18:43 Speaker 04 Now that his tongue was jammed down my throat and my imagination. Yeah, throat is fine. What do these dreams mean? Are they, why are they so random? What's the weirdest dream you've ever had? Maybe one of you has had the same dream about Tommy turning. Well, do you know what? When I go to sleep tonight, that's all I'm gonna hope for. I'm gonna.
19:00 Speaker 03 Yeah.
19:02 Speaker 04 Who am I?
19:06 Speaker 04 It never works. It never works.
19:07 Speaker 03 You can't plan it.
19:08 Speaker 04 Think about whoever you, no, you can't plan it. You lucky bitch. You lucky ducker.
19:13 Speaker 03 Angel Tommy just chose to visit you that night like the baby Jesus and you just got lucky. And he may never visit you again.
19:22 Speaker 04 So I would write that dream down.
19:24 Speaker 03 He could be, he could be, it's Tommy, he's a bit whimsical. He could be literally celestially floating around Ireland. You wouldn't know him.
19:32 Speaker 03 He's spiritual now, so you just would not know.
19:35 Speaker 04 Is he crystal now? Is he crystal?
19:38 Speaker 03 No, but I think he's gone back to mass, but he says he knows it's not real.
19:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
19:43 Speaker 03 And listen, you could ride worse in your sleep. Do you know what I mean?
19:47 Speaker 04 And I have, and I have in real life too.
19:50 Speaker 03 Exactly. Exactly.
19:53 Speaker 04 I wish they were only dreams, but sometimes I'm like, shush.
19:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, you're like, oh no, that was real.
19:59 Speaker 04 And I did it twice.
20:01 Speaker 03 And Tommy, if you're listening, take that as a win.
20:04 Speaker 04 More cats.
20:05 Speaker 03 Yeah, I'm telling you, if you wouldn't mind crawling up the neck there with something sexy. I'll leave the window open.
20:11 Speaker 04 Just above the brow.
20:12 Speaker 03 Leave the window open for your celestial soul to slip in. Sorry, I can't say that. I know him. That's gross. Sorry, Tommy, you know many.
20:20 Speaker 04 I know. You're actually gonna, you're gonna see him in future. Yeah.
20:24 Speaker 03 Work with him.
20:24 Speaker 05 He's a colleague.
20:25 Speaker 03 He's actually a peer. Yeah.
20:27 Speaker 04 He's gonna be, he's gonna be really uncomfortable when you see him the next time. He's gonna be like, God, what a creep.
20:31 Speaker 03 Tommy, what's the deal with security? It's your good pal, Juan.
20:36 Speaker 04 That pervert again, Juan McNally.
20:39 Speaker 03 Tommy, what's with the taser gun? It's just your good pal, Juan. It's just a podcast. Don't take it so serious.
20:46 Speaker 04 You won't believe what Tommy Tiernan did to me last night. He pepper sprayed me. Really, Juan, why did he do that?
20:57 Speaker 04 On that note, I wish everybody a very enjoyable evening. And with any luck, one of us will dream about Tommy Tiernan.
21:04 Speaker 03 Thank you so much, folk. That was quite sweet.
21:06 Speaker 05 The odds are that someone.
21:07 Speaker 03 Are we allowed to dream? Like, is, what are the rules here? What is he, does he have to consent? I'm on tour, just FYI, the London shows are going. If anyone's interested, there's one show left with tickets, 16th of October. And also Clarny and Caffabar and Dublin.
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