MTGM EXTRA! "The best chapter of my life... Since I kicked him out."

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• 0:02Speaker 00

  This is a Global Production.

• 0:04Speaker 01

  Don't spoil it. And I know, I know.

• 0:06Speaker 02

  I win. I'm unbanished and I come back in. I drive off a Claudia in a convertible and then me and Claudia drive off a cliff like Thelma and Louise.

• 0:22Speaker 02

  Welcome to My Therapist Ghosted Me. It's Wednesday.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  We're excited. I was like, is it Wednesday? I'm meant to be in Ireland. It's Wednesday for you.

• 0:32Speaker 02

  It's Wednesday for the listener. It's 2004 for us. We're in the past, but this goes into the future.

• 0:39Speaker 01

  My camera's not on for some reason, Jo. Is it on now?

• 0:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can see you. You look great. You look lit, as in like by light, not by alcohol. Yeah.

• 0:52Speaker 02

  My God, why is she on?

• 0:55Speaker 01

  I have three sets of lights in front of me.

• 0:59Speaker 01

  Do you know what I was doing? I was like, right, what day do I have a drink this week, thinking like, I'll have to, like, because I'm, you might, I have a glow about me, not just because of the lights, because I'm so happy. I got home. We've moved house into another rental before our new house and I am like a pig in shit waltzing around here. I am so happy. I just love it. I'm just, honestly, I'm so thrilled.

• 1:31Speaker 02

  There's nothing you can't.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  I'm doing two shout outs, two shout outs, right? One Caroline, as always, sorting us out, left, right and centre. Caroline Movers, they work in London as well and they have storage. I'm pretty sure Joanne's massive ghost from the Ghosted Store tour is in storage in London because they're like, she's never going to want to back.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  I will take that ghost back one day when I have a house large enough to fit it and I'm going to have it mounted on the wall.

• 1:57Speaker 01

  I think you forget the size of that ghost. Like, I tried to take two of the, it's, it's like, it's enormous. I tried to take two of the small ghosts to my house in Dublin and I was like, I'll put them somewhere. There was nowhere for, unless you have.

• 2:11Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:12Speaker 01

  Unless you're gonna, give it to, do you know what? Give it to the Royals. They have room for us. They're the only ones that have room. Yeah.

• 2:20Speaker 02

  I'm gonna wait till Harper Beckham is old enough to appreciate us and I'm gonna give it to her.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  My second shout out, who's actually coming over to you, is Hazel from the Home Reset who came.

• 2:32Speaker 02

  Oh, yes, of course.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  And helped sort out our whole gaff and just to be able to come home and like not have a nervous breakdown about moving. I'm just delighted. I'm a very happy person. Okay.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  I'm due, I'm due a Hazel visit soon as well. I think she's gonna declutter me.

• 2:49Speaker 01

  Don't you think I know? Don't you think I know that?

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  Because I was like, how can I tag on to the end?

• 2:54Speaker 02

  I don't need you to know my house is a kip. It's actually not a kip, I will say. There's just a load of stuff that needs to be sorted. I can't even remember what my house looks like at this point, to be honest.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  I am five minutes from your house.

• 3:04Speaker 02

  I'm probably trying to get into the wrong house. I'll be putting the key in the door of all the houses on the road, trying to remember which one's mine.

• 3:10Speaker 03

  Before we go too much further, we ought to reply to the, I think it's now eight to nine thousand messages we've had, and rightly so, asking where that, where that promised bonus extra episode went that was going to come out on Sunday.

• 3:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. Jo, you take that away there.

• 3:28Speaker 03

  So we recorded that on Friday afternoon. It was a tell-all, behind the scenes, all about Joanne's experience on Celebrity Traitors.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  And I had spent ages on the research and the questions and I was finally getting to interview McNally and I was very dusty, hungover, but I was still there, swept away.

• 3:47Speaker 03

  You did awfully well. It was a really good interview. And then it was edited. I edited it as fast as I could and then Boone, our video editor, she edited as well. And we all had it done by about seven o'clock that evening. It was all looking good. It was going to come out on Sunday. And then late on Friday evening, I was bundled roughly into the back of a BBC van.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, they did.

• 4:13Speaker 03

  After they'd beat me about a bit, they told me in no uncertain terms that just about everything that had been spoken about on the podcast was a violation of contracts that had been signed.

• 4:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  And if, if we put it out that they'd, that they'd duff me up even worse. So.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  We'd be taken to the gallows.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  Turns out we can say whatever we want. Just sometimes you're not allowed to. But it was juicy.

• 4:39Speaker 02

  You've got to protect the privacy of the game and that's, I understand that now.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  I haven't seen the final, so, and I'm not being funny. I know it's a long time and there's, well, Joanne's not the final. I wasn't in a rush, I have to say. I love it, but the problem was, we started watching it in my house and there was four people in the room and they were all talking really loudly and I was like, and they were ruining it for me. And you know, when you, like, I couldn't.

• 5:02Speaker 02

  Was this the children?

• 5:03Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 5:07Speaker 02

  Four randos.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  There were guests. There was whiskey. There was gin. There was vodka on the go.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Fine.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  Cider as well. And I was like, these people are getting too loud. And I wasn't even drinking. And I was like, they're gonna ruin it for me. So I actually haven't had the chance to watch it yet. So don't tell me. And Theodore, oh God, you've never seen.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  I'm not in it, so I really wouldn't bother.

• 5:26Speaker 01

  I wasn't, I have to say, I wasn't as pushed because you weren't there. I was like, yeah, she was my favourite contestant. She was my favourite contestant.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  No point. No point.

• 5:37Speaker 01

  So don't spoil it. And I know, I know.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  I win. I'm unbanished and I come back in. Yeah.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  What an unusual twist.

• 5:47Speaker 02

  And I jock everyone and I take the trophy.

• 5:50Speaker 03

  You played a phoenix card. You came back.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I rose from the dead. No, because everyone keeps saying, I keep telling everyone I'm dead. They're like, you're not dead, Joanne, you're banished. I was like, banished, manished, dead, shamed, whatever. I'm not in the final, but I am. I come back. It's great. I come back. Yeah. It's great, actually. It's quite the finale.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  Twist. Yeah. Well, I'm excited to watch. I'm gonna watch it tonight now. I have to be honest as well. It kind of threw me. It was an hour and a half episode and it was gonna be on till half nine. And half nine just a little bit, just a little bit too late. Yeah.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  I drive off a Claudia in a convertible and then me and Claudia drive off a cliff like Thelma and Louise. There you go. That's what happens. See, I need to watch it now.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  Thanks for ruining it. You know, Theodore wanted to dress up as Claudia, but he only told me on the day of Halloween. And I was like, I went to get him a traitor's cloak and I could only get the cloak. And then I was like, that's not really Claudia. Like, I need to get him like boots and a tweed jacket and a hair. So he's gonna dress up as Claudia next year.

• 6:47Speaker 02

  That's so funny.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Joanne, he's gonna be mesmerised by you now. He loved us.

• 6:55Speaker 02

  I can't wait. I can't wait to be adored. Finally. I have to go on the biggest TV show in the, in the UK for both children to finally acknowledge me. Does Gigi any interest in now?

• 7:06Speaker 01

  Too early for her. It was too, just bring her, do you know what? Bring her over to your house and show her your dressing room and then you're hers.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I don't have a lot of heels. I know she likes a clickety-clack, clack, clack. I'm more a loafer gal. Actually, no, I don't wear loafers.

• 7:20Speaker 03

  Hang on, we saw, we saw your big shoes. We've seen your big shoes.

• 7:24Speaker 02

  Oh my God. Sorry now.

• 7:27Speaker 01

  Shoes. I had to zoom in on them.

• 7:30Speaker 02

  They're, they're right here.

• 7:32Speaker 03

  Oh my God.

• 7:33Speaker 01

  An interesting shoe.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  Rick Owens? Rick Owen? Fact check that there, Jo, will you?

• 7:38Speaker 01

  Rick Owens. Yeah, I actually don't know.

• 7:40Speaker 02

  I'm such a fan, but I don't know. These are, I got these, there's a secondhand shop, a secondhand, a secondhand designer shop in America called Second Street, right? Now, you know yourself, there's also like bits of Zara flapping around in there as well, but they have amazing stuff. So every time I find, on my day where I have a bit of time, I'll put Second Street into the maps in my head and, and God forbid, I'd look at any of the local culture. I'm just second, into Second Street. And I, these are, like, they are, I don't know how to describe them. I wore them on stage the other night, wildly inappropriate, but I actually said to the audience, I said, you know the way when you buy something, you want to show your mum? You know that when you're young, you want to put on your clothes and do a lap of the house? I said to the audience, you're my mum. So I just did a lap and I asked them all to take photographs of me in my boots.

• 8:28Speaker 01

  They're a big boot. I would honestly look like an ogre if I put those boots on. I can't wear, I can't wear things like that. And I also can't wear, Amber and I can't wear those, you know, those little nice brogues that everyone's worn. And I've bought two pairs because I convinced myself, certain things me and Amber can't wear. We can't wear the brogues. Not good for the ankles for us. And, and we can't wear skirts to the knee. It's, it's just, our calves, our calves take over our legs. We have to be very careful. Very careful.

• 8:59Speaker 02

  You have strong calves. Calves.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  Gal legs. People used to call me Gal legs.

• 9:06Speaker 03

  For the non-Irish, you should explain what that means.

• 9:10Speaker 01

  Ga is called, it's Gaelic football. So it's, it's similar-ish to football, except you can touch the ball with your hands and you can kick it and you can bounce it. And so it's like, it's like, I suppose it's probably like.

• 9:21Speaker 02

  Amazing explanation.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  Basketball.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  Didn't realise you're a sport, you're a sports pundit.

• 9:30Speaker 01

  I've asked me to go to Oak Park soon.

• 9:34Speaker 02

  On RTI Sports.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  So come here to me. Netflix is happening in three days.

• 9:40Speaker 02

  I know. I'm up. I'm ve- it's re- it's getting very real now and there's so, there's a lot to, there's a lot to be done because for, for, there's like, I can't use any of the music that I use in the show because I don't have the rights. Do you know how much it is to buy? Because I, at this day, we've, we've, we actually have a composer now called Elaine May. He's like creating music for the show because I have to have walk on and walk off music and all this stuff. And there's so much to be done. Um, but I, at one point I was like, how much would it be? Because I, Britney, it finishes on, um, Britney.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  Oh, Britney.

• 10:14Speaker 02

  And I was like, how much would it be just, like, just out of interest to just pay for the song? Guess how much?

• 10:20Speaker 01

  I'm gonna say, I know I'm gonna get in trouble for this.

• 10:25Speaker 02

  Don't ruin it. Don't ruin it now. Just play the game.

• 10:27Speaker 01

  I'm being honest to play it for, on Netflix. So it's going out on Netflix at the end. I'm sorry, but I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say a hundred grand. I'm sorry. Is that too much?

• 10:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's spoilt again there, mate. That's, that's fucked. Never mind.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  But it's going out on Netflix.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  She does this every time.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  No, it's like, it's like when you give your song away to like, like Fontaines gave it to, what's it called? It's like scary programme.

• 10:55Speaker 02

  I actually, do you know what? I actually don't know if it ma- if the Netflix part of it matters. I think it's just.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  Okay, well then I'll change.

• 11:01Speaker 02

  If you wanna buy. Okay, thank you. Yeah.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Fine, okay. I'm gonna say like six grand.

• 11:08Speaker 02

  No, it's a fifty grand, Vogue.

• 11:11Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 11:12Speaker 02

  Now, that's, that's how it's supposed to work.

• 11:16Speaker 03

  Well.

• 11:17Speaker 02

  You should have set a fiver and then built it up and then we would have had a bit of explosion at the reveal at the end.

• 11:22Speaker 01

  Joanne, you know I like to win. So like, I can't, I can't like just try and enjoy a game. I have to win.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  Spenny and I were playing paddle the other day and I swear to God, the two of us fighting with each other because we were playing together. And I was like, would you stop fucking hitting an ointment? And he's like, he's like, Vogue, it's not tennis. Stop loving the, I was like, oh, we had scraps. Oh, she's got new hair. Oh, wow. Gorgeous. Did you get blonde-ed?

• 11:51Speaker 02

  I did a little bit of blonde in. Hadley's, Hadley's, Hadley's Extensions, they did me a great steed. But it was time to get a rejig for the, for the Netflix show. So I have Kira Lambert on site in Philadelphia, putting in the gold fever.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  She's in Philadelphia?

• 12:09Speaker 02

  She's in Philly.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  Is she on the streets of Philadelphia?

• 12:12Speaker 02

  I flew the hair in. Flew it in. Yeah.

• 12:22Speaker 02

  So it's all go at the moment. Very, it's, it's the week, it's the week, it's the, it's D-Day. The day is coming. I'm not worried about the show at all. It's actually just, there's so much to kind of confirm in the run-up to it. Do you know what I mean?

• 12:34Speaker 01

  A lot of decisions, I'd say.

• 12:36Speaker 02

  A lot of decisions and God forbid I would have done, you know yourself, God forbid I would have done it with time on my hands. I'd rather wait till the week of and have 12 panic attacks a day. But that's how we roll. I've Adidas dueling a tracksuit. Yeah, I finally realised, I said, because when I wore the jazzy Adidas top on Jimmy Fallon and then I, the pink tracksuit that I've been carrying around in my suitcase for eight weeks. I was like, are you, are you actually gonna wear that on Netflix? You, you can't, like, you have to up your game. So then I just contacted Adidas. I said, come here, come on, come on. Help a girl out.

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Do you know what I thought was really kind of you? When you said, when I said, I love that top you wore on Jimmy Fallon, you said, you can have it, folk. So I thought that was really kind and you don't need it anymore because you've now got a bejazzled tracksuit. So at least I get it and you're gonna lose it anyway.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  You're taking advantage of my early onset dementia. I know you are because even though I have the memory of a bin bag, there's no way in hell I'm ever parting with that thing.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  I read, I read a comment about you the other day and I laughed my ass off. So.

• 13:42Speaker 02

  Oh, God.

• 13:43Speaker 01

  It was, it was someone talking about your ADHD on a newspaper. I think you were talking about it and somebody.

• 13:48Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 13:49Speaker 01

  Commented underneath, yeah, I could see that the moment she came on screen.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  What was it?

• 13:59Speaker 01

  Your ADHD. I don't know the time.

• 14:01Speaker 02

  That's hilarious. That's hilarious.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  Will we do?

• 14:06Speaker 02

  I'm gonna rat Joe out and say, because the other way we always, he always gives out to us for stuff. You were, we were online before, you were online, um, and Joe forgot that it was a Wednesday app and had no emails ready.

• 14:19Speaker 03

  Luckily, there's an inbox full of several thousand, so.

• 14:22Speaker 02

  I've just ratted it out to the teacher.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  Well, he's wearing a blazer. I feel like he's been on the tear and this is the last place he wants to be today.

• 14:29Speaker 02

  I thought it was a cardigan.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Are you drinking on a Monday?

• 14:33Speaker 03

  It's a jacket. It's not a blazer.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  Well, you look fancy. You look like you've been to the pub. That's all I'm saying.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  I actually, I haven't had a beer in two weeks, actually. So then I've been off the booze and I'm.

• 14:47Speaker 02

  Really? Wow.

• 14:48Speaker 03

  Back to it this weekend, of course.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  I can't do it this weekend. I've looked at my diary. I have to, I just, I don't, I don't think I have time this weekend. Hmm, it's tough to, it's a tough to put it in. To drink. Because I was looking at my diary and I was like, can't be hungover for that. And the last time Bridie was over and I thought I wasn't hungover because I was drinking those hangover, hangover tablets. And then eventually she came over to film with me and I was like, oh God, I have to sit down. You know, and you'd just feel really sick and I have, I had to keep sitting down between shots. I was like, I'm not good. So I don't think she'd appreciate me drinking on a Thursday and then she comes over on a Friday. Anyway, okay, email.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:24Speaker 01

  Okay. Hello. So I had to write in, but please keep me anonymous. I have a very young child with my ex-husband with whom I was with for 12 years. Near the end of our marriage, I discovered he had been cheating on me basically our whole relationship with a series of colleagues on work trips.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  Oh, no.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  Or at basically any other opportunity. I still stayed for a while as I felt like I had no choice. I will never understand it. Like, when I was cheated on, um, like it was so early on in the relationship. It's like, why can't he even be ours? Like, what's the point of being with me? Anyway.

• 16:01Speaker 02

  I know, I know.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  Finally, though, enough was enough. After our separation, I was trying very hard to keep things civil, even kind, between us for the sake of our child. I never yelled. I never called him names. I never broke or hid his stuff, even though he never moved his stuff out and I had to arrange movers 10 months later. He was making the divorce process difficult, needlessly expensive and drawn out. I was obliviously, I know, I was obviously very pissed off. I needed an outlet badly. Fair play to you for not, I would throw an absolute wobbler. At first I was content with putting steaming hot mugs on his favourite, very expensive wood coffee table. Nice. But soon.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  That's a great idea.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  That would really, and to be honest with you, I know that she said it wasn't enough, but like that was, that would break my heart if someone ruined any furniture I loved. I spoke to my friends looking for an idea that wouldn't be traced to me, was legal, he wouldn't sus- suspect, was legal, again, sorry, but would make his life slightly worse. I needed a little fuck you action when all of the mindfulness techniques and other healthy coping, coping mechanisms weren't cutting it.

• 17:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  Okay. A colleague, the ITW manager.

• 17:12Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm, I'm excited.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  I'm so excited.

• 17:16Speaker 02

  What happened?

• 17:18Speaker 01

  My ex is a freelancer, a musician and a very disorganised one, but who requires networking to be successful. He had let his website lapse a number of months prior to separating and I had been bugging about renewing his domain name. She suggested I buy every domain name that is associated with him.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 17:41Speaker 01

  So skip a few days and my best friend was the proud owner of every domain name associated with my ex's name. Both dot com and dot C A, Canadian domain. Now, if he ever wants to have a website, he has to hire a broker and negotiate with my best friend who will make sure it is a long, drawn out and expensive process. Or he will need to have a very long, complicated one. Here's the list. Please don't read it out.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  We can't, we can't read out the list because it's his surname. So we can't read that out.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  Okay. Dot com, dot C A, dot com, dot C A, dot com, dot C A, dot com. Like literally, like there must be, fair. And I wouldn't say that cost you a lot, to be honest with you.

• 18:26Speaker 02

  That is G. What does he do? What did she say he did?

• 18:28Speaker 01

  A musician.

• 18:29Speaker 02

  Why does he need? Oh, oh no.

• 18:32Speaker 01

  Brilliant.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  Imagine having to be like J Macnulty12568.com comedy. Like, do you know what I mean? Imagine not having your own name. That is a stinger. Good for her.

• 18:46Speaker 01

  P S, I've not done anything on the websites. Yeah.

• 18:52Speaker 01

  I've not done anything on the websites, but if he does something truly heinous, my plan is to reroute each of them to a competing musician in the area.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  Give business to my friends and confound everyone involved. My ex has not spoken to or seen our daughter in over a year. Despite, that's terrible, despite giving plenty of opportunities, apparently his life is too crazy right now. And he will when things calm down, but still, I'm doing everything by the book courteous and polite, knowing I have won up to him and his career for the foreseeable future. Uplifting. P.S. I have had the best chapter of my life since I kicked him out. Listeners, word to the wise, don't let him gaslight you. You can truly do better, whether that is being single and free or repartaining at any age. Best, anonymous. That's pretty.

• 19:36Speaker 02

  Love us.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  I love hearing like a good news story like that where someone is able to get their own back because trying to make someone's life difficult for no sake, I just can't bear it. Like just leave people be.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  I've started listening to Strangers by Belle Burden, which was recommended to me, which is a, well, a book. But I'm listening to the audio version where, and it's, I'm, I'm still on the first chapter. Her, and this isn't a spoiler, because it, well, listen, spoiler potentially if you are going to read the book, but this is literally in chapter one. She, she's at home with her husband, it's during Covid. Like, it's a true story. It's obviously written by the wife. And everything she thinks the marriage is like, you know, absolutely fine.

• 20:23Speaker 02

  Clicking along grand, and then she gets a text from a man saying, your husband is having an affair with my wife.

• 20:30Speaker 02

  She confronts her husband, he's like, I'm so sorry, it meant nothing. Please, can we just park it? She's like, look, I don't know, I'm gonna have to see if I can move on. She goes to sleep the next morning, she wakes up, he's fully dressed, he's like, actually, I'm leaving you. I'm leaving you and I want, I want nothing to do with you. I want nothing to do with the children. I'm out.

• 20:50Speaker 02

  And, yeah. So she, and she's like, obviously having a nervous breakdown and she says her therapist, I think it was her therapist, there's a lot, there's a lot of names in the first chapter because she's talking about who supported her.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  Or emailed him and said, because he wouldn't take her calls. He was like, I'll decide when I speak to you, how I speak to you.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  Her therapist emailed him and said, this is the cruelest, you have to speak to her. Like, you have to, you have to do, like, therapy, like, you have to give her an ending. Like, you can't just.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  Her therapist emailed, is it, is this a true story?

• 21:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's written by the wife.

• 21:29Speaker 01

  My god, sorry, what's it called?

• 21:31Speaker 02

  Strangers by Belle.

• 21:35Speaker 01

  Strangers.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  What's her surname? Belle Burden. And, uh, the, I think it's her therapist, that could be wrong, someone emails him and says, this is the cruelest divorce I've ever, like, oh, sorry, the cruelest way of leaving someone I've ever seen. You have to speak to her. She deserves an ending. She deserves, like, you go to therapy together, like, give her an ending. And, um, he then says, no. Ignores that email, goes back to his ex-wife, emails her, the wife, emails her and says, because you allowed that email to be sent. And now I'm not going to speak to you at all and I'm going to continue my affair.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  God, some people are just such pieces of shit. Like, I just don't understand what you get from, like,

• 22:21Speaker 01

  like, being horrible. Like, I went through a divorce and I have to say, we weren't, we weren't horrible to each other. There was just no point. Like, we just, I just think it comes, like, if a relationship ends, it ends. And actually, I saw this, like, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna get too into it, but you remember we made that joke of me saying that I was gonna go to my ex's wedding. Why did my ex invite me to his, his wedding? I then saw, like, people in Ireland, like, a journalist in Ireland asking him about it. And it's like, you know that that's not actually true. And he was actually really nice about it. But I was just literally like, what, you know that that's not how that came across, but like.

• 22:57Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I even think the fact that he was nice about it and like, was just kind of like brushed it off. But like, we don't have any contact or anything like that, but I just don't understand why there needs to be, like, nastiness. Just don't be involved with each other, but just don't be a dick.

• 23:12Speaker 02

  I think, like, I don't think it's an, this, the story that I'm reading at the moment, I don't think that's highly unusual. I think people get to a point, men, it seems to be more, sorry, Jo, that they just, they, they just walk out. They just walk out on their families. The person who recommended the book to me, this happened to her. Her dad walked out on their family and that was it. He was just done and dusted and he's moved on, he's with someone else. And I've always said this, that I always think men won't leave. If men leave, there's usually someone else involved. They don't, it seems to be unusual that they just leave for their own freedom. It's that there's someone else involved, which means they're in love with someone else. And when you're in love with someone else, the person you used to be in love with is just a hindrance to you now.

• 23:56Speaker 02

  And there doesn't seem to be a lot of kindness or generosity to them or to help them cope with what's happening or to guide them or, you know, they're just like, I'm done, sort your shit out. It's not up to me to help you through this.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  I think especially though, if you've got kids. Yeah, but if you've got kids and you're like, I'm just, I'm just, like, my dad, they got divorced back in the day, like, when I was something, seven or something, but he still, every Wednesday, every second weekend, any day he was allowed to take me, he was still there. And I think that, I know, and like, fair play to him. Well, not fair, not fair play to him, it's what should be done, but I just, I never understand that. Like, me and Svenny, we've spoken about that. Not that we're, like, we're not getting divorced, Jesus, don't write about it, joke or otherwise. But like, we have, I have said to him, I was like, if that ever happened between us, like, I'd never make it difficult for you to see the kids. Because what's the point? They're the ones that, that miss out on everything.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  I did, I did tell Sven though, that, um, you, you can't have Joanne and you can't have Alexander. And you can't have my cousin Kellyanne. Yeah, you come with me. Don't you dare go behind my back and see him.

• 25:00Speaker 02

  I'll go with you. Yeah, no, I'll go with you. Because you'll go to a nicer place.

• 25:05Speaker 01

  Oh, God, yeah, yeah. I'll go to a nicer place.

• 25:08Speaker 02

  He's a boy. He doesn't want to be there.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, disgusting. You'll be back to Jay, Jay Clots on the, on the Tell Rail. Now, the only thing is, Jane would probably do it from, Jane would probably do it from, so his place might be nicer than mine.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  Bachelor pad.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  No, I'm going with you and the kids.

• 25:27Speaker 02

  And the 19 nannies you apparently have.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Who did I see, who did I see had 10 nannies? There was somebody and they said, and I was like, fair play to you. 10 nannies. Who was it? Wasn't Kim Kardashian, somebody else?

• 25:40Speaker 02

  That must be like Mariah Carey or something. Like, 10 nannies is like, unless you're the Von Trapps.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Well, Kim Kardashian supposedly has them, but they're on a Rota.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  But I don't know if that's true. 10 nannies would be, wow, I'd like to have a nanny just for me. Imagine.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, I would love us.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  Look, you look at Joe closing his eyes. Yeah.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's the dream, you know?

• 26:05Speaker 03

  I don't mean that way either, talking about cheating men. I don't mean like that, not like that. I just mean someone.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  Look how careful we have to be now. It's so annoying.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  I know.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  Everyone, thank you so much for listening and, uh, Joanne, good. No, I'm seeing you tomorrow, so I'll tell you that tomorrow. Not good luck. Tomorrow I'll tell you good luck.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  Are we seeing, am I seeing you tomorrow?

• 26:26Speaker 03

  You will.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Good news. Now, when you get off this call, we've both got to work on our, our pod topics for tomorrow. So we will see you all on Friday.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  See you all on Friday. Like and subscribe.

• 26:37Speaker 03

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• 26:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, I'm looking forward to reading that, Jo.

• 26:53Speaker 02

  Sorry.

• 26:54Speaker 03

  The first one's already gone out. I exposed stuff.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  It wasn't your penis, Jo, was it?

• 27:00Speaker 03

  Oh, for fuck's sake.

• 27:02Speaker 01

  We warned you about that.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  We can't, we don't need a scandal.

• 27:05Speaker 03

  No, I exposed a message that one of you had sent to me. And I won't say who it was. Only the readers of the newsletter will know who.

• 27:13Speaker 02

  I'm assuming it was, I'm, I assume I'm getting thrown under the bus here.

• 27:17Speaker 03

  Who could say?

• 27:18Speaker 01

  Well, I, I can say it was Joanne.

• 27:22Speaker 02

  How do I subscribe to this newsletter?

• 27:24Speaker 03

  Just through the usual channels. Go to our show page on Global Player or our show page on YouTube.

• 27:30Speaker 02

  Just remember, snitches get stitches, Jo.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, and just email it to us, will you? Because like, I'm not, Joanne's never gonna do that, so.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  Jo, how did you get roped into writing a weekly newsletter for the podcast?

• 27:42Speaker 03

  I'm not sure. I do it, it's a collaborative effort between me, Izzy and Boone, the show team.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  Ah, okay.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  Oh, fantastic. Well, we look forward to reading it.

• 27:53Speaker 03

  Curate it lovingly.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  We look forward to reading it.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  We do.