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0:24 Marielle Segarra? Hey, everybody. It's Marielle. Happy Almost New Year. In this moment, right on the cusp of a new year, a lot of us have started looking at our credit card bills and our bank statements and thinking, oh, boy, I need to get my finances in order. And there are lots of ways to go about that. On this episode of Life Kit, I'm going to share wisdom from experts we've interviewed over the years, specifically on financial habits to leave behind in 2024. Together, we are going to start this new year off right.
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3:22 Marielle Segarra? All right, the first thing we're going to talk about today is shopping. Takeaway one, let's leave behind the habit of mindless buying, shopping without intention or limits. Alicia Berman works in beauty and fashion marketing in New York. She loves shopping, but a year ago, she realized she loved it a little too much. She'd gone into this store in Brooklyn to buy a pair of gloves.
3:45 Speaker 03 I left the store with a $600 winter coat that I just didn't need and couldn't afford. Like, it was a mess. So that was kind of my, like, breaking point.
3:55 Marielle Segarra? So in 2024, Alicia decided to do a no-buy challenge. No-buy has become a movement on social media with millions of people giving it a try. You can do it for 30 days, or for a few months, or for a full year, like Alicia set out to. She made a list of all the things she was not going to buy that year. No new beauty products.
4:15 Speaker 03 I'm not allowed to buy any new perfume because I have so many. No jewelry, no new technology, no home decor, and no bathing suits or beach stuff. These are weird and highly specific to me. The no-buy rules are going to be different for everyone. My area of overconsumption was beauty and fashion.
4:33 Marielle Segarra? And then she also had a yes column, the stuff she was OK spending money on.
4:36 Speaker 03 I am allowed to get dinners with friends and my husband. I do allow fresh cut flowers. I'm allowed to buy books. I'm allowed to buy video games. Basically, anything that enriches my life is going to be in the yes column.
4:48 Marielle Segarra? So why not try a no buy challenge this January? See what it's like to shop from your own closet and work with what you already have. Alicia, by the way, was able to pay down a big chunk of her debt as a result. And this isn't about severe austerity. It's about pausing and deciding how to spend your money in a way that improves your life. Also, it's about using up the stuff you already have. I mean, you paid for it, right?
5:14 Marielle Segarra? Okay, takeaway two. The next habit we're leaving behind this year is lifestyle creep. Lifestyle creep is what happens when you start making more money and then your spending automatically starts creeping up too. Paco de Leon is the author and illustrator of Finance for the People. And she says, you know, someone might pack their lunch most days and bring it to work, but then they get a raise.
5:36 Speaker 04 They feel like a little more coin in their pocket and they feel a little more flush with cash. And they might, you know, start going out to sushi for lunch in the middle of the week.
5:46 Marielle Segarra? This kind of thing can snowball, especially when people think, you know, now that I'm making more money, I need to have more expensive things.
5:52 Speaker 05 So what they do is they immediately look around at the other people making multiple six figures. And they say, oh, this is the level that we're on now. This is the lane that we're in. So we gotta do the things that people in this lane do. I have to get a bigger house. I have to upgrade my home.
6:09 Marielle Segarra? Yanely Espinal is a financial educator at Next Gen Personal Finance. And she hosts a podcast for Marketplace called Financially Inclined.
6:16 Speaker 05 So the money that you just started making more, the excess money that you have, disappears literally right away into thin air because it's going into new financial obligations that are not necessary. They're not needs. Let's be real.
6:33 Marielle Segarra? Again, the point is not to deprive yourself of everything you want, but to be aware of how you're spending and if those habits are working for you. Paco de Leon says we should keep in mind a concept called the hedonic treadmill.
6:46 Speaker 04 Basically, what it states is that, you know, life has its ups and downs, and that affects our level of happiness, but only in the short term. Ultimately, over time, our levels of happiness are going to kind of remain around the same level, regardless of what happens. So I think when you understand that upgrading to a nicer car might feel good, ultimately, in the long run, you're probably going to end up feeling the same.
7:13 Marielle Segarra? So you might be getting a cost of living pay raise at your job in January. Maybe it's 2%. Try automatically pushing that money into a rainy day fund or towards some debt. That way, you're not as tempted by that weekly sushi takeout or whatever it is that's making that extra cash float away.
7:32 Marielle Segarra? OK, takeaway three. Our next habit to leave behind this year is paying for a bunch of subscriptions that you don't use or don't even realize you have. First thing you're going to do is check your credit card statements, your bank statements, your subscriptions tab on services like Google and Apple. Make a list of what you are currently paying for, when each one expires or renews, and then figure out what you use. If you don't use a service at all and don't expect to, that's easy. Get rid of it. Then there's the stuff that you sometimes use or, you know, you use, but maybe you don't need the premium version. This comes up a lot with streaming services. Eric Deggans is a TV critic and media analyst for NPR.
8:13 Speaker 06 One of the things that I suggest people do is come up with a strategy before they actually say, I want this streaming service or I don't want that one. Because once you figure out what you like as a consumer and what you think is most important, it will help you make those decisions.
8:29 Marielle Segarra? Eric suggests that you make a TV diary.
8:32 Speaker 06 Take a week, take two weeks, even a month, and just monitor what you watch and what you like. Don't change your habits at all. And then at the end of that month or that week, I guarantee you, you will be surprised by where you spend your time and what you're actually watching. And that can help you make a decision. So, you know, say you discover, wow, you're spending a lot of time on YouTube than you thought. Well, then, maybe you want to get the ad-free versions of YouTube. And you're OK with a subscription to Netflix where you have ads or you're OK with genociding Netflix.
9:08 Marielle Segarra? Netflix, by the way, is one of NPR's sponsors. You may also be able to get access to certain streaming services through your cable TV, broadband, or wireless provider.
9:17 Speaker 06 Like, T-Mobile has a level of 5G service where you can have access to Netflix and MLB TV. You know, they say it's on them, you know, so you're not paying extra for that access. So if you're already using that wireless provider, or if you're trying to decide, you know, whether you're going to go with a wireless provider, that might be something that would shade your decision because you know you'll have access to these channels that you also care about.
9:46 Marielle Segarra? One other tip: remember, if you sign up for a free trial and you want to cancel it, set a reminder so you actually follow through. You don't want to end up in a situation where you're paying monthly for something you don't use. When it comes to other subscriptions and services, look into lowering your bills. Kristin Wong is a journalist who covers personal finance.
10:05 Speaker 07 People don't realize you can haggle your bills. If you have cable and your cable bill is too high, if you have internet, your internet bill is too high, and you haven't called in the past six months to negotiate a better rate, it's worth just, you know, taking an hour out of your Saturday and listing all of your bill providers and going through each one and giving them a call and saying, "Hey, can I get a lower rate on this?" It's worth asking. It doesn't take much of your time. And then the good news about that is you continue to save money every month.
10:32 Marielle Segarra? All right, it's time for Takeaway Four. Our next habit to leave behind: ignoring your credit card debt. Look, debt is a huge problem for a lot of Americans, and often it happens because of an unexpected emergency expense: an illness, a broken-down car. Our systems are broken, and I am not going to shame anybody here. But I am going to tell you about how you can use your credit cards to your advantage while paying the least interest possible. First of all, if you have credit card debt and you're not sure how you're going to pay it off, allow me to introduce you to a maneuver called the balance transfer. That's when you roll over your debt to another credit card with a 0% interest rate for some period of time. Could be a year, a year and a half, so that you're just paying the amount you already
11:17 Marielle Segarra? owe and not any additional interest. John Kiernan is the Senior Personal Finance Editor at Wallet Hub.
11:23 Speaker 04 If you do it right, you can take the amount of your current balance that you can't pay, reduce the interest rate to zero, so you're only paying the principal, and you can pay that off much quicker and much less of an expense.
11:36 Marielle Segarra? These cards will usually charge a one-time balance transfer fee of 3% to 5% of the total amount you're transferring. But this is still a good deal if you pay off the debt within the 0% interest period. One thing to note about these cards, though, is you will have to make the minimum payments throughout that period. Another tip, if you want to avoid interest charges, you need to pay what's called the statement balance by your due date every month. You'll see that online and also on the paper or PDF statements you get from your credit card issuer. The statement balance is a readout of what you spent in a one-month period at the time your billing cycle closed. If you don't pay your full statement balance every month at the due date...
12:14 Speaker 04 You're going to start accruing daily interest charges, which will get very, very expensive if you don't pay them off quickly enough.
12:21 Marielle Segarra? So the way to game the credit card system is to buy stuff, get the rewards or points your card offers, and then pay your bill, which is your statement balance, off in full every month.
12:32 Speaker 04 That's the ideal situation. You're not going to have to pay interest if you can pay it in full every month, and you're going to earn lots of rewards.
12:39 Marielle Segarra? A couple other tips here. Set up automatic payments, so you don't accidentally miss one. But if you do miss a payment, call the credit card company and ask them to cut you some slack. They'll often waive fees and interest if it's your first time.
12:53 Speaker 04 They're not going to do it every month, but if you've been a good customer, they're more willing to cut you a break than a lot of people realize. There's a lot of competition among credit cards and banking, so they know they have
13:03 Marielle Segarra? You have other options. John says you can also ask the credit card company to change your payment due date to a time of the month that's more convenient, like right after you get paid.
13:15 Marielle Segarra? All right, takeaway five, our last habit to leave behind this year, forgetting to negotiate. Negotiation isn't just for job offers. You can use it throughout your life. Joan Moon is the founder of Moon Negotiation, a negotiation and career coaching firm. She's also the head of negotiation coaching at the Harvard Kennedy School. And she says one strategy you can use is the win-win.
13:37 Speaker 05 A win-win is when you talk about how you and I are both going to benefit from the solution.
13:45 Marielle Segarra? You may have heard this idea in passing, but think about how you can actually put it into use. Moon gave me an example. She was on a help call with customer service recently because she was having problems with her phone.
13:55 Speaker 05 I called customer service and you said, you know, you told me to do this thing and that if I did that, the situation would be fixed. The new customer service rep I was talking to said, wow, you know, we don't have any record of us telling you that we told you to do that. And I was incredibly upset. And so I said, okay, Joan, you know, the research on this. Like, let's utilize this win-win framing strategy. And so I redirected the conversation, saying, listen, I want to remain a longtime satisfied customer at this company. I've been with you for 10 years and I would like to keep it for another 10 years.
14:30 Marielle Segarra? So what she was doing was speaking to their interests and to hers. They both wanted to benefit from this relationship.
14:36 Speaker 05 And with this, we were able to focus on solutions instead of focusing on the past and whether or not they told me that. Because that was not going to be a productive conversation.
14:47 Marielle Segarra? You can also use negotiation strategies with your friends and family. Let's say you have roommates and you're getting annoyed because they're not cleaning up as much as you'd like. She suggests a strategy called the menu of options.
14:58 Speaker 05 So what I would recommend is come up with three different options. Let's say maybe we come up with a different cleaning schedule that is a little bit more accommodating of our lifestyles. Or maybe we change the breakdown of responsibilities within the home.
15:14 Marielle Segarra? Or maybe we look up prices of housekeeping services. When you present three different options, it's less of a standoff and it signals to the other person a collaborative tone, like, let's solve this problem together. One thing a lot of people don't realize they can negotiate: medical bills. I always tell people, the numbers are fake. They don't matter. Like, it can always be lowered. Jared Walker is the founder of Dollar For, a national nonprofit that helps people eliminate their medical bills. He says while these bills may seem urgent, especially when they say "due upon receipt" in all caps, you actually have a lot of time before they're sent to collections or they affect your credit. There is no, like, sense of urgency.
15:58 Marielle Segarra? You have to pay this now. You have time. You can take a deep breath, get a plan, and go for it. So if you get a medical bill, the first thing Jared suggests is seeing if you qualify for financial assistance, also called charity care, based on your income. We have an entire episode on this topic, so check that out to learn more. If you don't qualify for that income-based assistance, Jared says you should ask the hospital or doctor's office for an itemized bill listing all the procedures and medications they're charging you for alongside their codes. And you can look up what those are and see if that actually happened. Because a lot of times, you'll get a bill and it'll say, oh, you got this scan, and it never actually happened. If that's the case, call the billing office and let them know. And even if your bill is technically correct,
16:42 Marielle Segarra? like, they say they gave you two ibuprofen, and that's true, but they charged you a ridiculous amount for those pills, Jared says you can call them on that. Tell them when a charge is unreasonable. And he says you can also call the hospital or doctor's office and ask... What's the settlement amount? Like, what will you take right now if I can close out this account? Typically, we can get 30% to 50% off just by asking that. If I pay you right now, what can I get lowered off this bill? Do you recommend that rather than being like, I have $500, will you close it? Oh, no, never shake your hand. I would just say, hey, what's the settlement amount? And then see what they'll offer. But they're not going to offer you the...
17:25 Speaker 04 The lowest amount, right? It's a whole game. And even then, like all, if it's not a number that I like, I'll just say, OK, talk to you later. And then hang up, call the next day and see if the next person. Like, I have called three days in a row, talked to a different person, got three different numbers.
17:41 Marielle Segarra? And look, all of this is exhausting, especially if you're still healing from whatever sent you to a doctor. Consider letting a friend or family member help. And just know that this probably won't be solved instantly.
17:53 Speaker 04 I tell people, like, yeah, you have to be persistent and you have to have grit and you have to like get after it. But also, it's like, you just gotta buckle up. Like, it's kind of a battle and it's brutal. And that's why, again, like, if you're not in that space, like, get an advocate, get somebody that can do it on your behalf. And there's no shame in that.
18:13 Marielle Segarra? One last tip here after you've negotiated. If you can't pay your bill all at once, ask the medical billing office to put you on an interest-free payment plan. We're not talking about opening a credit card with the hospital or billing office. Just negotiate a payment plan directly with them.
18:30 Marielle Segarra? All right, time for a recap. The first habit we're leaving behind this year is mindless buying. Take a look at what you already have and consider taking a break on purchasing more. The second habit we're leaving behind in 2025 is falling into the trap of lifestyle creep. Just because you might be making more money or just because you've come into a sum of money doesn't mean you have to start spending more. The third habit we're leaving behind is holding on to unnecessary subscriptions. Go through your expenses and see if you're paying for services you don't use. The fourth habit we're leaving behind is letting your credit card debt get out of hand. Debt can be intimidating, but it's important to understand the terms of your credit cards and try to avoid racking up interest charges when you can.
19:14 Marielle Segarra? And the final habit we're leaving behind this year is forgetting to negotiate. You can use negotiation to your advantage in all aspects of your life to try to get the best deal possible.
19:26 Marielle Segarra? For more Life Kit, check out our other episodes. There's one about how to create a financial self-care routine and another on credit card basics. You can find those at npr.org/lifekit. And if you love Life Kit and want even more, subscribe to our newsletter at npr.org/lifekitnewsletter. Also, we love hearing from you, so if you have episode ideas or feedback you want to share, email us at [email protected] . This episode of Life Kit was produced by Bria Suggs. Our visuals editor is Beck Harlan, and our digital editor is Malika Gharib. Megan Cain is our supervising editor, and Beth Donovan is our executive producer. Our production team also includes Andy Tagle, Claire Marie Schneider, Margaret Serino, and Sylvie Douglas.
20:08 Marielle Segarra? Engineering support comes from Carly Strange and David Greenberg. I'm Marielle Segarra. Thanks for listening.
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