"I Searched For Evidence..." (w/ Matt + Bowen)

The Golden Globe-shortlisted podcast Las Culturistas returns for another Culture Catchup. This week, Bowen hits DC (as Gaga once did) to see Lincoln’s house and clock the vibes, and Matt searches for evidence (as Gaga once did) in order to hold rollercoasters accountable. Also, Resident Evil and video game to film adaptations, Michelle Branch and concert etiquette, Gillian Anderson and theater etiquette, scrolling through for Flo Pugh, and the beginning of a blatant and shameless FYC campaign. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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  Hey, everybody. It's me, Matt, and my tour is on sale now. This time, it's really Christmas. You can go to www.mattrogersofficial.com. Podcasts are a visual medium. If you're not watching me right now, I am holding in my hands my vinyl. It's called Have You Heard of Christmas? The answer to that question is coming. At this time, it's really Christmas. I'm playing all over the country, and in London, and in Canada. That makes it a world tour. Harry Styles, you're on burn notice. I'll see you soon.

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  I think Brad Newsholz has her best lyric, which can compete with He Want to Fuck Later, Richard Richard Linklater, which is, "He want that head white and blue, if you know what I mean."

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  Totally.

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  Genius.

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  Yeah.

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  White cum, blue balls, just in case people don't get it.

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  Yeah, white cum, blue balls.

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  So can I ask a question, though? It's like, when there's white cum, you no longer have blue balls.

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  Well, I think he's good either way.

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  Am I right, guys?

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  Look, man. Oh, I see. Wow. Bowen, look over there. Is that culture? Yes.

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  Los Culturistas.

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  Ding dong, Los Culturistas calling.

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  Happy Friday.

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  Happy Friday. Wow, I guess that's a kind of thing we can say weekly.

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  Let's talk about the word Friday. I think

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  Break it down.

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  A huge part of the vibe and the sort of aura of Friday is that

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  Behind the aura!

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  Of the word Friday here on Los Cult. I think the fact that it has the word fry in it is really doing a lot of the work.

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  Yeah, well, and also, it speaks to how we feel at the end of the week, fried.

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  But, oh, that's interesting, because the word fry, to me, has like a fun, sort of like

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  Certainly better than grilled. It's not as healthy for you as grilled.

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  But so tasty.

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  Yeah, I love fried stuff.

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  And in Mandarin, I'll say in Mandarin at least, the word is yozha, and zha is like kind of fun, too. It's kind of a pizzazzi.

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  Is that the word for fried, or is that the word for Friday?

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  Yo is, yo is, no, no, no. Friday is xingxiu, which is day five.

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  So different.

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  So that's literal. Let's not talk about that. But just the word fry in Mandarin is

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  Yeah.

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  yozha, or zha, yo is oil, but zha is like fry. And I think just like the word fry, to me, in English, let's get back to English.

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  Yeah.

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  Let's go back to Anglo.

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  Let's go back.

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  Back to the beginning.

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  The beginning, the English, the first language.

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  The first language. I think fry is a fun word.

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  Absolutely.

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  That's all.

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  We'll use it in a sense. Tell everybody how you use it the best, the way you can.

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  Well, it was gay rights. Fighting for gay rights, people were killed.

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  They weren't killed.

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  Nobody was killed, Stonewall.

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  No one was killed.

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  Nobody was killed.

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  They were fried.

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  They were fried. I guess I

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  Because they were so high on marijuana.

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  I guess I wasn't considering fried as a negative connotation, which yes, it is.

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  Can I give you a note?

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  Speaking of marijuana, yes, go.

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  Consider more.

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  I wa-

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  Just try considering more, for Christ's sake.

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  Thank, I will.

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  Are you gonna say, "Speaking of"? What's my marijuana journey?

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  Do you want to share?

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  I'll share.

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  I think this is important.

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  It actually is, and I should be held accountable.

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  No, no, no.

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  No, no, but yes. I have, I'm ready to admit, and I think I have, I'm a full-blown THC addict, and I've decided I can no longer have it in my house.

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  That's huge.

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  Yeah.

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  I think we should have listened to Lady Gaga circa 2015, 16, right before Joanne.

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  THC is addictive.

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  Because people don't realize that marijuana can be addictive. She was addicted to weed.

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  I see her, feel her, and in so many ways, m her.

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  We had a Gaga moment this week when I was in DC where you, for some reason, I mean, it should be top of mind always, but you really tied my, just the fact that I was in Washington DC with Gaga saying

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  I said, "I want to see the Capitol." And I searched for evidence. Just her in her, was it House of Gucci Press?

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  It was House of Gucci Press.

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  It's so, she's so like giving Italian, like, Italiana, like Adriana Soprano's vibes. I said, "I want to see the Capitol."

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  I said, "I want to see the Capitol."

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  Like, as if it's something you can go there and demand to see. But Lady Gaga really said, "It's the people's house."

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  It is the people's house.

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  Did it feel like that when you were just there?

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  Certainly not.

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  Vibes are off in DC.

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  Vibes are really bad in DC.

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  But I wonder if the gays and the girlies, like, left.

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  Well, they were certainly there when I was there, because it was the same week that Olivia Rodrigo is playing in the Capital One Arena.

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  Totally.

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  And I walked past there to go to see Resident Evil at the Regal Gallery Place.

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  Culture Catchup.

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  Culture Catchup. Loved it. We'll get to that later. Loved Zack Craigere. Cast some gay comedians for once.

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  I would, I would love to do it.

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  Every straight comedian's in his movies.

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  Every single one.

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  Whitmer Thomas, Zach Cherry, Griffin Newman.

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  I got lots to say about straight comedians today.

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  I do love them, and we need them. They're an important part of the ecosystem, but I think Zack Craigere can, you know, have some, have some queer UCB years circa 2015.

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  Do you have any idea how many people would pay double to see us get killed in one of those movies?

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  I would have

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  Double. They'd be like, "Oh, Matt and Bowen are getting fried in a real way."

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  Fried, yozha.

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  I also feel like we're about to be yozha.

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  Pretty good.

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  Did I hit it too hard?

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  No, your tones are off, but that's okay. It's so hard.

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  Yozha.

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  Yo.

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  Yo.

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  Yo.

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  Yo.

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  Za.

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  Za. Yozha.

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  Pretty good.

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  Yozha.

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  I'm sorry, I'm gonna be, I just need to correct the curtain over here.

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  Behind the burka.

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  Behind the aura.

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  Behind the camera. Bowen is fixing

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  I guess that's just how it is.

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  Kind of maybe it's just how it is. I don't think it's on camera.

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  It's not on camera, but it's just in my eye line.

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  Yeah, for sure, for sure, for sure.

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  I'm being very Fade Dunaway, and I'm like, "Can you leave my eye line?"

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  I have a problem with the fact that there's no air in here.

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  In here. Open the door now.

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  I'm suffocating.

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  Suffocating.

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  I can't even think to answer a question.

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  We reference that every week.

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  It's often how I felt in here.

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  I, you do feel that way. Matt is going

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  No, I, they said they were gonna try to make it a little cooler.

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  This is your perimenopause aura, era.

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  I am in my perimenopause.

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  Paus.

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  Did I say that right? Yozha.

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  Yozha. That's good!

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  Yozha.

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  Yo.

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  Yo.

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  Yo, it's musical. Yo.

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  Yo.

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  Za.

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  Za.

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  Really good. Okay, so, so many things. Madonna. What was I saying earlier? Fade Dunaway. Oh, you're in my eye line. It's very distracting. Reminds me of Gillian Anderson telling a group of women outside of Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf on the West End that they cannot sit in the front row every single show, because these women have a lot of money, it seems.

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  And they come and they sit in the front row of Virginia Woolf every week, and Gillian Anderson had to accost them at the West End stage door.

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  And at stage door, she was like, and I think in her very boundaried way, I'm on her side, where she was like, "You guys can't, you guys can't come 20 times and be in the front row every time. It's very distracting."

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  It's distracting. And also, I think, so you can really speak to this.

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  Well

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  When you're onstage, you really can see the audience.

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  You can see it. In the words of Nathan Fielder, you can see everything.

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  You can see everything.

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  Yes. And literally, during the Mad Cat medley at the end last week, there was an old man I'm just gonna say, old guy.

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  Old guy.

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  Giving max brightness on his phone.

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  Sure.

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  While I'm singing my tits off mediocrely.

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  No. You sound like Celine.

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  I sing like.

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  You sound like Nicole.

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  And I was just giving it all to him in a way that like, I think the, the audience kind of was clocking, but I was like, I was like, can you get a load of this guy?

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  I mean, you already were sensitive to that. I've never seen like, a display of dominance, like.

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  That unique on the West End.

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  Unique in the West End. Again, West End. They're supposed to be like, they're supposed to have class.

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  In the middle of the show, she's on a fucking Google sheet.

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  She had two glasses of white wine in her hands on the Google sheet.

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  On me first, that would strike one.

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  That was, that wasn't the first thing with her.

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  That wasn't the first thing with her, in the words of your, your ex waiter at Nicky's on the Bay when he was 17. So then I turned her, when she was in the middle of the show, on her phone, looking at a Google sheet, I turned her, I go, you're at a, you're at, you're at.

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  You're at live theater.

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  You're at live theater.

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  He reached over me.

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  And then I said that.

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  You're at live theater.

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  And then I did say that to a little girl and her mother who kept pushing into us because they were reaching over their phone at the Eras Tour.

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  At the Eras Tour.

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  I go, you're at a concert.

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  Yeah.

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  And you gotta read, I'm gonna say it one more time, The Story of Your Life by Catherine Desermoin, she talks about this, how, what, the reason why we bring on our phones at concerts with nary an intention of watch those videos back for the rest of your fucking life, is because our emotional responses are so oriented towards like, reaching for our phones when we have a dysregulated moment. It's like, why are you recording?

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  So I'm gonna hashtag confront myself.

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  It's, it's not, I've done it?

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  No, we've all done it.

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  We've all done it.

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  But you have to have tact when you do it. And this, so this happened, right?

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  Last night.

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  So.

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  No.

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  Well, speaking of, well, I'll get to last night, but I wanna say, I randomly ended up seeing three, randomly, I'm always at this shit. But I saw Carly Rae Jepsen, you crushed that, because All Things Go was canceled.

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  Right.

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  Which was heartbreaking for many, but a lot of the acts ended up like doing pop-up shows. I got to go to Carly Rae Jepsen at Irving, so great, just, I was watching her and I was like, oh my God, I can't believe she came on our show. So effervescent and fabulous. And then I ended up, I had to go to LA for a wedding quickly.

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  Yes.

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  So I'm in sort of, I did a couple of things by myself, little solo things.

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  I love this.

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  And I'm ready to report on both, but first I'll say, I went to Michelle Branch.

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  Ugh.

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  At the Wiltern. And first I'll say, it, it's like, her music is like chicken soup. It is so like, ugh, it's, it's really, it just feels like it's hugging you from a time back then. And she sounds great, she sounds the same.

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  Love that.

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  Um, also, the crowd was, you're, you're there partying with everyone, like, there's incredibly like diverse, all ages crowd.

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  Fabulous.

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  Really just so supportive and loving and really good vibes. And then Lisa Loeb came out.

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  Amazing.

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  And they sang Stay Together.

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  Crazy.

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  And I was, I was literally emotional and I was like, wow, I don't think I'll ever see this song live again.

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  Oh.

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  You know what I mean? And I was like, this, that song, they started playing it, I realized how important it was to me.

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  Huge song.

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  It was so huge and I was so like young when it came out and I just remember seeing her in her glasses, like plainly addressing and it's just, like, her vocal is so distinct and just how, you know, direct it was and like, just something about that really affected me and watching her and Michelle Branch do it, and she too, sounds the same, she was so received by the audience. I recorded a little bit of it.

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  Which, again, you're allowed to do.

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  Yeah, but here's the thing, I posted it on Instagram and everyone was like, why is everyone talking?

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  Ah!

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  And I was like, you are right, it is a little bit wild when you go to these shows, you see how many people are just kind of talking through, especially when they're standing like in the back. I think we need to, a little, quiet down a little bit.

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  Pipe down.

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  Pipe down.

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  Lot of chatter going on.

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  Cause Lisa Loeb is on stage.

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  Period.

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  You know what I'm saying?

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  With Michelle Branch, the girl that I fantasized, I had a fantasy in middle school, while the spirit room was in my Discman, while I was in bed.

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  Mm-hmm.

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  Listening to the spirit room, to Sweet Misery, to You Get Me.

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  Mm-hmm.

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  To say nothing of all you wanted.

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  Of the hits.

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  Of the hits.

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  Woo!

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  I'm saying, but the deep cuts, I know like the back of my hand, goodbye to, I mean, come on.

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  Yeah.

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  I had fantasies in middle school of, one day, Michelle Branch is gonna show up to Laredo Middle School in suburban Colorado, and she's gonna do a concert in the gym, and she's gonna bring me on stage and we're gonna sing Sweet Misery together. Or we're gonna sing Everywhere together.

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  Now that you've put that out there, it's gonna happen.

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  Michelle.

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  Come to, oh, marry Michelle.

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  Come to, well, no, come to Laredo.

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  I'm inviting you.

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  If you wanna go to Laredo Middle School at any point, I will meet you there.

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  Officially know a guy.

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  You, I will meet you there.

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  Mm-hmm.

• 14:25Speaker 02

  We will perform in the gymnasium.

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  Yeah.

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  For 12-year-olds, I guess.

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  Yeah.

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  But that was my.

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  They'll be like, who are these people?

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  Oh my God, who the fuck are these people?

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  Who are these?

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  Get me, where, where are my feastables?

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  Honey, I'm here, I'm here for one thing, my feastables.

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  My feastables.

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  That's what, that's rule of culture. Honey.

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  I'm here.

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  Rule of culture number 34.

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  34.

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  Honey, I'm here for one thing, my feastables. I say that everywhere I go. Have you tried them? I certainly was saying it last night at the Slater concert.

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  You want, you wanted your feastables.

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  I feel like she is one big feastable.

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  Slater can do what Mr. Beast does, Mr. Beast can never do what Slater does, and that's a rule of culture, number five.

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  Slater can do what Mr. Beast does, Mr. Beast can never do what Slater does. Which includes performing like a rock star. It was a small space, it was a Spotify event, because she had announced Worst Man in America.

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  That day.

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  That day, out December 4th, I believe. And so I, I believe what we're having here is a good old fashioned Grammy campaign. And I think that Slater is, for me.

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  Yeah.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  Slam dunk for that best new artist nom. Like, at least that. Because what she's doing is at such a crazy energetic level and.

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  She's in good vocal health.

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  Always.

• 15:52Speaker 02

  After playing Terminal 5 and Brooklyn Paramount this weekend, selling those venues out, then going on Seth, then showing up to Deep Bushwick.

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  Mm-hmm.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  Or just Broadway Myrtle, let's say.

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  Yeah.

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  And screaming through electro punk, like rock shit.

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  Yeah.

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  Previous to new songs for us.

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  They were great.

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  One called, I Think He's Got a Girl, which we really loved.

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  That's really good. And then he, there's one called Hey Boy, which she played, like, just, she, she just played the record as she was leaving at the end and that was really good. I Think He's Got a Girl is really good.

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  Really great.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  It's more poppy than I think.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  More poppy than, and then she had, she had another song called Necromantic, which felt like a cousin to cannibalism.

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  Yeah.

• 16:31Speaker 02

  Like, very like, sort of surf rock, like, could be in like, you know, a John Waters movie.

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  And she did, um, she didn't do Crank It, which we were, we were sad, but we, she did Dance, she did Brand New Chanel and Beat Up Chanel, and I think that we have a point, counterpoint here. You are a fan of Brand New Chanel, I'm a fan of Beat Up Chanel.

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  Cause I think Brand New Chanel has.

• 16:50Speaker 01

  Fan of both, but.

• 16:51Speaker 02

  I think Brand New Chanel has her best lyric, which can compete with He Want to Fuck Slater, Richard Richard Linklater, which is, he want that head white and blue, if you know what I mean.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  Genius.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. He want that head white and blue.

• 17:07Speaker 02

  Blue balls, just in case people don't get it.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, white cum, blue balls.

• 17:11Speaker 01

  So can I ask a question though? It's like, when, when there's white cum, you no longer have blue balls.

• 17:15Speaker 02

  Well, I think he's good either way.

• 17:17Speaker 01

  Am I right, guys?

• 17:21Speaker 01

  He's good either way.

• 17:22Speaker 02

  You have blue balls and then you have white cum.

• 17:25Speaker 01

  Work.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 17:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do know what you mean.

• 17:29Speaker 02

  I've never gotten blue balls.

• 17:31Speaker 01

  Honey, I always take care of myself.

• 17:35Speaker 01

  Just kidding, I don't know what that was. Okay, so. Wait, wait, wait. I do wanna, so, I just wanna say, you, you think.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  Oh, I love Brand New Chanel.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm a Beat Up Chanel girly, I don't think, and I think Slater agrees with me that it's her best song ever.

• 17:48Speaker 02

  It, she, she will agree that it started off this whole Worst Girl in America, Worst Man in America.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  That chorus is so, and this is the power of that chorus, she goes, I need a cigarette!

• 17:59Speaker 01

  Who's smoking a cigarette right after? Me, my ass, I don't do that.

• 18:03Speaker 02

  Joe Camel could never.

• 18:05Speaker 01

  But, and you wanna know who I go to for cigarettes every time? Mr. Bowen Yang himself, always packing.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  I treated, I treated myself to one, I've been off. No, no, no, I've been off of, I've been off of cigarettes for like, a couple of months now.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  Accountability, get tactile with me. You wanna know my rule? I can smoke weed, I just can't have it in the house. If it's around.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  That's fab.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  Say like being, a doobie being passed around at the cool party.

• 18:29Speaker 02

  Uh-huh.

• 18:29Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? Y'all been at the cool party and there's a doobie being passed around and you can't resist yourself?

• 18:36Speaker 02

  Yes, sir.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  So.

• 18:38Speaker 02

  So, okay, but so I had one as a treat, cause I was like, I'm wearing a truck, I'm wearing like, my white trash, like, drag, I'm buying a pack of cigarettes on, on the way to the Slater concert.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 18:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  Good for you. I'm happy that you indulged in it, because that was, that's creating an immersive world. We spoke with Zara about this.

• 18:56Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:56Speaker 01

  And you laughed, someone laughed, Becca laughed. But the thing, and, and she can laugh.

• 19:00Speaker 02

  Do you think Slater can open a Margaritaville equivalent?

• 19:02Speaker 01

  100%. I think that there is so much world in what she's doing, I actually was appreciating the visuals even more, like, because when we got, walked into the space, there was this area where you could sit and get a photo taken, as if you were Slater, under her like insignia. And I was like, yeah, there's a lot of real visual iconography here and the world, like the, like the sort of trailer park, but like, like glam world of it, like, it is.

• 19:26Speaker 02

  She's a filmmaker.

• 19:27Speaker 01

  I need to see the Halloween Horror Nights Slater haunted house.

• 19:31Speaker 02

  What are they, do you know what the, their, their theming this year?

• 19:34Speaker 01

  I don't know much of the theming, but I will say.

• 19:37Speaker 02

  We got, we have to go next year.

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  So I went, so I go back to LA for this wedding, right? And the day before, I'm kind of like, I kind of don't have much to do. I had gotten done the things I wanted to do, and I realized, oh my god, the Fast and the Furious Hollywood Drift Roller Coaster is open at the theme park that I literally in LA am next to.

• 24:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  And I go, I think I'm going in there by myself.

• 24:41Speaker 02

  You can't fast pass it. You're like, I'm going in. You were raw-dogging Universal.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  I raw-dogged it. I went in, I like, I walk in, I'm by myself. It's 100 degrees in LA. It's been 100 degrees in LA. I said, it's not gonna stop me. I want a cigarette! Vary that.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  So I go in, I get on the line, it's posted at an 80-minute wait time.

• 25:03Speaker 02

  That's not terrible.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Especially because they lie.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  They lie.

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Honestly, if you go to a theme park, this is literally true. Anytime you see the posted wait time, it's at least 3/4 of that. Sometimes even half of that is how long I will be. They try to scare people away from the rides that are gonna get popular so that they can, people can circulate. This is just kind of like theme park know-how.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  Manipulative.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  It's never as scary as you think it's gonna be. So I get on, because I didn't want to do the single rider's line, because oftentimes, single rider's lines, they're like in ugly areas. Like, it was like up against a brick wall.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  You wanted the full queue.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  I wanted to walk through the queue, I wanted to see the little props and stuff. I wanted to see the roller coaster twirl, you know, I wanted to do my thing. Also, I have my phone, so it's like, you know. Are you really waiting?

• 25:47Speaker 02

  You're sad.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  I'm sad. So there's been, before I say how this was, there's been a lot of controversy.

• 25:53Speaker 02

  Because neighbors, including people in your neighborhood.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  Well, not my neighborhood, but apparently it's like, it's people in Toluca Lake. There was even a town hall about this, because it's such a problem. Apparently, there's a certain, like, residential area in that community that every 30 seconds

• 26:12Speaker 02

  They're hearing screams.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  hears the screams of, from the roller coaster, because it's that intense. And apparently, a lot of these people, you know, they work from home. There's one person who apparently does surgery in this area. There's another person who claims they can't record their music anymore, because

• 26:29Speaker 02

  That's tough.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  And it is hard. And by the way, my plan was to do, like, sort of like, on-the-ground work, and I was gonna go do the roller coaster, and then I was gonna go drive into the community and see if I could hear it.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  And look for evidence.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  And search for evidence. So I said, I want to hear the screams.

• 26:42Speaker 02

  I want to hear the screams.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  And I searched for evidence.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  And you were gonna like, do it like an Aaron Brockovich?

• 26:49Speaker 01

  I was. I was gonna be Aaron Brockovich about this.

• 26:51Speaker 02

  That, this is like your data center, PG&E.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  But then I realized, like, what am I gonna do? Like, if I go in there and I don't hear it, I'm gonna come on this podcast and be like, they're lying. It's actually not that bad. Like, no. So, and also, I think it would have been a little weird for me to just drive into this area. I think it might be a gated community.

• 27:09Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 27:10Speaker 01

  If that makes people feel less bad.

• 27:11Speaker 02

  We have a cap on sympathy then.

• 27:13Speaker 01

  No, I'm kidding. So anyway, um, the roller coaster has been controversial.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  For these reasons. And they had to put up a lot of sound barriers, like, to like, stop, block the screams, I guess. They've tried. It is nuts. It reminded me of when we were in Japan and did that flying dinosaur in Jurassic Park.

• 27:34Speaker 02

  The pterodactyl ride?

• 27:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  That one's insane.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  It reminded me of that, because there's, what it does is, it, the cars itself, themselves, drift along the turns, and when it goes upside down, it drifts. So you're literally twisting as you invert.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  I don't like that.

• 27:52Speaker 01

  I've never seen or experienced any sensation like this on a roller coaster. It was amazing.

• 27:58Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  I was bothering the people in Toluca Lake screaming. So I'm so sorry, Toluca.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  That poor, that poor musician.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  I know, I feel bad.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  That poor surgeon.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  Featuring all the screams, all their tracks they make, featuring the screams of guests.

• 28:15Speaker 02

  Screams of guests.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  But it was, it was an amazing roller coaster.

• 28:17Speaker 02

  So did you pop in just to do Hollywood Drift and then pop out?

• 28:20Speaker 01

  Just to do that.

• 28:20Speaker 02

  That's so fun.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  I was like, I'm just going because, I'm, again, I'm the kind of person that like, literally monitors the construction. I'm this kind of person.

• 28:29Speaker 02

  I'm the kind of person.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  I'm the kind of person who tells you what kind of person I am. Um, but yeah, no, it was really good.

• 28:35Speaker 02

  I love that. I can't wait. Well, I don't know about the drifting

• 28:38Speaker 01

  No, you'll love it.

• 28:39Speaker 02

  Down the helix or whatever you're describing.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  And it's four cars that actually are modeled like cars from the Fast and the Furious movies, and they all move differently.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  I'm just gonna need, I don't know. Okay, that sounds great. I will do it. I can't wait.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  You're gonna do it?

• 28:51Speaker 02

  I just, I'm, I'm just gonna need

• 28:54Speaker 01

  I'll take you in January when we're allegedly both there.

• 28:56Speaker 02

  Sure. I just need every ride to be Cosmic Rewind. That's what I've realized.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  You know, it's not dissimilar to Cosmic Rewind in that it's, because the

• 29:06Speaker 02

  Oh, it turns.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  Those cars also drift and twist.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  Okay, great.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  So I guess it's as if

• 29:10Speaker 02

  So then I like it.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're gonna love it.

• 29:12Speaker 02

  But the essential part of Cosmic Rewind is, I've just never felt happier than when September and everybody

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Do you remember?

• 29:19Speaker 02

  By the way, did we talk about the Earthwind and Fire Doc on this?

• 29:22Speaker 01

  No, I haven't seen that.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Fabulous.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  Do you want to speak on Resident Evil?

• 29:25Speaker 02

  Yes, thank you. Well, so then, but before I do that, do you know the themes of the haunted houses for Horror Nights this year?

• 29:31Speaker 01

  I don't know them, but I think that they

• 29:32Speaker 02

  They did Weapons last year, right?

• 29:33Speaker 01

  Yes, I don't think there's another Weapons one. I, I don't want to make shit up, but I do think they are yet again sort of leaning into IP. I think it's all that.

• 29:43Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Classic stuff.

• 29:45Speaker 02

  Classic stuff. Resident Evil, I think this is the path forward for video game adaptations. Because it's an original main character, not, you don't have to go in with any knowledge of the video games. It is about, and the video games themselves are about like improvising through like situations, like, you know, MacGyver-ing things into, you know, weapons, pulling a shotgun off the wall, that's like an iconic. But you don't have to know that, but it just simulates the emotional experience of the video game, which is what these movies never do. Which is what video game movies never do. Like

• 30:23Speaker 02

  I think in the past they've done, I never saw the, the old Resident Evil movies. With Miss Thing, what was her name?

• 30:29Speaker 01

  Uh, Mila Jovovich.

• 30:30Speaker 02

  Mila, yeah, I never saw those. And I'm like a.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  Answered that like a Jeopardy question. Uh, who is Mila Jovovich?

• 30:37Speaker 02

  That's correct. Um, I.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  Matt, you have the board. I just loved that it was about like. Cause of like a video game like that, a survival horror video game like that is about just like.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  Gaining competence, gaining knowledge of the situation, which is exactly what the character arc is. And it just ends in a, in the craziest.

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I heard it's really sad.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  It's, yeah, it's a, I mean, but in like a.

• 31:02Speaker 01

  Jared, Jared left the movie like depressed.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, it's ridic, it's campy. It's like, that's fucking crazy.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:09Speaker 02

  And like the, the last shot is like, wow, okay. They like, he like went for it.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:13Speaker 02

  But.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  That's nuts.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  It was fun and I, I was like, like halfway through the movie, I was like, I think Matt would like this. And then.

• 31:21Speaker 01

  You know what?

• 31:21Speaker 02

  I appreciate. And then it takes a turn and you're like, Matt would hate this.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  Okay. So this, this actually reminds me of something I attempted to watch, which was East of Eden. So I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna, I, first of all, I want to say this. I am a Zoe Kastan. I, I, I love Zoe Kazan. I am a Zoe Kastan. Like I've always like loved this diva's work. I seriously, I'm, I'm in, I'm into her. But John Steinbeck is not like. My favorite thing and these types of movies aren't my favorite or, or series, as it were. It's a Netflix series. So what I ended up doing was I did sort of scroll through and whenever I saw Florence Pugh, I would watch the Pugh. And Mike Feist.

• 32:01Speaker 02

  Oh, sure.

• 32:02Speaker 01

  Like not, not, not to say anything about Christopher Abbott. It just, this was really, wasn't really for me, but I was like, I wanted to see Flo Pugh.

• 32:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 32:08Speaker 01

  My God, she was good in the parts I watched.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  Well, that's one of the most evil characters ever.

• 32:14Speaker 01

  I was sensing that from her. I was like, oh, this bitch is evil.

• 32:18Speaker 02

  She set her house on fire as a child.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  Much more than that. I mean, she's killing, I'm saying everyone.

• 32:23Speaker 02

  She was born.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:25Speaker 02

  Kathy with a C.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Kathy with a C.

• 32:27Speaker 02

  And so that, I mean, if you've read East of Eden, it's like the, the people with the C names are evil. The people with the A names are good.

• 32:31Speaker 01

  Is that true?

• 32:32Speaker 02

  Kane and Abel. It's, it's, it's that. But Kathy is.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  Kathy is.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  Is demon spawn.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  Well, is there anything to the fact that her last name is Ames?

• 32:43Speaker 02

  Oh, well, that's, that's what she married into that name, I believe.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  Oh, I see.

• 32:47Speaker 02

  I haven't, I haven't read East of Eden since.

• 32:49Speaker 01

  High school. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't even read it in high school. With the Steinbeck that we did was of mice and men.

• 32:55Speaker 02

  Don't, don't care for that one. Don't know it. I liked Grapes of Wrath just fine. Canary Row, what a gag.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  But East of Eden is. She's tough. I, I, I have no real desire to watch it as a TV show either.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  Well, that's the thing is I was like, I was like, I want to know like what's going on here. So I actually watched quite a bit of it. Like. Is painted black from East of Eden or was that just like a line they put in the? Is, is, is, there's a, there's a, it's like a point where like, you know, Kathy gets control of the, I guess, I don't know the.

• 33:31Speaker 01

  Whatever they, wherever they are, like this barn that they work on. And she looks in and she goes, painted black. And then painted black plays. And I'm like, is that a line from the novel?

• 33:41Speaker 02

  I'm not sure. I don't remember that.

• 33:42Speaker 01

  Fun Zoe Kazan thing.

• 33:44Speaker 02

  Fun Zoe Kazan.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  As a Kastan, I should know better.

• 33:50Speaker 02

  I, I want to live in that country. Zoe Kastan.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Zoe Kastan.

• 33:55Speaker 02

  I think it makes sense that it's successful and it's.

• 34:00Speaker 02

  It has like the prestige aesthetic of like a Taylor Sheridan thing.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think people love it. I mean, Jared goes, I'm surprised to see it's not doing better with critics. I was like. It isn't 86% on Rotten Tomatoes. And he was like, well, you know, that's, I was like, is it supposed to have like a hundred?

• 34:19Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  I don't know, but I, I will say that Florence is. Pretty fucking amazing in it. And also Mike is so hot.

• 34:27Speaker 02

  Love that.

• 34:27Speaker 01

  He is crazy hot.

• 34:29Speaker 02

  He's coming for my job.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  He is?

• 34:31Speaker 02

  He wants to play.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  Oh yeah. He wants to be Oh Mary.

• 34:33Speaker 02

  He wants to be Oh Mary.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  He wants to be Mary, Mary Todd, Mary Todd Lincoln.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  I went to Ford's Theater. And that's, that's as much research as I did.

• 34:41Speaker 01

  What did you think? What, how did you feel when you stood there and you knew?

• 34:45Speaker 02

  I imagined her running to the theater to spoiler alert. Audition for something.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  Do you think that? Oh, Mary is still something we have to say spoiler alert about?

• 35:00Speaker 02

  I think so. Yes. Well, I personally.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Have to. Well, I think, I think.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  I think I sometimes forget that I've seen it 15 times or something.

• 35:07Speaker 02

  I am always gagged every show when people in the audience gasp at the parts. You know what I mean? I'm like.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:14Speaker 02

  Funny.

• 35:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  Like, but people do agree. I, I think it speaks to like the community, sort of like, you know, like everybody like protected, cause it, cause Cole writes in the. In the sort of the preface to the show, if you want to call it that, they say. The three things are everyone means what they say.

• 35:32Speaker 02

  Protect the surprises from the show and the stakes are incredibly high for everybody. But like protect the surprises is like. A huge pillar of that.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It is interesting to go when you know to watch it a second time. In particular, one character, there's moments in it.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 35:52Speaker 01

  That are a little.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  Deviant.

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Easter eggs.

• 35:55Speaker 02

  Well, um, oh, and quickly I want to say about Resident Evil, the movie is that, um. And I, I believe Zach Cracker did not play a single Resident Evil game, like had no familiarity with.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Really?

• 36:06Speaker 02

  And I think like he like pitched through that point of view, like this is, this is why I'm actually good for this.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, filmically I will.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  Yes. And like, it is, but like, there aren't really that many Easter eggs. There's no like references to the games beyond like the big plot points of like.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  Wrecking City and whatever. Umbrella Corporation, Umbrella Company, whatever. Uh, but anyway. It's, I just found it funny that I went to Ford's Theater and I like walked around DC and like walked past the Lincoln's Memorial and I was like, I'm only thinking of. One of the, like the, the greatest president in history in terms of his wife because of this play that I love.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:42Speaker 02

  It's so funny. I also like. I don't think of him, I think of Mary.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Also like there was a spoiler alert. Actually, no, just cut this part out. It was like, I almost was like, how does it? No, I'm not going to say this, whatever. Go see Oh Mary.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  Go see the, go, go, go see it, go see it.

• 36:56Speaker 01

  Um, speaking of oh, insert a woman's name here.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Housewives. We have not really talked, spoken on Salt Lake City and New York. And I just wanted to say, I'm having fun during Salt Lake.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  I'm having a great time doing so. Why is all my algorithm on like TikTok and threads, oh, perish the thought about like. How awful this season is. I'm like, I'm having a blast.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  I think that we are at a point where everything is bad online, like no, like it's.

• 37:32Speaker 02

  No one's happy.

• 37:32Speaker 01

  I, I think approximately 19 people got canceled last week.

• 37:36Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  I was saying to Melissa on the train up here, I'm like, we were like, I think it's to the point where no one is canceled because everyone is canceled.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  I think that which is what they, which I think like the, the evil people wanted.

• 37:46Speaker 01

  Well, then Trump, then Trump is like, they should bomb the fuck out of Los Angeles. And it's like, maybe we redirect our energy.

• 37:54Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  But anyway, um, to speak on Salt Lake. I think I am understanding Lisa Barlow a lot more.

• 38:05Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 38:06Speaker 01

  That scene in the first episode with her and John.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  When, when like. I don't, I feel like, well, you know what? It's funny because I realized I don't think we see in the many years she's been on this show. I don't think we started seeing like really honest moments of her personal life until recently. You know what I mean? Like, or at least that's like the perception I have.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  Sure. Well, she, I think she keeps it very close to the vest. There's a reason why. She references her lawyers all the time.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  Hmm, that's interesting.

• 38:41Speaker 02

  She's very protective.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:43Speaker 02

  Of her, her being herself, her, her, her moves.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  She'll never be seen without makeup.

• 38:49Speaker 02

  She'll never be seen with, you know, which is an interesting.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  There's a lot of armor.

• 38:53Speaker 02

  There's a lot of armor and Lisa like, drop your weapons.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  I think, I think in, I think in dropping her weapons this season, I think she's actually kind of like. I, I think.

• 39:03Speaker 02

  She's down for shit because I showed you the TikTok that you hadn't seen of her in the clubhouse and Watch What Happens Live clubhouse.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 39:08Speaker 02

  On her knees praying.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  Every single night. I pray that my tits are sitting right.

• 39:14Speaker 02

  And then it cuts out. She's just, she's just lip syncing to Nicole Kidman.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:17Speaker 02

  And, and it works.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  And it works for me.

• 39:20Speaker 02

  And, and I just, we just have to, well, say more about Lisa.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  No, just like I, and then seeing her on the Ultimate Girls Trip.

• 39:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:28Speaker 01

  And.

• 39:29Speaker 02

  She's kind of the winner to you, right? Out of the whole roster.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  Out of the girl's trip roster, Portia is the winner.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  For me, Portia is like.

• 39:36Speaker 02

  No, she's an icon.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  It's, it's really, and also it's so cool to see her in such a like. Actualized place.

• 39:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  Like she's not, she really is. I mean, there was like some documentation of like her anger management that she did for a while. She obviously like. Had a very sort of explosive moment on the show with Kenya all those years ago. And to see her just like. Really, really, really sure of who she is and kind of unbothered in that way. Like there was a scene where like, cause Luann was completely out of control the entire season.

• 40:10Speaker 02

  Lou.

• 40:12Speaker 01

  And I do think it's a little odd that this person that had to literally miss a reunion several years ago to go to rehab. Is like full on back partying on the show, but that's. Her journey. I just think as a viewer, it's a little weird.

• 40:28Speaker 02

  Challenging and I, and I anticipate that for Karen Huger on Potomac this season, but go ahead.

• 40:31Speaker 01

  You think she's drinking, is Karen drinking again on the season?

• 40:34Speaker 02

  I think like it's a really hard path and I feel like if we can extrapolate the way that we've extrapol, we, we can now extrapolate or that we now see with Luann, it's like. She really has to have the intention and I, I feel like hopefully it's there. I'm, I'm just, I'm just conjecturing. I really want the best for Karen.

• 40:50Speaker 01

  I mean, it's all conjecture when it's a reality television program. You know what I mean? Like we're watching this and the narrative of the, of like pretty much the last several episodes of Ultimate Girls Trip. At least amongst the cast was Luann can't stop talking over everyone. When she steamrolls every single situation, eats up all the air in the room and is, you know, like down to fucking party. And it gives.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  It gives to me like the woman is pedaling a little fast. I'll, I'll put it there.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  Being duck vibes.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  She, she's, she's, it's, it's just, there's a lot of energy she suddenly has. You know what I mean?

• 41:30Speaker 02

  Oh, I see.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  So like, I'm just like, is this okay? You know what I mean? Cause it feels a little bit erratic.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  But I love that Portia was like, cause I feel like old Portia would have popped off a lot of times, but Portia was like, you know what? You are, she's like, you are being out of control. She's like, she was just like, you are obnoxious. Like this is the, this is the truth.

• 41:52Speaker 02

  Go Portia.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  And I kind of like, you know, like even, and by the way, just to speak on Potomac and Jersey, which is coming back soon. I'm clean slate vibes.

• 42:02Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  I'm clean slate vibes. And that means everyone has a, has a chance. If people can put things behind them, so can I. I'm going in clean slate vibes. That even means with Giselle.

• 42:14Speaker 02

  Hell hath frozen over.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  Well.

• 42:16Speaker 02

  If I am giving that woman a clean slate.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  I'm giving, I'm giving clean slate. I am. Because the thing is, this show is about conflict and resolution. We have to find that within ourselves.

• 42:26Speaker 02

  And yet there are people who you cannot reason with.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  I would actually count Teresa Giudice among those people. However, after seeing Ultimate Girls Trip, I liked Teresa on the season. I feel like her whole thing is when she like feels attacked and I think the mortal wound of Teresa on New Jersey is that Melissa came on the show without telling her, without asking her or whatever. And in the finale of Ultimate Girls Trip, Andy like soft moderates a conversation between Melissa and Teresa, who are quote unquote, better now. Um, and you see that it's still, it's still not something that Teresa can really let go of. And I just don't want to watch more of them fighting. I, or if, or if it is more of that, it needs to be in a more, in a new dimension.

• 43:13Speaker 02

  As, as you've just said, it is a show about conflict and resolution.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, we must move on. Um, so that's, that's my plan.

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• 47:19Speaker 01

  Stacy Rush?

• 47:19Speaker 02

  No, well, I love Stacy.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  How quickly you abandoned.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  I, I never said Stacy was my number one.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  Okay, go.

• 47:26Speaker 02

  My number one is for all time, Angie Catanavis.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:33Speaker 02

  I think, I don't know, people, people I guess didn't like the whole toothbrush moment in San Francisco when she was handing out toothbrushes.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  Oh, please.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  She was being like a mean girl to, to Khy, but I was like, no, this is funny. This is like Angie with a scroll. This is like Angie with the, the face shield. It's like, this is Angie loves a prop and she loves spectacle with.

• 47:52Speaker 01

  Scroll?

• 47:53Speaker 02

  She loves, like, it's, it's.

• 47:55Speaker 01

  And I love the way she walks through what she's done. Well, Khy, I heard that you.

• 48:01Speaker 02

  Took, took your, took your, your man's toothbrush and rimmed it around the toilet seat.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  So I just thought, why not bring a toothbrush for everyone? Like, it's like, I love the way she lays it on so thick, like as if, I love it. She's perfect. She shouldn't change a thing ever.

• 48:15Speaker 02

  And she, she, she is confiding to people that she is having a tough season and she does not, she, she is sort of bracing herself because you know, she goes through marital problems.

• 48:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  And perhaps she and Mary Mkhadi, who we can speak about, are not on great terms anymore. But I reached out to Angie directly.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  Oh, I read the text.

• 48:37Speaker 02

  The first episode, I was like, Angie, I don't, I know things are a little bit different now in terms of friendships, but I think the way you showed up for Mary in this really hard moment for her speaks to your beautiful humanity. And you're, you're, you're just an incredible person to me. And I know you're having, and I know you're having a hard time right now. I texted her the day that it was reported that she and Sean were getting a divorce. I texted her that day. I go, no need to respond, Angie. Just want you to know, nothing about this changes the fact that you are someone who shows up for family always. And I love you and I'm sending you love. No need to respond. She responds two weeks later. She goes, I'm finally coming up for air. I love you, Bowen.

• 49:20Speaker 02

  I'm back to school shopping with Elektra. I'm like, Angie!

• 49:25Speaker 01

  We love her.

• 49:26Speaker 02

  I love you!

• 49:27Speaker 01

  Honestly, you guys are such a love story that I, that I think about.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  Well, cause you know, cause I went, cause I.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  Y'all are the opposite of East of Eden.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  It's the opposite of East of Eden, but she has, and she has an A name and I have a B name.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  But I, I went into, cause I was her first watch What Happens Live co-host.

• 49:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  That was when she was early days and I was like, I don't know about this, and this.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  People didn't know about Angie K.

• 49:54Speaker 02

  About Angie K.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  Because she had a weird first season as a friend of.

• 49:56Speaker 02

  I love, and I, and I still love Meredith. I love Meredith Marks down.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  You need Meredith.

• 50:01Speaker 02

  You need Meredith. And she, and you know, she was really getting Meredith's, grinding Meredith's gears. And I was like, I need to, you know, my loyalty is staying with Meredith. And the way she was so vulnerable with me and so nervous about it being her first, like, you know, watch What Happens Live appearance.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  I was like, oh my God.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  We love you.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  I was like, I can't help but love you, this person.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  Also, like, my favorite thing, I mean, when, when we did the culture awards the first year, we're just showing up to the hotel and just Heather Gay and Angie Catanavis coming in like, like.

• 50:32Speaker 02

  Fresh off, fresh on the airport.

• 50:34Speaker 01

  Fire. Just like, oh my God, we're so excited, et cetera. But I do want to say something to Heather Gay.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  All right. Former guest of the show.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  I think that Heather is one of my favorites forever. I love Heather. And, and there's ups and downs, but I think there's also ups and downs with humans. So it's okay.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 50:52Speaker 01

  I think Heather needs to realize she is now the big dog.

• 50:55Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  Heather is, I think Heather for a very long time has probably felt like.

• 51:01Speaker 02

  Underdoggy.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  Underdoggy and someone like Lisa Barlow could bully her. That can't happen anymore. Like, I think that unfortunately, the roles, or fortunately, depending on how you just look at it, like the Ultimate Girls Trip stuff and the way that Heather came in being like, I feel bad. Like, it's giving a little bit like alpha behavior without maybe realizing it. I don't think that Heather is anywhere close to an underdog anymore.

• 51:29Speaker 02

  No, I don't think so. And it's, it's behavioral and relational shifts in status.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:36Speaker 02

  That like, we can all see plainly.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I think.

• 51:40Speaker 02

  Maybe she's not aware of herself.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that, and I think that like. It's, it's, it's just, it's gotta be weird when that's sort of been like a narrative for you is like, I am the, I am a person who has been unsung my entire life. I am finally learning. And then you get like the fans all kind of like pick you as like, you know, the center of the show, et cetera. And, cause I, it was rough for Lisa Barlow the first couple of seasons. I remember that first reunion, like that the first two seasons. It was like, she clearly expected it to go a different way and to be the fan favorite. And she would ultimately become, I think they're all fan favorites at this point.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  This is what happens when you get the Rihanna follow.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  Literally.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  Heather got the Rihanna follow, season one. Um, I agree with you about Heather. Love Meredith. Her face looks amazing. The eyebrows are, are blocky. And I don't mean that in, you know, and, and, and I'm just saying they're literally blocks.

• 52:38Speaker 01

  I loved when Whitney goes.

• 52:40Speaker 04

  I feel like it's amazing that Meredith is telling us about her new face and her wig.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  Oh, not a wig.

• 52:46Speaker 02

  Not a wig.

• 52:46Speaker 04

  Not a wig?

• 52:47Speaker 02

  No, no, no, the producer goes, she hasn't told anyone, she, she hasn't said that it's a wig.

• 52:53Speaker 02

  Whitney being Whitney.

• 52:55Speaker 01

  I gotta say, I have a lot of grace for Whitney.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  I love Whitney. I love, I love every single person on that cast.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 52:59Speaker 02

  Bronwyn is chafing me a little bit because the lies are like a little bit more plain this season. And I still love her and I've come a long way with Bronwyn.

• 53:06Speaker 01

  I really appreciate Bronwyn.

• 53:07Speaker 02

  I appreciate Bronwyn and I'm happy she's on this journey.

• 53:10Speaker 01

  Center snowflake.

• 53:11Speaker 02

  And Qui, a lot of promise. I'm, I'm very passionate with Qui. Maryam Cosby.

• 53:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:17Speaker 01

  Do you remember how ahead of the curve we were? When our second day of culture on our Christmas episodes was Maryam Cosby hits the world stage. We, that was only after the first season of, of Salt Lake.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  That was 2020.

• 53:29Speaker 01

  Sometimes, every time, we get it right.

• 53:38Speaker 02

  Period. Let's move over to Rony.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love Rony this year.

• 53:42Speaker 02

  Well, I think the new.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 53:44Speaker 02

  I think the new girls are.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, stronger.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  So strong. I feel like Jessel, I think, doesn't, everyone's saying she's the new Ramona or Sonia where she's just clueless and ditzy. I think, I think it's missing something. I think Jessel just doesn't know anything about anything in a way that's like a little, and, and, and then it's like, you know, classist in her way, pretty overtly where I'm like, all right, like you got, you gotta balance it out with some other charm.

• 54:08Speaker 01

  It was like her elitism and ignorance were sort of the thing that established her character. But now it kind of just becomes like, do you care about anyone else? You know what I mean? There is that vibe and like for her to be.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  To be so double down on the Carol and Bissette thing. It's like, babe, cut it out.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  I gotta say, like, and so it's, it's the Carol and Bissette thing, right? And it's also like the Epstein thing. Apparently Si like kind of goes in on Carol later in the season about Epstein. And my thing is like, when you're saying that, what are you saying? Like, what is the insinuation there that Carol is like, was involved? That Carol knew and didn't do anything? Like when you're saying like you knew Epstein on this reality show. Like, okay, yes, it's a, it's a fact.

• 54:54Speaker 02

  It's incendiary. I think that's all, I don't think Si is thinking ahead. Cause I don't, I don't know. I don't. I don't think Si like has that sort of presence to really like chart her course on this show. I don't think she knows what her place is.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  I think, I honestly think, well, well, it was funny because her first episode was literally her being like, so the first two seasons have pretty much everything I've been telling you is fraud.

• 55:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 55:21Speaker 01

  Like, my husband is not retired. He just doesn't work. I was attacking Jessel because I was jealous, et cetera. So it's like, when you establish that you are someone who is not truthful. Or, and, and that again, becomes like a grounding thing in your character. Of course, I obviously know her life must've been difficult because she was in love with this man and had kids with this man. Who was just kind of like, wasn't putting effort into any aspect of his life.

• 55:49Speaker 02

  Right. And she's, and she's the breadwinner.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  And she's the breadwinner. Obviously that's frustrating. And then you get this opportunity and you're not just gonna say that. But you, you kind of like built a whole thing around attacking other people's marriages. So for you to now say, hey, it's just because mine was a total sham. It's like, well, we can't necessarily trust anything else that you say.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:12Speaker 01

  Or that you're attacking people in good faith. So when she whips out Epstein, which I have such a problem with people just cavalierly whipping that around, like it's not going to trigger the many women and gay men that like watch this shit. Like, what are you saying when you say that?

• 56:29Speaker 02

  I think maybe to give her benefit of doubt, it's like,

• 56:35Speaker 02

  Carol has this like proximity to like billionaire class, old money.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 56:40Speaker 02

  Like, which, fine, but like.

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Do you think that's what Si is arguing? I don't. I think she'd wanted to say something explosive on a reality show.

• 56:48Speaker 02

  Which is.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  Also, it hasn't happened yet. It's just the buzz that I hear. I know it gets brought up.

• 56:52Speaker 02

  Right. But with Si, Erin and Jessel, it's like, they are all three of them kind of flailing a bit. Like Erin going after, um, Haley.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  Oh, that was really uncalled for.

• 57:03Speaker 02

  I'm like, you guys.

• 57:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. Also obsessed with her.

• 57:07Speaker 02

  I love Haley. Oh, ah, yeah. I'm obsessed with Daisy.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  Love Daisy.

• 57:12Speaker 02

  I just love that. Just a green flag that she has like, like an Asian husband.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  Literally, I was like, I was like, I love Daisy. And that was the first thing you said. And I was just like, that? Like, the mark the steward of it all. Also like, the, the, you know, where she had her seder.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  Fabulous.

• 57:30Speaker 01

  Oh, yes. Felt very like old Rony to me. You know what I mean? And it felt like, it felt to me like, oh yeah, we're like, you know, we're at like an authentic, it felt very New York.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  She's a New York girl.

• 57:42Speaker 01

  It's so real that we were just missing the humor.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  Absolute, like they, they weren't funny.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  No, you know what? Like I will give them this. I think that Erin is a good talking head. I think she, I, she was walking down the street like complaining to her husband and I was laughing. Because I was like, her first scene in the show was like, I don't know what the fuck. And then I was like, that is how a New York woman talks to her husband on the phone. All right, love you. Bye. You know what I mean? Like that I get. So I allegedly, I'm laughing because I feel like I understand it.

• 58:11Speaker 02

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 58:12Speaker 01

  For me, it's like the strongest are.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  The new girls.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  The new girls and Carol.

• 58:17Speaker 02

  Carol immediately establishing.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  Immediately the star.

• 58:19Speaker 02

  The star. Um, love that she's, that she's teaching the masses about sort of switching sides and parking.

• 58:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, New York shit.

• 58:27Speaker 02

  That's New York shit.

• 58:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, and honestly, just pretty much everything about, and it's not even that. I think she hearkens back to the old Rony. You know what I loved? That was when she, when she said to Erin, like, you're not gonna get sympathy from me.

• 58:41Speaker 02

  Love that.

• 58:41Speaker 01

  She was like, that was crazy what you did.

• 58:43Speaker 02

  Also, they needed to stop talking at that gala during the auction.

• 58:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:48Speaker 02

  Like, quiet.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's time for quiet.

• 58:50Speaker 02

  It's time for quiet. Um, no, I just, yeah, I just think the three sort of middle girls in the sandwich, women, housewives in the sandwich are like, just, they're, they're just doing too much. And Jessel.

• 59:04Speaker 01

  It's just getting a little old.

• 59:05Speaker 02

  I'm just, I just don't, I need something compelling to watch in the story. And if she can't provide that, then that's too bad.

• 59:15Speaker 01

  She's done it so many times too.

• 59:17Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, but then even like the stuff with her husband, I'm like, okay, so this guy is ex-tech bro who was always a little grating.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  Oh, he's, he's iffy in terms of like.

• 59:31Speaker 02

  Really tough for me. I don't know.

• 59:34Speaker 01

  He's like an Elon stan.

• 59:36Speaker 02

  Right. And, but now he wants to like transition to like food influencing, restaurant. I'm like, this is just.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  I don't think any of these women's husbands really work.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  Did anyone think that maybe that's why they're on the show?

• 59:49Speaker 02

  I mean, who knows?

• 59:50Speaker 01

  I mean, like at a certain point, it's like, the dominoes just fall.

• 59:55Speaker 02

  The dominoes just fall. I don't know. Yeah. Erin, yeah. What does Abe do?

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Is he a, is he a lawyer?

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  I don't know. I just, those are, those are my ready thoughts. Okay. What else?

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  Okay. I was gonna go see Verity, right?

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  Then I go on, then I go on Instagram. Immediately the twist is spoiled. I don't know how someone just got like into the theater, literally recorded.

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  I'm saying, audience behavior is.

• 1:00:21Speaker 01

  And then I thought, maybe that's way bigger of a reason why the box office is, and, and that movie did well. I mean, it got number one, but for example, um, I, I probably could've done better. Like I probably would've gone to the theater to go see it if it wasn't ruined for me just scrolling. There's a moment at the end where it kind of reveals something about Anne Hathaway's character, Verity. And like, I knew this because I was aware of the book, but when I saw it, I was just like, ah. I, I already didn't have a lot of time and I was like, I don't know. Now I just like literally saw the climax of the movie.

• 1:00:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  And then I thought, like, it sort of goes hand in hand with marketing, right? It's like, cause then I was thinking about Digger.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  So, I didn't know this movie cost almost a hundred and eighty million dollars.

• 1:01:12Speaker 02

  It stands to, yeah, lose a hundred and fifty. Yeah.

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  Because it made only eight million dollars. I get it. I guess it's opening weekend. And then I thought, who actually thought that this like, sort of?

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  Experimental movie about climate change like by Iniaritu, who's like a very challenging filmmaker, like obviously a decorated filmmaker, but not necessarily known for big box office. I don't think a general population really knows his name. It's not like that.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  All chips were in on just it being Tom Cruise.

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  Right, but there's something different about Tom Cruise as a draw. When you've completely covered him in prosthetics and put him in a challenging film.

• 1:01:57Speaker 02

  And marketed the film in a way that is like.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  See for yourself. We know our reviews are are are mid, but see for yourself.

• 1:02:04Speaker 02

  It's not what you think it is. And then you go and it's like, oh, wait, why did this cost? Why a political satire should not cost more than, I'm gonna say, 20 generously 30 million.

• 1:02:16Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, does anyone think it's weird that a political satire about climate change costs 180 million dollars? What are we talking about? And then it pisses me off even more because like they consider everything else a fucking risk.

• 1:02:32Speaker 02

  Well, the execs who are allegedly professionals at assessing risk are people who see Digger as something that is like a sure thing. Because it's like, I don't know.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  How could you ever think that?

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  It's it's because not to not to make it about this, but it is about like the makeup of those execs being like mostly white and male.

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  A hundred percent. And that's and my other thing is like, I remember a few years ago when Corey Jefferson won the Oscar for American Fiction. He was like, please make 10 movies for 10 million dollars instead of one for 100 million dollars. And you will see, and that has proven true time and time again. And this is an actual, this is another Oscar winner that I guess we're disregarding for whatever reasons you just want to disregard him.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  Inari to you mean?

• 1:03:21Speaker 01

  No, Corey Jefferson.

• 1:03:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? He's like an incredible filmmaker with a better point than anyone made at that show. Anyone has made probably the best Oscar speech. I would say that and Michaela Cole's Emmy speech.

• 1:03:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  Were like the best speeches I've seen actually speaking to issues regarding art and commerce and the human spirit and the way you refuel and the way you put things out there in the world. And then like, I just can't get over that it's about climate change and costs that much money. It's insane.

• 1:03:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, tough. And it was supposed to be and like just, yeah, Tom's had a tough year, I would say.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  What else happened with Tom?

• 1:04:01Speaker 02

  I just think the GQ spread was like much.

• 1:04:05Speaker 01

  Align. See, that's the thing too, is it's like, if you're gonna put your lead actor out there, like PR should be looking at what he's doing and wonder, does this track?

• 1:04:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like unfortunately for Tom Cruise, he now has a very, let's call it a very polarizing reputation. So perchance people are not seeing Top Gun Maverick because of Tom Cruise. They're seeing it because it's Top Gun and it got incredible reviews and it's a nostalgia thing.

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  Which can still work.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  And it has this new crop, it has this new crop of stars.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  Exactly. It had Glenn Powell, it had, I believe, not, I don't think people were going for these other people.

• 1:04:43Speaker 02

  But I was like, yeah, you know, you get the younger people to go, oh, like they who don't care for Tom Cruise, but who go, oh, yeah, that guy from that movie like it's.

• 1:04:52Speaker 01

  I just wonder like they let Inari to make this movie. He's obviously got two best director Oscar wins. He's an extremely talented person, but it feels like way too big a swing to make any sense at all. And yet.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  And and who is going to be punished for this?

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  I, yeah.

• 1:05:13Speaker 02

  I think.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  Anyone that wants to do something different, I think.

• 1:05:16Speaker 02

  I know. That's what's scary. And then and we're and we're recording this on the day that the Paramount Warner Brothers deal closed. And I'm like.

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

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• 1:05:27Speaker 02

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• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  You hear about Gypsy Rose?

• 1:09:34Speaker 02

  I certainly did.

• 1:09:37Speaker 02

  I certainly.

• 1:09:38Speaker 01

  That's spooky for me.

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  I, I have fear.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  Very afraid of her.

• 1:09:45Speaker 02

  Very afraid of.

• 1:09:47Speaker 01

  Very afraid of her.

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  And why didn't we put this pastor? Because this is a girl who killed her mother like.

• 1:09:53Speaker 01

  Flat out killed her mom. Flat out killed her mom and then was like invited on the view, was invited on the view almost like, hey, how are you guys? It's amazing to see you guys. Like on every show like smiling, be like, I have a boyfriend. I'm pregnant.

• 1:10:10Speaker 02

  This is like, I'm a killer who had. The proxy is weird in the Munchausen's by proxy. The proxy is iffy on that. It's like she's, she's, she's absorbed something truly terrible in life.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  I can't imagine. And did you see the video of like, I guess she got upset with her?

• 1:10:35Speaker 02

  With the.

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  With her partner who's now dead.

• 1:10:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:10:37Speaker 01

  Um, she was like upset with him and she recorded a video of herself like cutting up his blanket. And she was screaming, this person is not well.

• 1:10:46Speaker 02

  Blank space.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  Very blank space coded.

• 1:10:49Speaker 02

  Um.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  Which is, which means that you're, which means you're dealing with a dangerous person. And that's real culture number eight. If someone is blank space coded, it means you are dealing with a dangerous person.

• 1:11:00Speaker 02

  I want to quickly shout out two true crime things that I've gotten into that were mostly just bleak. I think I'm, I've hit a ceiling with true crime. It used to be a thing I could reliably watch.

• 1:11:11Speaker 01

  So long ago, yeah.

• 1:11:12Speaker 02

  The Widower on Netflix bummed me out. Oh, and the Killing of the Pastor's Wife bummed me out. And um, A Killer Story on HBO bumped me out. I'm no longer finding it juicy.

• 1:11:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that, well, there's, there's reaching critical mass. There's just like, at a certain point too, I think you've kind of seen the best of a genre for now. You know what I mean?

• 1:11:34Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  It's like.

• 1:11:35Speaker 02

  What was the best?

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  Best true crime? I mean, the jinx.

• 1:11:39Speaker 02

  Oh, absolutely. And I want to say Gill go beach killer, Long Island, Long Island serial.

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  Well, you know, that was close to my heart.

• 1:11:45Speaker 02

  But you've never seen the films that were made about it?

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  No, I can't watch all that. I lived it. I was killed by the Gill go beach murderer.

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  I'm so sorry.

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. I'm a ghost. Pathetic ghost.

• 1:11:55Speaker 02

  Pathetic, okay.

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  Um, wait, I want to just want to say, I want to shout out everyone in this room. I want to shout out you.

• 1:12:01Speaker 02

  I want to shout out you.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  I want to shout out the readers, Katie's publicist and finalist and Kyle's because this is a first, Lost Culture has been shortlisted.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  I love being shortlisted.

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  We are shortlisted. We are in the top 30. I think there'll be five nominees for a Golden Globe for best podcast.

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  Which look.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  Thank, yeah. Clap for yourselves. Clap if you think they should suffer.

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  Clap if you think they should suffer.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  And get snubbed. I wanted to walk through all the nominees and say why we should beat them. Because by the, I think we should play dirty for this. I think we should campaign. I think we should. I think it was like, this is a rumor, but I think Tobey Maguire years ago sent them all DVD players, or Leo did on his behalf. Sharon Stone like threw him a birthday party.

• 1:12:44Speaker 02

  HPA no longer exists, but.

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  But people like to be bribed.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  But people like to be bribed.

• 1:12:48Speaker 01

  So that's later, but for now, okay, here's the other podcast. Bad Friends. This is the one with Bobby Lee and Andrew Santino.

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  Right. Well, we do, we do a fun, gayer version of that.

• 1:12:59Speaker 01

  We're like a queer version of that without, you know, all the, the manosphere Jason stuff. Exactly. I mean, you know, funny story. I had an audition with Andrew Santino, like a chemistry read, and we had a lot of chemistry.

• 1:13:11Speaker 02

  He's, I'm sure he's a great actor.

• 1:13:12Speaker 01

  And then he goes to me, he goes to me after, that was actually good.

• 1:13:17Speaker 01

  I was like, I could say the same thing.

• 1:13:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:19Speaker 01

  Um, Behind the Bastards, I don't know what that is.

• 1:13:21Speaker 02

  Not sure.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  Does anyone know what that is? What is that?

• 1:13:24Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:13:25Speaker 01

  It's a, it's an iHeart podcast? Boo, fuck them.

• 1:13:29Speaker 02

  Fuck iHeart.

• 1:13:30Speaker 01

  You do that podcast? You're a multiple shortlisted nominee.

• 1:13:33Speaker 02

  Congratulations.

• 1:13:34Speaker 01

  Do you like them better than us? They don't know who you are.

• 1:13:37Speaker 05

  They know who I am, but.

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  No, no, but, but they don't know.

• 1:13:39Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like you guys.

• 1:13:41Speaker 01

  Okay. So that means they're out.

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  They're out.

• 1:13:44Speaker 01

  Great. Call Her Daddy.

• 1:13:46Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  Is it, I, I want to remind everyone, she runs a toxic company. Right?

• 1:13:51Speaker 02

  Called Unwell.

• 1:13:52Speaker 01

  I don't even know if it's true. I just want to remind everyone for the campaigns of purpose.

• 1:13:56Speaker 02

  Your, your team Alex Earl.

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  Sure. Because of Golden Globes, yes. Because of Golden Globes, I want to remind everyone that Call Her Daddy is at a toxic company.

• 1:14:04Speaker 02

  No, we love you. We love you, girl.

• 1:14:08Speaker 01

  Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend. Well, he doesn't need a Golden Globe.

• 1:14:11Speaker 02

  He doesn't need a Golden Globe.

• 1:14:12Speaker 01

  We need it more.

• 1:14:13Speaker 02

  He's been much acclaimed.

• 1:14:15Speaker 01

  Crime Junkie. As you said, true crime is over.

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  We're done.

• 1:14:19Speaker 01

  So Dateline NBC, kind of same thing.

• 1:14:20Speaker 02

  No. I, I, yeah. And, and they're the ones who did To Catch a Predator.

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  So they're responsible for it.

• 1:14:26Speaker 02

  They're responsible for Chris Hansen.

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  And his bad behavior.

• 1:14:30Speaker 01

  This one. Good Hang with Amy Poehler.

• 1:14:32Speaker 02

  Actually, I have a bone to pick.

• 1:14:34Speaker 01

  You know what I'll say? We invented sycophantically laughing at everything a celebrity says. We invented sitting down with an extremely famous person and being like, ha, ha, ha, ha.

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  Also, we were, we were booked for, and then.

• 1:14:47Speaker 01

  Well, we, we, we, we had to reschedule.

• 1:14:50Speaker 02

  I think, I think they had to reschedule.

• 1:14:51Speaker 01

  I think they had to reschedule, and then on the rescheduled date, we had to reschedule.

• 1:14:55Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:14:55Speaker 01

  She won last year.

• 1:14:56Speaker 02

  She won last year.

• 1:14:57Speaker 01

  Listen, Amy Poehler invented us. We invented Good Hang. Sorry. That's, and she would say it.

• 1:15:03Speaker 02

  No, she wouldn't.

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:15:04Speaker 02

  But she did reference us on the first episode.

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  Cause authenticity is dangerous and expensive.

• 1:15:07Speaker 02

  She referenced us the first episode.

• 1:15:10Speaker 01

  So she should give us her Golden Globe from last year. Give us her Golden Globe from last year.

• 1:15:14Speaker 02

  We're beeping with Amy.

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's officially a beef. Love Trapped, what is that? Is that iHeart too?

• 1:15:19Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:15:20Speaker 01

  I don't know who they are. Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast. How about Matt and Bowen's Very Public Podcast? Fuck you guys. Morbid, sounds.

• 1:15:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:15:32Speaker 01

  Okay, so fuck that.

• 1:15:33Speaker 02

  Morbid sounds like another true crimey thing.

• 1:15:34Speaker 01

  Why are there, the true crimes have to cancel each other out here.

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  We're the only originals on this list. Um, Mr. Ballin Podcast, Strange, Dark and Mysterious Stories.

• 1:15:44Speaker 02

  Okay, it sounds, it sounds true crimey again.

• 1:15:46Speaker 01

  Sounds redundant. My Favorite Murderer with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hartstark.

• 1:15:51Speaker 02

  We love, I mean, but.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  Love them, respect them.

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  Love and respect.

• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  It's true crime.

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  It's true crime.

• 1:15:56Speaker 01

  Can't, can't, can't abide.

• 1:15:57Speaker 02

  We're done.

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  New Heights with Jason and Travis Kelce. I haven't heard of this one. I have.

• 1:16:02Speaker 02

  Not sure.

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  I don't think. They seem like.

• 1:16:05Speaker 02

  Two, two gay people of color to me.

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I hope they win.

• 1:16:10Speaker 02

  I hope they win.

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  Um, Pardon My Take. Then, then fucking stand by what you have to say.

• 1:16:16Speaker 02

  Stand by it. Don't pardon.

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  You don't deserve this. Pod Save America? Yeah, not yet.

• 1:16:22Speaker 02

  You didn't do it. You lost.

• 1:16:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, tough one. But yeah, go Gavin Newsom.

• 1:16:29Speaker 02

  Ah!

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  Anyways, um, Revisionist History.

• 1:16:34Speaker 02

  Well, how about Revisionist Now?

• 1:16:38Speaker 01

  Is that iHeart?

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  Malcolm Gladwell?

• 1:16:42Speaker 02

  Malcolm. Uh, we've done 10,000 hours, Malcolm. We deserve the award more than you.

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  Exactly. Get out of here. Get lost. Rotten Mango? That sounds disgusting.

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  Disgusting.

• 1:16:51Speaker 01

  It's horrible.

• 1:16:52Speaker 02

  Flies.

• 1:16:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. Smartless.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  Sure. We invented co-hosts talking to each other.

• 1:17:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. We did. Stuff You Should Know. I should know what this podcast is if it's gonna be nominated.

• 1:17:08Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:17:09Speaker 06

  It's one of our biggest podcasts on the.

• 1:17:10Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  It's one of your biggest podcasts on the.

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  I've been listening to Stuff You Should Know for, for years.

• 1:17:14Speaker 01

  You've listened to Stuff You Should Know for years? Who is that?

• 1:17:17Speaker 06

  It's like a very, very old podcast.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  So you guys are telling me it's very old and very popular?

• 1:17:23Speaker 02

  But so are we. So are we.

• 1:17:24Speaker 01

  So are we.

• 1:17:25Speaker 06

  It has over a billion downloads.

• 1:17:26Speaker 01

  Has over a billion downloads? Then they don't need a Golden Globe.

• 1:17:30Speaker 02

  They don't need a Golden Globe.

• 1:17:32Speaker 01

  The Bill Simmons Podcast. Who is Bill Simmons?

• 1:17:36Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 1:17:37Speaker 01

  The Daily. Yeah, I'm feeling like shit daily from listening to this podcast. The Joe Rogan Experience. Yeah, this is a great idea. This isn't a good idea.

• 1:17:47Speaker 02

  Michael, Michael Barbaro Go On Video Challenge.

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  How about that? How come The Daily doesn't have to be video and we do?

• 1:17:54Speaker 02

  How come they don't, they don't need a set?

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  We have to be video. They don't.

• 1:17:59Speaker 02

  They don't.

• 1:17:59Speaker 01

  Joe Rogan Experience.

• 1:18:03Speaker 02

  Who's that?

• 1:18:04Speaker 01

  I just. Yeah, I guess give him a Golden Globe. You know what I mean? Like.

• 1:18:09Speaker 02

  That'll, that'll be, that'll be good vibes.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  That'll be real, that'll be really good. Speaking of good vibes, The Megyn Kelly Show.

• 1:18:13Speaker 02

  Oh, Aura Queen.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  Literally best vibe hands down. I just want to read something, uh, Megyn Kelly just said about Olivia Rodrigo when she stuck up for the, for the Cornell victim. Olivia, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Shut up and stick to singing. I liked you better when you were in front of a microphone singing your weird little depressing songs. It's better to keep your mouth shut and let people suspect you're an idiot than to open it and prove them right. Be quiet, go away, see you at your concert.

• 1:18:44Speaker 02

  So she's going to the concert?

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. No, she was probably just being hilarious like she always is.

• 1:18:51Speaker 02

  Megan, so funny.

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  She's such a fucking hypocrite and she's so nasty.

• 1:18:56Speaker 02

  Wait, isn't it, isn't it incredible that Megyn Kelly's radicalization happened because of Luann?

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  Oh, oh my God. Yeah, yeah. Countess Luann did blackface.

• 1:19:09Speaker 02

  Megyn Kelly was taken off the air from Today, from the Today Show block because Meghan didn't see what was wrong with Luann dressing up as Diana Ross and going in blackface for Halloween.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  And that was the downfall of Megyn Kelly.

• 1:19:22Speaker 02

  And that was the downfall.

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  Who, by the way, would absolutely have stayed at NBC had they allowed her to. So to now be like, you know, taking down the mainstream media, which like, she wasn't a part of it for years, you're now like, yeah, Fox News is, is bought and paid for or whatever. So you were bought and paid for forever? And then you just moved to another network where you were bought and paid for? Like, the only reason you're not bought and paid for now is because you got kicked out of those industries because of a litany of reasons. You would still be there if that was still the way.

• 1:19:51Speaker 02

  It's Darbo shit. It's, anyway.

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  The Mel Robbins.

• 1:19:55Speaker 02

  Deny, Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender. Okay.

• 1:19:57Speaker 01

  Also, she like dragged the, the Golden Globes last year.

• 1:20:00Speaker 02

  Mel Robbins?

• 1:20:01Speaker 01

  No, Megyn Kelly dragged the Golden Globes last year for even shortlisting her the first time. So I don't know why they would shortlist her again. She called you guys anything but a child of God.

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  Um, Mel Robbins.

• 1:20:14Speaker 02

  Mel Robbins. Well, that's tough. Grifter.

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  Jeez. Um, Sean Ryan Show. I don't know who that is.

• 1:20:23Speaker 02

  Don't know.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  The Toast. I actually like The Toast.

• 1:20:25Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:20:27Speaker 01

  Tucker Carlson Show.

• 1:20:28Speaker 02

  Love that guy.

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  I actually like the Tucker Carlson Show. Absolute shapeshifter, does whatever he needs to do to gain favor. I think if we are as dumb as we've proven to be, that we'll probably elect him president. This American Life, they should win.

• 1:20:42Speaker 02

  Oh, wait, This American Life should win.

• 1:20:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. This Past Weekend with Theo Von.

• 1:20:47Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:20:48Speaker 01

  Oh. That is, that is the sound you make, like, to get Theo Von's podcast across.

• 1:20:54Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:20:55Speaker 01

  Guess I thought about it different.

• 1:20:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:20:58Speaker 01

  Uh, anyway.

• 1:20:58Speaker 02

  We should win. Come on.

• 1:21:00Speaker 01

  I mean, like, well, not that it's a voting thing, but we obviously deserve to win.

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  Listen, I don't need it.

• 1:21:07Speaker 01

  We don't need it. We need, we need food, water and shelter.

• 1:21:09Speaker 02

  We need food, water and shelter and a care team.

• 1:21:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:14Speaker 02

  I'm just saying like, you know, someone who cuts our hair, someone who, you know.

• 1:21:18Speaker 01

  We don't need that.

• 1:21:19Speaker 02

  We don't need that.

• 1:21:20Speaker 01

  You sound out of touch. I'm gonna push back.

• 1:21:23Speaker 02

  Thank you. Uh, we were, we were supposed to do a top five list. I think we're out of time.

• 1:21:26Speaker 01

  We are out of time. We're gonna figure out another, well, that was kind of our.

• 1:21:29Speaker 02

  That was our last.

• 1:21:30Speaker 01

  Top 29 reasons why, why those podcasts should not win.

• 1:21:33Speaker 02

  We're gonna end our culture catch-ups with lists, which we used to do for our bonus episodes, which I thought were some of our best work.

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  Slapped in a half.

• 1:21:40Speaker 02

  There you go. Uh, snapped it in half, but, uh, this has been a lovely culture catch-up.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:44Speaker 02

  See you next week.

• 1:21:45Speaker 01

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