Episode 667: Anton LaVey Part II - Paint It Black

This week, the boys return to Anton LaVey as the former circus calliope player paints his house black and transforms himself into San Francisco’s spookiest local celebrity. With big cats, Black Masses, Baphomet, Jayne Mansfield, and a whole lot of carefully crafted mythmaking, LaVey builds the foundation for what would become his own uniquely American version of Satanism.

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  There's no place to escape to. This is the last. On the left.

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  That's when the cannibalism started.

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  I'm ready.

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  Yes.

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  All right, all right, Marcus, you've brought a special instrument in that we have to exhibit for the audience.

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  Yeah, this is my stylophone theremin. The antenna's a little wonky on it, so I'm just gonna use the trigger on it.

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  Now, just remember, before you listen to the sounds, these sounds are so powerful, so esoteric, that they in fact may drive you insane. So this is your warning. If you can't handle the theremin, you shut off the radio right now.

• 1:46Speaker 05

  I mean, they can't handle it because it's, you know, weird.

• 1:54Speaker 06

  I like the theremin because it's the only instrument you can play with your asshole.

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  Someone help me with my pants.

• 2:06Speaker 04

  Oh no, I am running out of blood pressure medication.

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  Oh, what a horrible set of circumstances. Where is my heroin? Where is my cake? Where is my career? You are not fit to smell my shit.

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  This is like, I look at the theremin as the reason like people don't use an orchestra to score a film.

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  You don't need it, you don't need it at all.

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  Don't need to have it, dude.

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  Welcome to the last podcast on the left, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Marcus Parks, badly playing the theremin. Here with me is Henry Zebrowski. The man who's just sitting there letting his tongue hang out of his mouth. Like half his brain isn't working.

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  It isn't. It isn't, it's me, it's Henry Zebrowski. And I love the theremin because it sounds like a ghost having an orgasm.

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  Uh, but also Anton LaVey is the only unionized theremin player that was ever in any of these, all of these musician unions. He was the only ever full-on union man theremin player.

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  A true con man.

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  Yeah.

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  The theremin is one of the most difficult instruments to play in existence.

• 3:29Speaker 06

  What are you talking about?

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  You should listen to, because the-

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  That was great what you just did.

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  Dude, listen to real theremin, there's some real-

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  Listen to Clara Rockmore.

• 3:37Speaker 06

  Clara Rockmore?

• 3:38Speaker 05

  Listen to Clara Rockmore, it will blow your fucking mind out of the back of your skull.

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  Alright.

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  And we have, and we have the man who's getting into theremin music over the next week, it's Ed Larson.

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  Oh, how's everyone doing? You know, I had a question. Is this 666 or 667?

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  This is 667.

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  667?

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  Yeah.

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  Okay, oh yes, oh yeah, but the thing.

• 3:59Speaker 04

  Well, 67 is the thing. If this was episode 67, we would do this. But it's not episode 67, it's 667, which is a number most zoomers can't count to.

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  And also, we're not Catholic. We don't do six, sevens. The Pope.

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  Oh, I don't even, I'm just even, also, straight up. Pope is beginning the Butlerian Jihad.

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  Huh.

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  The Dune.

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  I don't know what that means.

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  Anti-robot, like, whole thing. It's written by, if you remember, he wrote this anti-AI thing. It started in Dune with the Catholics.

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  We're not here to talk about Dune.

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  Thank you, Marcus.

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  This is Anton LaVey, part two.

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  Yeah, one nerdy thing at a time, Henry.

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  Hey, I just wanna make sure.

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  Please.

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  If you're listening to this, fucking is impossible.

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  So when we last left Anton LaVey, the year was 1947. According to the tale, LaVey spun for himself. He had become inspired after reading William Gresham's classic Carney novel, Nightmare Alley. And instead of spending a life in the chains of the mundane world, LaVey had decided to bet everything on a life in the circus.

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  Fuck yeah.

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  Supposedly, Anton joined the Clyde Beatty Circus in the spring of 1947, where he was given the responsibility of feeding and watering the circus's big cats as a roustabout and so-called cage boy at the age of seventeen. Roustabout, by the way, is the dudes who set up and tear down the carnival at each town.

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  Oh, okay. And you know, if you don't water those big cats, they, they don't grow.

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  I hate you, man. Fucking.

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  They just stay small cats.

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  So angry. I was angry you've been thinking about it.

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  Well, LaVey claimed that the head of the circus personally taught him how to use the whip, the stick, the chair, and the revolver to get the big cats to perform. And before long, Anton said he was handling eight lions and four Bengal tigers in a cage all at once, which is almost certainly a massive exaggeration, to say the very least. But considering Anton LaVey's experience with big cats later on in his life, which will absolutely be discussed later, it seems like Anton did at some point work with big cats enough to get a feel for how to train and control them. He was not a Count Dante, in other words. claim that in order to better work with the lions and tigers, he ate his food with them and mimicked their growling noises as they ate.

• 6:28Speaker 04

  Hey, hey, leave me alone. This is my soup. You're not supposed to be eating soup, tiger. Okay, this is my soup. Chicken noodle soup. I don't know how you got a taste for this. Leave me alone.

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  Meow, shut up. Meow.

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  Meow, hey, meow, hey, listen, you got any bread to dip in this soup? Oh, well, then I guess we're not at lunch together, are we?

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  Said he even slept in their cages. Said he'd get clawed or knocked to the ground here and there, but these incidents were chalked up as, quote, unintentional mishaps.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  For those of you that are following long and are also potential students of the esoteric, I would submit to you to go and read Michael Aquino's two book long, personally published, his own version biography of the Church of Satan and the whole thing because Michael Aquino-

• 7:10Speaker 06

  More fucking homework?

• 7:12Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, buddy. Because one book's the book and the one, the other second book is the book to reference you gotta read when you're reading the first book. Now, it's important to remember Michael Aquino-

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  So, so many footnotes that he had to do his second volume just to hold the footnote.

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  Of just amendments.

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  Fucking infuriating.

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  For those of you that don't know, Michael Aquino is the Eddie Munster looking man that would eventually spin off from the Church of Satan. He was Anton LaVey's right-hand man, as we'll get into more in the next episode. But he wrote in the Church of Satan, he took everything that he could to essentially roast Anton LaVey from the inside out because Michael Aquino, if you do read any of his stuff, he works for the government, he worked in the CIA, he did psy-ops, he's a very crazy looking guy, but he's also a complete and utter dweeb.

• 8:00Speaker 06

  How do you even grow your eyebrows like that?

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  Practice.

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  He made his eyebrows more thorns. So, Michael Aquino wrote all this book and he heavily debunks all of Anton LaVey's claims in the book. Because he's so bitter because Anton LaVey is the Bugs Bunny to his Daffy Duck. And as he's writing this whole book, he's all like, Anton LaVey, he lied about going to the circus. And he definitely didn't affect Michael Monroe. And it's like, yeah, buddy. We know Anton LaVey even said it's a lie.

• 8:30Speaker 05

  No.

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  You constantly going like, and there's just no possible way. He was at the circus. Because if you look at the rules of the circus- That happened at the time. You don't see Tony LeVey's theme in there, do you? I would like to know. And then- And you're like, "Bro, you've lost the whole fucking point."

• 8:45Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, one thing we do know-

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  Good Daffy Duck. He really captured his essence.

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  It is him!

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  It's good. Well, one thing we do know that Anton LeVey did in the circus, he did learn how to become a master of one of the most powerful and legendary of all organs, quite possibly the hottest pipes in all existence.

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  Oh, shit.

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  Well, that organ.

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  Burn the lips.

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  Well, at the circus, Anton LeVey became a master of the instrument most associated with the circus, the mighty calliope.

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  Yeah.

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  Now, calliopes, as Anton LeVey played them, were steam-powered organs that used train whistles for their pipes, which made calliopes so painfully loud that even the smallest of calliopes could be heard from miles away.

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  Even the smallest, yeah. You know, the elephants love it.

• 9:37Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. All the animals do. The horses, the lions, the tigers, they love being blasted in the face with loud noises and hot steam.

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  Here's an example of a calliope from my favorite calliope album, Big Top Circus Calliope Played Out of Doors, Volume One, by Paul Ekins.

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  Oh, yeah.

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  Doesn't that make you feel good?

• 10:01Speaker 04

  No, it does. It does. It just sort of feels like the general noise in my head at all times. Kind of feels like me desperately trying to do my taxes.

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  Any moment of silence I have is just-

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  When I hear music like this, I forget that law exists.

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  Yeah, I just want to swing in a hand.

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  Get out of my way, kid. Get out of my way, kid.

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  God, I love it so much. I love calliope music.

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  I love that it's your first favorite, that's your favorite calliope album, because mine is getting gaped to calliope by gay jingles.

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  You know, they turn the guy into a calliope dude.

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  The Calliope player for the circus that had taken in the young Anton LaVey, he was reportedly, I mean, they say he was an alcoholic. I think most Calliope players are alcoholics.

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  Most circus people from this time period are alcoholics.

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  Reportedly, this guy leaned on the keys more than he actually played them, which also sounds awful, just to do.

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  In one version of the story, LaVey said that one day the Calliope player was simply too drunk to play, and Anton stepped in. In another, far more satanic version of the story, Anton claimed that he was so hell-bent on getting behind the Calliope that he cursed the circus's alcoholic Calliope player, who fell ill a few days later. And that's also, that's gonna be a theme you'll see amongst Anton LaVey, is him saying, "Yes, I cursed him, and then everything fell apart." It's like, no, mostly it's just people who already had a lot of problems.

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  Yeah.

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  And then, life just sort of took care of it for him.

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  So, bad's gonna happen to you. Like, that's all he did. It's because he'll look, like, I get it, because, like, we all want this. Like, I do think that every time he talks like this, remember, he's serving a fantasy for you to fulfill. Everybody wants to hear that you can go, "I cursed you." And then you can just move on and do all this stuff. He even knows, Anton LaVey himself knows, how detrimental curses are to your own personal health. So, a lot of the times he talks about this, I always say, it's, there's always the tongue-in-cheek thing.

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  Sure.

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  Yeah.

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  There's always a little, like, "I cursed you."

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  He became a Calliope player the same way I became a chef. You just show up to work and don't be the guy on heroin.

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  Yep.

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  Welcome to America, you're hired.

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  Well, Anton stepped in, played a rousing version of the William Tell Overture, and the alcoholic player was put on permanent sabbatical. Anton LaVey was now a performer. So, after he was elevated to the resident Calliope player at the Clyde Beatty Circus, he changed his name from Tony Levy to Anton Zandor LaVey, after his great uncle. As a performer, he came to be known as the Great Zandor. And this is a clip of him, years later, playing a synthesizer, mimicking a Calliope.

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  Cool.

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  This is me just trying to just desperately put together the TV stand. I'm like going through the forms. This is me looking at Ikea forms. And Ikea plans.

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  Thunder blazes, thunder blazes, thunder blazes, thunder.

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  It's my fucking keys.

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  I'm really, I'm actually starting to like him now.

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  Yeah, he's fun.

• 13:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's really fun. Yeah, that's part of his like big top medley. It goes on for a good four or five minutes.

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  Oh, I was hoping forty.

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  He has a whole album of this shit, dude.

• 13:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, I do have an Anton LaVey album in which he plays the organ throughout. It's a really fun album. It's great. It's part of the organ section in my record collection, which is ample.

• 13:52Speaker 04

  Wow, he loves organs.

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  Yeah, love them hot pipes. Now, Anton LaVey said that by playing live music, he learned how to affect the moods of not just the audience at the circus, but also the moods of the big cats, the elephants, and the human performers. It was said that LaVey had an unusual ability to add special life to the circus performer's acts with his own inimitable style of calliope playing. But after traveling through much of the American West with the Clyde Beatty Circus, Anton settled down in Long Beach, California at the end of 1947 for a regular gig at the Pike Amusement Park. And through his carny connections, he joined various traveling shows for small tours up and down the West Coast.

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  During those days, LaVey met legendary sideshow performers like the three-legged Francesco Lantini.

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  Francesco Lantini?

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  And the two-faced Bill Dirks.

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  Bill Dirks? You know, I'm looking at this for me.

• 14:50Speaker 05

  These guys are great. I love Bill Dirks.

• 14:52Speaker 04

  His little third leg just kind of comes out of his butt.

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  A lot of that's really, I mean, when they say like three-legged performers, the posters that they painted were beautiful. I have a whole book of them. They're fucking great. All those old sideshow posters that are just so massive. But they definitely do a lot of heavy lifting on the imagination. It's usually when you... Walked into the tent, it really was just kinda like a weird.

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  Thing that's.

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  Third appendage and usually and that's the thing is that it was actually so disappointing some that usually the sideshow performers would also have like a secondary act.

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  Oh, yeah, they would be doing a thing.

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  Yeah, you'd walk in and they wouldn't just be like, oh, you know, here's a couple of conjoined twins. They'd always be like, oh, here's two conjoined twins who also know how to play the fiddle and sing.

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  Yeah, of course, because that's a show. That's your show.

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  Yeah.

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  And like, we just watched the Elephant Man last night and I cried watching it. God, I fucking love that movie.

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  Yeah.

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  We just forgot that was the whole thing. The guy ran him.

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  Anderson story.

• 15:43Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. And it's about him searching for pants. It's four and a half hours long. They go to Macy's, JCPenney's, Burlington Coat Factory. But the Elephant Man, that was the whole thing is that he didn't have to because of just how he was the only one that wasn't underwhelming.

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  No.

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  He was the closer.

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  Yeah, the Elephant Man was, yeah, good old, good old Joseph Merrick. But Bill Dirks. I've never experienced the love of a woman. It's the sad, it's the saddest death of all.

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  It really is.

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  Yeah. Is it, do you know how the Elephant Man died?

• 16:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, I watched the Bradley Cooper stage version. That was fucking awful.

• 16:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, so he died by the, was that the reviews after the fact?

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  I was so close. I literally went, ah, at one point, and I've like covered my mouth.

• 16:34Speaker 05

  Oh, live theater, no. Well, Bill Dirks, he actually just had a severe cleft palate that went all the way up to splitting his nose in two. But to give the full two-faced illusion, he was known as the Two-Faced Man, he would paint a third eye on his forehead to sell the act fully.

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  That's fucking awesome. It's like, I'm not enough. Yeah, I'm talking about lack of confidence.

• 16:59Speaker 06

  Trust me, buddy, you're ugly.

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  Yes. LaVey got to know a particular kind of performer calling himself the Human Ostrich. I love this act. The Human Ostrich had the ability to eat and regurgitate almost any object at will. Usually, objects made of metal or glass, because otherwise you're just watching a guy throw up.

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  Yeah.

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  Although there were some regurgitators who were massively popular and really talented. There was one guy who would swallow and eat like a bunch of fish. And then he would regurgitate through a hoop into a fishbowl.

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  That's awesome. Again, that's a show.

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  Yeah, fish, fish died, but.

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  Except for the fish.

• 17:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, fish don't count.

• 17:36Speaker 05

  Well, human ostriches were so named because real ostriches ate rocks to help with digestion. And even besides that, I'm definitely gonna see anyone who bills themselves as a human ostrich just to see what the fuck it is.

• 17:49Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Better be tall. I mean, that's what they did with the Elephant Man. You just gotta give them a fun name. Yeah, just pick an animal. Yeah. Especially if it kinda looks like it. That's awesome.

• 17:58Speaker 05

  Yeah. But out of all the sideshow acts that Anton LaVey got to know, he paid the most attention to the so-called mitt camp at the carnival, where fortune tellers read palms. Like, "Give me a mitt. I'm gonna read your fortune." That's why they would call it a mitt camp. I actually saw this term in a recent carnival movie that I watched called She Freak. Fucking amazing. It's like, sort of a retelling of Todd Browning's Freaks, but yeah, they would say, "Dude, I got off of vinegar syndrome." It's fucking great. Yeah, I'll lend it to you. But alongside the fortune tellers were the mentalists, who cold-read unsuspecting customers to see how much money they could bilk out of them. And this Anton LaVey said is where he truly watched and learned.

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  But Anton LaVey was also all about style, and he, like any cultural figure worth their snuff, went through many iterations before finally settling on the Mephistopheles core look that made him famous. In The Circus, LaVey modeled himself after film noir gangsters, who wore wide-lapelled, big-shouldered suits, pocket squares, Panama hats, and of course, immaculately landscaped facial hair. This seems to be among the first instances of Anton LaVey truly leaning in to playing a sort of villain, or at least appearing to be a villain. And this was certainly something that LaVey would later use while creating The Church of Satan. But besides helping him develop his villain persona,

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  The Circus also reinforced LaVey's attitude of hypocrisy concerning Christianity. He said that he would see men lusting after women at the carnival on Saturday nights as he played Calliope. But when Anton LaVey went in to play Oregon at the church services at the tent revival the next morning, those same lusty men would be in the pews. Hypocrisy?

• 19:44Speaker 04

  And that is- The key to what really the Church of Satan is all about. It's not really about, we keep talking about it. It's really an anti hypocrisy stance.

• 19:56Speaker 05

  It's about being true to yourself. You know, it's like if you're gonna go out, it's like, it's basically like, make a choice. Like either you're gonna go out and, you know, lust after women on Saturday night with carvals. That's totally cool. That's fine. If you want to do, you know, the church on Sunday and be a pious individual, that's totally fine too. But don't try to fucking do both.

• 20:14Speaker 04

  Well, he did both.

• 20:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. A hypocrite.

• 20:18Speaker 04

  But he also understood.

• 20:20Speaker 06

  He was getting a paycheck.

• 20:21Speaker 04

  But he got a paycheck.

• 20:22Speaker 05

  It was a job.

• 20:23Speaker 04

  He also understood, like there is, I do think that this is the core to really try to understand of all of this. Is that if this is as deep as it really was supposed to go for Anton LaVey. Like this was the beginnings of a, the idea of we're setting ourselves free. We're trying to get out of all of this stuff. We're trying to, because how many times have we seen the issue be? You're something that you're not.

• 20:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:45Speaker 04

  And so you are showing up every day. Why is it such a common thing now that we especially now that we're seeing? That the guy that's anti, doing anti-trans laws is more likely than not using trans sex workers. It's like, that's the thing now. Like it's, it's like the way to be. So this is, he kind of, uh, broadcast that early on.

• 21:05Speaker 05

  Very much so. Yeah. I mean, it's, and that's, it's also a Crowleyan idea. You know, like Aleister Crowley would say the same thing. I can't remember the exact quote, but it was something along the lines of like, there's no more pain in the world caused than, uh, by those who are not true to themselves, or who are not being their true selves. If you're going against what you're supposed to be, that's where you're, you're only gonna cause pain to yourself and to everybody around you, especially everybody around you.

• 21:30Speaker 04

  I legitimately think the world would be, would be different. If a time traveler dressed as an artist went back in time into Adolf Hitler's fucking class, went, took all his stupid ass paintings, put them in a gallery and said, Adolf, these are amazing. That is literally all he would needed and we would not be here. We wouldn't be dealing with any of that. I think we'd be dealing with different things, but.

• 21:50Speaker 06

  I always find it weird when people say I'd go back in time to kill baby Hitler. You kill him as an art student. It's more fun.

• 21:56Speaker 04

  Oh no. I'll tell you what though. Talk about fun. This is really all about killing babies with impunity. That's really what it's about. Everybody who says that is just super curious about like wholesale just fucking murdering a baby and you can do it without feeling any form of guilt about Hitler.

• 22:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, we did have this conversation at home not too long ago and we settled on teenage Hitler.

• 22:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:21Speaker 05

  You said like you kill him at 15.

• 22:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, oh, that's a good one.

• 22:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:25Speaker 04

  Yeah. Hear that, you fucking evil 15 year old?

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• 24:24Speaker 05

  Now, LeVey claimed that after just a year behind the Calliope, he had earned a reputation as a flamboyant personality and a reliable musician with the men who own the burlesque theaters around the greater Los Angeles area. LeVey, at the age of 18, was hired to play a far less abrasive organ at the Mayan Burlesque Theater, and it's here that Anton claimed to have his first brush with celebrity. According to the almost certainly not true story, LeVey claims that one of the dancers at the Mayan was a pre-famed 22-year-old Marilyn Monroe.

• 24:55Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 24:56Speaker 05

  LeVey said that they had an intense love affair that only lasted a few weeks, but that they were very sexually compatible. The owner of the Mayan, however, maintained that Monroe never even performed there, but according to LeVey, when Marilyn Monroe orgasmed, she quote, "nashed her teeth and farted."

• 25:17Speaker 04

  Well, he wished. He definitely wished, because he does, we know he likes his pee pee and he likes his farts. And he loves his farts. But, you know what I really do think that happened is- Sniff my sin for five years, you smell the sin. Smell the sin.

• 25:31Speaker 06

  Did they not know what creeps were back then?

• 25:33Speaker 04

  I think that, to be honest, no, I think that that's what he meant. But I, you know what I do think, is that because he's Anton LeVey, these stories all like, it's not true, but I bet you he had sex with a really hot blonde chick that looked just like her, and I bet that when he had sex with her, he used that version of that to be the satanic ideal from then on out. Sure. So whatever it was that he, whoever it was that he had sex with then, that was like, this story, what it is about, is the allegorical choosing of the satanic dual other nature. So what he did, as a dark, weird, gross man, right, he idolizes the blonde bombshell as a way to get things out of life very easily.

• 26:17Speaker 04

  So this is the first thing in his mind, it's like, that's kind of what it's about. Like, it's not about fucking Marilyn Monroe. Sure. It's about choosing the Marilyn Monroe form. I get it.

• 26:27Speaker 05

  Now, following his supposed-

• 26:31Speaker 04

  Fucking idiots.

• 26:33Speaker 05

  Now, following his supposed fling with Marilyn Monroe, LaVey claimed that he returned to San Francisco, where he expanded his professional pursuits to include photography. While still playing organ for local strip joints and private stag parties, LaVey said that he also got a job taking pictures of women modeling clothes and underwear, even though the census lists his status in 1948 as unemployed.

• 26:55Speaker 04

  Let's just say a lot of guys who take pictures of women in their underwear are technically by the state unemployed.

• 27:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm sure he got cash under the table.

• 27:03Speaker 05

  But regardless of what the paperwork says, the draft was still in effect in 1948. So to avoid military service, LaVey enrolled at San Francisco City College as a criminology major. Supposedly, this led to LaVey getting a job as a crime scene photographer at the San Francisco Police Department. Now, the SFPD has no record of Anton LaVey working for them under any name, but LaVey maintained that his record must have been expunged. They were ashamed of having Anton LaVey on their ranks. But even so, LaVey said that his time photographing the grotesque, blood-soaked bodies of car accident and murder victims led to another revelation. In his words, Anton decided that, quotes,

• 27:40Speaker 04

  There's no god. There's nobody up there who gives a shit. Man is the only god. So man must be taught to answer to himself and other men for his actions.

• 27:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:51Speaker 04

  Forget about it.

• 27:53Speaker 06

  I unfortunately agree with Anton LaVey.

• 27:56Speaker 05

  Unfortunately, here, I do have to agree with him, yeah.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  It's the very bottom. So this is my belief. He looked at the works of Ouija while he was taking classes as in criminology.

• 28:05Speaker 05

  Ouija being the famous crime scene photographer from New York City. Fantastic.

• 28:09Speaker 04

  Now, I know, there's a book out of all of his stuff that I have forgot to include into what is the, one of the biggest inspirations for Anton LaVey and the Church of Satan. And it's a book by William Montgomery, the photographer, called The Command to Look. He became obsessed with this book. It was a thing that William Montgomery, who took these pictures very similar to Diane Arbus.

• 28:31Speaker 04

  Naked, a lot of naked ladies, but also like really intense effects monsters, like very German expressionist and also grisly things, people with deformities and all stuff, and he made them beautiful. And he wrote this whole aesthetics world of like of tips that he wrote in this book, and each one of them is Satanism to its core.

• 28:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:53Speaker 04

  And so I think that the photography angle is partially his own obsession with William Montgomery, that then he fed, he fed these things to his own, saying, "I did them."

• 29:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 29:04Speaker 04

  And said, but he's just studied them very thoroughly.

• 29:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, cuz it's, if you're building a myth, like Anton LaVey was building a myth, like first of all, it's the mid 20th century, ain't no internet, ain't no way to check nothing. So if you tell a good enough story, and Anton LaVey was smart enough to tell a good story, where, you know, no one's gonna question you, people are gonna pay far more attention to say, "I did," someone who says, "I did this," rather than, "Well, I've studied the works of William Montgomery."

• 29:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly the thing.

• 29:34Speaker 05

  And then you're like, nobody wants to hear that.

• 29:35Speaker 06

  So when you say he studied the works of Ouija, Ouija is a photographer, not like the Ouija board?

• 29:40Speaker 05

  No, no, no, Ouija was the name of a crime scene photographer in New York City, who, it's, he's possibly my favorite photographer ever. Like, he would just, the way that he would just show up to a crime scene and photograph it in just the most beaut, honestly, most beautiful way possible, it's kind of insane.

• 29:58Speaker 04

  Beautiful and brutal. He would show up to these, he really was this like weird character.

• 30:03Speaker 05

  And sometimes he'd like show up before the cops did.

• 30:05Speaker 06

  Oh, he's one of those guys, like LA confidential style.

• 30:09Speaker 04

  Exactly. I'm pretty certain that that is kind of based on him.

• 30:11Speaker 06

  Oh, so he studied the works of Ouija, but he's such a nerd, he should've studied the works of wedgie.

• 30:15Speaker 04

  I hate you. He wasn't even interested. He wasn't even actually interested in the material. He fooled us.

• 30:25Speaker 06

  It's a setup.

• 30:26Speaker 04

  I think it interested them. Like you explained it, it was interesting. I will say that. It was a bait, but it didn't, you know, it did work on me.

• 30:37Speaker 05

  In Anton LaVey's personal life, it's known that he married for the first time at the age of 21. But since it was 1951, nobody batted an eye when Anton married a nice 15-year-old, middle-class girl named Carol Lansing. And after the two of them moved into an apartment near a San Francisco amusement park called Playland, Carol gave birth to Anton's first child, Carla. But while Anton LaVey was starting a family, he was also actively seeking out other people who shared his point of view, although he was having a hard time finding his people. He drove to Berkeley, where he found Aleister Crowley's Order of Thelma. But after looking into Crowley's life and workings a little bit deeper, LaVey decided that Crowley was, quote,

• 31:18Speaker 04

  "Druggie pozer, whose greatest achievements were as a poet and a mountain climber. Forget about it."

• 31:26Speaker 05

  Fair enough, I suppose.

• 31:27Speaker 04

  According to him, which just makes whole sense, by that point, if you could even see Crowley, where at the very end of his life, he was such a heroin addict and such a gross-ass fucking guy, that it, but to me, it also formulates the next levels of the Church of Satan. Just being, there's Aleister Crowley, the man, the most evil man to ever live. He walked the walk, he went through the fucking, he crossed the Rubicon, he met the, he met the fucking AWAS, he did all this shit. And now look at him.

• 31:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 31:53Speaker 04

  And it's just like, look what he's fucking, he's just fucking, he's basically just some schmuck that's dying of heroin abuse and all, and he's just this garbage guy. So of course, like, you're like, it must be a lesson. You're like, there's the grand magus.

• 32:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's just some mumbly fuck who's looking for his next fix.

• 32:08Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 32:09Speaker 05

  Now, while the San Francisco Police Department has no record of Anton LaVey's employment, it was still the SFPD that seemingly introduced Anton to the next phase of his increasingly spooky career. In 1953, Anton LaVey became one of the first Ghostbusters in America.

• 32:24Speaker 04

  Yeah! See, that's what, shit, that's cool.

• 32:31Speaker 04

  If you don't think that's cool, you're stupid.

• 32:34Speaker 06

  That's your plan?

• 32:36Speaker 05

  See, according to Anton LaVey, he was basically San Francisco's version of The X-Files. Anytime the SFPD got a so-called "nut" call, like a report of a ghost, a UFO, or a mysterious noise, the San Fran cops would toss the call to Anton LaVey.

• 32:51Speaker 04

  And we know that this stuff happens because of when we covered the warrants. We like, we know that cops do, they are people, they're like, alright, you can go look at this weird shit.

• 32:59Speaker 05

  Yeah. Anton would investigate by camping out in haunted locations in a sleeping bag with a camera loaded with infrared film to capture ghosts. And to monitor fluctuations in the pitch and intensity of the hauntings, he used a theremin as a so-called "intrusion detector." And this theremin that I have here, this is a, it's a stylophone theremin, it's got an antenna, it's a little buggy, I'd say, but this is a little bit what it would sound like.

• 33:33Speaker 04

  Because he had a ghost.

• 33:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:34Speaker 04

  Shut up.

• 33:36Speaker 04

  Shut the fuck up, Tony.

• 33:37Speaker 06

  Move the antenna to the right.

• 33:39Speaker 04

  We know you didn't go to the circus, Tony.

• 33:41Speaker 06

  Yes, I'm having trouble getting fucked.

• 33:47Speaker 05

  Now, what Anton discovered from his time as a ghost hunter was that people would insist on believing what they wanted to believe regardless of evidence. Even when Anton would find a real cause for strange noises like old pipes or a settling house, customers would insist on exorcisms to rid them of their supposed poltergeist. Anton, of course, leaned in, devising charms and spells for his clients to complete the act. But in 1955, LaVey had enough of a reputation as a ghost hunter to quit his crime scene photographer gig. Instead of taking pictures of grisly deaths, LaVey now claimed that he could spend all his time, quote, "exploring the black arts."

• 34:25Speaker 04

  Yeah!

• 34:27Speaker 05

  But exploring the black arts don't pay the bills.

• 34:29Speaker 04

  No, it doesn't, dog. Yeah, tell me about that. Tell me about that. If this was a black arts podcast, we wouldn't be one, you know what I'm saying? You know, this had to be a better True Crime Podcast to begin with, yeah.

• 34:40Speaker 05

  Yeah. So, LeVey also joined the San Francisco Musicians Union in 1955 as an organist, which got him a gig playing the Warletzer organ at a cocktail lounge ominously called The Lost Weekend.

• 34:53Speaker 04

  Ooh, cool.

• 34:53Speaker 06

  That's a really good name for a cocktail lounge.

• 34:55Speaker 05

  It's a great cocktail.

• 34:56Speaker 04

  That's exactly where I want to be, dude.

• 34:57Speaker 05

  And I think it's, I mean, I know, I found a picture of it from like 1979, so it survived. It was a very long-running, you know, San Francisco bar.

• 35:06Speaker 06

  It's such an interesting thing because he's a ghost hunter who helps people like fix their pipes. So I feel like he's actually helping them fix their problem.

• 35:14Speaker 04

  He is.

• 35:15Speaker 06

  But like, he's fixing the pipe and he's like, ah, ghost is gone.

• 35:19Speaker 04

  Yeah. But dude, but think about, that's like the ultimate like thing, because you got something, you paid for it, he fixed the issue, you know what I mean? It's like, everybody's happier, you still believe in ghosts, he got money, everybody's happy.

• 35:32Speaker 06

  Ghost plumbers.

• 35:33Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's how it started, that is literally how Ghostbusters, I believe it was called Ghost Smashers.

• 35:39Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:40Speaker 04

  Was the original name.

• 35:41Speaker 05

  Well, it all goes back to the magical principle of a, doesn't matter if it's real or not, only thing that matters is if it works.

• 35:47Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 35:48Speaker 05

  And 1955 was the year that Anton LeVey truly started developing his reputation as a local character in San Francisco. In fact, it's my personal opinion, this is, and this is just me, I think that all Anton LeVey ever really wanted to be was a local character. I think he just wanted to be the weirdest guy in San Francisco. But the thing about being the weirdest guy in San Francisco is that it puts you in the running for being one of the weirdest guys in the world. So when Anton LeVey opened the door to local character status, the enterprise sort of ran away with itself within about a decade.

• 36:19Speaker 04

  Well, I also think you and I kind of picked up on something that I've been thinking about more and more about Anton LeVey, that I do believe that he wanted to be in the movies.

• 36:28Speaker 05

  Yes, that is, that again, local character was the status he wanted, being in the movies was the job he wanted.

• 36:35Speaker 04

  I think that what we'll see, every single thing kinda comes up against that, where I think in the very, very end, he really just wanted to make art.

• 36:42Speaker 05

  I think, well, I think he just wanted to make movies and TV. I think that's it. He just, he wanted to be in show business.

• 36:48Speaker 06

  Did he ever run with like Neil Cassidy, the dead or anything like that?

• 36:52Speaker 04

  No.

• 36:52Speaker 06

  Weirdos doing drugs in San Francisco.

• 36:55Speaker 04

  Oh. Anton LaVey, the whole point of the Church of Satan was anti hippie.

• 36:59Speaker 05

  Well, he didn't run with Neil Cassidy, but he ran with people who ran with Neil Cassidy, which actually we'll, we'll get to one of those people here in a second, who actually had sex with Neil Cassidy.

• 37:07Speaker 04

  Oh wow!

• 37:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, but you know, who didn't, but you know. As far as how Anton became a local character, he did indeed have multiple big cats in his possession throughout the 1950s and 60s.

• 37:19Speaker 04

  He must have had some experience.

• 37:20Speaker 05

  He had to, yeah. He started with a leopard named Zoltan. Smuggled through Burma and then Israel by an associate of LaVey's. Zoltan the leopard became like any other pet in the LaVey household. Seemingly, Anton LaVey did have enough experience with big cats to train and tame Zoltan the leopard, because this big cat was safe enough to sometimes take naps with Anton's young daughter. Now, in 1956, Anton's parents bought Anton and his growing family a two-story home at 5114 California Street in San Francisco for the paltry sum of $9,500. Two-story townhouse in San Francisco. $9,500 in 1956.

• 38:01Speaker 06

  Rent for the fucking place now.

• 38:03Speaker 05

  God, no it's not. No, it absolutely is not. But, but later, even though his parents bought it for him, Anton LaVey would lie and say that he had discovered that this house was not only a former bordello and speakeasy, but it also once been home to San Francisco's voodoo queen.

• 38:23Speaker 05

  According to LaVey, his house had at one point belonged to a woman named Mary Ellen Pleasant, who, according to the local press, had been responsible for the deaths of four people, including her longtime business partner, all in the pursuit of voodoo. The rumor was that a servant had seen Pleasant pulling apart the bones in her partner's skull to pick out bits of his brain to use in voodoo rituals.

• 38:47Speaker 06

  Ooh.

• 38:48Speaker 05

  In reality, though, this was all just slander. Mary Ellen Pleasant was not only an essential link in the Underground Railroad, but she was also one of America's first black millionaires. She was a brilliant businesswoman by all accounts, but Mary Ellen Pleasant didn't take no shit from nobody.

• 39:06Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:06Speaker 05

  She was also, naturally, an abolitionist. And her dedication to the cause was so strong that when the abolitionist John Brown was hanged for insurrection in 1859, there was a note from Pleasant detailing escape instructions in John Brown's pocket. But because the people of San Francisco simply couldn't handle that a black woman could be so successful in the mid-19th century, it was said, in the press, mind you, this is what the newspapers printed, that Mary Ellen Pleasant was only successful because she used voodoo.

• 39:37Speaker 06

  That's the type of shit they've been doing for all of time, like, starting with Cleopatra. Also, voodoo is famously bad for making money. It's like, now, it's really, honestly, for all of the magical purposes, it's not super good at it.

• 39:49Speaker 05

  Now, Pleasant actually was a trained voodoo priestess.

• 39:52Speaker 06

  Oh, okay.

• 39:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:55Speaker 06

  She might have, like, sort of been highly trained in it.

• 39:59Speaker 05

  I mean, voodoo is a religion just like any other.

• 40:02Speaker 06

  Of course.

• 40:02Speaker 05

  You know, and she, and the things about Mary Ellen Pleasant, she had been born into slavery. Her mother was Haitian, her mother taught her the voodoo practice, but, you know, Mary Ellen Pleasant's story is fucking incredible.

• 40:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's amazing. That's a fucking amazing American story. That's a movie.

• 40:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's a movie. But when the press found out about her practice and tried exposing her, Pleasant doubled down and started carrying around a crystal ball as a prop.

• 40:31Speaker 05

  She therefore went down in San Francisco legend as the city's voodoo queen, the Marie LaVey of the Bay Area. And Anton LaVey was trying to capitalize on that spooky reputation by saying that his new house had once been hers.

• 40:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, it makes sense, why not?

• 40:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:45Speaker 04

  But is that true?

• 40:46Speaker 05

  No, no, it's not.

• 40:47Speaker 04

  No, you know how it is, what are you gonna do? But I also kind of always wondered how he retrofitted his house in the way that he did.

• 40:53Speaker 05

  Well, that's the thing, is that while the house did not belong to Mary Ellen Pleasant, it could have been a bordello.

• 41:00Speaker 04

  Because there was something going on in there.

• 41:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, what's that?

• 41:03Speaker 06

  Lot of rooms.

• 41:03Speaker 05

  Lot of rooms, lot of, uh, secret entrances.

• 41:06Speaker 04

  Lot of hidden passages and shit.

• 41:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, hidden passageways. Bedroom had multiple entrances. There were multiple secret entrance ways that LaVey would later customize that ran throughout the entire house. In other words, LaVey saw the possibilities here. So to further advance his local character status, he immediately, upon moving in, painted the house's exteriors black.

• 41:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was awesome!

• 41:29Speaker 05

  This, of course, would be the Church of Satan's infamous black house, where Anton would create the church and hold its first satanic black masses.

• 41:38Speaker 04

  And also, the windows were permanently boarded up, permanently painted over and shit.

• 41:42Speaker 05

  I'd call it the first satanic, uh, tourist attraction in history.

• 41:45Speaker 04

  I would say so, yeah. It was a really tiny house smashed in between two giant houses, which is kind of funny, too, because then all the things grew around it, and it was just this, it's this little two-story, completely matte, black house.

• 41:56Speaker 06

  And it's gone now.

• 41:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 41:58Speaker 06

  It's just an empty lot. You should paint your house black.

• 42:00Speaker 04

  Well, we actually have competition.

• 42:02Speaker 06

  Yeah?

• 42:03Speaker 04

  We have a goth house also in the neighborhood. So we can't be chasing that dragon, and also horrific for the temperature. Horrific for the fucking LA heat. It's bad to do. Fucking just drives bills up.

• 42:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, I got a Halloween house on my street. It's black with, uh, you know, all the molding is painted orange.

• 42:19Speaker 04

  And, you know, it's also nice, you know, I found out, because I did want to paint it black, is that the problem is that you do have to, you have to repaint your house, like, every year.

• 42:27Speaker 06

  Really?

• 42:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:28Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 42:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's really expensive.

• 42:30Speaker 06

  Interesting, you figure black would be fine.

• 42:32Speaker 04

  No.

• 42:32Speaker 06

  You just cover it with shit, no one will know.

• 42:34Speaker 05

  No, no, no, it's a real bad idea.

• 42:35Speaker 04

  It's bad.

• 42:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:36Speaker 04

  Turn it down.

• 42:37Speaker 06

  Don't do it.

• 42:37Speaker 04

  Let me say it, I wish I could, I wish I could.

• 42:40Speaker 05

  Well, in the late 50s, the Black House served as a beacon for other people who were into occult and paranormal subjects like Anton. And before long, LaVey had gathered enough of a crew to form a group called the Magic Circle. Of course, he couldn't find them anywhere else, so he made a way for them to come to him.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  Oh, yes.

• 42:57Speaker 05

  And the Magic Circle was basically a prototype for the Church of Satan. Made up of a bunch of California weirdos who like to talk about magic with a K, the Magic Circle threw parties at LaVey's Black House, where they would perform rituals, give lectures on occult topics, and generally socialize with other free thinkers. Amongst the early members of the Magic Circle was a magician and dentist named Cecil E. Nixon. Dr. Cecil E. Nixon DDS.

• 43:24Speaker 04

  Dr. Nixon DDS.

• 43:27Speaker 05

  His main hobby was the construction of automatons, which, in essence, are somewhere between an animatronic and a robot, usually made of clockwork. Nixon's most famous automaton was Isis. Isis was a representation of an Egyptian woman who could supposedly play 3,000 songs on a zither that sat on its lap, using a complex system of gears, cams, sprockets, solenoids, and electromagnets.

• 43:53Speaker 04

  And the way it worked is that the guy would come out, he'd be like, "Okay, let's get the system ready." So he'd first show you all the gears. So you have this lady sitting on top of a box, he'd open up one door and you'd see all the gears underneath it. He opened another door, he's like, "This is also where all the gears are." And he opened another little door that had like buttons and little things on it. He's like, "Here's all the controlling mechanisms." Then he'd close it, and he's like, "All right, now I gotta go get her prepped." And he'd turn a big crank, and then he's like, "Okay, now name a song."

• 44:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, and there were actually little speakers on Isis that you would like go down and you would ask for the song that you wanted.

• 44:29Speaker 04

  That's awesome.

• 44:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, not as impressive in reality as it sounds in theory.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  Shit!

• 44:37Speaker 06

  Just like the real Isis.

• 44:38Speaker 05

  Always, every day, right?

• 44:40Speaker 04

  You're like, "You guys are fucking... not as cool as I thought you'd be."

• 44:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, you're just the sequel to Al Qaeda.

• 44:46Speaker 04

  It's always worse, too much CGI.

• 44:48Speaker 05

  Let's hear a demonstration of Isis during a televised British magic show in 1989, after someone asked the automaton to play "Home on the Range."

• 45:06Speaker 04

  No, you know it.

• 45:13Speaker 06

  It is, it really is, isn't it? It really is Home on the Range.

• 45:16Speaker 05

  It's really not. It's absolutely not in any way whatsoever Home on the Range.

• 45:19Speaker 06

  That guy's more of a liar than Anton Mufek! Well, those are guys that are true magicians. He did it, he did it, he did it! That promise didn't happen. How it operated. It happened right in front of us, we heard it.

• 45:29Speaker 04

  So, for years, everybody said, right? But for years, there were so many people baffled by ISIS.

• 45:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:35Speaker 04

  And they thought that it was magic, and he said, like, Nixon said, "I had worked on this for 20 years in secret, and I'm continuing to work on it, and it's the mysterious mechanism."

• 45:44Speaker 05

  The owner of Harris Casino bought ISIS from Nixon and couldn't figure it out.

• 45:48Speaker 04

  He said he couldn't figure it out.

• 45:49Speaker 06

  Because it doesn't work.

• 45:52Speaker 04

  How it works is that, what happens is, is that, there's a guy in it.

• 45:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 45:58Speaker 04

  And then when you lower the crank, you show all the stuff, because that's like the front of where the guy's sitting. And then when you lower, when you hit the crank, it lowers the inner working, so the guy that's in the closed box can crawl into this thing underneath ISIS that has this little keyboard, in which you try to play the zither by looking through this little slot with this keyboard. So that's why it sounds like that.

• 46:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 46:21Speaker 04

  Because the guy can barely fucking see, and he's trying to do it from the inside in this weird cockamamie, like, thing.

• 46:27Speaker 06

  Man, is that shit that's still going on today? I went to the Magic Castle last night.

• 46:30Speaker 05

  Oh, cool.

• 46:31Speaker 04

  Oh, you went last night?

• 46:32Speaker 06

  I went last night, it just randomly was there. Honestly, I'm thinking about the whole episode today, but, uh...

• 46:37Speaker 04

  Why, why, where'd you go with, now, where'd you go with?

• 46:39Speaker 06

  With your wife? No, I went with your wife.

• 46:41Speaker 04

  I named a wife. I named a wife.

• 46:45Speaker 06

  No, I went with Julie's friends, it was like a double date thing, and, uh...

• 46:48Speaker 04

  You went like in a suit and everything?

• 46:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, I put a suit on. Yeah, yeah, like a big monkey man. And, uh, they got a piano, they got one of these things.

• 46:54Speaker 04

  They didn't bring you back to the zoo or anything? They didn't ask you where your shots were?

• 46:57Speaker 06

  It's called Irma, and it's a piano that just plays, and what it is, is like, you talk to Irma, and Irma doesn't exist, it's just an empty piano, but you speak at Irma, you're like, "Irma, please play, uh, I asked for Autumn Leaves." I was like, "Please, Irma, please play Autumn Leaves," and then... Irma goes, and then you tip Irma a dollar in her birdcage and it's like, you know, there's just someone watching from another room, you know, but it's, it's very cool. It's my favorite. It's my favorite part of the Magic Castle.

• 47:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:22Speaker 06

  So if you ever go, you, you would love Irma. You'd spend the whole time in there.

• 47:25Speaker 05

  I know. Yeah.

• 47:27Speaker 04

  You would love the close magic. All the close magic is my favorite things, but yeah, they definitely will touch your wife.

• 47:32Speaker 06

  Magicians, you can't trust them.

• 47:34Speaker 05

  No.

• 47:34Speaker 04

  You really can't. They make their panties disappear. Yep. They make their panties disappear.

• 47:38Speaker 05

  Anton LaVey's Magic Circle also counted filmmaker and author Kenneth Anger as an early member. This marked the first of LaVey's two connections to the Manson family. One of Anger's films, Lucifer Rising, starred Manson family member Bobby Boselé, who was convicted in the murder of Gary Him, and that was the family's first victim.

• 47:57Speaker 04

  Kenneth Anger, to me, is also the exact reason why Anton LaVey was really interested more in getting into the movies.

• 48:04Speaker 05

  No, because Hollywood Babylon.

• 48:06Speaker 04

  And they, their real-

• 48:07Speaker 05

  Which is also full of lies.

• 48:08Speaker 04

  It is. Their real love was the collection of those stories about Hollywood.

• 48:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:14Speaker 04

  That was their real time passing that they would do. Just talking about all these old ideas of like conspiracy theories, like old ideas of like Cecil B. DeMille, like having like a girl mill and like having all these things. Like, if you've ever read Hollywood Babylon, it's so entertaining.

• 48:31Speaker 06

  Anton LaVey should have lived in L.A.

• 48:34Speaker 05

  He liked San Francisco. It was his hometown.

• 48:36Speaker 04

  San Francisco was, was still cooler.

• 48:39Speaker 06

  It was. Back then it was, especially.

• 48:41Speaker 05

  Yeah. But I mean, really, when these guys got together, like, they talked a lot more about, what, what was the name of the guy that, um, supposedly, uh, you know, used the Coke bottle on the girl and almost got, you know, Chris Farley was supposed to play in the movie.

• 48:55Speaker 06

  Fatty Arbuckle.

• 48:56Speaker 05

  Fatty Arbuckle. They talked far more about shit like Fatty Arbuckle and whether or not he actually did it than they did about Satan.

• 49:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 49:03Speaker 05

  Like, that's the type of shit they talked about. But through Kenneth Anger, LaVey was introduced to the brilliant artist Marjorie Cameron, who was also Jack Parsons' widow. The Magic Circle also boasted aristocrats, taxidermists, anthropologists, and gastroenterologists as members. In other words, LaVey was attracting intelligence. ...curious people into his orbit. LaVey was also exploring so-called demonic geometry at this time. So he designed an oddly shaped black and red medallion adorned with a bat wing demon for the most devoted members of the Magic Circle to wear. These nerds then formed a subgroup called the Order of the Trappizoids. This was a group within the Magic Circle.

• 49:45Speaker 05

  And those members would eventually become the leaders in the Church of Satan. In fact, what this early group was doing with their rituals really wasn't that much different from what the Church of Satan would eventually do. Their rituals helped with professional advances, unexpected rewards, money, sexual or romantic satisfaction, or the elimination of their enemies. But differently, it was a bunch of nerds focusing their energies so they could get the things they wanted out of life, which is what magic is all about.

• 50:12Speaker 04

  Now, Order of the Trappizoid, I had, Natalie and I, I had made Order of the Trappizoid pendants for us to wear. And Order of the Trappizoid all comes from William Montgomery. The idea of what it's considered to be magical interest and the idea of a trappizoidal shape, which is what he uses, but again, it was just the drinking group. You know what I mean? The Order of the Trappizoid was just, he'd be like, "Okay, guys, leave. We're having the Order of the Trappizoid's secret meeting now." And then they'd like, "All right, now we're gonna hang out."

• 50:43Speaker 06

  When you gave that to Natalie, was she like, "Could you get me something else?"

• 50:46Speaker 04

  No.

• 50:50Speaker 05

  No, we're all with the women we're supposed to be with.

• 50:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what she gets.

• 50:57Speaker 05

  Now, Anton LaVey's first marriage didn't last long. In 1959, when LaVey was 29 years old, he met a 17-year-old girl named Diane Hegarty, who was going by the name of Diane von Jew. Diane was working as an usher at a movie theater near a bar where Anton was playing the organ, and Anton apparently caught her eye. Shortly after their affair began, LaVey divorced his wife for Diane. Although interestingly, LaVey's daughter Carla stayed in the black house with her father rather than leave with her mother.

• 51:28Speaker 04

  He wasn't, you know, he wasn't that bad at the time.

• 51:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:31Speaker 06

  It's probably all the trap doors she couldn't find a way out. I mean, that's just fun to do.

• 51:36Speaker 05

  Diane Hegarty would take LaVey's last name. And while the two would never marry, it is almost certain that the Church of Satan would have never gotten off the ground without Diane's input, organization, and ideas. But just as important was the fact that Diane fully encouraged Anton LaVey to finally become Anton Zandor LaVey.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  Unless you believe fucking Michael Aquino. He's like, "He talks to us, yeah, I publish his friend. Explain him how to waste his church things. So they went to the state, they fill out all the paperwork because that's what they do. So it was not his idea at all, it was the other guy's idea."

• 52:15Speaker 06

  It's like, you don't realize, Aquino, like, if you were like a fat complaining loser, people were just gonna like the other guy.

• 52:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is the whole thing, man. Yeah, sure, but guess what? Everybody liked him, bro.

• 52:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:27Speaker 04

  Everybody liked Anton. No one liked you, Michael.

• 52:30Speaker 05

  No, they really didn't.

• 52:31Speaker 04

  You fucking, every time you talk, they probably went, "Shut up, Michael. Shut the fuck up."

• 52:36Speaker 06

  I hope we never do an episode on him.

• 52:37Speaker 04

  Oh, we will. Oh, no, he's coming up next episode.

• 52:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, he'll be a part of next episode.

• 52:41Speaker 06

  A part of an episode.

• 52:42Speaker 05

  A part of an episode.

• 52:43Speaker 06

  He doesn't get his own episode.

• 52:44Speaker 05

  God, no.

• 52:45Speaker 04

  No, because his shit's too fucking boring. And I, we are past, as a group, and you can be thanked, you thank us, thank me. We're not gonna talk about the magical workings, okay? Because we know it bores people.

• 52:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:58Speaker 04

  Because guess what I just tried to do? Read the Temple of Set book. And guess what it is? It's about all of his workings to form the Temple of Set. And guess what it is? Boring as fuck. It's nothing's happened. His eyes are closed.

• 53:14Speaker 05

  And once Diane moved into the black house, it became, in the words of author Doug Brode in his book Born with a Tail, quote, "A canvas on which LaVey could project his wicked feverish art, creating a total environment out of his grisliest dreams."

• 53:29Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 53:30Speaker 05

  Arthur and Diane painted their bedroom glossy red, while the kitchen and living room were just as black as the house's exterior. You'll like this, Eddie. The exception in the kitchen was a mural which featured a cartoon bat demon modeled after Schirnabog from the Night on Bald Mountain segment in Fantasia.

• 53:46Speaker 06

  Hell, yeah.

• 53:47Speaker 04

  Wow. Yeah.

• 53:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, and what I love is below Sherne Bog, that's where he put all of his organs. I mean, organ in the kitchen is pretty great.

• 53:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's pretty fucking cool.

• 53:56Speaker 06

  Man, I would love if someone played the organ for me while I cooked.

• 53:58Speaker 05

  I know. I had that same thought. They then decorated the house with skulls, a full-size human skeleton, probably obtained from someone at a San Francisco hospital, taxidermied animals, a coffin, a chair that LeVey claimed belonged to Rasputin, a coffee table made from a tombstone belonging to some guy named Lucas Machado, and of course, dozens of LeVey's own paintings. I actually looked, I couldn't really find LeVey's paintings.

• 54:27Speaker 04

  I couldn't either.

• 54:28Speaker 05

  Like, it's insane. When you look, all, it's just, I mean, I guess it's just a Google thing, but yeah, Google is, only gives you paintings of Anton LeVey.

• 54:35Speaker 06

  Oh, maybe he never did it and just lied about it.

• 54:37Speaker 05

  No, no, no, they were everywhere. In fact, actually the first-

• 54:40Speaker 04

  They might just belong to his family. It just might not be in all in private hands.

• 54:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, maybe. I mean, I, I know he was good, the very first press that he got was for his paintings in like 1956. So, they were apparently good.

• 54:53Speaker 04

  He was a good artist.

• 54:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:55Speaker 06

  So, they got, it was a real skeleton?

• 54:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, they got a real skeleton. They, but they, no one knows where they got it from, but they knew so many people, especially, like, you know, they knew gastroenterologists, they, you know, they knew dentists, they knew people in the medical world that, you know, probably could get them a human skeleton.

• 55:10Speaker 06

  It was a lot easier to get back then, too.

• 55:12Speaker 05

  Far easier.

• 55:13Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:14Speaker 06

  I mean, just like, you know, speaking of like Disney, the Pirates of the Caribbean used to be all skeletons.

• 55:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, real skeletons. That was when it was awesome.

• 55:20Speaker 06

  And then they switched it out, but someone was like, this is disgusting. You're like, whatever, bro.

• 55:25Speaker 05

  I mean, it's not that hard. There's a, I mean, I know there's a fucking antique store in Pasadena right now that's selling a skeleton for like $2,000. I mean, I know it's expensive.

• 55:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 55:34Speaker 05

  But it's not hard to get.

• 55:36Speaker 06

  I would love, I want my skeleton to end up in a classroom somewhere, just so like some kid would steal my arm one day.

• 55:41Speaker 04

  I mean, that'd be so much, look what I've got, old Eddie's pinky.

• 55:46Speaker 05

  Well, LaVey also installed a trick bookcase that connected their purple painted sitting room with their bedroom, a replica of King Tut's sarcophagus in the living room that also led to their bedroom, and a trapdoor in a fake fireplace that led to the basement. That must have been so much fun to use.

• 56:01Speaker 06

  So fun.

• 56:02Speaker 04

  Was it a slide?

• 56:02Speaker 05

  I know, I hope so. I don't know. It was probably a net at the end. Well, basically, I mean, he turned his house into a carnival. It was a spook house. It's the whole thing is a carnival spook house, because in my view, just about everything, it just keeps coming back to the carnival. For another example, when Diane and Anton had their daughter, they named her after a character from the Carney novel Nightmare Alley. This child, perhaps one of the most infamous children in occult history, was Xena, but her part in the story will come later. Now, by 1960, after LaVey and Diane turned the Black House into a fun house for the occult, Anton began formalizing the magical lectures he'd been giving casually at magic circle gatherings.

• 56:45Speaker 05

  He held these formal lectures every Friday night at midnight in his red-walled living room. Eventually, LaVey opened these lectures to the public, charging $2.50 per person. These Friday night occult lectures came to be known as the first Black Masses, which were intended to be an inversion of the Catholic Mass. Instead of speaking on biblical subjects, LaVey would give lectures on vampirism, lycanthropy, sideshow freaks, torture methods, sex theories, recipes for aphrodisiacs, gland transplants on monkeys or goats.

• 57:19Speaker 04

  God, cool.

• 57:20Speaker 05

  Zombies, haunted houses, ESP, homunculi. Basically, it's what people like us have been doing with podcasts for the last 15 years, but in lecture form.

• 57:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, and he did it in a cool-ass house with a guy dressed up as the devil and all hanging out. It's awesome.

• 57:32Speaker 06

  Yeah. Was he, like, playing the organ and stuff while he did it, too?

• 57:35Speaker 05

  I mean, sometimes he'd play the organ. Yeah, but, yeah, but mostly, yeah, they were just these, like, formalized lectures, like, hey, I just, I studied vampires all week, here's what I learned about vampires.

• 57:44Speaker 06

  Man, I bet that was fun as hell.

• 57:46Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, for $2.50? Like, that's a great Friday night. But taking it far beyond talk, Anton also held activities. At these black masses, like the time one of the members of the Magic Circle allegedly obtained an actual human leg from a physician. The supposed leg was cooked in fruit juice, grenadine, and triple sec, and served with fried bananas, yams, tonka bean wine, and caterpillars. Now, after a lecture on cannibalism was given, it was said that while some in the Magic Circle were squeamish about eating caterpillar, they had no problem feasting on human flesh. But if we're being realistic here, it was probably just pork.

• 58:25Speaker 04

  It was pork. Because in the end, we all know that he doesn't believe in human sacrifice. That whole thing, it's just like a funny thing to do, and it's funny.

• 58:31Speaker 06

  But it wasn't sacrifice. They just stole the leg.

• 58:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was, but yeah, it was, I think, I think they said it was like it had been amputated, or something like that.

• 58:39Speaker 04

  It's not real.

• 58:40Speaker 05

  It's not real, yeah. Although it could be. I'd like to think that it could be.

• 58:44Speaker 04

  Well, to me, the idea of, like, the idea that, because I held a cannibal dinner. And there's something about that where it's way, it's more fun to just be like, we're cannibals, like, then you don't have to worry about it, it's just fun if it looks like people.

• 58:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, you shouldn't, you shouldn't eat people.

• 59:01Speaker 04

  It's just because it can lead to brain problems, you can get prion disease. That's the main issue.

• 59:05Speaker 06

  Same thing with, don't eat dolphin either. A lot of too much mercury.

• 59:08Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 59:09Speaker 04

  That's the main issue.

• 59:10Speaker 05

  Now, when Anton LaVey started opening his home to the public, he also completely transformed his look in 1966. Looking to copy the style of medieval executioners, carnival strongmen, and black magicians like Aleister Crowley, Anton LaVey shaved his head, donned a cloak, and shaped his goatee into an aggressive point. Now, LaVey claimed that he did this to mimic the Faustian depiction of Mephistopheles, who was usually seen as the devil's liaison, or the devil's agent.

• 59:38Speaker 06

  Or cat.

• 59:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:42Speaker 05

  But it has been noted that Anton LaVey may have taken inspiration from a far less highfalutin source. Instead of Faust, it speculated that Anton LaVey took his look from Don Rickles.

• 59:55Speaker 04

  Yes, he did. Of course, he did. That fucking hockey puck.

• 1:00:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, you want to look good, you know, you got to look like a man.

• 1:00:04Speaker 04

  I'm Polish. That's what my father used to do every time he saw Don Rickles.

• 1:00:09Speaker 05

  Just about a month before Anton LaVey debuted his new look in 1966, Don Rickles had appeared as a supernatural villain in an episode of a now-forgotten espionage western TV show called The Wild Wild West, which I watched a little bit of it. Kind of seems like a cross between Mission Impossible and Gunsmoke.

• 1:00:28Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 1:00:28Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's interesting.

• 1:00:30Speaker 04

  Whoa, he's so funny looking in this.

• 1:00:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:33Speaker 04

  Oh my God, Eddie, I've never seen him with a mustache.

• 1:00:37Speaker 06

  Wow, I've never seen him looking like that. That's hilarious.

• 1:00:41Speaker 05

  Well, Rickles, in a rare dramatic turn, he played it totally straight, plays a sinister black magician named Asmodeus, who uses occult imagery, rituals, and black magic to frighten and manipulate the townsfolk in a typical 19th century western settlement. In his episode, awesomely titled "The Night of the Druid's Blood", Rickles' character even burned someone alive in a seemingly supernatural fashion. But ultimately, the deaths are exposed as simple murder using smoke and mirrors, much like a very dark episode of Scooby Doo.

• 1:01:13Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:01:14Speaker 06

  That's very cool. I can't wait to watch this.

• 1:01:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, but in the end, it cannot be denied that while the character design of Asmodeus definitely took from depictions of Faust Mephistopheles, the style of Don Rickles in this role, broadcast just a month before Anton LaVey unveiled his own look, is incredibly similar to LaVey's bald-headed, pointed goatee style.

• 1:01:37Speaker 04

  He also looks like what? Like, there's also that famous guy who was Ming the Merciless, was like a thing?

• 1:01:42Speaker 05

  Yeah, Ming the Merciless from Flash Gordon.

• 1:01:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:44Speaker 06

  Man, you know that pissed Rickles off. Like, the first person that looked like him was like a Satanist.

• 1:01:51Speaker 04

  Oh, he probably had no fucking idea. Wait, believe a guy? You believe in Satan? Satan? Oh, that's better?

• 1:01:59Speaker 04

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• 1:03:23Speaker 05

  Now, Anton LaVey was certainly getting attention for all this occult imagery. He was also gaining local notoriety in San Francisco in the mid-1960s as the big cat guy. This kind of tells you what San Francisco was about in the 60s.

• 1:03:37Speaker 06

  God, it's just so much fun.

• 1:03:38Speaker 05

  Yeah. See, in 1964, his leopard, Zoltan, I mean, cat's a cat, no matter if it's big or small. Cats sometimes run out of the house when you open the door.

• 1:03:47Speaker 06

  Of course they do.

• 1:03:48Speaker 05

  This time, Zoltan ran out of the house, got hit by a car.

• 1:03:52Speaker 06

  It's a fucking leopard. It's different than a cat. You know what I mean? It's definitely way different than a cat.

• 1:03:57Speaker 05

  No, a cat, a cat's a cat. You leave the door open, cat's gonna get out.

• 1:04:00Speaker 06

  A leopard's 150 pounds.

• 1:04:01Speaker 05

  It's pretty big. I can only imagine the pulse of the person who hit the guy.

• 1:04:05Speaker 06

  It's a living duck. I'd be so scared. What kind of dog is that?

• 1:04:10Speaker 05

  Well, Zoltan was killed and buried in Anton's backyard. LaVey and his family were devastated by Zoltan's death. So in November of 1964, a member of the Magic Circle bought a baby Nubian lion for Anton LaVey.

• 1:04:23Speaker 06

  Yeah, he did such a good job with the first one.

• 1:04:26Speaker 04

  Hey, at least it killed itself.

• 1:04:27Speaker 05

  Come on, you've, you, I, we've all, you know, gotten a pet after one pet died.

• 1:04:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:04:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:34Speaker 04

  To be honest, I recommend it.

• 1:04:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:36Speaker 04

  But now, when they're leopards.

• 1:04:38Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:40Speaker 04

  I don't think you have to worry about being like sad, like I think you should, as soon as your pet dies, get a new pet.

• 1:04:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:45Speaker 04

  That's my view.

• 1:04:46Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, you got to.

• 1:04:46Speaker 04

  Replace it, new pet.

• 1:04:47Speaker 06

  Always.

• 1:04:47Speaker 04

  Boom, done.

• 1:04:48Speaker 06

  I have multiple pets and I'm ready for them to die.

• 1:04:51Speaker 04

  Yours are staggered out.

• 1:04:52Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:04:53Speaker 04

  In generational, you get to really play with that, that's awesome. It's a great roster.

• 1:04:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, we do the same thing a- at our house, is that it's always gonna be two dogs, one young, one a little bit old.

• 1:05:03Speaker 04

  That's the goal.

• 1:05:03Speaker 05

  But you stagger them, so that way you're never without a dog.

• 1:05:05Speaker 04

  That's the idea.

• 1:05:06Speaker 05

  Cause they're gonna die.

• 1:05:07Speaker 04

  Every time.

• 1:05:08Speaker 06

  But you know, you never know which one's gonna go. Tootsie was supposed to like make it okay for me to deal with Rambo dying, but then he died and she's still around a year later, she ain't going nowhere.

• 1:05:16Speaker 04

  No, she did it on a fight. She did it cause she's an evil woman, just like your fucking mother.

• 1:05:21Speaker 06

  Makes sense.

• 1:05:21Speaker 05

  And when Anton got a new big cat, he got a lion and he named it Togar, after the stage name of an Austrian lion tamer. Now again, Anton LaVey must have had experience with big cats, because as opposed to Count Dante, who couldn't stop his lion from attacking his students, LaVey was able to take Togar to his daughter's kindergarten class for show and tell.

• 1:05:43Speaker 04

  I mean, like, it's gotta be something.

• 1:05:45Speaker 05

  I mean, this lark was actually reported in the San Francisco Chronicle, that absolutely happened.

• 1:05:49Speaker 06

  But it was still a kitten at that point, right?

• 1:05:51Speaker 05

  At that point, yeah, yeah. But even so, you remember like Count Dante, his, people would say like every time we tried to feed the cat, you had to hold down all four of its paws because it would scratch the shit out of you. Anton LaVey knew what he was doing.

• 1:06:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, Anton LaVey is better than Count Dante.

• 1:06:06Speaker 04

  He is. On this one thing.

• 1:06:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, cause Count Dante is a, a pale imitation of Anton LaVey. And seemingly, Anton LaVey parlayed this lion coverage into getting a part-time job writing a column for the Chronicle himself, in which he cemented his reputation as one of San Francisco's weirdest characters. While the column was mostly about his time as a paranormal investigator, it was also where LaVey made his first claims about being a lion trainer, a carnival organist, a police photographer, and an accordion teacher.

• 1:06:37Speaker 04

  So that's, that's where he set the lore.

• 1:06:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, and this legend was set, this is before, this is two years before he started the Church of Satan.

• 1:06:44Speaker 04

  Now Togar-

• 1:06:44Speaker 06

  It's easier to lie back then.

• 1:06:46Speaker 04

  It really is, and honestly, you say that, but it's easy to lie now. You just gotta keep doing it. That's the key, Eddie. Never give in, ever. Dig in, never change. Alex Jones fucking sold his family down the river when he broke character. I can't, man. He broke character, that was his biggest problem.

• 1:07:05Speaker 05

  Now Togar the lion was, after all, still a lion. While Togar was well behaved enough where Anton could walk it through his local supermarket just to get a reaction from the public, the lion did once almost kill the grandson of the 21st president of the United States, Chester A. Arthur.

• 1:07:21Speaker 06

  Not Chester A. Arthur!

• 1:07:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm sorry.

• 1:07:23Speaker 06

  You share a birthday, I'm attached to him.

• 1:07:25Speaker 05

  Wow, well, it's Chester A. Arthur's grandson.

• 1:07:28Speaker 06

  I still love him.

• 1:07:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, Arthur A. Arthur.

• 1:07:34Speaker 05

  Well, President Arthur's grandson was also Chester A. Arthur, but he called himself Gavin, to set himself apart. Called himself Gavin Arthur.

• 1:07:41Speaker 04

  Great.

• 1:07:42Speaker 05

  Gavin-

• 1:07:44Speaker 05

  Gavin Arthur was yet another fascinating figure in Anton LaVey's orbit. By the mid 60s, Arthur had established himself as both an astrologer and a sexologist.

• 1:07:54Speaker 04

  God.

• 1:07:54Speaker 05

  Think Albert Kinsey, but if he was obsessed with horoscopes.

• 1:07:57Speaker 04

  It's the perfect time to be a sexologist.

• 1:07:59Speaker 05

  It really is.

• 1:08:00Speaker 04

  And slash fucking astrologer.

• 1:08:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, and you know who was like, super into Gavin Arthur's sexologist stuff? Is Alan Watts. Alan Watts loved it. Like, he would write all, like, and he knew Alan Watts, he was like, Gavin Arthur was in that scene with Alan Watts and all those guys. Well, and, you know, Gavin Arthur would call himself the pre-hippie hippie. He was active in the early gay rights movement as a bisexual. He was friends with and had sex with various writers amongst the Beat Generation. That's where Neil Cassidy came in.

• 1:08:30Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:08:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, it came in, came on, came out, whatever.

• 1:08:32Speaker 04

  Sucking his fucking cat.

• 1:08:35Speaker 05

  And he was also an early leader in San Francisco's hate Ashbury scene before the whole thing fell apart. That's what he means when he says he's the pre-hippie hippie. He was, he was there in the beginning when they were like, okay, there's something going on here. Something's changing, you know, perspective is changing. And then, of course, the hippie movement just did what it did.

• 1:08:53Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:08:54Speaker 05

  But he was the guy, he was one of the guys at the very beginning.

• 1:08:56Speaker 06

  That's very cool.

• 1:08:57Speaker 05

  And those were the guys that Anton LaVey hung out with. And when Gavin Arthur dined with Anton LaVey, he found himself suddenly trapped under 250 pounds of lion as Togar ripped Arthur's suit to shreds in the middle of dinner.

• 1:09:09Speaker 06

  He smelled the president on him.

• 1:09:12Speaker 06

  Gotta get the chest through.

• 1:09:14Speaker 05

  But ever the wag, Gavin later quipped to the Chronicle. This is what I get for not hiring a lion sitter.

• 1:09:25Speaker 05

  You just, I guess it is a bit of a Snagglepuss line. Oh, yeah. This is what I get for not hiring a lion sitter. Oh, new Suda log. Oh, exit stage right even.

• 1:09:39Speaker 05

  Sometime in 1966, Anton LaVey decided that his profile was not quite high enough. After shaving his head and putting on a cape and devil horns, LaVey officiated a wedding as a high priest of Satan, complete with a naked woman on the altar. The ceremony was, of course, both public and covered by the press. But after the ceremony, LaVey started gaining national attention as both a big cat guy and as a Satanist. But his neighbors, instead of going after the Satanist angle, they started getting very vocal about Togar.

• 1:10:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, that makes sense. You know, there's a lion attacking the neighborhood. We'll deal with the Satan stuff later. Satan's kind of an esoteric issue that we're kind of all sort of trying to sort out. But there's a lion on the street. There's a lion in that house over there.

• 1:10:28Speaker 05

  No, it really does show you everything about San Francisco. There's this great, there's news footage, there's archive footage of people interviewing like neighbors and like, "I don't care about the Satanism stuff, who really cares? But this lion keeps startling my husband when he roars at 2 a.m."

• 1:10:45Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's so funny, yeah, San Francisco.

• 1:10:47Speaker 05

  It's so loud, he's so loud.

• 1:10:48Speaker 06

  The walls are so thin.

• 1:10:52Speaker 05

  Eventually, though, Togar got to be too much to handle because it's always a bad idea to have a lion as a pet. Diane Hagarty tried brushing Tabasco sauce on the furniture because Togar kept chewing everything to pieces. And Togar was known to go into rampages within the house that would cost thousands of dollars to repair.

• 1:11:10Speaker 06

  Gotta get a scratching post.

• 1:11:11Speaker 04

  It really does.

• 1:11:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, or a scratching cross. That'd be good.

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  Man, that would be so much fun.

• 1:11:16Speaker 06

  Upside down cross.

• 1:11:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:18Speaker 06

  Scratching post. It was fucking awesome. I should've worked for Anton.

• 1:11:21Speaker 05

  Yep. Ah, that'd be great. Now, LaVey had tried and failed to sell Togar to a circus for $5,000.

• 1:11:28Speaker 06

  He should've tried for four.

• 1:11:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:31Speaker 05

  But after Togar clawed and burst a water pipe one day, flooded the basement of the black house, LaVey said, "Fuck it," and got on the phone to the San Francisco Zoo that very day to donate the beast. LaVey, however, wasn't happy about the circumstances that led to him losing Togar. He said he cursed his neighbors for complaining.

• 1:11:50Speaker 06

  I gotta steal.

• 1:11:51Speaker 05

  And many of them thereafter moved away, died, or disappeared.

• 1:11:54Speaker 06

  I think that mostly that was just what happened with San Francisco.

• 1:11:56Speaker 05

  They're also just, uh, they were all the people that were complaining were old, and that's what old people do.

• 1:12:01Speaker 06

  I gotta steal. Also, he got rid of the lion because it destroyed his house.

• 1:12:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:12:06Speaker 06

  It was difficult to do and expensive to keep, and it was becoming out of liability.

• 1:12:09Speaker 05

  He had a lot of feelings and didn't know how to deal with them. Yeah, and he also, for some reason, decided to curse the director of the San Francisco Zoo, who was seemingly doing Anton a favor.

• 1:12:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, dude, honestly, he's trying to fucking help, bro.

• 1:12:20Speaker 05

  Well, LaVey claimed that he put all of his frustrations into a crystal baboon figure in a ritual chamber belonging to a friend. And while we could find no articles whatsoever about this supposed incident, because you'd think the paper would've covered this.

• 1:12:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:33Speaker 05

  LaVey said that shortly after he made all these curses on the baboon figure, the director of the San Francisco Zoo was killed by apes.

• 1:12:40Speaker 06

  Well, I just did the whole thing on the San Francisco Zoo, and that was definitely not in their list of incidents.

• 1:12:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't think he was killed by apes.

• 1:12:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, if anything, he would've been killed by Tatiana, who wasn't born yet.

• 1:12:51Speaker 05

  Exactly, yes. Now, Togar, meanwhile, was renamed Neil.

• 1:12:55Speaker 04

  Neil?

• 1:12:56Speaker 06

  We're calling him a fucking- Lion Neil?

• 1:13:00Speaker 05

  That's a terrible name for a lion.

• 1:13:02Speaker 06

  It's a lion!

• 1:13:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, and in 1972, he was sold to a film director named Noel Marshall, who kept Togar in his home in Sherman Oaks, here in the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles.

• 1:13:14Speaker 06

  Oh yeah, it's like, I, I, pretty certain I know the house.

• 1:13:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, and they kept a ton of animals there, because Marshall had a thing for lions as well. And in 1981, he directed the notoriously disastrous lion movie Roar.

• 1:13:27Speaker 06

  Oh, that fucking got Melanie Griffith's dad.

• 1:13:31Speaker 05

  Yep, but we're gonna get into that right now, because the production of this movie, weirdly, has an occult angle that has nothing to do with Anton LaVey. Because coincidence is something that follows Anton LaVey everywhere.

• 1:13:44Speaker 06

  It's just the truth.

• 1:13:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, and Togar, by the way, was one of the stars of Roar. Now, this lion movie, described as both the most dangerous movie ever made, and the most expensive home movie ever made, it is fucking insane. It stars Tippi Hendren from The Birds, who was married to Marshall, their daughter Melanie Griffith, she's the co-star, and Jan DeBont, who directed Twister and Speed, was the cinematographer on this movie.

• 1:14:12Speaker 06

  Whoa!

• 1:14:13Speaker 05

  It took five years to complete this film, because the big cats like Togar were less than cooperative. And as a result, over 70 cast and crew members were injured by big cats in both small and nearly fatal incidents during filming.

• 1:14:29Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:14:30Speaker 05

  A lion cutely named Cherries, she bit Tippi Hendren's head hard enough to scrape her skull, Melanie Griffith almost lost an eye to another lion, she had to get cosmetic surgery.

• 1:14:41Speaker 06

  I mean, the rumor is, I don't know how true it is, but like, that she was almost scalped, and like, her fucking top of her head was flopping up and down.

• 1:14:48Speaker 05

  Well, actually, that's what happened to Jan DeBont.

• 1:14:50Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, that happened to Jan DeBont?

• 1:14:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, or, I guess it's Jan DeBont?

• 1:14:53Speaker 06

  Jan DeBont, yeah.

• 1:14:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, okay, yeah, that's what happened to Jan DeBont. He wasn't even a fucking actor, he was the cinematographer. He was fully scalped by the same lion that almost ate Tippi Hendren.

• 1:15:02Speaker 06

  Whoa!

• 1:15:03Speaker 05

  They said it took 220 stitches to put his scalp back on.

• 1:15:06Speaker 06

  Also, I gotta say, Roar is on-

• 1:15:09Speaker 04

  Watchable. It is a bad film. Yeah.

• 1:15:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, the director himself almost lost an arm after a lion bit his hand. That was just one of 11 serious injuries sustained by Noel Marshall, including gangrene and blood poisoning from all the bites. All this shit took years for him to recover from. Togar was actually one of the lead lions in the movie, but his previous good behavior was forgotten. He bit the assistant director in the throat and jaw before trying to chew off the AD's ears. This is after the AD accidentally cued an attack. Cause that's what would happen. They could just, you could make one movement.

• 1:15:45Speaker 04

  Hand movement.

• 1:15:45Speaker 05

  Hand movement, lion goes.

• 1:15:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's cause they refused to pay all the animal sag, you know, rates. That's the problem.

• 1:15:52Speaker 06

  They're like, you're omitting the union representative in here and then they fucking just attacked them.

• 1:15:56Speaker 04

  That's how it always is. Believe me, I work with Jeffrey Tambor.

• 1:16:01Speaker 05

  And this is just a small, small sampling of all the shit that went down during the production of Roar. The amount of sheer mayhem around this movie has caused people to call it a cursed production. But it's said that Roar's curse is merely an extension of another movie curse. Marshall had funded Roar with the money that he had made as a producer for The Exorcist.

• 1:16:23Speaker 04

  Oh, hell yeah.

• 1:16:25Speaker 05

  And it was rumored that Roar was plagued by the same satanic curse that made The Exorcist so difficult to film. Which I'm sure was all very amusing to Anton LaVey.

• 1:16:35Speaker 04

  I mean. It's just cause William Friedkin's kind of an asshole.

• 1:16:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, he's an asshole and he refrigerated the set and all that shit. And then, I mean, Roar was not cursed. It was filled with lions and tigers.

• 1:16:47Speaker 04

  Literally bloodthirsty predators. The Exorcist just had a very perfectionist director.

• 1:16:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:55Speaker 04

  That made things hard on the cast.

• 1:16:57Speaker 05

  Mm hmm. Yeah, and there was elephants too. Like an elephant almost killed someone in the film, during the filming of Roar.

• 1:17:02Speaker 04

  Hell yeah.

• 1:17:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, eh, get at him.

• 1:17:04Speaker 04

  This makes me think of Katy Perry.

• 1:17:07Speaker 05

  Why?

• 1:17:08Speaker 04

  Roar.

• 1:17:09Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:10Speaker 04

  I just think of her just fucking just floating through space naked.

• 1:17:13Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 1:17:14Speaker 04

  That, I don't know why that's my default.

• 1:17:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, well.

• 1:17:17Speaker 04

  Just her spinning through space, frozen and naked. Hell yeah.

• 1:17:20Speaker 05

  Dead?

• 1:17:22Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:17:22Speaker 05

  If she's frozen and naked in space, she's gonna be dead.

• 1:17:25Speaker 04

  Hmm, I guess so. Chili.

• 1:17:28Speaker 05

  Alright chili.

• 1:17:31Speaker 06

  I didn't really think about it that way, but...

• 1:17:33Speaker 05

  And partly, the Church of Satan's great success was very much a case of right place, right time. While San Francisco was already well-established as a counterculture hotspot by 1966, LeVey was also riding a wave of uncertainty sweeping America when it came to the role that religion was supposed to play in the modern world. On April 8th of that year, Time Magazine published a now infamous cover story with the headline asking, "Is God Dead?"

• 1:18:02Speaker 06

  Yep. If you gotta ask, he is. Yeah, man, yeah, exactly. Guess he hasn't shown up in a long time.

• 1:18:08Speaker 05

  Well, the whole point of the article was basically, you know, we used religion for so many years to explain the things about the natural world that we didn't understand. But now that we're in this era of modern science and we understand so many more things than we once did, what role does God play? Do we need God anymore? And therefore, is God dead?

• 1:18:28Speaker 06

  No!

• 1:18:30Speaker 05

  But just asking the question naturally caused a lot of outrage in the Christian establishment and also amongst Christians worldwide. But Anton LeVey was paying attention to not only the content of the article, but also the reaction. He immediately saw how publicly questioning the Christian God could translate into a lot of attention and a lot of publicity if you did it in the right way. So, taking inspiration from such occult institutions as the Hellfire Club and Aleister Crowley's Abbey of Thilema, and then sprinkling a lot of carnival atmosphere over the whole thing, Anton LeVey announced the founding of the

• 1:19:08Speaker 05

  Church of Satan on 1966, 60 years ago this month. And it is incredible that all these sixes show up in the same month that we did episode 666. And Walper Gistnacht is your birthday!

• 1:19:24Speaker 04

  Yep. No, it's kind of the whole thing. It's really strange. I'll always kind of think about the fact that all of that material was handed to me as I then also was cast on a show in which I played a devil and then I dealt with all that. We like, it's just, it's, it's very funny how it all shakes out. I also think that Anton LaVey was inspired by Scientology in terms of the money.

• 1:19:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, well.

• 1:19:45Speaker 04

  And understanding that you can do that, that you can just set up a actual religion.

• 1:19:50Speaker 05

  I'm really excited next episode to talk about Sammy Davis Jr., Poor Devil, and Your Pretty Face is Going to Hell, and how they all come together.

• 1:19:57Speaker 04

  I just love Sammy Davis Jr. and fucking the whole thing. Yeah, cat, yeah, see, hell Satan now, baby.

• 1:20:03Speaker 06

  He's amazing. 666 always was a big day for me too, because that was the day I moved to New York City to become a comedian.

• 1:20:08Speaker 05

  That's amazing. And you know, my very first apartment in New York City, the address was 666 St. Nicholas Avenue. St. Nicholas is another word for Santa, and Santa is an anagram for Satan.

• 1:20:20Speaker 04

  That was on.

• 1:20:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, dude, fuck yeah. He fucking made us, man. Fucking, and I feel his power in my fucking veins. I'm holding your forty cocks.

• 1:20:29Speaker 04

  I will fucking, I'm gonna kill God. I'm gonna fucking kill God. I quit last week. I'm gonna fucking kill God.

• 1:20:36Speaker 05

  LaVey declared 1966 to be Anosatanus, year one of the Satanic calendar. But considering the year and the city in which it was founded, the Church of Satan was not the party you'd assume it to be. The church actually forbade the use of drugs and hallucinogens because they, quote, "impeded the effective control over one's surroundings." Alcohol was allowed, but only in moderation, and it was often served at Church of Satan parties as a concoction called Goblin Juice, and it was usually served from a toilet. So it kind of gave you like, it, it, it, there was a hint of like, you know, don't get too drunk.

• 1:21:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, you might want, yeah, which is, he's, but he was always about that. He was always like that. He was, he's not a teetotaller, but he was close to it.

• 1:21:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:21:23Speaker 06

  Meanwhile, the Catholics are giving wine to children.

• 1:21:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, and then the old kids get fucking chlamydia from sharing the goblet with everybody.

• 1:21:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, and herpes.

• 1:21:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:21:33Speaker 05

  Now, after the Church of Satan opened its doors, they began attracting misfits of every type, from the mentally ill with delusions of grandeur to curious knowledge seekers who felt like the hippie counterculture was lacking a distinct edge. LeVey, in fact, hated hippies. He called them "the final de-evolution of man."

• 1:21:51Speaker 06

  Whatever, bro.

• 1:21:52Speaker 04

  No, he was, well, because I actually fully believe-

• 1:21:55Speaker 05

  He saw them as lazy. They're lazy. Like, they're just smoking, they're just doing drugs, and they're not doing anything.

• 1:22:00Speaker 06

  Fuck, yeah.

• 1:22:01Speaker 04

  Well, the one thing that he did, well, yeah. His real point was, you know what he was really against was the idea of, at the time, the idea of free love.

• 1:22:10Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:22:11Speaker 04

  That is what he was specifically against.

• 1:22:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, he liked to pay for it.

• 1:22:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, he liked to pee pee and poo poo. But no, his thing was, "I don't think you deserve to be loved just for existing." The free love movement was all about how everyone should be loved, no matter what they do, and you create an absolution-type environment for anybody that wants to come and kind of try to forgive themselves first, and then you guys can all be, like, this idea that we all should be loved no matter what. Anton LeVey is trying to say, "Earn my love."

• 1:22:41Speaker 06

  Yeah. And I will say that I believe, I could be wrong because I don't know much about Anton LeVey, the hippie movement was invaded by bikers and criminals, and I don't think this one was.

• 1:22:53Speaker 04

  The hippie movement failed.

• 1:22:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:22:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, they all became fucking bankers and shit.

• 1:22:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, oh, yeah, no, they failed completely. Well, and it's also the, just the simple fact that free love doesn't work.

• 1:23:03Speaker 04

  No, it's actually caused quite a bit of rape.

• 1:23:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:23:06Speaker 04

  Yes, it did.

• 1:23:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, it caused a lot of, a lot, a lot, a lot of problems. See, it just wasn't, and that's the thing is that Anton LeVey did understand people, at the very least. He did understand people, and he did realize that, you know, people do need, we need rules.

• 1:23:20Speaker 06

  Right.

• 1:23:21Speaker 05

  We do need some, we need at least a personal code that we need to live by, and, but he also understood that having a deity as the arbiter of those rules didn't work. It's like, if you're only not- Committing crimes and doing horrible things because you're afraid that God will punish you for it, then you're a real piece of shit. Like, you need, every man and woman needs to do things because it's the right thing to do.

• 1:23:47Speaker 04

  For society.

• 1:23:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, for society.

• 1:23:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, and I think the only hippie band that could use a calliope was Blood, Sweat & Tears.

• 1:23:53Speaker 04

  I mean, they would really be able to back that up because they got the sound.

• 1:23:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:23:57Speaker 04

  But it's hard, it's a very loud instrument.

• 1:24:00Speaker 04

  It's hard to do.

• 1:24:01Speaker 06

  Loud, man!

• 1:24:05Speaker 05

  Whether the people coming to the Church of Satan were mentally unbalanced or merely weird, many of them that were attracted to the Church of Satan, they wanted to use ritual magic to gain successes that they felt they were rightfully owed, but had been denied for one reason or another. In one example of a revenge ritual, the congregates would arrive to a satanic black mass dressed as the person they hated and wanted to curse. They would then spend the evening acting and talking like their nemesis. Then, at the end of the night, the congregates would symbolically kill their nemesis through the casting of spells. Henry, for example, if he were to do this, would show up, act, and talk like Eddie Redmayne all night.

• 1:24:42Speaker 04

  "Oh, I'm a lady. Oh, I'm just a lady. Oh, don't worry about me. Lady best act on the world. So skinny and wonderful." No, yeah, but I do think that magically this kind of makes sense. But you know what's funny is that practically, I think you could, you'd be surprised what you learn walking around in the shoes of the person you hate all night.

• 1:25:05Speaker 05

  Probably.

• 1:25:06Speaker 04

  Like, I actually bet you you end up getting a form of empathy from doing it. And that's kind of what he was even saying, like, even just the curse part of it. It's not even that, it's more like you need to accept it yourself. Like, you need to figure out how to get over other people's thoughts of you.

• 1:25:20Speaker 06

  Hey, man, I'm gonna hate Jimmy John no matter how many sandwiches I eat.

• 1:25:23Speaker 04

  Well, he's a piece of shit.

• 1:25:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, and this is, it's incredibly nerdy shit, but the idea was that the participant would gain new confidence from the magical act. And they would return to the world with the poise needed to obtain success in the realms of money, love, or vengeance, depending on their wish. Now, one of the things that's often left out of the history of the Church of Satan is that it was co-founded and built from the ground up by LaVey's partner, Diane Higarty. Diane took care of the administrative duties at the church, including collecting the $25 membership fees and producing and distributing all the merch. As we all know, merch is key to being sticky, and Diane made sure that LaVey's books, records, plaques, medallions, and membership cards, everyone loves a lanyard.

• 1:26:11Speaker 04

  Everybody likes a lanyard.

• 1:26:12Speaker 05

  She made sure that all of that shit made it out to the growing number of Satanists around the country. And so, with Diane's help, Anton LaVey became the first person to found an organization that was dedicated to Satan and the delights of the flesh. Basically, Satanism is a sort of, it's kind of a mix of like Ayn Rand-style selfishness and hedonism, but with the caveat that nothing you do should ever hurt anyone else, children especially. The child caveat was added early on, because it seems like LaVey predicted the Satanic Panic of the 80s, in which Satanists would be accused of molesting and/or murdering children en masse without a single shred of evidence.

• 1:26:50Speaker 06

  Wow, it's interesting that a man who married a child wanted to protect them so much.

• 1:26:54Speaker 04

  Who was back in the 1950s? They weren't there. They weren't children yet. We just made them kids now. See, I do think the most important thing the Church of Satan enters, which is the thing that I think why it's worth anything, is all of the layers of consent.

• 1:27:11Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:27:12Speaker 04

  There are, in Satanism, there are many, many layers of consent. It is all about you choosing. The idea that what Christianity proposes is a boilerplate view of reality. They think that like when you're Christian, that you're just like, it's a Christian world, and there's nothing you can do about it, and you're walking around with these rules created arbitrarily by an unknowing, unfeeling deity far above you, that you now are supposed to walk around like a fucking puppet. This thing's supposed to be like, no, you choose.

• 1:27:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:27:42Speaker 06

  Yeah. Also, it seems like the Church of Satan is better to women.

• 1:27:46Speaker 05

  Far better.

• 1:27:47Speaker 04

  Well, he stole everything from women that ever, every idea he had was stolen from women. He loved women, truly, and I duly, completely understand it. Anton LaVey worshipped women, but he definitely plagiarized most of his best ideas from women.

• 1:28:00Speaker 05

  Yeah. That is true.

• 1:28:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's great. No, he loves what he trusted women. Women were an extremely important part of the Church of Satan. He actually viewed women as morally superior to men.

• 1:28:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, and as far as like consent goes, the stuff the Church of Satan was doing, like they were talking about ideas of consent in the late 60s that really only became a part of the culture at like, just I would say, American culture at large in 2020, maybe 2015, you know, like those ideas of consent, yeah, they were around for a long time, it's just that they were buried in the Church of Satan.

• 1:28:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, because the hippie movement was a whole misogynistic thing that we didn't really understand that was game towards being like, oh no, man, we all ball each other, man. It's like, sometimes-

• 1:28:51Speaker 06

  A lot of dangerous people hid inside of the hippie movement.

• 1:28:53Speaker 04

  A lot of them did.

• 1:28:54Speaker 05

  Many dangerous people.

• 1:28:55Speaker 06

  I'm a hippie sympathizer, and I know that's true.

• 1:28:56Speaker 04

  Charles Manson, number one.

• 1:28:58Speaker 05

  Yeah. Now, one of the things that made the Church of Satan so successful, both in gaining supporters and in attracting enemies, was its effectively spooky imagery, much of which is styled around the sigil of the goat-headed occult figure, Baphomet.

• 1:29:11Speaker 04

  That's why if you can get a chance, get the out-of-print book The Command to Look. It is all this. This is everything. It's the heart of- I had no idea. I'm a fucking student of Satanism, and I had no idea until I just got this book.

• 1:29:24Speaker 05

  Hell, yeah. Well, the sigil of the Church of Satan was an inverted pentagram containing a goat's head surrounded by five stylized Hebrew letters that spelled out the words, Leviathan, one of the crown princes of hell.

• 1:29:36Speaker 04

  Leviathan. It's one of the crown princes of hell. It's no big deal.

• 1:29:39Speaker 05

  But that goat was based on Baphomet. Now, Baphomet was the right figure for Anton LaVey to choose here, and not just because Baphomet is the coolest-looking and most recognizable figure in all of Occultum.

• 1:29:53Speaker 06

  Pretty awesome.

• 1:29:54Speaker 05

  To jog your memory, Baphomet is the hermaphroditic goat-headed figure with gigantic horns and wings, sitting cross-legged with one hand pointed up and the other hand pointed down. It certainly appears demonic, but it was in no way meant to be a representation of Satan.

• 1:30:09Speaker 04

  Every single time, I'm gonna let you know this, this is one of my fucking biggest pet peeves. I see Baphomet being used as a representative of Satan in a movie. I shut it off. I really shut it off. It shows that everything else is wrong. You've just completely fucked it all up. As soon as you're saying that Baphomet's like the devil and it's supposed to be scary, the pentagrams are scary. It's like, oh, you're you're a moron.

• 1:30:31Speaker 06

  I remember in Boca, we had the Christmas tree and then like everyone was like, well, if you're gonna have a Christmas tree, you gotta have a menorah. And then like the Satanists in Boca got a they were they applied and got a Baphomet sculpture in the middle of the same place.

• 1:30:44Speaker 05

  That's fun as hell. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I love Baphomet statues around. Yeah, they're awesome. Yeah, actually, I have a Baphomet statue in my home. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that my brother-in-law got me for Christmas. It was great.

• 1:30:55Speaker 04

  It's nice. I'm trying to see you.

• 1:30:56Speaker 05

  It was very sweet. Well, the word Baphomet actually first appears during the Crusades in 1307 as a sort of weapon to be used by the French crown against the warriors of the Crusades, the Knights Templar. See, the King of France felt that the Templars were becoming too powerful, so he declared that the Templars were worshiping an idolatrous bearded figure called Baphomet. And he had many of the Templars arrested and tortured based on this accusation.

• 1:31:24Speaker 04

  And you remember the reason why they did that, too, is because they were running protection for all the treasures coming back from the Crusades. And eventually they said, what if we just keep the treasures?

• 1:31:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:31:33Speaker 04

  And then they just said, then they made him Satanist.

• 1:31:35Speaker 05

  It's about money.

• 1:31:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:31:35Speaker 05

  Well, I mean, it's not even Satanist. I mean, it's weird. It's in reality, Baphomet was a corruption of the medieval European word for Muhammad, who, of course, was worshipped by the other side in the Crusades.

• 1:31:48Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 1:31:49Speaker 05

  That medieval European word was Mahomet, which became Baphomet. Yeah, it's basically saying that they were worshippers of Muhammad, but they kind of created a new sort of person.

• 1:32:03Speaker 04

  An extra evil Muhammad.

• 1:32:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, an extra evil Muhammad that that only the Knights Templar worshipped, but it was all based on basically Islamophobia. Baphomet came back in the 19th century, when it was said that he became the subject of worship of another secret society, the Freemasons. French occultist Alephus Levi took this rumor and ran. With it. He gave Baphomet light. He designed the Baphomet we all know today for his 1854 book, The Doctrine and Ritual of High Magic. Looking for a figure that would represent a balancing of opposing forces, Levi reimagined Baphomet as a hermaphroditic winged figure with the head and feet of a goat. He then adorned his illustration with esoteric symbols galore, and in doing so,

• 1:32:48Speaker 05

  created one of the most metal images in history. But as far as how Baphomet came to represent Satan, Levi's illustration was simplified and used for the devil card in the popular Rider Waite tarot deck in 1909. And that, of course, sealed Baphomet's association with the Christian devil. This imagery was picked up by Aleister Crowley and eventually Anton LaVey, who both understood how powerful of an image Baphomet was. LaVey also understood how valuable his image of Baphomet was. And in 1981, his depiction of the occult figure became a registered trademark of the Church of Satan.

• 1:33:25Speaker 04

  Excellent. See, this is the thing. It's not evil. Like, Baphomet is, the reason why it works so well for esoteric symbolism is because when you look at it, you're like, oh my god, this evil god, this evil horned thing. But it's exactly what you said. It's technically just a symbol of the balance of the flows of male and feminine, dark and light, all of these things. It's about balance. It's not an evil figure at all. It just looks evil, which works great for people. And also, the devil card is not about something bad happening to you. It's about you getting several temptations and thinking about, and possibly changing what you're doing. It's about opening up your mind to other possibilities.

• 1:34:04Speaker 06

  Sounds like it's a similar image as justice.

• 1:34:07Speaker 04

  Certain. And justice doesn't even have her tits out. And she should. She should. If she wanted us to pay attention, yeah. Why are there no nipples on justice?

• 1:34:17Speaker 06

  I mean, they're there.

• 1:34:18Speaker 04

  There's no tits on justice.

• 1:34:19Speaker 05

  There can be. There sometimes is.

• 1:34:21Speaker 04

  She should flop them out.

• 1:34:22Speaker 05

  Sometimes they are flopped out. I remember in high school, there was a, there was somebody who got real upset about an exposed nipple on a justice statue.

• 1:34:31Speaker 04

  It's just unbelievable. Like, you're gonna jerk off to marble?

• 1:34:35Speaker 04

  I guess if you can, good on ya. You know, I need more than that. Suction machines, candles, alcohol. How is your suction machine, is it clean yet? It's honestly been struggling. It's really been struggling. I think it's going through depression.

• 1:34:49Speaker 05

  You should, yeah, you should change out the vacuum tubes.

• 1:34:52Speaker 04

  Oh, that's what it is, yeah, yeah, I got it all webbed up.

• 1:34:56Speaker 05

  Now, upon its founding, the Church of Satan almost immediately began attracting celebrities. But the first real celebrity to darken the door of the Church of Satan's black house was sex symbol and all-around groovy chick Jane Mansfield. Fucking love Jane Mansfield. As a busty blonde who was far smarter than she appeared, Jane Mansfield was supposed to be 20th Century Fox's answer to Marilyn Monroe. But after the blonde bombshell trope fell out of fashion in the 1960s, Mansfield started taking risks. She became the first American actress to perform a nude scene in a starring role, which naturally came with a lot of judgment and tut-tuts from the general public. This wasn't at all out of character for Jane Mansfield,

• 1:35:39Speaker 05

  because she'd already appeared in Playboy spreads throughout the 1950s. So she was sort of about like, what, what the fuck, who cares?

• 1:35:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, I already, yeah, I already did this thing.

• 1:35:47Speaker 05

  But according to some theories, Mansfield was looking for something to put her back into the spotlight in the mid 1960s. And after being judged harshly for her sexuality, here was Anton LaVey, who had founded a church no less, saying that it was alright for you to be yourself. Mansfield therefore visited the Church of Satan when she was in San Francisco for a film festival in 1966. While Mansfield maintained that she remained Catholic, she thought that Anton LaVey was a genius, or at the very least, a very interesting person. So she participated in a few rituals as a curiosity. Jane Mansfield was also highly intelligent and just as self-aware as Anton LaVey. So the two of them formed a sort of symbiotic friendship.

• 1:36:32Speaker 05

  Mansfield made the Church of Satan sexy, while Anton LaVey made Mansfield a little dangerous and a little hip.

• 1:36:39Speaker 04

  And man, Michael Aquino's such a jealous little fucking bitch. That's my whole take on it too, cuz he's like, um, Jane Mansfield. She, uh, she had a, maybe a sort of passing fancy of Anton. But he was certainly Anton's tribe. There was no way Jane Mansfield would ever be into Anton LaVey on his own. And it's like, whole thing being like, you just, you fucking unfuckable nerd. It was definitely, I do believe it was a two-way street.

• 1:37:07Speaker 06

  No chicks were in the keno.

• 1:37:09Speaker 04

  Not a single one. Look at his eyebrows. He was like, yeah, sometimes I wanna fuck the bad boy dude, sorry.

• 1:37:15Speaker 06

  Mansfield's a good get though.

• 1:37:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:37:19Speaker 05

  Well, interestingly, while Jane Mansfield's life, it was certainly rocky before she even met Anton LaVey. It truly began falling apart in the most tragic ways after their friendship began. See, this is when Anton still had Togar the Lion. And Mansfield's young son, Zoltan, who just coincidentally had the same name as LaVey's leopard.

• 1:37:38Speaker 06

  Whoa.

• 1:37:39Speaker 05

  He became enamored with the lion.

• 1:37:40Speaker 06

  Uh oh.

• 1:37:41Speaker 05

  So when Mansfield took Zoltan to an animal park called Jungleland USA. Zoltan got too close to a wild lion because the kid thought that the big cat wanted to play. The lion attacked, bit Zoltan hard enough to fracture the child's skull. And then bit him again and ruptured his spleen.

• 1:37:58Speaker 04

  What the fuck?

• 1:37:59Speaker 05

  Zoltan survived, but just barely. What happened next though, is shrouded in mystery, multiple versions of the same story, and a lot of legend. That event, of course, is the grisly and gruesome death of Jane Mansfield in 1967. And this is just a year after she met Anton LaVey. In one version of the story, the whole tragedy began when LaVey gave a tour of the black house to Mansfield and her boyfriend, Sam Brody, who is also her divorce lawyer.

• 1:38:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, he is one of those. He, he really worked it out.

• 1:38:33Speaker 05

  LaVey warned both of them as they were walking through the house. Don't touch anything, but particularly, stay away from the candles shaped like skulls. But Brody wandered off and lit a skull candle anyway. While LaVey was presenting Mansfield with an official Baphomet pendant.

• 1:38:52Speaker 04

  Look what I did, honey. I directly divide the majesty's orders. Isn't this a wonderful evening?

• 1:39:01Speaker 06

  You're still going through that divorce, right?

• 1:39:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, just wanna make sure.

• 1:39:04Speaker 05

  Now, when LaVey saw that the candle had been lit, he told Jane Mansfield that the skull candles were only used for curses. And since there was no magical direction when Sam Brody lit the candle, LaVey had no idea what was gonna happen to the two of them now that Brody had lit one. In another account, far more dramatic, upon seeing the lit candle, LaVey got agitated and shouted,

• 1:39:25Speaker 04

  You will both be killed in a tragic car accident within a year. And what happens will be very something. And what happens will be very something.

• 1:39:37Speaker 04

  Like, oh, boom! Whoa, ding dang, boom, whoa.

• 1:39:46Speaker 04

  Crushing kinda thing.

• 1:39:48Speaker 06

  I love people who can exploit a good old tragedy.

• 1:39:51Speaker 04

  Of course, well, he was before the tragedy, he just set it up.

• 1:39:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's not even, he's not even done yet. In yet another account, LaVey said that Mansfield had asked him to put a curse on her ex-husband, Mickey Hargitay, so she could get full custody of her children. This, however, is a lie because Mansfield had already been granted full custody before she even met LaVey. LaVey also claimed that he and Mansfield had a sexual relationship, that Jane was madly in love with him and would call several times a day to ask him to cast spells that would help her career. During one phone call, LaVey said Jane's boyfriend grabbed the phone and told him to cease all communication, "Stop talking to Jane." So, LaVey cursed Brody, declaring that he would be dead within one year.

• 1:40:34Speaker 04

  I cursed you.

• 1:40:35Speaker 05

  As it went, Brody was dead within a year, but so was Jane Mansfield. On June 29th, 1967, Jane, her boyfriend Brody, her driver, and three of her kids were driving to New Orleans when their Buick slammed into a truck. The top of their car was sheared off, killing Jane and the two men instantly. She was not decapitated, as the legend goes, but her skull was crushed.

• 1:41:01Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:41:02Speaker 05

  As far as the kids in the car went, they all survived, including Jane Mansfield's daughter. That daughter was Mariska Hargitay, who you probably know best as Detective Olivia Benson from Law and Order SVU.

• 1:41:16Speaker 04

  No nonsense, ladies, she's super tall.

• 1:41:20Speaker 04

  She's beautiful.

• 1:41:21Speaker 06

  James Mansfield should have been shorter. She would have lived.

• 1:41:23Speaker 04

  You're right. It's her fault. You're right, Eddie. Fuck her, man. Fuck her huge breasts.

• 1:41:30Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:41:31Speaker 04

  No, never.

• 1:41:32Speaker 05

  No, she's got, it's one of my favorite graves at Hollywood forever.

• 1:41:34Speaker 04

  Oh, it is?

• 1:41:35Speaker 05

  She's got a really great, uh, stone.

• 1:41:37Speaker 06

  It does. Yeah, all of her dogs are with her too, right?

• 1:41:38Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm. Well, according to legend.

• 1:41:41Speaker 04

  I'm a beautiful, beautiful woman.

• 1:41:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:41:43Speaker 04

  God damn.

• 1:41:44Speaker 05

  But when Jane Mansfield was killed.

• 1:41:48Speaker 05

  We could talk all day about the attractiveness of Jane Mansfield, yeah. But when Jane Mansfield was killed, Anton LaVey tried including himself in the story, although I do not think it came off anywhere near as cool as LaVey thought it would. He claimed that one day in 1967, he made a fatal mistake while making a Church of Satan scrapbook.

• 1:42:10Speaker 06

  No, I lost my movie stamp!

• 1:42:14Speaker 06

  I knew I should have hired a historian!

• 1:42:18Speaker 05

  While cutting out an article on Marilyn Monroe, LaVey said his scissors slipped, and he accidentally cut a photo of Jane Mansfield across the neck. This put an accidental curse on Mansfield. And LaVey's scrapbook story, which he told over and over and over again, that did a lot of the heavy lifting in contributing to the still persisting rumor that Mansfield was decapitated during the car crash that killed her.

• 1:42:43Speaker 06

  I thought she was until this moment.

• 1:42:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, honestly, I'm kinda sad that she wasn't.

• 1:42:46Speaker 05

  It actually, that all, it's all Anton LaVey.

• 1:42:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. Really?

• 1:42:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:42:49Speaker 04

  Hey, you know, it's a great story.

• 1:42:50Speaker 05

  Don't get me wrong. Head was crushed.

• 1:42:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:42:53Speaker 05

  Unrecognizable, completely.

• 1:42:55Speaker 04

  But be popped off. I mean, again, that's a little bit of a, that's a little X-factor that Anton LaVey kinda adds that we miss. We miss around here.

• 1:43:03Speaker 05

  But Jane Mansfield was not the only celebrity to become interested in the Church of Satan. Nor was the Church of Satan free from other infamous figures. Join us next week as we cover Anton's involvement with Susan Atkins of the Manson family, his fight with Temple of Set founder and Satanic panic figure Michael Aquino, and the fascinating story of how Mr. Show Business himself, Sammy Davis Jr., became heavily involved. With Anton LaVey's Church of Satan, reportedly until the day he died.

• 1:43:34Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, man.

• 1:43:35Speaker 06

  Cool.

• 1:43:35Speaker 04

  Sammy Davis Jr. Loved Satan. Mr. Bojangles, man.

• 1:43:40Speaker 06

  I love it, man.

• 1:43:41Speaker 04

  You know?

• 1:43:41Speaker 06

  Sammy is cool as hell.

• 1:43:42Speaker 04

  He really is.

• 1:43:43Speaker 05

  Now, I actually plan on telling like his full story because you, because for me like Sammy Davis Jr. As a Satanist always sounded like a joke, but I, you know, I just got in looking into it. It was absolutely real. And of course, then there's the question. It's like, it's Sammy Davis Jr. How does Sammy, how does one of the Rat Pack become a Satanist? It makes total perfect sense.

• 1:44:03Speaker 04

  It literally all makes sense. I just watched an amazing documentary, Sammy Davis Jr. And it makes total sense because he really was like, he was more Jewish than any other Jewish guy around him. Like literally, they all went to him. Like he became so Jewish that like Billy Crystal said he treated him like his own personal rabbi. Then anytime he had problems with, he would like call Sammy Davis Jr. Up and he would go on about the Torah. And then he taught himself Hebrew. He was primed for Satanism in a way. He was primed. He was a seeker.

• 1:44:34Speaker 05

  He was a seeker. Yeah. Cause it went, his, his evolution went Scientology, Judaism, Satanism.

• 1:44:40Speaker 06

  That's awesome.

• 1:44:41Speaker 04

  It's really interesting. We'll get there. And also next week, we'll talk about how I can already hear you fucking, which is the use. I'll use the slur that Anton LaVey used for all of you, occult nicks. I've heard about, I know that you occult nicks are already kind of upset about the fact that I'm talking shit about Michael Aquino. Because we do know he's technically a good guy, which is hilarious. Like he's technically a good man. He's a way better guy than Anton LaVey. He just happens to be way worse at everything else.

• 1:45:11Speaker 06

  It's just super annoying.

• 1:45:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:45:12Speaker 05

  He's really, and he's very annoying.

• 1:45:14Speaker 04

  But the people love his fucking ass. That's why no one trusts the Democrats. We're so annoying. That's the problem. Look at his ass.

• 1:45:21Speaker 05

  Don't fucking put we in there.

• 1:45:22Speaker 04

  Look at his Eddie Munster fucking ass.

• 1:45:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, he's ugly.

• 1:45:26Speaker 04

  I ain't no fucking. Give me credit.

• 1:45:28Speaker 05

  I also want to say.

• 1:45:28Speaker 04

  I can't do nothing. You don't even know. I, I, I'm a libertarian. The true way of the future.

• 1:45:35Speaker 05

  Oh, and also I want to say, R I P to Schooners in Lubbock. My, my long, my long time bar.

• 1:45:40Speaker 04

  Oh, really?

• 1:45:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, the, the, the, the old fucking, you know, muck and grime that was Schooners. After 30 years, it's finally closing down.

• 1:45:50Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:45:50Speaker 05

  Man, so I gotta say, R I P to Schooners, all, all you folk out there in Lubbock that are, that are still going. Go have one on me. Go, go have a schooner, a Bud Light and a fucking Marlboro red and relive my college days.

• 1:46:04Speaker 04

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• 1:46:28Speaker 06

  June 27th, Grand Rapids, Michigan at the GLC Live at 20 Monroe. Uh, July 17th, Tulsa, Oklahoma, Kane's Ballroom and July 18th, Oklahoma City, Tower Theater. Those are the last three J K Ultra shows, but don't worry, we will be announcing some more down the pipe.

• 1:46:46Speaker 04

  Interesting. We cannot wait. So go check out, also check out H E X 2. It is kicking, season two on LPN TV and the brighter side's got new shit going on.

• 1:46:55Speaker 06

  The finals are coming, dude.

• 1:46:56Speaker 04

  It's coming, dude. Someplace underneath's got new material coming out. They'll be on Romanci. Uh, go check that shit out on our YouTube page.

• 1:47:04Speaker 06

  Hell, yeah. And I'm hitting the road myself. I got a lot of shows coming up. Go and see that on eddytunes.com. I'm coming to all kinds of cities, including San Francisco. So let's go have some fun.

• 1:47:14Speaker 04

  Great. Well, Hill sweet, sweet and hail Satan. And it's good to say it when it's proper.

• 1:47:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:47:19Speaker 04

  Full throated. Hail Satan.

• 1:47:21Speaker 05

  True. How game.

• 1:47:21Speaker 06

  Yeah. And on these like 666, 667 episodes, I would like to hail the wonderful Rob O'Keefe. For all the work you do on this show, buddy.

• 1:47:31Speaker 05

  Rob, hell, Rob. Yeah, Rob works his ass off. Thank you, Rob. Hell, Rob.

• 1:47:36Speaker 06

  Some woman buy him. Can some woman come and buy my Rob, please? He's for sale. I'll sell you to him.